Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Wow! People didn't try to hide their racist BS on that Politico page, huh, C-Bob???? Whatta bunch of a-holes!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/health-debate-lies-and-halftru.html#comment-254339

Repost - worth reading. Snicker.

Pogo...
I heard a whole hour about Iraq and Afghanistan on the Diane Rehm Show yesterday. And our host magazine, The Economist, has it's lead story about the war in Afghanistan this week.

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=14258750

Renee, don't take me quite so literally. Even Brian Williams mentioned Afghanistan last night, but the coverage is pathetically sparse considerinthat it's a war and all.

Craig, now you're just trying to cheer me up, right? ;-)

hey all, when continuing a conversation from an old thread, please link to what you're talking about in the new thread so we don't have to fire up the search engines to figure it out.

to link to the individual url for any previous comment, right-click the date stamp and copy/past the address

he's going to be at the school at 9. am going down now to see if i can ask for an executive order in person!

Now, markets cultivate farmers
Competition high for local produce

In Massachusetts, the markets are hustling to find the farmers. Spurred by the growing demand for fresh, locally grown produce, the number of markets in the state shot up from 88 in 2002 to 199 at the beginning of this month.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/25/markets_compete_for_farmers_in_bay_state_as_demand_grows/

BAD GIRL, PATSI. ;-)

Bob, that Boston.com article is agood complement to the Time article about our unsustainable food supply I mentioned in the last thread.

Craig:

We'll see if Obama can beat the torture rap. That will be interesting to watch - who will be hurt worse by this investigation - Obama or Cheney.

Roy Orbison- Claudette

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjTT-lNKBXw

"BAD GIRL, PATSI. ;-)"

Oh okay...if you want to get picky. But C-Bob knew what a-holes I was talking about.... :)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/health-debate-lies-and-halftru.html#comment-254323

Revised CIA interrogation guidelines. (What interrogators are now allowed to say to detainees.)

"I'm going feed your children ice cream until they become obese."

"By the way, those shoes don't go with that outfit."

" I'm going to take your mother to lunch and make her pick up the check."

"The TV in your cell does not get ESPN."

"You see this power drill? I'm going to hang bookshelves for you, without using a level."

The Guess Who- Shakin' All Over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqnibJckyg

Patsi, just kidding of course. I knew, too. I guess our host was just trying to protect those who hadn't read the last of the prior thread. Craig, have a cuppa - and try the decaf. :-)

If we must do fast food, I'll have a whopper, "hold the mayo, please."

Ha, it's like walking into a room at a party and the group makes no effort to include you in the conversation.

Nash, ever consider becoming a political satirist? You could get your own blog and make a name for yourself and maybe even get the chance to write for HuffPo. You've got the mind for it, my friend.

so did the Health Care Bill get signed while I was asleep? I wake up and this Republican woman from Tenn is talking to Morning Load. Joe then asks if she supports this bill. Natch she says no. She suggests the Congress support the RNC bill or any number of RW bills. Do these even exist? To quote one of colleagues in the House, "What planet does she live on?"

What's the point of taking prisoners if you can't do a meaningful interrogation without fear of a star-chamber prosecution?

Ah, Flatus, the fast food choices are vast - I just wish they were appealing.

Walmart near Civil War's Wilderness Battlefield wins final approval in central Virginia

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/08/officials_ok_walmart_near_battlefield.php?ref=fpa

Craig ,
We're multitasking.

Pogo -
Nash & Mustard, I've been pushing it for years.

newpogo: Thanks. Having my own blog would be too much work. I'm not a satirist. (But my 6th grade teacher once called me a "smart ass.")

Nash & Mustard ............ Have a big bite.

"it's like walking into a room at a party and the group makes no effort to include you in the conversation."

craig, or quickly changes the subject with knowing looks and nods your way...

here's the cite. good clear pix of sea's goodies.
btw, familiar ring about the 4:55 comment, anyone we know/knew? tried 3 times to report abuse on its addled hominey and to defend jamie's honor, but wasn't successful.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0809/Marthas_Vineyard_an_Obama_Candyland.html#comments

http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Michele_Bachmann

heheheh.

pogo:

Nash already has a job right here on this blog. I don't know how being placed amongst all the crap over on HuffPo would make him anymore relevant or official.

Nash -

" ....... would be too much work "

Spoken like a true commie.

"What's the point of taking prisoners if you can't do a meaningful interrogation without fear of a star-chamber prosecution?"

Hey Flatus - we can increase our ranking in some report entitled "Which Nations Treat Their Prisoners the Best".

And I have no problem with psychological threats. Although this investigation will likely decrease our ability to use them and severely diminish the effectiveness of such tactics.

Nash, you are a satirist - if your 8:58 comment isn't satire, I'm not sure what to call it. I think being a smart ass is one of the threshold requirements - that and being able to read and write. Bob, I like the title.

is the "report abuse" option on politico's comments merely window dressing? kind of a placebo exercise to give the offended a way to let off steam without taking up space? after the third attempt, my wrath and harrumps and tsks just dwindled to mutters, grumbles and wimpers.

warren (that was tongue in cheek).

warren: I have posted comments on HuffPo but there's thousands of people there. It's like being lost in a crowd. Craig's blog is more like a village (full of eccentric characters.)

c-Bob: That's why Marxism failed. Without capitalist greed one has no ambition.

Ha .......... my friends in Santa Fe sent me a clip of a deerskin top I made for them 25 years ago.
I had forgotten about this one.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254368

I was taken aback to read such ugly and blatant racist comments posted on a major blog site. My one-and-only visit there.

Nash -
I found that out after I got to the commune.

My first commune had a swimming pool.

pat, why not just post a snide comment - I just did - of course it hasn't posted to the site yet, but I got a message that the comment was successfully posted, so I'll just travel hopefully.

wonder if wimpers & whimpers = winers & whiners

Craig,
My understanding is that the independent prosecutor will confine his investigation to how guidelines were carried out, i.e. did the agents exceed the authorities given. He will not investigate the merits and legality of the guidelines developed.

That's my early reading, but I could be mistaken.

Pogo -
We should write a Wiki Novel. Wonder if it would make any sense at the end ?

cajunjoe -- and what if they say they were ordered to exceed the gudelines?

90,000 deaths in the swine flu? Health care's real scare.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8403214

Politico .......... Where political thinking goes to retire.

It posted.

Saw the motorcade coming and going. Holy moly what an impressive array of fire power. One of the suburans was full of guns. Then there is another van, one can only imagine whats in there. I saw him wave on the way out. Then Bernacke followed the motorcade- in a regular car. We were all surprised by that. Åm trying to load pictures now.

and the swine flu may do the necessary weeding for the new rationed health care.

We could Bob, but that DOES sound like work.. Perhaps we could enlist a little help from someone who knows how to write more than a couple of paragraphs. Oh, Patsi...

Cbob,

And you handiwork will be become a family heirloom one day, "this was something my crazy ggf picked up during his travels west years ago". Only to be sold to a museum for a hundred fold of what you got. :-)

Craig.
Good question.
cj

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254383

and remember how Ken Starr's whitewater portfolio morphed into investigating sex in the white house?

when compared to the over 40,000 a year, year after year, killed in car accidents, and 440,000 deaths caused by smoking*....30,000 for h1n1 doesn't seem so much.

http://onespot.wsj.com/health/2009/08/25/a/480105673-u-s-report-predicts-30-000-to/

*http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/s/smoking/deaths.htm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254364
LOL

Cheney is in no danger. Obama has already signaled that everyone in the Bush administration gets a free pass, no matter what crimes they committed. This "investigation" is just for show. It will drag on for months/years and the result will be zero indictments.

Except for a few ACLU types, most U.S. voters don't really care if a few Muslims got roughed up a bit.

Torture in the U.S. has been OK ever since the release of the movie "Dirty Harry." In 1971, it was "controversial," but If you watch it today, it seems rather tame.

"Can Cheney Beat Torture Rap"

if "torture rap" is the name of a dead horse, cheney will certainly beat it.

Hey, who you callin' an ACLU type? Oh, that reminds me, I need to renew.

C-Bob: I tried to join a commune once but couldn't meet the rigorous admissions standards.

Rez -

Chocolate deerskin & Magpie feathers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr744kREhU0

Craig,
Of course such a morphing is possible. But Clinton's 'crime' was lying under oath. First you would have to get Chaney under oath on the specific charges involved, I should think.
In the end, while Nash somewhat overstates it, I think he is right. The Administration has no stomach for indicting elected or Cabinet level officials for whatever they did in carrying out what they saw as their responsibilities for 'national security.'

And to think that Mrs. P doesn't want to go to Mexico this year because of the swine flu threat there. Why travel when we can get it at home? Well, at least we'll save the airfare.

Nash -
I only got in because I had a government voucher.

and remember how Ken Starr's whitewater portfolio morphed into investigating sex in the white house?

Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 9:37 AM

Yes, and Good Morning.

When the Lewinsky thing came up, I always thought that's not my problem, he isn't my husband. Why did we have to hear about it ad nauseum in the news? That's Hillary's problem, not the nations.

patd: Maybe Cheney will release a hip-hop CD called "Torture Rap."

Pogo -
How about Nantucket ?
You can buy some candy.

cbob, beautiful work. you're a leonardo in leather.

our governor in cuba

http://www.newsobserver.com/2188/story/1660244.html

"Obama has already signaled that everyone in the Bush administration gets a free pass -- Nash 2.0"

that's what just changed, Nash, with AG planning to appt a special prosecutor. now there's a mechanism in place to cancel that pass while WH keeps its distance

joe, Clinton's "crime" was not a crime. He was held in contempt of court, not prosecuted for false swearing in a civil deposition, perjury or anything else. He did agree to pay AK state Bar $20,000 and have his law license suspended for 5 years to avoid a federal perjury prosecution, but he was never convicted of any crime. But you know that.

bw, that richardson trip to cuba sounds like the beginning of something big to announce.

hey, barkeep, cuba libres all around, on the house. and senate. (bet sos pays the tab)

pogo

my post was also!!

Cbob, Like the medallions. Nice

Windmill With A Twist Can Provide Fresh Water From Seawater Directly

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080229102053.htm

Oh, and all you have to do to get Cheney under oath is sue him and take his deposition - as long as the suit has anything to do with anything related to his role in ordering torture, it would be relevant enough to ask about. Of course that sociopath would probably admit it proudly. Coming up with some basis for a suit that isn't precluded by the qualified privilege he enjoys for actions performed in the course of his position as VP is the trick.

Bob, not a bad idea - Mrs. P hasn't seen the NE coast - of course I can think of better times to do that than the last week of November, but it's not completely out of the question. And by then I should have my girlish figure back and be back to eating all the good stuff, like fudge.

uh, oh, warren, I hope our respective insurances cover surgical removal of tongues in cheeks.

Sad thing about leather ......... It hangs around, so when you get old and fat nothing fits.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254351

What bothers me is the huge numbers of people who still believe that all these acts were justified to keep the country safe. It's a blood thirsty desire for revenge rather than what actually works. I still remember even Shepard Smith yelling, "The United STates does not torture!!" and yet these people with blood lust want us to do just that.

Now they have gone where they belong with the instructions. The Army Field Manual. When all this torture nonsense came out, my son was shocked because his training and practice for the 20 years he was in was the manual because it protected the prisoners and the men in the field who had to deal with them.

So for anyone who thinks this is some sort of liberal plot to weaken the US, try to remember our reputation world wide depends on others actually believing:

The United States Does Not Torture.

los angeles should look at those salt-to-fresh water windmills. a twofer, blow water in and hot air out.

