Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Why does the MSM continue to keep a twisted view - and a few pundits - the continued success?
Get over Bush folks..... As the points you say on Cheney - you protest to much !!

And from today on let it continue that a wrong is not righted by another wrong

ping, you're on a hoo woo roll.
btw, how is your "a wrong is not righted by another wrong" any different from that to which craig alludes?

Ping,

I think Craig's point is worth making. Cheney comes off as rooting for America to fail, which in this day and age, seems to be the standard position of whichever party is not in power. Maybe it's always been like that, but in more innocent times (my innocence) I thought both parties were interested in successful governance and they just disagreed on how to get there.

maybe they're just giving our boys an early july 4th celebration.

anyway, here's how the guardian describes it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/30/iraq-power-handover

ed, i see the same thing with regard to prosecutors and defenders who, tho' both having sworn to pursue justice, seem only to want the other guy to lose and have no interest in justice at all.

When Cheney is tried in the Hague for his War Crimes, found Guilty and sentenced to Death by Hanging only then will Justice be accomplished.

And to make it true Justice they need to Hang Him with the same Noose that He had Saddam Hung with.

Go ahead Ping and keep telling us how we need to forget Cheney the War Criminal. I guess you'll be among the first to buy his book.

good idea, standardize chargers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jun/30/universal-mobile-phone-charger

and before pogo or warren or coreen jump on me for the 6:39 justice comment, i did not mean that lawyers should not represent their client's best interests fully and with vigor, but always within the law and professional ethics without rancor for the other side.

and by rancor, i don't mean those critters who sat at the foot of jabba the hut.

Cheney is evil. Surely that will be part of his legacy.
Syl

"I hope Iraqis can deal with it. At some point they have to stand on their own" - This sounds optimistic... Who made this point?

"My bread-stuffs are have been much less prone to mold since I switched to whole-grains, I've noticed.

Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com | June 30, 2009 12:30 AM"

dark, also noticed this with regard to organic milk products. seem to have longer shelf life dates than the industrial agricutural kind. wonder if they're radiated?

Iran is too busy to jack with Iraq right now (I assume...what happened to the news?), so that leaves it to the people of Iraq to make a go of things or implode. Based on the history of the region, I don't hold out much hope for them. Grampa Cheney needs to dial back his rhetoric to the root cause; any "wasted" sacrafices are on his head & the admin of which he was a part.

What about non-religious reasons, like not wanting to poison your child with chemo...or just not having health insurance?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_re/us_rel_faith_healing_law

The successful withdraw of the Bush Cheney plan is proceeding.

If this success continues then do we see a headline.. Iraq Freedom Saves Cheney Legacy ?

When the dust settles, Cheney will be right up there with Spiro Agnew.

EdVB - I do not see Cheney comments as that extreme. Have the same comment come from someone with a softer tone or from Obama and it sounds Practical - but make sure you get the full text not just an abridged version

Flatus - Did Cheney try to build highways in Maryland?

Cheney is a creep and always will be regardless of whatever happens in Iraq in the future

Jamie has been busy posting the letters at the 94th blog. She is doing a great job of posting some dandy music and photos along with the letters. Jamie, you're swell!!.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/ron-pauls-monetary-gripes-ring.html#comment-240236

Warren, milk is usually marked with a 'sell by' date which allows for about ten days of use before it turns nasty. Eggs are good for three weeks after the expiration date. Meat is kind of iffy--but, then I don't eat much of it. And then, it's only from sellers whom I trust.

The other common items like bread, rolls, crackers, etc., generally have a 'best by' date. Those dates, especially for things in cans and boxes (that you can't visually check for freshness) I generally observe.

In reality, I think very little unsold food makes it to the landfill. It's either given to charities while it is still palatable and safe, or sold to processors who convert it to animal feed. So, if kitty gets sick...

Our dogs were really happy with Purina topped with homemade broth. We knew what they were eating.

"Cheney comes off as rooting for America to fail, "

Remember back in the run-up to the 2000 election? All Bush and Cheney did was talk down the economy. I believe they caused a negative on Wall Street investing -- not to mention that there are major Republican bucks that are long time manipulators of said economy.

Did I just hear Joe Scarborough right? Did he just say that this war had "made fools of us all"??????

Coreen, a double thanks for your comments yesterday.

I was a city commissioner in a burg with unionized firefighters. We were tremendously dependent on their competence as Paramedics/EMTs, much more so than their abilities as firefighters. Each of our fire engines was dual-hatted as an ALS vehicle.

My campaign position was that our personnel, because of our tremendous dependence on them, should be compensated in the top quarter of the municipalities in our county; we wanted to attract and retain the best. New hires were generally drawn from the ranks of the department's volunteers.

Rather than having the city commission being involved in negotiations with the union, we had the chief along with the finance director and city attorney holding judgment. Generally they would reach an agreement which allowed the elected officials to continue expressing their love for department members even while some hard-nosed negotiations were going on.

Promotions through lieutenant were handled IAW with our union contract. Above lieutenant, it was by recommendation of the chief, through his commissioner to the entire commission.

"Flatus - Did Cheney try to build highways in Maryland?"

No, Ping, just a road to Baghdad and points north.

Patd,

No jumping from me---& speaking for myself---while I hope that those in the legal profession act within the law & ethics--& with at least respect for the other side--I know that is not always going to occur---& unfortunately the majority of those of us who do respect & value our profession are often treated with distrust because of the actions of a few
.
About the time of the Madoff disaster there was an attorney in NYC arrested for a massive financial scheme---(Dryer?)---he was a pretty high power lawyer with his own large firm---now disbanded---& I marveled at the brazenness of his scheme.

Ahhh... The road that the Iraq people may one day call the Freedom trail?

Off to the capitalistic, waiting for the stimulus trickle over, thought things started positive but now looks like more holding patterns - world...

Best to all

I bet if we take a poll, we'd find Cheney to be the most hated politician in the good ol' USofA.....

Blue.... what's happened to the news?.... it's be Michael Jacksonized....

I turned on CNN last night to see what they'd say about our soldiers pulling out of the cities in Iraq..... and instead it's breaking news about the mystery of Jackson's death.... ENOUGH ALREADY....

"The road that the Iraq people may one day call the Freedom trail?"

In yer dreams. Trail of Fears, maybe.

Renee -- Facebook has added an application whereby people can send "Michael Jackson RIP Hugs" to other people. Somebody stop the madness.

Flatus,

My intent was only my perspective that the reality of
life sometimes seems to be lost when events are
used--as in the Ricci case--for rank politics.

But for the nomination of Judge Sotomayor---
the facts of the Ricci case would not have had such exposure--& honestly as of this a.m. I am not sure
how the decision itself relates to the firefighters involved---am not sure if they get promotions, back pay, or if there is to be another test.

I did read the decision last evening & as Pogo stated
the Court took a pass on any consititutional challenge
& narrowly decided using the federal civil rights title
vii claim--it remanded it to the lower court--but as to
the remedy so far I am really not sure what will happen.

By the way the decision went through the entire process that led to the suit---& for those wondering
about the particulars of the test (though to my knowledge the actual test questons still have not been
released to the public) reading the decision provides
a pretty thorough explanation of how & what the testing
involved.

It is a blessing that Cheney did not get his hands on Iran. And I feel Cheney has been dead for years...it is his batteries that live on and soon no one will care.

Yuck Cheney. Wrong the entire time he was in office and still wrong today.

The real question is why do Republicans allow Cheney to appear in public and appear to speak for the GOP? The goopers must have a death wish.

" (though to my knowledge the actual test questons still have not been
released to the public) "

That's what bothers me the most, Coreen....why aren't they public?

" And I feel Cheney has been dead for years...it is his batteries that live on "

You may have just pegged it, BW!

http://www.acslaw.org/acsblog

Various law professors commenting on Ricci

You do have to wonder why the GOP continues to
let Cheney speak for them----but if it is a death wish---
that's ok with me.

Is anyone really listening to what Cheney says at this point.

For your 8:22, Coreen, one more thank you.

KGC, Thank you for posting that interesting site.

J

Patsi,

Here's the decision's discussion of the testing:

"In order to fit the examinations to the New Haven
Dept., IOS (company hired to create tests) began the test-design process by perfroming job analyses to identify the tasks, knowledge, skills, & abiliites that are essential for the lieutenant & captain positions.

IOS interviewed incumbent captains & lieutenants & their supervisors. They rode with & observed other on-duty officers.

sing information from those interviews & ride-alongs, IOS wrote job-analysis questionnaires & administered them to most of the incumbent battalion chiefs, captains, & lieutenants in the Dept. At every state of the job analyses, IOS, by deliberate choice, oversampled minority firefighters to ensure that the
results--which IOS would use to develop the examinations--would not unintentionally favor white candidates.

For each test, IOS compiled a list of training manuals, Dept. procedures, other materials to use as sources for the test questions. IOS presented the proposed
sources to the New haven fire chief & asst fire chief for their approval. Then, using the approved sources, IOS drafted a multiple-choice test for each position.

