Craig chats with Keith Olbermann about the latest episode of Sarah's "All My Children" (MSNBC, 4/6).
Craig on MSNBC 9:00 AM EST Wed (4/8)
By Craig Crawford | April 7, 2009 12:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (272)
Craig chats with Keith Olbermann about the latest episode of Sarah's "All My Children" (MSNBC, 4/6).
Craig on MSNBC 9:00 AM EST Wed (4/8)
Categories: Craig on MSNBC
CQ © 2009 All Rights Reserved | Congressional Quarterly Inc. 1255 22nd Street N.W. Washington, D.C. 20037 | 202-419-8500
Comments
Well, where to begin.
Alaska’s Snow Bunny is at it again. Now she’s professing abstinence. This from a woman who’s knees have never actually met. Seems she’s taught her daughter some of Mom’s values.
This was the family values gal. A knocked up teenager, (can you even imagine the bile that would have been spewed by the Limbaugh’s & Hannity’s over the airways if it was Obama’s daughter?) a husband who is a leader of a succession group as anti U.S. as there is. Yep, just another average American family, huh?
Now she’s dumping all over the poor slob that ran, not walked, RAN away from that group. This guy isn’t going to fight back. Actually, I think his IQ & my shoe size have something in common.
All right, everyone who’s insulted, too bad. You want to fake being offended? Knock yourselves out. One thing though, you all know it’s true.
Nice to stop by.
Craig,
Lookin’ good on Olbermann!
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 12:00 AM
Oh Yeah, "Woo-Hoo!"
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 12:01 AM
Who's Sarah Palin?
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 1:32 AM
New tech doing the studio lighting for your KO appearances, different makeup artist? Looking very professional there in that segment.
Ms.Banks had a lot of fun playing around with Levi, and if I would not have had sound I would have guessed Levi would be saying "hell yes I'm glad to be out of that zoo."
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 7, 2009 2:13 AM
I once lived a a small Indiana town, three bars there, one a beer only joint and one kept changing its identity. At this incarnation it was a theme bar, always running little promotions and giveaways, and it was owned by a young man who was quite an entrepreneur. His cousin and I attended school together, and this cousin was laid-off from his job and was tending bar, evenings to closing, which was supposed to be three ay-em.
I was in there pounding down the longnecks and I said “Everett, you know I always spend all my considerable bar-time on this side of the bar. What say we switch for an hour so I can say I was a bartender once?”
He laughed and suggested we switch identities for an hour…so I took his bar-towel and stuck it my back pocket like he did and he donned my old Stroh’s baseball cap.
Some bikers came in, six people all told: my first customers. I asked Everett where the Budweisers were ,but no help ensued. I found them. I had never worked a cash register: I found the buttons.
I poured a few shots of Jack, I made a screwdriver for one of the biker chicks, and that’s all I remember. One hour , and it was fun. I was kinda digging it. I may have not cared for it when things got really busy, but I’ll never know.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 7, 2009 2:20 AM
Anyone who finds humor or pleasure in teen-age pregancy is kind of sick I think.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat
| April 7, 2009 2:42 AM
"This from a woman who’s knees have never actually met. Seems she’s taught her daughter some of Mom’s values." Another example of a misogynistic comment that seems to be allowed by our culture. And by the way Cosmo- I'm not faking my feelings, your comment is just as sad and pathetic as Oinkermanns, and your class snobbery also offensive. Think I might have had enough already for the day here, Have a good day folks.
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 7, 2009 5:42 AM
but it's not even DAWN yet............lol
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 6:08 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/of-mice-and-kim.html#comment-217099
patsi, they have a sex life? well, even an amoeba has a sex life.
shuse makes me think that he's a "can't get-a-job-anywhere-else" nephew of the network's moneybag vip.
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 6:08 AM
did someone say dawn? how's that for a smooth segue...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3SfcANH-9A
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 6:14 AM
however fine or not-so fine Mr Shuster's show is, he has no business "sneering" at Ms Banks' tv show.....he says ".....levi johnson appearing on the---get this-- 'the Tyra Banks Show'........" like the little model's show is somehow just not on his own lofty plane............seems to me that Shus and Banks have quite a bit in common...........Olb did it too.....
Banks scored the Levi interview.......did olberman and "hardball" turn it down?
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 6:17 AM
"Well, where to begin.
Alaska’s Snow Bunny is at it again. Now she’s professing abstinence. This from a woman who’s knees have never actually met. Seems she’s taught her daughter some of Mom’s values.
This was the family values gal. A knocked up teenager..."
Blah blah.
Well, where to begin. Actually, Cosmo you have offended me so mightily I'm not even sure I want to leave a response. Talking to cretins seldom works.
Just a bit of advice: stop jacking off in your mother's closet.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 6:31 AM
right or wrong, preaching abstinence to high school students is like canute trying to order out the incoming tides.........
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 6:48 AM
maybe we should refer to shuse as "sheesh"
http://www.yourdictionary.com/sheesh
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 6:53 AM
"We've come a long way from Jefferson trying to create a Navy to do battle with Muslim pirates."
max, old ironsides, aka uss constitution, launched in 1797saw first action chasing pirates in carribean and then sent to fight the barbary pirates off tripoli... refurbished in the 1990s, it's still seaworthy. maybe we should send it to fight some more pirates.
oliver windell holmes lamented "the harpies of the shore shall pluck the eagle of the sea" when she was to be scuttled in 1830s. saved by a poet.
maybe y'all need to hire a wordsmith to save the stuff gates is scrapping.
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 7:06 AM
shus and olb are content to build a rube goldberg of tv coverage upon the foundation poured by ms banks from what is basically Levi's repulsive verbal puking after the prom......
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 7:08 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217182
Very true Sturge.
Although I don't agree that you shouldn't tell teenagers that having sex is -- as my father would have said -- a piss poor idea. I absolutely preached that to my kids. Not for any religious reasons, either. They knew all about contraception, but they also knew that sex is an emotional commitment they might not be ready to make.
As with most things these days, this entire subject has been dumbed down by both the right and the left.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 7:14 AM
Read the full report from the Red Cross on US Torture of prisoners.
http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf
It seems that someone leaked the February 2007 report. I know some of you don't believe anything the Red Cross says just by the way you state your points of view, but we know the truth because we have seen only the least damaging photos of the Torture committed by our country.
The government dare not show the most vile of those for surly we would rise up and drag them out of their offices and try them on the streets.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 7, 2009 7:23 AM
might be able to come up with a fair to middling ode to save the raptor and osprey, but it's hard to find rhymes and a good beat for f-35 and lmv.
btw, is the lmv the military version of the hummer? and is that why the big tax credit/deduction was offered in order to make production more profitable.... you know economies of scale bs
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 7:23 AM
And the main reason I advised my daughter to steer clear of teenage sex was the existence of Neanderthal guys like Cosmo. Guys who then run around talking about girls who "can't keep their legs together." Just disgusting.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 7:26 AM
thought craig looked a bit uncomfortable last night with the crassness of the topic. our gracious host, however, presented himself most civil, as usual, even tho' the subject matter was unworthy of the proper gentleman that he is.
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 7:35 AM
While I love a good soap opera, I do feel sorry for the poor girl in the middle of it. Clearly, she is under mommy's thumb. Just look at the way Scary swooped in during Bristol's interview a couple of weeks ago. Now Levi & kin doing interviews. And Bristol, who is now being trotted out as the "don't do this" abstinence spokesmodel by her own mother. It's sad.
Even sadder is the fact that I thought we had moved past the point where the woman gets the blame and the shame. There is no blame for either of these kids, only the responsibility for a new, little person based on their actions. There is no shame. Leave the mysoginistic crap back in the 1950s where it belongs, please.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 7, 2009 7:37 AM
Party Unity My...oh, it stands for what now???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090407/ap_on_bi_ge/general_motors_segway
Craig, I do not want to see you anywhere near one of these in the future.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 7, 2009 7:38 AM
then again.......when you got a coliseum, it has to be filled with lions, christians, and gladiators if you wanna put asses in the seats......
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 7:55 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217137
Cosmo
This is one disgusting comment!! Its no wonder when you first came here you were mistaken for the NY offender! I would hate to here how you feel about us Gay people....You are not very nice..Think about it....
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 7:58 AM
Scary got what she wanted; we are talking about her. Not about the economy, they war, Obama's tour, the North Koreans...we're talking about her.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 7, 2009 8:01 AM
I believe my Mother would say to me, "Don't repeat what Cosmo said!"
Posted by: Corey
| April 7, 2009 8:04 AM
Blue, in Michigan all they are talking about is college basketball. Of course, that ended last night. Unless Palin taked to Jim Nance, nobody in Michigan saw it.
Posted by: Corey
| April 7, 2009 8:06 AM
talked*
Posted by: Corey
| April 7, 2009 8:07 AM
Isn't it just great when grown, well educated people take delight in the misery of someone else's children?
Craig, leave it alone, please.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 8:30 AM
Flatus
They got to keep those ratings up. Doesn't say much for their opinion of their audience does it.
And of course there was nothing else going on in the world.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 8:37 AM
Jack, I refuse to watch KO, but I have in the past. Why any sentient human being would consent to be a member of his menagerie is absolutely beyond me.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 8:44 AM
"Up next for Obama, the Summit of the Americas"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/117/story/65530.html
A thought that occurred to me.
