Craig tries to persuade MSNBC's Keith Olbermann to get excited about the First Pooch (4/14).
The Presidential Pet Slideshow
From our best-of-breed researchers at CQ Politics
Craig tries to persuade MSNBC's Keith Olbermann to get excited about the First Pooch (4/14).
The Presidential Pet Slideshow
From our best-of-breed researchers at CQ Politics
Comments
Dogs, huh?
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 12:01 AM
PETA sucks, by the way. Worst advocacy group there is. With all the human suffering in the world, they get all worked up over dogs. Screw PETA.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 12:08 AM
I see a change...is this the pundit Crawford as a kid, in the following photo?
http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs12/alfalfa1.jpg
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 12:48 AM
...and according to George Stephanopolous, this guy:
http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs12/alfalfa1.jpg
and this guy:
http://web.bu.edu/washjocenter/graphics/eventpics/chucktodd.jpg
were separated at birth...I agree!!
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 12:54 AM
messed that up big time...
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/original/RWarren.jpg
is the guy who's Chuck Todd's twin.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 12:56 AM
I am simply delighted that Taft's Pauline the Cow made it to the Big Show !! We had a lot of fun with her after Craig's Cow Theme Comments series.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 1:08 AM
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, BUT...
I am less than enthralled by the doings of my Canine-American fellow citizens.
Gimme the bird.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 1:16 AM
Xrep - she probably will be safer in jail. A legal pundit was talking re the possibility of a defense being insanity simply because it is so unusual for w woman esp one with a child to do such a thing.
We're seeing a lot of the news about this because this is pretty much in the bay area so you know every local station is on it. It's just the way the officials talk that is so different - one guy basically said that everyone who is going to be arrested has been arrested. huh???
Why would he say that - what was it in answer to?
They have apparently done a very good by-the-book investigation on this, so maybe they're just being careful not to sully the case before trial.
What I don't get is that there is tape of the little girl supposedly leaving the house where this woman was and skipping and playing. When did this murder happen then?
Jamie - I think they've done a great job with Grace, but last night's was very powerful and jarring. I like the characters and I like Grace, too. Last night's show just coincided with news stories about possible death penalty cases and it created a new dimension to the debate re the death penalty, made it much more human. At least that was the reaction from me. I kept cutting away for 30 seconds or so toward the end, when he was taking the shower and so on, but I did watch the end.
Posted by: bethyboo
| April 15, 2009 3:16 AM
LordB - all signs point to my being alive cuz I did laugh.
I've been meaning to say that i have been so thrilled st the silence from the White House over the hostage situation while it was on-going. No bluster, no juvenile
bombast, no cowboy taunts. I didn't even realize it till it was over, and I thought, Now that's the way we do things. Then I realized we haven't been doing things our way for eight years.We've been acting like professional wrestling.
I have a feeling that the whole world heard the silence from the WH, and enjoyed it.
Posted by: bethyboo
| April 15, 2009 3:33 AM
I think you are so right, Bethy -- Obama's lack of Bush's bluster is refreshing.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 15, 2009 6:08 AM
patsi, bethy, isn't it great to be picking on a president about something other than tapping phones, torture, dumping pollution rules, robbing the poor to give to the rich, and screwing up the language.
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 6:32 AM
Absolutely, patd. Although now I see Joe Scarborough and Mike Barnacle trying to rachet up a controversy about that new Homeland Security report on domestic terrorism. I am REALLY starting to get sick of news twisting.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 15, 2009 6:44 AM
baby step forward
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7999777.stm
and a big one backward
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/15/afghan-women-protest
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 6:46 AM
re video shots of bo
looks like he was busy sniffing out all the stuff left at the wh by the last administration.
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 6:55 AM
Would you prefer your tea with milk or lemon, darling?
(I still think the real conspiracy is the whole "Malia has allergies" story. Clearly, she is being scapegoated. It's Sascha who has allergies.)
