Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

what's a wonkette? is that another name for nimrod?

The idea that Wonkette is a commentator is outlandish, not even a joke.

Craig: Two things, first, you already DO have an American accent. It's those flat Canadian sort of talk that need some spice.

And.

As you are I am sure a regular reader of Wonkette, that's not even CLOSE to an insult, so don't flatter yourself.

Well just to show them not all Liberals are flaming and what they bought into, let me repeat this:

Solar, if all you see in my posts is pushing for war, that is a problem involving your reading comprehension, not the content. Your constant apologies or denials of the very people at war with peace presently destroy the credibility you think you have. Feel good about voting for McKinney. It is a free country where people are allowed to meet in Chicago and pray that America becomes a Sharia land in which the Constitution is burned. Over our dead bodies will that however, ever happen. Maybe in England, but not here.

You aren't pushing for peace, you are an isolationist imagining human behavior is not what is actual is. You filter and twist news story to suit your emotions, not common sense. We would all be talking German or Russian or Chinese if our NSS was based on your realism.

All the money goes to war? Seems that the trillions Obama has earmarked is hardly going to war. And war and destruction? 200 million people have been slaughtered by jihadist in the last 1400 years. Over a hundred million were starved or murdered by communists. You focus on America and the Israelis as the root cause of war in your daily diatribe worthy of Kos or Huffington. Every time America retreated into itself we neither prospered nor were secure. Jefferson warned that we must protect the approaches of our markets and advance Liberal Democracy around the world.

The fatal flaw to your head-in-the-sand approach is that you ignore what active efforts we could do to prevent war. Instead of any recommendation here to "bomb", I have offered dozens of steps we could take. YOU characterize them as war-like, probably because I set red-lines that make them credible since we are dealing with some extremely difficult and troubled people.

Your love of anthropology is insincere if you think cooperation is not based on enforcement. Since Joe would explain to you why international justice is a myth, only the alliances of the Free working together to defend Liberty keeps the world on a pathway towards cooperation. Russia is hurting so we tell Russia we will counter their missile defense in Syria by one in Israel AND Poland. We take steps to pull the rug out on the regime in Iran like Carter did to the Shah. We threaten to remove our troops from Germany unless they curtail exports and imports to Iran. We give a deadline to Hamas to change their charter and ask the world why Jewish settlements are bad and expulsion of millions of Jews from most of the 57 Muslims nations is not. We aren't playing hardball which you incorrectly call warmongering.

You won't be happy until the crap hits the fan and then you'll forget all your wishful thinking and explain you didn't mean this or that. You show outrage at America and Israel without a fraction of that anger directed towards the bad guys. You have said nothing about a system of justice based on torture in China or North Korea. You say nothing about the daily perversions of jihadists. You want everything to be peaceful as though Mother Nature OWED that to you. Life isn't peace. That comes after we have ended conflict. We can't end conflict through capitulation. In 1939 you would have likely been a Republican antiwar activist apologizing for Hitler.

We all want peace. What gives you a leg up? Because you say things that have little practical value? Its like you're trying to build a house on quick sand or use balsa wood instead of pine.

But don't let me stop you, just don't try selling me that house

Welcome Economist. Hope you enjoy the show.

quote of the day from The Economist

Quote of the day

The F-22 goes down in a blaze of thriftiness
--From Democracy in America

The Cult of the Presidency: Voters expect the impossible, so politicians promise it

-- From Lexington's notebook

Max posts:

Joe, Palestinians elected a terror group. If you compare that to Israeli leadership you show a lack of discernment.

Max,
Cut the bullshit. I didn't say that. I didn't imply that. If you want to advance your point of view, do so honestly.

FYI
I know most have heard about this, here is a good article in the Wall Street Journal. I hope that Craig is one of the keepers!

Craig is right, trashy item.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124819324046969027.html#mod=rss_whats_news_us_business
Economist Group Buys Congressional Quarterly
By KEVIN KINGSBURY
July 21, 2009

Roll Call Group has agreed to acquire Congressional Quarterly, creating a Capitol Hill powerhouse with two of the Beltway's most-watched publications.

The deal, terms of which weren't disclosed, will create a new company called CQ-Roll Call Group. Roll Call is owned by the Economist Group, the London-based publisher of its namesake magazine.

Roll Call is buying Congressional Quarterly from Times Publishing Co., whose primary operations is the St. Petersburg Times and related assets.

