Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

http://www.cadburyschweppes.com/NR/rdonlyres/45B4E41A-3739-4D08-92BB-6832E518C125/0/YoohooChoc15_5Bot.jpg

good one Sturge! Quite a unique approach. Woke up in a creative mood this morning I see

Unfortunately I think the "Democrats were somehow complicit in a lot of things." When a lot of stones are being thrown, lots of people get hit. Personally I have lost a lot of respect for my party since, and before, this election. It was nice when I was able to think it was all their fault. Not any longer.

C-bob, I woke up in the middle of the night, little insomnia, and caught your thoughts evolving. I was holding my breath for a while. I thought, I hope your asking for our help didn't require planting anything because I am still suffering anxiety over my corn failure. Failure in not an option for me.

I like to focus on those democrats who were not complicit in a lot of things.....the ones who were must face the music and dance along with the chorus line of gops high-stepping in from the wings............

"Everybody's ass is up for grabs."

--Lenny Bruce

Sturge, I guess we are it this morning. TGIF, TGIF.

What would you rather have to plow a field — two strong oxen or 1,024 chickens?

- Seymour Cray

If cassius clay says a mosquito can pull a plow
don't ask, "How?"
Hitch 'im up.

--muhammad ali when he was still cassius

We have a lot of mosquitos down here and for years I have been looking for something they were useful for. Where do I find that hitch? Amazon??

i got an e-mail from this goof i know which claimed that putting Listerine mouth wash in a spray bottle and spraying it around outside would kill and chase off mosquitos........

I have been a victim of that unproven research myself. When microwave ovens first came out a friend called to tell me that you could sterilize underwear in them. After 5 minutes I found a underwear briquet and had to go get all new underwear. Yep, there didn't have any germs anymore.

I'm figuring someone at "Listerine and Co." has grasped some of the implications of Internet Tubes and selling stuff.....I'm going to spray some listerine around, though, as soon as the little bloodsucking creeps start crowding each other for air space around me......

Next time, use the revolutionary "Cbob-a-que.......................

Cook inside the Box

Didn't they used to say that one of the Avon skin lotions was an effective bug repellent?

I think that was Skin So Soft Flatus and I think it does repel something. I just can't remember what.

Didn't they used to say that one of the Avon skin lotions was an effective bug repellent?

Oops, sorry 'bout the double post. My bad.

Thanks Carol. It would be perfect if it combined a sunblock with repellent and skincare and still smelled tolerably good and was affordable.

here's a jingle for his ads when he starts to market it. the logo can be a brilliant hopi blue cob dripping with steaming butter in the foreground with a rising yellow sun in a vibrant orange sky behind (on the deco order of his art poster):

solar cooked corn
roasted in foil

solar cooked corn
boiled in foil

solar cooked corn
baked in foil

cbobs-b-bque

cbob, you said at 1:38 when telling us about that great invention "Please help me when I ask for it".... ask away, the troops are lined up waiting for their orders.

Aunt Clara from Bewitched! That's who Nancy Pelosi reminded me of in her press conference. Aunt Clara from Bewitched.

lol

oops, forgot to say ingle is to the tunee of "jimmy cracked corn"

also the kernal (sorry about that) of cbob's ides can be seen at 3:56 am on yesterday's thread. good stuff before and after tho if you have time to peruse it.

Give that idea to C-Bob Flatus and you can get a bottle free when you purchase a C-Bob-b-que.

"...invite torture probe."

??

This place is on fire this morning. Quick, we need some patents. Is Pogo around? or is it Ping? Who is our attorney here?

well I'm here..... but can't stay.... got a very busy day ahead of me....

YOU GO CBOB!

Craig.... I agree.... be careful what you ask for....

"I'll make up secrets, Jim......just don't give me the hot lead enema............Yeah, if you can take the hot lead enema, then you can cast the first stone."

--Lenny Bruce

"imminent circumstances justify a breaking of the law, e.g. like shooting down a passenger plane headed for the White House."

warren, that is interesting to think about... it's the "imminency" not the efficacy?

In Glynn Co. GA they use skin so soft for no see'ums

the no see'ums here are so big you can see'um.........
they have one stuffed and mounted in the museum......

yeah, sturge, that must have been the one they first water-boarded in a tub of skin-so-soft

the imminency of the obligatory efficacy of the applicability blues is gettin' me down.......

"Aunt Clara from Bewitched."

Perfect, blue!

Jim Hightower on Populism:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-hightower/populism-is-not-a-style_b_203658.html

When I was a young person camping with the YMCA in the Canadian northwoods, we sometimes made cornbread using a reflector oven placed next to our morning campfire (mornings were cold!). This was on our canoe trips that lasted a week or two carrying nothing but what we were willing to carry up to three miles, along with our canoes, as we portaged from lake-to-lake.

The reflector ovens were okay. But thinking about what Bob is doing, I think a couple of additions to his solar cookers for fixed use would be worthwhile.

The ovens themselves should be well insulated. Traditional insulating materials, such as bricks and stone could be used. Also, there should be a heat storage 'pile' that would be superheated during sunlight hours and then vented into the oven when the sun wasn't available.

Seems to me, this type of product could be scaled to a size suited for commercial and institutional use.

I assign any rights in this product to CBob.

What happened

Ultimately, the Populists were undone, not by their boldness, but by leaders who urged them to compromise and merge their aspirations into the Democratic Party. In the presidential election of 1896, the People's Party nominated Democratic candidate, William Jennings Bryan, whose "cross of gold" campaign focused on the "free silver" issue, avoiding the much more appealing structural radicalism of Populism. Outspent five to one, Bryan lost the race to William McKinley, the Republican who was financed and owned by Wall Street.

--hightower

before I start my day.... I want to clarify something...

Bethy.... after reading your posts last night, I realize I chose the wrong phrasing.... I should have said.... many gay men have openly admitted to me that they don't often think about female issues.... I didn't mean to imply that they aren't sympathetic..... as Tony pointed out.... it's because they are so heavily focused on a male world....

and yes.... I believe it applies to all sorts of circumstances...
I live in a 99% white small rural community..... because of that.... I pointed out to Rez one time on this blog that the word "prejudice" brings something immediately to mind much different than it does to him.... a Native American.... as it would bring something entirely different to a black person living in an inner city.....

am I unsympathetic to the plight of inner city blacks..... no.... but I will admit I don't often think about it....

A disconcerting inconsistency re: rollout of the health care photo op emerges--and the perception that something was accomplished will prevail over the emerging reality---that nothing changed.

The American Hospital Association President claims that a deal with the White House to cut the growth
of health care spending has been "spun way away from the original intent".

He now says the 'agreement' was misrepresented---that the 6 groups that stood next to Pres. Obama at
the announcement earlier this week---had agreed to 'gradually ramp up to the 1.5% target over 10 years---
not to reduce spending by that much in each of the 10 years'.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22559.html

Flatus....
my hubby and his best friend took a long canoe trip many years ago.... they were both in their 20s.... Henri makes birch bark canoes.... the author John McPhee came along and wrote a book about it entitled "The Survival of the Bark Canoe".... Rick said that McPhee brought one of those little ovens on the trip while he and Henri cooked on an open fire.... according to them.... that stupid little oven is really lame..... I have no experience with them myself....
the book.... http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Bark-Canoe-John-McPhee/dp/0374516936/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242390224&sr=1-1

Henri's canoes....
http://www.birchbarkcanoe.net/

I do wish news and commentators would stop staying "no one protested at the time". I could not have been the only citizen in the country screaming that the way the administration handled all of the actions after 9/11 was a huge CF.

Now I didn't know about any of the "enhanced" methods of interrogations, but if I had, I would probably be in jail for revealing state secrets.

I would genuinely like to believe that at least a few of the members of Congress who might have heard about these procedures would have at least registered a protest.

Harborwoman -- are you out there? I wanted to ask you a couple of ques,tions about autism.

balecox at aol dot com

Sure feels like the government seams are beginning to unravel. Actually bursting at the seams in some spots. Sunlight on the congressional pus sure creates a nasty, but healing sore. These are either the last days of the infection or it is ready to go septic.

I am feeling very uneasy as well, BlondeW....am trying to stay positive but seeing a lot of weirdness at large.

Good morning.

RR

Skinny Dennis ( Kuchinich) is helping bring a better solar oven to all of us..

http://www.hippygourmet.com/blog/2007/06/hippy-gourmet-at-harmony-festival.html

The ovens have improved greatly in the last few years

I believe Nancy Pelosi is a liability to moving the Obama agenda forward. With regard to torture, she is now the "Double-Speaker of the House." Maybe she and Dick Chaney could take a long vacation somewhere to an undisclosed location.

"Don't" the secret of self-control

jonah lehrer

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/18/090518fa_fact_lehrer

This story is repeated throughout the country...GM is next...