Cbob,
Speaking of wind. . saw a craigslist posting for a free used treadmill. The guy noted and posted a youtube that said these treadmill motors are perfect for re-purposing in a small home wind turbine DIYer

Speaking of fat and sad.

Obese People Have 'Severe Brain Degeneration'

A new study finds obese people have 8 percent less brain tissue than normal-weight individuals. Their brains look 16 years older than the brains of lean individuals, researchers said today.

http://www.livescience.com/health/090825-obese-brain.html

craig: re: no free pass.

You're probably right. I'm being too cynical and you understand D.C. 1,000 times better than the rest of us.

It's going be nice to have the GOP on the defensive for a while.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254376

Nash,

You have to respect the folks who wander, get a welcome, and stay Conversing with this crowd can be addictive.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254403

Hank weren't tellin' me no lies.

Magpies got all-but-wiped-out in Colorado due to West Nile. I saw two or three this month on the Air Force Academy grounds, but that was it. They used to be "eyesores," but now they're a sight for sore eyes.

http://www2.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-billed_Magpie/lifehistory

Specter is on FOX talking about the "End of Life" counseling booklet. What a complete tool. If the people don't throw him out of office, they are crazy.

Megyn is all in a dither about telling Veterans to die.

Barf Barf Barf

jamie, but of course you mean believing the US does not torture because the US does not conduct interrogations that would be considered torture under any reasonable definition of the word. I suspect Shep Smith was applying the Gonzales definition as Bush did when he said the US does not torture - and that definition of course was well outside any reasonable definition of torture that could be used with a straight face in a civilized country.

I for one am glad to see Holder reopent the investigations that Bush closed down to cover the asses of Cheney, Gonzales, the CIA, Blackwater and last but not least, himself, depending on who knew what and who approved what. At a minimum, it should help add one more item to the sorry legacy of Dumya.

cBob ~ Love the Guess Who, Burton Cummings.

Mama, mama forget your pies
Have faith they won't get cold
And turn your eyes to the bloodshot skies
The flags are flying full ....

What a voice. Thanks for posting that.

South Asia hit by sugar shortages

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8219769.stm

Ivy -
That's hard news about the Magpies.

Photo album- sorry the pictures aren't better- they really arrived rapidly and as you can see it seems that they intended to create confusion. They were a bit more relaxed leaving. Will try to upload a video now.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=34908&id=1315243533&l=3af95830b2

Cbob ~ We fight wars specifically to protect the rights of Walmart and other corporations to fleece average citizens, infringe on historical sites, and wreck the environment.

By the way, that is one beautiful piece of leatherwork.

Maybe i'm dense, but could someone explain to me this from the article Bob just linked?

"Consumers have expressed unease about the price rises particularly ahead of the fasting month of Ramadan, when food consumption usually goes up."

Doesn't food consumption usually go down during fasts? Maybe I'm unclear on the concept.

Ivy -

You'll love this girl -

GrrlScientist is an evolutionary biologist, ornithologist, aviculturist, birder and freelance science and nature writer.

http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/

c-bob:

Talk about synchronicity...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_he_me/us_med_too_much_sugar

"Americans are swallowing 22 teaspoons of sugar each day, and it's time to cut way back, the American Heart Association says."

Craig,

I just lost a comment because somewhere between submission and appearance, it was decided I wasn't registered. This constant need to reregister is a major drag.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254430

Pogo

During Ramadan, they cannot eat or drink during the daylight hours. Once the sun goes down, let the whooping it up begin. Lots of partying and food.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254356

Ha! Of course, given the curent climate, any number of a-holes could have been pointed to.....

(current)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254430

Pogo,

The day Shep lost it he was actually arguing with someone supporting water boarding. He definitely went off the reservation.

I hope they open up everything to the light of day and prosecute everyone at the top who condoned these things. We hung people following WW II for committing these same crimes. We can't let our own people off the hook.

Now the people down on the bottom may not have that historical memory, but the people at the top did. Cheney and his cohorts should be walking in 8 x 8 circles for the rest of their natural existence.

"When the Lewinsky thing came up, I always thought that's not my problem, he isn't my husband. Why did we have to hear about it ad nauseum in the news? That's Hillary's problem, not the nations. "

Good point, Ree.

OK fellow dieters (hello, are you out there?). Here's some news about low carb diets (a la Atkins) that is not so good.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8218780.stm

I did Atkins a few years ago, and was concerned about what I thought was a dangerous potential effect of eating so much meat and fat and no veggies to speak of. I have to give kudos to Agatson and the South Beach diet - which allows salad and veggies, and focuses on fish and poultry as protein sources, and restricts dairy except for the low fat varieties - at least during the first 2 weeks. And even ignoring the caffeine and alcohol restrictions (I'm only willing to go so far) that are supposed to be applied, I've lost 6 pounds in the first 2 weeks, and really, aside from not eating bread and sugary snacks, I haven't changed my diet much at all.

I was never really convinced in the Atkins' belief that the body would turn into a fat metabolizing machine , curing everything from diabetes to high blood pressure and high lipid levels to gout by eating mostly fat and protein (and in fairness, that is just for the Phase 1 period), plus I could not understand how you could have any expectation of anything like a healthy colon if you weren't eating fiber.

Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:00p Eastern
Sick and Wrong

Chat with Matt Taibbi about his latest Rolling Stone article. Hosted by Jane.

How Washington is screwing up health care reform — and why it may take a revolt to fix it.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7523

In case any volcano lovers (like me) haven't seen this ....

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/gallery_volcanoes/5/

Anyone know why the western Pacific rim, the Alaska peninsula, and South America are so much more active regions than the Cascades for volcanoes?

Jamie...
you still watching FOX.... guess that means you believe in torture.....

CBob.... beautiful leather work.....
and that's Martha's Vineyard...... same vicinity as Nantucket... different island...

well... if I get my hands on a terrorist.... threat of of conviction for myself or not...
I'm gonna tell the guy I'll cut the dick off of his father, sons, brothers, and every other male member of his family.....

The price of dropping the 'public option' for health insurance should be regulation of profit for the health care insurance industry. Regulate health insurance like a public monopoly, including caps on top salaries and distributions to shareholders.

If the public is going to be required to have insurance, and there is no public option, why should the insurance industry simply be able to reap the windfall profit that will inevitably arise, since it is, at best, an inefficient marketplace, and, at worst, a cartel or monopoly.

Mysterious Tubular Clouds Defy Explanation

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/morninggloryclouds/

Cracked's worst boss list...

http://www.cracked.com/article/89_the-6-most-horrific-bosses-all-time_p2

Jamie

As I understand it they can drink water, fruit juice.
during the daylight hours..

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254447

Renee,

Just hoping to catch Major showing off his birthday present, but I'm surfing back to MSNBC and CNN at regular intervals to retain some semblance of sanity.

I'll take volcanoes for $500 Alex , er a Anna.

Doesn't MSNBC have anyone on the Vinyard? They should stop by and visit Sea. It's not like most of us aren't loyal or anything ..... pout.

Cbob ~ that photo of the tubular clouds was Astronomy Picture of the Day yesterday. That same effect happens a lot off the coast of Australia, near the Great Barrier Reef. Gotta love those volcanoes. Such a metaphor for ... uh, life. ;)

Posted by: AnnaMolly | August 25, 2009 10:20 AM

AM, we sang "Requiem for the Masses" in college chorale, but I thought it was by The Association, not the Guess Who ???

If you haven't read and/or joined in on the Economist Debate linked above, try to get over there. The comments are fascinating.

Massive wildfire near Athens nearly put out -

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5isr6xesG7Fybwe-fO4uTWLXgEvAwD9A9VBO81
------------------------
With these fires, the last of the forests near Athens are gone.

Thank god we're not like Greece, no need to burn the forest first .

Cajunjoe:

Insurance reform is - and has always been - part of the bill. If people want to step it up in order to do away with the public option - go crazy.

But like I say, the important part of the public option is the "non-profit" aspect rather than the "govt control" aspect.

And no one gave me a good answer about how we are going to pay for this "option" if 100 Million people sign up for it - so I say drop it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254448

cj, yes yes yes on regulations. you're right about using the carrot of public option and maybe throw in a tax credit to sweet the pot. they should be federally regulated anyway. just as public utilities, there should be a profit cap on them.
the new regs should require a standardized record keeping element and other reforms being talked about which would reduce administrative costs and confusions.
the concept of single payer could be reached by way of regulating a single "way" of paying/being paid.

Jack

There are exceptions with Ramadan for various reasons of health and age, but the fast is total during the day. In strictest observance, sunrise to sundown, nothing.

It's like the Jewish Day of Atonement. Some may drink water and children and pregnant women are excused from the fast, but full observance means nothing during the daylight hours.

Warren,
The same people will pay for it as will pay for mandatory private insurance. No difference there, I'd say.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254437

Thank you, C-Bob. I do like that site, booked it, and passed it on to my friend, a real grrlscientist with a diploma to prove it.

I too say "girl Anna's" -- if that's what you meant above at 10:55.

My feeders are humming this week...it seems the moms are done nest-sitting and the babies are fledged. Scant sign of dad.
(A poor red cardinal just perched momentarily on the rail. Not a good color to be wearing with these hungry chicks buzzing about.)

(^_~)

It appears Chuck Todd didn't take too kindly to Jeremy Scahill's drubbing he received on Real Time the other night. From Glenn Greenwald:

According to Scahill (via email), Todd approached him after the Maher show and the following occurred:

Right as we walked off stage, he said to me "that was a cheap shot." I said "what are you talking about?" and he said "you know it." I then said that I monitor msm coverage very closely and asked him what was not true that I said on the show. He then replied: "that's not the point. You sullied my reputation on TV."

Media stars are so unaccustomed to being held accountable for the impact of their behavior -- especially when they're on television -- that they consider it a grievous assault on their entitlement when it happens.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-todd-tells-jeremy-scahill-was-cheap

healthcare regulations should include consumer rights and heavy penalties for violating those rights.

opening the competition up to coops and yet-unthought of creative providers has to also be in the mix.

Warren,

The public option is paid for with the premiums. You want the public option, you pay for it just the way you pay for any insurance. There may

People on Medicare pay for their insurance. Every single month, they pay for it. Mine happens to be $93 and another premium for the drug coverage.

My problem with the Public Option is how will it be set up:? Wouldn't be simplest to just let people buy in to Medicare? The system and personnel already exist.

Lard's latest post -

Law and Order: Canine Intent

http://seanholton.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/law-and-order-canine-intent/

"And no one gave me a good answer about how we are going to pay for this "option" if 100 Million people sign up for it - so I say drop it."

Whoa, Warren...you sure you aren't a Blue Dog? Screw all those sick folks.

jamie, I'm vaguely familiar with the Ramadan diet restrictions, at least the way they are depicted on TV. It does surprise me that the evening food comsumption goes up enough to cause in increase in consumption overall during the month. I can just imagine the letter home after the first kid goes to college saying that the kid gained weight during the month of fasting.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254448

CJ, great idea.

Half sentence: There may be premiums paid for low income people, but that would be a variation on Medicaid or deducted from income tax and probably worked out with the states.

how we are going to pay for this "option"

I vote Chinese lottery tickets.

hello, louis fixed the photo - much better
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=650235&l=c3b3fcbac5&id=1315243533

In a statement late Monday, Cheney said the documents prove his claim that the "enhanced" interrogation techniques "provided the bulk of intelligence we gained about al Qaeda."

"This intelligence saved lives and prevented terrorist attacks," Cheney said. "These detainees also, according to the documents, played a role in nearly every capture of al Qaeda members and associates since 2002."

"The activities of the CIA in carrying out the policies of the Bush Administration were directly responsible for defeating all efforts by al Qaeda to launch further mass casualty attacks against the United States," he added.

