Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Carol....
god.... I really hope that Maggie will be alright....
I know I consider my kitties as my babies....

I did watch the last half hour of Hardball last night.... now don't get excited...
I haven't starting watching again.... the Red Sox had the day off and I needed to kill some time before the rerun of Maher....

interesting exchange between Joan Walsh, Katty Kay, and Matthews.... they all agreed that Letterman's joke was tasteless.... but they also agreed that Palin did not look good by keeping the thing going....

as for Panetta's statement concerning Cheney.... I agree with him...
what would be refreshing to see is a Democrat that can stand up and say...
"yup, I said it... I stand by it... and if you don't like it, tough"....

"What are words for
When noone listens anymore
What are words for
When noone listens what are words for
When noone listens
There's no use talking at all."

for a reposting of cbob's poem from last night
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/three-stories-for-the-weirdnes.html#comment-236520

I don't believe Panetta's claim that he didn't mean what he said. I really think he is right about Cheney.

Now that Letterman has offered what seems to me as a sincere apology, I'm ready to forgive him. I read his apology but didn't see it so I can't say what his eyes were saying when the words came out of his mouth.

I do think he will think twice about making any similar comments in the future.

Good poem Bob. Maybe having someone listening isn't important. Maybe we talk sometimes just to help us establish how we really feel.

Just watched Letterman do his apology. My lie detector says he was sincere! I forgive him.

And he is so right. It is not our intention but the perception of it that matters. Don't we all get caught there sometimes.

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"I never call in sick but fortunately I work with many dog lovers and they understand. Most rank their dogs equal to their children in importance."

Carol --

I'm with you. I think time off to care for sick pups should qualify for paid sick leave or FMLA-leave. lol

Seriously, I hope Maggie gets better soon. Does she get doggie day care while you work? I notice those services are proliferating, but 10 years ago I had to "invent" a day-care arrangement with my veterinarian. At that time, it was "weird."

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Patd --

That was great what you did with our bird!! I nominate you for an "Avi."

>(*V*)<

I don't get sick days Ivy, only vacation days. I'll gladly take a vacation day to take care of my baby girl. I just hope Maggie isn't pulling a fast one on me. She is capable of doing that. She's a little whippersnapper, she is.

And I did tell her the story of the little dog that cried "wolf". She just smiled.

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Carol --

What about FMLA? Does the prison have a policy about that? That's federally-protected leave time to care to qualifying family illness?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993

AP does this terrify you? Government controlled news?

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot.htm

I'm sure Letterman is sincerely sorry there has been such a fuss.

I too hope Maggie just wanted a day with Carol and nothing is really wrong. Pets should come under the family leave policy.

Yes they do but I don't work for the prison, I work for a local charity hospital. I'm considered a satelitte clinic. I'm sure they also have the FMLA but there is no one to take my place. No one there to stop what their doing to fill in for me. It's me or no one. That why I got my owl camp so I can be on vacation everyday when I get off work and on weekends. I take long weekends to use my time off and on call 24/7.

Haven't gone anywhere in the over 4 years I have been at this job. Doesn't matter since I won't leave Maggie anyway. I guess God had a plan when I found Maggie just before getting this job. Not complaining because I love my job. They need me.

converting a ' 72 volkswagon into an electric car:

http://evfastback.blogspot.com/

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KGC & Carol --

I used to call that "a mental health day." Definitely qualifies!!

(^_~)

I don't know why Panetta has any need to back off his statement. If Chaney sincerely thought that Obama's policies were putting us at greater risk to another terrorist attack, he would have used his considerable influence quietly to persuade the administration to make changes. By making his case publicly, he is only posturing.

Chaney is playing the role of the fortune teller. If there is EVER another attack on the United States or any of our interests, he will claim to have predicted it and claimed it a result of Obama weakening America. Unless or until that happens all he has to say is that its coming.

Furthermore, there is an obvious trade-off between civil liberties/human rights and security. Police states are generally secure. Iraq was secure before Saddam's ouster. At what point do the costs to our liberty outweigh the benefits of security?

I have no respect for Chaney because he is not working to strengthen our security, he is only playing politics WITH our security.

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Carol --

Your dedication is admirable, it really is. If only everyone had your work ethic.

BUT...Don't let them run you into the ground no matter what their needs are. God or whatever does indeed have a plan for everyone and everything, and H/She will make sure the prisoners are taken care of in your absence, even if just for one day. Besides, TM needs you too, and we can't have you checking out on us...putting oneself first is "unselfish" because you can't take care of others if you haven't taken care of yourself.

(^_~)

Everyone beat me to it.

I hope Maggie gets well or stays well if she is just funning with you.

Letterman apologized as he should - Good man did the right thing. Now if Palin will just stop using her children and go home to read a book, all will be well.

Panetta told the truth and shouldn't have taken back a word of it.

Good morning how is every body?

Jamie, if Palin doesn't let it drop then I think it will just reflect badly on her now. I wasn't ever pulling for her. I was just aggravated that some people find this sort of humor, by the media, funny. We didn't here even though some may have "perceived" it differently than others. .

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If Palin doesn't let it drop, it will reveal her true motives.

Things must be getting very ugly in Iran...
the headline at huffington reads.... "Seven reported dead.... Ahmadinejad leaves Iran"....

they are also saying that any foreign reporter that reports on the protests will be arrested.... I hope Christiane Amanpour gets out of there safely.... I really love her reporting....

I put my plant pics on photobucket because my C-Bob invite expired. I need him to send me another invite.

http://s656.photobucket.com/albums/uu286/cithorn/?firstLogin=true

Hey sturg-- good catch, a project I've thought about since I had my last project towed out of here. lol. I think dear wife might throw me out if I started a new one.

This is more up my alley as opposed to gardening. I was raised by and around shade tree mechanics so tinking with old autos is something I know and enjoy. I think I'll follow Chris with him dream and maybe even contact him to tell him so.

Disagree that Letterman apologized. What he "said" was that he was sorry people misinterpreted what he said. And that people's lack of"getting it" was what made the joke lame. Watch the whole thing again.

I agree that politically, now Palin should let it drop. But had he made that ugly comment about my daughter or granddaughter, he have two broken knees right now.

I usually hate long posts, but I am tempted to post some of the research I have been putting together on what the current media culture is doing to young girls. We've never before had the level of mental health problems we are now seeing.Letterman and his ilk are part of it, as are people who laugh it off with a wink, wink.

I also know this issue from the opposite side of the fence. Back in the late '70s a right wing Colorado congressman took off on me AND my kids because of my magazine's support for Planned Parenthood. I won't even tell you the level of my wrath that he dragged my children into my political stances. And what I had to say to HIM was nowhere near as nice as Palin has been.

Carol -- I love your pictures! I want to live on the river!

Welcome home Patsi! We needed that feistiness here a few days ago.

It's heaven down here except between about 11A and 4:30P in the summer when it is too damn hot to go outside, unless we get a little rain shower. Gotta hold up in the AC and run outsise off on on. I get my exercise running up and down the stairs.

Patsi, Maggie and I tried to drum up support for a national "Night without Nookie" campaign in honor of Letterman. It was a night for all the girls to stiff their man's stiff, if ya know what I mean? I couldn't get any support for it. Hummm I might just be censored here.

Of course Maggie and I didn't have anything to lose.

Good case made for single payer

http://workinglife.org/

LMAO, Carol! Plus the men on here are a decent lot. (So many men ARE great...I can't even imagine what my father would be saying about this BS.)

Johnny Cash was right when he said that sexism is the most ingrained "ism" in the US, and would be the most difficult to get rid of. Johnny used to say he watched the issue closely. After all, he had four daughters! :)

Palin accepts apology:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/sarah-palin-accepts-david_n_216095.html

Smart move.

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Patsi,

I would love to read it. Why not write and extensive blog post where you have the room and then link to it here?

Did you see the news story today of the 10 year old fighting breast cancer? Seems more and more young girls are developing earlier because of increased weight gain in childhood which then leaves them open to cancers that occur after puberty.

I wasn't including the men on this blog in the campaign. Except maybe the dark lord. He was playing the bad boy but what do you expect from a dark lord anyway.

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It may also comes from hormones added to beef
http://www.organicconsumers.org/Toxic/hormoncancer.cfm

the cia spokesman is correct because "It's almost as if he's wishing ..." is not at all the same as "he wants"

panetta's "almost" and "if" may be arguably in the same category as the dawg's question of what "is" is but saying "seeming to wish" something is just not the same as saying "wants" it imo. or are we pin angel counting on a lusting in the heart sin here?

the misunderstanding is at the feet of the xvpotus and he should apologize to the american public for the appearance of wishing more terrorism on us not the guy who said the emp "seems" to have no clothes.

"Did you see the news story today of the 10 year old fighting breast cancer? Seems more and more young girls are developing earlier because of increased weight gain in childhood which then leaves them open to cancers that occur after puberty."

I know,Jamie. The hormones in food products are playing havok with these kids, too. Men and women I know with young daughters are beside themselves with numerous concerns. Most feel that the media message has reached drumbeat levels.

"Letterman clearly was joking about Palin's adult daughter"
he should apologize anyway. it matters not (except in the intensity of the apology and depth of groveling for forgiveness) whether the object of his joke were a minor or not or whether the object were male, female or a lipsticked pit bull. it was a stupid, tasteless, witless joke, worthy of no professional jokester making millions and who has a stable of well-paid writers.

Drama queen before offer of a cookie. May not make it through the day:

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu286/cithorn/100_0276.jpg

after offer of a cookie. I think I'm feeling much better mama:

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu286/cithorn/100_0277.jpg

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patd

I see Panetta's remark in the same class as my ongoing, "What is the matter with you people?" every time there is one of these right wing tone deaf remarks. It's not that I think they are intrinsically bad, it is that whatever they have said strikes me as being an unimaginable thought from anyone connected to how others will perceive the remark.

I think it's all the soy milk. Those phyto-estrogens will get you every time. Though I've heard high protein diets add to the problem.

Interesting to think we became a high meat consumption country because of the last depression.

I've heard the efforts of special forces in Iran actually increased when Obama came in to office. I wonder what they and the CIA are doing now?

On line live Q & A between Anna Marie Cox and Tucker Carlson

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/06/15/DI2009061501887.html

Carol -- your baby is such a cutie! And I'm so glad you work with people who understand she is family!

email message from the Prez re: healthcare:

Subject: "This is why"

"Last year, millions of Americans came together for a great purpose.

Folks like you assembled a grassroots movement that shocked the political establishment and changed the course of our nation. When Washington insiders counted us out, we put it all on the line and changed our democracy from the bottom up. But that's not why we did it.

