Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I hope I'm not the first person on this blog comment today because I don't woo hoo well.

Well Craig, that helicopter program is just glucttony gone amok but pretty par for the course for the government. And we worry about a few billion her and a few billion there.

I had a little fight with a friend yesterday about spending time on this blog. I really don't do it as a way of not doing other stuff. I work, I do all my chores, and I spend time with friends/family when they are available. This blog is really mainly an alternative to talking to Maggie or myself since we are the only ones who share some of the same interests.

Well it started when I mentioned something we were discussing. She made a snide comment about me talking with people I don't know. It wasn't the first time. It kinda pissed me off since she spends her life majoring in misery and bitching about everyone she knows which must include me when she is talking to someone else.

I kinda went off and said that it beats drinking myself into a stupor and crying myself to sleep every night like she does. She got pissed off, but just for a few minutes because she was back talking to me again last night.

Anyone else have problems because you prefer to talk to people you don't know rather than the ones you do?

Dang it, I didn't want to be first.

morning becomes electric. the magnetic effect of pulled pork and the voice of the boondoggle is heard across the land

dang, messed up. commas should be after electric and pork and the period at the end where a period belongs.

OK Pat, let's not pick on spelling, typos and punctuation. I'm the queen of screw up there.

I really need someone to edit what I write before I post. I guess I could send it to Jamie first.

morning becomes electric, the magnetic effect of pulled pork, and the voice of the boondoggle is heard throughout the land.

I liked it just as well the first time Pat.

And sometimes I'm going for that "stupid" effect. Jamie would probably edit that right out of my comment.

there, feel better now... gonna be one of those days, i can tell.

"Anyone else have problems because you prefer to talk to people you don't know rather than the ones you do?"

ct, do we ever really know anyone?

When I try to talk with my co-workers or friends about some of the things we talk about here, their eyes glass over.

craig, who gets the goodies on this project? are there constituent jobs to be lost? a close election at stake? an important contributor? details, man.

More gluttony gone amok and we're paying for it also. God are we rich or what? I wish I could spend my share of this money on something I really want.

"CEOs of Bailed-Out Banks Flew to Resorts on Firms' Jets"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124536271699529031.html

ct,

It's not worth arguing with your friend about, but just because you haven't met everyone here doesn't mean you don't know them.

You get to know some people at work better than others, and it's the same on TrailMix.

I have an idea. As soon as you get to voting age and if you have or are paying taxes, the government should give us a little voting device and a pin number. C-
Bob could make the little device.

When the government has a big decision to make they give us the info and we vote. If they are using our money, we should have a say. It's too late if we have to wait to vote these monkeys in or out of office to have our say.

Ed, I wish you would come out of "lurk" mode more often. Don't hide in the dark.

Can't ya just hear those CEOs of the banks laughing and saying "you bunch of suckers".

ct,

Thank you, it's always a hit and run thing for me. I try to pop in early in the AM then whenever I can from work to see what folks are talking about, but the phone rings and every now and then the boss asks me to earn my pay.

Also, this time of year I'm on the run for softball and baseball games. When I get home from them, I fall into a chair and wake up when either my dog or one of the cats decides it's time to eat.

Uh-Oh...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_iran_election

"Iran's supreme leader said Friday that Iran's disputed presidential vote had not been rigged, sternly warning protesters to halt massive demonstrations demanding a new election or be held responsible for creating chaos."

Hypocrisy at it's best: the Kennedy Health Bill. It so good for you that we have exempted ourselves.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124536864955329439.html

Can't ya just hear those CEOs of the banks laughing and saying "you bunch of suckers". The CEOs are not the only one's that are laughing at us suckers.

$85 million to stop? To get out of the contract and produce nothing? That puts more people out of work, too. I guess $85 plus unemployment benefits are a lot less than $13 billion, but still, what a waste.

Hey, Craig. If you go to the MSNBC party, please get me a tall, soy, no-whip mochacino at the Starbucks booth.

Does the unrest in Iran make it easier for us to get out of Iraq?

Buford

Looking at what is coming out on the "healthcare" bill that is going through the senate, I would say the Insurance companies are snickering. It looks like everybody but the insurance companies are taking a hit.

Looks like we will have a mandatory free gift to Insurance companies.
Party hearty boys, I know who nominate for first against the wall come the revolution.

Jack

Craig..... I had not heard of this helicopter thingy..... but now I have....

Carol..... when you are first... here's a utube you can post...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-I7Z7swNMs

I have had a few crafters ask how I can find the time to blog. They are the one who make a living at it and their spare time is very limited. I tell them I LOVE to weave... but I also LOVE people. Working alone has always been the hardest part for me. My friends know this and think it's great that I can talk to others with my interests on this computer.

Will you people please stop talking about all the hot weather you're having....
I'm f**king JEALOUS! We here in New England are having the worst June I've ever known in my 54 yrs. It won't stop raining and it's only in the 60s.
Everyone is sick of turning on their heat..... we are all wearing heavy sweat shirts and coats. I'd KILL FOR A LITTLE SUNSHINE RIGHT NOW!!

there.... that feels better......

Craig, TIR

You both are good at coming up with "dog bites man" stories this morning.
The only thing harder than killing a weapons procurement program is eliminating the sugar subsidy. Hell, I believe we still subsidise mohair.

TIR
Congress exempt itself from its own regulations?
I'm shocked!
Well, not much, after all it is standard boilerplate.
Just a question, did you point it out when the Republican congress did it ?

Jack

Renee

We have been having a cooler than average May and June, ourselves. A few days in the low ninties is just normal but the news is pretending like we are having this terrible heat wave. I've been working out in it and yesterday I enjoyed it, even if I was soaked with sweat from the humidity.

Jack

I name this new depression of 2009 -- The New Realism (a take-off of New Dealism). Where has all of the money gone? We used to be able to afford anything we wanted for the Prez. New Realism....we have no money and it was true all along the emperor has no clothes. We are too poor. The insurance industry blew a hole in the economic ozone and the money escaped. The grand USofA is broke.

ct - agree with some of the other comments - I know more about your thoughts and beliefs then most people I run into ! And this community is a place !

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Bob, I sure wouldn't want to fire one of those ancient .44s--they're scary.

I had a Colt Python .357 magnum that I bought for my trip to Vietnam. The magnum loads were awesome--lots of flash, noise, and kick. I preferred firing .38s out of it . But, while I was there, it was filled with the magnums.

I sold it when I got back to the World.

Yesterday on NPR, I heard Chris Dodd express his shock and outrage at the way the Fed handled the banking crises.

The remarkable thing about the report is the way the reporter was able to report it with a straight face and without a hint if Dodd's role in the fiasco.

Jack

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Patd --

Know how that feels when you think you got a pithy quip and it gets mangled in the machine... (^_~)

Going out to find those doggie bones you suggested...lost another rug yesterday to puppy teeth, a nice wool one in the dining room. My own fault for letting hubs take the gates down too soon. Puppies need at least a year of teething.

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Carol --

Try giving such friends the quizzical "where'd you get that extra head of yours?" look. You know, the one Maggie gives you when you want her to do something she thinks is crazy.

Considering the way everything is going with this administration it sure isn't any surprise the insurance company's are going to continue running health care.

WJ

I missed the Dodd interview, but not surprised. Dodd is the winner of last year's 'I am such a Hypocrite Award.' He is one of the culprits in the economic tsunami. He also was a real asshole to Hillary in the debates.

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Bob

I'm with you on this one.

Oh and I understand the cat problem
At my old house each spring a stray cat used my back yard a sactuary to drop a litter of kittens. Fortunatly there were a couple of old ladies around the corner who don't mind a yard full of cats and they fed them.

Jack

"It's Juneteenth! Emancipation Day in Texas and everywhere!"
thanks for the heads up, ivy. off to the store to prepare what wiki says is the traditional fare for the day.

"Juneteenth is traditionally celebrated with a large feast served as an all day meal in a park or outdoor space. The traditional cuisine of the Juneteenth celebration includes barbecue, fried chicken, greens, pies, baked bread, red soda, home-made ice cream, and watermelon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

Buford...we need health care, not insurance. Money sucking middleman industries are always difficult to kill. We dismantled the auto industry to 'modernize' it, why not the same with health insurance? Really, a whole industry spreading risk around that uses stalling tactics to deny payments or discount services. It stinks.

Jack...
I really hate complaining about the weather. All I'd really like to do is help a friend who bought an ice cream stand this past April by buying some of his product. It's soft serve and there's all these different flavors you can have the cone dipped in.

The other night Rick said "why don't we go help out Pete and get some of his ice cream". Seemed like a good idea even if it was pouring rain and only 57 degrees.... but then we both realized it might be a bit difficult to handle an ice cream cone with gloves on....

c-Bob I understand your feline plight. I believe that is how hording begins. I have a sister who rescues animals and she (IMHO) is a borderline horder. The front page of the local newspaper has been loaded with animal hording stories. A friend of ours with his wife, were charged with animal hording. He is a professor at the university here and it more common than I realized. Good intentions gone awry. Spay and neuter programs are the best bet.

c-bob

Meowski!

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_lifestyle_animal/2007/08/meowski-russian.html

Congress can't find money to pay for health care or save jobs or prevent outsourcing or regulate finances or stop a war. They can rack up trillions while cutting taxes on their good buddies and heaven forbid the little boys with their toys have to give up one of their whirlygigs.

What does it take to make one of these privileged, complacent Democrats blow their stack in anger over the devastation wrought by the last eight years. Yes the Dems had a hand in helping the Reps do it, but the power now rests with the Dems and I want to see someone have a first class, A Number One Hissy Fit on the floor of Congress.

I know they are trying to give the President leeway to work things out, but enough is enough. Everything doesn't have to be done right away, but I want to see veins standing out in foreheads. I want decibels that would deafen a rock musician. Let us know that you are least at least aware of the dire nature of the problems and the concerns of average people.

Someone up there are that shining city on a hill better pay attention while they still have a country to pay their generous salaries.

I hereby declare this to be "Bitch About Government Day"....

I think we are getting a very good start on this blog....
the military, healthcare, subsidies, politicians, hypocrisy.....

I know we can keep going.... :0)

Hoarding...is the spell checker asleep?

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CT

I think this "talking to strangers" business is an outgrowth of our somewhat insular lifestyles. Very few of us live in small towns where "everyone knows everyone". Few have really active church, social clubs, or hobbyist lives with lots of events. School? Work? etc. Some people prefer to keep those separate. On line you have ability to talk about things that interest you with a group of people that share those interests.

It is also anonymous. While some of us have gotten together and some have formed friendships off line, for the most part while we may like and respect many here, it isn't something you can't leave if necessary. That distance can be very helpful to someone who might be shy about speaking up in a face to face group.

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Don't you dare. I have enough trouble with my own commas, question marks, semicolons, parentheses, ellipses, exclamation points, apostrophes, hyphens, quotation marks, and most of all where to put the darn period.

Is the money after we pay our taxes, really still our money. I don't think so. We pay for services that the Gov't has and we enjoy. One such thing is protection from enemies foreign and domestic. Roads and highways.

I need help also, Jamie. Call out the punctuation patrol.

Flatus...you make a good point about 'capital' investments by the government, but what about the human element? Well paid elected officials. It is what we pay humans for their efforts that is skewing exactly the picture.

Blondie

The spellchecker can't help it if you don't know that both hording and hoarding are words. Do you want to round up and slaughter or round up and save? :-)

Jamie...did you view the Meowski videos?

BW

I just went back and looked at it. I had four cats bouncing on my head at five this morning ... there is not chance I will be come a hoarder. Another morning like this tomorrow and population may even decrease.

"Do you want to round up and slaughter or round up and save?"

It depends on my mood at the time. This morning both sound like a viable option.
and I'm not thinking about cats.

As to commas and periods, I tend to leave them out and let you all put them where you want.
It makes for more interesting discussions at times.

Time for me to eat shoot and leave.

Jack

mornin'

Between colds turning into sinus infections and bronchitis and traveling for work, it's good to be back in the office for a little bit.

Ivy, LOL!! Been there, done that, have the T-shirt. My idiot dog a fancy to a plasic hamburger with a squeaky thingy in it that we boought at Pets R Us or some such place - the squeaky thingy lasted about a week and there is about half of the burger left now 18 months later - but she still at almost 3 years old will chew on the fringe of the rug by the back door if Ilet her lie on it. And shoes, beware.

I hope the WSJ is proud of that "reporting". It is laughable.

And Obama ordered the chopper build stopped, triggering the $85 mil penalty clause that was in the contract BushCo wrote. He's now getting pressure to replace the aging MC1s with newer, safer, more modern copters appropriate for the post 9/11 world. Frankly I think the issue is more about appearances than anything - the contract wsa hardly a budget buster in the context of the military budget. And hey, does anyone really think we haven't spent more on less?

Renee,

Since you named the day, I think this clip is a few months old because he ends up talking about mailing a teabag to your Congressman, but it should get you going even though I expect you'll disagree with the speaker on some issues. I know I did.

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

Also, just for the record, I was rooting for John Lannan, a Siena grad against the Yankees Wednesday night. I'm sure I must have bought 50/50 tickets from him during his years at my alma mater. Of course, I wanted him to do well and then have the Yankees beat up on the relief pitching. Unfortunately, he gave his team momentum and now the Yanks have the embarassment of losing a series to the lowly Washington Nationals.

Horsedooty

I think the people feel that taxes aren't going to provide for the general welfare but rather that the majority of the largess is going to special interests while the small change tinkles down on the hoi polloi to keep them pacified.

Jamie : ) Imagine loving 130 cats.

BW

Imagine 130 cats each marking their territory.

For some reason love doesn't come to mind

Jack

Pat, we don't do Juenteenth here in BGWV, but today is West Virginia Day - it's actually tomorrow, but because of the explanation below, it has to be celebrated on a workday. (Half of the HS grads here think the Emancipation Proclamation was WV breaking off from VA). It's celebrated by watching state employees wnader the malls, Walmart and Sam's Club looking for meat marked down because it's approaching its sale date. (And Virginia celebrates Juneteenth not because the Emancipation Proclamation was signed, but because WV broke off from it in 1863).

WJ...did you see the Meowski video?

It was a plan for a fabulous copter
'til Obama cried foul and stopped her
But the armed service committee
on Lockheed took pity
And served up pork barbecue chopper.

EdV...repugs give teabagging a bad name. I prefer the 'graphic' definition, rather than the classic definition of teabagging. Any passed-out drunk knows the difference.

Blonde,

Graphic ... vs ... Classic

I didn't even know it was a verb until Anderson Cooper and company started smirking about it.

CJ - VERY good one.

EdV...I found out by a search engine on the internet. Type in 'teabagging' and a whole bunch of sex sites pop-up, so-to-speak.

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Pogo --

"...the issue is more about appearances than anything..."

You said it right. If the O-Man had left it alone and re-named it "helicopter bailout plan," he would have gotten by with it.

EdVB.... you and Warren are my favorite Yankee fans....
thanks for the video..... and even though I didn't agree with everything either...
that's the attitude I was talking about yesterday.....
the Red Sox play the Nationals next week.... I hear they're a joke....

Cjoe.... CLAP! CLAP!

Bwino.... I currently have 3 felines.... I one time had as many as 5.... 5 was too many.... watching that video hurt like hell....

pogo... I was thinking about sending out the National Guard to go find you...
hope you're feeling better....

RR...I love cats. I had two beloved males, Hector and Jerry, for sixteen years. Hoarding is fascinating to me...as I stated, I have friends and family who hoard animals.

No one does it better than the Simpsons...Eleanor the Cat Hoarding woman...how it starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLU5va2eozA

NYTimes Health Care Issues Video

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/19/health-care-video/

CBS News Legend Walter Cronkite ‘Gravely Ill’ Newsday

CJ...bummer. I heard him speak eight years ago and he was asked of the biggest influence in the 1960s and he stated the development of the birth control pill for women. He said it changed the dynamic of America.

I grew-up with Cronkite and he was our guide through the heartache of the Kennedy assassination.

Cronkite's reporting on the VietNam war was pivotal. So was his reporting during the Iranian hostage situation, but less constructive IMHO.

Thanks, Renee, I'm on the mend, but it's taking much longer than I like.

Walter C. and I share the same birthday.

Pogo,

Take it easy and be well.

Pogo..chronic sinusitis? Or acute? Either way it is a miserable time and it takes mucho time to heal. Do you suffer from allergies?

Article on Cronkite condition

http://www.inquisitr.com/26600/walter-cronkite-gravely-ill-near-death/

Cruelty's REAL name is Vista--

Meanwhile: Renee, here in the knobs it was 82 degrees by 10AM, humidity cranking up, sunny early but sky getting that unsettling cataract glaze that usually means Tstorms sometime--except that said Tstorms don't cool it down unless there's hail. And hail is like tornadoes--I'll pass, thanks.

Walked at the duck pond.

Purple hibiscus (Rose of Sharon) has its first fully opened blossom this morning.

And down here we'd call the guys trying to get the Pentagon to buy the futuristic helicopters after the program was shut down members in good standing of the Good Ol' Boys Network--just tryin' to earn what they've already been paid by the industry--

Thanks, all. It's acute, and it's not all that bad - really not any worse than a bad cold, but I guess I'm just an impatient patient. Take it easy? That's my middle name. Blondie, I never did suffer from allergies, but have begun to over the past 2 or 3 years - to pollen, dust, the usual suspects. OK, enough about my illness.

I see Tiger is starting this US Open like he did last year - two double bogeys in the first round.

Claire, an absolutely delightful blogger known to some of the old timers here has been keeping up a running blog commentary about her mother's leg problem. Affectionately know to all as "Mumborg" for all the the metal parts that have been installed in the offending limb over years, the latest news hasn't been good and the last round of surgery took over seven hours with the outcome still unknown.

http://crpitt.blogspot.com/

After you read all about it, consider that this young woman has been going to school full time, been involved in hikes for various charities (the latest this weekend), and being the main caretaker for her mumborg.

Now think about how much all of this would have cost the family if their weren't living in England.

Pogo...allergies can start anytime. Since you mentioned both sinusitis and bronchitis, post nasal drip might be the culprit. PND is usually caused by allergies and there is such a thing a tracheal bronchitis, too. That clearing of the throat.

Allergies? No it's snot!

Yes, PND and I are very good friends.
Is. 'snot. is. 'snot.

Well, I've gotta run - taking LP & MrsP to LUNCH (ha, Solar). Won't likely be back today until later, if at all. If I don't get back, all have a good wknd.

