Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

WOO! WOO!

"Unless supporters of a public option go dumbikaze whatever comes to be called "health reform" will be incremental at best."

Sad, but most likely true, Craig.

Where are the senators speaking out in support of the public option all I see are the ones dissing it.

Time to get in the face.
Ask the simple question are you bought and paid for by the insurance companies. Just repeat it over and over.

Jack

Grassley is running scared of his base.

It is time to call him out on his BS and make all of Iowa pay attention to his pandering to the extreme right and not serving all Iowa.

How about some ads with family farmers having to choose , "do I get treatment for the cancer and loose everything or do I die but preserve my families future"

It happens

Jack

Rassmussen poll

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/without_public_option_enthusiasm_for_health_care_reform_especially_among_democrats_collapses

Ah, Craig, I have already tried the dumbikaze thing via email, I don't want to get out in public!

Jack

I watched how Grassley speaks to his peeps...he claims he must listen to his peeps, but he dodged a question from a women who appeared much older than him about quoting studies done by and for the insurance companies. He threw her intelligent question under the bus with her.

He gets the Flaming Hypocrite Award...pants on fire you lying creep,

BW

He has to run in the primary and it is controlled by the nut cases. I say let him run hard to the right just don't let him get back to the center.

Jack

Dumbikaze just doesn't sit well with the people who actually understand the issues, but unfortunately it is the dining room table types that get the cameras.

The more Obama tries to sound like a professor explaining the issues in the face of the slogans scrawled on signs, the more likely we are to get nothing.

We need signs to shove in the critters faces:

My vote can be bought by single payer
What did the insurance companies pay you?

"Grassley is running scared of his base."

I'm scared of his base too.

You want to read the dumbikazes at work. These people are certifiable and they are very, very noisy

http://www.prisonplanet.com/barney-frank-eugenics-death-panels-and-a-dining-room-table.html

"Unless supporters of a public option go dumbikaze whatever comes to be called "health reform" will be incremental at best."

Well yeah, Craig. I agree. If you want something, you''ve gotta fight for it. (Send a memo to Obama, would ya)

"she puts sugar in the cornbread..............like cake...."

... that's how Blackeyed Pea makes their cornbread too, Sturge. That's one of the main reasons we go there. That, and that it's so homey.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/defining-the-coops.html#comment-253173
I don't think I've ever known anyone who had an actual nanny. It's so great that you've stayed close.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/defining-the-coops.html#comment-253184
It probably should read all homeless adolescents.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/defining-the-coops.html#comment-253205 "Robinson's call for passion & conviction may be falling on deaf ears"

Agree with you too Coreen. You've either got it or you don't. I'm not sure Obama ever really thought beyond: 'Someday I'm going to be President' (paraphrasing).

Pelosi should have kept her mouth shut, but obviously the WH didn't do their prep before hte President spoke. I am surprised at your comments however. I am going the Whole Foods today at the Time Warner building to show my support for their CEO. This bright move in vilifying him will decrease public support for the shouting Left. The screamers on the Left are late to the ball and the public will see this as simply counterdumbikazing and also revealing what the Democrats always had in mind. Calling the CEO an evil or bad man is politically stupid.

I didn't see anything on Axelrod's copying Cheney with that 2 million owed by the company he landed ad money for on healthcare commericals. I guess Obama is copying the Cheney days. Stewart did not make his point last night in even refuting the claims by a supporter of healthcare reform that has trouble with the Pelosi package including death panels. No wonder the Senate removed such poorly worded passages.

Fox is scared about the co-op strategy and is happy to see you all fight for the public option. By the time anyone can figure out how to impliment the Bill, the election will be sure to decrease Democratic advantage. I ca't decide if this is a repeat of Carter or Clinton. And Blonde, Grassley at least pointed to some studies. Democrats base their projections on wishful thinking and fuzzy details.

Bin Laden and why Pakistan screwed Clinton and Republicans played the Wag the Dog to America's detriment: http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/08/why_the_us_missed_zapping_bin.php

Forget who publishes the Washington TImes, the story is true and Iran selects a terrorist to be Defense Head: http://www.washtimes.com/news/2009/aug/21/iranian-defense-minister-terrorist/

Another site that is questioned here also repeats this pathetic story:

"Ahmadi Vadhidi, whom President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has designated Iran's next defense minister, was head of the notorious al Qods Brigades which ordered and organized the bombing attack on the Jewish center in Buenos Aires in 1994 that left 84 people dead.

Interpol has issued an international warrant for his arrest for this crime. (See attached photo)

Al Qods is responsible for the Revolutionary Guards terrorist operations in foreign countries. For the attack on the Jewish center, Vadhidi used Hizballah operatives with whom he was acquainted from his days as commander of the IRGC's Lebanon Corps in the 1980s.

He was especially close to Hizballah's bombing and abduction expert, the late Imad Mughniyeh. Together, they plotted and executed the kidnapping of a series of high-ranking Western officials in those years, among them William Buckley and Col, Richard Higgins.

Buckley, the CIA station chief in Lebanon, was snatched in 1984, the first senior US intelligence official to be interrogated under torture by joint teams employed by Vadhidi and Mughniyeh. He did not survive the ordeal.

Four years later, the due captured Col. William Richard ("Rich") Higgins, the highest-ranking US military and intelligence officer in Lebanon at the time. He too was tortured to death in the attempt by Iranian agents to extract the secrets of US Middle East operations.

Vadhidi has been employed in recent years at home base in Tehran, latterly as deputy defense minister with responsibility for "aerodynamic development" i.e. missiles. He has also served as head of the ministry's planning department and head of the Expediency Council's political-security commission.

The Iranian president is poised to unveil his cabinet in the coming days. Composed mainly of his most brutal cronies and loyal yes-men - as well as three women for the first time - it faces the opposition of large sections of parliament who threaten to withhold endorsement."

Obama has more to face than just Healthcare problems and he didn't sound like Jope Namath predicting victory on any fronts. I will add however, it appears that Meshud is really dead. Kudos to the administration.

AP Breaking News 08/21/09 10:02 AM EST
Obama to Seek "Birther" Compromise

The White House today announced that President Obama would seek a "bi-partisan compromise on the issue of my citizenship."

"I'm eager to work with Republicans to determine whether or not I am, in fact, a native born U.S. citizen," the President said.

"While I would prefer to think that I was born in Hawaii, I'm willing to listen opposing views. It could be that I was born in Kenya but have U.S. citizenship because my mother was a citizen, or it could be that I am an illegal immigrant."

A "gang of six" U.S. senators is working on a proposal to declare that Obama was born on a ship in the Atlantic Ocean halfway between the U.S. and Africa.

Said one of the Senators, who spoke on condition of anonymity, "This would make him a stateless person but we're thinking that we could try a constitutional amendment so that he could retain the office. Until the matter is settled, of course, he will have to be held in Gitmo."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/defining-the-coops.html#comment-253214

"Obama was never my first choice, but I still support him because even though I don't agree with him completely I still believe he has a legit moral compass."

"But that doesn't mean I won't criticize him or hold his feet to the fire....just like I would have done the same had my candidate become president."

Patsi
Thanks for this comment.It explains exactly my feelings.I told this to Warren the other day. I totally believe we the people have an obligation to criticize our elected officials.

Blonde Wino -- Are you still in here? I mentioned your story to Contessa Brewer yesterday as another person who is suffering with this crappy status quo health care "system." She is very interested in talking with you.

diva...I am still here and I posted a great letter from my friend on yesterday's post.

Blonde -- Are you on Facebook at all?

http://www.opticsinfobase.org/DirectPDFAccess/3D57935B-BDB9-137E-C88AC409DEF3E05B_184385.pdf?da=1&id=184385&seq=0&CFID=54647913&CFTOKEN=95506511

What Obama should have used on his Healthcare Bill. There is a neat video caption you can operate in the middle of the article.

Divalicias, you might also want explore Lard's reflection on the quality and scope of Healthcare.

I prefer email, diva.

Divalicias

Send me an email at webthings at comcast dot net

jamie...you can share my email with diva, please

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253242

Hi Chloe
Agreed.I'll take the gay marriage issue,really its just about gays having the same civil rights as others enjoy.Gay civil rights,no,its just civil rights..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/defining-the-coops.html#comment-253127

Max
I posted this for you in the last thread.

BW

Needed your okay - will do

Blonde - Here is my email: knight dot alicia at gmail dot com

Your story is compelling -- and it's also tragically all to common in this mean country of ours. We all need to tell our stories and the stories of of friends and loved ones who are suffering with health care problems. We may have a media person who is able to help us get our stories out there people ill start to gain a better understanding.

Max,

Among Whole Food CEO John Mackey's recommendations is one that would remove federal mandates for what health insurance must include. Think about that for a moment. Insurance companies, in order to compete on cost, would quickly drop treatment for a whole variety of illnesses. Let's take for example mental illness. Few people think they will need this coverage (unless they already have the unpleasant experience). And it is expensive when it occurs. So what then happens to those who choose a policy that does not cover it when they wind up with the illness? Who pays then? How is that an improvement over where we are now?

