Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo Hoo

Talk about right place right time.

Dear Dr. Dooty -

I just walked in from the Jr. Brown Show at the fair. Tell the " gitsteel " maker his creation was beautiful. Jr. warmed to the event, the crowd gave him life, .......... he's tired. I could see that. He's also the ugliest white man I've ever seen.

I'll put one up at the Shine Bone for you.

Graham Slams Beck ...........

Where's Mr. Beck's birth certificate ?

" I want you to see want's under his finger nails."

Some " God Father " movie.

Trust me -
Glenn Beck has Elizabeth Smart clones trapped in a basement somewhere.

It's the best part of Moronism.

BRAIN BLEACH!!!

Honestly, Bob--that's a scarier thought than the stories I'm working with--

Is America too cynical?

Vote here, vote often .

Fair -
Here's the atom on the very tip of the needle. I liked Eliot Spitzer. I had high hopes for the man.

Hey, Bob, I once had high hopes for John Edwards. So I get where you're coming from. It's kinda hard to stave off cynicism nowadays--at least for me.

Oh--Craig, just sayin' but I agree with the Big Man--Beck's less Howard Beale than Lonesome Rhodes.

Which leads me off on a tangent--I think Andy Griffith deserved an Oscar for that role. Would his chances have been better if Elia Kazan hadn't been his director?

Fair -
9-11 was the best about powerful people, and their sex lives. Too bad Craig lost those posts. A real New York state of mind.

It was great reading. We all went to the theater, with soft gossip & a good wine after .

A bit of Henry Miller seems in order: "Actually we are a vulgar, pushing mob whose passions are easily mobilized by demagogues, newspaper men, religious quacks, agitators and such like. To call this a society of free peoples is blasphemous. What have we to offer the world besides the superabundant loot which we recklessly plunder from the earth under the maniacal delusion that this insane activity represents progress and enlightenment?”

Sophomoric slights and dishonest nuance by cretins such as Keith (surprise surprise!) are sure to whet any liberals' appetite.

He mentions how Senator Graham thinks 'birthers' are crazy--yet doesn't mention Glenn Beck agrees with the sentiment. Almost painting a picture, with the snuff, that Glenn Beck is some racist white male Christian from the south, "SEE!! He is relating to his audience with tobacco, and calling Obama a racist!!". Get over the snuff--It was a prop. There are plenty of substantive objections---this is not one of them. By the way, the nut joke? That alone lost viewership.

Most of those critical of Glenn Beck haven't even watched beyond what is exclusively brought to them by their favorite idiot of the 'fringe' news: Keith O.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264017

Yikes. I think maybe it's time for me to go lurk awhile. Nite all.

Colorado Bob, Fairweather

Being a hypocrite must be exhausting...only a liberal can claim social justice, political correctness and manage to undermine this disingenuous foundation through intolerance.

The two of you represent what is wrong with America, in this instance.

To our great friend ..... 9/11 sort of

We miss you.

A New York State of Mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNm39BzFP2I

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264020

Wow. You're right. It's something I was born with, being a southerner and all. And you have definitely put me in my place. However, you haven't changed my mind about Glenn Beck.

Bland -
Bite my shiny metal ass.

blandinbasement, could you make a coherent argument for your views without insulting complete strangers? I, for one, would actually be interested.

Bland -

Did you bring your logic protractor ? Maybe we can glue you to Max, and you can both roll down the hill that is life.

Last song from Fair:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_lbhd3wecM

Thinking about using this for a combination Saturday music/31 Days post. This was the first song I ever heard the Country Gentlemen do.

Craig -

I give him one thing, his screen name was refreshing, it could have been " Pipeline to the Truth " .

Everybody gear up for a fresh voice that can't paste links.

Bland -
Lot's wrong with the country. But me and Fairweather ain't the biggest problem in the pool.

If BlandBasement wants to get in a pissing contest, he's out of his league here....

Very interesting WSJ piece on big business and health care reform.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574446921885356260.html

Who is Lindsey playing to? Is this for his personal benefit or is he trying to steer the GOP out of the far-right ditch? Yes, only in a this country can a man make money by fake crying.

Strange how the GOoPers don't want economic recovery...at least not just yet.

The Olympics would create jobs. The Olympics would put us center stage, again. The Olympics would bring in tourists who would not only go to Chicago, but New York, Orlando, the Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, LA. Clearly, the Republicans are fiscally irresponsible, don't care about the unemployed, and are ashamed of our country.

Conservatives don't like Graham they don't like McCain much either. There is a fight going on inside the Republican Party.

Being an Independent and unhappy with both Partys, I would love to see a new party emerge for all the folks who feel D.C. is corrupt and out of control. There is way too much corporation involvement in our Republic.

Bland
welcome.

Your right, Fair and Bob are the damnation of our country and so is Patsi btw.
But don't get into a pissing contest with her. She is full of piss and vinegar as the old folks would say.

Now that we have established what it takes to ruin this country, I'm having trouble fitting G'eck on the scale. Must get a bigger piece of paper for that graph because he is way out there.

Jack

Off topic--GE dumping NBC. Looks like Comcast will control 51%. This could prove interesting. Right now NBC is Obama's most enthusiastic cheerleader. I wonder where Brian Roberts (CEO Comcast) stands.

I think Lindsey is trying to get the attention of the rational wing of the Republican party. His platform is I would be a better candidate than Mitt because I'm not from Mass.
Let Palin and the others play to the wing nuts He is running on the Save our Party ticket.

Jack

Bland- Good place for you Bland, stay in the basement , right down there with sewer pipes.

Craig- A fine job once again. I know no other commentator who can and does consider both sides thoughtfully.

It's pretty ironic to hear KO speak of some of the media "not for progress for their own party, side". They say time heals all, I don't think so in his case, I know what is lurking underneath.

mornin'

Jack, don't forget to mention that Patis can both think AND write - a fearsome combination.

btw, I did a little fishing around, and what Obama said in 2004 during his senatorial run was that the US might have to consider surgical missile strikes to keep Iran from gaining nuclear capabilities. This was just after Iran announced that it was involved in gassification of uranium. I couldn't find a quote anywhere where Obama said anything about nuking Iran. See, not all missiles are nukes...

hmm, I wonder if we'll be getting slammed by members of the Glen Beck fan club some more. I may join just to get the decoder ring so that I can keep up with what they are doing.

... that would be Patsi ....

(damn)

Uh-oh. Armagedden is near. I actually agree with David Brooks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02brooks.html?_r=1

"And they [the RW radio talk jocks] are aided in this endeavor by their enablers. They are enabled by cynical Democrats, who love to claim that Rush Limbaugh controls the G.O.P. They are enabled by lazy pundits who find it easier to argue with showmen than with people whose opinions are based on knowledge. They are enabled by the slightly educated snobs who believe that Glenn Beck really is the voice of Middle America. "

I guess some of us would be those cynical Democrats., and it seems that our newest member(?) bland-in-mom's-basement would be one of those slightly educated snobs Brooks talks about. Now about those lazy pundits - I assume he's slamming KO - he could certainlty not be talking about our esteemed host. I just hope that not enough Repugs actually read his take on their party's state of affairs, wake up and do something about it.

Pogo, in bombing and missiling there's an exceedingly important term/concept known as CEP (circular error probable).

The reason we had such big nukes was that missiles, years ago, had a lousy CEP, i.e., they might miss their intended target by half-a-mile or so. In that case, big was imperative if you wanted to destroy the target with one missile.

If the target is to be struck by conventional munitions, a low CEP is absolutely essential because pin-point accuracy is required. That's why we had special ops people on the ground illuminating targets with lasers when we made our entry into Afghanistan.

If the target is 'hardened' by having it well underground and protected by lots of concrete, Then the chance of even a very accurate conventional missile strike taking it out are quite slim--especially as conventional munitions are quite heavy and missiles don't do well with heavy.

Personally, I like the Israeli option.

Sturg, last night folks were trying to boot us out of the discussion because we are in SC. Where should we go???

I would rather work with a dozen average people than with fifty very smart cynics.

flatus, I was just catching up and responding to Max's assertion that Obama talked about nuking the Iranians - what you are talking about is stuff I doubt Obama would have had much of a notion about when he was running for Senate - my guess, and I think it is probably more to the point, is that he was convinced by the footage from Gulf War I that we could put a missile through a window and up a gnat's ass.

It must be difficult being a 'regular' on KO's show.

Even if I met him socially, I would want to take a long shower and burn my clothes as soon as possible after leaving.

...and I'm thinking he had something like this in mind.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/bunker-buster.htm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264045

In most cases those weren't missiles, but laser guided bombs. They are very accurate. But, they must have somebody illuminating the target if they are to hit it. Easy to do in a country that has no air defenses; much more difficult if the airspace is contested.

Flatus

I believe it was Jack Germond one of the regulars on the PBS show ,The Mclaughlin(sp?) Report, who when ask how he could be on such a show pointed out that the money from the show put 2 daughters through college.
I believe that show is now the model for most of cable news and the sunday talk/news shows.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264047

From the linked article you provided, Pogo.

"Known as bunker busters, these bombs penetrate deep into the earth or right through a dozen feet of reinforced concrete before exploding."

In this case, we are talking about targets under a mountain of protection. A 'bunker buster' simply will not reach the corpus of the creature.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264049

That was well said, Jack. It's also the reason that I switched the focus to me after my first sentence.

And, now, Stinky beckons. Oops, bad word choice. should be Stinky calls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

"Mission Not Accomplished"

"Stocks are up. Ben Bernanke says that the recession is over. And I sense a growing willingness among movers and shakers to declare “Mission Accomplished” when it comes to fighting the slump. It’s time, I keep hearing, to shift our focus from economic stimulus to the budget deficit.

No, it isn’t. And the complacency now setting in over the state of the economy is both foolish and dangerous."

I admit that I have no idea how deeply those facilities are buried. Even so, I'm not convinvced that the surgical strikes would be directed so much at the facilities themselves as they might be directed at military intallations in place to provide protection, with the aim of a strike being to convince Iran that they better shut them the hell down or risk a nasty confrontation that they couldn't win. And really, those were things said 5 years ago in his race for Senate. I kinda doubt they are really worth considering serious today. Hell, he's being roundly criticized (I plead guilty, btw) for failing to do what he said during his campaign a year ago.

tony, thanks for my morning Krugman.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264046

"Even if I met him socially, I would want to take a long shower and burn my clothes as soon as possible after leaving."

Flatus
Ha,ha,you speak for many...

flate.....I'm thinking either nova scotia or calgary.......

good article on helen in wapo today

"Helen Thomas is 89 years old and requires some assistance to get to and from the daily White House briefing. Yet her backbone has proved stronger than that of the president she covers."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/01/AR2009100104303.html?hpid=artslot

KO is great TV.......

Tony

Economy wise I feel we are like the cartoon carachter who fell of the cliff and saved himself by grabbing onto a small tree growing in the side of the cliff. We aren't falling anymore, but we sure as hell aren't safe and happy.

Jack
just danglin' with the rest of you.

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/

"Cantwell Vs. Baucus: Battle of the Exchanges"

"Cantwell's amendment is a good but sadly insufficient idea. It is really at best a “foothold.” It is how all the exchanges should be run, not a small subset for some people in some states. If the current Senate Finance Committee bill was passed into law, Cantwell probably hopes progressives will fight hundreds of smaller battles using her amendment to gradually marginalize Baucus's terrible exchanges. I appreciate the effort represented by Sen. Cantwell's amendment; like Wyden's state experimentation amendment, it could be a tool progressives might use to fight for real reform at the state level. But I think it is far too early to begin a strategic retreat, to prepare to fight another day. Now is not the moment to accept defeat. This is a perfect time to fight, if only elected Democrats can be forced to remember what the party stands for."

jack.....i feel more like the cartoon character who runs off the cliff and doesnt begin to fall until after he looks down.....I havent looked down yet.....

Whenever this round of health care is over the American voters will have a real good idea on who was for them & who lied/sided with the corporations for their own personal gain. This is not your everyday bill this will make or brake careers. What they say & what side they choose will be remembered at least until the next election. I don't see how some of them ever expect to be taken seriously again.