Created in 1945, Congressional Quarterly has been a mainstay in covering Congress. Roll Call came a decade later to cover the legislative process.

The Economist Group bought Roll Call in 1992.

There are no current plans to eliminate products as part of the acquisition with "the great majority" of Congressional Quarterly's staff joining the combined operation.

Those departing include Robert W. Merry, the publication's president and editor-in-chief the past dozen years. Noting "one CEO inevitably becomes extraneous" in mergers, Mr. Merry plans to "pursue other publishing and journalistic opportunities."

The purchase is slated to close this quarter.

Write to Kevin Kingsbury at kevin.kingsbury@dowjones.com

"As you are I am sure a regular reader of Wonkette, that's not even CLOSE to an insult, so don't flatter yourself."

I'm not a regular reader and now I remember why. She's an idiot.

Patsi,
I'd put her (who is also a he) more in the category of a humorist. Not an idiot, but not to everyone's taste.

they were kind of cute back when they actually had a wonkette.......

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/harry-and-louise-switch-sides.html#comment-245244

Hey Patsi
I so totally agree! I listened on XM radio today to a Blue Dog,can't remember who and I thought it was a Republican at first...Why don't they get it at the end of the day if a healthcare plan isn't put forward and passed by Dems and some Republican's we lose,the American people lose!! 2010 isn't that far away...We need a single payer option(Hillary's plan) available to all....I hope we get it done..."Hope and Change" if there's no heathlcare plan its all BS....

Interesting piece in Mother Jones on selling health care reform:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/07/how-market-healthcare-reform

C-Joe -- She sure isn't a humorist to my taste. She just plays to the lowest common denominator. Reminds me of the B-grade high schoolers who sat in the corner and snarked.

Whew. Thank goodness that Brits are down with classic country. Otherwise I'd be doing the Lefty Frizzell Farewell--

Max,

I apologized to Jamie for misreading that one post....not my overall conversation. Now do you see why I did not accept that drink you offered the other day...I know people like you...u r only comfortable with others that think and agree with you. No thanks I buy my own.

"You can say that again!"...... I still say this ...my favorite saying...since I was a kid....just a cpl of days ago HA!

"thanks for pointing that out to a knucklehead!!"

...." that one I'm going to let pass."

You didn't ....smart ass.. haha

Who IS this Wonkette??? You ARE a priZe!!! AARRGG.......

Geeze...............

In other actual news:

Watch your credit card rates as they're likely to rise or be turned into variable rates so that you can have that higher rate after Feb., 2010 when the new banking law goes into effect. Those Repubs are greedy pigs, I tell you. It doesn't even matter if you've been a 'good' customer & paid on time. They're going to squeeze every dime out of you that they can before the new law, which they convinced Congress they needed to 'adjust' to the new law.

"Credit card firms try end run around new federal rules"
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090715-705663.html

"BofA, JPMorgan move cardholders to variable rates"
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE56800820090709

tt

TT,

Thats the thanks we get for bailing them out!

Nice Craig! The Economist is the No. 1 magazine to take on a plane with you to appear smart to your fellow passengers.

Craig I think that you are right......OLD CHAP.....

I remember when people were Afraid that the Japanese were going to own all of America, they were buying a lot of buildings etc. while all of the time it was reported that the Brits owned most of the foreign bought buildings and all.

SolarCrete, that's SO true.

Congressional folks are naive dolts....on BOTH sides of the aisle.

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/cq-rolls-with-the-economist.html#comment-245443

You can say that again!!

Now a GOP operative was saying that we shouldn't have a healthcare option because the DMV!!

First of all, my recent visits to the DMV has not been too bad. The place was busy but it was not the epitomy of inefficiency and incompetence that it is thought to be.

Second of all, I see no reason why a government run insurance program - not healthcare - could not be well-run.

There are many hard-working and skilled people in the federal court system.

Lawyers working for a 1/3 of what they could me making in the private sector.

Obama should combine this with a public service program. Encouraging young people and others to get involved - and help make the system work - instead of sitting on the sidelines complaining.

We are going to have to encourage people from the insurance industry to work for less - but will be able to participate in a system that focuses on the health of the patient instead of the bottom line.

(I haven't heard much talk about the infrastructure and employees for the public option . . . )

I am all for healthcare reform. But I am also in the don't rush this crowd.

