Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Whoop-see-daisy..creepiest coolest video trail mix to date...

...the creepy guy still won't redeem torture even if torture "works."

Does he even know how to play chess?

Cheney,,,looks more and more like all he was,,,was a bull dog,,,,,the real Chess players on his side,,were people like Richard pearl,,,Wolfowitz,,and ,,others like Mary Matlin,,,Carvells wife.Just a puppet for Enron,,,,now he is just like the old muppet cranky old men sitting in the balcany,,,yelling at the new Obama actors.

Bethy,,,CB,,,,,from last thread

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/singlepayer-health-care-advoca.html#comment-227663

Jamie,

Papa Clem is my pick in this one.

How 'bout we get him playing jump rope, chanting crazy rhymes as we did when we were kids? Here's a bad one from the good old days --

"Say say my enemy
Come out and fight with me
And bring your weapons three
Climb up my torture tree
Slide down my razor blade
Into my snake pit
And we'll be enemies
Forever more more more more shut the door. "

"Oh little enemy come out and fight with me
bring your bee-bee gun and we'll have so much fun
I'll shoot your eye out and let you bleed to death
And we'll be enemies, oh, one, two, three, four..."

http://www.beachnet.com/~jeanettem/chants.html#SAY

Someone forgot to tell Cheney the party is over.

And give me a freakin' break..according to Frito-Lay...all potato chips are local nothing like trying to co-op a movement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/dining/13local.html?_r=1&ref=dining

“This is celebrating the notion of community,” said Dave Skena, vice president for potato-chip marketing of Frito-Lay. “We don’t use the term ‘locally grown’ because that’s a personal issue for so many people.”

If Cheney is duelling President Obama, let's hear what Bush43 has to say, and of course "the greatest SOD ever, Don Rumsfeld" , and all the damn neocons...let's trot out the vanquished once and for all for their last say, and then MOVE ON if we aren't going to hold their feet to the fire anyway.
Obama didn't cave at all...he's doing exactly what he said he'd do. He never promised war tribunals, he was extremely hawkish on Afghanistan and Iraq during the campaign, and of course we found out last year how he stands on supporting Israel (although he does not see eye-to-eye with Netanyahu.
I thought we were done with Cheney...how wrong I was! I am sick to death of him. Let's just ignore him, like i ignore Limbaugh...100%.

It's past 2:00 A.M. I am on armed guard duty just in case we get any intruders into the Trail Mix Underground Bunker.
Uh-oh....severe electrical storm here...better shut down and unplug.

Solar - I had already read your post from yesterday, and was a little disappointed to find out that those footprints weren't really homosapiens. That would have been fun to find us that far back.

Flatus - I hope I showed the appropriate sense of honor I felt to think you saw in me some qualities that might be of help to the country, and I hope my long-winded reply didn't lose me any points with you.

We are facing our first heat wave this weekend - groan.

Alex is having a program of his gymnastics class tomorrow night, and I almost forgot! They're really cute and the teacher is a pistol, making them toe the line and making them laugh, too.

It's getting late outside. Guess I'd better go.

Unbelievable BS in Tennessee:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090514/NEWS01/905140349/Tennessee+voids+marriage+of+transgender+pair

And Joe Scarborough is again being an ass. Let us not forget this incident:

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html

check out the painting. doesn't this look like the times when our gracious host posts one of his more controversial pieces to which we respond with our usual civility?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/may/13/art-michelangelo-torment-saint-anthony

cheney brings checkers to a chess match, but behind his back is a machete and a gun.....he's a bad egg.............

cheney who?

After reading that article Pat I realized that even though I ask St. Anthony for help finding lost stuff, and usually find it, I really didn't know much about him. Wiki had a list of St Anthonys so I am not sure which one is helping me find my lost stuff.

And Patsi, very interesting mystery. And the first story you linked doesn't surprise me at all except that it took them 18 months to figure it out.

and good morning Pat, Patsi and Sturge.

and quite creative video Craig. I still want to know who did the Cheney doll?

ct, a good morning to you too. that painting also looks to me like little mikey angelo like the typical bored teenage boy committed graffiti and doodled on a saint's picture on the order of drawing mustaches on the mona lisa. still think it looks like trail mix here on our bad days.

and some night watchman Dex turns out to be. C-Bob must have been catching up on his sleep. You OK C?

and some good days too Pat.

ct, think we embarrassed cbob with too much adoration yesterday?

sturgeone's capsulized theory of evolution: Weak monkey gets kicked out of the tree........

Almost had to call Dex to come over last night. When I went to put out Maggie last night, as I turned on the porch light and stepped out the door, something hit the water very close to the bank with the sound that had to be caused by some significant poundage. Scared both of us.

I waited to see if anything surfaced because that much noise had to be caused by something that breathed air. Nada. I did go get my pea shooter to go walk Maggie.

Thought it might have been an alligator so I went to youtube to see if I could find any videos that would give me the sound of an alligator hitting the water. There are some really gross alligator videos there but nothing that gave me the alligator hitting the water sound.

King me.

trailmix:

http://www.virtualdali.com/63FiftyAbstractPaintings.html

Whoa, Carol -- that post about the possible gator dive brought chills! But the bayou is worth it, isn't it?

RE: Tennessee invalidating a transgender marriage -- I am outraged. How dare the state think it can make that kind of a call?

could be recast as Adventurous monkey yearns to escape the clutches of his boorish overbearing family, invents "travel".

Ya know Patsi, I was thinking a gator would more likely slither not slam the water but maybe if it jumped up to get something else it might. I heard a similar sound a while back but it came from the opposite side of the river. Could have been that big swamp foot I have been looking for.

Jamie, this link is especially for you:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225971131017475.html

I think you're right Carol -- seems like a gator would slither and not leap. Do you have fish that jump that hard? Or would you have recognized that sound?

sturge, both plausible... boorish family kicks out obstreperous too-smart-for-his-own-good kid

Just recently I have heard several people around here say that gators won't hurt people. I need to direct them to youtube. After watching some of those videos you won't catch even my little toe out in that water. Of course after seeing Jaws years ago I didn't take a bath for a month.

That brings up another thought...what all animals live out there around you...besides the birds...

ct, big turtle? jumping fish? more likely what you tho't first, gator...

It would be one hell of a fish and I want to catch that one. I threw in a piece of charcoal into the water to kind of test the intensity of the sound to compare. It was the only thing I could find on the porch that was somewhat biodegradable. I couldn't even hear that sound.

Well it is hi ho, hi ho......You guys have a great day. Will catch you on the flip flop.

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Bethy,

I was overwhelmed by your reply and was somewhat at a loss how to reply.

You are a wonderfully complex person who delights in thinking on a broad ranges of ideas--while maintaining a focus on your core values.

I thought about how fortunate your students are to have had a mentor such as you. And how fortunate your friends and family are to have you in their lives.

And, especially, I am so happy that you have chosen this space as your own.

gators will hurt people.....and eat small dogs.....

patd.... the Moral to ROUGHING IT by twain.....

MORAL.

If the reader thinks he is done, now, and that this book has no moral to it, he is in error. The moral of it is this: If you are of any account, stay at home and make your way by faithful diligence; but if you are "no account," go away from home, and then you will have to work, whether you want to or not. Thus you become a blessing to your friends by ceasing to be a nuisance to them--if the people you go among suffer by the operation.

For goodness sake, Carol, get rid of the peashooter in favor of a riot gun loaded with 00-buckshot. I'm serious.

riot gun without equal:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/w5lx/BrowningA-5Light12SideView.jpg

(belgium made browning .12 guage) russian street fighter gun

Again following the lead taken here---

"Democats to develop plan to sell health care" NYT

It will be interesting to see if they do come up with an effective "message" to convince the public that their health care proposal is not "a Washington takeover of health care" .

Looks like it will be Axelrod v. Luntz in the message creation.

But am not so sure the Max Baucus' saying that dems will emphasize the idea of "shared responsibility" would be effective.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/politics/14health.html?_r=1&hp

Craig...... great video!....
hey.... I did too watch it..... I always watch the ones you and Andrew make.... :)

and Cheney had his chance to be King.... now he's a joke....

looks like all the girls are picking the filly to win.... Go Rachel Alexandra!

Renee -- I want her to win because she's a "girl" and also because of Eight Belles. But I'm also still a big fan of Mine That Bird....

Coreen...
I hope the Democrats get their act together on healthcare soon....

Axelrod had better be on his best game..... like it or not.... Luntz is a master at his craft..... plus he looks like a big Opie and seems to be able to put whole rooms of adults at ease and willingly answering his questions....

Patsi, Renee, take a look at the link I left for Jamie:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225971131017475.html

Renee,

Have to admit that each time I see Luntz I am impressed with his ability to work the room.

You are so right that Axelrod better bring his best game.

Not so sure that the repubs. have the right people to deliver their message this time though---so advantage Luntz may not prove to exist anymore.

Flatus...
interesting article....
and I think the fact that Calvin Borel had his pick and chose the filly speaks volumes....

Patsi.... I'm still a fan of Mine That Bird too.... gotta love it when such an underdog wins one....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225971131017475.html

Interesting link, Flatus....this will be quite a race no matter what.

Carol --

Your critter may have been some species of turtle. I hear them splash all the time. Took me a while to figure out what was making that noise.

This?

http://www.geocities.com/onias_2000/AlligatorSnappingTurtle.html

Or maybe?

http://www.geocities.com/onias_2000/redearedturtle.html

Sturg, would it make sense that she gets whatever kind they have at her monkey house? That way she could get some proper training?

ivy, yeah that's what came to my mind first, an aligator snapping turtle, and don't mess with it either, ct.