"running on the Save our Party ticket"

jack, it's more like the save our butts ticket

and sob more accurate acronym than sop

Sturge

So Is Gl'eck or we wouldn't be wasting all the bytes talking about him.
Reminds me of a discussion I got in with a right winger on a Michael Moore movie when I called it great film making. he disagreed only because he did like the theme of the movie.
As I told him
The object is to sell tickets and make an impact..

Moore does both as does Gl'eck.

Jack

Obama met with McChrystal in Copenhagen this morning - so much for the criticism that there were things more important than the Olympics that he would not be able to pay attention to ... Boner & the idiots - new Repug rock group. This has to drive them nutz.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/world/asia/03mcchrystal.html?hp

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264055

Hey Pogo,Jack
Man,unemployment 9.8%.After reading Krugman it doesn't look good...Even the Administrations numbers on unemployment are really bad around the mid-terms.Is Charlie Cook correct? Could Republican's re-take control in the house?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264059

Sturge,
yes when Craig is on,of course that's the only time I watch...

jack.....i've at times heard it referred to as "asses in the seats"

putting asses in the seats, that is.....drawing a great audience

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264063

buford,
I agree.Its been a real eye opener for me.I thought the Dems couldn't get worse after the 2008 Dem primary,was i wrong... I expected what we have gotten(nothing) from Repubs,but Dem's.unacceptable..

Sturge

what I find interesting is, while conservatives seem to own the talk show formats, liberals dominate on effective use of the net and with movie documentaries.

I gave my TV to my Father in law last year and have never gotten around to plugging in the other one I have around here.

The wife only watches TV for the CSI type shows. We get all our news off the internet.
Jack

Graham did what he did for his presidential bid...he really needs to attack Faux News (which he would never do because he wants to be Presdent). If you watch Faux News day in and day out, there is the call to the mentally unstable. Frothing-up the fringe to hurt people instead of help people. They actually feed the fact that they are the "real" truth you cannot get from the MSM. Really appeals to paranoid, the "can't you see Obama is destroying our country" crowd.

tony, if anything allows the Reps to regain one or both houses in the midterms, it will IMHO be either the economy or the war ... well, make that the economy only. Yep, I heard Krugman on the tube a couple days ago, and he's not encouraged. Employment is a lagging indicator historically, but he thinks that there might be a new paradigm for recovery from deep recessions that does not involve a recovery in the jobs sector. He used the auto industry as an example (or I may be confusing what he said with what I heard Thom Hartmann discuss with another economist a couple days ago) - they have changed their processes to adapt to their new reality, and they don't need as many workers to produce the cars consumers want from them than they did very few years ago. It could be a long, hard slog, and voters may be fed up enough to vote for guys they know won't help workers, and who they know don't have an economic answer that works either.

OK

I've goofed around long enough
The wife has been out of town all week.
Time to shovel a path through the house for her when she gets back this evening.

Later

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264045

NewPogo, Obama's more recent comment last December was about nuking Iran should Iran use WMD on Israel. He said this after he refused to give the Hillary answer during the debate of providing a nuclear umbrella to Israel. If I remember correctly this declaration was about the time some objections were made about Obama's strategy being anti-Israel. Of course this WAPO article only mentions Cheney's objections and buries Obama's previous thoughts..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/08/AR2007070801307_pf.html

As for his 2004 remark. let's not spin it. Just read the quotation. He said he would err on the side of caution and way back in 2004 argued the US should take out Iranian nuclear faclities should they not provide transparency and continue to enrich. His mentor was Kerry and Lieberman who got him the convention speech. His early talks were rather hawkish and the record argues against his not thinking about running for President some day. Wasn't that his dream as mentioned in elementary school? It certainly is his MO to prepare to run for the next higher office once elected for a lower one.

Also, I am sure Obma knows how Franks was able to impress everyone with his air strikes called in exactly how Flatus describes. You have to have ground spotters which we did in Afghanistan. The strikes are very accurate. So accurate it made the Russians rave. It was this reliance on strikes that did not properly transfer to Iraq where far more collateral dange raised the ire of citizens. The increasing accuracy in Afghanistan and Pakistan is proably due to the CIA getting targeting chips to local synpathizers wh place them near terrorists. Still, Obama knew all this when he advocated last summer bombing Pakistan despite the history of the Kyber and the growing outcry over collateral damage. There are several rants by the Taliban and AQ that "traitors are all around us" bullshit in regard to their knwoing what the CIA was up to. The other improvement is more drones and soon drones that can attack on there own. Long War Journal has a few recent articles why bombing will not solve Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Still, even when Obama talked in 2004, there was certainly nothing to replace ground spotters unless we had something like the new SUPER BUNKER BUSTER Obama order a few weeks ago, or repeated strikes with smaller ones. Israel probably has "clean" nuke bunker buster that they might be prepared to use were the situation grave enough.

New Subject

And for all you objective thinkers, what if Beck said this: http://slatest.slate.com/id/2231282/entry/3

Don't you think there would be cries of sexual harrassment whether true or not? Just look at the Democratic reaction when O'Rielly was nailed. I supported the slap down of Bill, but the viewership has actually increased for Dave.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264006

Thanks, Colorado Bob. I will let Michael know. Here is Michael's web site where you can get an up close and personal look at the "guit-steel".

http://www.stevensguitars.com/

scroll down maybe 3 sets of the photos to Junior Brown's guit-steel.

Baucus screwed Americans again in the middle of the night by scratching Wyden Amendment. Bribes work. This time from both business and unions. Hope none of you wanted real reform or choice in healthcare.

jamie...baucus is trojan horse...the pharma and health complex lives within.

NP, there are all sorts of things that could worsen Democratic chances in 2010. One would be to pass a Healthcare plan that gets ripped apart after it is passed. Unemployment will likely hit 10% as I suggested six months ago and I'm no expert. Hell, Iran could test a nuke or the Taliban could over run a Pakistani nuclear site. Obama might fail to be bold in Afghanistan or accept Iranian duplicity in order to save face. Certainly economy is critical but several factors could damge that beyond policy. We could get hit or an incident could slow oil delivery.

In any case I, unlike the rabid Right am hoping for outcomes that make us stronger and more secure. I think that moving towards center averts the rabidness on both sides of the divide.....

From merriam webster on line
SOP
"a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture"
"to steep or dip in or as if in liquid b : to wet thoroughly"

Patd
Sop works for me.

Jack
If I'm in front of the computer I don't see the dishes

"Obama's more recent comment last December was about nuking Iran should Iran use WMD on Israel"

Max
this isn't the same as what you claimed yesterday. So no cigar.

Jack

Jerking the definition of "center" out of rightwing nut territory might help too.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264015

Fair

I saw "Face In The Crowd" in the theater. Even as a kid, Griffith completely blew me away with his performance. He certainly should have been nominated instead of Marlon Brando in Sayonara.

Unfortunately, even if nominated he would have been up against Alec Guiness at the end of long career in the blockbuster Bridge on the River Kwai.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264078

Hey Jamie,
What do you think of Cantwell's amendment?

"averts the rabidness on both sides of the divide....."

Reminds me of some one I meet once who thought Larry King and Rush Limbaugh were equally rabid.

Jack

You know
The worst thing that the Democrats can do in terms of the up coming election is to pass some for of the Baccus bill. If they do that then they have to take responsibilities for the anger of people when it dawns on them that these Republican ideas are taking money out of their pockets and giving them nothing in return.

Far better to put up a bill that the Republicans vote down and block then blitz the Red states with the fact that the Republicans are more worried about insurance companies then their constituents.

Jack

As long as we have troops occupying Muslim\Arab soil we will never be stronger or securer.

Tell me again how the Roman Empire collapsed or how the British and Russians won in Afghanistan and other Mid Eastern Countries.

Oh that's right, they didn't and neither will we.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264073

That is quite a simplicification. There have been dozens of important news items that broke first on FOX bewcause they didn't fit the narrative of more Liberal news groups. Can't you remember the bold decision by ABC to actually run a week long look at how life was much better in Iraq? Wright would never have surfaced without FOX and it eventually led Obama to leave Trinity and the ISM crowd that is far more pernicious than FOX NEWS. I posted a link for Craig of a new news concept. You can check or see it at Wired. It is a service that takes many news reports and shows how each spin it on a particular item. There is decent reports on FOX and then there is the usual partisan crap. While Beck and often Hannity play to the lowest Republican "demoninator" Fox defended the pathetic attacks on Hillary long before NBC, CBC, MSNBC or even ABC and CNN. And yesterday, FOX was very encouraging to Obama's effort on Iran.

I know because I scan the various news groups to determine the degree a particular news item has become a partisan game. It is really quite interesting if you have the time or a TIVO. One night FOX had schoold children chanting Yes We Can while another was exploring drug delers in their attempt to tie a terrible murder to "anti-government" groups (code for RW). So far no American network has reported the recent string of bank bombings in Mexico attributed to a new terror group.

"The attack was claimed in a communique posted to a Spanish-language anarchist Web site by a group calling itself the Subversive Alliance for the Liberation of the Earth, Animals and Humans (ASLTAH)."

Now tell me, which network will pick up on this first? And which network will hail such activities?

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ubns

Roberts is on the side of his business. He is a big mover and shaker in PA and buddies with Ed Rendell, Comcast uses FOX video clips a lot on the entry page online which drives me bonkers.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264090

And tell me how we defeated Japan (forward naval bases) and the Soviet Union (postioning of military forces and capitalism), how we made friends of the Germans, saved Muslims in Bosnia and led the world tis last hundered years to more Democracy than ever seen in human history?

I think the Romans had a problem with their drinking water. In your view, there is nothing new under the sun but re-runs.......sad

SOP
"a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture"

jack, when you put it that way, sop is standard operating procedure for those sobs

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264088

Well that isn't me Jack, though they both seem to need medication for different reasons.....

Got to work, later

Max, once again, you accuse Obama of making a statement that varies from the statement he made and cannot provide any link to. In this case you cite to a 2007 article that doesn't even mention Obama, then segue into an unsupported statement made 2 years later. I was speculating about what I thought he might have meant by surgical missile strikes, and I think that is pretty clear from the context - we do offer our own opinions about what this or that might mean from time to time here, and you probably do it more than anyone on the site. Either give me a link to the statement you claim Obama made about using nukes against Iran so I can read it and respond if I feel the desire to do so or STFU. And in 2004 if Obama as an Illinois state senator was well enough briefed on the US' missile capabilities and Middle East theatre capabilities ind intentions in 2004 - before he was a US Senator, I'd guess he was one of few senate hopefuls to be so well informed.

Graham is a moderate Republican, Beck is a Conservative. Big difference. However, to Liberals they are all the same.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264058

patd

Yesterday was fun. I came up with a quip. Craig snatched and tweeted it, and Dana Milbank got a column out of it. Three happy wordy wonks.

max...I stand by my statement about Faux News. I agree they can do reporting (isn't that part of their license?) and the best reporting on Hurricane Katrina was done by Shep Smith. He did get into a fight with hannity about the dead body he had been standing next to for two days...unfortunately, I do not believe he has a moment of clarity since New Orleans.

btw, what I believe was clear from the context was that what I was saying was my own speculation.

"Graham is a conservative Republican, Beck is a wacko nutjob. Big difference"

TIR
You had some bad typos Hope you don't mind if I corrected them.

Jack

Now why I ask isn't this funny?

http://blogs.kansascity.com/tvbarn/2009/10/davesex.html

max..beck is is the faux news whipping boy because he is such an obvious target. Hate spews instead of news. Opines tossed about as truth. The entire news core of FN is rotten.

TIR

Never mind you were right
Beck is a mainstream Republican conservative. Graham is the obvious nutjob.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264086

Tony,

I think the same thing Cantwell thinks. It's the best she could get through that committee: State by State negotiation of rates with Insurance companies. Not nationwide. Not public option, but at least what we have here in WA.

As I've said before. WA healthcare isn't perfect, but it is darn good. The destitute and low income are all covered through the non profit Community Healthcare system and for profit insurance companies can't operate in the state without negotiating rates and coverage with the state. There are several pools average people can buy into. It would be a lot better if it were all Public Option and nationwide, but you take what you can get.

