Re the comments made in the last thread about the paucity of Black and Jewish political leaders in UK, FR, RUS, & Brazil :
1. Anglicans are not Jews any more than Hindus are. The Tory, Disraeli, was Church of England, having been converted by his parents when he was about 6.
2. France has had 2 Jewish Premiers in the last 75 years in the mid 30s and the mid 50s. Among modern nations, only Israel has selected more Jews for the highest office.
The matter is more one of curiosity than substance. It is like insisting that Bangla Desh India & Pakistan are 'behind the curve' because they never chose Dalit or Sihk leaders. In fact, India has chosen a Sihk leader.
You have gone from the absolute statement of billions supposedly going to ACORN to "eligible for" and "might get" despite the fact that ACORN has never applied for the type of funds in the Stimulus bill, had not made any application for the current funds, and state they had no plans to do so.
This is the sort of thing that drives me right up the wall. A possibility is not the same as a fact.
I'm not denying that some of the ACORN employees may have committed fraud. Of course I happen to believe that there is just as much fraud on the other side of the political spectrum though it is usually corporate, military, and religious just by the nature of the adherents.
Just to clear up stuff from the last thread DL. It was the totality of facts I was listing to support my “liberalness”.. Now I don't know your background DL, but I suspect you did not have the radically Liberal approach I had coming out of college. I basically followed a fairly Spartan antimaterialistic antiestablishment approach to life. I often charged what people could afford for my services. I wrote a song for Cindy L called “Only love can change the world”…LOL. Yesterday I repaired and rehung a beautiful glass ceiling light for $75 including the trip to the supply store because the client was out of cash. Is generosity Liberal? Yes, when so many here characterize conservatives as greedy capitalists. There is nothing in my history that comes close to endorsing conservative values, candidates (except this last cycle), conservative lifestyle etc. Please, a show of hands for those who are and were "starving artists".
I became business like and incorporated only six years ago. My fantastic accountant is a proud guy from St. Lucia whose clientele is 95% black. Given the picture I was forced to paint after months of claims I am a conservative, I don't think the things I listed were either desperate or inconsequential. I wanted to show why I am angry about the unintelligent characterizations of me being a conservative. It doesn’t hurt but it is a cheap way to marginalize. I rather doubt many here lived quite as Liberal a lifestyle I have right down to my contempt for greed and the blind pursuit of material things.
Solar, thanks. I know my posts often sound conservative because a Liberal Hawk is a rare bird. My view on healthcare echoes Obama's original intent to fix the system, not replace it. I have moved center in an effort to rationally deal with bridging the Parties so we can get something friggin done. No one here is going to exile half our conservative population and it doesn't matter there is an extreme Right or Left as long as they are reasonably marginalized. I have long admired some aspects of Carter and don't deny he is a decent fellow, but his perception on various subjects greatly annoys me and his last comment is destructive to "getting things done".
As for today, when I see talking points like "Republicans are racist", my heart tells me to speak up and tell Democrats how many times I encountered startling racist attitudes from Russians, Chinese, Latin, Indian, Arab and yes, even Israeli immigrants who call themselves Liberals or Democrats. To compare Republicans to the Taliban is counterproductive. Ideology should stop at the border of truth. I will never impact conservatives, though I befriended some these last years on moderate sites such as Stubborn Facts. And they showed me some facts I never knew. My only effect can be among fellow Liberals who will blow this chance to change things by being unrealistic, unpragmatic and at times as religiously blind and arrogant as conservatives can be.
This will be the last time I explain or defend my credentials. Despite my lack of wealth, I give money every month to the DNC and NEVER the GOP. I suggest personal values are never defined by ephemeral talking points or distant and elusive goals, but by the bipartisan and tough effort to meet in the middle for the sake of progress and domestic tranquility.
Thanks for tolerating this thread's first "too long" post. I can only guess why Craig avoided Carter. Maybe he too sees it as a painful diversion Carter should have avoided......
President Carter...the overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward Preswident Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man...
It is nice to see a brave, forthright President. Carter is right on the mark. I reject the " it is not politically smart" routine. Carter is a great man who is telling a needed truth. President Obama could learn something from this great, principled man!
Chloe:
re: your comments on the last thread about "gold, guns, and gardening equipment."
I really do think that if the Supreme Court allows unrestricted corporate donations to political campaigns the economic result will be a DISASTER. Within a short time corporations will OWN every politician at the federal, sate, and local levels.
Corporations will demand, and get, wholesale deregulation of business. Say goodbye to...
