Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

WOO WOO

Oley!!!

Thought I was first. Carramba!

This is the type of political (ah-hem) to which I thought Letterman may have been referring.

Craig....
following politics is better than any soap opera.... and just as twisted in logic....

Solar.... it looks like you might be interested in purchasing my bridge... :0)
I do absolutely agree that Palin should not be underestimated by the left...

but I do not agree that she is "keeping the story going" because she is a concerned mother.... at this point.... I think she is exploiting her daughters worse than Letterman did....

a repost of responses to chloe and warren after the new thread announcement

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About the good Rev. Wright. Obama should keep doing what he is doing. Don't say anything. I know that he is lying when he denies his participation at Wrights church.

The R's will keep using this-just like they do the M L. thing with Pres. Clinton. He ignores them all. The would be the best thing for Obama to do also.

Hey RR. Tow things I do agree with you about that. I absolutley don't think that she is a concerned Mom. Just the opposite. She is just another politicians doing what they all do. Try to stay in the spot light anyway that they can. Family-or no family:

About that bridge. It is my favorite: I wish that I had the $ to buy it. The Architect and his family devoted their whole lives to getting it built. That is a great read for anyone imo. Can I pay U in pesos please. :-)) Been enjoying your sense of humor lately. Thanks

tow=two. There thats better. Just towed the o in front of the w-now it's right.

Solar....
no pesos..... but I'll let you have it for a case of good wine....

gee.... I feel like my sense of humor has been off for a couple of days....
the sun has finally broken out here in the last hour..... but for 5 straight days it's been cold, drizzling, and foggy.... weather like that does to me what it usually does to any human being.... makes me wanna drink.... :0)

".....why Obama still hasn't picked a full-time church to attend in DC"

craig, just curious but which were the dc churches attended "full-time" by jfk, lbj, nixon, jimmy, ronnie, poppi, the dawg and w?

Renee-

Your making me smile. Just like I did a yesterday. I was on I 94 going to a meeting with some one from Ohio. On the way up there-just short of the Ohio-Indiana state line. ( It was raining pretty good) on the right were I was sitting there was a little Winery.

I had a big picture of a half filled glass of wine. There was also a big tent that was over some picnic tables. I imagined meeting you and Rick there and tasting the diff kinds of Vino.

My friend asked me what I was grinning about. I brushed it of and said nothing. I did not get the name and did not remember it on the way back cos we were discussing the meeting and all. If I had I would have included that in here. Cheers anyway Chicita!

"Is this fear of guilt by association the reason"

I'll take the first half of that sentence, :-)

I don't think Obama would openly admit it, but my guess is he'd be a bit gun shy about his selection of a new church. Definitely some research is in order. I heard a news source out of Chicago (R Martin ?) say as much.

I= It

Chloe, continued,

There's no need to apologize. I like you, too. And, the republican way of tossing anyone and everyone into the "commie" pigeon hole was one of the things that irked the hell out of me back in the 70s, when I was still one of those miserable sunzabeaches, myself.

Those republicans who want to be treated fairly today, would have done well, while it was still in their power to be moral suaders, to have modeled the role for the rest of us. It's too late now. They may not be in hell yet, but they are in a state of limbaugh, er, limbo. As with any death, the death of the republicans' political power prevents them from repenting and recanting their bad behavior.

republicans set the tone of the 'political dialogue' since 1980, and thouroughly trained most Americans in the crude arts of hard-nosed, tough-talking, unforgiving, unrepentent finger-pointing and name-calling. republicans modeled the role from lee atwater to the newt to rude rudy. If republicans don't like what America's 'political dialogue' became under their long tutelage, they shall have plenty of time to get used to it. An eternity, I hope.

So Barack Obama is a pathological user of people?

Any suggestions for Toronto? I am heading there for a meeting that starts this weekend.

Solar,

You talkinta me ? Wazzis "Wassamaddayoo" stuff? I wuz talkin tada lady. <LAUGH TRACK HERE<

You're absolutely right about rev. wright. Like dink cheney and jimmy hoffa, that dope wright hasn't the sense to stay dead when that's all that's required of him. What does he think, that all this is about HIM???? He's just what the world needs : yet another megalomaniacal 'prince of the church' <STRONG SARCASM HERE<

Given the current state of Presidential security, I doubt that any recent President has attended any church without a whole lot of preplanning. It is simply too disrupting to the rest of the Congregation.

Gawd no xrepub! And leave Democrats at the wheel without opposition? Such aspirations fuel people like the consevative writer below.

I found the following fascinating in what it reveals about the progress of conservativism. It helps show how extremes can converge.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2009/06/026560print.html

IN all fairness, Jihad Watch admirably follows all the news related to the abuses of jihadist movements and our reaction to it. If you think most of the facts here are lies, then you would be wrong. They serve an important venue of related events along the jihadist front. JW does have their slant.

In this link above a jihad watch writer relates his opinion of the jihadist movement globally to a conservative position paper that reminds me of what I read the fifties were like. There were racist, isolationists that view government and foreign policy extension of empire. And remember there was a Goldwater wing growing and an Eisenhower that introduced integration to an awful lot of Southern Democrats.

What is strange in this link is how both Islamists and Liberals are placed on the "commie" side of this spectrum by this conservative who blasts NEOCON like the faithful on the Left. A Liberal would facism and Fundementalism on the COnservative side. Therin lies the confusion.

ANd this is a strange thing. It shows us where the curved space of politics meet and both extremes of absolutism and relativity blur together as does much of their reasoning process……

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Well since Another World is off the air, I have to agree with you... :) But seriously, politics is a messy proposition with everyone vying for power, prestige and money. There are very few who have their hands clean.

The medical system in Toronto is good.

You'll be too late for the hockey game, which will be in Detroit tonight, and won't involve any Canadian teams anyway.

Upstream at Ottawa, PM Steven Harper will be looking over new schemes for preventing Canada from having a parliamentary government. He might be interested to hear from a Yank about how 'we' derailed government in 1998 - 9. In an address to the nation Harper said that the Stimulus Package was having a sautory effect on the economy. Meanwhile 1,600 mayors and provincial leaders claim they haven't seen the money yet. You could warn him about the dangers of saying you sent rescuers to New Orleans, when in fact, you only thought about whether you might do so within the next week or two. Your 'voice of experience' could save Canada from eventually having a real government.

