Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Hoo Woo, I'm pissed at you Craig. Throwing up that topic last night at my bedtime and getting me all cranky. I didn't sleep well and I will be cranky all day now. Whatever happens today that isn't good will be all your fault.

attacking the messenger?

(lol)

that's too bad about linda ketner.....my daughter likes her and she would have been good in office......but that's politics in SC......que lastima.......

And I am still waiting for the answer to my question last night. Exactly how is it that Ms. Palin is a slut? Is it because she is an attractive female politician? Is it because she has a different political ideology?

And why is it that her kids/family are such fair game? Is that because she is a woman? I need someone to do some splaning to me.

It wasn't so much the message Sturge as it was the timing for Craig. Even though I would have liked a little more indignation on his part last night. Actually I was surprised that Keith O was as critical as he was. He certainly doesn't seem to me to be pro woman, usually more the opposite.

and that should be "splaining" but if I'm gonna butcher the spelling of a word, I might as well butcher it good.

Hell, my Maggie even got out from under the covers last night and crawled under the bed and there was no thunder anywhere around.

Pogo,

Your thrust in re detainees is different than mine. As a military person I always look at protecting a fighter's status as a POW. Absent compelling evidence, a fighter shall be considered a POW rather than a criminal interloper.

I do agree that an individual contesting characterization as either a POW or a criminal, should be afforded access to the courts via Habeas Corpus.

Gone for the day.

Carol would Maggie sense an earthquake somewhere?

After Letterman's head writer retired a couple of years ago, his show has slipped dramatically. Very little creative effort now.

Yes Flatus, she sensed one sitting next to her in the bed!

I will have a long day today, work, chores and my NP meeting tonight that your medication dollars help to finance. I will be checking in later to see if any of you men have tried to answer my question. Any brave souls out there?

What what exactly was my Patsi doing when I needed her here last night?

And Warren would have been better off going to get his bourbon, beer and pizza last night but I guess it is a couple of days too early for that.

Did team Letterman mean it in a political sense, because that could be said of most politicians.

The most popular shows now involve the public voting, so, being a media/celeb culture, we voted Obama on to the shows.

Craig, love the new eyewear.

And women out there, you better wake up and smell the coffee. Lately we have been moving backward! Some of us older broads have worked hard to make some progress and now many of the younger ones are letting that all go to waste.

I'm closing in on the end of my professional career so it doesn't matter as much to me but with the younger women, they will reap what they sew.

CT,

Just dropping in quickly because I have to leave for work, but wanted to echo your comment about younger women in the work place.

A 60ish lady in our office wears the scars and still has a bit of a chip on her shoulder regarding sexism on the job and elsewhere. Two younger women who work closely with her don't notice the slights the older lady sees, and they seem to think the fight is over, or not worth fightng. I agree with you that their day will come, and they'll wish they had given more support to their "radical" co-worker.

Sad but true.

Yep Ed, they have been reaping the rewards of all our scars without lifting the first finger. But if they don't keep up the fight they will be starting all over. I'll be sitting in my rocking chair mumbling, "I told you so."

I think it would be fitting to start a campaign for a "Night without Nookie" in honor of Dave Letterman.

I need your help here Oprah!

Over and out.

To paraphrase the old Reese's peanutbutter cup commercials: Hey, you got politics in my entertainment. Yeah, well you got entertainment in my politics.

c'bob - Haven't looked, but pretty sure my corn is a washout...it's still pouring down.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/release-the-torture-evidence.html#comment-235193

Carol,

Wish I'd stayed a while longer last night to get a glimpse of your gator picture. Threatening looking little rascal -- that's the closest I've ever gotten to seeing one in the flesh.

... Darn, missed you again this morning.
On the run, will have to catch up on the threads later.

Glad you always post your Olbermann appearances, Craig.... I was busy watching the Red Sox beat the Yankees again.... hehehe....

I think Palin's mistake regarding her family was in parading them around in front of the media.... of course she needed to answer questions about her pregnant daughter... but answering questions is not the same as actually parading said daughter and her boyfriend in front of cameras....

I don't watch any of the late night shows.... I'm a morning person...

at first.... Obama's celebrity bothered me.... but after watching his speech from Cairo last week.... and thinking it can probably do some good for the world.... it's beginning to grow on me...

oh and I forgot to mention....
my corn is sprouting despite our lousy weather this week.....

Morning all, have nearly caught up with all my jobs so hope to be back with you all soon.
Firstly, was greatly saddened by the shooting at the USHM yesterday.. My Dad even more so. He remains frustrated by the location chosen for the Jewish State and doesn't see an end in sight to their troubles
Am wondering why Palin assumed that Letterman was talking about her 14 year old. Could it be because Bristol was in Alaska and the other was at the game? If so, too bad that it wasn't pointed out.
Slutty? That's pretty GD obnoxious on his part. Palin knows how to dress and she does it tastefully and looks comfortable in them. She has a great figure and wears flattering clothes. Nothing slutty there. Think Michelle could use a lesson or two from her but we won't be hearing anything of the sort from the media. Her dress isn't in anyway slutty nor is her behavior, in fact her devotion to her husband is somewhat nauseating.
Secretly thrilled to be on the top 10 list? Come on Craig, I'm sure she was thrilled right up until number 2 and her style of dress was compared to slutty on national television. I'm sure the thrill was gone then. Latitude for comedians is an argument that the media used in defense of tolerance for hateful, sexist, racist etc. statements comedians make during the time Imus was fired. Olbermann was his biggest critic and I'm pretty sure he used that justification himself back then and would have if he didn't get the chance

... poked my head in and read the last thread..

"I am not even sure I really know what patronizing means?!
(But you are probably right that I sound that way)
Lo siento."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/palin-vs-letterman.html#comment-235231

Warren, I like you more and more, the more you talk.

"Now is the time for women to show a little outrage in how differently women are treated in politics."

Carol, I believe Patsi is out of town, and without her computer, for a few days. That's why she was around to help you.

'nt

Now is the time for women to show a little outrage in how differently women are treated in politics."

Oh, and Carol, a lot of good it did last time.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235287

It's kinda like being a mother, Carol. You give them life, but then it's theirs to do with what they will.

Ree......montaner is a byootiful place......plenty of genuinely big sky to ride under......we played Black Eagle, outside of Great Falls in 71......the cowboys and the indians got into a huge bar fight..... we rode out to see the great falls on the missouri breaks, but they had them shut off.........lol

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ivy, or like me old ma used to say....."You feed 'em....they grow...."

here's an interesting article in this week's Nation by Katha Pollitt on older feminist vs younger feminists....
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090615/pollitt

IMO..... taking the tone of "you youngsters don't know what we went through and don't appreciate what you have because of us".... will only turn younger feminists off.... although I do understand the sentiments and have felt that way myself....

younger people must find their own way.....
and I think if we oldsters reach out our hands in respect... we'll get respect in return.... and maybe some understanding....