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_12374945

Certain sadness here...the romance with the auto is over....it has poisoned the air we breathe...at one time the auto was blamed for a high birthrate in this country...fewer backseat trysts these day. Sad times, but we still have the bycycle. Not as easy to have sex on bycycle.

"double speaker of the house"

cajo, very good. nancy: she-who-speaks-with-forked-talking papers.

getting pretty crowded down at the tarp trough, soon gonna run out of slops and swill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/14/AR2009051403866.html

btw, always tho't "slops & swill" would be a good name for a bar & grill.... or a comedy team.

First off if nothing is going to happen if guilty to any of these people other than politically then it can wait. At this point it is just a distraction away from the immediate problems with the economy. We didn't send any of them to Washington to fight & bicker among themselves, I would rather they investigate who contributed & who stood by while our economy worsened. This is almost the same thing as far as when did you know? Don't you think that the Washington politicians who knowingly either helped manipulate or stood by with approval the types of practices being used by wall street & the economically important corporations across this country?

Back in 2002, we were beginning to feel the death grip of the Bush dictatorship...too bad Mrs. P. doesn't use that defense...it really did not matter what any dem said at that time. NO ONE questioned. We still spoke in whispers in public about the dictatorship policies. Very many outraged, but outraged in private.

The woman who killed health care:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-15/the-woman-who-killed-health-care/

Thanks for the link, Patsi. Another repug in dem's clothing. Sounds very much like Spector....go dem to win, but keep the repug ideals.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228019

Sturge raises the bar to a whole new level...

An interesting take on the 'effectiveness' of 'enhanced interrogation.'

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/14/iraq.torture/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Also, regarding Blonde's comment, I don't think Pelosi can make that argument. Yes those were dark times, but she was the ranking member of the House Intelligence (sic) Committee, and represents the safest of safe democratic congressional districts. Speaking out, however, might have hurt her chances to achieve her ambition to eventually become minority leader and Speaker.

I had to chuckle at the UND spokesman this morning for referring to the school's stance on approving different graduation speakers as being "intellectually inconsistent" with respect to the school/church's positions on abortion and the death penalty and that of the speaker.

I'm sure UND employs maintenance engineers for their garbage collection too.

Cajunjoe...political ambitions over what is right for America? I am shocked.

it has been my experience that "Skin So Soft" does, in fact, keep mosquitoes from biting me. My family used to sit on the side of a grassy hill and watch the 4th of July fireworks. One year we were eaten to a fair thee well by mosquitoes. The next year someone brought a bottle of Skin So Soft and after slathering it on the exposed parts of our bods, no one in our group reported bites. You Mileage May Differ

"Torture" can be defined as: Listening to Pelosi provide numerous ever changing explanations of what she knew and when she knew it.

Jamie:

"I would genuinely like to believe that at least a few of the members of Congress who might have heard about these procedures would have at least registered a protest."

You shouldn't stop at Congress - what about the American people? This information has been public for awhile now.

You know I am against prosecutions. And one other issue I have with all the pro-prosecution people who are NOW saying that we are a "nation of laws" and that this Country is somehow on the brink of collapse if we do not put someone's head on a platter for employing these techniques.

The fact that this debate has reached a fever pitch in 2009 - instead of 2005 - makes me question some of the categorical and hyperbolic statements made by people that will not be satisfied unless Americans go to jail.

ABC News Article from 2005 - describing everything that people are now freaking out about

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866

OMG

Free Viagra for the jobless ... Now if they offer free birth control, it might be useful.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090514/ap_on_re_us/us_pfizer_free_drugs

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228089

Who cares what Pelosi knew or when she knew it! She wasn't the one authorizing, ordering, or conducting the torture. That line of BS is all a red herring.

Theme song for above Pfeizer news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSwO0aJKHA

Rezdog,

Of course it is a red herring. So why is Pelosi making it the central issue? She is the problem here.

We could also try solar powered refrigeration.

No joe.

The GOP is making it the central issue - because Pelosi gave them an opportunity by having a imprecise recollection of a meetings that took place 6 years ago - for which there was little documentation.

She is doing herself no favors by calling out the CIA. Instead - she should be calling out the GOP - which has done everything in its power to place a target on her head. Just like the Dems do with Cheney and Rush - the GOP picks the person that is most unpopular with their base - and makes them the center of the news cycle.

"the no see'ums here are so big you can see'um...."

.. same here Sturge, and you should see the size of the flies and mosquitos.

I was going to ask if anyone had 'first hand' experience that skin so soft works for insects, but see that Doots has had it work for mosquitos. Anyone else?

CJ,

She defending herself, not putting herself in the center. The GOP is doing that. I don't support her either. if she's complicit, then charge her too.

Rez and CJ

You are absolutely right. Again the Dems are letting the Reps set the terminology.

It isn't who knew what when

it is who did what and who told them to do it

Pelosi has to stop running around with both hands over her butt cheeks and order a full investigation.

CJ and anyone who has spoken up ... Who do you want for the Preakness tomorrow?

Flatus, BW Mine That Bird
XR, Chloe Big Drama
HW, Solar Flying Private
Patd General Quarters
KGC Luv Gov
Ed Vb Musket Man
Rezdog Papa Clem
Warren Take The Points
? Terrain
Jamie Pioneer of the Nile
Ivy Friesan Fire
Renee, Blue, Bethy, ct Rachel Alexander
? Tone It Down

Criag... Your colors are showing on this one... Or are you trying to bait the hook?

To catch Pelosi, Reed and others of the Old Time Old School Dems would be good for the Dem Party to clean it up

Sure Rez - let's put a whole bunch of elected leaders on trial.

That way we can have a bunch of lawyers muddy the water, increase partisan tension to a breaking point - and put a huge obstacle in front of Obama's agenda - during a time when the Democrats have a tremendous capability to actually pass large parts of the Progressive agenda.

"lawyers muddy the waters." What ! Say it ain't so Warren.

I would like a 9/11 style investigation myself.

Chloe,

Virtually any "citrus" smell will help with skeeters. I've gone so far in a pinch as to slice a lemon and rub it on exposed skin. Sticky but effective.

Here are some other "natural" methods

Avoid Bannanas during the mosquito season: Bannanas produce a phermone that mosquitoes go ape over

Avoid sugary drinks because they also attract mosquitoes

Eat citrus. Despite being sweet, citrus does not attract mosquitoes and in fact repels them

Use essential oils' catnip and rosemary

Rez - then we agree.

Well I am all for a 9/11 style investigation - with a stated purpose of getting a comprehensive accounting of what took place and why.

Prosecutions do not necessarily lead to truth. Truth and justice are not the same thing. Prosecutions lead to the 5th Amendment, hyperbole and delay. And there is no guarantee anyone will be held guilty.

Of course, Warren. Great minds you know!

"Charge her" was just my hyperbole to stress my point with CJ

Warren,

I agree. Investigate and fumigate. Unless there is absolute proven criminality (i.e. torturing to death), just get it all out in the open with the understanding that it will never happen again.

Speaking of bananas - Unless scientists solve a major problem, they could be all gone before the end of the next decade.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/jan/16/gm.science

This is the problem you always get at some point with a monoculture.

If we have a bunch of political trials now, you can say goodbye to moving forward on any of Obama's agenda. It will be so divisive and so consuming, nothing else will get done. It will be Watergate squared. If that's your priority, then so be it.

And Rachel Alexander (in a weak field), but sentimentally for Mine That Bird.

Jamie, I linked to that story yesterday. I was waiting for your response!

"It isn't who knew what when
it is who did what and who told them to do it"

jamie, agree, but the perps in this case are acting like "they think their sh*t don't stink"

"Truth Commission" sounds like a frat initiation or something devious. Maybe they could waterboard all of them to get some answers. :~)

Is all this going to dog Obama's administration? Ford thought the Nixon drama would dog his Prseidency, so he pardoned Nixon. What is Obama going to do? BTW Jamie, some people from my Mom's church are going to Nicaragua on a mission trip. My Mom gave my brother-in-law $20 to go to the local drug manufacturer Perrigo to buy various basic medicines for these people that they could use on their trip. My brother-in-law was able to but 30-40 things with this money. Because most basic medicines such as cold medicine and aspirin sell for .50 a bottle at the store Perrigo has at their factory. Pretty much all the medicine that Perrigo makes is generic. It goes to places like Rite-Aid and Walgreen's.

chloe, here's a little blurb from ehow re effectiveness of skin so soft depends on frequent applications... and they talk about methods such as jamie mentioned:

http://www.ehow.com/video_4400330_skin-so-soft-insect-repellent.html

Thanks Jamie. I don't think I can give up the bananas for long, but the citrus I can drink and I love any lotion with lemon or citrus smell. Someone told me that they sell the Skin so Soft at the stores now.... if so, hadnt moticed but will look. Insects love me but I hate them....too many histamines.

