Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

First in war, first in Peace, and last in the National League.
The Washington Nationals.

Mechanic memories: “These goldurn Fords…why did they have to put that way back THERE!?”

“Buy that Chrysler and just remember those axles will fail you soon”. I did. And I experienced axle failure…two worn out half shafts way before their time.

“Well, we have seen several transmission failures in these Chevy Citations.”
I bought it anyway…new transmission , $900, just before it got cut cut in half by that big truck and I attained “Saved By the Belt” status.

Volkswagen Microbus: ” Make sure you inspect those brake lines once a month…they have a way of getting pinched and cut.”
My brakes went out it all three of my buses over the years! Once I drove 30 miles just to get off a freeway with no brakes whatsoever, on the freeway shoulder…scary …no cell phones, remote location…what a horrible day.
I now look at all used cars and can instinctively calculate how much it would cost to get the car up in running order, because while maybe one in thirty used cars really will “make it to California”, most will require many repairs before they attain that lofty status.

What if it look like the smartest?

I think that is a great Gamble,,,this makes me like Obama,a little more,,,win or loose,,,we will know who is going to occupy the white house,,,,in 2012 and more Sotomayora's to add to the S C. winner take all at a time like this,,will make the R's tremble in their shorts,,and a lot more,,and more congress ,,and senate dems in power?,,and if he wins,,,then maybe we can get H C afterwards,I like the gamble.

I will only quibble a little. You are right about Congressional meddling. Both the US Postal Service and AMTRAK are crippled by unreasonable demands on their products that would never apply to business.

For instance, AMTRAK must route its schedules around and give way to all freight traffic because Congress in its infinite wisdome gave control of the rail lines to the large freight corporations since people wouldn't need trains anymore.

The postal service is required to deliver in some fashion to every little podunk whistle stop in all 50 states for exactly the same price that it delivers to the house next door to the post office.

Now if despite government ownership, GM is allowed to actually be competitive with other auto manufacturers, then all should be well. They have a great line of cars and are about to bring out an actually usable electric car. Put solar panels on your roof and a Chevy Volt in your garage and you will never need another vehicle for in town driving, pay a dime for gas, or an electrical bill.

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Way back when, in the 70's, Mopars had a really strong one piece starter. It would start in any weather, but I had to replace them once a year like clockwork. Mopar used to be known for their transmissions though, I hadn't heard about axle problems.

I think Senate Reps know they can't win on Sotomayor unless something unusual happens. They'll want to make lots of noise though so they can tell their voters they tried, they just need a majority again to make any difference.

I am constantly amazed at the timidity of the Congressional Democratic leadership. Someone says Steny would be a lot more assertive, it would be good to see some of that for a change.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-fumbles-sotomayor.html#comment-232413

Don, You and I can consign all Fords to the trash heap where they. Never had or drove one that wasn't a big pain in the gluteus maximus. I'm absolutely irrational in my total hatred for Ford anything except for the '56 T-Bird in turquoise that I never got to own (and it was soooooooooo cute).

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232421

The Congressional Democrats just can't quite grasp the idea of being in the majority. A little hard nosed humor would be in order. I would love them to greet the next Republican whine with, "You were expecting to be treated better than you treated us? Sit down and shut up while we take out turn at running the world. If you want a favor, try cooperation for a change. "

Yea jamie, on all three points.

I finally gave up on Fords when I had to replace the second set of heads on a 4 cylinder under 40k.

I'd like to see some sneering too. Murtha is good at that.

Ping -
RE "The Left Wing Anger Machine"

You write like what the right has done for the last 30 years, has been good for the country.

The left isn't shooting up churches .

We can all hold our breath waiting for Bill O to express any remorse over the death of the man he regularly referred to as a murderer and Nazi.

Thought for the day :
" Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the school of genius. "

1495 1st written record of Scotch Whiskey appears in Exchequer Rolls
of Scotland. Friar John Cor is the distiller

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232423

ROFL Jamie!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232429

Now There is a holiday worth celebrating.

On the front page of today's NYT is a picture of a 1941 Oldsmobile, with the caption "Sunnier Times."

1941 = Sunnier Times? A bit odd, I'd say.

Tiller Murder Suspect's Ties To Right-Wing Extremism -

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/tiller_murder_suspects_ties_to_right-wing_extremis.php?ref=fpblg

When Roeder was arrested yesterday, he was driving a blue 1993 Ford Taurus. In the rear window of the car was a red rose -- a symbol often used by anti-abortion activists -- and on the back his car was a silver fish symbol with the word "Jesus" inside.

CBob

The suspect believes you can be tracked by government implants in five dollar bills. He is just the sort of nut case who can be set off by loud mouths such as Rush, Newt, Cheney, and O'Reilly. The hatred they spew constantly comes home to roost with these wackos who think they are making the world a better place by eliminating those with whom they disagree.

MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- Alabama's Ten Commandments judge is running for governor again.

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_alabama_governors_race.html

C-Bob: so is Artur Davis, a truly bright light who would be a historic and able governor for Alabama.

excerpt from bigjac's blog:

"Dr. Hern predicted that this kind of thing would happen, as soon as Obama was elected President. The pro-life people, the most radical ones, feel they are losing the war. They feel they need a surge of violence.
"They want the doctors dead, and they invite people to assassinate us. No wonder that this happens."
"I am next on the list."

The only answer I can think of is for all of us on the pro-choice side of this civil war to refuse to resort to violence in response to the pro-life violence.

For example, we in Kansas should repeal the Kansas death penalty, so that we do not kill the killer. So that we stop the cycle of violence." .....

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/1/737456/-Just-Another-George-Tiller-Diary,-From-Wichita,-Kansas

a more cynical person might say obama was investing
in the 2010-2012 elections '' since the uaw votes mostly democratic'' if they didn't they surely will now
but i wouldn't say anything like that

mqw
A more insightful person might say that 'since uaw votes mostly democratic' there would be no need for Obama to take such a huge risk with GM.

