Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

The clerics and the basij are looking a lot like the Shah and the Savak.

The US has grown tired and apathetic. I mourn the loss of life in Iran, but it's wonderful seeing people stand up for what's right.

We just need to remember that it's what's right for them, not necessarily us.

"We just need to remember that it's what's right for them, not necessarily us."

But for over two hundred years America has always said/thought it knows what's best/right for everyone.

Craig -

Hear , hear !

Harvested for the second time today from our big garden. Scallop squash. Var. Peter Pan & some onions.

Never cooked scallop squash ................ Any tips ?
Film to tomorrow.
Big day on the oven , I think I may get her running by the 4th of July.

Don1 -
It does devolve , and then it revolves. And if you're on Jamie machines, sometimes it de-solves. But then it'll revolve, but never will it resolve.

Jack -
Ordering the big gift pack of "Atta Boys" for your neighborhood.
Looks like Blue Corn Goodness to me.

cbob, best way i know too cook patty pans aka scallop squash is the simplest:
wash, put in covered bowl with a little water and zap for less than 4 minutes ( time depends on size/maturity of squash and power of microwave)

otherwise cook like yellow crook neck squash.

for more recipes
http://www.healthy-recipes-for-kids.com/scallop-squash-recipes.html

"It does devolve , and then it revolves. And if you're on Jamie machines, sometimes it de-solves. But then it'll revolve, but never will it resolve."

I love to wake up in the morning to read what wisdom C-Bob has left us from the wee hours of the morning. Sometimes C-Bob, you are just brilliant.

And yes Solar, we all fit in. You may have to turn us around a few times, turn us sideways or upside down but you can find a hole that we fit in here. Glad to see that we haven't run off Don. Love ya man. We were having a little fun with ya. I'm not sure if that qualifies for devolving. Hey I think that maybe that "devolving"
here might be my favorite thing to do on this blog, but not sure because I still need a good definition.

And yes Craig, life is too good for us for us here to become too passionate about anything that aggravates us. Not so in Iran and their neighbor countries.

Craig, You funny guy..... But again your biased colors show as you compare another very illogical connection of situations. But it does feed the old anger of many of your flock.
Elements of this one not worth further comment....

Lets Hope that the new - Lets Talk Administration - Will step up and deliver the support for the Freedom seeking Iranians -
Why is he now so Shy when in fact Barack should be Talking up to the need transparancy and help finish what has been very long in the making.

Good mornin" folks

I had a restless night. I finally said to hell with it and gave up trying to sleep. I'm sipping the first cup of coffee.
So things are going to be a bit incoherent until the caffiene kicks in.

Thanks for the Attaboys Bob the neigborhood certainly earned them.
For the morning crew you can read about it , with pictures here
http://belmonttopping.blogspot.com/

Back to the coffee

Jack

Here is to youth! Americans were too old and fat in 2000 to fight the Supreme Court decision. Iranians are a young and rebellious population. We used to be like that!

Watching the death of the young girl who was marching with her father in Iran ...reminded me of Kent State. Yep, they have the fire in their bellies.

BW

They are young and with that idealistic.
IMO , they believed that they had as good a democracy as anybody. With this election they have had it rubbed in their face that they don't. The Iranians are a proud people and believe themselves to be better than there Arab neighbors. This makes them look like a typical Arab despotic state.
The Iranian people lost their political innocence

The the problem with street protests is they only work against someone who can be shamed and embarrassed. Street protests against Joseph Stalin would have been suicide.
Is the Supreme leader another Stalin? I doubt it as Stalins are rare but he is very conservative and does believe in his cause as well. Remember his cause is back by his religious beliefs.

Jack

How Many Americans died in battles for Freedom?

Is there a different way so many years later?

Jack...the best hope for the Iranians is the split that is growing between the clerics. Divide and conquer, I say!

It is sad and inspiring to see the urban and urbane people of Iran march. I know the rural areas are still clinging to thier guns and religion.

the worst thing that Obama could do is make the protests a cause celeb, as many republicans are pushing. . That would allow the the ruling powers in Iran to use the outside meddling as a way to rally the population against the protesters.
The focus needs to be on the corrupt Iranian government, not on old animosities between us and Iran. Except for quiet support for democracy in Iran our best choice is to STFU. And let the debate stay between different factions in Iran.

Jack

BW

Good points

I suspect it is very much the Urban educated population vrs the traditionalist rural population. (a lot like China) Who will decide the matter will be the monied middle class. They are hurting right now so they maybe ready for change.

Jack

So Ping I guess you support going to War in Iran so we can steal their Oil and Gas like we did in Iraq.

If this becomes America against the Mullah's the only threat we have is sending in troops and I see that like all your Republican Brethren you want to trade American Blood for the Oil and Gas Resources.

I wonder when we will have another Kent State because under Republican Ideas they would continue to sell their Souls for Power and Money.

A-P sorry to be direct - but you join the absurd and provactive comments already started on this blog for the day - also with no connection to reality. So you and Craig are in good company today!

This is not my statement. Facts of History is Americans fought and died for American Freedom.

The question is can this change for the Iranian people? No where close to saying we go in. But can results change without the blood shed?
How do you get power from those in power?

You have to admire the Iranian peoples courage. At least they try.

hey solar et al, some father's day leftovers that need to be eaten up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBWVWjdNWC0&feature=related

To waterboard, or not to waterboard, that is the question.
Would Obama use waterboarding to try to prevent this from occurring?

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-40495320090621?sp=true

Ping...

We helped overthrow a Democratic Iran in the 50's and they have not forgotten it. We have no business telling them how to run their country.

There is nothing we can say or do that will change that fact. The only thing we can do is infuriate the Mullah's to crack down even more on the Iranian people and cause a lot more bloodshed by sticking our two cents in.

All your doing like your Republican Brethren is cheer lead us into another War like you did with Iraq. And we all know that we only went into Iraq to take control of there Oil Resources.

We traded American Troops Blood for Oil, plain and simple fact and you know it.

Oh by the way Americans did indeed fight and die for American Freedom here at home. We can not export American Freedom around the World.

Only the people of other countries can bring the Freedoms they want, not us by continuing to threaten them with our military or our bombs if they don't do what we tell them to do.

And right know the Republicans are once again threatening our very Freedoms by inciting violence against anyone in America who don't follow their path, which is the path to destruction.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238178

sturge, actually it was this post of yours that really made me think of that old kodak ad and the song. and also felt it would be a sure fire tearjerker for solar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBWVWjdNWC0&feature=related

and max's "neda"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/21/iran.woman.twitter/

no mo kodak...........just point and click..........instant pitchers......
not only instant pitchers but instant pitchers on the world wide stage......amazing......used to have to send the film off to "Jack Rabbit" and wait for the prints......

anybody wanna buy an SLR 35 mm pentax K1000?

lol

I re-injured my hand...hard to type and plenty of typos. I find the argument from most of the right pressing for Obama to do more about Iran very annoying. It is basically two issues...1) Moral obligation to publically denounce to stop the violence 2) Political obligation is to stay out of iran's version of a democratic process.

I am sick of repugs telling Obama to take the moment...like Ronnie R...like they are really looking out for his political future.

geronimo!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8112051.stm

back when I was on the road, we couldnt afford to develop the prints, so I just took pictures and threw the used film into a suitcase......in Denver around '83 a Walgreens ran a special......develop the film for $1.00 a roll..........I took down 73 rolls of 35mm film.......each roll in a separate envelope.........It was photograph heaven for awhile there.......

and yes there is a connection to my last post and craig's topic. both mention a certain xpotus. no devolvement here. just derangement.

"Tear down this wall, Kahmenei!" - Barack Obama

Well, he hasn't said that, but somebody brought up Ronnie and that was his big moment.

mornin'

Not really sure what to make of the dichotomy you have cast light on Sr. Crawford. I think there may be some difference between a facistic one party theocracy with democratic window dressing and a weak opposition candidate and whatever the representative two party democracy is that we live in. The biggest difference I see is that we are a nation of people who are governed by consent under laws people we elect to pass them rather than ruled by ayatollahs who rule with the imprimatur and laws of the supreme being. (OK, Dumya thought he did too.) The people on the street in Iraq are at least in part able to remember their revolutionary roots without resort to badly written history books that in essence deify the country's founders, and they can talk about it with parents who lived it if they are too young to have witnessed it themselves.

btw, I hope everyone had a great father's day - I know I did.

sturg, I've got a couple of Nikon FE2s with all the trappings, but have to admit that I haven't used one of them since I got a D50 a couple of years ago. There's something about being able to store 650 pictures on a postage stamp sized SSD card.

Got Brad Paisley's "Play" for FD and have it playing in the background - man, can he.

Yup, Iran's revolution will have to come from within, but if it does, does anyone really believe we'll sit on the sidelines? Times have changed since the 1770s, and we didn't have to unseat the government we seceeded from. But as to the bloodshed, yep, Ping, it's part of the dealm isn't it?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238333

Yes, Corey, the beginnings of Republican rule by slogan. Too bad Dumya forgot that lesson from Ronnie. Let's face it, Iraq and Afghanistan ain't exactly Grenada.

"Democrats may go it alone on gov't insurance plan"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD98VNBN80

"21st century statecraft vs. tweets as war crime
..... exploring the links between Twitter, cyber-attacks and 21st century statecraft"

http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/

pat, I'll see your ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and raise you a KRUGMAN.

ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

"Let the Good Times Roll" - Brad Paisley and B.B. King. Heavenly music.

yeah.... yeah....
it's a poor analogy meant to stir up this here hornet's nest....

I do think Ping nailed it.... unfortunately if the aim is to overthrow a corrupt government, bloodshed will follow. And I will continue to pray for the brave people in Iran.

What I want to know is what is Pat Buchanan saying we should do about Iran.
He's been against us getting involved in other countries business for a long time. He was the only Republican who was critical of Bush going into Iraq.
I was wondering if even he is towing the Repub line this time.

BlondeW.... sorry to hear about your hand.... please take care....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238343

renee: here's looking at you kid......lol

http://www.vespa-crabro.de/dr_billig/hornis_im_anflug.jpg

The bonus track on the "Play" album is a duet with Andy Griffith. I hope Ron Howard has this CD.

pogo, only have a niall ferguson, can you make change?

"The Great Repression is of course is a play on words. Repression is a psychological term. We often talk about being in denial about a trauma. I think there are a great many people who are still in denial about the scale of this economic crisis. The Obama administration, for example, published a budget document not so very long ago which projects US economy will grow 3% next year 4% the year after that and 4.6% the year after that. That’s a fairy story. Anybody who bases their budget plans on a forecast like that is exhibiting all the symptoms of the great repression...."

http://www.niallferguson.com/site/FERG/Templates/Home.aspx?pageid=1

Was I supposed to read something Carol? I must have missed it. Hope ya'll had fun.

A day without CBob, is a day without, er, something. But it's always fun.

Ever think Solar, that if you hadn't been through the hardship you experienced, you wouldn't have turned out to the great person you are today?

"We have no business telling them how to run their country."