Each test had 100 questions, as required by CSB rules,& was written below a 10th grade reading level. After IOS prepared the tests, the City opened a 3-month study period. It gave candidates a list that identified the source material for the questions, including the specific chapters from which the questions were taken.

IOS developed the oral examinations as well. These concentrated on job skills & abilities. Using the job-analysis information, IOS wrote hypothetical situations to test incident-command skills, firefighting tactics, interpersonal skills, leadership, & management ability, among other things. Candidates would be presented with these hypotheticals & asked to respond before a panel of three assessors.

At the city's insistence (because of controversy surrounding previous examinations) all the assessors came from outside CT. IOS submitted the assessors' resumes to city officials for approval. They were
battalion chiefs, asst chiefs, & chiefs from depts of similar sizes to New haven. 66% of the panelists were minorities, & each of the nine 3-member assessment panels contained 2 minority members
(1 white, 1 hispanic, 1 african american)

IOS trained the panelists for several hours on the day before it administered the examinations, teaching them how to score the candidates' responses consistently using checklists of desired criteria."

mornin'

A new euphemism for ass thanks to our poobah - bases.

That site KC linked is interesting - the new evidentiary standard for Title VII claims is significant. "Strong basis in evidence" - pretty words, but what do they mean?

HEY!!! Sr. Dexter Johnson - did you see this?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06/30/sports/AP-CYC-Tour-de-France-Armstrong.html

And as to the remedy for the New Haven firefighters---this a.m. New Haven Register reports:

New Haven,(Mayor) DeStafano acknowledged in a City Hall press conference, ultimately will have to 'in some fashion' certify the promotional lists. He said in hindsight, that despite the ruling, he would not have done anything differently.

Standing outside the federal courthouse where a judge first threw out the lawsuit in 2006, fire Lt. Matthew Marcarelli, the top scorer on the captain's test, said all the plaintiffs wanted was what they earned.

"The truest vindication is the day we're all going to get pinned our badges on, the captain & lieutenant badges that we were entitled to," he said.

"Firefighters win" 'Truest vindication' yet to come"

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/06/30/news/new_haven/a1-riccimain.txt

spanish adventure:

http://arundahall.blogspot.com/

Pogo,

Guess Justice Souter's comment--"damned if you do,
damned if you don't"---takes on new meaning.

Coreen, indeed.

And here's something to consider--be careful where you use that credit card.

"What you buy affects your credit"

http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-cards/article/_a/bbdp/what-you-buy-affects-your-credit/544639

Here's some interesting stuff from the courts.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24365.html

FINALLY the courts are starting to see that the ridiculous assertions of Bushco, adopted by Obama that they can do anything to anyone in the name of thewaronterra are, well, ridiculous. This should have come much sooner.

Coreen, you don't think those Bunny Ranch charges will hurt my credit do you? (just kidding)

Heheheheh.

VA guv candidate wants Bush's economic record - through 2006, that is. Now about those last two years...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/va-gop-candidate-praises_n_222659.html

...not so much.

Pogo,

I was wondering about that--- better watch those trips
into the WV countryside!

But do you think those type of charges would raise your credit rating or not.

And with that I better get out of here & get some work done.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240269

But Patsi

The black bordered, commemorative, numbered collectors' plates haven't been issued yet

Not to mention the painting of coffee shop with Michael sitting with Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, James Dean, and Princess Grace.

Let the candle lit, flower festooned, teddy bear ensconced mass caterwauling continue.

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/06/29/inhofe-alleges-epa-buried-evidence-calls-for-criminal-investigation/

James Inhofe, claiming that the EPA withheld evidence that undermined climate change policy decisions argued that there should be a criminal investigation into the EPA report, as well.

"I don't know whether there would be or not," he said. "There could be, and there probably should be."

Inhofe's critics argued that there should be a medical investigation into whether there is stillany gray matter between Inhofe's ears. One of his harshest critics, who goes by the moniker "Colorado Bob" said "I don't know whether there would be or not," he said. "There could be, and there probably should be. I only know that he is either brain dead or just so profoundly stupid that he may as well be."

(OK, I made that last paragraph up)

Interesting info on those tests, Coreen. It appears they bent over backwards to make them fair.

Hey did any of you guys hear that Michael Jackson died?

And apparently Billy Mays died of a heart attack. I guess his head really was hard enough to withstand the rap on it from a piece of overhead luggage.

jamie - I think I saw one of those paintings hanging from the awning of a camper that a guy who sells confederate flag towels and POW-MIA flags parks near the VA hospital here. I'm pretty sure it was painted on velvet.

On Craig's column ... Cheney is a tin horn, two bit fascist with an aggrandized estimation of his own worth making the rounds of every third rate, right wing bloviator he can find to prop up his discredited reputation.

This man is directly responsible for the deaths, displacement, and shattered lives of hundreds of thousands of human beings: Crimes for which he will probably get off Scot free at least in this life time.

The sooner he enters dotage and decline and disappears or dies before he can do more damage the better.

Good, the EPA let a FOIA request trump the ridiculous position of the DHS about liquid coal ash sites. The 4 WV sites are on or near the OH River, and those that aren't on the Ohio are on rivers that flow into it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/epa-reveals-dangerous-coa_n_222660.html

http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/nonhaz/industrial/special/fossil/ccrs-fs/index.htm

C'mon, jamie, how do you REALLY feel about Cheney? :-)

Since Obama was sworn into office the MSM doesn't treat the reporting of US military deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan with the same high level of urgency they once did during the Bush administration.

Just to bring you up to date on US military combat related deaths since May 1, 2009 as reported by DoD.

37 military combat deaths, 90% Army, 50-50 split of the deaths have occurred between Iraq and Afghanistan. There has been 1 combat related death of a civilian who was assigned to the US Army.

There were also just as many US military non-combat related deaths that occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan during this same time span

Well Michael Ware on CNN just totally damned the whole Iraq adventure. While giving honor to the heroism and dedication of the troops sent, he basically said Iraq is worse off, the region is worse off, American reputation in the area is worse off and in general the whole adventure was a massive failure.

Pogo,

Was I too vague? :-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240301

Truth, what is surprising about that? There were 15 in May, so the number of deaths is up in June?

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx

The media also don't spend enough time telling about how well the economy went during the last two years of the Bush administration or how Bush fought tirelessly to preserve and protect the Constitution for the 7 years he was in office after 9/11- they just focus on how bad the economy is now and on those whiny terrorists who are claiming their rights are not extended to them while they are being held indefinitely without charges being brought.

jamie ;-)

I just hope that the Iraqi's can hold things together long enough for us to get out. Then they can go back to being the feuding tribes that we all know so well.

When they do descend back into chaos it will effectively disprove Bush's assertion that democracy is for everyone. Certain cultures cannot support and do not want democracy.

jax, nail, head. :-)

now, lunch

http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/oif-total.pdf

You'll see 2 rows: Died while captured. Died while missing in action.

Do you think the NYT will call for the Pentagon to release of the photos/videos surrounding these incidents?

"any "wasted" sacrafices are on his head & the admin of which he was a part."

blue, so true.

jamie/pogo, can't wait for the franklin mint's commemorative coin of genuine sequined goldplate featuring michael ascending to heaven into the outstretched arms of princess di with angel wings and surrounded by cherubim. for $19.99 more it comes in a music box that plays the whole thriller album when opened.

Cheney has a legacy to try to make something of, and he's not got a whole lot of workable material--so he's trying to damn all who failed to continue the policies he and Dubya pushed so hard.

Never seems to occur to him--dishonest man that he is--that between our military and the Iraqi population there are many many graves that attest to the appalling failure of those policies.

ACCKKKK!!! Where are my manners? Good afternoon, all.

If there is a terrorist attack, cheney will not only boast that he was right, but he'll also blame America.

He seems to have joined the beltway's Hate America crowd we heard so much about since nixon took office.

smile folks, you're on candid camera

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8126197.stm

Obviously you don't read the NYT.

As far as Consituational rights, Obama has/is adopting many of Bush's ideas. Of course Obama has a real problem to contend with that must be driving the Liberals right out of their minds. What is he going to do with all those terroist prinsoners held at Gitmo, who can't be tried, and can't be release?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10274412-38.html

Hmmmmm....interesting....laughs

a repost from the bluecorn site for our philosophical lesson of the day:

"I stumbled across this on the intertubes:

On one occasion, I asked a Hopi woman at Munqapi if she selected only the biggest corn kernels of all one color for planting her blue maize. She snapped back at me, “It is not a good habit to be too picky... we have been given this corn -- small seeds, fat seeds, misshapen seeds -- all of them. It would show that we are not thankful for what we have received if we plant just certain ones and not others” (Nabham 1983 pp. 7)

Nabhan, G. "Kokopelli: the humpbacked flute player" Coevolution Quarterly, pp 4-11, Sp 1983.
Posted by rezdog"

thanks, rez

When do you think HRC will resign as Sec. of State?

well.... I for one can't wait 'til my next trip to Vegas to see the show of Michael Jackson impersonators....

oh yeah... I forgot to mention in my post this morning that I personally think that Cheney is one of this planet's major assholes.....
too bad he can't discorpotate....

ah crap....
for all you Heinlein fans..... that's discorporate.....

now I've gone and done my own pet peeve.... sheesh.... :0)

someone just e-mailed this. tho't provoking.