The FF Focuser 5-31-09 -

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

DNC just sent me a final notice for my renewal. Since I've never joined, I'm quite surprised.

On the online NYT, there was a Corvair - kinda appropriate, dontchathink? If they had put a Vega (at 30,000 miles mine used a quart of oil every 600 miles)as well, it would have been perfect.

How about a Nova - No - va?

Don, the don't market them under that name in MX - for obvious reasons.

whats risk is there that gm won't succeed'? if the first
50 billion doesn't do it another 50 will be forthcoming
GM now has a 100 percent government backed guarantee of success' there seems to be no limit
to obama's magnanimity ' when it comes to taxpayer money

the nova story in Mexico is a false story according to Snopes.com.

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

good story just not true.

I can't really see where Obama could have gone politically on this one. And there is 2010 and 2012. If the economy is still down , Obama will need the Unions.

This day in history marks the Battle of Quadisiya.

http://books.google.com/books?id=oLyZhTuIczMC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=Battle+of+Qadisiya&source=bl&ots=UUmMMFsrve&sig=KbCmKKni0gfi5SuIh2Xbv1yBzMs&hl=en&ei=ZCAkSoCOCI6gMon0nL0J&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#PPA108,M1

Perhaps someone over at the State department might want to send Ahmadinejad a consolation note, You know, he's not good with historical facts. This event changed history very much.

Some historians have noted the Muslim Arabs used a sand storm to slaughter the retreating Persian army. http://books.google.com/books?id=vSVrNZ7ZRy4C&pg=PA56&lpg=PA56&dq=Battle+of+Qadisiya&source=bl&ots=FSHua-Wo3x&sig=Um8Q19h9kwoEEMyr5ks5hxpbwC0&hl=en&ei=ZCIkSqaWN6SgM8eUjbMJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2

Other researchers say Muslim women and children cared for Muslim wounded on the field of battle but slaughtered the wounded Persians. http://books.google.com/books?id=bfcfOrihAvAC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=Battle+of+Qadisiya&source=bl&ots=_btxTMnGwC&sig=0Ps9wOzeTuAy3OusqJU7kepFJ0o&hl=en&ei=ECMkSvzvCJasMs7h7aYJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8

It has also been claimed however, the Persians sought to deprive the Muslims of their water forgetting their desert skills. This proved to be a critical mistake.

I’m surprised Holywood hasn’t picked up on this……certainly 300 made money.

can't find the timeline on the tests that gm held on their hydogen minivan... anyone know if they're still testing or the results?

"The GM HydrogeGen3 was the first hydrogen fuel cell vehicle certified by the Japanese government for operation on regular roads. Another joint venture GM has for the GM HydroGen3 is with Shell. It's two year program is being conducted in Washington DC giving the Members of Congress the chance to test drive the fuel cell vehicles. The US Postal Service also is using the GM HygroGen3 mini-van to deliver mail in and around the Washington DC area."

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/gm-hydrogen3-minivan.htm

Nancy Reagan about Bushes and Obamas

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/06/nancy-reagan-speaks-out-about-obamas-the-bushes-and-her-husband.html

Caller just now into CNN saying he hoped the Tiller killing didn't give Kansas the reputation Dallas got after the Kennedy shooting. I think he may be too late about the Kansas reputation:

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/0805073396

I know 'I am' , but it seemed appropriate for the moment.

It's still taught in marketing classes though.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232439

mqw,

By that logic, this mean he has locked up the Wall Street vote as well. The Republicans might as well not bother to run at all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232452

HD, ha! Looks like I was sucked in by a good story once again. I coulda sworn that Chevy marketed an econobox here under the Nova badge not too long ago - I thought it was actually a rebranded Tercel, but truthfully I never paid that much attention to little Chevies. Maybe I dreamed that, 'cuz I can't find any reference to it at first Google blush.

Jamie, I'd have to say it's a little early to be making judgments about any reputation Kansas may get from the Tiller killing.

Pogo

I wasn't. I was referring to the book "What's The Matter With Kansas" that I linked to as ironic about it "being a little late".

I think Kansas might want to investigate the claims made by others that the Dr. violated the law with late term abortions. I am not saying this is true or that such acts would justify murdering the him, but from what I am reading about Tiller, there was quite a fuss about his professionalism and history. If I am wrong, my apologizies and condolances to his family.

As a supporter of first and second trimester abortion and late term when the mother's health is in question, I find it odd how Democrats respond. One can at least understand the pro life postion even though one does not agree, They consider it murder as though the fetus before 24 weeks was a person with a soul. I am sure many feel strongly and given the numbers there are likely some nuts that will feel Obama will increase abortion on demand. I am surprised there haven't been more events. But then try to understand a beheading in NY some weeks back and people didn't want to link the murder with Islam in any way. We find ways to empathize with extremists, some who murder and burn women and try not to incite them to more mayhem.

I just think it is a double standard in trying to understand obvious religious conflict with secularism.

Mqw

Thanks for the compliment,,,snark or no I'll take it HA!

But you have this all backwards I think.

"solar
don't get all preachy anti religion as some are pro religion'' at some point you just got to let people believe what they want to'' every body's not as highly
intilectually evolved as you are"

Ist...The True believers won't leave me alone,,,they insist on knocking on my door,until someone answers,,,I have tried to talk to them in a very nice way,,,and try to tell them that Im not interested,,,they are very tenacious,,and keep trying to tell me about God,,and About abortions,,and that I should listen to them,,if I want me soul saved,,,one guys name is Mel,,and the other is John,,,I don't want to know these peoples names but i do,,,

2nd,,,and you can fervently believe whatever you want to believe,,,and since I pay in part the taxes that support the Fn churches here I think, that is another reason that allows me to comment,,,any time that I want,,,If you want to be left alone,,,,get the churches not to accept tax dollars,,,and then make money tax free,,,,I can't do that in my Biz,,,,,and your fervent believe to me is just fervent hope.