But the groups that went to court to force the disclosure of the document say they show no such thing.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/08/cheney_rejoins.html

CBob...
thanks for that link about Chuck Todd. I watched the rerun of Bill Maher's show last night. Not only did Todd get upset while discussing Blackwater.... he got upset when discussing the possibility of Obama's administration bringing in Bill and Hillary Clinton into the healthcare debate. Todd said then they would be the story. Scahill said something to the affect of "because you, the media, would make them the story". Chuckie was not amused. But, IMO, Scahill was spot on. The healthcare debate quickly became about wingnuts bringing guns outside of town hall meetings because that's what the media focused on.....
stupids!

We already pay for all the healthcare that is delivered. The only real question is how much utilization and the overall amount spent to provide care will increase if the bulk of the 46 million not currently insured use healthcare other than through EDs at non profit hospitals.

My favorite western writer has died. Elmer Kelton writer of over 60 books dealing with the history of the west died in San Angelo, TX from pre-leukemia. He was 83.

Mr Kelton wrote "Good Old Boys" the book from which the TNT movie Tommie Lee Jones made .

Probably my favorite was a book called "The Time It Never Rained." It is about the epic drought in West Texas in the mid 1950's. Having lived thru that period of time, I can attest to the accuracy of the story.

RR -

" Kicking dirt in the umpire's face . "

Renee

Todd really made me angry during that show. He just couldn't accept that the media had a responsibility because of what they choose to cover and the weight given to certain events over others, not to mention the 24/7 merry go round of the same images over and over.

It is more than just "IF it bleeds it leads", it is purposefully selecting the most sensational story rather than the true one.

Probably my favorite was a book called "The Time It Never Rained."

Yep, it's a killer book. In the way " Confederates in the Attic " is.

I know that MSNBC pays (or at least used to pay) our humble host to occasionally appear and provide political analysis, and I think that was a wise use of their money. Chuckie Todd on the other hand ... not so much. Seems like a nice enough fella, but he's never really knocked me over with his insight. I think our humble host would have been a much better choice for Chuckie's seat. But then again, no one asked me.

Given that we currently have a white girl with breast implants dead. With a bonus boy friend suicide , and MJ's doctor giving him enough dope to kill a bull elephant. I should think Chuck would be happier.

Insurance companies make money because of premiums - and doing their damnest not to pay for things.

I think the govt will have a problem performing the latter task. Which is of course good for patients but bad for our deficit.

Sorry if I am not a big fan of the govt taking on this uncertain burden at a time when our deficits are increasing and most Americans are concerned about govt spending....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254476

Pogo,

The Congressional budget already partially subsideizes more than 1000 non profit clinics nationwide. The public option will allow for that service to be expanded because of the additional funds and insurance premiums..

The issue just isn't being explained to people very well. This isn't "FREE" insurance. It is Non Profit.

Someone needs to get out there and tell the truth about Insurance Companies. You make a deal with them to give them a whole lot of money that they can invest and use any way they want and keep all the profits until you need care. Then they are supposed to take care of you using some of the profits and payments from other sources. Instead they try to eliminate you from their books and keep profits in excess of 30%.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254482

Now be fair CBob. It isn't JUST the implants and facial reconstruction. She is a blond as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/08/25/business/AP-US-Home-Prices.html

Good news, bad news. Home prices rise for the first time in 3 years. Well, it is a positive sign for the economy's struggling recovery.

Speaking of suicide -

Steele: VA Is Encouraging Vets To Commit Suicide

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/steele-va-is-encouraging-vets-to-commit-suicide.php?ref=fpb

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254484

jamie, I agree with everything you said.

VA Is Encouraging Vets To Commit Suicide, but only if they've been circumcised .

"Someone needs to get out there and tell the truth about Insurance Companies. "

Agree with this one.

Why not get the CEOs from the major insurance groups up before Congress and grill them for three dayson TV about policy and profits like they did with the CC execs. Seems it might be an eye opener for many in this "debate" . Are they immune or lobby protected? Maybe they did and I missed it.

Fair ~ You're probably right. It was the first thing that popped into my head. LoL (she blushes)

Must be the moon --

http://www.examiner.com/x-10909-Charleston-History-Examiner~y2009m8d24-Great-Moon-Hoax-from-1835

Warren,

The Public Option could actually help with the deficit. If you have premiums coming in from healthy families offsetting payments going out to benefit Veterans and Seniors, then the deficit goes down.

It is actually another income stream for the Federal government, not to mention that because of a bigger pool, costs can do down on all sorts of services.

I know I don't trust the Insurance companies to voluntarily reduce their profits to something sane. Now it is a matter of deciding whether to trust the US Government to administer an insurance plan. They do well with Medicare. There is no real reason to believe they won't do well with something new. I just wish it wasn't a duplication as that is likely to increase costs as opposed to just increasing the size of the already existing system.

In fact, I would probably opt for combining Veterans, Medicare, and Public option into one huge non profit insurance company that simply issues payments to different covered groups.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254372

I wasn't being facetious when I asked what is the point of taking prisoners if you can't do an effective interrogation.

They are nothing but an impediment. They require people to guard and feed and minister to their health and spiritual needs. They are a pain in the neck that detracts from our ability to perform our primary mission.

So, without their intelligent value, they are valueless to us.

Why not just hand them over to our host country, if they are co-belligerents, letting them process the prisoners as they wish? Certainly would get us completely out of the mix.

Fox is running a poll. 94% of their viewers are in favor of torture.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/24/justice-department-pursue-cia-abuse-cases/

Hey Jamie, could you please check your emai?

Ex-Enron Speechwriter Starts New Anti-Climate Action Group

And now this group is driving around the country in a tour bus, called the "American Energy Express," on a campaign to halt progress on energy reform. What they're doing is completely legal. But a group that's funded by a climate change-denying think tank (which is in turn funded by Exxon) and staffed entirely by GOP operatives, can hardly be said to have 'no political allegiance.'

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/enron-anti-climate-bill-group.php

They aren't in favor of torture, Jamie, they're after Divine retribution for the perceived sins of the subjects, and the inevitable sins of their progeny.

Posted by: AnnaMolly | August 25, 2009 12:03 PM

Well--shame on the moon--(^_~)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6emD7ANF9vc

Cob House Built For Less Than $3,000

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/cob-house-built-for-3000.php

I cannot support a Pubic Option.
-Sarah Palin

More from the chocolate beat -

Vanishing Creatures Chocolates Feature Zero-Waste Packaging With Bonus Surprise

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/vanishing-creatures.php

And I can't support those lousy bridges. Take that, Palin.

Flatus:

You are rarely "facetious." That is my job!

Well I've learned too much today I can feel my head about to explode.

Shiny side up rubber side down.

AnnaMolly--was gonna answer "must be the moon" with that immortal Bob Seger tune "Shame on the Moon" but am again entangled with waiting for comments to be approved. Some getting through, some not, and I don't understand quite why.

Oh, well. Will be back around once Craig gets time to take a look at the offending ones.

Jamie:

Now if Obama can just get the CBO to say that!!

OK - I am officially back on the fence on the public option. But the way it has been sold so far by Obama has been pretty poor...

All together now -

" Gort! Klaatu barada nikto! "

Fairweather -

Links ................... more than 2 is a trip to comment limbo.

There's only ONE WAY to get Cheney to confess: threaten to post nude photos of him on Youtube.
-Inspector (Dirty) Harry Callahan, San Francisco PD
(The damn ACLU has tied my hands, too.)

Cbob ~ That reminds me. Does anyone else remember the group Klaatu?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elhTaC6jr88

The Old Faithful WebCam

http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/oldfaithfulcam.htm

I think our daughter, Toots, is trying to mellow me. She brought over a copy of Gran Torino.

94% of fauxnews fanatics want to be tortured. Good

If they want torture, what the hell are they doing in the US ?

Iran, northKorea, Soviet Chechnya, or Somalia would be more to their liking. Can we afford to send all the fauxnews fans over there ?

Can we afford not to ?

Damn, XR, you're still part Republican--putting it in dollar and cents terms.

Who cares if torture works?
(It's fun.)

Fairweather,

There are only 52 weeks in the year, and I'm having way too much fun with Take This Tune. Everytime you mention a song, there goes another week!

Shame on the Moon just got added to the schedule at some point.

Hey Jamie--could you add "September" by Earth Wind and Fire? A great one from my high school days. I still dance when I hear it.;)

"September" by Earth Wind and Fire

Hear hear

Where's that disco ball ?

KC & The SunShine Band-Get Down Tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF6SbFL1VWg

OSH-

Is Cindy Sheehan's arrival there today creating any local buzz?

Ba de ya - say do you remember
Ba de ya - dancing in september
Ba de ya - never was a cloudy day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfLEc09tTjI

ACK!!! Just now watched "Torturing Cheney"--

One small quibble, Craig. Sleep with the tarantulas?

Why not one of our thirty pound mutant Tennessee rattlesnakes instead?

Although, of course, Cheney might scare the snake to death.

Hey, Cbob, thanks! While we're at it--why not "Boogie Shoes" too?;)

Huey Lewis & the News - The Power of Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFaXTcR4dtE

I'm sure any kid in the peak of their terrible 2's knows all too well that torture works...

If it didn't there would be no need for Supernanny or Nanny 911...

Frankie Goes to Hollywood - Relax (original version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZ33w3B8Hw

Hit me with those laser beams.

Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com |August 25, 2009@9:37AM : http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254383

"and remember how Ken Starr's whitewater portfolio morphed into investigating sex in the white house?"
*****************************************************
ken starr : $70M!LL!ON and a felony in MD yielded starr enough info to stall Congress for nine months and paralyze the White House for a year.

So, Craig, are you trying to minimize starr's and barr's work ?

Eddy Grant - Electric Avenue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPk5IUbdH0

Workin' so hard like a soldier
Can't afford a thing on TV

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254483

"Insurance companies make money because of premiums - and doing their damnest not to pay for things."

Warren, I wouldn't say it doesn't come out looking that way, but I think it starts with insurance companies reading the contract/policy, and trying not to set bad precedents by paying for stuff that's not in it. At least in theory. Now, please don't all jump on me for defending insurance contracts. I used to write the darn things. Like anything else, they ARE negotiable under the right conditions.

The inspiration for the Free Credit Report. Com commercials -

Safety Dance- Men Without Hats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg

"Float On" by the Floaters--cheesy but fun--

My seventies (late seventies that is) was the era of cheese. With the exceptions of Charlie Rich and a couple of great tunes by Faron Young and the Wilburn Brothers (and those were EARLY seventies) I ended up adrift on a sea of disco and Kiss. Drove my stone country dad nuts.

Fast forward twenty years and my nephew (quite small then; he's a headbanger now) thought "Get Down Tonight" was GREAT music--

Rock Me Amadeus - The Fifth Element

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWwxAfNrxI

Good point Ivy. But when we are talking about a "govt run" insurance program . . . how things "look" is often more important than how things really "are". I just think there are a lot of minefields having the govt making such decisions.

Fair,

I already have that one keyed up for sometime in September. Of course I had to forgive Earth Wind and Fire for the night I brok veins in both of my thumbs from drumming on the kegs in The Bodega in San Jose while watching them live.

Jamie...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254439

I may be wrong, but I believe that if you delete the cookies when deleting temporary internet files you remove information needed to web sites you visit and comment on.

I have only had to sign back in when I delete my cookies. I have always deleted my temp files but leave the cookies alone.

Next time you dump your files don't remove the cookies and see if that helps.

Duran Duran - Hungry Like The Wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JdhM_Dt-C0

Do-do do do, do do do, do do do, do do do, do do

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com | August 25, 2009 1:30 PM

Ouch. . .

