Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

speech had a pretty good ending.... imho.... nice touch especially for that particular audience.

btw, yee haw

craig, disagree that "his most controversial words at home" will be about the war... it will be about the peace and the promises made and required to attain it.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23252.html

"A sheep in Wolffe's clothing?"

"Far from vaulting him to the top ranks of the profession — as happened to White and a parade of other reporters with intimate access to winning presidential candidates —Wolffe’s Obama journey ended with him out of mainstream political reporting, making his living as a public relations operative.

And far from being the toast of Newsweek, which once built its franchise around reporters who were close to the powerful, Wolffe now has a frosty relationship with his former employer."

where's everyone? still soaring in the afterglow of the speech?

The Administration's task must be the exploitation of the Obama speech; his words could well have been from God's mouth, but if, through Administration inattention, our detractors are permitted to recharacterize his words, it will all have been for naught.

good morning, tony.... looks like everyone else is caught up in the rapture.

and good morning to you, flatus. agree that they have their work cut out for them and they better get to it asap

oldsea, bet your 94th info was welcome to this study on the newly found and reported 20,000 nazi camps.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/03/AR2009060303690.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Again Pres. Obama delivers an excellent speech--beyond that--not sure that it is more than just that.

But now comes the usual media fawning that implies much more than it really was.

Tony, I had Newsweek in 'time-out' for a year because of their unseeming support for a candidate in the last election. I just removed them from that purgatory.

Their magazine is now unreadable. I simply can't read the small print. And the lack of contrast between print and art results in illegibility of what they intend to convey.

It's a mess. So I'm going to drop it completely after many years as a subscriber.

yes... it was an excellent speech....
and since our standing in the world was my number one issue during the primaries and the election..... I am very pleased....

and yes.... actions must now follow the words....
but no matter what the right wing criticism will be.... at least he didn't start his relationship with the Middle East with hostile words like "you know who"...

and on a media note I watched it on CNN..... they had on Christiane Amanpour and Robin Wright afterwards for analysis.... I briefly turned on MSNBC to see who they had on..... Liz Cheney..... what a joke....
I immediately tuned in back on CNN....

Howard Kurtz---thank you very much.

"The Cairo Moment"

"Barack Obama loves the big speech.

The media also love a big speech

And this morning's address in Cairo definitely qualifies as a big-deal speech.

But are speeches enough when it comes to the tangled, treacherous, tribal warfare of the Middle East?

It seems to me that expectations are way out of control."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html?hpid=topnews

here's the transcript for those of us who need words in print in order to read between the lines.... happy parsing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/04/AR2009060401117.html?hpid=topnews

fitting phrase at end of speech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-Salamu_Alaykum

just went to firedoglake....

they are saying that MSNBC stands for Must Show Nothing But Cheney.....
ROTFLMAO!

C-SPAN Video of Obama speech now posted above

Thanks for the link to speech...may you have a full day of not craving a cig, Craig. PaBu even liked the speech!

No matter what, when you put Obama up against a Newt, a Karl or a Rush, he really does stand above them.

patd, i linked to full text in first paragraph with original post. don't need no "stinkin Wapo" -- LoL

coreen:

"But are speeches enough when it comes to the tangled, treacherous, tribal warfare of the Middle East?"

Speeches are part of the process. Of course much action is also needed. But if you do not set the right debate - and put aside some of the misinformation and animosity - you will simply go around in circles.

Also - I think a speech like this has a lot more impact on the Muslim street than it does in America. We have been hearing Obama's Foreign Policy for as long as he has been on the campaign trail.

But I suspect, many Muslims have heard far less - and have also heard twisted characterizations of his words. This is his chance to communicate directly with millions of Muslims and set aside many misconceptions. So on that level - I think the speech is significant.

Wow. I had only seen bits and pieces.

And patd - you're right. That was a really good ending. Not only for the live audience - but for the world as he quoted scripture from the 3 major religions:

We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written.

The Holy Koran tells us, "O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another."

The Talmud tells us: "The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace."

The Holy Bible tells us, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

(I hope the Buddhists or Hindus don't feel slighted ; )

The people of the world can live together in peace. We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth. Thank you. And may God's peace be upon you.

It really pays to pick the right parents. Sasha and Malia are flying to Paris. My parents just took me to Phoenix.

The location for the speech was just as important as the words. He was speaking to the street, but even more he was speaking to the future. It might not work, but at least the attempt is there to change hearts enough to negotiate a better life for all.

A view of the right. The New Republic rakes Arianna Huffington over the coals

http://www.powells.com/review/newrep.html?utm_source=review-a-day&utm_source=review-a-day&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_campaign=rad_20090604&utm_content=Partner%20IMG

Foreign Policy blog: Passport

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/

David Carradine has passed away at 73

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525069,00.html

Geez...David Carradine...suicide?

I saw David with Barbara Hershey at a judo exhibition in Colorado in the 1970s...he was very high on drugs at the time and I can still see him somewhat slumped and hanging on to Barbara.

So long, Grasshopper!

Passing comment on CNN. 44% of all Egyptians live on less than $2 a day. Economic downturn means even more joblessness. Egypt second only to Israel of US support. Lack of work and funds pushing more young people towards extremism.

Has over population and poverty around the world now become the greatest inclination toward crime and terrorism?

On MSNBC, Norah O'Donnell interviewed Warren Richey, who today reported in the Christian Science Monitor on the oral argument in the Second Circuit in the Ricci case. The interview yet again exposed the deep ignorance of the Media. O'Donnell in particular argued that Sotomayor was an "advocate" in the case. Richey made the inaccurate statement that it is "unusual" for cases such as Ricci to be decided by summary order. Tom Goldstein has already debunked this false claim:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/6/4/95359/62605

Noron oy vey

Tell them if they ever need any thing just donate enough to Chris Dodd & he will take care of it.

hey flatus.......did you know that that "up into R for Race" joke was on one of Brother Dave Gardiner's records early sixties?
Either "Rejoice Dear Hearts" or "Kick Thine Own Self".

Thy own self.......

http://www.amazon.com/Rejoice-Dear-Hearts-Kick-Self/dp/B0000064F6

Early Bird predictions 2010 Senate races

http://www.npr.org/blogs/politicaljunkie/2009/06/earlybird_ratings_of_2010_sena.html#more

Listened to as much as I could before work. Yeah, Obama was good, as usual. What I was listening for was the response from the audience. I would swear I could feel tension in the room every time he said anything pro-anything-but-Muslim-male. I think his speech was not about the US in general, but about Obama's America, specifically. It did nothing to make me feel any warmer toward those countries.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233230

Renee,

Noron makes me crazy. She constantly injects her own opinion into stories and manages to make major factual errors at regular intervals. I usually turn over to CNN when she comes on

jamie wrote - "Has over population and poverty around the world now become the greatest inclination toward crime and terrorism?" Yep; fewer people = less competition for resources = less stress on the system. As Bill Maher says, "people, the problem that won't go away."

Interesting that he gave the speech in a country that is functionally a dictatorship the US is propping up, much like Saud'i Arabia and Kuwait. That is what the street has been complaining about for years.

In Turkey women were treated very well in the 70's, were often managers and they have had a female prime minister. Not all Muslims are like the Arab Muslims.

Obama also showed his knowledge of important Muslim tenets, like Zakat. That alone will send an important message.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233240

Blue,

You can't have good wages or peace in an economy where there are more people than jobs. We are fast approaching a condition world wide where about half the human beings will be totally unnecessary and nothing but mouths to feed. The wealthier nations with advanced education can fend off the inevitable by supporting those who can't find work but that can't last forever.

Norah makes me crazy too (but probably for different reasons ; )

Maybe the Palin's can start preaching worldwide abstinence as the solution. : )

Oh, the superfluous apostrophe...I saw it the second I hit the submit button. Drat.

Conan O'Brien decided that YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook will merge into YouTwit Face?

Global warming is injecting more energy into our climate system and weather is going to keep getting more extreme. Drier droughts, bigger hurricanes, more tornadoes, and worse blizzards.

Starvation is going to be more about fewer crops making it to harvest than jobs and productivity. That's why the Pentagon started running it through war game simulations years ago.

Shimon Peres' take on Mid-East peace:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6426591.ece

Rove claiming it is all about the economy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124407228244683091.html

The good news about this, is that maybe the GOP will take the blowfish's lead and try to sabotauge Obama's efforts on the economy instead of focusing their energy on sabotaging Obama's foreign policy.

(Especially given my belief that President's have tremendous control over foreign affairs - while their impact on the economy is overestimated by almost everyone, usually including the President.)

Well enough of all this "social networking" ... buzz buzz the buzzword until it goes away. I have grocery shopping to do.

Thought for the day :
" The laborer is worthy of his hire, if his labor is. "

-----------------
Sometimes these "Thought for the Day " quotes really stink.

1924 Dennis Weaver Joplin Mo, actor (Chester-Gunsmoke, Duel, Battered)

1070 Roquefort cheese created in a cave near Roquefort, France
1783 Montgolfier brothers launch 1st hot-air balloon (unmanned)
1784 Mme Thible becomes 1st woman to fly (in a balloon)
1896 Henry takes his 1st Ford through streets of Detroit
1912 Massachusetts passes 1st US minimum wage law
1919 Senate passes Women's Suffrage bill
1940 British complete miracle of Dunkirk by evacuating 300,000 troops
1940 German forces enter Paris
1942 Battle of Midway begins; Japan's 1st major defeat in WW II
1965 Rolling Stones release "Satisfaction"
1984 Bruce Springsteen releases "Born in the USA"
1990 Greyhound Bus files bankruptcy

" And a man comes on and tells me out white my shirts could be .......