Presidents tend to distract "the people" from problems the president is having at home by doing the Summit thing and looking presidential. Is all this presidential travel timed to take the Washington press corp's eyes off all the sausage making happening over on capital hill.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 8:51 AM
Flatus
Mortgage payments cause us all to do jobs, at times, we would prefer not to. I would say much the same happens with punditry
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 9:01 AM
the more Palin is talked about.... the more power she garners....
saw Craig's segment last night..... nice try at being dignified with such a trashy topic.....
when a show is reduced to doing segments on other trashy shows and bashing opposing channel pundits.... it's not worth watching, IMO.... slamming the likes of Bill-O or Beck was fun for a few laughs when it was first done...... but now it's pathetic as Olbermann has gotten into the pig trough with them.....
Jack.... you mentioned CNN last night.... it is the network I will turn on to see what is happening in the world.... but I agree.... it's not much better....
they're letting Roland Martin sub for Campbell Brown while she's out on maternity leave..... Roland Martin.... a nice enough fellow.... but a huge cheerleader for Obama the second he announced his candidacy for prez.... now hosting a show where the first two words in it's title is "No Bias".... I think the joke is on the viewers.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 7, 2009 9:26 AM
" hosting a show where the first two words in it's title is "No Bias".... I think the joke is on the viewers....."
I thought the same thing, Renee...
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 9:29 AM
At least the Palins aren't obese
Associated Press
Study finds 1 in 5 obese among 4-year-olds
By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/06/national/a130055D38.DTL&tsp=1
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 9:34 AM
Whether it is an emotion, a feeling, an opinion---this is an interesting discussion of---pride.
"When all you have left is your Pride" NYT
'The fine art of keeping up appearances may seem shallow & deceitful, the very embodiment of denial.
But many psychologists beg to differ.'
'
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/health/07mind.html?ref=health
Posted by: Coreen
| April 7, 2009 9:35 AM
I actually tuned into Olbermann last night for the first time in months and months just out of loyalty to Craig.
It made me realize how much I don't miss KO.
Craig was good, though.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 7, 2009 9:38 AM
Even Olbermann's tribute to his own mother -- who died unexpectedly Saturday night -- struck me more as an exercise in self-marketing than as a genuine expression of anything else.
Besides, dude, couldn't you take at least a FEW days off to mourn her passing privately?
But what do I know? Here's the video clip:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/06/olbermann-pays-tribute-to_n_183835.html
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 7, 2009 9:43 AM
lardo......let me know if you go to shadowmoss again any time soon................
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 9:44 AM
Today apparently is an important date in the history of the Internet---the 40th anniversary of something known
as the Request for Comments.
And although I have little idea of how the internet works I am thankful for those who made it possible for the existence of this "neighborhood".
How the Internet got its Rules"--"Happy birthday, R.F.C.'s, guardians of Web protocol."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07crocker.html?ref=opinion
Posted by: Coreen
| April 7, 2009 9:44 AM
Craig is even handed. He doesn't sneer. He doesn't shout. He's intelligent....makes you wonder how he gets booked!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 9:46 AM
will do, sturge. It's been awhile since I've been there -- and nothing on the horizon right now.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 7, 2009 9:46 AM
Remember when Laura Bush was saying we had to go into Afghanistan to save the poor women?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/06/afghanistan.law/index.html
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 9:49 AM
Patsi, it was clear that our involvement in Afghanistan was doomed when Bush, in essence, placed his presidency at the disposal of the two Christian proselytizers who, quite expectedly, were held hostage by the Taliban and threatened with execution.
But, where was his outrage when the ancient Buddhas were being destroyed?
One simply can't go into another country and transplant our, quite alien, values on another culture. To show how out of touch senior people are, when our people initially went to the distant villages, they adopted native dress, grew beards and adopted horses as the preferred mode of transport.
Wasn't long before someone in the Pentagon put an end to those quite successful practices.
I want so much for those little girls to be educated to, as a minimum, the fourth grade level. But, for it to happen, that goal has to be made desirable to the village elders, both male and female. Where/what is the plan for doing that?
Argh! Now you've gotten me on my soapbox!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 10:24 AM
"Expressed dissension regarding the provocative statements made by some of the more high-profile pundits exposes those ideas to a much wider audience than the initial transmission of those statements from the source."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/of-mice-and-kim.html#comment-217125
LOL M'Lord!,
True! And so beautifully said!
(... missed your music debut, can you relink it?)
... a couple of nice pictures of Barack and Hillary together.
Photo summary of Hillary at NATO summi http://hillary.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/06/photo_summary_of_hillary_at_nato_summit
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 10:29 AM
Flatus. Stay on that soapbox!
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 10:31 AM
..... the world according to Soros
"The U.S. economy is in for a "lasting slowdown" and could face a.... period of relatively low growth coupled with high inflation, billionaire investor George Soros said on Monday.
Soros, speaking to Reuters Financial Television, also warned that rescuing U.S. banks could turn them into "zombies" that draw the lifeblood of the economy, prolonging the economic slowdown."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30069223
I previously missed this somehow...
Americans Skeptical on Nationalizing Financial Institutions
An overwhelming majority of Americans think financial institutions are better run by themselves.
11: Percentage of Americans who think financial institutions will run better if controlled by the government
67: Percentage of Americans who think financial institutions will not
18: Percentage of Democrats who think the government can run financial institutions better
5: Percentage of Republicans who agree
http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2009/04/06/americans-skeptical-on-nationalizing-financial-institutions.html
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 10:34 AM
"Study finds 1 in 5 obese among 4-year-olds"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217207
KGC, What's most disturbing about that is they will probably be obese the rest of their lives. One of our worst national health problems, and what causes many of the other health problems..
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 10:39 AM
Flatus
Be sure to read 3 Cups of Tea - a great story of building schools
http://www.threecupsoftea.com/
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 10:40 AM
If Sarah Palin showed any humility about her family’s problems, there might be redeeming qualities to the tabloid fare. As it is, she takes one hypocritical stance after another. Abstinence? Who’s buying it?
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:46 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/health/07mind.html?ref=health
Coreen, Thank you for linking that article. Psychology is my favorite subject.
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 10:48 AM
"Argh! Now you've gotten me on my soapbox!"
Excellent! I like your soapboxes!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 10:49 AM
http://www.threecupsoftea.com/
Thanks, Katherine, just ordered it.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 10:54 AM
"As it is, she takes one hypocritical stance after another. Abstinence? Who’s buying it? "
I'm not sure just what she believes. I know what the media says she does, and since unlike most, I had actually been paying attention to her long before she was named as a VP candidate. Half the reason the media was outraged was that they were caught lacking. It was as if they never heard of a woman who -- despite her religious beliefs and right of center politics -- took on the Republican establishment in Alaska. There was a time in the women's movement that we worked with those women and actually accomplished things. Now we turn them into enemies.
Maybe that's why Caroline backed off...some media types figured out her kids could be attacked. That was coming, don't think it wasn't. At any rate...doesn't matter -- there were three high profile women out there this season, and the media destroyed every one of them.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 10:57 AM
Flatus....
you really should have got that book from your local library.....
at my book club last week.... which did 3 Cups of Tea.... we were all in agreement..... great subject matter..... terrible writing.....
it kept going back and forth between first person and third person.... David Oliver Relin.... who has won many awards as a magazine writer..... should have stuck to magazine writing, IMO (and the rest of my book club's as well)...
it was as if he wrote each chapter as a magazine article..... no flow at all from chapter to chapter..... and his obvious hero worship of Greg Mortenson was a bit much....
I kept waiting for the chapter that explained in full detail why it's so important to educate girls in third world societies.... it never came.....
there is much to be admired about Mr. Mortenson.... too bad he didn't choose someone better to write his story.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 7, 2009 11:12 AM
"Excellent! I like your soapboxes!"
I do too.
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 11:12 AM
I do think anyone's children should be left alone they are caught in a situation not by their own doings. They didn't choose to be where they are & what family they belong to. So there really shouldn't be a discussion about it. Personally I would never go on a show or even in public & speak badly about my child's mother. Don't he know better?
Posted by: buford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:16 AM
KGC
The School that was doing the pennies for peace fund raiser had raised over $2500 in pennies in the first week, not counting the 200 lb of pennies my fatherinlaw donated.
They were doing it for lent.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 11:38 AM
It's too bad the book isn't well written but I recommend for the basic outline of what and why Mortenson is doing and how he is succeeding. To me, it highlights why small personalized programs do better than the mass programs which try to be one size fits all.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 11:42 AM
Folks... it's TV. You don't like it? Turn it off. Constantly bashing Craig's employer ain't going to put food on his table.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:43 AM
Buford
another reason I would never run for President. I've got a room full of relatives that would love to go on those gossip programs and tell everything they know or could make up.
lol
What do they say?
Trash will.
And the trash that I'm kin to will more than most. They don't even need the excuse of being drunk.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 11:43 AM
Oh, and Cosmo... I suppose I must admit a modicum of admiration concerning your efficacy of provocation. You really got 'em going. What I'd like to know is how you navigated to this page, watched the clip, composed your thoughts, typed them out, and posted them all in 60 seconds or less.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:47 AM
Chloe
It used to be being well stuffed was a sign of wealth but now obesity is more often a problem associated with poverty.
I think it is a problem of access to good information and good markets for ez shopping.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 11:54 AM
I agree about the lack of good information and good markets KGC. Junk food is the key problem. It's quick and easy, and provides no nutrients. Therefore, the child will keep eating, trying to get the nutrients his or her body craves, with no idea which foods to get them from. They may become obese, but imo, it's also malnutrition.
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 12:04 PM
Why we need health care reform now..
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4639
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 12:10 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217245
KGC, That story was terrifying. MG, can it get any worse?