* environmental protection laws
* workplace anti-discrimination laws
* minimum wage laws
* unemployment compensation
* labor laws (unions will be illegal)
* laws against hiring illegal aliens
* product safety laws
* the right of people to sue corporations ("tort reform")
* Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid
and, finally, the most dangerous...
* regulation of financial markets
As the current recession, which was caused by a crash of the financial system demonstrates, if you de-regulate financial markets, then those markets will eventually implode bringing down the whole economy.
"I have long admired some aspects of Carter and don't deny he is a decent fellow, but his perception on various subjects greatly annoys me and his last comment is destructive to "getting things done".~~Max
That is a very good way of expressing your frustration and disagreement, Max. Thank you. And if I offended you by expressing my dislike of the way you expressed those thoughts early, my sincerest apologies.
What most "de-regulate business" advocates don't seem to realize is that many regulations are designed to protect businesses from OTHER businesses.
Example: (uninspected) contamninated meat sold to a restaurant can cause food poisoning and kill the restaurant (and the customers, but who cares about them.)
The reason that anti-trust laws were passed in the USA in the late 1800s was that BIG monopolistic businesses were harming SMALL businesses. This is the origin of the phrase "Wall Street vs "Main Street."
"Main Street" doesn't mean families, it means small businesses, that are typically are found on every local "Main Street."
If we get full de-regulation of business, then businesses will be fighting other businesses in a Darwinian struggle for survival, until a complete financial crash returns all of us to the stone age.
Jamie, one last remark about ACORN from the last thread for now.
It was clear that Democrats wanted to reward ACORN and we all know the connections to Obama. I can provide some links later. Many "experts" saw the wording in the Stimulus Bill as paving the way for ACORN to apply for billions in funds and yes, 8.6 was about the maximum such applications would yield. Do you think there WAS resistance against ACORN getting such money from Congress?
Let us be honest here. The Democratic Congress and administration loves ACORN and has thwarted efforts to investigate. So please don't be so nit picking on the issue of how much ACORN COULD get under the Stimulus Bill. I never said ACORN recieved 8.6 billion. If it is more than a million many Americans would have a problem with that and many Democratic politicians I suspect would be nervous about JD investigations. As the tape shows, one ACORN employee in California was to explain to a pimp, how he could take his prosititute'ss money (from illegal under aged girls from El Salvador) and funnel it back into a campaign for the "pimp" to run for elected office. Quite stunning, yes? I have been told that the statistics involved in how many offices visited v taped criminal suggestions goes well beyond the random chance that bad apples exist everywhere. This is why there has been such a strong reaction. Media completely ignored public pressure to investigate in the past. Can you explain why? Instead they would trot out an ACORN official who denied anything was wrong and cried the Republicans were out to get them. Now I know why that was a fear..........
No Fairweather, someone here has to keep me in check. I just hope you show up when the more extreme Liberals start making far more derrogatory remarks about their favorite villians on the other side.
I do appreciate you helping me get a handle on this morning's rage over continued diversions, stupidity and tactical errors.
Still don't agree with hardly anything you say Max...so put em up...now. You keep talking about spy's, agents of countries, and I don't for one minute doubt that this is true....where and how many do the Israeli's have, what is their mission...and is AIPAC one ( agents, and spies) of them?..you don't have to answer that last one....they are.!!!! later..
Nash, of course you are quite correct and most conservatives I know do support necessary regulation. In fact, I do not know of anyone who supports completel deregulation. I thought regulation was the perfect place for Obama to launch his pitch, defining change in a non-ideological case for regulation reform. This framework could then serve as a template for energy, healthcare, enviroment, banking, trade etc. He finally got to that a few days ago from Wall Street and not a bad start that should have come almost a year ago. CPA isn't a bad idea.
The American idea is supposed to be the greatest business competition within appropiate regulations that provide third party verification, environmental and worker/consumer protections, unlawful behavior and truth in advertizing. Most Americans support and following close to public opinion is critical in the hard task of reform.
Another time Solar, but I would agree that Israel and America do not always have exactly the same agenda on everything. If Obama wants to flush out Israeli spies in the US, then perhaps he should outsource the Russians who seemed to have flushed them out of Lebanon for Hizb;Allah.
I explained a little bit of history to my son, and nephew the other day: They were surprised that Wall St. was up and running even before we had our revolution. That there were about 18 different languages that traded in it.....18 different nationalities, and that the Dutch were the ones that started Wall St.
I don't know for sure, but I feel 99% sure that what you said here was true then also.....thanks.