Walter Cronkite is one of my favorite educators. Definitely not a hypocrite. He did some excellent shows on evolution-death-reincarnation for PBS. I would have rather sat with him. Talked to him- than any sports figure or Hollywood personality around.

For all of the Democrats that are now starting to get the idea that Obama is just one more self serving politician. That the Democratically controlled congress is-are all (80%) hypocrite just like the Republicans were.

Reminds me when the R's keep denying that global warming doesn't exist! That it is all just a matter of cyclical weather normality.

What is cyclical is the turns that the R's-the D's take in giving our tax dollars to their pay as you go friends in the Insurance corps, and others ( The Daschle Pay off- is why they weren't touched at all-no reform-nada).

We need to pick a better side than-yours-or mine all of the time. How about you get mad enough to pick ours. We need to start giving the power of our votes to people like Ron Paul.

He has been right on almost all of this bs. Get people like Chuck Hagle back into office. etc, etc, A flat income tax. A flat tax along the lines that Don 1-and I were talking about would be so much easier to keep the $ we pay-track of no?

Pogo- I hope it wasn't that cheap lunch that I bought you? :-)

Carol- Tell that drunken friend of yours to piss up a rope. The people here at T. M. are even more real than the real ones. I can feel em. That tells me that they are. I think that she is jealous-that's all.

Pogo-not fair using an illness to beat me to it. You know that this means guerra (war) now-the gloves come off.

Baby Boomers Battle Hymn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49GavdGWtac

I loved the Saturday morning progam (That's The Way It Was) that Cronkite did when I was a kid. I can still remember the episode about Harriet Tubman.

rr - We only get one day to --itch? How would an official day to do so be different than any other day.

Ivy

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bonediggers/

Interview with Walter Cronkeit

http://www.midtod.com/9704/cronkite.phtml

Fair's song of the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fPVC1Fs58Q

(Hope the link works: couldn't check, downloads WAY slow today.)

Rumor has it Jenna Bush and her husband danced to this at their wedding. Good choice.

Jamie....
I just showed Rick the baby boomers battle hymn.... he wants to know why you are reminding us of these things...... :0)

Blue.... you have a point....
I hereby declare next week to be "Bitch About Government Week"...

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Renee

A friend (?) sent it to me in an email and misery loves company.

KT.... if you don't mind.... I would really love to know which state the "knobs" is in.... it's a term I'm unfamiliar with....

or should I put that last part in correct syntax... it's a term with which I am unfamiliar....

and after reading all this bitchin' about heat and humidity..... all we here in NH want is a little bit of sunshine..... you can keep the rest, thank you very much...

after all..... that bit about needing gloves in 57 degrees was a joke..... no self respecting NHerite would ever be caught dead wearing gloves about 32 degrees....

KT.... if you don't mind.... I would really love to know which state the "knobs" is in.... it's a term I'm unfamiliar with....

or should I put that last part in correct syntax... it's a term with which I am unfamiliar....

and after reading all this bitchin' about heat and humidity..... all we here in NH want is a little bit of sunshine..... you can keep the rest, thank you very much...

after all..... that bit about needing gloves in 57 degrees was a joke..... no self respecting NHerite would ever be caught dead wearing gloves about 32 degrees....

Posted by: RebelliousRenee

Hey Renee--"Here in the knobs", in my specific case, is the foothills of the Southern Appalachians. (Which we pronounce App-uh-LATCH-ee-uns; not A-puh-LAY-shuns.) I'm in East Tennessee. A "knob" is a sort of intermediate stage between a high hill and a mountain, and a "knobite" is a person who lives in the knobs. As for the red mud part which I think I mentioned once, most of our soil composition here consists of thick, sticky red clay with a lot of iron and magnesium in it over slate and limestone rock.

Would gladly send some sunshine if I could. And I sorta thought you were joking about the gloves. :)

Hey Max,

I don’t disagree with much of the facts in your opinion of the other night. Sometimes I do disagree with the rationale our country uses to justify the support of specific allies.

http://tinyurl.com/mec8b7 (Unrest in Peru)

For example, it’s too bad these poor souls (link) and many others on every continent don’t have much of an impact or influence into our GDP. At least in our consciousness anyway, because without the exploitation of the human and natural resources from these groups by the US, its’ citizens and their companies, America would be hurting economically and so would our security. I think we forgot that many times because of our biases and denials.

I would also argue that there is nothing unique to any one ‘special’ country’s sense of fairness or rights compared with any other. Obviously America has a multi-cultural heritage and therefore a varying perspective. I believe we can actually support countries with competing interest as long as they’re not contrary to ours.

In terms of our legal framework and democracy, IMO America’s roots are here and not across the ocean. Our old world legal heritage seems to fit best in rationalizing our dominion over others in our desire to expand and preserve America.

Catch you later, it's Friday and I got places to go and people to see ! . . . And prison ain't one Carol LOL

BTW,- Inre: Boomers battle hymn.

I just saw this sign the other day:

"Be kind to your children, they pick your nursing home". :-)

Enjoy this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9752u61LqEg

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joe, today's avie award

>(*V*)<

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flatus, if you'll take us 82 in/out of lubbock and, jack, you take us 87, i'll do us 84.... be on the look out for a deranged traffic cone with clown pants. a tad worried about our friend. last thread he sounded like the lord of the lemmings.
but maybe it's just postpartum depression from birthing his bouncing baby solar oven. kind of a let down when one finishes a masterpiece.

KT....
thank you..... one of the most fun things for me being on trail mix is learning about the different parts of this country..... and by your definition of knob....
I guess I live in that type of region also....

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Patd, Most of his distress seemed to be caused by those cats and kittens that he's worried about.

CBob,
If you need any kind of help either figuring out what to do to keep those cats from starving (or any other kind of help regarding them) without becoming over crowded by every other cat in the area, please let me know. If there's anything I have a lot of experience with, that's it. If I can help, I will.

While Bush's helicopter fiasco is like Reagan's Star Wars Missile Defense System in regards to idiocy, we should all be on Obama to end our involvement in Iraq.
I know it's never going to end, and anyone with any senses could gather that much from last year's debates (only Gravel and Kucinich had plans to end the war, and instead of embracing them, the powers-that-be tossed them aside).
How is it "supporting the troops" to keep sending them into harm's way?
Of course, the USA id going to be in Afghanistan forever, it seems, but it is time to pack up and leave Iraq forever...AND CLOSE THAT DAMN EMBASSY THERE NOW!

Just had to drop in and check e-mail.

Illness wasn't the excuse Sr. Sol, lunch was. That whole notice was about lunch (of course the meal choice - Sopa Azteca - was influenced by the illness),

Now it's off to a lovely firm picnic. I don't know how to do a dripping with irony emoticon, so I'll just have to settle for LOL I suppose.

kt, from the land of knobs and domes. (Renee, go visit the Great Smokie Mountains National Park website to learn where Domes and KNobs are in the Smokies).

Gone now.

TGIFA, TGIFA, Made it through another week.

Don't ever feel anxious about inmates but today I had a little shiver go down my spine. I had this Cuban inmate who is in for killing his girlfriend because he thought she cheated on him. From what I heard he killed her, went out to eat, then turned himself in. I think he was one of those Cubans that left Cuba when they had that criminal dump in the 80s.

He came to medical because he wanted extra food because he said he was losing weight. He wasn't and was within his ideal body weight so I turned him down. He then said he wanted a transfer to another prison. I said that won't happen until he is tried and found guilty.

He looked at me with some cold eyes and asked if he had to kill someone else to get the transfer. That got my attention since I was in a room alone with him and had no security around. I did get security and have him hauled away to isolation.

The young girl working in classification said "Oh, he didn't mean it, he is usually very polite." She didn't want to put him in isolation. I told her so was Ted Bundy! He charmed the life right out of people.

If that inmate was just funning me it didn't turn out too well for him and I'm glad it was the end of my week at work.

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Solar --

Ya dig?

(^_~)

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Patd --

I second (or third) your nomination. CaJoe in top form even though I was speed-reading this a.m.

>(*V*)<

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That's a little unnerving, Carol. Watch your back.

Ivy

I can't get into a tassel with you if you keep giving me the wink. I think that you are doing it on poipose just to get away with gnawing away at me-then able to bury my bones.

So give me that real serious face. U know the one we practiced in the mirror haha. A little bit like my new one. Here.

http://img190.imageshack.us/i/johnk175x250.jpg/

Actually that was the first flower that I gave to Judy. We won her heart with that one. I took it from someones garden. I was late picking her up.

Tweety is being a jerk about not "apologizing for slavery." His wonderful State of Pennsylvania never did nothin' wrong. KT, is that your Congressman, Steve Cohen? He's doing a fine job standing up to the spitting tweety-head.

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Hey Solar --

Life's too short to hassle with the tassle!

(^_~)

See-see you did it again. U win!

Wonder what C-Bob will do about the cats? Could take them to a shelter?

The honeymoon with Obama is about over. But this is typical of what happens.

In ANY case, he's way BETTER than what we've had.

They say a good divorce is when NEITHER party is completely happy with the settlement.

tt

from david shuster on Twitter...he says he'll pray fro Iranians like this:

3:09 pm: One of our readers requested that we translate the following blog post: “Tomorrow is a big day, may I get killed tomorrow!” (http://balatarin.com/permlink/2009/6/19/1625688)

“I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I’m listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It’s worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children…”

Ivy

No bones to pick with you. No bones to bury. I think that I will clean up the debris.

http://img197.imageshack.us/i/562266dogsweeping.jpg/

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Solar --

I do try to keep my side of the street clean. U funny!

(^_~)

Ct, I talk about the blog occasionally,just telling attitudes and passing on prescient comments. At least one of my relatives doesn't know I do this because I'm afraid he would lurk and maybe get into it.
I would have to leave here if he did.

The thing is I think my friends and family are delighted I post here - it saves them from having to hear me droning on and and, and you all know what I'm talking about!

Ct, your friend probably wants more of your attention, I think. How sad. Is she an out-and-out alcoholic? If nothing else she might be depressed, and I have to say I can't imagine what you can do. Do you think you enable her? Can you just ditch her?

I'm watching CNN mainly because of the situation in Iran. I want the people to keep it up, but I want them to stop, too. All the theorizing about what will happen
won't be interesting if all hell breaks out. Has anybody kept up with what has become of the big shots who ordered the Tiananmen nightmare?

For what it's worth, I love to edit and have been known to add commas in library books which have badly needed it. However, I think there is no need for it here. I would guess that all here know their grammar and punctuation rules better than they realize.

Oh, yes, Cbob, is there no place like Forgotten felines there? They can trap the cats, and if they are clear of disease, spay them.

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Bethy --

I agree with you...if I reference something said here in conversation, I generally say, "A friend of mine said..." or something to that effect. No need to qualify a friendship or acquaintance, as far as I'm concerned.

Been busy all day. Is Craig going to the Correspondents' Dnner? If so, did someone encase him in bubblewrap?

What did you teach Bethy?

My friend uses alcohol for her entertainment. She use to know how to have fun but she has gotten into this rut of misery. Yes, she is depressed but won't do anything to help herself. Drinking doesn't seem to help.

She seems very angry that I am happy. She tries her best to find some way to dampen my happiness.
I'll not dump her but neither will I let her take away my joy.

My time with her has not changed due to the time I spend here. It just seems to aggravate her that I enjoy being here.

Obama is taking upcoming Father's Day as an opportunity to reach out to men and AA men regarding the importance of being a father. That's great. He certainly is a good role model.

One of my young AA inmates today was using the fact that he didn't have a father around as an excuse for his screw ups. I told him neither did Obama and he's the president. Shut him right up about that.

Friday Night on Iran

jhttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.17ffeec6a32310683e8082dda686dfec.2f1&show_article=. Biden and Clinton v Obama on Iran?

Like North Korea, we tend to reward bad behavior and punish good. Obama explained in regard to NK, we cannot do this anymore and good luck in interdicting the latest illegal ship. The arguments about Iran presently, centers around what we hope to achieve v the opportunities lost, particularly the damned silence about the protests. Khomeini blamed Obama and England with the help of Zionist criminals for the protests. He argues that fraud could not have created so many ballots all tabulated carefully within an hour and a half after the polls closed. Many polls did not open despite the the official record. The entire count is suspect as Iranians in exile received information of large scale boycotts by students and reformists. Perhaps Panneta should speak up now, instead of saving his assertions for Cheney. Regardless of the real Iranian sentiment, Khomeini backs his selected President Ahmadinejad who tells the world how he will better it. How does it feel to have this man lecture Americans about our freedoms or liberties?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/98517.htm?sectionid=351020101

And then the right to assemble is determined by Khomeini:

Friday, June 19, 2009
Permission denied for Saturday rallies
No permission has been granted to Iranian Reformist groups to hold a Saturday rally in protest at the presidential election results, says Tehran's governor general.

"I hope that this rally will not be held as no legal permission has been granted for this rally," Morteza Tamadon said on Friday.

Defeated presidential candidate Mehdi Karroubi's National Confidence Party (Hezb-e Etemad-e Melli) as well as the Association of Combatant Clerics (Majma'-e Rowhaniyun-e Mobarez) had asked for authorization to hold rallies on Saturday in protest at the June 12 election results.

Iranian authorities have so far refused to authorize rallies, which have been held on a daily basis since the Interior Ministry announced the results only hours after the polls closed.

Saturday's march scheduled to be held from 4 to 7 p.m. (1230 to 1530 GMT). The rally is dubbed 'from Revolution to Freedom' - a reference to the starting point (Enqelab Square) and the finishing point (Azadi Square) of the demonstration.

Source: PressTV HT for both link and quote: Totton

Khomeini’s Friday night sermon says we’re not to expect any ground on the nuclear issue. He will slaughter millions to retain power unless the people are so determined AND a split develops within the clerical ranks.

Is Obama betting that won’t happen? If it does will he side with Rafsanjani? Can’t he make Khomeni pay on the world stage for who he is and what he does? Isn’t Khomeni trying to make this about Islam? Will Obama take off the gloves? This ain’t no Ali v Frasier. At some point Obama may have to speak and Khomeni has lobbed the ball to Obama. For now Obama is holding off. What signal does this send after Khomeni has tarred you as meddler and infidel? Is Power, Clinton, Biden, Rice, Panetta, Gates all so thrilled about what our message is? We get blamed for nothing and still stay silent hoping not to anger the regime? Does THAT perception seem a whole lot more dignified than Bush’s?

I supported Obama’s initial response. I thought it quite clever. Khomeni has called him out by name to the Iranian people. Bad move. Obama has the power to talk to Iranians. He can tweeter the regime and start beaming our dialogue into every Iranian city (see below). Obama once said during the campaign that it was not Ahmadinejad he wanted to speak to, but Khomeni. It is clear what this cleric thinks of Obama and America. He has his private army and his puppets. With some support to the Taliban he can keep the US tied up in Afghanistan while encouraging through the deceptive dialogue to come, the continued rift in Israeli/US relations.

Is Panetta figuring out once again the CIA’s inability to understand Iran? It seems underneath Obama’s rhetoric, the US and Israel are taking an aggressive cooperation

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/2009/06/cia-mossad-hitting-irans-hezbo.html

I hope Hillary’s surgery goes well. I hope that Biden made a case as did Hillary, that we can’t leverage what we deny happens. We need to outfox tyrants and exploit the opportunities we see. We have to hurt the regime by keeping the pressure on. Reform will not come to those who equate reform with sin and rule by force. The suggestion of our appeasement to Khomeini in the face of genuine civil disobedience calling the world to support is not to be taken lightly, nor the kind of American leadership Obama had in mind when he visited Buchenwald.

He was right to see the punch that Ahmadinejad and
Friday Night on Iran Part two...enjoy

Khomeni tried to throw at him for meddling. Now that they have played that false card, Obama needs a crafted counter. Maybe Obama should give a prime time speech to talk to the Iranians and have Saberi translate in real time standing right next to him. If Obama could fill stadiums here and abroad, perhaps he could find more popular support among Iranians than Ahmadinejad does, at least among those that the regime needs in order to survive.

Carol

Be careful. I don't understand why U don't have a second person there with you at all times. Specially with the hardcore inmates.
I could teach you some Judo if you want ? Im glad that you are happy. You deserve it!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.17ffeec6a32310683e8082dda686dfec.2f1&show_article=. Biden and Clinton v Obama on Iran?

ooppssss

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/06/19/2009-06-19_sect_of_state_hillary_clinton_resting_after_surgery_on_broken_elbow.html

"She slipped in the State Department garage Wednesday night, and fractured her elbow on her way to a meeting at the White House."

Now that the surgical part is over (successfully, thank goodness), we may turn our attention to the claim. This should be a Workers' Compensation Insurance item since Madame Secretary was "on the job" on the employer's premises when the injury occurred.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/owcp/index.htm

KT, is that your Congressman, Steve Cohen? He's doing a fine job standing up to the spitting tweety-head.

Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com | June 19, 2009 5:44 PM

Don't I wish, but no, Steve Cohen is from over toward Memphis, clear across the state. Mine's the Honorable John J. Duncan Jr., who basically inherited his seat on his father's death and retains it because his constituency has no imagination.

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Hi Carol
I sure respect you for keeping your friend a friend.I used to have a friend Dennis who sounds much the same.Dennis was always bringing me down couldn't stand that I was pretty much happy with life..In the end I had to ask myself the question,did I feel better before or after a conversation with him,the answer was i felt bad after so I kept him at arms link.No confrontation but simply hi and bye...It worked for me...Its more about her misery loves company....

Hi, Carol, by the way,that incident with the inmate is chilling, and you are so wise to not let it go. Your years of experience are showing.

I taught both English and history, mostly to 9th graders but hit all the grades from7th to 12th. I don't know which I enjoyed most, subject-wise, but age-wise, 8th grade was next to impossible for me. I think it's such a transformational age! One teacher I knew said once that if she threw a bunch of acorns on the ground, she knew her 8th graders would go after every one. Their personalities could change on a dime.

There are so many angles to teach these two subjects
from, and I know I tripled (at the very least) my knowledge and understanding of both subjects just by teaching them. My desire to be understood is part of my love of teaching, I guess. I would search my brain to find metaphors, similes,examples, jokes, whatever to make an important point re the past and its relationship to the future. It was a lot of fun for me and I could get crazy with it.

Too bad about your friend and her alcohol. I don't remember how I got into the therapist who saw that I had depression, but that changed my life. As for the alcohol, I love my screwdrivers but only because I love the taste. I think it's to do with the sour part because I also love kosher dill pickles for the same reason. I'm irritated that I can't drink as much as I'd like, but hate to feel it. Good for you for being determined not to let her pull you down. See how wise you are!!!!!!!!!