Ivy, when I used to watch the old Tarzan movies, the alligators always slithered when they were getting ready to eat someone, but went thrashing crazy when Tarzan rushed to the rescue.

re today's video, another dissonance is the make up of the character's.... he who shall never be named anymore a pudgy lunp of soft old stuff insides vs hard-edged trim, cleancut youth

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227679

patd

That painting also proves that torture doesn't work. You will note that the man being tortured is a saint.

Painting of Trailmix

http://www.hegel-system.de/de/gif/Gruen.jpg

Coreen...
I hope you're right about Luntz..... what hurts is that after the Republicans trashed him because he predicted they would lose seats in the 06 election, the Democrats didn't pick him up....

I've heard him numerous times on NPR and he's emphatic that the only reason he works for Republicans is because they're the ones that hire him....

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/politics/14cong.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

"For Democrats, Unease Grows Over National Security Policy"

"WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats are voicing growing unease over the Obama administration’s national security policies, including the seemingly open-ended commitment in Afghanistan and the nettlesome question of what to do with prisoners held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba."

Great Video Craig. The trouble with Cheney is that he prefers retribution over effectiveness.

Two Junes ago, a red-eared slider turtle crawled up from the lake into my yard. I took his stats - 14" L x 11" W and 7 lbs 4 oz - before setting him back into the water. He made a big splash and a quick getaway as soon as he could.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/opinion/14collins.html?th&emc=th

"Trouble on Air Obama"

"New presidential helicopters are being built even as we speak. But Obama wants nothing to do with them, even though we the taxpayers have already spent $3.2 billion on them. This is because he does not want to appear wasteful."

Obama at the AU commencement was pretty good -- nice swipe at Shrub/Vader - AU didn't give him an honorary degree because they said he had not developed a body of work...so Obama said he agreed just being president isn't enough.

Rez. I have your choice. I love the idea of Rachel winning, but I'm better the jockey for the Preakness, and I love Garrett Gomez on Pioneer of the Nile

Flatus, BW - Mine That Bird
? Big Drama
? Flying Private
Patd - General Quarters
? Luv Gov
? Musket Man
Rezdog - Papa Clem
? Take The Points
? Terrain
Jamie - Pioneer of the Nile
? Friesan Fire
Renee, Blue, Bethy - Rachel Alexander
? Tone It Down

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Hi Patsi
Yes indeed OUTRAGEOUS! I would expect the same from these toads here in Florida.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227726

OMG, Jamie, what have we done to Craig?

Jamie --

You can put me on Friesan Fire again. Thanks!

mornin'

Great vid Craig (well, I'm sure it is since I can't open it here, but the all are).

carol, you may be gone now, but down in the Okefenokee where I did a couple of canoe trips, snakes would fall out of the trees and make pretty impressive splashes. (And I've never seen a turtle jump, but I don't get out much).

Ivy,

I got you on Friesan Fire. Hieronymus Bosch would have made a great trailmixer. :-)

Picasso's "Guernica" also has a trailmix quality

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Picasso.Guernica2.jpg

Pogo, right after the War we went through the Okefenokee on the dirt road/trail. It was so depressing seeing how the Seminoles were living as outcasts. Close to the water itself, the road was covered with snakes, many obviously venomous.

Like fools, we got out of the car to watch the water moccasins doing their thing. We were, of course, barefoot.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/05/palin-ties-miss.html

"Palin Ties Miss California to Obama & Clinton"

"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) issued a statement Wednesday ginning up conservatives -- and creating discomfort for liberals -- by pointing out that Miss California Carrie Prejean, President Barack Obama, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are all avowed opponents of same-sex marriage."

Flatus

You were fortunate that snakes rarely find human beings of interest since they aren't on the menu.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html

This pisses me off. What happened to the idea that either we had a terror case against these folks or we didn't? Rule of law, what rule of law. Here's my solution - close Gitmo, move the suspects that there is enough evidence to make a cas eof probable cause to bad ass fed pens and start the process against them. Those that we don't have a case against - either send them back to their own country if they will take them back or to some other country if they won;t. If no one takes them, they are ours. This is bullshit.

"Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who met this week with White House Counsel Greg Craig to discuss the administration's plans, said among the proposals being studied is seeking authority for indefinite detentions, with the imprimatur of some type of national-security court.

"Sen. Graham said he wants to work with the administration to pass legislation to increase judicial oversight of military commissions, but noted the legal difficulties that would arise.

"This is a difficult question. How do you hold someone in prison without a trial indefinitely?" Sen. Graham said.

"The White House had no comment Wednesday about its detainee deliberations."

How, indeed? This is the same offensive bullshit we saw with the Bush/Darth cabal. (And by the way, did Graham protest the indefinite detentions for the past 7 years and I just missed it - a distinct possibility - and he's now seen the light of day and the rule of law, or is there some political motive to him now asking that question?)

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh051309.shtml

"The Dumbest Person in the World devoted another lengthy segment to ridicule of Carrie Prejean, an insignificant 21-year-old who recently made the mistake of saying something about same-sex marriage which Olbermann has never even bothered describing. (For the record, her view on the matter seems to resemble that of Barack Obama. And that of Hillary Clinton. And John Kerry and Al Gore.) The big nut went on for almost seven minutes mocking Prejean—and her breast implants. But it’s funny, ain’t it? You’ve never heard a word on this program about the things Marion Barry said.

Of course, the reasons for that are obvious:

Olbermann doesn’t have videotape of Barry walking around in a two-piece swim suit. And Barry is an older man, not a younger woman. As Olbermann has made dumb-foundingly clear, he seems to live for the opportunity to ridicule young women. He never says boo about older man—perhaps understanding they could come to his studio and engage in conduct which might require him to obtain a sphincter implant.

Olbermann’s a woman-trasher—a genuine nut on this matter. And no, we hate to break the news: He doesn’t do “progressive” television. He seems to do work designed to capture the eyeballs of well-meaning young liberals. And for some ungodly reason, he does television which has long been devoted to the ridicule of women’s brains and bodies."

You might have to register at The Lancet (A medical journal for health care professionals) website, but there is an excellent article on the medical threat to humans as a result of climate change. Sanjay Gupta just did a short report on the first paragraph, but the whole article is worth reading.

http://download.thelancet.com/flatcontentassets/pdfs/climate-article.pdf

"pointing out that Miss California Carrie Prejean, President Barack Obama, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are all avowed opponents of same-sex marriage."

It's a valid point. Many, many liberals have (stupidly) said the same thing.

jamie - they weren't trying to fall on us, at least I don't think so - we just happened to be in their house while they were trying to find a meal. Only the water moccasins were potentially problematic, and I don't remember even seeing more than a couple. It is kind of disquieting to think you can be drifting along and have a snake drop into your canoe.

Pogo, am I wrong in thinking that if they are recognized as POWs they can be detained so long as hostilities continue?

Patsi
Yes It is a valid point.I have been thinking that Democrats are hypocrites on the issue of gay marriage since this whole Miss California issue hit.Of course I can't stand the bitchy Perez!!! I know the President has his plate full but I want him as well as Hillary to stand up and be counted as being for gay marriage....The President will probably never be more popular,the time is now!!

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Jamie --

I was trying to remember that artist's name...Ship of Fools maybe? but too few figures depicted for our growing population...does have the owl-theme going, however...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoschShipOfFools.jpg

Continuing with my deep disappointment about the Obama administration failing to pressure enough senators to pass the bill to allow bankruptcy judges to modify mortgages---after campaigning that he would get it changed----

"Slow start to Obama Plan to Modify Mortgages" NYT

Further confirmation of what is already known---to date the efforts to assist the stressed homeowners has been minimal at best---in the meantime, foreclosure notices continue to rise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/business/14mortgage.html?pagewanted=1&ref=business

Ivy....
I just had a male scarlet tanager in my yard..... haven't seen one of those in a couple of years either....
http://naturalpatriot.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/scarlet-tanager.jpg

tony..... I've met many gay men that have openly admitted to me that they have a hard time being sympathetic to female issues because their world is so overwhelmingly male.... you obviously don't have that problem..... and I LOVE you for it....

tony, re ko... how right you are. maybe a case of arrested development there?

No Flatus, I don't think you're wrong - that is my understanding as well, (but you define what war we're engaged in and who our enemy is and we can start the discussion - terror and terrorists won't do, thank you) and they would be entitled to the protections of the Geneva convention and other international agreements we are party to regarding the treatment of POWs. Small problem - many of these folks are not members of any armed forces of any country against whom we are at war, and arguably are detainees from the war in Iraq, from which we are withdrawing our combat troops over the next year or so, which draws this, like so much else this wrongheaded adventure has created, into a distinctly gray area. But that is not what was discussed, promised etc. during the presidential contest. We were promised a change in our approach - a withdrawal from the war in Iraq - a closing of Guantanamo, and extension of the legal rights the detainees are entitled to. I would like to see something that approaches integrity come out of the administration on this issue.

Patsi - that article is pure speculation.

And can we really say there is some type of double standard in the media when it comes to scandals?? It is not as if Larry Craig's or David Vitter's "incidents" were swept under the rug...

For those who love to read about food, I just found a fun blog. Their contributors are from all over the world and it varies from historical cookbooks to recipes to restaurant recommendations. The big fun is reading and wondering whether or not you would actually put something in your mouth even if it meant winning Survivior. ... Emu brains anyone?

