Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo Hoo

One of the best of Old Crow. Nice Friday night song

New Orleans needs your help.. http://www.commongroundrelief.org

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/wars-without-end.html#comment-268810

"Bootlegger & Pimp"?

In other words, he didn't change professions.

On behalf of all Trail Mixers just donated $100 for New Orleans to http://www.commongroundrelief.org

If this org is good enough for Old Crow Medicine Show, it's good enough for me.

Old Crow...first Crawford's List video ever posted.

...some great N'awlins footage...before Katrina
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fRDAsenkik

good memory Dexter, and here it is once again, a recording they made at my Great Uncle John Lair's Renfro Valley Barn Dance in Kentucky, hence my fondness for these guys, they respect my Uncle's contribution to our culture (he was and always will be my mentor).. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM2Ku0lmvWs

a bit more history, if i may, here's my Great Uncle John Lair in action.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYo9sHzCqj0

for those who might be interested, he taught me everything i know about broadcasting. i miss him so much

and he wrote hundreds of songs, some which Bob Dylan stole from him and never gave credit. but Old Crow Medicine Show always has, which is why i like them so much

more Renfro.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5rKfoXj4o

and a little more Renfro.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAhs1Ap2Jw

So that's where Whitey Ford came to the Opry from! Thanks for these clips, Craig. Wonderful stuff.

And thank you for making the donation to Norlins. :)

Very entertaining clips, thanks. Kinda reminds me of Buck Lake Ranch, near Angola, Indiana, 50 plus years ago when I was a little kid.
http://tinyurl.com/yg5w6kk

Here's a YouTube of Buck lake Ranch memories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQwqUj5dy1k

tks Fairweather, we Renfro descendants are a bit grumpy about the Opry, which came much later than the Barn Dance, and stole the show with it's impure theatrics. which is why i have never been to the Opry, and never will ever go. it's a family thing.

oh gosh, i worry i've offended Patsi, but please understand that my bluegrass relatives despise Nashville, and unfortunately i inherited their feelings. Still, i much enjoyed her Garth book.

here's a sample of what goes on at Renfro these days, instead of the Opry's Hollywood crap (sorry Patsi).. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsufkzPmn_M

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn't know of the bad blood betwixt Nashville and Renfro.
However, ...Patsi...well...Craig, you may have started a war !
Nobody knows Nashville like Patsi, and I await her retaliatory volley!

Good photo of Uncle John Lair here:
http://tinyurl.com/yzlgse2

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268828

Uh--Craig, the knobite don't wanna go steppin' on no fam'ly toes but--the Opry started broadcasting in 1925--from several venues prior to the move to the Ryman in 1943--

Having said that, the Opry overdid the hayseed thing badly in its early years (impure theatrics indeed) just as nowadays it's trying to be too slick and uptown. (That AIN'T country, so I guess I owe Patsi an apology too.) I stopped listening to it when the last old-time string bands to appear regularly (the Fruit Jar Drinkers and the Crook Brothers, if I remember right) died off one by one and the survivors weren't allowed by Opry management to hire replacements.

PS I was lucky enough, though, to hear Whitey Ford via WSM several times in his later years. Funny guy. Always loved his sig line. And frequently quote the joke about being born in a barn.

Happy Halloween, y'all--and good night.

well Dex, Nashville kicked our butts and we're still pissed, can't let it go. but the record is utterly clear, Renfro Valley and my Great Uncle John Lair was totally first when it comes to popularizing country music. he produced the first national radio show and the first national telvesion show for country music. And Nashville never once gave him credit for it, which me and my family will never forgive. Which is why i've never been to Nashville and never will go, until that injustice is corrected somehow.

Good night...maybe, someday, if you believe, well, watch this little video by Brad Paisley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Zfx5qra_g&feature=channel

Ah ....
Good tune young skywalker !

Grooving at the spark lab today -

The Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1aMTWdQnzo

" More cowbell " ........

Fairweather, the Opry wasn't nationally broadcast on radio until 1944 -- more than a decade after Renfro. And Renfro was the first on national TV, beginining in the 1950s on CBS.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268836

You need to get a petition started, or some kind of group effort going, to nag the Country Music Association. It's worked in other cases. Groups are still working on getting people like the Wilburn Brothers and others into the Hall of Fame and due recognition, and your great-uncle's long overdue for both.