Coleman proving he is a loser in more ways than one.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/06/11/coleman_must_pay_franken_court_costs.html

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Sea,

Have you read your email?

mornin'

Flatus, I understand your position on detainees, and I agree with yhour position as opposed to the position taken by Bushco and to an extent adopted by SCOTUS. POW makes sense for those that are actual battlefield captures or for those who are legitimately and demonstrably operationally connected to our enemies in theatres of operation. It does not make sense for folks picked up by bounty hunters and who are denominated enemy combatants and held without charges. That is what the intent of the 3 major SCOTUS decisions appears to me to be - to provide prisoners an opportunity to challenge the status under which they are being held, and to keep the government somewhat honest in its denomination of and detention of those prisoners. It is also btw what the Bill of Rights seeks to do - limit the government's power over us. But more than that, what the decisions do is make clear that even in time of war, the executive branch may not do away with checks and balances, which forms the basic structure and operation of our government. I approve of it.

Craig, I'm not sure what changes have been made by the CQ techies, but I can now view your vids - great vid, btw, and I kinda like the Tinkerbell chime.

carol, I agree that calling Palin's look slutty was over the top - bad word choice at a minimum, but politicians' looks aare joked about - Biden was joked about for his hair plugs, Boner for his tan, Nancy Pelosi for her facework, Hillary for her hips. The criticisms of womens' looks do tend to be more gender related than those of men - I'll grant you that. And really, while she is not my cup of tea, Palin is attractive and she has pretty kids. I took the joke about Sptizer more as a joke about Spitzer than about Bristol, but I may have missed the point. Bristol shouldn't be the source of any attack just because she did what teenagers do and got pregnant as a result, but IMHO she is fair game as an example of the hypocrisy and uselessness of her mother's positions on abstinence only education. What we have to remember is that Letterman is a comedian, not a political pundit. His job is to make people laugh and buy soap. If he isn't funny, he'll change his jokes.

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So i am getting my nightly fill of Fox and I think it is high time the left starts hitting back on healthcare.

Thanks to the man-child Franky Boy Luntz - all i hear from the right are the catchphrases of government rationing and sowing the seeds that Obama's plan will result in less healthcare as opposed to more.

(And it is all negative and tied into the overspending meme - which is effective - and there are no legitimate alternatives being proposed that the GOP could live with.)

Now I watched both sides debate in the run up to the election. And there was consensus that we needed healthcare reform. And that came from the electorate and the politicians could not ignore it.

There was also consensus - on both sides - that we need to:

1. Bring down costs

2. Increase access

So the debate should focus on ideas to acheive these ends - not all of the reasons why nothing should be done.

Also - we shouldn't think of all our problems in isolation.

Unemployment is on the rise. So lets encourage kids to join the healthcare industry with scholarships, etc. Can't ship those jobs overseas!

We should also eliminate the stigma that guys should not be nurses.

We should also increase the numbers of RNs and Physician assistants. They play a vital role in preventative care. They can also do much of the same work that doctors can do - but at much lower hourly rates. (They also don't keep u waiting as long ; )

Anyways, peeps - we can't lose control of this debate (again).

ct:

I think the only reason for Dave's "slutty" comment is that Palin is attractive.

Even though it is baseless, when a man is attacking an attractive woman, calling her a "slut" is one of the go-to moves.

I am speaking on behalf of my sex - not myself.

(And I have been trying to tread lightly on this subject - but I knew I would somehow get in trouble ; )

warren, you are right on this morning. As they say, "Wise beyond your years".

let's let carol be the judge of that pogo...

And I am interested to hear what Obama has to say on healthcare. I think the Dems are really becoming vulnerable on all this spending - and the right wing is making a pretty strong case against the push for healthcare (even though it appears to be largely based on misinformation).

Alright peeps - here is the "loyal opposition" re: healthcare (as opposed to the lunatic fringe). What do ya think?

Health reform possible without growing government

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20090611/pl_ynews/ynews_pl383

well, IMHO, you are pretty much on the money about guys and the convenient use of "slut" as a perjorative when there's not a valid critique at hand. As for Letterman, he's just trying to be funny. On this one he missed.

I just heard the anti public option commercial ... doom, gloom, scary music and did you know rather than covering the uninsured it will mean more than a million will lose their health care and be stuck with an inefficient and unworkable Government Plan ... lions, and tigers and bears OH MY!!!

You wonder why all of the other countries in the developed world have continued to exist at all.

Warren,

There are some good components in that op ed. One thing most proposals keep missing is that a public option that allowed younger people to buy into Medicare could actually save Medicare since it would be extended to the younger and healther instead of just the most elderly and sickest.

Tacoma has a wonderful system for low income and seniors that would probably work for the whole of the public. It is a system that joins together all of the medical services in the region coordinated through one health care insurance plan that gets its funds from Medicare, Medicaid, and low income sliding scale for services. Four clinics in different parts of the city for well care and normal family services (keeps people out of the emergency rooms unless it is actually an emergency). Four Hospitals one of which is a teaching Hospital associated with the University. One Testing location for everything such as MRIs etc.

Most of the day to day care is provided by RNs and PAs but an MD or specialist is always available if needed. There is no reason it couldn't be duplicated in almost every city in the country.

Reduced cost and good care.

Jamie:

I agree the op-ed makes some good points. One of the most striking things from the piece was the following excerpts:

"Reform starts with paying for quality, not quantity. According to a study at the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice, as much as $750 billion is spent each year on procedures or health-related services that don’t necessarily help patients get better."
...

"And physicians are paid more when they order more tests, procedures and office visits, whether you need them or not."

Is this rationing?! The govt coming in between a patient and doctors?! (I can hear Luntz screaming the "sky is falling" in the background.)

What makes me so mad - is that we all know there is waste in healthcare - and the GOP's catchphrases attempt to mask this and prevent any reform - reform that is crucial.

Let's be clear: I think if someone wants to pursue overly-precautious procedures - or spend money on treatments with little or no chance of success - that is their right.

But that does NOT mean that this strategy should be the norm rather than the exception. And such procedures should be the result of an informed choice by the patient.

We should work to make healthcare more efficient. And strive to have doctors order tests on the basis of: "I think this is in my patient's interest." - as opposed to: "WTF - insurance will pay for this and I want to cover my ass - so lets run all these tests...."

here's a link that might interest some of you.... it is TPM's dickday and his latest rant.... it's about Joe Scarborough and Joe's objection to Obama's healthcare plans....