What about cancer, heart disease. These are diseases that increase with age. So the young would buy policies that don't include coverage. The old would not but policies that cover maternity costs. Everyone would be gaming the system. The whole point of insurance is to build a large enough pool of participants to spread the exceptional costs.

Mackey's proposal should be rejected if for no other reason than that. He might be a good grocer, but as an insurance expert Mackey's a lackey.

And Max,

Here's Mackey's actual quote:

 Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.

Hi Tony, What I was actually referring to was xrepub following quote: "There is hardly anyone more vulnerable to Commercial Child Sex Abuse, than homeless gay adolescents." I was thinking that 'all' homeless adolescents are vulnerable to Child Sex Abuse.

I wholeheartedly support and admire your stance for Gay Civil Rights, but also agree with you that it all breaks down to "just civil rights" and equality for all - the same rights for everyone. To me, that's as clear as can be.

BW

I sent your info off to Diva

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253246

Hysterical Nash!!

"We may have a media person who is able to help us get our stories out there people ill start to gain a better understanding."

That's right Diva. The only way to get the truth out there, to make people understand, is to make them aware of real happenings, real stories. Once we make it personal, people will care, and be aware, ahead of time, that these things can and will happen to them.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253252
Max, I'm not sure exactly what you meant by that, but Lard made it clear that he is very lucky to have the good health care plane he has through his exceptionally good job. He said that if he had made other career choices, he wouldn't have been so lucky.

I think he was pointing out, that a lot of people in these situations aren't as fortunate as he has been, to have complete medical coverage.

CJ

That is what makes health care a "natural monopoly". Usually when people hear "monopoly" they think that there is something wrong, but there are certain things (which can be argued) that are so important to a well ordered society that they can't be left up to the individual or to competition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly

Some "natural monopolies" - Fire, police, army etc.

Protecting just the "insured" at various levels but not the "uninsured" endangers the whole of society.

Health care needs to include everyone and virtually everything other than the totally elective. The size of the pool is paramount to spreading the costs and services over the widest possible group. It cannot be a "for profit" condition.

Jamie,

Thanks for posting the PrisonPlanet site. At first I thought it was just nutty. But the more I think about it and read the ads that are associated with it, the more shocking it is to realize that these people must actually believe this stuff. Barney Frank may have inelegant in his dinning table metaphor, but how can you have a debate with people who have such a totally different world view?

thanks, Jamie.

Jamie,
I hope you are clear on the fact that I agree totally with your statement.
CJ

CJ

I told you they were scary. It is literally a 180 degree mind set of people who truly believe that government (except when doing what they want) is the problem.

They are terrified by the prospect of a black President and a liberabl Congress. Don't think for a second that they aren't dangerous.

My health care ad:

Camera closeup of a big glass jar, sign includes a photo of a very sick little girl. "Help Susan Get Her Operation"...camera pulls back, to show a Mini Market counter. People are rushing through the line, some drop a coin or two in the nearly empty jar. Image fades to a headline that reads: GOP Health Care Reform Plan.

Patsi, What's so sad about that, is that it's that bad.

Patsi,
Excellent.

Of course, if such a plan were enacted the crazy left would amend it to prohibit Susan's picture from being used on the jar out of privacy concerns. ;)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253262

Chloe
Very true.I see so many teens(kids) at the local parks along the river and ocean, selling themselves.I have been propositioned several times, sex for a place to stay or cash.Sad all you can do is give cash or a ride to a local shelter.It would be nice if are country had a true safety net for people in need,especially kids,

Patsi

Pick any local TV station in the nation. At the very least once a week they will cover the "human interest" story of a child needing medical care and a family needing support because a parent needs to quit work to become a care giver.

That is why I am so disgusted with the Republicans and Blue Dogs right now. It is absolutely criminal that the health of a nation is being held hostage by money grubbing, high living, profit motive insurance companies that contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the health care system.

They rake in the cash. Keep a third or more and then pay back out what they have to to continue to rake in even more cash.

No docotrs, no nurses, no hospitals, no medicines, not even so much as a bandaid. They make nothing, erect nothing, fix nothing. Just slurp up dollars and spit out pennies.

If you don't know about 211, you should. It may come in handy

http://thiseclecticlife.com/

Patsi...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/defining-the-coops.html#comment-253190

I think that Rachel has to talk like that as many don't even know that Hawaii is even a state and are very uniformed.

Let alone they believe all the misinformation that is given to them. So Rachel has to talk to them like children to get her point across to them.

Still reading last thread.

It's not protesters that are preventing the institution of Universal Health-Care, it's mathematics... arithmetic, to be more accurate.

Those who support it should be glad the discussion is being had in places like this, and all over the country. Rome wasn't built in a day, you know.

"Why paint everyone with the same brush?"

Hear, hear Ree!

".It would be nice if are country had a true safety net for people in need,especially kids"

Yes it would Tony.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253281

Rome may not have been built in a day, but they did achieve some progress in 60 years which is how long we have been trying to get affordable health care for Americans.

Ree

The Wiki is pretty comprehensive. At least it will give you a starting point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

Ree

Pay particular attention to the paragraph under health care. LaRouche is the source for the "Obama as Nazi" ugliness.

Chloe,

Just stopping in quickly, will check back later---but
tell 'his majesty'---on our way to lunch!

Are you taking the pickup?

"affordable health care for Americans."

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 11:55 AM

..."affordable"? Well, that's a whole different ballgame. I could get behind "affordable", relative as the term may be.

DL

The key to "affordable" is Non Profit and Huge Pool

You figure out how to get there. :-)

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 12:04 PM

I disagree. You want a huge pool to pay exorbitant costs? Bring costs down. That's how to get there.

No I want a huge pool to spread the risks over the largest possible numbers, and the largest possible numbers to negotiate for services and products.

There is no other way to brings the costs down for everybody.

Competition just doesn't work when it comes to health care.

As I believe has been pointed out here before, 20 - 30 cents out of every health insurance dollar goes to administration and profit for the insurance company. That is before a single penny goes to pay for the expensive health care itself. When people rail against any 'public option' or Medicare, think about that. Our for-profit insurance companies have only one mission -- to make profit for themselves. Everything else is designed to advance that mission. They have no particular motive to ensure affordable, effective, efficient, universal, compassionate, or any other kind of health care. Just profitable health care.

Hey everyone, Lard has a particularly nice post today (.. but aren't they all). http://seanholton.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/siblings/

"Bring costs down."
That's right, and that's the reason it can work.

Businesses are about profit. It's the nature of the beast.

Pickup truck, it is Coreen. We'll pick you up at noon, then on to get 'his majesty'. LUNCH!

Chloe,
And I have nothing against profit. I do have a problem that the marketplace does not work efficiently in providing affordable and universally accessible health care, which should be a fundamental right for the wealthiest and most powerful country the world has ever seen.

Me too Joe. That's why I want to see it taken out of the hands of those whose job it is to make profit 'above' all else. I was actually agreeing with you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253298

Ree,

Books, tapes, DVDs, contributions, anti semetic groups, right wing crazies and a whole lot of gullible.

This is the extreme end of the Anti Larouche forces, but except for the hyperbole pretty accurate on events.

http://lyndonlarouche.org/newamericanfascism.htm

Sea,

You guys are definitely getting the attention lately. NPR had another story about MV-OB.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112077028

Here's the Times article i posted the other day.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/fashion/16vineyard.html

"There is no other way to brings the costs down for everybody."

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 12:13 PM

Sure there is. One could start by eliminating collusion and double-billing. I'm sure there are other ways also, not just the one way you suggest, you being the nation's leading health-care expert.

"They are way too cozy with Corporate America."

Right on Ree, and it's been going on for way too long.

...how about subsidizing doctors to get them off the corporate-teet? There's another way!

[box] me

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253303

Ree,

This is why so many back single payer and public option. We don't want the government to run health care, we want them to be the "insurer" for health care.

This is my health care and everyone should have something similar

http://www.commhealth.org/

I talked to my dermadoc about single-payer; he's strongly in favor. Had his own back surgery tale of woe. In any case their three doc practice has four full-time people just to navigate the insurance gnarl.

"doc practice has four full-time people just to navigate the insurance gnarl."

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 12:42 PM

^4th way.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253307

The ones most likely to be corporate shills are the for profit medical groups such as those run by certain Republican doctors who can diagnose via You Tube.

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 12:49 PM

??? What the heck are you talking about? Every doctor I ever visited had free samples form some pharmaceutical company. Enough from me for now... I've made my points (6 of them).

Among the many aspects of the healthcare debate that has caused a lot of a lot of heat but not much light is the concept of rationing.

The fact is, health care is already rationed. It is rationed by quasi-regulatory agencies and it is rationed by insurance companies. You need a heart transplant? You won't get one unless you are considered a 'candidate.' What about if your doctor believes that everyone should have a full-body MRI every year? Rationed by the insurance company. CPR time in the emergency room? Guess what...someone decides you're dead eventually.