Jamie...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254442

And the excuse that they were only following orders or that they had legal opinions stating that what they were doing was legal was rejected as a legitimate defense.

We didn't just prosecute those that carried out the orders, but the lawyers and high government officials as well.

We hung a lot of them and imprisoned the lawyers and judges as well.

Duran Duran - Is there something i should know 1983

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-Crjeqa5M

So say you're easy on me
You're about as easy as a nuclear war

AP

Nope. I didn't delete cookies before it happened. Today's happened literally between hitting "submit" and having the comment disappear and receiving a message that I had to register in order to comment.

It just seems totally capricious and doesn't matter which type of registration I choose.

Cheney blasts Obama Administration.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN25208112

Cheney is breathtaking in his arrogance.

Fair,

It was a great night, but I couldn't decide which hurt worse: My head or my hands. :-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254493

Flatus - the question is not whether you interrogate them, but how. If it's effective interrogation you're after, it only makes sense to employ techniques that produce honest answers rather than anything they think you want to hear to stop the pain.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254507

warren, exactly.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254528

Bear, every 2 year old knows that if you torture your parents long and loud enough, they will do anything to make you stop. They tend to be masters of imposing sleep deprivation and sensory overload on their parents.

Posted by: Flatus | August 25, 2009 12:43 PM :
"Damn, XR, you're still part Republican--putting it in dollar and cents terms."

I've always thought that the most fitting treatment of people is that which they recommend or mete out to others.

If suckers for fauxnews don't like our now-at-long-last kinder and gentler country, shouldn't we urge them to go seek their bliss ? Unless of course, they are already under investigation, and constrained from leaving town. In which case, shouldn't their investigations be run just as they want investigations to be run - w/ torture ?

On the other talon, if a sweet muffins like Kucinich or Betty McCollum were to commit crimes, I'd say, give them 500 hours of community service. Because they like people to have chances to learn and improve, let him get learning and improvement experiences.

But for saddam hussein's pal, dip cheney, it would be fitting if he got everything that he visited on other people, preventive detention, rendition, waterboarding, and getting knocked down and made to drink water from a commode, and getting stomped to death in a shower stall.

I don't want to stand in the way of fauxnews nuts' or cheney's happiness. ( :>D)<

Chris Isaak performing "Baby Did a Bad Bad Thing" Soundstage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Zhh9tR58o

Why do the news stations keep putting on Specter to comment on Administration policy. I know he is in trouble for re-election and volunteering to put his face on the tube at every opportunity, but jeez folks, this isn't exactly an insider or even accurate source.

Jamie...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254543

Check your browser settings. Sometimes by default there set to delete files after each session and in IE it also includes cookies I believe.

I use Firefox and they also have a setting to remove temp IE files as well as cookies.

Americans starting to recognize water shortages

http://news.guelphmercury.com/Opinions/EditorialOpinion/article/526138

Bout Time People. It's only been noticeable for at least the past thirty years.

Jesus Jones - Right Here Right Now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z6dxQVhE8o

jamie, a-p, I've had to log back on - about every 3 days I'd say, for the past 3 or 4 weeks. I don't get it either, and I didn't remove cookies or temp files in that period.

xr, now lessee, after WMD never materialized, wasn't the excuse floated for killing Saddam's sons, then Saddam, that they were evil, and that they were evil because they had engaged in the torture and killing of their own people? And it's different for our CIA and the administration that ordered them to torture Iraqis, Afghanis, Saudis, Chinese Uiygars, etc. after we invaded two middle eastern countries exactly how? I must have missed something. Oh, wait, coalition of the willing. Got it.

Hmm. In Paragraph 3 sentence 1, supra, that should read, "if sweet muffins...."
Sentence 2, clause 2 should read, "let them get learning...."

Thank you for your patience.

They may not prosecute Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush or the rest here in the U.S. for War Crimes since the Republicans along with some Democrats gave them immunity in the MCA of 2006 Act.

However, on the bright side all the information that comes from this investigation will be out in the general public and they very well may see their names come up on International War Crimes Warrants.

Will they dare step on Foreign Soil if they do?

I doubt it. Also their names will go down in History as War Criminals wanted by the International Courts. Maybe even be grabbed by War Criminal Hunters just like now since they still have Nazi Hunters.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254549

Jamie -
See the " Single bullet theory ", bullshit ahead of it's time .

Question about something really important...

Two nights ago, TV Land aired the MASH movie...I think it started at Midnight EDT.

Could someone explain to me why a channel showing programming that ADULTS grew up with, airing them at an hour when kids should be asleep, would find it necessary to drop the words coon or spearchucker?

Don't they realize that they were integral to the football game scene in the move?

No other channel I have watched that movie on dropped those words and when that character appeared in the first couple episodes of the show, they didn't drop his name then...I mean really???

"The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need [people] who can dream of things that never were." JFK

pogo...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254553

If could be that it's a policy setting by your IT Dept to dump those files automatically. Here at the schools some TC's have policy settings that do that every time the browser is closed since each class has different students logging on the computers in the classroom.

It's what IT calls locking down the Desktop. It keeps students from changing anything on the computer and limits them as to what they can do.

Just like your firm using web filters to keep you from sites they don't want you going too.

Bear

You should have seen what they did to blazing saddles.

lol

The wife and I started a game . name that derogatory term.
Jack

Robert Palmer - Looking For Clues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9Or_bEGQI

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254546

"...every 2 year old knows that if you torture your parents long and loud enough, they will do anything to make you stop."

Pogo --

I think 2-year olds are completely ego-centric. They don't know or care enough about their parents to deliberately cause harm, it's all about getting their own needs met. A survival tactic. Come to think of it, that's Cheney.

pogo...

Just like visiting here and being allowed to comment.

This is one of only two sites I can read at work. All the rest are blocked as personal web sites (blogs etc...etc...)

Jack,

It's the most maddening thing. If you are going to gut the integrity of the film, don't show it...

Even Bravo has done it when the cut the entire song "reproduction" from Grease 2...I think enough people complained because it was in the movie the last time they aired it...

"Why not get the CEOs from the major insurance groups up before Congress and grill them for three dayson TV about policy and profits like they did with the CC execs."

rez, good idea. and ask them those "how many of you" type questions that require them to give specific answers yes or no. closeups of face, nervous hands.... all the good ole grill and drill drama. maybe a few human interest tragedies sitting behind them in the audience that the congress critters refer to now and then.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254559

AP

If it was some sort of automatic setting, why would it only affect this site? I don't have to constantly renew my registration at other sites set for "remember me". It's only here that it keeps expiring.

gort must have his hearing aid turned off.

The Wabash Cannonball Blues The Delmore Brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqMmnp1OlGw

Well back to work.

Had to have a new air handler installed Friday since I had no air all last week.

Yesterday after getting home from work it seemed like it was working fine. Four hours later the coils were frozen. Appears that the weld on the lines didn't take and there is a leak in them.

The installers are suppose to come out around 3:30pm to check and hopefully fix the damn air. On a better note it was only 80 this morning when I got up and left for work. All last week it ran 87 t0 89 degrees and sleeping was not to good.

Catch you later, maybe.

The Wreck Of The Old 97 Hank Snow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7eaHIm-TQ

Jamie...

I said I could be wrong, however check your browser settings.

I have only had to log in (sign in) here when I deleted my cookies from my browser. No other time.

And I too check the Remember personal info each comment sometimes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254562

Ivy, EXACTLY.

A-P, that may be, but like jamie, this is the only site I have to log back into. There are sites I visit occasionally - mostly shopping sites, that I haven't visited for months until this week, and they all remember me. But our IT folks are pretty clever.

Whoa Mule Whoa JE Mainer's Mountaineers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVQej8rBMv8

BALLAD OF THUNDER ROAD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRH7FtAAbJE

Roarin' out of Harlin

Pogo, Esq.

I believe, saddam's sons died of a case of sudden-onset Hellfire Missiles. They were evil, because they engaged in killing people. No, not their OWN people, except perhaps in the cases of a couple of bros-in-law, they tortured and killed non-Tikritis.

People are only guilty of crimes when they have intent.
I presume the CIA defense will hinge on the argument that they tortured and killed the wrong people by mistake. Iow, the deaths by waterboarding and stomping must have occurred by accident, because they kidnapped innocent bystanders. The killings were merely stupid little CIA mistakes, like training osama bin ladin and alqaeda, employing an alcoholic lunatic like james jesus angleton, exploding cigars for Castro, raising noriega, Iraqi WMDs - including the balloon trucks and the Yellowcake Fiasco, the coups against democratic governments in Cambodia, Guatamala, Iran, and Dominican Republic, the Bay of Pigs Fiasco, Iran/Contra Fiasco, and support for the diem junta, joseph savimbi, and joseph mobutu. You know...just little bitty snafus.

Anywhat, as there was no criminal intent in the acts perpetrated by the CIA by reason of mistaken identity, therefore no crimes were committed. ( :>D)<

the semenya story raises a question: if the sports world only allows males to males, females to females competitions, why can't there be hermaphrodite to hemaphrodite competitions? since there is a certain percentage (albeit small) of humans who are neither male nor female this third category should be represented or the competitions changed to those whose testosterone count between w and x race each other and those whose counts are y to z race each other. strictly mathematical determination.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8219937.stm

Johnny Cash Big River San Quentin Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfm1A0uqXTc

"Thunder Road" was shot just up the road a piece around Knoxville--the locations Mitchum mentions in the theme song are real places.

Continued

On the other talon, saddam hussein and his little boys knew every one of the1,250,000 or so people they slew. All of theirs were especially heinous acts perpetrated with malice aforethought.

But this is not the case with rumdum or cheney. Why, they hardly knew any of the people that they mistakely had tortured or kicked to death.

This makes all the difference in the world.

"The report said interrogators threatened Abd al-Nashiri, the alleged planner of the 2000 USS Cole bombing, by holding a power drill and handgun to his head. The report said they also staged a fake execution by having CIA officers and guards scream and yell in an adjacent cell and then leading the detainee past a hooded, motionless guard -- who was lying on the floor and made to look like he had been shot. "

This sounds like a lesser form of college hazing without all the drinking. Yelling and screaming? Are they talking about Marine bootcamp?

Is it no wonder the rest of the world sees the US as a bunch of panty wearing wuzzies. The only reason we haven't been attack is because men without fear know how to thoroughly communicate their intent to men who usually do not succumb to fear. Apparently, their tactics worked, it totally convinced Abd al-Nashin he would be seeing those 72 virgins much sooner than he thought. So much for all that BS belief that they keep spoon feeding their suicide bomber followers. Abd al-Nashin is nothing more than a big pansy butt-boy.

Junior Brown "Highway Patrol"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M

my comment above was not meant to say that ms. semenya is an hermaphrodite just because she tested at 3 times the average female testosterone count. she would have to have a few extra other things hanging around so to speak for her to rate that very rare, but very real, status.

xr,
I'd love to see a lawyer stand before a judge and make such a defense with a straight face. (btw, love the smiling sideways emoticon.)

pat, What is this testosterone count thing? I thought chromosomes determined which gender each person is, and genetalia are formed accordingly. I'm thinking that the IAAF either uses a chromosome test or a physician inspection of genitalia in cases of suspected cross-gender competitors - but since the stests are expected to take several weeks before the results are known, I'm guessing chromosome. But then again, I only know what I read.

Colorado Bob....

Bill Kirchen and Redd Volkeart playing a song called Tube'n from Redd's cd "Telewacker" Their band is called The Twangbangers. They are from Austin, TX.