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/dikkday48yahoocom/2009/06/scarborough-the-not-so-fair.php?ref=recmuck

"...a new English word or phrase is created about every 98 minutes, for an average of 14.7 per day. The proliferation of blogs and social networks has no doubt increased the frequency of new words..."

http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/06/10/english-language-gets-its-one-millionth-word-website-says/

rr - I can't believe Jon Stewart rented a pony for that lame bit after MoJo ref'd to him as "Napoleonic." The worst thing that could happen to MoJo is if Stewart ignored him.

"Four Chinese Muslims detained at Guantanamo Bay prison were freed Thursday and resettled in Bermuda..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_guantanamo_uighur_detainees

Bermuda...it beat Pulau...or Gitmo.

Man Renee - I could barely get any substance out of that memo - with all the partisan personal attacks. But I guess I should not be surprised since it is entitled dickday!! Hah! Anyways, I am not a fan of that stuff on either side of the aisle....

don, it's sad that you suffer from sad. no wonderful northern climes for you unless you have a lot of good gro- ight bulbs.
florida probably not a good choice as one more person might tip it into the ocean. won't tip toward the gulf, being the manmade tepid bathtub of algae, red tide and oil slick it is, it could float the entire state.
how about panama or cr? lots of water, beach and mountain type scenery and all that sun all year round. plus they had been enticing folks to move down with tax incentive promises.

"the President manipulate the media"

craig, how can that be? our dedicated journalists? professionals being manipulated? oh, that kind of professional...

well nevermind.

The saga continues:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_palin_letterman

1. Good point:

"I'm not necessarily proud of these jokes," he said in a more ironically self-deprecating moment. "We do stuff all the time and our objective here is to get a laugh, and thank God we don't have to go to the Hague and the World Court to defend them. It's a joke and that's all it's supposed to be."

2. A bit of contrition:

"Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes.

"Did I suggest that it was OK for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No."

3. A cheap shot by Palin's spokeswoman:

"The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show," said Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton. "Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

Warren...
I like reading dickday's stuff... but only do so occasionally.... and I take all of it with a huge heaping spoonful of salt.... yup.... it's hyper partisan and it's meant to be funny.... I don't watch morning television.... I linked to it for all those on this blog that do watch and frequently comment on Joe's show... they seem to share some of dickday's opinions....

Blue.... I haven't watched Stewart in a while.... haven't seen his "war" with Joe...

I've been trying to watch less television lately..... trying to do more reading....
wanting to get back to my life before all the election stuff intruded so heavily on my time.... and I'm enjoying it....

Craig,
You mean to tell us that politicians and the media use each other? Who Knew???

lots of talk these days about the idea of "unamerican"......there are plenty of americans who hate...........who hate jews......who hate blacks....who hate abortion doctors......who hate liberals, and who also even hate the president of the country, mr obama........isn't all this hatred of peoples is clearly contrary to the ideas expressed in the constitution and the declaration of independence? maybe it's time for the word and concept "unamerican" to be used for these people, since their desires are so clearly unamerican.

Reverend Wright has his mouth open again

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/rev-wright-blames-them-jews-for-keeping-president-from-talking-to-him.html

RR

Thanks for the link. The Morning Load is getting more too much postive feedback for his recent piles of poop.
And Mrs. Morning Load yikes --stares at him like Nancy used to look at Ronnie

Sturgeone,
People on the left are not without their hate-list either.

does anyone remember Dan Ackroyd saying to Jane Curtain on SNL, "Jane, you ignorant slut." Everyone laughed at that.

dooty

doots:

Another reasons people throw around the sl*t word is that they know it garners attention.

And at the end of the day, aren't most entertainers (and politicians) attention whores....

Rush doesn't say things for the truth of the matter - he says things that people will listen to and talk about...

Same goes for Dave.

(But just like all comedians - and politicians - they know they need to mix in a little truth here and there or people will stop listening...)

Obama: Lifestyle changes could ease health costs

By ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: Thursday, June 11, 2009 at 11:19 a.m.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090611/NEWS/906119959/1350?Title=Obama-Lifestyle-changes-could-ease-health-costs

How about changing the lifefstyles of the bloated overfed insurance companies

CJ

Thom Hartmann was funny today. He had on a Conservative who felt that too many were associating the far wacko right with honest Conservatives. During the course of the conversation, Hartmann agreed that the left has had its murderous wackos as well with groups such as SLA, weathermen and ELF but he contended that "our wackos are better than your wackos". Your wackos are cheered on by the likes of O'reilly and Rush and everything they do arises from hatred and fear. The left wing murderous wackos aren't cheered on by the left and are usually off the deep end of trying to improve the world (end war, go green blah blah)

It was rather entertaining - My crazies are better than your crazies.

My insane moron can beat up your insane moron.

Fair and Balanced.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235353

KGC

I can take Joe in small doses, but when he goes on one of his "I'm Big! I'm Loud! I'm Rude and can yell over everyone" rants, then I switch. They should keep an tranquilizer loaded elephant gun around to take him down during those scream fests.

"I should not be surprised since it is entitled dickday!! "
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235342

LOL. I mean really LOL.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235351
".who hate jews......who hate blacks....who hate abortion doctors......who hate liberals"

Good post Sturge.
I was just struck though how it looked like only conservatives are all those bad things.... as though us 'liberals' are a hundred percent pure love. Don't those left of the center have any faults?

Have fun with this conversation... let me know when it's over.

Jamie

Morning Load is an ignorant slut 100% of the time.

well.... I was going to just let it pass.....
but since Chloe brought it back up.....

he goes by the blog name of "dickday".... because his name is Richard Day....

and I'm sure that all the school kiddies on the playground gave him a hard time over it too.... :0)

"well.... I was going to just let it pass..."

Renee, Now you've made me laugh all over again.
I knew that was his name, but when Warren put it that way, it just struck me as so funny (probably because I didn't think Warren knew that was his name). Then the way Warren put it, it was so funny too.

I've read that blog before, and enjoyed it. Great commenters too. I'm glad you linked it, as I had forgotten about it for a while.

very cute:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/A_note_from_the_president.html#comments

President Obama got a girl at his town hall in Wisconsin today out of school with a note reading:

To Kennedy's teacher,
Please excuse Kennedy's absence ... She's with me.
Barack Obama

Craig,

Sorry I've waited so long to comment on your clip, because I really like it. You've been right on target.

I think a big piece of Obama's celebrity has always involved his campaigns manipulation of the press. Obviously, they haven't lost their touch. But maybe that's the way it should be. A good public relations department. We can take pride in that all over the world now.

That is cute Warren!
I hope she knows to get that back from her teacher, and frame it, to keep forever.

chloe:

I didn't know that was the name of the author. I just figured it was the name of the blog - and that each day - this blog would pick out a new right wing "dick" to attack.

too funny...