At five minutes and six seconds after 4 AM on the 8th of July this year, the time and date will be

04:05:06 07/08/09.

This will never happen again.

"This will never happen again."

...happens every hundred years.

Why doesn't Cheney just go back to Wyoming and swim in a pool full of his dirty money, already?

TIR

Looking at the 31,000 wounded, I can't help but wonder how many of them still have all their body parts and a functioning brain.
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Craig, I think it is quite honest to say that more than a few Liberals thrilled at ANYTHING disastrous during the Bush administration. The chaos in Iraq was a Godsend to Liberals and “IRAQ IS LOST” became the political mantra that carried Obama into the White House.

I remember, here, there was little outrage that Obama could not even admit the "surge" worked or that McCain deserved ANY credit. The chaos in Pakistan, which again, Liberals were thrilled about, WAS ALL BUSH's fault. Damn that Musharraf. I don’t know about you, but for me the results were quite predictable, not any disaster lust.

One of the toughest things Liberals were forced to swallow during the campaign was the GOP claim that "we weren’t hit under Bush". Tell me the truth, would some vocal Liberals wish that claim had vanished during the campaign?

As for Cheney, although I am not a partisan supporter, he at least in this account NOT GLOATING OVER OUR "VICTORY" because of the Iraqi reaction and ground realities. He doesn’t seem to be inventing several serious problems which today the DOD confirmed. There has been an up tick in bombings which will likely increase. Why should Cheney be happy and join the everything is wonderful in Iraq crowd?

As for this glorious mission accomplished, the Iraqis aren't tossing us flowers after the tough sacrifice we made. That is a bit irritating. I find it ungracious as now Iraqis have the chance of Democracy and life without Saddam. Thomas Ricks says we will have to provide security for quite a while more, so Cheney is being consistent, yes? He doesn't trust that in-fighting won't start up. Liberals and media pumped the chaos in Pakistan and Iraq in a political struggle.

And guess what other likely thing will happen in Iraq besides AQ and sectarian differences? By most expert opinion this morning across the internet, Ahmadinejad will continue to causing trouble. To call this very predictable event weeks away “hoping for disaster” is completely wrong. That would be like a weather man calling for storms this weekend, hoping for disaster. Frankly, I wish the forecast was rosy.

If Iraq can stay on track and resist Iranian meddling, if Afghanistan can be stabilized, we will have significant leverage against the Iranian regime: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/71009.html

But right now in Iraq there is this mess: http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6634/1/ This is a crime Obama seems to be walking away from. Will Hillary? Is this our gift to Ahmadinjad? It makes no sense, or does it?

Despite Michael Jackson and Sanford, Iran has not gone away. Iran’s judicial leader threatens to execute protesters and show them no mercy, but thousands stand up: http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6636/1/

Strange other news absent some real analysis on south of the border. It appears Clinton’s first reaction on Honduras showed the side of her I remember. Yet the loud outrage.

If the Congress, SCOTUS and the DOD called our President’s action unconstitutional (and it was), would we call the President’s removal, a coup? At first, Hillary would not call it such, but Obama did very quickly. Well, far more quickly than Iranian comments. And I am talking about Honduras Constitution, not exactly our means for removal. Do any papers here lament the trend towards lifetime leaders? Did the NYT gloat over the Argentinean election?

Does there seem more outrage by Liberals over Honduras than the reaction over Iran? And look how Chevez threatens military intervention and demands a return to Democracy. His kind of Democracy? Sure sounds like those Liberal amplification organs are blowing us some hypocrisy again.

Just like there present coverage of Iraq.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240321

Not that I'm going to wait around to see it happen, but won't the same thing occur in 3009?

And Jax hopes for disaster too, but for different reasons than Cheney. Chaos further vilifies Bush.

That kind of proves my point........

max said this, "One of the toughest things Liberals were forced to swallow during the campaign was the GOP claim that "we weren’t hit under Bush".

seems to me that 9/11 happened on the Bush/Cheney watch.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240311

Pat, I'd suggest you look in the Yellow Book for Intellectual Property Lawyers. :-)

This is the way it works :

Whenever a republican Nero is in the White House, cheney, limpaugh, pong, and truthinrealty all say that the President knows all, because he reads all the secret intelligence reports. Further, The Commander in Chief in Wartime can do no wrong, and anyone who disagrees with Him hates America and is allied with Satan.

When a Democrat is in the White House, cheney, limp, pong, and tinrealty all say, the President doesn't know a dam' thing, his intelligence reports are written by red moles, and his policies are destroying the country. Further, anyone who cheers for the White House team is allied with Satan.

It's kinda weird the way cheney, limp, pong, and realty always paint republican presidents as a cross between Julius Caesar, victor over the Celtic terrorists (See the Fair and Balanced "Gallic Wars"), and Solomon, who wouldn't let a Mom to get away with killing her baby.

It's kinda weird the way these folks always paint Democratic Presidents as a cross between Dr. Moriarty (See Doyle's 'The Final Problem') and Goofy (Mickey Mouse's much funnier, and shamefully underpaid, sidekick).

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240315

Truth, you are ridiculous. How many terrorists are ther at Gitmo? If the past is an indicator of the present, not many. I don't condone or defend those practices under Obama any more than under Bush. Bush started the heinous deprivation from people picked up willy-nilly by bounty hunters for $5k per of those rights deemed by the founders of our country as endowed by the Creator and unalienable . The prisoners at Gitmo need to be either tried or released, period. If we haven't got enough evidence to try them, why are we still holding them? The answer is not found under the O's, it's found under the B's. It's an unconscionably bullshit system resting on a foundation of dishonesty and perpetuated by the unreasoning fear of guys with brown skin and funny names. If Obama and Congress had any integrity, it would cease to exist in the very near term. It's a part of the legacy Cheney is out ther etrying to make grow. It's a moral embarassment that is contrary to everything this country was founded on, but Cheney (and Bush as well) is as completely amoral as an individual can be.

ISP problems ..................... chewing my keyboard here .

Summer of Death '09... my gramps is about to go. Hmmm...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240323

dlb - If it's lasts don't you think they'll have to go to a three digit date format at the turn on the next century to prevent confusion i.e 07/08/009 and 07/08/109

"One of the toughest things Liberals were forced to swallow during the campaign was the GOP claim that "we weren’t hit under Bush". Tell me the truth, would some vocal Liberals wish that claim had vanished during the campaign?"

Yeh, I guess we were lucky that Bush\Cheney took office on September 12, 2001 and not before that otherwise we could have had a terrorist attack on Bush\Cheney's watch.

Kansas City up date
Bob,
Just think of this corn as food for the hungry, a hungry racoon family that is.
http://cbhopibluecornexperiment.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | June 30, 2009 1:38 PM

...maybe with advances in medical technology, but as it stands, we'll all be dead by then, hence, no confusion.

...and calendars are arbitrary, of course.

Oh, now Bush was at fault over 9/11 before anyone really wanted to do anything. Ask Bill Clinton. Look at the crap even Democrats gave him over Afghanistan strikes.

Good observation Horse. Anymore?

Xrepub, glad I now know how it works.

Want to keep it simple? Bush removed Saddam and now Iraqis have a chance for Democracy. We shall see if Liberal Intellectuals who claim that Iran has no interest in destabilizing Iraq are right. If not, I will post quotes from Juan Coles among others. Given the degree Democrats base their expectations on speculation, it is strange none will paint me a picture of Life with Saddam.

Other simple fact: Democrats said Iraq was Lost. Obama was a main cheerleader in this camp.

If you think mission accomplished is today, you would be smoking the same stuff as Maher and Stone. These were the same bone-heads that lambasted mission accomplished, the orginal lesson. Guess what? Afghanistan, Pakistan and even Iraq are all in play. And guess who plays a big role? The Mullahs and their proxies. Still Stones great sory isn't anything like the Stoning, but rather a movie that shows how stupid Reagam was. Bravo.

Another simple fact: the best peaceful pressure we can bring upon our adversaries who have little use of Democracy or Human Rights, is the advance of Liberal Democracy. You know, the stuff Jefferson promoted. Sometimes this transition to LIberty is messy, takes a long time and necessary, especially when the alternatives are an unacceptable threat to our own LIberty.

One more fact: the game being played in all these places involve the same forces that make an agreement between Palestinians who war with each other and the Israelis impossible. Saddam would have loved to keep that game a live wire.

That media does not laud Bush's march towards Democracy in Iraq despite the mistakes and costs, speaks volumes and Jax's comments is an undercurrent, to even our approach to Iran and Afghanistan. Craig rather took a pass on this long observed subject with his different headline on Cheney.

