Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Who Who

At 12 I hung out with a crowd of 15 / 16 year old and to be part of the group started smoking. Stopped smoking courtesy of twice courtesy of two pregnancies only to start almost the day after each arrival because instead of making me sick, that smoke smelled wonderful. Kept smoking with a few attempts at quitting right up to the Las Vegas get together and left there deciding this time was it and have not had one since. If after 50 years of dedicated inhaling, I can do it, then everyone else can. I still want to smoke, but after a couple of years now I know to just wait and the feeling will go away.

Congratulations Craig and to all who quit smoking!

Craig -

Add this to the comments list :

The only good fly is a tied fly.

Posted by: xrepublican

Sturg -
You'll want to put your ear to this guys .
You'll feel better about today's youth after listening -

Lies-The Black Keys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVd5RVukcs

Craig -
Damn fine clip.

You gotta love a guy that spends the time to put Flintstones clips in his clips.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney has signed a publishing deal for about $2 million to write a memoir of his life in politics, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

The book will be published in the spring of 2011 by Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, where Mary Matalin, a former close aide to Cheney is editor in chief, the newspaper said. Simon & Schuster is a unit of CBS Corp.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE55N0GU20090624
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A very tidy package. This is why we're all broke, Mary the Milk Maid has just squeezed out another 2 Million from the corporate tit.

Remember this one -

Deep Thought

Could 'hiking the Appalachian Trail' become a new metaphor in politics?

--Josh Marshall

Pay Any Price

How much do national Republicans want to keep blocking Al Franken from being sworn in as the senate's 60th Democratic senator?

The national GOP has pumped almost $1 million into Norm Coleman's 'campaign' in just the last month.

--Josh Marshall

Molly Ivins is smiling somewhere.

Boy do I miss Molly Ivins & Frank Zappa.

Senator Ensign's old squeeze & his new squeeze. -

http://media.lvrj.com/images/cindy-hampton_cap.jpg

I quit cigarettes December 19, 1981, and gave up my pipe and cigars sometime in the summer of 1986, but after the cigarettes, I only smoked a little bit of pipe tobacco and cigars on a few rare occasions.

SO here's the poop: When the city decorates the giant snowman for the holidays, they place a giant pipe in his mouth.
That drives me CRAZY! I really wanna smoke then, every time i see it! Now it's been 23 years since any tobacco for me, but I still want to smoke my pipe, but the cravings only attack me about three times a year, and like Jamie, I let them pass.
I quit alcohol 17 years ago and I never have cravings and desires any more, but tobacco STILL lures me in!

i have never heard of the dopamine pills or the gum-dispensing cig-packs.
I quit cold turkey so I know it can be done, but it was a BITCH. This is no joke, I think it took 150 attempts before I was set-free of cigarettes.
I know a man, 58 years old who has two stents in his chest and has had a major heart attack or two, and he smokes 4 and a half packs a day, and he refuses to even consider quitting.
I hope Obama "gets it". On NBC News he admitted "...sometimes I screw up."

Ah well...I have my own problems---my wife called from the store..."need anything?"
'YES! Get me a bottle of Hershey's syrup !"
And just today I had promised myself to cut back on ice cream sundaes!

Vanilla ice cream
salted spanish peanuts
chocolate syrup
whipped cream, just a dash
and a plastic spoon

um um
um um UM um
GOOD!

MARK TWAIN ON TOBACCO:

"How well I remember my grandmother's asking me not to use tobacco, good old soul! She said, "You're at it again, are you, you whelp? Now, don't ever let me catch you chewing tobacco before breakfast again, or I lay I'll blacksnake you within an inch of your life!" I have never touched it at that hour of the morning from that time to the present day."
- "History Repeats Itself"

Boxing the Back & Thinking About Glazing

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

Dexter -
This sounds like a desperate cry for help late at night. Keep - up the good work we can hear you weeping down in Texas.

I'm organizing an ice cream intervention for Dexter. Do we have any volunteers ?

THE BLACK KEYS - SHE SAID, SHE SAID

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzYO-SdGY4

You know your getting old when all your music is recorded on clay tablets.

My friend Tony Greer is at it again -

Exploding Wire Experiments
Experiments in using very high pulsed power as an art form, and just to blow stuff up.

An electrical charge is slowly accumulated in a device capable of releasing the entire charge amounting to millions of Watts of instantaneous power for a very brief instant. This immense surge of power is used to completely vaporize a thin metal wire or other conducting path in a violent explosion, leaving deposits of metal and other chemical compounds in a rainbow of colors and iridescent patterns. The entire pattern is captured in less than a thousandth of a second, and reveals an amazing amount of detail not captured by these photos.

http://imageevent.com/thepacratz/pulsedpowerexperiments/explodingwireexperiments

A beautiful woman loved growing tomatoes, but couldn't seem to get her tomatoes to turn red. One day, while taking a stroll, she came upon a gentleman neighbor who had the most beautiful garden full of huge red tomatoes. The woman asked the gentlemen, 'What do you do to get your tomatoes so red?'

The gentlemen responded, 'Well, twice a day I stand in front of my tomato garden naked in my trench coat and flash. My tomatoes turn red from blushing so much.'

Well, the woman was so impressed, she decided to try doing the same thing to her tomato garden to see if it would work. So twice a day for two weeks she flashed her garden hoping for the best.

One day the gentleman was passing by and asked the woman, 'By the way, how did you make out? Did your
tomatoes turn red?' 'No, she replied, 'but my cucumbers are enormous.'

Craig's on in 3 minutes!
Cbob- Took pictures of my corn- very cool- will get posted as soon as I can!

guess everybody's out 'hiking the Appalachian Trail' this morning or waiting breathlessly before the tv for our supreme leader.

"Frank Zappa."

Best Zappa line: "It's not getting any smarter out there."

"Dexter -
This sounds like a desperate cry for help late at night. Keep - up the good work we can hear you weeping down in Texas."

"I'm organizing an ice cream intervention for Dexter. Do we have any volunteers ?"

[both of above posted by cbob]

dex, one successful way a friend of mine cut back on ice cream bingeing was to only eat that which was made by his own hand.
not recommended for smokers tho

the word "hike" is a bit off-putting for me............

well I'm going with the later patd. no hiking for me this early. Just getting in my 3 days a week of pilates is torture.

I'm waiting for him, Kathleen! I am so excited. You and Janie are to be commended!

my old grampa planted a couple of rows of tobacco for his own use......would smoke what they called "twist" cigars........

sturge, what word would please you better? some verbs are just not allowed on the appalachian trail.

ROFL -- sorry for the typo Jamie....

the word "ricksha" comes to mind.......

Craig, did you say you started smoking ten years ago? You started after you should have known better? Most smokers start, as Obama, when they are young.

I started smoking at age 15. I am a twin and born a month premature. Both lead to developmental delays. If we would have even heard of it back then, I would have been a poster child for both ADD and ADHD. I'm not sure when they invented those disorders but down in my neck of the woods we didn't know anything about them.

There also was no treatment for those two disorders except locking the kid out of the house back then. I struggled with school. I day dreamed, drew architectural designs and wrote adventure stories in class. I couldn't focus until I discovered cigerettes, the older generation's Ritalin.

But I have been addicted since I was concieved. My mom smoked when my sister and I were concieved, all during our fetal development and then mom and dad smoked while we were growing up.

My ability to focus greatly improved when I started smoking and when I have to do something that requires extreme concentration, smoking helps.

Some research I did several years back revealed that it is easier to quit smoking in your 20s and 60s. I have tried many times and been unsuccessful. I thought I had it licked after I fell down the stairs last year and smashed those three thoracic vertebrae. It helped that I was in the hospital unable to move and barely breath for a week.

I went four months feeling like I had never smoked. Then along came one of those hurricanes last year. I was still suffering PTSD from Rita. I found the last two of the three smashed vertebrae after lifting a generator 4 times preparing for the hurricane. They only thought I had one.

I laid in a bed at a friend's house, unable to be at work where I was suppose to be, unable to move, with no pain medication, waiting for the hurricane to approach. I found my need for cigerettes again. They also have a little analgesic effect.

I'm thinking I only have a little over a year before I'm 60. Maybe I will be successful then. I do keep trying. With my profession, I have to be a closet smoker.

is there room for a ricksha for a cooler?

sturge, not sure that doing the trail by ricksha qualifies with these at awards folk.

http://www.n3epa.org/Pages/AT/AT.htm

ha ha.......cbob makes "News of the Nation"..............

Yee haw! Craig did a good job working in the 94th and Craig mentioned Cbob by name and our beloved blue corn!!! Thank you Craig!!!

Good morning Patsi and congrats on the book tour! You were a hoot last night by the way. I would stick around, was in touch with Sen. Kerry's aide yesterday so imagine Imus will be speaking with him about it.

OSH

I am amazed at what you and Jamie have done with this project

Jack

The good thing about Craig bringing up Kerry's support is that Kerry basks in good publicity,and this cause can give it to him!

"Dexter -
This sounds like a desperate cry for help late at night. Keep - up the good work we can hear you weeping down in Texas."

"I'm organizing an ice cream intervention for Dexter. Do we have any volunteers ?"

[both of above posted by cbob]

by the way, bob, LOL

Pretty cool eh Jack?! I started the whole thing by myself but everyone here has helped to move it along. Thank you all!

OSH
Very cool.

Speaking of cool there is not much around here so I need to get at it before the heat cranks up.
Later

Jack

as regards smoke:

the god of hellfire......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8

Craig,

Congrats on quitting smoking. I started when I was 12 by stealing Viceroy cigarettes from my sister, then quit altogether when I turned 21.