I do have a question for you, or anyone: I seem to remember that when I was watching Wall St special, that Susan Herra hosted, that it was said that at one time: Wall street bailed the government out with huge loans....some of my freinds think that Im totally worn about this....that is was just the other way around...I do know that we have bailed them out before....but this sticks in my mind......
The point is that there was a totality of money available to myriad groups not just ACORN. None of that money went to ACORN. ACORN had not applied for any of that money. IOW, all those billions to "reward" ACORN were for the most part a pipe dream of the right wing.
Just as they name things and then lie about what those things actually do. So do they invent scenarios and then perpetuate them as facts without any underpinning of fact.
I don't deny that ACORN might have received favorable consideration because to the Democratic and Presidential associations. The key word there is "might". Under a Republican president all sort os organizations "might" have received favorable consideration. Which ones actually "DID" and "might" deserve investigation is a completely different matter.
Nash,
I don't know exactly what you are referring to, but Wall Street has pretty much always been ready to finance American wars, sometimes both sides at once.
Being a bit more radical than myself, I am sure Solar, you see the wisdom in staying way from ideological labels. I think Jamie has found the backdoor on eventual single pay healthcare structure with her take on the worker comp mess. I hope we visit that inurance problem eventually. If we could make the case against the wasteful and fradulents costs, the lack of reasonable regulation, we could avoid the predictable partisan characterizations of efforts at reform.
OD, Carter suggesting some in the Republican base are racist needs little amplification. That it pertains to the healthcare debate or the poll numbers is at best debatable and at worst highly destructive. As I said, to think Liberals are without racist attitudes would be dishonest. Obama supporters were quick to make that claim on the Clinton camp.
Jamie, Bush promised billion to religious organizations to give out, but that never happened. Many Republicans suspected Bush was just lying to get religious support.
ACORN is far more connected to present Democratic election strategies. I am sure the window will close on ACORN, but the pipe dreams for ACORN's success is much more loudly hailed by Democrats than were the pipe dreams of Bush by Republicans. Let's audit ACORN and investigate before they even get their hands on 1 billion. I rather doubt that were ACORN to stand for "Action Committee to Organize a Republican Nation" (which is much to do about ACORN), your spin would be entirely different and Anon would see them as the gate keepers for eventual detention camps.
As we have seen in other bills, money goes out before the public is alerted. In ACORN's case, it will not happen. The failure of Durbin and others to vote to suspend money until investigations are completely speaks volumes. I rather doubt religious groups would actually be caught on camera they way ACORN was. I saw numerous stories last summer where ACORN registers admitted to pushing many to register as Democrats. Again, the Democrats would be fuming were this reversed. I want fairness and that also means shutting down any unfair or illegal attmepts by the GOP to mimic ACORN.
Jamie, he must know that BreitBart is going to drop another tape bomb on Hannity tonight and suggests many many more tapes with even worse behavior. If this happened at a Japanese corporation with dozens of terrible tapes, the head CEO would kill himself with a sword.
I am dying to hear the excuse from ACORN their not even knowing how many more disgusting tapes BB has left to play.
I suppose that is the difference between us. You base your opinions on suppositions and I prefer to wait for the actualities.
Of course I also consider Hannity a suspect source under any circumstances. A great deal of what BreitBart has is undoubtedly accurate (I've witnessed similar financial padding activities by groups on the receiving end of governmental largess), I also don't put it past him to slant material overdub and naturally omit anything where he was turned down or the people behaved legitimately.
Of course, AIPAC has been used by Israel to spy. Just as Aramco has been used by Saudi Arabia, IBM and Ford were used by nazi Germany, the Boys Scouts and Girl Guides were (are?) used by the British, the Ile de France by the French, Aeroflot and Ziv by the russians, and ATT and GTE by the US.
AIPAC got sloppy and got caught. They all seem to do that eventually.
A farmer stopped by the local mechanic shop to have his truck fixed. They couldn't fix it while he waited, so he said he didn't live far and would just walk home.
On the way home he stopped at the hardware store and bought a bucket and a gallon of paint. He then stopped by the feed store and picked up a couple of chickens and a goose. However, struggling outside the store he
now had a problem - how to carry his entire purchases home.
While he was scratching his head he was approached by a little old lady who told him she was lost. She asked, "Can you tell me how to get to Mockingbird Lane ?"
The farmer said, "Well, as a matter of fact, my farm is very close by there and I would walk you to it, but I can't carry this lot."
The old lady suggested, "Why don't you put the can of paint in the bucket. Carry the bucket in one hand, put a chicken under each arm and carry the goose in your other hand?"