Craig, I'll see your Henry Miller quote, and raise you one:

"It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd."

Sorry:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264017

In politics being an SOB is SOP

be sure to read about lard ringing the golden bell yesterday. plus there's a video.

http://seanholton.wordpress.com/

btw, not at all like those golden bells that loretta lynn sang about ringing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdzyybPKOHw

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264108

LOL

Now , Jamie
Such cynicism

TIR...another zipper story of male sex and power...hey, I have a wide stance...endless in entertainment and government. After John Edwards, I lost my ability to look at these objectively.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264105

Jamie take a peak at my comment last night regarding WA program and HealthyNY about 12 midnight. I think I touched upon the problem.

I will look later to see if you replied. Forgive Bland, he may have just spent too much time reading comments at the Democratic Underground........

Joe I left you some remarks there too. I'm waiting for your list......

Plastering calls so I can afford GREAT insurance and prevent misfortune from wiping me out.

Fox defended the pathetic attacks on Hillary long before NBC, CBC, MSNBC or even ABC and CNN. And yesterday, FOX was very encouraging to Obama's effort on Iran

oopsss I meant that Fox defended Hillary against the pathetic attacks long before......

Sorry about that and the typos but this morning was serious multitasking....later.

Max,

I'm not sure what list you are referring to. However, I did read your links regarding Obama saying he would preemptively nuke Iran to take out their sites, and nowhere, in any of your links, is that supported.

Max, I actually enjoy reading your postings, at least those I can read all the way through. And I find your opinions provocative and interesting. Unfortunately, you have a habit of throwing out unsubstantiated 'facts' and then, when asked, provide dubious links that for the most part do not back up what you are saying.

Again, don't get me wrong, I respect your point of view, but opinion is not supported by multiple citations of other opinions. And so many of your 'facts' are not, that it makes all of your postings suspect, IMHO.

"A bit of Henry Miller seems in order: "Actually we are a vulgar, pushing mob whose passions are easily mobilized by demagogues, newspaper men, religious quacks, agitators and such like. To call this a society of free peoples is blasphemous. What have we to offer the world besides the superabundant loot which we recklessly plunder from the earth under the maniacal delusion that this insane activity represents progress and enlightenment?” http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264017

Craig, I loved that quote.

Bland was very rude, but he made one point I can't overlook: the one about claiming social justice and then being intolerant.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264102

I'm sure it's been a laugh a minute in Dave's house since this all started. I can't imagine why he would have addressed it the way he did last night - except that he's a comedian and he in all probablility knew that the police had a press conference scheduled today to talk abou t the case. Don't know that I would have handled it quite that way, but hey, ya pays your money and you takes your chances - oh, and if you screw up you don't get a do over. But now, he's a witness in a blackmail case, so I'm betting he doesn't talk much about it from this point forward. For those of you like TiR, the good news is that in most states there's a 2 year statute of limitations on sexual harassment suits, but NY's may be 3 years, and there is a 300 day statute for filing with EEOC, so this whole thing may just be beginning. I'm betting that Dave already wishes he had kept it in his pants.

For more details of the healthy NY plan

An individual pays, $192, not $600

https://www.bcbswny.com/bcbs_dspy.php?file=bcbs_plan_hyny_details.html

Jamie-

re: Roberts/Comcast/Rendell

As usual, you have the lowdown on people in the news. The only thing I recall about Rendell is that he was a strong Hillary supporter--holding out "til the end .
Based on that, he gets a thumbs up from me.

Chloe,

I took the same thing from Blands post...I would like him/her to stick around....I just finished catching up (scanning) and it looks like not too much has been talked about...same O same O.. one team blaming the other...and forget about the people in the bleachers......

Tony,

thanks for the shout out,,,will post an answer a little later...in the beginning of exercises and a little lazy about it...so...will be in and out with short post....but don't worry I have a lot of long ones too...:-)

About this thread:

Glenn Beck----------------book ends--------------------Kieth O.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264118

Jamie and Ubns,
It will be interesting to see if any such merger between NBC and Comcast passes the FCC test. I hope it would not.

Jack, I may be missing it, or it may not be assessed, but except for the optional 'script coverage I don't see what the deductibles are. I see the copays, but unless they are deductibles misnamed as copays, there must be something missing.

Max,

Here are the monthly income guidelines for what you pay in WA to buy into the health care pool

http://www.basichealth.hca.wa.gov/income_table.html

Chicago is out of the Olympics

So much for the power tag team of Obama and Oprah.

CJ

I've been upset with the FCC for a long, long time. They have virtually destroyed local radio with all the mergers and ownership decisions.

Allowing all these media mergers turns everything to pablum.

Obama, lobbied for the olimpics...but he did not get his way...what will the R's say about it......Now here was the change that I wanted...lots of work around the Chicago area....and some of the cash would actually have filtered down to the little people.......the team of Obama, and Opra, did not do it this time......

Solar, I was just popping in long enough to catch up on the thread too (like you said though, it was more of a scan).

Very glad to see you back here. You were missed.
I'll be out for most of the day and will finish catching up when I get back.

ComCast should be shut down....another example of bipartisonship when it suits the two party system.....have you seen all of the chrages that are in their monthly bills?........fkn taxed from the State, the cites , the government, and a lot more of hidden taxes on it...it will double your subscription amount that you signed up for.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264126

Jamie,

One quibble. While pablum might lack flavor, doesn't it at least have some nutritional value? So, I'd suggest you are being unfair to pablum.

Hey, but unemployment is only at 9.8% and rising, Afghanistan is falling apart our military commanders on the ground are being ignored, the US dollar is sinking faster than the Titanic, and Iran is still being allowed to play the old shell game. What me worry.

Pogo

It is a state set standard for benefit's so there may not be a deductible the list comes straight off the state site list of benefits
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/website2/hny/english/hnybp.pdf

There are state subsidies mostly in the form of loss prevention where the state picksup the tab for large bills.
I haven't found the cost to the state on those.

Jack

Jack

Truth, you are at times focused on the wrong things.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/sports/03olympics.html?hp

"In the official question-and-answer session following the Chicago presentation, Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from Pakistan, asked the toughest question. He wondered how smooth it would be for foreigners to enter the United States for the Games because doing so can sometimes, he said, be “a rather harrowing experience.”

Yeah, well, there is that little problem isn't there? It has taken me as long as 2 1/2 hours from the time I got out of the plane to clear customs and security to the time I got into my car when coming back into the US from abroad - and I have a US passport and aside from the sunburn I usually bring back, am a pasty white middle aged american male travelling with my family. Imagine what folks from say, the middle east, would face. See, there are consequences to idiotic responses to bad shit.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264127

It's hard to blame the IOC for their decision given the public snub they were getting from big name GOPers.

"And so many of your 'facts' are not, that it makes all of your postings suspect, IMHO" Joe

Joe, don't take this the wrong way (and forgive the length), but that is bullshit. I link more sources to my comments than anybody. There are times I leave opinions, but more frequently I am restating positions I have already left links to. Sometimes I leave copiuus links without opinion...lol I did not mean to suggest that Obama would pre-empt with nukes unless Iran used nukes or WMD first against someone else, like Israel. That was sloppy on my part, but I have repeatedly supplied multiple citations and have a damn good record of being right. You don't adress that do you? By your measure everyone here has just opinions and thus makes everyone's posts suspect. Yes? Shall I cite examples?

I argued with Obama supporters more than a year ago that Iran was indeed supplying weapons that killed US forces in Iraq and would able to begin construction of a nuke within a year or so. I claimed Iran was building various secret facilities and supplying illegal arms to Hamas and Hizb'Allah. I argued with Obama supporters that missile defense tests were largely successful as of the last few years. I stated that NK had not disclosed their multiple nuclear programs, that Clinton almost bombed NK and that Clarke and Bill advocated the Material Support Bill. I predicted what Obama's AG might do before Obama was in office. I argued that released detainees were returning to terror. I have a list a mile long with more than a hundred links for citation. I said Obama's numbers don't add up at CBO. I claimed his position on workplace enforcment is duplicitous. I made claims about Power and Rice, Malley and Brezinski all linked to citations. I showed evidence of Hamas using a school and UN housing for cover to launch rockets. I showed reports that NK had built a remote launch missile that could be fired from ships and trains. I even showed citations of Middle East MO in pipeline attacks in Mexico, more citations regarding earth's cooling, carbon sequestration and yet, I don't cite enough? I am wildy wrong in my predictions? Should I use even more bandwidth? Cite more examples of original intent, Democratic corruption, media bias?

LOL, I think not, don't worry Craig.

I just take offense to that Joe. You smuggly laughed at my source of the Obama hawk comment I made. Then I gave you links. I could give you more and I rarely see your citations though given your IQ, I do not suspect your opinions are foolish. However, when one does not have facts, one does not make predictions. And if predictions are made and they are right, that goes a long way to evaluate the veracity of the sources, yes?

So give me that list and maybe while you are at it, comb the record and give me a scorecard. Tell me how many predictions based on information often cited, was I right? Healthcare is a great example. So far this is unfolded as predicted. My citations? I would need to post several studies in behavior science for that.....

TIR

It is the way marketing works.

Obama's trip kinda reminds of the time Bush the elder loaded up a bunch of high donor businessmen to promote American business in Japan. Except Obama didn't slide under the table and puke.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264131

Yes, things are awful. I can't for the life of me understand why the Repugs aren't putting forth any proposals to address these problems. God knows the Dems are too focused on stimulus packages, healthcare ...

... Oh, wait, the Repugs WANT the country to continue to be in shambles so they can make some gains in the midterms. Silly me.

Sturg, please don't tell me what an individual pays for healthNY coverage. A close friend is in the program and pays almost three hundred a month including full drug coverage. That is the plan through Empire. I know because I may take the identical plan in January offered for small business plus one. Same coverage and same price. There is not income cap on the business offering.

As you can read, what an individual pays is half the cost of the actual bill. NYS pays the other half making it over $600 per month. Is that clear, or shall I once again provide my citations?

I don't mean to be a dick, but even when I provide citations, it still seems like I just opinionate. I repeat, Empire Blue per month for a HealthyNY plan with drug coverage is about $300 or so dollars per month per person. Its not Great coverage but good coverage. It is probably more than what Jamie would call cheap. Cigna was the best at this program but could not afford it so they bailed last year.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264135

So Max, where was the link to the quote that said Obama would use nukes to take out the Iranian nuclear enrichment plant?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264134

Rez, there's that, too. :-)

Jack,

I have been in Ohio, and started two MBE qualified new corps, and working to get the ability to so work in any state that I would want to: As a G. C. I can get a lot of diff. work....but for the present, and near future, I am going to concentrate on sewer, and concrete work for set asides...

.What I did was (through a const friend ) joint venture with a company that is holding its own as far as staying alive...and going after city and state work...we are already in the bidding process and. will get money for materials and labor etc.....through a friend that will has arranged for monies to operate until we get healthy.....so Im just fowlleing the money, and it is in the government work......just about dried out for the little guy.....or not enough to hardly live on......we will be able to bid on large projects that exceed most of what the average size corp can.......Bid Bonds , and Performance Bonds are in place.....Please send me you email address again....maybe there might be something that we could look at in your area??

pnsolarcreteatgmail.com...thanks...nice to see you posting a lot again....looks very lopsided if some others are not around....

http://www.empireblue.com/member/noapplication/f3/s2/t4/pw_ad067635.pdf

Here you go Sturg and the other companies don't vary by much in price in the HealthNY plan,. All coverage is the same.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264140

See my comments above or last night Jack. Don't get me started or I might ask you for citations to support your many opinions........you wouldn't want them to be suspect would you?

Okay people, that my lunch, later.

THE book was received at 11:15 EDT. Terrible delivery time--more than eight months after order was placed :)

"The situation is difficult because we recorded rainfall of between 220 and 230 millimetres (nine inches) in three or four hours in some parts of Sicily," Bernardo De Bernardinis, deputy director of the civil protection service.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/10/thirteen_dead_as_severe_weather_swamps_sicily_repo.php?ref=fpa

Says it all: short & to the point

"Glenn Beck----------------book ends--------------------Kieth O" .

And more economic news that continues to impact
women.