"The lady that seemed to be “with” him (kind of a matronly type) was smoking a cigarette with dinner like it was the ’80s."

LOL Craig, Thanks for linking that. You're world famious!
(I sure hope you weren't inhaling that second hand smoke. :)

Don't RUSH health care???

The Clinton's were talking about it...how long ago?????

tt

... did I overhear some knucklehead here call me a smart ass? :J)

Carol,
Did they find out if one of your inmates really did have the new flu?

Craig, I forgot to ask if we're going to start seeing British pop up ads. If I'm not mistaken, our dollar isn't worth much over there still (guess I could check before opening my mouth, but..)

"I am all for healthcare reform. But I am also in the don't rush this crowd."

I agree with all that stuff you said Warren, but I'm all for rushing into health care reform. Like Tiptoe said, how long have we been waiting already.

tiptoe

If someone could make a clear case of:

-what the bill will contain

-how it will improve the healthcare system

-how much it will cost and how we pay for it

Then we could sign a bill tomorrow. I haven't heard that yet....

And all I am talking about is signing a bill in October instead of August.

"all I am talking about is signing a bill in October instead of August."

... Oh, ok then, that makes sense.

I was trying to hide that one Sally......you have keen ojos=eyes.

He put Emma on the pc ...I'll teach her Spanglish.

he = Hey!

"put Emma on the pc ...I'll teach her Spanglish."

You better believe I have keen eyes. I don't miss a thing. :)
I'm sure it won't be all that long before she's on this computer, and I'm also sure she'd love it if you taught her another language.

Joe, it would not be wrong to say that in your posts you set up a certain moral, even behavioral equivalence. Shall I quote all the passages? My objection to this is not my dishonesty in calling that out. Perhaps Jamie agrees.

Peace talks? How can the US demand a two State solution soon when crap like this takes place every week?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/21/gaza.wedding.explosion/index.html

Don't be so outraged Joe. I think I am capable of understanding what you have been saying. And I already mentioned my resentment at your suggesting that "moderate" Jews have nothing to add in the growing objection to Obama's policy toward's Israel.

Was that a failure on my part to comphrehend? Now let's not start throwing bombs at each other. I will take care you read your comments on the Middle East closely.

Holy Crap Warren. If Healthcare resembles anything like the DMV in New York, we're screwed.

Craig - the poster that wrote that comment should be shot. Or at least publicly caned.

The nerve of some people. I really think people who job entails gossip or papparazzi pics - should consider finding a new profession.

Page 6 is really all we need.

Chloe, We have about 5 cases of flu now. Only one was tested and that is no longer even recommended. I only sent that guy to the ER because he was immune compromised and he needed a quick chest x-ray because he had a low oxygen saturation.

He was positive for type A flu with the rapid test but it will take weeks to find out if it is H1N1. I suspect it is going to be but hopefully this will be all over by the time we find out.

All the hoopla about this flu is over and no one, besides us at the jail, seems to care about it now.
Our flu patients aren't as sick as those with the regular flu usually are. I hope that continues to be the case.

The biggest problem I had was that this new ER Doc gave the two security guards that brought in the inmate a prescription for Tamiflu. That caused problems because now some in security are freaking out. So far the inmates aren't going nuts. We'll see how things unfold.

I'm trying to keep things calm and that wasn't easy on two hours of sleep last night.

Oh Solar, I don't talk politics at a bar unless in Tenn when I've got my gun strapped on.

Think like me? You think I'm bomb bomb bomb Iran, which is of course wrong, so I am not certain I should respond to obvious misconception.

I can see you in a cave meeting telling the gang to leave their clubs at home. End of that clan's germ line.

Maybe one day you can tell me what significant factor has changed in human behavior that now discards the need for defense, justice, enforcement and all that stuff cooperation has required in the past?

But Solar don't get the wrong idea. You and I would have no problem coexisting. If the world was mostly you and I, there would be no war. And there would probably be a lot of bars......

"the poster that wrote that comment should be shot."

Shot? I can't imagine anyone reading that would not be thinking what an idiot the guy that wrote it was (even laughing at what an idiot he was) and certainly not take anything he says seriously. I don't think it reflects badly on anyone he wrote about, but says bad things about the write only.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/cq-rolls-with-the-economist.html#comment-245427

Very good post max.

(It is more coherent and less paranoid than usual. I had to at least throw in a back-handed compliment since the substance of the post is cutting down my man Solar. But you make some cogent points.)