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 12:14 PM
KGC.....
another good reason to read that book is it gives a good insight into Islamic culture.... something which most Americans aren't familiar with..... just glad I didn't use my own hard earned money to purchase it....
your lordship.... this here blog has always been as much about critiquing the media as well as politics.... yup.... one can turn off the tv.... and one can scroll by blog posts too.... and since when has it become anyone's who posts here job to make sure Craig puts food on his table.... have you seen what he's cooking lately?.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 7, 2009 12:17 PM
Craig looked very professional in his biz attire,,just right I thought for that particular show,,,,It has been over a year now that I have tuned into msnbc,,,and can't understand why people here complain about it ,and the clowns that are on that station,,,you know what your are in for when you do tune in no?,,I will repeat,,,they are just clowns now like the late night shows,,but not funny at all
Cosmo,,,I had you pegged right ,,right from the start,when you laid into xr , someone that you never even knew before,,these people are too smart for your bs.You may not be who some thought you were,,,but you are cut from the same cloth imo,,and funny a little funny at first,,now just another clown,,,you are the one with your knees open!,,,,and a little dumb,,you said what you said knowing the outcome of your comment.
One descion that Bush had right,,he pulled the plug on Sen Durbin's pork,,and by doing so,,,he helped mother earth.
Archer Daniels Midland project aims to bury carbon dioxide
The experiment will help determine whether storing greenhouse gases underground, or sequestration, is a viable solution for global warming.
Decatur, Ill. -- The drillers have gnawed through a mile of rock here, almost down to a 600-million-year-old layer of sandstone where they hope to bury about 1 million metric tons of carbon dioxide -- equal to the annual emissions of 220,000 automobiles.
The $84-million project, of which $66.7 million comes from the Energy Department, will help determine whether storing greenhouse gases underground, so-called sequestration, is a viable solution for global warming.
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/environment/la-fi-plant-emissions7-2009apr07,0,66847.story?track=rss
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 12:18 PM
over a year that I have not tuned into msnbc,,,that should read
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 12:22 PM
Chloe
I was stunned when I read that account. The insurance companies really have to go...
RR
Good point on learning about Islamic culture.
I used to buy books all the time and then one day when I was loading them up to take to the library's booksale I realized how much I was spending..now I'm use the library almost exclusively.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 12:24 PM
Renee, actually it cost eight bucks and change, delivered, from Amazon. It will be passed on to my daughter, a Boys and Girls Clubs executive, after I'm through with it.
This purchase is part of my personal stimulus program, and as a bonus, I may learn something in the process. :)
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 12:26 PM
"it cost eight bucks and change, delivered, from Amazon"
Flatus, and no gas or time going to the library.
I LOVE Amazon. (Especially the one step purchase they offer.) It's done before I've even had time to think about it. And it's always fun when the package arrives.
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 12:31 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217249
I'm no scientist, Solar, but burying CO2 has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Yeah yeah, Renee... some things are best left unsaid.
Big ups to Lardass.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 12:33 PM
"This purchase is part of my personal stimulus program"
.. which, the way I see it, makes you very patriotic. :)
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 12:33 PM
Flatus....
then I take it back..... looks like you had good reason to purchase it....
I too have slowed way down in purchasing books..... I make my decisions very deliberately now..... I either want it for our own permanent collection.... or I want to give it to our tiny library with it's tiny book budget....
such as recently buying the Reagan Myth book.... our library is well stock with books praising him to the heavens.... it really needs another view for balance, IMO....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 7, 2009 12:34 PM
... maybe better left unsaid, but still your right.
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 12:34 PM
your right to say them, that should have read.
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 12:35 PM
No wonder big newspapers are going under they are run by idiots
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/04/when_is_a_cartel_not_a_cartel.php
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 12:37 PM
That healthcare story is chilling. I am going to quit bitching because I can't afford the medicine I need but don't absolutely have to take. That story put it in perspective.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 12:43 PM
Sorry to hear about KO's mom's passing here. Didn't see the tribute on the show since I only saw Craig's segment. Everybody mourns differently; not gonna fault the man for going to work.
When KO was on Fox Saturday Baseball, he had is mom on after she got hit in the head with a ball at a game. He asked her something to the effect of how it felt. She gave him such a how-in-the-heck-do-you-think-it-felt look.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kiss your bailout dollars goodbye. GM is preparing to do what the gov't should've let it do months ago...file bankruptcy, reorganize, move forward.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 7, 2009 12:54 PM
"Kiss your bailout dollars goodbye. GM is preparing to do what the gov't should've let it do months ago...file bankruptcy, reorganize, move forward."
I guess that's not really a big surprise at this point Blue. I ran across a story yesterday covering the expansion GM has made into many other countries. Things, they are a-changin.
The List: Globalized Motors
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=47
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 1:25 PM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4789
correction
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 1:27 PM
CBob.....
I just want to say a big..... THANK YOU!....
for turning me onto dickday at TPM......
I LOVE that blog.... I LOVE the commenters....
so very smart.... so very funny..... just like the original incarnation of this place....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 7, 2009 1:31 PM
Twinkie, Deconstructed: My Journey to Discover How the Ingredients Found in Processed Foods Are Grown, Mined (Yes, Mined), and Manipulated
On the science channel ,,,8 pm tonight
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 1:40 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217208
Coreen --
I was delayed in opening your NYT link, but I've read it now, and second Chloe in thanking you for bringing it to our attention. I agree with its premise, but venture it's not "pride" that's the lesson, but "self-esteem." It reminded me of two verses in the "Just for Today" prayer.
"Just for today I will try to strengthen my mind. I will study; I will learn something useful; I will not be a mental loafer; I will read something that requires effort, thought & concentration.
Just for today I will be agreeable. I will look as good as I can, dress becomingly, talk low, act courteously, criticize not one bit, not find fault with anything & not try to improve or regulate anybody except myself."
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 1:40 PM
Hey there yourself, Lord Champington.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 7, 2009 1:41 PM
Associated Press
Absentees push Franken's Senate lead to 312
By BRIAN BAKST, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
(04-07) 10:13 PDT ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) --
Democrat Al Franken's lead in Minnesota's U.S. Senate race has grown to 312 votes now that hundreds of absentee ballots have been added to the counting.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/06/national/a113514D21.DTL&tsp=1
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 1:48 PM
"Just waiting to find out if Palin can see North Korea from Alaska ."
When Little Kim stands on a soapbox, she can see the top of his head.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 7, 2009 1:54 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217268
Beautiful Ivy
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 1:57 PM
LL -
Craig mentioned you had a green thumb , you need to join us "Kernel Heads" .
http://cbhopibluecornexperiment.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 7, 2009 1:59 PM
Thought for the day :
" Cheap things are of no value, valuable things are not cheap. "
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 7, 2009 2:00 PM
CB
There is a school of agriculture about 3 miles from me,,they will let me know when they plan to start their corn planting,,that's when I will plant the blue corn. It is still kinda cold here,,maybe by the end of the month.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 2:15 PM
Cheap things ...... Well there's my problem I always paid way to much for cheap things.
Solar -
Cool , or warm as the case may be.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 7, 2009 2:24 PM
got an email chloe?
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 2:41 PM
GM drops Hummer for an electric scooter
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/apr/07/gm-segway-electric-scooter-unveiled
-------------
Wouldn't you know it, this thing is called a -
PUMA
The vehicle, named Puma (for Personal Urban Mobility and Accessibility), is the product of an unlikely collaboration between an ailing American industrial behemoth known for manufacturing gas-guzzlers and a privately held company founded on technological wizardry.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 7, 2009 2:43 PM
Gee, I can't imagine why GM is going bankrupt with such innovative products like that...
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 2:49 PM
" Well, a story making the rounds this week will not turn dog lovers against me or this blog. It features an Australian cattle dog named Sophie Tucker, who fell from a sailboat in rough seas off Australia four months ago and was presumed drowned.
Turns out, Sophie was doggedly determined. She paddled five miles to a remote island and survived by eating baby feral goats, which was the "Survivor" thing to do. "
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/04/canine-survival-story-.html
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 7, 2009 2:49 PM
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker April 7, 2009 9:34 AM
Obesity is. . . but the disparity is most startling in American Indians, whose rate is almost double that of whites."
Falls in line with most of the other problem symptoms of AIs here.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 7, 2009 2:49 PM
"there were three high profile women out there this season, and the media destroyed every one of them."
patsi, there were 4 if you count michelle (before the body snatchers got her). they just haven't finished the job yet.
btw, her taste in clothes was far better when she pcked them out (remember the primary pix) then the spider dress, ruffles and flourishes after the handlers got their hands on her. altho, a couple of the outfits on the eu trip looked like her old poised stylish style... simple lines, less fussy fabrics.
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 3:12 PM
Rez
That's a very sad statistic
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 3:12 PM
Ms Renee,
Sweetie made me read 3 Cups of Tea about 1 1/2 years ago. The brilliant tale more than made up for the astonishing lack of an editor.
Regarding the earlier flap about Mr. deCritic's and others' remarks, the point is, there has long been a disconnect between Governor palin's acts and her words. While she didn't give birth at the altar, she and her America-hating husband were not exactly chastity role models for others. They passed the premarital sex trait on, although whether by genetics or through cultural diffusion, I cannot say. You may argue that the boys are oinkers, but you cannot deny that palin is a whited sepulchre.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 3:21 PM
Oh NO ! Sorry, Ms Renee, I did not mean to keep that second part in my last post. I wasn't arguing with you.
It should have been 2 separate posts. Then I hit 'Submit' rather than 'Preview.'