Patd, Thanks too.... I'll read that article in a few.

Here I felt sorry for Madonna, when her marriage recently fell apart, and she already has another one lined up and ready to go (supposedly). A 22-year-old..she shouldn't have any problem manipulating him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1181617/Madonna-marry-Singer-plans-Kabbalah-ceremony-toyboy-Jesus-Luz-claims-father.html

... speaking of being off topic, sorry.

oops, I mean watch the video

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228041

sturge, it does have a certain sadomasochistic ring to it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228109

The article was published in 2003 -- gadzooks, we only have four years left for bananas!!

Cutters Skinsations ( a knock off). Good Pat, an alternative.

ivy, not to worry. some scientist right now is probably working on a faux banana.... maybe cross breeding yellow squash with girafffe genes. might not taste so good (like today's commercial tomato) but boy is it big, yellow and have a great shelf life.

... a banana robot, and maybe it won't attract mosquitoes!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228122

patd --

'nanas store well in the freezer. I have a stockpile waiting for "one of these days" when I'll bake banana bread.

Controversy in our house about when to eat your banana - still nearly green or covered in brown spots? Spots lose which is why the freezer is stock-piled. (^_~)

need to send them some of our tm ideas
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/15/manchester-report-climate-solutions

HA! The mosquitoes would soon mutate to absolutely LOVE the new genetically altered bananas, which will also be discovered to be an aphrodisiac for them, while suppressing sex drive in humans -- except for teenagers and those on Spring break.

omg, rodentus rushlimbus!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/15/super-rats-infestations

cajo, mutated skeeters, super rats, and giant bananas will never defeat the powers of a teenager in rut.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228111

Corey,

I missed it, but then yesterday was a mess. The pot hole that swallowed Tacoma got my car so a 10 minute trip turned into a five hour ordeal.

When it comes to bananas in our household, there have always beens two extreme divergent views. If they all go missing tomorrow, my daughter wouldn't notice. My son considers a day without a banana is a day without food. She would only notice the absence of a smell she didn't like and smile. He would suffer.

"Back in 2002, we were beginning to feel the death grip of the Bush dictatorship...too bad Mrs. P. doesn't use that defense...it really did not matter what any dem said at that time. NO ONE questioned. We still spoke in whispers in public about the dictatorship policies. Very many outraged, but outraged in private."

WELL said, Blonde! That's exactly what was going on.

I want them investigated and if the evidence is there prosecuted.

And those who instituted, authorized and carried out War Crimes are found guilty then executed.

I don't want the next evil SOB who gets in the Peoples House to revive these practices because a precedent was set by ignoring what happened and not prosecuting those involved.

The next time it may not be so called enemy combatants, Muslims or Jews. It could be Liberals, Democrats or anyone who would oppose them and their policies, perhaps even you.

If you believe in Our Constitution then you can not ignore the crimes committed or the denigrating of it and all it stands for.

Also I don't care if there Republicans or Democrats all involved must be held accountable.

Besides with all that is known already there will be a lot of the Previous Administration that will end up being tried in the International Court for their War Crimes and they will never be able to set foot out of America for the fear of being arrested and jailed.

Unless were ready for Nuclear War and the whole World being Ruptured there will be nothing we will be able to do to get the International Community to not prosecute and arrest War Criminals from America.

We let Nixon slide and look what we got for it. The same criminals only a lot worse was done to Our Nation because we let Nixon off the hook.

I'm not ready to have that happen again and neither should you or anyone else.

Have a good day.

"OMG Free Viagra for the jobless ... Now if they offer free birth control, it might be useful."

I saw that on the news and damn near fainted, Jamie.

well, must leave this tea party of gentility, they're here with the pills and straight-jacket....
and igor at the lab is calling. so much to do so little time.

A friend recently graduated from Colorado St. Read her academic resume:

She holds a M.S. in Biology from The University of Northern Colorado specializing in Amphibian Toxicology.

A M.S. in Molecular Toxicology from Colorado State Univeristy specializing in Endocrine Disruption.

A P.H.D. in Molecular Biology from Colorado State University specializing in Toxicology and Prion Biology.

She recently joined the USDA National Wildlife Research Center as a Post-Doctoral Researcher.

Free Viagra for the jobless? I guess that will give them a reason to get up in the morning.

Corey,

I could have sworn the punchline was going to be that she missed out on the opening at McDonalds.

Senator Bingaman's response to my relentless emails on health care...

Thank you for contacting me regarding a single payer health care system. I appreciate your taking the time to write.

As you may know, S. 703, the American Health Security Act of 2009, was introduced by Senator Bernard Sanders on March 25, 2009, and was referred to the Committee on Finance. I understand your views regarding a single payer health care system. I agree that we are at a critical point when it comes to our health care system, and that we need to implement major changes. We are finally getting a consensus that this is no longer an issue that can be ignored. Health care should be affordable and accessible to all Americans and this is an area in which Congress can and should do a better job of meeting the needs of the American public. I look forward to working with Congress and President Obama to provide access to quality affordable health care. As a member of both the Finance and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committees, please be assured I will keep your comments in mind as the Senate debates comprehensive health care reform.

Off to work for me....

She's working on Mad Cow disease right now. I just can't imagine being her and having someone ask "So...what are your degrees in?" There's no way I could remember all that!

"Is all this going to dog Obama's administration? Ford thought the Nixon drama would dog his Prseidency, so he pardoned Nixon. What is Obama going to do? "

Corey! You may have just hit on a fabulous answer. What if Obama issued pardons for Bush and Cheney? Can you IMAGINE how pissed those two assholes would be? AND how pissed the right would be? Obama could say just what Ford did -- that putting a former president and his war-criminal--in-chief on trial would be too distracting. LMAO! I think it would be hysterical.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228130

Patsi --

So right you are. We're already forgetting that anybody who said "boo" to Bush got dixie-chicked.

" "So...what are your degrees in?" There's no way I could remember all that!"

Exactly!

There is a local restaurant that allows people to hang up dollars bills all over the restaurant. These dollars are collected from time to time and then given to a charity. Sometimes, people write things or at least write their names on the dollar bills. I was looking at a dollar bill yesterday that was pinned on the wall right next to me. Something was written on it. I kid you not, this is what was written on it: "I Miss George Bush".

Corey,

It was from John Yu

I'm sorry, YOO

Yoo who?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228142

Corey, I believe it. I'm seeing a NEW bumper sticker in town..."Thank you, President Bush." I almost wrecked in the Publix parking lot. Thanks, but no thanks.

"got dixie-chicked."

I like that Ivy. Probably not a first but the first I've seen it. Looks like a good one for the political lexicon.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228147

Rez -- I had never googled it until now, but it looks like Drudge gets the credit.

http://www.dixiechicked.com/

"We're already forgetting that anybody who said "boo" to Bush got dixie-chicked. "

Yes indeed. I'll never get over that. It was a national disgrace. Clear Channel is owned by a Bush cronie and he put the order out -- don't play their music. Bush sneered when asked about them and said they should know that there were consequences. ASSHAT!

They were steamrolling their CDs in Clear Channel parking lots. I spent several days calling those stations and bitching because she single they had out right then was about a dead soldier from the Vietnam war! But it was all coming from the top. From the Bush bunch.

PS -- I don't know who said Dixie-Chicked first -- but in Nashville it was a byword for what the right wing did to people.

"'nanas store well in the freezer."

Ivy, With or without the skin?

peel I mean

Wow anon-p - way to live up to your screen name.

Executed?

I don't share your doomsday view if government officials are not sent to the slammer.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228151

Chloe --

No skin. Store in a ziplox freezer bag.

Now we get to discuss which direction to peel a banana. From the stem side or the bottom? I read a tip that from the bottom is how apes do it and you don't get those stringy-thingys. I don't really see a difference myself.

OK, now the Right is really starting to piss me off with how overboard they are going on this Pelosi thing.

http://thepage.time.com/more-from-gingrich-on-pelosis-knowledge-of-interrogation-techniques/

"I think she has lied to the House, and I think that the House has an absolute obligation to open an inquiry, and I hope there will be a resolution to investigate her. And I think this is a big deal. I don't think the Speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters."

Really Newt - how bout the Vice President lying to get us into a war with Iraq?

Seems a bit of a bigger deal than Pelosi - possibly - forgetting what she heard in a meeting more than 6 years ago.

Well, afternoon from the city of brotherly love.

Yes, investigate. Yes.