Just think of how much more the Iranian people would have suffered under the martial law of endless conflict with Saddam. The two countries would have wound the Middle East into a far more explosive mixture.

Max, neither Iran nor Iraq is considered a strong ally of the US, and neither is on our continent, as Honduras has been and is, which may account for the interest in the Honduran coup and Obama's taking a position on it. We weren't hit under Bush? Really? 9/11 aside, we've been engaged in 2 wars under Bush. I think the 3,444 dead and 31,342 wounded in action US servicemen and were hit - or don't they, whose numbers now exceed the dead and wounded of 9/11, count?

GENERAL NOTICE:

There is a clever device at the bottom of this page that allows one to 'preview' a submission before it is submitted for the edification of all on this blog. This allows one to read over what he/she has written, giving him/her an opportunity to NOT sound like a moron.

"Better to remain quiet and have people wonder if you are simple than to speak and erase the doubt."

maxtrue ignores how republicans cheered every time anything went wrong during the Carter Administration*, or how they hated anything good that happened in the Clinton Administration.**

By maxtrue's definition then, republicans are all "Liberals."

* Embassy hostages, inflation^, energy crisis, crime^.
** Peace, empoyment ^, crime V, stocks ^, interest rates V, trade imbalance V, national debt V, American prestige ^.

To all the folks who helped with my oven , I 'm generating some numbers. now. It cost more than I guessed it would. A $1000.00 .
It's bigger than I guessed it would be 8ft tall.

" The total surface area of my glass is 700 sq. in. or 4.86 sq feet. That's 25 X 28 inches.
The reflectors are going to be 6,129 sq in. or 42.56 sq feet .
That's 8.82 to 1

That's 47.42 sq feet of total collecting power going into a box that is 10.89 cu. feet. of space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0BtH-mhW18

___________

Back at it.

Max,

I've spent alot of time in the middle east. I've never been fond of Bush's efforts to institute democracy there. Don't get me wrong....I support whole heartedly the use of force in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Force is the only thing that is understood and respected over there. I think we should have left both countries as soon as regime change took place and let them both dive into chaos. They'd much rather fight each other than our military. Spending our money and our servicemen's lives to rebuild is an exercise in lunacy. Let them pick up the pieces when they get around to it........

Cue the Stealer's Wheel!

fun, but I gotta run.

Good observation Horse. Anymore?

ok, wasn't the bush admin advised BEFORE they took office to be aware of Bin Lauden and they decided not to? That's how I remember it Max. Your guy f'ed up! along with nearly every one connected with that sorry assed 8 years.

This just in:

POLITICO Breaking News:
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The Minnesota Supreme Court has unanimously ruled for Democrat Al Franken, affirming a lower court ruling that Franken won the Minnesota Senate race.

Not that Coleman will pay attention to such pesky things as state supreme court rulings, let alone that all the recounts show he got fewer votes than Franken. Alongside Coleman's math skills, I look like--well, let's just say I can routinely make 2 + 2= 5==but he has a positive genius for mishandling numbers.

Hey C Bob, don't want to rain on your parade but how many street corn vendors do you find in the world? I can't think of any I have ever seen other than at state fairs.

Yo,
They seem to be at every oudoor event I've ever been to here in Texas. Really good too......

Don't think I've ever seen street corn vendors at outdoor events here in East TN--but then, historically, we prefer turning corn into a transportable liquid--;)

Here what you see at all of them is funnel cake. To die for.

maxtrue forgets that under the Monroe Doctrine (obviously, a Liberal Democratic policy) anything that happens in the Western Hemisphere is our business, if we can possibly construe it as having any affect on our security, no matter how tiny.

Per exemplum, that shameless Socialistic Liberal Ike's overthrow of the democratically elected Arbenz government. Dole might have lost a penny in a contemplated banana export tax, had Ike not found Guatemalan bananas to be vital to American security. The tax-enriched Guatemalan government might then have found itself somewhat less constrained to be slavishly devoted to the interests of American coffee drinkers. Where would it all end ?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240353

Pogo, non-belligerent presidents, potentates and majesties tend to stick together as the purest of the pure when their contemporaries are under siege.

"It cost more than I guessed it would. A $1000.00 ."

Bob, open up a new Fundables page.

I bet MSNBC wishes it could boast the following numbers, or for that matter any numbers.

FOX NEWS RECORDS UNPRECEDENTED TOP 10 OUT OF 10 PROGRAMS IN CABLE NEWS FOR 2ND QUARTER... ON PACE TO BE NETWORK'S BEST YEAR EVER...

THE O'REILLY FACTOR 3,191,000
HANNITY 2,345,000
GLENN BECK 2,053,000
ON THE RECORD W/GRETA 1,950,000
SPECIAL REPORT W/BRET BAIER 1,889,000
FOX REPORT/SHEP SMITH 1,783,000
THE O'REILLY FACTOR (RPT) 1,579,000
AMERICA'S NEWSROOM BILL HEMMER & MEGYN KELLY 1,399,000
YOUR WORLD W/NEIL CAVUTO 1,389,000
STUDIO B W/SHEP SMITH 1,169,000

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240372

TiR. One of the BIG PROBLEMS WITH FOX IS THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS SHOUTING.

Truth,

From a purely business point of view I laugh everytime I see Rush and Fox characterized as fringe..... Their advert number's just don't support that contention.....

Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com | June 30, 2009 12:52 PM : "Why doesn't Cheney just go back to Wyoming and swim in a pool full of his dirty money, already?"

cheney didn't even live in WY when he was their senator. He claimed to be a WYguy in 2000 solely for election purposes, and even went so far as to buy a little house there, to support the fiction and his election run. But, why would he ever want to return to that wretched wasteland now ?

I suppose that cheney's dirty money is mostly in the United Arab Emirates, along with halliburton, whose other executives allowed him to swindle stockholders out of $40 M!LL!ON in bonus money (under cheney's inspired leadership, halliburton's losses were $8 B!LL!ON - a figure which was hidden from the SEC and markets during cheney's tenure as Chief Looting Officer).

If dink doesn't go to Dubai to swim in his embezzlement and graft, I presume that it is because his Secret Service guards or the DoS won't let him go abroad for some reason.

Sitting here looking out the window as a mother wren is giving one of her hatchlings life lessons. This is how we hop, how we search for food, and how we eat. You've done really well. Now, open your mouth and I'll give you a snack.

"Sanford Admits To More Contact With Mistress"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/30/AR2009063001990.html

"Not to mention the painting of coffee shop with Michael sitting with Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, James Dean, and Princess Grace."

OMG! Jamie -- I hadn't thought of that one!!!!!

Back for a few minutes -

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240370

flatus, pardon my density - but that means what?

Well, I guess MN's gov is now backed into a corner. Hmmm, I wonder if he'll do what he said he'll do and sign the certificate.

"This allows one to read over what he/she has written, giving him/her an opportunity to NOT sound like a moron."
joe, now you've done it. probably set off another round of self-doubt, paranoia and retaliatory feedback.

"don't you think they'll have to go to a three digit date format at the turn on the next century to prevent confusion"
rez, that's was my conclusion as to what the e-mailer must have meant by his "never again" claim. i also poohpoohed it on the first reading like dark and jamie. glad you spoke up cause i was really beginning to take joe's preview remarks on stupidity to heart.

"You've done really well. Now, open your mouth and I'll give you a snack."

B.F. Skinner would be so proud Flatus. :)

"Sanford Admits To More Contact With Mistress"

Patd, Tell me your not surprised. Please.

Joe, I made sure I previewed first. Good advice.

cable news = "news" for the Orafix and Depends set.

see what i mean. that's = that

"probably set off another round of self-doubt, paranoia and retaliatory feedback."

.... all the things that make this place so much fun.

pat, hopefully, with 91 years notice, the computer guys at Microsoft and Apple will be able to plan for that without causing the widespead angst that the anticpated worldwide Millenium Bug computer crash on 01/01/01 (or was it 01/01/00?) caused. I anticpate (though I won't see it) that the Dems wil propose abill to adopt the 3 digit year code at the turn of the next century and the republicans will work hard to defeat it as some kind of socialistic change or some other sort of nonsense.

"There has been a fantastic response to our contest asking readers to provide a title for Dick Cheney's yet-to-be-named memoir. We also had quite a few voters weigh in on our poll asking you to choose a favourite among six early-bird entries. The winner in that case was "Ready. Fire. Aim."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/in-other-words/cheney-contest-the-entries/article1201786/

I kinda like the title someone suggested: "If I Did It"

Senator Al Franken

It's official.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240372

TIR

Wouldn't think of raining on your parade, but what demo?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240378

patsi, of course there has to be the obligatory song. eg elton john's "candle in the wind" tribute to di. write a good country tear-jerker for michael and you'll be an instant millionaire.

"flatus, pardon my density - but that means what?"

Pogo, it simply reflects the emotions I felt as the Administration spokesman automatically said the President supports the ousted president and that the rule of law should be upheld--as that president was busy trying to shed the Honduran constitution.