Check out Tom sneakin' in all nonchalant-like.

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Thanks Ivy!!

Mr. Maxtrue,

To me 'JW' means Jehovah's Witnesses.

Anyone who confuses Liberals, commies, and Jihadists has to be a flouridated fascist, appeaser, and bed-wetter. No exceptions.

Don't send them any money, because it will just be used to fund COINTELPRO and the League of Red-Headed Men.

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Champ
Yeah,Tom just slipped in like he never left....

Hello Tom
Stick around some and play with us....Hope your new place is getting finished....

Hi ET

It's nice to know you found your way home. How have you been?

Oh boy was that last thread interesting.I sure enjoyed all the varying opinion's.Chloe you are so good! Warren, OMG if we were here during Bill Clinton's Impeachment you and I would be at odds(love your passionate post's though)..Ha Ha,I love Bill Clinton, he's a real person warts and brains..I don't think he got anyone killed with his sex lie...Impeachment off the table for GWB,thank you Democrats..Renee you sure hit the nail on the head regarding Sarah Palin and being a politician...

Further, Mr. Maxtrue,

The republican party does not count as opposition. An opposition party must have :

1. some power, beyond the mere ability to caterwaul, be they ever so alarmist and noisome.

2. a program of their own that 'shadows' the actual government actions as a proposed alternative.

The republicans fail to be an opposition on both counts. They are insignificant, and any appearance to the contrary is an illusion at best. Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

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Tony --

You're extra welcome...I have been wondering though if I'm seeing more dead 'dillos than usual, or if I'm just noticing them more?? Why did the armadillo (try to) cross the road?

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Ha,Ivy
I would say to dig up someone's nice lawn...

Rev. Wright sorta reminds me of the role the idiot older brother would play.
You know, Billy Beer with a Bible.

Sorry to have missed the Clinton-Lewinsky show today...investigating harassment complaints was one of my more onerous duties. I often wished for a separation of the terms "sexual" and "harassment." It confused the issue for many, making it seem sex is the problem when it's really harassment.

If Bill Clinton harassed Ms. Lewisnky, it was when he disparaged her and called her "that woman."

A Weekend Programming Note -

AMC is running Lonesome Dove - Sat & Sun. night.

Tommy Lee Jones hosting it.

Your chance to see Robert Duval give advice to surly bartenders, one more time.

Part of my Canadian bit for Pong was supposed to read "the Stimulus Package was having a salutary effect on the economy."

Heaven forbid that you get sick or injured, but if you do, you will find the Canadian system is excellent.

Maxtrue,

Do crazies really converge, or do they just shoplift each others goods ?

Under what logic is "I really meant 'them Zionists' " supposed to be any more acceptable than "them Jews"?

"Billy Beer with a Bible." LOL ! Mr. Bob, you are priceless. wright's a sort of anti-MLK Jr.

".I have been wondering though if I'm seeing more dead 'dillos than usual, or if I'm just noticing them more?? Why did the armadillo (try to) cross the road? "

I have had my hand up for 20 min. now. Can I answer this one Tony? Maybe not Carolina might be around.

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

What luck!

An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week has been killed in a car accident, it has been reported.

http://tinyurl.com/nlkb7g

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Hey Solarman
Give it a go.Your hand must be tired.....HA

I have to go stimulate the American economy now. After that, I'll watch "Washington Week in Review" with imus' favorite cleaning lady, Gwen Ifil. Gwen Ifil is the American I-Gal, and the bitter old gasser is a nattering pipsqueak compared to her. I'll follw up with "Now" with David Brancaccio and Maria Hinajosa, and then "Bill Moyers Journal".

If I haven't run out of gas, I may also take a little hit of "Dexter." I'm going fishing tomorrow, and "Dexter" always toughens me up for the tasks of cleaning and gutting.

G'night.

Naw. U just trying to get me in trouble. How is it going mr. 1000

Tony- A few days ago. I had to run from city hall to the Union station. I take the train when I go downtown-lots cheaper: Any way I was running a little late. The train was pulling out of the station. Not another one for two hrs. later.

I ran all the way for about 1 and 1/2 miles. The hard pavement is not the same as the tread mill or the park where I do my running. The next day I felt it on the side that I have the arthritis. How's work?

Who is Carolina Solar? I don't think she'll mind your answer to why the armadillo crossed the road . Go for it.

Here is an acceptable Palin joke.

IN A VACUUM

Palin was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her turn. She rolled the dice and she landed on Science & Nature. Her question was, 'If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name, can you hear it?'
She thought for a time and then asked, 'Is it on or off?'

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds is ill

http://www.comcast.net/articles/music/20090612/EU.Britain.Beatles_.Lucy.Ill/

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"How is it going mr. 1000"

Hey Solar
Your sharp remembering that 1000 calories I burn on the stepper.I did the stepper earlier today as we had a cancellation.Thanks for asking work is going good.I have lost three clients going back up north for the summer and have so far gained two to replace those so everything is A-OK..Hot here today was 95 humid and no thunder shower.I've also still been busy replacing the mulch in my landscaping with rock,10 bags yesterday and ten more this weekend.It seems like you've been busy,new work?

That did not make Carolina laugh? quien sabe esta ?

A girl was visiting her friend, who had acquired two new dogs, and asked her what their names were. The friend responded by saying that one was named Rolex and one was named Timex. Her friend said, 'Whoever heard of someone naming dogs like that?'
'HELlO.... answered the blond. 'They're watch dogs!'

Righto Xrepublican, you sound just like those talking heads in 2002 when they wrote the Democratic Obit. Or was seven years too long ago for you? Now you're a one Party Man.

While Obama's personality ratings are good, the Democrats still fall way below grade. And they have total power. Go figure. Yep, Pelosi, Murtha, Durbin, Reid, Schumer, and a whole host of others who are either in power still because of Blue Dogs or Obama are a fine team. Look deeper into those poll numbers.