Typical Liberal wringing of the hands. The Liberals rally call has always been the same, "We care so much, we'll talk on your behalf forever, we'll cry for the atrocities being inflicted upon you, we'll beat our chest yell and scream as a sign of our out rage, but don't expect any more than that. We can't become physically involved, what if it goes wrong." God even the Europeans have voiced a tougher position than the US, and they did so much earlier on. Not on is the US being turned into the Socialist States of America, we are also becoming a very neutered version of the champions of democracy and freedom.

was eisenhower a liberal in 56?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238300
"for over two hundred years America has always said/thought it knows what's best/right for everyone."

You mean we're not right?!

maybe ronnie was a liberal when he pulled out of .....was it beirut? after the big marine-killing bombing?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/white-house-helicopter-fiasco.html#comment-238275

It only lasted 15 minutes Carol. I noticed this morning it didn't get wet under the cars or heavy trees..... But it was fun while it lasted, brought back old memories of when it actually used to rain fairly regularly.

.... and Carol, it did come out of no where as a really hard rain (it was no where in any forecast)... couldn't be mistaken for someones sprinkler. I was just happy to see any water at all.
(I need to perfect that dance and make it last longer, before I share it)

Good to see you back Pogo. Don't think you've been around for almost a week, have you? Glad to hear you had a good fathers day.

Don, Would you say that 'devolved' is the exact opposite of 'evolved'. ?

Pat, I thought Krugman tapped me out - but I do have a little Will I can spare.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902334.html

Typical Liberal wringing of the hands. The Liberals rally call has always been the same, "We care so much, we'll talk on your behalf forever, we'll cry for the atrocities being inflicted upon you, we'll beat our chest yell and scream as a sign of our out rage, but don't expect any more than that. We can't become physically involved, what if it goes wrong."
--TiR

huh........that sounds just like bush1 right after that first gulf war........

I guess the cheney/bush2 junta are the only real conservatives.....

I have always contended that you have the most ironic nom de plume here, Truth, and you never cease to confirm my opinion on that issue.

chloe, we've had plenty of rain to spare over the past week - I would have been happy to loan yousome.

chloe, from time to time I have to be scarce around here - like when I'm sick or traveling for work and actually have to work while I'm traveling for work - and unfortunately both of those thigs hit at the same time last week. (But I was lurking).

pogo, slugs are no fair. nor wooden nickles.

"we've had plenty of rain to spare over the past week - I would have been happy to loan yousome."

NOW you tell me! :)

but we did step in and do something for the little iranian peoples in 53, eh? They all really appreciated that, I bet.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238358

Well, whatever the reason, we missed you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238356
I like the part where he said we're all neutered now.

nick-el

guess it's beene devalued so much forgot how to spell it

"Typical Liberal wringing of the hands." Typical conservative bullshit. If conservatives understood liberals, John McCain would be president and Repubs would control two houses of Congress and would be seeing gains in the number of state houses they control. How's that workingout for you? (And BTW, We have no business telling them how to run their country.)

chloe, conservaives like Truth dish out so much bullshit you'd think they invented the cow.

hey, sturge, that lasted almost 25 years - what more could you ask for?

Ping,

We have no diplomatic relationship with Iran. At several points in history we have been opposed to the desires of the Iranian people. The current President uses any action by the US or Britain as a propaganda point to foment Middle Eastern problems. We are currently bogged down militarily in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Our finances are stretched way, way over the breaking point.

Do you really expect the US to do anything other than deplore the violence? Oh, let me guess. Another opportunity for Republican fund raising rather than actually being useful.

By letting France and Italy take the lead on this one from a global perspective, there is more likely to be a beneficial outcome long term.

"Iran's Revolutionary Guard is threatening to crush any further opposition protests over the disputed presidential election and warns demonstrators to prepare for a "revolutionary confrontation" if they take to the streets again."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090622/D98VM5N80.html

Comments like Truthin's are only so much smoke. What, exactly, are they suggesting be done? If the United States is seen as encouraging the street demonstrations, what, exactly, do they see that leading to? Tell us, what do you suggest we do, and what outcome do you see as a result? It's not 'liberal' versus 'conservative.' Everyone would wish the same end. The question is how to most effectively bring movement toward that end.

Yes, such liberal icons as George Will think the neocon drumbeat is "foolish"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/21/george-will-rightwing-att_n_218580.html

Craig's byline at the top of the page that usually has his name and the number of comments is missing now..... or is that just my computer?

"It's not 'liberal' versus 'conservative.'"

Hear, hear!

The R's are still able to keep up their constant talking points. The are all on the same train of thought. All they are trying to do is to get some negative meme going that the public will buy-they are disciplined if nothing else.

Renee. P B. was on the Mclaughlin group-and was really arguing with Monica Crawly about Iran. He was vehemently against us interfering. Said that "Obama had exactly the right position. Stay out of it-we could be burned:"

Patd

Thanks for the morning tears. Little Judy was beautiful in that U-tube.

CB

"Don1 -
It does devolve , and then it revolves. And if you're on Jamie machines, sometimes it de-solves. But then it'll revolve, but never will it resolve."

Now that you said this. It is not the first time. A few months ago. Maybe a cpl after your return. You seemed a little frustrated by exactly the same thing.

You told Sturg about your concern that this blog sometime devolves-you did not use that word-but thats what U meant. Devolved in the sense of it all goes down hill sometimes.

I remember it because it was stated in such a very interesting way-that it took some time and re reading it several times. The answer from Sturg was that it happens -that he tries to get it back to where it should be.

I was confused as to my understanding of if ( I was never 100% sure ) it until just now that you said that. If I am very sorry.

Don -

I have no doubt about what you were talking about-because of the flow of conversation that we were having. When you said that this blog could sometime devolve.

I will tell you the same thing- Im the most guilty of all for doing this. but sometimes I like it. I have been scolded a cpl of time for being a little silly. Like I said-even on those slow silly day's-I still get something out of them. Thanks

Not just you. The count isn't there.

Beware of firey Pogos.

oddly written, but interesting.
http://themoderatevoice.com/36402/guest-voice-in-iran-little-sister-as-antidote-to-big-brother/

Craig's byline at the top of the page that usually has his name and the number of comments is missing now..... or is that just my computer?

Posted by: chloe | June 22, 2009 10:39 AM

No, Chloe. Same here. Don't know what it is--only that I have to click on the title of the post to get into the comments.

Jamie...

Same here. I tried to reload and like you experienced the same finding. No comments to click on.

So like the smart arse I am sometimes I just hit my back button to get back to the comments page.

Maybe the Gremlins are at it again and playing with the website site.

"Im the most guilty of all for doing this"

There's no reason for anyone here to feel guilty about anything. We all do and say as we please, and others can read or scroll.

Bob, I think it's the meds talking. ;-)

CJ, it may not be "liberal" v. "conservative" - it just kinda lines up that way for the most part. (Maybe its more like "neocons" v. "thinking humans"). It's that pesky middle that most of us are in that messes everything up.

Solar - guilty pleasures - I like it.

"- guilty pleasures - I like it."

... well, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound so bad.

perhaps we've been zapped and are in a black hole, parallel universe of the cyber attackers. denial of dissent. no comments allowed.

Chloe

I had an employee that did some special Indian rain dances. Just to get off work early. He wanted to go to the beach on a perfectly sunny beach day.

He did his special rain dance while we were pouring concrete. All of a sudden it crackeled a cpl of times-and it started raing a little heavy. But it only rained across the street from us.

We laughed our ass's off all day long. He didn't say a word for the rest of the day. I told him that I had connections down there ( the devil) and made my own special dance. He could not live it down for quite a while.

Solar, Hilarious flash back.... Thanks.

"perhaps we've been zapped and are in a black hole"

.... well, if that's true Pat, I'd often rather be in a black whole with all you guys than anywhere else.

Solar...
thanks for answering about PB... I don't agree with him on much... but I do agree with him on Iran.... and it's nice to know he's at least consistent....

pogo....
ix-nay on TIR being an operative.... last week he made a post which revealed he's been here a lot longer than we believed.... he even asked where was Brian.... I'd bet top dollar he's frydaddy in disguise....

Sturg.... buzzzzzzz.... buzzzzzzzzzz....

And I have to come to Ping's defense.... no where and at any time has he posted that he wants us to do anything about Iran. Some of you are assuming things and putting words in his mouth. I know I don't like it when it's done to me.

Paul Sanders is hardly 'liberal.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101791.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Paul Sanders is hardly 'liberal.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101791.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

ssssoooorrry about the sstttuuttteeerrr.

Look, I've thought about some changes that have taken place at TM. But it is what it is, nothing more and nothing less. I like to joke sometimes, when someone asks what we're having for lunch, I say we're having 'Take or leave it' for lunch. Well, that could sum up TM (as well as just about every other thing). Take it or leave it. We each have that choice.

Not much happening now, but there will be sometime in the future, and things will enevitably get more heated again. Until then, I like things just the way they are.

Chlo

I Don't feel guilty about having a little bit of fun. Never will. But I have to tell Carol-that Im innocent-innocent over here!!

Hey Pogo - glad that U had a great Fathers day. glad that You also lurk when not posting. About Fathers. Will you please adopt me!!! I won't be a problem.
You know how to mix it up-the give and take-that it takes to raise kids. Oh but I will need a really nice Guitar-and some other little toys that I will let you know about

"I will need a really nice Guitar-and some other little toys that I will let you know about"

Innocent toys, undoubtedly. :)

Hah, Solar, you only wish .... one rotten kid (actually he's a geat kid - did I mention that he was named MVP in his age group - of 60 - at the Bob Huggins basketball camp last week?) is plenty for me. a really nice guitar? If I was to adopt you, I'd let you share mine and your new brothers - we got a million of 'em. AS to those other toys, get a job.

If you have ever been in a situation where your every action is curial upon your very survival, then the following should ring true.

Actions by cowards will not only get themselves killed, they are just as likely to get you killed in the process.

Empty promises made by cowards will be their doom, and could be yours.

If you know you are going to die anyway, die trying to win your freedom, die on your terms not theirs.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTMTGmuvvDkM

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that if someone didn't use your name and didn't specifically insult you in a way that could be understood by anyone reading the message, then it probably wasn't worth gettin upset about something that was probably one of the following:

1. Your misunderstanding
2. Not meant as an insult at all
3. Was a lame attempt at a joke that didn't work
4. attacked the issue not me

or most important

5. Me being way, way too sensitive.

Now a direct, by name, obvious insult can either be taken on or ignored. In the heat of the moment., the best action is usually just go away for a while and cool down before replying or ignoring.

for those who follow it, the US Open has FINALLY turned into a typical US Open - tough course, wind, that sort of thing. Only 4 playes in the top 20 are shooting below par so far today - and the 2 guys vying for the championship yesterday are only 3 and four shots respectively ahed aof Tiger and Phil, but Tiger's about to run out of holes.

Just read that Sanders piece - even a RWer can get it right when he steps away from the talking points and puts his brain in "D".