"Why thank you very much," he said and proceeded to walk the old girl to Mocking Bird Lane .
On the way he said "Let's take my usual short cut and go down this alley. We'll be there in no time."
The little old lady looked him over cautiously then said, "I am a lonely widow without a husband to defend me. How do I know that when we get in the alley you won't hold me against the wall, pull up my skirt, and have your wicked way with me?"
The farmer said, "Holy smokes lady! I'm carrying a bucket, a gallon of paint, two chickens, and a goose. How in the world could I possibly hold you up against the wall and do that?"
The old lady replied, "Set the goose down, cover him with the bucket, put the paint on top of the bucket, and I'll hold the chickens..."
" but the pipe dreams for ACORN's success is much more loudly hailed by Democrats than were the pipe dreams of Bush by Republicans."
Waddizat Mean ?
"Let's audit ACORN and investigate before they even get their hands on 1 billion. "
What 1bilion ? Wherzis come from ?
"I rather doubt that were ACORN to...."
A conclusion based upon a conditional clause makes neither good reasoning nor good policy.
"The failure of Durbin and others to vote to suspend money until investigations are completely speaks volumes.?"
Ya. It definitely shows the low estimation Durbin et al, have for Bb's integrity.
"I rather doubt religious groups would actually be caught on camera they way ACORN was. "
Why should you doubt it ? The highly decentralized Baptists and Pentacostals of various flavors see finanacial and sexual shenanigans and crimes daily in this country. The Southern Baptist Convention alone defrocks over a thousand preachers annually for sexual impropriety alone.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260623
I'm getting sick of this god damn bullshit. I never liked him from the start and it wasn't his race. It was initially his lofty, empty but supposedly full of inspiration speech that irritated me.
Secondly his logic is often fallacious.
Next thing I found distasteful about him was arrogance ( and this doesn't mean uppity) and self satisfaction.
His treatment towards the Clintons was beyond the pale for me. I didn't want to hear a dem praise Reagan while trashing the Clinton years and standing by allowing Bill to be accused of racism. "An unfortunate statement" How dare he.
DNÇ
As President his hypocrisy was accentuated when he appointed Hillary as Sec. of State. Why? Because of all the tea parties she has attended?
I've seen too many facets of him that I don't like at all and they sure as hell have nothing to do with his color and I'm not going to explain my personal life one more time to defend myself. I was actually looking forward to the day that Ford would be the first black Pres. Oh well.
Anyways, Jimmy Carter has lost this decades long loyal citizen. As far as I'm concerned he can go piss in a hat.
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Woo Hoo to you.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| September 16, 2009 12:34 PM
In the coming years more & more will be found out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/roy-sekoff-blasts-max-bau_b_287954.html
Posted by: buford.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 12:41 PM
It's just like "Minority Report." There is advertising everywhere...even over KO's face! Do a lot adults who watch these clips really eat Lunchables?
To the party who picked Jimmy Carter as today's topic, you were several presidents off. Czaaarrrgh!
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 16, 2009 12:52 PM
blue, they're still at last thread quibbling over pin head angels and czardust. dare we alert them to this new thread?
Posted by: patd
| September 16, 2009 1:00 PM
Re the comments made in the last thread about the paucity of Black and Jewish political leaders in UK, FR, RUS, & Brazil :
1. Anglicans are not Jews any more than Hindus are. The Tory, Disraeli, was Church of England, having been converted by his parents when he was about 6.
2. France has had 2 Jewish Premiers in the last 75 years in the mid 30s and the mid 50s. Among modern nations, only Israel has selected more Jews for the highest office.
The matter is more one of curiosity than substance. It is like insisting that Bangla Desh India & Pakistan are 'behind the curve' because they never chose Dalit or Sihk leaders. In fact, India has chosen a Sihk leader.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 16, 2009 1:49 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/were-all-czars-here.html#comment-260600
Max,
You have gone from the absolute statement of billions supposedly going to ACORN to "eligible for" and "might get" despite the fact that ACORN has never applied for the type of funds in the Stimulus bill, had not made any application for the current funds, and state they had no plans to do so.
This is the sort of thing that drives me right up the wall. A possibility is not the same as a fact.
I'm not denying that some of the ACORN employees may have committed fraud. Of course I happen to believe that there is just as much fraud on the other side of the political spectrum though it is usually corporate, military, and religious just by the nature of the adherents.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 1:55 PM
Craig on Olbermann's show: "Palin should "de-friend" Bush.
This is a new word for me. There's a few people I'd like to "de-friend."