Actually, Warren, my Wilson Quarterly gets more attention than my Economist. Another magazine I enjoyed reading was the London Spectator. For some reason I gave it up--don't recall why--about fifteen years ago.

The nice thing about the Economist is that they aren't all taken with themselves. And it's a World-Centric view of events.

But, they charge too damned much for retirees.

Good Luck ct....this winter might be hell....

write=writer

Carol, I assume you don't want the tamiflu for yourself?
This thing sure is going to keep you busy though. Hope you catch up on your sleep tonight.

"Maybe one day you can tell me what significant factor has changed in human behavior that now discards the need for defense, justice, enforcement and all that stuff cooperation has required in the past?"

Of course max - and only your point of view respects defense justice and enforcement.

The rest of us hippies are just sipping kool aid and singing kumbaya....

You're not the only one who knows how the real world works. And like all of us - you still got a lot to learn.

It says really bad things about the writer. Sounds like a vapid, egotistical, petty and shallow person. A wanna-be perez hilton.

Thanks Warren. I am not trying to get Solar to think like me. There is a range of solutions to the world's problems and good men and women will disagree.

I just get so annoyed with the constant apologist's denial the bastards of the world and any proactive efforts to thwart them, the wild wishing this and that were so when it is not. It is infantile and not worthy of a thinker like Solar.

I UNDERSTAND his sentiment. He is wrong to think I don't share it. The world is complex and still a long way off from the next level of enlightenment. The task is how to nudge a whole mess of nasty problems forward. Solar is like a doctor who recommends to his sick patient that he go home and pray when other more reasonable options exist that might even save his life.

I do hate nailing him though. I like Solar's intention, its just that his analysis and prescription is akin to lighting a match in a grain silo. Wishing will not make it so.

Warren, there is a great post I linked at Totten in the last Craig thread. There you will find an email-only analysis on Iran from Strafor. Extremely interesting and involves quite troubling moves by Russia. You might find it interesting because it suggests we need to consider a different approach to our foreign policy.

Anyway, read it if you will....... http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/07/marg-bar-fascis.php#comments

The article is further down the comment thread.

"Sounds like a vapid, egotistical, petty and shallow person."

Yep, and then some.
(don't forget mean)

You know Warren, comedians can be just as mean. That's why so many people are offended by so many things they say. It's funny to everyone, except the one they're insulting.

I can't imagine that Craig doesn't take these things lightly. He's linked emails he gets that are every bit as awful as what that writer said. If he took this stuff seriously, he'd probably have to get out of the business.

Yeah Warren, I think Bruno says it all regarding the Middle East. The peaceniks have been trying to have love ins with Hamas and Fatah for years.

And I bet I have spent more time being a hippie than you. But then that is a different story....

chloe

Yeah - it took me until college to figure out that there are some things just not worth saying - no matter how funny they are.

(but i suppose sometimes i still slip up ; )

Hey Carol,

Since your here, I saw this pilot promo/seek peek last night about a new show about nurses and of course thought about you and the discussion on NP, PA and MD.

It's the TV show Mercy, check out about 40 seconds into vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9zruhKjPVA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

max

I don't think "love ins" are on the same level as economic development and the advancement of women. I think it is undeniable that the latter will have a huge practical impact.

And yes - it is my view that peacefully and diplomatically focusing on such things - is the best way to speard democracy and stability in the Middle East.

Max,

"I can see you in a cave meeting telling the gang to leave their clubs at home. End of that clan's germ line."

Im not a pacifist...and would defend the cave women ( Chloe, Carol and all of em) ....would not want the women and children hurt. I would protect them... while kicking some NY high rise ass!

But thats the point Max....I would do it only as a defense...there is so much that U call for doing ....that doesn't meet this...ok that the last of it for me....Im going back to silly...for a while. Wanna hear a good joke ...or a bad one?....can you tell the diff. haha

.. me too Warren.
It's worse than slipping up for me.... I often feel misunderstood).

I really respect the fact that you took that so seriously though, in Craig's defense. I guess I was being kinda naive. I assumed he was laughing it off, but in reality, he may have be offended.

Thanks Warren, you made me double think it.

Hey Carol, I'm serious. Are you in need of the tamiflu? And how well does it work?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_AP_POLL?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I knew it would happen and this fast when Obama announced his mad rush to change America.