I can't get no, I can't get no, Satisfaction "

Max,

This persona addressing you now does not belong to the person who uses the persona "xrepublican", nor any other participant here, nor the host. That fact has been related to you numerous times in the past, both here and in a private email. One would assume one so perceptive and enlightened, such as yourself, would realize this, but apparently that is not the case. If one spent more time reading the entire thread rather than one's own posts, perhaps one would have drawn that conclusion earlier. The Dark Lord is amused, in light of your frequent characterization of other participants here as "stupid", that you are the only one who does not realize this.

"Lord Skoffington" was a thrice repeated attempt, perhaps because he thought is was too clever to go unnoticed, by the aforementioned participant who defines himself by what he is not, to bait yours truly into an internet squabble, unsuccessfully at that. The genuine-faux-blue-blood of this congregation couldn't care less about whatever it is of which you two speak, and thinks you make a great pair without any interference from him. So let's leave it at that.

Concerning the original topic of this particular thread, and it's title, the Dark Lord thinks the host is a sucker for a good speech. Remember "Palinomania"?

craig, sorry re wapo, was in too much of a hurry to get my "yee haw" in before sturge woohooed so only skimmed your intro and didn't see the transcript.... my bad

Rolling Stones - Satisfaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MejtR81RzCo

"Sometimes these "Thought for the Day " quotes really stink."

Then stop plagiarizing them.

"I hope the Buddhists or Hindus don't feel slighted"

warren, don't know hindu likely response, but my buddhist friends, if they respond at all, might mutter something about all is illusion, nothingness and cravings cause suffering then return to lotus, breathing in and breathing out.

laughing evolution
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8083230.stm

"Obama's Cairo speech rabbis"

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/

I'm reserving judgement on Obama's speech until I've heard what OBL has to say about it. Since he is the foremost authority on the Muslim world.

As always Corey cuts to the heart of the matter -

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233262

Time to go make sparks.

Good article from the Economist on the downfall of the auto industry: Detroitosaurus Wrecks

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=13783014

good title, jamie

Gay penguins raising adopted chick

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8081829.stm

afternoon -

one of those days that I am running hither and yon -

But right now, ahhhhh. Reading today's comments, listening to JJ Cale's latest album - really like it, it coulda been written in the 70s and you couldn'of told the difference. "Down to Memphis", "Who Knew" and "Where the Sun Don't Shine" are my faves so far, but no clinkers in there at all. Life is good.

Warren, maybe we should call him Rove the Seer. Someone should tell him the future is so much easier to predict if you wait until it becomes the present to try.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/business/economy/05econ.html?_r=1&hpw

Well that was a brief, but welcome, respite from the hither and yon wanderings, which will resume apace. Have a good afternoon, evening, night - whatever.

"hey flatus.......did you know that that "up into R for Race" joke was on one of Brother Dave Gardiner's records early sixties?"

Sturg, I thought I had heard from a co-worker back in the late 50s, a fellow (RIP) named Stu Donaldson.

He also told me about this fellow racing down the road in his Cadillac convertible when he comes across a guy in a broken down Model A. Realizing that no one would likely be passing by for a while, he stopped and offered the guy a tow which was gratefully accepted.

Then, it was back on the road again! Wasn't long before he forgot about the Model A.

A while later he passed by a billboard where a town constable was hiding. Zoom!

The constable grabbed his radio and called headquarters. "You won't believe what I just saw. I'm sitting here and this Cadillac goes by doing at least 90. And, there's a Model A on his tail honking for the road!!"

Darn it Jamie, yousimply must issue a spoiler alert when you leak an Economist article before Saturday--the day the print edition arrives. :)

Warren thanks for that Simon Peres link,,,,,keep it around for Max to read

Well it looks like Pres,,Obama has gone and pissed of the Radical Israeli's that live in the occupied territories illegaly,,,they won't want to move back to Israel,,,,,and Netanyahu just lost this one,,,,Great going Obama,,,here is a weak reasoning that they give for staying

Israeli Officials Cite Bush Deal on Settlement Expansion
Interior Minister Promises to See Further Expansions Made

As domestic anger grows over the Obama Administration’s calls for Israel to freeze the growth of West Bank settlements, Israeli officials are citing “clear understandings” made with the Bush Administration starting in late 2002, in which the former President supposedly agreed that the settlements could continue to be expanded within certain boundaries.

Yet Bush-era officials disagreed, saying that the Israeli characterization was “an overstatement” of what that administration had promised. The “road map” the Israeli government signed in 2003 calls for a total freeze on settlement activity, and doesn’t mention any exceptions. Israeli officials say the pledges were simply never written down.

Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai called for the government to “stand up for our principles” and promised to use his office to ensure the continued expansion of settlements in the West Bank. He called for leaders from the settlements to pressure other members of the cabinet for similar pledges.

The Obama Administration has sought a two-state solution involving territory swaps, which would be complicated by the continued expansion of the settlements during negotiations. Israeli officials slammed the plan as “childish and stupid” and have continually promised to ignore the president’s demands.

Forgot to comment on this thread Craig,,,,,,,he did hit out of the park,,,,,,,now all he has to do,,is to keep his word,,,show me,,will be the kind of attitudes that he will get in the M E,,,me,,,I loved it!

BTW flatus, went back later and saw the joke. Thanks for sharing.

Solar, just got an email from Ron Paul endorsing his son for Kentucky Senate. This is going to be fun to watch.

One thing Obama has going for him is that no one knows if he's bluffing or not. Congress is already fearing for their positions for life, sending a letter to Obama. I'm glad to see him shake it up and speaking plainly of issues hidden in the back closet for decades.

Remember when Howard Dean had to apologize because he said he'd be a fair arbiter in the Israeli/Palestinian dispute?

Don

Thanks ,,,going to start to pay attention to Rand Paul,,,like I said,,,if the runs,,more or less on the same ideals,,that RP did,,,I don;t care if he is an R..he will be able to get people from the middle to pay attention,,,,I hope that he is not painted ,,like his father,,or like the D's,,,Dennis K

I would like you opinion on this,,,

,There are countrys that we get along with,,and need their friend ship.,,,, but not like China.we absolutley need them,,( we are Buddy's now?)..and they need us now,,,they have invested way too much $ in the US to stop now,they will give us all the $ we want,( they can't afford for us to fail),,and Obama is going to take it,,,and they are on the side of Pakistan,and Iran, as against India,Israel,,( India I would think would be our new best friend but no longer,,we need China,,,more than we do Israel,,,or Brittan,,or anyone.,,that what the wars have done to us,,,they made us dependent on one of the Axis of Evil country's,,,,Funny no,,,or is this Ironic?

About Pakistan,,,and Afghanistan,,,we are spending about 6 Bil,,,a year? for how long do you want us to stay in there( and maybe China wants us there,,and out of Iran,,again???),,,20-30 years,,,,15??,,,Question,,,when we do leave,,,what will those countries look like?( they about one dollar and a half now to live on a day,, what will they live on,after a few more years of war?,they will not have any economy,,,,,,,there will not be any villages,,cities,(,I don't think),,to pay any taxes,( I think that thers in only about 900 mil,,in taxes paid to the government now?),,how will the government support its self,,,,,they won't be able too,,,so we will have too,,,,while all of thier ( leaders) 'smart' politicians,,,get rich of the American tax $ that we send them,,,,meanwhile we will still be in Iraq,,,,,,,,,given all of these scenarios,,,don't U think that we should pull all of the $,,,troops,,,and shut down some bases,,would be good for us??

We see that lord passiveaggressington has launched yet another prideful attack, this time on maxtrue. The former plays the pitiful victim of a (remarkably insignificant) slight by maxtrue, and simultaneously insinuates that maxtrue is stupid, forgetful, and self-centered. As his coup de ingrace, the aggressor claims that it is max, rather than the drab lord bilgeington, who should be paired with me. I assume that this last is supposed to be an insult. However, I am sure that maxtrue and I are both relieved to read this revelation in lurid snarkington's conclusion.

Maxtrue, you have apology, for being so presumtuous as to pretend to think your thoughts. Anyway, it is an honor to be so abused, maxtrue, considering the character of your attacker : proud of his insincere personna, generous in self-preening.

pres. obama does give a helluva speach
i was about ready to convert to islam myself

Pat,

,,U went from playing with kittens,,,and now U R tickling Gorillas?
and Bears too,,,but U wouldn't see me tickling them,,,what will you type with,,toes?

Solar Crete,

So many questions ! Really tough ones, too.

Oddly, we find commie China in the position that we played since WWII : we lend a country $$ so that they can buy our grain, weapons, movies, jetliners, and communications/spy services.

Now commie China lends us $$ so that we can buy their clothes, electronics, and happy meals figures. And food. I've been seeing red Chinese fish and canned goods in the grocery stores around here.

My conclusion from this is that sometimes the enemy is a friend in spite of himself.