And should you decide to do so, I'm with you.

The rules have changed today (Hey)
I have no place to stay (Hey)
I'm thinking about the subway (Hey)
My love has flown away (Hey)
My tears have come and gone (Hey)
Oh my Lord, I have to roam (Hey)
I have no home (Hey)
I have no home (Hey)

Now the time has come (Time)
There's no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I've been loved and put aside (Time)
I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)

Hey, Bob!! Missed you lately--

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268840

thanks fairweather, but it's pointless, we've tried. nashville simply will not tolerate any narrative that doesn't glorify its utter bull shit. we kentuckians will just have to be satisfied with producing better bourbon. btw, they don't have blue grass in tennessee.

So, I am learning lessons tonight...where does Branson fit in the mix between Renfro and Nashville?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268843

Ouch--well--

(hangs head and slinks off in shame)

Craig, here's your twitter hook up with Renfro Valley:
http://twitter.com/renfrovalley

Hey Fair -
Been in the greenhouse. Planting Dutch Iris .

Dexter, branson is the nashville of nashville, just more bull shit

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268844

First theaters in Branson were kinda family talent, back in the sixties. The first Nashville type to have a theatre there was Roy Clark in 1983, best I can learn. It sort of became a haven for the older generation of singers (whose careers peaked in the seventies, mostly) after that. I've heard it said, Dex, that among that generation they have a saying: "Whoever's last to leave Nashville for Branson, turn out the lights."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268847

Cool. I love irises no matter what nationality ;)

all i'm saying folks, if u want the real thing, go to where my Uncle John Lair started it all, and where it really still exists without the Hollywood crap -- Renfro Valley, Kentucky.. http://www.renfrovalley.com/

Here ya go kids -

Tears for Fears - Shout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwTrbF9CSs0

" Let it all out ...... "

Renfro Valley, Kentucky..

Sounds like a good place for the blue corn whiskey distillary.

BALLAD OF THUNDER ROAD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRH7FtAAbJE

Steely Dan - Don't Take Me Alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AslDzpaCURs

Thank you, Bob! Awful partial to that "Thunder Road" in these parts.

Aja - Steely Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocfR3CIPFJo

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" Angular banjos sound good to me ....... "

Steely Dan, Pretzel Logic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7z4StXoao

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I would love to tour the Southland
In a traveling minstrel show
Yes I'd love to tour the Southland
In a traveling minstrel show
Yes I'm dying to be a star and make them laugh
Sound just like a record on the phonograph
Those days are gone forever
Over a long time ago, oh yeah

I have never met Napoleon
But I plan to find the time
I have never met Napoleon
But I plan to find the time

John Lee Hooker - The Healer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aFKgi5D6eU

the doors - spanish caravan -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmkOIlHbok

THE SPY - THE DOORS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmKpUyIAqok

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I'm a spy in the house of love.
I know the dream, that you're dreamin' of.
I know the words that you long to hear.
I know your deepest, secret fear.

The Saturday Morning watch has begun !!
I hear the all, Now what will i do?

ping, we got to walk that lonesome valley -- renfro valley that is -- until we convince that no-good nashville gang to acknowledge uncle john and his mighty contribution to what made this hyar country great.

here's some john hurt to get things rolling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GN-BP_Qlk

meanwhile, back on the high seas with the pirates

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/30/somali-pirates-ransom-call-transcript

sorry, that was just the ransom note. here's the story:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/30/somalian-pirates-yacht-couple-hostages

HA! Craig -- many people dislike the Nashville experience. Including me if we're talking about the music "business." On the other hand, it's where I was able to hang out with and become friends with Johnny Cash, Loretta Lynn, Mickey Newbury, Chet Atkins, just for starters.

Of course, coming from the "western" experience, I'm carrying a grudge against Nashville for kicking "& western" to the curb and acting like only the country music with Appalachian roots is worth anything...:)

interesting reading.........i will now become a touter of Renfro valley.........i've always thought of nashville as the "Carnival" side of country music.....rife with hucksters and carnies......"Hey RUBE".........you know, like the Coastal Carolina Fair compared to the circus.......

finished the crabfest......good night, only 3 people fell into the stage area......then went up the road to take the 1:30 to 6:30 am shift for the fire under the porker.......100 pounder on a grill over a metal box under a wooden top box ....... take the red coals from the access in the bottom of the fire barrel and shovel them under the beast......should be done around noon..........

i think of fire as god's breath..........