No matter who is paying, the government, and insurance company, your mom and dad, aunt Tilda, everyone sooner or later is going to reach a point that the scarce resource (money, hearts, machines) will be better utilized elsewhere.

So the cry that health reform will lead to rationing is specious. We're already, thankfully, there.

DL

I was talking about Bill Frist and the Terry Schiavo case. He and his family made their millions in for profit health care.

http://www.counterpunch.org/ginsburg07312009.html

Jamie...

http://www.counterpunch.org/ginsburg07312009.html

And don't forget that he also did experiments with cats as well.

Thought for the day :
" Home to a young boy is merely a filling station. "

But I'm not dead yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFXGwHsD_A

Ree

"not intruding into our lives"

What do you mean when you say this?

Jack

1660 Hubert Gautier engineer, wrote 1st book on bridge building
1872 Aubrey Beardsley England, artist (Salome)
1906 Friz Freleng animator (Bugs Bunny-Emmy 1982)
1921 Nancy Kulp Harrisburg Pa, actress (Jane-Beverly Hillbillies)
1944 Jackie DeShannon Hazel Kentucky, singer (What the World Needs Now)
1953 Joe Strummer [John Mellor], rocker (Clash-Rock the Casbah)

1560 Tycho Brahe becomes interested in astronomy
1680 Pueblo Indians took possession of Santa FÇ from Spanish
1831 Nat Turner slave revolt kills 55 (Southampton County, Virginia)
1841 John Hampson patents venetian blind
1858 1st Lincoln-Douglas debate (Illinois)
1878 American Bar Association organizes at Sarasota, NY
1959 Hawaii becomes 50th US state
1963 Martial law declared in S Vietnam
1988 Cease fire between Iran & Iraq takes effect after 8 years of war
1989 Voyager 2 begins a flyby of the planet Neptune
1991 Communist coup is crushed in USSR in 2 days

So what is a liberal Dumb-ikazee ?

I assumed the word is a take off of kamikazee

In the health care debate that is,
I see them all the time in national security debates.

Jack

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8213873.stm

And yet Sweden didn't dare to republish any Mohammad cartoons. Nor did Yale. The double standard is quite disgusting.

Joe, some points I agree with but your claim about rationing defies logic. Without increasing the number of doctors, adding the "47" million to the rolls will spread out service. Compare the MAss program to Georgia, Compare waiting time. Then take a look at the HealthyNY program which is a good indication of a "government" plan and see what they don't cover. Blue Cross said." You can't expect this basic plan to cover everything the more expensive plan covers".

Why is your logic faulty? If A is true then B is true? If we have rationing now, rationing can't get worse? Seems that is not supported. And as long as CBO challenges the cuts in Medicaid and Medicare proposed, you can't prove that there will not be MORE rationing.

I see few if any rejected the attack on Mackey at Whole Foods. The Lefty leading this charge told FOX he was a bad man. DO you think this will play to Independents? If the Democrats lose the majority in 2010 before anyone has the IQ to figure out how to enact the Healthcare plan, Republicans will throw up road bloacks. You cannot take such a bipartisan issue and make it a Liberal one. I suggest people are planning to compound problems, not be more realistic.

If you think Hillary would support such a move. I think you are dead wrong. Chloe getting the kind of treament that Sean is getting for everyone with the Democrat's thinking will not happen. If you think that our medical care system could have been created by government without corporate America and the idea of profit, you are wrong. I wish that people would not read into what Sean has said. I cost a fortune to develope the drugs he is taking. There are senible ways to reduce cost and the idea that some have in mind will turn out to be a disaster. Polls simply do not back up the Left's battle cry. I can post a thousand fantastic outcomes and the more people decry profit (excess is bad), the more this fight takes on the quality of the poor v the okay. The idea to enlarge the General Welfare Clause is exactly the warning Republicans make. Under that idea Goverment is supreme. Instead of stepping back and being non-ideological, Democrats are playing is all wrong.

The biggest joke is that Hillary would play it the same way and merely WIN.

Got to get back to join the working crowd......

Betsy McCaughey is a famous liar who famously lied about the Clinton health care bill back in the 1990s, who has returned to lie just as famously in the aughts about the Obama health care bill. Last night, she made an appearance on The Daily Show in a two(plus)-part interview with host Jon Stewart, which centered on her latest, greatest distortion: that the current health care reform package wending its way through the House contains provisions that would enforce draconian consultations imposing conditions upon both patients in end-of-life circumstances and the doctors treating said patients. This falsehood, first promulgated by McCaughey, later came to be colloquially referred to as "death panels."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/21/betsy-mccaugheys-ideas-ca_n_264970.html

Chloe,

Sean said that he was planning to switch to a business plan and was lucky not to have gotten caught in between coverages. Iam am moving to a business plus one plan and will enjoy similar coverage. I do want costs to come down, but I do not see where Sean said the public option will do that. I did not see him vilify his care or treament. In fact, he is lucky to enjoy the coverage. The question is whether his coverage is realistic for evey American or that lowering costs come by vilify all profit and eciding the unfair advantage of government programs can really improve the private sector but rather destroy it.

Work break ends....

"Without increasing the number of doctors, adding the "47" million to the rolls will spread out service."

Max the 47 million is an insurance problem. Doctors don't do insurance.

As to the 47 million suddenly becomeing voratious consumers of health care, why would you assume that?
They get health care now and either (like BW) pay out the nose for it or have their eyes glaze over at the size of the bill and walk away from it.

Jack

McCaughey keeps telling Stewart that the offending language is on page "432" of the bill , ( She had the bill in a large binder in front of her. )
We see her repeatedly thumbing the pages looking for it, at which point Stewart suggests she use a post-it note to mark the page.

Some of the most amazing TV you will ever see is this interview.

The State Department has approved the construction of a multibillion-dollar pipeline from Canadian oil sands to refineries in the United States, prompting an outcry from environmental groups opposed to oil sands development.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/20/AR2009082004008.html

FLy by Posting..

The real question is why does it have to be a GOVERNMENT RUN Healthcare program to provide Healthcare to the US Citizens that want it?

Why only One Option - is No Option from the Obama / Pelosi machine...

Ask the right questions and maybe you can get a good answer for all

This has been Ping Pong with a quick post from the Chicago ORD AIrport

Get the FACTS...

http://rightscanrighttime.org/

And tell you representatives

"Which means they need to get the legislation right or the Supreme Court will kick it back"

As most of this stuff is established law and in existence today, (ex medicare , PELL grants)
I don't see where there is any danger of the law being over turned by the scotus.

Jack

Many countries could see swine flu cases double every three to four days for several months until peak transmission is reached, once cold weather returns to the northern hemisphere, said WHO's Western Pacific director, Shin Young-soo.

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1104ap_as_asia_swine_flu.html

I've always been puzzled by people being enamored with Whole Foods..

The downtown Portland store is very over-priced, revoltingly so; and has dirty, inadequate bathrooms.

I will admit they have a very good bread selection.

"The real question is why does it have to be a GOVERNMENT RUN Healthcare program to provide Healthcare to the US Citizens that want it?

Why only One Option - is No Option from the Obama / Pelosi machine...

Ask the right questions and maybe you can get a good answer for all"

Ping
It is called reality, leave your cave
You need to get out and find out what is really happening.

BTW where did you come up with such a bunch of nonsense

The left tried the "dumikase" thing in the late 1960s & early 1970s. It didn't work. (Google "Weather Underground" or "Symbionese Liberation Army," if you want an amusing history lesson.)

This nonsense damged the credibility of liberals for a generation. It's the reason the Dems are so tentative in exerting power.

The Republicans will suffer the same fate. Moderate swing voters will be turned off to "conservative" ideas for a generation because of the teabaggers, birthers, death panelists, and astroturfers.

Highest Ever Winter Water Temperatures Recorded Off Tasmania

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090807103907.htm

warren: Thanks. I was afraid everyone thought my "AP Breaking News" comment was real.

One thing is different about the " Dumbikazes ", when they crash into something, they just get up and fly away, leaving the burning wreckage behind.

Bob

El Nino
Yet according to NOAA it is not as bad as 1998.

Jack

Nash

Don't forget all the people running around quoting Chairman Mao.

Jack

Nash

the problem is there are more conservative types than were liberal type dumbikazees. So they look closer to normal.

Jack

Powerful Ideas: Beer Waste Makes Fuel

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090821/sc_livescience/powerfulideasbeerwastemakesfuel;_ylt=Ang0kuuQSbujJl3QA48Tgv4PLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTNkaHU4aG8yBGFzc2V0A2xpdmVzY2llbmNlLzIwMDkwODIxL3Bvd2VyZnVsaWRlYXNiZWVyd2FzdGVtYWtlc2Z1ZWwEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNwb3dlcmZ1bGlkZWE-

"Let alone they believe all the misinformation that is given to them. So Rachel has to talk to them like children to get her point across to them."