Footnote: Bill Kirchen was the original guitar player for Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airman. It is his guitar playing that made that song famous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmNk3U1ujY&feature=related

Thx pat,

Agree with the backdrop participants. DW said it won't happen when I mentioned it in one of our cuss/discuss sessions. She thinks the Insurance lobby would control and prevent it as they do in all other ins biz matters.

Of course we could ask pro cyclists like Floyd Landis about testosterone - Floyd had too much (unfortunately for him the excess was synthetic). He was just too much of a man for the ICF.

Waylon Jennings - Brown Eyed Handsome Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1M8fyWFEBM

sea, better batten down the hatches, things look like they're about to heat up. more protesters are coming.

http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=2057

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090824/NEWS/908240307/-1/NEWSMAP

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254582

Colorado Bob: looky here at Juniors new guit-steel. Built by my good friend Michael Stevens Alpine, TX

http://www.stevensguitars.com/

scroll to the second set of photographs. Junior is there looking over his new guitar.

TIR -
We're gonna need to see your birth certificate

"Would the world be better off with fewer people?
[The Economist Debate]

does the bear poop in the woods?

some woman just called Senator Urine (McCain) from AZ on the fact that he has been in some form of Govt heath care all his life. He did not answer.

Everyone cheered when Medicare was mentioned. Low information voters.

Ummm....only if I really have to go and there is no immodium within sight...

Posted by: warren | August 25, 2009 12:25 PM :
"OK - I am officially back on the fence on the public option. But the way it has been sold so far by Obama has been pretty poor..."

I think Warren has put his digit on one of the big difs between ripuplican and Democratic governance.

Dems don't employ professional snake oil salesmen to tout their proposals. Dems foolishy expect wonks to convince John and Jane Public with the weight of their facts and the grace of their logic.

Whereas unpublicans rely on pyramid scheme salesmen, ponzi scemers, and 3 card monte artists to craft everything they want. Whether it be a $4Tr!ll!on no-bid contract, protection for tort feasors (like surgeons who remove the wrong leg and tobacco companies that kill people), an unnecessary and futile war, or a huge subsidy for gashogs that makes the US even more dependent on Arab tyrants and Iranian terrorists, publicans use deceptive infomercials on radio and tv to make the sale.

Thanks Dr . Dooty

Did you see that photographer's stuff I put up the other day ?

I'd like to question Cheney using the policies he backs.

pat,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8215112.stm

kinda reminds me of the forged CLB and planted birth announcements concerning some kid named Obama in the Honolulu papers a few years back.

hd, I'm sure JM wouldn't want the poor, uninsured to have to put up with the same deplorable healthcare and insurance he's been burdened with because of his own life decisions. :-)

Posted by: Colorado Bob | August 25, 2009 3:00 PM

One of my favorite Waylon tracks. God, I miss that man.

Former CIA case officer turned author Robert Baer says a probe into the interrogation of terror suspects is necessary to clear the air. He says in the future, interrogating suspects should be left to the FBI or U.S. Military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFFKm3lotU

Jamie, one last idea for Take This Tune before you ask, "Hey, Fair, who's runnin' this meme, you or me ;)?": one that would be interesting around Halloween--

"Simon Crutchfield's Grave" written by Damon Black and originally recorded by the Wilburn Brothers. I just posted it over at Music! Music! Music!

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Was that the nature stuff? If so, very nice. Not something I would do but I am glad someone is doing it.

Fairweather -
Waylon was born 30 miles from my keyboard.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/25/cheney-accuses-obama-of-p_n_268279.html

Oh my god. This is ironic on so many levels I'm not sure where to start. Why in the name of everything we hold dear won't Cheney just go home to Wyoming or Montana or hell or wherever he thinks home is and just STFU? I mean. god damn.

This guy's page -

http://www.easywindgallery.com/gallery/05a_people_jpg.html

Pogo -
I'm going with a bat cave in Texas. Wyoming is no place for old men.

Reportage you'll never see on Fox: MSNBC's Contessa Brewer explores extremist rhetoric and right-wing violence

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/reportage-youll-never-see-fox-msnbcs

Tweet of interest

Let's demand equal time on @CNN @MSNBC @FOX for Kucinich townhall on #singlepayer

I watched a bit of that McCain townhall roadblock across three networks. Not one commentary or defense or explanation of Public Option or single payer. They might as well have run commercials non stop for the insurance companies.

TIR -
Here's a question, if we bust a right wing pack of terrorists here. Will it be O.K. to break out the Black and Decker ?

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Fair

If I can build up people participating, I may go to twice a week. There is just too darn much good music out there.

C Bob,

thanks l really like the guys portraits.

Bob, if that guy's right about god, well, he's going to wish he weren't right about god.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26409.html

Well it's about damn time Dems did something to counter the antireformers.

Let's see who's terrorizing who ?

The Murder of Allen Berg
Oklahoma City
The Knoxville Church Shootings
The Holocaust Museum Shootings
The Murder of 3 Pittsburg Policemen

I could go on, but being a commie like Nash, it would turn into work.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254607

Minus the bats. They deserve better. Cheney should be in the cave alone.

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TIR

You do realize that those actions are in violation of international law and punishable by death? Since the US wrote most of the legal opinion following WW II (after we hung people who did those things), it probably is bad form at least to do them ourselves.

I guess it's all on what your definition of a terrorist is ...... is.

Fertilizer bombs ................ The choice of Wingers and Jihadis everywhere. Stock - up today !

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The bats are threatened enough. You don't want to introduce a deadly virus like Cheney

Having your cake, and eating it too -

To another woman, who tried shouting out her question, McCain said, "Ma'am we don't shout at my town hall meetings."

The Cafferty File has a good question today on investigating torture, and the commentary is worth reading

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/25/special-prosecutor-to-investigate-torture/#comment-1092062

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Pogo

but they are wanting to be all reasonable.
They don't scare anybody.
Much less wavering democrats who know(as his lordship pointed out) Where ya gonna go..
It is a long time to election and the base is expendable, they will be back like the good sheep they are.

Jack

Old Sea roll over here comes the real crazy parade -

LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) - An unusual sign of protest has sprung up in Lubbock County, but you'll have to take to the sky to see it. Once a year, Sam Bates plows over the weeds in a playa lake on his property, but this year, he left a little something behind. "I just had some free time," Bates said.

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=10983654

Remember the solar paint I said was coming ?

Lower-cost Solar Cells To Be Printed Like Newspaper, Painted On Rooftops

ScienceDaily (Aug. 25, 2009) — Solar cells could soon be produced more cheaply using nanoparticle “inks” that allow them to be printed like newspaper or painted onto the sides of buildings or rooftops to absorb electricity-producing sunlight.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090824115907.htm

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Jamie, the types of things cited in TiR's comment would never be punished by hanging in a legitimate court. To say they are the types of criminal acts employed by the hanged Nazis is not accurate.

I don't have a problem with the FBI taking over interrogation of terrorist suspects captured in this country. I do have a problem if they are interrogating people captured in overseas locations where the FBI has no detailed background on those locations.

I have absolutely no problem about military personnel interrogating any POW captured on the field or behind friendly lines.

Well, Stinky says I've been hanging out too long.

A man who was delivered by and received government healthcare all his life promises to " Nuke " the health care bill.

John McCain what was your co -pay for your skin cancer treatments?

Why can't reform start small ? How about reforming JUST billing practices or collusion, and then go from there? I suppose that wouldn't be as entertaining. Oh, yes, and because some possibly well-meaning (for the sake of argument) liberals want the world and they want it now.

...not that I condone conservative obstructionism in lieu of earnest problem-solving.

Jamie -
As an ole' PR hand you'll love this thing :

http://www.seattlepi.com/photos/gallery.asp?SubID=2663&page=1>itle=World+news+in+pictures&pubdate=8/25/2009

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Flatus

But they would be spending the rest of their lives in jail. All I'm recommending is full disclosure both of procedures and effects with the hope that it will silence them forever. If Cheney wants to commit sepuku, don't expect me to stop him.

"They might as well have run commercials non stop for the insurance companies"

jamie, but those are the commercials and they were well-paid for them.

MARION, Ala. -- Members of two feuding families were in jail Tuesday after years of quarreling erupted into a small-town riot in which 150 screaming people hurled rocks and tools - and even struck the police chief.

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_feuding_families.html

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Let's all get to work on those country songs.

Hell if Cheney wants to commit sepuku, Jamie will loan him her Ginsu knife set.

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Bob,

McCain is on the wrong side of the issue. Bad on him.

That said, his medical care as a youngster was an earned entitlement through his father. And as an adult, he earned it through his own career military service.

I, too, have my medical care provided by the government both through Medicare, for which Stinky and I pay the normal amounts, and through Tricare-for Life, the supplemental program I advocate for all Americans.

The cost of Tricare-for-Life was my spending a career in the military. That service included one war, and high-risk activities in some of the world's great armpits.

Lifelong medical service was one of the inducements held out for career service. It is an earned entitlement. I make no apologies for having it.

Capt McCain need make no apologies for his using his earned medical care. For his service, he deserves that care and much more besides.

But, as I said, he's on the wrong side of the healthcare issue.

LOL- "Anna Karenina" is an "Oprah's Book Club" selection. Finally, Tolstoy is getting the recognition he deserves.

"Why can't reform start small ? How about reforming JUST billing practices or collusion, and then go from there?"

dark, you call that small?

you do have a point tho. centralize and standardize the 900 lb administration guerilla. pass a law requiring all billing and payments from and to doctors, hospitals, rehabs/nursing homes etc to and from insurance cos go thru a central it system with standardized reporting codes. that in itself would save a lot of money and headaches.

Government Health Care ............. Just look how long it's kept Cheney alive.

More bad news about tobacco:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/us_nm/us_cancer_tobacco

Heard an interesting fact on NPR

every French doctor has to post on the wal a list of his rates for the different proceedures he does.

They said that an American doctor can't do that because he doesn't know what he will get paid untill the insurance company tells him.
doctors are caught in this squeeze too.

Jack

my central billing/payment system would be initially paid for by the gov't. it's only purpose would be to crunch numbers, act like a processing bank, keep records and audit. could be run by a commission and a board made up of consumers, healthproviders, insurance folk. after start up it would more than pay for itself by fees or surcharges.

Good points Flatus , one wonders though . McCain has 4 options
A. His wife is a beer baroness
B. He's a senator
C. He's a vet
D. He's over 65

Posted by: patd Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 5:17 PM

Now we're cooking with gas!

Patd/ Nader 2012!

"doctors are caught in this squeeze too"

jack, that's why these folk are banding together

http://www.pnhp.org/

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CBob

As with all good PR. Simple Effective

there's some real good info in that physicians for a national health program site above. they describe themselves as "a non-profit research and education organization of 17,000 physicians, medical students and health professionals who support single-payer national health insurance."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254641

what a dark horrible tho't. i may be crazy, but not that crazy.

Heat Waves Getting Worse

In 2008, California experienced an unusually early heat wave in May, they noted: Some 119 new daily high temperature records were set during the May heat wave, including the earliest day in the year in which Death Valley temperatures reached 120 degrees Fahrenheit (on May 19, beating the old record of May 25 set in 1913).

There's been no letup in the Southwest this year. In Phoenix, this July was the hottest on record, with the average of all highs and lows for the month being 98.3 degrees. One reason, meteorologists said: Overnight lows were much warmer than normal.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/090825-heat-waves.html

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Corey
How long have people been warned? There has to be some form of statute of limitations for willful stupidity.
I just consider it another form of voluntarily killing yourself. Make them comfortable and say a respectful goodbye, but don't waste more money.

I hated quitting after almost 40 years. There are days even after almost three years when I really, really want a cigarette. The message has been given. If people fail to pay attention, too bad.