Stomachs On Legs

http://stomachsonlegs.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html

"It is kind of disquieting to think you can be drifting along and have a snake drop into your canoe."

pogo, when a hapless snake fell into boat on the withlacoochee, my mother jumped out into the shallows but immediately climbed back in upon shouts of "snakes in the water" by mischievous sib. needless to say the boat snake quickly became fish bait and brother almost did too. mother was a tough one except when it came to snakes.

"seems like a gator would slither and not leap

... even slithering, it seems they would make a good size splash sound

"For goodness sake, Carol, get rid of the peashooter in favor of a riot gun loaded with 00-buckshot. I'm serious."

I agree with Flatus Carol. Not to scare you, but why not take precautions. You'll probably never need to use it, but your dogs life may depend on it sometime, if you should run into a predator at night. That's when they're all out.

Jamie, Want to make sure you saw on the previous thread that XRepub and I want Big Drama to win.

The next time some right winger tells you that the environment isn't important, you can use this quote to appeal to their practical side:

"“I’m not trying to save the fish. I’m trying to save dinner.”

Overfishing, pollution, species extinction, and mushrooming human population are wiping out species all over the planet. If they want to go on eating, preservation of habitat is urgent.

Craig, I'm glad your video showed the whole 'politics thing' as a game... because there are many times I think that's all it is. I guess you could say, when we vote we're placing our bets.

Pogo, I agree with much of what you say. My thoughts, though, head in the direction of it 'quacks like a duck, etc.'.

If we can identify those 'combatants' as being part of an organized 'force', despite the fact that the force is not tied to a 'traditional' government, does it not seem reasonable that we elevate their status to that of POWs? And afford them the protections that civilized people confer on POWs?

Conversely, if we are determined to call them criminals, then we had better offer them the common law right of habeas corpus even though our government's repeated attempts to say they are not entitled to constitutional protections?

As I have said on numerous occasions, perhaps not here, though, is that absolutely one of our most important rights is that of habeas corpus. And that once we tolerate our government's ignoring that right in circumstances such we are now engaged, it is only a short step before they start ignoring it to the detriment of American citizens on our own soil.

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Renee
Lov you too!! I agree gay men by and large are not the most sympathetic of female issue's.I think not out of indifference but rather we are so focused on being accepted for who we are,oh and there's are never ending pursuit of MEN..Ha Ha! I took care of the Ladies(my mom and grandmother) for many years. I think that level of closeness gives you a window into female issues and injustices...

Olbermann would hit that if he had the chance.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227761

that is why I and my friends practice "catch and release" especially with trout.

Tony, You're not at work!

"The tail, which accounts for half of the alligator's total length, is primarily used for aquatic propulsion.

The tail can also be used as a weapon of defense when an alligator feels threatened.....

An alligator uses its mouth and claws to uproot vegetation to clear out a space; then, shoving with its body and slashing with its powerful tail, it wallows out a depression that stays full of water in the wet season and holds water after the rains stop."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/a/american_alligator.htm

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I'm not can you believe!! We had a cancellation! I'm sorry about the lost money,not really I'm loving this....

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Pat
I agree!! I think KO in many ways has the mind set of a juvenile boy.....

Pogo,

You yourself....with considerable acceptance..... have repeatedly said that politicians will say/do anything to get elected.

Don't know why you are surpised now? Are you really upset over this or just needing that next cup of coffee....:)

Hi Chloe
Whats up?How's little doll Emma this a.m.?..Yes, were having a thunder storm here! The rainy season has officially arrived...

Good morning. Looking over the past few posting, it looks like we're on alligator tail-mix blog.

I had to laugh the other day when Shanna Moakler said she was leaving her role in the Miss USA Pageant because "she no longer believed in it". As if that was something noble she was doing.

Patd,
My grandparents used to take my sisters and I down to the Withlacoochee to swim when we would visit. They lived near Brooksville. What a great little river......

What about this, Jamie???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090514/ap_on_re_us/us_pfizer_free_drugs;_ylt=AiKsSQD4Ff102s06hOZnMSes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJtZWdkaDlhBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNTE0L3VzX3BmaXplcl9mcmVlX2RydWdzBGNwb3MDOQRwb3MDMTcEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZnJlZWxpcGl0b3J2

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Ha Corey,isn't that the truth..I think she's pitching to be a spokesperson for some group,i just can't figure out who???

Tony, I don't think dems are hypocritical as much as they are split on the gay marriage issue. I know dems (in my own household for instance) who hold opinions on both sided of the issue. Now KO may be hypocritical about it - but if so it's becasue he's an entertainer first and a political commentator second to that entertainer gig - and really, who CARES what Carrie Prejean thinks about gay marriage, breast implants, teeth veneers or any of the other searing issues of the day?

corey....going to see earl scruggo?

alligator.......from the spanish el legarto, the lizard

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Flatus, you are right on target IMHO. I have always been skeptical of claims that enemy combatants were part of any organized force. Some probably are, and then again, some probably aren't - after all, when you gets some of your alleged ECs as a result of offers of bounty for them, you can't be too sure of what you have.

english love to fracture other languages......

hoose-gow ............jusgado
vamoose.................Vamos
caboose.................cabos

cayoose...........etc

First look at House Democrats health care changes.

They are looking at including federal aid to help families earning up to $88,000 pay for insurance together with a requirement that all must carry coverage.

Let the rumble begin---Axelrod v. Luntz to your corners!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090514/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul

Lots of people coming to the Frederick Meijer Garden this summer. Some shows are sold out already.

Indigo Girls on June 24th, The Wallflowers on June 29th, Lyle Lovette on July 19th, Keb' Mo' on July 23rd, Doobie Brothers on July 29th (sold out), Earl Scruggs on August 13th, George Thorogood on August 19th, and Bon Taj Roulet: Bonnie Raitt and Taj Mahal Alone & Together (sold out).

Flatus and Pogo, good discussion.

I think it is breathtaking how quickly we threw civil liberties overboard after 9/11. As horrific as it was, the nation was not at existential risk, as it was during, say, the Civil War, or maybe even WWII. If we were ever truly threatened, it looks to me that we would give up any liberty for the sake of security. Not a good trade-off in even the short term.

knew a guy from east texas would rather climb a tree and pronounce someone's name wrong than stand on the ground and say it right.........Nyman became "Niles" and Newvahner became "Newhouse" etc.....

Hi Tony,

Sunny skies and beautiful here today (some would say hot and humid :)). You know, I love rain and thunder storms, so I would welcome one.

Emma is doing great.... thanks for askingTony. I just finished giving her a bath, and she has her four month old doctors appointment this afternoon, so my daughter is getting off early and taking her to it. She may be able to start eating baby food after that visit.

Glad you got a little time off.

if someone had dreams of say, going to nashville and making it big, he'd say they suffered from "starlitis"

This week Frito Lay tried to make mockery of the local food movement. There really are plenty of local potato chip makers

what's your favorite?
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8599-SF-Healthy-Food-Examiner~y2009m5d14-Whats-your-favorite-local-potato-chip

"Patsi - that article is pure speculation."

Maybe. But why wasn't there any talk about it when Condit was being crucified?

"that is why I and my friends practice "catch and release""

I'm glad to hear that Doots

"it looks to me that we would give up any liberty for the sake of security."

... especially if we never get them back.

sturgeon,

to add to that list I believe vaquero (cowboy) is the root for buckaroo.

cayoose is not for etc :) it is for caballo :)

youtube.com has a video of Dave Stamey singing his famous (in the Cowboy Nation) song Buckaroo Man.

What man doesn't have the "mind set of a juvenile boy....."

(at least on some occasions ; )

Cajun,

I couldn't agree more........The level of gov't intrusion in our lives and the acceptance by the general public sickens me.

Liberty for Security......
Freedom for Equality......

Our society places less and less value on individual rights. Our gov'ts are just responding to our demands.

KGC, I still think Frito Lay and Lays are always the best, partly because they're so consistent. I haven't found any other to compare, and that's coming from someone who loves to get a bargain price on generic stuff.

jax, I am pissed at it (Already had a couple of cups), and I probably shouldn't be as surprised as I am. Somehow I thought the pledge to close Gitmo was more than symbolic and represented a break from the unconscionable acts of the Bush prosecution of the war on terror - I guess is need to think again.

"What man doesn't have the "mind set of a juvenile boy....."

... if there's any such thing, I've never met one. :)

Patsi:

The Condit situation is a lot different because Levy's disappearance was thought to be - and has been confirmed to be - the result of foul play. (Also Condit admitted to an affair.)

It just seems like your anger for MoJo is driving you on this issue - more so than any inequitable treatment by the press.

(lo siento - but I am sensitive on this topic since speculation on the basis of a "lack of information" is what gives us lawyers a bad name. And the media is even worse!!)

".The level of gov't intrusion in our lives and the acceptance by the general public sickens me."

Jax, You always say that as though we (the public) has a choice. Start a movement.

Chloe

No problem but they aren't locally made even if they do have a plant in Plano Texas. It perverts the notion of what is local and the importance.

I have no problem with Lay's Classic chips --no preservative etc. but they aren't a local product

"Our society places less and less value on individual rights. Our gov'ts are just responding to our demands. "

.. and that, I don't agree with at all. Our government is placing less and less value on individual rights, and the public is required to meet their demands. You seem to put blame on the little guy Jax.

Sorry KGC, just thinking about taste, ease, and not the big picture. I'll try them.

KGC

Oh no---I am a Lay's Classic potato chip monster!

Not even sure who would be a local chip producer.

KGC, I'm the same way with Pepsi and Coke. But I do love our local ice cream the best, Blue Bell...yum. They 'are' the best. No Ben and Jerry's or Baskin Robbins for me. :)

Pogo,

I'm just guessing but my thinking is that a good number of these guys are real problems.......