The pundits told us it was impossible -- that the donations working people could afford and the hours volunteers could give would never loosen the vise grip of big money and powerful special interests. We proved them wrong. But as important as that was, that's not why we did it.

Today, spiraling health care costs are pushing our families and businesses to the brink of ruin, while millions of Americans go without the care they desperately need. Fixing this broken system will be enormously difficult. But we can succeed. The chance to make fundamental change like this in people's daily lives -- that is why we did it.

The campaign to pass real health care reform in 2009 is the biggest test of our movement since the election. Once again, victory is far from certain. Our opposition will be fierce, and they have been down this road before. To prevail, we must once more build a coast-to-coast operation ready to knock on doors, deploy volunteers, get out the facts, and show the world how real change happens in America.

And just like before, I cannot do it without your support."

kgc is right re additivies, but we've known this for decades and haven't done much about it. here's an old report on us ignoring the evidence. an excerpt:
"The dangers of hormone additives were signaled by an epidemic of premature sexual development and ovarian cysts in 3,000 Puerto Rican infants and children from 1979 to 1981."
http://www.preventcancer.com/press/editorials/march10_92.htm

Danger of things is inversely proportional to the amount of money that particular product puts into lawmakers pockets through campaign contributions.

ivy, thank you for the nomination, but you their creator deserve the honors and a raucous chorus of should "atta girl" .

>(*V*)<>(*V*)<>(*V*)<>(*V*)<>(*V*)<

and for your entertainment, bird singing to a cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbpUTprLHEU&feature=related

" Once again, victory is far from certai"

I have no hopes for any real change in health care. I think the tentacles are too long.

Latest status on Supplemental bill from FDL

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/updated-supplemental-whip-count/

"It may also comes from hormones added to beef"

Kgc, Ive also heard the same thing about dairy products too..of course, thats probably because the hormones started in the beef. Also, if I understand it correctly, a lot of weight gain in youngsters affects their hormone levels too. The hormones have a strong influence on cancer growth. I'm linking the first thing that came up, because I thought is covered it al in a very simple, clear way.

Hormones in milk can be dangerous
"Ganmaa's topic was lunch-appropriate: the suspected role of cow's milk, cheese, and other dairy products in hormone-dependent cancers.

The link between cancer and dietary hormones - estrogen in particular - has been a source of great concern among scientists, said Ganmaa, but it has not been widely studied or discussed."
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

Patd, I see you had already talked about it. I should have refreshed.

Carol,

I think you mean 'directly proportional.' :)

Carol, Is Maggie coughing any more?

Great youtube Pat. I didn't quite get to the end of the video. It did have a good ending? No feather hanging off the lips of that cat?

No I don't think so. Products are less dangerous if they bring in more money. .

patd

The whole problem with health care comes down to cost. Despite modernization and efficiencies, it costs a lot of money and somebody has to pay for it. If you are talking about a median family income of roughly 50,000 a year and the average group insurance policy for a family is 3-4 hundred a month or 3600 - 4800 a year, that is a big chunk of change out of the budget even if split with an employer. Add on copays of amounts over limits, you are talking about major money and that is for a "middle class" family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

The only thing that can bring down costs is the largest possible pools so that the costs of the ill are offset by the lack of cost for the healthy. You keep hearing about "competition", but it is competition from among profit making entities and we all know from airlines to department stores, they collude on prices to whatever the traffic will bear.

There has to be "non profit" or "public option" and those options have to be in numbers as large as possible. If everyone could buy into Medicare, it would probably save the system. If that drives the guys like Blue Cross out of the market, well that is too darn bad. World wide experience is that this type of firm will still exist by selling supplementals and super coverage for the wealthy.

The concentration has to be on "well care" and primary care physicians who catch problems betore they become major illnesses. That can only happen by insuring everybody. Even with that, it will mean a roll back of the Bush tax cuts and even an increase in the top bracket to 40%.

Joe:

"If Cheney sincerely thought that Obama's policies were putting us at greater risk to another terrorist attack, he would have used his considerable influence quietly to persuade the administration to make changes. By making his case publicly, he is only posturing."

It is also the tone of his public appearances. It is one thing to go on the airwaves and offer constructive criticism. It is quite another to go out and blast the President publicly.

Obviously Cheney is concerned about national security. Who isn't? But the tone and tenor of his comments also make it quite clear that he is concerned with politics. And his primary goal to trash Obama and make him look weak - rather than effect policy change.

Give Maggie a kiss for me. And here's to hoping she's just fine. (She probably has been smoking and drinking too much recently when you're not looking ; )

CT -
The invite didn't expire, Blogger may have been down for maintenance .
Try again.

Rez -
As for my plans about selling corn, fresh . I see your point. But the beauty is this oven can cook anything.

Hormone packed hot dogs maybe ?

Thought for the day :
" Selfishness is that vice we see in others, never in ourselves. "

But sometimes C-Bob I just crave those hormones. But I can only eat two hotdogs. There is something about hotdogs where one bite is not enough and the next is too much. Anyone else experience that phenomena?

Maggie appreciates all the love coming from you guys. She's sucking it up. And Warren I check the liquor level before I go and after I get home from work. A mama can never be too careful. I also put up the computer so she can't get on those doggie stud sites.

Maggie stopped coughing so far. It is the CC, cookie cure.

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Warren,

I think his main motivation is to CYA so whatever is left of his well cushioned, pampered, and useless life isn't spent in jail.

I love hot dogs, but then they are one of my luxuries as I only buy Hebrew National. They really are "on loan from God" :-)

Jamie, I doubt we have those kind of hotdogs down here. The best we can get are those that aren't looking back at ya when you look at them.

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Cbob,

My nephew sells tees all over the country. . mostly Indian events, that's his gig, with the help of my other nephews. I was thinking that the others might want to side line selling corn while on the road with him. I was looking on the tubes and see that corn is as popular as a hot dog, as you note, and fetches a good profit margin with little trouble. Just thinking.

1895 Stan Laurel comedian (Laurel & Hardy)
1917 Katharine Graham newspaper publisher (Wash Post)

1567 Mary Queen of Scots thrown into Lochleven Castle prison
1879 Gilbert & Sullivan's "HMS Pinafore" debuts at Bowery Theatre NYC
1882 17" hailstones weighing 1.75 lbs fall in Dubuque Iowa
1879 Gilbert & Sullivan's "HMS Pinafore" debuts at Bowery Theatre NYC
1882 17" hailstones weighing 1.75 lbs fall in Dubuque Iowa
1909 1st US airplane sold commercially, by Glenn Curtiss for $5,000
1917 1st Congress of Soviets convene in Russia
1922 Henry Berliner demonstrates his helicopter to US Bureau of Aeronautics
1943 Race riot in Beaumont Texas (2 die)
1947 1st network news-Dumont's "News from Washington"
1949 Gas turbine-electric locomotive demonstrated, Erie Pa
1961 Dave Garroway is fired as Today Show host
1967 50,000 attend Monterey International Pop Festival
1970 Race riots in Miami Florida
1971 Racial disturbance in Jacksonville Florida
1991 Otis Nixon steals NL record 6 bases in 1 day

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Carol, The alternative is "all beef" and look for a little triangle. Even down there a respect for quality might let them sneak in "kosher". If they don't carry Hebrew National, check for Nathan's. Even the fallen away and non Jews like the quality and health benefits of the food laws.

A Pirate King

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHlakM55SQA

Chloe

Yeah milk too.. oy vey.

The food version of inconvenient truth opens this week
Food inc
http://www.foodincmovie.com/

Not that it is any new information. I think the real question is why even when we know there is a problem we don't do anything.

Rez -
Another thing about selling corn on the cob, it'll come in a complete package, on a stick with foil warped around it. This will allow us to sell it without a health permit here. I have a chipper we're going to compost the cobs.

Apparently not all enemies of the US love Jimmy Carter.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244371110137&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The Fix Political Hall of Fame

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/hall-of-fame/the-fix-political-hall-of-fame.html

First three Clinton, Johnson, and Reagan.

Nominations now open for future additions from among all political figures. Good fun read.

Wildly off topic--

I never meant to end up crying on my birthday, but I have--

This story showed up in my Twitter this AM, from WBIR Channel 10, Knoxville:

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=90625&provider=rss

A newborn boy, umbilical cord still attached, wrapped in a blue blanket--but left in the woods off Middlebrook Pike in Knoxville. He was found dead about 10:30 this AM.

Two teens, one a seventeen-year-old ascertained to have been his mother, have been taken in for questioning.

God willing, the autopsy being performed will find he was already dead when he was left in the woods--and that it was from a condition called "failure to thrive"--i.e. he never drew his first breath--and not murder.

A friend asked in bewilderment--"how can Planned Parenthood--or even abortion--be a worse outcome than this?"

There are places even here in this evangelical stronghold where unwed pregnancy brings out pious nastiness where this girl could have gone--but she left her child in the woods.

So unnecessary.

Sorry to be a downer.

ct, jamie is right about hebrew national. my preference is the jumbo which is about the size of bratwurst. these are always a big hit at the annual july 4th wiener roast. your old friend wallyworld usually stocks the regular size.

Did Lindsay Lohan Swipe Bling From a Photo Shoot?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/CelebrityCafe/story?id=7852137&page=1

----------------------
The hell bound train rolls on.

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jamie, was that in response to my 7:05
"wonder if taking away business expense tax incentives for pharmaceutical co's ads would help reduce some health care costs."???

Posted by: http://openid.aol.com/ktartiste Author Profile Page | June 16, 2009 1:55 PM
Happy Birthday!

Lots of places have opportunities for leaving an unwanted child but kids that age probably have no clue and just want the whole thing to go away as if it had never happened.

patd

Not so much a response as just continuing the conversation with some additional ideas. As it happens, I don't approve of pharmaceutical ads for a few reasons. One they are very expensive and drive up costs by increasing demand particularly with the "boner pills".

For the other new drugs that don't have a generic, patients go into doctors wanting "the latest" even though they may not be the best treatment. Big Pharma wines and dines docs to encourage prescribing of newer drugs that often have greater side effects.

Finally, there is just my purely selfish irritation over the commercials with the disclaimers on the end that amount to: Sorry that we made you sick and we're sure you can find a use for that second head growing out of your neck once you recover.

Ms Cracker -
You will be interested to know that we are having a meeting here with a Texas Health Dept . officer charged with fighting obesity , to organize a farmers market .
She has access to grant money to help us plug that farmers market into our Art Market.
This maybe Blue Corn goodness, we'll see.

"boner pills"
"peter pills"

Well the UPS says my new oven wheels are downtown.
Off to the Iron Works.