" Empty promises made by cowards will be their doom, and could be yours. "
-----------------------
See Dick Cheney and George Bush for further details on this topic.

Get a job? I guess that for now I just have to settle for LUNCH- A sopa Azteca would be fine thank you. Chloe my PoP--the Pogo is buying. hahah

This Day In History FDR signs GI Bill

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do

Rats - I was just about to say that. Sopa Aztecs it is.

"Chloe my PoP--the Pogo is buying. hahah"

Pogo, Get that spoiled kid some 'take it or leave it' for lunch, would ya?

oops, Pogo, I almost left without congratulation you and little pogo for the MVP award. Way to go..... You must be really proud.

.... now my little mvp is awakening and I must tend to her needs. Later

Pogo

High praise for LP. Glad to hear he did so well at camp.

Lindsey Graham is such a nebbishy dweeb. Even when he is just speaking, it sounds whiney.

Hot diggity dog! Hello all, just got a call from Sen. Kennedy's office- their letter is now in the hands of Sec. Gates! In addition, the Center for US MIlitary History contacted Sen. Kennedy's office and is looking at the request for recognition AND is well aware that there is press interest!

A MOST SINCERE AND GRATEFUL THANKS TO YOU JAMIE AND CRAIG! YOU TWO ARE SWELL!

Last week my parents came to visit and with them they brought a surprise- the first fifty letters transcribed. It was SO wonderful to read through them all with my Mom and Dad. What a gift to get to know what sort of person my father was at the tender age of eighteen. I'll never be able to be hold a candle to him but I can keep trying anyways.

So amazing Jamie has started posting the letters at the blog
www.94campaign.blogspot.com and she comes up with some dandy photos to go along with them. I sure hope whoever is following the blog will enjoy the letters., think you'll find them more interesting as time passes and he gets to Europe.
Today was my day to return to TM, finally got over most of the hurdles, last which was putting together an authentic solstice celebration. What a hoot,right in the park in town. Put the performers on the boat at 830 last night and now may focus mostly (have an auction next Sat. night though) on the chocolates and shop, which is when I visit with you all in between batches. Have missed you all and am glad to be back.!

embassy evacs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/22/iran-embassy-staff-families-evacuated

sea, missed you especially at solstice

Oh, PS- Carol, saw your post last week and meant to write you, life just took over anyways- tell your friend to piss off, she doesn't know what she is talking about, and you can tell her oldseahag said so. When I'm up in the middle of the night worrying about one thing or the other, you guys are the first to figure out that something is amiss, long before my friends down the street. Granted it is a new way to start a friendship, but no less valuable. I will forever be indebted to Jamie, and there will be a record of her and Craig's kindness forever in history. Ask her if she can beat that?

Netanyahu declared that "our hand is extended for peace."

That rang a bell: in the 1956 Sinai war, a member of my editorial staff was attached to the brigade that conquered Sharm-al-Sheikh. Since he had grown up in Egypt, he interviewed the senior captured Egyptian officer, a colonel. "Every time David Ben-Gurion announced that his hand was stretched out for peace," the Egyptian told him, "we were put on high alert."

And indeed, that was Ben-Gurion’s method. Before every provocation he would declare that "our hands are extended for peace," adding conditions that he knew were totally unacceptable to the other side. Thus an ideal situation (for him) was created: The world saw Israel as a peace-loving country, while the Arabs looked like serial peace-killers. Our secret weapon is the Arab refusal, it used to be joked in Jerusalem at the time.

This week, Netanyahu wheeled out the same old trick.

Hey Patd,I so missed you , you and sturge at it with your clever quips in the morning. I've started many a day chuckling along with you two wordsmiths, thank you!

Sea

Welcome back- Have missed you - terrible!. Sure am very happy that your are in the final stretch of achieving your goal.

sea, just the thing for breakfast, fried quipers

Hey Solar!! I missed you too, you silly, silly man!! Hope all is well and you had a great father's day!

Sea

U have been lurking?

Sea,
congratulations. I hope the finish line is in sight now.

Truthinreality,

What are you talking about?

For anybody not up to date on the 94th campaign, here is the website. Just start reading from the bottom

http://94campaign.blogspot.com/

Folks forgetr that Teheran does not equal Iran. The folks in the capital, and Shiraz too, may be unhappy with the election. However, I doubt that the people in Hamadan, Isfahan, Qom, or Meshed are all that interested in a change of government, especially if the change means a disruption of the economy.

The pompoussword-rattling twaddle or Messers pong and reality indicate to me that they never experienced, or senility has blotted out the memory of, hostile fire. For instance, the crack, whizz, and thunk of AK47s or the foooTHUMPPP of 82s. All the guts and glory talk comes from bushcheneywannbees who never saw a big, strong man break down and cry in terror, or crap in his pants. That's your damn glory : when you fill your pants with your used k-rats. Watch your pals shiver from the cold as their blood runs away, watch them desperately trying to stuff their guts back in, or put a hand back on. Then, if you aren't crying yourself, or barfing your guts out, and onmly then, tell me that Obama is timid.

"that sounds just like bush1 right after that first gulf war"

No it sounds like the typical Liberal babble the Liberals constantly keep trotting out.

Case in point,Genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Are your hands raw from all the wringing?

What about the 350K murder in Iraq, more babble from the Left.

1994, Rwandan Hutus killed more than half a million plus Tutsis, more babble.

Pol Pot Massacre of 1.7 million people, just more of the same, more hand sitting while saying , "Please stop. We like to do more, but no it really isn't our business to step in, however please remember should you survive that we care so very much. Good luck."

Never saw a human rights problem the Liberal didn't support by displaying all their genuine heart felt grief and compassion, then talked endlessly what to do about it. And that is the real problems I have with Liberals, while the genocides rages on, the Liberals continue to talk, and talk, and talk. Their final position is always the same, it never changes, "it is their country, we don't want to become involved, they will have to make their own changes".

Genuinely curious, TiR; not trying to bait you:

Are there any "Liberal" positions you endorse, whether they be social, economic, or concerning foreign policy?

"Watershed Iranian events make case for Al Jazeera

....In Israel, Al Jazeera English has become the channel de jour for political operatives and policy makers who can see first hand what is being said by regional leaders, and monitor Arab coverage of their own activities.

Max Uechtritz, the former head of news for the ABC and the Nine network, is now director of programming for Al Jazeera English, based in Doha, Qatar. He says there are great benefits in this two-way street. "The Israelis feel they need to watch it to understand what is going on in the Arab world," he says, "and by interviewing Israeli leaders and commentators, Arabs are seeing for the first time that Israelis are not the inhuman devils they have been demonised to be."

While Al Jazeera frames its content from an Arab perspective, in exactly the same manner that Fox News and CNN wrap themselves in the US flag and the BBC projects a British viewpoint, it is not the mouthpiece of any government.

It is privately funded and frequently at odds with Arab leaders. Its pro-democracy, pro-freedom, anti-censorship stance has been condemned by neighbouring Saudi Arabians who accuse it of "peddling poison on a golden platter". It has been banned in Bahrain and accused of inciting protests in Iran, so its fair to say it takes an independent line. In doing this, it shines light on material we rarely see."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25667692-7583,00.html

XR, you're talking to yourself - they ain't listening.

Yes, truth, and those 360K (I note that you conveniently provide no source for that number) are more important than the 91K-1M who died as a result of our meddling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war_casualties#Various_estimates

What insanity.

Solar- I don't need to lurk to know what a impish prankster you are! I would check in sometimes and read Craig's post and the first woo hoos and then what was at the bottom, just never the time to go through a whole thread.
Thank you Cajunjoe, hope life is treating you well!

Well, I think the universe is telling me to sit my arse down and hang a while. Went to make a batch of buttercrunch and my thermometer is broken!

Pat -

Funny U should mention A. Jazeera.

Al-Qaeda commander threatens US

Al-Qaeda is believed to have close links to Pakistan's Taliban and other anti-government groups [AFP]

Al-Qaeda's third-in-command has told Al Jazeera that the group would use Pakistan's nuclear weapons against the US if it gained access to them.

Pakistan has been battling the Taliban and its al-Qaeda allies in the Swat valley and tribal areas in the northwest since April when fighters took hold of a region just 100km away from the capital, Islamabad.

http://english.aljazeera.net/

Can't take our eyes of the ball!

solar, saw that earlier but didn't want to incite a riot here or fuel the fires we already have raging on the trail today.

I suppose I should hold my breath waiting for an answer, TiR? That's cool; I'm just wondering what's up with the internal "us vs. them" mentality. Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

"XR, you're talking to yourself - they ain't listening."

pogo, even if they were listening to xr's passionate and eloquent post, would they understand?

pat, good question - and good point. But I know Ping would - his brain is not gridlocked by his ideology.

Nice post. In part Democrats allowed themselves to be intimated by those gooper clowns from the congressional staff.

"We all do and say as we please, "

I am not sure of that, Chloe. I am feeling like I have to second guess who may or may not disagree and cry foul. Takes a lot of the interest out of it.

As far as the comment on the '53 coup, the Mullahs supported the Shah because they feared the Soviets more than anything. Who got the Red Army out after Hitler was prevented from taking Iran? And who battled the Tzar? Seems like America helped protect Iran against thugs for the last 100 years and Prime MInister Mosaddeq who battled the Shah in '53 was a step away from allowing Stalin to get his port on the Gulf. The Mullahs spit on his grave.

Yes TiR, but Obama is playing it carefully. Anyone notice the meeting between Egypt, the Saudis and Israel? Seems they have a big horse in this revolution. May the face of Neda haunt the Mullahs the rest of their friggin lives.

Today more protests and more violence. This was always more than Mousavi.

I have seen reasonable data putting it more than 400k murdered Iraqis at the hands of Saddam. He would still be killing Iraqis. Ms. Power in the O-team has what to say about Iran? How does Carter like to see Hamas and Hizb'Allah beating Iranians? Didn't he say Iran democratically elect its leaders? Rumor has it one imported Arab militant working for the Mullahsmurdered Neda who was doing what? Iran puts on an air show to impress the Gulf. Too bad we didn't shoot them all down. How many years will the Iranians be tortured by their religious rulers?

If Iran falters, then peace will come to the Middle East. Lebanon stays free, Syria turns to the West. Iraq stays stable and we can concentrate on the disaster in Pakistan and Afghanistan. We can stop AQ in Yemen and keep North Africa including Sudan on the rational side of human rights. Right now, do Liberals care?

Sad truth is that Obama has far more balls than most Democratic leaders save Biden, Clinton and Webb.

I warned you all this election was going to be troubling. Given Obama promised not to let Iran get the bomb, perhaps we might see this opportunity as are best chance to spare the Iranians the inevitability of future carnage. I suspect that was what Egypt, Israel and the Saudis were discussing including a secret defence agreement of some sort. A real watershed moment that most Liberals are sleeping through.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6561/1/

When the Soviets brought the tanks in, didn't we unite in protest?