Oh good Tony, just popped in and you're here. I'm so glad you posted those pictures of your house. It's gorgeous! I knew it would be, but still, you've done such a beautiful job with it.

I'm more like Carol said she is..... I have trouble throwing things away and I stock up on food like she does too.

Carol, I was surprised when I saw your post, because I could have written it. I'm the same way.

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Carol, Has your friend ever look in here. Maybe she'd like it too?

The Correspondents Dinner is live on C-SPAN

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/06/19/HP/R/20034/65th+RTCA+Dinner.aspx

Now on C-SPAN 1

Onion News Network broadcast hilarious

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KT --

Sounds like you might be familiar with that 'ol blue dot in a red state feeling, or something like it.

(^_~)

Bethy, I was looking to see if they have something like Forgotten felines here, and so far have found this list for helping feral cats. I'm sure there are organizations in CBobs area that help out. A couple of them that I looked at help trap, neuter and spay and return them. http://www.ark4pets.com/feral.html

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Chloe
Thanks.My Grandmother couldn't throw anything away either but thankfully she had that good old Michigan basement...I think that's what got me into the less is best motto..Ha,makes me think of that Michigan basement and how almost 3 years ago after the ladies died I had to go back there and spend a month by myself throwing away all of my Grandmother's treasure's..My gramma lived in that house for 68 years..Saddest time of my life...

Chloe, good job! I hope Cbob sees that. He is afraid of having an army of cats, but having them neutered should take care of that - unless there is a lively grapevine that gets the word out in the feline community. It's also one way to make sure that diseases are stopped in their tracks.

Back from chores. See I do have a life outside this blog even though I have cut my sleep in half because of it. Ya'll keep me up late and get me up early.

I just finished talking to my friend and I interrupted my post to do it. See, she does come first. She's in a good mood tonight and that is because she had to work today and doesn't drink much when she is working. She works shift work which would make me drink also. Alcohol use may be causing more of her depression than it is relieving.

Bethy, now that I know you were an English teacher I'm gonna be intimidated. Well, just think of me as your retarded friend.

I hope none of my friends, family or co-workers look into this blog. If they do I'm in trouble. Believe me my friend wouldn't like this blog. She's really not into anything educational. We actually have absolutely nothing in common but she is still my friend. She has listened to me whine before also.

Chloe glad to know someone else is a pack rat also. It's weird that everytime I get a table cleaned off and organized within minutes stuff crawls right back. I swear I don't do it, it just comes back. I don't think there is a cure for me.

"My gramma lived in that house for 68 years..Saddest time of my life..."

Ah Tony, Those things are so tough to go through. Sounds like you were really close.

It's nice that you could be there for them when they needed you though.

"glad to know someone else is a pack rat also. It's weird that everytime I get a table cleaned off and organized within minutes stuff crawls right back.

Same here Carol. I drive me crazy. I looked up an article today on 'How to change habits'. I've got the page still open (in another window) but still haven't had a chance to read it. I'm looking for help and nothings worked so far.

KT --

Sounds like you might be familiar with that 'ol blue dot in a red state feeling, or something like it.

(^_~)

Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com | June 19, 2009 8:25 PM

Yep, that's me. LOL

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Bethy, I'll mark the page and try to link it again when he's around. He seems to take these situations seriously, just like I do. It's hard to see animals suffering.

You like pickles Bethy. I do too. I also like green olives with the seeds. I am particular about the olives though. They have to have this certain taste. Not too salty, not bitter. I will get on one brand for a while and then the flavor changes and I have to find another one.

We don't have those fancy grocery stores like some of you do in large cities. When I go to visit my sister in Seattle my favorite place to visit is Whole Foods. I actually went in with my video camera. Not what most tourists usually take pictures of. They made me stop videoing like I was going to steal some of their secrets.

I almost had the big O with all the fresh breads, deli, olive bar......They also had these italian flavored olives. I drove all around the Pacific Northwest eating olives. I made the mistake of taking my sister, who lives here, with me once and it wasn't good. I almost smashed her in the face with one jar of olives when she was screaming at me because I wouldn't let her control the entire trip. They also make a good weopon.

My mom used to tell me that I was going to pickle my stomach. Well they just won't have to use any preservative after I'm dead.

That was very...unique.

Tony, you shouldn't have thrown away your grandmother's treasures. You should have brought them to that PBS Antique Road Show. You might have become a millionaire. They have some things on that show that don't look that important but end up being worth a fortune.

Carol and Ivy, With me, it's my sofa and the floor in front of it. I always seem to be carrying something in, and after climbing 18 stairs and juggling bags (esp with this damn brace), all I want to do is set things down. There they are with the things I set down yesterday. The mail is the bitch cuz I set it to on side on top of the mail from yesterday. I don't have much room so sorting things is labor intensive.

I'm not sure howlong to keep receipts etc and old bank papers and the like. I'm a simple person - why do I make my life so complicated? Boo hoo hoo!

And then Iran comes on the news..................

"why do I make my life so complicated?"

No matter how much I try to simplify my life, Bethy, it still always ends up feeling complicated.

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Hey Chloe
Yes I was always close to my grand parents.When my grandfather died i stepped in being a single gay guy I had the free time.My gramma's sons had families and no time for there mother..My mom was in Florida so it was me...I only benefited though but the last year of being a care giver was terrible and pushed me to the brink...

Solar, what made me particularly nervous today was that I had just finished peeking at that inmate's rap sheet and saw he was in jail for second degree murder because he had strangled his female companion.

When I told him he couldn't have double portions, he looked at me with those cold eyes and said "what do I have to do to get transferred, kill somebody?" I thought that my neck was little flimsy and he was between me and the door.

No one was really close by but something I said to him caught one of the nurse's, in another room, attention and she called security. Fortunately when I said please leave, he did. Maybe I scared him?? I can be a little intimidating also.

Funny reading about the EMP proof helicopter. Kirtland AFB in New Mexico used to have a large cage made of electrical wire that they'd park big jets in. They'd create an EMP pulse and if the wiring wasn't perfectly grounded I hear it would melt.

Boys and their toys. And Murtha has got to be involved some how.

If this works - Son and Saki

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http://img221.imageshack.us/i/chrisandsaki.jpg

One more time

Third Times the Charm

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"I'm not sure how long to keep receipts etc..."

Bethy --

Funny! Cleaned out a drawer two evenings ago...there was a pile of store receipts dating to 2006. Some of the stores are out of business now...so maybe I could throw them away now, ya think? But actually, I found the receipt to a dress I bought on sale two summers ago that I never wore, and is still in my closet with the tags on. It no longer fits. As it happens, my friend works at the store and she said, "Bring it back for a refund!" So you just never know...

New Jib Jab on Obama

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama

C-Bob, I tried again to get on your blog and the old invite said my invitation has expired. It said to contact the host. So host, I'm contacting you. I want to post my corn pic. It is almost outgrowing the rabbit excluding enclosure. I need to get in an weed and thin but I'm afraid the critters might be watching.

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Chloe --

The reason for the slogan "Keep It Simple" is because it isn't.

(^_~)

This is what term limits would do. there are only a hand full that won't go with the status Quo. We need less of the C. Dodds Hypocrites and more of these new members with the gut to do what they were elected to do!!

a number of House Democrats in their first full terms were not intimidated. Despite the presidential threat, they stuck to principle. Donna Edwards of Maryland voted no on the war funding when it really counted. So did Alan Grayson of Florida, Eric Massa of New York, Chellie Pingree of Maine, Jared Polis of Colorado and Jackie Speier of California.

progressives across the country should plan on giving special support to Edwards, Grayson, Massa, Pingree, Polis and Speier in 2010. If we take the White House at its word, they may find themselves running for re-election while President Obama withholds his support — in retaliation for their anti-war votes

In the Los Angeles area, the military-crazed and ultra-corporate Congresswoman Jane Harman will face the progressive dynamo Marcy Winograd in the Democratic primary next year.

Harman’s vote for the latest war funding was predictable. But dozens of Democrats with longtime anti-war reputations also voted yes. Among the most notable examples are Oregon’s Peter DeFazio and Washington’s Jim McDermott, who apparently found their antiwar constituencies in Eugene and Seattle to be less persuasive than the White House chief of staff.

"White House aides worked the halls during the hours before the vote, and chief of staff Rahm Emanuel called some lawmakers personally," McClatchy news service reports. "DeFazio, who was undecided and wound up voting yes, said he talked to Emanuel by phone for about five minutes as Obama’s top aide explained the administration’s strategy in the war on terror."

As much as we think we might Chloe, I don't think we really do want life to be too simple. We need a challenge, something to keep the blood circulating. Something to stimulate growth. And I'm not talking about the growth that I'm gonna have after I eat that vanilla ice cream and apple turnover that's cooking in my little oven right now.

Carol

What I said to you about having someone there with you at all times that an inmate is in the room-still goes. Don't think about it!!!

"The reason for the slogan "Keep It Simple" is because it isn't"

Ha Ivy.... It's complicated just trying to keep it simple.

You may be right about us wanting to create a challenge for ourselves Carol. But I also spend a lot of time trying to focus on what I know 'should' be important as opposed to what we sometimes mistakenly 'think' is important.

Carol, I'm very surprised at the lack of security procedures. It seems like there'd always be a guard close by. Sometimes, I look at these things that happen as an omen, a warning of things to come. That prison is a very dangerous place Carol. Are you sure you wouldn't like a change?

Oh I have security Solar. She is also my office manager/secretary. She has to multitask. Fortunately most of the inmates, even the bad boys, think of the medical department as their friend. Today, it was probably more what I was imagining than what would have ever been reality. At least that's what I hope.

But from now on I will insist that that inmate comes in only with a security guard. A big male one.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2158/chrisandsaki.jpg

Nice picture Jamie!

Hey SS- Nice to see you!

It's not up to you-to keep it simple or complicated. Lifes little emergency will see to that. Some times I think that life is just making one critical decision after another .

I just got back from a walk right after a light rain. Nice and simple for a while. Glad that nothing exiting happened while walking. anyway. both simplicity-complications will come at us in spurts. Sometimes we have to man/woman up to them no?

"A big male one". je je je

Chloe, I wouldn't change jobs for anything Chloe. I love my job. It's the most challenging job I've ever had.

I had this woman come in the other day. She was a rerun. Been in before. She told me "I thought you'd have gotten a better job by now." I told her this is a better job. I was recruited for this job because I was the only one who had the necessary skills and experience to do this job. I wouldn't trust anyone else doing my job.

Now Im getting afraid for that big male guard.

"It's not up to you-to keep it simple or complicated. Lifes little emergency will see to that. Some times I think that life is just making one critical decision after another ."

....I like the way you put that Solar. I'm a bit of a control freak (or so I'm told), so I like to look at it a little differently. But I know you're right.

You're also right about have to deal with the complications. That's not exactly what I meant though, about making things simple. I think maybe I'm talking more about priorities.... sorting through my values and beliefs, and getting those priorities straightened out and in order.

Who is Chris and Saki?

"I love my job. It's the most challenging job I've ever had. "

Carol, Aren't you more of a doctor than a nurse,
Here in Texas, they call them AP's (Assistant Physicians). Usually when I see one, I think I'm seeing a regular doctor, but they actually work under the doctors license. You can't tell the difference, and they sometimes take more time with you than the actual doctor does, plus they seem to know just as much.

"hat's not exactly what I meant though, about making things simple. I think maybe I'm talking more about priorities.... sorting through my values and beliefs, and getting those priorities straightened out and in order."

A certain amount of humility-courtesy-humor. I think will go a long way to keeping things simple? Add a few more common decency things in there- we should be near good to go.

Thats what is so frustrating about what is going on now with all of this greed. This kind of bs complicates a simple world IMO

No no Chloe, a physician's assistant is not the same as a nurse practitioner. In some states they don't have the same priviledges. A nurse practitioner is first a registered nurse, then has a master's degree in nursing as a nurse practitioner. The education for physician's assistant is not that intensive. They can have an undergrad degree in something else even PE. Then they go back for their physician's assistant program.

We don't like to be compared to a physician's assistant. That's several steps down. They don't have the same experience. The new NP programs now are going to the Doctorate level. Same education will give a PhD.

... right on Solar.

I get a little philosophical when I have a cpl of drinks-so. Will stop now.

I was a cardiovascular Clinical Nurse Specialist before I went back for my NP. Also a master's degree program. I did that in Houston at Texas Woman's University.

"We don't like to be compared to a physician's assistant."

....oops. Sorry Carol.
I know zip about that stuff. I didn't even know there was any such thing as a PA, until I moved to Texas.

"Will stop now."

No, Don't stop Solar! I love philosophy.

It has been my thoughts that one day NPs will take over primary care and Doctors would move to specialty practice. I really think NPs are better prepared for primary care because we are better prepared in areas of health, nutrition and education.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237887

Wow Carol, That's quite an education you've got there. And I'm glad you love your job too. I know how important you've been to those inmates.

Nothing simple about you Solar!

I just jumped into your conversation cos I haven't talked to U in a while. Did not have anything to say-but wanted to say it HA!

I've told the nurse I work with that my job is like being a missionary but with way better pay.

.... you always have plenty to say. I'm glad you did. It's nice to see you so sure of things right now.

Carol-

I think that U and Patsi-have that in common. You both have been in the trenches to make things better for women. All people in general. Been fighting the good fight. Like you said- now it's time for some of the younger ones to take it up.

"my job is like being a missionary but with way better pay. "

... the pay is what makes the difference. You're doing your good deed for the world, and getting paid for it too. What could be more satisfying.

"now it's time for some of the younger ones to take it up."

They won't be ready for a while.... They've got other things on their minds.

Solar, You talk a lot about greed.
Do you see that as the root of all evil?

Im sure about the way's things should be. Not so sure about the present. The future looks pretty good once I get some things going.
Lot of small corps are going under. No stimulus for them.

I saw where a lot of the bank executives took the bail & and have been traveling to resorts-clubs- in their private jets. It is a shame that they are allowed to do this. While some are thrown out of their houses!

"It is a shame that they are allowed to do this. While some are thrown out of their houses!"

The government hasn't done its job Solar.

Solar, You talk a lot about greed.
Do you see that as the root of all evil?

Absolutely!! All selfishness comes from this type of thinking. Just think about it. If it was in the reverse. Unselfishness. what major problems would there be.

Just happens to be part of wanting to be like the King-or Queen. Power and $ The greedy needs to have as much as they can so they can be the ones that we envy imo

Yeah, but it's also the nature of Capitalism, isn't it?
I sometimes think resenting those that have what we don't have, can keep us from getting it. Do you know what I mean? It ties in with the whole visualization thing. The way we look at things, the things we think about, determine who we are and who we become.

I saw a quote somewhere today, and this is the first half of it:
"We are what we repeatedly do....." - Aristotle
.... and I think we could say, We are what we repeatedly think.

Chloe

In Peru-as we speak. People are dying cos they are resisting the U. S. and the Peruvian government. NAFTA over there is killing them. cos we want to take down all of the trees in their forest. We-our corps- and their own government thru greed are killing women and children. what for $$$$

"They won't be ready for a while.... They've got other things on their minds"

Yes Chloe, young people these days didn't have to struggle, claw, and scratch their way to get things they wanted. So much was given to them. Parents thought they were doing them a favor to make things easier for them than they had it. I don't think that was necessarily a good thing.

Young women came in enjoying what the older women before them fought to get and many never even got to enjoy. I'm afraid though, that without them continuing to fight, it may just all slip away. They will wake up one day and ask, what happened? And we old broads will shake our heads and say " nothin's free sister, either pay now or pay later and it will cost much more later."

The governments, the greediest of them all.

"it may just all slip away"

It's not going to go backwards Carol. They didn't have to fight for it, but they got it for nothin', and have probably come to expect it, those things we fought for. They have no idea what it was like before, and maybe that's a good thing.

You say they had so much given to them, but I really don't think they have that much better of a life than we had. I actually think they missed out on a lot. I don't think I'd want to be starting out now.

"We are what we repeatedly do....." - Aristotle
.... and I think we could say, We are what we repeatedly think"

Yes and no. You said a few posts back that you wanted to change something. If you start doing it one day at a time. In 30 days or a little more .

It is part of what you are. You can change this at any time that you choose to do. or not. What we think always changes Imo Reading the post on TM might make some one change the way of thinking from time to time.
Lots here to make one think and change- I think? or at the very least question some of the thoughts that starts you to change them a little. Im rambling now.

Expecting something without hard work is why the jails are filling up. And with people I wouldn't have expected to see in jail. More women, young people from nice middle class families. They want it but don't want to work for it or wait for it. They want it now so they take it.

Did a lot of talking today. See you a little later. sleep well all.

"Reading the post on TM might make some one change the way of thinking "

Exactly! We have control. But we also have to be careful, very careful to consider what we repeatedly think and say, to make sure our thoughts don't work against us, instead of to our benefit.

I think what you're talking about is how it takes 30 days to change a habit, which is what I've always heard. You can change at any time, like you said. But it takes a change in what you're thinking patterns are first. It's deliberate. We are not victims.

yes it is time to hit the sack. Nite all.

nite Solar. I'm tired too.

nite Carol

"But it takes a change in what you're thinking patterns are first. It's deliberate. We are not victims."

Chloe

yes that is true. Im going to re-read a book called. "Joy, Sorrow, and the Feeling Brain." Looking for Spinoza. byt Antonio Damasio.

I forgot-probably did not understand it all the first time around. He wrote it a while back-but I think that the information in it is still very valid.''

Give you a question that he answers. What came first-emotions-or feelings. He goes thru the evolution of them. And answers the question of morality thru them.

Feelings.

I'll look up the book tomorrow Solar.
nite again. :)

Here's something from today's Wall Street Journal to get your rambling mind around...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124535297048828601.html

"The burst of mental clarity can be so powerful that, as legend would have it, Archimedes jumped out of his tub and ran naked through the streets, shouting to his startled neighbors: 'Eureka! I've got it.' "

Ivy - that article is really fascinating. I love those aha moments, but right now I'd prefer to do it the analysis way. I just want to know what to do when I grow up. I'm running out of time, and those aha moments aren't a sure thing!

Bethy --

You are right...no moment is a sure thing. All we can do is make the most of each moment as best we can.

My screen is starting to blur, so I'd say my brain is going to mush for the night. Just say no to bed bugs. (^_~)

"Iran has been especially angry with the UK in recent months because of the launch of the BBC Persian TV channel, which was set up to provide impartial news and analysis, in Farsi, to an audience that is squeezed between state-controlled TV and US-based stations which lack weight or credibility."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/19/iran-khamenei-uk-gordon-brown

"lack weight or credibility"? nooooo

Go to Huff Post and listen to the "Poem for the Rooftops of Iran". Spoken in the dark by what sounds like a young woman in Iran. It will send a shiver through your spine.