Shiny side up rubber side down.

You will be interested to know that we are having a meeting here with a Texas Health Dept . officer charged with fighting obesity , to organize a farmers market .
She has access to grant money to help us plug that farmers market into our Art Market.
This maybe Blue Corn goodness, we'll see.

Excellent work
Just in case -make sure it includes wireless terminals that will allow the farmers to accept food stamps

one example
http://www.nyfarmersmarket.com/ebt.htm

I gotta say CBob
Atta Boy! You're the bomb.

Well, Stinky and I waited until 8:30 but still no Carol & Maggie. So we did the yard ourselves, then ate lunch and then I took my nap. Now I'm refreshed, but no more yard work this week :)

Bernie Sanders - Single Payer Petition

http://sanders.senate.gov/petitions/index.cfm?uid=7fd59f2e-88e1-477a-8eaf-762a5b050809

Politics 101. Love your political enemies. It confuses them, makes them crazy and causes them to do stupid things.

Definition of an honest politician: One who once bought stays bought.

Can we assume these politicians are all "honest"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/06/11/GR2009061100138.html?sid=ST2009061101102

now that I'm back from the big city.... and since it is part of Craig's topic... I may as well repeat myself too....

I think Letterman was wrong.... I agree that what the current media culture is doing to young girls is dreadful...

but I believe that Palin has put her kids out front and center for her political ambitions.... I can only imagine the embarrassment that Palin's 14 yr old daughter feels about her mother going on every talk show who would have her in order to talk about that joke.... I think the way Palin has used and is using her kids is disgusting....

that's my opinion..... I stand by it..... and if that makes me less of a feminist in some eyes here..... oh well....

Carol.... I am very glad that Maggie has stopped coughing....

oh geez.... I forgot to say....

KT..... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Lot of dots on that chart Jamie. Not very comforting but not surprising either.

Flatus, you must have gotten confused. Ya'll were supposed to come help me. Maggie was under the weather, remember?

"Apparently not all enemies of the US love Jimmy Carter"

lol
Very few of them do. Jimmy has a bad habit that despots and wannabes dispise.
He tells the truth.

Jack

"In 2006, the six largest insurance companies made $11 billion in profits even after paying for direct health care costs, administrative costs and marketing costs."

above is one of the whereas clauses from sen sanders petition. that's what i was ranting about the other day.

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patd,

Looking at those profit figures, even for those who resist "governmet run" health care have to admit that a non profit Public option allows for very generous salaries, and they don't have to advertise.

this is some very disturbing news...

Obama blocks access to White House visitor log... ala Bush...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/obama-blocks-visitor-list_n_216109.html

It's all about perception Renee. And perception is colored by our previous life experiences. Some younger women have not had as many negative life experiences and some may not because they didn't have to compete against men out there in the professional world.

We might have come a long way baby but not long enough IMO. Some of those younger women today have enjoyed some of their better experiences because of the sacrifice of some of us older broads who had to work hard to slay the dragons. They are riding in on the hems of our dresses or pant suits.

I'm not necesarily even thinking about Palin but the issues. If we let some of these things slide, instead of things getting better they just might get worse again. Don't want to lose any ground.

Like I said before, I'm closing in on the end of my career. I've paid my dues and busted it to earn a certain amount of respect. Losing ground won't affect me, it will affect the younger generation of women. It's theirs to win or lose.

Hey, KGC and Renee--thanks for the Bday greetings!

Meanwhile, how about some music?

Change it up a bit. I've argued (mostly with myself:)) over on my blog that classic country and opera are not mutually exclusive--but this isn't strictly opera, although it is sung by an operatic baritone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4UsLrJXEWQ

Beautiful voice. And pretty easy on the eyes, too. ;)

"I can only imagine the embarrassment that Palin's 14 yr old daughter feels about her mother going on every talk show who would have her in order to talk about that joke.... I think the way Palin has used and is using her kids is disgusting...."

I respect your opinion, Renee. But absolutely disagree. Women MUST stand up for slurs toward their daughters. My mother would have done same for me, as would I for my daughter. I do NOT accept this shit.

Any man who disrespects my daughter or granddaughter takes on me. And I promise it won't be pretty.

Happy Birthday Fair. Sorry you had such a bad experience to color your day.

Thanks, Carol! It just made me sick to think anybody would discard a baby like that--

Meanwhile, get well wishes to Maggie! (I'm presently owned by a cat, so I know how worrisome it is when they're ill.)

And I think that some younger women might think it may make them more popular with some men if they put up with this sort of stuff. Just laugh it off. Well if that's what it takes to be popular with those men then I don't want to be popular with that kind of man. A real man wouldn't respect a woman who allows herself to be abused.

Carol...
I don't disagree with one word of your post....

Patsi....
I agree that women must stand up for their children..... that's not my perception of what Palin is doing.... I see a woman who has used her children for political gain... and I feel very strongly that if we see a woman doing something we think is wrong and won't say so because she's a woman.... that's wrong.... and reverse discrimination...

I'm not going to bore the rest of the blog going on and on about this.... I thought we hacked this to death this past weekend.... but apparently Craig didn't have enough....

as always... I respect differing opinions.... I don't see this as a right/wrong thing.... it's just my opinion and perception....

And I feel sorry for that young women. Because of how she handled this situation, a moment of panic will lead to a lifetime of quilt. Likely even a prison sentence. Where were the adults in her life? mother and father? teachers? They must have noticed something??

KT.... I hope we haven't scared you.... this is a blog with a lot of strong women on it.... we're just having a discussion and we all still love each other....

that is a very sad story.... and I feel very badly for that young girl....
and I think Carol is right.... she will feel the pain of this for her lifetime....

And I feel sorry for that young women. Because of how she handled this situation, a moment of panic will lead to a lifetime of quilt. Likely even a prison sentence. Where were the adults in her life? mother and father? teachers? They must have noticed something?? ~~ct

You'd think they would--no information other than what we've heard already from KPD though. They're trying, I think, to handle it sensitively, to try to contain the inevitable outrage. A terrible situation all around.

KT

At the 3:07 mark Sammy Davis, Jr. sings "Music of the Night" as part of the Ultimate Event performance (The cut leads off with "What Kind of Fool Am I")

It is simply my favorite version of the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMydz1ug2aQ

And Patsi, I think Letterman tried to explain about not knowing that it was Palin's 14 year old daughter who was with her just to try to let everyone know he wasn't as big a heel as he looked. He did admit it was a bad all around joke, 14 or 18 years old.

I'm sure some of the jokes these funny guys tell don't necessarily reflect their own personal views. And I'm pretty sure he did learn from it. There are people out there who won't forgive him or forget.

I hate to see that it might just be the Republican women who become the ones to make this an issue. Let's not reverse the roles here. Hey it's us Dems who are the cool/enlightened people. Remember?

KT.... I hope we haven't scared you.... this is a blog with a lot of strong women on it.... we're just having a discussion and we all still love each other....

that is a very sad story.... and I feel very badly for that young girl....
and I think Carol is right.... she will feel the pain of this for her lifetime....~~Renee

Nah, you haven't scared me. I'm in a community like this at another blog, so I can relate.

As for the young girl in Knoxville, yes. I feel for her too--but in another way I'm like "how COULD she?" It's truly a heartbreaking situation, and I don't know what hurts worst--that the baby was abandoned as he was or that she honestly felt her back was that much against the wall that she didn't see other options.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMydz1ug2aQ

patd

Those jumbo "Dinner Franks" are wonderful aren't they.

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KT

What I see in a lot of young people is an inability to think things through to consequences. I don't know whether it is a lack of parental involvement or maybe too much media with unrealistic expectations or just plain old fashioned fear of "being caught", but the idea of a 17 year old not having the resources to come up with

tell parents
abortion
adoption
abandonment at hospital

Any number of options other than delivering and depositing a helpless infant still born or not in the woods. That is just too sad.

Happy Birthday and what is the address of your blog?

"I'm sure some of the jokes these funny guys tell don't necessarily reflect their own personal views. "

But I'm equally sure they do. I think what people say and what they laugh at is who they are. And that's all I need to know. I don't laugh at "N" jokes. And I can't tolerate people who do.

Leave it to Jamie to stick a weiner in our mouths to shut us up.

ct

Would you possibly like to rephrase that sentence in some way? :-)

OMG.... Carol....
ROTFLMAO!!

No Jamie..a jumbo one at that. A frank is a weiner Jamie. I looked it up.

I yield. All the possible joys available from a Jumbo Weiner shall remain. :-)

Maggie is snickering too. She's feeling better.

"ct

Would you possibly like to rephrase that sentence in some way? :-)"

Yer killin me!!!!!! Reminds me of when I got to ride in the Wiener Mobile!

KT

At the 3:07 mark Sammy Davis, Jr. sings "Music of the Night" as part of the Ultimate Event performance (The cut leads off with "What Kind of Fool Am I")

It is simply my favorite version of the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMydz1ug2aQ~~Jamie

Now that I've seen this, it occurs to me that I saw this. Sammy did sing it beautifully.

BLAST!!! Jamie, I meant to say I saw Sammy sing that LIVE--Dang. I need to pay attention and quit lettin' the keyboard talk as it will ;)

I can see Craig now....
shaking his head and saying..... oh my god... you women are too much....

Happy Birthday and what is the address of your blog?~~Jamie

Thank you!

My blog URL is http://fairweatherlewis.blogstream.com

It's, as I said, quirky--but I have a lot of fun with it.:)

And Jamie I didn't check out the youtube you linked. Egg on my face sister. I figured it was something about the jumbo dinner franks you mentioned. I wasn't speaking about Sammy Davis Jr., even though it may have applied.

Maybe I should have gone to work....

KT

For years seeing him perform live was my birthday present. He is one performer that I genuinely miss.

Thanks KT,

I've got you added to the Trail Mixer list on my blog

And to quote my old friend Solar, "I'm totally innocent here"

Hey Patsi, even feminazi's can have fun, huh?

KT.... nice blog...
it's good to learn a few things about you....
we have several things in common.... I too am childless, the eldest of 3, love cats and I crochet.... I am however in a longtime marriage to my best friend...

you seem to have a really good sense of humor.... which means politics or not, you fit in here perfectly....

And to quote Cindi Lauper"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwFeQpy_Us

KT

Friday's child is loving and giving. You are among animal lovers and here are my most recent additions: Siblings: Mephistophles (Mefis for short) and Saki

http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3660357

Correction: Stan Laurel was born on June 16th, 1890, not 1895.

Sorry Craig. We were just giving Fair here a little orientation today. Making her feel at home.