The administration is caught between releasing them and having them potentially return to the action.......great press when that happens.....

Or, bring them into our general prison population and allow them access to spread their brand of dogma there.

I wish that the administration hadn't been so quick to make unequivocal statements about Guantamo. They've painted themselves and now all Americans into a corner on this one.........I don't see a resolution to this being acceptable to anyone now.

Hey Coreen

How about State Line
http://www.taquitos.net/snacks.php?snack_code=1307

and I think there are some other local producers as well
Again I like a Lay's chip too --it's just not a local product which is how they are trying to position themselves

"Not a good trade-off in even the short term."

Very true, cajunjoe...

Warren -- no my anger was fueled was back when it was happening and Condit was branded a murderer yet no one even spoke of this other mess.

KGC, Frito-Lay has a big billboard near here that tells how many local potato farms supplied potatos to make Frito-lay chips last year. Lunch time. Mom's birthday today. She's 75 today.

Chloe,
I just think that most people think that their party is going to do something.

We, the general public, don't hold our own guys accountable. We get so caught up in the Dem vs Rep game that we give our own guys a pass everytime they are in power.

The Reps did it for the last 8 years and the Dems are doing it now. Each time, we, the general public lose freedom.

"We, the general public, don't hold our own guys accountable. We get so caught up in the Dem vs Rep game that we give our own guys a pass everytime they are in power."

Not me Jax, and not you either (as well as many, many others). So how do we change things, without group organization. One at a time just doesn't accomplish much, if you can't rally up the troops.

I say the first thing we have to do is put the blame where it belongs. These people are supposed to 'represent' us and they don't.

PS -- Warren, I know I'm not being fair with Scarborough on the deal.

Chloe,

The Dems are in power now. My issues with the gov't now has much less to do with the executive branch and more with congress.

I truly believe that Reid and Pelosi don't represent us well. There has got to be 2 decent, pragmatic, Dems that could do better for us all. I don't think it's a betrayal of your party to demand better leadership.

Unfortunately, I said the same thing when the Reps were in power and Delay hung around forever.

As far as Cheney goes, I have a couple of thoughts. One is that he was and still is batshit crazy.Second thing is that he's got spinners out saying he's just saying what he believes is best for the country. Only if you believes he gives a damn about the country in the first place.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227780

"Tony, I don't think dems are hypocritical as much as they are split on the gay marriage issue."

I agree with you only partially.I can't prove it but I think most politicians(Obama and Hillary) are taking stands for civil unions as opposed to gay marriage for the sake of votes!Nothing new I realize.....I agree there are some opposed to giving us gays civil rights, hell in the latest polling 49% of Republicans don't want even civil unions for gays..How many years ago in some states was it against the law for people of mixed races to marry??? In 25 years the old guard will have died off and I believe this won't even be an issue....Sadly gays will have to wait it out....

"My issues with the gov't now has much less to do with the executive branch and more with congress. "

Jax, Now on that, I couldn't agree more. You're right on.
That's actually who I was talking about, when I said they represent us -- on a state by state level. That's where we can make a difference.

Corey

When you have 25 bizillion acres --it's always local some place
but not really the spirit of it all.

Happy Birthday to your Mom - hope you have a wonderful celebration

"he's just saying what he believes is best for the country."

He had 8 years to do that, and where did it get us. Who, in their right mind, will listen?

Happy Birthday to your mom Corey.

KGC, I know you're right about the spirit of it all. And I think what you're saying is important. You're one of the people that is making a difference.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227790

Hey Chloe
Glad your little Emma is doing great.Typically Florida the sky got sunny and the temps are rising again and its humid as hell,oops spoke to soon there's another one rolling in...I'm off to the gym and maybe a movie, Star Trek or Outrage if I can find it,have a great day all....

Have fun Tony!

KGC....
my favorite local potato chip is called Tri-Sum....
it's produced in Leominster Massachusetts.... the birthplace of John Chapman... aka.... Johnny Appleseed.... and it's the oldest potato chip company in the US....

http://www.tri-sum.com/

Patsi. .Warren,

I'll indulge in wild speculation because I can, and dislike JS. Where's there's smoke there's fire as the saying goes.

Andrew -

Watch out, you'll go blind if you get into stop motion animations. Plus they're additive as hell.
That is one creepy Cheney doll, it has that Made in Jamaica look.

Nancy P says the CIA's pants are on fire...is she talking about Leon Panetta?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/05/14/national/w082456D50.DTL&tsp=1

It's the same thing with a lot of companies, KGC. People buy a GM or Ford car thinking they are supporting an American company. Most don't even realize that the car they bought was assembled in Mexico or Canada.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227809

jax, you could be right, but either they have a case against them after lo these many years and can hold them as POWs or they don't. This is bullshit and it needs to stop. And I would not be concerned at all about them spreading anything in the max security federal pens - they're full of the worst of the worst and they are not likely to care what a captured Arab has to say. And Gitmo was not acceptable as a solution - it was just the status quo.

Joe, absolutely correct.

pogo/jax:

"Or, bring them into our general prison population and allow them access to spread their brand of dogma there."

I don't buy this argument. It is nonsense that we can't lock terrorists up in America.

First, these terrorists will most likely have to be secluded. Not out of fear that they will spread dogma - but because the other prisoners will want to kick their asses.

Second, our prisons house plenty of dangerous individuals. It is BS to argue that placing convicted terrorists in a maximum security prison represents some type of danger to the surrounding community.

(Their whereabouts could also be classified on a need to know basis to minimize the risk of terrorist attacks on the prisons from the outside. Of course this precaution would be eliminated by all these BS bills requiring the local legislature to approve their capativity in the district.)

Victim tells Press TV of Israeli lobby tactics
Thu, 14 May 2009

Robinson, who is a tenured professor of sociology at the University of California at Santa Barbara, ran the gauntlet after he likened the three-week Israeli war on Gaza to the Holocaust in an email to 80 of his students.

The email, which featured juxtaposed photos of concentration camp inmates and of Palestinians in the blockaded Gaza Strip, gave rise to a raging torrent of criticism from American Jewish circles, many of whom accused Robinson of being an "Israel-bashing anti-Semitic".

Robinson, who is slated to be prosecuted for his remarks, hit back at the criticism in an exclusive Press TV interview, saying it would be "absolutely absurd" to equate criticism of Israel with "anti-Semitism".

"This is an obnoxious charge and the Israeli state and its supporters, including the Israeli lobby in the United States has been doing this for quite sometime, saying any criticism of Israel state policy is anti-Semitic, and this is an intentional tactic done to squash any open debate on Israeli policies," said the 50-year-old Jewish professor.

Several groups -- including the California scholars for academic freedom and most recently the Middle East study association of North America -- have come to Robinson's defense and have described the prosecution as "a clear attempt to silence the criticism against Israel".

Universities in the United States and Europe, under increased pressure from Jewish circles, have stepped up efforts to prevent high-profile critics of Israel from appearing at universities in recent months.

Norman Finkelstein's sharp criticism of the Zionist occupation of Palestinian lands has left him without tenure in the DePaul University in Chicago despite his exemplary academic record.

The United States, which claims to be a supporter of human rights but is plagued by the overwhelming grip of the Zionist lobby on politics, has failed to even condemn the aggression.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227819

Tony, Obama's motives for backing civil unions may not be to your liking, but I've never heard him say anything about supporting gay marriage. I don't see the hypocrisy. I can't say one way or the other re: Hillary, but that's outside her bailiwick in any event. Frankly, what they have to say about a matter that is traditionally peculiarly a matter of state law (outside the concept of equal protection if it were brought up and address by SCOTUS - and don't hold your breath on that one) doesn't mean much.

warren, yup. I don't buy it either. Lately we've been agreeing more often than not. We haven't been discussing Krugman, have we? :-)

tony:

"How many years ago in some states was it against the law for people of mixed races to marry??? In 25 years the old guard will have died off and I believe this won't even be an issue....Sadly gays will have to wait it out...."

You are very right. I just don't understand how people can't see the parrallels between racism and discrimination against gays. How can you feel that segregation and laws preventing mixed marriages were undeniably a mistake - and then come out and support a Constitutional Amendment that would ban gay marriage.

Hah! You're right. Probably best that we stay away from Krugman... Although you are pretty fun to disagree with.

(I can just talk to myself if I am looking for agreement . . . well most of the time at least!)

Another one from Press Tv,,,Netanyahu,,,,is on a swing with his supporting countries,,,,,,,I bet he didn't like or plan on this at all!!

srael comes to blows with Germany over Iran
Germany's special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Bernd Mutzelburg is set to pay a visit to Tehran to discuss measures that can be taken to resolve the Afghan crisis.
The German government's move to send a special envoy to Iran to discuss a solution to resolving the crisis in Afghanistan has drawn fierce criticism from Israel.

Germany's special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Bernd Mutzelburg is scheduled to be dispatched to Tehran for diplomatic troubleshooting aimed at easing the crisis in Iran's war-ravaged neighbor, Afghanistan.
"Engaging the Tehran government in the Afghan crisis, which includes border issues and the repatriation of refugees, would facilitate negotiations on Iran's disputed nuclear program," Mutzelberg was quoted as saying by German daily Handlesblatt.

"Diplomatic negotiations should not start with difficulty but by taking into consideration common interests," he added.
Germany's decision to send Mutzelberg to Iran and engage Tehran in dialogue aimed at resolving the crisis in Afghanistan has however come as a blow to Israel.