3rd,,,and there is a lot more,,but Ill stop after this one,,why can't you and people like O D talk about this without feeling threatened,,,you are .....and tell me why is it people that feel so strongly about this,,,the true teachings of the church,,any,,,Catholic,,,Jewish,,,,Muslim,,,the ten commandments,,,how is it that they can kill a Doctor,,and noone cares about it,,,I havn't seen any priest,,Rabbi,,or that Jerk that comes on msnbc,,and cnn,,,to defend the Molestings of little children,,,the pope should be the first to spend time in jail,,,that Fn hypocrite,,,so NO,,,I won't stop,,,even if I get water boarded,,shedding lite on false hopes,,,and believes,,would be worth it.

Patd,,,,sorry I had to answer that,,,one,,,but I understand,,that we have had enough of this ,,for a while,anyway,if any more,,,will wait until after office hours.Going to leave U eating dust tho,,,

Max,,,,,you just lost me,,,,,what bullshit,,,if your right F em,,,if your wrong,,,your apologies to the family,,,,get out of my Indy part,,and get your but over where it belongs,,,not the far right,,,only t hey could have said something like that.,,,a family just lost a father,,,,,it doesn't matter what his politics was about,,,if from the right or the left,,someone just lost his life,,,doesn't anything bother the religious snobs...and dont bother to answer,,I won;t be reading your post anymore.,,,,If you are wrong you are sorry,wtf!!!

solar
your preaching to the choir''so to speak
i'm a devout atheist

Pat,,,I meant in the race,,should have said it perhaps,,,

The Dr. was investigated by a grand jury and was acquitted. In Kansas a grand jury can be convened by a citizen petition.

I don't know anyone that enjoys an abortion. I think the question is how to prevent them. While outlawing all abortions seems tempting to hardliners, President Clinton's kinder, gentler approach actually created the largest reduction in abortions.

Since most religions are against violent death, any extremist action that results in murder would be outside of teaching. In those cases, they're just crazy, obsessed people which you can find anywhere.

Mqw,,,,,that doesn't change anything I said,,,,and I just told Pat,,,that enough is enough for now,,,or else :-)

Sorry, Jamie, I wasn't clear - I didn't mean that YOU were saying that. I think it's a wee bit early for the caller to be hoping that Kansas doesn't get a Texas rep - although I wasn't aware that Texas got any rep other than as the state in which Kennedy was shot. But I don't think he has much to worry about - Tiller is hardly the figure Kennedy was. I am getting a kick out of the anti-abortion folks running sas hard and fast as they can from this issue - condemning the killing and all. I wish I thought they were sincere in their condemnations, but I don't believe that for a second. And yes, it's too late for Kansas.

The Chrysler deal creates a "New Chrysler" but critics include debtholders and nearly 800 dealers who were abruptly terminated by Chrysler.

Even Lee Iacocca, the cigar-chomping high-roller credited with saving Chrysler from oblivion in the 1980s, is getting the bum's rush. If the company's bankruptcy plan is approved, Iacocca will lose a big chunk of his pension and a life-long company car. Iacocca and other former executives are being asked to return their company-issued cars or pay for them.

Read more: "GM Files for Bankruptcy; Chrysler Gets Court Approval" - http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/05/gm_bankruptcy03.html#ixzz0HDC7NSPG&A

they ought to be asking him for help not seizing his company car

same thing i said '''your not going to change anyone's
mind even if you go on and on and on and on about it

Patsi!

Your book arrived! Have just had the opportunity to leaf through it; I like! And, I like the end notes keyed to the chapters.

I'm looking forward to reading it!

Don,,,t hanks,,,,intellectually,,,I know that you are right,,,but emotionally is another thing,,,,I happen to think that he was inspirational,,,,and one example of people that I admire, along with people t hat I personally know,,that is in part my answer to you about last nights post,,,,,but he was not a hero,,cos he did abortions,,,he was admired by many in America,,cos he did it under the threat of death,,on a daily,,,basis,,,and so was his family,,,that is courage,to me,,and some one to be inspired by,,,,,and by the way,,,,this kinda rare for me ,,,but even tho,,,I have just met you,,you do inspire me ,,,looks like we are going to disagree on somethings,,,but,,so do I and my best of friends,,,that I have had for over 35 years,,,,we get passionate,,,and they won't give me too much red meat either,,,but it is always respectful,,,and always fun.

Pogp
" I am getting a kick out of the anti-abortion folks running sas hard and fast as they can from this issue - condemning the killing and all. I wish I thought they were sincere in their condemnations, but I don't believe that for a second."

They're not all running...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/01/AR2009060102058.html?hpid=topnews

Fired the CEO of GM.
Forced GM into Bankruptcy.
Never ever operated a company for profit.

So it make total sense that they government would become the largest shareholder of GM. The Fed gave GM roughly $80 billion, but we forget GM was carrying loses of $80 billion, which they are still carrying.

How many jobs at GM, and jobs that supported GM have just been lost? Interest rate are edging upwards.

Welcome back to the Carter era.

I should have included the header..

Pro-Life Activist Says Doctor 'Reaped What He Sowed'

It seems that workers in the 1700s also goofed off before the weekend

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8073616.stm

TIR

Do you ever allow facts to interfere with your opinions?

GOP pols believe in outsourcing -- the dirty work

Republicans may be struggling in the dunk tank since the last national elections, holding onto each other for warmth and flotation in the Senate and House and fractiously searching for a new overarching identity to avoid being the outlying party for the next several decades.

But, don't be fooled by the Perils of Pauline act. The GOP is keeping its cutting cultural edge over the Dems.