Can't really hang around - I do actually have work to do, but I heard this put pretty well yesterday - it comes down at this point to a matter of trust. On the one side is Bush and Cheney and the CIA, on the other side is Pelosi. Who do you trust. It's a no brainer for me. What I don't understand is what the hell difference it makes if Pelosi was present at a briefing and they did explain in detail what torture methods had been employed and she did not object? That doesn't make the methods any less illegal, and it doesn't mean that the cabal was going to stop using them because a representative from California wrote a letter objecting. This is purely and simply a distraction from the real issue, which is that the cabal sought and got a trumpted up memo saying they could torture terror suspects - they just couldn't call it torture. It was, and the truth commission should go forward and the photos should be released and we should put this behind us. At least that's how I see it.

And I can't imagine what the texture of a banana that has been frozen would be.

As in Mrs. Doubtfire, consider this a drive by fruiting.

Bye now.

Posted by: warren Author Profile Page | May 15, 2009 12:21 PM
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I'd like to associate myself with these remarks.

"Really Newt - how bout the Vice President lying to get us into a war with Iraq?

Seems a bit of a bigger deal than Pelosi - possibly - forgetting what she heard in a meeting more than 6 years ago."

pogo:

"it comes down at this point to a matter of trust"

On the Hill, it seems more about - based on my own political agenda, who do I blindly support and who do I blindly attack.

Consider yourself associated!!

Yes, warren. Yes indeed. Lessee, who was the speaker of the house in 2002? That would have been Denny Hastert, correct? I can't recall him saying anything about torture, enhanced interrogation or the like - I imagine that's because members are prohibited from revealing CIA briefings perhaps? Just saying. Now I AM gone.

ok, ok one more while i piss time away -

On the Hill, it seems more about - based on my own political agenda, who do I blindly support and who do I blindly attack.

Or whose ass am I going to try and cover and whose goatr am I goning totry and get?

Alright all you healthcare advocates . . . meet the opposition:

Beware the ‘Public Option’
How not to reform American health care.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2JiZWM5NDc0MGI4MjlmZjczYTI2NjgwYjNjZThiZDQ=

I'm brushing up on Douglas Adams quotes for a blog article and just found this one

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. "

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228163

Pogo --

We're starting to doubt...is you is, or is you ain't? You know, it only takes 99% of lawyers to give the other 1% a bad name... (^_~)

Here's one for Craig

I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.

Ivy, doubt - doubt?? Isn't getting goats and covering asses what we lawyers do for a living? I'd think that would confirm it's me and remove any doubt.

Ivy, I meant to say, greetings from the swamp.

pogo.......ever have to choose between goring an ox or getting a goat?

I think Mike Murphy is one of the more effective operatives of the GOP.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1898357-1,00.html

sturg, normally I just end up screwing the pooch.

well......as long as you don't jump the shark.........oh......you ARE the shark.............

Never mind.

KGC -- Warren isalways a good person to associate with....:)

ba-dump bump, chiiiing

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228172

Pogo

There is something really fishy about that statement.

jamie - in the words of that reknowned philosopher, sturg, "ba-dump bump, chiiiing."

OK, time to fish or cut bait - cutting bait.

pogo has gotten his bass outa here........

he's hauled bass......

That's a Moray
Clam Every Mountain
It Haddock Be You
Sturgeon, Sturgeon For My Baby
Kelp!
When You Fish Upon A Star
Shark! the Herald Angels Sing
Fiddler Crab On The Roof

from the fish pun website

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228169

Pogo --

How about greetings TO the swamp?!

The guy who's been painting my house exterior just came in to report he saw a poisonous-like snake. Maybe a copperhead or water moccasin...it slithered away into rock wall just as he was about to snap a photo. I need to consider a possible next step because my dogs frequent that area. Help, anyone??

Ivy,
Where do you live?

CaJoe --

Outside Birmingham near the Cahaba River.

Harborwoman - forgot to say Welcome Back to you - been a long time.

Ivy,

There seem to be a fair number of resources on the web if you do a google search on something like "how to keep poisonous snakes out of your yard."

Here's one
http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2277.htm

You might also try the local Ag-Extension service or try Auburn University.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228172

there are laws against this in many states Pogo. I would not tell everything you know. :)

just a moment of sniping ...

If it was a mocasin it would have been a very small one to confuse it with a copperhead - either that or a BIG copperhead. Nest step - step away. It could be a water snake, there are some down there that resemble copperheads and moccasins. Ask the snake to open its mouth - if it's got a couple of longish teeth - it could be either -if it's white inside it's probably a moccasin. If it refuses to comply, leave it the hell alone - and realize that there are more out there than you'll ever see.

Ivy, btw, I used to teach a beginning whitewater canoe course on the Cahaba River - convenient since there ain't much whitewater on the Cahaba - and learned to paddle a kayak there.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228191

CaJoe --

Thanks for that. I will surely be spending some homework time on this over the next hours and days. Me no like poison snakes.

K.C., my painter guy, and I just pored over Internet mug shots of likely candidates and this is the one he fingered. K.C. is a pet-snake keeper as was revealed, so I also got to learn about blood pythons.

http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/biomes/images/deciduous/copperheads_5968.jpg

All and I mean ALL the veterinarians in this locale are Auburn grads. AU turns out the best. Specialists travel up from the school every day for various weekly clinics...every veterinary specialty you can imagine.

Pogo,
One thing you forgot, which is pretty reliable, is that if the bite marks show just one or two bite holes, it's probably poisonous. If there are multiple teeth marks it's probably not.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228196

Pogo --

I recall you sharing that...you know this is peak Cahaba Lily time...tell me you've seen them...I have yet to see them, but this is going to be my year... even if I have to endure the West Blocton Cahaba Lily Festival and the crowning of Miss Cahaba Lily. (^_~)

http://www.cahabalily.com/CahabaLilyFestival.htm

You Georgians and South Carolinians can see them too under the name of Shoal Lily.

Hurry, Georgia, it's tomorrow...

http://www.exploregeorgia.org/Event/Overview/1601682/Shoal-Lily-Float

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228198

CaJoe --

I will try not to wait to get bit. (^_~)

Good thinking there, Ivy. Besides, this is not 100% reliable.

One other thing -- if your dogs seem to be barking at nothing at all outside, pay attention to 'em.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228196

Pogo --

There is a small spot of whitewater near us, very picturesque but it looks shallow. I have not waded out there.

How to Identify a Venomous Snake
http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Venomous-Snake

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I'm thinking I might report it to the community association ("yard nazis") the ones who usually spend their time policing garden ornaments. Neighborhood kids play in the creek every day. Parents should be alerted. As a kid, I remember being called away from "the crick" whenever snakes were spotted.

Ivy

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228202

I have seen them - we taught courses in the spring (lilies) summer and fall. They are lovely - can't say I would necessarily say the same about Miss Cahaba Lilly without photographic proof. Of course I've seen more kudzzu and poison ivy than chaba lillies, but who could have guessed that? ;-)

http://www.cahabariver.net/lily.htm

The Cahaba lilly.

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Pogo --

I'm jealous. But this is my year. Each flower blooms only one day.

Pit vipers in Alabama...who knew?

http://www.outdooralabama.com/watchable-wildlife/what/Reptiles/Snakes/c.cfm

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Pogo --

On second thought, beauty pageantry is a profession down here...we could both be missing our guess about Miss Cahaba Lily.

The only snakes I really don't want to meet up with are cobras and bushmasters.

I certainly wouldn't want to invite a "torture probe." Sounds uncomfortable!! (pun intended ; )

Victory for Hillary?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Hillarys_victory.html#comments

Ivy, all 3 pit vipers (or at least one representative of each of the 3 families of pit vipers in the US are in AL) Only the rattlers warn you.

Flatus - stay in the US and stay away from zoos and you should be safe. :-)

4 poisonous snakes in the US

Coral red and yellow rings touch each other

Rattlesnake

Water moccasin

Copperhead

all 4 live in the confines of Texas.

and there's a king snake which is almost a dead ringer for the coral snake........same colors, different order or something....

a crawlin' king snake........

red touch yellow, kill a fellow, red touch black friend of jack.

And, fatalities from the bite of Coral Snakes in the United States are exceedingly rare.

HD, same thing in 'Bama - all 3 pit vipers plus the coral snake, although it is pretty rare from what I understand.

Here we only have timber rattlers and copperheads - hardly worth worrying about.

yup, the coral snake is a very small guy. needs to sorta chew on you to make a difference.

Pogo the Boy Scouts here said this,

"Red and yellow, kill a fellow
Red and black poison lack"

I knew a kid at a boy scout camp that found a coral and picked it up and put it in his coat pocket. then at dinner he pulled it out and started to show everyone. One of the camp leaders saw the snake and took it away from the boy. No one was hurt including the snake.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228231

A mnemonic device? Can that also be used as a torture probe?

yeah, I've heard that - i kinda liked the "jack" version. I can only swear to have seen one in the wild in my lifetime - in a shelter in the everglades, and it was trying to get away from us as fast as it could.