As far as the Obama Effect

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/06/no-divine-victo.php

As for bowing.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6123

As far as Democrats

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23664.html

And there are always man made disasters waiting to happen.

http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/17234.htm

Since everything that happens is part of the Obama Effect (note I did connect Cairo to Lebanon in a rational way moments after the election was considered won) perhaps these fighters heard Obama's speech....

I still want the answer to Palin's question. Was the vacuum off or on Solar?

Please understand that I wrote this quickly and have niot edited it or reviewed it so it's way too wordy and full of typos. I don't have time. I'm not trying ti pick a fight but disagree with some of the stuff I've been reading and just want to speak my mind. Sorry - I think I broke my own record for length.

I'm off to sit at my sister's house while she goes on a Sierra Club backpacking trip in Yosemite - gitting teeth.
She has a 40" bravia and I don't -get my drift?

So gonna have my say and get out of the line of fire. I think that:

1. Letterman was wrong in what he said because it was stupid and not funny and not even relevant.

2. He really really dislikes Palin and disapproves of her and the way he thinks she has treated her family.

3. The terms "slutty" and "knocked up" and "flight attendant" were sexist and two of them are almost meaningless today. I hate the one "knocked up."

4. That's the only sexist thing about his "joke."

5. Palin is at the root of it all. She trotted her family out as validation of her status of a family values person and a good Christian. The fact that she has been proven to not be so is , I think, pretty self-evident. What a mess her family is ! Her validation is open to criticism - she made it public. She told the world she thinks sex before marriage is wrong and sinful - she brought her daughter out as an example. "But we love her in spite of her sin."

6. If you want to believe she loves her family, go ahead.
Maybe she does, but I think it's a cold calculating love.
My poor confused gentle mother may have been inept, but, my god, she never would have exposed us and our mistakes to even the neighbors, much less the world. I think she's a royal bitch.

7. She also must have known what Levi Johnson and his family were like - what a poor political choice to put it all in the public eye. If she had left them out of it, it would have been mentioned, yes, but left alone.

8. I think her clothers are great, esp that red leather jacket, but I hate that she wears them. The reason for the word slut is that they are so glamourous they decided to accent her beauty instead of her gravitas ( now there's a non -sequitor for you.) A slut was a girl who dressed to call attention to herself, always over-dressed. By and large they probably just didn't know how to fit in, poor things. That's what Letterman is getting to - remember Marilyn Monroe in the Prince and the Showgirl? Letterman's guests almost all dress like sluts (the old-fashioned term) and he accepts that is what the world is now. He can't stand her, tho, and it comes out. She wants to be a world leader, not a starlet, and shoud look like one.

9. Her first comment was perfect re Letterman. She should have left it there - now they've suggested he might molest her second daughter. They're enjoying this too much. Gross.

10. NOW THIS IS IMPORTANT and I hope if you've just scrolled down so far, you'll look at it.
The most sexist thing I've come across so far in all of this is the comments I've read here by you guys saying Letterman would have a broken jaw. That is ridiculous.
I don't want men to defend me with their fists if they think I've been insulted or offended. I think most women dread that kind of thing. I think it's probably the real reason why I never let myself married a couple of men I really cared for in Houston. That's where I first saw a man hit a woman - knocked her to the ground.
It was a very normal reaction in Houston for men to make moves on a woman and her date to cok his fist and talk about what he was gonna do. I hope Houston has changed, but that was the way men, and nice men, thought was tight. Please, if I'm being assaulted with fists or weapons, go right ahead and help me. If it's just a loud-mouthed jerk, let me walk away.

I understand the love that makes you and other guys want to hurt someone who hurts your loved ones, but if we want to be treated as sensible and grown-up people, you can't beat people up and get violent over our supposed injured feelings.

Oh, yeah, as far as men not being treated as badly as this, really? How about Dickhead Cheney, or prick?
Those are pretty pejorative and all masculine. I do think sometimes the treatment women pols get is worse, but the big thing about Hillary was the dismissal of her ideas and worh.

Tony-

Not really. Just trying to get some things started. The future looks pretty good I think. It is the right now that's got me in a pink. No NY. Chicago. Glad that you are replacing your clients that leave with new ones.

Just sayin'--I don't think it's a biggie that the Obamas haven't chosen a church to attend on a regular basis as yet. As I know from sad experience, it's something that takes time. They may never find "the one."

I may get in trouble for this one. As much as I dislike the term "knocked up" every time I see it, it reminds me of an old joke.

A pregnant woman absent mindedly steps off a curb into the path of a truck causing the driver to slam on the brakes hard just stopping shy of hitting her. She looks up startled as he leans out the window and says,
"Lady, you can get knocked down too!"

"craig, just curious but which were the dc churches attended "full-time" by jfk, lbj, nixon, jimmy, ronnie, poppi, the dawg and w? -- Posted by: patd"

can't answer for all those, patd, but it was the Obama team -- not me -- that made a big point of announcing before inauguration they would eventually be picking a church to regulary attend. do know that the Clintons chose Foundry Methodist Church on 16th St.

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Carol --

I forget the question. Could you refresh my memory?

I really don't see how anyone can claim to be able to read Ms. Palin's mind. Now if you are a psychic then maybe. It could be that she parades her family out in public because she is proud of them like most parents are.

Even when kids make a mistake, mom and dad are still proud of their them. Kids do make mistakes. It is not that unusual for a teenager to get pregnant before she is married. Teenagers are having sex and probably most aren't using any kind of protection.

Actually having your pregnant teenage daughter out there in public more demonstates that the idea of abstinance before marriage is a little unrealistic.

I don't have any kids but if my Maggie poops on the carpet I am still proud of her. It was probably my fault for not getting her outside sooner.

Jimmy Carter attended the First Baptist Church. There is actually a web page giving the church attendance dates from his calendar

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/jec/church.phtml

Now is Palin would go on the Letterman show I will think she is definitely exploiting the situation and I would certainly question her motives.

Ms. Palin pretty much has no choice but to respond to some of this BS. She didn't start it.

You don't have to like Palin or agree with her but it is only fair to stick with the the issues you don't agree with or don't like.