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 15, 2009 7:36 AM
Every kid needs a dog. I swore off having a dog many moons ago but with a new kid I have a new dog. Jack Russell is the dogs make & model. Saw were Pa. Gov. is wanting a ban on assault rifles which is something we do need to get rid of. But people are afraid & rightly so because by watching the recent ban on atv's & small motorcycles for anyone under 12 is a great example of the law being fitted to a select special interest groups. Wonder who has the power to interpret laws & make them stick in such a way?
Posted by: buford.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 7:45 AM
bowing to power
http://experts.foreignpolicy.com/
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 7:48 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219703
"Wonder who has the power to interpret laws & make them stick in such a way?"
Buford, wouldn't it be kind of a two-step process? Like the statute assigning executive responsibility for carrying out the intent of the law to a specific agency, and then that agency writing the administrative law to accomplish that end?
But, it certainly requires a chief exec who won't pull the rug out from under the agency head, and an agency head who has the gumption to do the 'right thing'.
Posted by: flatus.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 7:57 AM
osh.....the latest in the battle of the big tree:
http://charleston.net/news/2009/apr/14/former_owner_weighs_on_controversy78552/
St. Elmo 'Speedy' Felkel used to own the Angel Oak tree on Johns Island. He said the greatest threat to the tree is not a development planned on adjacent land, but the proximity of Angel Oak Road.
On Monday, he tiptoed into the controversy swirling around the famous live oak and a large development called Angel Oak Village planned on adjacent land, at Maybank Highway and Bohicket Road.
**************************************************
When speedy "tiptoes" somewhere there is usually a dollar or two for speedy........lol..........ie, the game is afoot.......
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 8:14 AM
Golly, I like Bob Kerrey:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/opinion/l15newschool.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
Posted by: flatus.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:23 AM
Sturge-thanks for the post. Sure hope it is sorted out. There are real idiots in the comment section saying "It's just a tree", but fortunately they are the minority.
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 15, 2009 9:02 AM
Another good appearance by Craig, he really is a step above the rest- always offering little known interesting political trivia, a good quirky sense of humor balanced by his thoughtful perspective which isn't cut from the same media or Party cloth.
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 15, 2009 9:14 AM
Like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack----
"Lawmakers post earmarks online, but good luck finding them"
A course in "creative writing" for quite a few.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66146.html
Posted by: Coreen
| April 15, 2009 9:20 AM
osh....i predict that whatever happens it will fall "the city's" way.....there will be the tree, and there will be the development..............what the protesters will accomplish will be to try and force the developer to take as many precautions for the tree as possible.......
but it's very interesting to watch....especially when speedy enters the fray..........
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 9:21 AM
http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/entires/clinton_digital_town_hall_americas/
"Secretary Clinton To Conduct Digital Town Hall of the Americas"
"Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will conduct Digital Town Hall of the Americas, a live web-based discussion, from the Dominican Republic on Friday, April 17, 2009, in anticipation of the Fifth Summit of the Americas to be held April 17-19 in Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago. The event will provide an opportunity for Secretary Clinton to launch a conversation with citizens from across the Western Hemisphere to discuss the Summit’s themes of securing our citizens’ future by promoting human prosperity, energy security and environmental sustainability, as well as the situation in Haiti, where she will visit and attend meetings on Thursday, April 16."
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 15, 2009 9:44 AM
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/04/15/tea_parties/index.html
"Party like it's 1995!"
"Just in time for this day of massive protest, Gallup released a poll showing that 61 percent of Americans believe the income taxes they paid this year are "fair," and more Americans now say the amount they pay is "just right" than "too high" -- one of the most pro-tax outcomes since Gallup began polling on this question in 1956. Great timing, Tea Partiers! Way to have your fingers on the nation's pulse."
Posted by: tonyb39
| April 15, 2009 9:48 AM
Sturge- I imagine you are probably right about the outcome. Speedy does indeed seem like a character. One poster said that he use to cut off it for firewood. Is that apparent when looking at the tree?