Did you see the first comment Warren.
"How sweet. This is why America loves Obama."

Chloe....
good!.... I'm glad you got a laugh....
I generally only read this blog.... but every once in a while when it's slow like today.... I head over to TPM on my lunch break....

"I didn't know that was the name of the author."

I figured that Warren. That's why it struck me so hysterically.

"pick out a new right wing "dick" to attack."

If that were the case, Warren, I'm sure he has no shortage of 'dicks' to choose from.

Thanks for the laugh Renee!

Warren...
that was a blog posted within a blog.... Talking Points Memo....

some of the regulars bloggers are invited to put up a subject to be discussed.... but it only lasts for a day.... and then poof.... it's gone...

dickday one time did a blog post as a Roman pirate... using only pirate and ancient Roman phrases to discuss Cheney and Rumsfeld.... it was one of the most hilarious things I've ever read online..... I wanted to link to it here the next day because Craig did a pirate post.... but alas.... I was too late....

so if I see something over there that might be of interest over here.... I'll now link to it right away....

Smokin' Sonoma County leads the way

There are now 1 million words in the English language — and the millionth word was created in Sonoma County. 'Web 2.0,' a term coined by Dale Dougherty to describe the next generation of Web services, became the one-millionth word on Wednesday.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090611/BUSINESS/906119949/1349?Title=And-the-millionth-word-in-the-English-language-is-

Doughterty lives in Sebastopol -the tye dye capital of the world

I was able to sneek a few lurks today and keep up with you guys.

Warren you aren't completely out of the doghouse yet for your comment last night on the Palin vs Letterman post of : "Woohoo - go Dave!"

Sea gets the bravery award for her comment, "Secretly thrilled to be on the top 10 list? Come on Craig, I'm sure she was thrilled right up until number 2 and her style of dress was compared to slutty on national television. I'm sure the thrill was gone then."

I felt the same way Sea but didn't want to be any more pushy on the subject than I already was.

I kind of felt like I was channeling Patsi some last night and today. I hope she agrees. Wouldn't want to offend my Patsi.

I am disappointed that we seem to have become so used to this kind of stuff that there is not much outrage anymore. I thought I would have a big team on my side and even my female dog ran under the bed.

Carol, I'm sorry you've felt so all alone in this fight.
It's just that aside from becoming desensitized to the things these jokesters say, there just doesn't seem to be a lot we can do about it. Except teach little girls not to listen to it. I'm not saying there's 'nothing' else we can do, but not much has worked so far. It's hard to figure out what will, after the way Hillary and Sarah were treated this last election. It'll just take time.

I felt like you were channeling Patsi too. And a good job you did. I'm sure she would be proud.

Chloe, it cracked open the, what they did to Hillary, wound. I couldn't control myself. I really wanted to go to bed last night and get some rest but noooo. Many on my team, the evening shift, had already gone to bed.

I was tired all day and I still have to go to my meeting tonight.

"conservatives" get to be associated with violent and murderous right-wing racists, religious bigots, woman-haters, xenophobes, and gay bashers, because "conservative" spokespeople cheer the haters on, and explain away the bad behavior as being the fault of the victims.

In the last 30 years, I have not heard any Dems refer to 'niggers', 'sand-niggers,' 'ragheads', 'chinks', 'gooks,' 'sheenies', 'kikes', 'wops', 'guineas', 'feminazis,' 'c#nts', 'queers', or 'c*cks#ckers', when refering to people. I have heard that sort of language with some frequency from fellows who identify themselves as "conservatives", and who claim to support republican candidates. I made mention last year about a group of aging North Philly devotees of McDonald's coffee, who meet every morning to swap lies and demean other, allegedly lesser, people. When I returned to St Paul, I found a similar crew talking the same talk in the mornings at the McDonald's on Rice Street. I have also heard some aging republican fellow members of one of my clubs, refer to 'queers,' 'c#nts', 'feminazis', 'beaners', 'spics', 'chinks', 'Japs', 'wops', 'niggers', and 'kikes.'

Oddly, one of these arschlochs I sonmetimes 'pal' with is a bigshot in the Catholic Defense League. His specialty is demeaning women, gays, 'liberals', and 'secular humanists', which he calls, 'broads', queers', 'libberz', and 'anti-Catholic secular humanists'.

There is no sense in republican flacks trying to make the rest think that "conservatives" don't think and talk like this, because we all know that lots of them do, and that the rest of the 'conservatives' think it's a hoot. How often do you hear "conservatives" ream out "conservative" hate-mongers like limbaugh, savage, or coulter.

Regarding serial husband Dave Letterman, even if it was a swipe at the sluttish cultures of the Palin, Johnston, and A-Rod tribes, it was remarkably inept, and hurtful to the young Palins. However, I hear fairly frequently similar 'witticisms' from right-wingers about the sluttish mores of 'libberz' and 'hoes'. I say that if you can't stand the heat (meaning that kind of talk about 'your people') maybe you'd better get out of the party that alwayscharacterizes other people in mean language.

Considering I went to see Hangover last night I must agree with Chloe's point about being desensitized.. I think Letterman can be an ass but he does it so often at some point -- commenting seems pointless.
He was horrible to Senator Clinton during the campaign.

For awhile people here did make fuss over the sexist and stupid remarks made about Palin and it would be the right thing to continue to do so but I think I would rather ignore it and hope it all goes away.

Yeah, but you get a nice dinner at that meeting, right?
And the weekend is coming up.

Carol, don't let this stuff open that wound. Didn't you notice all the posts to you today. People agree with you. Things are getting better.

I'd like to associate myself with x-r's remarks.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235395

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235344

Thanks patd. I always think of Florida as kind of a floating sponge. One day it's just going to pop the cork and sink.

A friend says that the US has ruined Costa Rica. American companies are pulling out now and leaving the locals high and dry. He's thinking of the Dominican Republic but I don't know anything about it. Costa Rica has great national health care and as I don't have children I could find help easily so I'm thinking of retirement there.

Isn't 'slut' now a term for anyone without resolve that gives in easily? I like the urban dictionary definition. 'A woman with the morals of a man'.

Do you think it is fair that Imus had to pay such a price for his comment and Letterman gets a pass? I don't see much difference in the two comments. The victims of the comments were different but Letterman attacked both Palin and her daughter.

And, again I am not a fan of Palin's ideology. But personal inappropriate attacks should be limited to ideology. Letterman was doing an Ann Coulter. She makes lots of money being an A-hole. And the sad thing is that it probably boosted Letterman's ratings.

I would still like to see a national campaign for a Night Without Nookie in honor of Letterman.