Anon -- I don't many of "them" watch Rachel Maddow.

Jack -
Seven months ago the El Nino hadn't started -

Tasmania records all-time record high temperature for the state

At 3.39 this afternoon, Flinders Island airport reached 41.5 degrees, an all-time record high temperature for Tasmania.

http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/tas/20090129.shtml
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41.5 C = 106.7 F

Circuit City played creepy teambuilding propaganda to self on deathbed

Near the end, electronics retailer Circuit City produced a series of shiny, happy video dreams for its employees to watch.

Fantasy: presenting Circuit City as a corporate self-actualization cult ("We're going to take Circuit City and make that brand very cool and very emotionally contained") will make a difference.

Reality: Circuit City replaced its skilled workers with kids on minimum wage, then shriveled like a plastic bag in an oven.

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/08/21/circuit-city-played.html

How many minutes do people in your city have to work to buy a Big Mac?

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/21/how-many-minutes-do.html

" they are saying "

" They " ............... knower of all facts. doer of all deeds.
" They " ................. know something " We " don't.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253285

Ha,Ree
It was a hoot looking over Gay Patriot blog from the link you posted.I don't get it,but to each his own.

What if a government plan such as medicare is offered & the doctors decide much like now that they don't want to participate --------------------

Idaho GOP Leader, Tea Party Organizer Arrested For Assault With A Deadly Weapon (a gun)

http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/idaho-gop-leader-tea-party-organizer

Max,
People shouldn't have health insurance because there are not enough doctors?

Huh?

The spiral bands of Hurricane Bill in the Atlantic Ocean fill the view as Expedition 20 crew members on the International Space Station look east-southeastward along the horizon.

http://tiny.cc/maLoE

Ree...
the first mate he got drunk....
and broke in the captain's trunk...
the constable had to come and take him away....

"Thanks. I was afraid everyone thought my "AP Breaking News" comment was real."
Nash..... ROTFLMAO!!!!
hey wait a minute..... that's happened to me a number of times on this blog....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253353

Bob, you're simply taking this Mac stuff too far!

Ree -
If there's one thing I've learned on the net, it's that when people tell me to google something to help make their point. It's a rabbit hole.

A variation on this is Ping's post back up the thread where he points to some site to get the " facts ".

When the mouse is clicked there's a page with a lot free floating bullshit that never, I mean never , points to the point the writer is trying to make.

the healthcare debate....

I'm beginning to feel like I'm caught inside the movie "Groundhog Day"....

Ree
I've only met two conservative gays and they live in my neighborhood.Rob and Phil are closeted,ok by me its a personal choice.They stopped by my house to get some ideas for a potential pool.I really thought like everyone they were father and son but they informed me they were a couple,but asked me not to say anything.It was fascinating talking to them about politics,they hate Obama and fear his Socialism.I asked them how do you vote for the Republican Party candidates when for the most part they hate the fact that you exist?Their answer; its gay people's fault the Republicans don't like them because they throw sexuality in their faces..I was dumb founded and at the same time insulted.I told them I thought it was about religion and the right wing nuts in their party.I didn't make a fuss.,live and let live.

Are You There, God? It's Me, Charlie

Town Hall reports that Crist was speaking to a group of real estate agents, and credited prayer notes in the Western Wall in Jerusalem with preventing his state from being hit by hurricanes during his time as governor.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/are-you-there-god-its-me-charlie.php?ref=fpblg

I wouldn't laugh about Obama and where he was born since Yahoo! ran a story about some Hawaiian's want their independence. Meaning: They no longer want Hawaii to be considered as the 50th state. That would swing the door wide open for those who question whether or not Obama is a U.S. citizen.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253369

Ha,Bob
I feel better knowing are Governor is keeping hurricanes away through prayer.I guess we should send him on that prayer trip every year..Oh golly..

Let’s See Who Else Owes Howard Dean an Apology Today
By: Blue Texan Friday August 21, 2009 10:59 am

http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/lets-see-who-else-owes-howard-dean-an-apology-today/

".They stopped by my house to get some ideas for a potential pool.I really thought like everyone they were father and son but they informed me they were a couple,but asked me not to say anything."

Tony -- One of the saddest things I ever heard about neighborhoods was a lesbian couple I know who were afraid to put out a Democrat's political yard sign because they believed they were just coasting by in their upscale neighborhood as it was....

wouldn't laugh about Obama and where he was born since Yahoo! ran a story about some Hawaiian's want their independence. Meaning: They no longer want Hawaii to be considered as the 50th state. That would swing the door wide open for those who question whether or not Obama is a U.S. citizen.

Posted by: Corey | August 21, 2009 3:50 PM

Same goes for Palin (married to a secessonist) and Perry of the famous I don't want Texas to be part of the USA anymore.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253368

Tony, there was a fella a few years back who used to visit one of my newsgroups--went by the handle Winston.

He claimed to be conservative. Said Ayn Rand was his hero and that she was right about things business.

He never convinced me--I think he was a liberal at heart. :)

So hoist up the John B's sails
See how the mainsail sets
Call for the captain ashore
Let me go home
Why don't you let me go home
Well I feel so homesick
I wanna go home

Kingston Trio, Ree, or Johnny Cash?

1953 Joe Strummer [John Mellor], rocker

The Clash - London Calling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lotkzHsIuoA

1944 Jackie DeShannon Hazel Kentucky, singer

Jackie DeShannon - When You Walk In The Room (Hullabaloo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JRv6iCCYQo

Beach boys

whskyjack: Leftwing "Dumikases" (1968)

My (college) freshman year girlfriend would not listen to the Beatles song "Revolution" because she said it "Slandered Chairman Mao."

"And if you go carrying signs of Chairman Mao,
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253373

Patsi
I understand where they were coming from.Its the fear of the unknown,you really never know how you'll be treated.I understood Rob and Phil,fear rules their lives.Phil works for NASCAR and he said if they ever found out, his job would be over..Sad and they would probably blame gays for that too..

Fleur.... LOVE that name and welcome to the blog...

the Beach Boys....

whskyjack: so we had to listen to the Stones.

I was willing to make that sacrifice "for the cause."

Ping

You seem to be conflating two terms. Public Option isn't healthcare run by the governemnt. It is insurance offered by the government. Single Payer isn't government run healthcare, it is substituting government as the payee instead of the insurance companies.

The only healthcare run by the government is the VA and military hospitals and services.

Even the community health care systems that are partially funded by Congress are not RUN by the government, they are run by community boards of directors.

Ree -
I am one of those folks who has no health insurance. If you have a cell phone please call someone who gives a shit about some arcane provision of the interstate commerce clause .

Fleur.... RR is right it is a good handle.

Craig -
Please delete Ree's 3:59 post as it is a cut and paste of the entire thread.

Ole Sea -
Buckle your chin strap :

Obama leaves Washington for 10-day vacation

CALGARY, Alberta, Aug 21 (Reuters) - Hurricane Bill could enter Canadian waters still packing winds of more than 160 km/h (100 mph) as it passes over one of the country's key oil production regions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSN216625320090821
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Here's hoping the engineers did a good job of designing those rigs.

It seems as if he's working real hard at breaking W's out-of-town record. Not really, nobody could break the time spent in Crawford/Purgatory.

I just sense that he's really got to spend more time forging alliances with important people who can help further his agenda, whatever that might be today. And, I mean people other than those from Chicago. And, I mean take them fishing or go play golf or bake a cake together. Establish genuine rapport.

Rising sea levels endanger Egyptian food supplies

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/21/climate-change-nile-flooding-farming

"Craig -
Please delete Ree's 3:59 post as it is a cut and paste of the entire thread."

cbob, glad you clarified that for me.... tho't for awhile it was max and he had gone bonkers on a mega multi-party massive missive.

C-Bob said: "I am one of those folks who has no health insurance. If you have a cell phone please call someone who gives a shit about some arcane provision of the interstate commerce clause ."

And I am one that had insurance until I needed it, then got screwed out of it. Count me along with C-Bob as another who does not give-a-shit about Republican talking points.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253328

This is exactly what Sean said, and what I was referring to:
"I can’t imagine how someone facing a fight like this could do it without insurance. It seems to me that when medical knowledge and treatment are available, having a good job or not shouldn’t make the difference between life and death. That said, until health-care costs overall are brought under control, I’m not sure how cases like mine logically fit into any actuarial model. So those folks in Washington better quit namby-pambying around and get this whole thing figured out, whatever it takes."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253391

Flatus
Good post! It could be too much Rahm and Axelrod?

"bake a cake together."

If that doesn't bond them, I don't know what will. :)

HOUSTON — Natural gas prices plunged on Thursday to levels last reached in 2002 after an Energy Department report showed that the amount of gas in storage had hit a record high for this time of year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/business/energy-environment/21gas.html?em

Ree,

I only agree with about %8 or so of what you might say on any given day, but I'll admire anyone who can take on 6 or 7 other commenters at once without getting flustered. Kudos.