Posted by: oldseahag
| April 15, 2009 10:06 AM
Flatus, It was misrepresented & then missinterpreted ,we just wanted rid off the toxic toddler toys. If they expect us to really have faith in the gov. then they shouldn't be twisting our intentions into something we don't want.
Posted by: buford.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:08 AM
important question of the day:
can one freeze jelly beans and recover them successfully a year later?
am over run with bunny droppings of all sort.
any creative ideas as to constructive use or disposal of same?
help.
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 10:42 AM
nasa to colbert: no, but....
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/04/nasa-names-trea.html
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 10:53 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219718
patd --
The jelly beans will keep no matter where you keep 'em. Just don't eat them for breakfast. Eat the leftover eggs instead!
http://blogs.wsj.com/juggle/2009/04/14/eating-breakfast-may-help-you-lose-weight/
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:56 AM
Mornin'
I hate April 15th (although it is my sis' birthday). The tea party thing might have had a little better response in asy, Washington DC where there actually is taxationwithout representation. And I did get a huge laugh when I saw someone pouring Galliker's sweetened ice tea from a gallon jug into (I think) Boston Harbor this morning. Doesn't really have the same impact as dressing up like a NA, storming a frigate and dumping cases of tea into the harbor, but hey, people were bolder back then I guess.
I can;t watch the video, so what the hell is PETA yapping about this time? Do they think Michell is going to have Bo made into fur collars when he dies or something? Sheesh.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:57 AM
buford, what is the special interest group (and god I hate that term) who benefits from having kids off ATVs? I assume that in PA the legislature passed the law, DMV wrote regs to implement it (if the legis. required that) and the PA law enforcement guys are left to enforce it. At least that's the way it works here in WV.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:03 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219721
Pogo --
We missed you. Nothing sweeter than Milo's.
(^_~)
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:06 AM
Ivy, thanks - I've been doing home maintenance 101 in Garret County Maryland and didn't have access to a computer or the time to use one for the past couple of days after a lovely weekend doing taxes (like I said - I hate April 15). Sweet tea - what's not to like?
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:15 AM
There appears to be two styles of grooms for the PWD, "Lion" and "Retriever." Seems Bo is wearing the Retriever clip. Hope they keep it. The other style looks like a poodle.
http://www.pwdca.org/activities/conformation/grooming/
He can't swim? Who's going to teach him? Does he need to learn?
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:16 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219724
Garrett County - been there a few times...that's a lonnnggg way out there from the rest of Maryland...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_County,_Maryland
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:22 AM
Ivy, Milo's is kind of a family tradition in my family. My uncle had a construction company that used to be located in the 1000 block of 24th ave - 4 blocks from Milo's. It was his favorite lunch place until he moved the office to Irondale. My sis lives near the Homewood location, and we eat there at least a couple of times if I'm in town more than a couple of days (same can be said of Dreamland, btw). I'm sure the Milos Famous Sweet Tea in the jug is fine (Barber's is the milk I drank as a kid ), but it can't be as good as the freshly brewed sweet tea you get in any hamburger joint (like Milo's) or BBQ joint in the south.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:31 AM
Thanks for your input I am trying to understand how these things happen not just harp about them.
Posted by: buford.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:33 AM
Ivy, from my perspective the rest of Maryland is a lonnnngggg way from Garrett County, which is just an hour up the road.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:37 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219727
Pogo --
My first time out-of-town visitors always leave here addicted to Milo's. I load up coolers with jugs for gifts anytime I head north.
Dreamland's banana pudding, by the way, is to die for.
http://www.dreamlandbbq.com/default.aspx?id=2
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:42 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219731
Pogo --
True. They generally wanted little to do with the rest of us, especially politics in Annapolis.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:46 AM
Yeah, that Dreamland BP is a favorite of Little Pogo's (I like the pecan pie). I remember Dreamland from its Tuscaloosa only days - when all you could get there were ribs, rib sandwiches (3 ribs between 2 pieces of white bread) chips, soft drinks beer and candy bars.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:54 AM
Oh, and Garrett County is the Republican hotbed of the panhandle.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:57 AM
I dont think any of them are degrading the American Protesters as they are fox news and the conservative radiocracy........and whom ever picked out that tea-bag thingamajig.........