Craig, I think the comparisons detracts from the historical moment. Iranians don't have trouble voting like the people in Florida. Gore really lost his home State unlike Mousavi. Gore and Bush weren't selected by a religious elite. SCOTUS has no counterpart in Iran. Excuse me, but the anology is silly, don't you think?

Posted by: maxtrue Author Profile Page | June 22, 2009 2:41 PM

I agree, Max. Craig wishes there was violent protests in 2000?!

x repub, are you saying there have been no pretests from the cities you mentioned. How uninformed.

Try clicking on some of my links for the facts.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6554/1/

At the site above, carnage in pictures is reported from some of those cities you claim were silent. The MUllahs ban a ceremony for Neda. People flock from all over to the capital.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/06/21/76567.html
This is just about the Iranians in Tehran?

There is so much in this article it is almost impossible to know where to start.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/22/AR2009062201302.html?wprss=rss_nation

Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | June 22, 2009 2:50 PM

No kidding, pogo. I'll have to bookmark that article to read next time I'm feeling sorry for myself.

Dark, Dark, very Dark. Democrats blew that election and have themselves to blame. And media? Didn't Bush attack Clinton's arrogant foreign policy?

Yeah right.....

Still, it should not have been that close and even Bill helped keep Democrats from the White House in 2000.

How 'bout this, your darklordship - bookmark it and send it to all your friends who think Gitmo is full of bad guys rather than the good with the bad, or when they argue against the extension of habeus corpus to prisoners there.- as if they want to be confronted with factual support that refutes the insanity that is Gitmo.

Nah, pogo... discussing politics (or sending unsolicited political e-mails) is a good way to lose a friend. I learned that the hard way in 2004. That's why you guys have to deal with me. Sorry. Definitely sucks to be Abdulrahim Abdul Razak Al Janko, though.

Posted by: SolarCrete | June 22, 2009 12:57 PM : "That rang a bell: in the 1956 Sinai war, a member of my editorial staff was attached to the brigade that conquered Sharm-al-Sheikh. Since he had grown up in Egypt, he interviewed the senior captured Egyptian officer, a colonel. "Every time David Ben-Gurion announced that his hand was stretched out for peace," the Egyptian told him, "we were put on high alert."

And indeed, that was Ben-Gurion’s method. Before every provocation he would declare that "our hands are extended for peace," adding conditions that he knew were totally unacceptable to the other side. Thus an ideal situation (for him) was created: The world saw Israel as a peace-loving country, while the Arabs looked like serial peace-killers. Our secret weapon is the Arab refusal, it used to be joked in Jerusalem at the time."

This week, Netanyahu wheeled out the same old trick.
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Mr. Crete,
I'd like to know who wrote this piece you quote. I wouldn't take it at face value. It talks about '56 and Ben Gurion's alleged public relations.

After the '67 war, Ben Gurion favored evacuating the Israeli Army from all of the West Bank, except Jerusalem, Mt Horeb, and the Golan Heights. Further, while it is true that in 1956 Ben Gurion said he offered his hand in peace, the Egyptian dictator, Abdel Gamal Nasser then seized and nationalized the Suez Canal, which had been built by and was owned by, the French and British.

Nasser claimed that the French and British had already received adequate compensation during the 87 years they'd used the canal, and didn't care to pay them for the loss of their equity. He was angry that the US and Britain had backed out of his plan to built the world's largest dam at Aswan. The US and Britain were unhappy with Nasser, because he was making overtures to the Soviet Union, and was styling himself as the leader of the Non-Aligned Nations. In the Cold War, the Dulles boy declared that if you weren't for us, you were against us. Nasser's claim to head the Non-Aligned Nations also drew the ire of Jawaharlal Nehru, who for a decade had cultivated that image.

As Israel and Egypt were still in a state of war, Egyptian control of the canal would deny Israel access to the canal. Any ship or boat flagged or owned by a 3d nation that carried Israeli goods or passengers would be denied access to the canal, also. Further, 2/3 of Western and Southern Europe's supply of oil came through the canal, and Europeans were afraid that the Egyptians would dramatically raise the tolls for using the canal, hurting European economies. Those shrill European expressions of fears about oil control that Nasser had excited, helped to promote the creation of OPEC.

The 1956 attack on the canal resulted from for two actual injuries inflicted by Nasser, and the fear of a third : 1. His failure to indemnify the owners of the canal, and 2. His choking off of Israeli trade, 3. the fear that Nasser would raise tolls high enough to hurt European economies. The recapture of the canal by the French and British, and Israel's simultaneous defeat of the Egyptian Army along their border with Sinai was hardly a matter of Ben Gurion guilefully "offering his hand in peace." It was a matter of a fascist dictator seizing property for which he refused indemnity, and which he threatened to use against Europe and Israel.

Thus, the attack in '56 had absolutely nothing to do with any alleged perfidy on the part of Ben Gurion. The Egyptian officer may have made a joke that the writer took seriously. In fact, if the Egyptian Army was put on high alert, it was because the Egyptian Commander ordered it, not because of Ben Gurion. Of the 2 clashes that took place on Ben Gurion's watch, one occured when the Arab armies were attacking in 1948, and the other was in '56, when Nasser was threatening to cut off Israeli supplies.

Btw, it was Canadian PM Lester Pearson who concocted a 'solution' - the 1st UN Peace Keeping Mission - to seperate the Israelis from the mauled Egyptian Army. republican US President Dwight Eisenhower had opposed the invasion, and demanded that Israel, Britain, and France stand down. He supported the Canadian peace plan.* As the crisis passed, Europe was held up with much higher tolls from '57 to '67. For his effort, Pearson won the Nobel Peace Prize. And as we all know, in '67 the Peace Keepers proved to be worth their weight in air.

Of course, by 1967 and the 3d war with Egypt, Ben Gurion had already been out of power for 4 years. So, the tale of the guile behind BenGurion's 'offering his hand in peace" is apocryphal.

*According to the neocons, this apparently makes republican Ike a Liberal babykiller, who is out of step with the American people. Later in '56 Ike was re-elected by a huge majority of Americans, which just shows what out of step means. Ah, but that was back in the days when 'Conservatives' were conservative, and 'right wing' referred to a hockey forward.

S'posed to read "Dulles boys" referring to the Secy of State John F., and the head of the CIA, Allen.

"Still, it should not have been that close and even Bill helped keep Democrats from the White House in 2000." Posted by: maxtrue | June 22, 2009 2:56 PM

Max, BS. Bill stayed at arm's length because Gore miscalculated his value to the campaign and did not use him as he should have. Bush built his campaign on "restoring honor" to the White House, and Gore stupidly took the bait and ostracized Bill. Had Bill campaigned heavily in NH, OH, or maybe Arkansas and swung one of those states, Florida wouldn't have mattered. And yeah, Gore should have been able to take TN, but he didn't. Gore got the opportunity to return to academia as a result. Putz.

Whatever happened to the Ayatollah Montazeri, whom the Ayatollah Khomeini held as an incommunicado prisoner in Qom ? It seems to me that the Turkic Azeri people of the NW might have a strong voice in this matter of achmedinejad's re-election. The last I heard (admittedly 20 or more years back) , the Azeri were very unhappy with Qom's dictatorial leadership, and Parsi-Centric Nationalism.

pogo, is it possible al janko was kept there for his own safety? sort of a perversion of the witness protection program? or as a mole? in any case, sad loss of years in a man's life.

pat, I supose anything is possible, but under the Bush cabal, I tend to doubt that. And now, I disappear. (see ya)

Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com | June 22, 2009 1:46 PM : "...Yes, truth, and those 360K (I note that you conveniently provide no source for that number) are more important than the 91K-1M who died as a result of our meddling."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war_casualties#Various_estimates
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Mr. Pogo, Esq.,
I confess that I was using a figure from a neo-con bilge pump, just to avoid an argument with the usual suspects. I was a fool to risk the wrath of the fiery Pogo. Btw, "What insanity" indeed.

Posted by: maxtrue | June 22, 2009 2:48 PM : "x

repub, are you saying there have been no pretests from the cities you mentioned. How uninformed.

(I never said that. This is just another of your unethical and unscholarly attempts to put words in my mouth.)

Try clicking on some of my links for the facts.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6554/1/

At the site above, carnage in pictures is reported from some of those cities you claim were silent.

(I did not say other cities did not have protests. Stop tinsiuating things that I wrotew thing that I did not. Pleawse, stop your unethical and unscholarly behavior, maxtrue, it makes you look like an idiot.)

The MUllahs ban a ceremony for Neda. People flock from all over to the capital.

(The capital is Teheran.)

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/06/21/76567.html
This is just about the Iranians in Tehran?

Pogo, I tend to think that Mr Clinton was not totally disappointed that Mr Gore demurred from accepting his support. Had he jumped in with both feet, and lost states people believed him capable of carrying, that could have lessened his ability to support Mrs Clinton in the future.

"Stop tinsiuating things that I wrotew thing that I did not. Pleawse, stop your unethical and unscholarly behavior, maxtrue, it makes you look like an idiot"

It was supposed to read "Stop insinuating I wrote things that I did not. Please stop your unethical and unscholarly behavior, maxtrue, it makes you look like an idiot."

Goodbye Kodachrome

RIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hSXKjHDKkY

ah... back from the big city once more.... and I see we have our post count again...

OSH.... so great to see you .... and that is awesome news about your father's regiment (hope that's the right word).....

and dark lord.... hope your little vacation went well.... welcome baaaaack....

Patsi.... I LOVE it when you let it all out... even if I disagree with it.... which is seldom...

Xrep

Besides all the typos, how hard were you banging on the key board?

Been there done that and most days it is not worth the effort.
Max likes straw and yes it irritates me when he puts my name on his strawman.
But that is Max

Jack

Xrep

Please insert all kinds of smiley faces and ironic chuckles in my previous post.

Jack

The moving target of the so-called rich, a family making over $250,000.00, is drifting ever and ever lower. Next stop the so-called rich. Campaign promises, ain't it a bitch.

Thank you, Renee. I'm ready for another one already.

In online discussions and blogs people are going to feel their toes have been stepped on no matter how careful I am to avoid it.
That is why any more I believe in wearing my heavey steel toed work boots while commenting. I never feel it when my toes are stepped on and those with delicate toes learn to tell the accidental brushing from full force tread of the boot.

After, I spent the morning taking my FIL to his medical stuff, I was trying to convince myself to go out side and work. I opened the door then changed my mind.

Renee, I'll try to send some of the heat your way.

Jack
Doing book work this afternoon

"I am feeling like I have to second guess who may or may not disagree and cry foul. Takes a lot of the interest out of it."

Patsi, No!
I've been afraid that's why we haven't seen you for a few days, and you're sorely missed. Don't go all sensitive on us.

Talk to us... we're listening. The more controversial, the better.

Welcome back Sea.
What an energy level you have! Luckily, you have enough for both of us. :)

Iran, I see our national interest as preventing Iranians, of any ilk, from gaining nuclear weapons. The current unrest results in smoke that detracts from our focus on that paramount interest.