The Census bureau recently released updated state data on the gap between women's & men's earnings.

In 2008, median earnings for women were $35,471 or 77.9% of men's earnings, which totaled $45,556

Women earned less than men in each of the 50 states & DC-but slightly more than men in Puerto Rico.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/the-gender-wage-gap-state-by-state/

Max,

I'm not going to get into games with you by providing lists or anything else. All I will do is reiterate that, by nature, I'm a skeptic when facts are bandied about to support a point of view. I like to check the facts by looking at the original source and making my own judgment as to whether they really do support the argument being made.

This is not a partisan thing. I am very independent and take the same grain of salt with both the right and the left. And, to some extent, I admit it is philosophical: it is not enough to be right, one should be right with the right reasoning.

So, again, you may take my criticism as 'bullshit' as you eloquently put it, but I really don't care.

Max,

I enjoy u shaking it up from the daily blame game...but Joe is right...slow down a little and get 1-3 points across..that you want to make.....I told XR that I would do some research for the Litani river water wars...and I still have two or if broken down to smaller post...a few more....and like rebuttal that he has so far...makes me think about it a little more.....lots of what you say is so good that when it is mixed in with too much other stuff......welllllll you sound like me.......,and I expect to be ignored.........you don't...so give it to them a little at a time........they can't really argue with some of the things that you say......I like it that your go off on both parties.....but it looks like you lean a lot to the right....and I think its because you are arguing too many points at one time........

"Allowing all these media mergers turns everything to pablum"

jamie, and ultimately the pablum will be manufactured by only one factory which chooses what and when the baby public will eat.

CJ-

I'm not sure how the FCC operates. Are laws in place to guide decisions or do politics govern? Or both?

Solar-

I have Cox Cable--same story as Comcast. I thought Congress addressed the issue of high cable rates a few years ago but we know how that went.

An ill wind blows in Chicago.

Sturg, Nova Scotia is my choice. Can we wait until winter is over?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264147

coreen, was that the same source for the recent announcement that currently there is a higher percentage of women then men in the workplace?

Natasha,

Friday: We going to Lunch or what?

Not time to get reservations to a fancy shmancy place, so we are going too Ninos...for Pizza a beer...Calamary, and huge fried shrimp....and not forks or knives...a little diff......pick you . Renee, CHloe Ivy, Pogo, (he will love this lunch) and any tmers that want to go.....not team player here, I want a mixed crowd at the Bullwinkle Lunch Club...XR, U combing or what....day light burning......O, and bring your credit card....lots of things to do while we eat.....nice lunch show......

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264143

It is like a Cite!
With real numbers!

Now Max did you look at my site with real numbers?
No
Because if you had you could have pointed out why your numbers for a NY health plan and mine differed.
And then you could have done a triumphant "Told You So!!"
But you didn't so you missed the opportunity.

Jack

UBNS,

"Solar-

I have Cox Cable--same story as Comcast. I thought Congress addressed the issue of high cable rates a few years ago but we know how that went.:

Buns....ooops, sorry, Im so pissed at the cable corps that I started to learn about FTA= free to air...satellite shows and news from Canada.....it is legal, and get some pretty interesting shows.....I won't let Comcast or anyone rape me, and then ask me to like it......lot more that one can do with all of the satellites in space........

Max

btw, where did you get the 50% number, I can find anything that gives a hard fast number for the cost of subsidies.

So, now that Chicago has lost the bid for the Olympics, the Faux righties will be gleeming because Obama couldn't get the job done, despite their fake outrage that he was trying.

Well, now I say that GOoPers undermined our chance at the Olympics and the jobs and tourism it would bring here. Futhermore, we probably didn't get the games because of the war W took us into under false pretenses and both wars he mismanaged.

The WH doesn't need to respond to Faux. They just need to keep shouting out their own agenda long, loud and clear.

Said Schmidt: "The leadership of the party cannot be outsourced to the conservative-entertainment complex."

http://firstdraftofhistory.theatlantic.com/analysis/steve_schmidt_palin_would_be_catastrophic_for_gopers_in_2012.php

Can't say I'm not disappointed by the Olympic decision, but I'm going to put the same amount of time into the grieving and withdrawal that I put into the anticipation, i.e., not much. I'm certainly not planning to pay any attention to what Glenn Cluck and company says about it.

I see a quick burn-out for that man. I don't think he can keep faking it for for the long haul.

More on bunker busting bombs.

We'd all like reinventing history in order to believe the great big new bunker buster is a marvel of modern engineering. It's not.

This is the one we had about 65-years ago. I've stood next to it; it's mighty impressive:

http://www.ordmusfound.org/t1244kb.html

OK Max
Here are some hard numbers
http://www.hrsa.gov/stateinsurance/newyork.htm

And also a lot of information on the NY system.

For 2006

Subscribers: 90,859
Dependents: 39,991
Total Enrollment: 130,850

State subsidy cost 109 million

That that comes out to a state subsidy cost of about $70 per month for each person enrolled.

That is assuming I had a sharp pencil.

A bit less than 50%

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264127

Solar,

The POTUS was the only real chance Chicago had. The big fear was that it couldn't get passed the heavily Spanish influenced first round and that was what happened.

Tokyo had all of Asia in their favor. The former head of the IOC was a Spaniard pushing for Madrid and Rio was pushing for a whole continent who had never had an olympics. The continent won.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264153

Flatus and Sturg

I vote for Alberta. They have Banff

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264150

Patd

When they were infants I made my children's formula. If they were infants now, I would grow their food in a hot house after double checking the organic quality of the dirt.

Jamie,

Obama should never have been lobbying for the Chicago Olimpics in the first place.....he has better things to do.......I know people that don't have food on the table sometimes......I leave a bag of groceries once in a while.. late at night by the door......We have a Mayor, ( a well known one in all parts of the world) and a Governor, they should have tried on their own.....Obama was called into Chicago, by his corps, bosses and he did not do the Job...

Solar

Obama not going to bat for Chicago would have put one more bit of food on the table but getting the Olymics to Chicago would have.

what it did point out is how low the Republicans have taken this country in it's world stature.

The right wingers need to remember the old statement about pointing. When you point at someone there are 4 fingers pointed back at you.

Jack

I've noticed a lot of internet comments declaring that Obama should quit wasting time, yada yada yada...here's a friendly reminder for the friends of W.

George Bush on vacation all of August 2001. He received a briefing, daily briefing on the 6th declaring Bin Laden determined to attack in the US. The threat went ignored as the administration was worried only about a missile attack shield. 9/11 resulted.

George Bush was on vacation in Crawford in the weeks before Hurricane Katrina. He ignored the concerns of a Cat 5 storm approaching the Gulf Coast and didn't cut short his vacation until after things fell apart in New Orleans. Iraq was also a cluster fuck at the time.

In the summer of 2008, George Bush played tourist in China, watching the Olympics, patting a volleyball player on the ass while the warning signs of an economic meltdown went ignored by his administration.

If Bush was graded on the Obama scale, he'd be exiled right now. If OBAMA was graded on the right wing scale, he'd be declared greater than Jesus Christ.

When I am asked for advice about choices like should I or shouldn't I, I offer this nugget.

"If it's damned if you do and damned if you don't, always do. Inaction is guaranteed failure. Action may fail but you at least give yourself a chance to succeed."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264169

Point!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264167

Solar

He met with the general about afghanistan before leaving. He was on AF 1 which is a flying WH. He was on the ground in Copenhagen for five hours. It was hardly deriliction of duty to try to bring millions of dollars to the US economy.

"Rio was pushing for a whole continent who had never had an olympics. The continent won."

jamie, well said and rightfully so. hope our spokespeople will issue appropriate statements of pride and puffery about the olympics coming to the americas and that we offer neighborly help to our friends in the south.

Bear,

If you are a damned if you do, or damned if you don't voter...or as I see it: A lesser of two evils voter....what doe's that say about anyone that votes for one of the two evil parties...one is more than the other........the nuts in the middle are the real politicians that try to do what is best for us all....even the ones that are a little less evil....

I'm really happy for Rio and their South American neighbors. This will be the first Olympics in a Latin American country south of the equator. Their pledge of $14 billion was probably the deciding issue. Now, the rest of the world will be able to see Brazil as the dynamic economic force that it has become in the past three decades. And, they can teach the world how to be more energy efficient as they are completely independent of foreign oil using many alternatives to fossil fuels. Way to go, Brazil!

Jamie,

Thats his Job, he asked for it...he should not sleep a full 8 hrs of his first term, he and his gang...should fix what your other half did.. the R;s are just a part of the same , bad cop, good cop, routine that we get......but don't worry, he will get a big bonus from them when he leaves office....he is the only one in a win-win situation......

Someone said earlier that POTUS isn't listening to the Generals as if that were a bad thing. Thankfully, Obama isn't listening to the Generals and their pleas for more troops, more troops, and even more troops. Thankfully, Harry Truman didn't listen to the Generals over Korea. Thankfully, Lincoln didn't listen to the Generals during the Civil War. Too bad LBJ did listen to the Generals during the Vietnam War. The reason for civilian control of the military placing POTUS as C-I-C is because if the Generals were in control we'd be a dictatorship always looking around for more wars and more weapons and more troops to fight the permanent war!

Interesting thought solar...I guess it boils down to whether you are a positive person by nature that governs your decision. If you trend negative, you fear more than you hope so you decide to go with what causes less pain.

If you are more hopeful, then you decide based on what will return the highest rate of gains and go in that direction.

Entrepreneurs know that nothing ventured, nothings gained. Obama is a fan of Lincoln and what he overcame and decided if he was going to go down, he'd go down trying.

I think Americans can understand failure in the face of flawed action and despise it in the face of inaction... That's why it took years for the public to really turn on Iraq yet he Bush was immediately skewered over Katrina...

Bear, only ONE small correction to your post - by the time Dumya attended the '08 summer olympics the US had been in recession for 9 months (it was about that time that his oh so prescient administration acknowledged the possibility that a recession might be coming). Two months after the Olympics were over, Paulson's bailout was enacted to try and stabilize economic markets and ensure that the arschelochen (sp?) who ran the financial markets into the ground wouldn't go without their bonuses.

Nice to see you here again, bruddah.

Bear,

Not to take anything away from Obama, as the first half blk president, or any other thing.....I have heard that from fleaheads that hate him and the D's so much that they won't vote for anyone other that the evil ones.....they are not looking in the mirror...we need to see the Ronn Paul, and the Dennis K's , and the Nadars...for everything that one can find against them....what does that say for the two parties that can be blamed for all of this financial mess, and the wars that they both voted for.......

"I think Lindsey is trying to get the attention of the rational wing of the Republican party."

Mr. Whskyjack, I think that wing of the party was jettisoned when former Senators Hugh Scott, Edward Brooke, and General Barry (Barak?) Goldwater were publicly and pointedly disinvited to attend future gooper events. They were replaced by limbaugh, beck, and savage in the hearts of republicans.

At least in the republican party, Darwin was wrong.

In looking at the graham slam at beck, you are seeing the start of Baptist v Mormon death match that will dominate the republican nomination conflict.

graham and the huckster will vie to show who is the most anti-Mormon.

Solar,

what does that say for the two parties that can be blamed for all of this financial mess, and the wars that they both voted for.......

I think Chris Matthews is at the same point since he was yelling at a Dem. Rep yesterday because all the leaders in her party were cowards and voted for the war...

patd,

The source for the gender gap for wages is the Census Bureau, as reported in the NYT yesterday.

While I am not familiar with any recent articles that
women may be outnumbering men in the work force,
that would not be a big surprise, in light of the continuing job losses of the 'recession'.

Women are more likely to work in part-time jobs with no benefits, (health ins).

And as re-affirmed in the census bureau data earn only 77.9 cents for each dollar of their male counterpart's income, when working full-time.

It seems like America is getting more petty and narrow every day.

Criticism of President Obama for getting involved in the Olympic site selection seems rooted in ignorance and just plain stupidity.

I'm not one of the President's ardent admirers, but find the mean spirited attacks on him a bit shameful.