The latest piece of functional brilliance: let the conservative "entertainers" do the wet work, the dirty parts of the job, while the pols take the high road and hang onto their seats. First come the populist bombers, then the statesmen behind them sweeping up the debris and tut-tutting for the cameras. You can have it both ways.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/detail?entry_id=40936&tsp=1

oy vey although I doubt they are that organizes

Mqw

You can believe this or not,,,I have changed a lot of minds,,about it,,,minds that are open,,,and only after they wanted to talk about it,,,even when I take my workers to pizza and beer ,,they want to know ,,what else have I learned,,recorded,,,and what is starting to happen,,,is that a lot of these science,,and history story's are in Spanish now,,,and there is where it will take off in leaps and bounds,,,same thing in the poor blk hoods,,,they are more aware....watch out for that big log in your way,,right in front of you,,,Oh you just missed it,,,a miracle..

Mapping Terror. Mathew Yglesias article in The Atlantic

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/mapping_terror.php

whelp, gotta run - toodles.

Hi Solar,
I think fighting and learning you're still friends afterwards makes for better friendships. Agreeing to disagree is often the best result you can come to.

Unfortunately, in this case you've made one third person reference to many. Huh?

"I happen to think that he was inspirational," Do you mean the abortion Dr.?

I don't think he was hero of villain, just a player. By the time people get to him its too late.

I'd like to see free birth control for teens without the embarrassment there is now, better care and support for unwed mothers, opening adoptions to gays, and better family involvement in a teen's life. I'd also like to see peace break out in the middle east and faster than light space drives.

Solar you can read what you want to. Or read what I wrote and not what you imagine. While I will always feel badly for the family of all who have been unjustly murdered, I would not feel the same for a victim if they were indeed a murderer themselves as opposed to a law abiding person. Some pundits have suggested there was a history suspect of late term abortions beyond saving the health of the mother. My apology was not to the familiy, but for people here if that allegation is baseless which I do not know. And I hardly made the accusation from my vantage point.

Notice I did not say I knew anything about the history of Tiller other than remarks recently on the network. Man have claim Tiller repeatedly violated the law though I have NO EVIDENCE of that.

My point wasn't even about Tiller BUT THE REACTION. Some want Churches investigated and characterize a whole group of people. Not the same reaction I note repeatedly regarding "religious" acts by other religions agry at our secular laws.

How you manage to malign me is quite amusing. I listened to various media on the story and noted the different attitude when discussing pundits were talking about a murder suspect in the Tiller case or detainees at Gitmo. One is peppered with religious inuendo, the other scrubbed rather clean.

Maybe now you get it.

And it also appears that the WH wants Sotomayor to restate her comment about race. I always suggested that so her passage would be broad. I suspect she will clarifiy, which is what she should have done from the start. The big news this week however might revolve around Thursday's speech.

solar
with the high water this trip there is lots of drift' usually
doesn't bother us much ' occasionally get a large tree
in the wheels have to back up and come ahead to shake it out'' the bridges @memphis'greenville
vicksburg and baton rouge are the main concern
during high water stages ' going southbound with
swift current and a lot of tonnage you get one chance only' there is no stopping ''' if i make a mistake it would
be a minimum 2 or 3 million dollar accident' not mention putting the crew in peril''

Yes I meant the doctor,,,,and not just another player,,what was special,,is that he was hurt by these people before,,and did not waver,,,I don't like to put sports people on pedestals,,,and yet they are by some,,I would rater have sat and had a conversation with him,,than M. Jordan,,,but thats just me,,,,about the rest,,,ditto,,,and about the faster than light space drives,,,Im working on it,,,give me time,,,,and I will bend it a little,,and get there......Hey this missing plane,,,,a black hole??? no may day nada,,,hope they find some huge mistake and they are alive.

Joe, you are quite wrong to think that most conservatives are lying about their disgust at the murder of Tiller. You know, SOCONs are not the Repubs largest group. Maybe the SOCONS on the far right engage in characterizations that are wrong. It makes no sense however to mirror what is wrong with that approach.

You are right some do gloat, but this episode only makes the pro-lifers look like a bunch of nutjobs. And yet, just weeks ago NY papers were discounting any connection between religion and planned stinger attacks and a beheading of a wife.

yeah, I hear the Republicans once actually had libertarians Max. Until Lindsey Graham through them out.

Solar, I don't follow this stuff as much as you. Actually my habit is more about evolution debates. If Tiller is actually a hero then I am sorry I conveyed a different take.

Again, I think you confused myy message. I suggested the "facts" about Tiller aren't clear to many. Was he a hero or an abuser of late term laws. I have no idea. I think media should clear this up. My message however, was observing how quickly religion is condemned by media in regard to abortionist murder, but often scrubbed clean from terror characterizations.

The very same people decrying investigations by Justice of Mosques, advocating investigations of the "church" which they feel is behind this murder, more than the "clerics" here and abroad are responsible for terrorist acts.

That was really my point and not to state that Tiller was or wasn't a hero, etc. I condemn the murder, support the general bar of Roe and am suspect of all relgious literalism.

And Solar, I know what would be distasteful here and it would be quite foolish to alienate people I am trying to discourse with. In the future, if something looks like I've completely gone mad, then perhaps I have simply failed to communicate my intent correctly.

Joe, I can direct you to numerous centrist blogs were moderates of both feathers discuss things. Only the SOCON wing would privately gloat. Yes, things have not been great for my anologues on the Right, but there are more than libertarians on the other side who sport a number of liberal values.

And murdering a doctor is not a conservative principle I have read about. It seems Tiller drew such fire because he preformed thousands of late term abortions. Since he wasn't arrested I am confused about this claim. Was there simply a loop hole in Kanas. Being a Red State, how could this be? Maybe the HealthCare Czar should comment on what happened under her watch. THis was actually the opening line of the post Solar didn't like.

If there was such a myth about Tiller, why didn't it make news before Tiller's death? Why was he so controversial? I have heard that more than twenty State ban certain late second trimester abortions. How can that be with Roe? Was Kanas one of those States?

I assume some here know these issues and can comment.

Don, you're funny. Now Lindsay wishes they stayed in greater number...LOL. Don't take those affilation polls too seriously. No one likes to be on the down side.