I just need to go more slowly, more often, use the preview feature more often, click & drag, etc, etc.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 3:26 PM
even bad for those that's got insurance
"Insurance premiums have grown by quite a margin and the worker’s incomes seem dwarfed in comparison. Private insurance plans have increased the costs by 61% on an average. The data shows it rising from $2,560 in 1996 to $4,118 in 2006. Nationally, employees are paying more to get insurance cover; almost in the range of 79% for individual policy while wage only rise by 10%."
http://news-reviews.org/uncategorized/insurance-costs-run-higher/
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 3:27 PM
AP NewsBreak: Tribune could have gotten $45M in Wrigley deal, state would have loaned $300M
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
Ivy,,,thanks,,,,,health in mind, body, and spirt,,Im doing ok so far,I will locked my self in a closet,and not watch tv ,but I haven't shaved in 2 day's,,be right back,,,maybe I should try this tomorrow, I already blew this today,,,but I have e mailed that to a cpl of friends,,thanks
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217268
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 3:38 PM
Mr Bob,
Dad used to say, once they get the taste of sheep or goat, you can never trust the dog around them again.
Seriously, feral goats, pigs, and rats are a disastrous man made ecological problem in many, if not most, Pacific Islands. 3 cheers for Sophie.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 3:38 PM
"Constantly bashing Craig's employer ain't going to put food on his table. -- Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com "
ha, Lord, thanks, nice sentiment there, but i could use a diet anyway. probably too much food on my table.
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 3:40 PM
"They passed the premarital sex trait on, although whether by genetics or through cultural diffusion, I cannot say."
Jeezus H Christ. Can you get any dumber, xrep?
You make Palin a piker in the righteous judgements category.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 3:46 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217274
CBob...I'm definitely all thumbs. But the jury is still out on the "green" part. We'll have to wait to see how all these plants I put in over the weekend turn out.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| April 7, 2009 3:47 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217239
lb, give ole cosmo the benefit of the doubt (even tho he's not giving one to others). it is possible that he had seen craig on ko in live time and linked and commented just as the new thread opened. notice he wasn't playing in the sandbox most of the evening.... and the rest of you guys didn't even know about the new thread. so let's give him another chance.
however, cosmo, the next time you screw up with trash talk, you're to report to the mother superior for 10 raps on the hand and several hail marys.
Posted by: patd
| April 7, 2009 3:51 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217292
"already blew this today..."
Solar --
Haven't you heard you can start your day over at any time??
(^_~)
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 3:56 PM
xrep....
no problem..... I didn't think you were addressing me about Cosmo..... seeing as I haven't said one word about him....
hey OSH.... I hope you were watching opening day at Fenway..... there couldn't have been a dry eye when Sen. Ted Kennedy threw out the ceremonial first pitch.....
gotta get back to the game...... Red Sox winning 4-1 so far.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 7, 2009 5:13 PM
Norm Coleman needs to pack it in....
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-franken-recount8-2009apr08,0,4669302.story
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 5:24 PM
Fulsomely Posted by: Patsi | April 7, 2009 3:46 PM :
"Jeezus H Christ. Can you get any dumber, xrep? You make Palin a piker in the righteous judgements category."
If you read more closely, you will see that the assessment I made (not judgement ) was confined to the huge disconnect between palin's words and her actions.
On the principle that people who live in glass, etc., serial stone-thrower palin would do well to mind HER violations of HER (not mine) loudly-advertised moral code. She would do better to speak from her experience (not the gussied-up 'experience' invented by the campaign ad execs) than to spout silly nostrums and insults learned from the likes of jim bakker and jimmie swaggert.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 5:28 PM
RR- a bittersweet moment,I love that man. I went to the pub down the street to watch it and the drunkards were talking about Chappy. I told them there were all assholes and walked away. I guess they're everywhere today.
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 7, 2009 5:32 PM
Patsi,
I just got through the first post response on this blog about Palin today and afer reading it I went to edit on my toolbar and clicked on "find on this page." I put in the name Patsi. I sensed your fume and I just had to see your response. I had to laugh. I knew if you were here and alive you would certainly respond. You go girl! I am too whipped after a day of work with the good ole boys at the prison to respond also but I certainly do understand the mentality.
I do have one question for the poster and that is what reference or data do you have to support whether Palin's knees meet??? Cosmo you may not be Brian but you sure are channeling him.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 5:33 PM
I'm terribly sorry Craig, I despise it when people mess with someone else's livelihood. I was totally insensitive to your position.
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 7, 2009 5:34 PM
I love Gawker
Jake Tapper Can't Keep His Objectivity in His Pants
Jake Tapper, a.k.a. the Littlest Sam Donaldson, told the National Review that he's so so serious about reportorial objectivity that he doesn't vote. Which is funny because he once dated John McCain's flack
http://gawker.com/5202160/jake-tapper-cant-keep-his-objectivity-in-his-pants
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 5:36 PM
Patd, I was talking about an expanded NAVY going after those Muslim pirates. In those days, that was a pretty bold move....but then Jefferson saw the best defense a good offense.
As for my yesterday’s bandwidth, sorry ladies and gentlemen, but picture Craig's thread about NK’s rocket test and then watch as Gates revealed his predictable ideas, especially the notion he sequestered himself from military experts and debate because of the radical changes he was to propose. If that isn’t the antithesis of Obamian proclamation, I don’t know what is. By adding the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan to cost baseline, the DOD was cut. Let’s be clear about that. But then we are no longer at war…lol. And perhaps military experts would have shown him this new approach to the wars Obama says are so important:
http://www.military.com/news/article/April-2009/us-studies-hezbollah-to-prepare-troops.html
So Gates cuts FCS critical to saving future GI lives while declaring a radical shift of funds to present threats. And then there is Kimmie and Iran. So Gates cuts some missile defense, pulls back on the air borne laser and does not act boldly in getting to the weapon grail: speed of light missile defense. No urgency in a technology that would revolutionize air defense, particularly in theater.
We are beginning to have clashes with the Chinese at sea, but there is no naval plan. Our present hot world requires sea and air lift, yet Gates isn't bold about this and critical air refueling waits more years.
The simple reality is that we need both a superior conventional force and an unconventional force. Even the NYT and WAPO agree. Presently 40% of the military systems are used for both. 10% for irregular warfare (4G) and about 50% on conventional forces. Gates should be commended for putting our troops first.
As far as my shpeil on Raptors (which Bush planned to halt and Congress may still not go a long with), this is what irked me: the misinformation about the Raptors critical roll in short term conflicts, the need to meet the advanced fighters Russia and China are making and the lack of a future fighter program. We are not the best without reason and Raptors are far more than a Cold War sword..
In any case, most experts today do not see a radical shift in the Gates plan. They see some things getting cut across the board without a clear vision of present and future tactics with the threats spelled out. Nope, this wasn't a bold new vision, but rather a cost cutting operation with a somewhat debatable spin on present and future priorities.
If the present is important why cut FCS, cut more air and sea lift capacity and cut continued upgrades to ground support Wart Hogs which are not very expensive air craft? Take my word that F-35s can’t help our ground troops as much as a fully armed Wart Hog. They aren't even ready to fight.
If more nations export deadly mobile air born threats, why pull back on missile defense? With more regional conflicts why reduce the number of carriers? We can pack some tremendous power on those ships. Russian and China are both expanding carrier concepts.
What seems lacking is the strategy, the vetting and a real up tick in defense preparedness. Already Obama touts the DOD is getting more, but then note the Iraq and Afghanistan additions to baseline. This is a spin job and I doubt Congress will bite.
Couple these defense questions above with: Obama kneeling before King Abdullah, the President's declaration today that US soldiers brought real Democracy to Iraq but must leave ASAP as AQ regroups, the rumors that Dennis Ross' office indicated to Iran that enrichment is okay (prompting a celebration in Iranian Press), Obama turning to the UN to do something about NK...lol, with Meshud targeting the WH, with signals to Assad he is out of his box, -all this presents a chaotic and less than confident approach to foreign policy and national objectives.
The new Gallop poll has some interesting numbers about what Americans think about world tension. It may surprise you. Sorry for using the bandwidth to make a case to Democrats about security priorities, but in the weeks to come that sentiment will be echoed in the Press as more experts chime in....
and for the record, I don't pretend I to be one of them.
I see no one mentioned the witch hunt on Stevens that finally left him declaring victory. Perhaps Holder should do something about incompetence over at the Department of Justice, yes?
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 5:36 PM
Carol...and I started the day with an email from Brian making sure I knew about the semi-pornographic Eminem video portraying Palin and talking about him screwing her.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 5:39 PM
More Gawker gossip
Former MSNBC host Dan Abrams, not content with running his shady new conflict-of-interest-laden PR firm for working journalists, now wants to start up his very own "'Drudge meets The Huffington Post' site." Oh good.
http://gawker.com/5185179/dan-abrams-wants-to-buy-a-few-good-bloggers
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 5:42 PM
I don't believe for a minute that he isn't he who shall not be named.
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 7, 2009 5:43 PM
norm coleman is doing his job, keeping a Senator from assuming his office. The failed coleman will next go to the SCOTSOMN. The crook's chances look fairly good there, because all the Justices are appointed by the gov, and and then rubber-stamped in succeeding elections. The last time MN had a Dem gov was Jan. 1991, so the court is heavily rebushlican.
MN governor, rebushlican Potholes Aplenty, will not certify Franken until the SCOTUS either rules on the election or declines to hear an argument. Even then, it may take a SCOTUS order or Federal troops to make him certify Franken.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 5:44 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217311
Patsi,
Those daily emails now go directly to SPAM so all I ever have to do is empty the folder with them totally unseen.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 5:56 PM
maxtrue,
While Jefferson may have sent our little Navy after pirates, he brought that navy home and sealed it in ports after the Brits and French began impressing American sailors. Before his embargo, the US had more ships than any nation on earth, after it we were a Continental rather than a global power.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 6:00 PM
Of course, our ships tended to be smaller thanthose of the Brits, Dutch, French, etc. But, every coastal town had it's own fleet.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 7, 2009 6:03 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217299
It would be easy if I had this little guy ,,to start my day off
Feathery Case Lands In Florida Court
Two women claimed they were the bird's rightful owner.