"B.F. Skinner would be so proud Flatus. :)"

Goodness, Chloe, what caused that to pop out? I'm impressed!

shed = shred =shed =shred

Flatus, You said it. :)

I was really just thinking about how lovely it was that you were enjoying those birds so much, appreciating the beauty of new life and motherhood, the cuteness of it all - appreciating the little things. It's you that impressed me.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240391

flatus, I getcha, but my understanding is that the outgoing (literally - in a plane in his pajamas) president Zelaya wasn't exactly succeeded lawfully. I don't know the details about his attempts to change the constitution through a non binding referendum so that he could continue to serve, but hey, we've changed our constitution to prevent that, only not through a plebicite. It is odd to be on the same side of the controversy as Chavez, though..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240380

pat,

Actually I think most folks have already adopted the use of four digits so as to eliminate all current and potential probs.

I better watch myself too, cause I enjoy keeping everyone in suspense.:-)

POLITICO Breaking News:
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Norm Coleman has conceded to Al Franken in the Minnesota Senate race after losing the state Supreme Court case.

Well, well, well. Gotta hand it to ol' Norm--he has taken this knobite completely by surprise by his concession.

OMG....
TPM just reported that Norm Coleman conceded.....

it's really f**king over!

KT...
you are fastest gun in the west today..... :0)

doing the happy... happy... dance....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240382

Nielsen families. Those who still have land lines so they can be reached by that new fangled telephony thingamabob.

Jamie,

Oh please don't rain on parade, but what demo(?) are you talking about.

Liberals, like yourself, just have a hard time understanding how FOX continually, day after day, week after week, month after month beats the socks off all the other cable news outlets. Bill O' has beaten all the other show collectively in that 8 PM time slot. That has to be so embarrassing for those other cable news shows, whoever they are. Who's that guy Keith something or another, and Matthews? Has Matthews ever broke 1,000,000 viewers barrier, ever? Has Matthews ever surpassed 250,000 viewers ever? How do they stay on the air?

"...adopted the use of four digits so as to eliminate all current and potential probs:

rez, but watch that fifth digit. it can sorta stick out there sometimes and gets you in all kinds of trouble.

so fry daddy (tir) if fox is so influential why did your guy lose in the last election and in general lose 2 years earlier also?

dems saved seats for francken on health, judiciary, special aging and indian affairs committees. already picked staff. raring to go it looks like.
new motto for al? have seats, will sit
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003157088

Posted by: maxtrue | June 30, 2009 1:49 PM : "Oh, now Bush was at fault over 9/11 before anyone really wanted to do anything. Ask Bill Clinton. Look at the crap even Democrats gave him over Afghanistan strikes."

1. The bushcheneyrumsfeld Administration turned down the recommendations of the Rudman/Hart Commission on terrorism, because it would cost a few dollars. This act of ignorance and parsimony was perpetrated by bush cheneyrumsfeld despite the newt's and James Schlesinger's membership in the committee and their concurrence in the conclusions of the report. To the extent that the babybush team blew off the 1/31/01 Rudman/Hart report that hardening cockpits was vital to American security, yes 9/11 was the fault of bushcheneyrumsfeld.

2. To the extent that the babybush crowd blew off both Clinton WH and CIA reports about the dangers of bin laden and alqaeda, yes 9/11 was the babybus crowd's fault.

3. I remember very well the attacks made on Clinton by republicans after his attempts to destroy bin ladin and his camps in Afghanistan and Sudan through cruise missiles. rightwingers demeaned Clinton and the Navy for destroying the al Shifa (Arabic for Cornucopia) Pharmaceutical factory, which republicans called a Sudanese "dairy" . To the extent that republicans did not back the Clinton Administration effort to track down and destroy alqaeda 0n 8/20/98, they are at fault for 9/11/01

4. To the extent that republicans used alqaeda attacks on the USS Cole and our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania to call Clinton weak, and to pump negative campaigns in '98 and 2000, rather than to fund a greater effort to find and destroy alqaeda, yes, republicans are at fault for 9/11. However, they spent more than $70 M!LL!ON on the Whitewater investigation and prosecution that led to an acquital. What great priorities republicans have.

Parenthetically, I predict that MN Guv Potholes Aplenty will announce soon that he won't certify Franken's election until after the SCOTUS ruling.

Hey RR
What am I chopped liver?

Senator Al Franken

It's official.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | June 30, 2009 3:39 PM

Who watches Fox?

Old rightwingers and racists according to their demographics

KT...
you are fastest gun in the west today..... :0)

doing the happy... happy... dance....

Posted by: RebelliousRenee | June 30, 2009 4:12 PM

I'm doing the happy dance too, Renee.:)

Would have been faster on the draw about the Coleman concession but got distracted by an article by Thomas Hampson in THE NEW STATESMAN in which he simultaneously calls for a restoration of liberal arts programs in public schools that went the way of the dodo (or close) thanks to education cuts and for a full investigation into Bush WH skulduggery--

http://www.newstatesman.com/arts-and-culture/2009/06/america-song-hampson-arts-past

He doesn't call names but it's pretty obvious who he means--

" It is, rather, a crueler demographic point. The dirty little secret of conservative talk radio is that the average age of listeners is 67 and rising, according to [Jon Sinton, founding president of Air America] — the Fox News audience, likewise, is in its mid-60s: “What sort of continuing power do you have as your audience strokes out?”

Only dinosaurs listen to radio these days, and it’s doubtful many people under 50 even know AM radio exists, so it shouldn’t be surprising that the average age of right-wing radio listeners is 67. It’s also truly not shocking that this demographic is also predominantly male. According to a Pew study in February, 72 percent of Limbaugh’s elderly listeners are men and thus are statistically likely to “stroke out” sometime in Pres. Obama’s second term, assuming he wins one."
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/05/05/average-age-of-fox-news-viewer-is-65/

Maxtrue,

You have to understand pogo never worked shift work, or if he did he has forgotten what it was like if something went wrong just after the other shift was relieved, and this is why he sees 9/11 as Bush's fault. It is just so much easier to pass the buck onto the relieving shift. He forgets Bush just relieved the prior shift and what has been going on that shift has yet to be been detected. So pogo gives Bill C a pass on 9/11, for the 9/11 terrorist who were let in before Jan 23, 2001, of the other attacks on US., WTC 1, USS Cole, African Embassies bombings, US military barracks. Liberal like to forget WTC 1 ever happened, and they don't consider the other attacks as attacks on the US as they didn't occur here on the homeland.

kgc, you're leaving out all those comedy writers from the daily show, colbert, imus and the whole msnbc gang. a lot of folks watch that don't necessarily agree but want to hear the whole spectrum.

Bush was warned and did nothing.

looks like this all happened on Shrub's watch

"The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/politics/10terror.html

TV in general is for old people. Middle-class Americans under 40 gets their news and entertainment from the 'net

Categorized | Cable TV

HBO’s Hung Premiere Delivers 2.8 Million Viewers, True Blood Averages 3.7 Million

can one hear a spectrum? guess one only sees a spectrum but hears a range. the cacophonic range or continuum from of news, from cacca to phoney to ick

TiR to Jamie: "Liberals, like yourself, just have a hard time understanding how FOX continually, day after day, week after week, month after month beats the socks off all the other cable news outlets. Bill O' has beaten all the other show collectively in that 8 PM time slot."

Absolute absurdity, TiR. Are you too dense to "get" what you just wrote?

Clue: "ALL the other cable news outlets."

Read it carefully and maybe you'll understand. There is a Fox/right wing home for all wing nuts. And then there is a world and a wealth of OTHER news outlets for the thinking people. When you spread the viewing around, you get fewer viewers on each competitor.

Please think before you flap.

"...MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” does the best in cable news primetime among the most desirable younger demographic... the average “Countdown” viewer is 59 years old, and 55 percent of its audience is male."

-from KGC's "Pensito Review" link.

joe, you're absolutely right. previewing would help.

KGC,

The question is, who are the few viewers watching the other cable news channels? Kathryn you are quoting AirAmerica, for stats on FOX, that is simply precious. LMAO. That is just to funny. Didn't AirAmerica go belly-up like a beached whale, but they never got to whale size, didn't get much beyond minnow size.

I see the Russian River Brewing Company has received a good writeup for their Blind Pig beer/ale. Drink-up!

Parenthetically, I predict that MN Guv Potholes Aplenty will announce soon that he won't certify Franken's election until after the SCOTUS ruling.

Posted by: xrepublican | June 30, 2009 4:29 PM

Dunno, XRep--one source says Pawlenty and MN Sec. of State Mark Ritchie had both already indicated they would sign the certification "as soon as (the MN Supreme Court) gave it the green light."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/court-rules-franken-has-won-senate-seat/?hp

Gotta laugh though. If Coleman has never thought he was irreplaceable, then why do this for seven months?

TiR...dude...

Take a break, man.

patd,

On second thought, it probably wouldn't help much.

Senator Al Franken

Now let McConnell and crew stop those nominations.