Nice video clip. I fell asleep last PM before Craig came on. (Life in the fast lane in northern Maine.)
Posted by: Nash2.0
| September 16, 2009 2:00 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260613
XR
Can't help but wonder what Israel is doing differently that so many more Jews are attaining higher office. :-)
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 2:04 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/were-all-czars-here.html#comment-260612
Just to clear up stuff from the last thread DL. It was the totality of facts I was listing to support my “liberalness”.. Now I don't know your background DL, but I suspect you did not have the radically Liberal approach I had coming out of college. I basically followed a fairly Spartan antimaterialistic antiestablishment approach to life. I often charged what people could afford for my services. I wrote a song for Cindy L called “Only love can change the world”…LOL. Yesterday I repaired and rehung a beautiful glass ceiling light for $75 including the trip to the supply store because the client was out of cash. Is generosity Liberal? Yes, when so many here characterize conservatives as greedy capitalists. There is nothing in my history that comes close to endorsing conservative values, candidates (except this last cycle), conservative lifestyle etc. Please, a show of hands for those who are and were "starving artists".
I became business like and incorporated only six years ago. My fantastic accountant is a proud guy from St. Lucia whose clientele is 95% black. Given the picture I was forced to paint after months of claims I am a conservative, I don't think the things I listed were either desperate or inconsequential. I wanted to show why I am angry about the unintelligent characterizations of me being a conservative. It doesn’t hurt but it is a cheap way to marginalize. I rather doubt many here lived quite as Liberal a lifestyle I have right down to my contempt for greed and the blind pursuit of material things.
Solar, thanks. I know my posts often sound conservative because a Liberal Hawk is a rare bird. My view on healthcare echoes Obama's original intent to fix the system, not replace it. I have moved center in an effort to rationally deal with bridging the Parties so we can get something friggin done. No one here is going to exile half our conservative population and it doesn't matter there is an extreme Right or Left as long as they are reasonably marginalized. I have long admired some aspects of Carter and don't deny he is a decent fellow, but his perception on various subjects greatly annoys me and his last comment is destructive to "getting things done".
As for today, when I see talking points like "Republicans are racist", my heart tells me to speak up and tell Democrats how many times I encountered startling racist attitudes from Russians, Chinese, Latin, Indian, Arab and yes, even Israeli immigrants who call themselves Liberals or Democrats. To compare Republicans to the Taliban is counterproductive. Ideology should stop at the border of truth. I will never impact conservatives, though I befriended some these last years on moderate sites such as Stubborn Facts. And they showed me some facts I never knew. My only effect can be among fellow Liberals who will blow this chance to change things by being unrealistic, unpragmatic and at times as religiously blind and arrogant as conservatives can be.
This will be the last time I explain or defend my credentials. Despite my lack of wealth, I give money every month to the DNC and NEVER the GOP. I suggest personal values are never defined by ephemeral talking points or distant and elusive goals, but by the bipartisan and tough effort to meet in the middle for the sake of progress and domestic tranquility.
Thanks for tolerating this thread's first "too long" post. I can only guess why Craig avoided Carter. Maybe he too sees it as a painful diversion Carter should have avoided......
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 2:22 PM
CBO Score on the Baucus Bill
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/105xx/doc10572/09-16-Proposal_SFC_Chairman.pdf
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 2:22 PM
President Carter...the overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward Preswident Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man...
It is nice to see a brave, forthright President. Carter is right on the mark. I reject the " it is not politically smart" routine. Carter is a great man who is telling a needed truth. President Obama could learn something from this great, principled man!
Posted by: Oregon Democrat
| September 16, 2009 2:23 PM
Chloe:
re: your comments on the last thread about "gold, guns, and gardening equipment."
I really do think that if the Supreme Court allows unrestricted corporate donations to political campaigns the economic result will be a DISASTER. Within a short time corporations will OWN every politician at the federal, sate, and local levels.
Corporations will demand, and get, wholesale deregulation of business. Say goodbye to...
* environmental protection laws
* workplace anti-discrimination laws
* minimum wage laws
* unemployment compensation
* labor laws (unions will be illegal)
* laws against hiring illegal aliens
* product safety laws
* the right of people to sue corporations ("tort reform")
* Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid
and, finally, the most dangerous...
* regulation of financial markets
As the current recession, which was caused by a crash of the financial system demonstrates, if you de-regulate financial markets, then those markets will eventually implode bringing down the whole economy.
Only next time, it will be MUCH worse.