XRepub,
I understand (and often agree with) what the left 'hates' about that certain faction of the the right. Even keeping in mind that all prejudice and bitogtry grows out of ignorance. Ignorance itself is the enemy.

So why can't we talk about that particular group in a way that doesn't refer to them as being the whole of the Republican party? When we say 'all' conservatives, 'all' Republicans, we're chasing away from this blog some interesting people (Republican or not). We're insulting Ping Pong, as well as others, by accusing them of being something they may not be. Can't we just be more specific than 'the entire Republican party', or the repugs, as so many like to put it? How about just calling those people red necks? Or whatever other demeaning term we can think of and all agree on.

Are the women that are pissed at comedians and pundits that always demean women, supposed to hate all men? Or just the ones that are offensive.

I actually laughed on my way to work thinking that Patsi and I ought to collaborate on a book called Thoughts from a Couple of Southern Feminazis.

"How about changing the lifefstyles of the bloated overfed insurance companies."

kgc, they are exhibiting acute if not chronic symptoms of profit gout and hardening of the heart. diet modification is definitely in order and not one of those maintenance kind.

re millionth word, not to be picking at nits but shouldn't they be saying either the millionth term or the million and oneth or more words? web two point zero = ?

Chloe, You go girl!

Thanks Carol, I wish I had been here to support you last night.

I kind of see Palin as a woman who worships her husband and her family. You guys shouldn't see that as bad.

Since the primaries I have noticed that many Dems have borrowed some qualities that I use to more associate with republicans/conservatives. I wish we would give them back.

Ms Cracker,

I am honored .

re bloated overfed insurance cos diagnosis, treatment plan calls for high colonics as well as severely restricted dietary protocol. and plenty of exercise.

hi guys, thought i would share a minor sampling of my mail today:

"From: Nancy
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:04 PM
To: cqtrailmix@verizon.net
Subject: Your mutterings...

What is this I hear? You were bleating in your usual stumbling, almost unintelligible (and utterly not charming) twang to the effect that Sarah Palin should be (or was probably) glad she "made the Letterman 10...list." Nuts to you.

Nancy"

and another...

"From: DaveW
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:18 AM
To: cqtrailmix@verizon.net
Subject: Craig Crawford

It was great seeing Craig and Keith Olberman talking to themselves on Olberman's show.

That means 2 chuckleheads have at least an audiance of 3. Both of those jerks could fill a paperbag with mindless wind in just a single second warmup.

Craig Crawford is a special jerk because he doesn't have his own show. If he ever gets one, we'll be so far in decay, even MSNBC will be broke.

Have a nice day, chuckleheads. Read some Orwell when you get a chance."

xr

I often agree with you and think you have quite a way with words. It is my pleasure to be a hanger on

patd --nice diagnostic work

ct "many Dems have borrowed some qualities that I use to more associate with republicans/conservatives. I wish we would give them back." So true, especially horrible when it is being used in intraparty fights.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | June 11, 2009 3:06 PM : "How about changing the lifefstyles of the bloated overfed insurance companies"

I enthusiastically associate myself with Ms Cracker's words.

I knew Craig that those words were going to come back to bite you in the ass but I couldn't get my hands over your mouth fast enough.

X-r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbdSnVOc9ew

What did Craig say that pissed everyone off?

I knew Craig that you were just trying not to lose your membership card in the good old boys club. You did try but then slipped on a banana peel with that top ten comment.

Oh, nevermind...

Sarah Palin is a joke and future cable-news personality.

Do you homework lord. Being a man, though, it might not jump out at you like it did me and Sea.

Off to a good meal.

I said essentially the same thing last night, ct. "Sarah Palin should send Letterman flowers for keeping her in the news," were my words.

Hey, wait a second...

My personal preference would be for Universal Single Payer Health Coverage. Perhaps, w/something like the 1/3 co-pay and private supplementary insurance that has made the French medical system so successful. That and the cheap red wine, of course.

When my urologist told me to drink a glass of wine daily, I should have had him write a prescription for it. That would be Old Vines Zinfandel, or at the very minimum, Covey Run Shiraz. Even if my insurer denied the claim, at least I'd get a tax deduction. Silly me.

Craig,

At least the second one spelled your name right.

Might be a good idea to take them down though since you have revealed the email addresses.

I wonder how much the Palin Campaign paid Letterman and Craig.

Craig..... ROFL!

so much outrage.... so little time.... :0) :0)

Craig,

Clicked on the "twitter raffle" too late. Will Pwire be raffling off a copy of your book when it comes out?

xrep....
alright.... another fan of Old Vine Zins.....
my favorite at the moment is Seven Deadly Zins..... a wine made from 7 different grapes in Lodi, CA....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235416

Craig, I feel so guilty for laughing so hard while reading those posts you just quoted. I never dreamed you had to listen to those kinds of insults. I hope you laugh them off too. What an eye opener to what you must put up with.

Rest assured, we always love you Craig. Even when you're wrong. :)

posts=emails you quoted

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235430

xr

If you had a medical savings account, you might be able to sneak by a case of the good stuff. You would probably need a note from the doctor to submit to the IRS if there was a query during an audit, but it is for use on "over the counter' medical needs. If it can cover One A Day Vitamins why not Shiraz?

The Senate is weighing legislation to tax beer and wine for health care and the wine lobby responded by making health claims and saying they should be exempt.

Carol

My initial reaction was based on loyalty. And I use the term loosely here. But it was simply a matter that I have been a fan of Letterman for years - and I am not a fan's of Palin's politics (both in terms of substance and style).

So I came out in favor of Dave. I WAS shocked to hear a couple of jokes. He was way out of line - and those were obviously sexist comments that a man would never have to deal with. Jokes about Romney's hair don't even begin to come close.

On another level, I rarely get outraged over jokes - that do not incite violence. I am a fan of racy often vulgar stuff that pushes the limit. But I am not blind to what is tasteful and what is not. And that doesn't mean I can't be - dare I say - empathetic to the outrage people feel in a lot of cases. (For example, as a white guy - I did not feel the outrage over Imus - but could understand it.)

I believe such comments from entertainers get sorted out in the court of public opinion - and voted on by sales, ratings, etc.

http://firedoglake.com/
Firedoglake has number of posts on the health care discussions. They do a great job of exploring every detail and who is doing what to whom.

KGC:

"The Senate is weighing legislation to tax beer and wine for health care and the wine lobby responded by making health claims and saying they should be exempt."

How bout we legalize pot. How much would that net us?

(Also - on the employment front - it would take the - vast sums - money out of the hands of the cartels and into the hands of farmers and local dealers.)

But, alas - it is probably too counter-intuitive to pass...