And, while not a snake, let's not forget our other friend, the Gila Monster.

http://www.cahabariver.net/lily.htm

Ivy, if repeated long enough, you bet.

here Diamondbacks can be several feet long. then there are sidewinders that are more in the desert southwest. When I was a kid where we lived on the edge of town was a snake haven. Lots of construction going on then. Lots of brush piled up. everything you need for a snake.

I met a guy once whose family had a ranch outside of town. For some reason rattlers were particularly drawn to the underside of the ranch house. They did everything they could think of to rid the area of snakes. Finally the family kept a shotgun at every door and you had to look out the window to make see if the guy was needed. They hired a guy several times to crawl under the house and remove the snakes. He used the skins to make belts and hat bands and guitar straps. I talked to him once after his first trip under the house. All he had was a sack and a high powered light. I asked him what the light did and if it paralyzed them or something. He said no it just made it easier to see the snakes. The house eventually burned to the ground from an electrical storm.

"Lightning snaked across the sky and evened the score."

HD, here they hold them and pass them around at church services. I avoid those churches.

crawling around under the house to get the snakes
out ? now thats the kind of guy we need in washington

Just to be on the safe side, Pogo, better avoid ALL churches.

LOL nice

I was sorta glad the house was gone to tell the truth. The family had moved into town and it was kinda in poor condition. None of the kids wanted to live there any more. The ranch was final sold and there are a zillion houses on the land now. I hope what snakes were left after the fire moved on.

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Horsedoot --

What part of Texas is that in?

I've never been an admirer of Nancy Pelosi, but after listing to former Sen. Bob Graham today, I think she may actually be telling the truth..finally..

Those GOP folks ought to be called Grand Old Psychotics....especially since they've cooked up "Democrat Socialist" Party.

They're flailing around wildly like the cretins they really are. That is if cretins flail. Well, that's an insult to cretins everywhere. I apologize.

I....really....hate....those....folks. I think C-Bob and I are on the same page with that.

tt

cj, whenever i'm in church it's at the behest of Mrs. P and LP - I really couldn't care less. I went for roughly 30 years without darkening the door of a church except to get married (first time - I shoulda known - and not with my mom, btw) and Easter with my mom.

I hope you all have a wonderful weekend, avoiding all venomous creatures, including snakes, gila monsters, brown recluse spiders, preachers and politicians.

"Lightning snaked across the sky and evened the score."

*L*

tt

Whoa -- I was just starting work with a singer in Las Vegas and when I was outside smoking I saw a snake about a foot or so long -- red and black...and I thought it must have been a baby. She about freaked....now I guess I know why.

Back in the 40s, my dad always carried a gun on the tractor because SW Kansas was filled with rattlesnakes. He kept a huge bullsnake close to the house to keep 'em away.

Pogo,

If you are still around--your valiant effort to refute the WSJ absolute priority rule claim is validated--naturally-- by some pretty knowledgable bankruptcy profs.

"Chrysler & 363 Sales, Again"

"Two leading bankruptcy professors are out with new critiques of the pending Chrysler sale motion. Todd
Zywicki argues that the President violated thre rule of law by promoting a plan that violates the absolute priority rule, because the union will recover more of its claim than the senior lenders. Mark Roe makes a more nuanced point that the sales procedures in place all but preclude competitive bids for Chrysler assets.

The absolute priority point with regard to the union's recovery strikes me as a red herring, in this case wrapped up in some overheated language that compares the President to Hugo Chavez. Whatever."

http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2009/05/chrysler-363-sales-again.html#comments

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/business/16auto.html?hp

GM follows Chrysler's lead, sort of. Closing 1100 dealers October 2010.

Thanks Coreen - very little is absolute in bankruptcy, no?

And just where do you intend to stick that "torture probe"?!?

If a tree product falls in San Francisco, does it make a sound?

Everyone has an opinion about the supposedly dying newspaper industry, including Gavin Newsom. The SF leader turned gubernatorial candidate/media pundit apparently told The Economist if the Chronicle were to fold, "People under 30 won't even notice." (Tip to SF Business Times)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?entry_id=40177&tsp=1
this is the candidate who cannot win and announced his campaign on twitter

My painting guy had his talk radio on while painting and snake-hunting. I couldn't help but overhear some of today's right-wing rants.

So, I'm confused. I can't see how or why it's a bigger deal that the Speaker's possible knowledge whether CIA employees tortured, or might be getting ready to torture, and if she should-or-should-not have ratted them out, than the CIA or whoever it was that did-or-did-not do the dirty deeds, or were getting ready to do the dirty deeds...and why this is the main right-wing rant instead of a discussion about the duty of the dirty-deed doers to stop or rat-out themselves?

True in most instances, Pogo--whether the law or in life.

And here's something for any conspiracy buffs to consider:

"Shadowy Bilderberg group meet in Greece--and here's their address."

And just for fun---"U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's public schedule is mysteriously empty for the next two days" Could he be an attendee?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6283373.ece

Ivy,

right out side of Fort Worth to the south is where that house used to be. Sorta rolling hills and great cow country. Now right across the street is a aircraft museum. Mostly war planes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228252

I think Peacocks will attack rattlers also. I see them sometimes out in a pasture with sheep. I think donkeys work also. Leastwise I have heard that.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228241

Ha lol I know a doctor that used to live in Birmingham that met some of those guys and was able to photograph some of them. Mostly he hung out at a place in North Alabama called Coon Dog Hill. He even bought a few dogs and sold a few. Had a great show out of those guys.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228260

Horsedoot -

It crossed my mind your reply might come back, "Texas? What made you assume it was Texas?" But from my own years in Texas, I learned to do as Texans do. Whenever there is doubt about some locale, no matter where in the world it might turn out to be, it was always okay to start by asking, "What part of Texas is that in?"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/video-trail-mix-cheney-brings.html#comment-228005

"Tony - I love the image of you being a bitch during the primaries and yelling at the folks on tv. That's priceless. Can I come stay with you in 2012 if I promise to shout with you?"

Bethy
You sure can!! I have plenty of room...HA, maybe we can get Patsi to come along just to keep us a little bit in line...The great thing is we could never be bored cause there's so many to shout at....

best use of twitter
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090515/ARTICLES/905159949/1350?Title=Foodies-flock-to-Twitter-savvy-food-trucks

Horsedooty,
I think you're right about peacocks. They also make excellent 'watchdogs.' I also think hogs will keep em away as well, but don't know if having hogs in your back yard is actually preferable to having a couple of snakes.

And king snakes and black snakes keep the poisonous ones away.

"What part of Texas is that in?"

got a friend in Burleson who loved to use that one.....he taught me "Foat Wurf"..............

he's a drummer......spent some time with Teddy and the Tall Tops, one I know of......and Rob Dixon......

pigs are great......I'd love to have a few in the back yard.....if i had a back yard......

Horsedooty,

I am looking into my crystal ball its making a wild prediction...I bet you not only know who Roger McGuinn is, but you're a fan.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228241

you can never insult a Texan by asking where in Texas is that. That is for sure.

My fishing buddy Hoot Al and his wife Rodeo Kate raise show goats. They have a couple of big white dogs that live in the field with the goats to protect them. French breed of some sort. The other day I was up at their rancho and Hoot Al is about 6'2" or 3". One of the dogs stood on his back legs and looked Hoot Al in the face and gave him a mighty lick. However, he was giving me the evil eye and I stayed away.

" we can get Patsi to come along "

Count me in, Tony!

"Roger McGuinn had a twelve string guitar, it was like nothing I'd ever seen..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQL34t0U1Qw

"And in Texas they still talk of outlaws..."

Aren't there a lot of snakes in D.C. and on Wall Street?

You got it, Patsi. My lord, can he play a twelve.

Horsedooty,

I am looking into my crystal ball its making a wild prediction...I bet you not only know who Roger McGuinn is, but you're a fan.

yup, I do know who Roger McGuinn is. I have not heard much of him in a lot of years. I was just looking at the Wiki entry for Roger and there is only one mention of Clarence White as a Byrds member and player on Sweethearts of the Rodeo. I think Clarence White was one of the greatest flat top pickers to come out of that era. He was killed by a drunk driver while he was loading equipment in his car after a gig in about 1973. He was sort of the same kind of player as Doc Watson but on the West Coast and Doc was on the East Coast.

Have a beer on me, Horse.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/05/gop-tactics-invite-torture-pro.html#comment-228274

"you can never insult a Texan by asking where in Texas is that. That is for sure."

Exactly. You can only make yourself look bad by thinking there's anyplace else.

Patsi,

when Hoot Al was working for United Artist, he knew David Allen Coe. We were talking about him a couple of weeks ago and Hoot said Coe was very unsophisticated when it came to a large sum of money. Hoot said he helped Coe open a checking account for the signing bonus he got so he could have money out on the road.