Imus needs to get the delay corrected during his broadcast. A good portion of your interview and others, are very hard to understand because everyone is stepping all over the other person. But I was happy to hear you point out that the media is using Obama for his star celebrity persona to boost their poor ratings, and too, the set-up question asked by the Huffington Post blogger. Good work for acknowledging that.

Truth-Just about every time Craig is on he says something that really takes Imus's notice and that statement was the one today.

Craig, Remeber how upset you were with the folks at a certain hotel chain? I guess that was the nicotine talking, and I'm so proud of your progress. (I do not remember that Flintstone's ad, but I do remember candy cigarettes.) America has come a long way, baby.

Today's lesson:

DON'T smoke 'em if you got 'em!

Don't know how it happened-but when I quite drinking heavy. The smoking stopped along with it. Never thought about it. I still have a cig. once in a great while-when I have something stringer than a beer. Two puffs-gets me dizzy-and out it goes.

Sea - Step by step-your getting it done. I missed Craig-but will see if I can get it on U-tube later. Keep those letter coming. Getting to know your Father thru them. Nice.

Did you you guys hear that? Sen. Kerry said "we're working with the center for us militayr history and i think we're going to get it!!" don't think he would say that for nothing.
Ican't believe it, thought it would never happen
sorry about the typos, can't see throuight the tears. got to call my da!

"Imus needs to get the delay corrected during his broadcast. A good portion of your interview and others, are very hard to understand because everyone is stepping all over the other person." [posted by tir]

craig, have any advice on what can we do constructively to get imus' delay problem corrected?

"...can't see throuight the tears. got to call my da!"

sea, tears of joy all around. a big hug, high five and pat on the back to your da.

Sea - I love to see what persistence can-and does accomplish. Great news. Im back and forth on my 2 way radios and can't listen to anything.

Patsi - How is the tour going.? Have you met any interesting people.? How is Ms M.- she getting big now- I bet.?

sea, looks like thee k.i.c.k.a.s.s. gang (kerry, imus, crawford, kennedy against stupid sobs) have done their job. but only because of you, jamie and of course the most important one, your da. kudos to all.

OldSeahag, congratulations and well-done.

And, WhiskeyJack, Thank you for posting OCMS Wagon Wheel last night. Just viewed it and it was great.

mornin'

My dad stopped smoking cold turkey when he developed an ulcer and his doc told him to quit - never bitched, never complained, and never said anything about wanting another cigartette, although I remember him smoking a pipe rather than cigarettes, but I was just a kid when he quit. My mom on the other hand "tried" to quit about a hundred times - her resolve to quit was questionable, in fact, I think she only said she was trying to quit to get me and my sis off her back since I never saw her change her habits even one iota. It eventually killed her. My father in law lost his larynx to smoking, and it was bad ennough trying to talk with him before his talking more resembled a frog than an old Italian know it all. And my first mom-in-law died of throat cancer - from smoking. Her husband died of a heart attack - probably more the steak than the cigs, but he smoked, too. Having never been a smoker I don't know what it would take to quit - although I don't imagine it's any easier than trying to quit eating enough to lose the 20 pounds I can't seem to get rid of, but for all you out there who somehow delude yourself into thinking it won't kill you or make you very fucking miserable for a very long time, my reality begs to differ. Do yourself and your loved ones a favor and quit. Wear the patch, eat the gum, suck on the pens, but quit. OK, off the soapbox.

I will volunteer to dispose of Dexter's ice cream sundaes if it will help him quit - although I didn't get the sense that he felt any inclination to do so. I just live a couple hundred miles away, and really, it would be no bother, (Now about that 20 pounds ...)

Thanks all, but you must include yourselves and all the brain storming that went on around here when the whole thing had stalled. This is just as much a victory for the Trailmixers! We have all made sure history is righted.

I sure wish Jamie were up, will wait a bit and then call her. Just spoke with Dad and Thom, they both are "pleased " and agree that Sen. Kerry wouldn't have said what he did if he didn't know something, he could have just left it at yes, we are working at it.

Boy oh Boy! Just got an email from Jamie, she agrees- "i think we're going to get it"

Congratulations on quitting smoking, Craig. I never started myself. Watching it kill my dad (he began smoking at fourteen and had just lit his first of the day when he dropped dead at fifty-six) was a good incentive not to.

I did something I'm not in the habit of doing--up at 6 AM to watch Imus. Glad to hear about the progress being made with Liberator status for the Boston Regiment. But the dream with Proust, Imus and you--I thought I had strange dreams, but mine are mild compar--oh, never mind.

Meanwhile, politico.com just emailed breaking news that Gov. Sanford says he was in South America, not on the AT. Great. Either way, he went on walkabout without telling anybody. Just sayin', but I think he needs to give a shot at the GOP nom in 2012 a big kiss goodbye.

FW's song for the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-PDLGOL-V4

My favorite younger generation country singer, Justin Trevino, singing (I'm not ABSOLUTELY sure of this but I think I'm right) a Faron Young song. May just be my tin ear, but i think JT sounds like David Shuster would if Shuster sang classic country instead of anchoring at MSNBC. (insert wink here)

Enough of my nonsense. Have a good day, all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/the-most-famous-dead-fly-in-th.html#comment-238792

Truth, no, you can't extend that analogy to WWII - Japan attacked us and drew us into a war in which we would not have intervened to preven tthe muders you mention and our Allies were fighting a maniac in Europe who was attempting what Napolean and Caesar had attempted. And we didn't know about the Jews until after the war. Your attempt to rewrite history to fit your attempt to extend an analogy to dissimilar facts fails on its face. No one thinks freedom comes without price, but you seem to think that we should be the ones to pay the price for the freedom of a few folks in the middle east who we have deigned worthy of our largess. You miss the point. XR got it right.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/the-most-famous-dead-fly-in-th.html#comment-238797

So did Max (credit where credit is due), but I can't post a link to his post because I'll be in link prison. It is a few posts below XR's.

Job well done Craig.
Sea and Jamie, same to you: Job well done. Congratulations!

"Sometimes I should leave things as they are. "
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/the-most-famous-dead-fly-in-th.html#comment-238874

Don't change, I like you 'just' the way you are.

Jamie

I think that I just saw U on Britan's channel that is talking about the Ascot Races. Lot of big plume hat's there. Where you the one wearing an owl hat.? I looked like it moved once to me. Looks like they are having a lot o fun with all the diff type hats:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-238923
"Get me a bottle of Hershey's syrup !"

Dexter, Hershey's has a 'fat free' chocolate syrup. :)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-238949
Carol, 'Nobody' can tell a story like you can. I was mesmerized. I can't wait 'til you're 60 so I can see what happens.
(I was so surprised to find out you were a twin... is that the sister that comes to stay with you?)

Mark Sanford was in South America

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24131.html

Craig,
Instead of 'Job' well done, I should have said 'Jobs' well done to you.

Moring- Chlo -

I was just going to wake you and Emma up! Daylights burning gal!

You must be joking Solar You know we're up LONG before we get here.") You'd be shocked at my mornings.

oops, Good Morning Mr. Solar. (where are my manners)

gee, warren, I coulda sworn in 1976 when I hiked the southern (almost) half of the Appalachian trail that it was in the US. But I was young and not that great in geography anyway.

Thats better.

I don't want to see a pic of Emma with a shovel in her hand. A play shovel maybe.

Cl Joe -

Your swat team-in action.

US Commander: Swat Valley Offensive Helping in Afghanistan
Impact 'Almost Can't Be Overstated,' Colonel Insists

Colonel John Spiszer, the US commander for troops in northeastern Afghanistan, today praised the Pakistani military’s offensive against the Swat Valley, claiming it was ’sapping money and weapons’ from the conflict in Afghanistan.

“I think there’s a definite impact, and I think it almost can’t be overstated,” Col. Spiszer claimed. He also said Taliban activity has declined since the Pakistani military launched the offensive, saying the weaponry and money being used there.

Exactly how this would be happening is unclear, as the Pakistani government is fighting the Tehreek-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in the Swat Valley, not the Taliban that were the former Afghan government. While the groups both have the word “Taliban” in their name (Pashto for “students”) that seems to be about all they have in common. Few if any of the TTP in Swat have been reported to be foreigners, and most appear to be tribesmen from the immediate area.

What’s more, as the Swat Valley operation was reaching its zenith earlier this month, General David Petraeus was reporting that violence in Afghanistan had likewise reached an “all time high,” and that the situation was, and still is, deteriorating rapidly. Nothing from the higher ups in the military has suggested the trend in Afghanistan has turned positive, let alone that it coincided with the Pakistani military driving millions of Swati civilians into refugee camps. Quite the contrary, every indication is that the situation has gone from bad to worse. From Comcastnews

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-238924

Dexter, I forgot to tell you, I like a plastic spoon too (but no pnuts).

Cl Joe - = C. Joe-sorry

So here's what we did: After 35 years of smoking, we just moved into a non-smoking building. We haven't quit altogether YET, but you wouldn't believe how much we've cut down now that we have to get dressed and put on socks and shoes every time. By the time winter comes, we'll be so sick of this that quitting will be easier than I thought possible. I'm down to 5 a day, and believe me, that's a miracle!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-238919

CBob

Hitchhiker references this early in the morning?

... proving once again, where there's a will, there's a way.

Citi boosting salaries to offset lower bonuses
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_bi_ge/us_citigroup_compensation

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CT

One of my previous attempts before this last seemingly successful one was foiled by Desert STorm. There is nothing that needs a cigarette more than a son in the Army and 24 hours a day of CNN.