Well off to get my hair cut. Ya'll behave now.

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Patd --

The cat-and-bird tube was precious...and the cat looks just like ours!

>(*V*)<

Oh, CRAP, not another one!!!

Breaking news from politico.com:

Nevada Republican Sen. John Ensign has told colleagues that he plans to admit an extramarital affair, a senior Republican source tells POLITICO.

Oh, jeez.

I--well, Fairweather anyway--wrote a blog complete with classic country songs about this back when Newt the Nucklehead announced he was not a hypocrite about his extramarital affairs because, unlike Bill Clinton, he didn't lie about it under oath.

I--Fairweather anyway--updated it when John Edwards got caught with his pants at half-mast.

Time for another update. . .(shakes head)

"Let's not reverse the roles here. Hey it's us Dems who are the cool/enlightened people. Remember?"

Spot on, Carol.

Patsi:

No one would fault Palin for defending her daughter. I would have a bigger issue if she didn't.

But the point is - upon hearing that joke - it is clear it was directed at Bristol.

Not sure if it was Palin first, but someone on the Right decided to try and score more political points by saying it was the 14-year old. And both Palins ran with that idea.

Letterman's joke cannot be defended - and should not. But he did not bring the 14-year old in it.

Well Craig, I could see the train running into Letterman and Panetta. Who couldn't? Letterman tried to be funny beating up on Palin and Panetta thought the head of the CIA is supposed to wax politics and not instil confidence in a balance apolitical mindset.

You didn't mention Carter however. He climbed to the top of the absurd list today. He goes to Gaza and laments the carnage of a Palestinian triggered war. He says nothing of the deplorable behavior of Hamas beyond STARTING the war which includes children as shields and booby trapped homes. He says nothing of Obama's comment on Netanyahu's speech nor the right of a Jewsih State, He evens contradicts the President and calls the Netanyahu's speech an obstacle to peace. American Jews wonder why Obama hasn't even visited Israel.

Carter then says from Gaza (he needs a UN escort to protect him) that he will champion getting Hamas and other Palestinian groups off the terrorist list.

Then he is almost blown into little pieces.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6134

Now that would have been ironic, yes?

Carter says nothing about the election fraud in Iran. He pretends that terrorism has nothing to do with any Middle East peace plan despite what happened to his friend Sadat. Yes, it would have been ironic if after denying the terror that IS Gaza, he becomes another "innocent" victim. It won't stop him blathering however as he is quite pleased being called Obama's eyes and ears. He is lucky they are still on his head.

KT, Happy birthday to you and thanks for the gift of Thomas Hampson - I haven't heard him in a while.

I absolutely agree with you about enjoying classical opera and country music - I love them both but prefer the older country music to the more modern stuff. Michelle Obama has the two of them together for her next music night at the White House. She just had jazz on this week.

The personalities of both country and opera singers are more enjoyable for me than others, also. I loved Hee Haw, and I could listen forever to Pavarotti talk forever, too.

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Where has Tiptoe been? This is another candidate for her nefarious politicians list.

You know, it isd very easy to say Letterman's joke was directed at Bristol. My beef is that is explanation was "I was talking about your 18 year-old daughter, not your 14 year-old daughter." I'm not a parent, but if someone made an off-color joke and said, "I was talking about your older kid, not your younger kid!" my reaction wouldn't be, "Oh. That's a relief, because I would have gotten really mad at you if you were talking about my younger kid!" I'd still be mad that he made any kind of joke about any of my children. It was obvious in his first apology attempt that Letterman didn't really care that Palin was upset with him. His 1st apology seem half-assed to me. His 2nd apology seemed sincere. But, as I said before, had he not told the joke in the first place, he wouldn't have been forced to publicly apologize in the first place. I agree with what Patsi said. Politics and personal feelings about Sarah Palin put aside on this one.

Jamie, Mefis and Saki are adorable!

Here's my little stinkeroo:

http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4271797

His name's Blackadder. And yes, he is named for the Rowan Atkinson character. He has me remarkably well-trained.

(He's camera-shy, too, which prompted the caption.)

I'm delighted to see that comments re the Palin/Letterman episode are cooling down. Renee, you said it right for me and seem to be still living. I wonder if this means I can ride your coattails and have the fatwa rescinded from me? I always said Letterman
was stupid and the "joke" wasn't funny.

Carol, I think the Drama Queen photo is hilarious. god, she's a cute dog! Is it possible she has some asthma? Out here, foxtails from tall grass are a real problem.

I have been thinklng for a long time that Cheney was preparing his smirk in case we had another attack. Leon's right - he said it perfectly.

Even with the city/rural divide, Iran seems to me to be a more co-hesive society than Iraq with its three-way split, perhaps with their self-identity as Persians.

KT - by the way, what is your blog about books?

Thanks KT,

I've got you added to the Trail Mixer list on my blog

Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com

Thanks, Jamie. I appreciate that. As yet I'm having trouble downloading yours--I'm on dialup--but will indeed be checking it out.)

Max

You really can't be surprised at Carter. When it comes to the Middle East scales of Justice, he ALWAYS has his thumb on the Palestinian side. I swear if he could single handedly make Israel disappear, I suspect he would.

I am glad we did not elect McCain.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23747.html

This approach would not have worked well.

KT, Happy birthday to you and thanks for the gift of Thomas Hampson - I haven't heard him in a while.

I absolutely agree with you about enjoying classical opera and country music - I love them both but prefer the older country music to the more modern stuff. Michelle Obama has the two of them together for her next music night at the White House. She just had jazz on this week.

The personalities of both country and opera singers are more enjoyable for me than others, also. I loved Hee Haw, and I could listen forever to Pavarotti talk forever, too

Bethy, thank you--and ditto to all the above. I first heard Thomas Hampson--good Lord, twenty years or so ago?--singing at a Rossini gala and have been listening to him ever since. Loved (and still miss) the older Hee Haw, although that last year was painful to watch--and also still cry every time I hear Pavarotti sing "Nessun dorma."

Also love bluegrass and am beginning to explore blues. Fascinating stories about the bluesmen and what the older ones in particular have gone through in their lives.

Corey:

You are right. But my point is that Letterman should not have even needed to "clarify" (not justify) his joke because no one should have injected the 14 year old into the debate.

The original joke was bad enough on its face - without making it worse with accusations of "statutory rape."

KT

Mine often have a large music file on it that could be slow to down load.

If you have trouble getting to

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

let me know and I can email a sample article to you.

KT.... nice blog...
it's good to learn a few things about you....
we have several things in common.... I too am childless, the eldest of 3, love cats and I crochet.... I am however in a longtime marriage to my best friend...

you seem to have a really good sense of humor.... which means politics or not, you fit in here perfectly....

Posted by: RebelliousRenee

Thanks, Renee--

And ladies, I must say, what with the weiner jokes and all, I feel right at home.:);)

KT - by the way, what is your blog about books?

Posted by: bethyboo

It's at http://gimmeabook.blogstream.com And about as quirky as Fair, just fewer entries.;)

Yikes! Obvious????The way it was obvious Russia was the only enemy and the guys defending Afghanistan were all good guys? I'm all for Obama being mild; for one thing, when he does say something further, it will carry more weight, and he won't have to apologize for giving stingers to hoodlums.

I wish Carter would shut up. He's furthering the partisan divide.

KT - god, yes, I love bluegrass, especially because of what it represents, the remnants of the old country.
If you're lucky, you can occasionally find a documentary made of the folks in the hollers and hills who just have good ole family get-togethers....so much talent.

The blues make me feel so deficient because of my inability to get with them. I love so many of the stars.
I saw an old bit of film of the old lady who wrote Freight Train explaining how she came to write it. Magnificent!

I'm waiting for gene therapy to help with my blues problem.

Maybe as a former President he's more familiar with the issue than you are Jamie. Have you been to Gaza?

I believe he worked hard to help Israel and the peace accords with Egypt have held ever since Camp David.

I had friends spend some very miserable summers in Egypt after that. Seems like we agreed to build some air force bases.

The fact was that the 14 year-old was at the game, not the 18 year-old. Letterman's writers needed to be sure of that before they wrote the joke. Lesson learned on that one. Did anyone hear the private donors are going to help fund the Lakers championship parade tomorrow in L.A. Both the Lakers and private donors will cover the cost of the parade, to greatly reduce the cost to the city of L.A.

Watershed event this day in 1963 -- Soviet Cosmonaut-ess Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in space. In my childish mind, it was a momentous event for my gender, but a chilling turn for my nation. She was beautiful too, and that captivated me because I'd been taught a different image of Russian women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentina_Tereshkova

Don, I just wish he'd shut up. I think he's making it a hotter topic. Good friends are going to egypt this friday until 7/5; another friend has a son in college in egypt, becoming quite an expert.

KT - I didn't have time to do your whole book blog but will. I really enjoyed it, esp re Rett MacPherson's series. I'm from Missouri and love that area, altho I've never been to Union, which I assume if the real town she's describing. I love the newspaper's gossip column. I get disgusted with the way she lets her kids behave tho. But they're all great fun to read.

Was there really a honky tonk at one time in town?????
I'm jealous!

Warren, I'd like to be associated with your 6:45 post, if you don't mind.

Warren.... me too.... I want to be associated with your 6:45 too....

Bethy.... you can ride my coattails anytime.... I'm sure I'll be wanting to ride yours at times too.....

KT.... yeah!.... yeah!.... me too!.... I LOVE books!.... everything about them...
their smell.... the way they feel in my hands.... the sound of turning pages...
and I LOVE used bookstores!

time to watch the Red Sox... Go R. Sox!

Was there really a honky tonk at one time in town?????
I'm jealous!~~bethyboo

Yes, Bethy, there was. One of those low-ceilinged, dark smoky places with a Wurlitzer in the corner. I can't remember why it closed--I think either the guy who owned it died or it fell afoul of an ordinance about not selling alcohol within five hundred feet of a church. (The place was actually barely fifty feet, as the crow flies, from the nearest church. My little hometown has about an equal number of churches and banks inside the city limits; if there IS a way to serve both God and Mammon, then by golly, we're gonna figure it out.)

When my late dad was a boy, there used to be a lot of the oldtime musicians come to town to play shows--in the old theater across the street kattycorner to the honkytonk, though. He saw Bill Monroe and His Blue Grass Boys, Flatt & Scruggs, and several others that way. That made ME envious! By the time I was growing up, we were lucky to get local bands (like my brother's various ones) to perform.