According to the German daily, the German move has prompted the Israeli government to call for more cooperation to increase pressure on the Islamic Republic over its nuclear program.
Israel -- the sole possessor of a nuclear warhead in the Middle East -- accuses Iran of efforts to develop a nuclear bomb, maintaining that a "nuclear Iran" is the prime existential threat to its security.

Iran, however, says its nuclear activities are only aimed at the peaceful applications of the technology.
This is not the first time that Iran takes an active part in helping with the situation in Afghanistan.

Earlier in March, representatives from more than 70 nations - including Iran and the US - came together at The Hague for a key conference on Afghanistan.

The meeting was organized by the UN amid widespread concerns that not enough progress has been made in Afghanistan since the US-led invasion of the country in 2001.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/13/lindsey-graham-bush-admin_n_203266.html

lovely, no? I don't want to hear any of the Bush apologists say a f*cking word about the rule of law in the Obama admin. THAT would be the height of hypocrisy wouldn't it?

Obama,,,,to Netanyahu,,,,Shut up and come over here!

Netanyahu stops in Jordan after Egypt

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has paid a surprise visit to Jordan after an earlier visit with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Sharm el-Sheikh.
The hard-line Israeli prime minister arrived in Jordan for talks with King Abdullah in the Red Sea port town of Aqaba early on Thursday.

Netanyahu had met Hosni Mubarak on Monday and is scheduled to meet US President Barack Obama next week in Washington, where he is expected to try and ensure continued US support for Israel in its conflicts against Palestinians and Iran.

Thursday reports suggest that Obama had sent a message to Netanyahu to warn him against 'surprising' the US by launching a military attack on Iran.
Egypt and Jordan are the only Arab countries that have diplomatic ties with Israel.
Israel has praised Egypt's collaboration with Israel in enforcing the crippling blockade of the Gaza Strip and its nearly 1.5 million residents.

from Press tv

well, warren, it is fun to disagree, and tomorrow is Krugman day, but I'm going to be traveling, so I won't be able to engage in lively repartee over what is destined to be a disagreement over his column - unless I get stuck in Charlotte or Philly with an hour or so on my hands. Nutz.

so, solarillusion, any kin to solar, a.k.a. solarcrete?

For my money, it's hypocritical to claim to be liberal (as do both Obama and Hillary) and still refuse to take a stand on gay marriage. I, too, understand the politics...but still....

Unless I'm mistaken (and that's happened before) Obama and Hillary have both made clear that they oppose gay marriage -- but favor civil unions. While that might not be a defensible 'liberal' position, it is a rational 'political' position if your long term objective is to work toward equal rights but know it will take time and incremental progress is better than no progress at all. It is political realism. A majority of voting Californians backed Prop 8.

Jamie, if you wouldn't mind, I'll ride Rachel Alexandra to the wire at the Preakness.

Pats. well, I'm the one in my family that supports gay marriage, and th' missus opposes it. And I am considerably more liberal on social issues than is she.

Patsi..It is time for Democatic politicians to stop playing the I'm against marriage but for civ. unions bologna.

I'm nauseated every time I hear a conservative say their view on gay marriage is the same as President Obama. I encourage Hillary and Obama to get with the program and show a little courage..

Jamie...

If you're around, you can put me on Flying Private. No particular horse-related reason...I just like his name...it's the only reason I've ever thought I'd like to be rich....

Of course, I've never felt that a religious ceremnoy means anything anyway when it comes to marriage. It's simply a contract to me. I don't see any religious part of marriage in the first place. So for me it's basically a non-issue. And I've never understood for a minute why anyone cares.

here is that Dave Stamey song Buckaroo Man I posted about this morning. youtube had me locked out for some reason.

http://tinyurl.com/q3sqgd

good song!

Speaking of hyposcrisy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/ben-nelson-tougher-on-oba_n_203447.html

Ben Nelson - what a frickin' idiot. Does he think that Obama is going to nominate abortion opponents to policy positions in DoJ? Is he brain dead?

"so, solarillusion, any kin to solar, a.k.a. solarcrete?"

Unfortuneatly,,,,He is my evil twin,,,or Im his??? I thought that I would switch to solarillusion,,,and maybe stop posting all of the war stuff ,,,,but it keeps getting right in front of me,,,I don't get it from the normal news outlets,,,and they have a very diff take,,most times than the standard ones that are read by most here,,,,sorry if it becomes a little tiresome,,,but it pisses me off that we are going to loose so many of our soldiers,,,and the expendable civilians ,,,,,,,Oh and I totally agree with you and warren today,,about the detainees,,,,don't tell me you had Mex,,,for lunch today again,,,,even I don't have it as much,,,,I like to eat something diff,,,every two day's

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/13/ben-nelson-all-alone-in-q_n_203084.html

Nelson again - this time on health care reform. I wonder how lonely that closet will be if he stays alone in it long enough?

Unfortuneatly,,==unfortunately,,,gonna learn to preview one of these day's

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227753

Renee --

I almost forgot how stunningly vibrant are the colors of the scarlet tanager...you are a lucky birdie at your outpost.

My PA friends had a bear incursion on their cabin porch last weekend. I'm getting concerned for them and us too 'cuz we're going to be spending a few days with them in June...me no like bears up close.

OHHHHH, so you is you? Then I forgot to mention lunch. (I guess we all need an alias). No, today was an elegant dinner of SW chicken salad at Casa de Wendy's.

patsi, isn't it possible to be a liberal and believe that civil unions and only civil unions are what our form of gov't should be concerned with? and those lawful civil unions then can be or not be termed "marriages" according to whatever religion the happy couple belongs.
as said before, just a matter of updating the statutes, dumping the word "marriage" just like we dumped such words as "sin" "heresy" etc.. we the gov't need to divorce ourselves from the religious terminologies.

come to think of it that sound's more libertarian than liberal huh?

patsi, sorry didn't see your last statement on the issue when i wrote the above.

Jamie ,,,,,,I would like to put my whole one dollar on Flying private also,,,,just cos thats the way,,,Ive done it all my life,,,,an because,,,what Harborwomen said,,,sound good too,,,Harborwomen,,scoot up a little :)

" dumping the word "marriage" just like we dumped such words as "sin" "heresy" etc.. we the gov't need to divorce ourselves from the religious terminologies."

Good point, patd...

Pogo,,,

,,,,yeah,,,me was me,,,,,but I want us to look into what XR called me last night,,,,,,He called me SolarDelusional,,,,,gotta be a defamation case in there somewhere,,,,,,....and don't you go agreeing with him,,,,or I get Warren after you,,,and Pogo HA!

I was watching Obama on cnn,,,he was having a town hall meeting,,,Im starting to listen to him ,,like I did the good Catholic Priest at the alter,,,,,what is he selling,,and what part of it is spin,,,,I did not like his answers that he had for not giving us a single payer ins,,,,,said that there are things in the way,,,we already have some programs,,,and it would be hard to start over,,,but would like us all to have it,,and,,,that is makes sense to have it,,cos it would save $ in the long run,,,,am I getting you dizzy yet,,,,ok then,,,,he also said that ,,,the countries that have them are bettet off with them,,,but we can't have them,,,,,here is the thing,,,,,,START all over again,,,no one will complain about it,,,there is no one with insurance,,,,,well maybe Jax,,,,,,but he will come around,,,once he see how much that he will save,,,,after all that is his main concern,,,,and,,,,he loves the Government,,,,he deal with them everyday,,,or is just the & from us tax payers that he likes to rake in with high gove,,,contracts,,,,,Oh well..

He's not going to push single payer health care, Spolar...I gave up on that a long time ago. About the same time I realized we'd be in Afghanistan and Iraq for another ten years or more.....

But maybe he'll do the economy some good. At least he ain't Bush.

Well, I'm on the road in about 10 minutes, so everyone hold hands and look both ways when you cross the street. And DON"T ignore that black car speeding toward you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227831

C-Bob --

It sorta looks like the slammit-dammit dolls my mom makes for stress relief...

Loved your Quannah Parker stuff...for some reason it got me to recall the tv show "The Eyes of Texas" with host Ray Miller. Maybe it aired only in Houston, but the show (and companion travel guides) covered just about every interesting people, place or thing in Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Texas_(TV_Series)

"At least he ain't Bush."

Well, there is that. :-)

Hi Patsi,,,,,,,,,,,

I want to change my cellular phone package,,,I don't need the one I have,,,cos Im not out on the field all of the time anymore,,,I have been with the same one for 15 years or more,,,,just been changing to diff packages,,,,now they are telling me that I can't have,,,free incoming like I have had for ever,,,they are forcing me to keep what I don't need,,,or change to what I don't want ,,,,,,so I have looked around the past few day's,,,,and found something that is great,,,,,

I found that the Boost Mobile,,,,gives me all that I want,,,,,and even a lot more,,,,like free phone Web,,,and text,,,,plus my radio,,,,to radio,,,walkie talkies ,,which are very important to me,,everything unlimited,,,,for $50.00 flat,,,that is including tax,,,they are at Wallgreens,,,and Cvs,,,and Wallmart,,,gonna get one for a month,,and drop this one like a bad habit,,,,,,,oh and not contracts,,,,and not credit check,,,,or pay as you go,,,,,lot of people will like this one,,,,just like they do the Magic Jack,,I love it.

Rendition vs Extradition.

If another allied state files legitimate charges against one or more of our Guantanamo detainees, why can't defer to their criminal processes. In other words, we extradite to them and wash our hands of them.

So long as everything is aboveboard, would this avoid the taint of the rendition programs done under Bush & Co.?

"At least he ain't Bush."

