James Harvey Young, PhD , at Quackwatch, wrote a paper on Hadacol. I copied an excerpt.
Hadacol presented itself as a patent cure-all medicine, but it was really just a sly way to market alcohol. I used my imagination and I can clearly see parallels to Beck , Limbaugh, Hannity, and Krauthammer:
"Hadacol was not palatable in any usual sense. LeBlanc, who knew that the common citizen expected his medicine to taste somewhat nasty, thought Hadacol tasted like "dirt." "It contained vitamins," he explained, "and they come from dirt and that's how it tasted." Other samplers variously described the flavor as "musty," "metallic," "fishy," as similar to "weak iodine," "bilge water," "emasculated wine." The odor of the murky brown brew called forth remembrance of liniments and horse medicine. Indeed, one would suppose after a gingerly experimental sip, that inveterate users conditioned themselves to the flavor not for the sake of pleasure but from the sternest sense of duty."
They say he did it in Kenya. Or, Indonesia. But, definitely not at the Mormon Temple on Oahu, Hawaii, because that would be a crime against the tenets of his Mormon cult : "always kill the girl in the space controlled by the infidels." If he were innocent, he'd show us his his acquittal papers.
Btw, does anyone know if the ayatollah khomeini's mole in the reagan White House and convicted republican felon, 'bloody' bud mcfarlane, has registered as a foreign agent ? This dangerous Sudanese spy would destroy America for a few bucks, and the blood -drenched tyrant of Sudan is paying mcfarlane $1,300,000 to do so. At least that's all mcfarlane admits to.
Ah Glenn Beck.. He must be something correct.
Angry Man - How about just Passion Man. But Glenn does seem to be hitting onto some Facts that are "Catching" some truths that the Obama and Axe and others want to hide - as the Obama admin is as connected and corrupt as any.
But Angry is Nice - it is a valid state of mind.
Unlike - Mad-- Mad like a rabid mindless dog that we see in so many others that attack the Angry.
I don't know why exactly- maybe a combination of Ted's death, focusing on keeping my head above water financially, feeling powerless- but I've rather lost my taste for politics. Maybe it's because I'm thinking both sides are too crazy.
Meant to post this when there was talk of music themes etc., my vote is for Stuck In The Middle With You- Steve Miller Band
sea, hope there's room on that middle way tightrope. am beginning to feel the same. maybe it's just that our political tastebuds have become desensitized, numbed or burnt. a little too salty here, a little to hot there.
My personal opinion is that FOX news is a joke and Glen Beck and his ilk are the ring leaders. I refuse to watch the nonsense. What our country is going through right now is way too serious to treat it like the circus. gag.
You might want to say a prayer for Norton Buffalo, harmonica player for Steve Miller Band. He has lung cancer which has spread around. He is great human being as well as being a fantastic musician. He is in need of healing thoughts.
I'M OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED, I TELL YOU!!! See, it's not so much the side Gl'eck has taken, even filled with erroneous info and false arguments. It's that he has made histrionics his bread and butter.
He's so over-the-top, I'm not sure even he believes what he is saying. At best, he is Jon Luvitz from SNL as "Master Thespian" with a touch of that liar "Tommy Flannagin"...that's giving him a lot of credit. What he really is is a 2-year old throwing a tantrum for attention...for any attention at all, for any reason at all.
"Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools." - Einstein
Craig- don't know where to go with this, but my mother is on the phone with me now- My father was a SUNY prof. for 38 years, they have been married for 60. They received a final notice for my mother, the dependent, from NYSIP requesting a marriage certificate or a copy of their tax return or she would be dropped. She is begrudgingly sending in the return (lost certificate many years ago) and it will be straightened out for them. Her concern is all the other retirees and how they will fare. She is thinking that others, that don't she said "read as well as me" (she is legally blind) have the resources that she has (family) will fall through the cracks. NYS Insurance has hired this firm from Mi to do this, guess they fraudulent claimants. Anyways, she wanted me to pass this on to you. Should she let Schumer know about this nonsense? She thought perhaps this could be used as an example of insurance companies abuses.
She said "damn insurance companies, well you don't have to say that" She's a pisser.
patd - You hit the nail on the head. The ranters-with-agendas did not show up as an off-shoot of journalism, but of tele-vangelism. We have Jimmy Swaggert to blame for the media garbage that is ruining America.
sea - That's a ridiculously perfect example of the issue & I hope you/she will contact someone about this. I'll bet if you contact the county that issued the marriage license, they would have one on file so the tax return (which may have confidential info on it) doesn't have to be sent in. Hope others with more info about these things will respond to you, too.
I can't believe that people think that this is new. It isn't. does anybody remember the term " Yellow Journalism"?
From Wiki:
Yellow journalism is a type of journalism that downplays legitimate news in favor of eye-catching headlines that bring in more advertising revenue. It may feature exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, sensationalism, or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or journalists.
It started in newspapers, now it's on TV. Don't blame Swaggert (cousin of the Killer) blame Hearst.
"See, it's not so much the side Gl'eck has taken, even filled with erroneous info and false arguments. It's that he has made histrionics his bread and butter."
blue exactly!
And as Dexter noted it is not the first time.
And it is always ugly no matter who does it. imo
thus my KO comment the other day.
I guess I'm just an NPR type of person.
Glad to see Tweety show that clip of Patrick Kennedy last night. Gl'eck and his cronies and their hate/fear rhetoric are not good for America. If something happens, it doesn't just come back to bite them in the @$$ but it bites us all. Free speech comes with responsibility...but since we all pay for cable, technically it's not free, so there is no responsibility?
My attention was drawn to this article when it arrived in my email from Huffington Post, because I notice there was a pretty spirited conversation about it on TM late yesterday, with opinions falling on both sides:
"...but I've rather lost my taste for politics. Maybe it's because I'm thinking both sides are too crazy." http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263421
Sea, Join us over at Carol's (that we fondly call the Swamp) sometime. Last night we spent the entire evening talking about birds. It was very enjoyable (we 'rarely' mention politics). http://ct-carolssouthernspice.blogspot.com/
bowman - Oh, I'm sure their are events prior to that, too. But electronically, tele-evengalists were the model for this psuedo-journalism. You'd never catch Jim Lehrer spewing this stuff.
I'm linking this because there was a spirited discussion here late yesterday about it, with opinions (and feelings) falling on both sides. An interesting discussion.
Genius and Young Flesh
"Comparing a Hollywood child rape to war criminal behavior will inspire outrage, guffaws, ridicule. Bring it on. But first, let's consider this fact: women are dying at the hands of male partners around the world at a greater rate than cancer and heart disease. Sexual violence is endemic on the planet. Some studies in Europe say 50 percent of women have been abused before they become adults.
. It doesn't matter whether he is a genius. The world will have to live without his lifetime tribute ceremony, at least for a few months more. It doesn't matter whether his victim - 30-odd years on and handsomely paid off - forgives and wants to forget.
What matters is that the rape of a 13-year old girl, in a nation of laws, in a nation where women are striving for equality with men, in world where we are hundreds of years away from that right and good goal, be discouraged, by example if necessary." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nina-burleigh/genius-and-young-flesh_b_302515.html
shame on Target and Walmart for touting the Beck book with his cluster faux military uniform complete with hat. He is a stupid freak who is making a bundle off of his rant. I say ignore him and starve him out!
OK, I saw my name taken in vain last night. :-) Actually, from what little I know about defamation, which is what would be invoked over the website about Beck and the Girl, whether the site claims to be parody or satire is of almost no import - whether a judge or jusry, as the case may be, would answer that question. I do think the site author has done a good job of trying to make it plain that he or she does not intend for the site to be taken seriously as even suggesting that Beck raped and killed anyone, but this is new territory. I'm not aware of any court that has ruled on a defamation case against a blog site for hosting a site with defamatory material posted by posters there, and there is good reason for that - the people who post are not the blog hosts, so the intent to cause harm is questionable at best, at least from a legal perspective. On the other hand, the plaintiff could argue that the blog owner acted with reckless indifference to the truth - which in some states can give you enough traction to keep the suit alive. In short, who the hell knows?
Ping, for Obama the UN is just a stage - I can't imagine he would want to follow the lead of Ahmadenijad and Qadaffi. If you want to Hammer anything home, you gotta have your SC votes lined up. With China and Russia opposed, he doesn't and it would just be a failed speech - and you would be criticizing his inability to deliver on what the speech called for. Admit it, he can't do anything you won't criticize with respet to Iran.
Max, obviously every retiree's financial and health situation is different; but, unless your Mom has lots of assets beyond her home, she may be over-insured.
I think the government's strategy is to have old folks spend down their personal assets before extending non-medicare assistance to them--assistance such as long-term nursing home care or Medicaid. But, once old people have minimal assets, public assistance is available.
I hope some wise people correct me where I am wrong on my take of continuing care of old people once Medicare reserve days are used up, or if extended nursing home care is required.
jimmy lee swaggart......first cousin to both jerry lee lewis, and mickey lee gilley.......i was poking fun at them oncet for all having the middle name "lee" when i stopped and realized that my middle name is "lee"........rats.
"Stuck In The Middle With You" was by Stealers Wheel. Although, I do have a Michael Buble version of it. Over the weekend somebody posted a news story about how bad Glenn Beck's week was last night. Getting booed when he received the key to the city etc...I could not believe how many people were supportive of him. As for me, anger takes too much energy.
So is Glenn Beck the just the counter to the irogant ignorance of KO? KO act like a mad dog.. ah that is how you get viewers when you have no valid content - I keep forgetting - they are just entertainment - nothing of value - another version of I love Lucy
I've had my first cup of coffee, so let me say something profound, or profane. something like that.
One of the great mysteries for liberals is why they don't get more support for their ideas from lowerclass folks.
That song goes a long way to explain it.
It is a sneering elitist put down of the working class's most treasured dreams. If they don't understand our dreams how can they comprehend our problems.
OSH, she should definitely contact Shumer. What a bunch of crap - I've never been asked to provide proof of marriage - even when my insurance paid for LP's birth and Mrs. P's maternity care.
Max.....this post is confusing because i never said wiki was crap.........i love wikipedia.....not for in-depth, perhaps, but for quick mostly reliable overview it's great.....i think you were responding to someone else's post, not mine........
Thanks Flatus. My mom is afraid that some medical problem will come up that will go beyond Medicare coverage and tap her out. I can understand that. The supplimental gives her the peace of mind that all circumstances are covered, but you may be right,
As far as the assisted living, she certainly doesn't want to go in to a State facility or be a burden. She knows her family is there, but she would rather part with some funds now and be free of anxiety knowing everything is covered. It is a thing in our family not to require public assistance. And of course my mom will likely live past 100 at her rate. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
I'm an educated hillbilly
something I've come to believe is mostly useless.
So, when it comes to sounding intellegent, I don't even try.
But if I can hit profound or profane once in a while, I'm happy.
No. Flatus, you are right. The Medicaid spend down provisions have as a purpose that a would-be recipient not have income and assets to spend before the Gov steps in. Pisses would-be beneficiaries of wills and such right off. There are some gizmos to avoid those provisions, but there are also lookback periods to try and keep people from gaming the system. And the qualifications vary from state to state. Essentially, the point is that if you have assets to use to provide for your own care, the government shouldn't have to provide for your care.
Patsi & Patd- Thought I was all on my own. Odd feeling isn't it?
Jack- exactly- and those are the two I of think of that leading either side..
Chloe- thanks for the invite!
Pogo & Blue- thanks for response
Bow- consider it done- might even enlist some gals in Salem (~_^)
Corey- i know, but prefer Steve Miller's version
It was Jack who made the comment about my use of originalism. You never said a word, so I'm sorry if I was confusing. I guess Jack couldn't comprehend the distinctions Wiki was setting forth seeing he mocked my use of "Orginalism" and advocated "orginal intent" (a term I used first when talking to NewPogo) for those wanting to "seem" intelligent. I guess he should know, or of course maybe he don't know jack.....
Anyway, no slight intended Sturg. When I see Craig take a swipe at Olberman, I will share my contempt for Beck. I rather doubt Maher is far behind in saying nasty and anger inspiring bullshit, though like Beck, he occasional has a point or some valid fact. And name the Black cable pundit that once suggested during the primary the government killed MLK over his opposition to the Viet Nam war.
And name the Black cable pundit that once suggested during the primary the government killed MLK over his opposition to the Viet Nam war.
--max
afraid the jury is still out on that one.....no way earl whats-his-faction didn't have powerful support behind him.....who it was is anyone's guess..........
He most assuredly does NOT believe what he says. He's a paid actor in an old/new style reality show. Problem is, his followers don't see that. And the more he's rewarded for it, the greater the chance he'll start believing his own garbage.
I comprehend a made up word designed to confuse the issue for the uninformed.
As usual it was done by someone who has a political agenda.
Original intent is the proper phrase used by academics.
Originalism is of political gobbledy gook
You make your choices and unlike me you seem to desire to be mistaken for intellegent. So, your choices define you.
And Jack, you never answered my question. Did ACORN give Franken his victory? He won by less than 400 votes and ACORN claimed to have resgistered more than 48,000 voters. How certain is anyone about that? Franken was very vocal about his gratitude to ACORN, yet he threw them under the bus. Crap like this keeps Beck in business. I suspect he will rant at some point how ACORN won the Democrats the super majority.
seems to me that Mike Barnikle has a major problem with the public having a say in what they believe. He has constantly belittled the internet and blogs such as this on Morning Joe. Does anyone remember when Mike was fired from the Boston paper for plagiarism? Now, after Imus took him in, he has a prominent place on MSNBC.
That was a truly thoughtful piece and should be shown on TV for everyone to see as a commentary.
The reason Beck is more "believable" as the angry pundit is that like Howard Beale he may be a complete lunatic. Either that or he is the worst kind of Elmer Gantry manipulating the flock he has found for his own glory and largesse.
Of course yesterday, I was a member of the truly angry and powerless as I actually believe that a group of politicians served their corporate masters to the detririment of the American people.
So Sturg, you can see above where the swipe at Wiki comes from. I think Wiki was clear on the use of orginalism and of course Jack knows full well I also used the term original intent. Maybe he had trouble reading or answering the question in "Are you an Originalist" because he doesn't like the author or the site posted.
Jack, false humility gets you what? So I seem to desire to be mistaken for intelligent, whereas you don't pretend to be intelligent? Let it go Jack. Your lecture was your seeming desire to be a jack ass. Of course you're not always, nor are you unintelligent. A jack ass unintelligent gun trader could put you squarely on FOX.
The Iran info has been "known" for two years. Remember who was president then? The current President was handed a truck load of garbage by the previous hack and is still trying to dig out from under. No need to get the panties in a twist over Iran. Even Buchanan isn't agitated.
ACORN - time for a little distraction I see. If the GOP had policies that could attract voters in poor and minority neighborhoods, the GOP would not be complaining about ACORN.
KC, yeah, I remember the Globe firing Barnicle for plagiarism. But I'd bet he makes better money as a false blue collar advocate on MSNBC than any of us here make in whatever we do for a living - and probably more than he made as a writer for the Globe. I do agree with you about his bona fides as an advocate for the little guy - they aren't very convincing.
For all the noise over the people registered by ACORN no one has ever proved that any of the challenged registrants ever voted. Not one. Most never made it on to the rolls because they were discovered as jokes, frauds etc. before getting that far. People register their dogs and cats all the time. The feline and canine have never been seen in a voting booth.
The fact that it is squarely in the sights of the Republican attack machine says it all.
The main problem that Acorn has is they strayed from their mission. They should have let others do the "do gooding" and stuck to their political education.
Although CRS tends to make what I remember of the distant past suspect, I recall that my ConLaw prof used the term originalist to refer to anyone, and of course he focused most closely on judges, but any constitutional lawyer, judge or scholar who took the position that the constitution and the rights it bestows and limits it sets are limited to the words in it. Of course that discussion was in the context of the Griswald v. Connecticutt case and whether the Bill of Rights contain any right to privacy, which originalists dispute the existence of and non-originalists claim is inherent and essential to the rights reflected in the literal reading of the document. The following link does a fair job of providing a framework for that discussion and also has an excellent article by Richard Posner about the subject. It also has links to the American Constitutional Society and the Federalist Society, which advocate the two positions.
sea, in addition to the advice from pogo and blue, you/your mom should call directly to verify that the request for info is valid and not some id scan artist. hope it's not too late.
if she finds it is a valid request, by calling personally, it also gives her the opportunity to voice her complaint, to evoke compassion on their part, and to let them know she is contacting media for the emotional injury caused.
one reason beck' limbaugh'hannity and the rest have an audience is because there is genuine frustration and anger at congress ''' i don't believe they've gotten
anything right in recent history '' republican or democratic' now they ask us to put our faith in them to come up with a genius mastermind health care bill''we'll see what they come up with'''no body's going to happy with it
"pogo, are you hinting that our gracious host should make effort to question the veracity of each potentially defaming comment made by any of us tmrs? -- Posted by: patd"
That wasn't my take-away from Pogo's post, patd. But when it comes to serious allegations of that nature, I'm not comfortable providing a forum for sites that traffic in vicious lies of that nature. I eventually had to shut down our resident "birther" for the same reason. There's enough of that on the "internets."
Bowmanc.... so there you are.... great to see a fellow NHerite here again.... and as someone who registered voters in this great state for 24 years,
it's actually called "undeclared".
OSH.... since doing my fair in early August my appetite for politics has somewhat waned also. I've always found a certain amount of humor involved in the subject. But it's hard to find anything funny about the healthcare issue..... or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
oh yeah.... today's topic is Beck. Another clown in a long line of clowns....
the more attention he gets.... the better for him and Fox News....
jack, could we collectively protect craig with a blanket plea of mob hysteria, temp insanity? just think of the times we've trashed tweety and uberman, his colleagues, to say nothing of how a certain ex vpotus was vilified (justifiably so i might add).
Yeah Glenn Beck will get you page hits, he gets goggled like nobody's business. I think this site is run by Dan Abrams from MSNBC but I don't know if it his site?
This is exactly why I said last night that just sending him to jail would do nothing for the plight of young girls now. Work out a conviction deal in line with the original plea bargain. Bring him back for the plea and sentence and then let the sentence be one huge chunk of change to organizations that care for and protect young women or those forced into prostitution.
pat, absolutely not. This is a political blog, and truth and politics - well, they haven't been introduced. Politicians and entertainers are as close to fair game as you can get when it comes to criticism and defamation, whether valid or not. If you have the inclination, go read Falwell v. Hustler. It gives a good indication of how far you have to go to defame a public figure.
You always sound intelligent Jack. You don't have to try.
You've got common sense, on top of that education... therefore, no, it was not useless. You're a leader, and your neighborhood and everyone else is better off for it.
CBob....
I had 2 racoons grubbin' around under my bird feeders last night.... on one hand, it was nice to see them because their population was pretty well decimated in these hills from a bout of rabies 5-6 yrs ago. On the other hand,
I immediately thought of my blue corn. Rick and I ran out back and picked the few ears that were substantive enough. I expected to see the stalks uprooted or lying on their sides this morning. But they never even touched the corn. Maybe they thought those stunted plants must be tomatoes.....
Hah, Polanski had to come up, didn't he? Now there's a topic with the potential for numerous positions and discussions. The HLN screamers were going at it hot and heavy yesterday.
I think this is one of the reason's that people respond to Michael Moore. He may have more money than God now, but he comes across as Mr. Average who has lived a normal life until finding fame and fortune.
You know, I don't think Beck is all show, I think he believes all that 'stuff' he says. I also think that he attracts those that 'already' believe the same thing.
"You know, I don't think Beck is all show, I think he believes all that 'stuff' he says. I also think that he attracts those that 'already' believe the same thing.
Chole he says he does but he is a showman so he might believe some of it. If anyone did watch him before when he was on HLN he was railing at George W Bush too. Beck is a Libertarian. He does dabble in the conspiracy stuff a lot. He actually overlapped with Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone on the Goldman Sachs analysis. Neil Cavuto was saying, he thinks Beck and Taibbi are wrong about Goldman Sachs. But Taibbi wrote in the Great American Bubble Machine for Rolling Stone Mag., every time one of these bubbles burst like the housing market - Goldman Sachs manages to position their mouth at the drain or words to that effect. So I am in the Beck -Taibbi camp on the Goldman Sachs analysis. It's as if they set up the circumstances of the bubbles than position themselves to be the beneficiaries, when the financial bubbles burst.
That stuff posted at the top of this thread about Glenn Beck and some little girl was started by Chann4, they post under anonymous, the icon is a tuxedo - they are kids as I recall Olbermann told them, it wasn't helpful to do what they are doing, although he got why they set it up in the questioning manner that they did al la Glenn Beck style. I read about who wast responsible for that rumor about Beck being spread and by who on mediaite also. I like Mediaite it seems to really report on whats going on in the Media the different angles.
Posted by: whskyjack | September 30, 2009 9:37 AM :
"The main problem that Acorn has is they strayed from their mission. They should have let others do the 'do gooding' and stuck to their political education."
I first came face to face w/Acorn in the early 80s, when they were working on ending banks redlining in the city core. 7 years ago, I came face to face with them and was so shocked at their political ignorance, and the infiltration by the Mayor's republican Chief of Staff, that I wrote them off and never spoke with them again.
Some wacko asked me to repeat that I didn't think the right to bear arms was necessary to security.
Mr. messtup,
I can't repeat it, because I never wrote it in the first place. I would have had to actually write what YOU wrote, and that I paraphrased above, in order to repeat it. However, I never did write it, and never would, so you will have to be content with this consolation missive.
You just had another one of your frequent hallucinations. Like the ones you shared with Ms Cracker and Mr. Pogo yesterday, and Mr. Jack today.
There is no comparison between KO and Beck. Olbermann's commentary can be traced to analysis of facts. Take for instance his "Nexus of Politics and Terror". These were dismissed as rantings but have been shown to me more than just coincidence.
Also, on the rare occasions that Olbermann has a guest from the other side of the political spectrum, he always conducts a respectful interview. See the John Ashcroft interview.
When he realizes when he crosses a line, he calls himself on it and makes the appropriate apology.
When he finds a factual error in his broadcast, he immediately points out the mistake and then corrects it.
These are just some basic things that the likes of Beck or Hannity do not ever consider doing on their own shows.
Check out CQ-Roll Call's newly re-launched congress.org. For those who want to register (only email & zip code required) and have an issue to promote (OSH -- such as you liberator campaign), you can create a soap box alert and rally supporters, lobby lawmakers. As I've said here before, Trail Mixers can use this site for outreach on issues instead of just talking amongst ourselves.. http://www.congress.org/
1924 Truman Capote a short short story writer (In Cold Blood)
1928 Elie Wiesel author (Souls on Fire), Nazi hunter (Nobel 1986)
1931 Angie Dickinson Kulm ND-best looking legs on a cop (Police Woman)
1934 Freddie King Gilmer Tx, blues singer (Hideaway)
1935 Johnny Mathis singer (Chances are, 12th of Never)
1942 Frankie Lymon NYC, rocker (& Teenagers-Why do Fools Fall in Love)
Deaths which occurred on September 30:
1955 James Dean killed in an auto collision at 24 near Cholame Calif
1452 1st book published, Johann Guttenberg's Bible
1630 1st execution in America-J Billington hanged in Plymouth, MA
1659 Robinson Crusoe is shipwrecked (according to Defoe)
1659 Peter Stuyvesant of New Netherlands forbids tennis playing during religious services
1777 Congress, flees to York Pa, as British forces advance
1791 Mozart's opera "The Magic Flute" premiers in Vienna
1846 Anesthetic ether used for 1st time (Dr Wm Morton extracts a tooth)
1927 Babe Ruth hits record setting 60th HR (off Tom Zachary)
1929 1st manned rocket plane flight (by auto maker Fritz von Opel)
1939 1st televised college football game (Fordham vs Waynesburg at NYC)
1939 Germany & Russia agree to partition Poland
1941 3,721 Jews are buried alive at Babi Yar ravine (near Kiev) Ukraine
1946 22 Nazi leaders found guilty of war crimes at Nuremberg, Von Ribbentrop & Goering sentenced to death by Nuremberg trial
1949 Berlin Airlift ends after 277,000 flights
1954 1st atomic-powered vessel, submarine Nautilus launched
1960 Flintstones premiers (1st prime time animation show)
1960 On Howdy Doody's last show Clarabelle finally talks "Goodbye Kids"
1962 James Meredith registers for classes at University of Mississippi
1968 1st Boeing 747 rolls out
1980 Iran rejects a truce call from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
JAKARTA, Indonesia — A disaster management official says 13 people have been killed and thousands trapped under flattened buildings in a powerful earthquake in western Indonesia.
.................... " thousands trapped under flattened buildings "
flatus, another good article re single payer system.
"A “single payer” method of collecting and distributing payments for medical services leaves the delivery of medical care in the hands of the private sector. It is not “socialized medicine” like our military health care system, but is “socialized insurance” like our Medicare program. This approach is endorsed by Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP.org), with 17,000 members nationwide."
seems money could be made in consolidation efficiencies and client costs cut at the same time by ama (or some major group of cooperating doctors) setting up a service on a national scale "collecting and distributing payments for medical services"..... why don't they?
Original Intent is the particular hobby horse of scalia, and secondarily of roberts. Most of the others who purport to support the doctrine do so only haphazardly. scalia himself and the other SC lipservants to Original Intent jettisoned the doctrine in voting to make george bush president, arguably the most important case that they will ever hear.
clarence thomas does not belong in that group. It is clear that thomas opposes stare decisis, which tool the those Founding Fathers who practised law used regularly. I know of no argument or proposal by a Founding Father to jettison that ancient principle, which was already in use in English Law during the reign of William Rufus. Ending stare decisis would not only be foolish, it would be futile, for soon judges would once again be looking to the wisdom of the past for guidance.
thomas' idea that each judge should decide each case without reference to previous rulings, would in practice, mandate that each judge become a judicial activist. Such an idea and such a brain belong more properly among the revolutionaries of France and russia than with our own Founding Fathers.
Speaking of original intent - the Court will be taking up the 2nd amendment again in January or soon thereafter. I expect a result similr to the Heller decision. And as plain as everyone seems to think that decision was, it wa a 5-4 decision with strong dissent and that was based not only upon a criticised parsing of the words of the 2nd amendment and analysis of original intent, but also upon the natural right to self defense, a curious basis for a decision from an original intent fella.
I really enjoyed the interview yesterday with Col Jack Jacobs that was my last post yesterday you all can stream the interview if you want. Col Jacobs was on Fox & Friends this morning so he isn't having a problem going on both MSNBC and Fox outlets.
Craig, you can go incognito on FBN, wear a snidely whiplash mustache, an eye patch, and talk pirate, when you go on Imus in the Morning on FBN oh wait that would be a dead give away they would figure out it's you ;)
X_R: "thomas' idea that each judge should decide each case without reference to previous rulings, would in practice, mandate that each judge become a judicial activist." Conservative SC Justices reserve the "activist" label for anyone who disagree with them. And, of course, Bush v. Gore, 2000, wasn't an activist court at all according to Scalia and others. Sandra Day O'Conner, someone who I normally admire, surely disappointed in that decision making Bush president. Oh, that's right, she's a Republican!
Craig, I thought the tag line "I don't know" by Beck was perfect and so much alike to Palin's "I don't know (what I read) and I'll get back to you" line also on CBS News. Inasmuch as you've become KO's expert on Palin, you might also become his expert on Beck. Now there's a twofer for you!
Been thinking about "original intent" as I worked in the shop this morning.
I remember it being presented by my prof. as a tool to be used by the justices in their decision making and he clearly pointed out justices on both sides of the political spectrum that used it. Xrep ably used it yesterday against the gun ownership as a right argument.
I'm always amused when Republicans get on the soapbox about judicial activism. The current Conservatives on the court are some of the most blatant judicial activist that have been on the bench.
I have a funny feeling that this healthcare debate is actually going along the lines of my small town's debate over building a new elementary school. The state condemned our school building 6 years ago. Every year they'd give us a chance to vote to build a new one and every year we'd vote it down. Finally this year the state said no more chances. You will be allowed a special election on this issue and if you vote it down again, we the state, will step in and close your school building. You will be required to put temporary mobile classrooms all over the lawn.