Hey all
Thanks to all the talk about cornbread,i baked some for dinner.NO SUGAR.My grandmother used too call the sweet stuff, Johnny cake..

Ree -
Let explain more it clearly , I don't care what you're saying .

Just as many here don't give a rat's fuzzy butt what I post.

C Bob

Do you have a picture of that rat's fuzzy butt? It might be interesting. :-)

Tony -
" Johnny cake.." ......... thanks always wondered about that one.

Try it with peppers in it, ( no sugar )

Jamie -
Other phrasings :
hairy bottom
fuzzy sphincter

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253401
I admire that too. I don't know how you do it Ree.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253405

Bob
I put diced yellow onions and corn in the batter of this cake.I'll try the peppers next time..Thanks...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253397

Indeed, Chloe -- and I liked the way Alicia put the problem when she said "Why get the mammogram when I can't afford the cancer?"

McCaughey Resigns (Thank you Jon Stewart)

A New Jersey medical device company, Cantel, just announced that Betsy McCaughey -- the day after sparring with Jon Stewart -- is "resigning to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest during the national debate over healthcare reform."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/21/770574/-McCaughey-Resigns-%28Thank-you-Jon-Stewart%29

Ree...
sometimes people around here argue just for the sake of it.... and sometimes they argue because they hold their views passionately.....

but you are as much as part of the TrailMix family as anyone else....

I LOVE horses' fuzzy noses.....

Chloe,Patsi
I agree.My moms 4 and half year cancer battle bankrupted her,really.Mom had Blue Cross too..If someone had asked me before her battle, I would have been one of those that said I was satisfied with my Medical coverage..That's why when i see the poll that says 83% are satisfied with their medical coverage,i say to myself yes but have they actually had to use their Insurance?

Well off to the spark lab ..........

I have some jell-o I need to pop rivet to the wall.

satisfied with their medical coverage,i say to myself yes but have they actually had to use their Insurance?

Also see hurricanes and car wrecks.

"satisfied with their medical coverage,i say to myself yes but have they actually had to use their Insurance?
Also see hurricanes and car wrecks"

Yep -- I thought mine was okay until I broke my shoulder....

One more thing ,
Several years ago I wrote here about an old friend of mine Dave Nordal.

Here's his story about going to work for Micheal Jackson -

Michael Jackson's personal artist shared pop king's vision

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-08-20-jackson-paintings_N.htm?poe=HFMostPopular

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I was going to Santa Fe a lot in those years, and saw many of these paintings as David worked on them.
Damn small world isn't it ?

Ree, why did you copy and paste the enitire thread? Now deleted.

You go Diva, that's a beautiful thing!
Rez- thanks for the links. you'll see for yourself soon enough.
Cbob- did you see when he is arriving? it was a lot more fun with the clintons' . we all knew when they would arrive and it was great fun to greet them at the airport. i even went the day after the confession.speech

What I want to know is when did

YES WE CAN

become

WELL WE MIGHT

i even went the day after the confession.speech

which confession speech OSH? :)

My (college) freshman year girlfriend would not listen to the Beatles song "Revolution" because she said it "Slandered Chairman Mao."

"And if you go carrying signs of Chairman Mao,
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow."

Posted by: Nash2.0 Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 4:08 PM

...her loss. The question is: did she "make it" with you, thus proving Lennon wrong?

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 6:04 PM

...January 20, 2009. Same as usual.

uht... I caught that, Craig! Very sneaky.

Shutting up now.

No need for the left-wing media - i.e., everyone else but FOX and the nut jobs on the radio - to do the hit jobs on the Bush Administration.

These accusations from insiders is damning - and there are only the big dogs to come... Should be interesting - at least it will give us something else to talk about!

And yes maxtrue - I cherry picked that article. Thought it would be big news - or at least a big story.

I mean Cheney shooting someone in the face - was not "big news" for our Country (at least after we heard, "oh, it's his friend ; ) So no real implication for our national intersts - but a big ole political how-down of mammouth proportions. Cable news is often too much like Us Weekly.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253382 "My computer is flickering and giving me trouble."

Craig, Did you see what Ree wrote at 409. It doesn't seem impossible to me at all. What motive could she possibly have for doing that purposely.

Remember the time everyone's posts were in bold the whole weekend. Stuff happens.

Hasn't anyone every gone to highlight one paragraph, and the whole page ended up getting highlighted. I've had it happen on this blog before, but I saw it before I hit copy. Also, if you don't preview, all you see is the last part of your post in the box, and wouldn't notice how long it is.

Chloe, I simply can't understand how someone could copy and paste an entire thread by accident -- and never acknowledge the mistake. If that's the case, so be it. I would like to hear an explanation from Ree.

She probably hasn't even seen your posts yet Craig. She's a very reasonable, smart person. Give her a chance, she's not here as often as some of us.

Chloe, i defer to your grace and await her response.

Thanks.

An aide to former U.S. House Majority Leader Richard Armey was indicted on corruption charges in connection with disgraced U.S. lobbyist Jack Abramoff, including taking free sports tickets and helping his clients with a government contract.

Horace Cooper, who served as a legislative counsel to Armey, was charged with conspiracy, concealing his actions, making false statements and obstruction of justice, according to the indictment filed in U.S. district court.

http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/08/21/aide-to-former-house-republican-leader-indicted-in-abramoff-case/

Craig....
I agree with Chloe. Ree said her computer was flaking out. I think she hasn't responded to you because she can't.

Time for a scotch-whiskey. Who's with me?!

It's the dog days of summer and Labor Day is staring us down like a wolf.

Excuse the length Craig, but at least this Dumbikaze did not not cut and paste more than the link below:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/us/21intel.html?_r=1

1. Blackwater

Blackwater has been playing a vital role in many operations and will continue to do so as military forces have been stretched thin. Some Democrats have characterized this private corporation as Storm Troopers incarnate, but numerous governments and American agencies have sub contracted out vital work to them, in fact often proposed by Democrats who like to less less use of DOD forces.

2. A regulatory response (Hillary favored this)

Again, the question here ought to be a non-ideological regulatory one. Instead of vilifying private companies versus the impossibility of an all-government run security and special ops strategy, regulatory reform offers a solution. Reality trumps partisan characterizations even if they contain grains of truth.

3. Executuve and CIA v Congress and Dumbikazes

Thus the executive/CIA will still butt heads with the Congress over Blackwater and with the latest wiretap ruling, it is clear the administration understands vital requirments in the war on man-made disasters. I suspect Obama's foreign policy, Healthcare reform, Energy and Climate targets are all tests. So far Obama has never stood up in a significant way to Liberal Pressure. His fast paced agenda represents LIberal Change a la the New Democratic Party he united in his campaign of Yes We Can.

4. Hillary, Dumbikazes and Blackwater...(speculation and fact)

On the other hand, Hillary often would not hide her contempt for the New Left. Her contempt for Right Wing conspiracies is well known, thus making her allergic to the extremes and often their target. Her rejection of the further Left was one reason why she would never apologize for her decision on Iraq. You could see it in her eyes. She built up a resume over these last several years as a Senator that was centrist in security matters and bipartisan in domestic areas, usually trying hard to wed realism with Liberal Principle. She also refrained from using Nazi or Brown Shirt and rarely boasted certain victories on any issue. She knew damn well that Asharif who thwarted our hit on OBL and got exiled by Musharraf, was part of the "enlightened moderates" her campaign rivals were certain would bring "progress". She knew damn well how free an Iranian election was or what role Quds played in murdering Jews in Argentina. That was one reason for her support of the Kyl Bill. As for Blackwater, she always recognized the need to suppliment military force with sub-contractors but would support better regulatory and accounting enforcement.

5. Regulations and Enforcement via the non-ideological Borg approach (latter day Clintonism)

Again the driving non-ideological theme here being reasonable regulations and enforcement. That cuts through Republican defenses. I rather doubt Palin or Rush would be taking on the Clean Water Act any more than a Blackwater Act. Let's face it, there are many who are indignant about being non-ideological and seeking change in such a pragmatic and calculated surgery. Not until all the evils are changed and we have things the way they ought to be, Liberal Dumbikazes can serve as the New Democrats Blackwater .

6. The game of partisan chess (media loves a fight)

Advantage GOP as their leadership is less inclined to moderate their Dumbikazes than many Liberals who get quite angry seeing the same Dumbikaze crew at work that sank Hillary's ship. I'll watch Maher tonight and see them out in force.........

Chloe, I am hyper-senstive to the possibility of any mischief on our blog, so forgive me if i overreact.

"Time for a scotch-whiskey. Who's with me?! -- Posted by: warren"

i'll join you warren, if Kentucky bourbon is OK

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253397

Chloe you can take what you want from what was said. Until we bring down costs can we expect similar treatment to be available with anyone with a job. I do not see how that speaks to a public option. It may be that the non linear butterfly government unleashes could easily push that noble goal in the wrong direction.

I will wait to read more before I speculate on what others said, but I think you are doing some speculating yourself in your orginal take......