I remember pundits writing the Democratic OBIT in 2002. Remember? They were talking about the end of the Democratic Party. I would say now what I said then. It all goes round and round. I knew the Democrats would come back and I know the Republicans will have their day again. Well, not based on their present internal debate, but then the Democrats were very helpless for years.........

Glad you liked the way I did the notes Flatus -- I really hate footnotes all through a book...and some have started this new way of handling them....I followed along!

Fair enough Max,,,,,,but if it was some goof ball atheist,,,that killed some Priest,,,I would feel the same way,,,someone just lost a loved one,,,,,,this plane thing today,,,made me think about,,the wife of that Lawyer,,,,,Olsen,, Susan i think was her name,she was a republican top spinng machine,,and I wanted to throw a book or something at the tv screen,every time that she was on it,,,,

She was on a plane that went down,,remember?,,,
When I talked to one of my clients,that ,called, and said that he was glad she was on that plane,,,I said wtf,,,and hung up on him,,,,,some one just lost a Mother,,I still don't like that Olson,Atty that,,helped take the election from Gore,,,,but do I want him harmed,no.

and then you go on to say this,, this in your last post,,,

"The very same people decrying investigations by Justice of Mosques, advocating investigations of the "church" which they feel is behind this murder, more than the "clerics" here and abroad are responsible for terrorist acts."

This is so argumentative to me,at this ,point,and makes me wonder why would you throw this in there at this time,,,I think that if you want to talk to someone about this,,and have a discussion,,,go ahead,,but at its proper time no?,,at least on some subject related to it,,,what the fuck does this have to do with the family aspect that I was talking to,,,I will suggest one thing,,,,,slow down some,,,,,but thanks for the explanation,,,

pogo:

"I'd have to say it's a little early to be making judgments" - then what the heck are we doing hanging around here for?!

Just kidding - and I would tend to agree with you - if the judgments made within the first 48 hours didn't have so much sticking power...

Every once in a while even I get charmed by Chris Matthews. Today talking about the Republican kvetching over the President taking his wife to New York he said that the one thing that disturbed him most about George Bush was that he didn't seem to have any curiosity outside his own comfortable space, while the Obamas seem to be interested in everything. Then to paraphrase he said about the Republicans, "What a piss ant , whiney little party they have become. I like having a President with interests!"

From now on when I say Republican, you can be sure I am thinking "The Piss Ant Whiners"

No...this was the paragraph that Solar did not like,,

"I think Kansas might want to investigate the claims made by others that the Dr. violated the law with late term abortions. I am not saying this is true or that such acts would justify murdering the him, but from what I am reading about Tiller, there was quite a fuss about his professionalism and history. If I am wrong, my apologizies and condolances to his family."

And my point was why would you care if it was true or not,,,,someone just lost a husband,,father brother,,,that is why got hot about it,,but I can get angry fast,,,and just as fast calm down,,,l had lots of practice,,,so lets just forget it. thats my last word on this..

Just because people don't identify as Republican it doesn't make them Democrats. I know some Orange County conservatives that complained all the way through the Bush years.
Democrats are really good at shooting themselves in the foot, so I won't be surprised when Republicans. I don't think Republicans will come back on a social conservative platform though. People don't want to be told how to live, on the left or the right.

Solar, are you following the rise of Dr. Rand Paul and his run for the Senate against Bunning? If the name sounds familiar, he's the son of Dr. Ron Paul.

Be sure to carefully read the label on any chicken you purchase. It's not a bargain if it's been injected with salt and water to add weight.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8599-SF-Healthy-Food-Examiner~y2009m6d1-Is-it-chicken-or-is-it-enhanced-chicken

Two+ years ago members of congress were going to take care of this and yet nothing has happened. Thak goodness other chicken producers are hiring lobbyists to stand up for consumer interests :)))))).

Don

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232522

Yes,,but not the latest,what have you heard?,,would like him to win this time around,,,he has the same views his Pa does,,,and would love it if he ran for potus,,,at some time later on,,,maybe he will be taken seriously?,,and hope he keeps clean,,,like R P.

"In the future, if something looks like I've completely gone mad, then perhaps I have simply failed to communicate my intent correctly."

Or perhaps you've simply gone mad. We'll be the judge of that.

Just kidding max. I like to stay away from this debate. I am anti-death penalty and pro-choice with aspirations that we can become a more pro-life culture.

Kinda related to all the spirtuality that has been in the air recently, there is one thing I believe in for sure. . . .and that is Life! It is the one thing I know we are given and it is the greatest gift from someone or another.

So I like to have respect for all life. Including law abiding citizens, murders, doctors, animals. etc.

I don't think any human is qualified to make the judgment that someone else should die before their time - except in the case of self-defense.

"If there was such a myth about Tiller, why didn't it make news before . . . "

Because it was probably confined to fringe groups that have even less respect for the truth than Hannity.

Plus, tou can make some outrageous accusations based on innuendo - and you often don't have to even say anything that can be belied by the actual facts. And usually the less facts - you have the further you can go. All it takes is a few well-placed words.

Heck, all people take away from a report like that is the incendiary charge that this baby killer pushes the limits to kill as many babies as he can. Especially when most people watching the report are looking for precisely that message.

I love this. Humor up guys, even if it might just be urban legend.

A little known fact....

The first testicular guard "Cup" was used in Hockey in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974.

It took 100 years for men to realize that the brain is also important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV18vVAbyIg

Johnny Bond

Good one Bethy. Are we sure we really know where their brains are? Jus kiddin boys.

Since Cheney supports gay marriage because his daughter's a lesbian, do you think he would still support torture if he had a daughter in Gitmo? Just a ponder.

Dang, I saw that Jack missed me this morning. My heart skipped a few beats. I had to sleep a little longer cuz I found out my thyroid was low. And I thought I was feeling quite peppie until I found out I shouldn't have been.