The temporary classrooms will cost us more than building a new school. Plus we were told that the Federal government will give us stimulus money amounting to 53% of the costs if we vote it in this year. And the state will give us an interest free bond for the rest of the costs providing we vote it in this year.
That special election was held yesterday. The town thought the vote would be close because of a very vocal segment of townspeople. The town overwhelming voted "yes" to build the new school by 75% in favor. People finally got it. One of the lessons learned..... don't pay attention to the naysayers just because they're loud.
Agree, Jack, especially during confirmation hearings. I don't know how the Republican Senators can keep a straight face when out of their mouths comes babbling about judicial activists. An example occured this past summer with Sotomayor, who I think will be a centerist at best and will vote with the conservatives a lot at worst.
New Pogo, I have had discussions with Constitutional lawyers and you are free to go to Althouse and voice your opinion regarding Orginalism/orginal intent. Without getting into a debate, it does semm reasonable that in order to ascertain what a "right" or "enumerated power" etc. is, we have to take the actual words and place them in the context of what a reasonable person in that time period would understand by such wording. Orginalism, I am told, became uselful to distance such activities from the claim such an approach was "trying to read what someone had in mind", an effort open to large speculation. The closer one goes back in time with marshall, let's say, the more such connotations of meaning seemed obvious. I believe I am correct in saying that Obama once said that he always felt the 2nd did in fact give lawabiding citizens the RIGHT to have guns as a form of protection and to ignore the ubiquitousness of such understanding back in 1789 is rather obtuse (boy am I seeming to sound intelligent Jack). Jack, by the way, the article does have some merit whether conservatives have taken hold of "orginalism" or not. I believe Sotomayor actually said she respected SCOTUS attempt regarding original intent.
Craig, you see I said nothing of Anon's FOX like effort to spread slanderous news. I think you were right.
Bear, I would side with Ping on the Beck/Olberman comparison with some exceptions. Olberman is far more eloquent, intelligent and supported by other media. Fox tends to be isolated and Beck of course borders on lunacy. He does often grab a "fact" and then spins it into delerium. I suggest medication. Srious medication, perhaps even electro shock treatment.
Last, remember when I took issue with the 3007 NEI report that was a partisan effort to thwart Bush from hitting Iran? All intelligence agencies said with "HIGH PROBABILITY" that Iran had stopped their nuclear weaponization program. When are argued against this, I was blasted by Obama supporters as a NEOCON and a WARMONGER. Despite the fact the report said sanctions WERE effective and needed to continue, Democrats including Obama used the report to silence sanction talk. So for a year not only did we not sanction, some sanctions were loosened.
Mossad, the Brits, even the French has sufficient intel that contradicted the NEI report though the IAEA still claims they have no evidence of a bomb program. Do they think we are going to give up targets and the way we locate them? Iranian regime is a pack of liars. The Saudis are so concerned we are going to retreat and do nothing, they are considering making a deal with the Iranians and Syrians. The time is coming now for Obama to step up with more than just words. It is no surprise that 1. the Russians are now backing off their leaning towards sanctions and 2. the only AWAC the Iranians had went down in flames during their military parade last week.
P.S. It is Holder that is holding up investigations into ACORN registration fraud. If you all don't think ACORN fudged at leaset 350 votes out of 48,000 registered to get Franken the win, I have a great property to sell you.
I don't live anywhere close to your book signing locations. So, I look forward to seeing how I might get a signed copy in the future. Can I buy a book at one of your signings in absentia and have the book seller send it to me by FedEX or UPS? Thanks for looking into this matter for me and anyone else who might want a signed copy.
3007 NEI report?....lol now that NEI report would include the remark "aliens with HIGH PROBABILITY have stopped their disintergrator technology as sanctions have appeared to work........."
Original Intent is an obfuscatory ploy, all gussied up in a disguise to make it look like a doctrine. The LOC has the numerous versions that the Founders worked on before they adopted the final 2d Amendment language. All mention of an individuated right or the necessity of self defense was stripped out before the Amendment was approved. That means the Founding Fathers rejected the right of and individual to keep and bear arms. It doesn't mean that they opposed possession by individuals, just that they did not want to elevate it such possession to a right. Further, while they were not opposed to personal self defense, the Founding Fathers rejected using a personal self defense argument as a basis for the Amendment.
Thus the original intention of the Founding Fathers was exactly what the 2d Amendment says, no more and no less : "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Clearly, the Amendment is about well regulated militias. We know that from the first 4 words of the first clause. The first clause is not about the right of an individual. Not only that, but the very phrase 'bear arms' descends from the antique laws of citizenship, which in Athens was based not just on the place of birth, but also on the ability to afford and carry weapons of war in defense of the State. It was the duty of the citizen to give military service, that is, to bear arms (or in Greek, hopla pherein) for the well-being of the State. In other words, weapons were allowed for the good of the State, administered by the government, rather than any individual citizen.
Unlike the today's pseudo-intellectual gun crazies, the Founding Fathers had Classical educations, knew the ancient Athenian laws, and consciously modeled elements of the American government after some of those laws. This will come as no surprise to anyone who read the Federalist Papers, Jefferson's and Adams' diaries, or the Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. In my opinion, NRA thought is not based on the same sources.
Sarah Palin's book is going to be called "Going Rogue." Has anyone looked up the phrase "Going Rogue" in the online Urban Dictionary? One should do that. It is a hoot.
"The D.C. Circuit opinion pointed out that the phrasing indisputably shows that the right was a pre-existing one. That is, the right to keep and bear arms already existed before the Second Amendment was written. The Second Amendment merely imposed a legal requirement that the right not be infringed by the federal government. The 1875 Supreme Court decision in Cruikshank said the same thing, as both the majority and dissent agree.
So what was “the” right that pre-existed the Constitution? The majority opinion provides an obvious answer. It was the right of having arms for personal defense, as guaranteed by the 1689 English Declaration of Right, and as expounded by Blackstone: “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation,” which was effectuated by “the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence.”
If the majority is right on this point, then the Stevens dissent is plainly wrong; the Second Amendment was intended to protect a personal right to arms for self-defense. So Stevens spends a good deal of effort claiming that the 1689 English Declaration of Right and the 1789 Bill of Rights were intended to address different problems. His main support for the argument is that the state ratification debates were replete with anti-Federalist objections about the potential for abuse of the militia powers which are granted to Congress in Article I.
But Stevens’s theory requires that we ignore an obvious source of original meaning: James Madison himself. Madison’s notes for his speech introducing the Bill of Rights into the U.S. House of Representatives indicate that his arms rights amendment was based on the English arms right, and that it was intended to remedy two key defects in the English right. The first was that the English right applied only to Protestants. (Who constituted about 98% of the population.) Second, because any act of Parliament can be negated by a later Parliament, the 1689 Parliament’s adoption of the Declaration of Right would constrain the monarch, but not effectively constrain future Parliaments. According to Madison, “They [the proposed Bill of Rights] relate 1st. to private rights — . . . fallacy on both sides — espec[iall]y as to English Decln. of Rts — 1. mere act of parl[iamen]t. 2. no freedom of press — Conscience . . . attainders — arms to Protest[an]ts.”[1]
Suppose that Madison’s notes had been destroyed, and we had no knowledge of them. Would Stevens’s theory still be plausible?
Not really. If the pre-existing right is not the traditional Anglo-American right to have arms for personal defense, then what is “the” pre-existing right? Stevens claims that the pre-existing right was a right to serve in the militia while armed. Yet, as the majority points out, Stevens cannot cite a shred of evidence in support of his assertion of a pre-existing militia right.
Alone among the twenty amicus briefs filed in support of the handgun ban, Dennis Henigan’s well-written brief for the Brady Center recognized the critical importance of “the.” The brief addressed the problem by pointing out that the state militia system long predated the Constitution. Indeed, according to Henigan, it could be traced all the way back to King Henry II’s 1181 Assize of Arms. (The Assize required all free men to have particular types of weapons, depending on their social rank.) The brief should have followed the militia roots even further, back to King Alfred the Great’s (871-901) system of the Saxon fyrd. (Jefferson and other American Founders lauded the rough liberty of the Saxons, and disdained the rigid aristocracy imposed by the Normans.)
But whether one is talking about Massachusetts militia laws from 1775, or their English ancestors, those militia laws never speak of a “right” of serving armed in the militia. Militia service, like paying taxes, was always recognized as a duty. In the Whig tradition, it was an especially honorable one, but a duty nonetheless.
So there was no pre-constitutional militia “right.” There being none, the only possible antecedent for “the” right to keep and bear arms is the explicit English right to personal arms for self-defense, and its antecedent in natural law. That issue settled, Stevens’s claim that Second Amendment was originally intended to be a militia-only right collapses." David Kopel 2008
Kopel isn't using original intent for his argument except for one reference to Madison But instead he is supporting his argument with references to precedence. An entirely different tool for examining the constitutionality of an issue
maxtrue depends upon the authority of President Obama when it is convenient.
It matters less what the authors of legislation meant by a word or phrase than what we make of that word or phrase today, while meeting our present needs.
Per exemplum, the Founding Fathers had no notion of telephones, yet we use their words - not their thoughts - to govern our legal use of these tools. We do not need to know what Button Gwinnett thought of wiretapping, but his words on snooping, eavesdropping, trespass, burglary, and spying could be handy in helping us to formulate policy on wiretapping, as they touch upon the subject that troubles us. One of several reasons for upholding precision in language, rather than adopting sloppy, touchy-feely diction, is that the words of those long dead men often have great value as guides for today, but only if their words still convey a fairly consistent and precise meaning.
Hello- here is my brother's reply that he wrote for my parents. Crazy what they went through. My mom threw away the initial package- looked like junk mail and knew she had insurance with NY not the company that sent it. She is SO involved with politics ( legally blind which has curtailed many of her activities) and a HUGE Obama supporter, think she is excited that she can contribute. She is going to call Schumer's office- writing she won't be doing. Anyways, she was just full of energy this morning, wanting me to get in touch with Craig and all of you right away. This is a woman who use to travel to DC for the War marches. Thank you all for your responses, it was great to pass them on to her.
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Now they are trying to go back to their old standby election winning ways with the gun debate & the abortion issue next they will bring out the man +women=child signs which will be on many lawns. Confusing the issues is one of their favorites. It worked before but this is not an election.
Max, while I appreciate the English historical trip to the tenth century, American independence in and of itself threw away the thethers of English law and left the new United States to set its own course of law. If that isn't true, we would have a monarch today; thus, the second amendment through James Madison's intrepretation was only valid to him and those that wanted to follow his theory if not his words.
I googled David Kopel and discovered that he is attached to the CATO Institute, the leading Liberterian think tank, and has written such tomes as, "Does God Believe in Gun Control?" If God is already on your side, then it must be true that there should not be any laws restricting gun ownership and use (where's the sarcasm icon?).
I am prostrating myself before you again. Things are DESPARATE with the loss of Kennedy regarding the 94th Liberator Status. Please if you have a contact you could get interested in this campaign from MSNBC. Jamie suggests Contessa Brewer or someone equally emotional or anyone you would suggest of course.
Would it be too difficult for us to mail our purchased copy of the book, and have you return it with our enclosed addressed and postage-paid envelopes?
1. It is important to avoid confusing rights with common law usages and mere traditions. They are not the same. Further, it is important to avoid confusing government rights with the rights of states. Even further, it is important to distinguish between a right as a liberty, and an obligation to perform a civic or governmental task.
2. The rights granted by the crown in 1689 or any other year were superceded by the Constitution, and therefore null and void. Whether or not the English law and the 2d Amendment treat the same concerns is irrelevant and a red herring. Stevens' dissent is irrelevant to this discussion. By the Treaty of Paris even the British agreed that they and their laws no longer had authority in the 13 states..
3. Several states, aware that the proposed Constitution failed to provide adequate protections against tyranny, refused to ratify it.
The 2d Amendment was one of the 10 remedies offered to those worried states. It had been written and rewritten several times before it was finally adopted.
The very fact that
a) states felt a need for the Amendment, and
b) that the Founding Fathers created the Amendment, argues strongly that the Founding Fathers found no such protection in the new Constitution, and that their Original Intent was to create such protection.
4. The fact that the various successive versions of the Amendment stripped out individuated right as and language refering to self defense, argues strongly that the Amendment was intended to provide State militias' with a right to bear arms, rather than an individual right.
5. The Fyrd was the Anglelonde's national army. It died at Senlac Hill on October 14, 1066. Besides being 700 years obsolete by tthe Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, the Fyrd law does not apply to rights of individuals, but rather to obligations that landed (and they were all landed back then) aristocrats owed the crown.
Under Anglo Saxon Fyrd Law, thanes owed military service to the king. The revenue of each thane's land determined how many armed men each thane had to provide the king for a mandatory 30 days each year. IOW, it was not a right, rather it was a duty to perform in exchange for the right to take income from a specific parcel of land. In regard to this 2d Amendment discussion, the Fyrd law red herring has been irrelevant for 943 years.
6. A duty to show up with equipment to fight and perhaps die is not the same as a liberty to possess firearms.
7. The 1875 SCOTUS found in Cruikshank that it is the Federal government rather than individuals that may not infringe the right to bear arms. That decision said absolutely nothing about whose right to bear arms is addressed in the 2d Amendment. Red herring.
It would be really helpful if you would get things straight before you pontificate on them.
"...the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Leaving aside all of the theoretical clap-trap, it seems to be to really hinge on the word "infringed." There are already all kinds of restrictions on what kinds of arms may be borne, by whom are where. Are they all to be thrown out the window? If I choose to protect my home by planting landmines in my front yard, is that okay?
It really comes down to the point that this is not an absolute right, and that it is subject to reasonable rules and regulations -- reasonable to be determined first by the legislative process. In no state that I am aware of is a civilian permitted to carry a loaded weapon into a court room. This, some might say, is an infringement. Others might say that a prohibition on carrying a concealed weapon into a restaurant/bar is not an unreasonable infringement.
Ultimately, it is a matter that is probably best determined by state legislatures, which is what the upcoming case is all about.
From what I remember, no. There was a case in the '90s (I think) and some guy booby-trapped his house, and a burglar hurt himself... I believe the homeowner had criminal charges pressed against him and lost. That's all anecdotal and possibly bullshit...
Yes, of course people in colonial times and before kept arms for self defense and for hunting purposes. The only issue I have with the Heller decision is the parsing away of the "well regulated militia" and "necessary to the security of a free State" clauses from the "right to bear arms" and "shall not be infringed" clauses. I find it disingenuous to argue that the first two clauses either have no limiting meaning in the context of the sentence or that they stand as two dependent clauses, connected by a comma and separated by a comma from the final two dependent clauses, which are also connected by a comma. I'm NOT saying that either of those are what the founders had in mind when they wrote that very poorly constructed sentence, and I'm NOT saying that the founders did or did not intend that the second half of the sentence bestow an individual right on citizens. I am saying that I don't find the way in which Scalia arrived at the result in the case to be very convincing.
CJ, consistent with what you have pointed out above, our Court has repeatedly held that none of the rights bestowed by the constitution are absolute and that the states may impose reasonable restrictions on them without violating the Constitution. It has upheld some restrictions and overturned others, sometimes relying on reasoning similar to Scalia's and at other times coming up with other ways to arrive at its decisions. Makes life difficult for one who might try to predict what the court might do in any case whose decision relies upon interpretation of an ambiguous clause in the documents. Right now, the court has a rightward bent now that Kennedy has leaned that direction - so expect to see more decisions that that look a lot like Scalia's in Heller.
I've seen a set trap case that involved the death of a volunteer firefighter. Not quite the break-in that the trap setter imagined. However, a limited imagination does not excuse one.
Land mines would fall into the same set trap category, despite the alleged constitutional right of every individual to keep and bear landmines.( ;>D)<
That adoption of English Law discussion is an interesting one. On the Federal level, there is no common law. e.g. there is no right to sue anyone under Federal law unless it is provided for in statute. The underlying law that provides the cause of action is the substantive law of the states, which, at least for the 13 original ones, adopted the common law of England prior to 1789, uniformly, if memory serves me correctly. That doesn't mean that federal court is not open for lawsuits as long as the jurisdictional thresholds are crossed, and this is a gross generalization and simplification, but the courts apply the law of the states involved, at least in tort and contract cases.
beck is descended from Joe Pine and Mort Downey on the father's side, and oral roberts and garner ted armstrong on the sissy side. He is not at all related to Edward R. Morrow, William Shirer, John Gunther, or Bob Woodward.
While I admired the creativity of the alternate definition, I decided that any mention of it in this place was probably nay absolutely inappropriate. :-)
Personally, I believe that the founders had 2 reasons to protect gun rights.
They intended that the citizenry be able protect and defend their lives and property.
They intended that the citizenry be able to once again rise up and overthrow an abusive gov't like we did with the British. This never could have happened with an unarmed populace.
It is unfortunate but I believe that, as citizens, there still exists a significant risk of abuse by our elected gov't and it's increasingly large bureaucracy. I believe that an armed populace is as important today as it was then.
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47
An Indian farmer’s daughter disarmed a terrorist leader who broke into her home, attacked him with an axe and shot him dead with his own gun.
Cbob,
That's my problem. I don't keep any ammo near the guns. It'd take me 10 min to get loaded and then do anything.
I did keep a shotgun loaded in the week or so after Hurricane Ike until the street lights came back on. First shot was bird shot but the rest were serious......:)
Excuse me that would be 7000 in the next hour not the next day. The sheer size of the numbers throw me, but it is about 75 million new people per year.
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Craig called the "right to bear arms" an anachronism. That may be true if you believe government will always protect you and will always act in your best interest. If you believe that, call 911 and hit a stopwatch (don't though, unless you have to... don't want to encourage illegal abuse of resources). Even if you live in a good neighborhood, it ain't fast enough.
I could have kissed Rachel the night she did the run down of all the times various security and military firms have been convicted of fraud or their employees convicted of felonies and then compared the costs to ACORN.
All of these riled taxpayers screaming about ACORN fraud should be aware that it would take 20 years or more for ACORN to come close to the monies wasted on these suppliers many of which have had to pay back millions but are still receiving contracts.
"It is unfortunate but I believe that, as citizens, there still exists a significant risk of abuse by our elected gov't and it's increasingly large bureaucracy. I believe that an armed populace is as important today as it was then."
Good luck with your 30.06 against the United States Army.
All this gun-control talk is silly. The laws are already incredibly strict. Ask Plaxico Buress. If you get caught with an illegal gun, you're going to jail. Guess what? "Criminals" don't care, they are breaking other laws anyway, hence the need for a gun.
Cajun,
I'm sure that those colonial militamen facing the British weren't too keen on the technological differences either.......but they did it nonetheless and here we all are.......go figure....:)
True, being buried alive is not pleasant, and I feel deeply for the pain of those people. I hope we are in there with aid as rapidly as possible.
Unfortunately, the other side of that coin is that the world is down to about a 1.1% increase and that still means millions every year. How to bring it down even farther while allowing a die off period of the elderly at a steady rate is absolutely necessary except for what it does to a world economy that supposedly needs to keep growing.
At the rate the species is stripping the environment, we could all be dying in some very unpleasant ways within 50 years.
Article IV, Section 102 of Alabama's Constitution of 1901 decrees: "The legislature shall never pass any law to authorize or legalize any marriage between any white person and a negro, or descendant of a negro."
Well , let's all keep an idea on this little gem -
PHOENIX - Wednesday, September 30, a new gun law goes into effect. Concealed-weapons-permit holders will be able to carry concealed handguns into bars and restaurants.
P.S. It was repealed in 2000 in a statewide referendum with 60%(!) of the voters voting to repeal the provision that had been voided by prevailing Federal law.
ree, good idea. it's halloween time almost so maybe throw a sheet over him and go as duke, the bush beans dog... or david duke... or as a "ghost" writer and plug his new book
Excuse me Jax, but that's silly shit. Go stand with Gl'eck, sorry you missed the Take My Country Back seminar - I'm sure there was plenty of similar discussin there among the idiots who attended.
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You hit it. The Originators probably never intended for the tactics they invented against a foreign power to be turned on them domestically to bring down the government they founded.
"It is unfortunate but I believe that, as citizens, there still exists a significant risk of abuse by our elected gov't and it's increasingly large bureaucracy. I believe that an armed populace is as important today as it was then."
My cabbie last week in a small town in Scotland (a former boxer) had time for just a few questions during our short ride about what is it really like in America. One of those questions was, "don't you have too many guns over there?" We seem to have an image problem.
"Good luck with your 30.06 against the United States Army"
CJ
Except they wouldn't be taking on the Army but rather the US government. It is a lot softer target and easier to scare.
Then again look at what the Afghans are able to do with light weapons and high explosive.
The 2nd amendment is a reflextion of the conflict between those who feared mob rule and those like Jefferson who said"What's the problem with a little revolution."
The second amendment is obviously a punt on the founding fathers part.
No, jax, but that is where we differ. I sleep well, and not overly concerned about the risk of government abuse, certainly not concerned enough to feel like the citizenry needs to be armed to prevent that. Really, now - a risk of abuse at the hands of democrats and bureaucrats? After the attack on our liberties by the Bush regime? I can't quite picture it.
CBob, the wife and I went out to lunch today and saw our first posted "no guns allowed" in the restaurant sign. Yes, the restaurant owner can chose guns or no guns with signage. Letter to the editor this morning said, if they didn't see a no guns sign they weren't going to eat there and they would take their business elsewhere. It's going to be interesting to see AZ return to the wild west where people will be asked to check their guns at the door of restaurants, bars, taverns, and any place else people can drink alcohol. No word yet on guns in churches or schools. But, as the rest of the world knows, people can bring guns to political rallies, even when the president is speaking. Yaa hooo, ride 'em cowboy!
And to Washington's he stepped down after two terms and we have peaceably, despite more than a few electoral shenanigans and upheavals, continued electing leaders for 220 years since.
I had less trouble picturing that a couple years ago.
I'm trying to remember the last time a significant number of citizens tried to overthrow their oppressive government - oh, wait, I think they called it the Civil War Seems the last time that kind of thing worked there was an ocean between the citizens and the government they were opposing. No, wait, an armed citizenry overthrew an oppressive government about 30 years ago - in Iran. The world has certainly applauded that.
Jamie,
I know that we get a quick patdown search now at the professional football, baseball and basketball games here in Houston. Do they do that in other venues here in the US?
Jax, but seriously - our citizens are not afraid of their government because they can change it. The more paranoid ones may be afraid of it, but most people are satisfied that our leaders respect the mechanisms that put them in office enough to leave when those mechanisms put someone else in their place. IMHO it has nothing to do with arms.
You live in the wild west - do you feel safer or less safe when you see someone you don't believe is with law enforcement or the military wearing a sidearm? How about if you hear gunshots? That's the kind of stuff that can keep me up at night.
So Jax, can you come up with an instance where a citizenry rebelled against the government and a democracy happened.
And you can't use us as an example because we were already a collection of funtioning independent governing bodies. The English were trying to regain authority over us.
Pogo,
Guns don't bother me in the least. I suppose because I know that I have one too.....albeit mine are all locked up in safe and the key is locked in a drawer........not very quick response...:)
I'd say that my biggest concern for myself and my family would be a drunk or impaired driver.........I see so many close calls and an accident almost everyday.......
Didn't know I had that assignment but OK.....I guess the next one after us was the French Republic. They had a rough run of it. But after Napoleon they sort of got it right.......
Jack,
There are alot of forms of gov't that have been instituted after a rebellion. I think its kind of presumputous to think that every one must result in a democracy. Historically that's never been the case.
Yes, drunk/impaired drivers are a problem - about half as many people are killed by drunk drivers in the US annually as by gunshots (16,885 in 2005 vs. 31,000 +/- gunshot deaths in 2006 - and less than 1.5% of gunshot fatalities are a result of law enforcement intervention). But I do get your point and don't diasagree abou tthe threat of impaired drivers, and I frankly do think more about that threat than I do gun violence.
But I guess I should run out and see what the kid is up to. It's homecoming week and there are outside festivities that he's enjoying despite the dropping thermometer. Manana.
I can't think of any either, in fact most armed rebellions seem to end up like your example of France and Pogo's example of Iran where some form of authoritarian rule picks up the pieces and restores order.
People will give up a lot for an ordered society.
Jack, his use of original intent in the essay I posted is exactly how others have used it in different cases. I picked this quotation, (though some would rather avoid dealing with what Kopel wrote and digress into refutation by association), because it shows a good example of original intent. And we don't have to read Madison’s mind. Are you saying this doesn't matter? Are you mreally saying that when evidence presents itself we should ignore it in our effort to apply Constitutional law? Was Jefferson and Franklin, Hamilton and others unaware of what Madison intended? Is there record of this, or is this original intent consistent with the record and affirmed by a national vote? You can always change it, yes?
Some argue that precedent and original intent have no meaning in interpreting the Constitution. Well, I am glad this is not the mainstream view. It certainly hasn’t been advocated by any Supreme Court nominees. It reminds me of the mantra that Bush above all others sought to destroy the Constitution. Some prefer to have one the way they think it ought to read. We see over and over the same people belittling original intent and precedent yet make the opposite argument when the court rules in their favor. Selective Constitutionalism Sorry that contemporary interpretation leads down memory lane.
New Pogo and others, I hardly advocated that the 2nd implies no restrictions. Arms could reasonable mean stingers and there are consistent Constitutional laws that make such weapons illegal. In fact, in a seminal case more than seventy five years ago the court rejected an appeal regarding a shot gun used in self defense, merely because it wasn't a weapon a militia used. That was factually wrong however as US forces at the time, did in fact use shot guns. It will be interesting how the court comes down on restrictions. Given the already out of control situation in Chicago, a partial martial law could Constitutionally restrict gun possession, though some would argue such neighborhoods are exactly where citizens need guns to protect themselves. Before everyone starts quoting gun death statistic, take a look at death by preventable infection at American hospitals. We could cherry pick all night. That is not to say that local and State government has no power to restrict. The total ban which Obama gave contradictory judgments of seems to on the block for rejection as the court has issued some recent decision, again, Obama did not reject when questioned during the campaign.
XRepub, don't blow a gasket. Whatever you think of Kopel, the counter to your bandwidth is reasonable. The court ruled as such already because precedent and original intent informed what Sotomayer advocated as following the law. If you want to change it, there is a Constitutional mechanism that probably goes back as far as your history lesson. The lack of criminal convictions for having a gun prior to the 2nd speaks volumes as to the right of such possession. As I said, Franklin kept a rifle and ammo for his wife to use while he was overseas. On one occasion, an angry mob nearly burned down his house when Franklin was in England. Madison was not alone in his intent and what other person objected to his meaning? You can post all you want, but there was a modern concept of the right to have a gun for self-protection in the very law our Founders used for their formulation of our Constitution. It wasn't Greek or Assyrian law they pondered the majority of the time, but how to modify the Federalism and Common Law, Individual Rights and Secularism they brought with them to our shores and that consititued their immediate customs and inclinations. Note that guns more so than abortion have claim to such "rights", yet the mere fact abortions were legal in colonial times provides evidence to abortion supporters the Constitution could not possible in itself prohibit abortion and I agree. What is left are for States and the Federal government the power to restrict.
David Brin, the Science Fiction author wrote this essay several years ago that I've always though was a good compromise solution to the 2nd amendment problem the founding fathers passed on to us.
I'll tell ya... if you had told ME 3 months ago that the Republicans would be able to get their 'troops' all riled up.. (and those people who showed up at the town halls all looked like THEY needed healthcare) and chant 'WE DONT WANT HEALTHCARE!' How in the WORLD can anyone NOT want healthcare? After shooting down healthcare in the 90s you would THINK that every Dem that got elected would be LINING up to vote for it. Those Blue Dogs are on the WRONG side of this. They were elected BECAUSE fo Obama, because healthcare was an election issue. It's times like these that make people who live in the OTHER western democracies feel very grateful that they live where they live.
Posted by: jaxtrader | September 30, 2009 3:47 PM : "Personally, I believe that the founders had 2 reasons to protect gun rights."
Funny that they didn't say so, doncha think ?
When you feel that need to shoot Federal officials, Jax, be sure and let the Secret Service know about it a few weeks ahead of time. It could mean the difference between 3 square meals a day in a soft room, and the Federal gas chamber at Leavenworth.
well the first thing to happen was a general seized power and declared himself emperor.