Oh young people of Iran, our thoughts, hearts and prayers are with you. We wish for a better life for you.

Now there is a bunch of young people that aren't going to have it easy but they will be the ones that will have to make a difference. It's their future.

Every young person in America should listen to that young Iranian woman and then thank God you live in here.

I see young people in jail who had good parents who gave them everything and they expect that they can have what they want without working for it. Some kids of doctors, lawyers, judges. I over hear some of those young people laughing about how they can't wait until the old man croaks so they can inherit his money.

Then I see young people who had a mama who was on drugs or a prostitute, no father anywhere in sight. They really didn't have a chance. No one told them they could be something. Even though it is none of my business, I try to tell them they too can be something. It's up to them. I tell them to use this down time to dream and get their GED if they didn't finish high school.

I heard once in this Unity program I went to that C+B=A. What you can concieve and believe, you can achieve. I love that concept. I share that with them. In some I see a light go on. Someone actually took the time to tell them they had potential. I don't know if it does any good, no way to tract them when they leave but it's worth giving it a try.

Planting a seed of self worth is more important than ordering some ibuprofen for their headache. You can use your gardening skills in medicine.

I thank my parents for telling me since I was old enough to listen that I would be something. I would go to college. That I could be whatever I wanted to be. It worked.

I had a thought one day that instead of kids saying the pledge of allegance in school. They ought to have them say the pledge of self respect. It is especially important for those kids who don't have parents to do it. Make them stand up everyday and say I am important. I can be anything I want to be. I will make this world a better place because I am here. Maybe something as simple as that can work. It's worth a try.

helicopter fiasco still hovering?

al jazeera banned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4459033.stm

"So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism."

this taken from young iranian quote that dexter posted at 5:55 yesterday. ??????

Sturg - Some others are hovering.... So you can now start to change "White House (insert choice) Fiasco" as the Barack Obama has accountablility for the first time in his life.

Approval ratings are starting down quickly

Choice
1 Economic
2 Foreign Policy
3 Healthcare
4 Failure to support American Values.

Add your own...

Tick Tock goes the clock

OK - Change
4 Failure to support Traditional American Values

In North Carolina - Heading out

Carol, how different are the specialty-specific educational and training requirements for a specialty such as family care for an NP as opposed to a physician? I suppose the requirements may vary state-to-state, so choose a state that you believe is on the forefront of granting privileges to NPs.

What should the role of specialist-physicians be in an NP-rich environment?

Are the Univ ov South Carolina's programs leading to a DNP credible within your profession?

Carol, it sounds like I'm presenting a final exam. I really am curious because of my granddaughter and the implications on her future.

Please, Carol, don't make this your weekend project :)

Ping, what is the loyal opposition doing to help make Mr Obama's Administration successful?

we hover that we may swoop............and now i swoop to stain and spray......

Sturg, this helicopter thing has been a circle-jerk since it started. It was as if the proverbial blind men were tasked to design the future elephant based on their personal observations.

I say, let the marines who are tasked to fly the damned thing come-up of with the specs and preferred manufacturers of the airframe and major components.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237918
"Left to its own devices, our brain activates several areas associated with complex problem solving, which researchers had previously assumed were dormant during daydreams. Moreover, it appears to be the only time these areas work in unison."

Ivy, I loved reading that article you linked.
.... I also enjoy those 'aha' moments ("An 'aha' moment is any sudden comprehension that allows you to see something in a different light,")

Proof we are one up on computers (I hope?) ""Solving a problem with insight is fundamentally different from solving a problem analytically," Dr. Kounios says. "There really are different brain mechanisms involved." (although I guess a computer could be programmed to do that, but still, it would be from a different set of circumstances than each of us experience.)

I'm not caught up yet, but still, had to stop long enough to comment on that. Thanks.
.... be back later.

Flatus, I can't compare since I am not familiar with physician educational requirements.

And the DNP is the way of the future. It will be required for practice coming up soon unless grandfathered in. I don't plan to go back to school again since I have the same or more education that will now be considered a DNP.

I recommend that a nurse wanting to become a NP, spend some years practicing nursing first. There is no substitute for experience. I certainly wouldn't want my current job without all the previous experience I have had. I use all of it plus. I did already have my master's with education/clinical focus before I went back for the NP.

And all the crap about those who can't do, teach. That's a bunch of poop. My best knowledge base/preparation came from all my years of teaching. Because of it I have a little medical encyclopedia in my head . And I had to teach physical assessment and pathophysiology, two of the most important content areas for making a good diagnosis.

Another good thing about teaching is that since I couldn't pay my bills doing it, I had to moonlight practicing all the time.

And another little comment I want to share about health care. They don't make it profitable to do the things that really make a difference in the health outcomes like getting a good assessment and education. That takes too long and doesn't pay. It is more profitable to run them thru, do things half ass and write a prescription.

I worked for this old Doc several years back. He became a professional drug dealer. He had his patients lined up and wrapped around the block waiting to see him.

I learned that at one time he used hypnosis with his patients. He even wrote a book on it. He understood the connection between mind and body. But the system distroyed that. There was no money in it. It was easier and more profitable to just write them a prescription and usually that was for a narcotic. His patients left very happy and none ever wanted to sue him.

Somehow reimbursement should be based on outcomes not numbers of patients run thru your office. Probably too complicated to ever achieve.

And that is one of the things I like about working at the prison. It is that no one is standing over me saying faster, faster. Well actually the nurses are because they want to get their work done for the day but I just ignore them. I don't have to make a profit so outcomes are more important to me.

ct, perhaps if outcome could be easily quantified and factored in when determining profit, all would be satisfied.
this is on the order of balancing the costs of detriment to the environment and whatever clean up is required to the costs of regulating the polluter/potentially damaging activity.

since everyone dies ultimately, likely death can't be a determinate. maybe the unlikelihood of an earlier death would be a viable benchmark. it seems hard to pinpoint outcomes for healthcare in some circumstances.

You know maybe it wouldn't be too tough. You guys, as smart as you are, can come up with some solutions. They could give health care practitioners a salary. Base the salary on outcomes instead of numbers of patients. Also give bonuses if they can achieve the outcome in a cost effective way.

just voted for cbob's solar oven idea on ideablob.com.... anyone familiar with their $10,000 month giveaway for best ideas? stumbled on it when researching solar stuff out there so tho't i should vote.
go bob! hope he wins. make a lot of ovens with $10,000... maybe even some on bikes.

Carol, I think the first time I ever saw that quote (oh, so many years ago) was by Napoleon Hill. It was in one of his books, but I just did a search, and now there's an old clip on youtube of course. Very dated, but I was trying to remember where it originated. Still not sure when it was first said.

"I don't have to make a profit so outcomes are more important to me. "
I am hopeful that Universal Health Care would actually help us work toward this end (I know, optimistic), but the people I've seen on Medicare and Medicaid get such better health care than most of us. Hell, those inmates of yours get better health care than I do.

"Iranian police have used water cannon, batons and tear gas to disperse protests in the capital over the presidential election, witnesses say."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8110582.stm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237940
I forgot to quote it: "What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve".

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"OK - Change
4 Failure to support Traditional American Values"

Ping
This is such BS from your side!! I welcome the CHANGE,its some of those "Traditional American Value's" I fear!! Republicans lack any moral authority and creditability.Your side really needs to come up with some constructive plans rather than the same regurgitated nonsense...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/opinion/20herbert.html?th&emc=th

"A Threat We Can’t Ignore"

"Even with the murders that have already occurred, Americans are not paying enough attention to the frightening connection between the right-wing hate-mongers who continue to slither among us and the gun crazies who believe a well-aimed bullet is the ticket to all their dreams.

I hope I’m wrong, but I can’t help feeling as if the murder at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington and the assassination of the abortion doctor in Wichita, Kan., and the slaying of three police officers in Pittsburgh — all of them right-wing, hate-driven attacks — were just the beginning and that worse is to come."

ct's remarks on health care on right on.
And I think the health care industry on its own is moving in the wrong direction. When I first joined Kaiser in the 1970's it provided incentive and opportunity for preventive care. Now it's just another insurance company nickel and dimeing you to the poor house. I never thought I would leave Kaiser but when I turn 65 I will be carefully considering my options for my medigap coverage and currently Kaiser is not my number one choice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/opinion/20collins.html?th&emc=th

"A Nation of Candidates"

"The Republican Party has finally turned into a big tent. Everybody’s a presidential contender! Being a Republican senator is pretty much an automatic qualification. After all, there are only 40 of them. Once you’ve eliminated the ones with sex scandals and the guy from Kentucky who uses a teleprompter in debates, there’s hardly enough left to fill up a stage at the Iowa State Fair.

One of the reasons that Republican presidential hopefuls are proliferating like rabbits is that the usual suspects — the names that come to mind when you ask people who they think will run against Barack Obama in 2012 — are such an underwhelming crew."

Market won’t fix Rx care
" ...large employers and insurance companies can negotiate prices with pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and physicians’ groups.

That’s what the federal government does with Medicaid and Medicare. Oddly, many in the GOP detest that, calling it government “price control." http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/tucker/stories/2009/06/21/tucked_0621.html

Posted by: tonyb39 Author Profile Page | June 20, 2009 9:37 AM

You Go Guy

Republicans have some nerve talking about traditional American values since they have corrupted the very notion

I got lots of chores today. Already been working on them since 6a, not just blabbering here.

And of course, grocery shopping. I think I found a couple of square inches in the frig that is clear.

Ya'll work on this problem. Hey Obama, Hillary, Trailmix will fix this health care problem for ya. Just stay tuned.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-19/10-funniest-news-videos-of-the-week/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL2#gallery=382;page=8

Richard Simmons comes out swinging on FOX with Cavoto..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237872

Chloe/Ivy

Back many years ago, I had a friend tell me, "Crisis doesn't bother you. You know how to handle that. It's peace and quiet that give you a problem."

Another factor that you guys can chew on is that it is the patient that insists that the health care practitioner practice horrible and expensive medicine. They won't come back if you don't.

They come in with the sniffles and want an antibiotic.
Most cases of the sniffles are either allergy or virus. Neither is treated with an antibiotic. They are actually counter productive. Inappropriate use of antibiotics leads to antibiotics that lose their effectiveness. Years and millions of dollars to develop, millions of dollars to market and then all down the drain with inappropriate use.

Try to explain that to a patient. The dumber they are the less likely you are to get thru to them. They think you are an awful practitioner if they don't get what they order.

Patient goes home, feels better in a couple of days and then stops the antibiotic and saves it for another occasion of the sniffles. Bad, bad, bad!

This also goes for bronchitis, which is more often a virus and empiric antibiotic therapy is not warranted in most cases.

I know some of you are even guilty of this?? Another good thing about working at the prison. I don't have to make them happy to have them come back. I can practice good medicine.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237948

"they have corrupted the very notion"

KGC
So True! Its the do as I say not as I do stuff that gets me..Like Reagan cutting taxes on the wealthy and then turning around and taxing the unemployed..Traditional Republican American Value #1 take from the poor and give to the rich...Oh Ya....

And then again there is that more than real possibility that no one really wants to fix the problem with health care but wants to make it look like they do or care. Not the politicians, not the health care professionals, not the health care entities, not the patients. They all do stand to lose something if it is fixed. Think about that!

"Crisis doesn't bother you. You know how to handle that. It's peace and quiet that give you a problem."

Your friend may have been right Jamie.
But hell, I can create a crisis whenever I want. Even if I don't create one, I can imagine myself in the middle of one. It's never all that peaceful in my world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html

Wasn't it JFK that said regimes that don't alway peaceful revolution amke violent ones inevitable?

We have it easy here in America. Since 1978, the Iranians have been waiting for liberty. Violence is taking hold today and we shall see what the administration says.

Was I right about the Democratic plans to reduce missile defnse? Well that made it 6 months as Gates scrambles to protect Pearl Habor.

A headline Reid and Pelosi, Obama and Levin said would never happen.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0620/breaking20.htm

Has Obama made the UK the "Great Satan"?

Once again women in Iran risk their lives. Shall they live as second class citizens under theocracy?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/19/iran.protests.women/index.html

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237950

Tony,

That was great. Loved the "What goes on in your brain?" question to Cavuto. It really does leave your head shaking that people like him thinks it is wanting a "nanny" state because you want children to have exercise and healthy food.

For us older types who grew up in the era of the "cafeteria lady", when school lunch really was a hot well balanced meal prepared at the school to see the kids getting microwaved corn dogs and no Phys Ed is practically criminal.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237957

.... very nice quote Max.

http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=110&Itemid=2

THis was written to Obama a year ago by Iranian freedom fighters....interesting insn't it?

"For us older types who grew up in the era of the "cafeteria lady", when school lunch really was a hot well balanced meal"

My memory of that is soiled by the fact that in my school, they made us eat three bites of everything, even the things I hated. We learned to hide it in our milk cartons though (although sometimes they checked, can you imagine?). Seriously though, there is a lot more awareness of nutrition now. It's too bad so many ignore it.

Jamie, I think that nanny state expression they use is just an easy cop out for them. It's a way for them to negate opposing view points without actually having to think.

THanks Chloe. It seems violence is what the Mullahs will use now. Obama will gain nothing from being nice as Iran already blames the US for protests.

I guess it is on to plan B for the O-team. It is interesting the Mullahs faked terrorism in 1979 to turn the people harder against the Shah. I expect the same.
Most Western nations are holding rallies today in solidarity with the protesters.

And let us observe Carter has said nothing. As far as America not spilling blood for Iranaian freedom,

http://www.howardbaskerville.com/

I know foreign gov'ts are trying to stay a bit out of the way & let Iran implode, but the people of other nations, (those who feel so inclined to support free & fair elections) could wear green tomorrow as a sign of support.

Consider this scenario:

Obama says "we stand shoulder to shoulder with our brothers and sisters in their fight for freedom and human rights in Iran"

The mullahs declare the protesters are an instrument of 'the great satan." Iranian nationalists standing on the sideline take offense at 'western interference.'

Security forces crack down hard...hundreds of protesters killed and injured.

The United States can do nothing. Protesters wonder why the U.S did not do something after pledging support of their cause.

More bitterness, now among all factions, in Iran.

In my view, the Administration is playing this about as well as it can be played.

A really silent protest...but eveybody in green & it's not a drunken St. Pat's Day party. Quite an image.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237958

Jamie
Yes very good! Cavuto is just another tool of the right.Nanny State just more code words for Socialism..Like I tell Grace all the time you Republicans don't want to help even children through school programs but your more than happy to build prisons....

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004894.html#comments Boxer bitch slaps

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2007/oct/sen-boxer-halt-immigration-enforcement

The history of Boxer is not pretty, but the bio of the genreal she scolded is quite impressive. She haedly earned her seat like the general earned his stripes...

The mullahs declare the protesters are an instrument of 'the great satan." Iranian nationalists standing on the sideline take offense at 'western interference.'

You obviously haven't been following the events Joe. Violence is already rolling out. Nationalists? Did you know the Mullahs renamed the street of the greatest nationalist because they despised him and side with the Shah to overthrow him?

Since you all don't want any US force used and the Mullahs reject any attempt to curb nuclear progress, say again how staning in solidarity with freedom protesters as Europe does hurts us?

Max,
What do you think would be gained by Obama encouraging the demonstrations and giving the mullahs a pretext for more violent crackdown? You don't really believe the U.S. would (or should) commit to military action in support of the demonstrators, do you?

The US should definitely STAY OUT of a sovereign nation's elections whether it's Iran or Palau.

Did craig go to last night's shindig?

BTW, let's have some OTHER country like, oh Brazil or Mexico deal with Iran INSTEAD of the US.

tt

Was Craig at the Radio & Television Correspondents' Dinner?

Where there Tweets?

tt

Solar -
Your comments about the oven got me looking at the pedacab makers.

A German design -

http://www.die-fahrradwerkstatt.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=31

Thought for the day :
" Take a lesson from the weather: It pays no attention to criticism. "

Looks like SuperMax is saber rattlin' again.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237979

dooty
Oh yes..I don't get how some want to wage war with the world..Its like they don't pay attention.We already have 2 wars going on but i guess with some the more the merrier..Its usually those like Bill Krystal and Cheney who have never served who beat the drum the loudest,Max you ever served????

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* Pagans called the Midsummer moon the "Honey Moon" for the mead made from fermented honey that was part of wedding ceremonies performed at the Summer Solstice.

* Ancient Pagans celebrated Midsummer with bonfires, when couples would leap through the flames, believing their crops would grow as high as the couples were able to jump.

* Midsummer was thought to be a time of magic, when evil spirits were said to appear. To thwart them, Pagans often wore protective garlands of herbs and flowers. One of the most powerful of them was a plant called 'chase-devil', which is known today as St. John's Wort and still used by modern herbalists as a mood stabilizer.

http://www.chiff.com/a/summer-solstice.htm

Bill Maher -

This is because we don't have a left and a right party in this country any more. We have a center right party, and a crazy party. And over the last thirty odd years, Democrats have moved to the right, and the right has moved into a mental hospital.

Real Time New Rules June 19, 2009
http://crooksandliars.com/

Protestors in Tehran, stand strong. Thoughts and prayers are with you.

Fair's song for the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGOfTJTYkWs

Faron Young's my contribution to the Blogstream Sat. Night Music crawl.

"I am prepared For martyrdom, go on strike if I am arrested #IranElection38 minutes ago from web

(He said this in Jehhoon Street, at 8:30pm Tehran time, a western-based Iranian says, because the state security service is blaming him on TV for the unrest.)

Mousavi Msg cntd: people no longer have fear. If I am arrested people should engage in an indefinite strike. I'm ready to die #Iranelectionless than 10 seconds ago from web"

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/

question: how do they know the twitter mousavi is mousavi? could others tweet using his name and #?

"A New York Times reporter who was kidnapped by the Taliban has escaped and made his way to freedom after more than seven months of captivity in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/world/asia/21talibancnd.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

Marcy Winogard will be running against Jane Harmon in 2010 - talk about uphill battles. What is interesting is that she is challenging Harmon now to get behind single payer.

http://winograd4congress.com/petitions/single_payer_video.php

I think we all need to nag all of the current crop of Congress Critters to stop selling their souls to the highest bidder and do this one little thing for the people they are theoretically supposed to be representing.

Belizean Grove...as women's answer to the 130-year-old all-male Bohemian Club in California."