I know you were only trying to help, Joe, but ironically, admonitions usually only serve to exacerbate the negativity. Weird, huh? Oh well. Get it out of your systems then, people, and then go enjoy summer whilst you can.

Someone link some good music. Beach Boys, maybe.

Pensito Review? Where did they get their demos from AirAmerica?

Last time I looked Keith had slightly over 1 million viewers. Bill audience is usually 3 times that number. If you want to use Pensito's demo then most of you should be watching Bill O, as a number of you will never see 59 again.

KGC...
I posted before I saw your post.... I owe you a glass of Zin!

frydaddy is up to his old tricks..... if the news doesn't suit him... change the subject... been there.... done that.... won't waste my time reading any more of it....

still doing the happy.... happy.... dance..... WOO WOO

here you go my lord....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN7Xs9WVNBU

*clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap*

Will Al Franken do any better in the US Senate, then he did for AirAmerica?

Well I am happy as a clam ! Franken has been declared the winner of the U.S. Senate seat. It's about fracking time !!

What a day! Kirkuk bomb blows people to smithereens (thanks Cheney and Bush for your starting your war) while US troops reposition themselves in Iraq---(don't think for a minute they are going to STAY out of the cities!), and now we finally have 2 senators from Minnesota.
"Franken could be seated as soon as next week when the Senate returns from a holiday recess."--nyt quote

Truth, what have you done that is anything spectacular?

Yo, Tom.

OK, 1 more request, Renee: "Good Day Sunshine" - Fab Four.

Leave him be, Tom; he's out for blood today. Hope all is well in the Waffleton/Sproutsberg area.

He could always move the a spin off blog :-) ... LOL LOL LOL I had to read that a second time...

WAFFLETON/SPROUTSBERG area! Brilliant. I am doing good. I an an apartment owner now. Life is good. Now let's socialize medicine and those who are against it can buy private insurance at their cost. :-D

Oh RR,

You of all Liberals. God, and all the times I backed you on your support for HRC during the primaries, while the Obamamanics were trashing her, and her supporters, you being one of them, and this is the thanks I gets. I'm wounded.

Ok I am gone... take care... BTW, who is the DARK LORD?

OK, why didnt I see this before? TiR is actually FryDaddy?!!! I don't get why people change nicks to conceal who they are, but to each his/her own. That's the beauty of freedom...

here's another Beach Boys....

let's call it the anthem for the Repubs....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdov2UIjUpY

ok my lord.... here you are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHTPdbpogRE

ETom.... it's great to see you...

OH ET,

Well I pay my taxes on all my income. Does that count?

ET,

You have changed your name several times. Or have you forgotten?

TiR... no it doesn't. And I only changed my nickname twice but it was clear I was still me and I didn't do it to hide.

Renee good to see you too. I am still around but very invested in FACEBOOK .

If anyone wants to be a facebook friend, you are welcome

http://www.facebook.com/eurotom?ref=profile

BTW, who is the DARK LORD?

Posted by: eurotom.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | June 30, 2009 5:28 PM

...quite possibly the coolest person ever, if that helps.

here's a good one....

I'maDinnerJacket in a blender....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHTPdbpogRE

ET,

How is Belgium this time of the year? Still managing the gas station. Russians owners still giving you headaches?

Jax celebrates not our victory in Iraq, but a bombing. Anything to cling to the hate Bush mantra. Simply amazing...

XRepub, the Clinton adminstration had OBL and didn't wack him, Carter created OBL. Some people will stay on their blame game forever. The 2000 election didn't shift administration control to much later than usual. Bush kept many US security bosses in place and had the intelligence community functioned properly, a problem from the Clinton years, they might have done what XRepub suggests. I don't think that bipartisan commission blamed Bush, or even scolded him more than they did Clinton. Clinton has said many times that until 9/11 people just didn't understand the threat.

Some Liberals would rather forget the lessons and military spending porjected by this administration will reach new lows in the out years.

Obama ran early on a no to missile defense. Even as he touts our missile defense systems, he is still making major cuts. Should we have to strike against our adversaries with their new defense system, the Raptor is the best bet. The battle for Raptors is coming up.

It is amazing that on this day, media cannot bring themselves to pay tribute to Bush or even McCain. Obama banks heavily on Bush's generals. Don't think McChrystal is Obama's boy. Had Democrats gotten their way, the blood spilled in Iraq would have been in vain. At the start, people like Juan Coles predicted a decade battle for Iraq. Biden said only a partition would solve Iraq's problem. Clinton said that he expected Saddam would have to be removed sooner or later.

So you all can spin today how ever you wish. Celebrate the New LIberals in Franken and Buress.

And let's talk about Obama's first big blunder in the Middle East. He laid down an absolutist position in regard to settlements. He brushed off Netanyahu more than Assad or Ahmadinejad. I tried to explain that certain growth on specific settlements was always the US understanding. Just look at the formula for the Clinton Map. And the US always supported a Jewish State. Then Obama talked about doing nothing in regard to Iran until Netanyahu blinked. He never mentioned a Jewish State. He has yet to approave the request from Israel for missile defense systems.

Well Iran farted and Hamas after attacking Fatah fired at Egyptians and recenty helped the Mullahs beat Iranians. Now Obama has to PREDICTABLY back step. Egypt and the Saudis have pushed Iran to the top of the list. Iran proved after months of agressive action the futility of Obama's gesture line. As Obama returns to center, people like Maher and Stone, Kos and CommonDreams take aim at Obama the betrayer.

I suspect Democrats will find a way to turn victory in defeat unless Obama can find the right suit and steer them into common sense.

TiR, don't expect gratitude, some here seem more like Iraqis at times........

As Craig can see, some Democrats want disaster in Iraq more than Cheney.

I posted this on Facebook. I thought I would share it here as well.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2009/06/ann_arbor_man_carries_on_his_d.html

Clinton sent his former security czar into the secret archives and he stole information about pre 9/11 memos. I don't think Bush did that. Remember Burger? Had that been Libby, he would be in jail.

Make no mistake, Liberals were not thrilled by Desert Fox and did not care for Clinton's strikes on Afghanistan. Power blamed him for Rwanda and Somalia. Democrats wanted sanctions against Saddam to end. They said the sanctions did nothing until inspectors confirmed sanctions had worked.

Gee, I guess when Obama breaks his word and raises taxes, LIberals can blame this on Bush too.

The only way out is a vigorous economy. What the government is doing is not stimulating a real economic surge. But then economic failure of the O-team will also be blamed on Bush.

Obama has to fight both Parties. I hope he can do it....

"Clinton sent his former security czar into the secret archives and he stole information about pre 9/11 memos."

really?

"Archives spokeswoman Susan Cooper said officials there "are confident that there aren't any original documents missing in relation to this case." She said in most cases, Mr. Berger was given photocopies to review, and that in any event officials have accounted for all originals to which he had access.

That included all drafts of a so-called after-action report prepared by the White House and federal agencies in 2000 after the investigation into a foiled bombing plot aimed at the Millennium celebrations."

Posted by: http://openid.aol.com/ktartiste | June 30, 2009 4:58 PM :
"Parenthetically, I predict that MN Guv Potholes Aplenty will announce soon that he won't certify Franken's election until after the SCOTUS ruling.

Posted by: xrepublican | June 30, 2009 4:29 PM"

' Dunno, XRep--one source says Pawlenty and MN Sec. of State Mark Ritchie had both already indicated they would sign the certification "as soon as (the MN Supreme Court) gave it the green light." '
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Ya, ktartiste, you're absolutely right. And, I am happy to be wrong. I don't like norm, 'cuz he doesn't like me. I don't like Al, either, but I am happy that he can finally take his seat.

The local 'news' guys are already speculating that norm will run for guv. I expect that he'll go to DC and be a big $$ lobbyist. After all, he is an attorney, and by all accounts, a pretty dam' good one.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240429
"Bill audience is usually 3 times that number. If you want to use Pensito's demo then most of you should be watching Bill O, as a number of you will never see 59 again."

TIR
I suppose since you Republicans have no real answers to any of are countries problems all you have to cling to is Fox and its right wing nuts...I feel sad for you really...No i haven't seen 50 yet but no way would I ever watch the bully Bill O...I don't watch any MSM news. I get it all from the net....

OK - I am playing the sexism card (ever though I usually steer clear of that subject like some avoid the number 13) - but I think a big part of the phenomena of Palin is cause she is female.

I know that might not sound like breaking news. But think back to when the Republican race just started. Or years before that or until just a couple of weeks before Sarah was selected. Before that - there was only one woman in the race. (And look how much attention and attacks she endured.)

I tell ya one thing. You sure was funny watch all those men - who would "never" vote for a woman as Commander in Chief - turn on their heels! ("well - hey she shoots shit and is xenophobic" etc.)

Anyways, the point i am trying to get at - is that one way to explain the nasty, slanderous coverage by her enemies - or the inspired devotion of her loyalists.

She just had so much attention. For two weeks it was all Palin - all-the-time. (And the GOP actually had a chance...)

That attention in this day and age is a pandora's box.

9/11 was Bin Laden's fault.