Then every few years they bounced back and forth between dictatorship civil war and democracy for almost 100 years and the PRE was formed(party of institutionalized revolution of something like that.) Then they had a one party state , (with elections) up until recently, when they finally have what would be recognised as a stable democracy.
Well mostly stable.
After my little run in with the local cops which I talked about here last month. My Brother in law said that was a good reason for the second amendment. I pointed out to him that there were a lot of them and I couldn't afford the ammo to take on the whole police department and besides I wasn't feeling suicidal that day.
Blue Dogs were elected on the spin they ran on, not Obama's healthcare plan and they gave the Democrats the edge in 2004 and 2008. They weren't elected to give the Democrats the edge, it just ended up that way. Before you vilify them, understand what they object to.
Gees, Clinton compromised with Republicans and Democrats can't even compromise with their own members. It is either Pelosi's plan or the highway? That is why there is an obstacle and I predicted the danger in advancing the causes without being realistic would cause problems. You should be happy ACORN was able to get that 60th vote in office. And without Blue Dogs Obama would have a worse time, not a better time because where Blue Dogs come from the people are not likely to elect Durbin or Boxer.
That is so foolish XRepub. It is quite clear our Founders did in fact want the people to have the ability to overthrow tyranny euther State or Federal. The criteria was established in the great document they wrote in 1776. Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you understand why we revolted against England? Have you read the Declaration of Independence? How can you argue that "militia" was added to the right of self defense for this very point as Jax suggests. Wasn't it Reagan who nationalized State militias? That struck me as going against the 2nd.There are actually two rights in the 2nd, one growing out of the first. The individual has a right to have a gun for self-defense and the People have a right to have arms to check domestic tyranny.
Just imagine what you would be saying if Cheny declared martial law and ordered you to watch FOX news. I bet you would be cleaning your chambers......
Posted by: Colorado Bob | September 30, 2009 4:22 PM : "Because nothing says fun like , an autoloader, and Black Jack on the rocks."
I associate the word autoloader with Remington. I
have an early 12 ga autoloader that I got from a fellow who went AWOL from the British Navy in 1914 and 55 years later was still afraid that they find and hang him.
I love that big old culvert, but it isn't really that much fun to shoot. My own idea of a bang up good time would be a street sweeper, although I hear they tthat end to be very pushy bastards. The old russian PPSH43 with the big drum is pretty fun. I never owned a machine gun. Sigh. M79s are a kick, too, but it's too hard, expensive, and illegal to get grenades for them these days.
dynamite is fun too,
I havn't bought any in years. Last time I bought some was back when Reagan was president. All you had to do at that time was declare you were sane. They didn't ask you to prove it. Which was a good thing because my buddy , Dean would have had a problem there.
I am waiting Jack for you to show me what original intent you have that contradicts Madison's view. Show me a Founder or State Representitive that denied citizens have no right to own a firearm. The link below points you in the direction of eraly State Consitutions.
i know it's off the wall......but the last time armed citizens tried to fend off the federal gov't it resulted in "reconstruction" for the confederate states......
what i mean is....all the guns in someone's basement arent going to do them one lick of good unless the govt disappears....cause if the govt wants to oppress you then youre gonna get oppressed guns or no guns.....in fact, given the fact that one has guns, one would probably be oppressed and shot as well......
Posted by: maxtrue | September 30, 2009 6:52 PM : "That is so foolish XRepub. It is quite clear our Founders did in fact want the people to have the ability to overthrow tyranny euther State or Federal. The criteria was established in the great document they wrote in 1776. Where do you come up with this stuff?"
It apparently escaped your notice, but with only a couple of exceptions the '76 crowd and the '89 crowd were different people with different concerns.
Only an utter fool would intimate that the British rule was overthrown by individuals. It is just as stupid to suppose that an individual with a fowling piece could take down an oppressive Federal government in 1789, as it would be today. That is one of several reasons that states wanted guarantees that they could maintain "well regulated militias" - a state militia having at least some possibility of cutting big Federal britches down to size.
If there were anything written by the men who attended the Constitutional Convention regarding a general agreement or even a large minority of opinion among them, favoring an individual right to keep and bear arms, absent membership in a militiaman, you would have brought it up yesterday. You have not. Instead, you bombarded us with inconsequential factoids such as Cruikshank, and for God's sake, the Saxon Fyrd, curiosities that have absolutely no bearing on individual rights to bear arms or the history of the 2d Amendment. You flailed about, thrusting forward your errant suppositions regarding what YOU say must have been in the Founding Fathers' minds, such as a desire that men be armed, rather than what the Founders actually said. It is their opinion that counts in this discussion, not your delusions.
In the last day, you produced not a single, solitary, actual, relevant fact to support your position. We can all see you legal impotence, and your failure after all these hours to make any cogent point. So, who are you to call anyone else a fool ?
"Wednesday's White House session was believed to have been the most high-powered gathering so far.
It was to have included Vice President Joe Biden; Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton; Gates; Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan; Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Gen. David Petraeus, U.S. Central Command; McChrystal; Admiral Dennis Blair, director of National Intelligence; CIA Director Leon Panetta; Karl Eikenberry, U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan; Anne Patterson, U.S. ambassador to Pakistan; and national security adviser Gen. James Jones" Now can anyone guess what this crew will lean towards? Of course, Biden will liven up the party.
Give it a rest XRepub. Read "The Right To Bare Arms". You can find it at the Kopel link above. She goes into great detail explaining common misperception of English law. I am glad however I convinced you of the importance of original intent, or as some unintelligent people call originalism. Certainly you understand the utility of precedent.
Better yet, go to Althouse and post very loudly what you post here. I am sure several Constitutional lawyers can debate you. I am not one.
"Blue Dogs were elected on the spin they ran on, not Obama's healthcare plan and they gave the Democrats the edge in 2004 and 2008. They weren't elected to give the Democrats the edge, it just ended up that way. Before you vilify them, understand what they object to."
Hi Max,
I think the Blue Dogs are shameful!! They vote against a public option not out of conviction or what they ran for office on,but because their bought off by the Insurance companies,imo..I'm going to Firedog soon and give a donation to run ads against them...
Thee was the Bonus Army march and camp out. Not exactly a rebellion or violent except on the Federal side.
Nothing quite like the US Army led by McArthur and Patton gassing veterans and violating the posse comitatas.
The 1932 march was brutally suppressed by U.S. Army troops under the leadership of Douglas MacArthur and George S. Patton. After his election, Franklin D. Roosevelt, offered members of the Bonus Army work building the Overseas Highway in the Florida Keys. In 1936 Congress, overriding Roosevelt's veto, allowed the veterans to redeem their certificates early.
many of the ones who went to work on the florida keys highway wound up drowned and missing after the hurricane of 35.....Hemingway wrote about it......can't remember the name of the piece, though
I never wrote that original intent is unimportant, rather I pointed out that it is a tool that has value on occasion. There is a difference.
I also wrote that scalia, the premiere proponent of the Original Intent (besides bork of self-inflicted irrelevance), ignores his doctrine in his own decision making, as he did in the appointment of the bushcheneyrumdumb Junta. Pogo pointed out correctly, that scalia legislated from the bench in his very anti-Original Intent-ist opinion in District of Columbia v Heller. Again, if the most vocal proponent of the doctrine doesn't feel a need to follow it, why should anyone else?
Max sed: "You should be happy ACORN was able to get that 60th vote in office."
Here's another one of those diddies max repeats so often that he believes it.
Max, Jamie countered that crap yesterday. If there was a fraudulent voter ACORN signed up, they didn't get to vote. If the voter was legit they did. End of story. ACORN assisted with registration not conducting elections.
Microsoft Security Essentials has just been released. It's a quite well tested program intended to protect people from Viruses and a host of other security problems. I am using it on my computers.
Dow Jones Newswires - citing unnamed sources - said the firm was considering buying theme parks operated under Busch Entertainment Corp.
Buying the parks could make sense for Blackstone, whose investments include Universal Studios Orlando and Madame Tussauds wax museums.
According to its Web site, Anheuser-Busch InBev owns 10 amusement parks, including three SeaWorlds, two Busch Gardens and such other parks as Sesame Place and Adventure Island.
What I am suggesting is that ACORN was caught on video telling voters to register as Democrats. Is anybody going to deny they want to register Democrats? Last summer I saw a video where ACORN registration workers told people that the Democrats were the ones to vote for. One worker boasted she could sign people up as Democrats. So out of the 43,000 people ACORN registered, how many were nudged to register as Democrats? Not a huge number I suspect, but given their registration behavior, does anyone think they did not produce higher numbers of Democrats because of their advocacy? That was my only point and not that ACORN engaged in voter fraud.
On another matter more important matter, I clearly recall Obama responding to critics last summer by denying he ever said he would sit down with Ahmadinejad. He said "the leader of Iran" indicating one of the Mullahs Pundits talked about it for days because Obama had originally mentioned ahmadinejad. I brought it up here at the time and wonder what the game was. Under attack, Obama suggested then during his Daschle visit to Iowa, some basic pre-conditions and "talking to the leader of Iran", not Ahmadinejad.
So now Iran says no to talks over nuclear question. They'll get back to us on inspection. They won't talk about other secret facilities. Ahmadinejad denies the murder of 6 million Jews as something historians should first reach consensus over. He fires missiles including long range and suggests to Larry King that the US was behind the murder of Nada like we murdered another girl in our staging the attempted coup of Chavez.
So what might Obama do? Suspend sanctins for six weeks and sit down with Ahmadinejad?
Would it be wrong to say that Obama lied during the primary, or that he said one thing, changed his mind and now changes his mind back to his initial position?
P.S. Gitmo detainee killed fighting in Yemen and another detainee appears in new AQ video (see MEMRI BLOG). The numener of released detainees returning to fight for terrorists is rising as the January deadline on Gitmo approaches. I did say a year ago, there would be major problems. Instead of Gitmo has Obama rendered anyone to a third party?
Gitmo is still a bushco screwup. There is no good solution only different bad ones and the worst one is to keep doing it the Bushco way and behaving like some tin pot dictator by disappearing our enemies.
So far you've yet to give us a solution, you are just against what ever solution that may come from Obama.
InBev ended the Anheuser-Busch's 50-year tradition of handing out free beer samples on January 25th. Busch Gardens Tampa does have a full liquor licensee. I am sure Blackstone will get a great discount on InBev's products. What will happen to The Budweiser Clydesdales?
The court here was not very impressed with the republicans' million dollar election lawsuit on behalf of norman b coleman JUNIOR. I present below a reasonably accurate account of a crazy moment in the coleman/Franken legal wrangle :
The lead-off coleman citizen witness, presented by the moronic republican leader of team coleman, resented loudly that his absentee vote wasn't counted, and that he felt as if his citizenship was dimininshed as a result.
The Franken Atty asked the coleman witness why the signature on his absentee ballot and the signature on the ballot envelope were in 2 different hands.
The coleman supporter supposed that it was because he signed the envelope, but didn't sign the ballot.
FA : Who did sign the ballot ?
cw : My girlfriend. See, she was here, and I was in FL.
FA : Oh. So, who filled in the ballot ?
cw : My girlfriend.
FA : So, are you claiming that this is your ballot, or hers.
cw : You don't get it. My ballot wasn't counted.
His Honor : Maybe, that's because you didn't really vote. Counsel, are you through with this witness, yet ? I am.
"If you all don't think ACORN fudged at leaset 350 votes out of 48,000 registered to get Franken the win, I have a great property to sell you."
Max- How is one suppose to interpret what you are suggesting with that comment?
All voter drive org. have their biases. That's the biz they're in.
Just as some ACORN workers pushed people towards Dem registrations, as Pogo suggested, if the GOP was promoting a more favorable position then people would support them. Besides my father was a registered Dem but he told me he voted for the Republican on occasion.
Which reminds me. . Did I tell you my dad was an old Indian fighter . .. . and my mom was an old Indian LOL
I noticed an assertion that a video was made of ACORN engaging in violations of election laws. I also noticed that the location of this affront to God and man was not named. The lack of place identification tells me that the video was not likely to come from MN, and thus has nothing to do with Franken, even if it is not a hoax.
I could be wrong, but I think it's a fair assumption.
Posted by: Colorado Bob Author Profile Page | September 30, 2009 3:59 PM
I know somebody in the Montana state legislature. I am trying to see if he knows anything about this,it's my nieces brother in law, it's like starting a chain letter to get the query to him :) I would like to know what they are doing too. I know what they have offered to do.
Did I ever tell you about the time in 1990 when I caught the 'young' republican who tried make off with the ballot box from a polling place in St Paul's ghetto ?
I still don't know why I let him live. No jury would have convicted me.
Send your guns to me. I'll make sure that you aren't forced by Constitutional Amendment against your will to bear arms and defend yourself. And, at no extra cost to yourself, I'll direct you to the Friends Meeting nearest Castle Bloggingham.
I have no statistics to back it up, but I would surmise that gun-exchange (for cash or food or the like) programs are the best way to get as many as possible guns off the streets, especially in impoverished, crime-ridden communities.
Good video. I have ZERO patience with hysteria. That's one, of many, things that I don't miss from the Bush/hysterical/duck we're gonna die administration.
It isn't black/African Americans that whitey needs to fear as the 'majority', It's hispanics, so the data says.
There have been some very odd earthquake patterns lately. There was a huge bump in the number in the California area and more in the central east around Tennessee and South Carolina. Not to mention the increase in the Gulf of Mexico.
I'm still amazed that the Hayward fault hasn't gone with all of the pressure being released in the south. That's got to be building up pressure in the Oakland area.
Add in the continued lack of solar spots and things get more strange and eerie. Which incidentally were the two people that didn't show up to my first calculus class. Tony Strange and Steven Eerie. True story.
If our pundits just keep getting more and more weird it just seems to be in fitting with the times.
pitted prunes, golden raisins, or dates for a dried fruit snack?
I took the prunes.
And Craig, if Imus can get his lawyers to get out of the RFD-TV deal, can't your lawyer negotiate a deal with msnbc to allow you, say...two appearances a month with Imus on FBN and WABC?
So, does anyone know if that felonious skunk, and Iranian mole in the reagan White House, bud mcfarlane, has registered as a foreign agent yet ? Or is that dirty old turncoat bastard still pretending to be a American patriot ?
Okay. Since you insist on knowing my position on the roman polanski affair, I say that the guy could make a dynamite prison movie, if he only got some time to study the matter up close and personal.
D'ya suppose he could do time, bunking with mad old charlie manson ? That could be a real plus - give polanski a boning knife and let him take the other bunk. In no time at all, taxpayers would be able to save 2 meals a day, plus a donut & coffee. polanski could even film his revenge for his first blockbuster since Chinatown. The filleting of charlie would make a helluva scene, doncha think ? Yup, it'd be box office gold. And the best part is the Son of Sam Law, that would prevent polanski from profiting from his crime. The profit from ticket sales could go to nutcase research & finding a cure for pedophilia.
Okay, now ya know how I feel about it, so's ya can stop all the nagging.
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ivy - Hope you had a great time in Scotland. Agree on the image issue. My friends had an Aussie stay with them and he couldn't believe all of the guns they had, the gun shows, the concealed handgun law...and all of the cheese we put on everything.
Pentagon Journal Calls For Repeal Of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
"At some point, it would be nice if President Barack Obama would join this emerging vanguard of thought urging for the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" before it completely passes him by"
And not to beat a dead horse to death, but I haven't forgot about Michele Bachman who has blood on her head and hands in the death of Bill Sparkman the part time Census Worker who was murdered.
Remember the information was going to be used to deny Republicans Health Care.
Ping, the day the Republicans start working instead of being the Party on No maybe than something will get done. Until then it will only get worse until America becomes the next Bagdad.
"But to Americans who this week witnessed the revolting rejection by Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee of even mild reforms like the proposed "public option," the Florida congressman's words will sound like the sanest message coming not just from his side of the aisle but from all of official Washington."
Pat - I can tell you that duelling security suites can cause all sorts of annoyances in a computer - one or the other, but not both. You would need to deactivate McAfee, although that is what I use at home and nothing has gotten past it yet - just enable the auto update functionand McAfee should work fine for you.
He is a dry drunk who has substituted one addiction for another instead of getting to the bottom of why he was drinking in the first place. No real change, still crazy after all these years.
Thank you, yes we indeed had a magical trip to see Scottish castles and birds and such, and not even in a "touristy" spot. Could have stayed happily another month, or at least until it turns too cold.
It may not be guns, but learned at least one problem our respective cultures have in common..."young lads drive recklessly" and smash up their cars and their lives. There was a gruesome fresh accident-cleanup scene on a rural road that will stay in my head for a while. Still don't know if those boys survived, or how they might have.
I put some photos up at Carol's Southern Spice blog (listed on the TM blog roll)...castles, that is, not crash scenes,
I kept both and they seem to be perking along together just fine so far. I didn't try to remove the McAfee during the mircorsoft download even though that message comes up. I'll let you know if anything hiccups.
Jamie -- youmentioned Beck being a dry drunk who substuted addictions....just made me understand who some of my Republican friends are Republicans. Many were drunks, and after AA they became wing nuts.
It has always been MY interpretation of of the second amendment that since there was NO standing army to protect the US of A the citizens of said US of A should be armed and ready to protect the US of A from take over by an unfriendly country. Since grocery stores were pretty well non-existent at that time the same guns could be used to provide protein for their families.
Yeah, pat, me, too. Dell helped me through the shut down process for all but McAfee - and I needed the help I might add. (I can't believe I'm saying something positive about Dell's customer service - after having waited for literally hours to actually talk with them on more than one occasion). Those problems are common - google it and you'll get a bunch of hits. I think I had AVG and McAfee trying to run at the same time and reading each other as viruses or something like that - and the computer was not acting consistently, so it was very difficult to figure out. Anyway, after I disabled AVG, Mcafee took ove r and all has been well since.
I don't know why some of you (us) have a problem with Gl'eck.
Jack, I didn't know I needed to come up with a plan for Gitmo myself. One would think the Prsident would have a good one from the start. Like Afghanistan, he often makes bold, wonk-like declarations, only to later reveal how unthought out his plan was.
Okay. Based on the latest reports of how Gitmo was working and that Gitmo detainees are returning to terror when released. I would keep it open with better judicial review. I have no problem with the President reviewin the cases and putiing in better safeguards, but his "solution" was campaign fodder. If the solution is more third party renditions or running illegal combatants through the American courts, ti is bad policy. While we are on the subject of original intent...lol, spies were shot. I can only speculate on what Washingtom would have done to terrorists, though I am sure he would distinguish between "suspects" and terrorists. I suppose he would have a military court decide the merits of a particular case based on the field reports of how a particular person was captured.
Moving to Afghanistan, some media outlets are already connecting McChrystal to the Tilman death. Stewart dealt with this last night. Gates and Obama picked McChrystal, but the Democratic/Media pre-emption of his credibility is already underway as Democrats know what his report will request.
On Healthcare and ACORN:
So far, Democrats have rejected photo ID for verification of healthcare applications and are not likely to vote for Congress having to buy their healthcare the way we do, giving Rangel the boot. After eight years of Bush, will one person here blast the sordidness of what is going on regarding Jarret? The Daley connection is fact as is the poor housing she ran in Chicago, the very housing that will be worth much more should Obama win Chicago the Olympics. While the administration says she will not profit, just look at the history, These poor people were given crap housing and will be kicked out should the Olympics come. Rezko and Jarret have strong links to Obama and their housing projects are sad. Why not use the same crony outrage used on Bush to shine the light on the same crap? Gee, let me guess why not.
I think my reply regarding ACORN should be obvious. What has always bothered me is that pro-GOP groups like some churches etc, or pro-Democratic groups like ACORN should not be able to pretend they simply register voters. Only the brain dead would fail to see ACORN was proud they could convince people to register as Democrats. Out of the 43,000 they registered in Minn (and yes, they registered dead people which was caught and shows "intent"), it is reasonable to assume they won over at least 400 votes. They was my only point. Registration, watch dog groups, regulators should be non-partisan. The CBO and other groups like the FDA and the EPA should be non partisan. That is my big beef and it has NOTHING to do with partisan politics which ACORN is in neck deep. Franken himself thanked ACORN. FOr what? Their non-partisan help? Some at ACORN even took credit for Franken's victory, so I find Rex's comment rather pointless. I never denied Jamie's claim that ACORN was not accused of voter fraud.
In 25-years of home computing, I've never had a virus make it on to my systems. Normal caveats apply as to future occurrences :)
IMO opinion the new MSFT product is credible and makes the use of other products unnecessary. It's been my experience that having multiple active (vs passive) anti-virus software on one computer is redundant, at best, and crippling, at worst.
I have installed the new, free, MSFT product on my Windows 7 netbook which is running the version of Win 7 that will be released later this month; they coexist happily.
If you were innocent before arriving at Gitmo and was tortured for five to seven years I guess you too would be fighting against us if you were finally released.
We have made more terrorists by using torture against innocent people and the killing of civilians {think Blackwater now known as Ze} if we had followed the Law.
But the Bush\Cheney War Criminals did more to endanger our National Security then anything President Obama could ever do.
So yes, a few innocent victims of the Bush\Cheney War Crimes Family will turn to terrorism because of what we did to them. If they weren't terrorist before we got them we made them terrorists now.
I had Norton 360 with all the extras NewPogo. Last year my computer ran for months with some kind of trojan Norton failed to detect until last Feb when my computer crashed taking everything but files on outlook which seem immune. I canceled my contract and got AVG which I have had no problem with so far. Norton had the nerve to 1. fail to give me credit for old software I had upgraded to 360 with a half a year to go, 2. continued to charge me for 360 renewal using my credit card on file with no approval. They did correct the error after heated phone calls.
We just got a Mac Notebook and boy is that great. My next desktop will be an Apple though you don't get quite as much power for the buck. Apple doesn't even need security protection. TV makers say the wave of the future will be TV computers though I wonder what system they will run on.
I will avoid comments regarding Dell. Some very bad comments and some good ones.....
In all respect I differ with you about Microsoft. Microsoft had the NSA working on their operating systems with regards to its security.
Since the NSA is a spy organization would you really trust Microsoft or them {the NSA} not to put back door entrances into the operating system so they can access ones computer whenever they want to?
Once again Anon I refuse to do your homework. Several detainees released went back to do exactly what we suspected they would do. Your explanation is bullshit as Uhgers wanted prison rather than going back to China. Support your claim that the detainees I listed were turned into terrorists. The record shows they returned to their inclination and former behavior, but that fact does not fit your slanted view. One was just killed in Yemen trying to terrorize their government. He simply changed theater and DID NOT ATTCK the US. Most detainees returning to terror DO NOT ATTCK the US directly. SO there goes your smart theory. The Saudis failed to reform several detainees who escaped and now are working with AQ to topple the Saudi regime. Recent video of AQ shows another detainee. Other detainnes include a bomber who killed eight in Iraq (not US forces) and another now deputy of AQ operations in Afghanistan. As I said, do your homework before spouting.
My comments include sufficient judicial review of indctments, but SCOTUS has ruled several times on the basic Constitutional right of the adminsitration, this and the former. There are ways to reform the system rather than accept your extreme rejections.
Oh Sturg.. No joking.. The thought of recall of Grayson may be talk now but the airways from most directions in this area have no respect for Grayson.
I think he only wants to be a one termer... Maybe we can help make him a half term as he seems to be a half wit
The problems with Gitmo and the approach we took to apprehend, detain and try (well, the first two) suspected terrorists and/or enemies of the US are legion. No matter that there was little or no vetting of the initial arrests and capture by paid bounty hunters who we knew nothing about, no matter that we held hundreds of men without charges or sufficient facts to support bringing any charges, then released them after years of captivity, no matter that in many cases we created impossible situations for those detainees who may have wished to return to their homes and families. And no matter that what we did violated the very conventions we signed and used to prosecute and execute enemies who had done the same more or less to our soldiers in WWII. What is at the heart of the problem with Gitmo and the Bush cabal's approach to the detainees there is that the methods we used and procedures we employed run counter to any notion of fundamental fairness upon which both our civil and military legal systems are based upon.
There is some truth in Max's noting that some detainees have joined our enemies after their release - which justifies nothing that we did. There was insufficient evidence to detain or try them, so their subsequent behavior proves nothing. And there is some truth to AP's suggestions in his 9:43 post. The damn sham eis that for the past 8 years we have forgotten that we aren't the kind of people who refuse to respect basic human rights and the rule of law, and the world knows that we can and do ignore those things when we want to.
Max, I haven't had any experience with Norton in over 10 years. They were the early leader in security stuff, but the last time I looked into actually buying security software, they were among the most expensive, and did not rate as well as some of the cheaper ones. I was happy enough with AVG and am happy enough with McAfee, which I only started using because I got a free year's worth with one of our computers and it was easy enough to renew it online when the trial period ran out.
I laugh (foolishly I imagine) about computer secrurity - Mrs. P is scared to death to buy things online and provide her CC number to do so, sure that her info will be intercepted andher identity stolen. I do that stuff all the time - but I also use PayPal when I can, keep my security software up to date, and don't buy from sites that strike me as questionable - really, can I trust a site that claims to be selling a Les Paul for $250? I think not. She has been a victim of identitiy theft, credit card fraud and the like on 3 occasions. I never have (knock on wood).
"The record shows they returned to their inclination and former behavior" Sorry, Max, the record shows no shuch thing. If it did, they would have been charged and subsequently convicted if the evidence was clear enough. Suspicion of terrorist activity is not the same as evidence of it. That is the disconnect.
The AA program just helps alcoholics stop drinking. In many ways those 12 steps are very regimented. It is replacing one addiction with another. Now how much farther the drinker goes towards a real "cure" is up to them. Many never go that extra many miles, they just find another addiction to keep them from drinking and the more rigid the demands or belief system the better. The extremes of political thought fit that solution very, very well.
We've had pretty good luck with Dell, but then we only have Gateway and HP to compare to. Of the 3 we had the best luck with our HP box, but when it came time to replace it Dell had much better specs and features for the same price. With the exception of the duelling virus program issues, I don't think we've had any trouble with our Dell boxes. And when the antiviur program that is on the Netbook we got expires, I'm going to think about following Flatus' lead although I hate MS on principle. And I have heard very good things about the Apple products - most people who have them just won't shut up about how great they are..
New Pogo, I agree with the fact that Bush failed to set up a system that was reasonable. cloaking Gitmo in a partisan shroud that was counterproductive. This was stupid and you all would laugh were you to see my rant before 2004 (which would include my anger over the lack of phase IV planning in Iraq).
This entire Gitmo Fiasco could have been avoided by bringing in the Democratic centrists at the time and resolving to lead our national security in a bipartisan manner. Rove would have none of this. Those Democratic centrists called for REFORM, but after Bush failed to listen, this cry became more extreme. I suspect that if you were in charge, you would have approciated we were dealing with SUSPECTED illegal combatants (normally funneled by both Parties to third party torture) and arranged a system that had proper judicial review. My objection to Obama's approach was that plan should come first and then declarations. His behavior shows exactly the campaign mode, inexperianced, confusing style I suspected last summer.
I am strongly opposed to any serious inability of innocent people not having an opportunity to have their situation reviewed by independent watch dogs that are really Independent and non partisan. Such watch dogs must have security clearence and know how to keep secrets. The failure of us not creating more honestly non partisan regulators is one reason why we go in an endless and self-destructive circle.
In reply to orginal intent, I never suggested that that alone, or "mind-reading" trumps the more traditional means by which we apply the Constitution and I am sensitive to the claim conservatives would love to base law on what they think our dead founders thought. Obviously many of them could live with slavery including Madison who certainly did not advocate Blacks had a right to guns. In fact as some gun advocates point out, early gun control sought to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and were racist regulations, something the Black Panthers reminded Americans about.
This is the highest estimate of terror recidivism I've seen from the Pentagon report released earlier this year. Most analyses report that 14% are either confirmed or suspected of have in "returned" to terrorist activiites. the key chink in the report is the "suspected" part. What a load of ass covering crap. And if the reports of those who were released are acurate, it supports my argument about who incompetent our Gitmo venture has been.
"yes, they registered dead people which was caught and shows "intent"), "
Max
Both the Republican groups and Democratic groups pay people to get others to register or sign petitions. This is seldom more that a "per signature" or minimum wage. For that reason there is often chicanery of one kind or another going on by the people doing these jobs. For this reason, there is ALWAYS a review of petitions and registrations to either count legal petitions or entry of registrations in the system.