Heard about this organization last night on one of last weeks Colbert Reports. Interesting organization.

http://www.belizeangrove.com/

Evidently Sotomayor was a member and she had to resign because it's an all womens club.

"Federal judges are bound by a code that says they shouldn't join any organization that discriminates by race, sex, religion or nationality."

"The Belizean Grove is a constellation of influential women who are key decision makers in the profit, non-profit and social sectors; who build long term mutually beneficial relationships in order to both take charge of their own destinies and help others to do the same,"

Of course other supreme court justices are members of all either all men or all women clubs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/19/sotomayor-quits-belizean-_n_218307.html

So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism."

this taken from young iranian quote that dexter posted at 5:55 yesterday. ??????

Posted by: patd

Okay, I'm not exactly sure about this but I THINK this is what the quote means:

Until 1935 what is now the Islamic Republic of Iran was still designated Persia, the remnant of the old Persian empire of roughly the sixth through third centures BC. This Iranian is pointing out that "we" still consider themselves to be of Persian, not Arabic, ethnic stock.

Persia was conquered by Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula in AD 637. That Muslim empire was in turn overthrown by Mongols (aka the people from the steppes of Central Asia who held land from the Far East all the way to the edge of Eastern Europe, under a series of rulers beginning with Genghis Khan) in 1220.

Their ancestors surrendered to the Arabs and the Mongols, in other words, but they don't intend to surrender to the despots within their own country.

(Okay, feel free to throw stuff at me, but I think that is what you're asking about, patd. It's simplistic and I need to do WAY more research, but that's what I think the anonymous speaker meant.)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237956

Max,

The problem in Iran is that they dumped the Shah to get away from American and British Imperialism that had been imposed on them since the 1950s because they wanted an Islamic state. Unfortunately, they expected to get a modern, democratic Islamic state without imposed religion (which by the way is according to the teaching of the Koran). Instead they got an Islamic dictatorship.

Now the young people are trying to get back to that original intent with free elections. Dictators don't relinquish power easily.

CBob

Thanks for the reminder on Midsummer - I stole it and then did variations on the theme.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

In the USA , when people march to discontent, or demonstrate, they are herded into pens and handcuffed and drug off in paddy wagons to detention centers and then documented and processed and then released, perhaps with a pending court date.
It didn't used to be this way, but it is now.
This will be interesting to see what happens in Iran today.

Jamie, they have a summer solstice festival in the Fremont neighborhood in Seattle. I've been to it a couple of times. It's nice. There is a group of guys who ride their bikes thru in their birthday suits. I'm not sure but you may have already missed that.

CT

I saw a news bit about the birthday suited bicyclists. They actually had to wear thongs which kind of defeats the purpose.

My whole attitude on that sort of thing is, "Just because I've retired, the darn things start growing wild"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237991

kt, thanks for putting in perspective timewise the ebb and flow persia has endured. my question however has more to do with the repeating phrase "so they know" and what is behind its repetition. seems the writer has a message other than a reminder of known history. read it again and see if you hear what i heard:
"I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism."
of course this may be a bad translation and i'm seeing things that were never said

Actually Jamie they are probably riding by just about now. The parade started at noon.

http://www.fremontfair.org/

It's 97 F in the shade outside right now. Pant, pant, pant. Don't need C-Bob's oven to cook corn here.

I'm sitting in the AC looking out. I run out and run back in. I see it is cool 54 F in Seattle right now. Beam me over.

Carol, It's a cool 95 degrees here right today. But our forcast for Tues. and Wed.: High: 101°Low: 75°, High: 102° Low: 75°
.... we're north of Houston, so it's a couple of degrees cooler down there, I guess because it's closer to the ocean. It'll probably be only be about 100 there on Wed

...odd, we normally don't go above 100. It's going to be a really hot summer, if this is any indication (as though I'm not used to that).

Are you having the same drought we are having Chloe? I water my container plants in the morning and they start to wilt by 1p. I need to water three times a day right now.

It's only 98.5 in the shade right now. Wait until tomorrow when summer is _really_ here :)

Yes we are Carol. No rain in over a month now.
I think we may have pretty much the same weather as you.

Sorry Chloe! Do you know a good rain dance?

When you look at it that way Flatus, it's downright scary. I just looked at our normal June average and it's 91. This year we may hover around 100, at least in the next week.

Carol, If I did, I'd been dancing long before now.

Only good thing is that this weather, high pressure, is not conducive to hurricanes. No self respecting hurricane would stick it's toe in here with this heat.

What's August and September going to be like? Usually they're our worst months. When I was vacuuming the pool the other day, I stuck my hand in the water and it felt like warm bath water. Not refreshing.

The weather is odd. It's muggy.
I'm going to a birthday party --the theme is the feast of St Anthony the patron saint of lost things and animals. I'm going as the Lost Weeked.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238001

Hey Chloe
Same here 98 out on the lanai..We have had a lot of rain though just about every afternoon this week for about an hour then the sun comes back out and its even more humid...

Carol
Same her with the pool its 90 so its cooler than the air but not really refreshing.I do have a function on my solar heater that actually runs at night and will cool it down but i hate to use it as it wastes electricity running the pool pump...It does a great job so I wait till the water gets 90 and I cool it to 85...Nice...

How does the solar heater cool the water down Tony?

Kat, St Anthony and I are good friends. He is always helping me find my stuff.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238014

Carol
It runs the through the PVC pipes and sends it through the panels on the roof.I guess because the air temps.cool to 75 degrees through the night it cools the water..Works well but takes electricity to run the pool pump..

Just got in and catching up.

Ivy

"Here's something from today's Wall Street Journal to get your rambling mind around.."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124535297048828601.html

"The burst of mental clarity can be so powerful that, as legend would have it, Archimedes jumped out of his tub and ran naked through the streets, shouting to his startled neighbors: 'Eureka! I've got it.' "

thanks I really liked that article. I saved it to my doc's. I never needed an excuse to run naked thru the streets :-)

I did get my self in trouble with my neighbor. I wrote that my neighbor Tom- had passed away about 8 months ago. I have been cutting the grass and doing the yard work for his wife Mary.

Mary is about 89 years old and very sharp still. She has trouble getting around so she doeskin go out very much. She has a very thick brogue and I have to really listen to her. She loves me to tell her jokes. She says that I tell the best dirty jokes-that have now swear words in them.

Last night we had some very loud thunder. I jumped out of bed at about 3 am I thought it was artillery fire. Took a little a few minuets to calm down.

Well any way Mary asked me about the thunder last night. She asked my if I heard it-and if it kept me up. I told her that-that was no thunder. that was my us - having a climax.

Mary looked at me like she could not believe I said that-and broke out laughing her ass off. She would not stop. Kept trying to say something to me but couldn't. I went out side to cut her grass. left her still laughing.

Judy her daughter came over an hour after I finished cutting the grass and was half ass complaing to my wife Judy about what I had told her mother.

My wife Judy called me when she left and asked me what I said to Mary. I told her that-that the loud thunder that she heard was you having a loud climax.

Now it was Judy's turn to look at me-then crack up. I told her that it wasn't that funny. Not a big deal. My wife Judy told me-that the reason that Judy our neighbor was mad was cos her mother had peed her pants literally- that had to be changed twice.

Judy told me to go the park and play with the other kids-or play with my computer. so here I be.

C B

I took a look at that pic from Germany on the ped a cab. I looks a little long to me. Won't it have trouble with control?-but that's the way to go. A little counter weight should might be needed also no-if it is that long:

kt, thanks for putting in perspective timewise the ebb and flow persia has endured. my question however has more to do with the repeating phrase "so they know" and what is behind its repetition. seems the writer has a message other than a reminder of known history. read it again and see if you hear what i heard:
"I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism."
of course this may be a bad translation and i'm seeing things that were never said

Posted by: patd

Oops. Sorry, Pat, I messed up bad there. . .

If this were a formal speech, I'd call the repetition a rhetorical device. He wants it made clear that, though the most likely outcome is that the protests will be brutally put down and Ahmadinejad and co. will use their media and write their history to make the protests look like the work of a few malcontents wanting to overturn a beloved, strong government, there is another side to the story. He wants to make sure ("so they know") they remember. Trouble is, his words are more likely to remain with us, outside Iran, more than they will resonate with generations to come in Iran; they won't be preserved, save perhaps in his family.

Just sayin'--

E mailed to me

Distorting US Intel On Iran: Obama Follows Bush’s Lead, Again

Any intervention by the U.S. government on behalf of the Iranian opposition is destined to backfire given the role it played in overthrowing Iran’s last truly democratically elected prime minister and its subsequent support for the brutal dictatorial reign of the shah, a reality President Obama appears to be mercifully aware of in rejecting self-righteous calls from the likes of John McCain for him to show greater "solidarity" with the Twitter-savvy protesters. Still, while Obama’s generally calm and considered response to the Iranian election is appreciated, it would be nice if he could refrain from repeating unsubstantiated accusations about an active Iranian nuclear weapons program his own Director of National Intelligence says doesn’t exist.

Case in point: On CNBC this week, Obama commented on the "amazing ferment taking place in Iran", but noted the difference between Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his challenger, former Prime Minister Mir-Hossein Mousavi "in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as has been advertised." This much is undoubtedly true. It’s what follows that’s not:

Either way, we were going to be dealing with an Iranian regime that has historically been hostile to the United States, that has caused some problems in the neighborhood and is pursuing nuclear weapons. And so we’ve got long-term interests in having them not weaponize nuclear power and stop funding organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas. And that would be true whoever came out on top in this election.

Likewise, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters earlier in the week that the president "is committed to direct engagement with the Iranian government on issues of our national interest, including their pursuit of a nuclear weapon and their sponsorship of terror."

While one is entitled to suspicions about Iran’s ultimate intent, it remains the consensus opinion of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran does not have an active nuclear weapons program, and indeed suspended whatever program it may have had more than five years ago. Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair, an Obama appointee, stands by that assessment, and recently told Congress that it remains the intelligence community’s opinion that Iran’s leadership has not made the decision to pursue nukes. And as highlighted in a recent piece by Jeremy Hammond, editor of Foreign Policy Journal, a recent unclassified report prepared by Blair’s office for lawmakers similarly declares: "We do not know whether Iran currently intends to develop nuclear weapons." A report from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (pdf) released in early May likewise states: "There is no sign that Iran’s leaders have ordered up a bomb."

Louisia Environmental Project - Taking down a levee

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/science/earth/20levee.html

Flatus - the loyal opposition?

Interesting question - But can you not support the continued Government growth which is the primary MO of BO and still are loyal?
It is not about Obama's success as he is trying to buy the way with the easy button.
Sorry but this is a failed path..

Barack Obama is a placebos !

He has good intentions, just no experience or knowledge on how to create a lasting solution. But what can be expected from a Naive Neophyte? (Under used line)

And Sadly – Intelligence nor ability are not a requirements to be elected to office - so no backup support from the Congress

We must create process and systems that are self staining - not print money for every reason.

We must REVERSE this thought that a Central Government with a Charismatic leader will fix it !!

It is up to us – From our own health to taking care of our Neighbor!

MaX click on the pdf link-I hope it works. If not. I will type it in. It'd that important

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), meanwhile, which inspects Iran’s nuclear facilities, declares in its most recent report (pdf) that, "As has been reported in previous reports, the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran." And outside of the credulous Washington Times, no one appears to be suggesting Iran is covertly enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels – neither the IAEA nor U.S. intelligence agencies.

All these facts seem highly relevant to claims Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Perhaps some intrepid reporter should mention them next time a high-ranking U.S. official ignores them? To his credit, George Stephanopoulous, host of ABC’s This Week, during a recent interview with Admiral Michael Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, did just that, noting "the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate" — the formal opinion of the U.S. intelligence community — "concluded with a high degree of confidence that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons programs."

Mullen, however, showed how irrelevant facts are with regard to U.S. foreign policy, offering this stunning, Rumsfeldian defense of his belief Iran is pursuing nukes: "I remain concerned that while intelligence estimates focus on what we know, I’m concerned about what Iran might be doing that we don’t know."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238022

Well Gee Ping,

We gave you guys eight years. What was the problem? Why is everything you didn't do now crashing down on Obama's shoulders? It's almost as if you you wanted to lose so you didn't get stuck with trying to clean up the mess you created.

Standing on the sidelines now saying, "You're doing it all wrong" is downright offensive. How about pitching in and actually being of some use for a change.

But Jamie... Not 8 Years - The fat cat imposters gone in 06 ! Dems then in control. The current methods started long ago.... We have been spending and false economy so granted Obama did inherit many elements - now he is doing the same just on Steroids!

To get off the sideline - the one in control has to allow and listen - not just create a show for apperance

I think many are closer to Conservative Principles then they will admit – we just have not seen them in a long time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfIQVD47H0&feature=PlayList&p=4203C01CD3B1187E&index=0&playnext=1#

Ping

You know darn well that the Dems had a bare majority not a working one. They had Republicans stale mating them at every turn. Cut the pretense. You are too smart for that.

As far as "allow and listen". The Reps didn't do that the whole time they were in charge. It was an extended middle finger on every single issue.

Besides, if they want to be listened to, then they better come up with something better on the issues that a four page plan of generalities. The Republican leadership has absolutely no intent to actually work with the Democrats to solve these issues. They just want their big offices and contributors back.

Ping

I judge both the R's and The D;s pretty harsh.

Jamie is one 100% right on this one. They even bragged about them not letting anything up for voting-if I remember correctly.

Oh and as far as "conservative principles" are concerned. Why is it that when uttered by Republicans, it always sounds like, "Screw you, I've got mine."

Jamie - My point is the Pretender Republicans started a fiscal disaster years ago. I agree that Barack picked a bad time.
The methods of Dodds, Franks, Pelosi and others have been the methods of many.

We cannot Spend Spend -
I am disappointed in Barack that he does not use his gift to encourage a better America vs trying to buy it

But what can you expect from such a limited background

It's hard to know who all the people are who are sending twitter messages to the stations, but the pix look very authentic. There seems to be an endless stream of the tweets.

I am worried about the people in Iran no matter what. If they keep it up, there could be horrific violence and lot of life. On the other hand, if they stop protesting they will be punished and life will be much worse.

I've had it with summer already.

I think that the spend-spend was necessarily in order to jump start the economy. what I don't like is that-both the Tarp $- the Stimulus $ was not used ( major portion) for this purpose.

Instead they were used to give our $ to the same people that got us into this mess in the first place!!

Pat B. on the Mc McLaughlin group. Predicted that Obama would be at-below 50% approval on his one year anniversary of being potus.

Solar....
Spend Spend....
Cocaine Cocaine....
Bad Habits must come to an end....

At some point the excess will catch up. The Ying and Yang.... Balance will win in the end.

Now we move to Mega Inflation - that makes the over spending more affordable

Pat B - That was an easy - as he Barack is trending to hig that sooner... Now that for the first time ever in his life he has accountability for actions

Other then being a great dad

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238030

Ping,

The truth is that if I weren't so damn angry at the so called Republicans right now, we could probably agree on some issues. I tend to be more of a classic Progressive without all the prejudices that used to decorate that political branch in the 20s.

Guess that makes me a conservative, progressive, liberal.. My big issue is that there has to be a solid "Commons" as a base or a capitalist system is doomed to destruction. I took one of those political tests and came out a classic Liberal of the Kennedy/Humphrey era. Well the top tax rate then was 60% and we had great roads and schools. If we hadn't wasted it on Viet Nam, we probably could have gotten universal health care.

I've just seen two ads for B of A, about how they want to help people with money problems. I really truly hate that company. Talk about hypocrisy - liars!

Jamie - I find many times once we drill down into the issue that we come to agreement.

As the anger continues to wear down from the prior administartion - the majority and centric will come to question more. Change will come again but this time the right change

The majority of the stimulus money still hasn't been spent Solar. So keep the faith.

Citibank should have been allowed to collapse. Their problems are in incompetence and overseas holdings, not the mortgage or derivative problems of other banks. An FDIC intervention.

We need to stop spending so much money on Chinese crap and start saving, and I'm not sure the recession has been bad enough to cause behavioral changes. Since unemployment is a lagging indicator there's still hope.

Collide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlzcVjzlfeI

What's that constant Pinging in my ears ?

Why it's the secret Republicans beating on the pipes , telling us that if we just let them out all will be well.

"Now that for the first time ever in his life he has accountability for actions"

Huh? You're not speaking of Obama are you? That just wouldn't make any sense.

Here you go music mavens: The 100 essential Folk Songs according to Folk Alley and played here on continuous loop

http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=3&t=live5&islist=false

Did Your favorite make the list?

"Hey, wha' hoppen?"

---Fred Willard

(in "A Mighty Wind")

Saturday night, who's dancing with the crabs ?

don1one..
When has Obama had any true responsibility in single leadership? No hidding behind the Senate votes..

Don't be such a hater, Ping... wait for Barry to fuck up big, THEN criticize.

Dude, he's the President now. Get used to it. He's doing as well as one could expect, given the circumstances, and he's even making a shitload of concessions to conservatives- not that he needs to.

Hate... Ah dark lord... That is your deep and dark world and as such a reflection.....

Barry?

Nah, bud; the Dark Lord's a lover, contrary to public opinion. "Barry" is short for "Barack".

dark lord - Very true,,, The best he can.

I enjoy his idealistic visions - disagree with his methods as we cannot buy our way out.

We need Organic Change and return to individuals responsibility and not huge proven failed big government

Dark Lord - Still owe a dinner?

It's not as if Obama is running the show, Ping... c'mon, man, you know better than that. It's basically the Clinton Administration part Two- plenty of experience there, and somewhat dynastic, to the Dark Lord's chagrin, unless we're talking Phillies... then a dynasty would be OK.

I owe a dinner to someone? Hope they like dried fruit and bean soup; that's what the Dark Lord's having.

Christiane Amanpour is interviewing her husband on cnn right now. I really like this guy.

He said Ahmadineajb is not going to get much of a welcome by world leaders now.

Oh, and Ping... "Personal Responsibility"? Those days are long gone; welcome to the Nanny State, by popular demand. 50 years of TV culture have made Americans dumb, lazy, and narcissistic. It's over.

It's a lot more than the Clinton admin. Certainly Ruben's old crew are running treasure, but Orzag is new and very sharp. Congress and a ton load of lobbyists, not the least of which include bankers and unions.

I think the foreign policy is his though, with good advice from Bill and Hillary, which was really Bill's strong point. The only reason the Clinton domestic agenda went well is that productivity skyrocketed with the advent of the Internet.
Greenspan and Ruben were pretty bad at economics, their failures were hidden to be discovered later.