Bear,

"I think Chris Matthews is at the same point since he was yelling at a Dem. Rep yesterday because all the leaders in her party were cowards and voted for the war...: "

Bear----as he should be: But as useal too fn late. All he is doing is shifting with the tide......and can point to the fact that he was an equal opportunity yeller....he is all yeller in my book...him and all of the pundits that go along with what they are told to do...and then shift for appearances....

.I have been yelling at both of them for some time now....so If a nobody like me can see this a year ago...what is he getting paid for....I know to entertain the troops and keep real new in the background........later going for a run....maybe...yes I wil...hope something comes up to stop me...now gotta do it.....say something to make me come back...... too late, I just yelled at my self-to do the right thing........HA

Oregon Dem,

If he would have pulled it off.......I would have been happier than a pries in boys town.....(thats pretty happy) he got involved in something that he was told to do,,,and failed...its that simple. By t he way.....its about time that he stops and thinks about what he is getting into.......leave things like the Prof, and the Cops to the locals, same goes for this failure that looks a lot of his to own.....I know what our fine Mayor will say....."If Obama couldn't get the olympics" Why should you expect me too...he is the one that did not do the job.....Chicago politics is all,,,,,,,

pries=priest......later

Solar..People have the right to think it was not a good idea, but some of the comments I read today on MSN by rightwing folks seemed to be giddy at Chicago's not being successful.

When "W" was in office, the one point by his supporters that I agreed with was their charge than some Democrats wished for Bush to fail, that their hatred for him was stronger than their love of country.

This was really apparent on MSNBC and "progressive" talk radio.

I don't like this attitude from people of any political persuasion.

Have a good day. I'm going to see the Michael Moore movie today. I think it opens here today..

"Super typhoon" bears down on flood-ravaged Philippines

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5910VE20091002

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It's going to a long weekend for the Philippines, I was looking at the JTWC forecast map for Parma . When it gets just northwest of the island, it basically stalls and wanders around.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5910VE20091002

The American Police Force is deleting the contents of their website, but TPM captured it

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009/10/dial-an-army-the-american-police-force-web-site.php?page=1

These guys are scary.

I'm going to see the Michael Moore movie today.

OD - Don't forget Zombie Land. The reviews seem good.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264174

Solar,

There is a great Robert Heinlein quote, "If you are part of a society that votes, always do so. There may not be anything you want to vote for, but there will always be something you want to vote against.

"I vote for Alberta. They have Banff"

Jamie, I'll have to check with Sturg. Do you reckon the prairie oysters are a good trade-off for Atlantic lobster?

Hi Solar, long time no read. You missed a lot of wrangling with the usual suspect. Today, we see more of the same.

Posted by: whskyjack | October 2, 2009 12:16 PM :
"Now Max did you look at my site with real numbers?

No"

It should be obvoius by now that the cherry picker is dislexic and needs new glasses.

Melor , the super typhoon behind Parma has a forecast for 155 mph winds gusting to 190 mph.

http://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/warnings/wp2009.gif

OD,

My bad, and apology, I thought that you were talking about the people here at tm, and others that we just having a say about it. Another think......I totally agree with your comment about one party wishing for the failures of the other....I sorta caught myself doing it, when 43 was pres......I didn't like it...cos it meant that was wishing it on a whole lot of people that I didn't even know....I definitely did not like any of his policies...but to hope for failure just out of spite...is not a good thing.....thanks..ps, a genuine argument against his ideas is another thing...I did, and still do not like his S. Court choices, and I hope that they will do the right things always...

Letterman had sex w/employees ?!?

He must have been impersonating Saint mel gibson.

"I would have been happier than a pries in boys town"

Solar,

You might want to rethink using this comparison. Boys Town does remarkable work with abandoned and orphaned boys and girls

http://www.boystown.org/Pages/default3.aspx

Jamie

One thing I learned while doing neighborhood work is they know if you vote. They may not know how you voted but they know if you did. I have started going to vote even if all I did was spoil a ballot.
I assume with the connected data bases that my congress man can easily know if the letter he is looking at is from a voter or not.

Jack

Bush visits Lubbock

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/093009/loc_499047871.shtml

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Bush looks pickled.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264195

Flatus

We might have to import the Lobster, but that prime prairie beef is right there ready to become sirloin.

The GOP's New Foreign Policy: Undermine American Diplomacy

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/the-gops-new-foreign-policy-undermine-american-diplomacy.php?ref=fpa

Nato commander warns of conflict with Russia in Arctic Circle

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6859007.ece

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264203

C-Bob --

Once you're a pickle you can never be a cucumber again.

Solar---"Friday, we going to lunch or what?"

Yes, YM, told you Fridays were reserved for lunch. But you were pretty pre-occupied with other happenings today, so..... (I count on Chloe to keep you in check)

And you can always win me over with pizza. But in my neck of the woods remember its scamozz (cheese) pizza.

And credit card--- no need to worry about that--always
have one handy & happy to use it. (Natasha)

If you know of or have any young computer users, you might want to check out Kidzui search engine being offered by Comcast

http://kidzui.comcast.net/learnmore

'The Lion Who Controls The Handler'

Originally, there were 31 Zetas — elite army counter-narcotics commandos who defected to work as enforcers for the Gulf Cartel. The name came from their radio code, the letter Z.

But after the 2003 arrest of Gulf crime boss Osiel Cardenas, "the lion wised up and now controls the handler," as one observer put it.

The Zetas have morphed into their own cartel.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113388071

I never wanted the failure of any US government.

I hoped for the failure of certain policies and the downfall of certain individuals, but not the government. There is a huge difference.

For those who, like discredited former Att'y Gen'l gonzales, believed that "whatever the president (as long as he's republican) does is right", baby bush was the government incarnate, no opposition to bush policy was either legitimate or legal. Unarmed and peaceful demonstrators were detained and IDed) The gonzales/bush view of things turns any opposition to any bush policy into a hope that the government will fail. However, their view is both incorrect and in direct opposition to the Original Intent of the Founding Fathers. Jefferson, Franklin,and the Constitutional Convention held that dissent was both healthy and natural. Dissent involves hoping for the failure of certain policies and persons.

Btw, Jefferson had sex with at least one employee, and perhaps Letterman had that in mind. ( :>D)<

Posted by: Colorado Bob | October 2, 2009 3:07 PM : "The GOP's New Foreign Policy: Undermine American Diplomacy"

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/the-gops-new-foreign-policy-undermine-american-diplomacy.php?ref=fpa

This isn't really new. It's exactly what vice presidential candidate george herbert walker bush did in his secret confabs with Iranian dips in 1980.

"I think Chris Matthews is at the same point since he was yelling at a Dem. Rep yesterday because all the leaders in her party were cowards and voted for the war...: "

Please, refresh my memory. I don't recall Matthews being a voice against either the invasion of Afghanistan or Gulf Fiasco II. Did he oppose either of these wars ?

Jamie,

"Solar,

You might want to rethink using this comparison. Boys Town does remarkable work with abandoned and orphaned boys and girls"

So did the orphanages in Ireland ...since 1930 until they just recently got busted....seems like they abused quite a large number of the children, the good nuns were involved also....and you know that what I meant,that it was the opportunities for a shit pedophile priest...he would be very happy indeed.....as for the good that some organizations do in order to preserve their place in heaven.....they do a lot worse.....that said.... I hope that boys town stays on the right tract of helping those kids....we do need the benevolent one to take care of them....just a little skeptical of them as a whole....

Natasha,

No need for that credit card....save it for when you pick the place and the time..the meal....I need a bib no matter where I go...hope that I don't embarrass you .....but I can't tell which spoon to use sometimes...O found my glasses....now I can tell...we start with the big one...right?

I was a little busy, but thats the best time to sneak in that lunch call...when I do it to Pogo,,,and he lets out a carramba...it tickles me...and Im sure it goes for him also..when I don't like it...is when he gets in two in a row....then im a gonna watch out for him....see you next friday...remember your pick....I will be on my best behavior......................mmmm.......mmmmm....can't promise anything....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264212

isn't this the sort of thing that got the Dixie Chicks all that grief? If it is, how can we start to apply pressure on these clowns?

...snack....

does that count for anything? :-)

Wish I coulda stuck around to throw in $.02 worth this p.m., but between having to do some real work, and having to teach LP one of life's immutable lessons - don't choose corrogated cardboard for you homecoming float if the weather forecast is for rain - I had to be more or less absent. He'll probably learn another of those immutable lessons tonight - don't turn down Dad's offer of an umbrella just because you don't want to carry it around at the game if the weather forecast is for rain.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264218

immutable and imputable...

(^_~)

Pogo,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264217

Yes, it does. I saved a cpl of pieces of pizza and a soggy shrimp,,,but still very good....the least that I can do...:-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264105

"It would be a lot better if it were all Public Option and nationwide, but you take what you can get."

Jamie,
Thanks and I agree.It just sad that with a large Dem majority this is the best the Senate can do...Disappointing to say the least...

Hi Solar
Its so glad to see you back.I thought you were busy working.Hope your trip to Ohio brings you greater fortunes..You made some very good points today.I'm so disappointed in President Obama and the Dem's in Congress,not the change I voted for,but then I knew Obama would be this way.I just hope that things will improve with the economy..I missed you around here calling it like you it,your a complete joy!

hmmm, cold pizza, soggy shrimp - time warp to 1974. Who could pass that up?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/02/stephanie-birkitt-letterm_n_307558.html

hmmm - curioser and curioser.

No matter how tempted you might be to wring a right wing neck, don't do it. Today is global non violence day and Gandhi's birthday

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2009/09/happy-birthday-bapu-october-2.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264213

XR
I seem to remember Tweety saying he voted for Bush over Gore..I heard him say it on 'Hardball" around the time of 911..I don't ever remember him being against either of those wars..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264214

Solar,

Actually Father Flanigan warned about the Irish orphanages back when he was alive. He established Boys Town to be different than the orphanages in existence.

I have to be nice to Matthews today. He opened his show with Peter Allen and "I Go To Rio". Appropriate, but still I can't be upset for long with anyone who plays Peter Allen. :-)

XRepublican, There are some things listed in Bob's link that are a bit twisted. Obama called for an end to "continued Israeli settlements" and that is not "expanding settlements". I guess you missed that. The context of the Hoonduras situation is not fairly explained at Bob's source link. If you examine the facts and not spin, the Honduras Congress and Judicial branch and even the ex President's own Party supported his removal. Only Clinton seems the buffer in the adminsitration taking the Chavez track. Gee, don't we really want a mini-Chavez in Honduras? Once again we see a source that is unfair and unbalnaced, but that is NOT to say there isn't some truth in it. The anti-everything Obama is as stupid as the anti-everything Bush was. I would hope you would join me in distilling the truth from fiction and I too do not want the government to fail. Then we all fail. That is NOT the position many liberals had about Bush however. They so wanted Iraq to fail, they called it lost when it wasn't and called Patraus, "betray", us when he was actually an American hero. Where were you then X, joining the mob?

I was almost going to predict Brazil winning last night, but I was rather pissed that someone might want me to name my sources. It was actually common sense. I didn't think Europeans would be so impressed with STAR power and perhaps they weren't impressed with the extraordinary sacrifice Michelle made to hop a jet. It was simply that South America has never held the Olympics and there is much going on there of global importance. I am looking forward to seeing Americans bring home the gold, though my condolences to the citizens of Chicago. Maybe now Jarret and others can fix that housing project and take some action on the terrible plight of inner city youth.

Jefferson compared to Letterman? I rather doubt any comparison. Letterman seems to have several affairs with employees as he married his girlfriend of decades. Let's look at just of few swipes Letterman made of Bill Clinton. I rather doubt he joked about Jefferson:

"President Bill Clinton's autobiography is coming out next week. Clinton is going on one of those book tours in New York City next week and they are expecting huge crowds. So, to keep the crowd moving, he'll only sign one breast." —David Letterman

"Bill Clinton's new memoir has already had orders for 1.5 million copies. In fact, it's already in its third printing. The first two were stained." —David Letterman

"Don't kid yourself, this is disturbing. Stories coming out about degrading photographs, nude pyramids, sexual humiliation. Of course I'm talking about Bill Clinton's memoir." —David Letterman

Oh man,sorry for the type O's.I will try and go back to forced previewing,ha,try..