Craig, the first link and the last paragraph might convey the point. I am glad my posts have destroyed you. You move right past them.........

250? I'll keep that in mind.....

She's a very reasonable, smart person. Give her a chance, she's not here as often as some of us.

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Hear , hear .

Dumb moves are the last great bastion of bipartisanship.
If I listed all of mine , it would crash the servers.

Perfect!

Don't know if this has been posted before...damn good article on single payer....

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/why_the_us_needs_a_single_payer_health_system.php

Max -
We all have the attention span of gerbils now.

http://www.rr.com/home/home/article/rr/9000/8678180/Officials_Slain_ex-model_IDd_by_breast_implants

Gees...I guess Megan is lucky she didn't pick this monster. Bravo must be feeling rather proud of itself.
Every time I hear about rich CEO's I think of some other people who make quite a bit for even less.

(40 + link)

Is that due to age Bob, or the political discourse going on?

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http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253438
It's your blog and I don't blame you one bit Craig. It's a nice place, one of a kind, and I understand why you want to keep it that way.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253440

Max, I have no argument with you. I can't even remember how this started, but all I was pointing out was that Sean clearly understands people problems, and realized how lucky he is to have the good coverage he has. It sounded like you were using what he said to strengthen some point you were making, and I didn't think you should do that. I quoted what he said, because that way it's his words, and not you and me paraphrasing and interpreting his words. I'm not trying to prove anything here Max.

C-Bob

Gerbils have less to pay attention to.

Craig
I'm glad you reconsidered and listened to Chloe.Ree seems very reasonable and nice.I thank you for all you do and for cleaning up are mistakes! Oh and providing us a home...Hey I'm a good cleaner if you ever need a hand,let me know,no charge..HA

" Painting with too broad a brush "

I always go for the industrial size paint roller. You can cover more in less time.

Yeah Chloe, I forgot the objection. I thought you had taken Sean's words as advocating something perhaps you hadn't. No doubt, the good soul he has, expanding life saving treament to all is an obvious cause. I feel the same way too. I was and will argue means. That's all....

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http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253436

Ha,Warren
If we lived closer on insist on buying you that drink! I just got done doing some trim work in this heat and now I'm having a Killian's red in an iced glass with a few pretzels,yum...

Try a sprayer Bob. That's even broader in less time.

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Bass Ale for me Tony. It was pretty hot here today too. Hope you had a nailer and sun screen. A big hit in Chelsea...

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http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253447
Max -
" It's a combination of ingredients , unlike a doctor"s prescription. "

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253457

Hell, Bob, everytime I ask my doctor how to improve something, he gives me a whole list of suggestions. He says medicine isn't an exact science. Maybe he was just refering to billing...

(33 + link)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253455
Max -
Too much over spray, and masking involved.

"Time for a scotch-whiskey. Who's with me?!"

Warren! You dog! I adore scotch....and my stomach just doesn't tolerate it these days. Dang! Getting old SUCKS!

Hello Max

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhb97ITGVkM

Max -
Go back to long rambling, less annoying than word counting.
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http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/08/bring-on-the-liberal-dumbikaze.html#comment-253446

And you don't think that jackass should not be paying an extra 1-2%!!

The amount of money that gets pissed away by the irresponsible offspring of the wealthy is mind-boggling. And then think of all the money that the responsible kids of rich people spend.

Too bad the Dems lost one of their most effective populist talkers. There's still 2 Americas.

(And don't forget the GOP went in for the kill on Daschle and took out one Obama's most powerful assets on healthcare. Clinton, as Sec. of State, has a limited portfolio. And Obama can't be seen as looking for the Clinton's to tag-in. The Clintons could speak about this as an international issue though. About how we need to set an example for the word - as the wealthiest and most powerful Nation - that people should have good, reasonably-priced, and accessible healthcare - and to do that - people must be insured so that an small amount comes out of their take-home pay - to save for a rainy day they have never thought of.)

"Hope you had a nailer and sun screen. A big hit in Chelsea..."

Say what?Whats a nailer?

No worries Patsi. Just have a beer!

Well the jell-o has jelled , now where's my pop rivet gun ?

I am having a johnnie for ya Patsi. (Hope you like it ; )

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Warren
I think your right about the President and the Clinton's regarding healthcare.I was thinking about yesterday, when George S.(ABC) was saying Obama might send the Clinton's out on healthcare.I don't think it would be a strong move for him.It might be perceived as weakness..

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Patsi,

Data presented is fairly old and despite the private insurance numbers and behavior which I find troubling, I do not see the clear logic of their solution. Democratic proposals are also troubling to doctors given the quality ratings and history of past reembursements. When you are talking about the elderly, you are talking about a government run system, yes? Common sense would seem to press for caps of some sort and RULES given these corporations must be licensed by the State in order to operate.

(86 + link)

No doubt tony. The right will perceive it as weakness no matter what. I still think it is a dicey proposition. I think Obama needs to win this battle himself - and then on down-the-line he can reach out to the Clintons.

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Tony,

For you a "nailer" is either a successful stud or a device that fires nails into wood, commonly used to secure trim to the underlayment. Now you walking around today in Chelsea covered in sun screen and a nailer in hand would have got you many fans, if you catch my humor.

Bob,

Thank you. I was doing the word count for self-control therapy. Funny, everyday I walk past CBS I get stared at by a huge poster of Dr. Phil......Hell, the count did produce the longest series of short responses I have every graced TM with.........

(suspended)

I wondered what the heck was going on earlier. I couldn't read the thread. The local news said that a teenage boy from Portage, which is near Kalamazoo, was beaten up by a 15 year-old boy and a 16 year-old boy a few days ago. The boy said he is homosexual and the other boys yelled several anti-gay slurs at him while they were beating him. Yet, the police have determined that this does not fall under a hate crime. in other news, two members of a Hollywood film crew were robbed in Detroit by 2 teenagers who were armed with shotguns. They got away with a cellphone and 2 wallets. The police caught both kids later. One kid was shot after he was cornered by police and he pointed the shotgun at them. He was shot in the shoulder and will be okay. The violence in Detroit has been out of control lately.

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If Hillary was in the Senate she could be leading a charge right now. Leadership wanted her out and offered her Secretary of State. Obama followed that up with a series of special envoys and reps that diluted her force while Democrats delayed her own appointments. She has yet to visit Israel and cannot be looking forward to negotiating with either a terrorist Defense Secretary in Iran or a terrorist Security head for Fatah.

In any case, it would be a sign of weakness to have Hillary stump for healthcare. You could tell from her last interview on the subject a certain bitterness remains from the campaign on this issue and the pressure she felt to leave Congress. That's just my opinion.

The time Obama needed Hillary was mapping the strategy from the start. That doesn't look like it happened any more than Obama consulted Hillary much on dealing with Iranian elections.

Better Bob? I aim to please.......

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HA,Max

Got ya!! I need some of that every now and again,maybe I'll go to Parliament House in Orlando and try that!,HA...You so Funny! Seriously that tradesmen look is a killer with gay guys...Ha and if you have a hairy chest,well..You are good Max cause you make me laugh!!

If Obama gets healthcare through on a party-line vote - it will be good politics if they win the ensuing message war - made even more bloody by the 2010 elections.

If some how nothing gets through - like immigration. (I still can't believe all that hard work was left on the table...what kind of job do you do that at?!) - the GOP is back from the wilderness and on the prowl again. Palin looks like a hawk and T-Paw is the moderate-minded leader.

Or - Obama makes history. And in the wake of a marked lack of progress - due to demagogues - on both "sides" Barack passes a bi-partisan bill which this Country unites behind to make a success.

Or else we just start taking our positions for the next battle.

Sorry folks, but I think party politics is born of convenience and often breeds division. If Obama can't unite this Nation. He will have no chance with the World.

maxtrue

That is always what I thought Obama shoulda sold Hillary for the election.

But guess what healthcare was critical then. And no matter what the politicos say - progress was made.

Right now the most critical theater is international. And the Clintons are right where they need to be if you take the long view.

"She has yet to visit Israel and cannot be looking forward to negotiating with either a terrorist Defense Secretary in Iran or a terrorist Security head for Fatah."

Your true colors come out. I trust Hillary in the room with all of the above.

Congressman Anthon Weiner of New York..This guy has more spunk that the entire White House.

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I agree with your opinon Warren. If they ram this through, implimenting such a bill in the wake of poltical blowback in 2010 with little of anything by then to show as a success will be a mess regardless of the short term victory now. There will be problems with constitutionality as well as the mess writing a coherent bill fast under reconcilliation standards.

How Obama can pull a post-healthcare Clinton move would be a far more lasting victory.

Secretary of State is a perfect fit for Hillary.

I believe that Obama selected her because he felt she would be effective.

"I trust Hillary in the room with all of the above."

Me too.
"If Obama can't unite this Nation. He will have no chance with the World."
Warren
I think your wrong.You set to high of a bar for the President to meet.This country is divided and I don't know of any leader that could bring down those walls.The divide is too large.I know from talking to my friend in Australia and my friend Daneil in India,Obama is loved and respected in other countries.Now if your talking about some of the Muslim nations well, Obama's no different than any other American leader would be...