This doesn't automatically prove "intent" only mistakes in hiring.
Now if you arrange for someone to pretend to be someone else in order for the dead to vote, you have fraud. There has been no such claim against ACORN.
Now about the billions in fraud given to government contractors courtesy of Bush/Cheney. Now that is money worth talking about.
When it was Liberals bashing Bush, it was reported as thought provoking, enlighten dialog, meaningful dispute, challenging government, expressing one's rights, blah, blah, blah. When Conservatives do it, it is portrayed as mean spirited, mob action, anti-American, hate speech.
What the Left really hate about Beck is he is not intimidated by them or their goons tactics, plus he as helped nailed a major Liberal function, ACORN, to the wall and exposed them for what they are. Not to mention Beck's little 5 PM show trounces MSNBC's "Prime Time" major line-ups. Angry man? Damn right he is angry, and so are tens of millions of Americans. Better get use to it, as there is much more to come.
I've been building my own computer systems from components for almost 20-years. Generally, I'm totally satisfied with the end product. If I'm not, I make the necessary changes myself.
Other than netbooks (I won't buy any more notebooks), I will never buy a factory or store built system again.
And, yes, I save money in the process because I'm an expert shopper when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Well, there's criticism, and then there's criticism. ACORN is a much bigger deal to the Becks of the world than it is to Dems - Beck's problem is that the truth is of no concern to him and that his lies are thought suppressing rather than thought provoking. His concern with ACORN isno that it was registering dead people, but rather that it was registering live Democrats. And those tens of millions of angry Beckites weren't able to prevent the object of Beck's scorn from being elected president by actual, live voters whether Fox beats MSNBC or not.
Just out of curiosity Flatus, what would it cost you to build a fast computer with a big hard drive and all the features (CD/DVD/RW drive and the like? Just a ballpark figure will be fine. It's been so long since I've tried to build anything - and even then I just picked and chose opetions - I have no frame of reference.
Naw, DL, I bike everywhere, enjoy the skirts so I miss the non-mitten weather. I do understand your joy at spending time under the sheets.
Jamie I believe there were more than 2000 dead people registered in Minn that were caught. I understand what you are saying but the effort to get registered voters to vote Democratic was clearly an goal by ACORN. I reject the idea that voter registration drives should be conducted in such partisan ways and I would like government to do this. I would also like to see campaign funding caps. Because of terrible transparency with ACORN, the money they circulate nationally and their dubious sub contractors, make them fundementally a Democratic merc rather than the "helping poor people" community service group thay spin. Their low paid workers certainly had an impact in helping Franken who now votes to defund the very group that handed him the votes to win. And its not that I think Franken has conducted himself worse than Rangel, Buress, Spitzer or other Democratic notables. In fact, he has conducted himself far better than that.
Now you all are going to point to Beck making Obama's sales pitch for Chicago a partisan affair. I have never seen a President lobby as such with Michelle and her former boss Jarret participating in the sell too. Given the clean and honest road Obama promised to walk, his continued connections, efforts including attempted and successful rewards to supporters and inclusion of lobbyists do not speak well of that declaration. Yes Bush did this too, but it doesn't make it right. Rezko and Jarret have a long housing connection to Obama. Let's pray such results in Chicago are not repeated nationally. That Democrats don't see the irony here expecially the blacks who suffer seems to indicate partisan blinders......Even Moore has jumped on this bandwagon.
1920 Walter Matthau NYC, actor (Odd Couple, Bad News Bears)
1921 James Whitmore White Plains NY, actor (Give 'em Hell Harry)
1924 Jimmy Earl Carter (D) 39th Pres (1977-1981)
1924 William Rehnquist Ws, Supreme Court (1972-86)/chief justice (1987- 2007)
1927 Tom Bosley Chicago, actor (Howard-Happy Days, Murder She Wrote)
1928 George Peppard Detroit Mich, actor (Banacek, A-Team, Blue Max)
1928 Laurence Harvey actor (Alamo, Romeo & Juliet)
1930 Richard Harris actor (A Man Called Horse), singer (MacArthur Park)
1935 Julie Andrews England, actress/singer (Sound of Music, Mary Poppins)
331 -BC- Alexander the Great of Macedon defeats Persian army at Gaugamela
1661 Yachting begins in England; King Charles II beats his brother James
1791 1st session of the new French legislative assembly
1800 Spain cedes Louisiana to France in a secret treaty
1837 "Racer's" Hurricane (Gulf of Mexico)
1890 Yosemite National Park established
1893 3rd worst hurricane in US history kills 1,800 (Mississippi)
1898 Jews are expelled from Kiev Russia
1903 1st baseball World Series, Pitts Pirates vs Boston Pilgrims (Red Sox)
1908 Henry Ford introduces the Model T car (costs $825)
1936 Gen Francisco Franco establishes the state of Spain
1937 Pullman Co formally recognizes Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters
1938 Germany annexes Sudetenland (1/3 of Czechoslovakia)
1939 Winston Chruchill refers to Soviet policy as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma"
1940 Pennsylvania Turnpike, pioneer toll thruway, opens
1942 Bell P-59 Airacomet fighter, 1st US jet, makes maiden flight
1943 Allied forces captured Naples during WW II
1948 Calif Supreme Court voids state statute banning interracial marriages
1949 People's Republic of China proclaimed by Mao Tse-tung (National Day)
1949 Republic of China (Taiwan) forms on the island of Formosa
1955 "Honeymooners" premieres
1957 B-52 bombers begin full-time flying alert in case of USSR attack
1961 Roger Maris sets record of 61 HRs, last off of Tracy Stallard
1962 Barbra Streisand signs her 1st recording contract (with Columbia)
1962 Brian Epstein signs a contract to manage the Beatles through 1977
1962 James Meredith became 1st black at U of Mississippi
1962 Johnny Carson hosts his 1st Tonight Show, Joan Crawford guests
1971 Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida opens
1979 US returns Canal Zone to Panama after 75 years (but not the canal)
1989 Thousands of East Germans flee to West Germany
1989 US issues a stamp, labeling an apatosaurus as a brontosaurus
I'm sure Acorn was at times and in places out of control and they should be held accountable for their transgressions.
But I've also seen, first hand, voter intimidation and voter suppression on a scale that certainly affected outcomes in the South. It still exists, and was totally ignored by the Bush II Justice Department. It certainly affected the Florida vote in 2000 (along with many other factors including vote-counting.)
There have been more detainees returning to violence since that report NP. I have noted more than ten here in the last month. You are right about pressure pushing Bush to release some of these terrorists, but Obama has released more (200 more planned to be released) and some are relased because in American courts the government is not willing to show classified intelligence. It is a bit more complicated as you imply. I have serious problems with both adminsitrations.
Around $400, Pogo. Depending on the operating system, it might be a little more.
The one I'm getting ready to make will have a quad AMD processor with a decent mother board and 8-gig of memory and a terrabyte drive and win 7 Prof (64-bit version) and a gigabit lan card.
The power supply will be quite large and the CPU will have an aftermarket fan that will move lots of air.
I have everything now except the energy to put it all together. It will probably take me six hours including time for installing the operating system.
Total cost for this kick-ass system? About $700 including boxed software.
Bob, I posted that girl with the AK days ago. I said BRAVO I think. Now there is a place the right to bare arms is certainly required. And that girl would look far sexier with bare arms........
Wish I could do this too Flatus, but you will need security, yes? That is an advantage with an Apple.
Also, how about the cost of all the software that usualy comes with a Dell, or the service agreements. My HP monitor was rather expensive. Does your system cost include that? Still, nice power and great price. Maybe if I pay you and include shipping, you might build one for me when I'm ready.......
Good morning Jamie,
No I never saw the movie about the Green Door. I once saw one about the Golden Gate. Similar ?
max, once again, does the video allege that dead people were registered in MN ? Since you don't say so, I am supposing that it has zilch to do with Franken. To my knowledge, the courts' extensive searches uncovered only a few instances of voter fraud in the coleman/Franken race, except for the one I cited in my 10:13 pm post, they did not involve conspiracy.
Damn, flatus - that's a lot of computer for not a lot of money.
For comparison, here's what Dell has that sort of approaches that - for $1K with a 20" monitor. Bumping the HD to 1Tb and the memory to 8 G adds $300. The monitor is worth $160. It has a 2 yr on site warranty in that price.
Pogo, the problem with the Dells and HPs of the world is that they all use proprietary components; something I absolutely refuse to buy into.
I've seen monitors from reputable manufacturers for around $130 for a 22-incher.
Max, only reluctantly do I build systems for people in the family--I just don't want to hold their hands every time they forget where the power switch is. And, if I use system-builders' software, the support burden falls to me.
I suppose it's something like me asking Sturg to build new cabinets for me if I furnish the wood and all the fasteners. Shouldn't cost more than a case of beer, right?
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And here's the Official Parody Website on Glenn Beck.
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| September 30, 2009 12:17 AM
If Glenn Beck expects to disprove that rumor, he better show us his birth certificate.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:20 AM
Whatever Glenn Beck did or didn't do, it doesn't matter unless he was born in Kenya.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:43 AM
Father Coughlin. Same technique.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 30, 2009 1:06 AM
James Harvey Young, PhD , at Quackwatch, wrote a paper on Hadacol. I copied an excerpt.
Hadacol presented itself as a patent cure-all medicine, but it was really just a sly way to market alcohol. I used my imagination and I can clearly see parallels to Beck , Limbaugh, Hannity, and Krauthammer:
"Hadacol was not palatable in any usual sense. LeBlanc, who knew that the common citizen expected his medicine to taste somewhat nasty, thought Hadacol tasted like "dirt." "It contained vitamins," he explained, "and they come from dirt and that's how it tasted." Other samplers variously described the flavor as "musty," "metallic," "fishy," as similar to "weak iodine," "bilge water," "emasculated wine." The odor of the murky brown brew called forth remembrance of liniments and horse medicine. Indeed, one would suppose after a gingerly experimental sip, that inveterate users conditioned themselves to the flavor not for the sake of pleasure but from the sternest sense of duty."
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 30, 2009 1:16 AM
They say he did it in Kenya. Or, Indonesia. But, definitely not at the Mormon Temple on Oahu, Hawaii, because that would be a crime against the tenets of his Mormon cult : "always kill the girl in the space controlled by the infidels." If he were innocent, he'd show us his his acquittal papers.
Btw, does anyone know if the ayatollah khomeini's mole in the reagan White House and convicted republican felon, 'bloody' bud mcfarlane, has registered as a foreign agent ? This dangerous Sudanese spy would destroy America for a few bucks, and the blood -drenched tyrant of Sudan is paying mcfarlane $1,300,000 to do so. At least that's all mcfarlane admits to.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 4:26 AM
Ah Glenn Beck.. He must be something correct.
Angry Man - How about just Passion Man. But Glenn does seem to be hitting onto some Facts that are "Catching" some truths that the Obama and Axe and others want to hide - as the Obama admin is as connected and corrupt as any.
But Angry is Nice - it is a valid state of mind.
Unlike - Mad-- Mad like a rabid mindless dog that we see in so many others that attack the Angry.
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 30, 2009 5:58 AM
And Beck gets more Angry as we learn what Obama did with the Nuclear news on IRAN.
WHY did Obama not use the UN to Hammer this point home?
Obama continues in Campaign mode and now is not only lost support at home - our Friends in France, Germany and UK want George Bush back.
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 30, 2009 6:01 AM
I don't know why exactly- maybe a combination of Ted's death, focusing on keeping my head above water financially, feeling powerless- but I've rather lost my taste for politics. Maybe it's because I'm thinking both sides are too crazy.
Meant to post this when there was talk of music themes etc., my vote is for Stuck In The Middle With You- Steve Miller Band
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 30, 2009 6:38 AM
wapo invites you to become a pundit. you too can be a glenn or chris or craig.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/pundit-contest/index.html
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 6:58 AM
Yes, I'm sure that France and the UK may want George Bush back, however I'm not sure Germany wants Bush the Torturer in Chief back.
They had there Torturer in the late 30's and 40's already and don't want another one any time soon I'm sure.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| September 30, 2009 7:01 AM
"lost my taste for politics"
sea, hope there's room on that middle way tightrope. am beginning to feel the same. maybe it's just that our political tastebuds have become desensitized, numbed or burnt. a little too salty here, a little to hot there.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 7:02 AM
did beck go to preacher school? he has that cadence peculiar to certain charlatan evangelists.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 7:04 AM
did beck go to preacher school? he has that cadence peculiar to charlatan evangelists.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 7:07 AM
oops. sorry for double post.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 7:08 AM
My personal opinion is that FOX news is a joke and Glen Beck and his ilk are the ring leaders. I refuse to watch the nonsense. What our country is going through right now is way too serious to treat it like the circus. gag.
Posted by: Syl
| September 30, 2009 7:08 AM
OSH,
You might want to say a prayer for Norton Buffalo, harmonica player for Steve Miller Band. He has lung cancer which has spread around. He is great human being as well as being a fantastic musician. He is in need of healing thoughts.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| September 30, 2009 7:09 AM
OSH -- I agree, politics has taken a back seat to staying alive. And I'm very disappointed with my so-called liberal/progressive party.
Posted by: Patsi
| September 30, 2009 7:13 AM
If you have the stomach for it....here's quite a look at Bush's Supreme Court.
http://artvoice.com/issues/v8n38/the_ghost_of_bush
Posted by: Patsi
| September 30, 2009 7:23 AM
I'M OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED, I TELL YOU!!! See, it's not so much the side Gl'eck has taken, even filled with erroneous info and false arguments. It's that he has made histrionics his bread and butter.
He's so over-the-top, I'm not sure even he believes what he is saying. At best, he is Jon Luvitz from SNL as "Master Thespian" with a touch of that liar "Tommy Flannagin"...that's giving him a lot of credit. What he really is is a 2-year old throwing a tantrum for attention...for any attention at all, for any reason at all.
"Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools." - Einstein
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 7:30 AM
Craig- don't know where to go with this, but my mother is on the phone with me now- My father was a SUNY prof. for 38 years, they have been married for 60. They received a final notice for my mother, the dependent, from NYSIP requesting a marriage certificate or a copy of their tax return or she would be dropped. She is begrudgingly sending in the return (lost certificate many years ago) and it will be straightened out for them. Her concern is all the other retirees and how they will fare. She is thinking that others, that don't she said "read as well as me" (she is legally blind) have the resources that she has (family) will fall through the cracks. NYS Insurance has hired this firm from Mi to do this, guess they fraudulent claimants. Anyways, she wanted me to pass this on to you. Should she let Schumer know about this nonsense? She thought perhaps this could be used as an example of insurance companies abuses.
She said "damn insurance companies, well you don't have to say that" She's a pisser.
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 30, 2009 7:36 AM
patd - You hit the nail on the head. The ranters-with-agendas did not show up as an off-shoot of journalism, but of tele-vangelism. We have Jimmy Swaggert to blame for the media garbage that is ruining America.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 7:40 AM
sea - That's a ridiculously perfect example of the issue & I hope you/she will contact someone about this. I'll bet if you contact the county that issued the marriage license, they would have one on file so the tax return (which may have confidential info on it) doesn't have to be sent in. Hope others with more info about these things will respond to you, too.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 7:45 AM
I can't believe that people think that this is new. It isn't. does anybody remember the term " Yellow Journalism"?
From Wiki:
Yellow journalism is a type of journalism that downplays legitimate news in favor of eye-catching headlines that bring in more advertising revenue. It may feature exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, sensationalism, or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or journalists.
It started in newspapers, now it's on TV. Don't blame Swaggert (cousin of the Killer) blame Hearst.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Origins:_Pulitzer_vs._Hearst
Posted by: Bowmanc
| September 30, 2009 7:52 AM
Blue... We have ourselves to blame - We can just turn it off... Viewership pays the bills.. Well expecpt on MSNBC
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 30, 2009 7:54 AM
"See, it's not so much the side Gl'eck has taken, even filled with erroneous info and false arguments. It's that he has made histrionics his bread and butter."
blue exactly!
And as Dexter noted it is not the first time.
And it is always ugly no matter who does it. imo
thus my KO comment the other day.
I guess I'm just an NPR type of person.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 8:00 AM
Glad to see Tweety show that clip of Patrick Kennedy last night. Gl'eck and his cronies and their hate/fear rhetoric are not good for America. If something happens, it doesn't just come back to bite them in the @$$ but it bites us all. Free speech comes with responsibility...but since we all pay for cable, technically it's not free, so there is no responsibility?
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 8:01 AM
ping - I only see Gl'eck, etc, when I see a clip of them on another show. If I wanted to watch garbage, I'd go to the city dump.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 8:02 AM
My attention was drawn to this article when it arrived in my email from Huffington Post, because I notice there was a pretty spirited conversation about it on TM late yesterday, with opinions falling on both sides:
"...but I've rather lost my taste for politics. Maybe it's because I'm thinking both sides are too crazy." http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263421
Sea, Join us over at Carol's (that we fondly call the Swamp) sometime. Last night we spent the entire evening talking about birds. It was very enjoyable (we 'rarely' mention politics). http://ct-carolssouthernspice.blogspot.com/
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 8:03 AM
... I should have added though, that we feel free to vent also.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 8:04 AM
"I guess I'm just an NPR type of person"
which ,according to Max makes me an automatic liberal but then I've bought ,sold and traded guns for years so according to Bowmanc I'm conservative.
It get confusing before morning coffee
Osh, I'm stuck in the middle with you.
"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right"
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 8:05 AM
bowman - Oh, I'm sure their are events prior to that, too. But electronically, tele-evengalists were the model for this psuedo-journalism. You'd never catch Jim Lehrer spewing this stuff.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 8:06 AM
I'm linking this because there was a spirited discussion here late yesterday about it, with opinions (and feelings) falling on both sides. An interesting discussion.
Genius and Young Flesh
"Comparing a Hollywood child rape to war criminal behavior will inspire outrage, guffaws, ridicule. Bring it on. But first, let's consider this fact: women are dying at the hands of male partners around the world at a greater rate than cancer and heart disease. Sexual violence is endemic on the planet. Some studies in Europe say 50 percent of women have been abused before they become adults.
. It doesn't matter whether he is a genius. The world will have to live without his lifetime tribute ceremony, at least for a few months more. It doesn't matter whether his victim - 30-odd years on and handsomely paid off - forgives and wants to forget.
What matters is that the rape of a 13-year old girl, in a nation of laws, in a nation where women are striving for equality with men, in world where we are hundreds of years away from that right and good goal, be discouraged, by example if necessary." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nina-burleigh/genius-and-young-flesh_b_302515.html
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 8:07 AM
"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right"
... Llittle Boxes http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/MALVINA/mr094.htm
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 8:10 AM
shame on Target and Walmart for touting the Beck book with his cluster faux military uniform complete with hat. He is a stupid freak who is making a bundle off of his rant. I say ignore him and starve him out!
Posted by: Blonde wino
| September 30, 2009 8:12 AM
mornin'
OK, I saw my name taken in vain last night. :-) Actually, from what little I know about defamation, which is what would be invoked over the website about Beck and the Girl, whether the site claims to be parody or satire is of almost no import - whether a judge or jusry, as the case may be, would answer that question. I do think the site author has done a good job of trying to make it plain that he or she does not intend for the site to be taken seriously as even suggesting that Beck raped and killed anyone, but this is new territory. I'm not aware of any court that has ruled on a defamation case against a blog site for hosting a site with defamatory material posted by posters there, and there is good reason for that - the people who post are not the blog hosts, so the intent to cause harm is questionable at best, at least from a legal perspective. On the other hand, the plaintiff could argue that the blog owner acted with reckless indifference to the truth - which in some states can give you enough traction to keep the suit alive. In short, who the hell knows?
Ping, for Obama the UN is just a stage - I can't imagine he would want to follow the lead of Ahmadenijad and Qadaffi. If you want to Hammer anything home, you gotta have your SC votes lined up. With China and Russia opposed, he doesn't and it would just be a failed speech - and you would be criticizing his inability to deliver on what the speech called for. Admit it, he can't do anything you won't criticize with respet to Iran.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:16 AM
"http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/public-option-show-and-tell-to.html#comment-263414"
Max, obviously every retiree's financial and health situation is different; but, unless your Mom has lots of assets beyond her home, she may be over-insured.
I think the government's strategy is to have old folks spend down their personal assets before extending non-medicare assistance to them--assistance such as long-term nursing home care or Medicaid. But, once old people have minimal assets, public assistance is available.
I hope some wise people correct me where I am wrong on my take of continuing care of old people once Medicare reserve days are used up, or if extended nursing home care is required.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 30, 2009 8:18 AM
Good clip Craig.
It was worth having to listen to Beck, in order to hear him actually say "I don't know". True words.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 8:18 AM
jimmy lee swaggart......first cousin to both jerry lee lewis, and mickey lee gilley.......i was poking fun at them oncet for all having the middle name "lee" when i stopped and realized that my middle name is "lee"........rats.
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:19 AM
Now, daughter and I are going outside (a beautiful cold morning with temps in the upper 40s) to put preservative on the back deck. Fun.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 30, 2009 8:19 AM
"Stuck In The Middle With You" was by Stealers Wheel. Although, I do have a Michael Buble version of it. Over the weekend somebody posted a news story about how bad Glenn Beck's week was last night. Getting booed when he received the key to the city etc...I could not believe how many people were supportive of him. As for me, anger takes too much energy.
Posted by: Corey
| September 30, 2009 8:22 AM
So is Glenn Beck the just the counter to the irogant ignorance of KO? KO act like a mad dog.. ah that is how you get viewers when you have no valid content - I keep forgetting - they are just entertainment - nothing of value - another version of I love Lucy
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 30, 2009 8:23 AM
Chloe
I've had my first cup of coffee, so let me say something profound, or profane. something like that.
One of the great mysteries for liberals is why they don't get more support for their ideas from lowerclass folks.
That song goes a long way to explain it.
It is a sneering elitist put down of the working class's most treasured dreams. If they don't understand our dreams how can they comprehend our problems.
time to get to work
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 8:25 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263433
OSH, she should definitely contact Shumer. What a bunch of crap - I've never been asked to provide proof of marriage - even when my insurance paid for LP's birth and Mrs. P's maternity care.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:25 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263444
You trying to seem intelligent again Jack?
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 8:26 AM
btw, she should also contact her district's rep and her state reps, to say nothing of the Times. Pressure helps.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:26 AM
Today's Republicans are a threat to our very Democracy.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| September 30, 2009 8:32 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/public-option-show-and-tell-to.html#comment-263406
Max.....this post is confusing because i never said wiki was crap.........i love wikipedia.....not for in-depth, perhaps, but for quick mostly reliable overview it's great.....i think you were responding to someone else's post, not mine........
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:34 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263450
Thanks Flatus. My mom is afraid that some medical problem will come up that will go beyond Medicare coverage and tap her out. I can understand that. The supplimental gives her the peace of mind that all circumstances are covered, but you may be right,
As far as the assisted living, she certainly doesn't want to go in to a State facility or be a burden. She knows her family is there, but she would rather part with some funds now and be free of anxiety knowing everything is covered. It is a thing in our family not to require public assistance. And of course my mom will likely live past 100 at her rate. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 8:37 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263458
Max
I'm an educated hillbilly
something I've come to believe is mostly useless.
So, when it comes to sounding intellegent, I don't even try.
But if I can hit profound or profane once in a while, I'm happy.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 8:38 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263450
No. Flatus, you are right. The Medicaid spend down provisions have as a purpose that a would-be recipient not have income and assets to spend before the Gov steps in. Pisses would-be beneficiaries of wills and such right off. There are some gizmos to avoid those provisions, but there are also lookback periods to try and keep people from gaming the system. And the qualifications vary from state to state. Essentially, the point is that if you have assets to use to provide for your own care, the government shouldn't have to provide for your care.
http://pslegal.org/medicaid%20spendown%20page.htm#1
http://www.bing.com/search?srch=105&FORM=IE7RE&q=medicaid+asset++qualifications
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:41 AM
The Michigan Bar has a pretty good explanation of Medicaid eligibility.
michbar.org/probate/pdfs/planningformedicaid.pdf
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:45 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263461
Possibly mine - I said Wiki did not do Oliver Wendell Holmes justice.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:46 AM
oliver wendell holmes justice......is that a pun?
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:47 AM
Patsi & Patd- Thought I was all on my own. Odd feeling isn't it?
Jack- exactly- and those are the two I of think of that leading either side..
Chloe- thanks for the invite!
Pogo & Blue- thanks for response
Bow- consider it done- might even enlist some gals in Salem (~_^)
Corey- i know, but prefer Steve Miller's version
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 30, 2009 8:48 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/public-option-show-and-tell-to.html#comment-263406
Hey Sturg,
It was Jack who made the comment about my use of originalism. You never said a word, so I'm sorry if I was confusing. I guess Jack couldn't comprehend the distinctions Wiki was setting forth seeing he mocked my use of "Orginalism" and advocated "orginal intent" (a term I used first when talking to NewPogo) for those wanting to "seem" intelligent. I guess he should know, or of course maybe he don't know jack.....
Anyway, no slight intended Sturg. When I see Craig take a swipe at Olberman, I will share my contempt for Beck. I rather doubt Maher is far behind in saying nasty and anger inspiring bullshit, though like Beck, he occasional has a point or some valid fact. And name the Black cable pundit that once suggested during the primary the government killed MLK over his opposition to the Viet Nam war.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 8:50 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30friedman.html
Tom Freidman - parallels re: the far right's attacks on Obama and Israel before Rabin's assassination.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:55 AM
And name the Black cable pundit that once suggested during the primary the government killed MLK over his opposition to the Viet Nam war.
--max
afraid the jury is still out on that one.....no way earl whats-his-faction didn't have powerful support behind him.....who it was is anyone's guess..........
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:55 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263432
Blue --
He most assuredly does NOT believe what he says. He's a paid actor in an old/new style reality show. Problem is, his followers don't see that. And the more he's rewarded for it, the greater the chance he'll start believing his own garbage.
("Gl'eck," that's a good one.)
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:56 AM
sturg ... could be ....
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:56 AM
Max
I comprehend a made up word designed to confuse the issue for the uninformed.
As usual it was done by someone who has a political agenda.
Original intent is the proper phrase used by academics.
Originalism is of political gobbledy gook
You make your choices and unlike me you seem to desire to be mistaken for intellegent. So, your choices define you.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 8:59 AM
And Jack, you never answered my question. Did ACORN give Franken his victory? He won by less than 400 votes and ACORN claimed to have resgistered more than 48,000 voters. How certain is anyone about that? Franken was very vocal about his gratitude to ACORN, yet he threw them under the bus. Crap like this keeps Beck in business. I suspect he will rant at some point how ACORN won the Democrats the super majority.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 8:59 AM
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
-- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 9:02 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263474
Yeah, I know I took the bait.
lol
Doesn't say a lot for my intellegence does it.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 9:02 AM
seems to me that Mike Barnikle has a major problem with the public having a say in what they believe. He has constantly belittled the internet and blogs such as this on Morning Joe. Does anyone remember when Mike was fired from the Boston paper for plagiarism? Now, after Imus took him in, he has a prominent place on MSNBC.
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| September 30, 2009 9:03 AM
Generals criticize Cheneys over scaremongering about closing gitmo.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27705.html
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:03 AM
"fake fairness" the hideyhole of the contrarian
And a big shout out to the Oregon farmers who sued the fed to stop genetically engineered sugar beets and make candy safe once again!
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 30, 2009 9:04 AM
I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet.
--- Rodney Dangerfield (1921 - 2004)
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 9:05 AM
Does anyone remember when Mike was fired from the Boston paper for plagiarism? Mr. Dooty
I do I do --he stole from George Carlin and AJ Liebling
..yeah Mr. Blue Collar what a frickin' fraud --he lives off his wife a BofA exec.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 30, 2009 9:07 AM
I vote for Trent Franks as the next RNC chair
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/29/gop-rep-trent-franks-call_n_302713.html
I think he could actually be one of the few actual politicians out there who could hammer the last nail into the GOP coffin - from the inside.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:08 AM
Craig,
That was a truly thoughtful piece and should be shown on TV for everyone to see as a commentary.