Don

"The majority of the stimulus money still hasn't been spent Solar. So keep the faith."

Citibank should have been allowed to collapse. Their problems are in incompetence and overseas holdings, not the mortgage or derivative problems of other banks. An FDIC intervention."

They better hurry up. I know a lot of small corps that are now out of Biz. and a lot more on the brink. I have had to sell const. equipment so far. We need that cash in our hands. Not the greedy bastards that f --uped in the first place.

Citibank and the whole lot of em. We should have just started over. Started to make things here in the us again. Started the steel comp's back up. The empty building are still around.

We are loosing more and more machine shops. what the f does it take for them to help the people that they need to tax. So they can have the great life. Go ---R. Paul-- both of em!

Posted by: don1one Author Profile Page | June 20, 2009 9:45 PM

Summers and Holbrooke, too, and I'm sure some others with whom I'm not familiar.

...usual gang of idiots.

Solar,
At least the myth that we can be productive by moving money around has been destroyed. It takes the production of real inventory. Well, and software.

Did you see Ron Paul's email about Obama's initiative to enlarge the scope and power of the Fed? This is just nuts to hand an unaccountable agency even more power. We really are getting near the edge of hyperinflation, in large part because they've been pumping cash into the economy since the early 2000's.

DL

Just had bean soup for dinner. I love it with onions-tomatoes-cilantro. some disced jalapeno. added to it. Lot of pinto beans) 5 large cups) to a gallon of water. when they are a little soft-smash them a little and it comes out thick. I had some fruit in my apple pie.

As I've crawled into this oven project, I've kept an eye out for what others have been doing. Most of the stuff I've seen is well, ..... rather poorly made.
Here's one that really impresses me however. A real smart fellow somewhere in South Texas built this one, and it is damn nice ;

http://www.omick.net/solar_ovens/current_solar_oven.htm

...looks like a dobsonian telescope.

There's a difference between working and setting policy DL. Summers and Geitner set policy, but a lot of the Clinton people are executing Obama's policy. Since they're most of the few experienced dems around, there wasn't a lot of choice. Dem's haven't been good at winning the presidency.

Keep it simple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_box

Don -

No. I did not. I did read some other things that I posted about him. Basically that he was right about 80-90% of what he has been saying all along.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/gop-hypocrisy-on-parade.html#comment-237378

I'll have to try your soup Solar. I have a large flower box of cilantro, a row of peppers, and 28 tomato plants growing. Just add beans and onions. Might have to add a strip or two of bacon for flavour though. :^)

Posted by: don1one Author Profile Page | June 20, 2009 10:00 PM

I'll have to take your word for it. Duly noted.

Interesting segment on C-Span. I've had my brain imaged, there was nothing there.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104310443

Don

You would really like my beef soup. Adding a little bacon to anything is good-but salty. I add whatever meat is left over. Steak. Chicken etc. eat it with corn tortillas.

DL

time for the third?

Don - Did you read this whole thread.?

Sure, Solar, maybe tomorrow... I turned my brain off a few hours ago.

I have to chuckle about prez admin blaming prior ones.

Hell! Dumbya (thx pogo) was blaming Clinton for any and everything for years, even still talking about the Clinton recession in his 7th year. lol, how rich is that.

No Solar, but from your question I'll guess I'm obviously missing something.

'Whole thread' is a relatively meaningless term on this blog, as much as it bounces. Which thread? What did I miss? Did I step in it and will it scrape off?

Not in any hurry. Take your time.

Don- about 10;30 and on a little way's

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-237915

10;30 pm that is

Ping,
As a community organizer. When you're responsible for whether people work or go unemployed, eat or starve, raise a family or go to jail. I've worked in these communities, it's more responsibility than any of us see on a daily basis. Not as much as he has now, but he was responsible, he cared, he mattered, and in his hands were the well being of a lot of people.

Still with the "hopigator" thread? (That's how my son pronounced "helicopter" when he was two. )

Hope Craig's having a good weekend.

(^_~)

Interesting Solar. The show I watched was about the loss of the sense of self. Becoming one with those around us. And it was universal. Pentecostal, buddhist, anyone who spent time in meditation, prayer, or what ever passed for this state.

Fascinating story. For the first time a criminal trial will be allowed without a jury in Britain. Seems protecting a jury and their families against threat and tampering would be virtually impossible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8106590.stm

So is it justice?

"about the loss of the sense of self. Becoming one with those around us. And it was universal. Pentecostal, buddhist, anyone who spent time in meditation, prayer, or what ever passed for this state."

Yes. I would like to be one of the few that truly experiences this sensation. I think this is why Monks escaped to the caves (privacy) in order to feel this. But were not rewarded-because it was to please their one and only God.

this loss of self should lead to one understanding that he is just a little piece that makes us all part of it all. That all of us are one. that is except Max. haha- Max-just kidding: "-)

Bethy

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238056

I think that she/they are the very best. I enjoy anything that she does. I taped her Christian-Jewish-Muslim- Soldiers series. Her husband-I forgot his name (Ruben) is very good also. But don't see him around much.

Fr. Benedict Groeschel talks about this. That as Christians mature, they lose all touch with God. They become one with the all, but have no sense of the Spirit that has lead their lives earlier. He's interesting to listen to.

Max is Max. You know what you're getting with him, and the question is what does he get out of this. He obviously has found a way to become one of a part.

More often i lose patience with some of the regulars. I expect more out of them. Not that I'm one that can point a finger, but conversation can really devolve sometimes.

Well Im the most guilty I guess. Don - even on slow day's I learn a little something here. I really like the little conversations that are more like playing around. I have to say that we each take-or not take away something out of this?

It's just all about you solar, isn't it? :^)

No, you're not a judgmental person at all, Just the opposite, I think you are constantly exploring and come here to sound out different ideas. I really enjoy chatting with you, looking through your eyes from different view points. I like new ideas, even if they're not in line with my own views.

I'm off to sleep, have a wonderful night.

Jerusalem Post coverage of Iran

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245184879516&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/06/defying-islamic-terror-regime-fierce-clashes-on-tehran-streets-iranians-protesters-are-met-with-tear.html

Perhaps this picture says it better.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/06/tweeting-the-revolution.html

Jamie, seems Obama is getting my emails. He mentioned Cairo and basic rights of LIberal Democracy, For Obama, MLK is exactly how to ratchet up the pressue and I still think my idea with Saberi translating Obama's speech to Iranian protestors has merit. He has to make them pay for what they are doing. Perhaps Russia can explain that thier nuclear agreements were with a more responsible government.

Mousavi says he is prepared to die. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/world/middleeast/21iran.html?_r=1&hp

If we are not going to get the regime to blink on the nuclear issue, this deep anger in Iranians is our best option. Perhaps they see the inevitable pre-emption of their nuclear program is as dangerous to them as protesting.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6539/1/

And I find it quite ironic that Iranians are reminding their Mullahs what happened to Saddam. Isn't it funny how those risking thier lives for lberty and freedom look towards the only nation that ever really does anything to advance such rights? I think Hillary and Michelle probably cried seeing the picture at the top. Woman of Iran, kudos for your courage. And of course the men. I don't think the "people" will ever forgive Hamas or Hizb'Allah for daring to beat and shoot Iranians. I wouldn't be suprised if Mossad and the CIA are in play to counter, but this will be an extended chess game with Mousavi's life clearly on the line tonight.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef01157134aa62970b-popup

Overheard in Langley:

"This 'maxtrue' character is blowing our cover!"

Thought for the day :
" No one really knows enough to be a pessimist. "

""More often i lose patience with some of the regulars. I expect more out of them. Not that I'm one that can point a finger, but conversation can really devolve sometimes." Don1one 6/20/09 11:23 pm

Sorry about that, Don1, but since most of the regulars have been here plenty longer than you, I'd have to say
it's for you to fit in, not the reverse. I quite enjoy just about everyone here, and those I don't enjoy, I just walk on by. I've been upset a few times, and disagreed often, but can't say that I feel lofty enough to lose patience with anybody. Don't make yourself sick fuming aabout our inadequacies.

Solar - Amanpour's husband's first name is Jamie and I think his name is Ruben as you said. The other guy is Rubin with an "i." I love the former's voice - it's
so different.

family farm, Hudson NY.

http://thefarmatmillerscrossing.blogspot.com/

sturge, thanks for that link. beautiful squash blossoms. wish there were more family farms out there.

to whom it may concern:

happy father's day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fWFAS6yMM4&feature=related

Happy Father's Day all you guys! In honor of your day I would like to know what you thought was your biggest challenge in being a father and what would be the single most important advice you would give this new generation of young men. You can take your time. The younger generation might really need to know. Obama made some suggestions.

I would also like to know how many kids you have or think you have. That can include those who you have mentored.

Is that too tough a challenge on a day that should be your day to be pampered? You can ignore the questions because I not standing here, starring at you waiting for the answer. It would just be neat to know them.

ct -
Biggest Challenge for me is to the right thing when your child has a real challenge - when to help, when to let them fail. When not to expect to much - let them be them
Be honest, try to be a good example,
Be the Parent - Love them - Be the Parent

and happy solstice!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090621/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_stonehenge

on the first day of summer
my true love gave to me
a high def working tv

Thanks for sharing that Ping. I bet that was tough. Parents really want to make thier kids lives easier. But at what cost?

My first NP job was in the ER. There were these two young men working for the summer there. Both had fathers who were very rich, one was a cardiovascular surgeon and the other a hot shot lawyer in town. Both of their father's expected them to work for their spending money and maybe even some college funds.

Those two boys really impressed me that summer and so did their fathers for making them earn some of their own money.

Sneaking in here....
Happy Father's Day to all you menfolk! And Happy Summer Solstice!

We actually had a day of sunshine yesterday.... I spent most of it outside....
now we're back to our regularly scheduled programming..... rain and only in the 60s for a high today....

I don't like it.... but I can bitch about the weather with the best of 'em.... :0)

Just a couple of days down here Renee would cure ya. I call our prettiest days in the winter and summer here, a Seattle summer day.

song to the solstice and tmr father's day gifts

on the first day of summer
my true love gave to me
a high def working tv

on the second day of summer
my true love gave to me
two blue tooths and
a high def working tv

on the third day of summer
my true love gave to me
three copters spinning
two blue tooths and
a high def working tv

"Confidential memo reveals US plan to provoke an invasion of Iraq"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/21/iraq-inquiry-tony-blair-bush

greenland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8111292.stm

"Confidential memo reveals US plan to provoke an invasion of Iraq"

Let's not and say we did!

aha! now we know why w poopoo'd global warming efforts:

"Much of the oil, gas, gold and diamonds the island holds has been inaccessible because of the Arctic ice covering most of the land mass.

But US experts believe it will become easier to exploit the island's mineral wealth as global warming melts the ice sheets."
[quote from my 8:50 link re greenland independence]

And for Barack - Ping gives him an A++++++ as Father in Chef

He is a great example

Now to enjoy Daughter made Fathers Day Breakfast

The Corpse Flowers of Sumatra

A parasitic plant the Rafflesia lives most of its life within the roots of another plant. Eventually a blossom breaks through the root, grows up to three feet wide, and smells almost exactly like a dead body.

http://boingboing.hexten.net/2009/06/20/the-corpse-flowers-o.html

In honor of you men here, I washed my truck. I think it had been over a year since I last did it. Usually it rains and rinses the dust off and it is that color where it doesn't really show dirt much. It's a Tundra and that variant gray color. It's smiling now.

Now I'm starting my Father's Day dinner for my 80 year old stepdad. I've had him for longer than I did my own dad.

He's gonna get sliced cataloupe, home grown sliced cucumbers in a light vinagette, smothered chuck roast, rice and gravy, either boiled fresh home grown corn or freshly snapped prison snap beans, Italian bread, apple or cherry turnover with vanilla ice cream, and some sweet tea. I need this list so I don't forget something.

The sad part is that he would be just as happy if I dumped some dog poop on his plate and served it. If any of you guys/dads don't have somewhere to go, come on over. I'll take you for a river cruise after dinner, if you can still move.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR2009062000287.html?sid=ST2009062001342 Sunday in Iran

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6142 Ahmadinejad warns the US and Britain

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6143 Dangers of Iranian nuclear program

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6539/1 Staging terror attacks to divert attention

Dark Lord, I think this is way beyond the FBI. More like Mossad and the CIA. If I'm disclosing secrets, we're all in deep trouble,,,LOL

Rafsanjani's family arrested as the clerical split widens. With North Korean illgal arms nearing Myanmar, Obama will have a busy week. That blast in Kurd country which killed 60 was triggered by who? The assasination of the top anti-AQ Sunni leader was trggered by who?

Couldn't get that picture out of my head of that young woman dying in the streets of Iran.

Still, my best wishes on Father's Day. And to all the Father's in Iran.......

"Sorry about that, Don1, but since most of the regulars have been here plenty longer than you, I'd have to say
it's for you to fit in"

Funny bethy, but I don't think that's ever going to happen. I would never have grown to be the person I am if I had worried about fitting in somewhere or what people thought.

I'll be polite to Craig, I like him and it's house. There are a few I like to read, a couple I like to chat with, and most of the rest are just there.

But when everyone here has access to some really great wisdom it amazes and saddens me when someone is petty and small minded. I haven't categorized or labeled anyone, so any self selection is your own action.

Don

Don't pet the sweaty things or
visa versa

and we all have our horse, some of us just ride it hader than others

and some of us are better at using spell check and editing.
Obviously I'm not one of them

Jack

No fathers day around here today.
By choice, I'm not a father so can't offer much of an opinion on fatherhood, except to say, "don't do it the way my father did".

The wife thought last weekend was fathers day so we did a little thing for her father . So I guess he got his fathers day early. Besides my wife hauled him around Friday doing medical stuff for him and arguing with stupid doctors offices. That was his fathers day gift, that and I'm taking him, tomorrow, for blood workup and more medical stuff.

I had a great day in the neighborhood yesterday, hard work but fun, will tell you all more later.

Carol
Wish you were closer, a meal I haven't cooked sounds good right now.

Dropped the wife off at the airport this morning, she is headed to Seattle for most of the week. Today is my day to relax, piddle around. I looked at my shed and I've got tools scattered everywhere. A big part of today will be regrouping for next week.

Jack

For my money nothing beats carrying an egg around on the top of your feet, in the dark, for months at -55 F.
Now that's fatherhood.

Jack, even though you aren't a father, I just bet you have mentored plenty of young people. I am not a mother but I have spent a good part of my life trying to make up for it by helping to raise all those nursing students and now my inmates.

I think of my inmates as my teenagers. No matter what their age, they seem to be stuck in their adolescence.

"A big part of today will be regrouping ...."

......I have to do that at least once or twice every day.
Hope you have a great day Jack. I always enjoy the words of wisdom and the way you put the words.

Carol, I sure wish I was going to be there for that meal. I kept reading the menu over and over thinking how good it sounded. That's one thing you and I don't have in common. I don't like to cook anymore, there was a time though.

By the way, that young Iranian woman's name is Neda and her photo is sweeping across the internet...

Later you all non breeders.....

I really don't get into holidays at all. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to ignore them when at all possible..... but I seldom can, because I know how important they are to other people. And so, holidays, birthdays, fathers day, etc. always end up being a big deal.

HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL YOU GUYS. Whether you're a biological father or not is not significant, because I know 'everyone' parents in so many different ways.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238126

What I see things here at Trail Mix, is a little something for everyone. Just sort and take your pick. No need to judge or analyze, unless that's your thing.

Max, you didn't share your fatherhood. wisdom. I assume you are a father.

finally read the obama/ radio tv correspondents dinner transcript. two of his jokes that caught my eye:

"I have to admit, though, it wasn’t easy coming up with fresh material for this dinner. A few nights ago, I was up tossing and turning, trying to figure out exactly what to say. Finally, when I couldn’t get back to sleep, I rolled over and asked Brian Williams what he thought. (Laughter and applause.) ..........................

I just returned from a trip abroad, as you know. In Egypt, we had the opportunity to tour the Pyramids. By now I’m sure all of you have seen the pictures of Rahm on a camel. I admit I was a little nervous about the whole situation. I said at the time, “This is a wild animal known to bite and kick and spit. And who knows what the camel might do?” (Laughter.)

am interested in craig's revue of it. btw, has craig surfaced yet?

Pat, I just checked Craigs Twitter and he hasn't tweeted anything about the dinner. I'm not even sure he went. He's been unusually quiet, maybe he's visited his dad in Florida.

chloe, maybe the 'copter boondogglers kidnapped him.

I went to a wedding last night in the home of friends, as their daughter was married .
The couple have been common-law for a long time, and have three kids, and live in the mountains of Tennessee.
The bride came to be married BAREFOOTED !!

So my sister-in-law blurts out: "Aw, that's just the hillbilly coming out in her!"

Damn, I thought I had seen everything!

At least they left the moonshine mountain dew in the hills!

Somehow I had missed "Hearts and Minds" the documentary, all these 35 years since it was released.
I think it is an honest portrayal of the objectives of the USA in Vietnam .
People forget that Ho Chi Minh approached the US in 1946 for assistance in obtaining freedom for Vietnam from French colonialism...how different it could have been if he hadn't been rebuked with total indifference!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238148

Dexter, I thought I remembered a scene in Runaway Bride where the lead character, played by Julia Roberts, got married barefoot. When I found an article, it reminded me that Roberts went barefoot to her own 1993 wedding to Lyle Lovett http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,272612,00.html

... I also remember reading that she used to go barefoot to her press interviews when releasing a new movie, wearing cutoffs. They were held in a hotel, and she'd have an adjoining room. When you're that rich, no ones going to call you a hillbilly though.... :)

"how different it could have been if he hadn't been rebuked with total indifference!"

Think we've learned anything since then?

"No need to judge or analyze, "

Chloe

Now you are taking all the fun out of it ;-)

Thank god,my computer doesn't have a pickup mike.
My comments on the inanities on the morning news drives the wife nuts. Compared to that this place is nothing.

Jack

Ct, I'm not a father yet.....at least not to any children I know about. My significant others wants to change that........

I didn't know last night that Neda (the picture I posted of a dying Iranian woman) would be a rally cry around the world. Now AP, CNN and others note the escalating clerical split, that this revolution goes beyond upper middle class or Mousavi and the role mobile communcations has revolutionized revolution. We would be well served by having the capacity to provide wireless service should the Mullahs pull the plug. The Iranian economy will not be able to withstand such a total shut down.