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 12:08 PM
"so much" should follow "the American Protesters..."
rats
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 12:09 PM
Protestors - right. What a bunch of crap. Maye they can join the Minutmen and kill two birds. I think I'll go to lunch and have iced tea. Wait, that's what I always drink at lunch.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 12:09 PM
who ever picked......rats again
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 12:12 PM
45 comments and it's past noon? What? Everybody doing their taxes? I just filed mine with hours to spare...just gotta drop off a check to the city here, and mail in this new "school district tax" check...hundreds of dollars...as if we need more new taxes...oh well.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 12:13 PM
Today, I am having coffee with lunch to protest the protestors...and I'm probably making just as much of a statement.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 15, 2009 12:21 PM
Wow, a crowd of dozens...who are probably on the Faux payroll.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/04/15/tea_parties_a_test_of_conserva.html?hpid=topnews
Is there an aerial view?
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 15, 2009 12:30 PM
well.... I spent the morning at one of the Tea Parties in NH...... NOT!
of course they have the right to protest..... and we have the right to protest the protesters.... and they the right to protest our protesting their protesting.....
etc. etc...
Ivy.... I'm with you... I hope the Obamas keep the more natural clip for Bo....
poodles are great dogs..... but I HATE the show dog clip....
Arrrf..... Arrrf....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee
| April 15, 2009 12:42 PM
The Million Man March, Code Pink, groups against the war, when seen protesting are said to be voicing their constitutional rights, Democracy in it's truest form. But when the Tea Party demonstrations come along, the Liberal media are calling this a disgrace, sponsored by rich billionaires, FOX TV, Rush Limbaugh etc. Although they have no problem when the events are being sponsored by the likes of a George Soros and Moveon.org, sanction are reported on by the MSNBC. These Liberal media types are trying to spin this event to suggest that "these Americans" want Obama to fail, they are racist, they are millionaires, they are the "RICH". Unfortunately for these limp dicks Liberal media types, this protest is a grassroots organization against wasteful government spending of our tax dollars. So not only will you find Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians protesters, you'll also find Democrats, and Liberals, who believe their tax dollars are being wasted.
Posted by: TruthinReality
| April 15, 2009 12:43 PM
The Portuguese water dog is a cutie pie.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 15, 2009 1:18 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219718
patd
Jelly Bean recipes
http://www.jellybelly.com/fun_stuff/jelly_belly_bean_recipes.aspx
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 1:29 PM
TiR,
I have to agree with you on this one. I think the other networks may be trying to denigrate FOX for glomming on to the TeaParties as "their" event, but there does appear to be obvious bias from both sides in the way the reporting is being handled.
Should the FOX "celebrities" have jumped on it the way they did? I think the run up to Iraq War would have been a more important issue to protest. However, they're working in a competitive business. If this plays to their audience and increases their ratings, it will have accomplished someone's goal.
The opposing networks need to find a middle ground and report from there. Would they not report scores and highlights from Sunday or Monday night football because those games were broadcast by another network?
Posted by: EdVB
| April 15, 2009 1:39 PM
TIR
Those tea parties are about as "grass roots" as a Fox News commercial. I tuned to them for a few minutes and you have to wonder what rock these people live under to be that out of touch with the real world.
To hear them talk the Feds are going to be hunting down these millions of patriots for immediate incarceration. The fear and hatred is so pervasive as to be scary.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 1:45 PM
I really wanted to pick on Craig for the turn his career seemed to take on Tuesday. He started the day with a comedy bit on Imus, falling just a little short of Wallace Beery's portrayal of Long John Silver. Then he closed out his day, trying to convince KO that reporting on the President's dog is something of a worthy diversion from the problems of the world.
I'm sure his parents wondered why all that money was wasted on law school.
BUT, Mr. Crawford acquitted himself well in both appearances. He showed versatility, and most of all he did his homework and "came to play."