DELRAY BEACH, Florida (CBS) ―
Angela Colicheski, the African Grey parrot's original owner, holds the bird that was at the center of a civil court case in Palm Beach.
Feathers flew in a Palm Beach County court after a judge ordered a bird to make an appearance in a civil case, CBS station WFOR-TV.
An African Grey parrot is at the center of the case with two women claiming ownership of the bird that first belonged to Angela Colicheski.
About 13 years ago, Colicheski purchased the parrot for $2,000. It often said "Good morning darling" and asked, "How are you?"
But one day Colicheski's darling Tequila flew away.,,,keep reading
http://cbs2chicago.com/watercooler
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 6:07 PM
.MN governor, rebushlican Potholes Aplenty
Absolutely Fabulous!
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 7, 2009 6:07 PM
I agree Sea. Looks like Cosmo dropped in, left that turd and split. If what Lord says is true about the speed of his response, I certainly hope he is not Craig's alter ego. Just kiddin on that last statement. Craig would never say that unless he ate what he cooked on that video he made the other day.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 6:08 PM
Looking forward to my blue corn planting project this weekend. I'm told that you can't plant on Good Friday because there is blood in the soil. Hmmmm, I guess that day will just have to be the digging day for the project and there certainly may end up being some blood in the soil after I do that. I hope I have enough pain pills left for the project.
I already bought a little board to write a sign for my LC C-Bob experimental blue corn patch.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 6:16 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217322
Poor bird! Shame he has to be dragged into court, but I hope he'll be allowed to speak for himself.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 6:34 PM
For everyone at TM...
Here's a link to check to see if your infected with the Conficker virus.
This link came from work and will let you know if your computer is infected or not. The link is safe so check it out.
If you are infected find out how to clean your machine. You may have to go on a clean system to get the information you need to clean it off your system from your anti virus programs site.
http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection_test/cfeyechart.html
Have a good day.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| April 7, 2009 6:35 PM
Hey,I feel cheated,,,,,what no
(^_~) after that last post?,,but funny
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217327
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 6:40 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217329
'cuz I was being serious.... (^_~)
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 6:42 PM
Carol,
In case you missed it and you're interested, watched a new release movie,'"In the Electric Mist'" last week. According to the credits it was filmed entirely in Iberia, St Martins and & St Mary Parishes. It's a murder mystery that I didn't think it was very good. . except TL Jones was okay.
Here's a trailer.
http://tinyurl.com/cpn58w
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 7, 2009 6:48 PM
''cuz I was being serious'
I know serious when I see it,,,,,,,(~/|\~)
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 7:05 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217297
I got no problem with Cosmo; I think he's funny. Sure, he's kind of an ass, but then again, so is Lord Bloggington. I can tell by his diction he's not Craig, and by his proper spelling and grasp of grammatical convention that he surely isn't Brian.
As far as his initial post that was intended to provoke (successfully so), it's nothing any of you haven't heard already. As I've said before, if Sarah Palin is the new standard-bearer for feminism, the movement is in trouble.
Oh, and Patsi...xrep is the smartest guy here; not the dumbest. Kind of ass, though... (insert cute emoticon here)
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 7:28 PM
Glad this is finally in the news. I had originally reported to you all that he was staying in Oak Bluffs, just up the st. from me, then was told that he was to be staying up island where the Clinton's stay. We are now hearing that the Clinton's will be here those two weeks as well. I do hope he stays in OB, I understand OB was one of his largest sources of funds during the campaign.
Barack Obama Martha's Vineyard Bound?
http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2009/04/barack_obama_marthas_vineyard.html
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 7, 2009 7:44 PM
OSH
I hope you make you fortune on those Obama groupies. Charge them all you can.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 8:10 PM
http://www.rr.com/home/home/article/9000/7381137/Vermont_legalizes_gay_marriage_with_veto_override
"Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override"
"To the millions of Americans who care about marriage, we say get ready: President Obama and Democrats will use Vermont as an excuse to overturn the bipartisan federal Defense of Marriage Act," said Brian Brown, executive director of the National Organization for Marriage, which waged a radio campaign against the measure. "The next step is to ask the Supreme Court to impose gay marriage on all 50 states."
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 8:16 PM
Thanks Jack You are probably right,but I usually shot for quantity though. The words of my depression era Mom echoe in my ear whenever I am pricing. I might just hang some sort of banner on my 2nd story porch inviting him in to the shop to have some chocolates named in his honor-he'll have to drive by my house anytime he leaves his rental, pretty sure he'll see it. Please note how well behaved I'm being. l need your address too Jack, I owe you some holy mole!
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 7, 2009 8:21 PM
Congratulations Vermont!!! I'm embarrassed that Oregon isn't there yet..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat
| April 7, 2009 8:22 PM
Yes! Good for Vermont!
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 8:28 PM
Hey Rez, thanks for the link to the movie. The trailer looks pretty interesting and it has some good actors in it. You say it wasn't that good? Most of what I have rented lately hasn't been either. I will probably wait for it to be a renter. I have a hard time sitting still for an in theater movie.
This blog is a little slow tonight. Pick it up. I need something to help me forget my rotten day at work. Did ya'll find something interesting to do or something to watch. Does Cosmo want to stir some more shit?
Yes I know Cosmo was trying to stir shit. It worked. I guess it was a slow news day. I have kind of taken a vacation from the news and giving my innards a rest. The 7-8p hour is a bust anyway except when Craig is on.
And actually the B man could be more than one person writing on this blog. Ever heard of multiple personalities?
Sea, if you see Hillary tell her hi from me and tell her she got my last few dimes for her campaign. She is the only politician that I ever spent money on and most likely the last.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 8:37 PM
The honeymoon's OVER!
"Obama Admin. Seeks Dismissal Of Wiretap Lawsuit"
http://cbs5.com/local/domestic.wiretap.lawsuit.2.977576.html
WTH's the matter with Omama?
Here's the heart of it,
"Unlike the earlier cases, it was filed directly against the government rather than telecommunications companies."
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 7, 2009 8:54 PM
Well, well, well.
To those of you whose blood pressure got jacked up a bit, you’re so predictable.
Let me thank LB & Patd. I think they actually got it. I’ve been away for a few days and glancing at the blog now & then was disappointing. You guys were boring. Time for Cos to light a fire.
To those who thought that I was crude, you don’t know crude. I purposely made it just raunchy enough. Any more would have seemed forced. One thing, I certainly got your juices flowing again.
To set the record straight, I am an avid supporter of NO on prop 8. People say, “Some of my best friends are……, well living 3 miles from West Hollywood, a bunch of my friends are gay, but I somehow don’t notice. I believe in pro choice and every other women’s rights issue. I have perfected the chauvinistic persona for years. Thanks for letting me know I haven’t lost my touch.
I laughed out loud a couple of times today. Thanks for that. As for the unnamed NYer, the only thing I’m channeling right now is the women’s NCAA championship game.
Oh Jack, I crafted that piece after watching Craig on Olbermann. I would have bet money that the new thread would be what it was. Had it not, I would not have hit enter.
Hope you all have a nice night, well almost all.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 8:59 PM
All the music Mavens ... Twitter for music lovers and they give you 150 characters and a recording track Pandora crossed with Twitter: Blip
http://blip.fm
Program your station, chit chat with all your favorited people, hand out awards for song choices of others. Still learning how to use it but it is interesting.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 9:03 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217345
Cosmo, as much as I do enjoy your contributions, the threads here are quite interesting even when you are not around. Get over yourself, my friend.
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 9:11 PM
Craig,
Your threads were just fine. The problem was that the majority of posts were off subject and yes, boring. Don't be touchy, I didn't mean it that way. It wasn't about me. Last month's discussions just seemed more lively.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 9:24 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217343
"She is the only politician that I ever spent money on and most likely the last."
Carol
Same here.......
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 9:27 PM
"got an email chloe?"
Lord B, Just finished reviewing the posts I missed and saw that I missed yours.
chloe at doubt.com
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 9:30 PM
Well Craig,
Besides my bandwidth excesses, perhaps many don't like where you're going with some of these threads. I think they're pretty good observations.
Sorry if the day you bring up NK ballistic missile threats I digress into the "radical" (not really) defense budget I knew Gates would deliver. Biden's remarks today were great. We are now far more secure than we were Nov 1st, 2008.
Anyway, I will shorten it up pr you'll probably avoid some topics altogether.
And by the way, I rather doubt the US could take on British or French sea power before Jefferson built a real transatlantic navy. And our ideas subsequently didn't stop the British from burning down the White House.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 9:35 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217350
Yes, Cosmo, i do get touchy about such broad and dismissive reviews of our threads. Actually I find the less "lively" discourse more enlightening than the three stooges bash fests so common on most blogs.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwirWWnzJKM
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 9:38 PM
" I believe in pro choice and every other women’s rights issue. I have perfected the chauvinistic persona for years. Thanks for letting me know I haven’t lost my touch."
Hmm...how are you doing on your race baiting persona?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 9:45 PM
Craig,
Let me say this again. I never denigrated your threads. I was talking about the lively discussions on this blog, not any other. That was a good thing. When the posts ignore the thread, sometimes it can be repetitive. Don't jump to conclusions. There was no reading between the lines.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 9:46 PM
Patsi.