Jack, I was really pleased seeing the visual evidence of you neighborhood successes. Well done!

I hope you consider a fund-raising mechanism such as CBob has been using. It's allowed us outsiders to contribute to his worthwhile efforts. I feel certain some of us share your goals and would help you further them through contributions.

"Don't go all sensitive on us. "

Not sensitivity. More head shaking.

Nice to see ya back OSH. Hope ya stick around more.

And Solar, if you were innocent you wouldn't be half as much fun. Don't fight it.

Patsi, where have you been partying lately, huh girl? I ordered your book from Amazon on the 9th. I got the super savor delivery. They finally sent it on the 16th and still not here yet. They could have stuck it on a tortoise's back and he could have crawled it here by now. You might just have another book out by the time I get it.

Sturge, they don't make these digitals like the old SLR cameras. I knew how to do tricks with them like accomodate for depth of field issues, adjust for back lighting, etc. Maybe there is a way to do it with the digitals but I can't figure out the instructions.

Chloe, did you watch my virtual thunderstorm on the youtube I linked? It was quite comforting. I noticed that Maggie didn't go under the bed when the thunder sound came on. It didn't fool her.

And Dark, I did have a violent protest in 2000. I did it in my living room, in my bedroom and probably ended up even having to go to the bathroom. It really upset my colon.

"More head shaking."

... we all do that Patsi. But you take all the joy out of it if you double think every thing you say, worrying about someones reaction. There are too many different personalities here to do that. Don't give up on us.

Also Patsi, we know what we hear from you is genuine and from the heart. That can 'never' be a bad thing. No ones asking for compromise around here.

"Maggie didn't go under the bed when the thunder sound came on. It didn't fool her. "

Yes Carol, it will do in a pinch, but there's nothing like the real thing. Your Maggie is one smart little cookie. :)

I shake my head a lot, too. Everywhere.

"It really upset my colon. "

You're a nurse.... You should know to NEVER upset your colon, for crying out loud!

"I shake my head a lot, too. Everywhere."

Exactly Corey.

"They could have stuck it on a tortoise's back and he could have crawled it here by now."

I keep looking back at your post and am still laughing. What do you want for free? Just savor the book and enjoy it. :)))

Hey Patsi, It's usually your closest friends and family that treat ya like shit and vice versa. Do you think we're all getting too close here? (insert smiley face here)

And then that may just be my friends and family!

Palestinian plots up for grabs

A Palestinian advocacy group is accusing Israel of removing by stealth, what Palestinians see as a one of the key elements of any future peace deal – the right of return for refugees.

Adalah, a legal centre for Arab rights in Israel, claims that the possibility of Palestinians returning to the homes they left in what is now Israel is slowly being eroded away by the sale of an increasing number of their properties to private individuals.

In most cases, the original owners are either in exile or unable to afford the prices offered by tender on the Israel land administration website.

"Based on its law, Israel is allowed, as a state, to use this property. However they are not allowed to sell it to private hands," Hassan Jabareen, the managing director of Adalah, said.

But at least 282 homes have been sold in the past two-and-a-half years, he told Al Jazeera.

'Absentee properties'

Israel calls them "absentee properties" – houses and land belonging to nearly 700,000 Palestinians who left or were expelled when Israel was created in 1948.

The properties are supposed to be held in trust by the Israel land administration until a final resolution is agreed, but once they are sold to private owners, any right of return becomes almost impossible.

The Palestinians have always argued that the refugees should be allowed to go back, even to lands that are now part of Israel.

http://english.aljazeera.net/

Flatus thanks for the encouragement. I have an idea or two that would need some outside funding but first I have to get the people lined up to take them on.

The nice thing about this last project is some one else did most of the contact and arrangeing to get the dumpsters.
Share the burden , share the fun.

Jack

Don1one-

Economic Stimulus Spending, as of the week ending June 5, 2009

Approximately 82% of the total $787.2 Billion in economic stimulus funding has yet to be committed. Learn more about the stimulus appropriations and how to identify government initiatives receiving stimulus funding.

Upper right hand corner.

forgot the link.

http://www.input.com/default.cfm

No big deal, Chloe. Not worth another thought.

Patsi

Short post. Glad u r back. Don't get lost again. Nice talking to ya . Catch U later.

No way my emails are going to be short. They might put you to sleep tho.

Solar

just the anticipation of the stimulus money is putting beans on the table around here. The wife is working on several possible water project contracts that are anticipated to be out this summer in the Northwest and a whole bunch of high speed rail all over the nation.

Jack

Excellent Sullivan piece on what makes Twitter so exciting and why Iran has turned him into a convert

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6544276.ece

Jack

Same here. Don was telling me ( after some bitching on my part ) To be patient that the S $ -the bulk of it has not been spent yet. I am also looking into some government work around Ohio. Might need a little help with take offs and quotes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238476

I agree Flatus. But I think the harder question is whether you hope this political movement in Iran will, over time, lead to a more moderate and cooperative government through a peaceful transition of power?

Or should the policy be to encourage unrest and foment rebellion that could lead to many attrocities - but likely degrade Iran's progress towards nukes in the near term.

Amazing story on The Daily Beast from an Iranian about the generational divide in one family

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-22/how-neda-divided-my-family/

Craig may need to do a new edition of "Attack The Messenger" now that Twitter is on the scene. For those who don't use it the word FAIL means somebody or something really fouled up. When Twitter was in early days and would get overloaded, you would get the picture of some birdies trying to lift a whale. This graphic became known as the WHALEFAIL.

CNN got the dreaded FAIL from tweeters the first night of the Iran protesters. It was the weekend evening and they were in rerun rotation. All over Tweeter it became #CNNFAIL until they finally went live and the anchors were all over themselves making excuses and apologies.

Just now the Washington Post got caught with a bad link on their page for a major happening event with the Metro Crash. I wonder how long it will take them to correct with the following flashing around Tweeter:

"#WaPoFAIL: Front page link at WashingtonPost.com on Metro accident went to old story about Virginia Tech massacre."

Less than 140 characters to tell the world the Washington Post blew it. :-)

montana daydreamers..........nice photos of flathead lake and all around montana with a nice little doggie thrown in......

http://montanadaydreamers.blogspot.com/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238502

"the creation of Twitter . . . is as significant and paradigm-shifting as the invention of Morse code, the telephone, radio, television or the personal computer"

"With internet speed deliberately slowed to a crawl by the Iranian authorities, brevity and simplicity were essential. To communicate, they tweeted."

Jamie, You're right. That article did make Twitter suddenly sound very useful. Since it was about twitter (and I've never been impressed by it), I was surprised... Glad you linked it.

Beautiful pictures Sturge. I'm saving that one.
Carol, Make sure you take a look at them. Beautiful photos, like yours are.

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or enter yours

Hi Patsi
Glad your around thought maybe you were on a book tour.I hope your coming to Florida..Did you see my photo's? If not I'll re-post them.I love it when you say what you feel,no worries here let er rip...

Mr. Crete,

Dam', you always bring intriguing items to the Trail !

I think the Pal talk about a right of Pal return is a non-starter. Pals talk about it as if Israel is sneakily eliminating this 'right', when in fact, a Pal right of return has NEVER been on the table.

If you were to fail to pay your property tax for 61 consecutive years, you wouldn't expect your property to still be waiting for you, if/when you ever got back. If you can't walk away from your property for 61 years, without unpleasant consequences ensuing, how can anyone else expect to ?

Of course, there has always been a very easy way for all of them to return, but they don't want to take the easy route. They'd rather reconquer the land. Macho crap. Also, the Israelis arew loathe to talk about it, so between the 2 of them, it is never discussed in public.

But, even if the Palestinians were (subjunctive, against evidence) to take the easy way, after 61 years of abandonment, people just can't expect buildings or even acreage to be as it was.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238508

Chloe

Twitter is only as much fun or as informative as how your use it. I tweet very little simply because I'm not really doing a lot of activities, but my blog topic goes up whenever it changes, and a couple of friend pop in now and then and it is better than instant messaging..

The way I use it most is to stay on top of news and politics. Almost all of the people I "follow" are news or political activists. Just as with here, they link excellent articles or provide commentary on events.

The first two nights of Iran protests, the pages were on fire. with 30 and 40 messages stacking up every few seconds. It really was amazing being tied into a major event in the world absolutely live as if you were there.

Mr. WhskyJack,

As soon as I saw it, I took your comment to be a friendly reminder of something I forgot. Thanks.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238510

KGC

Loved that instead of the wacky letters or math problem, you have to click on a frog to prove you are human and not a spam worm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238504

Hey Warren
How was the wedding trip?Hope you had a good one.I hope some of the Democrat's don't wimp out on support for a gov. plan for health care.?...Sad if they let the insurance companies continue to dictate...What's your take?

Xrepub-the tax argument just doesn't quite hold as many countries don't have the property taxes we do. That is how generation after generation is able to stay on the same plot of land.

Mr. XR

If you call me mr. one more time. Im gonna ______and you won't like it-not one bit.

I thought that you would jump at that. You might be right-if it was all voulantary. Even the ones that are living there now- are not allowed to go back to theire houses.

They are making new laws that prohibit them to live there. Some times they leave the house in the am. When they return. The house is sold right from under them.

Hi Sea
Glad your back!!! Thanks for sharing your families good news....

Warren, I think Congress in 1922 answered the question about Palestinians who took up arms against Israel. Funny how your logic ignores the millions of Jews forced from Arab lands they inhabited for centuries. What, are there even 400 Jews left in North Africa?

As far as your choice, encourage unrest and foment rebellion. We are doing that? Is that what you though about Eastern Europe during the Cold War? The Iranians, many of them, are sick of their pathetic rulers. How many have died at the hands of the clerics forgetting about the stupidity that encouraged Iraq to attack.

We have been waiting for a peaceful trasfer of power. Bill Clinton waited eight years while Iran sent hit squads to Africa, Europe and South America. Before this "peaceful transfer of power" the Mullahs will green light Hamas and Hizb'Allah. Make no mistake about that. The cleric are already cracking down and have long ago denounced American "fomenting". They also know Egypt and Saudi Arabia are plotting for more strikes against them.

Seeing that WE have little influence besides the moral high ground we can promote on the world stage, that leaves degrading the Iranian nuclear program a huge stake in this race. The Mullahs plan to hold their people hostage anyway against retaliation. Iranians know that. How safe are they after a major incident suspected of Iran? Why do you think a major facility of weapon research is located in downtown Tehran?

And while some are taking shots at Obama, let us look at our allies. Germany is Iran biggest trading partner. Why hasn't Merkel suspended trade? While she talks the talk, she hasn't kept German multinationals from trading to Quds. Here is a WSJ report on how two European companies we should ban here in the US in protest, sold equipment to the Mullahs they use to censor their citizens, or should I say vassels.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html#mod=todays_us_page_one

More on Iran from Iranians: http://raymankojast.blogspot.com/

Iran is a no show for Obama's invite to the G 8:http://www.reuters.com/article/gc08/idUSTRE55L5GQ20090622

Also note that Andrew Sullivan who has been waxing pretty about Obama's handling of Iran links up with Totten who takes a tougher line. I am glad some bloggers don't toe the more Liberal line and try to paint a realistic picture. Some like Warren prefer a many decade wait for liberty in Iran without much projection of what will happen in the mean time to the world or the Iranian people. Raise your hands if you want the revolution to stop.