Even as rapidly as it was over, I was still back to smoking. :-)

OSH

Congratulations on your progress. It is wonderful the way your story inspired people to come together to work on the project.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-238980

Ha!!! The hats of Ascot are so famous that it became a whole number in "My Fair Lady"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Sq1Pax7h8

Another thing I didn't know (just add it to the list)

Young doctors opt for specialties, fueling looming lack of primary care
"As the nation’s debate about overhauling health care heats up, one truth remains undisputed: There are not enough general care doctors to meet current needs, let alone the demands of some 46 million uninsured, who threaten to swamp the system." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31507763/ns/health-health_care/

Do you think religions share certain core principles?

"Not many. People in the modern world, certainly in America, think of religion as being largely about prescribing moral behavior. But religion wasn't originally about that at all. To judge by hunter-gatherer religions, religion was not fundamentally about morality before the invention of agriculture. It was trying to figure out why bad things happen and increasing the frequency with which good things happen. Why do you sometimes get earthquakes, storms, disease and get slaughtered? But then sometimes you get nice weather, abundant game and you get to do the slaughtering. Those were the religious questions in the beginning.

And bad things happened because the gods were against you or certain spirits had it out for you?

Yes, you had done something to offend a god or spirit. However, it was not originally a moral lapse. That's an idea you see as societies get more complex. When you have a small group of hunter-gatherers, a robust moral system is not a big challenge. Everyone knows everybody, so it's hard to conceal anything you steal. If you mess with somebody too much, there will be payback. Moral regulation is not a big problem in a simple society. But as society got more complex with the invention of agriculture and writing, morality did become a challenge. Religion filled that gap." http://www.salon.com/env/atoms_eden/2009/06/24/evolution_of_god/

...... have a good day everybody.

In the, "You could see it coming", department.

Approximately, 5 years ago GM staring offering consumers 0% interest loans with 60 to 72-month payments plans on selected new cars. This eventually spread to all their makes and models. Then to sweeten the deal they started offering same car price as offered to GM workers. This was a great deal for the consumer, but did anyone at GM dare think to ask this question. With such great consumer incentives for the current year, who is going to buy the following year GM line with none of those incentives? The sales of the new line GM car sales for the next season new car sales fell dramatically. So GM reinstituted these incentives year after year, and just as perdicted GM new car sales fell year after year..

Most American families do not buy a new car every year, or every 2 years, most buy a new car every 3 to 5 years. However, there is another problem GM totally overlooked, the glut of quality used cars that has bloated the car market. Now it wasn't just GM who fell into this same trap, both Ford and Chrysler jumped right into the same briar patch. At this same time union auto workers were getting paid well, had great pension, and health care. Michigan's high tax rates, a reduction in new car sales, all occurring in a faltering economy, and there are now thoughts that such cities like Flint, MI, might as well be bulldozed, because they cannot raise taxes any higher, as there are not enough homeowners or business to support basic services.

Both GM and Chrysler were forced into a government orchestrated bankruptcy, and Ford is hanging on ever so slightly. Chrysler has been sold to Fiat, that should be a really great car if you know anything about Fiat's quality workmanship, and GM has finally realized building identical vehicles under different brand names, might be an idea they'll want to drop. You could see this coming 5 years ago, but the car makers, auto union, state and local governments didn't seemed to care, so it was business as usual.

The housing market is very similar to the auto market. To much supply, to little demand, cheap interest rate loans, all occurring in a faltering economy, equals tremendous buying opportunities for those who can take advantage of these very steep discounts. So why are builders building when they can't sell what they already have in inventory? There is a good show on HGTV, "Real Estate Intervention". How homeowners react to sound judgment when they need to sell their home, but can't. Some heed the advise, but others will ignore the hard cold facts. Being an old time real estate investor I was taught many years ago to love your home while you are living in it, but treat it the same way as you would do with your spouse in a divorce proceeding. You just want them gone.

Chloe,
I enjoyed your post.

Chloe- A most outstanding post.

Been saying this since I got here. One way or the other.

Religion-the Bible-the Ten C's- all written by men. All basiclly ownership laws of women- and their inheritance of land and $ IMO. Same goes for the Koran-and other well written books by thousands of peoples.

That a large part of what we are seeing in Iran, and everywhere around that area. If organized religion were to come to an end. So would the majority of terrorism end!! Thanks for that post. Gonna book it.

Oh my god, the world may stop spinning on its axis. I agree almost entirely with one of Truth's posts.

... the only ting I MIGHT disagree with is the characterization of MIchigan's tax rates as high. They are the same or less than WV's - except for real estate and personal property taxes, which are specific to counties and cities, and they range VERY broadly, so it's difficult to compare.

Did GM actually offer 0% for 72 months?

After a little more digging, I don't disagree with the characterization of Michigan's tax rates. MI is in the top 10 in state taxes per capita. Obviously to me a hangover from the glory days of Detroit.

Gov. Sanford has a press conference scheduled for 2PM EDT. MSNBC will be carrying per a Shuster tweet.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/the-most-famous-dead-fly-in-th.html#comment-238889

"Pity us all Tony, not just yourself. It must change. It will change."

Max
I don't pity anyone here and certainly not myself.If your speaking of my desire to have civil rights for myself and others like me then your wrong its not born out of pity!! Its because I believe in the civil rights afforded by our Constitution!! Its not just for straight people as you advocate,oh ya for BS Anthropological reasons..."It will change. It must change"only if people like you change...If your comment is in response to my somewhat snarky comment to you about showing a sensitive side well then its tit for tat....

Pogo,

You must not have read what I wrote. I said we were drawn into the war by Japan. But before that both Japan, and Nazi Germany were slaughtering by the 100,000's.

1937-1938, Japan's Rape of Nanking. 300k plus slaughtered and they were slaughtered like animals, and that was just Nanking. Japan practice this ritual everywhere they went in China, mainly because of their total distain for the Chinese people. Japan played this out over and over again all over the Pacific before the we entered the war, and the US were made aware of these atrocities.

Percussion of the Jews in Nazi Germany began in 1933. In late 1938 the Nazi started sending the Jew to concentration camps. During the war US bombers flewl over these camps. The US knew of the existence of these camps, but our efforts was to topple the Nazi, not liberate the concentration camps.

But it wasn't just in Germany the Nazi went after Jews. They targeted them in every country they occupied, and most of Germany's expanding occupation was completed before the start of WWII. Most of the Jews who were rounded up in these German occupied countries ended up in the camps. There was also the much under reporting of the German resistance, and other resistance groups who were in communication throughout the war with allied forces, and allied governments.

The US was aware of the concentration camps as early as 1942, if not earlier. If the US choose not to know, it was by design.

The estimates of Jews killed by the Nazi is 6 million, but because of poor census record keeping the count could be as high as 7 million.

Pogo,

That would have to be an anomaly. You agreeing with me.

ct,

This was 5 years ago, maybe even 6. But when GM decided to include all the makes, the Corvette might have been the only exception, you could purchase a Cadillac with 72 months financing at 0%. That is one reason which contributing to you seeing so many Cadillac Escalades on the road. A new Cadillac Escalades started somewhere around $55k, $764 a month payment, and only went up from that point.

Go get 'em, Tony!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239007

Pogo
Exactly! I was born and raised in Flint,Michigan and yes taxes are high but to lower taxes when your city and state are broke,well it ain't gonna happen..Flint is bull dosing the AC spark plug plant now as it has already done Buick City and the V8 engine and the list goes on and on...I have worked at four Plants and only one still stands..Oh there also bull dosing abandoned houses and business buildings, sad but necessary.GM's pricing plans and incentives are just one of the many problems brought about to try and increase sales and gain back market share.Flint and many other cities will not come back any time soon as there isn't any industry to replace all the jobs going to Mexico,Korea and China....

Accusations of abuse at Bagram AFB Afghanistan

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/24/world/worldwatch/entry5109461.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Here we go again.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239013\

Patsi
Oh Ya!! I have learned much from you.I have read how you defend and have fought for the rights of women.I commend you for combating sexism wherever you find it.I will try and and do the same thing whenever I can whether it be for gays like myself or anyone else.Thanks

More data on public attitudes about public option. The people are in favor of health care. Unfortunately, Congress supports Insurance companies instead

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/24/746171/-ABC-WaPo-On-Health-Care:-People-Want-Reform,-Worry-About-Change

"f your comment is in response to my somewhat snarky comment to you about showing a sensitive side well then its tit for tat..."

I love it when Tony Baloney-talks dirty. HA!!.

Funny book - David Sedaris' When You Are Engulfed In Flames (but the interview he did to promote it on TDS w/Stewart was funnier).

c'bob - I was just thinking about how much I wish Molly Ivins was around this morning.

I thought maybe the Gov takin' a hike might be, perhaps, due to him pulling a Edwards & the mommy demanding he spend Father's Day with the wee one or she goes to the press...but I always wonder if a story is a little less mundane than reality.

Sea.....
congrats!.... it's nice to see you so happy....

Rick has been given a 5-day weekend for the 4th of July.... we are taking advantage of it and going north to our state's White Mountains..... but I am working hard at the moment to make up for it....

CBob.... that joke about Dex needing an intervention.... priceless!

Holy crap!

http://wmgt.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1645&Itemid=2

Headline to the above:

"You light up my life" composer charged with multiple rapes

Comatose robot symbolizes the de-industrialization of America

This huge, comatose robot sculpture graces the quad at the University of Alabama:

http://boingboing.hexten.net/2009/06/23/comatose-robot-symbo.html

" ............. Sanford flew to Atlanta early on Wednesday and told reporters for The State, South Carolina's biggest newspaper, he had decided at the last minute to go to Argentina and drive along its coastline.