You don't have to like Palin or agree with her but it is only fair to stick with the the issues you don't agree with or don't like.

Carol
Absolutely!!

NOW puts Letterman in the Media Hall of Shame:

http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall-of-shame/

We should all be pathological users of people.

Remember - he was a "community organizer" - even though some use the term to belittle Barack.

But I think helping and educating poor people on how to not get taken advantage of by the man is a pretty admirable thing to do - and very Republican (is the stupid red and blue dialogue those idiots in Washington have cooked up) all that personal responsibility stuff.

It is inane to assign qualities to the parties. Like only the Democrats care about education and civil rights - and the Right is stong on security and hates taxes.

Excuse me - but Washington DC should be the pursuit of ideas. We pay them to live a pretty cushy lifestyle to spend all their waking moments on figuring this shit out!! Not to be realty stars in the MSM.

One small comment bethy. I think you're right and Dave chose his words carefully, it just turned out the wrong daughter was in the stadium.

But for men protecting women. I'm a very peaceful person and have only been in a handful of fights my entire life. One of the few times I've been absolutely incensed and ready to tear someone apart was when I heard a guy knocking around a woman friend of mine in the apartment upstairs from me.

She met me at the door and stopped me and I didn't pursue it, and that was her choice. But the instinctive feeling in me to hurt him is something I don't think men will ever get over. It's just part of the instinct of preservation of the species.

Now i can appreciate Obama's celebrity and understand it is an asset - but I really like the way the guy also keeps his nose down, works hard and tries to not only figure this shit out - but also to explain what he is thinking.

From my linked artilce if you don't want to go read it yourself:

"The sexualization of girls and women in the media is reaching new lows these days -- it is exploitative and has a negative effect on how all women and girls are perceived and how they view themselves."

I see women every day in prison with these low self esteems. Some are actually taking the blame for crimes committed by their men folk. They think it is noble to do it. It is very sad.

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ct,

It doesn't help that children today are being flooded with hormones either in water or dairy products and are physically maturing earlier and earlier. Then they are flooded with sexual images on billboards, in magazines, television and movies. Their music is filled with sexual references and their conversation and peer group pressure is all aimed towards merging at way too early an age. Then there is lack of parental involvement courtesty of both parents (if they are lucky enough to have both) working.

The ones that survive or who don't have their lives permanently messed up at too early an age will eventually be older and wiser, but it won't be because they had any help getting there.

The secualization of girls and women in the media is reaching new lows these days - because the media is constantly reaching new lows.

We are still getting used to this information overload.

And although the sad stories are endless - women are also experiencing greater and greater rights all over the world - led by our example. And I think HRC will make huge strides over the next decade.

Did you see all those Iranian women on the streets - change is coming. And there is nothing the pols can do to stop it.

(I am off to the movies. Going to see The Hangover - speaking of new lows ; ) Gotta see what all the buzz is about - and a movie is a good way to avoid a real hangover.

And guys I'm not a prude. I like blonde and brunette and red head jokes as well as you do. I even tell them and sometimes I even am them.

I can even laugh at myself. Like the time I had this nasty wound on my neck. I was teaching a class and I didn't want the class to think their teacher had a huge hickie on her neck.

I had to tell the class I burned my neck trying to iron my blouse with it still on and ended up with a second degree burn on my neck. It was too much trouble to take off the blouse, iron a kink out of the collar and then have to retie this little silk belt I had on.

I would rather my class think I was an idiot than think I was a slut. OK

Bethy

I guess Im the sexist one that would break Letterman's jaw for him.

A couple of things. I have been out with women that someone has made a play for-or was trying to flirt with them. It is a little annoying-nothing more to me.

I have even told one that was flirting back to go and get acquainted with the other guy. I figured that he saved me a lot of time. I left the restaurant and went out by myself for the night. I have no problem with that sort of thing.

I even thanked the guy on my way out. I don't know what she did or did not do-I thought myself lucky that I did not get to know her.

Bethy You go on to say-

"I understand the love that makes you and other guys want to hurt someone who hurts your loved ones, but if we want to be treated as sensible and grown-up people, you can't beat people up and get violent over our supposed injured feelings."

We have had different life experiences. I have had to defend against all types of things. I have been jumped while walking to the park by some "spic haters" I have had to watch and protect my two younger brother from harm.

After moving to a neighborhood by Midway Ari port. We were the only Mexican family in a very large part of town. I had to protect my sisters also from very vile name calling, Physical harm. etc.

Once when we were kids. A neighbor down the street-same block took my brother Ricks bike and stomped on the wheels. He broke all of the spokes .

I went into his house while he and his family was eating dinner. I demanded that he go and buy a new wheel. He laughed at me-so did his wife. He pushed me out of his house. I came back with a baseball bat. Broke his leg. He gave me $ to fix the bike. I did not take it. He had to fix it. He did the next day on crutches.

My Sister Maria never felt that I was being sexist or an animal for defending her against vile name calling. If it was not defended it would have been worse for her.
even in the nicest hoods-you can't show weakness. It will only get worse. You do have to pick the time to tolerate- the time not too. After a while there were never any problems. The neighbors all got along with us. They even understood the difference of defense. Protecting your family. and self respect.

Bethy- I once had a High school History teacher bang my head against the lockers in the hall way. He did not like my version of General Custard. He would rip up my test papers in front of my face when no one was around.
Some of these things are very mild in comparison to some other things that have happened to me. 1968 riots were no fun in the Marines for me. The names did not bother me.

But to turn the cheek would have invited a lot of physical harm-pr worse. I had to sleep in a diff bed every night for a while. A visiting Marine slept in my bed. He was stabbed.

It has been over 25 years now that there hasn't been any situations of these. And I have ignored-laughed off 90% of intents to ridicule me. minimize my humanity. When I first moved into my house here in the near suburbs.
One of the neighbors and his wife welcomed us to the hood. The wife gave Judy some flowers. The husband and I talked for the firs few weeks. Then he asked me what nationality I was. He never talked to me again. I had a great time waving to him and calling out his name after that.
You see. He did not bother me at all (his hate) but if he would have said some stupid hateful thing like Letterman said.