Although I did see Porter Wagoner and Archie Campbell live once, in a pasture outside Englewood, TN (about five miles down the road). Whole nother story.:)

All this talk of books. I have two book luxuries. All of my used books and paperbacks from Powells City of Books in Portland, OR

http://www.powells.com/

And my collector books from the Folio Society

http://www.foliosociety.com/

YIKES!!! Bethy, Mom just reminded me--we had TWO honkytonks in my remarkably small town. The other one was out on Highway 411 North, just outside the city limits, and although it had another name, all us locals called it Little Reno--because so many of the divorces that happened started with husbands spending more time there than was good for them or their families! It eventually became just a mom and pop type restaurant though, and was torn down when the highway went from a two-lane blacktop to a five-lane about ten years ago.

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KT

Since you are a fan of Blackadder, you probably won't mind when I rabbit on about British TV shows. Right now I'm hooked on the Sci Fi Torchwood, Primeval, and Doctor Who, but so much of what is on BBC America and PBS is just plain wonderful particularly when compared to American TV

I would very much enjoy associating with you two.

Although I think RR should know I am a Yankee's fan before she starts associating herself with me ; )

You think things get heated talking religion and politics - I remember years ago getting involved in the Yankees-Red Sox debate at a dinner table at a wedding...not a good idea!!

(But I am usually low-key about it as long as i'm not at a game with 5 of those big baseball stadium beers in me!!)

COUNTDOWN liveblog music theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ3dxn-hJ9Q

Faron Young. My favorite fifties honkytonker.

Oops, my bad: that link I posted to Faron Young doesn't work. This one should:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOfrpUNYOpc

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I've been "living in the sixties" this week since I'm reading Sally Bedell Smith's "Grace and Power: The Private World of the Kennedy White House," the latest of my Kennedy and Bouvier reads.

"But the point is - upon hearing that joke - it is clear it was directed at Bristol"

Oh gee...then it's just peachy!

It was directed at whatever daughter was WITH her. All that "Oops" crap is just that. Crap. Letterman is a pig.

KT - I love 'em all. I have a hard time picking favorites.
About the only favorites I'm sure of is the color red, the athlete Joe Montana, and the tenor Pavarotti - any other categories and I drown. Two honky tonks!

Thanks, Renee and Warren - can you guys use your influence to rescind th fatwa on me? Not a good feeling.

KT - I should have told you I can't do ghost stories or vampires etc, but I have a niece who is into this nw sexy vampire stuff - ick! - and I'll pas on your ghost story to her. Let's keep this info flowin'.

"Here's my little stinkeroo:

http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4271797"

Too cute, KT!!!!

"The original joke was bad enough on its face - without making it worse with accusations of "statutory rape."

I do think that was pretty extreme -- although accurate given the daughter who was with her. This shit has got to stop.

"My favorite fifties honkytonker."

KT, one of my cats (the orneriest one) is named Faron Young.

Has Rush's head shrunk, or what?

I agree with your comments Patsi but as I have recently learned the hard you can't create outrage where it doesn't already exist. It isn't an attitude anyone can influence.

And someone's feelings about a particular person seem to influence whether he/she has sympathy about what that particular person is subjected to.

I didn't create this phenomena, just have observed it. It is just one aspect of human nature.

And where are you seeing a little Rush head Ivy?

O'Reilly is trying to call out Obama for not taking a "stronger" stance on Iran - like many in the GOP attmepting to take political advantage of the situation - and thowing caution to the wind on an issue of great importance to world security.

He said in a loud voice that 7 people have died in the demonstrations. A death of one person is tragic. But there are millions and millions of people out there on the streets - largely in a civil demonstration.

(And how many people died with Bush/Cheney brought "democracy" to Iraq?)

Come to think of it. Cheney might have been right when he said they will greet us a liberators...

He just had the wrong administration and the wrong country in mind when he said it.

bethy

consider the fatwa in your head rescinded.

I am not into the "nw sexy vampire stuff" that is all the rage these days. But I loved the vampire chronicles and Anne Rice is one of my favorite authors. She has a great combination of poetry and philosophy in some of her novels.

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Keith features Rush every night. I'm sure Rush loves the free exposure. Tonight Keith showed a clip of today's Rush show alongside a "bobble head" clip from the Republican keynote speech a few months ago. Today's Rush is a shadow of his bobble head self.

Is Rush on a diet?

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Carol --

Rush's head does remind me a brussels sprout (aka, "little green men's heads").

(^_~)

Is Rush on a diet?

Yeah ct, probably black mollies. His booble head clip looks like he's "speeding". lol

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Carol --

I would say yes, a drastic one. Must have been horrified when he saw the clips of his keynote appearance.

Patsi:

People are always gonna say stupid things. And I don't think it was by any means accepted or condoned. People might take issue different things in Palin's response - and defend Dave on a few points - but the clear decision by all accounts is that Dave's behavior was is and will always be out of bounds.

Fat people are always on a diet.

(I say this as someone constantly struggling with weight . . . although it sure is a lot easier to deal with not working 60hrs/week.)

Warren, I don't think Letterman will be making any more sexual jokes about teenage women for while. Not unless he has an attack of dementia.

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The Bedell Smith book reads like a day-by-day chronology of the Kennedy White House. I'm up to November 7, 1963, plans for Jackie to accompany her husband on a trip to Dallas - highly unusual for her. Maybe I need to quit before I find out how it ends...?

for anyone who has spent some time in Long Island - this is classic!!

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=98578966921&h=2C3wH&u=S1w6f&ref=nf

Ivy, At that keynote speech, Rush looked like he had Parkinson's. My though was he's getting his karma.

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I know I'm always on one. What is it about that pesky "last 10 pounds?" They just won't go!!

(((^_~))) = me size "grande"

ct

No - but there will be plenty of hacks who will take it much further to prove they are not bound by any so-called limits of society. But such is life...

Warren -- I think what bothers me most is the tendency to overlook really ugly talk IF it is directed at a political figure whose beliefs are different from our own. Sexist slams are acceptable if aimed at a right winger. It diminishes us.

But I guess I should also say "be careful what you wish." Because a couple of years ago I kept saying the Democrats should be JUST as evil as the Republicans and smear them just like they did us. Now that the party has done it, I hate it.

Patsi:

Being a lawyer has plainly revealed to me what we all know to be true. There are two sides to every story.

Sometimes we have a reason to be on one side - other times it is just driven by emotion or loyalty.

I don't get the new sexy vampire stuff either, or vampires wither, for that matter. My niece and her girlfriends are having a good time laughing at how sexy some guy is, and confusing their husbands. they're in their little babies stage plus having jobs so it's escape. I just don't go for fantasy.

Warren, do you mean the fatwa "in my head" or "on my head"? The one on my head is still there - read back a little.

Ivy - That's where I skipped some pages in Teddy White's In Search of History.

By the way, I also miss not being able to underline book titles. Is that because of my screw up? If so, I can promise to follow the rules perfectly this time now I know what happens.

"McCaskill Says Obama Didn't Follow The Law In Inspector General Firing"

Interesting story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/mccaskill-says-obama-didn_n_216500.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-236867

"There are two sides to every story."

At least!

(^_~)

Sounds as if Obama is pissing off some people who used to think he was beyond criticism.

Yep Ivy, there are as many sides as there are people involved.

Yep Bethy, McCaskill thought Obama could do no wrong! I guess she thought since she helped make him she should be able to expect certain things from him. It don't work that way.

bethy

I think the fascination with vampires is tied to a fascination with immortality. Also - they are always portrayed as very sensual creatures. Driven by bloodthirst instead of reason.

(I meant the fatwa "in" your head. I didn't see too much that happened earlier. But will take a look back...)

Ya know, I've said before that I wouldn't leave this place, and now it seems I want to. My feelings that Letterman's joke wasn't sexist but merely stupid and mean is in no way based on the fact that I don't like Ms
Palin. My opinons are not based on such slight info.

I resent the implications that I have no integrity, that I have no sympathy for others who are suffering pain, that I am a passive accepter of evil. Emjoy your self-righteousness and anger.

Not only that, I don't want to trade thoughts and ideas with people who accuse me of such things. This is one good example of women devouring their own sex = because I don't agree with their thoughts on this one thing, I am to be put in my place. So much for defending other women...except for the rogues. I think
my judges need to examine their own behaviour.

I know my place and it is not here apparently. I have enjoyed immensely knowing some of you. Thank you for treating me with respect, those of you who have.

I know it is hard - but remember often on a blog - people are replying to posts - not people.

I think the lines get blurred here - since people develop personalities and friendships.

But one of the beauty of a blog is the anonimity. The fact that people are not judged on how they look, or who they are - but rather each post or statement is judged on its own merits.

In other words - don't go!!

CQ politics had the following

Historical Quote of the Day

"He has no credibility left."

-- Sen. John Ensign (R-NV), quoted by the Las Vegas Sun in 1998, urging Bill Clinton to resign after he admitted an extramarital affair.

Jamie:

At least Monica was single!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-236875

Bethy --

I hope you stay...or at least come back after a break, if that's what you need...sometimes time constraints cause me to "skim" and I must have done so because I don't know who-said-what-to-whom, and maybe that's okay so I don't judge anyone...well, anyway, I hope you stay around because you're a fine and wonderful person whose viewpoints are welcomed by the majority and even if they weren't, you're still entitled to express them in your thoughtful and considerate way...

Classic.

Jeri Thompson (Fred's wife) is on Hannity trashing Letterman. Immediately after they bring up - hey shouldn't flight attendants be mad? Yeah - of course!

Jeri jumps into the Dave is a cranky old man routine - who gets his butt-kicked by Leno. "He is like the Wal-Mart greeter of late night."

I love when the elitists make fun of the liberal media. There are stones flying and broken glass everywhere!

We were talking about used books earlier. It turns out buying used books can be very, very profitable. Bought for $7 and sold for $80,000

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j82A76kY2OCV4mJaKnBjsNJsMu4AD98S2RG00

Ya know Letterman may have to avoid air travel for a while. May get some x-lax in his drink.

Do you think Ms. Thompson would have been as irrate if Letterman had made a sexist comment about Michelle O.? I doubt it.

Nope. It is funny how Fox and MSNBC keep this right wing left wing meme going.

I love the they do polls. Hey look - 98% of our viewers think I am right on this issue! Woohoo!

Anyone who believes one of those cable channel created polls is too stupid to be watching news of any sort. They are always "Yeah for our side"

Ms. Cracker @ 2:53 -

God bless you girl, that was the tip I was fishing for.

Sage advice,

Never get rabbit pills from the great great grand sons old Comanche' worriers.

It will complicate the shit out of your life.

Stick with cow manure, it's much simpler.

Jack -
I saw the blonde who tends the Black Hollyhocks. I didn't stop to tell her I was taking seeds ..... it's a bank that they're coming from, ..... after all.