Just great thanks. About as well as your ignorance persona.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 9:48 PM
Rhubarb Marmalade
INGREDIENTS
6 cups chopped fresh or frozen rhubarb
6 cups sugar
2 medium oranges
DIRECTIONS
Combine rhubarb and sugar in a large heavy saucepan. Grind oranges, including the peels, in a food processor; add to rhubarb mixture. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer, uncovered, stirring often until marmalade sheets from a spoon, about 1 hour.
Pour into hot jars, leaving 1/4-in. headspace. Adjust caps. Process in a boiling-water bath for 10 minutes.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 9:49 PM
... yummy. :)
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 9:54 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217356
all is well then, Cosmo, i overreacted. i get that way about our little nest here.
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 9:55 PM
a bit of advice Cosmo -- do not mess with Patsi, she can skin your hide and feed it to you before you take your next breath
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 9:58 PM
Carol
Glad to see that you are back and posting,,,,,almost did not make it back myself just now,,,,Judy asked me what was on tv,,,,I told her dust,,,she wasn't amused. haha
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 9:59 PM
OK, Cosmo; I can't defend you if you are just going to talk shit on everybody for that reason alone. Your jokes are hacky, by the way.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:03 PM
Obviously if someone has a dissenting opinion from Patsi, they then become a “Race Baiter” or a “Closet Something”. I’m certain that she’ll come up with a slur for all occasions.
Now I understand why she identifies with a Sarah Palin. Sad.
I do admire the fire. Now to point it in the right direction.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:03 PM
The End of Philosophy
By DAVID BROOKS
"Our brain is computing value at every fraction of a second. Everything that we look at, we form an implicit preference. Some of those make it into our awareness; some of them remain at the level of our unconscious, but ... what our brain is for, what our brain has evolved for, is to find what is of value in our environment.”
....People are not discrete units coolly formulating moral arguments. They link themselves together into communities and networks of mutual influence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07Brooks.html?_r=2
nite
Posted by: chloe
| April 7, 2009 10:07 PM
LB,
"Hacky"? I'm not sure what that is.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:08 PM
Figures.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:09 PM
Thanks
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:10 PM
"Now I understand why she identifies with a Sarah Palin. Sad."
LMAO. Sarah Palin can't hold my broomstick.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 10:10 PM
Let's hear more stories about Carlin, since you knew him so well.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:12 PM
Ha, ha . I'll give you that one.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:12 PM
Chloe,,
How are things?,,,E. N. still stretching?,,,I don't agree with that Davis Brooks at all!
Tony,,what's up,,,did you see the window cleaning robot,,,remote controlled from the roof tops of 20-30 story buildings,,cool attachments also,,recycles the water that it uses,,sucking in the water on the windows,,,
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 10:13 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217366
Cosmo, nothing wrong with taking on Patsi. Just "take precautions" as Sherlock Holmes would say to Dr. Watson wihen they needed a revolver. That's all i'm saying.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8IizHBD54I
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:15 PM
LB,
I knew him but not well by any means. We spent several different days and nights together, but spread over a lot of years.
Look, I type with 2 fingers and one of them refuses to listen to me anymore.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:16 PM
Brooks has been a spinning top starting with his first sip of kool aid....lol
Here's a slap at Detroit, though GM wants to get everyone in a segway two-wheeler....
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/04/its-not-a-flyin.html
Sorry Tony...
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 10:16 PM
Mind powers, Swede. Mind powers.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:17 PM
Craig,
Point taken.
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:17 PM
OK, Chloe; I sent you my song. It was supposed to be for Julia, but oh well...
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:20 PM
LB,
One of these days I'll rattle off a couple of funny anecdotes about George. I met him when I was in Detroit for a few days in 1965 and caught him doing his act at the RoosterTail Club. He was doing his hysterical "Wonderful WINO" & Hal Sleet, your Hippy Dippy weatherman.
Good Times
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:25 PM
"Craig, Point taken. -- Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC"
As you might have noticed, i made sure to work in Patsi''s point on Countdown about women unfairly held to a higher standard than men for parenting skills. I try to stay out of her doghouse, best i can.
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:26 PM
Start contriving them now and you should have all the inconsistencies worked out by then. Looking forward to it!
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:28 PM
Cute Solar, I only have dust on my TV also. Yes I have been dropping in waiting to be educated or entertained.
Patsi, I looked all through your recipe to see if there were any testicles included in the ingredients then I realized it was a actual recipe. Oh well.
I have been stuck on the end of my phone listening to one of my nurses bitch about things I have tried four years to fix and finally realized it was not possible. That just extended my rotten day. Now I have to meditate to get my peace back. Time for bed and sweet unconsciousness with the little Maggie and her dirty sock toy by my side.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 10:28 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217382
I noticed that, Craig. I had what I believed to be a humorous observation regarding the response your comment garnered, but as I said, I don't want to jeopardize your Utz supply.
You should eat what KGC tells you to, seriously. If you can kick the butts, you can change your diet. After abstaining from putting crap in your body for two weeks, you'll never miss junk food again.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:31 PM
Make cheese, oil, and refined flour your enemies.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:33 PM
"Rhubarb Marmalade"
Patsi, first time I've heard of your concoction. Sounds very interesting. Have you experimented adding a lemon as part of the citrus?
I'm glad you don't add pectin; I always prefer boiling my jams and jellies
for as long as it takes to make a proper gel.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 10:34 PM
Make friends with legumes, whole grains, and mesclun.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:34 PM
LB
Out for dinner. Let me leave you with a tidbit of advice.
“Don't get lost in the mist or else you won't have the foggiest idea where you are.”
Later
Posted by: COSMOdeCRITIC
| April 7, 2009 10:35 PM
Take precautions....
I like it.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 7, 2009 10:36 PM
Later, hack.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:37 PM
Craig I could tell last night that you were aware that the TMers were watching and that you had to be careful what you said. You did good or it may have been your testicles in Patsi's marmalade. LOL
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 10:37 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217386
oh my, Lord, one vice at a time, please. two weeks without cigarettes, please let me have my potato chips for now
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:38 PM
"I looked all through your recipe to see if there were any testicles "
LOL
Good one
Carol
On that one I'm going to bed.
BTW how are you feeling, are the thyroid levels coming down?
Or are all the inmates going "thank god her shift is over"?
OSH
I'll send you an email in the morning, I want to order some stuff too. I've been telling the wife about the holy mole. She wants to try it.
Comos,
I had that one figured out but I didn't realise I had speculated on it out loud,
Night all
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 10:38 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217393
your are correct madam'alade
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:39 PM
No, Craig, because now you are most vulnerable to the temptations of poor diet. Potato chips are actually pretty nutritious, though, so chomp away on them. Like I said, if you can cut out the oil, cheese, and refined flour, you can get away with some junk. I like chips myself. And soda. And chocolate.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:42 PM
Craig, you gonna add Carol's modification to the recipe file?
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 10:43 PM
The Warrior Diet -fasting and eating breaking up the insulin cycle from energy burning day... Hofmeckler
Interesting dude. He also drew those political cartoons in Penthouse years back. Former Israeli seal and weight lifting champ.
Anyway what the Roman soldier used. A relative fast until 3 pm and then as much "good" food as you want.
There is a good science behind this.
And don't forget key suppliments
Saw Palmetto
B complex
Q 10
Fish oil
Dhea
horse chestnut for runners
baby asprin
multivitamins without iron
And those are just the basics for men over forty........
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 10:45 PM
Jack, the inmates actually calm me down. Medical is actually the only place where they are treated as human with real problems. It is the rest of the bullshit that gives me the grief.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 10:45 PM
yes i fill flatus
next i must navigate the gay marriage issue for 9am MSNBC hit tomorrow, any advice on that one from the tribal council here assembled?
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:46 PM
"Sounds very interesting. Have you experimented adding a lemon as part of the citrus?"
No....I'm very partial to oranges and rhubarb....I put orange marmalade in my rhubarb pie.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 10:47 PM
I was, after all, a Betty Crocker Homemaker of Tomorrow winner in 1962.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 10:48 PM
Your Lordship
That is why I only eat fries at Bryants. They don't use oil to fry them. They use pure lard. Then get a BBQ pork shoulder sandwich with nice strips of fat meat to keep it juicy. And a cold mug of budwieser.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 10:50 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217382
Go with your gut, dude. You're the pundit; we're the pundit wanna-bes.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:51 PM
"Craig, you gonna add Carol's modification to the recipe file? -- Posted by: Flatus"
Flatus, i am confused, where is that recipe, not finding it?
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:52 PM
olive oil is okay, broccoli, pomegranate juice, blue berries, dark chocolate, red wine, deep sea fish, garlic, oats, tomato, carrots, ........beans! soy in moderation..........
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 10:52 PM
Mmmm...BBQ. Lord Bloggington will chow down on some KC BBQ, as well. You're full of it, though, Jack. I saw that picture. You look to be in-shape.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:53 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217408
Every kind of oil, even that derived from olives, has over 1000 calories per cup. I'd rather spend those on chocolate or chips.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:54 PM
oops, that is multi minerals without iron....
not that anyone is following this....hhmmm perhaps I need to post a RELLY BIG post.
just kiddin.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 10:55 PM
"Go with your gut, dude. You're the pundit; we're the pundit wanna-bes. -- Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com"
well, my gut is that i am against state meddling in any relationship, straight or gay. why the hell would any couple want the government to sanction their union. none of its business, as far as i'm concerned
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:55 PM
Craig, gay marriage will eventually become a reality when the people in this world become evolved enough to realize gay people are just people with the same needs/wants as everyone else.
It is not a threat to anyone else's marriage unless people are afraid that if given a choice their spouse may change teams if that option was available.