Corey,

There ARE snakes in D.C. but they don't bother anybody -- professional courtesy, you know.

http://www.marshall.edu/library/speccoll/virtual_museum/buffalo_creek/html/

buffalo creek, west va. flood disaster 1972

some place else???? surely you jest. :)

Well, Horse and Ivy, it's also been known as 'baja Oklahoma."

Thanks CJ I quit drinking about the time I quit smoking. I am now an old fuddy duddy. I guess I could have a virtual beer.

fyi,

Posted some pix and a blue corn update.

http://cbhopibluecornexperiment.blogspot.com/

There you go with that 'old' stuff again, Horse. Sounds like you're taking care of yourself.

did you read that book or see the TV show CJ (Baja Oklahoma)? The guy that wrote that is Dan Jenkins. Fort Worth native. He use to write sports for a now defunct daily newspaper called the Ft Worth Press. Then he got big time and went to Sports Illustrated and NYC. Then he wrote "Dead Solid Perfect". It all changed after that. His wife opened a Mexican restaurant here called Juanita's. It did not last too long as it was a pretty high end restaurant and there was a lot of competition plus the service sucked.

Didn't read the book or see the TV show, but I do remember Dan Jenkins. He was a good writer.

And, while I kid about Texas, my son and his wife would like to settle in Ft. Worth after they finish moving around for job purposes. He lived there for awhile and worked as an engineer on the building of the new Cowboy's football stadium.

is Jose Martin's restaurant still there in Ft. Worth?

hell, I kid about Texas. They are about to finish that thing. It is huge.

don't you live in North Louisiana CJ? I seem to think I remembered that.

Currently, I'm living in the DC area, Horse.

(Duck and Cover, Joe)

Jose Martins is one that has escaped me.

are you thinking about this place?

http://www.joets.com/

Joe T. Garcia's?

oh ok I guess the cajunjoe moniker threw me off.

I used to know a guy that worked for the Smithsonian Museum. He had some inoperable cancer and died several years ago.

Moniker is accurate, just geographically challenged. (Although, many Acadians settled in Maryland before they kicked most of em out too.)

well, speaking of food I need to go clean up and go forage around town to see what I can find to eat. Wife is working at the Texas Rangers vs Angles baseball game tonight so I am on my on. Big game this early in the season. The Rangers are a game and a half ahead of the Angles in first place in the AL West. The Angles are in second and we would like to keep them there.

It's always a pleasure talking with you, Horsedooty.

Acadians and Cajuns are the same right? Where does the term "Coon Ass" fit? Isn't that a term of endearment for Cajuns?

you too CJ Pleasure is all mine.

Some might say, Horse. Kinda like Texican

CaJoe - Horsedoot --

There was never a shortage of Cajuns in my part of Texas, but maybe that has changed. Don't know about Maryland, but plenty of Cajuns were situated in New England, including my bff's mom from New Hampshire whose first language was French ("pidgin french," we razzed her, not real French...kids can be mean.)

Cable out all day. Anybody miss me? :-)

Well, like Horse, I gotta go get dinner ready. In my case for my wife who is going to be home soon and expecting something to eat. One true thing about Cajun culture is we know good food, love it, and know how to cook it. Best to you all. It's been a friendly place tonight.

Thanks, Craig.

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Jamie --

Yes, we needed you in the snake discussion...glad you're back in business!

Doots -- that doesn't surprise me about DAC.

Reading without being in on the conversation can lead to some interesting stray thoughts

"'nanas store well in the freezer."
Ivy, With or without the skin?

First thought: Who bumped off grandma?

Two snake stories. Spent a summer in Tucson as a teen and to escape the heat, we would head for the hills to swim with the water snakes or go cave climbing stepping gingerly by the rattlers. One day we came back stopping at a market to find that a rattler had made the ride down on an axle and was now one very dizzy PO'd snake looking for anything to bit. The boys pulled out their rifle and ended his temper tantrum.

When I was married they cleared land behind our housing development to build a new sub division. Our neighborhood was absolutely swamped in field mice. I don't like killing cute, fuzzy animals but mice running across my kitchen counters wasn't wonderful either. Went to pet store. Bought king snake. Set loose under house. The mice packed up and moved.

Good Deed Alert:

You've got all your CDs on your IPod or computer - Send them to a new home

http://tunes4thetroops.org/participate.htm

as i remember, jose martin's was in a white wood frame non-descript bldg and they did true mexican, not southwestern food.....

but i dont see it in googler so it's either closed or really Joe t garcia's......just dont remember it's being that nicely laid out...

I have never been a fan of Pelosi. I think that is because like most Americans, I get frustrated with partisanship.

But to her defense - I think being a rabid partisan is kind of in her job description as Speaker of the House.

It seems that the job has been defined - rightly or wrongly - as the Partisan-in-Chief and it is her mission to point out ALL the flaws of the opposition - whether they be real or imagined.

This is why Pelosi is popular in the party and the main target of the opposition. She is on the front lines. (And it is inevitable that you will be tripped up if you have the right-wing attack machine putting the full court press on you.)

Her resignation was never likely - and the GOP sealed the deal when they called for it.

Again, the Republicans are playing checkers. They immediately assert their endgame and eliminate the possibility that their opponent (be it the Democrats, Saddam or Iran) - can aquiesce to their demands and still save face.

That is an amateur move that gets you nothing but bluster. It also artificially postpones compromise.

But the Republican party should be careful what they wish for. I think the Dems could have a more effective Speaker...

Nancy has paid her dues and fought the good fight against Bush/Cheney and saw a Democratic Phoneix of political power emerge out of the ashes and tears of the 2000 election.

And she has the scars to prove it. Like I said - I don't think there is anything afoot in the near term. Especially since the Dems are now required to stare down the GOP's demand. But I suspect the scouts are out looking for potential (they always are).

The Democrats and Republicans are playing the same game. But Cheney and Rush over in the "do as we say not as we do" party have the advantage of a cadre of true believers. That 15-20% offers unwavering support and relentless attack on the opposition.

The point is - these arguments stir up each party's base, turn off their party's opposition - and do little to move the debate forward.

Ironically, by dragging their feet - the government has allowed the "torture debate" to unfold in the worst possible setting - the media and the Hill. That will get us a lot of name calling, gotcha politics and misinformation - but not the truth.

Especially with a nuanced and complex issue as this.

And most of the actual truth uncovered will be muddied up with an equal or greater part of bullshit. I mean neither the press nor politicians play by any rules (at least ones that certain members of each tribe aren't willing to break). The former looks to sensationalize and the latter is seeks re-election or self-agrandizement (which often go hand-in-hand.)

In that forum - there is no structure and no end game. And the two sides just fight it out in the manner of mutually-assured destruction. Ultimate death match 24/7.

Obama, Congress or the Justice Office needs to lay down a frame-work and a time-table as to how we are going to deal with the "torture issue."

If it is swept underneath the rug - the floor is going to drop out. And the media ain't going to let it lie anyways.

must be garcia's.......the pictures of the outside look like i remember...............

i think the dems actually have it all under control.......the gop sheep are just bleating at the moon..........

Obviously my brain was affected by the computer deprivation. On a right wing web site I see an ad for:

"Emergency Crank Radio - "

First Thought: Rush Limbaugh Pod Casts?

btw, I really like Pat B. I know he is ultra-conservative - but he calls em like he sees em. Today he was on Hardball giving some honest praise of the Obama administration.

He is a patriot before he is a partisan and he called out the Bush/Cheney administration on a regular basis.

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Jamie -- just sent another 'nana to the deep freeze. Skin went to the compost, so none of her went to waste.

(^_~)

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Ivy,

Just keep recycling until she reaches Nirvana

"Skin went to the compost"

Ivy,

My horses will eat the banana peels.... they prefer the whole banana, but will settle for the skin (as well as the rinds from our cantaloupes and watermelons and orange peels). Actually, there's no part of any fruit they don't love. Never anything left over around here. What they won't eat, the dogs will.

Have a good evening all. It's almost time for Bill Mahar

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Joe T's has evolved over the years. Last time I went there you had to enter through the kitchen but I think the Health Dept made them quit that.

It is pretty good not my favorite. That would be Benito's Lots of Mexicans eat there.

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Many years ago I had a neighbor that kept snakes. When he graduated from TCU he got a job teaching art in Az.. Neither he or his wife had ever driven one of those bob tail rental trucks so they hired me to help them move out to Bisbee, AZ. The day we moved everything in to the house we were joined by some of the neighborhood kids asking questions like kids do. One of the snake sacks was on a table and when it moved it caught one of the kids attention. Manny opened the sack and pretty soon the snake poked his head out of the sack. I have never in my life seen kids vacate a house any quicker than that day. Pretty soon a few parents were knocking on the door wanting to be assured that these really weren't snakes or if they were they were harmless. Pretty funny.

The Republicans are in a leaky boat full of holes that is sinking, but the best they can do is drag someone else into it so they at least don't have to drown alone.