Im guilty. I would have busted his jaw. I can be very kind. I can be very protective of my family and friends. Me I don't care. Believe me I heard it all. Felt the hatred. Smelled the fear. I have also been afraid. Felt hatred toward others.

Now I feel great love for all us all. Even the People in a part of the world that I have never heard of. But I would like to keep the right to defend my family and friends. I would like to tell you this. Words have hurt me many-many time more than anything else. Words do matter. They should have a consequence. I probably would have asked for an apology first in real life. The second time that he said something stupid. What?

This type of things are not an intellectual problem to me. They are not to be tolerated. There is a time for passiveness.
. There is a time for family honor and protection.

What ever you say next is ok-but I won;t answer. There is plenty that I said that one can take to apply as an answer.

Solar,
I figure we're all pretty much what we have to be, given our particular DNA and the set of circumstances life has dealt us. When we were young, there wasn't much we could do to control those circumstances, so it's nice when we are adults and we can figure out ways to do just that.

There's not anything we can do to change the hardships in our past, we can't make the past go away. The only thing we can do is adjust our thinking and perception of what happened, then move on and do the best we can. A tough beginning though, can really make you appreciate the present.

I do think it's important to let it all go though, and to make things the way we wish they had always been.

The last cple of jokes that I posted-were emailed to me. The reason that I posted them was to show the diff of some dumb harmless jokes. Show the diff of what Letterman said.

Like I said. I hope that this is talked about for a long-long time. But If I had the power that Palin has. I repeat. I would find the dirt and hire my own comic to ridicule( a women) the late night clowns. Lets see if they can take as well as they give. I kind of doubt it!!!

You know Obama and his wife are great role models for husband and wife and mother and father. As an AA man, Obama needs to take every opportunity he can to teach other men that there is more to being a man/father than just using his penis to fertilize the crops. And I have heard him speak to this before but he should do it more often. People who he can influence are watching.

I see so many AA men in jail who are very confused about the the role of a man in a family. The didn't have a father in theirs. They feel that being a man is demonstrated by how many women that are out there having their babies.

I had a young 18 year old AA man come to medical one day and his main concern was that he hadn't been able to get any women pregnant yet. I think he ended up being very sorry he came in with that complaint.

My head spun around a few times, green stuff came out of my mouth and I told him that his first concern better be getting out of prison, then getting a job, then finding a good relationship and then when he could support one worry about getting a woman pregnant.

Michelle can do the same for the women who allow themselves to be used in this way. Allow their men to drop in for sex, bounce the baby a couple of times, share the food stamp meals and then go out and hang with their home boys. The next day it's the next baby's mama.

There are SO many idiots floating about.

Now Limbaugh blames the health care crisis on the healthy.

The world's gone mad, I tell ya, MAD!

*cackling*

tt

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"I would rather my class think I was an idiot than think I was a slut. OK"

Carol, Thanks for the laugh before I go to bed.... it was nice to end the day with a good laugh. What made it even funnier, is that I completely understand. I'd feel the same way.

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Oh, and Tony.... You 'always' make my day. Thank you.
(and I like your little joke saying the reason the armadillos cross the road is to dig up someones nice lawn... you should know :))

Chloe

Thanks. I am over that !00% . I am enjoying the peace that I have in my heart. I love the different perspectives that I have about life. That is not my problem

My problem is- would be when to make a decision to be passive-when to let someone know that what he said was extreme and harmful. These are choices that are made every day by some one.

I would take t he time to analyze it in order to be comfortable with my decision. I have to be able to look in the mirror and see the person that I forgave for some of the dumb shit that I have done. But there never will be the shame of not speaking up for a loved one. All of intellectual bs is out the window then. But I understand what you are saying. Thanks for always caring.

last but not least....
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/rev-wright-strikes-again.html#comment-235766

Ivy, Your post about sexual harassment really cleared up the concept for me. Thanks.

Solar I have always thought it was a typical characteristic of the Hispanic man to be very protective of his woman/mother and his family.

"My problem is- would be when to make a decision to be passive-when to let someone know that what he said was extreme and harmful."

Solar, I don't think you should ever be passive.
Honesty and communication are important. You can tell someone you don't agree with what they said, or let them know you find it offensive, without being violent about it. Not holding things in is important too. The main trouble I get myself into is miscomprehending someones intention. Sometimes saying something can clear things up.

A very good characteristic I think. .

And Solar, I don't think this is all intellectual bs. I think it's a philosophy that we're trying to learn to live by. We may be overly intellectualizing things, but that's just because we're going around and around trying to figure things out.

The need to defend your family. The need to shelter them from harm. Is innate in all of us. Just as Morals are. It would be immoral not too.

Feelings emotions have also come from evolution. You can suppress them if you want to. You can ignore them. But they are there non the less. We don't have to act on them.

t then again you can't deny them for too long. You have to act on them in one way or another. There are many ways to do this. Even letting out a big F U is clensing.

Just don't put yourself in jeopardy doing it Solar because it is hard to be protective of those you love from a jail cell.

Stars once memorably fell on Alabama --

"On November 30, 1954, Alabama housewife Ann Hodges was taking a nap on her couch when she was awakened by a 3-pound (1.4-kilogram) meteor that crashed through the roof of her house, bounced off a piece of furniture and struck her in the hip, causing a large bruise."

Now, one's fallen on Essen, Germany --

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html

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Solar, Those things I said weren't me telling you to do anything. I know what a smart guy you are, and that you've got things figured out. I was just sharing my own personal experiences with you. The way I've had to deal with hardships

I'm more worried about all that space junk falling on us than I am a meteor hitting me Ivy.

Chole

I was called a sexist something or other. I don't care about that. Im not saying that we should not try to get to the root of the problem. To understand so we can resolve things in a respectful manner.

What I am saying- is that when this is not possible. There are choices to make. Some time all of the intellectual bs in my own head is just bs. When I know that. I know that there has to be some outlet for those feeling that I get. The feeling that we all get.

Once again. I would like to place that person that gave me these conflicting feelings in the same situation. I would like the rapest-raped sorta speak.

Carol

I have always been protective of what I have. Family. Friendships.. to me they are worth it.