Posted by: Nash2.0
| September 16, 2009 2:23 PM
Interior Dept to end Royalty program
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=cqmidday-000003203738&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=top-stories
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 2:23 PM
Another birther suit thrown out of court
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/connie-rhodes-birther-cha_n_288814.html
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 2:32 PM
"I have long admired some aspects of Carter and don't deny he is a decent fellow, but his perception on various subjects greatly annoys me and his last comment is destructive to "getting things done".~~Max
That is a very good way of expressing your frustration and disagreement, Max. Thank you. And if I offended you by expressing my dislike of the way you expressed those thoughts early, my sincerest apologies.
Posted by: Fairweather Lewis
| September 16, 2009 2:33 PM
I'm sure glad President Truman didn't see integrating the military as a painful diversion.
I'm glad President Lyndon Johnson didn't see Civil Rights as a painful diversion.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat
| September 16, 2009 2:36 PM
What most "de-regulate business" advocates don't seem to realize is that many regulations are designed to protect businesses from OTHER businesses.
Example: (uninspected) contamninated meat sold to a restaurant can cause food poisoning and kill the restaurant (and the customers, but who cares about them.)
The reason that anti-trust laws were passed in the USA in the late 1800s was that BIG monopolistic businesses were harming SMALL businesses. This is the origin of the phrase "Wall Street vs "Main Street."
"Main Street" doesn't mean families, it means small businesses, that are typically are found on every local "Main Street."
If we get full de-regulation of business, then businesses will be fighting other businesses in a Darwinian struggle for survival, until a complete financial crash returns all of us to the stone age.
Welcome to the "free market."
Posted by: Nash2.0
| September 16, 2009 2:37 PM
Jamie, one last remark about ACORN from the last thread for now.
It was clear that Democrats wanted to reward ACORN and we all know the connections to Obama. I can provide some links later. Many "experts" saw the wording in the Stimulus Bill as paving the way for ACORN to apply for billions in funds and yes, 8.6 was about the maximum such applications would yield. Do you think there WAS resistance against ACORN getting such money from Congress?
Let us be honest here. The Democratic Congress and administration loves ACORN and has thwarted efforts to investigate. So please don't be so nit picking on the issue of how much ACORN COULD get under the Stimulus Bill. I never said ACORN recieved 8.6 billion. If it is more than a million many Americans would have a problem with that and many Democratic politicians I suspect would be nervous about JD investigations. As the tape shows, one ACORN employee in California was to explain to a pimp, how he could take his prosititute'ss money (from illegal under aged girls from El Salvador) and funnel it back into a campaign for the "pimp" to run for elected office. Quite stunning, yes? I have been told that the statistics involved in how many offices visited v taped criminal suggestions goes well beyond the random chance that bad apples exist everywhere. This is why there has been such a strong reaction. Media completely ignored public pressure to investigate in the past. Can you explain why? Instead they would trot out an ACORN official who denied anything was wrong and cried the Republicans were out to get them. Now I know why that was a fear..........
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 2:41 PM
No Fairweather, someone here has to keep me in check. I just hope you show up when the more extreme Liberals start making far more derrogatory remarks about their favorite villians on the other side.
I do appreciate you helping me get a handle on this morning's rage over continued diversions, stupidity and tactical errors.
Yeah, what else is new?
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 2:45 PM
Where is Max's atta boy for being a good guy?
Still don't agree with hardly anything you say Max...so put em up...now. You keep talking about spy's, agents of countries, and I don't for one minute doubt that this is true....where and how many do the Israeli's have, what is their mission...and is AIPAC one ( agents, and spies) of them?..you don't have to answer that last one....they are.!!!! later..
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2009 2:56 PM
Nash, of course you are quite correct and most conservatives I know do support necessary regulation. In fact, I do not know of anyone who supports completel deregulation. I thought regulation was the perfect place for Obama to launch his pitch, defining change in a non-ideological case for regulation reform. This framework could then serve as a template for energy, healthcare, enviroment, banking, trade etc. He finally got to that a few days ago from Wall Street and not a bad start that should have come almost a year ago. CPA isn't a bad idea.
The American idea is supposed to be the greatest business competition within appropiate regulations that provide third party verification, environmental and worker/consumer protections, unlawful behavior and truth in advertizing. Most Americans support and following close to public opinion is critical in the hard task of reform.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 2:56 PM
Another time Solar, but I would agree that Israel and America do not always have exactly the same agenda on everything. If Obama wants to flush out Israeli spies in the US, then perhaps he should outsource the Russians who seemed to have flushed them out of Lebanon for Hizb;Allah.