Yep Dark Lord, I wouldn't be so sure of what some players are up to. Here is what Israel would like Iran to think:

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6146 I wouldn't be too sure about the ground realities. Now is a great time to uncover some secrets...

And everyone, let's not forget the more Liberal side of the equation all over the internet. How many Liberal blogs are saying that Mossad and the CIA engineered the protests? To see many on the Left defend the Mullahs and reject the idea the Iranians are ready for a revolution is rather pathetic.

One article blasts Twitter:
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=32899 God Damn capitalists!!!!

Other Leftish articles blame the US for causing Iranian behavior, calling Israel and the US the real enemies of international justice. It is quite sad.

Again, Solar, the Palestinians rejected peace with Israel and tried to destroy her more than once. The US was clear all the way back in 1922 that these rejectionists would not be granted unconditonal return in an effort to defeat Israel through the ballot. While Muslim nations in the Middle East profess outrage at a Jewish State, they have forced Jews to leave their countries. They teach their children that Jews are evil enemies. Ahmadinejad talks of wiping Israel off the map.

God forbid we meddle in such affairs. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/70942

Sturgeone,

Wonderful photographs and Daisy is beautiful Unfortunately, you can't comment as the blog is restricted to team members.

The stats just came out on the tweets about Iran. Over 200,000 an hour at the height of the events

http://mashable.com/2009/06/17/iranelection-crisis-numbers/

Chloe, those pics are a lot cooler than mine. At least 50 degrees cooler. I need to head there for a while.

I told my older sister, that when I retire, if we could just get along better, that we could spend Spring, Fall and Winter here and move up her way, to Seattle, for the Summer. That would be perfect.

The wedding was awesome! I saw all my old college friends, got really drunk and did the worm (as I always do at weddings upon the request of either the bride or the groom.)

Re: Healthcare:

Well first, I don't agree with the natural urge in Washington to complain that the process is taking too long and demand action no matter what.

I think this is a very complicated issue so I hope they take the time to come up with the best plan they can.

My ideas are that there needs to be a focus on expanding care, cutting costs and decreasing the number of uninsured.

(And "cutting costs" means cutting prices of routine procedures, prescription drugs and eliminating waste, i.e., reducing unecessary procedures and increasing efficiency through technology. As opposed to decreasing the percentage of GDP that the Country spends on healthcare.)

Tort reform re: not only malpractice - but also insurance companies trying to avoid care.

We should also encourage more people to go into healthcare - and have more clinics staffed mainly nurses and physician assistants that focus on preventative care.

And Americans should be incentivized to eat better and work out.

I have not really heard any good explanation of why it should cost so much. But there seems that there can be a lot of steps taken simply by "reform" - which should not be funded by taxpayers.

Anyways, we should keep the price tag down - since it will inevitable cost more than we expect. And I think there should not even be a debate re: rolling back the Bush tax cuts to help pay for it. Those tax cuts were stupid and wealthy were not even asking for them.

And finally - if we are going to be going into the insurance business. We better be talking to the insurance companies. The insurance companies of course should not be dictating the process - but they deserve a seat at the table.

http://tumonbay.blogspot.com/

guam......i notice many pictures of the same spot......but they never look the same.............and some guamican foodstuffs......

max:

I'm not being "realistic?"

(instead of insulting my "liberal" ideas)

Please spell out how this revolution you envision will play out in US interests and in the interests of Iranian moderates.

The Ayatollah Khomeini began his revolution through the use of casette tapes that spread his message to the poor and disgruntled of Iran. In those days, the Shah had planned a great leap forward, and had broken the rug weaving looms, causing considerable unemployment. The hard-pressed came from the countryside to the big city. Teheran grew from 50,000 in 1950 to 5,000,000 in 1980. A majority of the immigrants were unemployed,young, men, the type of people most likely to join gangs to find guidance, meaning, and a feeling of belonging. The Ayatollahs revolution provided all that. Fortunately for the revolution's leadership, the war with Iraq broke out and consumed the energy of the rootless young and the lives of about 1,000,000 of them.

The latest analogue for casette tape revolution is twitter revolution. However, I wonder if the emotional and social lesions that made Iran vulnerable to revolution in the late 70s are present in the Iran of today.

Obama is right to be careful of Iran. Iran is dangerous in more ways than one. Also, Israel, Lebanon, Egypt, the Gulf States, and Saudi Arabia all have a stake in seeing that Iran tends it's attempts to destabilize and control it's neighbors. To the extent possible, why shouldn't the US let Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States do the necessary heavy (and obvious) lifting ? That way, if things turn ugly, the Shi'a Diaspora (like Turkey and Iraq) won't blame us.

It's time for Sweetie and dinner. 'Bye.

max

"We have been waiting for a peaceful trasfer of power. Bill Clinton waited eight years while Iran sent hit squads to Africa, Europe and South America."

We are obviously more engaged in the Middle East than we were during the Clinton years. Now we have troops in harm's way and therefore a dog in the fight.

Also, I don't remeber seeing anything like this in Iran during the Clinton years. So it looks like progress to me.

Ms. oldseahag,

Israel has a 10% property tax.
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Senor Crete,

I am wondering how I can rationalize treating differently. I haven't heard of this 'leave for work, come home to new owners' business. I am suspicious of it.

The Rez
Photography by Sarah Crank

http://sarahcrankphotography.blogspot.com/

Senor XR

I will see if I can find that article again. I posted it a few weeks ago. What I do remember is that these laws-did not effect the Israeli's-just the Pal's. The purpose id to get their lands.

I do agree to some extent with you tho. If someone left volutarily-and did not go back to their houses for many-many year. You have a point. However.

If laws. Employment-manipulations come into play. It sucks no!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238523
Carol, Montana is extraordinarily beautiful, but so it Louisiana. Your pictures are way cool too.

That setup you're working on with your sister sounds great. Seattle must be amazing in the summer. You must be like me, and really hate cold weather. I can't stand to be cold, but can always get into the air conditioning when it's hot. In the winter, I'm always cold, and that's in the milder Houston weather (probably similar to your winters).

What is the ms thing about?

XR, I liked your 1:31 post!

Patsi, I'm crushed! You censoring yourself???? In my opinion, it is totally unwarranted!

My idea of the great wisdom available to us is Whiskey Jack and his ideas and actions of getting things moving. Another example is the memories of people who have actually been in the thick of fighting and know what war is really like. Add to that Carol's experience with people who have trouble living within the law- Sturgeone's description of being a father - Sea's incredible ability to make a living doing so many things, and her father's law experiences - and Jamie's un-believable campaign to get recognition for Sea's father 's army comrades.

That's wisdom, all that experience. I think everybody here contributes and I know I have left out most. If we do wander off topic, Craig has said he doesn't mind, and frankly most of the time he says it all. When we do get weird, to me it's like when my darling nephews get digging in mud, you just have to stop worrying about their getting dirty and enjoy the fun Letting go of conventions and free-associating is good for, and even necessary, for humans of all ages - possibly even all creatures. We all seem to enjoy playing. Watch a dog having puppy zooms in the snow - good medicine for you and the dog.

Craig - I'm not sure what you think we should have done in 2000. We are a nation of laws, and I don't want to see us get an idea that mob rule is the way to go.

Solar - did you see my answer to you on the last thread and, if so, was that acceptable to convince you I meant no nastiness to you or Don otr anyone else?

Jamie

thanks

Hi Solar,
Looks like third party libertarians continue to grow.

http://bit.ly/g7ALP

Other than supporting other economies, I can't understand why we have troops all over Europe these days.

"What is the ms thing about?"

Sea, XRepub is just playin' around. He does that with all our names (actually I always kinda like it.... sounds respectful). :)

Hey tony darlin, how are you?

Hey Bethy, thanks but not so sure my continual attempts to make ends meet fall under the wisdom category! (smiley thing)

Aha, thanks for the explanation, been called a variety of things here but msed was knew.

oops-new

OSH

Are you near damariscotta

Ah, but Sea, you're not thinking of what you show to us.You are not complaining, you are inventive and creative, and you are adding to your community. You are being an example of what can be accomplished just by making an effort.

Further than that, you provoke questions in others' minds as to how we would react in the same situation.
You beg the questions of what we could, what we would, what we do, and what we don't do. Those are the kinds of questions we ask ourselves without even realizing it. All of those pertain to every other poster here, and I think that is at least one path to wisdom and understanding. Isn't there a saying that Man is the proper study of Man ? That's us...that's we, if you want to be picky.

Hi Solar,
Just had a chance to go back and read a bit of the last thread. I'm sorry I put you into that position. Thank you for trying to clarify things a bit.

You really think about things, you look for people who aren't being responded to, you research topics brought up, and agree or disagree it's always interesting and fun. It's not surprising that you looked for the positives in what I said while some others seemed to dive for the worst.

Hey - Don

I can't stand H uffington. but have booked that piece to read later on. It would sure be nice if what I said a few times during the primary's happened.

I have felt that most people are in the middle like me-but choose sides. Just like they do for a sports match. This stops them from not doing (voting ) for what is in the best interest of the country imo.

I have posed how R. P. has been right on the m ark. More and more people see this now. Also they are begining to see that Obama is not able to shed his contributors and lobbyist any more than Bush did.

I think that the independents are growing at a steady pace also. weather they are libertarian or indies -its all the same to me- as long as the middle is built up.

I found the passage in that book that I told Chloe about. I will post it a little later. I think that you will both like it.

Bethy

Hello. there is no need to convince me of anything. I will never hold ( nor you against me) any one misunderstanding, arguement-regardless of who is right or wrong .

I don't get mad and stay mad a friends. Just the opposite. I worry that they stay mad at me. I do think that Jamie has come up with the perfect set of guidelines for me to follow when something is being hashed out.

I" came to the conclusion a long time ago that if someone didn't use your name and didn't specifically insult you in a way that could be understood by anyone reading the message, then it probably wasn't worth gettin upset about something that was probably one of the following:

1. Your misunderstanding
2. Not meant as an insult at all
3. Was a lame attempt at a joke that didn't work
4. attacked the issue not me

or most important

5. Me being way, way too sensitive.

Now a direct, by name, obvious insult can either be taken on or ignored. In the heat of the moment., the best action is usually just go away for a while and cool down before replying or ignoring."

I was going to link it but - it is worth repeating as is. If you-you as in the general sense take a look at this list. If one or more of these come into play. It is worth asking someone what the hell did they mean.

Every thing is fine. I think that Don and others will agree with that list also-but?

Good evening KGC- according to google map I am 250 miles away. Why? Are you going there this summer? If so you better work your way on down here!