Patsi, That certainly says it all. Concise, to the point & I completely agree.

Whoa with all this get a bigger gun talk. I know, I thought of it myself but my little 22 high standard revolver is the liberal compromise to the no gun at all club. It gives me that little hint of testosterone feeling that I need when feeling frightened.

It usually won't kill anyone but it can make a sieve out of them as the little bullet zings back and forth looking for light. Time to get your aerobic exercise, running, in waiting for the recipiant of the bullet to slow down.

I took off work early today because I think my thyroid finally hit the wall. I started at Mexican jumping bean then settled down to energizer bunny and now I am at tortoise or maybe slug. I think I will have to plug into an electric socket to make the rest of the day.

as of today, it is this tmr's intent to institute a personal form of shunning (aka meidung, cherem, nithing, reculement, etc) of the most recent ex-vpotus whose name shall not be uttered anymore by me until the memory of his hypocracies, policies and deeds against the best interests of this country no longer incite rage, stress and befoul my usually good mood. the aforesaid constitutional heretic will be referred (if referrence is completely unavoidable) thence forth with the catchall symbol 666.... my past use of the term "the dick" was a disservice to the males among us and i humbly seek their forgiveness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning

and Jamie, you missed my Rachel Alexandra pick. Made it yesterday. Get the cat hair out of your eyes sista.

Making room, Solar! Flying Private is now flying double....

With all those TMers aboard, Ms Alexandra better be hauling a mighty big wagon!

Flatus, Rachel is a girl, she can multihaul.

Carol, I think I hear what you are saying about using the minimum firepower that will do the job.

My concern is that it will be so little that it will just piss off whom/whatever you're shooting at.

If you are to use it for defense of your home and yourself from an intruder, then I urge you confront that person with a .357 Colt Python held in both hands. Hopefully, you would never need fire the weapon as your presence would be very intimidating. But if you did, it would be out of fear for your life--a situation where you shouldn't be worrying about hurting the other individual.

If you are worried about a gator with a peanut sized brain, then you'd better get the hell out of there, or have a weapon like Sturg and I suggested that will do catastrophic damage to the animal. A critter that moves against humans is definitely a threat to the community and should be destroyed.

I hope your thyroid is settling down now that you're home. And, I will never mention weapons again; I've said my piece. Something I wouldn't do if I wasn't concerned.

run, general quarters, run! forget about that well rounded beauty ahead of you...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown09/news/story?id=4164537

You are right, I mean correct, as usual, Flatus.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-227897

Aww, come on, Flatus. You can't shoot her. She's such a good mom... (^_~)

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/reptiles/alligator-pictures4.htm

harborw..... it's great to see you posting again.... I was thinking about you and your son last week.... I'm still playing the cat bowling game....

Flatus.... I was the first to want RachelA.... they all have to sit behind me while I hold onto Calvin.....

Ivy..... make a lot of noise..... bears hate noise....

Jamie,

I'll take Musket Man.

Traveling the from now until Monday. Have a great weekend all.

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Renee --

Does screaming count as noise? That's what I'll do if a bear comes on the porch... (^_~)

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Safe trip, Edv. We'll hold your winnings for you...

Went out to check my floating fish keeper where I had several fish held up. Something mauled them pretty good. All dead. I couldn't find a metal basket I used to have. All I could find was this cloth thing and it did worry me that this might happen. Maybe it called a gator over last night.

I would remind everyone we brought 1,000's and 1,000's of Nazis here.
These are they guys that industrialized murder. We survived every one of them.

I've been dealing with car repairs all morning so if this is a duplicate I apologize. Here are some of the torture pictures leaked to the Sydney Morning Herald several years ago. If blood bothers you, do not click on link. Just know this was done in your name.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/here-are-few-of-torture-photos-obama.html

Good point, C-Bob.

CBob

We manage to hang on to all of our lethal crazies in jail without damage to the surrounding areas. I doubt any prisoner of war is going cause any anguish unless they possess magical powers of invisibility and invincibility

Yuk Jamie, some of my guys come into jail looking like that but when they leave they look real good.

And Ivy I was perusing the alligator pics you linked. Only their mamas could love them.

Jamie:

One of the posts in the comment section under those pictures quoted this poem:

I am reminded of a poem by Martin Niemöller

"
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.

On a lighter note - this struck me as kinda cool:

First 'tweets' from space sent by shuttle astronaut

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090514/sc_space/firsttwittermessagefromspacesent

On this project with Sea, I published a photo of the German citizens being walked by the corpses at Buchenwald so that they could never deny what happened there.

It doesn't matter whether these acts were done from the top down (we now know Cheney's "office" specifically requested use of water boarding) or whether it was done by "a few bad apples", the only way to get back our reputation is to expose it all.

The arguement that "they will use it for recruitment" is totally specious. They can step out their front door and get pictures of refugees, maimed children and dead bodies. They don't have to wait for us to publish our pictures.

These pictures are for the American public so they will know what happens when we allow anyone to circumvent the Constitution. We can never again stand for ANY President of ANY party have this kind of power to act in this way for us.

Jamie -- those pictures are simply awful I am ashamed of this country.

Carol -- sounds like you did have a gator.

I saw that Niemöller piece, Warren...thanks for posting the whole thing.

I am so GLAD that Schumer is going to look into those automated, stupid bot calls, I can't begin to express it.

I thought it was just me, maybe. But it's freakin' relentless.

You go Chuck!

*he's always been mah man*

tt

Craig, LOVE today's video.

Like your dolls, too.

tt

First of all, I want to say that I always thought KO had problems with women, and I still do. He is not a stable personality. He does interview some women, but not many, and he knows Rachel is so much smarter than he that he would never take her on. Also, being kind to a gay person would seem to be proof of his liberal values.

As for the gitmo guys, if we have problems re their being part of an organized force, hadn't we better come up with a new definition of individuals? I'm okay with giving them a trial and locking them up without access to computers.

This may sound flippant, but it's not meant to be so.
I never thought re gay men living in an almost male world and ergo un-sympathetic to women's issue, but if so, would it be sensible to say the same thing re lesbians? I do think those two worlds are un-known territory to heteros, and I don't think that kind of ignorance is good for society - it leads to all sorts of prejudices.

Single-payer madical care is going to eventually come about, I suspect, but will be eased in by trial and error.
I've said before that extreme changes are dangerous and for many reasons. Creating a metric nation here wasn't a big success. Imagine trying to turn Britain into a nation of driving on the right. All those things have logistic designing ad infinitum and nauseum.

I think the heat wave is starting early.

Oh, and Carol - if James Lee Burke were in charge, that splash might have been some mobster dumping a body! Any neighbors missing??????????

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Thanks, Renee! And thanks for the cat bowling reminder...haven't done that for a while, and I could use a 'fix'....

Thank you (I think) for posting the link to those pictures, Jamie. What's been done in our name is horrendous! Just listening to Duncan Hunter spout his opinion that it was done by a few bad apples...and that water-boarding isn't torture...made me want to puke. I just don't get why some humans are so willing to be so inhumane to other humans.

If you say something is done in our name it's implying we would do the act ourselves. Absolute rubbish. There's no way any of us would do those acts.

That's an interesting take, Flatus...that saying something done in our name implies that we would do the act ourselves. I don't agree. By saying that these acts were done in our name, I mean that my government chose to allow something I really, really wish they hadn't...specifically because I would NOT commit those acts.

Harborwomen,,,,hang on tight,,,,but not my ears ,even if they look a little big to ya,,,,,how we gonna split this here winins?? tell you what,,lets give it back to the hoss,,,lets but him,some good eats,,,,,,,Hey,,,,,,,Taxes,,,,,,if you buy food for the horse,(that he eats at one end),you pay a tax,,,and if you use (buy) fertilizer made from that horse,,(from the other end of it),,,well that's like getting taxed ,,,at both ends :-),,is that fair?

Flatus

I agree with Harborwoman. Plus, if we allow this to pass without doing anything, THEN we are saying that it is something we would do.

As for the way to go, there had better be convictions or pardons. Either way, everything should be out in the open and known no matter how bad.

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Patd

That is my position. As far as the government is concerned, I don't believe anyone should be "married". That is a purely religious and/or social designation.

When it comes to the government, either everyone has the right to "get married" or no one does.

Hi, Jamie...

Did you see up-thread that Solar and I have agreed to ride double on Flying Private? But you're in back, Solar! I called him first! :-D

pogo's town and corey's town both lost their Chrysler dealerships today. We kept ours, for now. By June 9, 789 Chrysler dealerships have to be closed permanently.
I used to work for Dana Corporation. At the Fort Wayne plant, which makes axles, 115 jobs were cut with one fell swoop today.
This thing is headed nowhere but down.

H W,,,,,that's ok,,,,,,you take care of the front,,,while I'll let you know how close the other horses are getting,,,,watch how U use that whip HA!

Agree with you about the pics Jamie. More for us/US to ponder. Did you get my horse pick?

Bethy I did consider your suggestion for the noise. I was trying hard to think of something not too bad because I had to walk little Maggie and had to go get my work clothes out of the truck.

I just told my neighbor about it and he said beaver. Wow I never thought of that option. That is a cute and cuddlie option, like it a lot. He said there have been some beavers around. I could have gotten a little more sleep last night if I knew that. And the cousin who just moved him with him is still there so a body is out.

You got it, Solar! Altho' I'm imitating Renee and just hanging on tight to the jockey...;-0...He can handle the whip, if it's needed....

Gotta' run for awhile.

Harbor. Yes I got you and Solar.

Everyone double check to make sure I've got you.