PS -- the Barn Dance broadcast concept was actually born in Texas....Fort Worth...in the early 1920s. (Of course, Txans always take credit for everything, so....)

did texas oil money finance all those country singers who came from texas? seems like there was a period there where all the nashville recording artist biggies were texans.......

All of you Kentucky folks don't happen to have some Dishman or Walters names hanging on the family tree do you? Mine were in the Bowling Green and Daysville areas from the early 1800s on.

y'all might find berea's collection of john lair's papers interesting. can see some resemblence in craig's uncle's picture there.

http://www.berea.edu/hutchinslibrary/specialcollections/saa66.asp

from that berea link:
".....brought him to Chicago in the late 1920s where he became interested in radio. He was able to find work for early Kentucky country music performers such as Red Foley and the duo of Carl and Harty on the WLS National Barn Dance and eventually was employed by WLS as producer, MC, and Music Librarian. He became particularly interested in discovering the real life events upon which old songs were based. In the process he began accumulating a large sheet music collection and gained a reputation as an authority on folk music. He wrote songs of his own as well, including "Take Me Back to Renfro Valley," "Freight Train Blues," "Only One Step More," and "The Man Who Comes Around."

While at WLS, he began thinking of having a radio barn dance program of his own. Instead of another city location, he planned to stage his show in an actual barn in his Rockcastle County home community of Renfro Valley. His first step in this undertaking was moving from WLS to Cincinnati's WLW where he started the Renfro Valley Barn Dance (sound files). While developing a Renfro Valley radio identity on WLW, Lair set about building his Kentucky country music tourist complex that eventually opened in 1939. It included a barn-like auditorium, the one-room log school of his youth, and restored, water driven gristmill....."

Here is the web page for the Rengro Valley Entertainment Center. You can now follow on Twitter when you finished looking over what it has all become.

http://www.renfrovalley.com/

Just realized Craig had already put up the link for Renfro.

Newsom drops out of CA gubernatorial race

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-newsom-out31-2009oct31,0,7017003.story?track=rss

This pretty well hands it to Jerry Brown should he ever get around to declaring. Why anyone would want that job twice is beyond me.

REMINDER

Don't forget to set your clocks back tonight.

Why being gay, getting high, and going to Cuba may soon be legal

http://www.slate.com/id/2234017/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268869

I have heard stories of how Fort Worth was set up to be the "Nashville" but I never heard why it never became "Nashville."

craig, is this the cause of the lair-dylan feud? bob dylan singing "freight train blues"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fawVkzacnpw&feature=fvw

here's a link to same song written by your uncle in 1935, recorded by roy acuff and then later in1939 by hank williams
http://www.metrolyrics.com/hank-williams-version-of-freight-train-blues-lyrics-hank-williams.html

Fort Worth has a clear channel station called WBAP and it went on the air in May of 1922. WBAP and a station in Dallas (WFAA) used to share the same frequency and during the day they would swap the broadcasting duties. The ringing of a cowbell would let everyone know the swap had taken place.

Unfortunately for me WBAP is now a home for RightWingNut talk radio. There is no reason I can see to tune in anymore.

In my frequent trips through TN, to GA, I learned to avoid Nashville and take the Knoxville route instead. However, that meant missing Bowling Green. Sigh.
Bowling Green is beautiful.

Funny, I am a Northerner, who leans toward Cool Jazz, 18th Century Diddle Diddle, some rock from 1953 - 1970, but I've been through all the places mentioned this AM except Branson. They're all lovely, except for Nashville.

I stopped listening to the "Country & Western" streams of music at early Crystal Gayle and early Doug Kershaw, around 30 years ago. Otherwise, I'm more of an Old Timey guy. You can hardly find any of that on the radio dial, what with all the right wing haters, the holier than thou gimmee jimmies, and those slick and whining rhinestone farmboys and gals of modern "Country". God I wish they'd all stop complaining and about how horrible their lives are, and how the-country's-gone-to-the-dogs-but-they-still-honor-the-flag. There's as much alienation in "Country" music as there is in the worst of Emo.

If you're lucky enough to find Old Timey, it'll probably be on some APR of NPR affiliate. When I make long drives, I like to keep the dial tuned in around the Public Radio ghetto.

Some comments about the week. I assure you I can link many mainstream articles that support these summaries.