" Better to say you're sorry than get permission. "

I know you all love to trash Fox. Why not slam Maher? He slammed Obama big time and told him he should be more like Bush instead of giving America the change they didn't vote for. Tough week for Obama. He is booed by doctors and trashed by Maher as the audience applauds the comic. Seems the war of words is piling up victims.

Another brilliant shift on the Left is the new spin they offer on Iran. I posted one such spin yesterday from CommonDreams. Now while I believe I mentioned the failings of Mousavi WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION and predicted the "fix", Liberal bloggers are now calling 2000 election between Gore and Bush a worse scam. They claim Mousavi is terrible so why should Obama have a horse in the race? Some even suggest Obama wanted Ahmad-hole to win. Is the Left really that frigging dumb? The millions protesting for Mousavi are venting their frustration and contempt for the Status Quo no matter how bad Mousavi is. ANYTHING is better than Ahmadinejad who conviently runs away to Russia. The young don't know all the history, they just want things to change and are some of the most Pro West people in the Middle East. What rally cry is Obama giving them? Does he insipre their desire for change? And what Liberal bloggers dare speak the awful truth that the Mullahs have Hamas on the streets of Tehran beating protesters. That's right people. Several media interviews relay the anger on the street towards Hamas and Hizb'Allah. Take the Iranian's money, give it to Hamas and then have them beat Iranians. How sad Hillary says nothing. This is exactly why as President I know she would have taken a different course, but now she is the good soldier. Sure what we see today in Iran is a far more wonderful situation than when the Shah was in power. And you would thin Carter, of all people would have half a peanut of a brain to understand that.

Colbert had an Iranian on tonight trying to explain to the audience why we should support the protesters. CommonDreams warns Obama not to do that. He predict Obama will use the lection scam to derail the eventual capitulation called the Grand Bargain with Iran. Even worse, "unnamed US inteliigence experts" think Ahmadinejad may have won. Won what? A selection process? And where is Carter again besides almost getting his ass blown up by the very people he wants us to take off the terrorist list?

So perhaps we might want to be objective here rather than partisans. The Left side is showing rather ugly splits. I see comics defending Letterman. I see Maher act like he has a clue and lectures the President. You can see I don't take kindly to attacks on our Presdient. Attacks grounded in a skewed view of the world, history and Constitution. In this confused dynamic I would rather support our President and continue to rally towards a saner center. Yes, I can blast policy and warn of dangers seeing I don't get Obama email, but this self righteuos crap and personal digs is just the beginning and don't think Fox has any monopoly.

Obama should support the Iranian street that is more rejecting the Mullahs than Mousavi. We should understand the crowd the President is asking Israel to give new launching pads to. We should understand that the present arrangement among the mjor powers will not interdict NK illegal shipping.

Instead we are spinning towards more choas her and chaos abroad. There are wars going on, liberties at stake. Instead let's instead blast Fox and continue the pointless divertion from the task at hand.

Perhaps one other person here can see the nonpartisanism in what I said. Perhaps Craig can ask us all why we fight ourselves. Why we see what we want to see and vilify all who don't share the fantasy.

Our bank grows Black Hollyhocks .......... Wrong choice for this season ????

Max -

Pick up the clue phone , I posted the Maher clip yesterday. with no comment. Me and Bill run together. I'm with Bill. Obama better find his fast ball. The season is well underway.

While you're on the clue phone, have a cracker.

The first food came out of the White House garden this week.

Saw your post Jamie. Though I mean no personal harm to Carter, it would have been a fitting exit to his pandering.

I think you are right about Obama's tendency in this political crap shoot. He needs to find that suit. It must becoming clear to him and Michelle that they are going to be squeezed from all sides. The only safety is in the center. Who will beat him there? There is a powder keg abroad and a lagging economy here at home.

I bet in the end I find myself defending Obama. And it won't be because I have changed, yes? And of course the excluded middle is the toughest high wire to walk.

Max -
I may start mailing Obama Comanche' rabbit pills. Rush will be in deep shit if I do that.

Good for you Bob. I can't run through every thread. Have fun with your Bill. He is one of the most consistently wrong and ill informed panderers on Cable.

Show of hands from anyone who would let him near their sister.

I've grown fond of the the U.S. Mail. I'd mail rabbit shit to the president in a heart beat.

I guess saying grow up would be pointless......

Max -
You're so full shit you're eyes are brown.

Thanks for proving my point Bob. My eyes are blue and I think you are probably far more familiar with rabbit shit than either me or our President. And horse shit too.

" I can put a round through a flea's ass at 100 yards."

I did it today Amigo.

If there's one thing lost on the right it's a good metaphor. It sails over their heads like horse hide over the " Green Monster ".

Is that a threat Bob, or just the result of sticking your head in those ovens of yours one too many times?

And of course, a flea's ass is also something you are far more familiar with than me or Obama. Perhaps it's time to fumigate......

Max -
Your eyes may have been blue at one time, but they see brown now.

Max -

I had a bully punch me in the gut every day when I was 7 years old. Till I beat the crap out of him. It was an important lesson. George Bush was just like that bully. But no one ever punched him in the gut. Most of what I've seen of the right is rather like that . A small pack of bullies who needed that punch in the gut when they were 7 years old.

Metaphors over the " Green Monster " .

I'm using a steel bat , is that wrong ?

Max -
Here's the clue phone :
I posted Harry Nelson's birthday yesterday as part of what I've done on and off for nearly 3 years here.
9/11 popped up , and told us more of what must have been a good friend.
That stuff flies right over you guys heads, .......... It never fails. Going right back to Fritz.

Max -
It was 99 degrees in the Iron Works today. And I when at it hammer and thongs. Er a tongs.

max:

"Instead let's instead blast Fox and continue the pointless divertion from the task at hand."

If they ask us trailmixers so solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict or reform healthcare - I'm sure we would gladly oblige. But until then - we can still make some time to talk a little bs.

" I like to move at the speed of light
Albert says I cant -- but I can
Circle of stone, circle of steel
I want to ride in an iron wheel "

Faces - " Around The Plynth "

Woken up on mornings such as this
Thought exactly the same as I'm thinking now.
Every night for a year I've slept alone.
Cold damp room looks worse than me, no no no

Got a fear of death that creeps on every night.
I know I won't die soon, but then again I might,
Water down the drain, I'm wasting away.
Doctors can't help the ghost of a man that's me

Water down the drain goes to the sea,
The pattern of my life keeps a-haunting me.
Moisture from the ocean fills the sky,
Come on down to the ground as the time goes by
I never found out the reason why
My parents had to lie
About the place that I was born
Or from my hometown I was torn
At the tender age of four
I was livin' by homemade law

Max -
My sunflowers , beat that :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oTStYowgvQM/SjiAJ8rN1QI/AAAAAAAAA6M/PJEotfA5YOw/s1600-h/IMG_0862.JPG

Max -
I spend my whole life trying to see the world for what it is , not what I wish it would be. And the wisdom to know the difference was a long bitter lesson.

"I want a ghoul just like the ghoul that murdered dear old dad."

---Peter Lorre on Ed Sullivan

Max -
Don't get me wrong , I had perfect moments.
Like coming out of Green River , Utah on Emmit , my V twin .
water cooled , with a drive shaft . Pickin' bugs out of my teeth.
I was north bound and loaded for bear.

Being invited to Kate Whalin's bed , that was perfect as well.

" Speaking secret alphabets , I light another cigarette

Learn to forget, learn to forget, learn to forget "

Hey -
There' my man on the coast.

had a storm here of "biblical proportions" this PM........I watched it from a 5th floor balcony on the edge of America.......I laid my figurative hammer down and watched the ocean roar.......

Courtesy of TPM Reader AD, a little nugget from 1999 in WaPo (emphasis added)...

Christian politicians and evangelical leaders commonly follow an unspoken rule not to meet behind closed doors with women staff members or travel alone with them. The Rev. Billy Graham, for example, has famously refused to be alone in a room with any woman except his wife since he married her in the 1940s.

Rep. Steve Largent (R-Okla.), a Christian conservative, insists a male staff member is present whenever he meets with a woman, his spokesman said. John Ensign, who is running for senate in Nevada will not be alone in a car with a woman.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/06/flashback_i_guess_they_call_it.php?ref=fpblg

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GOP Sen. Ensign Admits To Affair
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/gop-sen-ensign-admits-to-affair.php

had a storm here of "biblical proportions" this PM.

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Several of those about lately

20 MB to go.

Come on U-Tube take my crap .

what happened with the rabbit pills?

I want everyone to stock up on body oils for the summer solstice. And I want you to rub it on your body when day and night are equal , and rub it on your staffer just like Senator Ensign did.

new video going up?

That reminds me.........I gotta get me a staffer........or is that a staffee.........

This rabbit pill fueled insanity.

Get an intern Sturg , get an intern. A 19 year-old girl with 3 thumbs.

If those rabbits knew what hell they wrought it'd mortify 'em.....

As I recall . Jim Baker had a friend in the room when he nailed Jessica Hann.
What ever happened to Jessica ?

she got a boob job and appeared in penthouse and then slipped beneath the waves? wiki will have the answer......must be time for coffee........

Sturg -
It's up finally. You can see where I'm going pretty clearly now.

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

I'm a pretty proud boy.

Jessica Hahn Amazing Breasts in This Video With Howard Stern

Jessica Hahn appears at a “press conference” last year in Philadelphia with Howard Stern. Howard makes it a point to bring her up to the table, introduce her, and have her show off her breasts, which she does, with pleasure, through the sheer black top she’s wearing. There are also clips of quite a few other barely-dressed nearly-naked women who squeeze their boobs for the camera and show off their butts. Pretty amazing! Then again, what do you expect from Howard Stern?

http://www.funnybonevideos.com/jessica-hahn-amazing-breasts-in-this-video-with-howard-stern/

looks like "Firebird" day over on the google......

ahhh.......looks like you're gimbaling and gyre-ing in the wabe-ness now................I wanna see it cook something......when is cook day?

This thing didn't exist a month ago. Not bad for a really wild hair, way up your ass.

Shit , another day of thinking about sluts. That will cost me money.

"The world little cares what storms you encountered along the way.......but did you bring in the cargo?"

--some guy

definitely time for coffee........

when is cook day?
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10 days if I'm lucky , but that's just the burn out. I plan to run it for 4 or 5 days empty , to burn out all the volatile compounds

I got 600 degree thermometers coming , with magnets & hooks.
I will know every corner's temperature before one meal goes in it.
All ovens have cold and hot parts.

I'm going to know every one.

I'm thinking I can get 6 turkeys in this thing.