MSNBC is somewhere in the ratings, but as you will sadly read, FOX rules the roost!!!

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/

Fox News Channel continued its ratings dominance in the just concluded second quarter. Compared to Q2 '08 FNC is up an astonishing 33% among Total Viewers and up 44% in the A25-54 demo in Total Day (Monday-Sunday). In primetime (Monday-Friday) the numbers are even more impressive: up 35% in Total Viewers and up 54% in younger viewers. FNC is on-track to have the highest rated year in the network's 13 year history.

In primetime, Fox News has more Total Viewers and younger viewers than MSNBC and CNN combined.

Fox News occupies the Top 10 spots on cable news among Total Viewers:

8pm - O'Reilly Factor — 3,188,000
9pm - Hannity — 2,341,000
5pm - Glenn Beck — 2,053,000
10pm - On the Record — 1,950,000
6pm - Special Report — 1,889,000
7pm - Fox Report — 1,757,000
11pm - O'Reilly Factor — 1,579,000
9am - America's Newsroom — 1,399,000
4pm - Your World — 1,389,000
3pm - Studio B — 1,169,000

Fox News is the #3 basic cable network in primetime - behind USA and TNT. CNN is #23 and MSNBC is #25.

fox sux

Tony B,

The Dems dug their own hole and it not only getting deeper, but will be much wider. They'll try to dig themselves out of it by raising taxes, and printing more money. Now the won't call it a tax increase, they call it a increase in services, or a increase in service related fees.

Move over ET, me and my dogs are moving in.

fox sux.

But they are winners still the same, unlike MSNBC, CNN.

TIR

"Total Viewers" doesn't mean a thing in ratings land. There is one thing and one thing only that advertisers want: 18 to 34 and sometimes 25-34 in two three hour periods 6 - 9 AM and 5 - 8 PM

The other major problem facing Nielsen is land lines versus cell phones. They have the same situation as pollsters in politics.

Have fun TiR! Cause the GOP is going down in flames. And the revolution will be (and has been) televised!!

At least FOX will get good ratings as they cry out that the sky is falling because I government now wants to - gasp! - provide people with better access to healthcare, pass a stimulus to keep people working - especially ones in public service like teaches and cops - and pay to get shovel-ready projects moving. What a freaking horrible things for a government to do.

Republicans have the nerve to cry foul over spending money on domestic projects after they spent the last 8 years - blowing up buildings - just to put them back together a few years later. That's real efficient.

(And a lot of their spending wasn't even on the budget. I assume it was on the Bush/Cheney blackcard.)

And sorry if you think I am a p*ssy TiR...

But I would prefer to avoid a nuclear war - than win one.

Perhaps I should say the GOP as you know it.

Tin Reality,

I'm not sure I understand what your point has been for the last several hours in citing Nielsen ratings for Fox. Unless you are an advertiser, the numbers don't mean anything. So what are you saying? More people watch Fox? More people agree with O'Reilly? Well, more people than what -- watch MSNBC? Well, okay, so then what? It's still a very small number. As I said earlier, more people watched HBO's Hung. So what? It means nothing unless you are buying advertising...or are you making another point that is lost?

And if the rich has to pay a little more for that domestic spending - so be it.

I do not share your outrage if someone has to forgoe that 7th car because the govt is taking some of the immense wealth he or she has made from this Country - to reinvest it in this nation's future.

how many democratic senators now? how many of them watch Fox? ha ha ha ha

There are more people that don't watch O'Reilly (or Keith-O, Rachel, Hannity, etc.) - than those that do.

We are in the minority. And I am thankful for that. (They ain't missing anything...)

Jamie,

You are not 18 or 34, so I wouldn't be worry about the 18- 34 y.o. as they aren't watching any news outlets They are spending quality time watching USA, SPIKE, E, MTV, VHF, CHILL, etc., etc. etc. Guess you never watched Jay Walking.

Despite his bombast, TiR has made some valid points, whether one would like to accept them or not. Why he is even bothering making such points is amusing; as I alluded earlier, he may just be looking for a fight.

I'll nibble a li'l bit for ya, TiR: Yes, you are correct, conservative sentiment is neither dead nor dying in this country, it's just that the leadership of that particular affiliation is so horribly inept at this particular moment. Your particular argumentative techniques won't lead anyone into the tent, either.

Excerpt of email from Obama team:

"Many experts believe health care reform was defeated in the early 90's by the infamous "Harry and Louise" ads. They featured actors sitting around a fake kitchen table, pretending to be a family that was frightened by reform.

So just imagine if this time around, the debate is shaped by real people, looking us in the eye, telling their actual story, and asking for our help to fix this broken system.

Phony stories helped defeat health care reform in the past. But this time, real stories could be the reason we win."

If enough Organizing for America supporters say yes and then donate the resources we need to pull it off, we'll start filming and distribution right away. So what do you say?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240468
"The Dems dug their own hole and it not only getting deeper, but will be much wider."
OMG
You are Frydaddy..I respectfully disagree!! Its the Republicans that have dug this deep whole and its the President who's trying anything he can to get get us out of this mess...I know I work with a Republican (Grace) everyday and i know the drill. Slam everything President Obama tries,offer up no real solutions and when all else fails call him a Socialist...

republicans are on the comeback trail already, with mark sanford and sarah palin leading the way................

tonyb35...

So very true.

Oops...

Me bad. Should be tonyb39.

Jamie...

It seems that the new post is now missing. After I left three comments after your Woo Hoo when I hit refresh it showed five, but only four appeared.

I dumped my cache and when I returned it still showed five, however when I tried to go to the comments page it gave a error stating it could not find the page.

When I refreshed the new post was gone. Looks like the Gremlins are at it again.

something is amiss......

Well its time to go watch K.O. online. See you'll soon or maybe not.

Warren,
And sorry if you think I am a p*ssy TiR...
But I would prefer to avoid a nuclear war - than win one.

Unless you can read minds, or point to some place where I wrote that, or even suggested such a thing, I believe you are way off base suggesting such a thing. Actually Warren, and for what it is worth, you are wrong I don't see you that way at all. Not sure how I see you, been reading your various posts for sometime, but I can honestly say I don't see you in that light.

BTW the word is pussy, not p*ssy. Why do people do that? Is it because the writer believes the reader's mind won't interpret the word, they'll somehow not be able to figure out what the missing letter is, or does it give the writer the illusion that what they just wrote is somehow more acceptable? Reminds me of people who use to spell out words they didn't what to say out loud. The mind will record the words/letters correctly. If you think a word is somehow unacceptable, use another word.

As far as nuclear war goes, I too would rather avoid one, but I wasn't aware we were under attack. But you bring up a good point.

Say you had a neighbor who has repeatedly threaten to kill you and your family, and one day you return home to find you family slain. Since I have always been the curious type when it comes to human behavior, tell me what words do you say to yourself that will justify your decision for doing nothing?
This isn't a gotcha question, I'm just curious.

earmuffs!

So exactly how many Red Bulls have you had today, TiR?

TiR - I was just treating you as the prototypical neocon for a bit. So my comment was really not based on anything u wrote - so I apoligize if u took it personal.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/only-disaster-saves-cheney-leg.html#comment-240260

That is good news Flatus. I can rest easier.

tell me what words do you say to yourself . . "

They better cut that shit out ! rfl

is there a pool for how long before mark sanford moves to buenos aires?

I give him 2 weeks.

ye gods and little fishes, what a foolish man......not often you get to see a guy demonstrate so completely just how much a fool someone can be but now he's showing the same about all those nitwits who voted for him.......lol

TiR:

"Say you had a neighbor who has repeatedly threaten to kill you"

Don't you think that is how many in the Middle East feel after 8 years of W?

But to answer your question personally - I would not allow a neighbor "to repeatedly threaten to kill [me] and [my] family"

And if there was one cranky old man who threatened to kill - I would not blow up the whole block to deal with him.

Call me knobitish, but I am SOOOO proud that Keith Olbermann pronounced "Appalachian" right. God knows in the good ol' days at NH I nagged him enough about it. . .

( an editorial insert that gives more clarity to the question)

Say you had a neighbor who has repeatedly threaten to kill you and your family, and one day you return home to find you family slain.
*insert* Then lightening strikes the tree in your front yard and a huge limb falls and hits you in the head*/insert*
Since I have always been the curious type when it comes to human behavior, tell me what words do you say to yourself that will justify your decision for doing nothing?
This isn't a gotcha question, I'm just curious.

I noticed that Craigs latest post disappeared.

I guess that will teach Craig not to f*ck around with the M*Cain people.

BTW
TIR using a * is a traditional way to bypass censorship software.
Craig has obviously been dragged off to a gulag somewhere by using the * maybe I won't meet the same fate. After all it is the M*Cain people how intellegent can their soft ware be.

Jack

"Say you had a neighbor who has repeatedly threaten to kill you and your family, and one day you return home to find you family slain. Since I have always been the curious type when it comes to human behavior, tell me what words do you say to yourself that will justify your decision for doing nothing?"