1. Media here except the NYT filtered out the actual response of the Iranian government. This is a reject. You can read the NYT if you want, but here is a similar report:

http://www2.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6349

Rumor has it Sakorzy is quite upset that Obama does not seem to be making a line in the sand and that Russia has already nixed ANY sanctions after the US BMD was pulled from Eastern Europe.

2. CBO has sent a death blow to Pelosi on her Healthcare mess as predicted. Slate has a good article about how the public option plan presented will raise rates. Read it instead of blasting me. From start to perhaps finish, this strategy is incredibly pathetic. Sad news for those who wanted real reform that lowered cost and covered all.

3. Slate also takes apart the inflated jnumbers about how many jobs were really saved or created by the Stimulus Plan. This will continue to be a story as lower numbers will reveal that each job actually saved cost the US taxpayers more than $200,000 a pop. What a wasteful redistribution.

4. Dems in House are now once again in an ethics mess. Murtha? Why am I not surprised? This will be a coming story Dems will likely try to bury. See Politico if you want more info.

5. The Press also touted Kerry's trip to Kabul last week as a victory of sorts. Really? The administration wanted a coalition government rather than a Taliban destroyed re-run. Now Abdulla want out. This is a mess and at least Bush got Musharraf to offer a political compromiese but the Bhutto got herself killed by stupidity. Now Hillary is scolded for Obama's increased drone attacks as Pakistani public opinion of their government and the US drops to new lows. Meanwhile lack of security made worse by hesitation threatens the coming re-run.

6. Fox appears to have won their battle with the White House and Jarret made me laugh when questioned on CNN. Yes, Stewart was funny too, but boy did he slam MSNBC. Jarret is too biasd to see that. Of course FOX is often more opinion that news, but looking briefly at major media, the same can be said for them. In fact hiding opinion in dubious facts is rather dangerous. At least FOX shows their spin.

7. As I said, Obama CUT defense spending. Already the JSF is going to make up for any savings from ending the Raptor. NASA will likely be forced to end manned space flight. These stories will not die either. Hell, Russia is going to Mars in a nuclear Rocket. We are so being out flanked by China and Russia. And do you include their space programs in their defense spending?

All in all, not a very good week for the Obama administration or Democrats in Congress. They are already playing the election as no reflection on Obama. No wonder many would like to turn the view on Cheney or Bush's speaking tours. Or maybe ACORN can rescue the day. Right now the most news worth items coming from Detroit and Chicago involves terrorists and groupos associated with supporting their cause. I rather doubt however, Holder will dig too deeply. At a time like this, we ought to be investigating the CIA.

Frankly, I don't know what exactly Hillary can say to Netanyahu. In a shrewd move he supports the original enrichment plan by Obama. Perhaps that kiss of death was enough as few believe Iran has peace, non proliferation or even the democracy and human rights in mind as do some of his former clerics. I can only wonder if Larry King read Ahmadinejad's comments today.......

I leave off where I began. Enjoy the day and go Yanks.

around here (DFW) the local NPR station is mostly a talk radio station. I have heard that the station is tooling up to have some eclectic programing on the weekends with old time and modern music all mixed together. As of now, this programing is vapor programing.

Moderate Republican drops out of NY race leaving hard right conservative and Dem in race. The local newspaper had endorsed the moderate saying conservative didn't know the area issues. So how Republican is the area? Will they go for the nutter, stay home, or vote Dem.

Max

Fox shows its spin but they never retract their proven lies or ignorant errors. At least the other two cable stations take it back if and when they totally foul up.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268881

Dooty,

One more cow?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/opinion/31herbert.html?th&emc=th

"Constraining America’s Brightest"

"That period right after college graduation is when young people tend to think they can set the world on fire. Careers are starting, and relationships in the broader world are forming. It’s exciting, and optimism is off the charts.

So the gloomy outlook that this economy is offering so many of America’s brightest young people is not just disconcerting, it’s a cultural shift, a harbinger. “Attention,” as the wife of a fictional salesman once said, “must be paid.”

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/10/30/brooks_krauthammer/index.html

"Real men don't read D.C. pundits"

"Honestly, not a day goes by without something making me think about the fabulous Onion headline the day President Obama was elected: "Black man given nation's worst job." Just like African-Americans got to run the cities when they lost their manufacturing and tax base, Obama got to run the country as the Bush-Cheney recession seemed headed into a depression and the banking system approached collapse at home, all while facing two mismanaged wars and the threat of terror around the world.