Posted by: ct
| April 7, 2009 10:55 PM
I forced myself to watch the clip you posted above, and your original observations were good. The bone you threw to Patsi fell flat, like the one you threw that champ character (though I'm sure they both appreciated it). Clear your mind, grasshopper. This blog doesn't exist when you're on camera.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 10:59 PM
Yes, Patsi, I can see how marmalade would temper rhubarb's rough edges.
My jams and jellies are eclectic. If it's plum jam, I'll go to the market and choose plums depending on how my taste buds are at that particular time. Same with marmalade, I'll usually add a grapefruit and will generally use a couple of different kinds of oranges.
I don't take the pits out of the plum jams until after the cooking is over. And I try using just a hint of water when preparing the boil--just enough to keep the fruit from scalding. Speeds the process as there's less water to boil off.
Your recipe still has my appetite whetted!
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 10:59 PM
Oh, you're worried about the calories, then do the Warrior diet and fast most of the day (alittle low cal cheating is okay).
Who drinks a cup of oil? The cookies are loaded with...eh...LARD, sugar, oil etc. A few teaspoons to get that stri fry going is okay. Or a bit in salad dressing.
Remember, most people here need about 1000 calories a day to just keep basal metabolism going -more in the winter.
Have more sex and then eat those cookies. I suggest Chocolate Obsession (soy ice cream with chunks of chocolate.)
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 11:00 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217374
Hi Solar
No I didn't see it sounds interesting though.Do you have a link?
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 11:02 PM
Craig, gay men have made my pool of exotic women much larger over the years. My only sticking point is that society isn't abnormal to promote hetrosexual relationships ahead of homosexual ones. It does reflect our biological reality. It isn't about phobia for me.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 11:04 PM
Oh, I've got the body of a Greek god, Max. Thanks, though.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:05 PM
"Clear your mind, grasshopper. This blog doesn't exist when you're on camera. -- Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com"
ha, and that's why you are The Lord of Bloggington. probably good advice,
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:07 PM
I think the only reason they want the government to sanction their union is for benefits?
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 7, 2009 11:07 PM
Tony,,,it was on the science channel,How did they make that,I think was the name of it,what happen to solarman?
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 11:08 PM
Craig
just the need for the family unit contract that civil law provides with marriage. Being married provides benefits and obligations.
My thought is let the state issue civil union agreements
Let marriage be the religious and social part of a relationship.
As far as I concerned, what ever arrangement that consenting adults want to enter into should be legal.
There are many poly arrangements that need the protection of law too.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 11:08 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217377
Hey Max
Thanks for the link! Slap away at GM.Hopefully if they survive this experience will make them more cutting edge and prosperous.....
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 11:09 PM
It's in the best interest of a state to promote heterosexual, child-producing couples. Gay men and Lesbian women don't beget little soldiers. That's why homosexuals have faced persecution throughout history and across cultures. In the old days, if your tribe didn't produce enough replacements for itself, that other tribe from across the hills came over and kicked your ass.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:09 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217418
majority rule doesn't mean minorities don't exist, maxtrue
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:09 PM
Good LB, then the Warrior Diet is just for you. Have no fear of the olive, stay fit with your harem of concubines.
The idea is that soldiers faought during the day and kept from triggering the insulin cycle with eating. The fast triggers genetic factors for survival that science now thinks increases immunity and regeneration. Then after the slaughter you eat and relax, building up energy in your liver over night for use during the following day.
There you go. You won't have to read the book. I guess Roman soldiers farted alot. They ate lots of beans.
Also a bit of wine in the water kept the bacteria down.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 11:10 PM
"It's in the best interest of a state to promote heterosexual, child-producing couples... -- posted by lord-blogginton"
true enough when society needed population -- not true anymore
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:13 PM
maxtrue:
The problem with your argument is that it starts with a premise that says the government should "promote" a certain type of relationship.
And then you determine which relationship to promote based on a value judgment.
I don't care whether your value judgment is based on biology, tradition, etc. - it is still a dangerous process for the govt to get into.
I think the government should regulate relationships that we don't want - like abusive relationship, relationships between children and adults, etc.
Let the people decide the rest for themselves.
(Which to me seems like a more conservative idea that some of what comes out of the far right....)
Posted by: warren
| April 7, 2009 11:13 PM
Craig you confuse (forgive this suggestion) a political concept with a biological one. Gay couples don't reproduce which runs counter to basic evolutionary imperitives. No matter how free we think our political system can be, we are not free from our biology and it would be quite strange for a heterosexually reproducing group not to advance the very means for their survival. Just look around and see how much our animal/biolgical nature is in free flight.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 11:14 PM
"I don't take the pits out of the plum jams until after the cooking is over."
Very interesting....any reason other than ease?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 11:15 PM
"I think the only reason they want the government to sanction their union is for benefits? -- Posted by: tiptoe"
if a union is dependent on government benefits, it's not worth uniting
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:15 PM
Hey, This lab rat really does have to get to bed.
Later
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 7, 2009 11:16 PM
Craig, I thought the Vermont override most interesting. Seems as if the general population is leading the way there. And, contrast that with California.
So far as the state meddling, once marriage is allowed (but not mandated) then couples can describe their relationships in any terms they wish up to and including marriage. That certainly makes actions such as those occurring in New England consistent with your desire to have states mind their own business.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 11:17 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217422
Solarman,
Oh I didn't forget...I just toss it your way when the mood strikes me...Smiling I am...I will have to give that a look on the DVR guide....
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 11:18 PM
"basic evolutionary imperitives" -- posted by maxtrue
that is human arrogance, to think that the world is better off with more of us -- history suggests otherwise
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:19 PM
Max,Champ
I sure am enjoying your input on diet.Max I already take all those supplements you mentioned but why the multi with no iron?
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 11:20 PM
Patsi, I think not removing them adds depth to the flavor.
Posted by: Flatus
| April 7, 2009 11:20 PM
Supplements are a scam, tony. Get your nutrients from food.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:21 PM
Hmm, Flatus....I can see how that might be so...and will try it with plum jam.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 11:27 PM
LB
I agree through food is the best way but I sometimes don't eat enough fruits and vegetables.I take supplements as a kind of insurance policy....I was always told what the body doesn't use it will dispose of through urinating....
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 7, 2009 11:28 PM
By the way, dragging procreation into whether or not gays should be able to marry is ridiculous. Craig is right -- we don't need the extra population anyway -- plus, what's next, people past child bearing age cannot marry? Anyone who is sterile?
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 11:29 PM
"dragging procreation into whether or not gays should be able to marry is ridiculous."
Only within your 20th century liberal paradigm.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:32 PM
hey lord....what about the accepted and integrated homosexuality in the greatest fighting unit known until that time......sparta......and for that matter in all of ancient greece?
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 11:32 PM
The reason that most people that are anti gay,,is cos of religion,,,that's why the R's run so strongly on it,,,this one issue is all that they used to need in order to get elected to office.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 11:33 PM
Warren, I would suggest that political theory and even morality is informed by our existential awareness. Our observation as how society promotes cooperation for example is so distorted by popular culture we fail to see why cooperation is tough to get today. We breath, we eat, we fart, we mate. Our awareness of the laws of nature lift us from mental slavery. When our flights of fancy go beyond law we ascend into another kind of slavery. We are creatures of flesh and blood that reproduce. Life informs our values and political theories no matter how you slice it. Any social orpolitical arrangement that ignores our basic biological programming and drives is doomed to disconnect the quested for ideal from realism. That we are reproducing animals is quite different than your liking Coke or being opposed to Pepsi. What's next> A man who wants to marry their goat? Hey, I'm cool with that, but not marriage and frankly civil laws don't apply to goats.
You get the point. I said nothing about gays enjoying civil protections, but if you think government has no right in promoting a view consistent with basic human biology, you run the risk in those common values that unites us being diminished. We will end up creating a world gravely inconsistent with the natural laws that created it. Gays are part of the natural world. Their genes are here because they MUST contribute to our fittness as a species. They are however a biological minority and I think it quite reasonable for society to promote an essential quality of who we are in a seriously fundemental sense.
And phobia has nothing to do with it. The people would nationalize the banks and come home tomorrow from Iraq if they could. That wouldn't make it right.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 11:34 PM
I'm no student of history, Sturge, (you'd have to ask xrep), but from what I understand, the majority of homosexuality in ancient Greece was pederastic.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:35 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217434
Flatus, i simply do not think government should automatically regulate any personal relationship as a unique legal concept, unless a couple chooses to create a legally binding contract no different from any other commercial agreement
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:40 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/palin-family-feud.html#comment-217411
Actually, Max, quite informative and impressively succinct. Thanks...
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:41 PM
Oops! Employee flips boss' borrowed Ferrari
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30091127/?GT1=43001
Something tells me she was putting in some overtime.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:43 PM
Tony
I think that the best way to find out if you are deficient of any vitamin,,is to have a check up,,,foods are the best way ,,and if you must,,a multi vitamin,,,when you urinate,,what it does is cleanse your system of toxic,,if you overload your body with unneeded pills,,they too become toxic,,don't over do the pills. Check into juicing fruits,,with some veggies,,for your need of extra vitamins and energy,,later
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 7, 2009 11:45 PM
Pats, YOU might find reproductive biology unimportant in a discussion of gay rights, but many disagree. To claim this is purely religious is also a debatable generalization. We have a very long way to go before we escape biology, if ever we can. We were designed for earth's gravity, to mate and make babies, to organize and create, to think as an adaptive strategy. This underlines what we are no matter how strong our sense of unique conciousness or concept of equality. We live and we die and the marvelous charms and traits were achieved by myriads of generations evolving under the axe of selection. Darwin is not dead. How can our biology not inform our ethics, our morality, our traditions and values? What goes on in Sudan and Iran, NK and elsewhere is an affront to Life, to the principle of life.