But I haven't thrown in the towel and I have NEVER said mean and nasty things about him. He has such a tough job. I think he has made serious mistakes, but like JFK, maybe he can throw some of his worst advisors under the bus and stop worrying if the Left OR far right end up hating him. He should shoulder up to Hillary and steer centrist.

You know, if he looks, he'll find that suit in the closet. Yes He Can, and he will once polls drop far enough.

I am betting he will come to his senses......

Warren,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/cq-rolls-with-the-economist.html#comment-245467

Thanks,,,,,,,,,I think.,,,,,,,I like going back to the comas once in a while.....But I will tell you what I tell my brothers and freinds...when they do the same....don't help me...I can goof me up all by me self! just kidding of course, amigo!

I am sure posts like that don't bother Craig.

If you translate it out of the snotty snarky tone it was written in - it basically said Craig was sitting around with some real folks having a good time and not wondering what the wonkettes of the world are thinking... I know who I would rather be hanging with.

So Solar, you are a General? You know the best way to protect us? You advocate waiting around to get hit and then what? Nuke the enemy? And you don't care about all those other cave families around the world? Bet you want global carbon levels enforced.

We did that and it led to ww1 and ww2. Jefferson didn't do that. Cooperation on a global scale requires credibility, alliances and sacrifice on "a global scale".

Had America not led, we wouldn't be here. Had we acted sooner over the voices of the Repiublican anti-war crowd, maybe more Jews, gypies and gays would have been saved from Hilter's slaughter.

And not only do you advacte waiting to get hit, while we wait you suggest gutting our military. You would abrogate defense treaties and laugh as oppression sweeps the world taking a que from our retreat.

Ron Paul advocates this.

Republican isolationists say this.

And your thinking is not supported by anthropological evidence I have repeatedly posted here for you to read. Cooperation is proportional to enforcement and punishment.

Got to run, but don't hate me.......

Think of me as that voice in your head question your certainty......

Hell's Kitchen is funny. Now there is a mad bastard, but he's a good chief.

Chef too.....

I know there's a reason why I liked the Spectator:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/5185908/it-is-the-narcissistic-middleaged-not-the-young-who-love-facebook-and-twitter.thtml

Oh Solar, I don't talk politics at a bar unless in Tenn when I've got my gun strapped on.~~maxtrue

Just don't carry your gun into any bars/restaurants in Oak Ridge, Max. The city council and mayor banned handguns in restaurants there. (The new law isn't hard and fast, thank goodness. Cities can ban them if they choose, and a lot seem to be choosing.):D

Rez, I'm been seeing that commercial a lot lately. It just came on a minute ago. I guess that series starts in the fall. I don't usually watch those medical dramas. I kind of want to get away from it when I get home. I already spend too much of my home time on the phone with work.

I've never worked in a teaching hospital but nurses who have, usually are teaching the interns and residents. They start out really green when they are at that level. They seem to be really green for a while after they start their practice. Experience does make a difference.

Chloe, I'm not planning on taking any Tamiflu unless I develop symptoms then I'll jump on it. I won't take any drugs I don't absolutely need. I'll stick with my vitamin C and good handwashing. I bet I've already been in contact with this flu for a while even before they even recognized it as significant.

Total Eclipse has started.....lots of scientist from all over the world, and others there to witness it....cool.

And remember petting a dog seems to be a good defense against getting sick and I do a lot of that. I just hope that my petting Maggie offers her the same immunity.

They are watching the eclipse over at India.....that is.

Max,

You say
"Joe, it would not be wrong to say that in your posts you set up a certain moral, even behavioral equivalence. Shall I quote all the passages?"

Sure, Max, I invite you to do just that. Only, make sure they are actually my quotes and not those where I am citing other's comments to make a different point.

And, you use the term 'equivalence' which is not the same as 'comparison.'

So, go for it.

If you can show that I set up a moral equivalence, I'll tell you I made a mistake. If you only point out that I said that there is fault on both sides, then I'll stand by it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/cq-rolls-with-the-economist.html#comment-245495

Solar

There is a long ballywood boy meets girl spectacular in that post.

I'll be damned if I can't smoke in a bar that you can bring a gun into...

Interesting and logical. .

"In addition, data from a Kaiser Family Foundation poll last year,. . suggest that the people who like their health plans the most are the people who use them the least.

Those who described their health as "excellent" -- people who presumably had relatively little experience pursuing medical care or submitting claims -- were almost twice as likely as those in good, fair or poor health to rate their private health insurance as excellent.