Flatus, BW Mine That Bird
? Big Drama
HW, Solar Flying Private
Patd General Quarters
? Luv Gov
Ed Vb Musket Man
Rezdog Papa Clem
? Take The Points
? Terrain
Jamie Pioneer of the Nile
Ivy Friesan Fire
Renee, Blue, Bethy Rachel Alexander
? Tone It Down

I have my NP meeting tonight and get to go out to eat, all expenses paid, to a high dollar eatery in town, one I am too cheap to shell out for. Thanks to you guys for your contribution to big pharma. With all the courses I will have dinner for tomorrow night also.

Toodles

Dang it Jamie, you still don't have me down for Rachel Alexandra. This is #3 request. Are you ignoring me? I'm starting to feel invisible here.

Jamie,
Don't forget XRepub and me for Bid Drama also

Big

I'm going with Luv Gov

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"Frankly, what they have to say about a matter that is traditionally peculiarly a matter of state law (outside the concept of equal protection if it were brought up and address by SCOTUS - and don't hold your breath on that one) doesn't mean much."

Pogo
First thanks for your nice responses.I realize your speaking from a law perspective but what the President and Hillary have to say on the issue of gay marriage means very much to me....

My apologies ct. I have you on Rachel now. It's just been an insane day.

The conservatives keep saying the question is: "What did Nancy Pelosi know and when did she know it?"

NO!!!

The question is: "What was done and who did it?"

I am gonna take Take the Points.

(I don't wanna see any horse have to take on all you trail mixers alone!)

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Warren
Exactly, very well put and explains my feelings better than I ever could...

Chloe, xr, and KGC - Got you.

Updated list:

Flatus, BW Mine That Bird
XR, Chloe Big Drama
HW, Solar Flying Private
Patd General Quarters
KGC Luv Gov
Ed Vb Musket Man
Rezdog Papa Clem
? Take The Points
? Terrain
Jamie Pioneer of the Nile
Ivy Friesan Fire
Renee, Blue, Bethy, ct Rachel Alexander
? Tone It Down

Okay Warren - Take the Points it is

Jamie:

Pelosi is all they got in their deny, distract and dismiss strategy.

(As usual - its plays much better in the right-wing echo chamber than it does in America.)

Thanks tony! I was very troubled when there was talk about actually amending the Constituion to decrease equality in our society.

(looks like I have some "empathy" - where is that short list?!)

All the talk about gay marriage. If you haven't seen the cemetery scene from Torch Song Trilogy - It gets the point across:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q9HkURMrWs

Anne Bancroft being brilliant and Harvey Fierstein who wrote one of the most incredible dramatic pieces ever for stage and screen.

"This may sound flippant, but it's not meant to be so.
I never thought re gay men living in an almost male world and ergo un-sympathetic to women's issue, but if so, would it be sensible to say the same thing re lesbians? I do think those two worlds are un-known territory to heteros, and I don't think that kind of ignorance is good for society - it leads to all sorts of prejudices."

Bethy
It doesn't sound flippant at all.I think you have made a very good observation.I don't know many lesbians so I really can't answer the question.I think your right regarding ignorance of gay life and prejudices though.I firmly believe if the majority of people really knew strong gay families they wouldn't be so willing to deny us are civil rights....

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Jamie thanks for that..Touching.....

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Dexter,

It could get very bad. A news report today said that 50% of the dealerships account for 90% of their sales. It they close all those small town dealerships, that will be a major hole in the economy for large parts of the country.

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Tony

It is one of my favorite movies simply because it may use gay characters, but it is totally just about human beings.

That is one of the sad parts, but there are equally hilarious ones. Anyone who can keep a straight face while Harvey in robe and bunny slippers comes to get his son after a fight at school is just plain missing their funny bone.

"Carol - if James Lee Burke were in charge, that splash might have been some mobster dumping a body! Any neighbors missing??????????"

ROFL@Bethy!!!! You may be right! Carol -- check water's edge....

Patsi,

I read/hear where S Palin is planning to collaborate on a book.
I assume, in all likelihood, she will not be writing the book but having someone do the writing for her and therefore she will not be the author. Normally, just what does "collaborating on a book" mean? Is it anything like what one your C& W personalities/clients does with you and you are the author?

rez

It's a memoir anyway so it's just her version of the truth Collaborator is probably a very good term. Don't you think the collaborator's job will be to clean up the grammar?

maybe we should all chip in and buy Palin a copy of Eats, Shoots and Leaves

KGC

You have to watch out for those machine gun toting panda bears.

Pelosi calls the CIA a bunch of liars

maybe that might be a good header....lol

On other news fronts in the global game of chess Obama appears to be waking up to:

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6075 (Debka was first in asserting Iran grabbed Saberi to exchange for four Iranians held in Iraq. This trade appears to be going forward once Iran locates the where abouts of Mr. Levinson missing for some time in Iran)

Obama team reconsidering their tact towards Iran and Israel. Today Hizb’Allah admitted it has sent Hamas military aid for some time and that Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hizb’Allah are all working together. I asserted this a few years ago and more recently last summer during the primary.

The Obama administration also is sending strong new signals to Syria.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/05/senior_al_qaeda_lead_4.php and this is how Syria repaid Obama’s gestures: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/10/AR2009051002242.html?nav=hcmoduletmv

Obama is preparing a major speech in Egypt and has recently reversed his opinion on releasing torture photos. Obama is now also threatening the UK over release of interrogation information.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/05/senior_al_qaeda_lead_4.php

Why? Perhaps the military which Obama sorely needs is a. forcing the ground realities on a somewhat idealistic administration; b. militants in Pakistan are closer to grabbing nukes than previously thought, c. the daily briefings show Iran is pushing forward with provocative behavior by proxies and Quds in SA, North Africa, Gaza and Lebanon. There appears to be a push by Russia to sell advanced weapons to Syria and Iran through Belarus.

Perhaps Obama now sees what is really going on. One can only hope…….

I haven’t forgotten Jack’s assertions that “terrorists will never use WMD here in America” (close paraphrase Jack) and Solar’s assertion that US forensics are likely to locate the origin of a WMD attack here or against our allies. There is substantial evidence and opinion to the contrary. Perhaps a Google is in order before I post on these subjects next week.

Thanks Craig for allowing me the forum to share this information with intelligent Liberals……..

And yep, don't bring checkers to this dangerous game of chess..........

Andy Borowitz on Nostradamus, Palin, and the end of the world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/palin-prejean-alliance-pr_b_203436.html

Just so there is no misunderstanding Dr. Logsdon is a character Borowitz invented for satirical purposes. He has been quoted as real so often that the University of Minnesota now has him listed on their home page with the disclaimer. :-)

tack not tact......tact is what you must have when referring to tacks......

You mean its not from tactics? Thanks Sturg.

sailing? a tack into the wind......

pardon my tacky response.......

Strug, you are one of the most consistent people here. I wouln't want it any other way no matter the tacks.

No offense, I meant Sturg.........

a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds........my little mind and its full panoply of hobgoblins thank you for your keen observation...........lol

Oops, my last link above on the Obama-UK fight is here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5319362/US-government-renews-threat-to-withdraw-intelligence-sharing.html

No problemo my fellow Trail walker......

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | May 14, 2009 8:05 PM

nasty little buggers

Max,

Chess, checkers, Parcheesi or go get a Clue -

Cleaning up this mess will not endanger us anymore than the war and torture have already done and might actually help alleviate some problems in diplomacy and negotiations. This was rotten from the White House down to the blood on the floor. There is no way we can reclaim our view of ourselves and the world is to clean up the sewage.

Even Shepherd of Fox got it right - The United States does NOT torture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok Sturge... Now you've got me really laughing again

"Hobgoblins seem to be small, hairy little men who—like their close relative, Brownies—are often found within human dwellings, doing odd jobs around the house while the family is lost in sleep. Such chores are typically small deeds, like dusting and ironing. Oftentimes, the only compensation necessary in return for these was food. Attempts to give them clothing would often banish them forever, though whether they take offense to such gifts or are simply too proud to work in new threads differs from teller to teller."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobgoblin

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker| May 14, 2009 7:38 PM

Dang it! I was so looking forward to reading her autobiography. Such an interesting person. :~)

Glenn Close writing about "Puppies Behind Bars" and the training of service dogs for the disabled. This story is about a servicman with PTSD and "Frankie" that will be featured on Oprah tomorrow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/glenn-close/why-i-went-to-prison-for_b_203042.html

Finally, a fresh new perspective for the GOP!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Roberta_McCain_blunt_as_ever_whacks_Limbaugh_Steele.html#comments

Thanks Jamie! I forwarded that article onto my mom.

tsunami building.....................seems to me it's slowly being proved that the enhanced interrogations were being used not to save any lives, but rather to force confessions of iraq-al queda connections.........it's still way out at sea but it's making good time and is steady building............

can't put nothing by me, by gum.......

On a more serious note - I am a big fan of Meghan McCain.

Here is her take on guns:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-14/trigger-happy/

(I was a big fan before I started reading her columns and nothing compliments a pretty face like having a smart mind inside it ; )

"Thanks to you guys for your contribution to big pharma. With all the courses I will have dinner for tomorrow night also. "

ROFL, Carol! You are very welcome!!!! I'd feel so much better if Big Pharma was buying you dinner instead of handing out bogus bonuses!

"Is it anything like what one your C& W personalities/clients does with you and you are the author? "

Yes -- it usually means that the writer tapes a lot of interviews, gets a feel for the person's "voice" and the story they want to tell, then works from there. People usually say what Sarah Palin did, that they plan to do a lot of the writing themselves....but in the end, they just don't have the time.