The reason Beck is more "believable" as the angry pundit is that like Howard Beale he may be a complete lunatic. Either that or he is the worst kind of Elmer Gantry manipulating the flock he has found for his own glory and largesse.
Of course yesterday, I was a member of the truly angry and powerless as I actually believe that a group of politicians served their corporate masters to the detririment of the American people.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:09 AM
Beck is an ass and thinks of himself as the clown prince of the right. He is entirely a media creation and has no substance.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 30, 2009 9:09 AM
Another 7.9 quake in the Pacific. No Tsunami this time.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:10 AM
i repeat: crabs often have barnicles.......
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 9:11 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263474
So Sturg, you can see above where the swipe at Wiki comes from. I think Wiki was clear on the use of orginalism and of course Jack knows full well I also used the term original intent. Maybe he had trouble reading or answering the question in "Are you an Originalist" because he doesn't like the author or the site posted.
Jack, false humility gets you what? So I seem to desire to be mistaken for intelligent, whereas you don't pretend to be intelligent? Let it go Jack. Your lecture was your seeming desire to be a jack ass. Of course you're not always, nor are you unintelligent. A jack ass unintelligent gun trader could put you squarely on FOX.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 9:11 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263419
Ping
The Iran info has been "known" for two years. Remember who was president then? The current President was handed a truck load of garbage by the previous hack and is still trying to dig out from under. No need to get the panties in a twist over Iran. Even Buchanan isn't agitated.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:15 AM
ACORN - time for a little distraction I see. If the GOP had policies that could attract voters in poor and minority neighborhoods, the GOP would not be complaining about ACORN.
KC, yeah, I remember the Globe firing Barnicle for plagiarism. But I'd bet he makes better money as a false blue collar advocate on MSNBC than any of us here make in whatever we do for a living - and probably more than he made as a writer for the Globe. I do agree with you about his bona fides as an advocate for the little guy - they aren't very convincing.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:16 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263475
Max
For all the noise over the people registered by ACORN no one has ever proved that any of the challenged registrants ever voted. Not one. Most never made it on to the rolls because they were discovered as jokes, frauds etc. before getting that far. People register their dogs and cats all the time. The feline and canine have never been seen in a voting booth.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:20 AM
Max
calm down buddy, your losing it.
One liners always work best in this type of exchange.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 9:23 AM
Hi Syl
Pull up a chair at the coffee bar and introduce yourself
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:25 AM
Max
I confess
I had trouble reading "Are you an Originalist". It was the crap issue.
But I did bravely make it to the third paragraph.
Which was more than enough to know that my analysis was correct.
Political gobble de gook.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 9:30 AM
How effective was Acorn?
The fact that it is squarely in the sights of the Republican attack machine says it all.
The main problem that Acorn has is they strayed from their mission. They should have let others do the "do gooding" and stuck to their political education.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 9:37 AM
Although CRS tends to make what I remember of the distant past suspect, I recall that my ConLaw prof used the term originalist to refer to anyone, and of course he focused most closely on judges, but any constitutional lawyer, judge or scholar who took the position that the constitution and the rights it bestows and limits it sets are limited to the words in it. Of course that discussion was in the context of the Griswald v. Connecticutt case and whether the Bill of Rights contain any right to privacy, which originalists dispute the existence of and non-originalists claim is inherent and essential to the rights reflected in the literal reading of the document. The following link does a fair job of providing a framework for that discussion and also has an excellent article by Richard Posner about the subject. It also has links to the American Constitutional Society and the Federalist Society, which advocate the two positions.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/interp.html
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:38 AM
sea, in addition to the advice from pogo and blue, you/your mom should call directly to verify that the request for info is valid and not some id scan artist. hope it's not too late.
if she finds it is a valid request, by calling personally, it also gives her the opportunity to voice her complaint, to evoke compassion on their part, and to let them know she is contacting media for the emotional injury caused.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 9:45 AM
With apologies to anon-p i was just not comfortable with leaving your reference to that site about Beck, giving credence to such a vile, unsubstantiated rumor. Pogo's analysis gets it right, seems to me.. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263449
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:49 AM
one reason beck' limbaugh'hannity and the rest have an audience is because there is genuine frustration and anger at congress ''' i don't believe they've gotten
anything right in recent history '' republican or democratic' now they ask us to put our faith in them to come up with a genius mastermind health care bill''we'll see what they come up with'''no body's going to happy with it
Posted by: mqw
| September 30, 2009 9:50 AM
Pogo
I will bow to your superior knowledge
As my memory is 20 years old.
But I don't recall it being raised to an "ism" just a doctrine. Then again the language has been manipulated a lot since Reagan was president.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 9:50 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263449
pogo, are you hinting that our gracious host should make effort to question the veracity of each potentially defaming comment made by any of us tmrs?
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 9:52 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263501
Well there goes the comments section. lol We couldn't even talk about pirates.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 9:55 AM
"pogo, are you hinting that our gracious host should make effort to question the veracity of each potentially defaming comment made by any of us tmrs? -- Posted by: patd"
That wasn't my take-away from Pogo's post, patd. But when it comes to serious allegations of that nature, I'm not comfortable providing a forum for sites that traffic in vicious lies of that nature. I eventually had to shut down our resident "birther" for the same reason. There's enough of that on the "internets."
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:57 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263501
As one of the occasional offenders, I hope not since he wouldn't have a life. Perhaps just flagrant and pernicious. :-)
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 9:58 AM
Bowmanc.... so there you are.... great to see a fellow NHerite here again.... and as someone who registered voters in this great state for 24 years,
it's actually called "undeclared".
OSH.... since doing my fair in early August my appetite for politics has somewhat waned also. I've always found a certain amount of humor involved in the subject. But it's hard to find anything funny about the healthcare issue..... or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
oh yeah.... today's topic is Beck. Another clown in a long line of clowns....
the more attention he gets.... the better for him and Fox News....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| September 30, 2009 10:02 AM
jack, could we collectively protect craig with a blanket plea of mob hysteria, temp insanity? just think of the times we've trashed tweety and uberman, his colleagues, to say nothing of how a certain ex vpotus was vilified (justifiably so i might add).
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 10:04 AM
Yeah Glenn Beck will get you page hits, he gets goggled like nobody's business. I think this site is run by Dan Abrams from MSNBC but I don't know if it his site?
http://www.mediaite.com/power-grid/category/?c=Radio+Hosts
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 10:05 AM
He is ranked Number #1 ahead of Rush Limbaugh. Imus says all these people hate each other :) Beck comes in #5 on TV Host.
http://www.mediaite.com/power-grid/person/?q=Glenn+Beck
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 10:06 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263446
Chloe,
This is exactly why I said last night that just sending him to jail would do nothing for the plight of young girls now. Work out a conviction deal in line with the original plea bargain. Bring him back for the plea and sentence and then let the sentence be one huge chunk of change to organizations that care for and protect young women or those forced into prostitution.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:09 AM
pat, absolutely not. This is a political blog, and truth and politics - well, they haven't been introduced. Politicians and entertainers are as close to fair game as you can get when it comes to criticism and defamation, whether valid or not. If you have the inclination, go read Falwell v. Hustler. It gives a good indication of how far you have to go to defame a public figure.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:12 AM
"So, when it comes to sounding intellegent, I don't even try." http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263463
You always sound intelligent Jack. You don't have to try.
You've got common sense, on top of that education... therefore, no, it was not useless. You're a leader, and your neighborhood and everyone else is better off for it.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 10:13 AM
CBob....
I had 2 racoons grubbin' around under my bird feeders last night.... on one hand, it was nice to see them because their population was pretty well decimated in these hills from a bout of rabies 5-6 yrs ago. On the other hand,
I immediately thought of my blue corn. Rick and I ran out back and picked the few ears that were substantive enough. I expected to see the stalks uprooted or lying on their sides this morning. But they never even touched the corn. Maybe they thought those stunted plants must be tomatoes.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| September 30, 2009 10:14 AM
Hah, Polanski had to come up, didn't he? Now there's a topic with the potential for numerous positions and discussions. The HLN screamers were going at it hot and heavy yesterday.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:15 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263456
Oh, and on that other post, you're right. They don't have a clue.
But, I don't think that's what that song is about at all, imo.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 10:16 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263456
Jack
I think this is one of the reason's that people respond to Michael Moore. He may have more money than God now, but he comes across as Mr. Average who has lived a normal life until finding fame and fortune.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:20 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263509
Jamie, I think you're right on.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 10:20 AM
"he comes across as Mr. Average who has lived a normal life until finding fame and fortune."
He speaks for us. We need more leaders like that.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 10:22 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263508
Ree, You're right. It is run by Dan Abrams.
Here's the lineup http://www.mediaite.com/about/
You know, I don't think Beck is all show, I think he believes all that 'stuff' he says. I also think that he attracts those that 'already' believe the same thing.
Posted by: chloe
| September 30, 2009 10:29 AM
Vitter - heheheh
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/29/vitter-slapped-with-prost_n_303085.html
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:41 AM
"You know, I don't think Beck is all show, I think he believes all that 'stuff' he says. I also think that he attracts those that 'already' believe the same thing.
Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | September 30, 2009 10:29 AM"
Chole he says he does but he is a showman so he might believe some of it. If anyone did watch him before when he was on HLN he was railing at George W Bush too. Beck is a Libertarian. He does dabble in the conspiracy stuff a lot. He actually overlapped with Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone on the Goldman Sachs analysis. Neil Cavuto was saying, he thinks Beck and Taibbi are wrong about Goldman Sachs. But Taibbi wrote in the Great American Bubble Machine for Rolling Stone Mag., every time one of these bubbles burst like the housing market - Goldman Sachs manages to position their mouth at the drain or words to that effect. So I am in the Beck -Taibbi camp on the Goldman Sachs analysis. It's as if they set up the circumstances of the bubbles than position themselves to be the beneficiaries, when the financial bubbles burst.
That stuff posted at the top of this thread about Glenn Beck and some little girl was started by Chann4, they post under anonymous, the icon is a tuxedo - they are kids as I recall Olbermann told them, it wasn't helpful to do what they are doing, although he got why they set it up in the questioning manner that they did al la Glenn Beck style. I read about who wast responsible for that rumor about Beck being spread and by who on mediaite also. I like Mediaite it seems to really report on whats going on in the Media the different angles.
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 10:43 AM
Posted by: whskyjack | September 30, 2009 9:37 AM :
"The main problem that Acorn has is they strayed from their mission. They should have let others do the 'do gooding' and stuck to their political education."
I first came face to face w/Acorn in the early 80s, when they were working on ending banks redlining in the city core. 7 years ago, I came face to face with them and was so shocked at their political ignorance, and the infiltration by the Mayor's republican Chief of Staff, that I wrote them off and never spoke with them again.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 10:52 AM
Here's haute cuisine from my neck of the woods.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/dining/30unit.html?_r=3
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 11:02 AM
Palin - heheheh
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/palin-lectures-not-sellin_n_304020.html
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 11:06 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263478
Agree, Doots -- Barbacle is a phony of the first order.
Posted by: Patsi
| September 30, 2009 11:11 AM
Some wacko asked me to repeat that I didn't think the right to bear arms was necessary to security.
Mr. messtup,
I can't repeat it, because I never wrote it in the first place. I would have had to actually write what YOU wrote, and that I paraphrased above, in order to repeat it. However, I never did write it, and never would, so you will have to be content with this consolation missive.
You just had another one of your frequent hallucinations. Like the ones you shared with Ms Cracker and Mr. Pogo yesterday, and Mr. Jack today.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 11:15 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263455
Ping Pong,
There is no comparison between KO and Beck. Olbermann's commentary can be traced to analysis of facts. Take for instance his "Nexus of Politics and Terror". These were dismissed as rantings but have been shown to me more than just coincidence.
Also, on the rare occasions that Olbermann has a guest from the other side of the political spectrum, he always conducts a respectful interview. See the John Ashcroft interview.
When he realizes when he crosses a line, he calls himself on it and makes the appropriate apology.
When he finds a factual error in his broadcast, he immediately points out the mistake and then corrects it.
These are just some basic things that the likes of Beck or Hannity do not ever consider doing on their own shows.
Posted by: Bear
| September 30, 2009 11:18 AM
Thought for the day :
" It`s a poor workman who blames his tools. "
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 11:26 AM
Check out CQ-Roll Call's newly re-launched congress.org. For those who want to register (only email & zip code required) and have an issue to promote (OSH -- such as you liberator campaign), you can create a soap box alert and rally supporters, lobby lawmakers. As I've said here before, Trail Mixers can use this site for outreach on issues instead of just talking amongst ourselves.. http://www.congress.org/
More about soap box.. http://www.congress.org/soapbox/splash/
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 11:30 AM
thanks for the link, craig. enjoyed the lafarge q&a on not using caps.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 11:37 AM
"Imus says all these people hate each other :)"
ree, how can he tell? they seem to hate everybody.
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 11:38 AM
1924 Truman Capote a short short story writer (In Cold Blood)
1928 Elie Wiesel author (Souls on Fire), Nazi hunter (Nobel 1986)
1931 Angie Dickinson Kulm ND-best looking legs on a cop (Police Woman)
1934 Freddie King Gilmer Tx, blues singer (Hideaway)
1935 Johnny Mathis singer (Chances are, 12th of Never)
1942 Frankie Lymon NYC, rocker (& Teenagers-Why do Fools Fall in Love)
Deaths which occurred on September 30:
1955 James Dean killed in an auto collision at 24 near Cholame Calif
1452 1st book published, Johann Guttenberg's Bible
1630 1st execution in America-J Billington hanged in Plymouth, MA
1659 Robinson Crusoe is shipwrecked (according to Defoe)
1659 Peter Stuyvesant of New Netherlands forbids tennis playing during religious services
1777 Congress, flees to York Pa, as British forces advance
1791 Mozart's opera "The Magic Flute" premiers in Vienna
1846 Anesthetic ether used for 1st time (Dr Wm Morton extracts a tooth)
1927 Babe Ruth hits record setting 60th HR (off Tom Zachary)
1929 1st manned rocket plane flight (by auto maker Fritz von Opel)
1939 1st televised college football game (Fordham vs Waynesburg at NYC)
1939 Germany & Russia agree to partition Poland
1941 3,721 Jews are buried alive at Babi Yar ravine (near Kiev) Ukraine
1946 22 Nazi leaders found guilty of war crimes at Nuremberg, Von Ribbentrop & Goering sentenced to death by Nuremberg trial
1949 Berlin Airlift ends after 277,000 flights
1954 1st atomic-powered vessel, submarine Nautilus launched
1960 Flintstones premiers (1st prime time animation show)
1960 On Howdy Doody's last show Clarabelle finally talks "Goodbye Kids"
1962 James Meredith registers for classes at University of Mississippi
1968 1st Boeing 747 rolls out
1980 Iran rejects a truce call from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 11:41 AM
JAKARTA, Indonesia — A disaster management official says 13 people have been killed and thousands trapped under flattened buildings in a powerful earthquake in western Indonesia.
.................... " thousands trapped under flattened buildings "
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 11:48 AM
flatus, another good article re single payer system.
"A “single payer” method of collecting and distributing payments for medical services leaves the delivery of medical care in the hands of the private sector. It is not “socialized medicine” like our military health care system, but is “socialized insurance” like our Medicare program. This approach is endorsed by Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP.org), with 17,000 members nationwide."
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/the_single_payer_sol.php
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 11:48 AM
seems money could be made in consolidation efficiencies and client costs cut at the same time by ama (or some major group of cooperating doctors) setting up a service on a national scale "collecting and distributing payments for medical services"..... why don't they?
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 11:55 AM
Original Intent is the particular hobby horse of scalia, and secondarily of roberts. Most of the others who purport to support the doctrine do so only haphazardly. scalia himself and the other SC lipservants to Original Intent jettisoned the doctrine in voting to make george bush president, arguably the most important case that they will ever hear.
clarence thomas does not belong in that group. It is clear that thomas opposes stare decisis, which tool the those Founding Fathers who practised law used regularly. I know of no argument or proposal by a Founding Father to jettison that ancient principle, which was already in use in English Law during the reign of William Rufus. Ending stare decisis would not only be foolish, it would be futile, for soon judges would once again be looking to the wisdom of the past for guidance.
thomas' idea that each judge should decide each case without reference to previous rulings, would in practice, mandate that each judge become a judicial activist. Such an idea and such a brain belong more properly among the revolutionaries of France and russia than with our own Founding Fathers.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 12:04 PM
PADANG, Indonesia has a population of 900,000 people.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 12:09 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093001723.html?hpid=topnews
Speaking of original intent - the Court will be taking up the 2nd amendment again in January or soon thereafter. I expect a result similr to the Heller decision. And as plain as everyone seems to think that decision was, it wa a 5-4 decision with strong dissent and that was based not only upon a criticised parsing of the words of the 2nd amendment and analysis of original intent, but also upon the natural right to self defense, a curious basis for a decision from an original intent fella.
But now, lunch.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:11 PM
Posted by: chloe | September 30, 2009 10:22 AM :
"He speaks for us. We need more leaders like that."
I have enough trouble with maxtrue always trying to speak for me. No thanks, I'll speak for myself.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 12:14 PM
"Imus says all these people hate each other :)"
ree, how can he tell? they seem to hate everybody.
Posted by: patd Author Profile Page | September 30, 2009 11:38 AM"
Patd, last time he had Beck on he told him so himself :)
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/09/imus-glenn-beck-connecting-dots.html
I really enjoyed the interview yesterday with Col Jack Jacobs that was my last post yesterday you all can stream the interview if you want. Col Jacobs was on Fox & Friends this morning so he isn't having a problem going on both MSNBC and Fox outlets.
Craig, you can go incognito on FBN, wear a snidely whiplash mustache, an eye patch, and talk pirate, when you go on Imus in the Morning on FBN oh wait that would be a dead give away they would figure out it's you ;)
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 12:20 PM
X_R: "thomas' idea that each judge should decide each case without reference to previous rulings, would in practice, mandate that each judge become a judicial activist." Conservative SC Justices reserve the "activist" label for anyone who disagree with them. And, of course, Bush v. Gore, 2000, wasn't an activist court at all according to Scalia and others. Sandra Day O'Conner, someone who I normally admire, surely disappointed in that decision making Bush president. Oh, that's right, she's a Republican!
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:27 PM
My new book w/ Helen Thomas now ready for delivery tomorrow.. http://bit.ly/a7RcD Video trailer.. http://bit.ly/IgWvj
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:29 PM
How can we get a signed autograph copy, Craig?
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:32 PM
Craig, I thought the tag line "I don't know" by Beck was perfect and so much alike to Palin's "I don't know (what I read) and I'll get back to you" line also on CBS News. Inasmuch as you've become KO's expert on Palin, you might also become his expert on Beck. Now there's a twofer for you!
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:36 PM
Been thinking about "original intent" as I worked in the shop this morning.
I remember it being presented by my prof. as a tool to be used by the justices in their decision making and he clearly pointed out justices on both sides of the political spectrum that used it. Xrep ably used it yesterday against the gun ownership as a right argument.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 12:38 PM
ivy - Gl'eck needs to spend some of his book royalties on an acting coach.
Two things the far r't does know how to do: distract people from the issues & stir up emotions by playing on emotion rather than logic.
Are there any issues today?
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 12:38 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263541
Eprof
I'm always amused when Republicans get on the soapbox about judicial activism. The current Conservatives on the court are some of the most blatant judicial activist that have been on the bench.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 12:41 PM
I have a funny feeling that this healthcare debate is actually going along the lines of my small town's debate over building a new elementary school. The state condemned our school building 6 years ago. Every year they'd give us a chance to vote to build a new one and every year we'd vote it down. Finally this year the state said no more chances. You will be allowed a special election on this issue and if you vote it down again, we the state, will step in and close your school building. You will be required to put temporary mobile classrooms all over the lawn.
The temporary classrooms will cost us more than building a new school. Plus we were told that the Federal government will give us stimulus money amounting to 53% of the costs if we vote it in this year. And the state will give us an interest free bond for the rest of the costs providing we vote it in this year.
That special election was held yesterday. The town thought the vote would be close because of a very vocal segment of townspeople. The town overwhelming voted "yes" to build the new school by 75% in favor. People finally got it. One of the lessons learned..... don't pay attention to the naysayers just because they're loud.
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| September 30, 2009 12:43 PM
"How can we get a signed autograph copy, Craig? --Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com"
Here's a book signing sked so far.. http://craigcrawford.com/events.html
We'll be looking into some way to sign and send paste-in pages for those who can't make it to events.
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:47 PM
Agree, Jack, especially during confirmation hearings. I don't know how the Republican Senators can keep a straight face when out of their mouths comes babbling about judicial activists. An example occured this past summer with Sotomayor, who I think will be a centerist at best and will vote with the conservatives a lot at worst.
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:49 PM
New Pogo, I have had discussions with Constitutional lawyers and you are free to go to Althouse and voice your opinion regarding Orginalism/orginal intent. Without getting into a debate, it does semm reasonable that in order to ascertain what a "right" or "enumerated power" etc. is, we have to take the actual words and place them in the context of what a reasonable person in that time period would understand by such wording. Orginalism, I am told, became uselful to distance such activities from the claim such an approach was "trying to read what someone had in mind", an effort open to large speculation. The closer one goes back in time with marshall, let's say, the more such connotations of meaning seemed obvious. I believe I am correct in saying that Obama once said that he always felt the 2nd did in fact give lawabiding citizens the RIGHT to have guns as a form of protection and to ignore the ubiquitousness of such understanding back in 1789 is rather obtuse (boy am I seeming to sound intelligent Jack). Jack, by the way, the article does have some merit whether conservatives have taken hold of "orginalism" or not. I believe Sotomayor actually said she respected SCOTUS attempt regarding original intent.
Craig, you see I said nothing of Anon's FOX like effort to spread slanderous news. I think you were right.
Bear, I would side with Ping on the Beck/Olberman comparison with some exceptions. Olberman is far more eloquent, intelligent and supported by other media. Fox tends to be isolated and Beck of course borders on lunacy. He does often grab a "fact" and then spins it into delerium. I suggest medication. Srious medication, perhaps even electro shock treatment.
Last, remember when I took issue with the 3007 NEI report that was a partisan effort to thwart Bush from hitting Iran? All intelligence agencies said with "HIGH PROBABILITY" that Iran had stopped their nuclear weaponization program. When are argued against this, I was blasted by Obama supporters as a NEOCON and a WARMONGER. Despite the fact the report said sanctions WERE effective and needed to continue, Democrats including Obama used the report to silence sanction talk. So for a year not only did we not sanction, some sanctions were loosened.
http://slatest.slate.com/id/2230962/entry/4
Mossad, the Brits, even the French has sufficient intel that contradicted the NEI report though the IAEA still claims they have no evidence of a bomb program. Do they think we are going to give up targets and the way we locate them? Iranian regime is a pack of liars. The Saudis are so concerned we are going to retreat and do nothing, they are considering making a deal with the Iranians and Syrians. The time is coming now for Obama to step up with more than just words. It is no surprise that 1. the Russians are now backing off their leaning towards sanctions and 2. the only AWAC the Iranians had went down in flames during their military parade last week.
P.S. It is Holder that is holding up investigations into ACORN registration fraud. If you all don't think ACORN fudged at leaset 350 votes out of 48,000 registered to get Franken the win, I have a great property to sell you.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 12:50 PM
I don't live anywhere close to your book signing locations. So, I look forward to seeing how I might get a signed copy in the future. Can I buy a book at one of your signings in absentia and have the book seller send it to me by FedEX or UPS? Thanks for looking into this matter for me and anyone else who might want a signed copy.
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:54 PM
3007 NEI report?....lol now that NEI report would include the remark "aliens with HIGH PROBABILITY have stopped their disintergrator technology as sanctions have appeared to work........."
Forgive my typos....that was lunch time for me.
See you all later.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 12:54 PM
Original Intent is an obfuscatory ploy, all gussied up in a disguise to make it look like a doctrine. The LOC has the numerous versions that the Founders worked on before they adopted the final 2d Amendment language. All mention of an individuated right or the necessity of self defense was stripped out before the Amendment was approved. That means the Founding Fathers rejected the right of and individual to keep and bear arms. It doesn't mean that they opposed possession by individuals, just that they did not want to elevate it such possession to a right. Further, while they were not opposed to personal self defense, the Founding Fathers rejected using a personal self defense argument as a basis for the Amendment.
Thus the original intention of the Founding Fathers was exactly what the 2d Amendment says, no more and no less : "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Clearly, the Amendment is about well regulated militias. We know that from the first 4 words of the first clause. The first clause is not about the right of an individual. Not only that, but the very phrase 'bear arms' descends from the antique laws of citizenship, which in Athens was based not just on the place of birth, but also on the ability to afford and carry weapons of war in defense of the State. It was the duty of the citizen to give military service, that is, to bear arms (or in Greek, hopla pherein) for the well-being of the State. In other words, weapons were allowed for the good of the State, administered by the government, rather than any individual citizen.
Unlike the today's pseudo-intellectual gun crazies, the Founding Fathers had Classical educations, knew the ancient Athenian laws, and consciously modeled elements of the American government after some of those laws. This will come as no surprise to anyone who read the Federalist Papers, Jefferson's and Adams' diaries, or the Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. In my opinion, NRA thought is not based on the same sources.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 12:57 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263553
Thanks eprof. We are talking to a bookseller about figuring out something like that. Developing . . .
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 12:59 PM
Sarah Palin's book is going to be called "Going Rogue." Has anyone looked up the phrase "Going Rogue" in the online Urban Dictionary? One should do that. It is a hoot.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
just type Going Rogue into the search engine there on the site. May not be safe for work. Use discretion.
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| September 30, 2009 1:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2229859/
environmental issues working at cross purposes.....
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 1:01 PM
"The D.C. Circuit opinion pointed out that the phrasing indisputably shows that the right was a pre-existing one. That is, the right to keep and bear arms already existed before the Second Amendment was written. The Second Amendment merely imposed a legal requirement that the right not be infringed by the federal government. The 1875 Supreme Court decision in Cruikshank said the same thing, as both the majority and dissent agree.
So what was “the” right that pre-existed the Constitution? The majority opinion provides an obvious answer. It was the right of having arms for personal defense, as guaranteed by the 1689 English Declaration of Right, and as expounded by Blackstone: “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation,” which was effectuated by “the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence.”
If the majority is right on this point, then the Stevens dissent is plainly wrong; the Second Amendment was intended to protect a personal right to arms for self-defense. So Stevens spends a good deal of effort claiming that the 1689 English Declaration of Right and the 1789 Bill of Rights were intended to address different problems. His main support for the argument is that the state ratification debates were replete with anti-Federalist objections about the potential for abuse of the militia powers which are granted to Congress in Article I.
But Stevens’s theory requires that we ignore an obvious source of original meaning: James Madison himself. Madison’s notes for his speech introducing the Bill of Rights into the U.S. House of Representatives indicate that his arms rights amendment was based on the English arms right, and that it was intended to remedy two key defects in the English right. The first was that the English right applied only to Protestants. (Who constituted about 98% of the population.) Second, because any act of Parliament can be negated by a later Parliament, the 1689 Parliament’s adoption of the Declaration of Right would constrain the monarch, but not effectively constrain future Parliaments. According to Madison, “They [the proposed Bill of Rights] relate 1st. to private rights — . . . fallacy on both sides — espec[iall]y as to English Decln. of Rts — 1. mere act of parl[iamen]t. 2. no freedom of press — Conscience . . . attainders — arms to Protest[an]ts.”[1]
Suppose that Madison’s notes had been destroyed, and we had no knowledge of them. Would Stevens’s theory still be plausible?
Not really. If the pre-existing right is not the traditional Anglo-American right to have arms for personal defense, then what is “the” pre-existing right? Stevens claims that the pre-existing right was a right to serve in the militia while armed. Yet, as the majority points out, Stevens cannot cite a shred of evidence in support of his assertion of a pre-existing militia right.
Alone among the twenty amicus briefs filed in support of the handgun ban, Dennis Henigan’s well-written brief for the Brady Center recognized the critical importance of “the.” The brief addressed the problem by pointing out that the state militia system long predated the Constitution. Indeed, according to Henigan, it could be traced all the way back to King Henry II’s 1181 Assize of Arms. (The Assize required all free men to have particular types of weapons, depending on their social rank.) The brief should have followed the militia roots even further, back to King Alfred the Great’s (871-901) system of the Saxon fyrd. (Jefferson and other American Founders lauded the rough liberty of the Saxons, and disdained the rigid aristocracy imposed by the Normans.)