Our war in Afghanistan may draw militant Uighurs away from red China, but I doubt that it would be more than a handful. The Uighur militans seem focused on the 1300 years of insults hurled at them and Islam by the Han people in general, and the 80 years of insults crafted by the history-worshipping commies in particular.

Our war against the taliban and alqaeda does bring some relief to Iran's theocrats, who would otherwise be faced with an anti-Shi'a Crusade on their eastern border.

My conclusion from this is that sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your enemy.

g1 mqw

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233276

Flatus,

They love me enough to send an email on Thursday. Just spreading the affection or affectation :-)

Thanks XR,,,,you can drop,,the Crete ,,,any time that you want to,,,U still in the formal mode,,,,if you don't,,,please ad a Mr.in front of it,,,or Senor,,,,

It is complicated, but it will have to be sorted all out.,,,but we are going to support them for a long,,,,long time,,,,

I was just talking to someone with a military intel background about that the other day Solar. Neither one of us are worried about China. We're not friends, but China isn't imperialistic. So we'll be business and economic partners but I doubt we'll see any military threat. They are very, very smart businessmen though, so hold on to your wallet.

I think people will get tired of sending money to Afghanistan fairly quickly. But Afghanistan and Pakistan have a common enemy in the Taliban that we don't like either, and Pakistan has nukes. I expect the US to be involved in fighting extreme Taliban elements as long as they're alive, we can't afford for them to have power in Pakistan and have access to nuclear weapons.

Iran doesn't have a history of imperialism either. After 9/11 they went out of their way to help us capture Al Queda. There are a lot of Persians with family here in the US and in general the people like us. They are absolutely correct in stating that under the non-proliferation treaty they have a right to use nuclear power. Fareed Zakaria listed several reasons he doesn't thing they'll develop nuclear weapons in an article a while back. They do want to have protection and they'd like the US to stop screwing with them though, and I think they'll take any steps necessary to make that happen. We've been causing grief and death in their country since the 1950's, as Obama pointed out today. We gave Hussein the chemicals to make chemical weapons to drop on their civilians. It will be a long time before we trust each other.

People point out Ahmadinejad's beliefs about the Holocaust and the second coming, but Ahmadinejad has very little power in Iran and that is decreasing daily. I think Obama could open the door to full relations with Iran and many of these obstacles could be overcome after that. Iran needs our help in developing their oil fields, their technology is behind. But like many middle easterners the more you push the more they're going to push back out of pride. That's why I like Obama's approach.

Israel will get recognition of statehood from all arab states if they'll move forward on resolving the Palestinian issue. How Bibi freezes settlements and holds together his coalition government will be the question. I think all the countries in that area are tired of the fighting. Yes, they have a long history. But at the end of the day people want to live, love, eat, and raise children in every country.

After all the Hispanic not Hispanic talk the other day about Cardoza, look who is Sotomayor's favorite justice:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/legal_beat/2009/06/sotomayors-favorite-justice-ca.html

It looks as if Prez could walk like an egyptian, just check out the ears.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/06/04/obama_discovers_an_ancient_lik.html?wprss=44

Don,,,,and XR

Thanks for taking the time,,,for your answers,,,lot there in reply,,,

What I said a few months ago,,and was laughed at by max,,,and now looks like I like it more and more ,,,is a nuclear mtls bank,,I think that it would be an easy way to control,,and would take out the threat of any gov. selling giving,,to terrorist?

Craig,

You are in the immediate vicinity. What is Terry McAuliff doing wrong? Are there still those holding grudges from the Presidential race?

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/06/04/deeds_surges_in_virginia.html

OBL wasn't swayed by President Obama's speech, but this is good news as OBL felt he had to make back to back announcement to try to counter our President's trip and the speech he gave in Cairo. OBL must be feeling some heat.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKTRE55333D20090604?sp=true

Do you smoke marijuana?
Daily 54%
Few times a week 21%
Rarely 11%
Used to 9%
Never 5%

Number of votes cast: 14970
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/

Jamie

I think people dislike McAuliffe all on his own/

Solar,
Yeah, even here it's hard to go into all the details. Books and books have been written about the subjects.

Iran was told we'd drop all sanctions if a western country like France controlled all of the uranium. They'd mine it (they have exclusive rights in parts of Africa) process it, bring it in and install it, then remove it once it was done. Iran said no. Kind of like the two year old that says he can do it himself. And so far they have.

They were also a free reactor that didn't need uranium. Again, no dice. So they have caused a lot of their own problems. On the other hand, they're right. The NPT does give them the right to do what they're doing.

I'm a lot more worried about NK now. Weapons is become a very important part of their economy, and they don't care who they sell to. At one time I thought they were just trying to get leverage in negotiations, now I'm changing my mind.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker 5:30 PM

Those numbers seem a little high.

Hey-O!

Just came across something fascinating. My son likes to collect old books. Not valuable ones, just old that strike his fancy. I was leafing through an 8th grade reader that was in use in schools in 1925 and found the poem below. 84 years later it stands as testimony to the way America should treat the world and where recently we have gone so far astray.

The Land Where Hate Should Die
Dennis McCarthy

This is the land where hate should die
No feuds of faith, no spleen of race
No darkly brooding fear should try
Beneath our flag to find a place.
Lo! every people here has sent
Its sons to answer freedom's call;
Their lifeblood is the strong cement
That builds and binds the nation's wall.

This is the land where hate should die
Though dear to me my faith and shrine,
I serve my country well when I
Respect the creeds that are not mine.
He little loves the land who'd cast
Upon his neighbor's word a doubt,
Or cite the wrongs of ages past
From present rights to bar him out.

This is the land where hate should die
This is the land where strife should cease,
Where foul, suspicious fear should fly
Before the light of love and peace.
Then let us purge from poisoned thought
That service to the state we give
And so be worthy as we ought
Of this great land in which we live.

KGC

I like Terry. I always looked forward to him being interviewed. He made me laugh. This past campaign, a reason to laugh was a good thing.

"Ahmadinejad has very little power in Iran and that is decreasing daily. "

From what I have read,,,he is just about out,,,,and just in time,,,cos the people know that he,,caused that country nothing but harm,,,with his ill chosen comments.

Ditto,,on NK,,,I alway's thought that they,,,not the civillians,,,Im always on their side,,,were nut jobs,,,,it is like some small 5 ft. tall person that wants to pick on 6' 4 inch guy named Jack,,and for years just barks,,,and barks at him,,,,,when he takes a little nip ,,,then its time to slap him around a little.,,,but once again,,our new buddy China,,,can get this done for us,,,no?,,,they could snuff them out like candles on a B cake,,if they messed around with them.,,

Do you think that some people( intelligent ones) reach a point in their lives ,,,when they think that they don't want to be part of this life any more,,David Caradine ,,if he committed suicide,,,was one of these people,,,,,I thought the same,,with that rich,,game show host that committed suicide,,(forgot his name now) I mean,,,is there a point where they say,,,I know all that I want to know,,,have lived the life that I wanted,,,,so...???

I recorded Cnn,,,,and today they looked like a new organization,,,very good conerage,about Obamas speach,,,,Cristine Amanpour ,is great,,,,and Rick Sanchez,,is starting to be a must watch show,,,,but I just swithced shut it off,,gonna watch the locals,,,,I like Liz Cheney,,,as much as I like her Mother,,and Father,,,zip,,,I won't listen to them period!

Sorry,,,,did not give U any warning,,about switching subjects,,,,XR,,,cat got your tongue,?

Jaime

Too bad for Terry you don't vote in Virginia.

Remember all the posturing when Gillibrand was appointed.
It looks like she is going to be unopposed in the primary.
And Paterson seems to be doing just fine as well.

flate.....they could have been late fifties albums, or he might just be the first one to put it on an album.....he got busted for pot in 62 i believe it was and no more career.......but another story on one of those albums was the one about the guy on the motorcycle with his girlfriend on the back.....she was cold so he stopped and had her put his motorcycle jacket on backwards turning the collar up......they got into a wreck......the punchline was the bystanders telling the police what happened and saying "miss daisy was alright till Junior turned her head around...."

My great-nephew Mark was interviewed when he brought flowers to the church where Dr. Tiller was killed.

http://www.ksn.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=444@ksnw.web.entriq.net&articleID=414

Jamie & KGC,

How can you not like Terry M? He's great ! He is, however, a bullshitter extraordinaire. Maybe it's those talents that will get him elected.

DW and I use to get a kick out of his 'no sweat here' interviews during last year's primaries. She dubbed him "baghdad bob" McAuliffe after the war minister who was the most upbeat optimist of Sadam's people as the bombs fell and the walls literally crumbled in the background. :-)

The 400-Lb. Catch Of The Day

Tom Stienstra catches a fish as big as a small car. Even the Sturgeon General's impressed!
http://www.sfgate.com/

The Sturgeon General lol

Rez/Jamie

Terry's been ahead in the polls until recently. Apparently Nader has been stalking him and the press coverage seems to have turned on him.

The new SurveyUSA poll in Virginia finds former DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe still ahead in this Tuesday's Democratic primary for governor -- contrary to a Public Policy Polling (D) survey yesterday that showed him slipping into second place behind state Sen. Creigh Deeds.