Sorry, but if I'm not sure re a snake, I'm not gettin' close enough to check out the shapes of its pupils etc.

What I was always told was that the head of a poisonous snake is relatively triangular, or arrowhead shape. Also those pits under their eyes are pretty visible.

Many many years ago, my dad's younger brother brought over a pillow case with a snake in it. He assured my dad it was not poisonous. My dad almost put his hand into the case to take it out, but decided to pour the snake out instead. Of course, it was a copperhead, and my dad quickly got a pistol and killed it.

I'm sure that Missouri has plenty of those poisonous snakes with the exception of the corals - lotsa wild country there.

In our area here, once the tall grass is cut, the ground is dry and baked in the sun. I always alert for rattlers and dread the kids or dogs being too curious.

Okay, Tony and Patsi, it's a date! Anyone else? 2012 at Tony's place!

Season ender of Numbers is on tonight, and after last week's, I'm very nervous. I hope they don't screw up the show.

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Good post, Bethy. A person who can steady, aim, shoot, and hit a mark as small and slithery as a venomous snake has my admiration. I guess your dad was the smart one in the family and his brother was not?

Well, Ivy - my dad was the eldest of nine, and his brother was second youngest. My dad was used to being in charge and I think my uncle was just kinda brash - the two of them ended up being the best of friends of any of the siblings. Their comedy routine played on their respective roles in the family line up.

On the other side, my maternal grandfather hated snakes, just hated them, but when we went to the zoo, he would always head toward the reptile house, and keep staring at the snakes. When my little sister asked him why he kept looking at them if he was so scared of them, he said, "I can't help it. Damn things fascinate me." He was dead serious which just made it funnier.

He also told us one time that he had seen Geronimo in a Wild West Show once. We were so entranced with Tonto that we gasped, "Grandpa, what was he like?"
His answer was, "He was a mean lookin' son of a bitch."

Geronimo's pix sure shows that, but I can't help wondering if maybe there was a lot more to him. He surely believed in his people and their way of life.

The sure fire way to discover whether or not waterboarding, compression, striking, incessant loud grunge 'music', sleep deprivation, enforced rigidity, sensory deprivation, solitary confinement, and threats of animal attacks (dogs are old hat, so let's try rats, snakes, hornets, and/or piranhas) are torture, and effective for discovering secrets, is to try them out on folks who say they aren't torture, but are effective. That way we can see if they recant on one or both assertions.

Simultaneously, we could use the techniques to discover :
1. if baby bush was involved in any way with a bremmer and the attempted May 1972 assassination of george wallace in Silver Spring MD, when george was AWOL from the AL Air Guard,
2. if senile bush met with the ayatollah's agent in 1979 to sabotage US attempts to release the embssy hostages,
3. what really happened with that cocaine arrest, and the court records?
4. who dick cheney invited to formulate US energy policy in 2001, and what their recommendations were, besides saying that the price of oil was too low,
5. when the bush crime family first began discussing the second Iraq invasion, when the decision was made and for what purpose,
6. Whose idea was it to end regulation of the banking, and what purpose was served by the decision to do so,
7, who or what baby bush actually worships, and does Jesus REALLY come and chat with him at the witching hour ?
8. what all the bush crime family members actually think about 'enhanced interrogation', having now had a taste of it. This means, do they still think it isn't torture?
By keeping every bush employee from george tenet and dumsfeld, to turdflour and fleischer, to pbremmer and prettyboy hadley, in isolation so that they cannot communicate, and by continuing to use the techniques several times a day until everyone agrees about all the answers, we should be able to come up with the answer to question 8 by sometime in 2016 - but only if we begin immediately, and if they all live to see that date.

Oh ya, and who came up with the "Hillary murdered Vince Foster" calumny, and who funded the propagation of the lie.

falling asleep at the keyboard. Can't stop yawning...........................................................

Letter to the editor in today's New York Times:

Taming Runaway Health Care Costs
To the Editor:

David Leonhardt, in his May 13 column (“Health Care, a Lesson in Pain,” Economic Scene), is quite right that “the only way to have a sustainable universal health care system is to control costs.” But in analyzing the experts’ testimony before the Senate Finance Committee on how to pay for health care, he did not mention a solution that neither the experts nor the committee wants to consider: major reform of the system.

Runaway costs are due largely to high overhead expenses throughout the system, and to the excessive use of expensive technology. Both of these result from a health care system that is organized like a profit-seeking industry instead of a social service.

If we want health care to be a universal entitlement, it cannot be controlled by market forces and the financial interests of insurers and providers (and the investors who own such a large part of the system).

Some kind of government-regulated single-payer insurance plan and a reorganized nonprofit medical care delivery system may be “off the table” for policy makers right now, but we will never achieve affordable universal coverage without major reform that deals with the real causes of medical inflation.

We don’t need more money; we need a new system.

Arnold S. Relman
Marcia Angell
Cambridge, Mass., May 14, 2009

The writers, medical doctors, are former editors in chief of The New England Journal of Medicine.

Good mornin Ms Patsi, Turned out to be quite a phalic day yesterday with all that talk about snakes. Snakes and politics seems to go well together.

Was tied up last evening. One of my nurses who left our third world country, work every other weekend environment to go back to her sterile, high tech cardiovascular surgery, get every weekend off environment came out to owl camp to visit yesterday evening. I can tell she misses us.

"health care system that is organized like a profit-seeking industry"

patsi, seems that's also to some degree what caused the demise of the postal system, passenger rail system, public school system.... the expectation that these substructures necessary to the common good should pay for themselves. privatization of the prison system, military support, water supply etc. are similar manifestations of this slide on the same slippery slope toward who knows where.

Ya know, my little joint is a pretty good example of what you can accomplish on the cheap with a limited formulary. We get things from the streets that looked like somethin the cat dragged in and we set them back out looking pretty good.

I have often told the big guys there that if they want to get rid of some of these people, just set them back out and they'll surely die because they had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. .

Of course I accomplish some of it with a lot of praying. Please God help me out here. It's real cheap but effective.

Having a captive audience also helps. I can keep a close eye on them. It kicks up compliance.

dooty, yes indeed donkeys do make good guard "dogs" and so do geese. they also provide good cheap transportation; however, donkey carts are a lot roomier than goose carts and it's hell trying to put the tack on those little honkers.

ct, good morning! didn't mean to be so impolite but got caught up in reviewing last night's conversations.

Those geese can be pretty mean also Pat. A couple chased my sister when she went for a walk down the road. I didn't tell her I paid them to do it.

I escaped the fangs of a cobra with my handgun. We were off the road in Vietnam outside of Pleiku looking for abandoned ammunition. We were in our Jeep when all of a sudden a cobra raises up on me.

My driver decided to try to run the thing down.

I drew my revolver, aimed at the driver, and we escaped.

Well it's the big race day. I hope my girl got her beauty sleep last night. Having to compete agains't all those boys with their testosterone does seem like it would put her at a disadvantage. Are most of the guys fixed?

I didn't realize Jess Jackson owns Rachael Alexander. He's kind of a creepy guy.

I guess I could look that up but why bother when I have Trailmix encylopedia here. Just throw out the question and bam, there's an answer. That is, however, when everyone gets up. I have been so impressed with this group here and their insta-links.

I remember one day when I did go looking for an answer to something and couldn't find it so I put the question out here and bam, Flatus had the answer almost before I could hit submit.

This morning Sanja Gupta CNN's doc said the reform in health care should be to place the emphasis on preventive care. Well duh! When I joined Kaiser back in the dark ages that's what it was a health maintenance organization and it really was. Over the years, Kaiser has become just another insurance company.

He's right KC and teaching is such an important part of it. I drove past a church years ago and on their little sign outside was written, "give a man a fish and he can feed his family for a day, but teach a man to fish and he can feed his family for a lifetime." Never found the author for that quote but I loved it and felt proud since much of my role in health care at the time involved teaching, still does.

I get a lot of criticism for it but I know, but can't prove, that is does save money, even if it's only one in a hundred who actually pay attention. If you save just one chronic renal failure from untreated hypertension, you save almost a million dollars I bet.

Carol, you'd better say you save the individual from a painfully debilitating always fatal disease. If you mention the million bucks, you're anti-business.

Whoops, your right Flatus and when I talked a hospital I worked for years back into starting an outpatient diabetes education center, I told them how much money they could make treating all the complications if we kept them associated with our hospital. They bought it.

ct
Yes he is right but he doesn't support any of the changes that would make our health care system preventative. It's easy to say words. People made HMO a dirty word when it fact HMO's were the model for a system which focuses on prevention. I think the current Obama proposals for health care reform are crap.

Ya know what I found to be so interesting is that my most compliant and favorite clients were my senior citizens. They recognized how important life is and how important it was to stay as healthy and productive as possible.