Later dude....this bird must sing
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 2:59 PM
Max,
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260633
More post like this one, and Im going to start listening to you......NAW!!
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2009 3:06 PM
Nash,
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260629
I explained a little bit of history to my son, and nephew the other day: They were surprised that Wall St. was up and running even before we had our revolution. That there were about 18 different languages that traded in it.....18 different nationalities, and that the Dutch were the ones that started Wall St.
I don't know for sure, but I feel 99% sure that what you said here was true then also.....thanks.
I do have a question for you, or anyone: I seem to remember that when I was watching Wall St special, that Susan Herra hosted, that it was said that at one time: Wall street bailed the government out with huge loans....some of my freinds think that Im totally worn about this....that is was just the other way around...I do know that we have bailed them out before....but this sticks in my mind......
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2009 3:19 PM
worn=wrong
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2009 3:23 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260630
Max,
The point is that there was a totality of money available to myriad groups not just ACORN. None of that money went to ACORN. ACORN had not applied for any of that money. IOW, all those billions to "reward" ACORN were for the most part a pipe dream of the right wing.
Just as they name things and then lie about what those things actually do. So do they invent scenarios and then perpetuate them as facts without any underpinning of fact.
I don't deny that ACORN might have received favorable consideration because to the Democratic and Presidential associations. The key word there is "might". Under a Republican president all sort os organizations "might" have received favorable consideration. Which ones actually "DID" and "might" deserve investigation is a completely different matter.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 3:32 PM
Nash,
I don't know exactly what you are referring to, but Wall Street has pretty much always been ready to finance American wars, sometimes both sides at once.
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 16, 2009 3:33 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260635
Being a bit more radical than myself, I am sure Solar, you see the wisdom in staying way from ideological labels. I think Jamie has found the backdoor on eventual single pay healthcare structure with her take on the worker comp mess. I hope we visit that inurance problem eventually. If we could make the case against the wasteful and fradulents costs, the lack of reasonable regulation, we could avoid the predictable partisan characterizations of efforts at reform.
OD, Carter suggesting some in the Republican base are racist needs little amplification. That it pertains to the healthcare debate or the poll numbers is at best debatable and at worst highly destructive. As I said, to think Liberals are without racist attitudes would be dishonest. Obama supporters were quick to make that claim on the Clinton camp.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 3:34 PM
Head of Acorn will be on with Rick Sanchez on CNN at 5 / 8 PM
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 3:41 PM
Jamie, Bush promised billion to religious organizations to give out, but that never happened. Many Republicans suspected Bush was just lying to get religious support.
ACORN is far more connected to present Democratic election strategies. I am sure the window will close on ACORN, but the pipe dreams for ACORN's success is much more loudly hailed by Democrats than were the pipe dreams of Bush by Republicans. Let's audit ACORN and investigate before they even get their hands on 1 billion. I rather doubt that were ACORN to stand for "Action Committee to Organize a Republican Nation" (which is much to do about ACORN), your spin would be entirely different and Anon would see them as the gate keepers for eventual detention camps.
As we have seen in other bills, money goes out before the public is alerted. In ACORN's case, it will not happen. The failure of Durbin and others to vote to suspend money until investigations are completely speaks volumes. I rather doubt religious groups would actually be caught on camera they way ACORN was. I saw numerous stories last summer where ACORN registers admitted to pushing many to register as Democrats. Again, the Democrats would be fuming were this reversed. I want fairness and that also means shutting down any unfair or illegal attmepts by the GOP to mimic ACORN.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 3:45 PM
Solar
J P Morgan singled handedly bailed out the US Government on two different occasions.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 3:48 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260641
Jamie, he must know that BreitBart is going to drop another tape bomb on Hannity tonight and suggests many many more tapes with even worse behavior. If this happened at a Japanese corporation with dozens of terrible tapes, the head CEO would kill himself with a sword.
I am dying to hear the excuse from ACORN their not even knowing how many more disgusting tapes BB has left to play.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 16, 2009 3:49 PM
Here's some history on JP Morgan and the 1893 bailout of the US treasury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._Morgan
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 3:54 PM
Max
I suppose that is the difference between us. You base your opinions on suppositions and I prefer to wait for the actualities.
Of course I also consider Hannity a suspect source under any circumstances. A great deal of what BreitBart has is undoubtedly accurate (I've witnessed similar financial padding activities by groups on the receiving end of governmental largess), I also don't put it past him to slant material overdub and naturally omit anything where he was turned down or the people behaved legitimately.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 4:01 PM
Of course, AIPAC has been used by Israel to spy. Just as Aramco has been used by Saudi Arabia, IBM and Ford were used by nazi Germany, the Boys Scouts and Girl Guides were (are?) used by the British, the Ile de France by the French, Aeroflot and Ziv by the russians, and ATT and GTE by the US.