Im just trying to explain a few things. Not defending aggressive action just for the sake of it. But it is something that needs to be done in everones life at one time or the other.

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Chloe --

You're welcome. I over-simplified it, no doubt. A well-intended legal protection that has misused and abused by all sides.

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Carol --

You sound like my mother. She believes all our problems began when we started shooting stuff into outer space.

(^_~)

Ivy, I'm glad you over simplified it. That's what worked for me. I particularly liked your idea of separating the terms sexual and harassment. And also your last sentence made perfect sense to me.
"If Bill Clinton harassed Ms. Lewisnky, it was when he disparaged her and called her "that woman." "

I am sooo tired. I didn't sleep well last night. Time to read, then sleep now.
night.

Carol

Not going to jail. Will work it out with the normal person that has made an offense. No one does. This is just what I believe that in a given situation one must do what it takes to defend family. thats all.

Please don't think of me or any one that thinks like this as a hot head. Just the opposite. The thinking brain will make an exteme action-only in and extreme situation for survival.

Im not talking as some jerk that would jump at any impulse to do some dumb shit.

Bill Mahar was really good tonight. P. J. O'Rourke, Chris Matthews, Larry King, head of the NAACP and a woman whose name I missed, but it was funny and substantial.

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'night, Chloe. Don't let the bedbugs bite.

Nite Chloe

Carol --

New meaning to "cell phone?" I've been hearing that inmates are "reaching out and touching someone" via wireless phones...most of which are supplied by corrupt guards. Have you run into that? The article I read said most inmates are simply staying in touch with family, but some are using phones to direct criminal activities on the outside.

Sleep well. There is nothing you said that I took offense to. Just the opposite.

Feelings of pain. Pleasure or something in between are the bedrocks of our mind. Once this is understood. I think that we can deal with our emotions when we need to. Ok I guess that- that is enough from me.

We lost a nurse because she allowed an inmate to use her cell phone to call his family. He was a fairly nice guy and he manipulated this nurse and she was fired.

Yes there are corrupt security guards. Most are just people hired off the streets and trained. They do have to go through psychological inventories and lie detector tests before they are hired but some still end up getting corrupted by these experts at manipulation.

If inmate would use their skills/intelligence for good instead of evil they could make a big positive difference in the world.

This one's been all over today's news with the sky jump and all, but I might as well document a presidential birthday since I like doing that here...

Birthday of George H.W. Bush, 41st President of the U.S. (1924)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_HW_Bush

Also would have been the birthday of Anne Frank (1920) whose diary was published on this day in 1952.

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I wonder if they even know the difference.

I tell my nurses that it was all the years that I taught nursing students that helped me learn how to deal with inmates. My nursing students were more manipulative than the inmates are.

You wouldn't believe the tricks they came up with to get the tests/answers to test questions before the test. You really had to be on your toes to keep one step ahead of them.

I thought most pols worshiped here:
http://www.nationalcathedral.org/?gclid=CM-jsoiohpsCFWVM5QodJ2bjog

A friend attended a service there once when Clinton was prez and Al Gore was attending the service.

Here's what Mark Twain thought of religion:

"Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste."
- "The Lowest Animal"

I sat in the jury of a sexually violent predator and learned a lot about manipulation and con artists. Since they don't have the moral and ethics filter we run things through, they can think faster than their targets.

Carol, do you think it's true that nursing has more than the normal rate of co-dependents? This could make manipulation even worse.

Interesting article on Arab housing, or lack thereof, in Haaretz http://bit.ly/pOf5R. It's one of my favorite liberal Israeli papers.

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Don1 --

Guilty or not guilty?

Don, there are a lot of co-dependents out there in many professions. Nurses are not only a more nurturing group but also trained to be so that might make them a little more vulnerable to it.

Don,

I think of the medical department as the only place in the jail/prison that is somewhat the inmate's shelter from the storm. They are not often treated with any respect in any other area of most jails/prisons. As long as their behavior warrants it, I insist that we treat them with respect.

Remember that most of these incarcerated men and women are someone's mother, father, brother, sister, child etc. Many just chose the wrong path. Looking at some of their life experiences it is not hard to see how that could have happened. Some are just bad to the bone but most are not.

Some of the people in our jails are not any more "guilty" of criminal activity than some running our government or hosting our radio talk shows. They are just poor and unlucky.

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"Remember that most of these incarcerated men and women are someone's mother, father, brother, sister, child etc."

I am glad to hear you say that, Carol. With those thoughts, and a prayer for any who are out there suffering in any way, I'm off to bed.

Thanks Carol. That's an accusation I've heard for years. No judgement, but to me the nurturing nature of nurses might make them more vulnerable.

After reading my previous comment I was thinking I've had the strangest things happen in my life.

This SVP was being held post incarceration in the state mental hospital. This is kind of a supra-legal move (and I'm sure warren will correct my description) because they're not currently charged with anything and have already served their sentence. The state hopes to keep them off the streets permanently.

This person had forged his own release documents and somehow gotten them to a girlfriend on the outside so she could mail them into the hospital admin office as legal papers. They were badly forged and immediately caught.

The prosecutor, and in my opinion the judge, were very motivated to bring real criminal convictions on this guy.

He was found guilty of all 9 or 10 counts, a verdict that appeared to shock even the prosecutor, as one act was somehow split into two counts. He was getting more violent with each offense so I was glad he was convicted, but what I took as the bias of the judge shocked me. This has been my one and only court case, because I usually move too often to get called.

Don

Came back to shut down. I forgot to tell you that I liked your answer about the flat tax. Also the flat sales tax. thanks. Oh you don't do snide very well.

Later. Carol. Thanks.

Sorry Carol, I was just commenting on the people being conned into special favors. I was part of a prison visitation group that would visit and just listen, or play a game of cards. I was one of the few people that would go into the state mental hospital. I've also worked with homeless programs. I've never had an incident, and I think a lot of that has to do with treating people with respect, not lecturing but listening, not falling for a story but not judging either.

I wonder what evangelicals would think of this story?

Five gay couples wed in ceremony on Tel Aviv beach
http://bit.ly/CxxqG

nite all.