Posted by: EdVB
| April 15, 2009 1:49 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/house-ethics-probes-spring-and.html#comment-219655
ct, so true and sometimes that's all he has to work with it seems
Posted by: patd
| April 15, 2009 1:51 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219742
Blue - have the tea. What better way to protest a tea protest than to drink the stuff instead of pouring it out, themn process it through your kineys and literally piss on it?
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 2:02 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219750
EdVB --
edjee-kay-shin ain't never wasted.
(^_~)
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 2:05 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219753
Sweet or unsweet?
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 2:07 PM
My lunch hour was spent with a professional dog trainer. Naturally, the conversation digressed to the new First Canine and his breed characteristics. He said someone in the household better have a strong personality because if there's no dominant leader, the water dog will take over that role himself.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 2:12 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219749
Nailed it !. .especially the last sentence.
I could of sworn a saw one of them DC 'protesters' carrying some rope.
Posted by: Rezdog
| April 15, 2009 2:16 PM
Ed VB will be protesting tomorrow in The Bronx. Why? Check this blurb off the 'nets:
"...along the first-base side, toward the far end of the "Great Hall." They have a stand selling "Retro Beers." These are tall-boy cans of Schlitz , Schaeffer , Ballantine and Pabst Blue Ribbon , each for $9.00.
It's a steal, folks. The Budwesier drafts are $10.00 apiece. But you get a souvenir cup with those."
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 2:41 PM
Drinking COMMUNIST Chinese tea to protest the cruel Yacht and Caviar Taxes. Ya, that works like a charm. Think anyone will see through that ? ( :>D)<
We had an election. Your gang lost. Get used to it.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 2:44 PM
Fox is covering the teabag thing like a Presidential Inauguration...I'm going to drive by the capitol in Salem and look at the crackpots.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat
| April 15, 2009 2:53 PM
Back about '65, I was at the U of MN, walking behind Northrup Auditorium, and saw a kstp (then NBC, but now abc) camera truck pull up. A group of people dressed up in beads, wigs, and war paint jumped out and the cameras began to roll. I thought they were making a promo for some musical at the
Auditorium. After a few minutes, everyone jumped back in the truck, and the driver pulled away. That night, watching the news, I saw a kstp "exclusive!" about the "hippie war protesters" at the University.
I suppose one of the faux news execs is a graduate of the kstp team.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 2:56 PM
Yes, Newtie is a perfect grassroots kind of guy, in an astroturf kinda way. LMFAO.
They're having a tea party at the VA park here - pouring tea into Elk Creek - a creek with so much garbage and pollution in it the fish people catch in it are edible only by idiots who don't beliee the Clean Water Act has merit. Lead story about Tea parties in a google search I did was from World Net Daily and listed TEA parties in every state, and citing the American Family Association as the source for their information about participation in the rallies. That speaks volumes to me. btw, there is not a word in the local online versions of the papers here about the Tea Parties in Charleston or Morgantown. The only people here I've heard even mention the protest are partners in this firm who make something north of $250,000 per year.
Now, here's the facts - thanks to WND, I linked to TeaPartyDay.com, and by wandering around the site found that TeaPartyDay.com is sponsored by the American Family Association, which is descried in their wiki entry as a "501(c)(3) non-profit organization that promotes conservative Christian values." Links to the TPD.com and AFA websites are below. You take a look and decide whether this represents a grassroots organizing effort or not.
http://www.teapartyday.com/
http://www.afa.net/
Fact is, the conservative media made fun or and denigrated the "liberal" protests. Now somehow turn about is not fair play. Don't get me wrong - every person, citizen or not, in the US has the right to protest anything, and I firmly believe that the folks involved in the TEA parties have every right to do as they are doing. And everyone else has every right to comment on them, positive or negative, exultation or ridicule. It ain't called free speech for nothing.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 2:57 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219756
Ivy, blue is in Dallas - sweet, of course.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:00 PM
Dex,
Re: Retro Beers
Are we protesting the price, or the fact that there's no Genessee Cream Ale?