The numbers: McAuliffe 35%, Deeds 29%, and former state Del. Brian Moran 26%, with a ±4.4% margin of error. Two weeks ago, SurveyUSA had the race as McAuliffe 37%, Deeds 26%, and Moran 22%.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/new-poll-says-mcauliffe-still-ahead-in-virginia-dem-primary----but-race-is-up-in-the-air.php

it dont take a brain sturgeon to impress the sturgeon general.......lol

KGC, I wonder if it's winner take all or do they have a runoff.

Just found this about VA on 538

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_602531.pdf

They are calling it a toss up.

Depression is an insidious illness solar. It can make you feel that life is just not worth living and sneak up so slowly you never know it's happened.

I guess you didn't see my smart alek response to your post about just getting out and exercising. Depression has many different faces and depths.

Rez

No run off

Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham 5:41 PM

Ah, so that was a user-poll of visitors to the pressdemocrat.com site. The numbers make more sense now.

thx for letting me be lazy.

“Terry McAuliffe may have a lot of big money for his campaign, but don’t let that hide the truth. The truth is, Terry McAuliffe led the campaign that ran the ‘3 a.m.’ attack ad against Barack Obama,” the ad states. “McAuliffe worked to put up the ads that questioned Obama’s ability to be president. The fact is, if Terry McAuliffe had his way, Barack Obama wouldn’t be our president today.”

Damn the VA dems are getting mean and nasty.

Ah, so that was a user-poll of visitors to the pressdemocrat.com site. The numbers make more sense now. Dark lord

The Press Republican has been running s series of polls on pot. Out here people not only smoke pot, a lot of people grow pot for personal use.

Hrm... wonder if that has anything to do with the economic crisis on the west coast. Everybody getting lit can't help. Surely there are a plethora of other factors at work...

Hrm... wonder if that has anything to do with the economic crisis on the west coast. Everybody getting lit can't help.

Marijuana use has nothing to do with the current economic situation in California except as a possible source of tax revenue

The same number of people were smoking pot at the same rates during the good times.

Smoking everyday is the same as having a cocktail everyday. It doesn't mean you are lit for the day.

Don,,,,,,thanks ,,and I agree,,,but what I meant,,,was,,,depression aside,,,and anything else,,I think that some small % of the ones that take their own lives,,,,are just saying,,ok ,,,I have had a great life,,im satisfied,,I feel that I know certain things (feelings that make me feel this way,,no need to have other people understand me,,,goodbye,,??? nothing seemed to be wrong with that tv game host,,,and some others,,no reports of depression or anything.,,,,and no I did not see that smart alek remark,,,I over did it today,,and will be depressed cos im sore.!

,what part of NC are you in? I spent some time around Jacksonvile,,,all of the poolhalls and bars that is HA!,,I made a living at the 8 ball room.

Going dancing tonight to celebrate a friend's birthday.

We will be dancing at the Pink Elephant to the Thugz for anyone in the neighborhood

http://www.thethugz.net/

"It doesn't mean you are lit for the day."
Yeah, but I bet you sure are hungry. :)

Obama's re-election may hang on the economy by 2012, but I can't see any way Hillary loses the next time she runs. Great review of her work in State on Hardball tonight.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker June 4, 2009 7:26 PM

Yeah, but a lot of jobs worth having conduct drug testing. It's interesting that the states most tolerant of marijuana (WA, OR, CA) seem to have pronounced unemployment statistics and dire economic prospects. Causal or co-incidental? Hrm...

Hey U

Today regular gas was $2.75 and premium over $3.00
If something doesn't happen to slow the increase in gas prices the economy will stay in the tank

Funny hearing people talk about the possible revenue from marijuana in California. There are hundreds of 'dispensaries' in Los Angeles alone, all paying state taxes.

I'm in the Sandhills, but I'll probably be taking off soon for a new adventure. I do contract website work. Right now Georgia and Florida seem to be up. I have enough work to just telecommute but I get bored working alone all of the time. Too bad Craig doesn't need a good webmaster on that river camp. Have satellite, will travel.

Hey U!

the darklord uses reductio ad absurdum to make a straw point. What a pile of poop. The dark lord must be out of pot.

"I can't see any way Hillary loses the next time she runs."

Don, She'll be almost 70. Do you think she'll run?

...just wondering aloud is all.

:-)))) today?

The dark lord may be out of pot, but he sure has been making me laugh.

Always solar.... :))))
.... even when you accuse me of not being. :))))

"If something doesn't happen to slow the increase in gas prices the economy will stay in the tank"

KC, I think the only thing that's going to bring slow the increase is winter.

"Have satellite, will travel. "

... wow, that sounds like nice work.

Carol,

The Valero convenience store here has half price drinks between eleven and four. I saw a big banner out front today that said: HALFY HOUR! 11-4.

I enjoyed the kitty video you linked.

The dispensaries are only a tiny part of the business of pot in California.

Chloe

The summer driving season is just an excuse the raise prices.

"It's interesting that the states most tolerant of marijuana (WA, OR, CA) seem to have pronounced unemployment statistics"

In Texas, you're caught with a joint, you go to jail. In Southern California, you'd ticket when we were there. The economic thing must be a coincidence though?

I know KC.... every summer they do this. But this year it could have a worse impact.

Solar, Happy today?

Sometimes,,,,,we say we are :-))) just to say so,,,,but are really feeling a little (-_-) down in the eyes sorta speak,,,but if you r :-))),,,,than Im :-)))

In Texas, you're caught with a joint, you go to jail. In Southern California, you'd ticket when we were there. The economic thing must be a coincidence though? Chloe

Chloe
The darklord is channeling Tucker Carlson today...good for amusement --facts not so much.

Good

KC, dark lord is usually having fun, I think. Maybe even pushing our buttons.

Chloe,,,,Im never happpy,,,happpppy,,,or saaaad,,,saaaaad,,Im always about 70---80

I have a friend that was a prosecutor in New Hampshire. He says he's never gone to court over a possession charge.

Laugh at California all you want, it's still one of the largest economies in the world. They just don't take themselves as seriously as Texans.

I didn't know that Solar. It must be nice to be so even all the time. I always say we have two temperatures in Houston, Hot and Cold, rarely perfect. It must be nice to just be a warmish 70 or 80 all the time though, kinda like Hawaii.

Texans take themselves seriously?

Don, I wasn't comparing Texas in a good way against California regarding the pot law. I know it's too strict here. I was just pointing out how different they are. They're too strict here. I lived in California for 40 years.

We used to take some special kids to baseball games,,or basket ball games,,,,,I had a favorite named Kieth,,,,,when ever someone asked him ,,,how it was going,,,or how are things,,,,he would alwlays,,,say 70 -80,,,,he meant 50-50,,,and it stuck with me,,that what I say when someone asks,,,,,but yes,,,it is rare,,that im in a bad mood,,sometimes,,,I get mad,,for a few moments or so,but I find my center fast,,,

It is a bit silly that the right attacks Obama for a so-called concession.

That is, that Iran can pursue nuclear power for energy. A right under the Non-proliferation Treaty (at least that is what I hear - haven't looked into it.)

That allows us to exercise pressure to prevent weaponization - which is also a right under the Treaty.

It is blatant hypocrisy - and demeaning - for the GOP to champion nuclear power as the key to avoiding an energy crisis. They zealously try to deny that to others while demanding it at home.

American Exceptionlism is too often used as a justification for discrimination and elitism - which are unexcusable.

Good Grief. I don't think Specter was worth it. Give him back to the Republicans and then elect someone to replace him in PA .... anybody. Is the dog catcher available?

He doesn't know if he will support Sotomayor

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23369.html

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker 7:58 PM

It's a valid question despite its source, and no, it isn't like having "a" (singular) cocktail, because you guys the get the good stuff out there, the kind that really knocks one on one's posterior... not the kind of dirt they peddle around Bloggingham.

Darklord aka Tucker Carlson

You have tried to make a conclusion from facts not in evidence anywhere at all.

Interesting. Tweety just got a harsh reaction from a Mid-East scholar for suggesting that Obama's speech may influence the Iranian elections.

He said "No." And you should stop saying that. Hmm. It seemed like a nice thought at first - but if that becomes the buzz - it will probably cause a counter-reaction in the Iranian electorate. (Some say the Bin Laden tape influenced 2004...)

People don't like to be told what to do - so in the face of two no-good options - they will do the opposite of what u say just to spite you.

(It is a tangible satisfaction - especially when faced with a choice that almost always has built-in uncertainty.)

It's a fact that unemployment is at crisis levels in WA, OR, and CA and also NV, which also has a medical marijuana law... It may be co-incidental, then again it may not be. Just wondering, for crying out loud... holy %$#^.

...and this discussion was started by the citation of unscientific poll results of questionable statistical bias. By the by.

...hence the wondering.

...and a conclusion wasn't drawn, a hypothesis was formed. Big difference. Sorry for the quad-post.

No one said the pd's poll was scientific

There are 13 states with medical marjuana laws
Since 1996, thirteen states have legalized medical marijuana use: AK, CA, CO, HI, ME, MI, MT, NV, NM, OR, RI, VT, and WA. Eight of the thirteen did so through the initiative process. Hawaii's law was enacted by the legislature and signed by the governor in 2000, Vermont's was enacted by the legislature and passed into law without the governor's signature in May 2004, Rhode Island's was passed into law over the governor's veto in January 2006, and New Mexico's legislation was signed into law by Governor Bill Richardson on April 2, 2007

Nothing was formed except for contrarian nonsense

Alrighty then.

darklord

Do you vote in Virginia?