The level of satisfaction expressed with private insurance was essentially the same as that with Medicare, the government program for the elderly and disabled."

"Health Insurance Industry Spins Data in Fight Against Public Plan"

http://tinyurl.com/m8yns7

Solar

like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFdK6mWpm4

I don't think moral equivalence is such a bad word.

It's not fun to think about - but we are often capable of the "evil" we think only the "others" commit.

And being blind to that - only makes you more susceptible to it...

Progress is made through humility - not pride.

That is interesting Rez.

Rez

It is what I've been saying for some time. People who think we don't have a problem are those who haven't had to deal with our system.
Come back after you use it a time or two then we can talk.

Jack

First-hand knowledge trumps an article.

"Progress is made through humility - not pride"

I think you are right. Unless we admit we have a problem, we can't fix it.

Warren
Pride and humility are the product of a complacent culture.

For real progress nothing works like a little fear and hunger.

Jack

Fear and hunger can hold you back, as well, Jack. Don't you think?

Jack, I recall someof those remarks. I was too lazy or out of beer for a . . hear, hear! :J)

Chloe, I'm plagiarizing your emoticon!

Rez, It came from an online list. I like it when I want to make double sure that someone knows that I am indeed joking.

Reminds me of a business man I once knew. He said debt was a real modivator for him. When he was out of debt he would get lazy and not be as creative, it was only when he was up to debt to his eyeballs did he feel he was sharp.

I can understand

Jack

I don't own a gun and was just kidding. As Tony will tell you I hardly look like a red neck. My girlfreind says I look like a thin Vin Diesel....LOL

My latest Japanese client in NYC wants to take me to a gun range which might be cool. I have actually never fired a hand gun, but in my College days in Ohio, I had the opportunity to fire some red neck's machine gun and I was a good shot with rifles as a kid.

"it was only when he was up to debt to his eyeballs did he feel he was sharp."

Sounds a little bit like a gambler, a sort of sink or swim feeling. I personally don't like it.

Chloe
It all depends on how much.
Notice I said a little:-)

It is possible to get overwhelmed.

Jack

Jack,

Yep just like that....I have done work for Indian people...I swear they were all named Mohamed....They are really hard to please....since they are alway's changing their minds about the work being done. they pretend that they don't understand the concept of a change order...but all of them,,,,,away from work...were great. They love Music...and dance. I was invited to a little girls birthday party (15) I swear they make just as big a deal as the Mexican hillabillyls......

How is the maters going? I haven't done any this time. and my blue corn is still far off from becoming anything to speak off...lots of cold weather..plus the kids stepping on them all of the time....get me a scatter gun.....my M-16 is for other varmits.

Hope you and the hard working Mrs.. are fine.

"It is possible to get overwhelmed"

..... tell me about it. That's my normal state of being. :)

chloe

Not so much a gambler as a risk taker and a confidence that he can swim.

Jack

"For real progress nothing works like a little fear and hunger."

Jack, Of course I'm reminded of the old saying:
"When the going gets tough, the tough get going" . . .

However, I use to love to hear an old barfly friend's spin:
When the going gets tough, get the fuck out" lol

Warren,

"Progress is made through humility - not pride."

Add a lot of hard work to this ingredient,,,and you have success. Where were you when I needed you?

"confidence that he can swim."

There lies his ace in the hole.
But I still don't get why he needs to spend the money before he gets it. But if it works, why not, I guess. Whatever it takes to motivate yourself, might as well do it.

Solar

I've got about 6 tomatos setting in the window and have been eating about 1 a day for the last week
The wife is fine, she was up your way last week, something about highspeed rail.
She has been making me get up early and work, so it is bedtime for me.

Jack

Well his debt was business debt not partying debt. Using other peoples money to grow his business.

Jack

and by humility I mean focusing (or at least being aware) of our fears and weaknesses.

And nothing good comes without hard work.

(except laziness - which is good because of the absence of hard work ; )

Ok, Now I get it. He's reinvesting the money, before he got it.

nite Jack

Rez

When the going gets tough, maybe we need to rethink that business plan

Warren, That's what I thought of too. To me humility is realizing your not perfect.

nite everyone

Good all. SSS sleep well,,,,and Carol be safe.

Damn...Good all=good night all.

Warren

I'm always amazed at the number of people that start a business and don't realise the amount of hard work involved in being the boss.