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I read Anna Karenina one summer. Took me three months. OOOO, she got on my nerves. By the time she threw herself in front of that train, I was cheering. (But I like Doestoevsky. Go figure.)

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patd

There has been an attempt to get a uniform coding system in place for at least a couple of decades and most medical facilities have no problem dealing with the Medicare set of codes. The problem is that the Insurance companies don't really want anything but their own since by changing wording just slightly they can code for lower payments to doctors or non coverage for the insured.

There should be a federal level set of codes that is adhered to by all insurers, hospitals, and medical personnel. If new treatments arise, they can apply for new coding.

It would save a ton of money and make challenging costs and payments a whole lot easier.

Posted by: patd Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 5:30 PM

...non-negotiable. You will be our nation's first "Rappin' Prezident".

You first Oval Office address may go something like this:

"My name's Prez Pat D, and I'm here to say/ I support reasoned, measured reform in a major way!

I'm chillin' with the villian to the Libs, Raplh Nader/ North America's preeminent corporate-hater!"

...you could get dancers, also.

I've not spoken with a doc who opposes single-payer.

But, those docs are the ones who care more about medicine than money. I don't (knowingly) associate with the other kind; they wouldn't have me either.

...THE PHOENIX AZ CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR THE MONTH OF JULY 2009...

- JULY 2009 WAS THE HOTTEST MONTH IN OBSERVED HISTORY /SINCE 1896/.
- THERE WERE 15 DAYS WITH A HIGH OF 110 OR GREATER...TIED FOR
SECOND MOST /MOST 16 IN 1989...1979-2008 AVERAGE IS 8/.

http://www.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=psr
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Phoenix doesn't have any old heat records anymore.

Laird, the Greta Garbot version of Anna Karenina was on TMC(?) during the early morning hours a day or two ago. I wonder if Oprah watched.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254562 "I think 2-year olds are completely ego-centric. They don't know or care enough about their parents to deliberately cause harm, it's all about getting their own needs met. A survival tactic."

Exactly Ivy, and you can't fault them for trying. It's their parents job to set limits, to teach them the appropriate and most effective way to get their needs met.

Ivy, I saw where you said you used to write insurance contracts. Are you an attorney? (if you don't mind my asking, otherwise feel free to ignore my question. :)

hey dark lord....
Oprah did Anna Karenina about 5 years ago.....

Hell is getting hotter -

Death Valley, Calif., set a new monthly average maximum temperature at 121.3 degrees F. Temperatures in Death Valley reached 120 degrees F or higher for 22 days, beating the old record of 19 days.
NOAA

Your friend the Tobacco Plant -

Tobacco Plants Yield First Vaccine For Dreaded 'Cruise Ship Virus'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090818130418.htm
---------------
Ain't nature grand ?

Rez and Patd, They did quiz ceo's of insurance companies several months ago. They asked them about cancelling policies because of minute details such as a visit to a dermatologist from years back wasn't disclosed when the woman applied for insurance. Of course, they did this AFTER ahe was diagnosed with breast cancer. That woman testified.

Another young woman who was pregnant was cancelled because a doc had written a small note in the margin of a report and then not even asked the woman about it. She testified also.

The congressional panel asked the ceo's if they thought it was fair and they said no, but if they didn't do it, they would make no profit and they owed it to their shareholders to make a profit. It was pretty amazing.
I don't know what came of that hearing - can't remember the names of the reps.

Boy, yeah, Cheney's arrogance is breath-taking.

I want them to get a public option, but if not, go with the billing reform - anything. They can't let this be a complete flop.

I have absolutely no energy and need to pack for Strawberry - do laundry, buy groceries, go to the library.
That's probably most important - gotta have books to read sitting on the deck. Oh, yeah, need some yellow-jacket traps, too.

Sea, Those were cool pix. I was a little surprised to see a hand coming out of the black car, shooting the bird until I realized it was my cursor!

Btw,, My part of California seems to be a little cooler over-all, with fewer but longer heat spells. It's still too
hot and dry for me. We are in a nasty drought and this winter had better be rainier than last winter. It was depressing. I get excited when I hear talk of el nino.

"A judge on Tuesday sentenced Chris Brown to five years' probation, six months' community labor for the beating of Rihanna and ordered the R&B singer to stay away from his former girlfriend for the next five years."

vs.

" Former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress pleaded guilty to a gun possession charge and agreed to a two-year prison sentence.

Burress agreed to a deal in which he pleaded guilty to one count of attempted criminal possession of a weapon, which is less severe than the two counts of criminal possession and one misdemeanor count of reckless endangerment for which he was indicted.

Under those charges, he faced a minimum of three and a half years in prison and a maximum of 15."

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Excellent post, C-Bob!

We'll see how these CIA investigations go. But I suspect it could lead to thinking that the truth commission would of been the way to go.

Obama could of stepped up and said: We do not torture. And we will have a bi-partisan commission come through the records and indentify acts of torture that were outside US law and our international agreements. While granting amenesty to all those involved - especially since all were acting in durress after 9/11 - such a report could lay blame right on the higher-ups where it belongs.

But now we will have a drip drip saga/soap opera that will last for years...

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CBob

This is why I don't like any of the "war on plants" motions. Almost everything in nature has some positive as well as negative purpose. Human beings have to start working with the balance not against it.

"every French doctor has to post on the wal a list of his rates for the different proceedures he does"

American doctors also can't do this because things cost different amounts in different cities. And they should. It makes sense that things cost more in NYC where people make more and there is a different demand.

This is one of the problems with comparing healthcare in America to the healthcare in Europe. Most of those nations are smaller and far less diverse.

That is what makes me nervous about the public option. America's geography and population make any such program on a grand scale from day one.

The USA does not torture?

Has any of you ever been to New Orleans in August?

I'd rather be in Gitmo.

BBC World News America is doing a piece on impending energy, water, and food shortages and possible solutions.

It's called real useful news. Some of our networks might try it just for the novelty.

I don't think the problem is that America has too short of an attention span.

I think it is more that we are moody.

"The USA does not torture?

Has any of you ever been to New Orleans in August?"

You should have just downed more Hurricanes, Nash....

Warren
You have had several people poke holes in your fear of the "public option"
Are your fears based on a rational arguement? If so I would like to hear it.

Jack

Chris Isaak performing "Baby Did a Bad Bad Thing" Soundstage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Zhh9tR58o

Posted by: Colorado Bob Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 1:47 PM

On of my favorites

So where are these water shortages?
Not around here.

I suspect water shortage is a term used much like "homeless"
Jack

One of my favorites

The following have free govt healthcare...
- Prisoners in Gitmo
- Dick Cheney
- Charles Manson
- Warren Buffet (Medicare)
- All the citizens of Iran

The following are uninsured...
- The guy who cuts Obama's lawn in Martha's Vineyard
- A bank officer who made $250,000 last yr, but just got laid off.
- The kid who served you your last Big Mac (did he have a suspicious cough?)
- A woman who just finished her PhD in mathematics but hasn'f found a job yet.

Dobie Gray

"Drift Away" I wore this song out on a "45"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaPnOASOWIU&feature=related

Give me the beat boys and free my soul,
I wanna get lost in your rock n roll and drift away......

patsi: Is that some sort of mixed drink?

Here in Maine, we just drink "be-ah."

Jack,

Just because you turn on your tap and water comes out doesn't mean that there isn't a water shortage. It almost always means you are getting more than your share of a really good thing and somebody somewhere is being deprived somewhere down the line. Farms, Fish, people the water doesn't reach down stream.

Desert encroachment on previously arable land all over the planet is happening. Long term droughts are happening as well.

Even in this most blessed of countries, wells are being closed all over because of mineral poisoning and depleted water tables.

It just hasn't gotten to you yet.

Any "operatives" who believed Cheney had the power to indemnify them from the eventual consequences of the moral universe was living in a fool's paradise.

In other words Jamie, where it has always been a problem.
Western Kansas has a water problem?
Do tell

Jack

Los Angeles has a water problem. They can't find anymore to steal.

Jack

Jack

My fear is re: the cost.

And yes Jamie has said that it will be paid for by the premiums - but I still have my doubts.

My doubts are because a "public option" will likely attract many people that would not pay premiums and the govt will face nightmares "rationing care" - which is basically what insurance providers do.

My doubts are also because I think it is tough to compare America to nations that are smaller than California.

I see the benefits - but think most of those come from the non-profit aspect - which does not require govt control.

But I'm trying to think of anybody east of wichita KS that has a water problem. A few pollution problems.

Jack

One more sign that Obama reflexively appeases the right wing: Bernanke re-appointed as Federal Reserve Chair.

Barnanke helped create the real-estate bubble, failed to question the dangerously speculative behavior of Wall Street, and there is no sign that he has changed his mind about anything.

Wall Street loves him, and, once more, Obama gives those crooks whatever they want. Maybe Obama will invite Bernie Madoff over for a beer.

Big corporations are quietly buying up fresh water sources around the world.

If you thought Big Oil was bad, get ready for Big Water.

I am not sure Bernanke is popular among Libertarians.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10033

"Whiskey's for drinking. Waters for fightin over."

It's always been that way.

Yer joshin' me, Nash -- I know you've downed a Hurricane or two on Bourbon Street.

Okay I looked at the title of their latest article I should have gone to most recent "Bernanke Must Go" so Libertarians not on board.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10376

Thx Bethyboo for the hearings info. I guess not much came of it as you said. Seems the Dems missed a good opportunity for a good show as patd laid out.

Jack,
I heard a radio phone -in commenter mention something I found interesting from your neck of the woods.

I guess MO passed some tort reform recently, last fews years, and while mal-practice/tort suits have dropped apparently doctor's premiums have not. If so, another red herring from big insurers?

I can't believe that no one is talking about Charlie Rangel; from CQ's page,.......used to like this guy a lot. He has been around far too long.!

News)
Rangel Lists Thousands in Undisclosed Assets
House Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel, already beset by a series of ethics investigations, has disclosed hundreds of thousands of dollars in previously unreported assets including an account at the Congressional Federal Credit Union worth at least $250,000 and land in southern New Jersey.

Water has always been a source to get people to fight over; steal their land over it, specially in asia, in the middle east.'
Big biz; is already hard at work: They are selling a lot of bottled water...I don't get why people are so fukn dumb.

Penn, and Teller Did a special on it a while back for HBO; they had very expensive water from all over the world......they were on a menu, in a high class restaurant: Some cost a much as 50 bucks, and some only 20: but all the people that bought the 50 dollar one's said how much better it tasted than the 20. Mean while they showed how all of the bottles were being filled in the back yard by a bus boy.!

Now if we believe that we will have extreme water shortage; and talk about it as if we know what we are talking about....repeating the big corp meme, of water will be very hard to get, will only make it so....just like oil imo.....whats next air, for sale by these bastard's. I real pissed that Obama , has such high praise for Bernake.....he was part of all this shit........and if you or I had a few trillion dollars to throw at the economic problem...we would have stopped the slide, also, except I would have let them all fail, just like they are letting the homeowners down....4 mill more will go into foreclosure.......while bernake, gets an atta boy.!

Race? Guess someone is just trying to be kind by suggesting this mismatch is some sort of a race.

CABLE NEWS RACE
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CJ

Yeah, but not east of Wichita, Nor down in LA either I suspect.
Out west in the other LA it is a different story. Big water thieves out there.

Jack

The water bottles were being filled by a garden hose that is.

rez

I'm not suprised.

remember the kidney stone story?
the urologist involved in it had a big poster in his office supporting tort reform.
lol
go figure,

Jack

TiR -- You act as if the "left" only watches MSNBC. The fact is, Fox has a certain target market covered: morons. And we've got more than a few of 'em in this country. Then the rest splits their viewing time between a myriad of outlets. Some of them are actually reading instead of being glued to the tube!