I think I'll go outside and wander around
watch the cars speed by, in and out of town
I light another cigarette and watch the smoke drifting away
I'd go and call my baby but I know I aint got nothing to say
and if that sun don't shine again tomorrow
If there aint a dawn on another day
yeah, if that sun don't rise again tomorrow
I guess it will be dark all day.

6 turkeys........now yer talkin'..............that's serious cooking..........

Exactly

And it a zero carbon dinner to boot.

usually when the phrase "six turkeys" comes to mind i think of me and five friends standing around the boston butt on the charcoal grill........nice to have it in a different context.......

With zero fuel consumption , and fewer moving parts & simpler parts than a bicycle.

well........the coffee is working its wonders and the knit and grit of the coming day begins to filter into my little rabbit pill of a brain.......gonna be hot hot hot and it's not even july.......need to stand on top of a mountain for awhile..............

but then again, I'm always on a mountain when I fall........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TSldUUCcSA

Well, now that I've seen Jessica Hahn's boobs, I can get some sleep.
What perfect day.

rest easy, and keep it tween the ditches.......

Speaking of mountains

Tina Turner - River Deep Mountain High

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqMJjmkCqEM&feature=related

The classic version with the wall of sound right out of your AM radio :

Tina Turner .... river deep, mountain high

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULw1RHHPv5g

no flies on teener.........

a mountain of a different color:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZEcNpcTwUM

Ben E. King - Spanish Harlem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiL5C_-nUh8

yah.....ben e.........it's GOOD to be the king.......

and now for a camel named clyde:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJGXfr7sFS0

Fortune Teller - Krauss and Plant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RLjMmY5Q8

Robert Plant - 29 Palms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHRcKD8T17g

29 Palms, I feel the heat of your desert heart

Chris Isaak vs Fatboy Slim - Praise a Wicked Game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4YaNGIaoQ

And with 47 Million hits here it is folks -

OK Go - Here It Goes Again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI

ha......that's better than freddie and the dreamers.........lol

the great eye-gore and his bird of fire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGA6bpscj8

remind you to tell the pete barbutti joke about stravinski and the jazz trumpet player sometime........

no.....not remind YOU.......remind ME..........

"need to stand on top of a mountain for awhile.............."

sturge, ain't no mountain high enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz-UvQYAmbg

psst, tell the pete barbutti joke about stravinski and the jazz trumpet player

Craig, your blog title here yesterday ,"Casualties in the War of Words", was more fitting than you even realized it would be.

We have a variety of opinions here and I think we all try to express them without trying to step on anyone's toes or be mean about it. I certainly don't mean to hurt anyones feelings even though I can get quite passionate when I express my opinion.

We do discuss contraversial issues here like who makes the best hotdogs. Some ideas are worth fighting for some are not.

I love everyone in this group. Those who agree with my opinion and those who do not. Those who do not are actually more intellectually stimulating because they make me think. They get me to critically analyze my thoughts and why I feel the way I do. We need opposing views here. If you don't agree you need to stick around.

Boy there was some deep sh-- being written last night/early morning. I will come back to delve into that when I am more awake. I think there is a message in it. Also whatever you were smoking here last night, you need to pass around. OK

"had a storm here of "biblical proportions" this PM........I watched it from a 5th floor balcony on the edge of America.......I laid my figurative hammer down and watched the ocean roar......."

.... sure wish I could have seen that storm..... (and the ocean roar too) Sturge. It's been too long since I've seen a storm or the ocean.

Looks like I'm early and Craigs late today.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-236945

hip, hip, hooray!
today's the day
first poisons away
then corn without delay.
cbob at play,
see cob array.
hip, hip, hooray!

"I love everyone in this group. Those who agree with my opinion and those who do not."

Hear, hear.

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

Good poem in honor of CBobs oven Pat.
CBob, I still don't understand why you're frustrated with the rabbit pills.

Bethy -- if your post about leaving is aimed at my opinions on women's issues, I ask you to remember how many times you have said something followed by "I'm entitled to my opinion." Am I not entitled to mine as well?

"remember often on a blog - people are replying to posts - not people"

Well said Warren.
Bethy, I hope you're not still feeling misunderstood today. I'm not sure what you were talking about, but I don't think you were right about others standing in judgment of you, except in a most positive way. I know you're well liked and we always look forward to your posts and hearing your view.

"Am I not entitled to mine as well?"

Can you imagine how useless it would be here, if we all agreed on 'everything'?

That would be a bummer Chloe.

My father loved to argue or at least to have a good heated discussion. If everyone started to agree on a subject/issue, someone had to be the one to change their mind so we could keep on arguing. It keeps the blood circulating and the mind sharp.

Yeah Carol. If we're only looking for agreement, we might as well just talk to ourselves.

Hell, I don't even agree with me all that often.

Your father sounds great. Now I know where you get it.

Lots of creativity here. Another thing I like about this blog. Now time for the shower.

"On the night of June 24, the media and government become one, when ABC turns its programming over to President Obama and White House officials to push government run health care." http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot.htm

Down in my neck of the woods, there are some pretty set ideas and opinions, based on nothing but the DNA you were born with. I'm a very blue girl trapped in a very red State. My mind was mildewing. Except for professional use, there was no place to take it for exercise.

Then I found this blog. Now I am able to get that brain out and give it a work out. I thanks you all very much. My brain has lost some of that baby fat, trimmed down and feels so much better.

And you know Warren, for a lawyer, you are a pretty decent and sensitive guy. What happened to you? Did you miss one of your A-hole classes in school?

Maher’s Obama rant gets reaction
"Comic hints support of president falters. More substance, less PR needed"

I had to laugh at this. Isn't this the very same thing that many of us said during the primaries? http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/06/17/maher0617.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

"for a lawyer, you are a pretty decent and sensitive guy. What happened to you? "

LOL Carol. Now there's a classic example of a back handed compliment, if I've ever heard one.

In that article, Bill Maher says he loves coming to 'red' states.

"..he enjoys coming into “red” states such as Georgia. “The free-thinking types of people come out of the woodwork,” he said. “The people are so happy to see someone who thinks like them.”

That must be where all those like thinking people are hiding Carol. In the woodwork.

There are some good suggestions under the title "How to win friends and influence people" on Wiki. or as we could change it to, how to influence people and still have friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

"Health and life insurance companies in the U.S. and abroad have nearly $4.5 billion invested in tobacco stocks, according to Harvard doctors.

“It’s the combined taxidermist and veterinarian approach: either way you get your dog back..."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=health-insurers-want-you-to-keep-sm-2009-06-03&sc=WR_20090609

"how to influence people and still have friends. "

Ha, Love it!
... not an easy thing to accomplish.

That link you posted to Wiki was pretty interesting Carol. I like this one: "Let the other person feel the idea is his/hers"

I love Warren and I was just thinking that maybe he didn't come here being as sensitive as he now seems. Maybe this blog helped him get there.

On Maher's little rank on Obama, this is one of the first things I have agreed with him on in a while. Used to love him until his bash Hillary days.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-236875

bethy, guess i'll have to join you if we who saw the letterman thing as stupid rather than sexist. didn't know we had been dissed or put on a hit list.

ct, not nice re lawyer joke. i take umbrage, and a donut on the side. it is possible that warren might have had ineffective law profs for ahole 101.

And Maher is no real friend to women. He's a user.

"we who saw the letterman thing as stupid rather than sexist. didn't know we had been dissed or put on a hit list."

I know how dense I can be (it's only temporary though), but what does that mean Patd? Maybe I've missed to many posts.

Ya'll have a wonderful day and keep an eye on the Magster for me. Hi ho, hi ho......

...a creepy, old guy since he was a creepy, not-so-old guy...but still capable of being smart & funny. I saw his act in TX about 10 years ago in a small comedy club with a fondue restaurant next door and kids clothing store downstairs. (He was supposed to play a big theatre, but...I don't know, I guess tickets didn't sell well & he ended up playing, in his words, "at a mall." He seemed surprised by the diversity of the crowd, mostly that there are Jewish people living in Texas. Tired of the "red state" stereotype. It's more like red and blue neighborhoods; there is a lot more mobiltity in the world...even down here.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-236875

Good morning all
Been real busy but i finally got caught up here.
Bethy
I hope you stay or please share your e-mail? I must have missed it but I just didn't see where someone dissed you.I think your opinions are very good an well expressed.You are always respectful of everyone, hell i used to marvel at the level of respect you gave Brian..Your special really,stick around....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-237002

Carol
I so agree.Love that Warren!!! I watched Bil Maher from his beginnings on ABC years ago but I stopped when he became a total OBOT and slammed Hillary weekly...I also don't really care for all the gay jokes he tells as there based mostly on stereotypes.I also don't like his blatant sexism.I think his show isn't all bad and the discussions can be good..Conflicted I guess but I agree with him on President Obama at this point...

I agree with what Patsi said last night. I'm really starting to hate the negativity surrounding politics and anyone in politics. Of course, that has been going on for hundreds of years, hasn't it? I was thinking last night about someone who said they were a fierce defender of the 1st amendment. My thought was that I support the first amendment, but I also have a remote control for my tv and if I think somebody on tv is a knucklehead, I will counter their first amendment rights by using my remote control to change the channel.

Bethy
What Tonyb said...

Again I made the mistake of tuning in the Morning Load and caught the discussion of the philanderer Ensign only Mika the lame was talking about Bill Clinton instead of Ensign's being a serial hypocrite.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/06/casualties-in-the-war-of-words.html#comment-236983

Chloe --

Perhaps either CBob ingested rabbit pills, or the corn did, and something or someone got off kilter. Here's hopin' for the best for both.

"Tired of the "red state" stereotype. It's more like red and blue neighborhoods; there is a lot more mobiltity in the world...even down here."

Blue, Exactly!

"I support the first amendment, but I also have a remote control for my tv and if I think somebody on tv is a knucklehead, I will counter their first amendment rights by using my remote control to change the channel."

Corey, I know I'm being repetitive, but exactly! to you too.
They have the right to say what they want, and we have a right not to listen.

"Perhaps either CBob ingested rabbit pills, or the corn did, and something or someone got off kilter."

Ivy, I figured it must be something pretty major for him to be promoting cow manure. :)

"Conflicted I guess but I agree with him on President Obama at this point..."

Tony, That's the way it always is. We agree with some of the things others say, and disagree with things they say too. I don't know if I'd call that conflicted or not. It's when I disagree with myself that I'm conflicted. :)

Bethy....
I wish you would stay.... take a break if needed....