I offered a lifetime support group and my seniors were the only ones who kept coming. I miss those people.

and they were the ones who needed it the least.

"People made HMO a dirty word when it fact HMO's were the model for a system which focuses on prevention."

kgc, some hmo people made their own bad reputation when they began to treat patients and physicians as fungible, indistinguishable numbers... ran both thru too short appt times and other less than humane situations. good idea taken to extreme.

Carol...
no.... most of the "guy" horses are not fixed..... the real money to be made with thoroughbreds is in breeding and sales... the "father" horse is called a sire....the "mother" is called a dam.... if you have a little guy that's been sired by a big winner... he's worth lots of bucks....

a horse is gelded only if he has behavioral problems that might make him worthless to race....

the owners of Mine That Bird didn't want to start a breeding farm... they were simply interested in having a racing horse and geldings are cheaper...

patd

I agree -as a Kaiser member I've watched it happen from a front row seat.

Like C-bob I had good ideas but often no one paid attention to them. I actually had a supervisor once tell me that my ideals were too high. I was thinking to myself, well I am proud of that. She didn't have a clue.

KGC...
the other day I said I was disappointed in Obama's healthcare proposals....

I like your version much better..... :)

when I joined Kaiser you paid your monthly fee and that was it.
Now you pay and pay and pay. And the rates are not based on anything but you age which is another pile of crap...just for getting old you get to pay a lot more even if you are healthy.

Hi RR

I can't believe all the nonsense being spewed around health care and the complete lack of common sense.

Thanks RR. That makes sense. See what I mean folkes, insta-answer.

When Stinky's HBP was discovered in Panama, it was something like 220/140. The screeners immediately sent her to Gorgas Hospital, a major teaching hospital in the Canal Zone.

She came under the care of Dr Bonilla, I don't recall his first name. They admitted her for tests, including nuclear infusions, to determine if permanent damage had been done. There was none apparent. That was 35-years ago.

She has been under continuing care for her HBP since then except for about an eight month period after we moved here in '97. (She decided that she no longer needed any meds. And, once she decides something...)

At the end of those eight months she had a small stroke from which she has fully, well almost fully, recovered. Since then she has been faithfully following doctor's orders.

In any case, as we were leaving the Canal Zone, Dr Bonilla told Stinky that he had saved her life and that she should treasure the gift he gave her.

"seems that's also to some degree what caused the demise of the postal system, passenger rail system, public school system.... the expectation that these substructures necessary to the common good should pay for themselves. "

Yes indeed.

This place is a Trailmixopedia.

"My driver decided to try to run the thing down.

I drew my revolver, aimed at the driver, and we escaped."

LMAO! Flatus!

and with all the smarts here, you guys could save the world if only they would pay close attention.

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As my dear mother-in-law (of blessed memory) used to say, "You wish you could unscrew their head and screw on yours."

Carol -- if you were referring to the comment KGC made about Rachel Alexander's owner Jess Jackson earlier, here's an article...I don't know anything about him.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/triple/preakness/2009-05-07-alexandra-owners_N.htm

not Trailsylvania?

and my final words on the subject...I am proud to get to hang out with you guys and glad you let me dumb this place down a little. Now it is off for some yardwork. I have a kid coming to help.

Carol,

Almost none of the boys are fixed. I would have to double check to see who has been gelded. These horses are going to make a lot of money making little horses.

More details of the proposed health care legislation but again the details on how to implement them--- vague.

"Health plans would add to controls on insurers"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/health/policy/16health.html?ref=us

And the cost of the proposals--still no way to pay for them--not to mention that the proposal to
require everyone to carry insurance (not sure how those who live paycheck to paycheck would pay for it)
would not be effective til 2013.

"And the rates are not based on anything but you age which is another pile of crap...just for getting old you get to pay a lot more even if you are healthy."

And KGC--don't forget about gender based as well--my annual premium notice of increases not only separates premium catagories by age but gender as well.

"Give A Man a fish" quote is attributed to Lao Tzu the founder of Taoism.

The Principle is also considered the highest form of charity in Judaism: To make a person self sufficient so that they no longer need charity.

Great photo of the filly Rachel Alexandra--today's NYT front page. (Hope it comes out)

Girls Rule Today!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/sports/othersports/16horses.html?ref=sports

And KGC--don't forget about gender based as well--my annual premium notice of increases not only separates premium catagories by age but gender as well. Coreen

Good point. Women get to live longer and it costs us more to do so and frequently we have less money to do it.

Of course Social Security is in competition with health care.

Health care keeps you alive, but Social Security is based on enough people dying off before collecting to leave enough left over to pay for the ones who are still alive.

This creates an inequity among races, since a much large percentage of AA, Amerinds and hispanics die before 65 than caucasians and asians.

Final call for entries for Preakness:

Flatus, BW Mine That Bird
XR, Chloe Big Drama
HW, Solar Flying Private
Patd General Quarters
KGC Luv Gov
Ed Vb Musket Man
Rezdog Papa Clem
Warren Take The Points
? Terrain
Jamie Pioneer of the Nile
Ivy Friesan Fire
Renee, Blue, Bethy, ct, CJ Rachel Alexander
? Tone It Down

Nice article about Barbaro's Brothers (and maybe a sister in progress)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/2009-05-14-barbaro-brothers-cover_N.htm

I'm not really a stickler for other people's spellings..... but today.... I am gonna insist that it be gotten right....

the name is Rachel AlexandRA..... not Alexander..... that's a boy's name.... :)

Oops

Rachel AlexanDRA

An excellent article by someone who you would think should no better wound up in the credit/foreclosure crisis that is still simmering.

And though many would find fault with the personal choices made---the result has been repeated and repeated nationwide---my clients do not have anywhere near the income of the writer but still are experiencing the same dilemma.

"My personal credit crisis"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/magazine/17foreclosure-t.html?pagewanted=1&ref=business

I thought Alexander was the filly's last name.

Good point. Women get to live longer and it costs us more to do so and frequently we have less money to do it.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | May 16, 2009 10:13 AM

And add the fact that many female medical conditions tend to be ignored by doctors as emotional problems(unless plastic surgery is involved...then the woman needs it!). We are living in a medical world that classified menopause as a disease in th 1960s. Doctors were enabled to fight the disease with a myriad of HRT to mess with the female balance and inviting more cancer into the mix.

Sorry above--- should have said "know" better

Dooty....
here's a site with all her stats and correct name....

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/thoroughbred/rachel-alexandra/2006

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thanks for the site but I was just joking around. :)

Renee,

I heard that David Ortiz has been indefinitely benched. For what reason is this happening? Is he hurt or playing poorly, What?

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Fox hires another rich, spoiled, empty headed, brat with snarky attitude. And this is a surprise why?

Tucker is lucky to get a job.

Actually, Tucker's early life bio on Wiki is entertaining... He's almost a caricature debutant dating dilettante character in an imitation Fitzgerald novel:

"Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson is the elder son of Richard Warner Carlson, a former Los Angeles news anchor and U.S. ambassador to the Seychelles who was a president of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and director of Voice of America. His mother is Patricia Caroline Swanson (born 1945), former wife of Howard Feldman and an heiress to the Swanson food-conglomerate fortune. He has a brother, Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson. A great-uncle was Sen. J. William Fulbright.

He attended St. George's School, a boarding school in Middletown, Rhode Island. After graduation, he majored in history at the private liberal arts Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut. Carlson did not complete his degree at Trinity.

Dooty....
I should have known that you would know that horses don't have last names....

at the moment, the RSox are claiming to let Ortiz sit for a few games.... he's been hitting very poorly.... no home runs this year..... batting average around .208/.207.... he keeps striking out with men on base....

he had surgery on his wrist during the off season.... he claims he's totally healed.... but who knows.... Red Sox nation is very saddened.... we LOVE our Big Papi..... everyone is rooting for him to come out of this slump....

Dooty,

Looks like a combination of poor performance and mental attitude

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_red_sox_ortiz_16_05-16-09_22ED9BC_v3.38bd708.html

Before I take off (I am working), my thoughts on Obama speaking at Notre Dame. The reverse is also true for Obama, he is speaking at an institution that can also be blamed for supporting rampant pedophilia in its all male preistdom...and he is adult enought to respect that attitude?? I don't know, but I think pedophiles and misogynists may trump abortionists. I believe abortions are a matter of choice rather than force as is oft the case in pedophilia.

Items flying off the shelves when the economy is not so good---

Chocolate sales & running shoes are up
wine drinkers still sipping--but a cheaper vintage
gold coins are hot
vegetable seeds --green beans, tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, lettuce
spam, dinty moore stew, chili
macaroni & cheese dinners
tanning products
condoms
guns

"Hot in recession: Chocolate, running shoes, Spam"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090516/ap_on_bi_ge/us_bucking_the_recession

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