Nope.

"Forgot to comment on this thread Craig,,,,,,,he did hit out of the park,,,,,,,now all he has to do,,is to keep his word...Posted by: SolarCrete"

Ha, actually comment on the thread? when does that ever happen around here? i'm quite used to being ignored.

hey, it's not about Obama keeping his word. He can do that. It's about Islamic and Israeli leaders meeting his challenge, that's the test. If they fail, screw 'em.

Lord bloggington.......you do know that smoking marijuana doesnt make you sit bereft of all ambition and motivation and catatonically staring at the wallpaper while stuffing munchies into your mouth dont you ?

just curious.

"If they fail, screw 'em. "

Hah! Give em a little Ron Paul treatment for a change.

That would work for us for awhile - until we were called back the next time.

I say we do our best to resolve it right here and now.

(We are the "change we have been waiting for" - may be a corny line - but is the call to service that everyone is searching for.)

We can do better (especially when working together instead of against). And on the (sorta) bright-side . . . recent history has set the bar pretty low.

Sturge,

Lord knows it depends on what kind of shit ya got. If you're lucky it could.

Sorry chloe, I was just taking advantage of your comment to make fun of Texans. I lived in California 24 years, but if you remember it you weren't there.

The state of California is split dark lord. The people of orange county and the central valley have no sense of humor and would never be caught smoking. Balances out the coasts so they don't fall into the ocean.

I like learning the phrase so-so in different languages. In Turkish it's soyle boyle, pronounced shoylee boylee. I've heard in Spanish it's mas o menos . French comme si, comme sa. Just a fun term in many languages.

Alright - I am off to have a scotch and watch the speech. See ya later.

"Concerning the original topic of this particular thread, and it's title, the Dark Lord thinks the host is a sucker for a good speech. Remember "Palinomania"? -- Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com"

point taken, dark lord. but i'd be interested to hear why u apparently thought this speech was meaningless. frankly, i haven't even undertstood the topic, much less the content of most of your comments today. so there.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233331

Dark Lord,

33 million people and a major economic downturn in industries heavily placed in California. Add an extremely high drop out rate, a large prison population, and a huge influx of illegal aliens that the Federal government will not enforce laws or pay for since they aren't enforcing laws.

Marijuana has nothing to do with it except possibly a means to keep smiling some how.

"...just wondering aloud is all. -- Posted by: dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com"

oh, ok, that explains everything

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233376

Craig,

,you may be right,,,,but his word will be judged by the outcome anyway,,,,he has the courage to take it on,,,,and he "owns it" now...but I do think that he will do it,,Netanyahu will be kicking and screaming all the way,,I think,,,but in the long run,,,he will do what Obama says,,,,,,I just hope that Obama,,,doesn't blink first?? ,,its not going to be easy taking down the illiagal occupied homes,,,there are already,,situations where there has been trouble by the Israel's ,,they have been stopping Palestinian cars,,setting fires and such,,but I love that we have a president ,,with the cajones,,to say what he said,,,now he has to back it up,,imo

And even if you disagree with me,( how dare U :-),,glad that I cought your attention,,and was able to talk to you a little.,,,thanks

...just reacting to your high praise in consideration of the challenges in that region, Mr. C, and didn't use the term "meaningless"; thought it a good speech and said so... and after exhaustive 3rd person self-reference, experimenting with non-reference except by implication, possibly resulting in confusion. Sorry.

arent all humans suckers for a good speech? could be the main reason many politicians become so successful....well, it could be......

all good, solar, just bugs me to hear all this commentary that it's up to Obama to follow his words with action. not much he can do unless reasonble Islamic leaders step up to the plate and denounce extremists. same with the Israelis. and if they can't follow his lead, then we're done trying as far as i'm concerned.

Little experiment... smoke a joint, hell, smoke two...big ones... and then go to Home Depot, McDonalds, or m&*^#*^$*(%^g Wal-Mart, and then tell me marijuana and unemployment are unrelated.

ask not what your speech makers can do for you.....ask what you can do for your speech makers.........

Damn! ...slipped up. C'est difficile.

dark lord, seemed to me you glibly referred to it as nothing but a "good speech," belittling my praise of it. which is fine, providing you give your reasons. but if you're backing off that position, so be it. just trying to get your meaning.

Dave's not here.

"Add an extremely high drop out rate, a large prison population, and a huge influx of illegal aliens"

...using drugs, caught with drugs, running drugs.

Craig

I asked Don1 and XR for an opinion about this,post,,any thoughts? and not that there answers weren't satisfactory,,but just wondered what you might think.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233281

Well, CC, one could, as some have, question the benefit of making concessions to the "Muslim world", but saying for the sake of argument it is at least of some benefit, the duplicity of those concessions in light of the current military presence in the region compounded with the political instability of said region are no less daunting, good speech or no. Time will tell.

Democratic Primary voters MoE 5%

Creigh Deeds (D) 30 (13)
Brian Moran (D) 27 (22)
Terry McAuliffe (D) 26 (36)
Undecided 17 (29)

This is a stunning two-week gain for downstate Senator Creigh Deeds, and an incredible stumble by former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe. Undecided Democrats started to make up their minds, and it looks like they broke 2-1 for Creigh Deeds over Brian Moran; Terry may have shed his voters in that ratio as well.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5610

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233394

Ok, i get it, Non Sequitur Thursday

words for the sake of words

using alcohol, caught with alcohol, running alcohol.......take it back a few decades........and you have a mafia created and paid handsomely by means of joe kennedy supporting Prohibition by funding prohibition movements which when passed allowed joe to make money and the mobbers to get rich and organized, with many in prison.........etc etc

zot.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233396

ok, Dark, fair enough. but seems to me we undermine the terrorists more effectively by acknowledging their complaints against us

"Ok, i get it, Non Sequitur Thursday" CC

I'm stealing this

You can only use it once a week.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233281

yes, solar, but i get so lost in the commas and question marks i don't know where to start

Ok, well it seems everyone hates Dark Lord Bloggingham; which is fine. Better him than me. Nighty-night.

Craig, Isn't a speech just words? How much meaning do they have without actions to back them up. I get the feeling DL is saying, lets see if his actions match his words. Isn't that fair to ask?

Making concessions to Muslims? Huh? You mean like recognizing they exist?

Interesting how not that long ago an Israeli politician was bragging about calling Bush out of a meeting to have Condi reverse her position on a UN vote.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233404

oh don't be such a ninny dark, you know we love you

"but his word will be judged by the outcome anyway"

good point Solar.

Performance is often judge by results. (Dare I say always...)

Craig,

Maybe we need to put in encouragement for copying the shortcut for the message to which people are replying. It really is hard to backtrack and try to figure out what is going on in a conversation when the posts aren't sequential.

i'm checking out too, hopefully dexter will take over soon

VIDEO: Pundits react to Cairo speech
http://www.politico.com/largevideobox.html?id=25285158001

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233409

AMEN TO THAT, jamie. I find that horribly confusing. Please all, just right-click, copy and paste the comment url your addressing. It's not that difficult.

Nite all.

That fine,,,thanks

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233403

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233409

Jamie:

I like the sentiment in your post.

(kinda like this - which makes a lot of sense to me)

http://www.nudges.org/

ok - now really off to watch the speech.

(my ice has melted and the battery is going to die.)

Ah, ice to energy!

Craig,,,,,been thinking,,,,and as much as I would like to agree with you,,,,you are wrong,,,,given all of the past history of the ME. Obama,chose to take on the responsibility of stabilizing it,,he knew exactly what he was in for,,,and what the challenge would be,,so yes he does have to keep his word. But lets see what he says in Germany and his other stops,,,bet that by the time he comes home,,it is all his to win or loose!

Flatus:

That would be something to harness since we are supposed to be flooded out by 2100 according to the doomsayers.

But isn't the story of the Middle East a story of small steps? They're carrying the weight of 5,000 years with them after all.

Obama delivered a very carefully crafted speech. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8082862.stm

For those wanting to pick it apart, there are ample places to do that. Why did Obama not finish Lincoln’s quote? Why did he ignore the large number of Muslim clerics who promote hatred and jihad while laying blame to a "small number" of extremists.

I could go on, but that would ignore what the speech was meant to be, not what various people wanted it to be. As my fortune cookie said at lunch today, "Debate is not for victory, but for progress." Obama was highly selective and manipulative in order to encourage a debate, an opening of minds. He was forceful enough I think, in stating Liberal Democratic ideals and clever enough to contradict paragraph leading "gestures" with subtlety reasserting bottom lines of human rights, representative government and freedom of choice in a society that tolerates opposing views. Yes, a clear rhetorical Obamian flip flop I rather enjoyed. It was not designed to be a fair reading of America's view, but rather a therapy session with a tough audience. I agree with Craig that Obama did well and I would say to Solar, I am proud.