"That ball is going, going, gone. Another Ballantine blast by __a Yankee___ ." The immortal words of Mel Allen. Funny, I don't remember what Mel said when the opposition hit one out. Talk about selective hearing!!!
Posted by: EdVB
| April 15, 2009 3:02 PM
Hello Everyone! It's been a while since I've checked in -- no reason other than working too much and being distracted by other generally happy things going on in my life.
The Alliance for a Better Minnesota posted an interesting item on its blog -- instead of complaining about taxes -- why not think of all the things that taxes pay for that we are grateful to have?
Here is my list -- which I also posted on my Facebook page. I would like to read some of yours ideas for the things your taxes paying for that you're happy about.
I'm grateful for the firefighters and EMTs, for the parks and recreation program, for the libraries, for the health care for children, for the military since I grew up in a military family 100% of my childhood was funded by taxpayer money. I'm grateful for the Food Stamps that help feed the hungry; for the USDA Child and Adult Care Food program which helps children in child care get nutritionally balanced meals; for the child care subsidies that help working single moms like my niece afford child care for young children; for the SCHIP health insurance for children; for the WIC program which helps feed pregnant women, infants and children; for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, for the National Endowment for the Humanities, the National Endowment for the Arts.
I'm grateful for the K-12 schools even though as a homeschooler I don't use them. I'm grateful for the public colleges and the grants and student loans that helped get me through. I'm grateful for the National Institutes of Health and the research that is done there that cured the cancers of two friends. I'm grateful to the law enforcement programs that help keep our communities safe.
Posted by: Divalicias
| April 15, 2009 3:07 PM
Pogo,
I haven't checked the rules lately. Does the AFA tea party promotion violate the 501(c)(3) rules ?
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 3:17 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219763
XR
And I bet it's RUSSIAN caviar ... darn pinkos
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:19 PM
EdVB: The price...but I, too, appreciated the fine taste of "Genny Cream" when I was an old toper.
I used to go to a bar where on Thursdays a 12 ounce draft Falstaff was twenty-five cents. Now that same style lager is ten dollars a pop in NYC.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| April 15, 2009 3:22 PM
xr, I am really not current on that - from what I can remember about the tax exempt org rules I'd guess they are riding a ragged edge, but since they aren't a church not likely so far over it to get the IRS to revoke their tax exempt status.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:24 PM
Today yahoo-news had a story about this "tea party" business, but before that, I hadn't heard anything about it besides some chatter on blogs like this.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:26 PM
Jamie,
? DARN ? These Pink Elephants would never use anything that had been darned. That's for working people, tradesmen, and dark skinned people. You must have meant 'embroidered'.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 3:26 PM
Pogo
I don't think they are even close to the edge on this one.After all they are educating, right?
The only big no no for a 501c3 is to endorse a candidate. But they may educate on an issue and also they may lobby as long as lobbying isn't their main purpose.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 15, 2009 3:31 PM
Think there's any god drugs at these tea-parties? Oxycodone, perhaps? Maybe I should go check it out.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:38 PM
Dex
$9 for a PBR?
LOL
When I sold the farm in 85 one of the first jobs I got when I came to the city was vending beer at Royals stadium.
I was one of the folks running up and down sellin g beer.
I kept my first hat and the price button from the first day I sold beer. It was PBR, long necks poured into a plastic cup. the price $1.60. That was the cheap beer Bud was $1.75.
The hat covered with a price button for every price through the 10 yrs I vended, is still hanging on the wall.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 15, 2009 3:39 PM
Anybody who pays $9 for a single PBR is a moron. Once can still buy a case of that swill for under $10 at a beer distributor.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:42 PM
Jane Hamsher on the tea party timeline.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/a-teabagger-timeline-koch_b_187312.html
And Michelle Malkin's.
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/a-tax-day-tea-party-cheat-sheet-how-it-all-started/
Thank you, Jane.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:45 PM
Dex,
I was in my early thirties when Genny Cream became the official drink of the bank basketball team I played on. Most of the Albany and Troy area banks had teams made up of bank employees and the level of competition was pretty good.