But whether one is talking about Massachusetts militia laws from 1775, or their English ancestors, those militia laws never speak of a “right” of serving armed in the militia. Militia service, like paying taxes, was always recognized as a duty. In the Whig tradition, it was an especially honorable one, but a duty nonetheless.
So there was no pre-constitutional militia “right.” There being none, the only possible antecedent for “the” right to keep and bear arms is the explicit English right to personal arms for self-defense, and its antecedent in natural law. That issue settled, Stevens’s claim that Second Amendment was originally intended to be a militia-only right collapses." David Kopel 2008
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 1:06 PM
So much for throwing orginal intent into the garbage.
And psuedo-intellectuals XRepub? I suppose they are not limited to the gun crazy.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 1:16 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263549
Craig,
The Texas folks are in luck in case someone wants to do a get together down in that neck of the woods .... Tiptoe?
You will be in California at exactly the time my California daughter will be in Washington. So that is a no go for me.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 1:17 PM
Finance committee on C-SPAN 3 now arguing abortion.
Sheesh!!
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 1:20 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263557
Senor Horsedooty,
I love the synonym being "Scottish Underwear"
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 1:24 PM
Uh Max
Kopel isn't using original intent for his argument except for one reference to Madison But instead he is supporting his argument with references to precedence. An entirely different tool for examining the constitutionality of an issue
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 1:26 PM
maxtrue depends upon the authority of President Obama when it is convenient.
It matters less what the authors of legislation meant by a word or phrase than what we make of that word or phrase today, while meeting our present needs.
Per exemplum, the Founding Fathers had no notion of telephones, yet we use their words - not their thoughts - to govern our legal use of these tools. We do not need to know what Button Gwinnett thought of wiretapping, but his words on snooping, eavesdropping, trespass, burglary, and spying could be handy in helping us to formulate policy on wiretapping, as they touch upon the subject that troubles us. One of several reasons for upholding precision in language, rather than adopting sloppy, touchy-feely diction, is that the words of those long dead men often have great value as guides for today, but only if their words still convey a fairly consistent and precise meaning.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 1:29 PM
Speaking of angry -
Houston-area woman fries, eats husband's goldfish in revenge
http://www.kens5.com/latestnews/stories/KENS20090930-AP-Houston-Goldfish.1ce62bd2f.html
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 1:38 PM
Hello- here is my brother's reply that he wrote for my parents. Crazy what they went through. My mom threw away the initial package- looked like junk mail and knew she had insurance with NY not the company that sent it. She is SO involved with politics ( legally blind which has curtailed many of her activities) and a HUGE Obama supporter, think she is excited that she can contribute. She is going to call Schumer's office- writing she won't be doing. Anyways, she was just full of energy this morning, wanting me to get in touch with Craig and all of you right away. This is a woman who use to travel to DC for the War marches. Thank you all for your responses, it was great to pass them on to her.
Edward P. Cowley, Jr.
Altamont, NY 12009
September 30, 2009
Budco
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FAX: 1-866-371-6213
Re: NYSHIP Dependent Eligibility Verification Project
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The packet forms were unavailable and could not be printed from your website. The website instructed us to call the Service Center to request the needed forms. Calls to Budco headquarters in Michigan also directed us to call the Service Center. Unfortunately, the NYSHIP Dependent Eligibility Verification Project Service Center appears dysfunctional as none of our repeated telephone calls were answered as all agents were busy. We were told repeatedly to call back later.
However, the website indicated that a recent Federal tax return would suffice to verify that my wife, Bette (Elizabeth) and dependent of the past 55 years, is in fact a dependent covered by the New York Health Insurance Program. Please find faxed the first page of our Federal tax return. This information is very sensitive and is not to be shared with anyone.
If you still require the NYSHIP Dependent Eligibility Verification Project forms be submitted you may mail us a packet. If you have any questions please contact us at your convenience from 9 a.m. to 7:30 p. m. Eastern time at .
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Posted by: oldseahag
| September 30, 2009 1:44 PM
Now they are trying to go back to their old standby election winning ways with the gun debate & the abortion issue next they will bring out the man +women=child signs which will be on many lawns. Confusing the issues is one of their favorites. It worked before but this is not an election.
Posted by: buford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 1:44 PM
Max, while I appreciate the English historical trip to the tenth century, American independence in and of itself threw away the thethers of English law and left the new United States to set its own course of law. If that isn't true, we would have a monarch today; thus, the second amendment through James Madison's intrepretation was only valid to him and those that wanted to follow his theory if not his words.
I googled David Kopel and discovered that he is attached to the CATO Institute, the leading Liberterian think tank, and has written such tomes as, "Does God Believe in Gun Control?" If God is already on your side, then it must be true that there should not be any laws restricting gun ownership and use (where's the sarcasm icon?).
OK, back to you and Jack.
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 1:49 PM
Craig- thank you for the heads up. We're on it!
I am prostrating myself before you again. Things are DESPARATE with the loss of Kennedy regarding the 94th Liberator Status. Please if you have a contact you could get interested in this campaign from MSNBC. Jamie suggests Contessa Brewer or someone equally emotional or anyone you would suggest of course.
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 30, 2009 2:19 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263556
Craig --
Would it be too difficult for us to mail our purchased copy of the book, and have you return it with our enclosed addressed and postage-paid envelopes?
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 2:19 PM
I took my next-to-last chemotherapy pill this morning and went to radiation. Thursday will be the last day for both — at least for awhile.
http://seanholton.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 2:20 PM
cbob...
Here's praying for you that it holds the cancer back for a long, long time.
My daughter had her last radiation treatment over twenty four years ago and she's still cancer free. Hope and pray yours last as long.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| September 30, 2009 2:27 PM
"I took my next-to-last chemotherapy pill this morning and went to radiation. Thursday will be the last day for both — at least for awhile.
http://seanholton.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Colorado Bob Author Profile Page | September 30, 2009 2:20 PM"
That is good news, I hope you have a speedy recovery.
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 2:27 PM
"I love the synonym being "Scottish Underwear" Jamie wrote.
yeah, that is one of them but not the one I was thinking of. LOL
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| September 30, 2009 2:29 PM
Here are positive thoughts for you, friend.
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 2:29 PM
C-Bob,
Congratulations. I'm sure it must have been an ordeal, and I am sure I speak for many others in wishing you well and lasting health.
CJ
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 2:38 PM
Hey Folks that Lard's page I posted .... It's his last day of treatments tomorrow .
Sorry for not putting in the quotes.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 2:42 PM
Hogwash.
1. It is important to avoid confusing rights with common law usages and mere traditions. They are not the same. Further, it is important to avoid confusing government rights with the rights of states. Even further, it is important to distinguish between a right as a liberty, and an obligation to perform a civic or governmental task.
2. The rights granted by the crown in 1689 or any other year were superceded by the Constitution, and therefore null and void. Whether or not the English law and the 2d Amendment treat the same concerns is irrelevant and a red herring. Stevens' dissent is irrelevant to this discussion. By the Treaty of Paris even the British agreed that they and their laws no longer had authority in the 13 states..
3. Several states, aware that the proposed Constitution failed to provide adequate protections against tyranny, refused to ratify it.
The 2d Amendment was one of the 10 remedies offered to those worried states. It had been written and rewritten several times before it was finally adopted.
The very fact that
a) states felt a need for the Amendment, and
b) that the Founding Fathers created the Amendment, argues strongly that the Founding Fathers found no such protection in the new Constitution, and that their Original Intent was to create such protection.
4. The fact that the various successive versions of the Amendment stripped out individuated right as and language refering to self defense, argues strongly that the Amendment was intended to provide State militias' with a right to bear arms, rather than an individual right.
5. The Fyrd was the Anglelonde's national army. It died at Senlac Hill on October 14, 1066. Besides being 700 years obsolete by tthe Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, the Fyrd law does not apply to rights of individuals, but rather to obligations that landed (and they were all landed back then) aristocrats owed the crown.
Under Anglo Saxon Fyrd Law, thanes owed military service to the king. The revenue of each thane's land determined how many armed men each thane had to provide the king for a mandatory 30 days each year. IOW, it was not a right, rather it was a duty to perform in exchange for the right to take income from a specific parcel of land. In regard to this 2d Amendment discussion, the Fyrd law red herring has been irrelevant for 943 years.
6. A duty to show up with equipment to fight and perhaps die is not the same as a liberty to possess firearms.
7. The 1875 SCOTUS found in Cruikshank that it is the Federal government rather than individuals that may not infringe the right to bear arms. That decision said absolutely nothing about whose right to bear arms is addressed in the 2d Amendment. Red herring.
It would be really helpful if you would get things straight before you pontificate on them.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 2:50 PM
...to Bill Brasky!
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 2:51 PM
"...the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Leaving aside all of the theoretical clap-trap, it seems to be to really hinge on the word "infringed." There are already all kinds of restrictions on what kinds of arms may be borne, by whom are where. Are they all to be thrown out the window? If I choose to protect my home by planting landmines in my front yard, is that okay?
It really comes down to the point that this is not an absolute right, and that it is subject to reasonable rules and regulations -- reasonable to be determined first by the legislative process. In no state that I am aware of is a civilian permitted to carry a loaded weapon into a court room. This, some might say, is an infringement. Others might say that a prohibition on carrying a concealed weapon into a restaurant/bar is not an unreasonable infringement.
Ultimately, it is a matter that is probably best determined by state legislatures, which is what the upcoming case is all about.
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 2:53 PM
"If I choose to protect my home by planting landmines in my front yard, is that okay?"
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com Author Profile Page | September 30, 2009 2:53 PM
From what I remember, no. There was a case in the '90s (I think) and some guy booby-trapped his house, and a burglar hurt himself... I believe the homeowner had criminal charges pressed against him and lost. That's all anecdotal and possibly bullshit...
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 2:56 PM
Mr. Bob,
I hope these nasty treatments work perfectly, and that you live happily until you just can't stand not being with God.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 3:00 PM
LOL...
You got and beat cancer all in the span of 10 minutes, Bob. Atta Boy.
Hope you are well, Lard. Fuck that cancer.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:01 PM
Yes, of course people in colonial times and before kept arms for self defense and for hunting purposes. The only issue I have with the Heller decision is the parsing away of the "well regulated militia" and "necessary to the security of a free State" clauses from the "right to bear arms" and "shall not be infringed" clauses. I find it disingenuous to argue that the first two clauses either have no limiting meaning in the context of the sentence or that they stand as two dependent clauses, connected by a comma and separated by a comma from the final two dependent clauses, which are also connected by a comma. I'm NOT saying that either of those are what the founders had in mind when they wrote that very poorly constructed sentence, and I'm NOT saying that the founders did or did not intend that the second half of the sentence bestow an individual right on citizens. I am saying that I don't find the way in which Scalia arrived at the result in the case to be very convincing.
CJ, consistent with what you have pointed out above, our Court has repeatedly held that none of the rights bestowed by the constitution are absolute and that the states may impose reasonable restrictions on them without violating the Constitution. It has upheld some restrictions and overturned others, sometimes relying on reasoning similar to Scalia's and at other times coming up with other ways to arrive at its decisions. Makes life difficult for one who might try to predict what the court might do in any case whose decision relies upon interpretation of an ambiguous clause in the documents. Right now, the court has a rightward bent now that Kennedy has leaned that direction - so expect to see more decisions that that look a lot like Scalia's in Heller.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:07 PM
Bob, godspped as they say. Let's hope for an indefinite remission. Did they let you keep yor eyebrows?
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:10 PM
...godspeed.....your....
(damn)
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:11 PM
CORRECTION !
Hey Folks that Lard's page I posted .... It's his last day of treatments tomorrow .
Sorry for not putting in the quotes.
I’ll always have Fargo
http://seanholton.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 3:12 PM
Hm. I screwed up in my 1st point, which should read, "...avoid confusing state government rights with the rights of individuals."
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 3:12 PM
D-L.
That was my point. That right was, correctly I'd say, 'infringed.'
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 3:15 PM
I've seen a set trap case that involved the death of a volunteer firefighter. Not quite the break-in that the trap setter imagined. However, a limited imagination does not excuse one.
Land mines would fall into the same set trap category, despite the alleged constitutional right of every individual to keep and bear landmines.( ;>D)<
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 3:21 PM
That adoption of English Law discussion is an interesting one. On the Federal level, there is no common law. e.g. there is no right to sue anyone under Federal law unless it is provided for in statute. The underlying law that provides the cause of action is the substantive law of the states, which, at least for the 13 original ones, adopted the common law of England prior to 1789, uniformly, if memory serves me correctly. That doesn't mean that federal court is not open for lawsuits as long as the jurisdictional thresholds are crossed, and this is a gross generalization and simplification, but the courts apply the law of the states involved, at least in tort and contract cases.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:33 PM
beck is descended from Joe Pine and Mort Downey on the father's side, and oral roberts and garner ted armstrong on the sissy side. He is not at all related to Edward R. Morrow, William Shirer, John Gunther, or Bob Woodward.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 3:36 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263575
Senor Dooty
While I admired the creativity of the alternate definition, I decided that any mention of it in this place was probably nay absolutely inappropriate. :-)
Besides, I adore men in kilts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAsraTQxmMg
Clap along!
"I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath their kilt"
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:39 PM
Mr. Pogo,
Smith on tortszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 3:45 PM
Bad week in the east, ..... the dead odometer is about to really spin -
Up to 1,000 killed and more trapped by earthquake in Indonesia's Sumatra
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/indonesia/6248217/Up-to-1000-killed-and-more-trapped-by-earthquake-in-Indonesias-Sumatra.html
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 3:46 PM
Personally, I believe that the founders had 2 reasons to protect gun rights.
They intended that the citizenry be able protect and defend their lives and property.
They intended that the citizenry be able to once again rise up and overthrow an abusive gov't like we did with the British. This never could have happened with an unarmed populace.
It is unfortunate but I believe that, as citizens, there still exists a significant risk of abuse by our elected gov't and it's increasingly large bureaucracy. I believe that an armed populace is as important today as it was then.
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 3:47 PM
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47
An Indian farmer’s daughter disarmed a terrorist leader who broke into her home, attacked him with an axe and shot him dead with his own gun.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/6244076/Farmers-daughter-disarms-terrorist-and-shoots-him-dead-with-AK47.html
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Feel good story of the week.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 3:48 PM
Never mess with a farmer's daughter.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 3:52 PM
CBob
And as horrific as all those deaths are, every single person plus approximately another 7000 people will exist in their place tomorrow.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 3:53 PM
Jax-
If the boys in black come to get you, it don't matter how much ammo is in the closet.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 3:54 PM
Cbob,
That's my problem. I don't keep any ammo near the guns. It'd take me 10 min to get loaded and then do anything.
I did keep a shotgun loaded in the week or so after Hurricane Ike until the street lights came back on. First shot was bird shot but the rest were serious......:)
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 3:58 PM
Jax -
It's these guys that scare me -
Mysterious Private Security Firm Gets Control Of Empty Jail In Small Montana Town
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/american_police_force_hardin_montana.php?ref=fpblg
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 3:59 PM
Excuse me that would be 7000 in the next hour not the next day. The sheer size of the numbers throw me, but it is about 75 million new people per year.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:01 PM
Cbob,
Boy, you're not kiddin........that's disturbing.....
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:03 PM
Visitors to APF's Blackwater-esque Web site listen to Ravel's Boléro and peruse a menu of services that include: harbor patrol threat interdiction, interdicting terror activity, interdicting weapons of mass destruction, international airline security, cheating spouse investigations, polygraph testing, kidnapping response, weapons sales including "Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (WMD)," and, finally, private investigative services that draw on "vast global network of highly ranked officers and government officials."
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Ravel's Boléro will never be the same.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 4:04 PM
Craig called the "right to bear arms" an anachronism. That may be true if you believe government will always protect you and will always act in your best interest. If you believe that, call 911 and hit a stopwatch (don't though, unless you have to... don't want to encourage illegal abuse of resources). Even if you live in a good neighborhood, it ain't fast enough.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:07 PM
CBob
I could have kissed Rachel the night she did the run down of all the times various security and military firms have been convicted of fraud or their employees convicted of felonies and then compared the costs to ACORN.
All of these riled taxpayers screaming about ACORN fraud should be aware that it would take 20 years or more for ACORN to come close to the monies wasted on these suppliers many of which have had to pay back millions but are still receiving contracts.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:11 PM
XR, actually, it was Prosser...zzzzzzz
Jax, my money's on the government.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:11 PM
Jax says:
"It is unfortunate but I believe that, as citizens, there still exists a significant risk of abuse by our elected gov't and it's increasingly large bureaucracy. I believe that an armed populace is as important today as it was then."
Good luck with your 30.06 against the United States Army.
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 4:11 PM
Jamie-
Of all of the thousands of ways to die, being trapped in rubble has got to be the one of the worst.
One of the reports I've seen said the people in Padang, had to sit down in the street for 2 min. ..... the ground was moving so violently.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 4:12 PM
...pitchforks will work, in a pinch.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:12 PM
Grassley just got caught trying to shift even more money over to the Insurance companies by stealing from medicaid funds
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:13 PM
Speaking of Medicaid...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/health/policy/01medicaid.html?hp
Enrollment has surged.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:14 PM
Pitchforks usually go on sale this time of year, by the way.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:14 PM
Dark,
The actual verbiage is " the right of the people to Keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed"
Anachronism....I don't think so......
I can understand local laws regulating the bearing of arms in public but I have serious issues with regulating the "keeping" or ownership right.
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:15 PM
Don't mess with farmers either -
Bangladesh awards farmer who killed 83,000 rats
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1120ap_as_bangladesh_champion_rat_killer.html?source=mypi
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 4:17 PM
All this gun-control talk is silly. The laws are already incredibly strict. Ask Plaxico Buress. If you get caught with an illegal gun, you're going to jail. Guess what? "Criminals" don't care, they are breaking other laws anyway, hence the need for a gun.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:18 PM
Cajun,
I'm sure that those colonial militamen facing the British weren't too keen on the technological differences either.......but they did it nonetheless and here we all are.......go figure....:)
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:18 PM
CBob
True, being buried alive is not pleasant, and I feel deeply for the pain of those people. I hope we are in there with aid as rapidly as possible.
Unfortunately, the other side of that coin is that the world is down to about a 1.1% increase and that still means millions every year. How to bring it down even farther while allowing a die off period of the elderly at a steady rate is absolutely necessary except for what it does to a world economy that supposedly needs to keep growing.
At the rate the species is stripping the environment, we could all be dying in some very unpleasant ways within 50 years.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:20 PM
Pogo,
laughs....whata shock.....:)
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:20 PM
Article IV, Section 102 of Alabama's Constitution of 1901 decrees: "The legislature shall never pass any law to authorize or legalize any marriage between any white person and a negro, or descendant of a negro."
Times do change, and sometimes for the better.
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 4:21 PM
Well , let's all keep an idea on this little gem -
PHOENIX - Wednesday, September 30, a new gun law goes into effect. Concealed-weapons-permit holders will be able to carry concealed handguns into bars and restaurants.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/guns_in_bars_law_09_27_2009
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Because nothing says fun like , an autoloader, and Black Jack on the rocks.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 4:22 PM
Cbob,
Surely the owner of the establishment dictates what can and can't be carried in their property........Is the state subverting that?
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:24 PM
P.S. It was repealed in 2000 in a statewide referendum with 60%(!) of the voters voting to repeal the provision that had been voided by prevailing Federal law.
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 4:25 PM
"Craig, you can go incognito on FBN"
ree, good idea. it's halloween time almost so maybe throw a sheet over him and go as duke, the bush beans dog... or david duke... or as a "ghost" writer and plug his new book
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 4:27 PM
Jax,
If it is concealed how is the owner going to enforce his establishment rule, even if he legally could, which he probably can't?
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| September 30, 2009 4:27 PM
I know that here in Texas the property owner of an establishment serving the public has the right to limit weapon possesion on their property.
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:29 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/despite-outrage-many-hous_n_304175.html
Hypocrisy on parade.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:30 PM
Excuse me Jax, but that's silly shit. Go stand with Gl'eck, sorry you missed the Take My Country Back seminar - I'm sure there was plenty of similar discussin there among the idiots who attended.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:35 PM
Massive earthquakes on one side of the globe can weaken faults half a world away, scientists announced today.
A group of seismologists studying the massive 2004 earthquake that triggered killer tsunamis throughout the Indian Ocean found that the quake had weakened at least a portion of California's famed San Andreas Fault.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/090930-fault-weakening.html
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Talk about a timely paper.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 4:38 PM
cbob, thanks for the link to sean's latest great story. the one following it about his dogs was good too and that pool picture is priceless.
here's the site again for anyone who missed it.
http://seanholton.wordpress.com/
Posted by: patd
| September 30, 2009 4:41 PM
Pogo,
No clue what you're talking about..........laughs...
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:47 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263597
Jax --
You hit it. The Originators probably never intended for the tactics they invented against a foreign power to be turned on them domestically to bring down the government they founded.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:47 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/obama-coup-fantasized-abo_n_304231.html
This the kind of stuff you're talking about Jax? It was even too much for NewsMax - and that's quite a stretch.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:48 PM
Really, Jax, here's what I'm talking about,
"It is unfortunate but I believe that, as citizens, there still exists a significant risk of abuse by our elected gov't and it's increasingly large bureaucracy. I believe that an armed populace is as important today as it was then."
Those two clauses are disjunctive I suppose.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:52 PM
My cabbie last week in a small town in Scotland (a former boxer) had time for just a few questions during our short ride about what is it really like in America. One of those questions was, "don't you have too many guns over there?" We seem to have an image problem.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 4:53 PM
Ivy,
You're probably right....I think they were hoping that they could get it right. But they were fearful.....
Here's a quote from our first Pres
" Gov't is not reason, it is not eloquent, it is force.
Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master"
I'd say that he had some concerns.....:)
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 4:54 PM
"Good luck with your 30.06 against the United States Army"
CJ
Except they wouldn't be taking on the Army but rather the US government. It is a lot softer target and easier to scare.
Then again look at what the Afghans are able to do with light weapons and high explosive.
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 4:57 PM
Pogo,
That's where we differ. I see an armed free citizenry as insurance to perpetuate our way of life
You see it as some crazy conspiracy waiting to happen...... I bet you still sleep with the lights on......laughs
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:03 PM
c'bob - Hope all stays well with you.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| September 30, 2009 5:04 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263634
Ivey
That fear was what brought them together to write the constitution. They had an example already with Shay's rebellion.
Notice that the bill of rights was tacked on to get the constitution passed and were not part of the main body.
The 2nd amendment is a reflextion of the conflict between those who feared mob rule and those like Jefferson who said"What's the problem with a little revolution."
The second amendment is obviously a punt on the founding fathers part.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 5:10 PM
No, jax, but that is where we differ. I sleep well, and not overly concerned about the risk of government abuse, certainly not concerned enough to feel like the citizenry needs to be armed to prevent that. Really, now - a risk of abuse at the hands of democrats and bureaucrats? After the attack on our liberties by the Bush regime? I can't quite picture it.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:11 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263631
CBob
Now you are making me homesick. All they have in the northwest are volcanoes. I miss good ol' shake and bake.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:12 PM
Oh, and by the way, that armed free citizenry killed about 31,000 of each other in 2006. Not bad, I guess.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:17 PM
Pogo,
It's not necessary that you be able to picture it today.
"Those that forget the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat it"
A democracy is a fragile thing. I think ours stays strong because our citizens by and large are not afraid.
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:18 PM
CBob, the wife and I went out to lunch today and saw our first posted "no guns allowed" in the restaurant sign. Yes, the restaurant owner can chose guns or no guns with signage. Letter to the editor this morning said, if they didn't see a no guns sign they weren't going to eat there and they would take their business elsewhere. It's going to be interesting to see AZ return to the wild west where people will be asked to check their guns at the door of restaurants, bars, taverns, and any place else people can drink alcohol. No word yet on guns in churches or schools. But, as the rest of the world knows, people can bring guns to political rallies, even when the president is speaking. Yaa hooo, ride 'em cowboy!
Posted by: eprof2.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:24 PM
Eprof,
Those signs are all over here in Texas. Every public building and quite a few private establishments.
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:27 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263638
Jax,
And to Washington's he stepped down after two terms and we have peaceably, despite more than a few electoral shenanigans and upheavals, continued electing leaders for 220 years since.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:27 PM
I had less trouble picturing that a couple years ago.
I'm trying to remember the last time a significant number of citizens tried to overthrow their oppressive government - oh, wait, I think they called it the Civil War Seems the last time that kind of thing worked there was an ocean between the citizens and the government they were opposing. No, wait, an armed citizenry overthrew an oppressive government about 30 years ago - in Iran. The world has certainly applauded that.
History does indeed teach its lessons.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:28 PM
Jamie,
I agree wholeheartedly....I just think its prudent to heed their intent......Always keep a wary eye on gov't.....
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:29 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263647
Will they be substituting swinging saloon doors with metal detectors?
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:29 PM
Jamie,
I know that we get a quick patdown search now at the professional football, baseball and basketball games here in Houston. Do they do that in other venues here in the US?
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:32 PM
Pogo
Laughs.....your sarcasm reminds me of a punky kid.....laughs
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:34 PM
Jax, but seriously - our citizens are not afraid of their government because they can change it. The more paranoid ones may be afraid of it, but most people are satisfied that our leaders respect the mechanisms that put them in office enough to leave when those mechanisms put someone else in their place. IMHO it has nothing to do with arms.
You live in the wild west - do you feel safer or less safe when you see someone you don't believe is with law enforcement or the military wearing a sidearm? How about if you hear gunshots? That's the kind of stuff that can keep me up at night.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:37 PM
So Jax, can you come up with an instance where a citizenry rebelled against the government and a democracy happened.
And you can't use us as an example because we were already a collection of funtioning independent governing bodies. The English were trying to regain authority over us.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 5:39 PM
Jax, I try to mock only silly arguments.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:40 PM
Tweety is chaney and cheenying again ... boredom change to CNN
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:42 PM
Pogo,
Guns don't bother me in the least. I suppose because I know that I have one too.....albeit mine are all locked up in safe and the key is locked in a drawer........not very quick response...:)
I'd say that my biggest concern for myself and my family would be a drunk or impaired driver.........I see so many close calls and an accident almost everyday.......
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:44 PM
Jack,
Didn't know I had that assignment but OK.....I guess the next one after us was the French Republic. They had a rough run of it. But after Napoleon they sort of got it right.......
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:48 PM
Jack,
There are alot of forms of gov't that have been instituted after a rebellion. I think its kind of presumputous to think that every one must result in a democracy. Historically that's never been the case.
Posted by: jaxtrader
| September 30, 2009 5:54 PM
Yes, drunk/impaired drivers are a problem - about half as many people are killed by drunk drivers in the US annually as by gunshots (16,885 in 2005 vs. 31,000 +/- gunshot deaths in 2006 - and less than 1.5% of gunshot fatalities are a result of law enforcement intervention). But I do get your point and don't diasagree abou tthe threat of impaired drivers, and I frankly do think more about that threat than I do gun violence.
But I guess I should run out and see what the kid is up to. It's homecoming week and there are outside festivities that he's enjoying despite the dropping thermometer. Manana.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:57 PM
Well, actually, Mexico is one.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 5:58 PM
Jax
I can't think of any either, in fact most armed rebellions seem to end up like your example of France and Pogo's example of Iran where some form of authoritarian rule picks up the pieces and restores order.
People will give up a lot for an ordered society.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 6:02 PM
"Guns don't bother me in the least. I suppose because I know that I have one too....."
They'll bother you when some drunk in a bar pulls his out and starts shooting.
Posted by: Patsi
| September 30, 2009 6:03 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263564
Jack, his use of original intent in the essay I posted is exactly how others have used it in different cases. I picked this quotation, (though some would rather avoid dealing with what Kopel wrote and digress into refutation by association), because it shows a good example of original intent. And we don't have to read Madison’s mind. Are you saying this doesn't matter? Are you mreally saying that when evidence presents itself we should ignore it in our effort to apply Constitutional law? Was Jefferson and Franklin, Hamilton and others unaware of what Madison intended? Is there record of this, or is this original intent consistent with the record and affirmed by a national vote? You can always change it, yes?