Thats why most days I only boss me. That way I can give myself the day off. Unless the big boss (aka, the wife) objects

Jack

Damn...Good all=good night all.

It's all good Solar. :)
Love it when you get mad at yourself.

"Unless the big boss (aka, the wife) objects"

..... glad you know your place Jack.

Bedtime for me I'm out of here as well.
thanks for the friendly discussion everybody.

Night see ya later.

Jack

"glad you know your place Jack."

See what I mean,,,I can say that again....See what I mean.!!!

I always know what you mean.
Now I'm going to read my book, and then count backwards from 99.

Well Joe, I started reading back throught the posts. Holy shit. Think I could have written a novel at this point. I can't believe I have used up so much friggin bandwidth. And I still manage a 40 hour week. Seems only Solar and Jamie are in the same ball park. I never saw your reply to my "resentment" and yes, it was an article you posted, not your words. But why? Isn't putting an article out a tacit approval? When I don't agree I warn readers I don't agree and then state why I am posting it. Anway, I got lost reading all the exchanges searching for your posts.

(Okay Craig: a serach engine and a spell check (or editing function). I'll pay $5 per month, A deal?)

I'm kidding, but it would be nice.

I will have to go back and read everything you have written Joe on the Middle East, but I could have sworn you have on more than one occasion compared things the pro-Palestnian side has done with what the Israelis have. When talking Middle East, jihadists or even despots and communists, comparisons are a slippery slope to equivalencies, but perhaps I am too touchy.

But then you say there is fault on both sides. Well, yes, but what does that mean? That is the classical line. Hitler killed people but the allies bombed Dresden. There were moral faults on both sides. Do you see how that is outragous yet TRUE?

So maybe that is what I react to because Liberals have worked themselves into a corner on this issue. Democrats vilified Bush more than Saddam. They COMPARED things Bush did to what Saddam did and in doing so IMPLIED equivalency or WORSE.

Being the Centrist Vet you are Joe, I give the benefit of the doubt. Gee aren't you blessed? In any case, I was just annoyed with the claim evidenced in that article you posted to me that only non-moderate Jews objected to Obama. And then there is "fault on both sides" which is rather dismissive of the actually moral differences between most Israelis and the adversaries they have been forced to deal with for more than sixty years.....

But then you meant no moral equvilancies I suppose.....

S. A.

Damn, I think Joe is not in the house. Maybe someone can tell him I answered his query.......

Max,

You remind me of this Irish kid that I had working for me. Billy. You could not stay mad at him. You have that same quality...I think that your are just a big kid...good night now, and brush your teeth before you go to bed.

Starting your own business means your always at work.

You can never just leave it at the office - and it becomes rather difficult to stick it to the man...

max:

Just remember that the people that win wars write the history books.

That last one was just meant to be provocative.

The point is that acknowledging that our foes and some of our allies do not share our own heroic version of history is not being an apologist - it is being a realist.

Bedtime music: an oldie, familiar (perhaps overly so) but still soothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cFEHM9yMw

My favorite Beethoven.

Night all.

Good suggestion from Twitter to rename the Public Option

We should call it the "Congressional Health Option" to help people remember that the people fighting it... have it!

Posted by: maxtrue | July 21, 2009 11:14 PM : "Democrats vilified Bush more than Saddam."

Whereas, maxtrue has vilified "Liberals" more than he ever did saddam hussein.

Of course, that makes maxtrue a reeeaaallly special person, because we all know who babybush is [hiss!], whereas only the great maxtrue and his trusty assistants, rush and savage, know who the Liberals are.

On the other hand, it is interesting to see that maxtrue is now outraged by the slaughter of members of a wedding of a notorious PLO gunman. How very Liberal of maxtrue to be concerned for the children and grandchildren of hitler's grand mufti, for neices and nephews of yasir arafat.

It seems like only yesterday that maxtrue was referring to the victims of this bombing as participants in a worldwide Muslim plot to destroy The West. What a difference a day makes in the life of a party propagandist.

Given the usual content of Wonkette, seeing a kind, intelligent gentleman in Washington probably threw her for a loop and garbage fell out due to insensibility

Wouldn't it be nice if YOU had the same health care coverage as Senators mcconnell, kyl, and martinez. ?

Senators mcconnell, kyl, and martinez don't think so.

They don't think you are good enough for the kind of coverage that they enjoy.