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KGC, Non sequitur Tuesday?

Jackie Treehorn draws a lot of water in this town........you don't draw shit, Lebowski.............

--fictional sherrif of Malibu, a real reactionary

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254670

Jack,

been out to Utah or Nevada or Az or California lately? not much water out there. South Texas is in a severe drought. Hardly a term to be used lightly.

"big pansy butt-boy."

pansy - 29 definitions - A sissy, fag, fairy, or one that is generally unmanly.
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pansy
butt boy 14 thumbs up love it hate it

"Literally a sexual boy toy who belongs to an older man. The younger guy is a bottom or anal receiver while the older guy is the pitcher."
TIR
So basically your calling a terrorist a gay guy who likes anal sex..Throwing around shit like this makes it that much easier for others to do it...I wonder how you would feel if a loved one was spoke about in this manner??? I very much take offense...

We tried them from the Right; we tried them from the left: There is not difference; there is no change. More of our soldiers are not going to come home.........

In Bush’s Footsteps

Those of you still hoping for "change" can forget it. Young Mr. Obama is working the same number that young Mr. Bush pulled on us. In Obama’s address to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, Ariz., on Aug. 17, he made his commitment to war in the Bananastans irrevocable.

It would be wonderful if public servants seeking to associate themselves with the military would cater to the agenda of the Veterans for Peace. For a president of the United States to pander to the VFW is a disgrace. While the VFW is not a pack of latter-day Brownshirts like the American Legion, the two groups possess a common value: they never saw an armed conflict they didn’t like. If they had to serve in a pointless war, everyone else should too. They also never met a Republican politician they didn’t like. Why a Democrat who was elected on a peace platform feels compelled to throw a bone to Pavlov’s dogs of war is inscrutable.

In Phoenix, Obama deflected criticism of his lack of support for the self-defeating Iraq war by drumming up support for his self-defeating conflict in the Bananastans. He continued a tradition established by his predecessor when he told the veterans "Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again." Are we doomed to hearing presidents evoke 9/11 every time they want to justify overseas adventurism?

"But we must never forget," Obama reminded the veterans, that the Bananastans conflict "is not a war of choice." It is a "war of necessity" because "if left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans." So, according to Obama, the Bananastans crusade is not only "worth fighting," it is "fundamental to the defense of our people."

What fundamental horse manure.

We’ve accepted the myth that the 9/11 attacks were made possible by Osama bin Laden’s "sanctuary" in Afghanistan for far too long. 9/11 "mastermind" Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was operating in the Philippines when he first presented the attack plan to bin Laden in 1996. The six hijackers who controlled the airplanes received their flight training in the U.S. The "muscle hijackers" came from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. That bin Laden was in Afghanistan at the time is a narrative of our "good intelligence" in that part of the world, which, to this day, amounts to beating or bribing locals into telling us what we want to hear or believing the lies that Afghan and Pakistani intelligence agencies feed us.

US Commanders in Afghanistan Demand Even More Troops
Generals Criticize 'Limited' Response in Pakistan

With the situation in Afghanistan continuing to deteriorate, the massive escalation of the war by President Obama, which is being continued in spite of polls suggesting that a majority of Americans oppose the war, is no longer enough for many top commanders in Afghanistan, they want more and they want it now.

The commanders say that with the growing power of the Taliban, which officials have said is higher than at any time since the 2001 invasion, they no longer have enough troops to fight the war, even though 17,000 had just arrived to provide protection for the election.

In addition, the military has recently shifted a dramatic number of additional spy planes and drones to the Afghan theater. Even this, it seems, has not been enough to stem the tide of resurgent Taliban.

Some of the generals also reportedly criticized Pakistan’s military for its “limited response” to the cross border traffic. This comes at a time when Pakistan is fighting several wars along its vast border with Afghanistan, largely at the behest of the US, and those wars are destroying the local economy and driving millions from their homes.

The final push for additional troops will likely come in the form of Gen. McChrystal’s long-delayed assessment, though officials insist the general will not lay out any specific numbers. The war’s unpopularity in the US and increasing international disquiet over the disputed election are likely to make further escalation a tough sell, though President Obama seems intent on making a massive landwar in Central Asia the centerpiece of his foreign policy.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254703

Tony, I'm repulsed by that, too.

Judge gives Federal Reserve five days to disclose bailout loan details

Loretta Preska, chief judge of the Manhattan U.S. District Court, ruled Monday that the Fed had “improperly withheld agency records” in response to the FOIA request, according to Bloomberg reporter Mark Pittman.

In her ruling, Judge Preska also struck a blow to the assertion that transparency at the nation’s central bank would somehow be dangerous to the U.S. economy.

“The Fed has refused to name the financial firms it lent to or disclose the amounts or the assets put up as collateral under 11 programs, most put in place during the deepest financial crisis since the Great Depression, saying that doing so might set off a run by depositors and unsettle shareholders,” Bloomberg reported.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/author/stephencwebster/

Tony,

I didn't want to say anything: Don't pay any attention to that Jerk TIR.
Just set him straight like you did......

been out to Utah or Nevada or Az or California lately? not much water out there.

Dry is kinda their normal climate, nothing unusual

"South Texas is in a severe drought. Hardly a term to be used lightly."

again not unusual.

As I said the term "water shortage " is like the term "homeless" neither one address the facts.

Jack

Warren I suspect you don't believe that we should investigate and prosecute those who committed War Crimes from a comment you left up above.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254662

I'm glad that you weren't around or involved in the Tribunals at Nuremberg as you would have probably been defending the Nazi's.

It's okay for us to prosecute other countries citizens for War Crimes but you think that were something special and we should be allowed to commit them with no repercussions.

And the Republicans still argue that we shouldn't be investigating because it will lower the moral of those whose job it is to keep us safe and that they were only following orders or that they had the legal opinion that they could do the things they did.

I say to hell to them since neither of those were considered legitimate defenses by the Tribunals which was run by the American Military.

I also get peeved when no one argues the above to those morons that they bring on and defend Torture and its use by the United States.

Just saying that we no longer Torture is BS and you know it. Without holding those who authorized, implemented and carried out those crimes leaves the door open in the future for another administration to restart and carry out the very same policies.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254707

Flatus
Thanks.Your the best.

Guess Major Garrett liked his chocolates. Thanks Jamie. Just saw Obama at the house he use to stay at. Saw him hanging around on the porch.

MajoratWH1 of 2....Candy named after me makes me do things backwards. What's in it. The candy, that is. http://twitpic.com/f9tlw
about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

MajoratWHMy first cut of true Island graft. 2 of 2. A candy named after, not inspired by, me. http://twitpic.com/f9tgp
about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

KGC, Non sequitur Tuesday?

Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 8:54 PM

Must be a moveable holiday :))

Tony
I'm in total agreement
I, was trying to think of a way to respond to it but hadn't.
Basic thought about his comment was that , in my experenence that is the way a coward talks when he has too many drinks.

but it was very offensive, IMO.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254709

Solarman,
Hey,you got it.How's it going? Seen any of that stimulus money yet? Its not good here in Florida.I received my property tax statement today and the good news is my taxes are down.Bad news is my property value is way down too...In 3yrs a $100,000 dollar loss.If we get a proper healthcare bill i can save $700 a year to the local hospital for the un-insured.I would be happy to pay more taxes to have all insured though.

Tony,

Sorry about the stimulus $, and all of that,,and no, have not seen any of it. On NPR today they were talking about it: How exited they were cos of the $ that will be given to the weather proofing bs. They should have done this almost a year ago. It will arrive, just in time for the 2010 elections.......they need to train, a mass amount of people in order to get this done....meanwhile; we are spending all of our money for all of the wars......now they are bush/obama wars....they are one and the same.....skipnthat shits post's.....

The night before last, Senator Klobuchar (D-MN) had a phone conference 'town hall'. One of the expert presenters was Dr. Cortese, the head of the Mayo Clinic system.

Dr. Cortese said that the cutting edge of medical treatment is the 'team approach' that Mayo adopted some years ago. In MN, Health Partners and UCare also use the 'team approach.' Cortese said that many of the same medical procedures done in Miami, FL cost nearly twice as much as in MN, because of FL's disorganization and obsolete practises. He went on to say that medical practise around tends to be more like Miami than Mayo. According to Dr. Cortese, public option would not add to the US deficit if health providers around the country modernized and adopted 'team delivered medicine.'

Klobuchar and Cortese both touted public option. I still want single payor.

T. R. Reid was interviewed tonight on BBC America world news. He is the author of the Healing of America

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper/dp/1594202346/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251252865&sr=8-1

A personal journey through the world's health care systems and how America can improve.

Warren

fun thing about the internet is you can find information.
sure sometimes it takes a little work and a sharp pencil.
But I googled and got the demogrphic of the uninsured and then ran them through a insurance calculator for BSBC on North Carolina.
turns out we can provide a basic $2500 deductable policy
Better than medicare in some ways worse in others.

Total cost 90 billion.
And the government would not be required to pick up all of the ninety billion
only about half of them fall low enough to need assistance.

Now , Medicare can do as well as bsbc
So we are talking around $50 billion. cost to the government.

Jack

Tony --

I didn't see the original offensive remark, and I'm not going looking for it. I'd rather spend my time reading your posts because they are much more worthy and worthwhile. Kudos to you.

Jamie

I heard him on freshair. Very interesting.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254715

Hi Jack
Thanks.I think your correct.I've seen much of this in my life.I saw it here from Brian! Its still hard for me to believe a gay guy would treat people in such a sexist and nasty way.I knew at some point in his life he was treated bad because he was gay.I even made excuses for him,i was wrong too.There's no excuse.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254682

Warren,

The government is already a major source of funding for the "non profit" clinics and such. All the private "non profit" insurance companies i.e. Blue Cross became for profit entities.

We are already paying for people without insurance in hospitals all over the country. At least the ones that can still survive.

Even if people had to receive all or partial subsidy for insurance premiums, it would still be cheaper than paying for them when there condition had become critical or they had spread an untreated illness to others.

Finally saw the CATS tonight. They are so hot, a good reason to move to DC.

"I still want single payor."

X-rep,
Me too!

Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 9:50 PM

Take that, Warren! You Nazi-lover!

LOL... give Warren a break, A-P. To say that because he realizes that it's highly unlikely Cheney or any other high-level Bush administration official will be prosecuted for alleged "war-crimes" in the current political climate DOESN'T mean he would be defending Nazis at Nuremburg. Seriously, take a pill.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254721

Ivy,
Hi.I feel the same about your post's. TM is the greatest place to hang out.You all blow me away daily...

OSH

Looks like Major really got a kick out of HIS chocolates. Now if he will only reorder to give out as gifts to all his DC pals ... Here have a Major Pleasure.

:-)

Did you see my email about the Trailmix?

TripeInReality's post interests me, and makes me laugh. My experience with gay bashers has been that the more flambouyant the gay basher, the more flaming and outre is that guy's/gal's closeted practise. And, let me tell you that having been a 40hr/week art appaiser, I've probably met more gay guys than Tony has.

Could it be that fry"daddy" is really one of those silk underwear, cologne-wearing, chardonnay-sipping, simpering terrorist gays he writes about ? I think that "daddy" just BFed his manly personna in front of God and everyone.

I'll never be able to see those TurdReality posts again without laughing out loud.

"now they are bush/obama wars....they are one and the same....."