He had a lot to complain about, and conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer has had enough. In Friday's Washington Post he called Obama a whiner:

"Is there anything he hasn't blamed George W. Bush for? The economy, global warming, the credit crisis, Middle East stalemate, the deficit, anti-Americanism abroad -- everything but swine flu."

Tony,
in the next paragraph Ms Walsh goes on to say,
"Wow, I look at that list and I think those are all things we should all blame Bush for, except swine flu. But what Krauthammer is really trying to do is elaborate on the Dick Cheney slur from last week: That Obama is "dithering" on Afghanistan, and he's "afraid" to make a decision.

Again, coming from the neocon Iraq war boosters who countenanced the abandonment of the Afghan war to fight a pointless war in Iraq, the criticism is galling. And the idea that the president may have been "dithering" when he went to visit the war dead at Dover Air Force Base this week is offensive. Obama knows what he has to do this week, and it's a good thing he took the time to let the mortal implications of his decisions sink in.

Dooty,

One more cow?

Jamie,

One more cowbell!

maxtrue, by Dem ethics mess, do you mean Rep. Gary Miller (r-CA) and his real estate fiddling ?

For that matter we can even blame Bush for Swine Flu or at least the lack of vaccine given the total undermining by the Bush team of anything to do with science.

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Dooty,
I say the President should continue to blame Bush! Its not a lie, their incompetence is glaring and should continually be talked about..Its bad enough Obama has to clean up their mess..I don't think the President will let the wing nuts influence his decision on Afghanistan,at least i hope not..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268893

Jamie,
Good Point! I say blame Bush,the polls show that American's blame him for the countries mess overwhelmingly..

Obama has made one mistake or at least allowed a mistake to continue. The stimulus money needs to go to jobs and infrastructure. There really needs to be a new CCC or WPA. Our national parks have been neglected for a couple of decades. Scads of rail stock needs upgrading. Solar panels need to be installed and modernizing of the grid. Older homes need insulation.

There are a huge number of jobs that require young, healthy people. Put them to work doing "fix it" until the economy comes back for hiring.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268895

Tony,

They do for now, but the job situation needs to start turning around. It is much worse than the numbers because of people taking huge salary cuts, working multiple jobs, or sending other family members into the work force when possible.

If that condition isn't showing improvement by the end of next summer, the mid year could be bad. If it is improving, then there could be an unprecedented seat gain.

"mid year"

Should read "mid term elections"

More bad news on the environmental front. No likely treaty out of Copenhagen

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6897178.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268894

Tony,

I am with you on this.

Jamie,

"Obama has made one mistake or at least allowed a mistake to continue. The stimulus money needs to go to jobs and infrastructure. There really needs to be a new CCC or WPA. Our national parks have been neglected for a couple of decades. Scads of rail stock needs upgrading. Solar panels need to be installed and modernizing of the grid. Older homes need insulation.

There are a huge number of jobs that require young, healthy people. Put them to work doing "fix it" until the economy comes back for hiring."

I said these things and much more to Warren, and Jack. We talked about it extensivly. When Obama did nothing to help the little people, when all he did was help his Arugula eating Bank Buddies, I told you that he was just another bullshit politician...there are lot good things about him: He is better than almost any Republican would have been, especially McCain. I was proud of a half blk Pres. I still hope to be, but he had not shown me anything: except to continue down the road of GREED.

Chloe, asked me if I am"disillusioned" My answer to her is no: I never had any firm conviction that he would do what he promised..he used all of the same tactics that others did in order to get elected...all of his lobbies t, and corp friends..the Daschle's is when it really became clear to me...and the reason for no U. H. I never expected it since they came on the scene.!!!

What I am, as a minority is very, very disappointed in the missed opportunity to start getting this county in the right direction. I know that he would break most of his promises..but the few big ones that he should have kept..would have helped to heal this country...we are still a very intolerant ignorant country as a whole.....A new direction is needed, so we can get the right people in office...the ones that have the all of the power now, are the ones we keep electing...cos they are not the other one; the other party...so we are still very tribal........and have not progressed very much, other than in technology...just MO.

just MO that is

Sturge -- I think oil money may have financed a few (Don't know for sure but Clink Black came to town with big bucks.)....but I think the reason so many country ssingers came from Texas is that the people there went out to clubs and singers could actually get paid to develop their art.