"I wanted to do something exotic ... to get out of the bubble I am in," he told the paper, adding he had traveled alone. '

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE55N3GZ20090624
--------------------------------
Well that certainly smells like a dead carp.

There goes another GOP 2012 hopeful... Palin may be all they have left by then.

Smoking Linked To Brain Damage

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090623090400.htm

c-bob...

Drop me a email at my profile email addy on my site some time today if you have the time.

I want to get some information on your blue corn for my supervisor.

I also was wondering if you have a site up with pictures of your corn growing.

I won't be able to access anything right now since I'm at work and most sites are blocked that you might have currently.

I'll try to get back too you later tonight sometime. I usually end up taking a nap when I get home since I'm fairly worn out and end up falling asleep for two to four hours on the couch. So I won't end up online until around 8 or 9 o'clock.

Have a great day.

Anon - P

Here ya go -

http://cbhopibluecornexperiment.blogspot.com/

Congratulations, Craig!!!
Cancer sucks.
Anyway, wish I could disappear when my job got to be too much!!
Syl

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239010

Actually, Truth, I did read what you wrote - and went back and re-read your posts from yesterday to see if I had missed anything you said about Japan drawing us into WWII, and found nothing of the sort. It don' matter none, though. We did enter WWI in reaction to an attack on our soil and not as some sort of misguided attempt to spread democracy. The extermination of the Jews by the 3rd Reich was reprehensible beyond belief, but that was not why we entered the war. No amount of retrospective rewriting of history will change that simple fact or prop WWII up as an example to justify military intervention in the internal affairs of "bad" countries with nutty dictators in the name of spreading democracy. That little example of the USSR as our ally in WWII tends to defeat that suggeston. No, WWII was a war to stop Hitler and Hirohito from taking over Europw and ASia after they invaded and attacked countries who became our allies. And don't forget that the Soviet Union's gulags (where 1.7 or somillion deaths occurred, half during WWII) were up and running for over a decade before WWII began for the U.S., and we somehow allied with those Commies - because neither spreading democracy nor stopping oppression was what WWII was about.

Pogo

as I recall the pre WWII internationalist came out of the liberal wing of the Democratic party and were the support for much of our post war foreign policy, They constantly had to fight both the conservatives in the Democratic party and the Republicans.The Republican party was dominated by isolationist like Robert Taft until Eisenhower brought internationalism to the Republican party.

Jack

A killer volcano picture -

http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?s=environment&c=news&l=on&pic=090622-matua-volcano-02.jpg&cap=Sarychev+Peak+on+Matua+Island+is+one+of+the+most+active+volcanoes+in+the+Kuril+Island+chain%2C+northeast+of+Japan.+Astronauts+took+this+photo+of+an+eruption+on+June+12.+The+plume+appears+to+be+a+combination+of+brown+ash+and+white+steam.+The+vigorously+rising+plume+gives+the+steam+a+bubble-like+appearance%3B+the+surrounding+atmosphere+has+been+shoved+up+by+the+shock+wave+of+the+eruption.+Credit%3A+NASA%2FISS%2FEarth+Observatory&title=

Pogo and Jack,
And, to prove that no attempt to categorize is without exception, let's not forget the somewhat heroic stance of Wendell Willkie

Bob

That has to be the longest link I think I've ever seen.

But it worked.

Cool picture.

Jack

Joe

As soon as I hit the button I knew someone would give me the exceptions. Both parties were more diverse back then and liberals could show up in some of the strangest places.

Jack

You can hear my favorite Joe Brooks songs in one of the worst smaltzy chick flick movies of all time: If Ever I See You Again

Only saving Grace: Three really good trite songs when you are in a mood for mush.

If Ever I See You Again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtsGLrc1NU

Come Share My Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCuePwyn02I

California

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0e1cnuJeHI

Oh Good God!!!! Sanford was unfaithful to his wife! Who could have guessed.

Tiptoe - Haul out the list again. The Republicans are frigging in the rigging.

At some point these "news conferences" are simply going to break down into hysterical laughter.

And before we praise Roosevelt too much remember he is the one who refused to let a ship load of Jewish refugees into the country. Mostly,IMO, because they were Jews.

Jack

Jack,
It was the friendly offer of an exception, not a 'yes, but.'
;)

jamie...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/sanfords-story-questioned_n_219809.html

... but I thought that conservative republicans bore he banner of moral absolutism. Silly me. RFLMFAO

Since the search for an honest man was a pretty much a failure, we better send out Diogenes to find a faithful Republican.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239034

jack, that is historically accurate, at least to the extent I can remember history of the 30s and 40s. That little excursion into Europe & Africa and the South Pacific wasn't part of that. But now, it's about time to leave and blow off the rest of the afternoon washing cars and watching soccer practices and such. Everyone have a good un.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239044

... with lots of fuel for his lantern.

Obama will make trip to meet with the pope. Think he can sell him on the idea of condoms to keep people from dying and children from starving?

The curse of the GOP governors continues. If you are a Republican Governor, you better hope you name doesn't get floated for POTUS...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_us/us_sc_governor_where

Hey everyone,

Do we know if Gov. Sanford's Argentinian lover was male or female?

Can you picture him doing the tango on hike naked day? lol

They should take a page from Rush's book...if you let people see that you are a dirtbag or a-hole, when you do a-holish things, you are just meeting expectations.

When you hold yourself up to be a high moral authority, everyone will line up to kick you on the way down...

Jamie,

I think the Pope is still trying to sell his priests on the Rhythm method...but may change since he lost Fr. Oprah to the Episcopals...

Cute Tweet: Forget gays, apparently the biggest threat to Republican marriages today is running for President.

Funny Funny Bear

Tweeters getting silly with Sanford:

@advodude How many GOP reps, govs, etc have to have affairs before its declared an Epidemic by the CDC?

So who's left? Pawlenty and Gingrich?

At least 35,000 years ago, in the depths of the last ice age, the sound of music filled a cave in what is now southwestern Germany, the same place and time early Homo sapiens were also carving the oldest known examples of figurative art in the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/science/25flute.html

Romney, also, who will have considerable leverage if Obama's fiscal initiatives fail.

Wow, another Argentinian bombshell -- shades of Wilber Mills!

"Could 'hiking the Appalachian Trail' become a new metaphor in politics?
--Josh Marshall"

yeah, euphemism for having an affair.

Hey Jamie,

This guy just knows how to have fun. Wasn't that what you said many months ago about the Democrats. They just know how to live. LMAO I love when R's show they can keep up with Dems.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/governors/sanfords-admits-affair-first-t.html?hpid=artslot

"Happy Trails to you..."

Note to self -
Start buying pop corn by the drum.

Isn't this how the housing market problem got statred with relaxing of the regulations? When will Barney ever learn. This coming out at a good time, because tonight Barney is on Bill O'Reilly.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Housing/idUSTRE55L39120090622

Eagle Scout Mark Sanford, "It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life."

flatus, due to the anti-snark rules, can't give you an "avie" for that delightful 11:10 retort last night; but here's one for being chivalrous >(*V*)<

tho' some of us ladies may have been put off by the indelicate questioning of certain personal attributes, imo, the object of your snark was probably just trying to engage us in titillating conversation.
so to speak

Sanford reminds me of Spitzer, intentionally sabotaging his political career. Ron Paul's stock just went up, baby!

Some body from (R) Bill Huizenga just called me. He thanked me for being an ardent supporter of Bill Huizenga. I wondered, "Did I even vote for that guy in the last election? If I did, it was probably bacause nobody was running against him." Then the guy on the phone said, "I'm sure you will agree that now is the time for "Principled Conservative Leadership" in Washington." I hung up as soon as he said that.

what?!!.... now we have to endure the sullying of the AT....
isn't anything f*cking sacred from politics anymore.....
will poor Bill Bryson be getting drunk tonight....

*&*%$#**@#$ republicans.....

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.......

Posted by: patd Author Profile Page | June 24, 2009 3:39 PM

He was having a cracker.

dink cheney accepts a $2M!LL!ON book bribe from Left Wing Anti-polluter, Vegan, Appeaser, Network, CBS !!! If this gets out to the "Conservatives", it should really screw up his presidential aspirations.

Guvnuh sanford's run for the White House may have died in a grubby Argentine brothel, but his chance to win a big tv ad contract from Viagra or Cialis just improved greatly. There's nothing like having some cranky, gaunt, unpopular white guy hinting to us that he can now " 'shun ", to make those packages fly off the shelf.

If someone keeps threatening you with bodily harm, and they have the means and capabilities of carry out those threats, you have to take those threat seriously. You need to take steps to protect yourself, including delivering the first strike.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear_91

"The problem for Sanford is that he appears to have willfully misled his staff, the lieutenant governor and the people of the state about his whereabouts -- signaling that he was likely headed to the Appalachian Trail before hopping on a flight to Argentina. There will almost certainly be some sort of investigation into whether Sanford misused state funds on this trip -- remember that he took a state-owned vehicle and parked it at the Columbia airport..."
[from wapo article linked by tir]

wonder if this snowballs into an impeachable offense category in south carolina. he best think resignation and soon. one can lose retirement benefits for crimes committed in office in most states.

in keeping with the thread subject,

did he have a cigarette afterwards? and was it carolina tobacco?