After the games, both teams would usually go to a nearby bar and hang out for a while. I think pitchers of Genny Cream were either $1.50 or $2.
As I type this, I'm wondering if any of those guys stayed in banking long enough to get big bonuses or bailout money. Bank of America contains the remnants of my old employer, but it became Fleet Bank shortly after my banking days ended.
Posted by: EdVB
| April 15, 2009 3:48 PM
A real ballsy tax-protest would be to simply not pay them. You'd see what kind of "movement" it is then. I'm not recommending that to anyone, Mr. IRS lurker-man.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:49 PM
An AP story (see the exerpt below) on the Iraq drought may be even worse news for the future of that country. Impoverished people have a big incentive for following crazy causes, and unemployed people have time to get into trouble.
"Iraq's winter ended without adequate rain for a second year in a row. Overall, the rainfall for the last two years has been only about 30 to 40 percent of normal levels — not only in Iraq but in Syria and southeastern Turkey to the north, where the great rivers begin."
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 3:50 PM
Jack, educating? Arguable. But as for violating IRS regs for 501C3s, I don't know about that. Endorsing a candidate is definitely over the line, but it ain't on the line. I takes much less as I recall than actually endorsing a candidate to engage in prohibited political activity, I just don't know how much less.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 3:53 PM
My Q to Pogo had to do with the AFA's Mammonist protest being at odds with the presumed stated purpose of the 501(c)(3).
After all, Jesus didn't say in reference to taxes, 'Don't render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar's, but rather pour tea into the creek instead.'
Personally, I think the "Render unto" speech was not at all about taxes, but I doubt that the AFA puts the same construction on those words.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 3:56 PM
First protest I ever went to , the L.A.P. D. was pushing people off freeway overpasses .
Shook Mohamed Ali's hand that day.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 15, 2009 4:08 PM
Xrep
Google irs, it is a bit slow today so you may want to until tomorrow.
501c3 aren't churches, they are charitable, scientific or educational organization.
They cannot endorse a candidate. They can however speak out on issues that may be on the ballot. They may also lobby. The limit to both is that these activities must not be the predominate activity of the organization.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| April 15, 2009 4:11 PM
In the years before Pabst shut down, their recipe got progressively sweeter, until I couldn't drink it anymore, and other folks began to complain. A fellow could barely stand up after drinking it - the chair would stick to his bottom. It was almost as sugary as Ballantine Cream Ale. Shortly before they closed down, the Pabst prez finally admitted that a failed strategy for luring [young] customers had been the addition of larger and larger amounts of sugar to the fermenting wort.
Most US breweries of the time did the same thing, but none quite so blatantly as Pabst.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 4:13 PM
Here's one explanation on 501c3s and political activities.
http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=163395,00.html
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 4:18 PM
Fire Dog Lake has a timeline on the "spontaneous" Tea Bag protests
http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/15/a-brief-history-of-tea-bagging/
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 4:20 PM
This is better:
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=154712,00.html
I don't think they are violating the regs.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 4:20 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219782
Pogo
Yeah Jane. Michelle Malkin --yikes.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 15, 2009 4:24 PM
To see the actual revenue ruling, Click on the Revenue Ruling 2007-41 link.
http://www.natptax.com/revenue_rulings.html
But I gotta go. Everyone have a good evening.
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 4:24 PM
KC, ditto. :-)
Posted by: newpogo.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 4:25 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219788
CBob,
People don't believe the stories I tell about the LAPD, particularly under Parker and Davis.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 4:26 PM
Dig 'may reveal' Cleopatra's tomb
Archaeologists are to search three sites in Egypt that they say may contain the tomb of doomed lovers Anthony and Cleopatra.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8000978.stm
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 15, 2009 4:32 PM
Thanks for the tea-link, Jamie.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 15, 2009 4:40 PM
Whiskyjack,
I see your point, and merely wonder how close tax policy is to the AFA's stated reason for existing.