Despite this necessary and well delivered speech, what we do on the ground is important. There are rumors the Muslim Brotherhood was given special seating which could only infuriate Mubarak. I am sure his government's intelligence chiefs are looking out at threats involving more than a "small number" or nearly as poorly organized as Obama suggests. If so, why would Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Gaza, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq be so contested and hang in such balance? Why would Obama need to be protected by an Army?

I am saddened however to see the Political Machine here continue in hypocrisy this time enabled by Hillary Clinton:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/1055/clinton-call-on-obamas-speech-includes-jihad

First, this is not consistent with the President's words and second it politically stupid. Let's be honest, were we to take his speech as a fair reading of American Principle and the degree terrorism is promulgated by "religious Muslim clerics and leaders" we would be unsatisfied with what Obama said. Colonialism and Israel hardly explains the State of the Muslim world which fixates on the 1 % of Muslim land liberated after the Allies defeated the Muslim Ottoman Empire, a point Obama did not mention. And after agreeing to protect the many Jews living in North Africa and the Middle East, Muslims forced them out of homes they had for centuries until few remained. Even now, new Palestinian settlements go up, many filled with non Palestinian Muslims, many prepared to fight a long and religiously driven jihad. But then this would be taken as lecturing and affect was more important than substance. And Obama did put forth some ideological bottom lines, none I can really argue with despite the bending of context and omission of certain "truths". I do not feel Obama argued equivalency for more than the right of peaceful people to co-exist. On deeper issues he did not give up principle, though promising aboslute honesty, he delivered a very calculated speech the street might not buy.

My take on what is really going on with ISrael at the moment is this: "Mr. President, I am your best friend. You can blow the settlement issue up as much as you like. You can act like this is Celebrity Apprentice and make me the boogie man. We both know this will look good to the Muslims. If settlements are the price we pay for a real peace, God Bless you. You deserve a chance to play your hand and see what you can manage, but understand there is a clock and Israel is not about to concede our backyard to crazies. Lets see if this gambit works before we put neutron bombs in those bunker busters and do what we must. As you said, we lost more to Germans than exist in Israel today."

Bush did certainly kill and thwart AQ, even causing the Iranian nuclear program to blink, but Obama made a good thrust into the belly of the Muslim mindset and this is what AQ feared. We cannot contain threats with US forces alone.

There will many on the Left not pleased with this speech. There will be many who fail to understand why Obama twisted some quotes, omitted some principles and talked mostly of peace.

No matter what actions we may be forced to do in the coming months and years, Obama reminded us today that it is critical we walk into the lion's den and deliver powerful messages. This is something our last President was unfotunately not blessed with the ability to do.

And I rather doubt the wheels behind the door has stopped moving http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200906040353dowjonesdjonline000515&title=us-military-aid-at-stake-in-lebanon-elections

Solar,
Quote by David Carradine on the TMZ site.

"And every night I'd take it out and think about blowing my head off, and then decide not to and go on with my life. Put it back in the drawer and open up the laptop and continue writing my autobiography or whatever. But it was just to see."

And from one of his songs.
"Does anyone know where I'm going ... does anyone here really care?

If I walk myself on a highway ... would that big mac truck be there"

That was my joke OBL earlier. It doesn't matter what Obama says, OBL will still find something to complain about.

As far as David C, my gut tells me it was murder......

OBL was the clearest target in Obama's speech.

Try maalox max.

I think Flatus said it best:

""The Administration's task must be the exploitation of the Obama speech; his words could well have been from God's mouth, but if, through Administration inattention, our detractors are permitted to recharacterize his words, it will all have been for naught.""
Posted by: Flatus | June 4, 8:06 am

I think Flatus said it best:

""The Administration's task must be the exploitation of the Obama speech; his words could well have been from God's mouth, but if, through Administration inattention, our detractors are permitted to recharacterize his words, it will all have been for naught.""
Posted by: Flatus | June 4, 8:06 am

I must have hit submit before I was ready.

Dark Lord - I like you just fine even when I think you're nuts and/or unfair. And I'm not bored with this persona.

Solar - re the game show host, his name was Ray something - maybe Harris. I remember reading re him, and in my opinion, he was very very depressed. The words Carradine apparently wrote seem depressed, too. It's hard to describe - it's a point of view which can put things in extremely bland words.
The mental dialogue can be very calm and resigned. I think it's all too easy to under-estimate this cindition - it is deadly.

I'm ready to admit I need to get past my temper tantrum re the IE 8, and live with it. I hate it, tho. I can't highlight links without highlighting pages and pages.
They can't improve anything without creating new problems.

Don,,,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233419

,,,right you are,,,but every time that I bring up that past history,,,well anything past the time line that the Jews first appeared,,and found a new home,,,,,which im glad that they did,,, I get reminded that it only counts from that time,,,and not the far past.

I have reminded folks here that there are some palastinian families that are living in the same house,,from the time of Jesus,,until the present...but to be fair,,,step by step is the best way,,,,too much at one time,,might be counter productive,,,,little by little,,,and we can make corrections on the way?

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Thats sad....but. to me not so surprising. I have always had the impression that he needed to be adored by all....success was his trap I think,,,he could have sung a song,,about how fortunate he was to accomplish what he did.

A masterstroke.

"Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said: 'I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be.'"-Obama

Very Taoist. I guess Jefferson is one of the more Eastern of our founding fathers.

(I bet Samantha Power had something to do with that speech.)

Solar - The guys name was Ray Combs. He's in wikipedia, but I cannot link it due to my new IE8. Just look him up and it will blow your mind. Hi problem was more than he needed to be admired - a very sad story.

I think maybe one of the most telling signs is how people react to absolutely anything. For the first 50 or so years of my life my reactions were self-defeating at the very least, except I think in the classroom. It was a different me in there. Many people with depression can function very well except in their own lives.

Bethy,,,thanks,,,,,,and you are right on,,,lets see if this comes out right,,,,,it seems that when some poor ,,or people that struggle,,,as a child,,or young person,,,just the struggle to have a normal life,,is a stabilizing one,and they are grateful for not sliding back,and can do it all over again,,if needed to,,,,now on the other hand,,when some one is in the limelight,(as an actor)?,and can't handle the lack of public admiration,as in the past,,they get depressed to that point of no return sometimes,,,,,,well Iike I told you before,,,I can verbalize ,,,much much better than ,,write,,,sorry,,,,Me,,,when all is said and done,,,,a little cottage,,cabin,,by some little lake,,,not too much property,,,,,an equipted bus to travel,,that will do it for me.

You're still trying to find a cause Solar. Sometimes people are just depressed, like they have brown eyes.

Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome causes severe depression and can take years to get over.

Uni-polar (depression) and bi-polar disorders often afflict creative people. I think the randomness in the brain that allows creativity causes disharmony and depression.

Tthe endocrine system may be all screwed up and seratonin and endorphin (your morning exercise) levels are skewed, sometimes by the amount of sunlight available.

And sometimes it's situational. Like being laid off from a job and wondering how you're going to survive or watching your 2 year old go through cancer treatment.

I think we need to stop curing people with depression (go for a walk) unless you're a professional and just be a friend that keeps an eye out for mood swings. The breakdown of community has robbed us of one of our most powerful support systems, especially in children that haven't had a chance to build coping systems.

And now for something completely different.
http://twitter.com/DrRandPaul

"Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights . . . ."

Warren, not to spoil the Obama narrative, but Jefferson and many of the Founders did not have a very flattering view of Muslims, well their polity. If I am not mistaken Jefferson kept the Koran for less than admiring views. The Treaty Jefferson observed did not end the problems or his onjections to Islamic ideology. And Obama cut short Lincolns quote which ended in FOR THE PEOPLE. Nor did Obama quote from some troubling passages of the Koran.

He tried to have it both ways on the issue of not telling others what to do. He followed that by a list of exceptions which fairly describes what we hold important.

The following is a somewhat factual commentary on the speech. I was struck by the promise of real honesty which did not deliver too. This was more a stroking effort and I think honesty was in reference to what Egyptians usually hear, not what many Americans think is true. While I understand this commentators objections below, because I feel the speech had a "purpose" beyond balanced factuality, I have cut Obama some considerable slack -as the Hitler did not create Israel (see Congressional resolution of 1922), nor is the behavior of Israel nor their "negotiating" peace anything comparable to Germany or the Hamas Charter.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3670626/obama-in-cairo.thtml

Still, for reasons I have already stated, I think Obama was effective. I do not think however, he could have convinced an American audience of the facts and equivalencies he painted for the Egyptions, not did he praise their civilization's achievements before the rise of Islam. He also mentioned the difficulties of displaced Palestinian Christians. I am confused. Christians have their problems with Muslims in Iraq, Lebanon and elsewhere, not in Israel. And what of Jew's welcome in Muslim lands these last 90 years?

Nor did Obama point out that more than a million Muslims live as Israelis. Where in the Muslim world do we find that?

"but Jefferson and many of the Founders did not have a very flattering view of Muslims"

So what max. My old roomate was Muslim and I do have a "very flattering view of Muslims."

I respect the founding fathers - but they would be turing in their graves if you start invoking them to support dogma.

And perhaps you could quit viewing this as the "Obama narrative" and start seeing it for what it really is: history.

I am sure Obama said, "MIchelle, look, come here, I'm writing history." And in making history, one should be true to history. Obama used Jefferson and Lincoln without giving full context to their views.