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Oh, I agree. I was looking at it from Obama's view, but from Hillary's I see her taking the SECSTATE despite the insults and exile was the shrewder move, especially if Obama falls apart. And yes, I rather have her on the front lines of foreign policy too.

He could have kept her in the Senate until after healthcare since he hasn't needed her SO MUCH at the moment touring around the world. Then he could have replaced his SECSTATE in a time of needed recalibration using her to send a new signal. This could have created a different outcome for Obama in the NY Senate race......

Another what if.......and I see some problems with my conjecture..

No doubt OD. Obama is nothing if not a smart man.

Much more like the senior Bush and Clinton in that respect - as compared to W. That guy shouldn't of been elected president of his frat much less this Country . . . twice people!!

Tony, they love Hillary and Bill too.

Craig

I've seen the cut and past the whole thread before, so I know it can happen and I suspect much as Chloe described.
As I recall the person noticed it and apologized and ask it to be removed.
Ree may be very embarrassed right now if she even knows about it.
I have enjoyed the fact that Ree has gone from a cut and paste drive by poster to a commenter offering opinions. I've enjoyed it even if I don't agree.

Jack

But I kid. I probably woulda voted for him in 2000. I was eligible - didn't pay much attention - but Bush seemed to have the best policy towards China and campaigned on a modest foreign policy.

Plus, he spoke to Middle America and Gore was way to ivory-tower - even though W was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth.

But - I did not vote. I voted against the Iraq war in 2004. And did that again in 2008.

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OD
Agreed.I really have enjoyed hearing him and I wish the administration would co-opt his message...

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I don't know what you mean. She can't be looking forward to talking to any of those I mentioned with one arm tied behind her back or policies that make it hard to reconcile with allies. Now with a stick or more policy control, I would put her in a room with anyone including Bill or Obama.

Perhaps that indicates my "true colors" Warren. And I rather doubt you championed Hillary more than several others here including me.

Why is Dean the only spokesperson the Democrats appear to have on healthcare?

Jack

And that is short hand for the NeoCon American Exceptionalism that has dominated GOP politics in recent times.

It is no doubt a poll-tested term crafted by the elitists to somehow characterize themselves as the true patriots.

Patriots don't cling to power.

I notice that I have a better voting record as a Democrat than most everyone here. I voted Republican for only one person in my entire life and it wasn't Reagan or Bush 2, nor NIxon (too young).

Maybe the "true colors" standard might have some validity.......

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Tony

The way America is perceived is more important than the way Obama is perceived.

That is what makes this Country great. Barack is a damn fine example of the American Dream.

Mr. Obama goes to Washington. And he is not a manchurian candidate. He did not "steal the election." Heck - it was even close. And America elected him our President.

And when Obama got elected things were fucked. And now things are a little-less-fucked. So I'm happy.

"one arm tied behind her back or policies that make it hard to reconcile with allies."

What Sec. of State doesn't have one arm tied behind their backs?

And what "policies"?

Flatus, Has the death of the former president of South Korea been a sorrowful event for you and your family? I've been meaning to ask, un-successfully obviously.
My condolences, if so. The news seemed to be positive about him.

Sloop John B -? Kingston Trio, right next to Scotch and Soda.

Tony,

Hairy? Though not a gorilla or brillo pad, I do need to stay trimmed. Ha....you're funny too. One gay guy told me once that if I set a cam up on a worksite and aired it live on cable, my crew would be top rated in the Village. I am suprised someone hasn't marketed the idea yet. Just guys at work. So simple yet so....

Bank of America just called me for a quality survey. Boy did I let them have it. They asked me how I liked their accidental death insurance. Got that? Do I like it? I said given the fact I never requested it from their vendor and only noticed it after checking their debits into my account, they get a 2 on the scale of 1 to ten. Maybe after I die and they pay out, I'll give them a better rating...... Now really. How have I liked their accidental death policy?.......

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Max
I really appreciate your info and support of the Clinton's.Thanks.Your true colors,ha, you can't be summed up by colors..

"And I rather doubt you championed Hillary more than several others here including me."

You must not listen much. I did my best to tear down the HRC Machine. I thought the campaign was fake and Hillary didn't find her real voice until it was over and she was able to throw off politics. (Much like New Hampshire). And i woulda voted for her in a heartbeat against McCain.

I agree that Ree probably had trouble with her computer. I got the new IE and can now highlight very few things with out taking the whole caboodle. I'm close to calling and getting my old IE back.

Warren, I must eat, but please, let's not go over the strange policy used up until recently regarding Israel and the fast track to peace. I have supplied many links here. Obama's policy in the Middle East was predictably lacking and Debka is always an interesting place to hear it from the Israeli side as opposed to the several Lefty newspapers in Israel. Gee, I wonder why Obama's favorability in Israel sank to 6% while Hillary enjoys a far greater plus.

If the President has no stick, neither does his SECSTATE. I rather doubt Hillary thinks negotiating with a terrorist has no preconditions. Hillary would be more formidible unbridled. That was my point. Realism ought to replace wishful thinking.

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I was listening and also being sarcastic Warren. Oh, she just found her voice? Sorry Warren, I followed her career, but you notice I haven't said I told you so. And I won't.

You need a machine to get anything done Warren and we can all watch what Obama's machine has wrought.

"Why is Dean the only spokesperson the Democrats appear to have on healthcare?"

Cause Daschle - a guy who drove an old beat-up car for years and knew this stuff inside out (esepcially the Senate) was effectively labeled as a tax cheat and put on the sidelines.

The Dems shoulda never given up on that one.

Sure enough bethy!!

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Hi Corey
Sad to hear about the hate crime against that gay youth.Sadder yet it isn't classified as such by law enforcement,not surprising.The last time I went through Detroit it was really sad for me.I was headed to Henry Ford museum and all I can say is it looked like a bomb had went off!! I had went there in school as a child and that was my last memory.Why have we allowed this to happen in our country?

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Nope, Tony, being a cracker I tend to change color in sunlight.

I find it so funny to watch Obama supporters. I still regard the Clinton's with respect no matter their highs and lows. It is never about personality, but rather principles and efforts despite the flaws. They don't sop and wear their emotions on their sleeves often. The fickledness of Obamabots is that they always saw in him what they wanted to see. Maybe Hillary supporters share some qualities with her. Obviously many Obama supporters do not.

Don't worry Obama, HIllary supporters are there to back you up should you feel the need to reject the Left or Right and opt for "changes" sustained by the broad plurality of America. I can see why Obama hasn't moved on immigration...........too many Dumbikazes....

Who is Debka?

They don't stop and they wear their emotions on their sleeves often.

sorry

Is he like the Drudge of the Middle East? Or do you prefer to call him Max Hedroom.

Some megaphone that somehow gets their talking points from above. Give me a break.

"Nope, Tony, being a cracker I tend to change color in sunlight."

Ha,Max,me too.

Warren

they have 60 Senators, can't they find one secure enough to push healthcare?

Looks like nobody wants their name tied to this clusterfck.

Jack

"If the President has no stick, neither does his SECSTATE."

so do you think the "Axis of Evil" still needs to be beaten with "sticks" - cause if you do - we have a problem.

I heard people in the Middle East see all this talk of "carrots" and "sticks" implies they are some sort of donkey.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6229

and another center left blog that is great reading Warren:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/08/from-munich-to.php

Yep, Debka is bunch of security wonks from Israel, but they often get it right and before others. Totten is cool, goes to the countries he blogs about and voted for Hillary.

Jack:

Not if its a clusterfuck.

Ironically, the last clusterfuck, i.e. - the stimulus - seems to be working.

Perhaps we are just impatient.

max

i stand corrected comparing it to Drudge, Huffpost, Us Weekly, etc.

Try to check it out.

"One gay guy told me once that if I set a cam up on a worksite and aired it live on cable, my crew would be top rated in the Village. I am suprised someone hasn't marketed the idea yet. Just guys at work. So simple yet so...."

That gay guy was right.Baz(my friend in Australia) is obsessed with tradesmen.Its really an epidemic with us gay guys ,we like a mans man..Take it from me there isn't a shortage...Ah,yes you could probably make a shit load of money via the internet..HA, let me know the web address,,ha ha..

You're losing it Warren. Count to ten. Yep, you are quite right. The talk of having a stick behind negotiations is insulting because it implies Hamas, Ahmadinejad, Hizb'Allah, Fatah, Kimmie, Chavez, Castro, Assad, Hamas, act like jack asses.

I never thought of it that way. Now gestures are sure to work. As I said earlier, I am glad Hillary is near the front lines walking into the walking into the Congo of all places.

And its spelled Max Headroom. I didn't know that character had anything to do with blogging or speculation.

Did you have that drink yet?

I chose not to look it up. Figured you would get the point. I had a couple of drinks. Now it is time for food.