Bethy..... LOL!

actually..... Ted Green.... who played for the Boston Bruins.... was bashed directly on the head with a stick by Wayne Maki, who played for the St Louis Blues, in 1969.... Green suffered a fractured skull and brain damage...
and that incident eventually led to the development of hockey helmets....

but as an avid sport's fan.... I gotta tell you.... there's a good reason why athletes are known as stupid jocks.... :0)

Does anyone know, does KS have party registration for primary elections ?

Carol - are we sure that Cheney dupports gay marriage? I thought he'd gone on record as granting them nothing. I heard, also, that every father's day, his daughter sends him a copy of Melissa Etheridge's new album - a joke but a funny idea.

I suspect Dr Tiller had very strong views concerning late-term abortion and lived according to them. He certainly wouldn't need to do them for money. I admire himfor doing so in a place like small town Kansas

My brother-in-law drove from CA to St Louis back in the late fifties/early sixties to start med school at Washington U. A friend accompanied him. The stopped at a motel but were denied a room because his friend was Japanese. The mid-west doesn't change fast.

I still love it, tho.

Carol - I don't want to start this up again, and don't want to hurt OD cuz I really like him, but one quick thought. I think what you did was show respect for the church's beliefs - you believed in it for that once and had no other reason for doing so. You recognized its worth. Showing disrespect is going to church and taking communion regularly and going out and
running gangland crime syndicates. The mafia went to their churches.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-fumbles-sotomayor.html#comment-232412

"There are a lot of GM retirees out there who will be glad for those stock holdings that will now fund their pensions."

Jamie
Yes and you can count me as one of them!! I worked for GM for 24 years since I was 18 and I've been feeling damn sad today!! My hometown of Flint,Michigan is a sad dismal place..
Thank you for this comment! Coming from someone who does her homework and checks facts before she speaks(writes) I feel a whole lot better...I also appreciate your loyalty to GM cars.All I ever much here is a general put down of anything built by a domestic auto company,thank you,thank you...Your a real Gem.....

From the 2012 Iowa Republican Presidential campaign bus...

IowaPolitics.com's Lynn Campbell reports today that Nevada Senator John Ensign denies he is running for President in 2012.

"I'm not running for president," said Ensign, who's chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. "What I'm doing is raising my profile. I believe we need new voices and fresh voices in the Republican Party who can articulate a message of our core Republican principles."

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=160357

when oldsmobiles were merry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwmGw_ZVMhU

Bethy,

This is where I got that Cheney supports gay marriage thing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/01/cheney-offers-his-support_n_209869.html

beach people sing about four hundred nine cubic inches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs2lL625Yy8

Cheney goes for the federalist approach on this one and wants to let the states sides. That way he can be for gay marriage while also being against it.

Unless it is federal - there will be skirmishs all over the place for at least the next decade.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232536

Bethy,

Are you sure they weren't protecting their brains all along and then decided to include their heads?

I heard an interview with Dr. Rand Paul. He's a bit more charming. I like him personally, I haven't read his platform yet.

I still think the Republicans need to get behind a fiscally conservative libertarian. They're never going to get the independents with a social conservative, which is the way they're leaning now because of their heavy dependence on the south.

Are you sure they weren't protecting their brains all along and then decided to include their heads?

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | June 1, 2009 8:09 PM

You made me snort lemonade all over my keyboard...sticky!

Doesn't look as if the Minn Supremes were too impressed with the Coleman attorneys

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23197.html

bye bye miss America pie,
Drove my chevy to the levy
But the levy was dry
And some good ole boys were drinking whiskey aned rye
Singing this will be the day that I die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U

Bruce Springsteen-Born In The U.S.A.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk

Another car done gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MS9fk1u6kA

Duhhhh,,,,helmets,,,,Bethy,,,funny,,,a littttttle pay back for blondie jokes?,,,,I thought that you did not get jokes,,,im glad that you don't get them all,,us guy's would have to hide,,,good one.

Dr. Paul has been married to his loving wife, Kelley, for 18 years and has three boys. Rand Paul is a career doctor, not a politician. His entrance into politics is indicative of his life’s work: a desire to diagnose problems, and provide practical solutions.
Read More

http://www.randpaul2010.com/

I like him a lot,,,but it will have to be grass roots,,,?

More nepotism? Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son - here is a CNN interview with him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRS-bhMUQos

Kansas primaries: "The Democrats allow folks to change registration and vote on the spot.
Republicans insist you be pre registered to vote."

What, if any, was Scott Roeder's political registration ?

How churlish of me. I'm sorry, Patsi. Thanks for the reply.

The rise of a good and decent libertarian Jamie. About time.

I'd really like to get government out of my life for a change. While I like Obama, so far I'm not all that impressed by a Democratic Congress. i hate whining.

Solar..I would appreciate it if you would not misrepresent the intent of my postings.

I have decided to take the month of June away from this blog.

I don't post very often and really don't get much out of having my words mischaracterized and my intentions distorted.

I think it would be a good idea if more of you would think for a few seconds before you post.

Enjoy the start of summer OD. June is a good month to take off. We'll be here if you change your mind.

pogo

Did you see this Krugman cartoon patd posted...

http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?sitetype=1&sid=129587&did=4

It is pretty funny and sums up my thoughts perfectly.

OD

What ever you say,,,,im going to come out looking like the bad guy here,,,,you still don't think that Carol had the right to make herself at peace do you. What is important is to defend the church........Defend this,,,and I'll take the 3 weeks off that you wanted Patsi to take,,,get in on all of the discussions,,,not just the churches ,

This is world wide,,,and here in Il ,,,there were many,,,many priest that got away with it,,,and all I have heard,,,is not all of them are bad...get the shits,,,that did these crimes,

Irish priests beat, raped children: report

DUBLIN, May 20, 2009 (Reuters) — Priests beat and raped children during decades of abuse in Catholic-run institutions in Ireland, an official report said on Wednesday, but it stopped short of naming the perpetrators.
A crow flies past the Papal Cross in Phoenix Park, in Dublin, Ireland May 20, 2009. REUTERS/Cathal McNaughton
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Orphanages and industrial schools in 20th century Ireland were places of fear, neglect and endemic sexual abuse, the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse said in a harrowing five-volume report that took nine years to compile.