Lets all remember John "Pretty Boy" Edwards. Who is still crying the blues that he is not being treated fairly. And shame on the despicable people who blamed Elizabeth, the victim, a cancer patient, for writing her book.

in keeping with the thread subject,

did he have a cigarette afterwards? and was it carolina tobacco?

Posted by: patd Author Profile Page | June 24, 2009 3:57 PM

Are we still celebrating the comment of the day?

I want to see the picture of this woman that Sanford would jeopardized not only his family life, but his political ambitions, to travel all the way down to Argentina for a getaway. And how on earth did SLED let him get out of their control. There will be some opening on the Governor's security detail.

Posted by: patd Author Profile Page | June 24, 2009 3:52 PM

I'd bet he will resign by this Friday.

It's self-destructive behavior, TiR. He wanted to get caught; he was done with politics. Supposedly his wife already knew months ago. It may not be a woman, either.

Watched the Gov. Sanford presser and start hearing track 2, Taj Mahal's 1996 CD PHANTOM BLUES, song called "Cheatin' on You"--

It's the end to all my hijinks
It's the end to all my capers
Sort of a three way story
The kind you read about in the Sunday papers

(no links, alas)

From there the song's storyline diverges from Gov. Sanford's--

Oh well. At least he wasn't nekkid on the AT, out with the bugs, poison ivy, bears, wild hogs, timber rattlers, copperheads and the occasionally seriously strange human--

All flippancy aside, I feel sorry for his wife and sons. This is some more kind of ugly for them.

At the Georgia end of the Appalachian Trail, there's a metal plaque erected by the Georgia Appalachian Trail Club, bless 'em. The plaque depicts a gaunt white man with a heavy load and knee-high boots as he is about to ascend the Trail.

Guvnuh sanfudd has a heavy load indeed, or rather, he had one before he disappeared. He had different one just before his most recent press conference. As for knee-high boots, I hope that all the lads in the press conference were wearing them, and had their cuffs well rolled up.

Now the big question is, will the Guv leave old missus and make his lover an honest man.

The above is to be considered spikey satire until it is proven true. Or, untrue, in that unlikely event.

The only reference Sanford made to the gender of his paramour was "I hurt her".

Wow, another Argentinian bombshell -- shades of Wilber Mills!

LOL, old Wiber, and Fanne Foxe, a stripper from Argentina . God, they were the good old days in DC.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,911535,00.html

Craig, is that the med that rids folks of smoking and replaces it with gambling?

tt

The lady in this Pall Mall ad from 1955 must be related to the crazed piano player reefer-"addict" in "Reefer Madness" ! Check out the crazy-eyes when she gets het hit of smoke !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr4duBBcCpA

Jamie, they're coming fast & quick so I added SANFORD to The List.

And here's The List. It's stunning.

Culture of Corrupters & Family Values Evil Doers

A - Abramoff, Jack; Allen, George; Ashcroft,John; Army, US (Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch lies): Allen, Bob (trolling for $20 sex in bathroom); Addington, David (Cheney's Chief of Staff & Counsel & justifyied torture)
B - Bush, George; Brown, Mike (FEMA Brownie);(Black, Conrad on trial now); Batgnal, Joel (Homeland Security - Bin-Laden intel leak)
C - Cheney, Dick; Cunningham, Duke; Craig, Larry (bathroom lewdness)
D - Delay, Tom; Doolittle,John (R-Ca Abramoff scandal); Doherty, Chris (Reading First cronyism scandal, Education Dept.)
E -Edelman, Eric (Defense - Letter to Hillary). Ensign, Senator John (affair 6/09)
F - Frist, Bill; Fastow, Andrew (ENRON); Foley, Mark; Foggo, Dusty (CIA); Feith, Douglas (Pentagon official distorted prewar intelligence); Fielding, Fred (W.H. counsel Bin-Laden intel leak)
G - Gonzales, Alberto (Fredo); Goodling, Monica; Griles, J. Steven (deputy interior secretary, lied re: Abramoff favors); Giuliani, Rudy (dirty money); Goeglein, Tim (plagarizing Bush aide); Gibbons, Jim, Gov. Nevada (divorce & corruption)
H - Hassert, Dennis; Hannity, Sean (Fox noise); Haggard, Ted (lusty evangelist); Hughes, Karen (Counselor to Bush)
I - Interior, Dept. of (sleeping with the enemy)
J -
K - Kidan, Adam; Kaden, Robert & Kristol, William (war architects. co-founded the Project for the New American Century); Kohring, Vic (AK State Rep extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Kott, Pete (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Krongard, Howard J., Inspector General, Department of State - fraud & abuse in Iraq
L - Lewis; Lay, Ken, (ENRON); Libby,Scooter; Limbaugh, Rush (just because)
M - Myers, Harriet(attorney?); McNulty, Paul (Federal Deputy Attorney General - hearings); McConnell, Mitch (money to BAE)
N - Ney; Novak; Nacchio, Joe (Qwest insider trading); Nord, Nancy (lead toys); Nielsen, Jeffrey Ray (Rohrabacher (R-CA) aid, lewd lewd acts on a child)
O - O'Reilly, Bill (Fox noise)
P - Putnam, Adam (conservative media machine-Pelosi); Perle, Richard (Neo-Con jerk); Prince, Erik (Blackwater)
Q - Quakenbush,Chuck (California Insurance commissione)
R - Rumsfeld, Don; Rove, Karl; Rice, Condi; Rudy Tony; Renzi, Rick (Rep-R AZ govt land swap)
S - Safavian, David; Scanlon, Michael, Stillwel, Roger; Skilling, Jeff (ENRON); Small, Lawrence (Smithsonian): Stevens, Ted (Alaska); Spitzer, Eliot (NYS Govenor, sex scandal); Stevens,Ted (AK) many ethics violations., Sanford, Mark (S. Carolina Argentina sex scandal)
T - Tobin, James; Tobias, Randall (State Dept. & call girls); TEXAS (Because it exists); Tanner, John (DoJ, racist)
U - Ullman, Harlan (expert on national security & on madam's list); U.S. Congress (for knuckling under to Bush); Urbahn, Keith (Rummy's aid)
V - Voltz, Neil; Vitters, David (LA Senator & the D.C. Madam); Villegas, Martin; (Bush's bootmaker & illegal shipments of banned skins into the U.S.)
W - Wolfowitz, Paul; Westmoreland, Lynn (10 Commandments); Weyhrauch, Bruce (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill)
X -
Y -Yoo, John (legal authority for torture)
Z - Zachares,Mark (former congressional aide to Don Young (R-AK), pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff in exchange for his influence-peddling.)

Testosterone Strikes Again!

tt

Here're some funny Tweets.

"Funny Mark Sanford tweets fill Twittersphere"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/

tt

FOR DEDICATED smokers:
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown:
FIRE !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8&feature=related

Solar,

I think the Afghani and Pakistani taliban are very close. They do not have foreigners, because they are Pashtun organizations. alqaeda was the foreign instrument. All of them are Salafist, Wahabi, neo-Hanbalite organizations.

The Pakistani Army seems to be doing a wonderful job in exptirpating these criminals and hypocrites (I use hypocrite in its Koranic technical meaning).

You posted earlier that the 10Cs were about property and ownership of women. I can only see that 2 of the Cs might be interpreted in that way. And, I don't interpret any of them in that way. I interpret them as ethical guidelines, the bare minimum for maintaining unit cohesion within the 12 tribes that composed the nation.

The 10 Cs document advanced a concept so advanced and radical that Governor sanford and Senator ensign have not yet caught up to it - 3,250 years later. Talk about Conservative !!!

DL
"he was done with politics"

I assume you mean Edwards? Is so, that is incorrect, last week or the week before he just did a full interview with a Charlotte paper. He really does believe he has been treated unfairly, and there is always that possibility his political option are open.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/100/story/117753.html

TT, is it just Republicans on your list? I mean, I'm sure there are others that might make that list.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239070

TIR

It isn't the playing around. That sort of shenanigans are practically a perq for holding office. Its the goody two shoes preaching that is just so damn galling. They take hypocrisy to a high art.

If the Republicans would stay out of the public's bedrooms, we probably wouldn't be so pissed at what goes on in theirs.

Corey! Republicans!

tt

Newpogo, thanks for the credit....TiR seems to get carried away a bit.......

Tony, I wasn't trying to be snarky with you. Perhaps I worded it badly. Pity was the wrong word.

Let's say 100 men are in a room. 10 of them are gay. Provided all are able to enjoy the civil rights of "marraige" I am not sure the majority doesn't have a right to pick a label like "marriage" to designate the long history and biological pair of men and women. Let's not argue that now. What I was saying was that I would give up this exclusive label being a straight guy and allow gay men to use it too. I think this is a matter of choice and not a requirement of equal rights. That is just my opinion. If more straight guys like me were secure in their sexuality and the stability of our culture, I see no reason why this won't eventually happen. By claiming it a right however, I think the door opens. With such present social instability it would cause deepening divisions. Of course that is just my opinion. Yes, I expressed the idea that marriage seems more geared towards the biological unit and family, but I long ago acknowledged that allow a gay couple to adopt while not allowing them the label married is silly. I don't know of another position closer to complete advocacy for gay marriage. If my nuance here bothers you, sorry.

Now I know you find me one sided and was being sarcastic. No matter, I'm sure you think I deserved it.

Craig, good spot. I have quit many times and occasional smoking is perhaps my only health vice. That and insomnia.