Tell Senators mcconnell, kyl, and martinez that class warfare is unAmerican. Call 555-555-0000, and give Senators mcconnell, kyl, and martinez the message they deserve.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/cq-rolls-with-the-economist.html#comment-245445

Good God Warren

Harry Truman proposed it. Eisenhower proposed it. It has been "in the works" actively since the Clintons. Sixty years of waiting for the people of the United States to get something they really need for their tax money.

We can jigger around with the product, but lets get something passed so that it is there to be fixed rather than dying one more time.

If we don't get it now, there is a damn good chance it won't come around for a long, long time.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/07/cq-rolls-with-the-economist.html#comment-245492

ct

I'm enjoying the new TNT series "Hawthorne" Good cast and very well done.

Wonkette was funny the first couple of times I read it. That was ages ago [campaign '06 ?] I didn't know that it was still around.

Jamie,

Do we actually have video (best) or letters ( ok in a pinch) of Harry or Ike putting their imprimaturs on National Health Insurance ? Videos would make a killer ad, if such exist.

After all, what is a Conservative about, if he doesn't stand for the ideals of the 2 political giants of the 1950s ?

The old eyes watering. I think that I'll take them to bed.

As Lawrence Welk used to say, "Swede trims every Juan."

Sorry about the Wankette comments Craig, she is an idiot.

i hope the "matronly lady" companion wasn't blowing that cigaret smoke in your eyes!
Ana Marie Cox left Wonkette eons ago.
Ana is a ferocious Tweeter...
https://twitter.com/AnaMarieCoxShow

More on Ana:
http://airamerica.com/anamarie/blog/2009/jul/19/free-market-let-down-and-new-game-did-joe-biden-really-say

Posted by: maxtrue | July 21, 2009 7:38 PM : "Solar, if all you see in my posts is pushing for war, that is a problem involving your reading comprehension, not the content."

The technical term for this sort of parry is 'Tommyrot'. Notice that the "peace-loving" maxtrue is placing blame on SolarCrete. Pretty nifty. When alqaeda cuts the head off of a victim in Afghanistan, bin ladin blames some guy in Jerusalem. Pretty nifty. It's the same kind of phoney baloney.

Who here doesn't think that maxtrue's posts have promoted a third war, this time with Iran ? I have my hand raised, and I see that almost all of you do, too.

Oh maybe maxtrue has also attacked the Dems' choice of president and vice president, and their income tax, health car insurance, securities regulation, stimulus, conservation, and energy policies, but his main thrust has been at the Dems' foreign policy, and particularly at Obama's 'failure' to 'deal with' Iran. 'Failure' is code for 'America didn't do what we republicans wanted', and 'deal with' is their code for 'make war'.

Na, the problem is not Solar's comprehension. Not a bit. The problem is that someone in the controversy is, to quote cajunjoe, "dishonest".

can't stay awake anymozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This is TERRIBLE about Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

"No charge, but Gates case seethes"
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/22/no_charge_but_gates_case_seethes/

"Henry Louis Gates, Jr., is the Alphonse Fletcher University Professor and the Director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research at Harvard University.

Professor Gates is Editor-in-Chief of the Oxford African American Studies Center,...He has received 49 honorary degrees, from institutions including the University of Pennsylvania, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, New York University.... "

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~amciv/faculty/gates.shtml

GEEZE....................

tt

X, lay off the booze. Objecting to policy in an effort to make it better is not vilifying the President and VP more than Saddam. Gees....get a grip.

OH and X, the slaughter at that wedding party shows what partners Obama think we have in peace. This terror was directed at the Palestinian national security expert. Without security, what peace do Palestinians bring to the table. In your rush to slam be, you have left your brains in bed.

Wake it up as I am sure it still functions.

And how old are you X? Sometimes you act like you are still in high school.

Thanks Solar, I did brush my teeth last night though I can see as I slept some people forgot to wipe their ass (not you or Warren). I can say the very same thing about you Solar. Despite your rhetoric, it is hard to stay angry at you. I bet construction would be a fun experiance as long as it is not constructing world order. I am very sure your actual building methods are far more secure and rational. For the record, I don't use explosives for demolition........

Morning news is interesting. Hillary lays a big bomb and Ahmadinjad has found himself in a hole between the supreme leader, the Iranian people and Russia.

I am sure as the news is digested we shall hear a lot more on all of this.........