The joke's on you, Rio: The isn't going to BE a 2016.

heheh

http://www.gocomics.com/stuartcarlson/2009/09/30/

(sniff)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264227

Hey,hey Max,
Hope your well,get out there for a run! ha ha.Good point regarding Letterman,never been a fan but hypocrisy rules...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264230

Oh pogo.
Very good,very true...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264229

Hey Champ,
Been meaning to ask you,hows the guitar coming along?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264158

Jack, try and call HealthyNY. I have spoken to them repeatedly and they told me NYS contributes half of the payment to insurance providers and the recipient pays the other half. It was by speaking directly to the operators that I was told about this split.

When I called Empire and asked why there were limitations in coverage such as no physical therapy unless after a surgery, on one check up per three years, no non-emergency MRIs etc. they said "You can't expect low income coverage to give the same coverage as regular policies". I am just repeating whatr Empire told me on the phone. They consider it a form of assistance and the lower cost in some ways reflect lesser coverage.

I suggest you call HealthyNY. There number is at the top of the Website. In this case there are no sources, but I do remember reading some reviews of HealthyNY that did indicate this 50 50 split.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264233

The same. I still haven't ordered the finishing products... it's been hectic, lately.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264235

Oh yes,you have been busy and good for you..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264117

Once again Jack you post stuff that is crazy.

I am staring at a bill of $305, representing one month premium for HealthyNY cover for one individual for one month with drug coverage. I posted the prices from Empire Blue. Shall I ask my friend to mail you the cancelled check? Why be so obtuse? You want to bet me $5000 that is what HealthyNY with Empire costs a person in NYC with drug coverage? And as far as the 50/50 split. I have already told you who to call. If you were in NY, you could record the conversation and transcribe it for us as there is no two party recording law in my State. Based on what they told me regarding the split, I estimated the plan without the assistance to be around $600. This is not far from what a good HMO with little deductible costs for a single pay in the State of New York.

"While I am not familiar with any recent articles that
women may be outnumbering men in the work force,
that would not be a big surprise, in light of the continuing job losses of the 'recession'"

coreen, heard it from brian williams and just wanted to verify where he got it. not saying that i don't believe the veracity of nbc news :)
btw, he said the same thing you said as the reason.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264236

Thanks, man. It's not all roses on this side of the fence, though. I'm having difficulties like everyone else. "Fuck it", I say.

Well, I'm leaving - tony, if you go to Huffpo 23/6 you can view and vote on a bunch of cartoons from the week - it's actuallly a lot of fun.

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/

Jim Cooper: “Nobody’s Fought Harder” For Health Care Than Mike Ross (VIDEO)

What a bunch of SH*T!!

Jamie,

"Solar,

Actually Father Flanigan warned about the Irish orphanages back when he was alive. He established Boys Town to be different than the orphanages in existence. "

I don't think that you are helping your cause. The first thing that comes to mind..is if this flanigan dude knew about the abuses that were taking place ( he was here and just had an inkling about Ireland--HA!!!!) he is just as guilty as they all were...and it wasn't just happening in other countries...it was happening here a welll.......what did he say-warn of these abuses right here within our own shit priest....and the beat them until they learn something nuns........

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264239

"Fuck it", I say.
You so funny! I thought of you today and smiled.I was in McDonald's getting my iced tea and I had a conversation with a Libertarian Ron Paul supporter,very pleasant...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264240

Pogo,
Thanks,will do..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264231

Yeah, can't run at the moment as my heel still hurts from last weekend when I ran in the beautiful rain. I just love it when some here deny reality. I know exactly what HealthyNY costs as I may switch to it in a few months. There small business plan costs the same as single pay plans. They send me the quote. but Jack knows best. Ah.....

Anyway, don't like Letterman much either after the good old days. Not much of a comic or interviewer and yes, the consumate hypocrit. I wonder if Palin will roast him on the stump. Maybe his interest in her children is more than bad humor. You do know he has cigars too.

And I didn't post his Hillary jokes. I will say that I had a gut instinct that knew Chicago would lose. It is strange that so many who helped Obama and that would include Daley and his former deputy Jarret, ended up getting the shaft or running afoul of the law. Will respond to the last email. I have been a bit busy between here and reality.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264239

ditto big man. At least you have romance to fall back on. Not much beats that..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/sports/03obama.html?_r=1&nl=us&emc=politicsemailema1

"For Obama, an Unsuccessful Campaign"

"Rarely has a president put his credibility on the line on the world stage in such a personal way and been slapped down so sharply in real time. While Chicago may have lost to Rio de Janeiro for all sorts of reasons that had nothing to do with Mr. Obama, the fact that he made himself the face of the city’s bid invariably meant it would be taken as a stinging rejection of its favorite son."

"The defeat will be used as a political metaphor and raise painful questions. Why did he invest so much time, taxpayer money and, perhaps most important, presidential prestige in a losing effort? How did he misjudge the potential vote so badly that Chicago evidently was not even in the top tier? What does it say about a leader who may be far more popular abroad than his predecessor yet has trouble converting that esteem into tangible benefits for the United States?"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264245

Hey Max,
Sometimes we have to take a break from the exercise.I've seen your pics,your in great shape.Its hard though as we hate to lose ground.I tore my rotator cuff once,terrible time...

Posted by: maxtrue | October 2, 2009 5:02 PM :
" Where were you then X, joining the mob?"

Apparently, you are ranting at the wrong guy again.

1. I did not write anything regarding Honduras.
2.I have not written anything about the settlements except to mention that at least one of them is on land that the Arabs took from Jews in 1948. you stupid bastard.
3. I Did write a sentence that joined Letterman and Jefferson. I stand by my statement that both Jefferson and Letterman slept with their emplyees.
4. I did not bring up Letterman's jokes about Bill Clinton. However, you replayed them.

Get the facts straight. If you have to, get new glasses, stop smoking that crap. or get treatment for your dislexia.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/10/01/the_clinton_tapes/index.html

"Reading "The Clinton Tapes," thinking about Obama"

"There are some wonderful windows on policy triumph and disappointment: He depicts a stormy but funny meeting of Democratic senators to tell Clinton why they'll block any liberalization of policy on gays in the military. Robert Byrd leads off fulminating about the immorality of homosexuality, and Clinton tries to head him off by noting that adultery is immoral (ahem) but we don't dismiss military folks for cheating on their spouses. Sam Nunn raised the unit cohesion argument (there was a lot of discussion of those close quarters, especially on Navy ships!). Clinton observes Sen. Ted Kennedy on the sidelines: "I couldn't tell if Teddy was going to start giggling or jump out the window" as the talk turned to the bawdy, omnisexual practices of ancient Greek and Roman warriors."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264139

Max.......hey, i isnt sure, but I think youre responding to someone else again.....i know nossing about insurance.....

Solar,

I believe Fr. Flanagan knew about, and publicly objected to, the abusive physical punishments that were the norm in Irish Catholic orphanages. I was a young kid at the time, and remember a flap among our Irish-American neighbors about comments Flanagan had made regarding the Irish orphans' hard lives.

It is difficult for me to believe that he knew about the Child Sex Abuse. If he was brave enough to denounce the isolation punishments, starvations, and beatings, I'm sure that he would have also had the guts to denounce rape and sex slavery.

50 years later, the Boys and Girls Town is a safe haven for extremely vulnerable children.

So, republicans and blue dorks want low income folks all over the country to be able to get the same crappy
HealthyNY coverage. Then when they discover that the insurance is over-priced and only pays 50% with ridiculous restrictions, they have to phone from South Succotash to complain and get stiffed.

Meanwhile some sucker in NY, who just wised up to HealthyNY, buys coverage from Phlaibineight Insurance of South Succotash that'll skroo him the same way.

That's called competition.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264251

Strug I'm sorry. It was Jack who told me my friend pays $190 and not the $305 he actually does. I don't know why I keep picking on you of all people. Maybe I keep seeing cabinets in my head and think of you.

I will be more careful and have more coffee in the morning.

Posted by: TruthinReality | October 2, 2009 10:25 AM : "Graham is a moderate Republican, Beck is a Conservative. Big difference. However, to Liberals they are all the same."

So, moderates want to give everything to the military, read everyone's mail and listen to everyone's phone conversations, and post an armed guard at every cervix.

Whereas, conservatives are Mormon anarchists who think Blacks are subhuman, and who wants to take away Whskyjack's booze, Sturgeone's beer, and my wine.

Ya, they're so different they're like rotten apples and moldy oranges.

I left out the names of the real lushes, I meant no offense by doing so. Please forward your complaints about this matter to willard romney.

Max

I didn't say a damn thing about you friend
Now get off your butt read the link and tell me what the deal is , The number is real.
Your 600 number is pulled out of the air

Healthy ny pays no direct subsidy to the buyers of insurance. The only thing they would have been talking about a 50% payment of the fees is the requirement of employers to pay 50% of of the employees premium.

Looks like you got it all confused again.
I post the links earlier, read them get up to speed on your stuff.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264253

X what the hell are you gabbering about? HealthyNY is actually a decent plan. They pay for just about everything with little deductible or co-payment. It just isn't the Congressional plan. Though you only get a check up once every three years, you can see your doctor about anything any time. And those doctors who participate are the best. There are certain limitations but the price they charge is substantially less than regular single pay HMOs in NYC. New Flash: All Americans aren't going to be handed any gold plated healthcare coverage anytime soon. That is a function of Budgetary necessitiies and simple math.

My original point if that even matters to you was that this lower cost plan just covers the people from the poverty line to $24,000, which isn't much. And perhaps the insurance providers make that up in part by raising the price for the dude who pays for his HMO which is approaching $600 plus. They should increase participation while keeping a lid on how providers transfer their loss.

The idea if you forgot was to cover the uninsured (healthyNY approach isn't bad) and LOWER the cost of other medical insurance. How we do that is the debate, your strange comments not withstanding. I once had the best Cobra for a bit under $400 which covered everything including dental and optical four years ago. With some reform, this should go down, It is not that service was ever poor or unavailable, but that the costs were rising. States can do far more negotiating in plans like HealthyNY and although Jack might be right that NYS doesn't add another 50% to Empire, even $0% more makes such HMO coverage plans beyond the target of 10 - 16% of income.

Keep it up X, you're either terribly bored and half asleep, or you just spouting. If HealthyNY was such crap, I would hardly be considering it for a small business plan where there are no income restrictions. I bet more than a million would like this plan, especially compared to what others cost. HMAs however, might be even better. Again what Blue Dogs want is likely much different than Republicans or are you back to your old generalizations which you lecture others not to apply?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

VIDEO: Conservatives Erupt In Applause Over Chicago's Olympic Bid Failure...

Damn,this is so sick..What's wrong with the GOP? Wonder if President Obama still thinks he can win GOP support for anything? Do you get it now Mr. President????

I forgot to mention that both Phlaibineight and HealthyNY will cleverly and suddenly go out of business. They will then reappear for a few years under new and improved names, Phrawed of South Succothash, and WellHealed of Manahattan. They'll be selling the same old crap.

That's the competition that republicans and blue dugs will get you.

XR,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264252

Then Mr. Flanagan deserves my respect.....I don't, and won't call another man Father..is he isn't...just more brain washing to m e.....hey I truly like you historical stuff..lots of information ..without it being condescending....don't agree with it all, just like the next round of the Litany water wars....ready?

If I understood your lecture correctly, they premium is $305/mo, the copay is 50%, and there are many restrictions.

If that is what you meant, I don't think that is a bargain.

From what I've read of one blue dung idea, and what
I heard a board member of Health Partners & republican activist promoting at a recent political roundtable, they look pretty similar.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264117

Well is sure reads that you are telling my friend he pays $192 instead of the $305 he actually does from the very quote I posted from Empire Blue.

Once again read the friggin Empire HealthyNY price listing I linked.

Do you need glasses? I have already answered your remark about NYS subsidizing more than that payment, but on Monday morning I will call HealthyNY once again to point me to a link where the actual breakdown is listed and whether it is another 50%.