AIPAC got sloppy and got caught. They all seem to do that eventually.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 16, 2009 4:04 PM
Hey Solar! Here's a joke for you:
A farmer stopped by the local mechanic shop to have his truck fixed. They couldn't fix it while he waited, so he said he didn't live far and would just walk home.
On the way home he stopped at the hardware store and bought a bucket and a gallon of paint. He then stopped by the feed store and picked up a couple of chickens and a goose. However, struggling outside the store he
now had a problem - how to carry his entire purchases home.
While he was scratching his head he was approached by a little old lady who told him she was lost. She asked, "Can you tell me how to get to Mockingbird Lane ?"
The farmer said, "Well, as a matter of fact, my farm is very close by there and I would walk you to it, but I can't carry this lot."
The old lady suggested, "Why don't you put the can of paint in the bucket. Carry the bucket in one hand, put a chicken under each arm and carry the goose in your other hand?"
"Why thank you very much," he said and proceeded to walk the old girl to Mocking Bird Lane .
On the way he said "Let's take my usual short cut and go down this alley. We'll be there in no time."
The little old lady looked him over cautiously then said, "I am a lonely widow without a husband to defend me. How do I know that when we get in the alley you won't hold me against the wall, pull up my skirt, and have your wicked way with me?"
The farmer said, "Holy smokes lady! I'm carrying a bucket, a gallon of paint, two chickens, and a goose. How in the world could I possibly hold you up against the wall and do that?"
The old lady replied, "Set the goose down, cover him with the bucket, put the paint on top of the bucket, and I'll hold the chickens..."
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 4:13 PM
" but the pipe dreams for ACORN's success is much more loudly hailed by Democrats than were the pipe dreams of Bush by Republicans."
Waddizat Mean ?
"Let's audit ACORN and investigate before they even get their hands on 1 billion. "
What 1bilion ? Wherzis come from ?
"I rather doubt that were ACORN to...."
A conclusion based upon a conditional clause makes neither good reasoning nor good policy.
"The failure of Durbin and others to vote to suspend money until investigations are completely speaks volumes.?"
Ya. It definitely shows the low estimation Durbin et al, have for Bb's integrity.
"I rather doubt religious groups would actually be caught on camera they way ACORN was. "
Why should you doubt it ? The highly decentralized Baptists and Pentacostals of various flavors see finanacial and sexual shenanigans and crimes daily in this country. The Southern Baptist Convention alone defrocks over a thousand preachers annually for sexual impropriety alone.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 16, 2009 4:19 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260621
If it means that much to you to pander to your self-perceived genuine-"liberal" detractors here, go for it, dude.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 4:20 PM
Funny clip:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/ModernTube-Young-Phillies-fan-rejects-dad-s-fou?urn=mlb,189941
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 4:39 PM
This week Kroger has a great sale on live Maine lobster--6.99 a pound then an extra 5-pct off because today is Wednesday.
Guess what Stinky and I are having for dinner??
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2009 4:40 PM
DL
Saw that on the news. It has a very high Awwwwwwwww factor.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 16, 2009 5:10 PM
New Thread
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-hypocrisy-of-racism.html
Posted by: chloe
| September 16, 2009 5:32 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/the-book-on-bush-again.html#comment-260623
I'm getting sick of this god damn bullshit. I never liked him from the start and it wasn't his race. It was initially his lofty, empty but supposedly full of inspiration speech that irritated me.
Secondly his logic is often fallacious.
Next thing I found distasteful about him was arrogance ( and this doesn't mean uppity) and self satisfaction.
His treatment towards the Clintons was beyond the pale for me. I didn't want to hear a dem praise Reagan while trashing the Clinton years and standing by allowing Bill to be accused of racism. "An unfortunate statement" How dare he.
DNÇ
As President his hypocrisy was accentuated when he appointed Hillary as Sec. of State. Why? Because of all the tea parties she has attended?
I've seen too many facets of him that I don't like at all and they sure as hell have nothing to do with his color and I'm not going to explain my personal life one more time to defend myself. I was actually looking forward to the day that Ford would be the first black Pres. Oh well.
Anyways, Jimmy Carter has lost this decades long loyal citizen. As far as I'm concerned he can go piss in a hat.
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 16, 2009 8:56 PM
I meant shit in a hat.
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 16, 2009 8:57 PM
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