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263569
Some argue that precedent and original intent have no meaning in interpreting the Constitution. Well, I am glad this is not the mainstream view. It certainly hasn’t been advocated by any Supreme Court nominees. It reminds me of the mantra that Bush above all others sought to destroy the Constitution. Some prefer to have one the way they think it ought to read. We see over and over the same people belittling original intent and precedent yet make the opposite argument when the court rules in their favor. Selective Constitutionalism Sorry that contemporary interpretation leads down memory lane.
New Pogo and others, I hardly advocated that the 2nd implies no restrictions. Arms could reasonable mean stingers and there are consistent Constitutional laws that make such weapons illegal. In fact, in a seminal case more than seventy five years ago the court rejected an appeal regarding a shot gun used in self defense, merely because it wasn't a weapon a militia used. That was factually wrong however as US forces at the time, did in fact use shot guns. It will be interesting how the court comes down on restrictions. Given the already out of control situation in Chicago, a partial martial law could Constitutionally restrict gun possession, though some would argue such neighborhoods are exactly where citizens need guns to protect themselves. Before everyone starts quoting gun death statistic, take a look at death by preventable infection at American hospitals. We could cherry pick all night. That is not to say that local and State government has no power to restrict. The total ban which Obama gave contradictory judgments of seems to on the block for rejection as the court has issued some recent decision, again, Obama did not reject when questioned during the campaign.
XRepub, don't blow a gasket. Whatever you think of Kopel, the counter to your bandwidth is reasonable. The court ruled as such already because precedent and original intent informed what Sotomayer advocated as following the law. If you want to change it, there is a Constitutional mechanism that probably goes back as far as your history lesson. The lack of criminal convictions for having a gun prior to the 2nd speaks volumes as to the right of such possession. As I said, Franklin kept a rifle and ammo for his wife to use while he was overseas. On one occasion, an angry mob nearly burned down his house when Franklin was in England. Madison was not alone in his intent and what other person objected to his meaning? You can post all you want, but there was a modern concept of the right to have a gun for self-protection in the very law our Founders used for their formulation of our Constitution. It wasn't Greek or Assyrian law they pondered the majority of the time, but how to modify the Federalism and Common Law, Individual Rights and Secularism they brought with them to our shores and that consititued their immediate customs and inclinations. Note that guns more so than abortion have claim to such "rights", yet the mere fact abortions were legal in colonial times provides evidence to abortion supporters the Constitution could not possible in itself prohibit abortion and I agree. What is left are for States and the Federal government the power to restrict.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 6:08 PM
David Brin, the Science Fiction author wrote this essay several years ago that I've always though was a good compromise solution to the 2nd amendment problem the founding fathers passed on to us.
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2007/01/brin-classics-jefferson-rifle.html
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 6:09 PM
I'll tell ya... if you had told ME 3 months ago that the Republicans would be able to get their 'troops' all riled up.. (and those people who showed up at the town halls all looked like THEY needed healthcare) and chant 'WE DONT WANT HEALTHCARE!' How in the WORLD can anyone NOT want healthcare? After shooting down healthcare in the 90s you would THINK that every Dem that got elected would be LINING up to vote for it. Those Blue Dogs are on the WRONG side of this. They were elected BECAUSE fo Obama, because healthcare was an election issue. It's times like these that make people who live in the OTHER western democracies feel very grateful that they live where they live.
Posted by: tylenol
| September 30, 2009 6:26 PM
Posted by: jaxtrader | September 30, 2009 3:47 PM : "Personally, I believe that the founders had 2 reasons to protect gun rights."
Funny that they didn't say so, doncha think ?
When you feel that need to shoot Federal officials, Jax, be sure and let the Secret Service know about it a few weeks ahead of time. It could mean the difference between 3 square meals a day in a soft room, and the Federal gas chamber at Leavenworth.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 6:29 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263663
Mexico?
well the first thing to happen was a general seized power and declared himself emperor.
Then every few years they bounced back and forth between dictatorship civil war and democracy for almost 100 years and the PRE was formed(party of institutionalized revolution of something like that.) Then they had a one party state , (with elections) up until recently, when they finally have what would be recognised as a stable democracy.
Well mostly stable.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 6:30 PM
"his use of original intent in the essay I posted is exactly how others have used it in different cases"
That he does, as he only chooses those founding fathers who prove his case and doesn't include those that don't.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 6:34 PM
After my little run in with the local cops which I talked about here last month. My Brother in law said that was a good reason for the second amendment. I pointed out to him that there were a lot of them and I couldn't afford the ammo to take on the whole police department and besides I wasn't feeling suicidal that day.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 6:38 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263668
Blue Dogs were elected on the spin they ran on, not Obama's healthcare plan and they gave the Democrats the edge in 2004 and 2008. They weren't elected to give the Democrats the edge, it just ended up that way. Before you vilify them, understand what they object to.
Gees, Clinton compromised with Republicans and Democrats can't even compromise with their own members. It is either Pelosi's plan or the highway? That is why there is an obstacle and I predicted the danger in advancing the causes without being realistic would cause problems. You should be happy ACORN was able to get that 60th vote in office. And without Blue Dogs Obama would have a worse time, not a better time because where Blue Dogs come from the people are not likely to elect Durbin or Boxer.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 6:44 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263669
That is so foolish XRepub. It is quite clear our Founders did in fact want the people to have the ability to overthrow tyranny euther State or Federal. The criteria was established in the great document they wrote in 1776. Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you understand why we revolted against England? Have you read the Declaration of Independence? How can you argue that "militia" was added to the right of self defense for this very point as Jax suggests. Wasn't it Reagan who nationalized State militias? That struck me as going against the 2nd.There are actually two rights in the 2nd, one growing out of the first. The individual has a right to have a gun for self-defense and the People have a right to have arms to check domestic tyranny.
Just imagine what you would be saying if Cheny declared martial law and ordered you to watch FOX news. I bet you would be cleaning your chambers......
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 6:52 PM
Posted by: Colorado Bob | September 30, 2009 4:22 PM : "Because nothing says fun like , an autoloader, and Black Jack on the rocks."
I associate the word autoloader with Remington. I
have an early 12 ga autoloader that I got from a fellow who went AWOL from the British Navy in 1914 and 55 years later was still afraid that they find and hang him.
I love that big old culvert, but it isn't really that much fun to shoot. My own idea of a bang up good time would be a street sweeper, although I hear they tthat end to be very pushy bastards. The old russian PPSH43 with the big drum is pretty fun. I never owned a machine gun. Sigh. M79s are a kick, too, but it's too hard, expensive, and illegal to get grenades for them these days.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 6:53 PM
Sorry, I'm showing my age. They don't use the gas chamber anymore, it's all done by lethal injection these days.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 6:54 PM
Xrep
Maybe it is from too many gangster movies but I've always wanted to shoot a Tommygun. Probably hard as hell to handle.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 6:58 PM
dynamite is fun too,
I havn't bought any in years. Last time I bought some was back when Reagan was president. All you had to do at that time was declare you were sane. They didn't ask you to prove it. Which was a good thing because my buddy , Dean would have had a problem there.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 7:03 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263671
I am waiting Jack for you to show me what original intent you have that contradicts Madison's view. Show me a Founder or State Representitive that denied citizens have no right to own a firearm. The link below points you in the direction of eraly State Consitutions.
For more on Kopel, just one voice but from NYU here is this: http://www.davekopel.com/2A/gun.htm
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 7:04 PM
Max
Go back and read my post on Shay's rebellion.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 7:05 PM
i know it's off the wall......but the last time armed citizens tried to fend off the federal gov't it resulted in "reconstruction" for the confederate states......
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 7:06 PM
Sturge
Just to keep up my contrarian mood today.
I would call that more a clash of state militias with the Federal army weighing in for good measure.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 7:11 PM
yep.......
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 7:13 PM
Sturge
there is the whisky rebellion that Washington had put down. I'm sure some of my folks were in on it. They may have even been hung.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 7:20 PM
Okay, Let's go forward. I agree about Shay's. Here is some great reporting by AP picked up by Slate: http://slatest.slate.com/id/2231055/entry/3
I'm being sarcastic.....
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 7:31 PM
They may have even been hung.
Jack
delivering his straight line again
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 7:35 PM
hung in there didn't ya.....
what i mean is....all the guns in someone's basement arent going to do them one lick of good unless the govt disappears....cause if the govt wants to oppress you then youre gonna get oppressed guns or no guns.....in fact, given the fact that one has guns, one would probably be oppressed and shot as well......
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 7:40 PM
Posted by: maxtrue | September 30, 2009 6:52 PM : "That is so foolish XRepub. It is quite clear our Founders did in fact want the people to have the ability to overthrow tyranny euther State or Federal. The criteria was established in the great document they wrote in 1776. Where do you come up with this stuff?"
It apparently escaped your notice, but with only a couple of exceptions the '76 crowd and the '89 crowd were different people with different concerns.
Only an utter fool would intimate that the British rule was overthrown by individuals. It is just as stupid to suppose that an individual with a fowling piece could take down an oppressive Federal government in 1789, as it would be today. That is one of several reasons that states wanted guarantees that they could maintain "well regulated militias" - a state militia having at least some possibility of cutting big Federal britches down to size.
If there were anything written by the men who attended the Constitutional Convention regarding a general agreement or even a large minority of opinion among them, favoring an individual right to keep and bear arms, absent membership in a militiaman, you would have brought it up yesterday. You have not. Instead, you bombarded us with inconsequential factoids such as Cruikshank, and for God's sake, the Saxon Fyrd, curiosities that have absolutely no bearing on individual rights to bear arms or the history of the 2d Amendment. You flailed about, thrusting forward your errant suppositions regarding what YOU say must have been in the Founding Fathers' minds, such as a desire that men be armed, rather than what the Founders actually said. It is their opinion that counts in this discussion, not your delusions.
In the last day, you produced not a single, solitary, actual, relevant fact to support your position. We can all see you legal impotence, and your failure after all these hours to make any cogent point. So, who are you to call anyone else a fool ?
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 7:43 PM
"Wednesday's White House session was believed to have been the most high-powered gathering so far.
It was to have included Vice President Joe Biden; Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton; Gates; Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan; Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Gen. David Petraeus, U.S. Central Command; McChrystal; Admiral Dennis Blair, director of National Intelligence; CIA Director Leon Panetta; Karl Eikenberry, U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan; Anne Patterson, U.S. ambassador to Pakistan; and national security adviser Gen. James Jones" Now can anyone guess what this crew will lean towards? Of course, Biden will liven up the party.
Here is the link from AP: http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9000/9053811/AP_source_Obama_makes_no_decisions_on_Afghan_war
Some unseen pics from Mercury..
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/09/nasa-spacecraft-images-previously-unseen-territory-on-mercury/
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 7:43 PM
Give it a rest XRepub. Read "The Right To Bare Arms". You can find it at the Kopel link above. She goes into great detail explaining common misperception of English law. I am glad however I convinced you of the importance of original intent, or as some unintelligent people call originalism. Certainly you understand the utility of precedent.
Better yet, go to Althouse and post very loudly what you post here. I am sure several Constitutional lawyers can debate you. I am not one.
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 7:53 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263674
"Blue Dogs were elected on the spin they ran on, not Obama's healthcare plan and they gave the Democrats the edge in 2004 and 2008. They weren't elected to give the Democrats the edge, it just ended up that way. Before you vilify them, understand what they object to."
Hi Max,
I think the Blue Dogs are shameful!! They vote against a public option not out of conviction or what they ran for office on,but because their bought off by the Insurance companies,imo..I'm going to Firedog soon and give a donation to run ads against them...
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 30, 2009 7:58 PM
too funny
http://www.chia.com/
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 30, 2009 8:02 PM
Thee was the Bonus Army march and camp out. Not exactly a rebellion or violent except on the Federal side.
Nothing quite like the US Army led by McArthur and Patton gassing veterans and violating the posse comitatas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:16 PM
"cause if the govt wants to oppress you then youre gonna get oppressed guns or no guns"
Yep, and they get to buy ammo wholesale.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 8:19 PM
The 1932 march was brutally suppressed by U.S. Army troops under the leadership of Douglas MacArthur and George S. Patton. After his election, Franklin D. Roosevelt, offered members of the Bonus Army work building the Overseas Highway in the Florida Keys. In 1936 Congress, overriding Roosevelt's veto, allowed the veterans to redeem their certificates early.
many of the ones who went to work on the florida keys highway wound up drowned and missing after the hurricane of 35.....Hemingway wrote about it......can't remember the name of the piece, though
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:24 PM
Meet the Palin Ghost
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27777.html
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:24 PM
oops.....needed quotes around that first paragraph from wiki
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:25 PM
I never wrote that original intent is unimportant, rather I pointed out that it is a tool that has value on occasion. There is a difference.
I also wrote that scalia, the premiere proponent of the Original Intent (besides bork of self-inflicted irrelevance), ignores his doctrine in his own decision making, as he did in the appointment of the bushcheneyrumdumb Junta. Pogo pointed out correctly, that scalia legislated from the bench in his very anti-Original Intent-ist opinion in District of Columbia v Heller. Again, if the most vocal proponent of the doctrine doesn't feel a need to follow it, why should anyone else?
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 8:25 PM
wacovians had plenty of guns.....
Posted by: sturgeone
| September 30, 2009 8:30 PM
Max sed: "You should be happy ACORN was able to get that 60th vote in office."
Here's another one of those diddies max repeats so often that he believes it.
Max, Jamie countered that crap yesterday. If there was a fraudulent voter ACORN signed up, they didn't get to vote. If the voter was legit they did. End of story. ACORN assisted with registration not conducting elections.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 30, 2009 8:49 PM
Too Many Nones
http://blog.au.org/2009/09/29/too-many-nones-religious-right-bothered-by-doityourself-spirituality/
Seems Evangelicals are worried that people can design their own God as necessary.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 8:57 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263701
voter, aka registrant . . .derrr.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 30, 2009 9:10 PM
Microsoft Security Essentials has just been released. It's a quite well tested program intended to protect people from Viruses and a host of other security problems. I am using it on my computers.
This link says it all:
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
Oh, I forgot; it is free.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 30, 2009 9:17 PM
Flatus, Thx I might try it since my Spy Sweeper just expired and I'm being stingy in order to buy OSH a pint or three. :-)
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 30, 2009 9:21 PM
I think you'll like it, Rez; it's very straightforward.
If it's Guinness, get a pint for me, too.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 30, 2009 9:27 PM
If anyone is interested I heard that the following is now a done deal.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AB_INBEV_AMUSEMENT_PARKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Report: Blackstone Group may buy AB InBev's parks
September 23, 2009
NEW YORK (AP) -- Private equity firm Blackstone Group is looking into buying Anheuser-Busch InBev's theme parks, including its three SeaWorld venues and two Busch Gardens, according to a media report Wednesday.
Dow Jones Newswires - citing unnamed sources - said the firm was considering buying theme parks operated under Busch Entertainment Corp.
Buying the parks could make sense for Blackstone, whose investments include Universal Studios Orlando and Madame Tussauds wax museums.
According to its Web site, Anheuser-Busch InBev owns 10 amusement parks, including three SeaWorlds, two Busch Gardens and such other parks as Sesame Place and Adventure Island.
Posted by: Purple-in-Tampa
| September 30, 2009 9:31 PM
What kind of beer will willard sell in his theme parks ?
Joseph Smith's Fire Brewed Lager ?
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 9:42 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-26370
What I am suggesting is that ACORN was caught on video telling voters to register as Democrats. Is anybody going to deny they want to register Democrats? Last summer I saw a video where ACORN registration workers told people that the Democrats were the ones to vote for. One worker boasted she could sign people up as Democrats. So out of the 43,000 people ACORN registered, how many were nudged to register as Democrats? Not a huge number I suspect, but given their registration behavior, does anyone think they did not produce higher numbers of Democrats because of their advocacy? That was my only point and not that ACORN engaged in voter fraud.
On another matter more important matter, I clearly recall Obama responding to critics last summer by denying he ever said he would sit down with Ahmadinejad. He said "the leader of Iran" indicating one of the Mullahs Pundits talked about it for days because Obama had originally mentioned ahmadinejad. I brought it up here at the time and wonder what the game was. Under attack, Obama suggested then during his Daschle visit to Iowa, some basic pre-conditions and "talking to the leader of Iran", not Ahmadinejad.
So now Iran says no to talks over nuclear question. They'll get back to us on inspection. They won't talk about other secret facilities. Ahmadinejad denies the murder of 6 million Jews as something historians should first reach consensus over. He fires missiles including long range and suggests to Larry King that the US was behind the murder of Nada like we murdered another girl in our staging the attempted coup of Chavez.
So what might Obama do? Suspend sanctins for six weeks and sit down with Ahmadinejad?
http://slatest.slate.com/id/2231055/entry/2
Would it be wrong to say that Obama lied during the primary, or that he said one thing, changed his mind and now changes his mind back to his initial position?
P.S. Gitmo detainee killed fighting in Yemen and another detainee appears in new AQ video (see MEMRI BLOG). The numener of released detainees returning to fight for terrorists is rising as the January deadline on Gitmo approaches. I did say a year ago, there would be major problems. Instead of Gitmo has Obama rendered anyone to a third party?
Posted by: maxtrue
| September 30, 2009 9:53 PM
lol
Looks like all Gitmo is good for is traing AQ fighters.
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 10:02 PM
Max
Gitmo is still a bushco screwup. There is no good solution only different bad ones and the worst one is to keep doing it the Bushco way and behaving like some tin pot dictator by disappearing our enemies.
So far you've yet to give us a solution, you are just against what ever solution that may come from Obama.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 10:09 PM
InBev ended the Anheuser-Busch's 50-year tradition of handing out free beer samples on January 25th. Busch Gardens Tampa does have a full liquor licensee. I am sure Blackstone will get a great discount on InBev's products. What will happen to The Budweiser Clydesdales?
Posted by: Purple-in-Tampa
| September 30, 2009 10:11 PM
The court here was not very impressed with the republicans' million dollar election lawsuit on behalf of norman b coleman JUNIOR. I present below a reasonably accurate account of a crazy moment in the coleman/Franken legal wrangle :
The lead-off coleman citizen witness, presented by the moronic republican leader of team coleman, resented loudly that his absentee vote wasn't counted, and that he felt as if his citizenship was dimininshed as a result.
The Franken Atty asked the coleman witness why the signature on his absentee ballot and the signature on the ballot envelope were in 2 different hands.
The coleman supporter supposed that it was because he signed the envelope, but didn't sign the ballot.
FA : Who did sign the ballot ?
cw : My girlfriend. See, she was here, and I was in FL.
FA : Oh. So, who filled in the ballot ?
cw : My girlfriend.
FA : So, are you claiming that this is your ballot, or hers.
cw : You don't get it. My ballot wasn't counted.
His Honor : Maybe, that's because you didn't really vote. Counsel, are you through with this witness, yet ? I am.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 10:13 PM
"If you all don't think ACORN fudged at leaset 350 votes out of 48,000 registered to get Franken the win, I have a great property to sell you."
Max- How is one suppose to interpret what you are suggesting with that comment?
All voter drive org. have their biases. That's the biz they're in.
Just as some ACORN workers pushed people towards Dem registrations, as Pogo suggested, if the GOP was promoting a more favorable position then people would support them. Besides my father was a registered Dem but he told me he voted for the Republican on occasion.
Which reminds me. . Did I tell you my dad was an old Indian fighter . .. . and my mom was an old Indian LOL
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 30, 2009 10:19 PM
I noticed an assertion that a video was made of ACORN engaging in violations of election laws. I also noticed that the location of this affront to God and man was not named. The lack of place identification tells me that the video was not likely to come from MN, and thus has nothing to do with Franken, even if it is not a hoax.
I could be wrong, but I think it's a fair assumption.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 10:29 PM
"InBev ended the Anheuser-Busch's 50-year tradition of handing out free beer samples on January 25th"
What?
thats un american, damn furriners anyway.
On that sad note I'm going to bed.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 30, 2009 10:30 PM
New 6.8 quake down the coast from Padang -
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/100_-5.php
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| September 30, 2009 10:32 PM
So what did we decide here today? Do I get to keep my guns, or do I have to send them to Craig for disposal?
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:34 PM
Jax -
It's these guys that scare me -
Mysterious Private Security Firm Gets Control Of Empty Jail In Small Montana Town
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/american_police_force_hardin_montana.php?ref=fpblg
Posted by: Colorado Bob Author Profile Page | September 30, 2009 3:59 PM
I know somebody in the Montana state legislature. I am trying to see if he knows anything about this,it's my nieces brother in law, it's like starting a chain letter to get the query to him :) I would like to know what they are doing too. I know what they have offered to do.
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 10:34 PM
Here's a good article posted over at the Booman Tribune and the right wing nuts. Well worth taking a few minutes to read.
Its called The Pot is Boiling......
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2009/9/30/19025/5808
Now back too your regularly scheduled programing.
Off to finish catching up other sites and watching K.O. online.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| September 30, 2009 10:36 PM
Did I ever tell you about the time in 1990 when I caught the 'young' republican who tried make off with the ballot box from a polling place in St Paul's ghetto ?
I still don't know why I let him live. No jury would have convicted me.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 10:37 PM
Never allow an engineer to retire:
http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/player.swf?b=10&l=197&u=ILLUMllSOOAvIF//P_LxP92A42lCHCeeWCejXnHAS/c
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:37 PM
Mr. Bloggingham,
Send your guns to me. I'll make sure that you aren't forced by Constitutional Amendment against your will to bear arms and defend yourself. And, at no extra cost to yourself, I'll direct you to the Friends Meeting nearest Castle Bloggingham.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 10:45 PM
There are all kinds of earthquakes today in the Pacific area.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days
Posted by: Purple-in-Tampa
| September 30, 2009 10:47 PM
Jamie,
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263722
That was great! But it is 6 retired engineers. One He!! of a team.
Posted by: Purple-in-Tampa
| September 30, 2009 10:58 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263723
I don't have anything you'd want. I'd only trust Craig with that task, anyway. I'm also down with the Quakers already, but thanks.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 10:58 PM
Minnesota's Washington Senators lost to the Tigers 7 -2, decreasing their likelihood of making the playoffs.
The hapless Royals edged the hated NY Steinbrenners.
The hapless Washington Nationals whipped the Mets ?!? Must be a misprint.
The Cleveland Ethnic Insults beat Chicago's St Paul Saints.
Thy Pirates shivered thy Cubbies' timbers. Arrgh.
The Phillies beat the Astros.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 30, 2009 11:02 PM
I have no statistics to back it up, but I would surmise that gun-exchange (for cash or food or the like) programs are the best way to get as many as possible guns off the streets, especially in impoverished, crime-ridden communities.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 11:02 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263727
Repeat!
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 11:03 PM
Oh No he is on twitter too GRIN.
http://twitter.com/glennbeck
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 11:14 PM
From tonight's Daily Show host Jon Stewart, the Democrats super majority are people that will lose money switching to GEICO. (Paraphrased)
Posted by: Purple-in-Tampa
| September 30, 2009 11:14 PM
Feed back about the Hardin Montana Prison so far.
Mack Baucus. Denny Rebergh who tried to get prisoners into the prison.
My niece said, there was something on the front page of the Missoulian about it so I will take a look.
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 11:19 PM
I can't find it?
http://www.missoulian.com/
There is a neat story about Bearmouth my family settled near Bearmouth a place called Bonita.
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 11:23 PM
Well I found some Denny Rebergh stuff. I wonder if that is what she was talking about? It has nothing to do with the Hardin Prison though.
http://www.missoulian.com/news/local/article_410be56c-a950-11de-b45f-001cc4c002e0.html
Posted by: Ree
| September 30, 2009 11:25 PM
Countdown to Imus on TV: 103 hours.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 30, 2009 11:26 PM
Pissed about health reform? Make a difference here.. http://bit.ly/u92h6
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| September 30, 2009 11:35 PM
Good video. I have ZERO patience with hysteria. That's one, of many, things that I don't miss from the Bush/hysterical/duck we're gonna die administration.
It isn't black/African Americans that whitey needs to fear as the 'majority', It's hispanics, so the data says.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| October 1, 2009 12:29 AM
Purple, sad but true.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| October 1, 2009 12:31 AM
Glenn Beck sounds to me like the alcoholic/drug addict that he was and still is, as they're always that.
Here's his admission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtAPT9KEfM
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| October 1, 2009 12:36 AM
There have been some very odd earthquake patterns lately. There was a huge bump in the number in the California area and more in the central east around Tennessee and South Carolina. Not to mention the increase in the Gulf of Mexico.
I'm still amazed that the Hayward fault hasn't gone with all of the pressure being released in the south. That's got to be building up pressure in the Oakland area.
Add in the continued lack of solar spots and things get more strange and eerie. Which incidentally were the two people that didn't show up to my first calculus class. Tony Strange and Steven Eerie. True story.
If our pundits just keep getting more and more weird it just seems to be in fitting with the times.
Posted by: don1one
| October 1, 2009 1:13 AM
pitted prunes, golden raisins, or dates for a dried fruit snack?
I took the prunes.
And Craig, if Imus can get his lawyers to get out of the RFD-TV deal, can't your lawyer negotiate a deal with msnbc to allow you, say...two appearances a month with Imus on FBN and WABC?
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| October 1, 2009 1:24 AM
tonight in NW Ohio: Frost on the You-Know-What
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/3117822320_d6371eafb0_m.jpg
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| October 1, 2009 1:26 AM
My Favorite Insomnia Song
Midnight, one more night without sleeping,
Watching 'til the morning comes creeping.
Green door, what's that secret you're keeping ?
There's an old piano,
and they play it hot behind the green door.
Don't know what they're doing,
but they laugh a lot behind the green door.
Knock twice,
try to tell them I've been there.
Door slams;
Hospitality's in there.
Wonder just what's going on in there.
Posted by: xrepublican
| October 1, 2009 1:42 AM
So, does anyone know if that felonious skunk, and Iranian mole in the reagan White House, bud mcfarlane, has registered as a foreign agent yet ? Or is that dirty old turncoat bastard still pretending to be a American patriot ?
Okay. Since you insist on knowing my position on the roman polanski affair, I say that the guy could make a dynamite prison movie, if he only got some time to study the matter up close and personal.
D'ya suppose he could do time, bunking with mad old charlie manson ? That could be a real plus - give polanski a boning knife and let him take the other bunk. In no time at all, taxpayers would be able to save 2 meals a day, plus a donut & coffee. polanski could even film his revenge for his first blockbuster since Chinatown. The filleting of charlie would make a helluva scene, doncha think ? Yup, it'd be box office gold. And the best part is the Son of Sam Law, that would prevent polanski from profiting from his crime. The profit from ticket sales could go to nutcase research & finding a cure for pedophilia.
Okay, now ya know how I feel about it, so's ya can stop all the nagging.
G'night
Posted by: xrepublican
| October 1, 2009 2:06 AM
manson didn't "send" those killers......Tex Watson did it on his own in a bid to take the power from manson.....
i imagine that when manson found out about the murders he muttered to himself about what an idiot old Tex was.......
Posted by: sturgeone
| October 1, 2009 5:03 AM
Craig,
Congress.org is owned by Capitol Advantage which "Roll Call is pleased to announce the addition of Capitol Advantage and its suite of products to the Roll Call Group." Roll Call now has CQ.
"Congress.org is a project of the CQ-Roll Call Group, the largest news organization on Capitol Hill. Congress.org is powered by CQ-Roll Call affiliates Capitol Advantage and Knowlegis — private, nonpartisan companies that specialize in facilitating civic involvement."
You are being a good corporate citizen.
Posted by: Purple-in-Tampa
| October 1, 2009 7:29 AM
ivy - Hope you had a great time in Scotland. Agree on the image issue. My friends had an Aussie stay with them and he couldn't believe all of the guns they had, the gun shows, the concealed handgun law...and all of the cheese we put on everything.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| October 1, 2009 7:41 AM
How about our local representative Alan - Let me spew ignorance - Grayson.
A move to recall should soon be starting.