How many people, even the people on this blog, can say you have never driven "legally drunk" at some time in your life? Maybe even several times? Some are caught every time they get in the car drunk. They are very unlucky.

Some even have an accident that may not have even been avoidable but because someone died and they were drunk, they are quilty of vehicular homicide. Very unlucky. You may look down your noses at these people but you must think.... "there but for the grace of God go I"

Nite

I want Obama to pick a Mayan church. That'll screw with Bill-o's head.

This being a productive member of society is a lot of work. I wish they had told me that when I filled out the card.

Xrep, Solar , Rez -

Al those those comments around 7:40 pm.

X -
I was once a great fighter here, but now I'm just a clown looking for low fruit.
Solar -
That is a damn good Palin joke.
Rez -
I thought of " Lawrence of Arabia " .............. " It is written". When he has to shoot the man he saved.

Second Art Market here tomorrow, watered the corn tonight.

I got silk on my lead circle. These are really primitive seeds. I have never raised such a strange plant. Corn as we know it makes an ear then put's out silk. This stuff ain't doing that at all. A lot of corn sex, but I don't see no baby corn.

One more thing this ain't corn from a broad way musical. It ain't visiting no elephant's eye.

Tonight's clips. are about loaded. 15 min of pop rivet fun, bring the kids it's all G Rated. See Bob rattle on about 1 watt per square meter.

But I have to clean up some of the corn sex video, that was pretty graphic.

Friday, June 12, 2009
Pop Rivet Party

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

Egmont and Lenny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2E8bhDHESk

i have five burgeoning ears.......sturgeone corn burgeone........

frank, howard and the leech sing of the responding vegetables.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZVxZn8tSwQ&feature=PlayList&p=272CC3C0949D5F8F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=8

Everyday, 1 square meter of sunlight falling on the surface of the earth , produces 1 watt of power. Not in a day, or even an hour. , but every second of everyday , when it is clear. One watt of power comes down for us to use.

Free. We just have to catch it.

watt?

A solar catcher's mitt ...... The Cub Scouts will like that.

I was explaining to my friend Larry today that in theory the reflectors I'm about to make could go up 150 feet before I had to put red lights on then for low flying planes.

He gave me that "Do watt ? " look too.

I've used the sun in very rudimentary ways.......when I lived on a trailer by the creek I bought 200 feet of black garden hose and just coiled it up in a sunny spot.......seldom used the hot water heater......

it pains me that i could have said "Do watt?" and missed it........

Hey there's guys melting steel in New Mexico now, I'm just trying to cook some corn.

i gonna see about CC having a book signing at the book store over here, and maybe attending the crabfest of a friday night.....maybe he could bring ms thomas......it's almost like a fish camp........she'd dig it........

the damn sun in new mexico will melt steel......when we got to cruces in the dead of summer we couldnt check into the motel yet so had to hang out.......it was hot......it was as hot as I've ever been......we rode out a ways to the rio grande on the outskirts and there was one tree......under it was coolness......

Black pipe on the roof -

My oven is a piece of fancy air conditioning duct work on bicycle wheels.

the corn here is cookin' .................mein bruder has gone apeshit over taking care of the corn and anticipating the "blue" corn........I'm not even sure he believes it will be blue......I think he still figures I got snookered in some "bean" deal........

under it was coolness...... and road runners lookin' for lizards.

Shiny side up, rubber side down.

hate to jinx anything......but the day I got that corn up outa the grounges........I sold a beach front kitchen that appeared outer the ............(wait for it)............blue.

Go Iran!

And if you elect the Ak-men-den-a-jad - just remember we re-elected Bush in 2004 - with full disclosure.

Keep on keeping on

So much for intern tubes sweetness.

The pillow calls.

The Hangover was a quality flic.

Finger on the pulse.

Warren -
The Persians make a come back every 2 or 3 thousand years.
Theye're due.

Rubber on wheel.......faster than rubber on heel.

--Lightnin' Hopkins

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ct:

they should read Dreams of my Father.

I still need to read that one as I have only read bits and pieces of the Audacity of Hope.

that reminds me......I gotta put brando's book on my favorite book list.......SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME

a great book.

it's a bastard to be unable to underline.......book titles look like foggin' marquees........

"Feelings emotions have also come from evolution. "

I like to think that feelings and emotions drive evolution. And I sometimes think you can see the arc of evolution in many a life.

In other words, I never think I am smarter than a previous generation. I think we have more stuff. And I think we have the opportunity to evolve. But I am starting to disagree that it is inevitable.

That is to say - we have more responsibility than we like to imagine...

My mother taught me how to shave...

(I think that is the working title of my book)

i see evolution as extremely simple........weak monkey has to leave the tree, and by doing so learns new parameters........

C-bob:

Just like the Red Sox. Let's go Yankees!

working title of my book is I WAS BORN IN 1948......THE REST IS HISTORY......

Simple to do - but complex emotionally.

Human's achilles heel.

them greeks had a lot of this stuff figured out......but they couldnt figure how to make humans decent.

The Chinese figured out a lot too.

Bethy:

Not sure if I have offended u in any way. But I guess I suspect I may have or perhaps u just don't think I have anything to say that inspires a response.

But - I know that I offend people - intentionally and unintentionally. And you fall in the latter.

So if I have - I wouldn't mind knowing what in particular caught in your craw - cause i try to learn - and if I am simply engaging in paranoid self-obsessive behavior - then continue to ignore me...

Amd i read the full-length of your post and think that u are quite a mind.

Hard to beat General Tso's chickens..........

if there's two ways to take something.......and one of the ways offends you.........I meant the other one.........

---Bongo Seville

Chinese guy: The Craw.

Maxwell Smart: Craw?

Chinese Guy: No.......CRAW

Max: Craw??

CG: NO! CRAW!!

Y'all knew that Tim Russert died, right?

I've kinda enjoyed playing the Devil's advocate lately. And Devil, don't you get used to this, ya hear me.

I listened to Matt interviewing Palin on the Today Show last night. He definitely sounded hostile. He was trying to take up for Letterman. Palin was holding her own.