"You pay $305 and NYS contributes their half" was a direct quote of what the operator at HealthyNY has told me on more than one occasion. If they meant they negotiate out their half, it still remains that $600 is closer to the going rate for single pay HMOs which I can also confirm by quotations sent to my by Oxford, Empire Blue, United Health, Cigna, Aetna, GHI and others. $539, $575, etc etc . Maybe I can have my broker give you a call. They are full coverage low deductible HMO plans like Liberty. Single pay is likely to go up not down under the Obama plan unless targeted relief is due. Offering me some lesser plan for less money calling it competiton is hardly the solution.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-scarborough/thank-you-mr-president_b_308022.html

"Thank You, Mr. President"

"Chicago is a beautiful city that would have made a perfect backdrop for the Olympics. The President was right to fly to Copenhagen to try to land the games, not for the sake of his city, but for the good of his country. The fact President Obama failed makes me respect him more for taking the chance, and the fact many right-wing figures opposed the President's mission shows just how narrow-minded partisanship makes us all."

Max,

"I will be more careful and have more coffee in the morning. "

http://img42.imageshack.us/i/567659coffeepic.jpg/--just a little joky

Solar,
Hiya, Solar,

I hope that, in view of the co-operative water projects that Israel and Jordan are working on, you will also accuse the Jordanians of planning to steal the Litani River.

Liiiiitani.
How I love ya,
How I love ya,
My dear old Litani.

Christ. The premium is $305 per month. One pays only $20 for visits and drugs. There are very few other deductibles like $50 for ER visists. $500 for hospitals stays. It is actually decent coverage. I was told this is much cheaper than available HMO plans BECAUSE NYS negotiates and subsidizes. Jack may be right about how much the State pays out, but as I said, HealthyNY said they CONTRUBUTE another 50% added to the provoder along with my monthly premium. I did not reserach this State contribution amount because $600 in total would be close to what Empire BLue in fact charges for single pay HMO plans in NYC with similar but a little better coverage.

I sure hope that explains because I am depleted of bandwidth ladies and gentlemen. I will recharge with dinner.

XR,

What is it about all you historical people...living only in what is being done today, as if the past never happened....the Litani song was great.

Hey can you do me a big favor.....Im going out to lunch next week with Coreen ( Natasha) I think that it is just the two of us?? knowing her, it will be someplace special, and Im even going to wear shoes....can you show me how to use the right utensils, U know , clean me up a little ...I would ask Chloe,,,but don't want her to know about it.....shhhh

Solar very funny and Tony, later......

Jack read before repsonding and X, I think you get it now. It isn't that WA plan or HealthyNY plan are bad, they aren't. My point that these can also drive up costs for single pay plans for those above the cut off point of $24,000. This might make them fall back into poverty or gamble with higher deductible plans. There are other solutions for them, perhaps Medical savings accounts etc. but the better the plan and more they are subsidized for the lowest end, the more Lower Middle the Middle Class is hurt.

That led me to my morning obeervation of a Democratic healthcare collage which they don't even want to post on the internet for public review. We'll have to sort it out after the fact and since nothing will be effective ASAP, the Republicans can spin it to their advantage in a year. This has been a real mess and I wouldn't point the finger at Blue Dogs but the conductors......I can only imagine the great bill Pelosi would have liked to jam through had it not been for this two month debate she didn't want.

Okay. Please, extend my apologies to the entire HealthyNY family.

So, the companies that are in competition are Phlaibineight of South Succotash and WellHealed of New York, not to be confused with HealthyNY.

I have glasses, thank you. Also, regarding that info on HeathyNY you shared, it must have been for someone else. You see, I never asked you the details about your insurance policy.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264267

That is completely funny Solar if true. You are a laugh...

X, it isn't my Healthcare plan yet and it was actually brought up this morning by me in regard to Tony's questioning Jamie about a similar option in WA. It is an important element in the healthcare puzzle and I merely set out some concerns when I offered this two month ago as part of a healthcare solution. Used effectively as Cantwell believes, can better the Healthcare mix.

Sorry about the glasses remark. From all my typos it seems I need them more than you. Where's that damn pizza? Later boys......

Max,

I was going to ask Tony, but he is always busy with his armadillos....but he probably would have insisted that I wear socks.....I don't care how great Natasha is..im not wearing any...unless she does also...same kind (mens socks..gotta get that clear...she is a lawyer, and would have found some way around it...the ugly word hose comes to mind..) that I wear...Oh, and you are so serious,,.,,,that you don't know when someone is kidding around a little...take a serious break..and do a cpl of jokes...know any?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264272

Oh yes,those damn dillo's!! What's the point of having them around if they can't eat the Chinch bugs? My front lawn is terrible in spots the result of a Chinch bug attack,damn Dillos's.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264123

Jamie the WA plan is quite different than HealthyNY. First they want monthy income before deductions and if you make more than $24,000 a year or more you don't qualify. I assume contractors who deduct would have a problem. I haven't reviewed the basic plan, but assume it is less coverage than HealthyNY. So for everyone subjected to the HealthyNY debate, it is similar in approach with WA in that it brings private providers together, but the two are aimed at different sectors. HealthyNY is relief for Low income people and small business (no cap on income rates). I suggest together they are a good net for all near poverty up to $24,000. It would great to expand it upwards to $30,000 or more with reginal adjustments because $30,000 doesn't go to far in NYC, but might work in WA where cost of living is lower. They could adjust rates as one has more income, but still come under the expensive single pay plans.

This note was for Jamie who was nice enough to post some links in this discussion. Don't anyone else bang your heads or go crazy. My food has arrived.......

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264221

Solar,
I don't know if you saw my comment posted to you earlier?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264272

I posted my Letterman jokes above Solar. I have some dirty ones, but not for here. Craig will get angry.

I was hoping you were serious. It would explain so much...lol

I was going to tell you to make sure to clip your toe nails and wash under your arms. Some new underwear is in order too.

If you don't have dental floss try googone but don't swallow it. As for her being a lawyer, tell her your record is not too long and doesn't include anything violent.

That was about as funny as I get. What a long week. Stella for me tonight as this GOd damn building finally has gas after 6 months/ How much do I pay? You see Solar, your Hillbilly joke was actually a fantasy of mine tonight. Survivor would be a vacation at this point. Ah, to have no responsibilities under a moonlight sky. At this rate I will have to work through retirement and build my own casket.

And I just wanted to play music........

Max

Sadly the only person not reading links here is you.

As I said earlier this after noon if you had even read my link from this morning, you could legitimately rag on me

Dammit Solar,

When I got to " it will be someplace special, and Im even going to wear shoes" I spilt coffee all over the keyboard. Uh, maybe 'spit' is more accurate, but the point is the same - you are dangerously funny.

You could write the joke that won the war.

Utensils use the outer ones first, the inner ones are for the next course. However, as table ware is removed, keep the knife until desert is finished, just in case someone jumps you. The round spoon is for soup. The oval spoon is for coffee. The short fork with one funny tine is is for salads (actually the funny tine is for fish). Don't use your knife or fork for picking your teeth. Have fun and don't come home pregnant.

Too much multitasking Jack sometimes in the morning. It is really unimportant now. In fact the whole back and forth had nothing to do with my orignal intent.....

I just have to learn to walk away from this keyboard when the debate isn't very important. Or to put it another way, if I don't have the time to read everything and reflect, it doesn't make sense to debate.....

Have a drink. I am and don't think anything of it. Life is short and shorter the older you get. Sad but absolutely true.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264242

Solar,

I was going to say something when I realized that you didn't know anything about Father Flanigan, but I see XR has filled you in a little bit.

Here is the Wikipedia about him if you would like to read it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_J._Flanagan

Or you can just do the easy thing and watch "Boys Town" starring Spencer Tracy & Mickey Rooney. It's a good movie won Oscard and everything. Here's the You Tube trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNqFqinW32Y

Maxtrue,

OK. Regarding health insurance. Do yourself a favor and don't get sick.

Even w/coverage, sick sux.

Getting a lawyer pregnant could be scarey and reeeeaaally expensive.

You'll let us know if she's easy, right ?

Tony,

No I didn't see it...and thanks for the nice words.....I will send you a long e-mail about what is going on with me...it has been a while since i wrote to you...I saw that post that you made about the weather where you live.

Don't think that I didn't know that you were baiting me.....would have worked wise ass...if it was a little colder here, or in a cpl more months...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264281

X, from the time I got out of college, for the next twenty or so years, I never went to the doctor/had insurance and only some outtings with the dentists. I used the ER a few times. During the end of that stretch I did get NASE insurance and used it once, but they failed to cover more than a quarter of my bill. The last five years I have had great coverage at great personal expense only to protect myself from bankruptcy should misfortune come. Those of us living on the edge need that protection or face destitution.

The odd thing is that I have only wished for health and peace on earth for myself and loved ones when I've felt the need to wish. God has seen fit so far to grant me one of two. I wouldn't trade health for a million dollars.

You are completely right as so far fortune has spared me the pain of sickness. It has been years since I even had a cold. Insomnia is about it. And maybe some reading glasses. That is why I find Lard such a complete mensch. I have no clue how I will deal. I can only hope to have half the courage he has and from the sound of it X, half the persistance you have.

XR,

Nothing of the kind.....if Coreen were ever to have lunch with me...it would be a pleasure, and completely platonic...I left a little teasing opening for her...so she could have fun telling me....something like You wish..or something that would make it fun....but at no time would I ever step over the line...on purpose...all of the women here at tm are some of the best examples of women to be respected...Coreen rates right there on top.....sorry if I was leading the way to the wrong thing...just a nice lunch club...and Im awful glad that she plays along...

XR

"Don't use your knife or fork for picking your teeth. Have fun and don't come home pregnant."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU6DqMyFDOU

American Police Force official has extensive criminal record

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_8c78ef7a-ae3e-11de-a00d-001cc4c002e0.html

I keep looking for more info on the Hardin Montana Prison story. This is about the private police who are getting the contract for the prison?

This was in the Missoulian

Yet , Max by playing the debate game instead of discussing you missed out on an important piece of information.

Why is a poor person from western NewYork paying a third less than your buddy? Cost of living doesn't account for all of it.

Jack

Colorado Bob..I will take in the zombie movie..I like zombie movies even when they are bad..

Jamie,

Thanks...I did see that movie...liked it too. I did know about Flanagan, but not much......I don't ever take movies to be the truth...maybe some bases for it...but not the truth...they are made to draw you into watching them...same for books of fiction, based on truth...no accurate, even if they are entertaining...

Mickey Rooney, one of my favorits from when he did those high school movies...to when he did the blk stallion....my bro. Manny. is his twin...down to the way that they walked and talked...never read anything bad about him.....nice man..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264287

Ree

Up above I posted a link to TPM where they had captured the web pages for the Amrican Police Force.
before they were taken down.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264281

Jack, I long ago when I first discovered HNY I saw the various regional anomalities. I thought perhaps that Western New York was poorer and had more of a pool so their rates were lower. What I told HNY last week when eyeing their small business plan -same price and coverage, I said, "but lower income people and small bsusiness people need a better premium rate in NYC than people do in areas with a lower cost of living". She laughed.

I suspect that hospital and doctor rates are higher in NYC, but then that contradicts volume lowering the price. There could also be mortality and death statistic that play a role, but it is shady.

What's your take?

About 20 years ago I saw Mickey Rooney with Ann Miller in Sugar Babies when they performed in Portland.

We were fortunate to have front row seats and I can't think of anyone I've seen in person who worked as hard as Mickey..perhaps Liza Minnelli.

I love old show biz types because they work their rear ends off for the audience instead of just taking in the worship like so many do today.

The previous paragraph makes me sound awfully old..

Friday, my writing is unusually bad....sorry.

btw
Max

Thanks for posting about HealthyNY, I enjoyed researching it today.
A limited program that has potential if KISS was applied to it.
I would still like to find some better numbers.

Jack

President Obama..You did well in Copenhagen. You should be proud to have the enemies you do.

Oh no..the Grand Old Party is so bad they are making me defend Obama.

Solar

Most of "Boys Town" the movie was fictional though some of the historical material of the first downtown location and then getting the acreage was pretty accurate. They used the campus for filming and the boys as extras.