OSH

No --no visit this summer. I have a friend who lives there -she runs the Oyster Creek Mushroom Company and she spends the winter months here

http://santarosafarmersmarket.blogspot.com/2009/03/oyster-creek-mushroom-company.html

She is a very neat lady and I thought if you were nearby but 250 miles is a bit far for a meet up.

Don

You did not put anyone in any position. Sometimes this blog does-is all. You should have been around a few months back. It was vicious around here.

If I survived that-this is nothing. Not 1-tenth of what was going on. With 90% of us all. This was nothing to get all of this attention about imo. It just happened-no one is at fault. IMO.

It's going to happen again. So right now I want to take the opportunity to just say " Im innocent over here".

I paid over $3 a gal for regular gas today. News stories indicate the recent run up in prices was the fastest in recent times.

This will kill the already faltering recovery

Old Sea -
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238412

This is way past mere "Atta Girls & Boys".
This is why i've always came here.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238539

I'm good.Staying busy with the cleaning work.Hot here 101 today and very humid..I'm so glad your back,missed you much..What Bethy said at 9:32 goes for me also...

Lot of regional variance, Katherine. Here in Columbia, it was going for $2.43 in the local stations.

Hey Don
Have you decided on Florida as the place to live?Beautiful and HOT....Nice because the body does acclimatize...Its when it gets below 70 that I don't like it..

Tony, I don't believe I ever saw it even close to 101 in coastal Florida during the years we spent there. Do you want us to mail you some ice cubes??

Flatus

Has it been going up over the last few weeks?
Our prices went up about $.50 a gal in about three weeks

Oh, yes, the increases have been dramatic.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/iranians-unlike-americans-figh.html#comment-238554

Flatus
Your nice to offer but the ice maker is full..HA HA..Its rare but the last 2 days have been unreal as far as the heat,no daily thunderstorm to cool things and no Atlantic Ocean breeze to speak of...Its still 88 on my lanai ...I hear thunder as I type so maybe a thunder storm now...

Don't ever take up Vologing, 2 still pictures, and some keystrokes will get the job done. Otherwise it's hours and hours of uploading. & editing.

But , having said that , of all the thousands, and thousands of things I have ever made in my life , the next 30 min. I am about to post is the coolest shit I have ever done. I wasn't looking for it, but this must surely be "Blue Corn Karma".

Don1 -
Thanks for throwing some of the darts , I used to hurl. Every month or so we need it, other wise it becomes a coffee buffet.

Bob

I ran across this for a solar oven, called a heat retention oven. Looks like it would make a good solar pizza oven looks to heavey to put on a cart you would have to build it in place.

http://www.webplaces.org/solaroven/index.htm

Jack

Featuring fucking Butternut coffee.

Jack -
Good score , off to read it. I understand this link.

Ms oldseahag,

I meant no offense, quite the opposite. If you wish to be called something else, I will attampt to remember. And, as a caveat, sometimes I fail to remember. Obviously, I screwed up with Marine SolarCrete earlier today.

I've heard that there is no more honorable honorific than to call someone a Marine. Of course, I only heard that from Marines, but I'm sure that no Marine would never exaggerate. Anyway, I hope he forgives me before he kills me. I'd hate to be murdered in anger.

Btw, Chloe is a decent person. I always think that people who successfully act as my successful attorney, and without sending sending me unsightly bills, are very decent people, indeed. As a group, we are probably not as good to Chloe as we ought to be.

Ms bethyboo,

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll have to go back and find out what I did right.

One more thing , I'm going to 500 degrees with my machine on July the 1st. ( If the sun comes up ). That will be the first of 3 days of the " Burn Out " . Driving out the " Volatile Compounds " from the oven.

Then I put this thing in the 4th of July parade here, and we start cooking on it that day.

Too many PHD's have been working on this problem the last 40 years.
One summer in a sheet metal shop when I was 17 , has served me better than 4 years of graduate school.

That was when I got my 2nd head injury.

XR - it was your second paragraph, reminding us of where provocation can lead while revelling in ego-driven tough talk. My feeling that way is that if you're careful with your words, you have a better chance of not eating them or taking them back. Remember, even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if he kept his big mouth shut.

XR

"Ms oldseahag,

I meant no offense, quite the opposite. If you wish to be called something else, I will attampt to remember. And, as a caveat, sometimes I fail to remember. Obviously, I screwed up with Marine SolarCrete earlier today. "

I never bought into all of Marine Corps hype. I am proud that I am one-but that is all. If I had it to do all over again. I would have joined the Air Force- as an Officer.

About you forgetting things. No sweat pal. I understand. I will be your age in a few years-and begin to forget things also. HA! Your par Mr. SolarCrete.

ps I would never murder you. Not as long as Sweetie is alive!!

It's a positive on Ron Paul, on Huffington Post of all places. I think what he's said about the Fed and not being the world's police is catching on with people. Like he says, his message hasn't changed in 30 years.

hi tony, I'm talking to someone in Orlando tomorrow. Yep, I like it down there. The warm just sinks into your bones and it's hard to get things done, but it's pretty and green year round.

Maybe Chicory, or "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street".

Back to work.

That beautiful blog of Montana reminded me of a story I heard yesterday.

My niece's sister-in-law's father-in-law ( just so you know they're real people and not urban myth) went bacpacking with his daughter and son, down in southern california. They found great spot and set up camp. As it got dark, they realized that they were being watched by two greenish eyes, maybe 6 in apart. They made a lot of noise and threw things into the brush, but to no avail. They finally decided not to stay, and got out of there. On the way down, the father fell and broke his leg. Daughter carried their stuff and son carried/helped father, until they got to help.

Sound like fun?

par=pal

Bob

good luck with it.
Just remember the tinkerer motto
"Damn, I thought that would work better than that"

Some ways to cook patty pans.
slice them and use them as a replacement for pasta in you speggetti red.
this works real well if your sauce is like my moms. Some people would call it chili
or
slice it and boil in a bit of water ad a little cheese at the end

The thing about patty pans is they have almost no flavor so they take on the flavor of what ever you put on them.

Jack

Looking back at my 1:31 post, to see what bethyboo liked I found this rotten piece of deception by the inappropriately named 'truthinrealty' :

"Pol Pot Massacre of 1.7 million people, just more of the same, more hand sitting while saying , "Please stop. We like to do more, but no it really isn't our business to step in, however please remember should you survive that we care so very much. Good luck."

The slimey insinuation here is that the Dems are responsible for the mass murderer pol pot. Actually, it was the republican gerry ford administration who sent a weapons and ammo-laden CIA ship Columbia Eagle (at the time the stinking republican gerry ford administration alleged that the ship had been commandeered by dope smokers among the crew) to Cambodian general lon nol, a human paperweight who couldn't fight his way out off of a golf course, who was about to be cashiered. lon nol had been corrupted by the CIA in the hope that he would successfully overthrow Prince Sihanoukh, Cambodia's extremely popular nationalist dictator, who was out of town at the time. lon nol had no support outside of the gerry ford White House and an a corner office in Langley VA, but with the weapons given by the CIA, lon nol managed to secure the airports and the port of Sihanoukville against the return of the Prince. Cambodia, no longer with a sober, competent, popular government, quickly fell to the only other force on the ground, the vile khmer rouge. 2 million dead later, the north Vietnamese chased the khmer rouge to spider holes along the Laotian border.

Thanks, gerry ford and all you other republicans for putting lon nol, and thus pol pot, in charge in Cambodia. May you find the weight of the 2 million souls you doomed so heavy that you quickly join them.

The republicans have not won a war since 1898, and the episode 'truthinrealty' mentioned is a more than usually incompetent exaqmple. Thanks, 'realty' for giving me another opportunity to blow the whistle on you guys.

Btw, the Wikipedia tale of the Columbia Eagle is a CIA hoax.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/latest-updates-on-irans-disputed-election-3/

The NYT plays catch up to Totten and Sullivan. They did capture the most disturbing gaze from Neda Soltan. Mavis Leno seemed at tears on Larry King.

“German Chancellor Angela Merkel has called on Iran to recount the votes of the disputed re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but stopped short of alleging electoral fraud. She also urged Iran to stop using force against demonstrators, free detained opposition members and allow free media reporting.

On Monday, her spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm rejected Tehran's charges of European meddling in Iran's domestic affairs. "We have instead demanded that international laws be upheld," he told reporters in Berlin.” Yahoo

Germany is Iran largest trading partners. Iranians are sending emails to Merkel to really pressure Iran and threaten to suspend trade. Talk is cheap. Der Speigel should put Neda on their cover and ask German corporation why they have no conscience.

“Mottaki criticized the British foreign secretary for his inappropriate and illogical comments on the elections. He blamed British policy for the insecurity and instability in the Middle East “by helping create the Zionist regime decades ago.“
The foreign minister criticized France for what he called irresponsible remarks on the elections and demanded an apology from Paris. Germany also came under criticism as “Berlin’s position on Iran indicated that German officials were intimidated by the Israelis.“ Iran Daily.

But of course this is nonsense. Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have been quite silent and Mottaki forgot his updated talking points. This further shows a breakdown of group mindset.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/22/iran.crown.prince/

The Shah’s son should have reminded the Mullahs they consented to his father’s coup. Under the Shah, British oil was eventually nationalized and despite Savek and his father’s harsh control of political opposition, fewer died than under the clerical regime strangling Iran today.

How did the Shah first come to power?

“In 1909, during the Persian Constitutional Revolution, Howard Baskerville died in Tabriz while trying to help the constitutionalists in a battle against royalist forces. After the American financial consultant Morgan Shuster was appointed Treasurer General of Persia by the Iranian parliament in 1911, an American was killed in Tehran by henchmen thought to be affiliated with Russian or British interests. Shuster became even more active in supporting the Constitutional revolution of Persia financially.[5] When Shu'a al-Saltaneh (شعاع السلطنه), the Shah's brother who was aligned with the goals of Imperial Russia in Persia, was ordered by Iran's government to surrender his assets to it, Shuster was assigned this task, which he promptly moved to execute. Imperial Russia immediately landed troops in Bandar Anzali demanding a recourse and apology from the Persian government. Eventually, Iran's parliament in Tehran was shelled by General Liakhoff of Imperial Russia, and Morgan Shuster was forced to resign under tremendous British and Russian pressure. Shuster's book The Strangling of Persia is a recount of the details of these events, a harsh criticism of Britain and Imperial Russia.

It was the American embassy that first relayed to the Iran desk at the Foreign Office in London confirmation of the popular view that the British were involved in the 1921 coup that brought Mohammad Reza Pahlavi to power.[6][7] A British Embassy report from 1932 admits that the British put Reza Shah "on the throne". The United States was not an ally of Britain as far as Persia was concerned at that point in time.

Morgan Shuster was soon to be followed by Arthur Millspaugh, appointed as Treasurer General by Reza Shah Pahlavi, and Arthur Pope, who was a main driving force behind the Persian Empire revivalist policies of Reza Shah. But the friendly relations between the United States and Iran were about to change at the onset of the 1950s.” Wiki

By the end of WW2 having first defended Iranian nationalists from the Tzar, after resisting British and Russians meddling, after keeping Iran free from both the Nazis and Soviets, the Nixon administration increased Iranian military spending by 680%. Kissinger didn’t even object to the Shah’s plan to build 26 nuclear plants, many on fault lines. With the influx of 30,000 Americans associated with this military build up, nationalists began to get angry over American influence. The Islamic conservatives were already mad.