TiR, you are right. What we might see is a new reality show. NK fires a missile and we intercept it. I would agree that the behavior of Iran and NK show us that advanced weapons in the hands of their governments would be dangerous.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/

On one of the bloodiest days in Iran (day 12) the NYT does not show the videos of murder from the streets of Iran. It also doesn't mention that not a single Iranian diplomat accepted the July 4th invitation. It won't report on the letter Obama sent the Grand Mullah before their engineered election. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/24/iran-crisis

And of course today NK threatened to wipe America off the map.

"If the Republicans would stay out of the public's bedrooms, we probably wouldn't be so pissed at what goes on in theirs."

Worth repeating!

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239079

TIR

Well actually no you don't. You can get a restraining order. You can file a civil complaint in most cases and if the threats are bad enough a criminal case.. But for the most part, until the other party actually DOES something, you aren't allowed to do unto them first.

Posted by: TruthinReality Author Profile Page | June 24, 2009 4:36 PM

No, I meant Sanford.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239082

TIR

Would you care to cite a quote where anyone blamed Elizabeth for the affair or the book? Or is this just another throw it out there and see if anyone falls for the bs?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239002
.... and I 'always' enjoy yours.

"I believe in the civil rights afforded by our Constitution!!"

Hear, hear Tony!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239028
CBob, I noticed that article also said that second hand smoke may lead to the same neuroinflamation condition, causing nerve and brain damage.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239073 "intentionally sabotaging his political career"

I don't think it's that complicated LordB (you have changed your name so many times, I don't know what to call you anymore)..... I think these guys just think they can get away with it, and a lot of them do.

Jamie, at what age did you finally have success with quitting smoking? Was it in your 60s by any chance?

And research also reveals that men have more success with smoking succession than women. I theorize that it is because they don't have those damn hormones to deal with. Well they have hormones but theirs cause them other problems, just as disgusting, as evidenced by some of the discussion today. (willing to throw one's entire career away to scratch an itch)

If anyone wants to judge me for my weakness, then I say he/she without exposure to any other carcenogens can cast the first stone.

I don't get sick. I don't miss work. I can count on 4 hands the number of sick days I've had in 40 years of work and two hands were from last year with my fall. Only 10 total days off with 3 compression fractures and two back surgeries to pump me back up. The sick day I took for Maggie last week doesn't count. She isn't ever exposed to my smoke.

I don't particularly want to live forever since, with no children, I won't have anyone to take care of my old ass. If I can't outlive my Maggie girl then I will leave her the camp and all my money and whoever agrees to take care of her, in the lifestyle she is accustom to, can have it all.

And Chloe, my twin, is not the one who was visiting. My twin lives here. She drives me nuts. We are faternal twins and have nada in common. We can't even hang together long without wanting to kill one another. She smokes like a chimney.

What about Dems? They get a pass? I mean, Blagojevich, Edwards. Kwame Kilpatrick? I'm an independent. I hold both repubs and dems responsible for their actions.

You can call me whatever you like, Chloe. "xrep" has plenty of suggestions. "Intentional sabotage" is the only rational explanation. You'll hear others make the same point starting in, oh, about an hour or so.

Corey, feel free to start your own list.

The thing is, the Repubs keep on about moral and family values, ad nauseum while they're being big FAT hypocrites.

If they'd STFU already, there would be no List.

It's like Jamie posted and I reposted,

"If the Republicans would stay out of the public's bedrooms, we probably wouldn't be so pissed at what goes on in theirs."

That's my position.

tt

Obama has got to be a bit peeved at Sanford for stealing the headline away from his ABC Health Care Info commercial. I think Sanford's return today is his way of committing seppuku for the Republican Party, and to torpedo Obama's Health Care coverage. Obama has got to be thinking, 'Sanford you dumb ass you could have stayed away for a another day or two, but no you had to come back on my special news coverage day. The news whores will devote hours upon your sexual escapades.' Is it not wonder Obama still sneaks cigarettes.

Jackals at the feast, Corey.

CT, I have never smoked. When I was little, my Grandma lived with us. She smoked all the time. She finally started falling asleep with cigarettes in her hand. My Dad told her that she couldn't smoke while we were out of the house. For example, if the family went out for dinner and she stayed home alone, she wasn't allowed to smoke because she could start a fire. Many relatives on my Dad's side of the family smoked. They all smoked when they were around my sister and I when we were little. My parents didn't smoke, although my Mom smoked for a brief period when she was in high school, but she quit. I've always been anti-smoking. Most people who I know that smoke can't quit because they are addicted to it. I never saw the appeal of cigarettes, so I never started smoking.

CT

Yes, I quit almost three years ago. There are still times (first cup of coffee in the morning or if feeling stressed) when the urge reappears, but it usually passes quickly.

But, TT, it's not happening in their bedrooms! It's happening at hotels...Argentina....etc....LOL!

"You'll hear others make the same point starting in, oh, about an hour or so."

Not me M'Lord..... I won't hear a thing (although I may read it).
Mark Sanford did refer to his affair as being with a 'her'. He said he hurt 'her' and he hurt his wife in the same breath. You could easily be right about the sabotage thing, but I don't think that's a given is all. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/06/24/sot.sc.sanford.affair.scetv

FYI, dark-lord-bloggingham.myopenid.com, The List was started years ago right here. Many have contributed to it as the hypocrisy is so overwhelming.

tt

"If anyone wants to judge me for my weakness"

Carol, I sure don't look at it as a weakness.
I've heard stories like that, where certain people smoke for a lifetime with no problems. Maybe it's a type of immunity.

Ensign is overshadowed and is old history now.

Sanford, besides being a hypocrite, picked Father's Day to have his tryst.

Dazzling!

tt

Carol....
About 3 yrs ago, Julia, posted all kinds of thing one can be while living in California.... such as a child molester... an adultery committer... etc, etc... and even a goat fucker.... but one must NEVER, EVER be a smoker....

I'm still LMAO!!!

I'm not a smoker.... but I'm fat... I LOVE my wine.... and I'm definitely a biblioholic....

ALL human beings have vices.... and the ones that don't have any physical ones are usually sanctimonious asses...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239112

..... there you go, getting yourself in trouble again.

"Many have contributed to it as the hypocrisy is so overwhelming."

Where? Here or in the GOP?

^(snark)

Have a good day.

^(not snark)

Chloe, there were a few drops of rain that came down from the sky a few minutes ago. A little tease. I looked at the radar and it looks like a game of astroids, little dots of showers falling down the map. I hope some of those little shower astroids hit us. I'm dancing sister.

Jamie,

Members of the Democratic party for one. Not for the affair, she wasn't the one screwing around, but because she learned of the affair, and she didn't use her powers to persuade John the "F"ing Creep from running for office. And as to her book, they are pissed because her book keeps the story in the news. Poor Elizabeth, the victim, the cancer patient, have these people no shame. No tears for John Edwards, he got what he deserves for what he did to his family. If you want to cheat on your spouse be my guest, but when your spouse is terminally ill maybe you may want to put the well being of the ill spouse ahead of your sexual rendezvous. Just a thought there, John Boy.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/711661.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239125

You make me laugh so much, I can't even tell you. Every day.
(hey, at this point, we'll settle for a few drops)

Carol, It's a 100 here, but feels like a 106 (per yahoo) because of the damn humidity. What's it there?

Dear tiptoe,

Tahnaks for the list of corruptors. I wish to add a couple to your list. Unfortunately it takes some explanation. Fortunately the explanation is rollicking and bawdy.

Former Anchorage Assembly Chair, republican dan coffey, Commercial Sex Abuse atty, and owner of a pro hockey club and other businesses, who got caught voting on matters in which he had a pecuniary interest, ie as the attorney of a strip joint that was seeking a variance. Iow, a pimp.

Anchorage Assembly Member, republican bill starr, supporter of Commercial Sex Abuse Industry in Anchorage. Iow, a pimp. starr was outed for trying to extort the Anchorage Police Chief. starr was heard saying on an accidental recording explained below, "I told that mufgering sunovabidge that if he doesn't get the cops to endorse me, no police gym!"

After discussing the police gym, coffey and starr were inadvertently recorded planning to deposit the body of a fellow Assembly person (a pro-moralism republican) on the mudflats. This is an Anchorage euphemism for killing.

First Murderer (A Shakespearean technical term), Assembly Chair dan coffey, had accidentally bumped a button on his cel phone. The cel phone rang up the last person coffey had verbally abused, Democrat Assembly Member Alan Tesche. Tesche's voicemail picked up and recorded the 2 murderers' plot to dispose of their fellow republican.

Fortunately, Tesche broadcast the conversation on the radio before the skullduggers could put their plot into action. Thus, the life of a 3d dimwitted Alaskan republican was saved by a Democrat hiding behind the cyberarras.

Sorry tt !

That was supposed to read 'Thanks'.

Maybe I need a hand transplant.

About the same here Chloe. Hey did you notice, I didn't post even one little comment yesterday, at least I don't think I did. I was giving ya'll a break from my trivia. Did you enjoy it?

No I didn't enjoy it. I was disappointed you weren't here, and was glad to see you back this morning. (I don't think I was around much yesterday either.... but I could be wrong). Trivia is my favorite thing.

Carol, I didn't mean for it to come out that way, but I think the main thing we just agreed on is that we both could be wrong. But I really can't remember what I said yesterday. LOL

.... whatever it was, I am sure it wasn't that important though.

sanford said that he "hurt her". How badly ?

Is she dead ? Is this why he dragged her all the way to Argentina, knowing that there is no extradition treaty with that country ?

Enquiring minds want to know.

XRepub, She lives in Argentina. But it doesn't much matter what he tells us, because we all already know he's a liar and a cheat.