"Don't you think the collaborator's job will be to clean up the grammar?"

No -- that's very seldom the case.

Warren,

That was an excellent article by Ms. McCain and pretty well reflects my thinking. She didn't mention registration or gun shows so we might run into some differences there, but I'm all for law abiding people who know how to use them having guns if they want.

Patsi, I'm back and I put your contribution to big pharma to good use. It is hanging on my ass right now or will soon be.

clovers, cash and trash.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnDuR8QG-s

I had my monthly bloody Mary so I couldn't feel the pain of stuffing it all in tonight.

a mini set from The Beatles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85mllo0oKfU&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

Bethy, I plan on renting that DVD, In the Electric Mist, this weekend. That's a Burke story. I couldn't for the last two weekends because it didn't meet the criteria of what my sister would watch.

Not only is it debateable what constitutes "torture" or that the three given harsh interrogations were exactly the 24 situation both McCain and Bill Clinton talked about, the idea of sinking OUR PRESENT battle in this partisan debate is inane, dangerous and self-defeating. Perhaps you can see the connection between the dots I drew above, yes? And Obama certainly didn't torture anyone, so he absolutely has the eye on the right ball. You would have trials now as Afghanistan and Pakistan fall.

Perhaps I should respond to Jacks comment late night, or Solar.

“Terrorists will never attack the US with WMD” Jack
"ANd we will know who did it" Solar

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD228109 A word from a terrorist supporter

World at Risk http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/WMDReport.pdf

NEST http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb267/index.htm

The art of nuclear forensics http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/5/1/5/5/pages151550/p151550-1.php

They come by sea http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/RL33787.pdf

WMD cheaper than nukes http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11848&page=133

An open secret http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,613532,00.html

Carol - The beaver is probably the right explanation - they're pretty big,and aren't they supposed to slap their tails when scared?

I know what you mean re your sister. One of mine doesn't like black and white (don't ask) and the other one wantsthe sound too high and notices little things her companions do - so you can't swing your foot or eat or move too much etc. So I get back by refusing to watch anything sad or sick - Schindler's List etc. We've
known each other too long!

Tony - one thing that seems to be accepted wisdom is that gay men are good neighbors. Seems to me that nearly everything else "one" hears is very melodramatic.

Bethy, I am now married to the beaver explanation and was able to walk little Maggie after dark without fear but still had my little 22 sticking out of my pocket. Here's hoping I don't shoot my twat off.

even though it may need a little trim after that dinner I consumed.

And Solar, a bit from one of the links above:

"The United States needs to determine what consequences would follow terrorist attacks, and to communicate these to would-be state sponsors.” (Levi, 2005) By communicating these consequences in advance of a nuclear detonation, the United States would attempt to convince nuclear-armed states and countries with nuclear-weapons-usable materials to place rigorous controls on these weapons and materials. If this policy is successful, it would constitute deterrence by other means or indirect deterrence. Many analysts believe that direct deterrence of nuclear terrorists is very difficult or impossible. Two government scientists involved in the attribution program have emphasized, “For deterrence to succeed, it is essential that the U.S. have a demonstrated will and capability to hold accountable those who are responsible for terrorist activities.” (Davis and Prosnitz, 2003) They also point out that the physics community has a special responsibility in informing policymakers and political leaders about what is possible and not possible with attribution programs. Political leaders should account for the uncertainties when deciding how to respond to a nuclear attack. An outstanding question is: how much certainty is needed to attribute a source? Even if reasonable amount of certainty is obtained, what can the victim state do in response? If a state transferred nuclear material to a terrorist group, it could have altered the composition of the material to hide the source or to cast blame on another source. (Zimmerman, 2006) Another policy challenge is how to respond if the source of fissile material is U.S.-origin material. Through the Atoms for Peace program, the United States has supplied many countries with HEU for research reactor programs. The United States also continues to supply HEU to medical isotope producers, for example, MDS Nordion in Canada. Would the United States blame itself or the country possessing the U.S.-origin HEU if this material were seized by terrorists? A further challenging scenario is leakage or transfer of fissile material from Russia. How should Washington respond to Moscow if this material were used to make a bomb that blew up New York?"

I would gladly be a bit harsh to prevent the above from happening, wouldn't you?

way too funny ct!! classic.

ok max - any talk of using nuclear weapons is assinine and only opens the door to all of the nightmare scenarios you constantly imagine.

"Tony - one thing that seems to be accepted wisdom is that gay men are good neighbors. Seems to me that nearly everything else "one" hears is very melodramatic."

Ha Bethy
I think I qualify as a good neighbor.I take care of Sara and Johns dog Luna when there away.Its a pleasure ,Luna is this beautiful black lab and Jessie just loves her....I mind my business and pretty much keep to myself.HA HA, melodramatic...Not me I'm pretty calm and steady....Oh uh well last year during primary season I was a total bitch though yelling at the TV talking heads and all......

And I - unlike most - think the question of what constitutes torture is debatable.

And anytime I hear the argument about how we prosecuted people for war crimes - including waterboarding - after WWII - I think:

-only the losing side was prosecuted, i.e., selective justice

and

-actions in an effort to prevent future terrorist attacks is a far cry from actions taken to wipe out or punish an "inferior race"

I am not sure I buy your argument that all waterboarding was taken in a "ticking time bomb" scenario. And following everything closely - I think Cheney is carefully stretching the "facts" to fit his purpose. I think some information was gained through traditional interrogation - and some gained from the enhanced techniques currently at issue. The way that all intelligence is connected and evolves - leaves a good chance that that question can never be resolved definitively.

And one of the most insightful things I have heard is from Tweety. The problem is that the Bush crew tried to change the rules to make torture/enhanced interrogation the rule.

Instead of requiring that imminent circumstances justify a breaking of the law, e.g. like shooting down a passenger plane headed for the White House.

So bottom line - Obama was correct to outlaw these techniques as soon as he got into office.

They should not be the standard operation procedure in the indeterminate "war on terror."

But - I would have no problem - or at least be willing to accept - a situation where the President authorized the CIA to waterboard a suspect - who we believe - beyond a reasonable doubt - has information regarding an imminent attack.

But that President better damn well believe in what he is doing - and be ready to justify his actions.

I mean - should not be the standard operating procedure...

Yep, Warren, don't make it the rule but use it as an extreme exception. No one would blame anyone in that case.

To all my friends on the net. I've cracked the world like a melon. I did today, it's so cool . Please help me when I ask for it.

All the cards flew in the air friends, we have black president, and we love him . We love his kids, we love his wife, we love his wife"s mother.

Everything is up for grabs folks. I mean everything. The only other time I've felt this way was 1967.

It's a really bid ass window.

Shit ... that's "Big Ass Window".

Tony - I love the image of you being a bitch during the primaries and yelling at the folks on tv. That's priceless. Can I come stay with you in 2012 if I promise to shout with you?

The good neighbor explanation that I have heard from many is that gay men keep their homes and yards very well - and of course, mind their own business. You seem to prove that. I've even heard that some
"neighborhoods" actively try to sell to gay men.

My point is that that is the only comment I've ever heard about gays period, that wasn't spoken in a whisper, full of outrage or shock - the kind of stuff that makes me want to roll my eyes.

I woke - up one morning , and the future came in my plate glass window.

It just lands in your lap. You're naked in bed, and there's 3,000 lbs. of idea, with the broken brick and glass.
It is so cool .

I live for new ideas, my life was all about them. When I wasn't a stumbling drunk.

Here's what I've done .............
I have taken a proven design, that other people perfected. And I applied it "Out side the box".
I've changed every food vendors life in sunny place,. All over the world.
We're going to prove it here by June 13 th. I'm building 2 of these things, the second one may help change the 3rd world.

Like I said, 3.000 lbs. of idea, ..... and a bunch of brick & glass.

Chucks rabbits pills ....... it's all Chuck's fault. Those rabbit pills changed my life.

Solar Ovens 101 -
Every one has been designed to help the poor charcol burner, that is say how do we build a small solar oven out of tin foil and card board. The whole world has been thinking about this problem for 40 years.

Wrong place, the street vendor. When they see a street vendor, selling hot food, and not paying a nickle to cook it. No propane, no charcol.
Just the sun shining on a special kind of cart, with wheels and handles. ( Insert light bulb here)

All the plans , all the work we will publish on the net. The day we post the last clip, ..... someone in India can grab the designs.

We will prove my point here at Lubbock this summer, cooking corn we grew for this oven. 100 ears at a time.

Solar Cooked Corn -
Roasted, boiled , and baked in foil.
3 - ways.

Bread -
Larry's new girlfriend was a baker, she also has a Masters in Fine Art.
We will bake all day Thursday ........ 10 15 loaves at a time. Bake all day Friday.
Yum, solar powered bread.

My friends have no idea this is coming.

The really great thing about this , I'm making one for Pogo's Backyard,
and one for a small street vendor in Mecca, or El Paso.
Neither will have to buy a charcoal briquet again. Or buy propane.

I've been busting my ass on this , and we're about to build an oven 30 X 36 , on wheels, that will make 400 degrees by 11:30 A.M. ..... if the sun comes out.
Don't invest any more money in Kingsford Charcoal folks.

I may call it the Obama Bar-B-Que Grill.

Jump into the Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8X6mlbq45k

Screw Obama , I'm namin' it after me.

A guy in Lahor, is about to learn : Colorado Bob

What a fucking hoot.

the cbob -a -que ?

Like I said , screw Obama -

http://cbsolaroven.blogspot.com/

MQW -
Very good. I'm stealing that .... but I always give credit.

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