Well lets see if I can answer your question.

First of all I would not have anything to say because I would do what Bush\Cheney did in regards to Iraq.

I would preemptively strike first killing him because like Bush\Cheney said I could not wait on a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud since he had made numerous death threats against myself and my family.

After all it worked for them so I should have the same right as they had in the interest of saving many American lives.

Those being the life of my family.

Now wasn't that a easy question to answer?

Time to go watch Rachel's show, it up online now.

See you all tomorrow.

A new story from Alex, the 5 yo. He goes to kindergarten this fall and I think he's a little apprehensive about it, but doesn't say a word - typical first child, I think. Anyway, he's ok as he demonstrated yesterday. He's still going to day care school and is tired of it so he asked his mom if he could skip school today. She said yes, but maybe he'd like to just go in the morning because it was going to be pajama day at school. He answered,"If there's one thing in this world
I don't want to do it's go to school in my pajamas."

My new tv is up and running and is beautiful. I paid $100 to have it set up and he might have done it wrong.
I called comcast and found out that no one in the friggin' world knows how to use all the components together. I cannot delete stations - at least not with the comcast remote. I cannot use the sony remote - at least not with the comcast remote. I'm not sure if my dvd or vcr will work now since the installation guy set it up on TV, and the comcast guy says it has to be with html.

Man oh man - at least the weather has cooled off a little.

My telephone seems to not like sharing a phone jack
with my computer. Really.

Good post, Craig.

Excuse my French.....but....

CHENEY'S FULL OF SHIT!

tt

Ms Cracker -
45 people in my mother's garden tonight , founding our Farmers Market wing of our Art Market . It was a pretty strong meeting for our neck of the woods. I shot pictures from the Blue Corn's POV.

Flatus -
Thanks for that request , but I'll squeeze these local grapes from now on.
I haven't worked this vineyard yet.

But the message that people I'll never meet blew the wind in my sails, is a powerful message. Plus the thing is Red and it's 8 feet tall, and it's sitting downtown nearing completion.

There are already 2 camps , you either "get it" or you "don't". Lot's of people seem to "get it".

Wait till they start eating out of it.

maxtrue June 30 @6:17 pm :
"XRepub, the Clinton adminstration had OBL and didn't wack him, Carter created OBL."

1. a. Clinton ordered strikes against bin ladin on at least two occasions, and one of those attacks missed him by only minutes. By comparison, the bushcheneyrumdumb Administration put the effort to destroy alqaeda on the back burner, while they concentrated on Iraq. Your insinuation that President Clinton was in any way culpable is a dam' dirty lie.

b. bin ladin was trained and armed by the reaganbush Admin against the advice of our Northern Alliance allies. Carter trained and armed the Afghans of the Northern Alliance. The allegation of a Carter connection implies that bin ladin & alqaeda were in the Northern Alliance, ie Afghans. In fact, bin ladin is a Saudi who whose family has ancient connections to the bush-connected Saud dynasty. Conversely, before 1981, bin ladin did engineering work for Saudi royals, and was recommended to the bush crime family by them. This info has been in the public domain for a quarter of a century. The Saudi royals screwed America (and Carter) in the '79 oil crisis, and any recommendation from the Saudis to the Carter Administration would have been tossed into the circular file immediately. As a favorite of the Saudi royals, bin ladin was OBVIOUSLY not a pal of Carter, but rather a pal of the Big Oil people who benefit financially from America's oil shortages. At no time was Carter ever a texas oilman. However, several other American pols were famously allied to Big Oil. Guess who.

2. "Some people will stay on their blame game forever. The 2000 election didn't shift administration control to much later than usual."

This claim is total bushit. There is absolutely no evidence that the bushcheney cabal came into control of the government any later than any other Admin. However, there were many bushcheneyrepublican lies that the White House and W.H. equipment had been trashed by the Clintons, and this was supposed to have impeded the bushcheneyrepublican transition. All proven to be lies. Dirty lies.

3. "Bush kept many US security bosses in place and had the intelligence community functioned properly, a problem from the Clinton years, they might have done what XRepub suggests."

Many? No. Clinton appointed george tennet to head the CIA, and discovered too late that tennet was a political opponent who was out to embarrass him. tennet spent most of 2 years working to embarrass President Clinton and decrease Al Gore's chance of becoming Prez. Clinton was not at all shy regarding the horrid mistake he'd made in naming tennet his spy chief.

Of course, babybush kept the incompetent george tennet on, tennet being a known enemy of the popular and successful Clinton/Gore Administration. Too dam' bad that tennet was every bit as partisan and incompetent while he was working for bushchenyrumdumb as he had been while 'working for' President Clinton. As a result, the crappy job tennet did will be forever remembered as crappy republican screwups.

4. "XRepub, the Clinton adminstration had OBL and didn't wack him, Carter created OBL. Some people will stay on their blame game forever. The 2000 election didn't shift administration control to much later than usual. Bush kept many US security bosses in place and had the intelligence community functioned properly, a problem from the Clinton years, they might have done what XRepub suggests."

More bushit. More dirty lies. The intelligence community (NSA, CIA, and military intelligence) repeatedly warned the bushcheneyrumdumb Administration of the bin ladin threat, but the dopes concentrated on planning to fight Iraq instead. You can read about it in Woodward's book. The bushcheneyrumdumb crowd never denied what Woodward wrote about 2000-2001. In fact, they invited him back into the White House to continue his interviewing and writing. Apparently, republicans are too stupid to understand the implications of the bushcheneyrumdumb cabal planning a war against Iraq before baby bush was even sworn in, yet ignoring the warnings about alqaeda until the towers collapsed.

5. "I don't think that bipartisan commission blamed Bush, or even scolded him more than they did Clinton. Clinton has said many times that until 9/11 people just didn't understand the threat."

Of course not. As anyone who paid attention knows, the Rudman/Hart Commission made it's final report on Jan. 31, 2001 (7 1/2 MONTHS BEFORE 9/11 !!!) and that was the end of the commission term. The commission could not have made a statement after after Jan. 31, 2001, because it no longer existed after that time.

A different commission that investigated 9/11 and found that the bushcheneyrumdumb Admin had completely ignored the Rudman/Hart Comission recommendation to harden airliner cockpits to prevent hi-jackings. The report made specific mention of the terrorists crashing passenger planes. The 9/11 commission also noted that the bushcheneyrumdumb Administration ignored the warnings of the intelligence community regarding bin laden, alqaeda, particular alqaeda operatives who had entered the US, terrorists taking flying lessons, etc.

Attempts to put any part of the onus of 9/11 onto President Clinton are republican lies with NO basis in fact. Such attempts are not mere exaggerations, they are great whopping lies.

The import of Bill Clinton's frequent statements about people failing to recognize the alqaeda threat is not about him or his Administration. The import is that the bushcheney Administration refused to take the threat of alqaeda seriously until 9/11/01, too late. The Clinton Administration understood the threat very well, as on their watch alqaeda had destroyed 2 embassies, severely damaged the USS Cole, and tried to blow up the twin towers, all of which killed scores of people. It was the seriousness oif the trhreat that prompted the creation of the Rudman/Hart Commission in the first place. Of course President Clinton understood the threat, for all his little failings, Clinton is no moron.

6. When maxtrue bushits that there were no terrorist attacks on the bushcheneyrepublican watch, it is a patent lie, obvious to the most casual observer of current events. It is not a small, insignificant lie. Rather, it is a lie so preposterous that it illuminates all of maxtrue's attacks on his fictional 'Liberals'. maxtrue's insidious rumors and nasty little insinuations, his blatant rovet&luntz talking points, and such lies as may be seen supra, disinform the credulous as to what happened, what is happening, and what shall happen. This is no benefactor of humanity at work.

Can it be an accident that maxtrue rewrites history to whitewash certain villains and blame the blameless ? I say, no. I say, maxtrue is a republican partisan, intentionally masquerading as a thoughtful and well-informed 'moderate', pretending to provoke interesting political discourse. However, by examining the statements he made above, persons of even modest intelligence should be able to see that maxtrue diseminates disinformation with the single-mindedness and clumsiness of the NKVD .

Just to put a few more gaping holes into maxtrue's defense of bushcheneyrumdumb, a reprise of that much censored report detailing how babybush and company ignored the warnings of his own FAA in the Spring of 2001 : Posted by the brilliant and scholarly Ms Katherine Graham Cracker on June 30, 2009 @ 4:47 PM :
'looks like this all happened on Shrub's watch'

"The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/politics/10terror.html
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People will note that Pres. Clinton can not be blamed for failing to heed these warnings, as he had already left the White House months before this FAA report came out.

halliburton stockholders lost $8 B!LL!ON while cheney ran the company. For making big profits, that he reported to the SEC, he gave himself $40 M!LL!ON in bonuses.

Cheney belongs with madoff.

Believe him at your peril.

Well my ship's been split to splinters
It's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison
Got no future
Got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for those who've sailed with me

Everybody's moving if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Well stick with me baby anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now

Bob Dylan