Life as we have been conceived requires begetting. In fact, Roe is based on personhood being defined as naturally viable out side the womb. If we erase biology then a father has as much right as a mother to be determining abortion. Biology is all around us, in the ecology of the world. '
Well, that's just a thought so put the safety back on your gun....
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 7, 2009 11:45 PM
oh....pederastic.....i stand corrected.......
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 11:46 PM
"Actually, Max, quite informative and impressively succinct. Thanks..."
ROFL -- I was just going to say, "Learn to get to the point with about a third of the words."
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 11:47 PM
in other words, marriage as a separate and unique legal, civil or governmental concept should not even exist. basic and generic contract law should apply, if couples so choose.
can i say that on cable? or better to keep my trap shut?
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:47 PM
Sorry Max -- but sometimes you remind me of a college student trying to extend a one page idea into the required ten page essay.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 7, 2009 11:52 PM
You remind me of the teacher who's pissed off at the student that's smarter than them.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:54 PM
NEW THREAD at midnight -- i am off to finish watching Nicole Kidman in "Australia" -- good movie
Posted by: craigcrawford.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:55 PM
well, of course I am disgruntled that youre so much smarter than me but still you didnt answer my question, really........
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 7, 2009 11:57 PM
oh, that was for Patsi, Sturge; not you. Sorry.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 7, 2009 11:58 PM
maxtrue:
"You get the point. I said nothing about gays enjoying civil protections, but if you think government has no right in promoting a view consistent with basic human biology, you run the risk in those common values that unites us being diminished. We will end up creating a world gravely inconsistent with the natural laws that created it."
This sounds impressive - but what the heck does it mean in real life.... I mean can you give some practical examples - other than gay marriage - to put it into context?
I think "common values" come from the people - not the government.
I think it is gravely inconsistent to say that we are going to set up a complex system of laws regarding behavior we want to encourage and discourage in an effort to stay consistent with natural law. (In other words the Native Americans did not have anything like the Code of Federal Regulations - and I think they lived more consistent with natural law.)
It seems to me that a society that exists peacefully and cooperatively without a bunch of laws trying to regulate every facet of our behavior would be much more natural.
Look - I get that we need laws. (insert lawyer joke here ; ) But laws regarding marriage - which is a personal relationship - should be kept to a minimum and should not restrict or discourage - or make any more difficult for that matter - the union between two consenting adults that want to spend their lives together.
Posted by: warren
| April 8, 2009 12:00 AM
Craig, I said that gays should enjoy civil protection, but "marriage" as a symbolic label sustaining our biological reality should be reserved for heterosexuals.It does sound unfair in a social sense, but quite rational ina sociobiological one.
Now don't get me started because I think not every heterosexual couple should have a right to reproduce. And I wouldn't argue that gay couples whethered "married" or "civil partners" should not be allowed to adopt. In fact, soon enough science will find a way to fertilize two male sets of chromosomes into a female embyro devoid of the female's genes. Then a surrogate could give birth to a child which both gay partners contributed to. The mitochondria of the embryo would still have the female's mitochodrian genes. Every mitochondria in both boys and girls come from the mother which is how we can determine many amazing things like EVE from Africa. So the child between two men would be a bit abnormal in the sense that three different people would have to contribute genes. I can't wait for that political arguement. Can two men be allowed to mate? And it will be easier for two women to mate with no need for a third genetic party. Becareful Pats. Mechanical woms will radically change the order of things,
Anyway, yes civil partners but yes for hetero marriage as a reflection of our biological and still very important human nature. One can't assimilate diverse people into a national unity without a sense of a cultrual norm. The Left often fancies cultural relativism, but today Biden blasted the new Afghanistani martial laws.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 8, 2009 12:03 AM
my annual chaucerian tidbit:
Here bygynneth the Book
of the tales of canturbury:
1: Whan that aprill with his shoures soote
2: The droghte of march hath perced to the roote,
3: And bathed every veyne in swich licour
4: Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
5: Whan zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
6: Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
7: Tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
8: Hath in the ram his halve cours yronne,
9: And smale foweles maken melodye,
10: That slepen al the nyght with open ye
11: (so priketh hem nature in hir corages);
12: Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,
13: And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,
14: To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
15: And specially from every shires ende
16: Of engelond to caunterbury they wende,
17: The hooly blisful martir for to seke,
18: That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 8, 2009 12:04 AM
Thank God; no more Chaucer until 2010.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 8, 2009 12:06 AM
Just kidding; I like Chaucer.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 8, 2009 12:06 AM
Here begins the Book
of the Tales of Canterbury
1: Whan that aprill with his shoures soote
2: The droghte of march hath perced to the roote,
3: And bathed every veyne in swich licour
4: Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
5: Whan zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
6: Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
7: Tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
8: Hath in the ram his halve cours yronne,
9: And smale foweles maken melodye,
10: That slepen al the nyght with open ye
11: (so priketh hem nature in hir corages);
12: Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,
13: And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,
14: To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
15: And specially from every shires ende
16: Of engelond to caunterbury they wende,
17: The hooly blisful martir for to seke,
18: That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke. When April with his showers sweet with fruit
The drought of March has pierced unto the root
And bathed each vein with liquor that has power
To generate therein and sire the flower;
When Zephyr also has, with his sweet breath,
Quickened again, in every holt and heath,
The tender shoots and buds, and the young sun
Into the Ram one half his course has run,
And many little birds make melody
That sleep through all the night with open eye
(So Nature pricks them on to ramp and rage)-
Then do folk long to go on pilgrimage,
And palmers to go seeking out strange strands,
To distant shrines well known in sundry lands.
And specially from every shire's end
Of England they to Canterbury wend,
The holy blessed martyr there to seek
Who helped them when they lay so ill and weal
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 8, 2009 12:07 AM
Craig:
"in other words, marriage as a separate and unique legal, civil or governmental concept should not even exist. basic and generic contract law should apply, if couples so choose.
can i say that on cable? or better to keep my trap shut?"
I think you are going down a good road with this one. You can probably say it on cable once you flesh it out a bit more.
I think one obvious answer to many of the points raised on the pro-gay marriage side is the slippery slope argument., i.e., you need to draw the line somewhere or people will marry goats.
I think it is crazy to burden the lives of millions of individuals based on the far-off notion that it will lead to the one guy in Canada who wants to marry a goat to actually follow through.'
But actually no your contract idea is making even more sense. It deals with all these slippery slope arguments.
A man can't enter into a contract with a goat or a minor and marriage is an exclusive contract between two people. Case closed.
Posted by: warren
| April 8, 2009 12:07 AM
An example Warren. I posted it here long ago. Studies of both primates but more importantly man, shows that altruistic cooperation is largely affected by the degree we enforce rules and punish offenders. The UN is a prefect example of how not to creat cooperation. They do not enforce the very rules that are meant to promote cooperation.
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/19/7047.full
http://www.pnas.org/content/100/6/3531.full
Also, our agriculture does not reflect sound ecological principles. We pollute the water and create annuals that deplete the soil.
The idea that one party control through a central government is not consistent with the governance of diversity which our founders thought would be best reflected in Federalism and the resounding message of the 2nd amendment. There is nothing save the insects and certain fungi that resembles the political end state of one worlders. And bees are in trouble.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 8, 2009 12:11 AM
beware those in whom the instinct to punish is powerful.....
-neech
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 8, 2009 12:14 AM
i once lived with a goat oncet but fahcrissakes we never got married.....
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 8, 2009 12:16 AM
andshe was one pretty goat.................
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 8, 2009 12:21 AM
Warren suggestions would lead to several men or women forming a marriage. And since when did contracts (can they be renegotiated) reflect the seriousness of the bond of marriage or biological reality?
Forget the goats Warren, how about the affect on the evolution of culture? Next you'll be suggesting we change what is a dominate or recessive gene. You want to impose your political theories upon what informs reason. And who is to say at what age a person can marry? Let me guess....the people!
And don't fear gay marriage. I fear how far we move from the real biological dialectic. The further we run towards what we think is liberating, the more we ignore the very imperitives, desires, drives that propel our civilization. Frankly I am saddened that we put so much effort into gay marriage here as women and children around the world are abused. Not less than many black friends are irritated that gay rights are compared to slavery. And California's propostion results reflected that.
The idea that marriage is just a contract will alienate many people Craig. It is about love and commitment and usual the preconditon for starting a family. I would argue only that civil marriage is sufficient to protect certain rights. Marriage is a term normally thought of as a coupling between opposite sexes often leading to reproduction and the obligatory sustaining of the gene pool.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 8, 2009 12:27 AM
The idea that marriage is just a contract will alienate many people Craig. It is about love and commitment and usual the preconditon for starting a family.
-max true
so divorce is just a song by tammy wynette......and all those divorces just never happened....notthig to see....just move along........
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 8, 2009 12:31 AM
And yet neech said our values were created from the pain and suffering of a thousand generations. It was the punishing reality of success and failure, evolution that gave rise to the Uberman who are above law. They create law.
Maybe that puts your quote in some prespective.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 8, 2009 12:34 AM
The divorce rate, family abuse reflect a pathology both on the part of the couple and a society that tempts married couples. Financial stress also tears families apart. Yes, there is divorce, but that happens when the couple no longers wants to be married, not when because of the terms of the contract.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 8, 2009 12:39 AM
Well, I'm arguing in two threads at once. Time to hang it up. A pleasant evening to you all.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 8, 2009 12:44 AM
Post A Comment