Could idea xrep. I've had two doctors now tell me to drink at least a glass of wine five nights a week.

I'd like to see a few more reforms. Like doctors forced to post their rates in a public place. More say in tests, cost of tests, and need of tests. More information on prescriptions and alternatives. I know a doctor that put my mother on a $20 a month niacin prescription for pete's sake.

Also, flat rate between insured rates and self payer. I've been self insured for seven years now. The whole insurance game is just nuts.

Carol-

Just checking in. I was on your side last night.

Carol

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/palin-vs-letterman.html#comment-235204

Not from me. If I was her father. Letterman would have a busted jaw.! Just like any other goof that said that about my daughter. Patsi is going to be pissed.

All women should be. But they won't. If R. L. said some stupid junk about the Obama girls-doesn't have to be about sex. The whole world would be at a stand still. Palin is going to get some traction out of this. Night.

I still feel the same way. but I will say this. They all deserve what Letterman ( I don't like what he said) or Leno or any of the late night clowns say. I thought about it. They go on his show-thereby giving him the power to do so. Too late now.

There is one thing that I would do to get even. I would find out about their private lives. Then hire some comedian to talk about them. That is Letterman. Leno or others. Don't get mad. Get even.

Pres. Clinton is-has been the butt of J. Leno for years. Pres. Clinton just ignores him. Hillary did go on his show. At that time I said that she should not have. Too bad they all feel like they should. It is their faults!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235442

They should sin tax Pepsi and Coke and other soda purchases since they contribute more towards are nation's poor health.

A little wine or a few beers is good for the body.

Good point rez. Why do all those boring stodgy politicians pick on all us regular folks who like to drink, smoke, and generally have a good time!

How bout a tax on stress!

Warren

Legalize pot and tax it. The numbers for tax revenue are all over the place.

This is an interesting article on how the tax might be structured and possible revenue.
http://www.slate.com/id/2220221/

In addition to the tax there is also the savings to the criminal justice sustem when pot is legal.

Rez

A number of states have discussed soda taxes.
The article argued for taxing Coke, Pepsi, Gatorade, Red Bull and any other sugar-sweetened beverage, largely to combat obesity.

The authors were Kelly Brownell, a longtime obesity researcher at Yale, and Thomas Frieden, the New York City health commissioner. Since the article appeared, President Obama appointed Dr. Frieden to lead the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/business/economy/20leonhardt.html

Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | June 11, 2009 8:01 PM

...a "few", eh?

Yeah DL , who drinks just one.LOL

as long as they don't tax "mustang sally" I can hack it............

"any other sugar-sweetened beverage, largely to combat obesity."

All that diet pop is just a ruse too. Like "light cigarettes."

Rez

Diet pop was excluded but I'm with you. All those chemicals, just as bad for people.

Believe me, I'm not a one beer mojeff or shy away from soda but I bet I would drink less and my health would improve if they taxed the hell out of it (pop).:-)

I was worried when you said you were gonna talk about the Letterman/Palin thing, Craig. My take is that if you tell a joke and you have to explain what you meant when you told the joke originally, it probably wasn't worth telling in the first place. I know that a lot of people blew it off as Palin not having a sense of humor. That said, if I was Letterman, I would not have told the joke/jokes in the first place. To clarify by saying, "I was talking about your 18 year-old daughter, not your 14 year-old daughter." sounded pretty bad. I don't know too many parents who wouldn't have gotten mad over that . His apology came off as half-assed to me. I like Dave, but I don't really have any problem with people being upset with him right now. Don Rickles is about the only comedian who really can get away with that type of humor.

Rush and Tweety are arguing whether the gunman at the Holocaust museum is from the far left or the far right.

Nonsense.

Obama had it right in Cairo calling out "extremists."

We need to stop pointing fingers. And focus our attention on "extremists" - whether they are on the far right, far left, Muslim, Christian, black, white, etc.

Watch this, KGC. You might find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c0h2ZpnmQ

I'm getting the impression from letterman that he really really does not like sarah palin.......and doesn't really care in the least what anyone thinks about his lame-ass joke......

Thanks Corey

I haven't seen the recent seasons but I loved the first couple of years of weeds

the blue crabs were restless......wondering if they were next for the C-Bob Solar cookfest.........

can't be wise to pick a fight with a guy who talks to a large segment of america 5 bloomin' nights a week.......(shudderat the thought)

Sturg

Agreed with all that u said. The only way to shut him up-is for all of the politicians not to return his phone calls. Tell Leno that if he says something out of line. They won't return his either. It really is kind of a simple solution. But they won't-cos they made them part of the political process??

I don't like this talk of tax people's work-related insurance plans.

Any tax structure - would simply give companies an incentive to create plans under that excemption. Driving down people's benefits. And hurting business.

Let's keep that tax talk where it was in the campaign.

Roll back the Bush tax cuts - that helped cause the huge deficits run up by Bush after Clinton left him a surplus. Tax cuts that given to people who weren't even asking for them!!

(Which is the party of big government again??)

If we need more money - focus on people making millions - not workers, businesses that employ them, and families. I saw an article about how Simon Cowell spends his $187M - much of it made here - and it is ridiculous!!

Like I have said - take 1-2% of Simon's money - and he will still have plenty of money for his botox, $1,500 shoes, $300K-1.4M cars, vacations, etc.

All the talk about Palin's daughter. Have any of you received the email about Rambo Granny of Melbourne, Australia?

It is being circulated among the usual suspects with a headline: Deport Her to the US We Need Her.

Of course, they don't bother to run it by Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/crime/justice/grambo.asp

I'm fat and less sassy now. I'll give it a rest. I think I hit it from every side now. No use kicking a dead horse. But I vow to keep fighting for the rights of women until I'm too old to remember I am one.

And Solar, your so sweet trying to be supportive. I love ya man. You did good trying to cool off Carol. It worked.

Solar,
Like they stopped Imus? Craig, don't you make regular appearances on Imus?

I'm being snide, I think Imus is one of the best interviewers in the business. The way in tore Lieberman into little pieces will always be a favorite for me.

You're not going to stop these guys as long as they have an audience reach, and with Conan coming in Letterman is gaining even more market share.

I'm pretty surprised Letterman said this though. He's really mellowed compare to what he was like 20 years ago. But near the end of the Bush presidency he started getting a lot more politically active. And of course all of us talking about him, good or bad, is good publicity for him.

KGC......ever hear of a western B movie actor named Dusty Payne....?