Imus didn't get that kind of support when he made the dumb remarks that got him in trouble. What was the difference? Was it that Imus's victims were young black females (no one wanted to touch that with a ten foot pole) and Palin is a older white female politician who many liberals don't like? I really don't know.

It is interesting thought that over the last year, and for the first time, it was kind of a plus being black. That's not a bad thing. It really helped Obama. Except that being black only seems to be a plus if you are a rich celebrity. If you are poor and sitting in a jail cell it definitely isn't a plus. You are doomed.

One of the big differences in who is in jail and who is not is.... who has lots of money and a very good lawyer. And that goes for white or black. It ain't exactly justice.

Hopefully Warren has a few beers and pizza under his belt now, has let his hair down and I can have some fun with him today.

I inspected Adam's corn on Thursday. It seems to range from 1-1/2 to 2-feet tall. It was planted on May 13th. Hopefully, he'll have some pictures to send to Mr Colorado Bob.

Iran's election. Where is Jimmy Carter when we really need him?

There is a very interesting op-ed in today's Journal regarding South Korea President Lee's upcoming summit with Pres Obama on Tuesday. Let's see if I can find a link:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124484758194711341.html

Actually, it is about the best description of the political dynamic that I've come across.

Carol...
I think you are missing the point some of us on this blog are making.... we aren't talking about Palin's politics.... we are talking about the choice she's made to put her family in the public spotlight....

and in that regard I agree with everything Bethy said about her last night....
Can you give me a name of any of Bush twins' boyfriends?.... can you give the name of one of Chelsea's boyfriends?... Biden had his family come out on the stage with him at the convention to celebrate his candidacy of vice president.... can you name one of them?... (and no fair going to google)...

I'm 54 and have been interested in politics since the age of 12.... I've never seen a politician use their family the way Palin has.... I find the fact that Levi Johnson has become a household name disgusting.... and yes, the media can be take some of the blame.... but it was Palin herself that started this whole thing....

once again.... just my 2cents...

flatus, so what's so new about pentagon's "cyber-command"? hard to believe that something like this didn't already exist. maybe not same terminology, but surely this on somebody's plate of responsibility.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204373.html?hpid=moreheadlines

re "cyber command" dod's been in the 'puter biz since their birth... what's with this new announcement?

"The cyber-sorrows of Fidel's son"

http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/

full herald story referred to in above neteffect link

"Fidel Castro's son tricked in Internet love sting

A man posing as a woman carried out an eight-month Internet flirtation with Fidel Castro's son -- and found out the famed security protecting Cuba's leaders is not as tight as it's believed to be."

http://www.miamiherald.com/581/story/1095119.html

Well if you don't put it out there Renee the media's gonna dig it up. Well at least that time. They don't look really hard for the things we would like them to look for.

Don't you remember that they were over there in Alaska digging through the library and garbage cans looking for dirt on Palin. Hiding that crew wouldn't have helped it would have looked worse.

Like I said, Palin wouldn't be my choice for anything but I only think that fair is fair. And we did get lots of info on the cute little Obama girls. It was a joy to have it. Fortunately they are too young to get in any trouble yet. There is still time since I think Obama will be around for their teenage years. Heaven help those poor girls.

Well I won't be tormenting ya'll too much today. I have lots of chores and some on my band friends are playing down the road this afternoon. I will be thinking of Sturge as I watch and listen to them.

I do remember some of the shenanigans the Bush twins got in and I remember Laura turning into a lioness trying to protect them from the public eye.

"Some are caught every time they get in the car drunk. They are very unlucky" http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/rev-wright-strikes-again.html#comment-235853

... or maybe they're just very bad drivers Carol?
You've got to remember that years ago, drinking and driving was more acceptable. I doubt that there are nearly as many 'law obiding' people that do it any more. I at least that's what I'm hoping.

That said, I do agree with you on the luck thing.

"That is to say - we have more responsibility than we like to imagine..."

... 'imagine' or 'admit' Warren? Maybe we don't always want to know (or even need to know).

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I agree with you Carol. I don't see it so much as her using them as I see them being used by the media. I think she was chosen by McCain because of her family, and that it was agreed on ahead of time that she'd allow them to be visible. I don't see anything wrong with what she's done. My opinion.

... that's not to say that she didn't invite all of this in, when she made that decision. The old heat in the kitchen thing.

Carol...
I think there is a world of difference between how Obama has handle his family and the way Palin has handled hers concerning the political spotlight....

and despite the fact that I don't like the Bushes.... I thought they did a very good job trying to keep the twins out of the news....

I don't see this as a liberal vs conservative thing.... nor do I see it as as female vs male thing.... I see it as a politician... who just happens to be a female... as making a very poor and cold choice....

and that's my last word on the subject... I will agree to disagree with you....
it's a beautiful day.... and I will not spend it inside with this machine any longer.... have a great weekend!

Renee, Maybe it's just the kind of smut that I view regularly in the grocery store lines, but I noticed the Bush twins in the news all the time, for their partying, drinkng, etc. Neither got pregnant out of wedlock (that I know of?), so it didn't make as much of an impact though.

I'm not sure Carol sees it (although I can't speak for her) as a 'liberal vs conservative' thing either. Jjudging from her posts, I think she see's the specific remarks being mad as sexist. period. Not off limits, but used in bad taste.

This definitely come under the heading "Was that REALLY 50 years ago?"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4556514

1959 was a big year for music so it really stands out for me at 15 being enthralled with Dave Brubeck and Take Five above.

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Dexter, The National Cathedral has regular services, but the President rarely attends unless it is some form of National Day of Mourning or celebration. The church that is often referred to as The Church of the Presidents is across Lafayette Square catecorner to the White House. St. John's Episcopal

http://www.stjohns-dc.org/

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The Bush twins were also in college. That doesn't forgive the tabloid trash, but at least they weren't minors. I've always been amazed that Chelsea has lived her life in a fashion that the worst you've every seen is that she broke up with someone and of course the rumors now of a wedding this summer.

NEW THREAD.. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obama-takes-on-medicare-cuts.html

Has everyone been read their Miranda Rights? This day in history 1966

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do

NEW THREAD