The Commission, chaired by a High Court judge, blasted successive generations of priests, nuns and Christian Brothers -- a Catholic religious order -- for beating, starving and, in some cases raping, children in Ireland's now defunct network of industrial and reformatory schools from the 1930s onwards.

"When confronted with evidence of sexual abuse, the response of the religious authorities was to transfer the offender to another location where, in many instances, he was free to abuse again," the report said.

"Children lived with the daily terror of not knowing where the next beating was coming from."

The report slammed the Department of Education for its failure to stop the crimes. In rare cases when it was informed of sexual abuse, "it colluded in the silence," the report said.

Successful legal action by the Christian Brothers, the largest provider of residential care for boys in the country, led the Commission to drop its original intention to name the people against whom the allegations were made.

No abusers will be prosecuted as a result of the inquiry.

John Kelly, coordinator of the Survivors of Child Abuse (SOCA) group, said there could be no closure without accountability.

"I have been getting phone calls all day from former residents, they feel their wounds have been reopened for nothing," he told Reuters. "They were promised justice by the Taoiseach (Prime Minister) in 1999 and they feel cheated. They expected that the abusers would face prosecution."

UNDERWEAR INSPECTIONS

The Christian Brothers said they were appalled at the revelations but denied that their lawsuit had obstructed the report. "We are deeply sorry, deeply regretful for what has been put before us today," Brother Edmund Garvey said.

Many of the children were sent into church care because of school truancy, petty crime or because they were unmarried mothers or their offspring. Some were used as laborers, churning out rosary beads or set to work on farms.

Sexual abuse was endemic in boys' institutions and girls were preyed on by sexual predators who were able to operate unhindered.

The Commission interviewed 1,090 men and women who were housed in 216 institutions including children's homes, hospitals and schools. They told of scavenging for food from waste bins and animal feed, of floggings, scaldings and being held under water. There were underwear inspections and in one case, a boy was forced to lick excrement from a priest's shoe.

Absconders were flogged and some had their heads shaved.

Tom Sweeney, who spent five years at industrial schools including two years at the notorious Artane Industrial School, said it still haunted its former residents.

"Unfortunately there are a lot of people that have committed suicide, there are a lot of people that have ended up in hospitals and they have been forgotten about," he said.

Revelations of abuse, including a string of scandals involving priests molesting young boys, have eroded the Catholic Church's moral authority in Ireland, once one of the most religiously devout countries in the world.

The inquiry, conducted at a reported cost of 70 million euros ($95.16 million), was announced in 1999 by then Prime Minister Bertie Ahern after he apologized to victims following revelations made in a series of television documentaries.

The government has paid out around 825 million euros in compensation to former residents of the institutions and the final bill is likely to top 1 billion euros.

Since 1930,,,my heart goes out to the hundred of thousand of abuse kids,

Don1one is still trying to figure out why he ordered 12 new heuchera and now that the gardens are fully planted Springhill decides to ship them.

So just like last year when a terrorist christian American Taliban man walked into a church and opened fire on men, women and children another christian taliban terrorist killed another man in a church on Sunday.

These so called Christian Terrorist Groups are indeed just like the Taliban since they want to impose their religious doctrine on everyone and will go as far as bombing and murdering anyone who does not believe in the doctrine they teach.

Yes, we have are own Terrorists right here in America and they call themselves Christians. When are we going to go after our Taliban here at home as vigorously as we are going after them in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

Hopefully very soon.

AP - I won't argue with you on this.

Carol

Don't you go feeling bad about anything at all,,,all you are doing,,is sharing your life's experiences with us,,,just like we are with you,,,it took a while for you to get you out of your hide out,,and when you did come out,,,you have made a lot of people here happy,,,so please remember what I said in that e mail,,,and stay as happy as you have been,,and u have made me proud to be your friend, I will be in touch,,L & L

"I'd really like to get government out of my life for a change"

All of it?
If not what part do you find really onerous?

Jack

Tony, I think maybe this is your song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDU8Gku7q-w

If I brought all that back up, I offer my humblest apologies. I just wanted to offer Carol another point of view, one that might help her see a more human aspect of this.

I decided that I need to afix some kind of alert on everything I own, in case I mis-place it. I used my address book, and several minutes later, poog - it was gone. I I could have just pushed a locator button, it would have saved me so much time!

Maybelline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAfxiyMKAk

Damn, Rand Paul is as cool as his dad. Is Ron Paul a cartography enthusiast?

Bethy

Do as I do with reading glasses, buy enough so that no matter where the nearest flat file(aka, table, floor , ect) will have one . I also do this with tape measures at work and pencils too.

Jack

The Dark Lord has 16 utility knives and will be goddamned if he can find one of them.

Morning comes early, you have my contributions for the night.
Night everybody.

Jack

Your lordship,
You obviously haven't bought enough yet. You need to buy a couple more.

Jack

You can bank on it!

Bethy

Not your fault,,,you were being supportive,,of another poster,,that should have had some compassion from O D,,,he chose not too,,,and there is no one to blame but him,,,and still even now he does not see it in Carols point of view,,,there are,,is a large % of people that receive communion,,,,when they should not have,,,every Sunday,,What was in her heart is the important thing,, the ritual is not what his god is looking for,but what people have in their hearts,,and od can't see that,,

Jack - you're right except for the fact that my address book is unique - it has info in it that is invaluable. I think I've had it for over ten years, and it has become a diary of sorts.

It's scary just how necessary that book is, but even more irreplaceable was my grade book when I was teaching. It is unimaginable how much grief I'd have had if I had lost it.

I got my new camera today and we plaed with it for awhile, taking pix and checking them out. But I let my sister take it home with it so my bil could play with it. Should have corn pix soon.

Solar - dogma is insidious.