Posted by: RebelliousRenee | June 24, 2009 5:15 PM : "ALL human beings have vices.... and the ones that don't have any physical ones are usually sanctimonious asses..."

Agreed. And, the more sanctimonious the mouth, the more perverted the mind.

FactCheck on the uninsured. Sometimes it supports your beliefs and other times it scuttles you.

http://www.factcheck.org/politics/the_real_uninsured.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239126

TIR

That article you linked does exactly what you did ... a vague reference with no names or actual quotes

"Critics blame her for letting her husband continue his campaign knowing that the affair could not only come to light"

This is a tactic on both the left and right that I find particularly odious. If you are going to say something negative about someone or even hint that they may have done something wrong, then have the guts to put your name on it and provide the evidence or reasons for suspicions.

The "everybody knows" kind of talking point is just plain crap and not worth any consideration.

everybody knows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh9AC0jCGjY

The postal service just showed up with a thank you from Sea for assistance with the 94th project blog. When she says thank you, she goes completely overboard. Courtesy of the great candymaker of New Moon Magick

http://www.newmoonmagick.net/

If received two boxes of fudge. Two boxes of Baracky Road Fudge. One bag of Yes I Candy and one bag of nonpareils plus a skull and crossbones T Shirt to outfit me for the next Talk Like a Pirate Day.

May I suggest that you all use the link above and buy yourself or someone you really, really love a whole lot of decadence.

Ditto Jamie's comments. OSH makes the best candy in the world.

While US news has been blathering on about Argentina, the BBC tonight did a feature on prisoner abuse under the Air Force at Bagram AFB with pictures of injuries of people now released.

As usual instead of concentrating on serious issues that really affect our lives: Health Care, War, torture etc. The media has spent the whole day distracted by the latest "ooooohhhh look a new sparkly"

so did you guys see that Fox News identified Gov Sanford as a Democrat instead of what he really is a Republican? Not the first time that Fox News has done that either. Mark Foley was identified as a Democrat also when he had his troubles.

Could the resident book maker please establish odds as to where Fox news will assess the blame for the Mark Sanford mess...

1. The Jews
2. Liberal Media
3. Barack Obama for not coming out more forcefully against adultery.

I'm going to put $50 on the 3 horse

Bear

You forgot number 4 - Failure to nuke Iran

5. Bill Clinton

Senor Fish

Leonard Cohen could seduce icebergs

"While people without health insurance often delay or forgo care, in 2008, the uninsured
received $116 billion worth of care from hospitals, doctors, and other providers"

TIR
From your health care link.

I believe that comes out to over a trillion dollars when you do a 10 year projection. If you take into account inflation, guess what.
It turns out that the kennedy health bill is costing us nothing.
Universal health care for free.

Yet we don't want nope free isn't good enough.

Jack

6. but the democrats are worse

Jack

The Congress Critters owned by the Insurance companies don't like to mention that we already pay for this health care at the most expensive point of service. It's in city, county, and State expenses except the cities, counties, and states are going broke unable to pay the bills that they are gouging out of the hides of tax payers in ever higher fees for service.

But hey! Lets pad the pockets of Blue Cross some more. At some point the whole economy will crash into third world status and no one will have health care, but the rich will have theirs socked away on an island somewhere.

Jamie

I'm afraid you are right.

Short sighted on their part as they are currently paying for a big chunk of it because of overhead cost.

Big business shortsighted?

Who would a thunk it.

Jack

A little heat from Buenos Aires courtesy of Patti Lupone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvWJGeZFOdk

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239101

"Tony, I wasn't trying to be snarky with you. Perhaps I worded it badly. Pity was the wrong word."

Hi Max
Yes pity was the wrong word but its ok...It seems as though your evolving on the issue of gay marriage....If so, I'm glad...Its just about are Constitution....I'm gay and trust me if you were you would be feeling as I do....Its hard living and not feeling legitimized by society..I don't expect everyone to agree with are lifestyle but afford us the same rights as you enjoy from the Constitution..

I still like the pay or play plan

The employer either has a basic medicare style health plan or better or he pays a payroll tax.

Obama has disinvited the Iranis for the Fourth of July ... No hot dogs for you!!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239169

That's fine as far as it goes. There still needs to be a Public plan. The Insurance companies can match that plan or they can go out of business. Allow everyone to buy into Medicare. It's not free. Communities can create co ops. Insurance companies could match.

It works well in Europe. Why not here?

Tony
I didn't have time to get in the middle of Max's evolutionary thesis.
But I think Max doesn't understand the importance of the single uncle or aunt to the survival of the prehistoric extended family.
You know how it goes.
Somebody has to stick the spear in the belly of the mastadon.
All the fathers go "I can't do it I got kids to support"
So the gay uncle says
"what the hell, I'll do it for you again, I'm a good guy. Your are going to invite me to the feast this time, right?"

And so it's been all through history. Uncles get no respect.

Jack

Obama is gonna throw out the first pitch at the MLB All Star game.

Sorry Jamie the wife called and I didn't expand.

The payroll tax would go to an expanded medicare system. Medicare works great even though it is a limited program. They payroll tax won't cover everything there will need to be a tax to cover the folks that don't work(the bums that panhandle on the corner) But that leave employers free to entice employees with better private coverage if they wish and some of them will.

Jack

Corey
lets hope he can make it to the plate. It is embarrassing watching these politicians bounce the ball 10 ft in front of the plate. I mean why do they bother.

Jack

corey

How is work, plenty of it?

Jack

Thunder boomers coming in off the Kansas prairie.
some heavy stuff playing west of Topeka

Jack

Chloe, our official high today was 102 F. Scary. It didn't rain.....yet. Haven't given up....still dancing.

CJoe

Here is an article that tries to answer your healthcare question yesterday.
It is a good read

http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/hidden-health-tax.pdf

Night all
I've got to get up at 4 in the morning. Got to get my father-in law to the hospital for outpatient surgery.

He got a bad infection under his foreskin. waited to tell us then it has taken 3 months to get it taken care of. His urologist was a 30 day wait then on the day of his appointment they cancelled and it was another 30 days

Poor guy.

but tomorrow he gets his tallywhacker clipped. I hope that is not just the start of his troubles.

But don't tell me we have a better medical system than the world. Those that believe that just haven't had to use ours.
I had the same trouble with a urologist when I had a kidney stone that wouldn't pass. For me 6 weeks with the pain and that was supposedly with very good insurance..
Inexcusable but that is our medical system

Jack

Jamie he disinvited them after not a single Iranian diplomat accepted......

Tony, another time on that one, but Jack makes a point. I'll respond another time. I would feel as you do were I in your shoes.

What Edwards did was dispicable and Elizabeth did go along. Thus, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, the dude from Dakota sunk Hillary. That is a measure beyond the Republicans latest offing. Is someone saying Democrats don't pretend to be more principled that Republicans? And much of the rap music Liberals like is also quite dispicable towards women (and Gays).

Seems Democrats have some big issues and then there is the record of Boxer, Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Durbin, Buress and others who test the line of criminality. Thought you had nailed that Senator from Alaska? Pre-emptive attacks on their Govenor from Liberal pundis and comics? The Liberal CHOIR is far louder than RUSh or Hannity. Hell, O'Reilly defended Hillary more than Oberrman or Chris.

Sad thing now is that many Liberals want to turn they gaze from Neda and others. Today was a brutal day for women and men in Iran. The answer is not nukes, but shutting the gasoline, forcing Germany to act and promoting the general strike of Iranian oil. Bring these tyrants to their knees. The inability to get Russia more on our side may be the failure of this effort. They don't like us using that Central Asian air base.

Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | June 24, 2009 9:02 PM

I'm jealous. Enjoy.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6151

Lots of internet chatter about this story.

And it has legs Arabs, Israelis and conservatives don't find so funny.......

Max

I commented about the latest shiny thing making the media forget the blood in the streets of Teheran.

Again, Whether or not the pols dem and rep alike get a little on the side is not the issue. The reason we get so angry with the reps is that they are the ones lecturing everyone else on how to live their lives.

The only time I get upset with the Dems playing fast and loose is if they do it on the public dime.

Sanford was particularly egregious in his condemnation of Clinton calling for his resignation, so his fall from grace is just one more example of that rampant hypocrisy. In light of his previous statements, I expect Sanford to have the good grace to resign.

Max

That Debka article is very poorly written unless that was done on purpose. There is no conflict between a letter BEFORE the election to the Supreme Leader indicating a desire for cooperation and a statement AFTER a fraudulent election.

The Kahameini wasn't running for an office, but he is in a position of power. Before the bloody mess we have all seen, it makes sense to seek a raprochment. Afterwards, it makes sense to condemn

New report. American geeks are hacking into official Irani websites to erase names of people to be arrested, shut down access to communication and just creating problems in general. If they are defending their own communications, they don't have the ability to mess with others.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239172

Jack
Oh boy do you have it right.I raised up my niece Ashley.Her father died when she was 3 and I no all about parenting...I'm glad I did so but I still want the legal right to do so here in Florida should I choose...I won't hold my breath though..Thanks for your comment it really makes me feel good to know so many folks get it...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/craigs-smokeout-tips.html#comment-239181

Max
OK another time.I thank you for your honesty.....

I just watched the news conference with Sanford. It was almost amusing. Seems like he was trying to tittalate us with the details of his affair. I think he was getting off to it. I was half way expecting him to tell us what she was wearing when they had sex. Then all the name dropping of God. Those Republicans are getting better at this stuff all the time.