“In 1964, the United States extracted a Status of Forces Agreement that exempted American military advisers from Iranian law. As a reward, the Shah received $200 million in loans and credits to buy arms. That agreement angered conservative Islamic opponents of the Shah, especially Ayatollah Khomeini.” Answers.com

Carter failed to see the revolution coming with the convergence of Islamic anger and nationalistic resentment with the Shah’s desire to be a significant player in Cold War. Rather than support the Shah while pressuring him to reform or even abdicate more power to the Parliament, Carter pulled the rug out and the convergence of Iranian sentiment catapulted Ayatolla Khomeni into supreme power.

The rest is history. The convergence has become a nightmarish divergence and America by no means is the villain in Iranian history. More than most nations, we have supported Constitutionalism in Iran. Obama is certainly right in shifting the focus from internal politics to the Rights of Man. Neda is a person Obama can address. The time is edging closer to Obama one on one woth Iranians. As an American, as a human and as a defender of justice. Obama is this sense, has got it right.

http://twitter.com/mousavi1388/status/2284258029

How do fight the Supremes craig?

What crushed the Shah was the oil workers strike. An embargo would do the same to the Mullahs, but with Iran the fourth largest oil producer, international greed trumps international justice. Stop gasoline imports. Make the Mullahs pay a price.

What sacrifice will the major powers make in the name of international justice? Over NK? Over Darfur? Over Iran? Over Burma?

What can the West do to press the Chines and Russians when Germany refused to use trade as a weapon dispite the pleas of the Iranian people?

Jack -

"Patty Pans" ?
Do I have to call the dish that ?

How about :
"The White Man's Burden All Giant White Squash, with Garlic" ?

I'm cooking for gun nuts after all. They ain't gonna eat " Patty Pans".

Solar - I'm confused. Can you repeat your email address for me?

Blondewino, How did you re-injure your hand and what does it mean for your recuperation?

XRepublican,
Norodom Sihanouk made himself king for life and in 1965 while LBJ was in office he alligned himself with the Communist Chinese and North Viet Nam. It was not illogical for the US and UN forces to consider him a target for regime change. DOD arrived at this conclusion while a Democrat was President. That Pol Pot fled into the country side under threat of Sihanouk and teamed up with the KR is hardly the complete fault of the Republicans.

The blame for the 2 million come from the absolute retreat mentality that did not take reprocussions into account. The same kind of horror would have followed an early retreat from Iraq. There is blame all around and I find it strange you wish to paint a grim picture of only the side you came from. Is it from one fire into another?

Hell, let's blame it on the French who hated the King, or even the Japanese, who Noam Chomsky said we fought Viet Nam for in order to keep them in the Western camp.

Let's hear your history of Korea, Palestine, Pakistan/India, Bosnia, Darfur, Iraq and even Iran. I would love to hear how Republicans can account for all the mistakes......

Just a thought Xr

" Patty Pans " made from "Peter Pan " squash .

Ain't gonna fly in Texas.

Max -
Whatever they're paying you to post here it ain't enough.

Have you ever considered a job in the sausage industry ? That way that pile of pig lips next to your keyboard, can be used for fun & profit.

I'd say we won Gulf War I under GHWB. That was 1991.

Technically we won Gulf War 2 under GWB, if the goal was regime change.

Or was that Gulf War 3? Hard to keep track of all these wars.

Does the "Cold War" count?

I was just pondering what we could have done to protest the Supreme Court's coronation of King Bush43.
People would have been rounded up and swept up off the streets, incarcerated, brought en masse before a judge who would have fined them and send them home and that would have been it.

Let's all listen John and Sonny while U-Tube takes our crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_CUzuitxSI

I was thinking you should get a dog, Bob. Not for nuthin'.

Sheryl Crow - Mississippi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZedANJA76s

Don't sent me any of your "private emails" with threats, or your public comments about what I post.

It was an aside... had nothing to do with your posts. Dogs are cool is all.

I don't have time for you.

Complaints:

1) Suffolk District Attorney Daniel Conley should STFU right NOW and STOP giving info on the Philip Markoff (med student who was indicted) case. I saw him on Faux news today and couldn't believe my ears. He was blabbing him lips off.

2) Now this place redirects me to some other site. I don't like that 'push' technology.

3) I wrote a whole long, and good I must say, comment last night on this thread and it didn't post. There was this box for posting and after I wrote the whole thing, it said I needed to register. Grrr...

Aside from all that, I'm peachy.

tt

" Cause there's only one thing I did wrong, I stayed in Mississippi a day too long "

Bob Dylan.

P.S. I also hate those ads that descend upon a page I'm trying to read....like this one.

Aside from that, I'm peachy.

tt

May be my imagination, tt, but I don't get the pop-ups and redirects when I'm logged in. Seems someone decided we were entertainment worth paying for.

Wait... "clean coal technology". I see it.

June 21st The Sun Dagger
Well yesterday was the solstice, and all eyes were on Stonehenge. But I was thinking of The Sun Dagger, and Fajada Butte in Chaco Canyon.

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

I think the pop-ups and re-directs are getting better. the one I hated was the Intel stuff and it's gone now.

I don't think I've ever seen a news org caught more
un-prepared than Fox on this business in Iran. They're talking about twitter as if it just came out late last night.

Greta actually made mentioned of this woman (her words) and asked another reporter what he could tell her about this woman. Can you believe it? I guess they've been concentrating on dissing Obama just a little too much.

I sure hope Tiger gets his whatever back.

Tiptoe, Before I submit my posts, I email them to myself.

Cbob - did you see Chloe's post re a place to have your feral cats tgrapped, spayed, neutered? They would be returned, probably, to your place, but never to reproduce again.

Thanks Dark Lord........

Funny Bob, I think I posted a link to Neda's picture a bit before the media hailed it as the poster of the year. While the image built up fury (though not a whisper from Merkel) I was writing a letter to Der Spiegel asking why they don't run it as a cover and ask why German corporations representing the largest trading partner of Iran doesn't do something. Even a parrot could see that obvious hypocrisy.

When asked what my brilliant next move would be, I said I hoped Obama would speak of the elemnts of the Rights of Man he so cleverly injected into his Cairo Speech. First Netanyahu the wiping boy and mow those Brits. Despite my talk of liberty, from the start until now, I think Obama has been playing this about right, though at some point Reagan's Speech in support of Solidarity might be in order.

And here is another irony that escapes a parrots view: I suggested long ago that the WORKERS could shut down oil in Iran which was how the Shah lost out. Unions baby. That was Reagan's key to Poland and the start of the unraveling. And this from a parrot....While Unions are sinking here and God knows Chavez hates them with a passion more than Uribe, we see in Iran their utility. I was not alone in this prescription however:

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/93615.html

One reason to post on this topic Bob is to help shatter some partisan myths. Our assumptions color our expectations. Take this article posted at the Liberal blog CommonDreams

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/22-0

The articles begin with an arrogant lectured aimed at all who will disagree with the writer, backed up by a series of falsehoods. In somequrters these untruths have become honest mythology. Can we count all the false claims?

To address just a few: the British installed the Shah as a prior post of my showed. Not the Americans. The Mullajs backed the Shah in '53. Americans help defend the founding Constitutionalists in the early 1900s and Mosaddeq abused Parlimnetary and Constitutional law. He was given to crying during speeches and was ignorant of the extent the Soviets had penetrated his political wing. His nationalizing without compensation would have spellled the doom of his hopes. This article is such a perversion of facts I think there is only one regular poster here who would praise it as absolute truth.

In another marvelous hit piece, CommonDreams blast Obama's right turn and his nafarious meddling in Pakistan and afghanistan:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/06/22-7

This is probably closer to your views Bob, yes?
Against this intellectual anti-intellectualism stands artisits and journalist like this: http://www.thestoning.com/

For the confused I recommend http://www.iranrights.org/english/document-604.php

And for this Bob, I ask for no money at all. Save it for your crackers.....

Every step of the way
We walk the line
Your days are numbered
So are mine

Time is piling up
We struggle and we scrape
All boxed in
Nowhere to escape

The city's just a jungle
More games to play
I'm trapped in the heart of it
Trying to get away

I was raised in the country
Been working in the town
I been in trouble since I
Set my suitcase down

I ain't got nothing for you
I had nothing before
Don't even have anything
For myself anymore

Sky's full of fire
And the rain is pouring down
There's nothing you can sell me
So I'll see you around

All my powers of expression
And thoughts so sublime
Could never do you justice
Reason or rhyme
There's only one thing that I did wrong
I stayed in Mississippi a day too long

The devil's in the alley
The mule kickin' in the stall
Say anything you wanna
I've heard it all
I was thinking about the things that she said
I was dreaming I was sleeping in you bed

Walking through the leaves
Falling from the trees
Feel like a stranger nobody sees
So many things we never will undo
I know you're sorry, well I'm sorry too

Some people will offer you their hand and some won't
Last night I knew you, tonight I don't
I need something strong to distract my mind
I'm gonna look at you till my eyes go blind

Well I got here, following the southern star
I crossed that river just to be where you are
There's only one thing that I did wrong
I stayed in Mississippi a day too long

Well my ship's been split to splinters
I's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison
Got no future
Got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for those who've sailed with me

Everybody's moving if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Well stick with me baby anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now

My clothes are wet
Tight on my skin
Not as tight as the corner that I painted myself in
I know that fortune is waiting to be kind
So give me your hand and say you'll be mine

The emptiness is endless
Cold as clay
You can always come back
But you can't come back all the way

Well there's only one thing that I did wrong
I stayed in Mississippi a day too long
Yeah the only thing that I did wrong
Was stayed in Mississippi a day too long
The only thing that I did wrong
Was stayed in Mississippi a day too long

Mississippi -
Bob Dylan

You are cutting edge Max . No doubt about it.

After further thought, Bob, no, I won't let it drop. I won't sit silently while you use this blog as an outlet for your narcissism and force those here who care about you (me included) to worry about you committing suicide once a week. You need help. I recommended a dog, because they're the next best thing to a human, as far as company goes, sometimes even better depending on the crowd with whom you run. The great thing about dogs is you can treat them like shit and they'll still love you, as long as you feed them.

If you can't handle that, then you need to see a doctor and possibly get medicated. Your late-night diatribes are cries for help... this is the best I can do, or at least the most I'm willing to do. More than you'd like, I realize. Oh well.

"Featuring fucking Butternut coffee. "

..... as long as it's not hazelnut, it's ok with me.

bethyboo...my hand is still recovering and I used it to much..the soft tissue injury isn't ready for prime time, yet. My next appt. is July 1st and I hope they set me free or give me therapy. Both work for me and thank you for asking!

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