For Carol,

Don't let anyone make you feel guilty about taking Communion
as I doubt that Jesus would condemn you for it.

It's like Solar Crete said above its what's in your heart that matters and nothing else.

Too many people turn a blind eye when it comes to evil being committed by the Church, any Church or religion for that matter.

Take solace in the knowledge that Jesus would be the last person to find anything you did in regards to taking Communion a sin or act of evil by you.

Have a good day.

Hey, ya gotta pay your dues to get that wafer, including countless hours of catechism, years of boring sermons, and a lot of awkward humming of hymns. But seriously, it's not a big deal... if you weren't baptized in the Church and didn't confess your sins beforehand, you didn't consume the Body of Christ, you just ate a piece of styrofoam.

You wouldn't wear shoes in a mosque, though, would you?

No, but only because I'd be caught and stoned to death.

The problem is the same - rules which are more important than the message.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232584

Carol -- Just what the Solar-Man said, i.e., "...you have made a lot of people here happy..."

(^_~)

Come gather around, don't be shy! Say, wanna be just like the astronauts?
Then buy one of these from the Night Watchman's Bag of Tricks and Inventions...even if I only found it online!
WARNING WARNING : GROSS-OUT MAXIMUS

http://tinyurl.com/kwt6nu

sometimes Tiny Url doesn't work.
Try this link:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/05/pee-to-water-converter-is-neat-and-kinda-gross.php

To all that have helped me here, we are about to go at it with hammer and thongs . You folks have made a difference, you will all reap the benefits of what you sowed . Trust me on this one, one way or another, we'll square this hand.

So if I don't appear as much , remember I have the bit in my teeth, and I'm spending every hour for the next few weeks pulling the load. Uploading the start today right now.

June 1st - We Begin

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

Thongs , tongs it's all the same.

glad to see that the Utility Knife Gremlin.....(UFG).......also visits other climes.......

I keep my hammer and tongs in my thong.......that way i always know where they are if i want to go at something.....

but then, I always have a thong in my heart........

it's uthually muthtang thally......

ha ha, rats.......ufg......UKG, dammit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcuM14TUDSw&feature=related

the 1958 chrome-laden sherman tank of the highways......

one of the best land-yachts they ever made......472 cc. gas hog supreme, but lordy how it would pull a travel trailer around the rockies......

http://www.carcollectorclassifieds.com/ccselect/uploads/internetpics/Gol0409122541-1-001.jpg

artist sketches penn station on his i-phone.......

http://www.newyorker.com/video?videoID=24059201001

cheney and burr: from Daily Beast

But perhaps the greatest similarity in these two vice presidents, Burr and Cheney, is summed up by what Alexander Hamilton described about Burr's actions when Hamilton was at the operational head of the American army during the heightened period of tension with France.

"General, you are now at the head of the army," Burr told Hamilton. "You are a man of the first talents and of vast influence. Our constitution is a miserable paper machine. You have it in your power to demolish it and give us a proper one and you owe it to your friends and the country to do it." Hamilton replied: "Why Col[onel] Burr, in the first place, the little army I command is totally inadequate to the object you mention. And in the second place, if the army were adequate, I am too much troubled with the thing called morality to make the attempt." Burr then said: "General, all things are moral to great souls."

That last sums up Cheney's view perfectly.

ahhh.......time marches on and on......demolition of the royal hotel in moose jaw......2008

http://www.mjtimes.sk.ca/index.cfm?main=broadcast&bcid=10104

You know this is the exact reason I changed my mind about joining that Church. I thought do I really want to be a member of a club that makes these crazy rules and is the exact opposite of why I wanted to be a member of the club in the first place? Now did anyone but me understand that sentence? I think I got lost in it myself.

And after dropping out of the classes I never did go for the communion again in that Church except through creative visualization. I think that was cool with Jesus. And I did sing. Really loud. Almost solo since a lot of the people there didn't sing much. Methodist's are more used to singing.

And I'm sure the pain I felt from the pressure on my sensitive knee caps did serve some purpure. I was paying for any sins I may have mistakenly committed even though I do try to live by the Golden Rule and if the do unto others idea doesn't stop me then I use the rule of Karma, what goes around, comes around. Those two rules usually keep me behaving.

And I see that getting to be a member of this blog is just another thank you from Above. Thank you for trying Carol.

And maybe I can't prove it but if there is anyone out there doubting or wondering, there is a God. I'm sure of it! I haven't exactly figured out why all the pain in this world yet though. I'm still working on that one.

And please don't be mad at OD. He had a tough role to play in all of this. It was his comment that got us all thinking. Sometimes people make that kind of sacrifice and we should thank them instead of being angry with them.

Being harshly judgmental is a role?
OD was not only rude to you, but to everyone on this blog that he was thinking of when she told us to get a life. He was rude when he told Patsi to take a few weeks off the blog.

Keeping watch over us? Making sure we're kept in line?
What exactly 'is' he doing? Constantly judging us and making sure we live up to 'his' standards', that's what he's doing.

"I used my address book, and several minutes later, poog - it was gone."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/obamas-highstakes-auto-gamble.html#comment-232587

LOL Bethy.... I'm the same way. Don't you just hate it when that happens. You've got a good idea there, and I've actually thought the same thing, at least for the important things. They have those alerts, where you clap and it beeps. I also use Jacks idea, and buy huge numbers of things, so if I lose one, I can find another.

(...not fool proof though. Like Dark Lord with his utility knives, I can have 16 pairs of reading glasses, and have trouble finding one)

"Being harshly judgmental is a role?"

Well yes it is Chloe. We all learn from those who are judgemental at times. We learn what is feels like to be the victim of judgement. It makes us stop and think about it. When we judge the judgemental we are being judgemental. Eh?

There is a role for the hobo laying drunk on the street and everyone else in this world. They all have something to teach us.

Have you ever found even yourself playing a part displaying characteristics that you don't even recognize in yourself? You wonder who jumped inside of you. I have.