Jamie, yes, I have a chip on my shoulder over those who went after Clinton. I could never vote for Newt, not that I ever vote for republicans (only one exception).

Don't think that Democrats don't have an idea of how we should live our lives. I don't think you mean that. They are often preachy. I would argue Democrats have their religion too and it is very preachy in a different way.

If Obama thought Ahmadinejad was going to win, so much for his advisors saying there was an Obama effect.......His letter seems to suggest an acceptance of the Islamic regime and its conduct internally and externally, an acceptance of a sort of Iranian hegemony and a useless projection of solving the Iranian nuclear issue. The letter's details will decide.

It is clear> NK is getting out of control. Irani is clubbing women protesters (far more than just a Tehranian revolt as Mousavi is under arrest), Russia is leaning back to Iran, violence is upticking in Iraq as we prepare to leave, and Obama is disinviting Iranian diplomats that had no intention of coming to America for the 4th. We open our embassy again in Chevezville despite new evidence of bad behavior. The road blocks I have predicited are marching forward but I think perhaps Obama can throw more under the bus. His time is running short. Already polls say he is not tough enough. Is that still 66% of Americans?

He seems to have better relations with Egypt than Israel. I say Obma should still play the careful word game, but behind the scenes, the gloves should come off. Stop the gasoline, support oil strikes and find a way to break down Iranian censorship of communications.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6591/1/

allow this group to relocate from Iraq to the US. They are a thorn in the regime's soft belly. Issue a warning that political leaders in Iran cannot be arrested for peaceful protests. Put a big missile defense program in Israel. Funny how Obama told Netanyahu settlements come before Iran. Now who put his foot in his mouth? Strange how Saberi is rather silent. I would have thought CNN would hire her. And sad is the plight of two female journalists serving time in NK.

Seems media wasn't too alarmed about NK's wiping us off the map BS. We preotect SK and just sold them bunker busters. Meanwhile this administration won't approve Israli requests for missile defense. Smart move Rahm....

And what Sanford did is all Stephen Colbert's fault. He told him he was boring, just a manila envelope glued to a beige wall. Sanford had to prove he wasn't.

snipers take out protesters. Can you believe this?

The apathy in America in some quarters is rather disgusting......

http://raymankojast.blogspot.com/

I can see why Obama didn't want to stay too long in the Senate....

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/ottolenghi/71191

Last one.....

A fine example of the NYT, LIberal journalism and change v principle. We should cleanup the act and I don't say this in a nasty way. The Right has their nuke everyone mentality. Just thinking.....

I really don't know why everyone seems so surprised that Sanford is an Adulterer since Lindsey Graham the South Carolina Senator is a War Criminal.

There just your typical Republicans and like other Southern States typical Republican racist and bigots are running them as well as representing them in the Federal Government.

Jamie,

Gary Pearce, Maureen Dowd, Kathleen Parker, Rebecca Traister, were critical of Elizabeth's book as were others. Try using Google.

The healthcare special on ABC was pretty good.

Of course that was simply a debate with the president answering tough questions from Americans interested in the issue. Not a bunch a partisan politicians seeking to score political points or cover their asses.

TIR

I use Google all the time. It is not my job to prove your statements. I have more than enough to do supporting mine and assisting others when they ask. You are on your own.

xrepublican, I'll put their names on the list, but it's so complicated you'll need to reduce it down to fit the format of The List.

Ya know, folks, I don't know why, but really I thought The List would end on 1/20/09.

What was I thinking??

Seems the Appalachian Trail extends to Argentina.

Updated List:

Culture of Corrupters & Family Values Evil Doers

A - Abramoff, Jack; Allen, George; Ashcroft,John; Army, US (Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch lies): Allen, Bob (trolling for $20 sex in bathroom); Addington, David (Cheney's Chief of Staff & Counsel & justifyied torture)
B - Bush, George; Brown, Mike (FEMA Brownie);(Black, Conrad on trial now); Batgnal, Joel (Homeland Security - Bin-Laden intel leak)
C - Cheney, Dick; Cunningham, Duke; Craig, Larry (bathroom lewdness); Coffey, Dan (Alaska)
D - Delay, Tom; Doolittle,John (R-Ca Abramoff scandal); Doherty, Chris (Reading First cronyism scandal, Education Dept.)
E -Edelman, Eric (Defense - Letter to Hillary). Ensign, Senator John (affair 6/09)
F - Frist, Bill; Fastow, Andrew (ENRON); Foley, Mark; Foggo, Dusty (CIA); Feith, Douglas (Pentagon official distorted prewar intelligence); Fielding, Fred (W.H. counsel Bin-Laden intel leak)
G - Gonzales, Alberto (Fredo); Goodling, Monica; Griles, J. Steven (deputy interior secretary, lied re: Abramoff favors); Giuliani, Rudy (dirty money); Goeglein, Tim (plagarizing Bush aide); Gibbons, Jim, Gov. Nevada (divorce & corruption)
H - Hassert, Dennis; Hannity, Sean (Fox noise); Haggard, Ted (lusty evangelist); Hughes, Karen (Counselor to Bush)
I - Interior, Dept. of (sleeping with the enemy)
J -
K - Kidan, Adam; Kaden, Robert & Kristol, William (war architects. co-founded the Project for the New American Century); Kohring, Vic (AK State Rep extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Kott, Pete (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Krongard, Howard J., Inspector General, Department of State - fraud & abuse in Iraq
L - Lewis; Lay, Ken, (ENRON); Libby,Scooter; Limbaugh, Rush (just because)
M - Myers, Harriet(attorney?); McNulty, Paul (Federal Deputy Attorney General - hearings); McConnell, Mitch (money to BAE)
N - Ney; Novak; Nacchio, Joe (Qwest insider trading); Nord, Nancy (lead toys); Nielsen, Jeffrey Ray (Rohrabacher (R-CA) aid, lewd lewd acts on a child)
O - O'Reilly, Bill (Fox noise)
P - Putnam, Adam (conservative media machine-Pelosi); Perle, Richard (Neo-Con jerk); Prince, Erik (Blackwater)
Q - Quakenbush,Chuck (California Insurance commissione)
R - Rumsfeld, Don; Rove, Karl; Rice, Condi; Rudy Tony; Renzi, Rick (Rep-R AZ govt land swap)
S - Safavian, David; Scanlon, Michael, Stillwel, Roger; Skilling, Jeff (ENRON); Small, Lawrence (Smithsonian): Stevens, Ted (Alaska); Spitzer, Eliot (NYS Govenor, sex scandal); Stevens,Ted (AK) many ethics violations., Sanford, Mark (S. Carolina Argentina sex scandal): Starr, Bill (Alaska)
T - Tobin, James; Tobias, Randall (State Dept. & call girls); TEXAS (Because it exists); Tanner, John (DoJ, racist)
U - Ullman, Harlan (expert on national security & on madam's list); U.S. Congress (for knuckling under to Bush); Urbahn, Keith (Rummy's aid)
V - Voltz, Neil; Vitters, David (LA Senator & the D.C. Madam); Villegas, Martin; (Bush's bootmaker & illegal shipments of banned skins into the U.S.)
W - Wolfowitz, Paul; Westmoreland, Lynn (10 Commandments); Weyhrauch, Bruce (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill)
X -
Y -Yoo, John (legal authority for torture)
Z - Zachares,Mark (former congressional aide to Don Young (R-AK), pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff in exchange for his influence-peddling.)

tt

Obama spoke about increasing the number of doctors that go into the field of primary care by discussing incentives such as loan forgiveness.

But I think he should of also stressed increasing the number of nurses and physian assistants as a way to increase primary care, cut costs AND curb unemployment.

A lot of important treatments - especially with preventative care - can be handled by nurses and physian assistants.

And like I say - you can't export those jobs.

Obama also should of stressed that by increasing the number of people who are insured - more healthcare will actually be paid for. Treating uninsured - many of whom do not pay their bills - in the ER is something that drives up the costs of healthcare for everyone.

I watched Rachel for a while because she said Reza Aslan was going to be one, but then she went ono and on re Sanford. What she said was fine and she has the same reservations re him that I have, but I wanted to hear from Reza. He is so clear about what he is saying, one of the best. I wandered away then but kept returning and finally caught the last of an interview.

He opined this could go on for months; the young woman Neda's body has not been returned to the family, and they've been kicked out of their home. Tomorrow is supposed to be mourning ceremony for her. Reza also said that he and others thought Rachel was doing the best coverage on Iran. Hmmm - I'l have to watch her some more.

The thought stikes me that, with women not having affairs, and thumbing their noses at the Supreme Leader, and Mousavi's wife challenging to the government, making demands, while the boys are screwing whatever or whoever and lying stupidly, the men are being outclassed.

No snark intended - I'm serious. Women are in the forefront right now.

~New Thread~

tt

"The thought stikes me that, with women not having affairs, and thumbing their noses at the Supreme Leader, and Mousavi's wife challenging to the government, making demands, while the boys are screwing whatever or whoever and lying stupidly, the men are being outclassed.

No snark intended - I'm serious. Women are in the forefront right now."

... nicely said Bethy (as well as well thought through). I hope you're right, and their time has come.

Congratulations on quitting smoking. Both of my parents died from smoking-related diseases. My mother had emphysema, and after a bout of pneumonia that went to sepsis and nearly killed her, she was condemned to wear an oxygen mask for the rest of her life. She commented to me one day that she had become very sensitive to smoke and now understood for the first time what I had been complaining about for 30 years. I smiled through my tears. Believe me, I would trade having been right any day, if only I could get my parents back. Good luck to you.