Dooty -- RE: Fort Worth & Nashville -- just my own theory, but once Nashville had so many recording studios and labels centered here, it could claim the Music City title. It's not a good place for entertainers trying to make a living....

ps,

I talked about all of those things; almost a year ago. Now what is very stupid of him; is to lie about the amount of jobs he has created..all bxs, and people know it...he sounded just like Bush did to me, when he said it. He is on the way to make the D's loose faith in the party, more and more, on top of the ones that already have, that is.... later

NEW POST!!!

maxtrue,
As always, you try to demoralize Dems. It won't work.

I. re your #5, if the President doesn't want to eliminate the taliban, as you say, then how is it that (as you also say) the US has increased drone attacks on the taliban, risking (as you say) angering the Pakis, with whom we want to co-ordinate operations ? You have a double contradiction in one

II. #5 Abdullah wants out only if everyone gives in to Karzai's demand for all the phoney voting booths that brought in the 100s of thousands of Karzai votes from ghost voters. You're making out that this is an Obama failure, when in fact the problem is the corruption of YOUR guy, the babybush puppet, Karzai.

III. #6 - fauxs news shows their spin ??? When a rumor that smears Dems appears in a faux news print apparatchik or some other right wing outhouse paper, and is then alleged as a fact in the faux news reports citing the newspaper, that is not only lying, it is purposely hiding the spin. faux news uses this technique frequently as has been pointed out by TMers on numerous occasions.

IV. #7 a. russian nuclear rocket to Mars ? When ? In the lifetime of Me168 (may he live to see the next millenium) ?
b. "We are so being out flanked by China and Russia."
There's no 'here' here. You insinuate 1. collusion, 2. that we are losing something. Yet you have not one fact.

V. Back to #3, a. you left out the jobs gained from the tax breaks you were crying to get. That will put the figure at $120,000, plus benefitting the executive floor, which you of all people should appreciate

b. Of course, the biggest benefits were given to the bank executives (letting them keep their $100,000,000+/yr jobs after they wrecked their companies, defrauded their stockholders, and laid off employees) but you don't complain about that.

VI. re parts of the un-numbered goulash at the bottom of your post :

a. the remarks that the present elections do not reflect on the Obama Administration came from your fellow republicans. It doesn't matter. Deeds loses, but Corzine wins. And in the next round of guv races, we Dems will certainly take RI, VT, FL, MN, NV, and CA, for sure, and are only certain to lose MI & WY.

NY, SC, IL, WI, TX are up in the air. But the loss of the CA, FL, and MN governorships will have a profound effect on redistricting in 20112.

b. Hilary can tell netanyahu, "I see that your coalition is deteriorating. So, what kind of job are you looking for ?"

NEW THREAD

Vladimir Isachenkov for AP News :
"Igor Lisov, a Moscow-based expert on Russian space program, said the prospective ship would use a nuclear reactor to run an electric rocket engine.... It will be quite efficient for flight to Mars," he told The Associated Press on Thursday."

Ya, and we know how good russians are with nuclear safety. God help anyone within a 25 mile radius if the booster fails. It'd be a really big sizzle.

NEW THREAD

Hi Mr.168,

The other day, my question about Me109 1and Me262s was a joke having to do with the 2 very good airplanes back in the days of World War II.

The other jokes about 168 were 1. a code for the 1st day of June, 1998, which could fit as birthdate for someone your age, and 2. June 17th - the 168th day of any non-leap year - which might also be the birthdate of someone who is 11.

Anyway, I've been hassling max as usual. I'll let you take that over, if you wish, but Sweetie wants me to go for a walk with her, and at my age, I might never get another chance.

'bye 4 now.

"What I am, as a minority is very, very disappointed in the missed opportunity to start getting this county in the right direction. I know that he would break most of his promises..but the few big ones that he should have kept..would have helped to heal this country...we are still a very intolerant ignorant country as a whole.....A new direction is needed, so we can get the right people in office...the ones that have the all of the power now, are the ones we keep electing...cos they are not the other one; the other party...so we are still very tribal........and have not progressed very much, other than in technology...just MO." http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/i-hear-them-all-2.html#comment-268901

Solar, A very nice post and a very honest answer. Thank you.