(cousin of nashville songwriter Leon Payne, and father of Leon Payne who was born in a motel room to Anne Reno, western singer, while the band was taking a break in Craig, Color-raydo.........)

when leon was nine, he was known as Little Leon Payne and appeared on a Juliet Prowse tv special.....It'd be nice if he turned up somewhere......

they stopped imus like the axis stopped Patton..........lol

Carol

You know what I don't like about you? You know me too damn well. A few months back. You cought that one too. Im the one with the hot head. It fits me.
Stop talking like that . Im a lean-mean-fighting machine. Well thats what my D I used to tell us. They never said we had to go up against the Women on this blog.
I figure that I have to take another hand to hand combat training for this here blog. Well maybe mouth-to mouth. Don't make anything out of that. That means just what is say's . nothing more-nothing less!

AIPAC Wall Beginning to Crack

by: Ira Chernus,

Two-thirds of American Jews say they want the US to play an active role in moving Israel toward peace, even if it means the US publicly disagreeing with, and exerting pressure, on the Israelis. That's according to a poll conducted last summer by J Street, the pro-Israel, pro-peace lobby now widely seen as the counterweight to AIPAC. Contributions to J Street are growing at a rate faster than AIPAC's. In last year's election, of 41 candidates endorsed by J Street for their pro-peace positions, 31 were winners.

http://www.truthout.org/060909R

Now, for the first time, there are signs of a crack in AIPAC's vaunted political edifice. The wedge issue is the Obama administration's public demand that Israel stop all new construction in its West Bank settlements, including what the Israelis call expansion to accommodate "natural growth."

Though Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu heads the right-wing Likud party, settlement expansion is hardly a partisan matter in Israel. It has continued at a more or less unbroken pace for years, regardless of which party headed the government. And Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, leader of the opposition Labor Party, is equally staunch in demanding the right of "natural growth."

What's new is the serious objection being voiced in the US government, not merely by the president and his administration, but by members of Congress, including John Kerry, who heads the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and several prominent Jewish lawmakers, such as Carl Levin, chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee; Howard Berman, chair of the House Foreign Relations Committee; and influential representatives Henry Waxman and Robert Wexler.

When they met recently with Netanyahu, they made him "very, very aware of the concerns of the administration and Congress," according to one Congressional aide. They pressed Netanyahu on the need to stop building in settlements and rejected his call for Palestinian reciprocity on terrorism as a precondition.

(Another sign of the change: A Congressional delegation visiting Israel actually discussed, in private, the possibility of prohibiting Israel from using American weapons in the West Bank.)

Don-

I see I man a lot different then I see Leno-Letterman. These two nuts are on when most of the uninformed watch them for entertainment. Unfortunetly they also get what they think is new from them. They vote according to what the hear on these shows.

Young Connie Smith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDpIjLZEdM4&feature=rec-HM-r2

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235473

Hi Carol
Never give up fighting for the rights of women!! I just got caught up and I'm sorry you felt alone in your outrage at what Letterman said.Letterman is Shameful and I quit watching him along with Bill Maher back during the Democratic primaries.I was so pissed at there sexist treatment of Hillary.I don't agree with Sarah Palin on anything or really even have a feeling for her but its wrong to speak of her and her daughter in such a way because there woman or girls..I wish there was a way to right these wrongs...

Don-

"I'm being snide, I think Imus is one of the best interviewers in the business. The way in tore Lieberman into little pieces will always be a favorite for me."

I like him a lot too. Forgave him his b.s. cos of the kids he helps. The common man doesn't even know (remember him ) who he is. Another thing-he doesn't dumb down his show for anyone like the late night clowns.
One can actually learn something from him. Having said that. I think that bald headed jerk side kick of his is an A hole. I also think that guests like Craig makes him look sharp!

Connie Francis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7m4FWNVng&feature=related

Red Foley with a country orchestra.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ct3V1QG8Es&feature=related

Speedy Haworth.......speedin' west.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yp7zCu4VTw&feature=related

I'm really sorry that those two who emailed Craig got the wrong impression of him. One of the things that attracted me to him and led me to this blog is the way he stood up against the nasty things people tried to do to Hillary. He is the fairest of all the pundits.

I just bet that Bill-O is behind it. They are always spying on Keith's show waiting for an opportunity to get someone. One night Bill was saying that there were no liberal feminists out there who took up for Palin when she was unfairly attacked. I thought they just haven't tuned into Trailmix.

Nobody better say anything bad about ya to me Craig.

Well. Im going to calm down a little. I have been saying for months now that-if the gas prices keep rising. The recovery would get hurt.
Where is the Stimulus $. When is it going to help the working class.

Today I had to go to meeting at the Indiana-Ohio state line. I saw a lot of tractors on the road for sale. I asked someone about it. They told me that there was 15000 tracktors that were repoed.

They could not afford the diesel fuel along with the trk payments. Very bad signs to me when the truckers are not moving freight. The ones that have gov. contracts like Jax will make $ but not the ones that don't. I wish that he would acknowledge this once in a while when he talks against the government.

If Obama is going to see a recovery any time soon. He needs to put all of the future $ into small biz-small contractors that hire people that spend the $ as soon as they get it.

If it gets worse. He better quadruple the police force-gonna need them imo. I hope that he is finished taking care of his special int people so we can get some help. We are dying out here!!!

Gas per gl. around here is at $2.95 Int the city it has to be around 3.25 or more.

And I'm sorry I had to eat that gator last night. I refluxed shoes and belts all night.

last time somebody told me to read some orwell, i wound up reading about this guy's having to shoot the elephant in front of all the little people of the village...........

i'd rather read a dissertation on roast pig.........

Don

What are you Ideas about a flat income tax-flat sales tax. With provisions for the poor. An altruistic factor to help them? Around 15% or so. A cpl more for luxury Items. No more loop holes. No more tax shelters.

No more lots of stuff that we all can't have- cos we are not big corps. My favorite. No more S S collectors that mostly go after the poor: Oh and get a 2% more from the 5 mil dollar club or more. That should make Warren happy. Thanks. Later.

If you are known by the enemies you make, then Craig must be a complete idiot. On the other hand, if you are known by the company you keep, judging by this blog, he must be sensitive, smart, funny and insightful.

What's the verdict?

And Tony I knew if you were anywhere close last night you'd have been here with your gloves on.

Night everyone and a fist bump to ya.

Sturge

When I was a youngster down in the hills we used to listen to Speedy on the Slim Wilson show.

Slim was once did a comedy act, I didn't know that.
The things you find on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We5iJ3UrDiI
Jack

Leon Payne

http://www.myspace.com/leonpaynemusic

First time that I will be going to bed pissed off.

"Why is this no surprise? So-called "free trade agreements" are nothing more than government-to-government licenses to steal resources from less powerful peoples for fun and profit of the multinational corporations. If a few hundred or thousand indigenous people are slaughtered, so what? Profits above all!! These less-powerful governments' actions are backed, all too often, by thugs fronting for the existing oligarchy, andUS military-trained (at the notorious School of the Americas). Regrettably, few, if any, in the Obama administration are paying any attention to this issue, and even fewer acting in any way to mitigate/constructively address it."