Solar,
Your right.I was thinking about that earlier while reading a post of Warren's.I agree with Warren the deficit is a matter of great concern! The Bush administration wasn't concerned with the spending on the wars and now it seems neither is the Obama administration...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254725

OSH

What CATS?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254730

X-rep
Now you've put a big smile on my face! I'll laugh from now on when I read one of TIR(fry daddy) post's..

Tony, obama is playing games with the American people: Bush kicked us to the ground; by stealing us blind in one eye; and helping this corp friends; now is obama's turn, is all. Nader, R. Paul, Dennis K. all look funny to some, and are not trustworthy ...........while the other two nuts are blinding us in both eyes....later Tony Baloney.

Tony

just googled it, for 2009 156 billion for the Iraq war.

And we are worried about healthcare busting the budget?

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254735

Jack

And that doesn't include all the Bush off budget "appropriations" that just completely bypassed the deficit and went direct to debt.

Good Night All

Jack
Exactly!

"Yer joshin' me, Nash -- I know you've downed a Hurricane or two on Bourbon Street"
patsi, mentioning the word "hurricane" might cause nash nightmarish flashbacks and wipe out the goodtimes he once let roll.

nash, here are directions to pat o'briens to refresh your memory
"original entrance to the bar is still located on St. Peters Street, right down from Preservation Hall. As the bar has grown, a second entrance has been added directly on the always-lively and ever-crowded Bourbon Street"
also a recipe for pat o'b's famous hurricane which probably has devastated about as many people over the years as did any of the windy kind.
http://www.neworleansshowcase.com/po05001.html

and here's the requisite wiki blurb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_O%27Brien%27s_Bar

Tony, very good read:

How Constant War Became the American Way of Life

Younger generations of Americans are now being taught to expect no end of war -- and no end of wars. It wasn't always like that.

On July 16, in a speech to the Economic Club of Chicago, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said that the "central question" for the defense of the United States was how the military should be "organized, equipped -- and funded -- in the years ahead, to win the wars we are in while being prepared for threats on or beyond the horizon." The phrase beyond the horizon ought to sound ominous. Was Gates telling his audience of civic-minded business leaders to spend more money on defense in order to counter threats whose very existence no one could answer for? Given the public acceptance of American militarism, he could speak in the knowledge that the awkward challenge would never be posed.

We have begun to talk casually about our wars; and this should be surprising for several reasons. To begin with, in the history of the United States war has never been considered the normal state of things. For two centuries, Americans were taught to think war itself an aberration, and "wars" in the plural could only have seemed doubly aberrant. Younger generations of Americans, however, are now being taught to expect no end of war -- and no end of wars. More at......

http://www.alternet.org/world/

Jamie,
I forgot, Dr. Cortese also mentioned the hidden tax we all pay, because the cost of the treatments given to people who can't pay ends up divided among the rest of us, through our inflated medical bills and the property taxes we pay to support county and regional hospitals. Apparently, the local savings to be gained by eliminating these hidden taxes were not figured into the CBO calculations regarding public option. Iow, the CBO estimated the Fed cost, while ignoring local savings.

Btw, I sometimes suspect that fauxnews' comedy fiction, 'House', is meant to discredit 'team' medicine.

Flatus,
I agree about the medical care America owes Lifers. However, I don't want to withhold insurance from 46,000,000 Americans just because they may not have 'earned' it.

As with Food Stamps, the purpose for fixing our broken health insurance system is not primarily to help poor people, but to serve a vital national interest.

X R has quite a way with words
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254730

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254742

You can say that again.!

nash, 45 seconds of preservation hall jazz band just to get you in the mood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJW3ho0VSd0

Dark Lord...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/can-cheney-beat-torture-rap.html#comment-254727

While I may be considered a paranoid nut job my gut tells me not to trust anything Warren says. I can't put my finger on what it is about him that makes me feel this way, except that it does.

While it may be expedient to not look back at what the previous administration has done to our country I in good faith can not look forward with any confidence of those practices not being used in the future.

To say that it would be a drip, drip, drip and cause further division in our country is no reason not to investigate and prosecute is crimes can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

They were and are War Crimes and no matter how it is spun America has no future if it don't hold those responsible for them.

Maybe President Obama should use the power of the MCA of 2006 Act and label them all Enemy Combatants. Then we wouldn't need no stinking investigations, just arrest them and ship them all off to a Black Prison Site and use Cheney's Enhanced Interrogation to find out who all the Terrorists are.

And if a few die while being interrogated so be it.

WSJ disses Facebook (comments more interesting than article)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204660604574370450465849142.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

Solar,\

One of the bits of news in the Spring of 2008 that discredited republican brag-bluster and snot-strut was the horrific news that the taliban was profiting from it's own Surge in Afghanistan, while cheney shot his mouth and his pal, and bush brainstormed 'World Strajedy' with Jesus in the middle of the night. Former reprickan Majority Leader bill frist proposed taking the taliban into the Afghan government (never mind that taliban lost the election, defeatist frist was all for being bi-partisan with osama bin ladin).

President Obama is hoping that he can still pull a winning rabbit out of the Afghanistan hat. Unfortunately, he needs more help. Even more unfortunately, the bush/cheney team of defectives, kleptos, alcoholics, and lunatics already chased almost all of our allies away. It makes no sense to fault Pakistan, which is fighting for its life against a taliban enemy that recently murdered PM Bhutto, the most widely and deeply respected person in the entire country.

It is of no value to the argument to suggest that there is a commercial value to our efforts in Afghanistan. As you point out it costs more than it will ever be worth, but I think it is important to destroy the taliban/alqaeda/salafist beast. Replacing the internal combustion engine for motive power in 2002, instead of subsidizing the sale of hummers and escalades would have gone a long way to winning this war on all of the fronts. Unfortunately when it comes to war, ripuplicans have an unblemished 111 year long record of losing, and they have put America and the President into a deep hole.

Goodnight.

jack since you don't believe there is a drought going on in the southwest and west here is a map to show you what the US Drought Monitor has documented. There are at least two major aquifers in the Austin/San Antonio and they are not getting re-filled. This has been going on for at least 18 to 24 months.

http://drought.unl.edu/DM/MONITOR.html

"The supreme court in Argentina has ruled that it is unconstitutional to punish people for using marijuana for personal consumption."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8221599.stm

Facebook ? It's a rival of newsCrap's myspace. And isn't the wall street jernal also owned by newsCrap ?

Just another shining example of the fare unbalanced reportage you have come to know and expect from newsCrap.

Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | August 25, 2009 11:31 PM

...just think about what you'd be able to achieve if you focused that passion on something you actually had the ability to impact. Not that you don't make valid points occasionally; they're just over-shadowed by the bluster.

As for warren, I don't have the same perception as you.

"Islay to be entirely powered by tides
Exclusive: ScottishPower is to build turbines in the Sound of Islay that will generate enough electricity for the island's 3,500 inhabitants – and its famous distilleries"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/25/scottish-power-islay-tidal

Breaking News about Sen Kennedy

So Long Ted.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - YouTube, the world's most popular video sharing site, said on Tuesday it will start sharing advertising cash with users who upload the most popular clips of everything from skateboarding dogs to dancing babies.

The video site, which is owned by Web search giant Google Inc, said it will extend its YouTube partnership program to allow individuals to make money when their videos are deemed eligible based on the number of views and how widely they are shared with other users.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE57O61620090825

RIP Senator Kennedy.

Would link the Introit from Mozart's Requiem in D minor--

Mozart's Requiem Mass in D Minor I - Introitus and Kyrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88xIIRDI9U&feature=PlayList&p=EC40E2A07E1458D3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20

Lies of Mass Destruction

The same skewed thinking that supports a Saddam-9/11 link explains the power of health-care myths.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/213625?from=rss

Thought for the day :
" You're smart when you only believe half of what you hear, Wise is when you know which half to believe. "

RIP, Ted Kennedy. And in thinking of Senator Kennedy, here's a very interesting cost piece on health care:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/business/economy/26leonhardt.html?_r=1&hp

1873 Lee De Forest Council Bluffs, inventor (Audion vacuum (radio) tube)
1906 Dr Albert B Sabin polio vaccine discoverer
1921 Benjamin C Bradlee journalist (Wash Post)
1935 Geraldine Ferraro (Rep-D-NY) 1st female major-party VP candidate

55 -BC- Roman forces under Julius Cësar invade Britain
1346 English longbows defeat French in Battle of Crecy
1791 John Fitch grants US patent for his working steamboat
1874 16 blacks lynched in Tennessee
1883 Krakatoa erupts with increasingly large explosions kills 36,000
1938 Montreal Maroons dropped from the NHL
1942 7,000 Jews rounded up in Vichy Free Zone of France
955 1st color telecast (NBC) of a tennis match (Davis Cup)
1957 USSR announces successful test of intercontinental ballistic missile

TIR -
1874 16 blacks lynched in Tennessee

Right wing terrorism has a long history in this country. I remember watching a TV program with my mother awhile back. It was about the race riots in Tulsa. 1927 or there about. We were shocked, first because like the city of Tulsa , we had never heard of this incident. Secondly , because it was so fierce. They actually were dropping dynamite from an airplane on the black sections in town.

This all because a white woman said a black man had made a pass at her in an elevator.

"Before They Die!"

A Documentary about the Survivors of the Tulsa Race Riot and their quest for justice.

http://www.beforetheydiemovie.com/

Tulsa Race Riot Historical Photos – Slide Show

http://beforetheydie.wordpress.com/2007/12/23/tulsa-race-riot-historical-photos-slide-show/

Strong stuff, C-Bob....I had never heard of this!

MAJOR Death Penalty News out of Texas

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/25/772133/-MAJOR-Death-Penalty-News-out-of-Texas

If you have never heard of this case, a word of background.
Sloppy CSI work and criminal lab work convicted an innocent man .
The state of Texas executed him.

Patsi -

One thing about that much talked about GOP base. They have a bad habit of tying gin fans around the necks of children that they've beaten to a bloody pulp.

Girls Gone Wild scumbag pretends to have brain damage in court

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/25/girls-gone-wild-scum.html

bummer.

Jamie- I did see the email and we shall have fun with that! Sorry I didn't get back earlier, it was a weird day, the phones weren't working , my word program stopped working (couldn't make labels) and woke up to seeing that half of the choc. for Mon. had bloomed. So I saw Obama drive by my house and said "screw it," and went off in pursuit. They closed the end of the st., but I told them I was going to the club, so they let me park. Assisted in letting a young reporter in the beach club where he was able to get a full front shot of Obama. Nice kid. Don't think the SS were thrilled, oh well. Then he went into town so we walked up there. The main st. was closed to trafficand it took a while before everyone knew what was going on but by the end of the evening there were probably 400 people congregated on the sidewalks just down the st. outside the restaurant That cool black Federal Marshall van was there along with all the State Police and 2 vans full of my CATs. The people were so excited , it was really great fun. I watched the CATs for a while then came home to get back to the chocolates. I figure I've got a better chance of meeting them when there is a smaller crowd and besides my feet were tired. So I'm up now to get ready for the farmers market- made the 5 Nutty Presidents Bark. Am hoping Michelle will show t oday.
CATs are the Counter Assault Teams. They hang around in trees here with guns, wear all black and are all gorgeous specimens. Damn, makes me wish I were younger. Our Flatus was in a similar group.

Here's the exclusive video. I was standing right next to his camera, couldn't see the Pres. with any detail, just a man with a blue shirt- till I looked in the camera.

Also, Obama drove by the house twice so I hope he looked out the window. Cant' believe I forgot to tell you all that, guess I was thinking about the CATs

Jamie- It is ok for me to keep the sign up, isn't it?

I am an idiot
Here is the video
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090826/NEWS/908260324

NEW THREAD

Thank you for the link, DL.:)