Oh - and I lost it a long time ago.

Well Bush/Cheney sure acted like jackasses and I say throw the whole lot out.

We already did our part over here.

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It is weird. Just take a cool worksite and do a version of this old Pre-War Apartment. Just have hours of work with occasional explanations off what is going on. One girl said Lesbians would love to see girls doing construction and that would certainly bring in straight men too depending how everyone was dressed. Normal people might even watch it for tips. If I can grow my way out of the gloom in NYC, I will be sure to keep the idea in mind. I just never realized to what degree hot men and women doing contruction could be marketable.......

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Good for you Warren. Thanks for the sparring. We might even converge in the end. Problem is that we are going through such a murky period. We all have goals, but man, it is strange in the world and I suspect multipolarity and our place in time have much to do with it. Everything is so "cusp"acious. (I just made that word up Craig....copyright it)

I gonna dig into my Bass Ales as I wait for the food to show up. Don't look back Warren. The road ahead is a full time preoccupation.

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Bethy, I think a lot of people saw him as something of a curiosity and a naif. But, he certainly was a better human being than his immediate predecessors. And we respect him for that.

But he wasn't a revolutionary leader like Syngman Rhee.

Or, to put it in American terms, he was more of a Jimmy Carter than a JFK.

Time to eat!

Tony

Back when I still framed houses we framed a house for a gay couple. About our age. One of them stopped by everyday to see what progress was being made on the house. He got a serious case of lust for one of the young men on the crew. It was obvious

, the guy was like a 13yr old who had never got laid. He just couldn't keep his eyes off of Johnny.
Poor Johnny, the Mexicans teased him forever about it.

Jack

Ok, you guys are still on health talk....I tooks it, and I can't takes it anymore.........Im going back to jokes.........

Health Care
Looking into new Health Care Plan ??

A wealthy woman was being shown around the hospital.

During her tour she passed a room where a male patient was masturbating furiously.

'Oh my GOD!' screamed the woman. 'That's disgraceful! ......Why is he doing that?'

The doctor who was leading the tour calmly explained, ..

I'm very sorry that you were exposed to that, but this man has a serious condition where his testicles rapidly fill with semen, and if he doesn't do that at least five times a day, he'll be in extreme pain and his testicles could easily rupture.'

''Oh, well in that case, I guess it's okay,' said the woman.

As they passed by the very next room, they saw a male patient laying in bed while a nurse performed oral sex on him.

Again, the woman screamed, 'Oh my GOD! How can THAT be justified?

Again the doctor spoke very calmly, 'Same illness, better health care plan.'
__________________

Had a cpl , of drinks with Warren.....it's his fault.......never told me when to stop......Warren, Warren.........

Nice one Solar! I am sending that one to my Aunt - she is the queen of truly tasteless jokes.

Watch this space tomorrow, to be revealed: THE MASK that protects and yet haunts Washington journalists. The truth is upon us.

Flatus, I was thinking as I posted that question, Gee, the only president of Korea I really knew about was
Syngman Rhee, apparently for good reason.

I've come to the conclusion that it is imperative that we know who administers the insurance policy available to members of Congress and anybody else who is lucky enough to have it - all the benefits and who the hell is handling this policy. What is the company? Why has no one demanded this info? It surely can't be considered classified info - they have to tell us.

Warren, one just for you pal.!

Ive been talking a lot about cash for clunkers this week; so one more won't hurt........

Democrats, realizing the success of the President's "Cash For Clunkers"
rebate program, have revamped a major portion of their National Health Care
Plan. President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Sen. Reed are expected to make
this major announcement at a joint news conference later this week. I have
obtained an advanced copy of the proposal, which is named....

"CASH FOR CODGERS" and it works like this...

a.. Couples wishing to access health care funds in order to pay for the
delivery of a child will be required to turn in one old person. The amount
the government grants them will be fixed according to a sliding scale.
Older and more prescription dependent codgers will garner the highest
amounts.
b.. Special "Bonuses" will be paid for those submitting codgers in
targeted groups, such as smokers, alcohol drinkers, persons 10 pounds over
their government prescribed weight, and any member of the Republican Party.
c.. Smaller bonuses will be given for codgers who consume beef, soda,
fried foods, potato chips, lattes, whole milk, dairy products, bacon,
brussel sprouts, or Girl Scout Cookies.
d.. All codgers will be rendered totally useless via toxic injection. This
will insure that they are not secretly resold or their body parts harvested
to keep other codgers in repair.

I forgot to bk Lard's blog, here is one for him.

2. Dog Complaints About Their Owners

1. Blaming your farts on me.... not funny... not funny at all!

2. Yelling at me for barking... I'M A FRIGGIN' DOG YOU IDIOT!

3. Taking me for a walk, then not letting me check stuff out. Exactly who's walk is this anyway?

4. Any trick that involves balancing food on my nose... stop it!

5. Any haircut that involves bows or ribbons. Now you know why we chew your stuff up when you're not home.
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last one:

The Eye Exam......

A man from Poland goes to the optometrist, who shows him a card with the letters: "C Z W X N Q S T A C Z".
"Can you read this?", the optometrist asks.
"Read it?", the man replies. "I know the guy!"

I'll bet CBob, Dexter, Patsi, Sturge will get this, maybe others -- for our pal Lard:

Bear Claw Chris Lapp:
"Watch your top knot."

Jeremiah Johnson:
"Yep, watch your'n."

If you missed Bill Mahar tonight ... Don't. It isn't very funny. In fact it is down right scary with the information on Blackwater. Chuck Todd took quite a beating on behalf of all media. He got a little touchy.

Worth watching

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Intriguing ... Do we get a hint about why the news doesn't cover the news?

The short quiz that maybe only Sturgeone will be able to pass

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/quiz/2009/aug/19/exams-in-literature-quiz

"the guy was like a 13yr old who had never got laid. He just couldn't keep his eyes off of Johnny."

Ha,yes Jack
Funny.True, gay guys are suckers for a construction worker(tradesman as the Aussie's would say).I refused to succumb,while building my house I stayed away during reg. business hours..I was good,no i was working!

I guess you wouldn't care to flesh that out a little Jamie. I don't get Maher anymore. Dropped HBO at home a while back because I was mad at him. Who were his other guest? Who was dogging Chuckie?

Craig, you got my suspense going now. Are you going to be up early?

Good jokes Solar. It's better to laugh about health care than cry about it.

CT

The guests were a Congresswoman, Jay Leno, chuck Todd and the author of the book "Blackwater".

There was a extended panel discussion over the use of mercenaries in Afghanistan and Iraq totally out of control of the military as well as Prince the head of Blackwater, the murders committed, the use of child prostitutes (as I said not funny).

There was a great deal of talk about the health care bill but more from the strategy and why the media covered noise and lies rather than actually rebutting the misinformation ... pretty much along the line of just because something happens doesn't make it news while things that are important (i.e. the Blackwater crimes) hardly get any coverage at all.

There were some fun bits if you consider Michelle Bachmann funny as opposed to scarey because she has a following.

Mahar was being pretty harsh, but I think the tempers were flaring a bit.

"dumbikazes" is too subdued a name for them.

Michael Moore's new flick.

TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhydyxRjujU

tt

Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | August 21, 2009 10:25 PM

Are you dropping pseudonymous commenting? That would stink.

Only a few times I heard it, addressed to me..."Doc! Over here, Doc!"---this when I was medic in a war long ago. Anyway, this deals with another topic, sort of, but I always get a lump in my throat when I read this poem:

http://www.poetry-online.org/kipling_gunga_din_w_insp.htm

I'm working on my pseudo faux nom de plume............

not WORKING, actually.........just kinda 'posin'..................

"Cause Daschle - a guy who drove an old beat-up car for years and knew this stuff inside out (esepcially the Senate) was effectively labeled as a tax cheat and put on the sidelines. The Dems shoulda never given up on that one."

Warren! Tom Daschle is so tied to big business lobbyists he smells! He has always had those ties. I don't trust him for a minute! And never have.

Reich speaks out on Gang of Six:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/why-the-gang-of-six-is-de_b_265684.html

"did you see when he is arriving? it was a lot more fun with the clintons' . we all knew when they would arrive and it was great fun to greet them at the airport."

sea, perhaps with the other bill blowing in they aren't able to announce an eta for a welcoming crowd. they should go by boat in that weather. and anyway our hawaiian pres would expect beautiful girls and boys swimming out to his boat with leis to greet him.

tony, liked what you did with your cornbread.
btw, the mention of johnny cake brought to mind it's origin as a "journey" cake. love the stories behind names for foods, harkens back to other times other lives, very visual. like "hoe cakes" being cooked over an open fire.

"the mention of johnny cake brought to mind it's origin as a "journey" cake. love the stories behind names for foods"

.... now that makes sense, patd. Journey, as in add sugar for more calories and energy, to get us through the journey.

Now ''hoe cakes", I'd be careful about saying that one, since 'hoe' has taken on a 'whole' new meaning, with rap.

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