US-Peru FTA Sparks Indigenous Massacre

A worker in Yurimaguas, Peru, loads a ship with bags of rice on Tuesday, during a temporary break in indigenous protesters' blockade of the region. (Photo: Enrique Castro-Mendivil / Reuters)

During the last week, deep in the Peruvian Amazon, confrontations between nonviolent indigenous protesters and police have left up to 100 people dead. The vast majority of the casualties are civilians, who have been conducting peaceful demonstrations in defense of the Amazon rain forest.

For almost two months, as many as 30,000 indigenous people have been blocking road and river traffic, demanding the repeal of presidential decrees issued last year to facilitate implementation of the US-Peru FTA. According to the indigenous leaders, several of these decrees directly threaten indigenous territories and rights. After having attempted several times to negotiate with the government the repeal of the most egregious of the decrees, and faced with a permanent influx of extraction equipment into the region, the people decided it was imperative to "put their bodies in front of the machines" in order to prevent this equipment from entering their territory.

On Friday, June 5, the government decided the protests needed to end and launched an aggressive assault against the people protesting on the road outside of Bagua. The dislocation was conducted from helicopters and the ground, with police and army using automatic weapons and heavy equipment against people armed with only rocks and spears. As videos, photos and testimonies from the region slowly emerge, it is clear that this was designed to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible, and deter those in other regions from continuing protests. Pictures circulating on the Internet depict snipers in uniform firing at protesters from the streets, tanks and from on top of buildings. On Saturday, in Lima, Peru's capital, a large spontaneous demonstration in support of the Amazonian indigenous was broken up by police. Read the whole article. No wonder we make so many enemy's around the world!

http://www.truthout.org/061109B

Solar:

I would like to associate myself with an extra 2% on the $5M club.

"One missing link in the rebound of millionaires is the effect of lower taxes. President Bush pushed through a series of tax cuts in his first term that generated additional refunds of tens of thousands of dollars to many wealthy Americans."

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/29/news_pf/Columns/Millionaire_make_a_bi.shtml

Sorry thread too long too comment ......... But I've been thinking about sluts all day long if that helps.

Sturg -
If you send me your Dad's goggles, I'll buy new lenses, an teach Boy Scouts, about 1 watt per square meter.

Off to U-Tube please take My Crap.

Where in Colorado Bob spray paints kittens with a high temperature oven paint. Flat Black of course.

"There is a wide disparity in the estimates of the number of millionaires residing currently in the United States.

A quarterly report prepared by the Economist Intelligence Unit on behalf of Barclays Wealth in 2007 estimated that there were 16,600,000 dollar millionaires in the USA.
...

A report by Capgemini for Merrill Lynch on the other hand stated that there are approximately 3,028,000 households in the United States who hold at least US$1 million in financial assets, excluding collectibles, consumables, consumer durables and primary residences."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire

Either way it is a nice chunk of change.

2% of the low number would be = $60,560,000,000

(That's the low number!)

Perhaps we should have a consumption tax that would also apply to foreigners who spend moeny here.

D L. ( Champ)

Thanks to you. Im able to read my own hand writing now. I will always be grateful:!!

Cantor compares Obama to Putin

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jjTRHdA50AJWybROf390TjxWVEgQD98OPMLO2

Another, "What is the matter with these people?" moment.

The UK has a top rate of 40%

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm

You're welcome, Solar. We still have a few things to go over, but you're doing well; keep it up.

I know. Lot more to do.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/celebrityinchief.html#comment-235507

Warren,

I compared notes with several British friends. The people of the US pay the same or even possibly more by the time you add up all the types of taxes and fees, but more of the UK budget is directed towards the common benefit .

The size of the country helps as does having much more centralized bureaucracy as opposed to 50 states, (i.e. its cheaper to get mail from London to Edinburgh than it is to get it from Miami to Anchorage or a national police organization) but there are so many services Brits just take for granted that we don't have.

A 100 MB night .

CBob

Gotta go check out all those megs

Well the seasons come and the seasons go,

Sing it Dale.

Still awake Solar?

I'd like to see a flat tax with necessities exempted or a consumption tax above and beyond living expenses. We have to change from a consumption based economy to a saving economy, for money and to save resources.

Right now there aren't enough incentives to change and the recession hasn't been bad enough to change the US culture as a whole.

Er a Del not Dale

Jamie -
I got the bit in my teeth, I'm dumping it on U-Tube like spaghetti these days. I'm my own PBS documentary.

And I'm listening to the " Texas Eagle " .........

"Home in time for supper with a tale to tell. "

Craig- don't take it personal, go toltec, they are just assholes. You're the best damn journalist out there. Period. You got to work for a living, and you do a good job avoiding getting drawn into Olbermanns bunk, graciously.

I'm sure Britain spends a lot less on Defense, gives away less money to foreign countries, and doesn't have large military bases all over the world.

Not to mention special corporate give aways like no bids to KBR.

After midnight almost time for Steely Dan -

Don't Take Me Alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AslDzpaCURs

I like the Obama-lite bits , like young Kennedy and her hand-written note from the President for skipping school.

At least in my lifetime, the Obama WH is the most exciting since Camelot; just last year I found the old Jackie Kennedy tour film and posted it here; it was very interesting, and Michelle Obama has created a lot of excitement with all the stuff for the kids and the garden, and of course Bo makes it compleat.

Weird, C-Bob! I was listening to Texas Eagle on Iceberg Radio dot com (free online radio station outta Canada) just a few hours ago.

A great work song -

Aja - Steely Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocfR3CIPFJo

" Weird, C-Bob! I was listening to Texas Eagle on Iceberg Radio ....... "

Yes Dex, but were you thinking about sluts at the same time ?

Boy, Limbaugh and the far right are getting out of hand!

Their hate & vitroil is way over the top. They're domestic terrorists and are killing people.

Except for they have Free Speech, someone needs to stop this.

tt

Thought for the day :
" Death and taxes may always be with us, But at least death doesn't get any worse. "

1812 Napoleon's invasion of Russia begins

Colorado Bob's #1 rule of warfare, if you're going to invade Russia be sure and take your good coat.

Sturg -
If you send me your Dad's goggles, I'll buy new lenses, an teach Boy Scouts, about 1 watt per square meter.

Posted by: Colorado Bob Author Profile Page | June 11, 2009 11:12 PM
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If I can find them, I will send them on.....the biggest problem is finding which pile of stuff to look in, and finding time to go prospecting........but I will get a chance sooner or later and I know there are some in there somewhere......