Patsi wasn't posting any of her comments directly at you.... she wasn't trying to tell you what to think... she was simply stating her views about the Letterman/Palin thing in general... she didn't say that me, you, or Warren had a beef with Palin as well as Letterman because we specifically don't like her politics..... she knows better than that concerning me...

We all love you.... your posts have been such a breath of fresh air because you think outside the box.... you are entitled to your feelings as well as your opinions... please take care....

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Chloe --

Ironic, wasn't it?

"Ironic, wasn't it? "

.... puzzling, at the very least. And it did make me curious as to the events that led him to say that.

Obama plans on extending benefits for same sex partners of certain federal employees...
gee kind of schizoid given his administrations statements on DOMA and don't ask don't tell.

"Obama plans on extending benefits for same sex partners of certain federal employees"

... it is a step forward though, and is the 'beginning' of setting a precedent or at least opening the door (on a federal level). It'll all happen eventually.... baby steps.

You know KGC, Your mentioning the hormones in beef yesterday, and then dairy products made me aware of one thing that I was happy to hear. That article I linked said that one thing we can do is drink skim milk, because hormones are held in the fat. I've used skim milk for ages, but it was good to hear of that benefit. I think she went on to say other things we could do to help, but can't remember what they are. One easy one though, is what you've mentioned before, eat less meat. I think you used the expression to use meat as a condiment.

..... a side effect of that skim milk for children, is less weight gain for the overweight kids too.

Chloe

You are such a "glass half full person" :)))))
We need more people like you!

Meat as a condiment....the words of Thomas Jefferson

ct:

I am not really sure how that happened. Although one of my favorite compliements that I get is "you don't seem like a lawyer."

And I have always been sensitive. Although I do not always make that obvious to people.

"Stick with cow manure, it's much simpler." CBob@12 a.m.

No bull?

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CBob

Digging up Rod Stewart at 1:00 AM We should leave you alone in the wee hours. :-)

Applesauce Cookies

1/2 cup shortening
1 cup granulated sugar
1 cup unsweetened applesauce
1 teaspoon baking soda
2 cups all purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
3/4 cup chopped raisins
3/4 cup chopped nuts
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon ground cloves

Cream shortening and sugar together. Add applesauce and blend into mixture. Sift flour. Add baking soda, salt and spices to flour. Sift again. Add sifted dry ingredients to shortening and stir until smooth. Add raisins and nuts. Drop onto a greased baking sheet spacing approximately 2 inches apart. Bake at 375 degrees for approximately 12 minutes.

Of course, I had to go look for it. Old Rod is holding up well. Maggie May & Gasoline Alley from just last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn5j0mbhrhc

I think Bill Maher's rant on Obama is idiotic.

I know it has been a long time since the primaries, but one of my major reasons for supporting Obama was his call for a post-partisan tone in Washington.

Now I will acknowledge that his efforts have been largely unsuccessful so far - at least in terms of moving beyong partisanship (thanks in large part to those knuckle-heads Rush and Hannity.)

But Obama has taken real steps like appointing Republicans to significant positions and attemptiing to include them in the debate.

Now partisanship is still hot and heavy in DC - but progress takes time. And I don't think Obama should stop moving in that direction.

But ironically, Bill's point - which is supposed to be about politics (although I suspect there is some contempt and revenge mixed in) - is most wrong when viewed through a political lens.

The biggest gain from Obama's efforts at bipartisanship are his continued high approval ratings (despite less support for the policies Bill Maher asks for him to ram down the Country's throat).

It has allowed the Dems to cast the GOP as the party of no. Follow Bill's advice, start looking like a partisan hack like Bush, and Dems will suffer in 2010 and 2012 because they will lose the moderates.

KGC

"gee kind of schizoid given his administrations statements on DOMA and don't ask don't tell."

It is not schizoid. I know Obama is taking heat from the LGBT community these days. And some serious action should be taken in response to whichever lawyer signed off on that brief that was submitted in support of DOMA.

But Obama is not Bush or the GOP when it comes to gay rights. Even though he has certainly not been a "fierce advocate." But we should not be surprised by him taking steps to expand gay rights.

Interest groups are always going to say the President is not doing enough or moving quickly enough with respect to their issues. What else are they going to say?

But I predict Obama will make serious progress on DADT and DOMA before the end of his first term.

Warren

Not exactly. Obama made certain statements during the campaign that he waffled on
"interest groups are always going to say the President is not doing enough or moving quickly enough with respect to their issues"

civil rights are not an interest group

Bob, the oven looks great with its increased mobility. Temperature management would be much easier if asbestos wasn't such a bummer. When I was a boy and there was no electricity at the country place, it was commonly used in the kitchen for insulation, etc.

Stinky's having me clean both refrigerators and their freezers this morning--including their marvelous catch-all tops that provide storage for all the curiosities that accumulate in an active kitchen.

http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=7031

Obama's defense of DOMA
not the work of some unnamed underling

Patsi...
yum!.... those look like some good cookies.... :0)

Warren.... I think Maher is upset particularly at Obama's healthcare plans....
and I agree with him there....

as for you being a Yankee fan.... so.....
I love to "hate" the Yankees.... I love to boo them and root against them....
it's fun.... but for those that actually take such stuff seriously... IMO, they need a frickin' lobotomy.... I do LOVE my Red Sox.... but it's only entertainment...

Renee, I feel the same way about my Indian's, even though I can't name a single player on the team.

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Patsi, Of course, you have the right to your own opinion, almost a duty.It's what I come here for. The funny part of my saying that was timidity on my part. I was so afraid of saying something that would sound pushy and cause retribution on my head, that I did everything I could to temper my remarks - remember those were the days when fireworks went off regularly. Then someone set me straight and I stopped. I've lately started adding 'in my opinion' because I felt I was getting too preachy.

I think/hope I have shown respect for all opinions, and think mine have been tolerated if not respected. What bothers me is when I myself am treated with contempt and my way of arriving at my opinions is dismissed.
That becomes an attack on me, or the good old ad hominem.

However, I do NOT come here for confrontation .

If someone disagrees with me, I am happy to see a straight forward, "Oh, no, Bethy, I don't agree at all. I think...." Instead, I read these, among others":

""I think what bothers me most is the tendency to overlook really ugly talk IF it is directed at a political figure whose beliefs are different from our own. Sexist slams are acceptable if aimed at a right winger. It diminishes us.""

""And someone's feelings about a particular person seem to influence whether he/she has sympathy about what that particular person is subjected to. ""

Those two posts are what really made me question whether I want to be here. There have been others but I don't feel like looking for them. They were directed at me because I was the first to say the joke wasn't sexist, but rather stupid, and mean etc. When I said that, a whole sewer line hit the fan. I tried to explain what I meant, to no avail.

There are no words to describe how bitterly I resent and how angry I am at being characterized as someone who formed her opinon of that joke on whether or not I like Sarah Palin. I am not shallow and that is what is stated in that post. I cannot imagine what I have done or said to make anyone accuse me of having no sympathy for one in pain. In fact, I have an incredible amount of sympathy for Bristol Palin, and I suspect poor Willow needs some as well.

I also categorically deny that I accept ugly talk as long as it's about a political opponent. Remember, I am a
registered independent and republicans are not my natural enemy. That is an incredibly unfair and in-accurate statement to make about me.

Because I don't want to slug anyone who says obnoxious things to me, I have been classified as passive, in danger of letting bad things get out of control. I have received lectures about it.

Perhaps you or anyone else might understand just a little bit of how seriously I take my obligation to live up to my own standards. I am not mean nor am I petty not am I shallow. I consider my opinons before I make them, and I strive to be fair.

I don't like Sarah Palin and I think she used her children. It's as simple as that. We are all sexist at times and the topic could keep a converation going for decades - what would you call all the funny lines about hotdogs and wieners last night? They were very funny but sexist as well.

Finally, don't tell me I'm wrong because I don't think right.

I'm getting mad again so had better get off. I've tried to explain my worry about whether I want to stay here or not, but I didn't sleep a wink last night because I have loved it here and felt appreciated and tolerated and as if I made some contributions. I hate the thought of leaving, but if that's what you, Patsi, and a few others think of me, the fun just wouldn't be there.

As I said, I'm writing this with no sleep so don't know how good a job I've done, but at least I've done it. Thanks to anybody or everybody who reads this.

Bethy

Quit acting like a teacher that has to have her way-when a student doesn't agree with her.

Since Craig opened this up again. I will repeat what I said the first time around: If Letterman said that about my daughter- he would have a broken jaw!. I thought about the opposite opinion

If you think about it-they are both the right response to the insults: First there is nothing wrong for someone to take offense to his remarks by want to break his jaw. It is part of our dna-evolution.

The response that you and some other have are not wrong for the exact reason that has been expressed. Palin her self is using her family for political gains.

They all do this. Hillary used her daughter during the primaries. Cheney used his lesbian daughter the same way. Obama has put his daughters for political gains also. They all do it

If he said that about anyone in my family-any one. I will repeat-it is not only what he said that is my main bitch. I is the power and influence that he and other clowns hold over the political process that I find very very wrong with the way that we elect the potus.

Now that (if) you are reading this post-it is just to get you to come over here and tell me off again. I need you to keep my in line with you honest rebuttals of something that I posted that you don't agree with. That first line was to get your attention. Did it work? I don't mean a word of it

Like Carol said If we agree on everything-there no be a need to be here. Of course she talks to 15ft beavers and makes 10 gators cross the road so she can take a pic to make it seem possible for us to believe that prehistoric beavers are tying to eat her and the Maggie drama queen-gee I wonder where she got it from?.

Now maybe we can stop defending the late night Comics and look at what they really are selling. Bullshit. I don't think that Letterman apologized at all. He was forced by his station to come out and give an excuse for what he said. He thinks that he is too powerful to give an honest apology IMO

Patsi- glad that you are back from your little vacation. As you can see. I completely agree with you about all of this. I would like to read your long post about it all.

Warren-

I knew that there was something that I liked about you. Anne ( vampires-U gonna give a Carol a little nip in the neck?)Rice. I read all of her books and agree with why most people read her. Me it was the philosophy that she had in them.

The Idea that a Vampire could live so long as to have met all of the worlds most interesting people on history is what I found employable.

Like they were talking about some friend that they grew up with. The way that she made you feel like you like them for the way that they were. Other than My E. R. B. Tarzan series she is the best. I even have her Mummy book. I have not read any of her books since she went all religion on me tho:

PS-

Patsi - I found a way that I can eat your french toast- to not feel all guilty about eating them. I use 12 grain bread-I use honey instead of jelly. Actually now it is kinda healthy with the peanut butter-eggs and honey. With a big cup of coffee It gets me a lot of energy to get me going.

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