While I excuse his less than honest pitch, his mission was important and his purpose did not allow him the option of complete disclosure.

Warren, you are not the only one with Muslim friends. Again, we were talking about Jefferson. I don't think anything I said would cause our Founders to spin in the grave, but I am not sure they would want the blood of US soldiers and treasure defending Muslims to go unspoken before their great assembly.

"Nor did Obama quote from some troubling passages of the Koran." Nor from the Bible.

Why the heck are you trying to play these cheap games with such an important issue.

You are acting like Krugman. Someone who only feels smart when criticizing.

Don,

,,Im afraid of doing my first Twit,,,,,what if I like it,,,between that and this blog,,,I would drive me nuts,,,,well maybe that would only be a short walk,,,but not gonna do it,,,but i will follow his progress....he should have learned for his father,,,the good and the bad,,,so he should be able to avoid some of the pitfalls??

Warren,,,,I completely agree with this statement,,,,history was made,,,and it will be talked about for some time to come,,,,,,no
more Sotomayor bs,,all the time,,,this will be the news for days,,and days to come,,,can't wait for the Sunday shows!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/in-cairo-obama-knocks-it-out-o.html#comment-233439

I was showing the site to you as a reference to read Solar, not trying to draw you in to the dark side.

Max, for some reason when you say you have muslim friends I hear Archie Bunker's voice saying that some of his best friends are black.

I know u weren't,,,,,but the temptation is there anyway,,,funny I hear Meat Head Ha!,,,later.

Warren, there is much in Obama's speech I could blast. It is a slanted speech designed as a sales pitch. A sales pitch for America. I understand that, so I do give Obama a lot of slack here, unlike the Right. I think he intentionally slanted the speech to make it more effective which was the reason for giving. A more honest speech would have alienated the listeners. He framed things to give AQ as bad a slap as he could given the sentiment of the crowd. I was suprised he didn't praise Egypt for standing up to these extremists in Gaza and from Lebanon and offering peace to Israel in exchange for land....

My high grade does not take away the problems which my recent link to Spectator identified. Not for me at least, and only time will tell if Obama really believes the history he implied.

Yes, it was historic. Where it leads I do not know. That would involve how much of the speech OBAMA BELIEVES and how much moderate Muslims take to heart. Right now the Muslim world is either agressing or failing apart with some exceptions.

So don't try to spin my comments here as attacking Obama. My concerns are how effective a speech can be and whether the speech really revealed what Obama thinks, such as if the missing line to Lincoln is NOT IMPORTANT, ot that a small number of extremists threaten numerous Muslim nations and the security of the Western world.

We can take most speeches and given the right context they shift in importance and meaning. Some speeches of MLK and others do not, but they are rare.

Max:

First, he used Jefferson's and Lincoln's words. And the truth of those words. I don't see how you taking examples from their lives distorts the plain meaning of those words.

Second, look in a history book in 20 years. Tell me if you read about the first time America elected a black President and Obama's speech in Cairo.

Max,

I know how much you enjoy being correct in your prognostications and I'm curious tonight. So here's a slow pitch softball for you, if you don't mind:

Will Ahmadinejad win the election next week?

And it just require one word without any caveats or qualifications please.

Don, I live in NYC. I bet throughout my life I have befriended people from more countries than most. Everyday I come in contact with the international world here in the city and I love it. To describe me as Archie Bunker is rather insulting as you obviously confuse having a different strategic or historical view as being a closet racist or bigot. That does not reflect on me. It reflects on you. I played in a rock band for years, went to a liberal arts college and have never worked for somebody other than myself. It amazes me what assumptions people make just because they don't buy your talking points.

He suggested that Jefferson kept that Koran because he felt it was sacred, yes? He left out Lincoln's FOr the People. He was twisting words and history to convey something that isn't MOST HONEST which was what he promised. No it wasn't itellectually honest, but it was emotionally honest. I believe in what Obama was trying to do. Do you get that? Sometimes a task requires distortion. He distorted the facts to be appealing.

ANd it is important he is appealing. The alternative is grim.

Yes, Ahmadinejad will likely win, the fix is in.

I hope he doesn't and Obama has tried to do the best he can to see that Ahmadinejad loses.

Was that short enough?

likely?

yes and thx btw

Back from the Iron Works. Long day.

Nothing will stop my oven. I mean nothing .

When I got the job of "Field Coordinator" . it was only because "Spiffy & Tory" had crashed Tory's Jeep into a cattle guard in a drunken haze. That made me the last good hand in the field. I had 8 squirrels to tend that morning, and two "experimental drills " broke - down - in - the - hole "

I gave 10 gallons of ATF to the best of the bunch, and I said , " Kid you get that steel out of the hole." " You pour this ATF into that hydraulic tank as fast as you can, and you trip that pipe out of that hole. , call me when you're done. " He was 117 stations back. from the lead drill. . A station is 110 feet in the oil field. He had 25 feet of steel dead in the ground. Somewhere between him and the lead drill was another one of the these things. I went and got that steel out of the ground , I had 5 worthless people sitting on a dead volcano when I was solving these problems.
It was the morning I became a manager. It was all very clear, each move came in it's natural order, I had an answer for everyone.

I solved every problem that day , and when Denver called, and wanted to know what the fuck happen . I told them.

I sent those 2 pieces of shit drills back to Denver the next day.

"Warren, there is much in Obama's speech I could blast."

Don't bother. I just heard it all from Hannity and Newt (can you believe that the Grinch was actually more balanced.)

You know how Hannity has that "Liberal Translation." Someone needs to start a "Literal Translation" - that untangles all of the misinformation that he spews out on TV and radio.

(but we better find someone unemployed - cause it would be a full-time job.)

if I am not mistaken, in Texas, any amount of marijuana less than 4 oz is now considered a misdemeanor. The fine is pretty heavy but you can't get life in prison anymore. At one time that was the case. It is still a major hassle but not life ruining anymore. Been that way for about 10 years now.

I'm Colorado Bob, and I Slam Steel.

Old man runs one more bluff in Texas.

I believe Archie was from Queens Max. And there was nothing closet about him. Unless you know something about Carroll O'Conner we don't.

I don't think Archie ever thought of himself as a bigot though, that was part of the charm.

Ever travel overseas?

Nevada used to be one of the most strict states when it came to pot. Which always seemed a bit odd.

I never cared for pot, and like the new super bred stuff even less. I remember rings of 40 or 50 people sitting in a park on The Hill in Boulder Colorado (Berkeley's summer home) sharing joints, pipes and what ever in the 70's. No one cared as long as you didn't do something stupid. I have seen it destroy lives as often as I've seen it bring relief to cancer patients. I worry about the children the most.

Warren, I am not Hannity or Rush or Newt. My points that could blast Obama involve history, comparisons (Gaza is no NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP) and ground realities, but as a speech designed to appeal to an adversarial audience, I give Obama an A.

Hannity does not give Obama an A, because he is too stupid to acknowledge why AQ is scared and why the mission Obama is on is more important than the "facts" he may spin. Obama wasn't talking to AIPAC.

So even Hannity may be right about some problems with lines Obama delivered, but he mistakes these flaws as something sinister BECAUSE HE FAILS TO GRASP THE STRATEGIC GAME BEING PLAYED. We will need to go a bit further in time to see if this effort brings results, but Hannity can not know that now.

His rant therefore is based on fear of imagined consequences when the consequence that Obama may have achieved is to win some support from a crowd we could surely use in our struggle with Muslim extremism. Hannity somehow thinks Islamic Reformation is unnecessary in the struggle we are facing. LIke Obama, Hannity has his own narrarative which is a constant expectation of failure and unpatriotic capitulation. I love how more and more of his guests tale issues with his postions --and they're mostly conservatives. I think Hannity serves as a media check bringing up issues the other media is too in bed with LIberals to run. That doesn't mean we should take his intellect too seriously......

Obama does such a NICE job of it!!

I listened to Limbaugh bitch about it today so I know it was a home run.

tt

I. a. Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com | June 4, 2009 9:41 PM : "oh don't be such a ninny dark, you know we love you"

b. Na.

c. I thought about it. But, na, not really. I find it too hard to love someone who regularly insults or writes something ridiculous, and then makes it everyone else's shortcoming when they disagree or take umbrage. I'll stick to loving people who don't play sick games.

II. a. Dear Mr. Crete,

Thanks for the menu of acceptable appelations. If Solar is alright with you, Solar you shall be, when I address you. You may call me whatever you like, just please don't mistake me for that adumbrate earl.

b. I was mute after my remarks regarding redChina, because Sweetie drafted me to move furniture. Then there was dinner. Then some friends dropped by to view the furniture as recently relocated. Then a vote. Then more furniture moving. I had hoped to clean a few fish that I'd caught, but that will have to wait for morning.

c. I think don1one accused redChina of not having Imperialist ambitions. I think the redEmperors have amply demonstrated their Imperial Claims regarding Tibet, Uighurstan, Viet Nam, the Paraceles, the Trans Amur, and Taiwain. As far as I know, redChina still claims all of the territories that were ever held by any previous Chinese Imperial Dynasty, with the possible exception of Korea and Mogolia.