I think there is a good opportunity here for the US and Russia to reset their table. We need to accomodate Russian military exports to new buyers on our side in exchange for shutting down supplying Syria, Iran, etc. North Korea places enormous pressure on China. Our leverage is a start of nuclear weapon programs in South Korea and Japan. It is time Obama put on a full course press.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6540/1/ reports and wireless photos seem to confirm more than 150 people killed yesterday and thousands wounded. At this point Mousavi is probably playing for his life.

I can't remember when Americans put so much on the line. I rather doubt Lincoln would have put aside Civil War and lectured Northeners that until a peaceful end to slavery can be achieved, violence was unacceptable.

I think Obama is ratcheting up the response prudently, though I hope he has figured out his game as things get worse in Iran. If the administration fails to exploit this extreme stumbling of the Iranian regime, he will never produce a reasonable Grand Bargain. This is America's best chance to avert military strikes on Iranian facilities as the Mullahs will never agreed to stop.

"Now you are taking all the fun out of it"

It sounded good though Jack. :) Seriously, I know we all do that every minute of the day. Actually, I should have just left it at pick and choose. I guess I was falling into that 'defense' thing.

Jack, if you'd like to be my Dad, that would be just fine:) If mine were still alive, he'd be 106 in October.

My grandfather was one of the relatively few people who was an adult for these major changes:
-horse and buggy to man on the moon.
-candle and kerosene to the total electrification of the country.
-total dependence on mail for personal and business communications, often even within one's own community, then the telephone becomes ubiquitous.
-creation then the evolution of the Victrola.
-the advent of antibiotics.
-and, of course, two World Wars.

He was born in 1879 and died in 1977

Off to our daughter's house

Sorry to disappoint, Don.

Ahh Don, I'm not sure what you meant by "but conversation can really devolve sometimes." I looked up devolve and Wiki writes " ..to delegate something to someone else." That didn't help me understand what you meant.

I was trying to figure out if I was the guilty dog but I just can't tell by that definition. I am often guilty of doing dumbs things but I hope ya'll can tolerate them. I guess if you can't I always have my drunk friend to talk to. I don't even have to make sense to talk to her. And I can ramble because she won't remember.

He's talking about me, Carol. One would assume someone so evolved such as himself would be man enough to point a finger rather than wave it around and cause confusion.

In case I haven't mentioned it in the past 24 hours ... I HATE VISTA!!! I HATE MICROSOFT!!!

Using son's computer. Anybody know how to escape from a CHKDSK that is frozen at 70% of Stage 5 of 5? Taking it to Geeksquad is going to cost me.

BILL GATES SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED

Google it... there are a bunch of forums re: "CHKDSK"

Just got back from another day cutting and trimming my neighbors yard-bushes. One or two more day's-and will be finished doing her hard work for the year. Just cut grass and maintain it.

Carol - The hardest thing about being a stepfather - although my son Tom has never called my stepfather. was when Judy and I first got married.

Judy had a hard time of it since Tom was born. His natural Father abandoned both of them. Has never even seen Tommy. It was hard for her to share him with me.

We almost got divorced a couple of time cos I insisted to be an all around father not just a provider. I would wake him up early in the mornings. To go and work with me. I was harder on him than on my workers until he understood that there was no one special.

Concrete work was not easy for a half spoiled kid. I would insist to do all of the things that a Father would do at all times. good and bad.

All of his employers at one time or other has told me how much they appreciate the hard worker that he is.

As a contractor I have had a lot of young kids with me at one time or another. I once had 28 employees. There were two 18 year olds that had a very hard time with adult authority. I was all due to drugs.

They worked for me for 2 years - that is how long it took for me to get them off drugs and go onto college. A third one went back to drugs and overdosed. I thought it was my fault for a while but realized that it wasn't a little later on.

I get e mail - or a phone call from them once in a while. Back to getting the boneless pork ribs that I put on the grill. Cut a few potatoes- put butter on them with onions and green peppers on the coals on another grill .

I cook bbq for the whole week. Have a some chicken breast - steak and Italian sauseech. Corn on the Cobb.

Tommy is on his way. He always writes me a letter. or some like that . No hallmark cards . I won't except them. I m not big on holiday at all- we make out own.
But Birthday's, Fathers and Mothers day are nice for us to celebrate- if we can have our 35 year old baby with us for the day.

Yesterday in the neighborhood,
http://belmonttopping.blogspot.com/

Your posts are looking good, Solar. Even though it's a contrived marketing holiday, happy father's day.

Thanks for sharing that Solar. It seems that men have a little trouble talking about being a father. They have trouble talking about their feelings also. Why is that? You do seem to have an easier time doing it. It makes you more human.

Yes I agree dark lord. If any of ya'll have any bitching to do about one of us please be specific. I always think I'm the guilty one, I think Bethy does also. I already have a problem with guilt so don't make it worse.

So you think that Father's Day and Mother's Day is just a commercial holiday? I think it's nice to have a special day to honor those of you who have spent most of your lives, and the rest of it also, sacrificing for your children. It forces us all the stop and really appreciate what you have sacrificed.

My father's day dinner was a big hit and I enjoyed preparing it for my SF. Even though he isn't a big eater anymore, he ate everything. Unless he goes out to eat, which he does some, he doesn't get a good meal often. Usually he eats crackers and canned meat and a instant breakfast in the morning. He's 80, even though he looks 60, so there won't be too many more father's days for him.

I was an adult(23) when my SF married my mom. She moved out to his farm and I did a lot of visiting. There was always fun things to do on a farm especially when you didn't have to do them everyday like kids who are raised on a farm do.

I was my SF's side kick and he calls me his favorite stepdaughter. I tell him to skip the "step" part since I have had more time with him than I did my own father.

the only lick i ever really hit was being a father to me little baby girl......

when you look around the table and can't spot the mark........the mark is you.

---bongo seville

Google "Hashemi Rafsanjani". He looks like Boris Yeltsin's Iranian cousin.

That's why I stopped playing cards, Sturge.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238175

I think one of the hardest lessons to pass on to younger people is the sucker deal. You have to loss your money and learn the hard way. I know I did.
Whats sad are ones like my father inlaw. He is 87 and still looking for buried treasure.

Jack

I love to play poker but play at your level and it is fun. Get out of your level and it is a sucker game.

Jack

had me little girl not been born my life would have been one of dim lights, thick smoke, and loud loud music.......adrift on an eternal honky tonk progression with nothing to show at the end but a steamer trunk full of cranky-ass cassette tapes and cheap-ass road souvenirs ......but with her birth came redemption, absolution, salvation, and one fat tonne of hard, hard work.......she was four and I was stuck in old Lodi again, working a very-comfortable-for-the-sticks 3 night a week non-airconditioned hot beer florida webfoots club, albeit only a mile or so from the house, lol.......so I wound up and traded in me 210 smacks a week 3 nighter for a $4.25 an hour cabinet shop job......
from 12 hours in 3 nights to 8 hours, all day, 5 days.........you might say I took the road less travelled by.......

now she has restored antiques, I built her kitchen, and she's going to grad school.......adding more bricks to the wall, steady as she goes...............

ct, maybe don meant the third def from merriam webster:

"3: to degenerate through a gradual change or evolution <where order devolves into chaos — Johns Hopkins Magazine"

and, dark, he acknowledged the pointing finger also points at him. i don't see the alledged slur. but if there were one, at that wee hour, haven't we all mumbled, crumbled and stumbled into incoherencies due to impatience, disappointments and self-disgust ?

We have a lot of flight of ideas and free association here on this blog. It's therapy, each his/her own and I happen to like that. Some good Shrink probably has each of us figured out by now. Now I'm not sure I would want to know how crazy I am.

uh oh

Heh heh. Relax, Sturge. I ain't going there.

Yeah, Jack... it lost some of the fun when my friends became aspiring professional degenerate gamblers. Thanks a lot, ESPN.

Oh, and speak for yourself, patd. We all know the Dark Lord is a paragon of virtue.

a paralellogon?

Sturge, I think you made the right choice. You still have your music.

...knew that was coming. Somewhat trapezoidal, perhaps.

i figger that only a father to a little girl could sing this song so sweetly.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOLH63c7SG0

............i could be wrong, of course...........

amazing with some how the voice can just hang in there.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQWqmiHK-WE

Pat I know that he did!!

I did not want to say anything ab out what Don said. What he meant-is exactly as you explained. He likes to maintain an orderly world. Imo. Sorry for speaking for you Don. I know you won't for your self.

That is why I said that I was the main culprit. I know that I can talk about some pretty wild things at times. He may not be here long. But he fits right in.

DL- ( Champ) Thanks. Like I said I will always remember your kindness- and the effortless way you volunteered to be a good person towards another ( me ) .

I don't know if U know this or not. We all think that U R a good guy-even when U R not being a good guy LOL.

my thought for the day as expressed by ms streisand in her own inimically clinically true-pitched way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u85BMwQse1c

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238180

I can tell U! hahaha _ as a matter of fact im going to. hahaha

My son Tommy had to go out on a date-so did not spend all day with us. Wish that he would get married so I can have a little grandson-or a little granddaughter. He would never get them back!!

Here is the not that he left me.

"Your the best Father anyone could have. You practice it all year round, so on this one special day, here's a few bucks to take Mom out to dinner. Both of you are special all year round.

p.s. Spend all of the money I left, cheap ass.

hey..............some........ok, most.......of my best friends are trapezoidal paralellogons.............

far be it from me to cast o'spersions.............

Though I could, I won't say anything further on that topic. Hey look! I'm evolving! Now only if I could get rid of this damn vestigial tail...

hell...............most of 'em are republicans.........

my friend the artist from rapid city said he went to school with a kid who had an actual bone sticking out the back which was a little tail.........he said it bulged his pants and all the kids used to thump it and cause him great pain.......for some reason it couldnt be amputated........according to my friend the artist from rapid city........

In keeping with the thems of paternity and evolution: If you think I'm an asshole...

Ok, time flies when you waste it. Happy father's day, Sturge, Solar, and the rest.

"themes"

that's the same friend who told me about when he was in high school and his friend's dad drove their 63 chevy biscayne up into the black hills and ran a hose from the tailpipe into the cockpit and thusly died........he picked a good spot and they only found his remains months later..........so, if he and his friends could clean the car up....they had a car......they cleaned in up and all of a sudden they were mo-byle.........they double dated one night and as it was turning cold when they were on their way to the drive-in, Don turned on the heater which blew out 14 kazillion dead flies into said cockpit..........

not=note

Hey Jack. About time that you got all of that garbage off the streets.
Some time those are some fun times-like you said. Everyone gets to know each other a little better.

Big dumpster. What did you do-clean up the whole hood??

people ought not to worry so much about dumb shit.

part two: It's all dumb shit.

part three: except for the stuff that ain't.

Don, the artist from rapid city, got ran over by a truck when he was a squirt and the Shriner's hospital in Milwaukee or some damn where took him in and did what they could but he had to wear braces on his legs........so when he got home, his older brother with a paper route would make him wear the braces outside his dungarees and go into all the bars and restaurants to sell papers.........

did he clean up selling papers Sturge?

they killed 'em.........laid 'em in the aisles........

i was gonna show you one of his pitchers but ran into a peck of trouble on the trail and doubled back.........

there's always tomorrow............

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Dark Lord Bloggingham. I've already done everything but two of what they suggest (well three but the third is unmentionable).

So now I'm on son's computer while mine is left to wrestle with the problem overnight. Theoretically it ran into a difficult transfer and may be taking its own sweet time.

If that doesn't work then it goes to the geeks who will see me bringing gifts

If that doesn't work then suggestion number three involves a physically impossible activity for Bill Gates.

ha ha .....mom and the two olders would be gone somewhere and it would be me and the old man watching the brand-new tv.......a zenith, which from 54 lasted well into the seventies......we'd watch the friday night fights GILLETTE (bom BOM bom.....ba-ba bom-bom bom) and other nights it was "Topper" with the gin-swilling St. Bernard Neil, and god bless Jackie Gleason and Art Carney in the "Honeymooners".........Norton worked in the sewer........

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Checked-in this a.m., made a mental note of this C-Bob thought for the day. Jumped in the car. Drove 400 miles. Listened to a CD on the car audio, Dr. Wayne Dyer. Heard him quote a favorite saying of his, "No one really knows enough to be a pessimist."

That, folks, is a textbook example of "synchronicity."

I've always been under the impression that I know all I need to be a pessimist........

Solar

It was a good day in the neighborhood. We crossed many cultural and ethnic lines.
In addition to the Anglos both black and white, we had an Italian from Italy, vietnamese, both born there and Vietnamese-American. At least 3 different types of Hispanic. Mexico, Honduran and those born here, Chicano/ Mexican-American
Then there was me, the only hillbilly.

We all had two goals
Get our junk in the dumpster and help our neighbor get his in too

As I said A good day.

Jack

y'all remind me to put up one of don's pitchers......you'd like his stuff........he draws mostly clowns and cowboys, and every now and then a stage coach pulling into Kremmling.............

Jack......nothing quite like an honest sleep, eh?

If the world was as bad as most pessimist say , we would all be dead.

I'm not so it's not

Jack,
the cautious optimist, cause we all know every once in a while something is going to sneak up behind you and kick you in the ass

"nothing quite like an honest sleep"

True, but ya got to admit, for us over 50 crowd a little advil helps too.

Jack

environment vs heredity..........I've been seeing Garden Spiders for a long time now........since i was old enough to see spiders, I guess.......
so the tourister neighbors for this week apparently have never seen these gals......Theyre freaking at their steps as they prepare to depart for dinner and I am sitting on my deck with a little weakie drink and thinking about a smoke..........

"Are they poisonous??"

I said.....well, i think all spiders have poison of some sort, but these girls come ever year and eat bugs......that's quite a profession when you think about it......
I said that I'd never heard of one actually getting on anyone in my life......unless you were running thru the woods at night and snagged one, and then it served you right.......
but mostly I told them as how them spiders is the ones who wove "Charlotte's Web"

charlotte was a very handsome spider.........

for a spider........

ba DUMP bump.

Sturge
I've always believed in living in an ecologically balanced house, don't F**k with the spiders.

Jack

Gary Paxton........of the "Hollywood Argyles" of "Alley Oop" fame...

and he's got some doo-wop for yas............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPQZVn-nnv4

the storied innocence of fifties communications........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucu83CZKeGg&feature=related

On Dons earlier comment.

My basic thought was "yea, I've got a list like that" I never really thought about me being on his list, to be honest, I never really cared. He is on my list of "look for to read" as he does intellegent posts.
now I could have easily been on his list but It doesn't worry me because to be honest lately I have probably earned it. I've mostly been doing driveby posting that deserves little conscideration.

Although if you did dismiss my posts, you would be missing out on that incredible wisdom that only I can bring to a conversation.

Jack

the wicked pickett gives another number...................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh2OJZ5gzoA

Jack...........ha ha.............."I am holding in my hands a LIST......" waving papers around.......

Jack nice! What happened to all of those Mexican hillbillies?

Can't be a contractor and be a pessimist-can't!. A nurse either. For that matter a used car salesman. No one that goes to work-no?. I don't really think that there are any pessimist.

It might get pretty damn depressing and some one might check-out: But that's the only time that I think. Lot of people just natural born bitchers of life is all.

The people marching in Iran are definitely not pessimistic. You know who is pessimistic. Oganized religion-relax not going a rant-but think about it.

Maybe I should say that the ones that take the after life thing so seriously-that they can't enjoy this life are pessimistic. Just saying. Even our politicians are optimist. Just shit heads.

Pretty much everyone is an optimist-just some are optimistic about taking advantage off others.

Used car salesman. Has to be one of the most optimistic ones out there- in order to sell one of his junks and not get shot. HA!

.....remember when you could buy an automobile which actually had a record player in it?

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No but I do remember eight tracks, I think I may have some in the basement

Here's the bestest blues brothers tape ever made.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B26ORjxQdNA&feature=related

You know why sunday night always seem to get wierd around here.
The good folks are in church and the rest of us are sipping on whisky, getting ready for tomorrow.

Drunks can either be fun or be mean.

Jack

memphis was a hot potato.......breaking into the NY-Calif shit.....soul men, indeed.......

just speakin for my self

Steppenwolf - The Pusher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpoEmlxUPeQ

"I'm sorry......that wasn't me and if it WAS me, they got the wrong guy...."

---bongo seville

Born to be wild - Steppenwolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm5DPlNCmtk

well, before i sear some meat and get serious about world hunger I'm going to compose a complete and genuine blues tune called

"Oh my brain wants tuna but my heart wants beef........" blues.

lol............."lookin' for the runway......"

one time me and the greek and jet johnson were coming back from a long night towards virginia beach and we pulled onto the grounds.......it was winter......a dark and stormy night......there was ice on everything........everything....we pulled that pony-ack boney-ville onto a washed up runway and got the thing up to around 70 or so on the ice slick runway.......jet johnson was asleep in the middle.......I spun the wheel and the pony-ack commenced to doing a straight line of 360 degrees down the run way.........it was just spinning in it's own orbit going forward at 70 or so.......the greek and I decided to scream, which awakened Jet......we spun for a long time and jet never said a word.......

i left those two guys with a vivid impression of just exactly what
COULD be done with a big old 60 pony-ack.........

sometimes there are barriers which must be over clumb, again and again, until there is no more clumb left to climb....

Know what I mean?

Check it out...........

--bongo seville

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I must say, bongo spoke those words in the middle of a kerouacishly cross country binge in or around 72.........just prior to the snake show..................

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It ain't the bite that gets you...it's the venom.

spinning on its own axis, i meant to say.......really, i had every intention........

I turn on the CNN and I see wolfowitz......wtf?

Carol,
IT'S RAINING!!
Out of no where, rain (and no clouds, but hard rain).
Maybe you're next. You told me to do that rain dance....maybe just thinking about it worked.

"Oh my brain wants tuna but my heart wants beef........"

...always go with the heart.

Im thinking it's tuna night for the pot bellied cajun cat and sturgeone makes repast of the haunch of an animal.......if that be a heart thing, then lettuce have a happy heart.........

If they would just leave the freakin' volume alone on these tv commercials I wouldn't have to hit the mute button! Jeez.

I was bitten by a Black Widow spider once. It was the year I decided to moonlight as a crawfish farmer. Tough moonlighting job.

There was a family of black widows that made a home in the aluminun boat I dragged behind me to dump my crawfish traps in. I had never before seen a black widow. They are big spiders, much bigger than I imagined them to be.

One evening after running my traps, I developed this severe abdominal muscle cramps. I couldn't figure what was wrong. Shortly I found this whelp on my belly. I put two and two together, looked up the symptoms of a black widow spider bite and sure enough I had all of them. I guess one of those spiders "sneaked me." That's a term the prisoners use for a sneak attack.

Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | June 21, 2009 9:40 PM

There is actually legislation in Congress to stop the practice of raising the volume of commercials above that of the actual program which contains them, Ivy. Yet another reason I avoid the tube, though to be frank, I think Congress should be working on more important matters. Relief is on the way, though.

one of bob's dreams.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2vNMJahk

I have a lot of early 50s Fri night memories :

To look sharp,
And to feel sharp too,
Use the razor that was
made for you :
Light, regular, and heavy...
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah!

Archie Moore boxing at age 40, 45, 49. His Everlast rose every year until finally it was up around his armpits.

Perky and bouncy 'Sugar' Ray Robinson, the White Supremecist's nightmare v the morose and hard driving Jake Lamotta, (a sorta White by the usual standards of the Upper Midwest in the early 50s). Man, the people got their money's worth from those two.

Ingemar Johannson.........Floyd Patterson........

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Lord Blog --

They should be able to do it all. We don't elect them to sleep.

In the early 70s, I did those 360s inadvertently while going through the I94 tunnel under downtown ministpaulus, while fellas who'd crashed against the right wall (kinda angle parked, with their nosesbent and their right eyes busted) just watched me spin by in the other 3 lanes. Fortunately, I reached the end of the tunnel, and the dry pavement, with the front end where it's supposed to be. I floored it, and pulled the car's ass into line. Toronado. The immense torque immediately overcame the uncontrolable swish of the of the tail. Zoooooooooooooom. When I finally got through, and found that I was going to live after all, I was shaking.

Thanks for bringing back some sentimental memories. Boxing : sentimental ??? Weird. Very, very weird. And thanks also for that wild, hairyscary memory, Mr Sturgeone.

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Sturgeone,

Heavy Iran coverage. They are burning through anchors trying to stay mostly live on a Sunday when they would normally be in almost full replay rotation.

I think JoshLevs their foreign desk/twitter guy may be sleeping there trying to stay on top of twitter. They are probably giving him coffee intravenously.

Ma loved pa
Pa loved women
Ma caught Pa
with two in swimmin'
Here lies Pa.

--burma shave

Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | June 21, 2009 9:59 PM

For every law they put on the books, they should have to take off two. That would cut out a lot of the silly legislation they pass to pander to their constituents and make it look like they're doing something.

mr x republican......there have been any number of fishtailings in any number of vehicles with a roll-over or two thrown in, not to mention the oak trees........that 360 thing happened to me on the way home from being away between nags head and chawleystowne, same pony-ack and wet road with low pressure in back tires and I was doing the 360 waltz between two very steep ditches down hill.........what I remember most is how when you get to the bottom and pull over those kneecaps can shake like a damn chattering joke false teeth on the pool table down at the fire station................

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Sturg, I hope you remember to post that again next year--it's story's like yours that keep me going from year to year.

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Excellent idea. They should have to make the deletions before any additions.

I turned on CNN this morning and saw fully a third of the screen covered by their 'Breaking News!' and other assorted non-news nonsense. They were supposedly showing street video, but it was all clobbered by their idiotic nonsense.

I'm so disgusted. . lol, Pat, I agree with your 5:51 post , specifically on the last part. My friends and I did the self-disgusted thing real good in years gone by. It's Sunday nite too WJ. ;-)

My daughter and I are really close. I was one of those bachelor father for most of her life. Had a bunch of help from my family and friends. She's 35, happily married (is anyone ever), educated, with a career going now and has her own 3 y/o. Her step-monster, :-) should get most of the credit for 16+ onwards. I think in a pinch she would seek dear wife's input before mine.

Ping said a lot this AM about relationships with your kids (not about politics) that I agree with. Like most relationships, honesty and trust are the most important things that go hand in hand with discipline and praise.

Sol man- feliz dia de los padres. but WWWLD?

ct- I guess spider don't send kites.

Lost ya on that one Rez.

xrep.....we drove like ignorant scotch irish turned loose in wagons which would do 120 miles per hour...............pretty quickly...............lol

Kite (inmate communication), a note or message between inmates or sent by inmates to prison staff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_(disambiguation)

in honor of the old times, i just cut up a potato with the skin into little chunks and put them into this morning's bacon grease to fry........

Rez -

Thanks. The same to you. I guess L D-should have been D L. Cain't nobody teach me to check my friggen post before I post them I guess. Un Paso para delante-do para tras. sometimes .

Chloe, I was going to ask if maybe someone just had their sprinkler on too high even though you don't have close neighbors do you? Then I looked on accuweather and I saw one ittsy bittsy dot of green. OK tell how you did that rain dance.

Hey solar,

I was referring to Obama's use of the phrase wwwld in his correspondent's dinner monologue.

He was gigging at the wingnuts regarding Sotomayor.

What Would a Wise Latino Do? wwwld.:-)

That's a new one for me Rez. I guess I still have lots to learn.

""But when everyone here has access to some really great wisdom it amazes and saddens me when someone is petty and small minded. I haven't categorized or labeled anyone, so any self selection is your own action.""
Posted by: don1one | June 21, 2009 11:09 AM

Don1, Funnily enough I agree that you won't fit in, since you don't want to. Also funnily enough, I didn't "self-select" myself as your target. I have no idea who was your target; my objection to your post was with the idea of your losing patience with some of us. I read that as incredible arrogance and hubris.

You have struck me as on a quest, for increased knowledge or undertanding, a state of enlightenment.
If those words are wrong, I apologize - I don't want to talk for you any more than Solar does.

If that is your quest, or even close to it, I don't think you're very close to your goal. True enlightenment, to me, excludes minimizing ideas from even the most humble. Everybody here has shown an awareness of more than physicality, even if we don't talk about it all the time.

The ""really great wisdom" you say we have access to puzzles me, also. What is that wisdom you refer to? Do you really see yourself as the only arbiter of "great
wisdom"? I see you as just another person who feels
he/she has reached a personal level of understanding,
one of billions.

Finally, I am puzzled by what you have decided has been pettiness and small-mindedness.
political disagreements? anger? insults?sharp tones?
For a long time, I've seen nothing I would call petty or small-minded, since some others left.

I'm not concerned with defending meself or anyone else. I've said often, I basically am impossible to insult. My feelings can be hurt badly, and I can be angered, but insults to me cause me to consider the sources. I quite literally don't see pettiness or small-mindedness.

I don't know, either, why you felt you had to throw out such condemnation. If anything, I think your comment was petty and small-minded itself, personal and judgemental, and I was surprised to read those words from you.

Carol, I heard DW use that expression a hundred times when I'd debrief her in the evening over a beer or two. I know you know about unwinding after work:-)

No Solar, Iranians don't seem pessimistic. They worry they have little in the way of choice if their leaders fail them now. They worry the world will not punish their tyrants.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/06/you-cannot-be-s.php

They also worry the world is not watching. Will they remember Neda?

The most recent update by Totten shows the physical brutality suffered.

The second most recent link takes aim at a recent Iranian pundit making the rounds at CNN. There is significant amazing confusion among the talking heads. The whole idea Democrats ever endorsed the Iranian process is absurd.

Let's back it up in the way back machine to 1953. Mohammed Mosaddeq was an educated nationalist at odds with the British. There was a middle class and even upper middle class he maneuvered as Prime Minister and they were hardly in bed with the clerics. He professed to be a Constitutionalist. If we back it up further, Howard Bakersfield represented our early American support of Constitutional Democracy in Iran which the Tzar of Russia sought to defeat. With the help of the British and Americans, Iran survived the Tzar, Hitler and Stalin. There was a growing middle class and higher institutions fueled by the influx of European capital. The British paid respectable fees and ran an extensive and complex oil industry. Mosaddeq wanted to nationalize British oil without compensation. The British had discovered oil and spent many million developing an energy industry. The Marshall plan had designed a network of extraction and refineries that would drive European regeneration. If Mosaddeq nationalized British Oil automatic sanctions would have driven the government to the Soviets. There tanks we we had chased out remained days away. Mosaddeq violated Parliamentary law, ignored the Constitutional approval of any Law by the Shah and entertained the Soviets.

Make no mistake, the Mullahs were scared of the Ruskies and backed the Iranian general's coup with the Brits and Americans that strengthened the existing powers of the Shah. The Soviets decades later expressed their shock when the coup happened.

In 1979, the Mullahs changed the street in Tehran named after Mosaddeq as Constitutional Nationalist are actual enemies of the State. Most live in exile like the woman below who addressed Iranians in Paris today. . Eisenhower approved the coup only because Intel concluded the Russians would eventual assassinate Mosaddeq, take over the military and obtain their Gulf Port threatening the entire energy policy of the Marshall Plan.

In keeping with our historic defense of Iran, we last removed both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, the two most dangerous enemies of Iran. It is easy to mythologize in order to support existing political fabrications. Yes, there are many who love the regime in Iran. They have their Red States. There is however, a long history of Western amenity towards the Iranians. Let us be clear; the Mullahs were party to the Shah's coup. The Islamic regime purged the military after the Shah and invited Saddam to attack. They have the blood of millions on their hands. Despite the current regime, the Iranian people have a long western history and were far more cosmopolitan in the 1920's than most Muslims.

The people seem not worried they will lose their more liberal character. They seem more worried what horrors the regime will undertake using them as hostages against relation or pre-emption. Should they be pessimistic we will abandon their aspirations, reward hardliners and accept their definitions? Will these people become collateral damage? If we do nothing? If we act?

One thing I note about Obama, his original spin on foreign relations was to correct the Bush retreat from International Justice. When Obama speaks about Iran however, “the long arch of morality anchored in justice”, seems a bit cynical about the world acting against offenders. I don’t suppose Obama sees much international justice acting on North Korea. We are very much alone in our capacity to do pretty much anything.

An Iranian who's organization revealed the secret nuclear programs and who is now blamed for terrorist attacks in Iran speaks from Paris below. She represents the very descendents of Mosaddeq and those nationalists who sought to nationalize Big Oil from the British, were abandoned by the Mullahs and now protest in exile the Mullah’s religious control of Iran.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6544/1/

Then- I take it back. Rez. I haven't listened to his dinner monologue. I have lost all of my cable channels. I was getting them from satalite FTA they are all going to be down for a while.

I will see if I can see it on U tube. I think that she should keep doing what she has been doing. Nada-I like the way that she comes off looking like the sane person in the room. But when she is sworn in-she should flip them the bird-like a good WLWW=wise latino women would HA!

Yes Rez, that's why I need this camp so much. I am on vacation from the time I leave work until I return the following day. I need the peace it gives me. God turned me on to this camp shortly after I started my job at the jail. She knew what she was doing.

And I can't drink, some sort of intolerance to alcohol. One sip and I feel like I'm coming down with the flu. God knew what she was doing there also.

I do occasionally, at my monthly NP meeting, get my free blood Mary. Hate to pass up a free drink. But I know I'm going to eat right away and then come home and go to bed.

Sturgeone, That was mean to tell us about cutting up taters, skin on, and frying them in bacon grease.

Dignified matron that I am, I also had an experience of a car out of control. Driving home late at night from eastern Long Island in a really heavy rain, I hydroplaned going down a small hill which then would become a hill going up. Of course, I tired to correct a skid but that was useless. I remember looking at the side of the road trying to find the place I'd prefer to crash, when suddenly I was going across to the other side and looked for good crash sites there. Then my tires held.

A friend, airforce vet and commercial pilot, told me he had been taught that multiplying the square root of your tire pressure by 9 should give you a fair idea of what speed would cause you to hydroplane. I can figure square roots basically, so I did, and I was going about 2 or three mph over.

Chloe, while you have the real thing, this is what I will have to settle for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pSyYhRYeIM&feature=related

Don't wrack your brain over all the "Don" stuff, beth. He was just reacting to my use of the word "fuck", my "Mad" magazine reference ("usual gang of idiots"), and another post he must have taken as a dismissal. It ain't about you. He reminds me of a young "champ"- a TM greenhorn. He'll get over it if he decides to continue to participate.

MAX - Everyone.

Don - Said

"Fr. Benedict Groeschel talks about this. That as Christians mature, they lose all touch with God. They become one with the all, but have no sense of the Spirit that has lead their lives earlier. He's interesting to listen to."

This is the person that he was referring to. when he say's someone with great wisdom. Also when he says about being in a state of enlightenment.

"Max is Max. You know what you're getting with him, and the question is what does he get out of this. He obviously has found a way to become one of a part."

MAX- Go back and re-read what I said to Don about U- I was making a joke-and even said just kidding Max. His comment is in context of what we were talking about.

We were talking about all us-humans are basically the same. Actually he was defending you when said what he said. I told him that we are all part the the whole picture-as in part of the universe and our Earth. Our species .

He was saying that you found a way to belong to this blog after I made that comment about you-just to tweak you nose. He likes you as he does all of us. Just doesn't agree with everything that we do-do you-do I NO!

"More often i lose patience with some of the regulars. I expect more out of them. Not that I'm one that can point a finger, but conversation can really devolve sometimes."

This has been explained. Sometimes we can get out of topic. and get a little silly. I told him that Im the most guilty. He then made a little snide remark to me ( I have told him before that he doesn't do snide very well-he doesn't.

This all started with a conversation that I has with Chloe. I asked Don to look at it. He said it was very interesting. Go back and look at the whole thing.

Aw, c'mon, Solar! I wanna be the martyr!

Thanks, Dark-lord, for those words, but I really didn't take humbrage. I can't follow his logic and so the meaness is exacerbated. I enjoy all the types of posts we have, all the opportunities we have to make asses of ourselves, and the acceptance we receive. I just don't think such words belong here - being territorial, I guess, and esp if you were a target. There were so many other ways to express what he felt.

There are actually two shows to watch tonight and they're coming up - they might be non-intellectual and
derivative, but they're entertaining escape.

I started to talk to Chloe about this at around 10:30 pm last night. If anyone is at fault. It was me. If you have some thing that you do not agree with him about. Bring that up. But all im saying is how it all started would be a good place to understand it all.

Ok Ill Martyr you. U want a blind fold or U gonna take it like a Champ? ahaha. See- there I go again. But Im innocent I tell ya. El diablo made me do eeeet.

Sorry, Solar, I don't buy it. Don1 doesn't buy this blog. I thought he was fitting in, but he expressed no patience with "some of the regulars", and I did not take it that he meant me. I think he needs to take this place as it is. We are under no obligation to meet his requirements, and I don't want this place to become a clearing house for dislike of each other. He obviously loves talking with you but that doesn't seem to be enough; he wants us all to be something he enjoys. I was happy to see the two of you going back and forth.

I hope that he is not a sensitive like ET was. We lost him ( once ) because he did not fit in. What the hell does fit in mean?. I still think that a re-read of the whole conversation is in order.

Would be awful boring if we all fit in. I know that I did not until much later. It took ET about the same time. Warren the same. Very few came on board and fit in.

I don't like him cos he fits in. I like him because he understands some of my interest- and share them. That doesn't mean that I don't think that someone doesn't fit in with me-if they don't. Just a matter of diff interests.

Bethy -

"I was happy to see the two of you going back and forth."

I can take this in two different way's: One were talking back and forth over an exchange of ideas. 2nd. We were arguing back and forth. But in order to understand it .

I would have to ask you what you meant by it. Or read your whole comment. After reading it I would like to ask you what U meant. If you meant that we were having disagreement cos I stuck up for this blog.

That I told him that we all take what we want out of it. Then he made that remark to me about "it' all about you solar"

Your meaning could be taken either way. So to be fair - what did you mean? this could have been asked of him also. We at sometime or other have asked this to be done for a clarification.

Ok thats it for me on this-thanks

I just watched that video with Neda again on CNN. Not in a mood to argue.

I hadn't read the comments in question Solar. I was just updating the blog today over Iran. Why? The Status Quo abroad will lead to disaster. Liberals once thought our liberty was best secured by promoting the freedoms we have died for. I pointed out how Iran has enjoyed our protection against the Tzar, Hilter, Stalin, Saddam and even the Taliban. We died for them too. Right now the Iranian resistance militia is locked in a Camp in Iraq. The Persians are being strangled by theocratic disorder beyond the pale of the Shah.

In any case, Neda bothers me. It should bother all Liberals. It used to be Republicans accepted this injustice as isolationists. The only worthy captial offenses were done by commies. SInce when did Liberals hope Iranians just settle down and get with the program? Maybe that was why a New Deal Democrat had to give hope to Solidarity as a conservative Republican. Maybe that's why Republicans find Chavez so revolting.

What hope do we give Iranians if we reward injustice? Are we afriad to anger the Iranian regime? Who will pay for the murder of Neda? Somehow Liberals have got to find their MOJO. Maybe Obama can lead us to the mountain top again and renew a sense of justice worthy of sacrifice....

Max

"I hadn't read the comments in question Solar"

Part of the reason that I like to tweak your nose about things-is that we do share an interest in the sciences. We don't agree with some of it-but we do share them.

I do believe that if Don had those feeling about all that was said. Your comments to him about him not being enlighten would be spot on. but I have to take his whole persona- and say that is not what was said here.

I remember his earlier comments about being with spiritual teachers. The countries that he lived in. He would not have such petty inclinations toward others.

Solar, what I meant was that I enjoyed the two of you enjoying your exchanges. I didn't really see any problems in your discourse - all of your kidding went over my head because I didn't read all of it. Metaphysics is not a subject I enjoy discussing - pondering, maybe, but I just don't talk about it.

I really enjoy when some of you talk about building and construction, old hippie days, smoking pot - I don't have to take part to enjoy a good time. I'm happy when people are happy and feeling connected. I love to watch happiness.

I think you and don think about the same things. I would NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER have meant what you thought maybe I did. Ugly words and thoughts within me make me physically ill. That's why it bothered me to hear folks here called petty and small-minded - that's not fair to the people here and I don't mean me. The hell with insults to me

If don did mis-understand a joke, it obviously upset him a great deal, but he made a blanket statement maligning whoever.

It appears to be a bundle of mis-understandings, and I DID ask don to clarify. His answer was no answer. I'm sorry if this had upset him badly, but his best bet would have been to put names to his annoyers. I hope he can understand and will come back - I thought he was fitting in nicely until he said what he did.

"He likes you as he does all of us."

Oh yeah, you mean he likes the ones that are 'just there'. That's how he see's many of us and he made a point of making sure we knew it, too.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238278

Bravo Bethy!

Sounds like I took the right day to have a wonky computer. I'm starting to worry tha Craig hasn't checked in. I hope he is just down in Florida visiting folks or something.

Jamie, There's a new thread.
I was just commenting on old stuff, and wanted to keep it here.