This is a good fun site about the place and the movie

http://www.boystownmovie.org/StoryBehind/index.asp

For anyone wanting to read about different states dealing with insurance for the working poor. This link that I posted earlier is a good read
http://www.hrsa.gov/stateinsurance/newyork.htm

Jack

Jamie,

Are there/were there any Republicans, or Democrats in boys town...or do we just make them.....in our homes-brain wash them into thinking as we do....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/10/graham-slams-beck.html#comment-264295

Agreed Jack and remember, HNY can change terms whenever they want which is unacceptable. They can decide tomorrow to eliminate MRI or vaccines.

I see two plans here today that can figure into the mix. I 100% understand the status quo can't go on. I simply cannot pay $700 per month for one or $1400 for two, nor can I stand to see so many risking life with no coverage.

I think in the heat of debate some miss that and what is most visiblly lacking from the Repubs is their PASSIOn like Jamie's to really improve things NO MATTER THE PLAN. They are so iffy about it, or at least most are which is a terrible strategic mistake on their part. A bad future for us if the defeat any Healthcare.

OD, Michelle not so much, but good for Obama. He had no chioce but to go and Repubs are silly. I wouldn't have involved Jarret however and the link to terrible housing corruption. I am amazed Obama made it through the Chicago machine relatively clean and intact. That was a feat in itself. Obama had a good week finish for a change despite Chicago losing (I don't think they had a chance) the unemployment numbers, Afghanistan pressure, Honduras, Healthcare, Gitmo, etc...etc....

Now watch Maher cream him tonight.

Jack, thanks for the link. If you could see my place in the morning, you would understand.

Well, I guess I'm sufficiently recovered from my vacation to come out of my hidey-hole. For some reason I've been reticent about taking part. I had trouble getting online while in Strawberry and it must have put me off my stride. But I'm back, lucky you!!!!!

I have been having trouble with my Capital One card, being declined for several things lately. I've talked with them several times and it didn't seem to work so I called straight to the fraud department and got an account supervisor. They had me ona list of "suspicious" charges - I tried to send money to UNICEF for the floods in the Philippines! Giving money to charity is suspicious! I told her to note by my name that I donate to charities online all the time, and the only donations that could be suspicious from me would be to the Republican party. That cracked her up big time - she kept telling me I made her day. Then I said I also wouldn't give money to the Dems or politicians, but only to causes like Planned Parenthood. Can you believe a complaining phone call to a credit card company ended in laughter?

I'm so glad Letterman handled it the way he did! He gave a world-wide example of how to deal with your own mistakes when someone tries to hit you on the head with them - TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for them and then let the idiot try to explain why he's not a crook.
I don't know of anyone I would believe had never fooled around, except maybe you XR after your wonderful post some time back.

As for KO, no matter what, I will never be able to forgive or forget what he did and said about Hillary Clinton, and I doubt he will ever be strong enough to admit he was way out of line (Tweety, too, but then....), and intellectual honesty and strength is a required quality for me. He's weak - see, Letterman did take responsibility but KO never will even to himself. Otherwise I can stand to watch him at times now.

The vacation in Strawberry was wonderful but chaotic as hell. There were kids there most of the time and they went crazy. At a cookout over a big fire, Alex asked me to tell him a story, so I told him about Hercules cleaning out that damned stable. The 5 year-old put his head in his hand and laughed and asked if the really believed that cuz it sounded like a superstition.

I only fell twice - once by sliding on some gravel going down to the fire pit, and once when sweet little Liam tried to sneak past me to get inside, and ended up hooking his foot around my ankle so I couldn't move.
I got quite a fascinating bruise on my left calf from that as I hit really hard. It was my better-leg-with-a decent-knee so no harm.

One last thing was our birthday party on a party boat on Pinecrest Lake. There are several nesting pairs of osprey there and we were enjoying watching them. I saw three of them acting funny and commented that they seemed to be fighting. Then they flew right overhead and I saw the third one was bigger and had a black body with white head and tail! I screamed that it was an eagle and darned if it wasn't! WOW!

All right, I'll shut up now.

Oh, yeah, did I read somewhere we can buy Craig's book and get it signed and returned to us?

Solar

Well they run their own government and elect officers to help run Boys Town. I don't think they have parties though they do campaign.

Here's the alumni site, so you can follow up on some of the graduates

http://www.boystownalumni.org/

It now serves more than 17000 boys and girls in 14 states. Since this conversation sort of started about sexual abuse, you might want to read this case study to see what the children who are finally safe have gone through to get there.

https://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=1338

One last thing Jack because I have got to go. Small-business plans at HNY are the same rates and coverage regionally as single pay plans, yet there is no income cap on small-business eliibility. Anyone can apply. So what does that tell you about the rate structure? Very odd. When you catch me next time, please tell me your conclusion.

A wonderful read Bethy....

There is one thing however.

"I'm so glad Letterman handled it the way he did! He gave a world-wide example of how to deal with your own mistakes when someone tries to hit you on the head with them."

I'm not so sure joking about it the way he did, even joking about what he had done was the best example, but I'm all for standing up to extortion and it undoubtedly showed some courage if not a bit of bad taste. Just my take, so don't fret.....

Glad you weren't injured.

Nite you all.....

Max One thing might be the way NYS subsidizes the plans. Working from memory here. The insurance companies cover all the expenses up to $5000 then the state does what they call a reinsure up to ? around $100, 000. then the Insurance company takes the rest of the risk.
So the burden of preventitive care falls on the HMO and preventitive care is labor intensive so the higher cost of living in NYC would show up.
Either that or they are cuthroad swindlers out to gouge you for every dollar they can!!!.

Max have a good evening the wife is home and she has been on the road all week so I out of here.

Solar, did you get the email?

Jack

''Then they flew right overhead and I saw the third one was bigger and had a black body with white head and tail! I screamed that it was an eagle and darned if it wasn't! WOW'

cool

Jack,

Yes I did, and thank you. Im still getting some info. for the MBE that I will be using for the DOT...and then Im good,,will write to you about it some time later on...thanks again.

XR,

Im not in a serious mood,,,so I will post that Litani stuff tomorrow...had a a fun time talking to you ..thanks

Jamie,

"Solar

Well they run their own government and elect officers to help run Boys Town. I don't think they have parties though they do campaign."

That was my point: No party's just the competition to do a better job than the next, for its own city. When I worked at a place called Western Electric...we had the same thing...a city within a city..it was a great place to work.....we held competitions for the ones that wanted to be u nion reps, and department reps...thanks

Hey Teach, nice to have you back....want a nice apple....:-))

Geez Solar,

Can't leave you own your own for long! That's why I count on Chloe to keep you in line.
Bullwinkle always gets in trouble without Rocky.

Places where we lunch---- shoes - mandatory; socks - not so much. But good table manners a must.

Anyway, no harm, no foul. Your efforts to add a bit of
humor & lightness are a welcome addition always.

And yes you are 'dangerously funny'---and that's a good thing.

It would be a pleasure (& an adventure I'm sure) if we really did manage to meet for lunch.

If you missed Rachel tonight, you have to see the wild sex video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastchancetosee/sites/map/new_zealand/new_zealand_south

Ha! Jaime, It's not available in my area - wonder what they're afraid I'll do!

What kind of apple, Solar? I especially like winesaps.

Question: How will they have summer Olympics in Rio when it's winter down there in the summer?

Coreen,

Thanks for taking the heat off. Yep, Im always in a little bit of trouble, but that's life for me...and a lot of fun. I have always been very serious about work, and about life in general...but at the same time...see a lot of opportunities to have some fun...my table manners are fine (four sisters made sure of that) I wear matching socks, some say that I tie the best Windsor knot on a tie, (used to have my own tux a long time ago, my bro., in law gave me his)...but I don't wear them, unless its important..
I would wear one with you and Chloe, but would probably take it off, as soon as I felt comfortable...Yeah, Chloe does a good job of keeping me in line......don't know what I would do without her....probably get myself into more trouble....and the pleasure would be mine....thanks

Teach,

I have to see what my talking snake has-what kind of apples....you see we always run out of em.........

"I would wear one with you and Chloe, but would probably take it off, as soon as I felt comfortable."

Say what??

Coreen, You're right. I can't leave him alone for a minute, and he's got himself in trouble again. Just the way he likes it.

".probably get myself into more trouble....and the pleasure would be mine."

..see, he said so himself.

A tie, A tie. man o man.!!!

Oh, I thought you said you were going to wear a tux to lunch. I thought that was a little bit of an overkill.

Bethy

Try this link

http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/09/last_chance_to_see_kakapo_parr.php

Bethy, It sure is nice to see you back posting again.
We missed you. Welcome back.

59, 58, 57
nite

Hey.!!

Your playing my game,,,using your own words against you......picky, picky

http://img3.imageshack.us/i/fx5101pickypickyposters.jpg/

Sheesh Finally found the sex video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY

I think the US screwing around with the television rights to the Games left the committee so pissed that we couldn't have got the Olympics if Jesus had showed up on our team.

Bethyboo, Good question. From wiki:

"the average annual temperature is 23°C (73.5°F)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro

During our winter, their summer averages 90 degree F. Our summer, their summer May -Sept, it averages in the 70-80.

Being so near to the equator I guess it's no problem. Great place for snow birds.

If it was the winter olympics, a different story.:-)

...a shame...waterwalking is such a great event!

I'm watching a special on MSNBC about Letterman's career. I've laughed at him for so many years. He has become nicer as he has aged. I hope I have too..

My older brother left home the day of high school grad­u­a­tion and I only saw a cou­ple glimpses of him dur­ing the next nine years from 1965 to 1974, as he worked at many jobs to get through BSU in Muncie, while work­ing as a brake­man on the rail­road in East Chicago in the sum­mers, and then teach­ing school in Ohio and the Gary area.
When David Let­ter­man got his own show , a morn­ing show in 1980, I called my brother ‚and in pass­ing men­tioned this funny guy on NBC, David Let­ter­man. My brother then said he knew a David Let­ter­man at Ball State back in the 60s. They were in rival fra­ter­ni­ties, no big deal.…

XR --
I usually like what you write, I'm sure it was a joke, but it was in poor taste. Sorry.

and now some words for Glenn Beck from Craig's fave Founder:

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. " -----Benjamin Franklin

OD, I absolutely agree with you re Letterman. He has become so relaxed as the years have gone by and he became a father. I do hope that horror stories don't come out about him and the women. Frankly, I'm not surprised at the idea he had sex with women who worked for him.

Does anyone watch Criminal Minds? I'm amazed at the bloodiness of this show.

Bethy

I really like Criminal Minds. Of course tonight is Numbers.

Jaime, I really love Numbers, but I'm afraid they're gonna lose Peter McNicol. I think he adds a lot to the show.

I've started to watch Criminal Minds to see what the difference is between the Mandy Patinkin days and the show since he left because I read that there were some arguments over the "direction" of the show. So far I think I prefer the Patinkin ones. I'm just surprised that it's not a 10 o'clock show given the bloody scenes they have.

My hay is calling me. I have to go hit it.

Woo hoo it's the First Saturday Morning in October !!...

good morning, mr. pong, and welcome to oct the twoth.

Oct the threeth

Bethy

CM has become more of an action show. I preferred the Patinkin era myself, but it is still good.

I keep wondering why Numbers is on so late. I know some of the subject matter can be rough but it is rarely violent visually and I love the language level.

Retro Question.. Murder She Wrote with Angela Lansbury..(spelling?).. Yes or No ?

Off for the bike ride to fight that bad stuff in the blood - (of course the hot dog at the Airport yesterday did not help but sure taste good !!)

Ping,

Just passing through on my way out of town, but I'd give Murder She Wrote a thumbs up.

It was probably on the air for three years or more before I paid any attention to it, but I guess Angela and the show eventually grew on me.

Not must see TV, but entertaining nonetheless.

new thread. new thread y'all

yes it is oct thrice isn't it. thanks, jamie, seems i lost a day there somewhere.

Sounds like Graham, Brooks, et. al., got hold of Sam Tenenhaus' "The Death of Conservatism", which provides a succinct explanation of just how sick modern conservatism is. Or maybe they sense that violence could be on the way, stoked by Beck, et.al., and want to dissasociate themselves from it?

NEW THREAD