Of those present and former Chinese occupied countries, only Viet Nam has been able to give the red Emperor's army a bloody reversal. If it weren't for that embarrassment in the late 1970s, who knows how far the bloody old tyrant's claims would run ?

d. I'm pooped. That is a technical term used in nautical circles. I am sinking by the stern. The eyes water. Blub. zblubz zblubz zblubzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Don, did I bring up pot or were you talking to someone else? I actually think Archie changed America for the better, but I was not a red neck turned LIberal....... and then conservative again, buy your count.

I have been around the country and through the Americas, but my constant exposure to foreigners comes from meeting them here.

I'm going to India in the next year with hopefully a stop in Israel/Egypt if I can swing it. Problem is that India takes some time to see it.

Now you are making some sense max.

(Although I think Newt would take issue re: history. I think he see's himself as the thinking man's barker....)

You post would go over Hannity's head and Rush would just tear you down personally.

Good point tiptoe - when Obama's at his best - the GOP is at their worst.

Rez, as far as my predictive powers, I do not know with high confidence if Ahmadinejad will win, but I do know I suggested Sotomayor's wise woman remarks were not just a one time gaffe Obama covered for. I objected only if she was suggesting experiance can show you not to follow the law. Seems Sotomayor has made that remark as early as 1994 and more mazingly I suggested she might like Scalia...

"The speeches also reveal she has spoken highly of Justice Antonin Scalia, whom she introduced during a September 2001 event at Hofstra Law School as a powerful thinker who has spoken about the role of federal judges in "illuminating ways."

"I understand Justice Scalia's jurisprudence to begin with a proposition that we should all agree to - namely, that judges should try to interpret the law correctly, and without personal or political bias," Sotomayor said." CQ

Exactly, warren!

David carridine
~RIP~

tt

Screw Rush, he needs his meds.

Newt is a smart guy. An opportunist looking for an opportunity, but a smart guy. His personality was always a deal breaker but I know people who have met him and say he is rather a pleasant guy in person.

I think he jumped to fast to call Sotomayor racist, but then look at what Democrats did to Hillary and Bill.

THe problem with Newt is that as long as the Base burns moderates Newt has to be careful. He has distanced himself from SOCONS to an extent.

You know you love me, xrep. I give you purpose, and that's the greatest gift of all. You're welcome.

xrep, I think you're naming countries that China believes historically are already part of China. They've never been interested in going out and conquering Korea or Japan or Australia for instance. They wanted nothing to do with Britain. In fact it was the other way around. They put up the wall because they were constantly being invaded.

The pot comment was a general comment Max. Just reminiscing over the little bit of the 70s I could remember.

I didn't realize you were liberal. It's quite a bit different when you're in a foreign country, living locally and speaking their language. Try observing the Ramadan fast in a country where it hits 120 during the day. You'll never be so glad to see sunset.

I hope you have fun. I have friends in the Manalur area that have invited me over, but I'm not much of a city person. Still, the history of the area is incredible.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6437/1/

For Rez, what Iranians think about the election in their country........

"I think he jumped to fast to call Sotomayor racist, but then look at what Democrats did to Hillary and Bill."

Interesting thought max. I agree that this Country still has a lot of trouble discussing race. (That is why I loved The Chappelle Show ; )

But I think Sonia's confirmation hearings provide an opportuntiy to continue the conversation Obama started in Philadelphia with "A More Perfect Union." And there are some really interesting debate to be had regarding the role of a judge - if Capitol Hill can just get past the buzz words.

(But alas - I am not hopeful... Should be good summer TV nonetheless. I think Sonia will more than stand toe-to-toe with a bunch of white guys grandstanding : )

max:

What does SOCONS mean - I musta missed it...

socons = social conservative

But just to make everyone aware, the Hopi blue corn is 5 feet tall on Buddy Holly Ave.

So I am on Obama's mailing list from back when I was allowed to contribute.

And I can't remember Ax sending me an email. But he was the one who forwarded around a clip of the speech. I am glad he is on the case. Here is what he had to say:

Hello -

As a Senior Advisor to the President, I'm here in Cairo, Egypt where I watched President Obama deliver an unprecedented speech calling for a new beginning for the United States and Muslim communities around the world.

We all know that there has been tension between the United States and some Muslim communities. But, as the President said this morning, if all sides face the sources of tension squarely and focus on mutual interests, we can find a new way forward.

The President outlined some big goals for this new beginning in his speech -- including disrupting, dismantling, and defeating violent extremism. It was a historic speech, and since many Americans were asleep at the time it was given we wanted to make sure you had a chance to see it:

[clip]

Majority-Muslim countries around the world are filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives, just as in America. Indeed, part of what makes America great is having nearly seven million Muslim Americans living here today and enriching our culture and communities.

(a little fluffy but nice - good thing we have Obama, HRC and Rahm to bring the steel.)
We can extend that kind of relationship abroad. It won't always be easy, but if we make an effort to bridge our differences rather than resigning ourselves to animosity, we can move toward a more peaceful world over time.

Thank you,
David Axelrod
Senior Advisor to the President

OK Newt - now you are really living in a fantasy world. He said to Hannity - "Imagine the speech Reagan would have given in Cairo."

He wouldn't have given one. And I don't think HRC could have made that speech either. Obama was uniquely qualified to make the speech.

It amazes me daily how little I care what anybody says about anything.
I mean Newt, Sean, Ann, ........ all the usual suspects.

I'm a unicorn in the Kuiper Belt folks. Or at least to the Oort Cloud.

There ya go .................

A Unicorn Cowboy in the Oort Cloud.

C-Bob, The Usual Suspects are a bore, at best.

tt

Sorry I missed those seeds CBob. My sunflowers are now topping 6'. Not bad for the Sandhills.

So immediately after Hannity makes the "empathetic case" for the Ricci case, e.g., firefighter suffering from dyslexia, spent $1000 on books, quit second job to study, would have gotten promoted, - that "doesn't sound like equal justice" - and then Newt says its "Not equal justice . . . We don't have the rule of empathy - we have the rule of law." I didn't hear Newt or Hannity speak about any law when they talk about how the case should have came out. (Maybe they should ask Sonia or read the D. Ct. decision).

They don't even realize the contradiction as they step over one another to get out their talking points.

ok - time to detach myself and try and get some sleep.

Good nite all.

More bird stuff -

Blonde Wino has taken the bit in her teeth, and started posting from her garden at the Blue Corn site. Bless her heart, she's had a full plate. But I am so glad she did it, and put up pictures this morning. It's a great window folks , I've been looking in for weeks. She has this mountain in the distance, and all this life in her garden at her feet.

Her and Carol are the two sides to the Experiment. One has snapping turtles. , the other has road runners. It's pretty cool.

don1 -

The Hill in Boulder ..... Oh yeah.

Don1 -
The Little Kitchen in Boulder.

The first night I ever spent in Boulder the cook at the Little Kitchen gave us a giant chuck of hash.

I was good too. 5 cigarettes, 3 cups of coffee, and 2 blasts at that hash, and your were ready to work.

Suicide hotlines field calls as prices fall and money woes mount

By Miles Moffeit
The Denver Post

The phone calls usually come in the evening after the machinery goes silent on farms across the country. The callers speak of dwindling cash flows, crumbling marriages. Some admit they're holding a loaded gun.

Across a wide swath of rural America, increasing numbers of farmers are considering taking their lives.

The nation's largest network of crisis hotlines for agricultural workers reports a spike of 2,000 calls through May compared with the same period last year — a 20 percent increase.

In Colorado, the number of suicides among farmers and ranchers has risen in the past five years: Fourteen took their lives in 2008, twice the number reported by the state's coroners in 2004.

http://www.prosperityagenda.us/node/309

Our farmers are committing suicide.

Hey, Solar, where did you get the idea that I wouldn't know or tell dirty jokes????????????

But, Solar, this is the down part. From everything you've posted, I don't think you understand what real depression is. It's not feeling sad. Some of the happiest people you know are depressed and have been for years. It's easy to fool people and that's what you want to do cuz you think it's your fault and you're ashamed, and don't want to be a nuisance or spoil a party. If you think it's easy to spot, you may overlook it in someone you love one day.

People wonder why I liked hash.

Another hopeless old hash head -

Barabajagal - Donovan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEPcQdHFaY

Donovan - Season of the Witch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92HjH1GG3ro

Beatniks are out to make it rich.

David Bowie - Suffragette City

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnPd7lzT4g

David Bowie - The Jean Genie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2K7SOgbWA

Steal a car and go to Las Vegas -

Billy Idol - Eyes Without A Face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZhHNI7HXiE

Don't say your easy on me, you're about as easy as nuclear war

Duran Duran - Is There Something I Should Know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi5n7jbUbrI

Duran Duran - Hungry Like The Wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOg5VxrRTi0

2 blasts of hash and this stuff -

Chris Rea - Baby Please Don't Go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so72pc7UcKY

we got Gilgamesh spinning the tunes

" I do know I suggested Sotomayor's wise woman remarks were not just a one time gaffe "

Yeah, Max -- it would be a damned crime if an ethnic woman actually thought she might do a better job than a white man when dealing with issues involving ethnicity and gender. Uppity broad!

The one question I have that never seems to be addressed is this: what exactly was it in the firefighter test that was unfair to black firefighters. What were the questions? How were they slanted against the black test-takers? I want to see the test and decide myself what I think.