Sorry that we voted someone in that adds to the disfunction and problems. This will be corrected
Posted by: Ping Pong
| October 1, 2009 7:52 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/pentagon-journal-calls-fo_n_305478.html
Pentagon Journal Calls For Repeal Of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
"At some point, it would be nice if President Barack Obama would join this emerging vanguard of thought urging for the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" before it completely passes him by"
Posted by: tonyb39
| October 1, 2009 8:01 AM
Mornin'
Bob, this is for you mostly, but others will likely appreciate it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/science/earth/01epa.html?_r=1&hp
EPA moves to curtail greenhouse gasses - 'bout damn time.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:09 AM
tony, amen, bruddah. I can't wait for the homophobe backlash.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:12 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263750
ping......ha ha......good joke, lad.......
Posted by: sturgeone
| October 1, 2009 8:21 AM
Ping...
Do you mean spew ignorance like all the Republicans who accused Democrats of wanting to kill Grandma and Grandpa?
And Republicans who accused Democrats of Americans dying under any Democratic Health Care Reform Bill?
And Republicans who accused Democrats of having Death Panels or denying Republicans Health Care?
Maybe all those Republicans should apologize first before demanding that Alan Greyson apologize.
These are after all your Republican buddies Ping who have done everything they can to incite violence against President Obama and you know it.
How can you still defend them is beyond me since you yourself are not a bad guy.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| October 1, 2009 8:29 AM
Yes - AP.. We need to stop it
Posted by: Ping Pong
| October 1, 2009 8:30 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/opinion/01collins.html
Gail Collins is on a whimsy roll this morning. Even Pig should get a grin out of this somewhere.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:34 AM
And not to beat a dead horse to death, but I haven't forgot about Michele Bachman who has blood on her head and hands in the death of Bill Sparkman the part time Census Worker who was murdered.
Remember the information was going to be used to deny Republicans Health Care.
Ping, the day the Republicans start working instead of being the Party on No maybe than something will get done. Until then it will only get worse until America becomes the next Bagdad.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| October 1, 2009 8:39 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263750
Good luck on that recall petition - his rejoinder alone should be sufficient to defeat it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20091001/cm_thenation/1479341
"But to Americans who this week witnessed the revolting rejection by Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee of even mild reforms like the proposed "public option," the Florida congressman's words will sound like the sanest message coming not just from his side of the aisle but from all of official Washington."
Yup, good luck with that recall petition.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:43 AM
Sorry, Ping, just caught my typo. Not intentional. Deepest apologies.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:44 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263758
A-P, pigs will fly first.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:45 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263704
flatus, will this cause a problem with my mcafee security if downloaded? would think that they incorporated it and updated as soon as it came out.
Posted by: patd
| October 1, 2009 8:50 AM
Pat - I can tell you that duelling security suites can cause all sorts of annoyances in a computer - one or the other, but not both. You would need to deactivate McAfee, although that is what I use at home and nothing has gotten past it yet - just enable the auto update functionand McAfee should work fine for you.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 8:59 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263761
I'm afraid your right pogo.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| October 1, 2009 9:04 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263739
Tiptoe
He is a dry drunk who has substituted one addiction for another instead of getting to the bottom of why he was drinking in the first place. No real change, still crazy after all these years.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:06 AM
"duelling security suites can cause all sorts of annoyances in a computer"
pogo, unfortunately been there and done that one too many times. one unforgettable one was the security renewals battling themselves.
Posted by: patd
| October 1, 2009 9:10 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263749
Blue --
Thank you, yes we indeed had a magical trip to see Scottish castles and birds and such, and not even in a "touristy" spot. Could have stayed happily another month, or at least until it turns too cold.
It may not be guns, but learned at least one problem our respective cultures have in common..."young lads drive recklessly" and smash up their cars and their lives. There was a gruesome fresh accident-cleanup scene on a rural road that will stay in my head for a while. Still don't know if those boys survived, or how they might have.
I put some photos up at Carol's Southern Spice blog (listed on the TM blog roll)...castles, that is, not crash scenes,
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:11 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263762
patd
I kept both and they seem to be perking along together just fine so far. I didn't try to remove the McAfee during the mircorsoft download even though that message comes up. I'll let you know if anything hiccups.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:12 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263743
XR
Did you see the movie that took its title from the song? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Green_Door
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:15 AM
WH points out FOX lies
http://ow.ly/s74a
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:23 AM
Jamie -- youmentioned Beck being a dry drunk who substuted addictions....just made me understand who some of my Republican friends are Republicans. Many were drunks, and after AA they became wing nuts.
Posted by: Patsi
| October 1, 2009 9:24 AM
"The smallest act of kindness is worth more than the greatest intention." ~ Kahlil Gibran
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:25 AM
It has always been MY interpretation of of the second amendment that since there was NO standing army to protect the US of A the citizens of said US of A should be armed and ready to protect the US of A from take over by an unfriendly country. Since grocery stores were pretty well non-existent at that time the same guns could be used to provide protein for their families.
Posted by: yo soy Horsedooty!
| October 1, 2009 9:29 AM
Yeah, pat, me, too. Dell helped me through the shut down process for all but McAfee - and I needed the help I might add. (I can't believe I'm saying something positive about Dell's customer service - after having waited for literally hours to actually talk with them on more than one occasion). Those problems are common - google it and you'll get a bunch of hits. I think I had AVG and McAfee trying to run at the same time and reading each other as viruses or something like that - and the computer was not acting consistently, so it was very difficult to figure out. Anyway, after I disabled AVG, Mcafee took ove r and all has been well since.
I don't know why some of you (us) have a problem with Gl'eck.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/white-house-calls-out-fox_n_305428.html
LOL - idiot.
Can't open this here, but if it's what I saw last night - and I assume it is, it is perfect.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/stewart-destroys-dems-for_n_305948.html
It may be infotainment, but Stewart nails it on the healthcare debate and Dems' idiotic failure to do what needs to be done.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 9:30 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263711
Jack, I didn't know I needed to come up with a plan for Gitmo myself. One would think the Prsident would have a good one from the start. Like Afghanistan, he often makes bold, wonk-like declarations, only to later reveal how unthought out his plan was.
Okay. Based on the latest reports of how Gitmo was working and that Gitmo detainees are returning to terror when released. I would keep it open with better judicial review. I have no problem with the President reviewin the cases and putiing in better safeguards, but his "solution" was campaign fodder. If the solution is more third party renditions or running illegal combatants through the American courts, ti is bad policy. While we are on the subject of original intent...lol, spies were shot. I can only speculate on what Washingtom would have done to terrorists, though I am sure he would distinguish between "suspects" and terrorists. I suppose he would have a military court decide the merits of a particular case based on the field reports of how a particular person was captured.
Moving to Afghanistan, some media outlets are already connecting McChrystal to the Tilman death. Stewart dealt with this last night. Gates and Obama picked McChrystal, but the Democratic/Media pre-emption of his credibility is already underway as Democrats know what his report will request.
On Healthcare and ACORN:
So far, Democrats have rejected photo ID for verification of healthcare applications and are not likely to vote for Congress having to buy their healthcare the way we do, giving Rangel the boot. After eight years of Bush, will one person here blast the sordidness of what is going on regarding Jarret? The Daley connection is fact as is the poor housing she ran in Chicago, the very housing that will be worth much more should Obama win Chicago the Olympics. While the administration says she will not profit, just look at the history, These poor people were given crap housing and will be kicked out should the Olympics come. Rezko and Jarret have strong links to Obama and their housing projects are sad. Why not use the same crony outrage used on Bush to shine the light on the same crap? Gee, let me guess why not.
I think my reply regarding ACORN should be obvious. What has always bothered me is that pro-GOP groups like some churches etc, or pro-Democratic groups like ACORN should not be able to pretend they simply register voters. Only the brain dead would fail to see ACORN was proud they could convince people to register as Democrats. Out of the 43,000 they registered in Minn (and yes, they registered dead people which was caught and shows "intent"), it is reasonable to assume they won over at least 400 votes. They was my only point. Registration, watch dog groups, regulators should be non-partisan. The CBO and other groups like the FDA and the EPA should be non partisan. That is my big beef and it has NOTHING to do with partisan politics which ACORN is in neck deep. Franken himself thanked ACORN. FOr what? Their non-partisan help? Some at ACORN even took credit for Franken's victory, so I find Rex's comment rather pointless. I never denied Jamie's claim that ACORN was not accused of voter fraud.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 9:32 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263766
In 25-years of home computing, I've never had a virus make it on to my systems. Normal caveats apply as to future occurrences :)
IMO opinion the new MSFT product is credible and makes the use of other products unnecessary. It's been my experience that having multiple active (vs passive) anti-virus software on one computer is redundant, at best, and crippling, at worst.
I have installed the new, free, MSFT product on my Windows 7 netbook which is running the version of Win 7 that will be released later this month; they coexist happily.
Posted by: Flatus
| October 1, 2009 9:37 AM
Max...
If you were innocent before arriving at Gitmo and was tortured for five to seven years I guess you too would be fighting against us if you were finally released.
We have made more terrorists by using torture against innocent people and the killing of civilians {think Blackwater now known as Ze} if we had followed the Law.
But the Bush\Cheney War Criminals did more to endanger our National Security then anything President Obama could ever do.
So yes, a few innocent victims of the Bush\Cheney War Crimes Family will turn to terrorism because of what we did to them. If they weren't terrorist before we got them we made them terrorists now.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| October 1, 2009 9:43 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263774
I had Norton 360 with all the extras NewPogo. Last year my computer ran for months with some kind of trojan Norton failed to detect until last Feb when my computer crashed taking everything but files on outlook which seem immune. I canceled my contract and got AVG which I have had no problem with so far. Norton had the nerve to 1. fail to give me credit for old software I had upgraded to 360 with a half a year to go, 2. continued to charge me for 360 renewal using my credit card on file with no approval. They did correct the error after heated phone calls.
We just got a Mac Notebook and boy is that great. My next desktop will be an Apple though you don't get quite as much power for the buck. Apple doesn't even need security protection. TV makers say the wave of the future will be TV computers though I wonder what system they will run on.
I will avoid comments regarding Dell. Some very bad comments and some good ones.....
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 9:46 AM
Flatus...
In all respect I differ with you about Microsoft. Microsoft had the NSA working on their operating systems with regards to its security.
Since the NSA is a spy organization would you really trust Microsoft or them {the NSA} not to put back door entrances into the operating system so they can access ones computer whenever they want to?
I for one do not.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| October 1, 2009 9:50 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263778
Once again Anon I refuse to do your homework. Several detainees released went back to do exactly what we suspected they would do. Your explanation is bullshit as Uhgers wanted prison rather than going back to China. Support your claim that the detainees I listed were turned into terrorists. The record shows they returned to their inclination and former behavior, but that fact does not fit your slanted view. One was just killed in Yemen trying to terrorize their government. He simply changed theater and DID NOT ATTCK the US. Most detainees returning to terror DO NOT ATTCK the US directly. SO there goes your smart theory. The Saudis failed to reform several detainees who escaped and now are working with AQ to topple the Saudi regime. Recent video of AQ shows another detainee. Other detainnes include a bomber who killed eight in Iraq (not US forces) and another now deputy of AQ operations in Afghanistan. As I said, do your homework before spouting.
My comments include sufficient judicial review of indctments, but SCOTUS has ruled several times on the basic Constitutional right of the adminsitration, this and the former. There are ways to reform the system rather than accept your extreme rejections.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 9:55 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263780
Yes the NSA is evil. I can't for the life of me, Anon, understand why you live in America. Maybe too much Swift as a young child.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 9:57 AM
Oh Sturg.. No joking.. The thought of recall of Grayson may be talk now but the airways from most directions in this area have no respect for Grayson.
I think he only wants to be a one termer... Maybe we can help make him a half term as he seems to be a half wit
Posted by: Ping Pong
| October 1, 2009 10:08 AM
The problems with Gitmo and the approach we took to apprehend, detain and try (well, the first two) suspected terrorists and/or enemies of the US are legion. No matter that there was little or no vetting of the initial arrests and capture by paid bounty hunters who we knew nothing about, no matter that we held hundreds of men without charges or sufficient facts to support bringing any charges, then released them after years of captivity, no matter that in many cases we created impossible situations for those detainees who may have wished to return to their homes and families. And no matter that what we did violated the very conventions we signed and used to prosecute and execute enemies who had done the same more or less to our soldiers in WWII. What is at the heart of the problem with Gitmo and the Bush cabal's approach to the detainees there is that the methods we used and procedures we employed run counter to any notion of fundamental fairness upon which both our civil and military legal systems are based upon.
There is some truth in Max's noting that some detainees have joined our enemies after their release - which justifies nothing that we did. There was insufficient evidence to detain or try them, so their subsequent behavior proves nothing. And there is some truth to AP's suggestions in his 9:43 post. The damn sham eis that for the past 8 years we have forgotten that we aren't the kind of people who refuse to respect basic human rights and the rule of law, and the world knows that we can and do ignore those things when we want to.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:09 AM
Max, I haven't had any experience with Norton in over 10 years. They were the early leader in security stuff, but the last time I looked into actually buying security software, they were among the most expensive, and did not rate as well as some of the cheaper ones. I was happy enough with AVG and am happy enough with McAfee, which I only started using because I got a free year's worth with one of our computers and it was easy enough to renew it online when the trial period ran out.
I laugh (foolishly I imagine) about computer secrurity - Mrs. P is scared to death to buy things online and provide her CC number to do so, sure that her info will be intercepted andher identity stolen. I do that stuff all the time - but I also use PayPal when I can, keep my security software up to date, and don't buy from sites that strike me as questionable - really, can I trust a site that claims to be selling a Les Paul for $250? I think not. She has been a victim of identitiy theft, credit card fraud and the like on 3 occasions. I never have (knock on wood).
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:18 AM
Finance Committee at each others throats again on CSPAN 3
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:20 AM
"The record shows they returned to their inclination and former behavior" Sorry, Max, the record shows no shuch thing. If it did, they would have been charged and subsequently convicted if the evidence was clear enough. Suspicion of terrorist activity is not the same as evidence of it. That is the disconnect.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:23 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263771
Patsi
The AA program just helps alcoholics stop drinking. In many ways those 12 steps are very regimented. It is replacing one addiction with another. Now how much farther the drinker goes towards a real "cure" is up to them. Many never go that extra many miles, they just find another addiction to keep them from drinking and the more rigid the demands or belief system the better. The extremes of political thought fit that solution very, very well.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:24 AM
We've had pretty good luck with Dell, but then we only have Gateway and HP to compare to. Of the 3 we had the best luck with our HP box, but when it came time to replace it Dell had much better specs and features for the same price. With the exception of the duelling virus program issues, I don't think we've had any trouble with our Dell boxes. And when the antiviur program that is on the Netbook we got expires, I'm going to think about following Flatus' lead although I hate MS on principle. And I have heard very good things about the Apple products - most people who have them just won't shut up about how great they are..
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:31 AM
New Pogo, I agree with the fact that Bush failed to set up a system that was reasonable. cloaking Gitmo in a partisan shroud that was counterproductive. This was stupid and you all would laugh were you to see my rant before 2004 (which would include my anger over the lack of phase IV planning in Iraq).
This entire Gitmo Fiasco could have been avoided by bringing in the Democratic centrists at the time and resolving to lead our national security in a bipartisan manner. Rove would have none of this. Those Democratic centrists called for REFORM, but after Bush failed to listen, this cry became more extreme. I suspect that if you were in charge, you would have approciated we were dealing with SUSPECTED illegal combatants (normally funneled by both Parties to third party torture) and arranged a system that had proper judicial review. My objection to Obama's approach was that plan should come first and then declarations. His behavior shows exactly the campaign mode, inexperianced, confusing style I suspected last summer.
I am strongly opposed to any serious inability of innocent people not having an opportunity to have their situation reviewed by independent watch dogs that are really Independent and non partisan. Such watch dogs must have security clearence and know how to keep secrets. The failure of us not creating more honestly non partisan regulators is one reason why we go in an endless and self-destructive circle.
In reply to orginal intent, I never suggested that that alone, or "mind-reading" trumps the more traditional means by which we apply the Constitution and I am sensitive to the claim conservatives would love to base law on what they think our dead founders thought. Obviously many of them could live with slavery including Madison who certainly did not advocate Blacks had a right to guns. In fact as some gun advocates point out, early gun control sought to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and were racist regulations, something the Black Panthers reminded Americans about.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 10:37 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/30/eveningnews/main5199148.shtml
This is the highest estimate of terror recidivism I've seen from the Pentagon report released earlier this year. Most analyses report that 14% are either confirmed or suspected of have in "returned" to terrorist activiites. the key chink in the report is the "suspected" part. What a load of ass covering crap. And if the reports of those who were released are acurate, it supports my argument about who incompetent our Gitmo venture has been.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:44 AM
"yes, they registered dead people which was caught and shows "intent"), "
Max
Both the Republican groups and Democratic groups pay people to get others to register or sign petitions. This is seldom more that a "per signature" or minimum wage. For that reason there is often chicanery of one kind or another going on by the people doing these jobs. For this reason, there is ALWAYS a review of petitions and registrations to either count legal petitions or entry of registrations in the system.
This doesn't automatically prove "intent" only mistakes in hiring.
Now if you arrange for someone to pretend to be someone else in order for the dead to vote, you have fraud. There has been no such claim against ACORN.
Now about the billions in fraud given to government contractors courtesy of Bush/Cheney. Now that is money worth talking about.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:45 AM
Mitten-weather in NYC can't come soon enough.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 10:52 AM
When it was Liberals bashing Bush, it was reported as thought provoking, enlighten dialog, meaningful dispute, challenging government, expressing one's rights, blah, blah, blah. When Conservatives do it, it is portrayed as mean spirited, mob action, anti-American, hate speech.
What the Left really hate about Beck is he is not intimidated by them or their goons tactics, plus he as helped nailed a major Liberal function, ACORN, to the wall and exposed them for what they are. Not to mention Beck's little 5 PM show trounces MSNBC's "Prime Time" major line-ups. Angry man? Damn right he is angry, and so are tens of millions of Americans. Better get use to it, as there is much more to come.
Posted by: TruthinReality
| October 1, 2009 11:02 AM
Oh, god - a rare moment of candor in the Senate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/gop-opposition-to-health_n_305582.html
OK, strip out their amendments, put the public option back in with no trigger, screw the Blue dogs and pass it through reconciliation.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:06 AM
" Apple products - most people who have them just won't shut up about how great they are.. "
Apple may be a giant evil company like all the rest, but at least they give you flowers and a wet kiss before they screw you.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| October 1, 2009 11:09 AM
I've been building my own computer systems from components for almost 20-years. Generally, I'm totally satisfied with the end product. If I'm not, I make the necessary changes myself.
Other than netbooks (I won't buy any more notebooks), I will never buy a factory or store built system again.
And, yes, I save money in the process because I'm an expert shopper when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Posted by: Flatus
| October 1, 2009 11:09 AM
Well, there's criticism, and then there's criticism. ACORN is a much bigger deal to the Becks of the world than it is to Dems - Beck's problem is that the truth is of no concern to him and that his lies are thought suppressing rather than thought provoking. His concern with ACORN isno that it was registering dead people, but rather that it was registering live Democrats. And those tens of millions of angry Beckites weren't able to prevent the object of Beck's scorn from being elected president by actual, live voters whether Fox beats MSNBC or not.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:15 AM
Thought for the day :
" It`s clever, but is it art? "
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| October 1, 2009 11:16 AM
Just out of curiosity Flatus, what would it cost you to build a fast computer with a big hard drive and all the features (CD/DVD/RW drive and the like? Just a ballpark figure will be fine. It's been so long since I've tried to build anything - and even then I just picked and chose opetions - I have no frame of reference.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:20 AM
Naw, DL, I bike everywhere, enjoy the skirts so I miss the non-mitten weather. I do understand your joy at spending time under the sheets.
Jamie I believe there were more than 2000 dead people registered in Minn that were caught. I understand what you are saying but the effort to get registered voters to vote Democratic was clearly an goal by ACORN. I reject the idea that voter registration drives should be conducted in such partisan ways and I would like government to do this. I would also like to see campaign funding caps. Because of terrible transparency with ACORN, the money they circulate nationally and their dubious sub contractors, make them fundementally a Democratic merc rather than the "helping poor people" community service group thay spin. Their low paid workers certainly had an impact in helping Franken who now votes to defund the very group that handed him the votes to win. And its not that I think Franken has conducted himself worse than Rangel, Buress, Spitzer or other Democratic notables. In fact, he has conducted himself far better than that.
Now you all are going to point to Beck making Obama's sales pitch for Chicago a partisan affair. I have never seen a President lobby as such with Michelle and her former boss Jarret participating in the sell too. Given the clean and honest road Obama promised to walk, his continued connections, efforts including attempted and successful rewards to supporters and inclusion of lobbyists do not speak well of that declaration. Yes Bush did this too, but it doesn't make it right. Rezko and Jarret have a long housing connection to Obama. Let's pray such results in Chicago are not repeated nationally. That Democrats don't see the irony here expecially the blacks who suffer seems to indicate partisan blinders......Even Moore has jumped on this bandwagon.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 11:22 AM
1920 Walter Matthau NYC, actor (Odd Couple, Bad News Bears)
1921 James Whitmore White Plains NY, actor (Give 'em Hell Harry)
1924 Jimmy Earl Carter (D) 39th Pres (1977-1981)
1924 William Rehnquist Ws, Supreme Court (1972-86)/chief justice (1987- 2007)
1927 Tom Bosley Chicago, actor (Howard-Happy Days, Murder She Wrote)
1928 George Peppard Detroit Mich, actor (Banacek, A-Team, Blue Max)
1928 Laurence Harvey actor (Alamo, Romeo & Juliet)
1930 Richard Harris actor (A Man Called Horse), singer (MacArthur Park)
1935 Julie Andrews England, actress/singer (Sound of Music, Mary Poppins)
331 -BC- Alexander the Great of Macedon defeats Persian army at Gaugamela
1661 Yachting begins in England; King Charles II beats his brother James
1791 1st session of the new French legislative assembly
1800 Spain cedes Louisiana to France in a secret treaty
1837 "Racer's" Hurricane (Gulf of Mexico)
1890 Yosemite National Park established
1893 3rd worst hurricane in US history kills 1,800 (Mississippi)
1898 Jews are expelled from Kiev Russia
1903 1st baseball World Series, Pitts Pirates vs Boston Pilgrims (Red Sox)
1908 Henry Ford introduces the Model T car (costs $825)
1936 Gen Francisco Franco establishes the state of Spain
1937 Pullman Co formally recognizes Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters
1938 Germany annexes Sudetenland (1/3 of Czechoslovakia)
1939 Winston Chruchill refers to Soviet policy as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma"
1940 Pennsylvania Turnpike, pioneer toll thruway, opens
1942 Bell P-59 Airacomet fighter, 1st US jet, makes maiden flight
1943 Allied forces captured Naples during WW II
1948 Calif Supreme Court voids state statute banning interracial marriages
1949 People's Republic of China proclaimed by Mao Tse-tung (National Day)
1949 Republic of China (Taiwan) forms on the island of Formosa
1955 "Honeymooners" premieres
1957 B-52 bombers begin full-time flying alert in case of USSR attack
1961 Roger Maris sets record of 61 HRs, last off of Tracy Stallard
1962 Barbra Streisand signs her 1st recording contract (with Columbia)
1962 Brian Epstein signs a contract to manage the Beatles through 1977
1962 James Meredith became 1st black at U of Mississippi
1962 Johnny Carson hosts his 1st Tonight Show, Joan Crawford guests
1971 Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida opens
1979 US returns Canal Zone to Panama after 75 years (but not the canal)
1989 Thousands of East Germans flee to West Germany
1989 US issues a stamp, labeling an apatosaurus as a brontosaurus
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| October 1, 2009 11:29 AM
I'm sure Acorn was at times and in places out of control and they should be held accountable for their transgressions.
But I've also seen, first hand, voter intimidation and voter suppression on a scale that certainly affected outcomes in the South. It still exists, and was totally ignored by the Bush II Justice Department. It certainly affected the Florida vote in 2000 (along with many other factors including vote-counting.)
Posted by: cajunjoe.pip.verisignlabs.com
| October 1, 2009 11:29 AM
Afghanistan ... McChrystal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/asia/02general.html?hp
Lot of folks making decisions it seems.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:30 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263791
There have been more detainees returning to violence since that report NP. I have noted more than ten here in the last month. You are right about pressure pushing Bush to release some of these terrorists, but Obama has released more (200 more planned to be released) and some are relased because in American courts the government is not willing to show classified intelligence. It is a bit more complicated as you imply. I have serious problems with both adminsitrations.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 11:31 AM
Around $400, Pogo. Depending on the operating system, it might be a little more.
The one I'm getting ready to make will have a quad AMD processor with a decent mother board and 8-gig of memory and a terrabyte drive and win 7 Prof (64-bit version) and a gigabit lan card.
The power supply will be quite large and the CPU will have an aftermarket fan that will move lots of air.
I have everything now except the energy to put it all together. It will probably take me six hours including time for installing the operating system.
Total cost for this kick-ass system? About $700 including boxed software.
Posted by: Flatus
| October 1, 2009 11:32 AM
Bob, I posted that girl with the AK days ago. I said BRAVO I think. Now there is a place the right to bare arms is certainly required. And that girl would look far sexier with bare arms........
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 11:34 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263806
Wish I could do this too Flatus, but you will need security, yes? That is an advantage with an Apple.
Also, how about the cost of all the software that usualy comes with a Dell, or the service agreements. My HP monitor was rather expensive. Does your system cost include that? Still, nice power and great price. Maybe if I pay you and include shipping, you might build one for me when I'm ready.......
Now that will make it more expensive.........
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 11:38 AM
1939 Winston Churchill refers to Soviet policy as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma"
Some things never change
Remember, the appeasement we saw eighty years ago led to WW2. Let's hope we don't repeat that mistake.
Posted by: maxtrue
| October 1, 2009 11:41 AM
Milbank is on a roll.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093004376.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:42 AM
Super typhoon Parma -
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
138 mph to 165 mph.
http://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/warnings/wp1909.gif
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| October 1, 2009 11:42 AM
Soon to be Super Typhoon Melor -
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT
http://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/warnings/wp2009web.txt
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| October 1, 2009 11:50 AM
Good morning Jamie,
No I never saw the movie about the Green Door. I once saw one about the Golden Gate. Similar ?
max, once again, does the video allege that dead people were registered in MN ? Since you don't say so, I am supposing that it has zilch to do with Franken. To my knowledge, the courts' extensive searches uncovered only a few instances of voter fraud in the coleman/Franken race, except for the one I cited in my 10:13 pm post, they did not involve conspiracy.
Posted by: xrepublican
| October 1, 2009 11:54 AM
You guys are slow. I nabbed the first post on the new thread... again. Too easy. No woo hoo.
Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:55 AM
Damn, flatus - that's a lot of computer for not a lot of money.
For comparison, here's what Dell has that sort of approaches that - for $1K with a 20" monitor. Bumping the HD to 1Tb and the memory to 8 G adds $300. The monitor is worth $160. It has a 2 yr on site warranty in that price.
http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/desktops/desktop-studio-xps-9000/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-studio-xps-9000&s=bsd&cs=04&~oid=us~en~4~desktop-studio-xps-45-anav3~~
I'm not pitching Dell - their site is just easy to get to and use.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 11:56 AM
Flatus -
Nice ....
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| October 1, 2009 12:00 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/09/glenn-becks-angry-man-formula.html#comment-263788
Yes -- and I didn't really mean to trash AA....the organization does good -- but sure seems like a lot of ex-drunks can't live without an obsession.
Posted by: Patsi
| October 1, 2009 12:07 PM
Recovery is "whatever it takes" to halt the physical progression of an always-fatal disease.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| October 1, 2009 12:33 PM
Pogo, the problem with the Dells and HPs of the world is that they all use proprietary components; something I absolutely refuse to buy into.
I've seen monitors from reputable manufacturers for around $130 for a 22-incher.
Max, only reluctantly do I build systems for people in the family--I just don't want to hold their hands every time they forget where the power switch is. And, if I use system-builders' software, the support burden falls to me.
I suppose it's something like me asking Sturg to build new cabinets for me if I furnish the wood and all the fasteners. Shouldn't cost more than a case of beer, right?
Posted by: Flatus
| October 1, 2009 12:39 PM
New Thread
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| October 2, 2009 12:11 AM
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