At the nadir of the bush admin, a consultant told a non-profit I served as a board member that if we spent as much as 2% of our money on lobbying or political efforts, or the 501 (c)(3) might be pulled. Presumably the tea party day fiasco does not add up to 2%.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 4:47 PM
newpogo - Great idea. Perhaps some chamomile tonight.
Posted by: blueINdallas
| April 15, 2009 5:02 PM
From the FireDogLake site provided by Mr. Pogo [Thanx & a hat tip] :
"Within hours, a site called officialchicagoteaparty.com went up, with the domain name registered to Eric Odom. At the time he was working for a group called the Sam Adams Alliance, a 501 c(3) non-profit THAT LEGALLY CAN'T ENGAGE IN POLITICAL ACTIVITY. [caps mine] Its chairman, Eric O'Keeffe, is on the board of the Club for Growth. He's since been taken off the website, but it's cached here."
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 5:16 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219763
"We had an election. Your gang lost."
Oh wait...that's what they're protesting?
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 5:22 PM
Ms Ivygreen,
I actually think the tea party terrorists are out to terrorize republican candidates into taking the "no nude texans" pledge, and to gain sympathy from all those unemployed Americans who would love to be in a position to pay taxes.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 5:40 PM
I have to run out now to stimulate the nation's economy. Cooking chores will follow anent. Drudgery ensues tomorrow, as I work on the floor of the upstairs bathroom. That is followed by a meeting of 501(c)(3)fundraisers here in the evening.
Sweetie cleverly figured out that if she schedules a meeting here, I'll be embarrassed into doing that job I promised to do, "Just as soon as those pesky Sabertooths go back to La Brea."
Who knows when I'll be able to infest the Trail again. Craig, try not to have any interesting topics while I'm gone, willya please ?
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 5:54 PM
Speaking of PETA
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/articles/904149954
Desperate times call for desperate measures
I hope they aren't using day old fried chicken to fill the potholes
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| April 15, 2009 6:39 PM
PETA is so dumb. Good for you, Petaluma. Thanks for the article, KGC.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 7:53 PM
Patd and Patsi - yes, it is great to see someone at work
(and even that is unusual compared to w) who doesn't strut and swing his shoulders and talk like an old and bad cowboy movie.
After 8 years of that swill, I had kinda forgotten the sound of civil and adult discourse. It is really sweet to my ears.
Divalicious - yes, indeed, every time I drive up a highway to the Sierra, I think, man, what a bargain.
Everytime I complain re a politician, when I hear newsreports about any kind of emergency responder - all those things leave me in awe.
Even billo made a comment like the when the guest passed out on glenn beck (now why would anybody pass out on nice mr back?????????). Billo gave very high marks to emergency workers.
As far as people who can co-ordinate three rifle shots that hit three heads of bad guys are concerned, wow.
What a bargain. Add all that to the other men and women who are in the military around the world, and we should be able to admit we are plain darn lucky.
Posted by: bethyboo
| April 15, 2009 7:56 PM
News clip: a member of the Somali parliament hs been killed.
Somalia has a parliament???????????
Are these pfizer ads driving anyone crazy? If I so much a glance at them, they open!
Posted by: bethyboo
| April 15, 2009 8:16 PM
Wow - Keith-O went nuts with his double entendre references re: tea bagging.
There was a pretty decent size tea party in Fort Lauderdale today.
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 8:18 PM
Well, if you're employer will pardon me... (Love ya, MSNBC, watch it all the time):
Olbermann is such a tool. He has THAT little tact (some would say "class") as to make extensive 'tea-bagging' jokes? Maybe CosmoDeCritic is writing for him... who knows?
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:23 PM
"your"
DAMN. The only typo I'll correct; sorry.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:24 PM
I tend to skip Olbermann these days - but his performance tonight was impressive in terms of sheer audacity.
(But I guess it becomes a bit less audacious when audacity is your schtick...)
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 8:28 PM
And one more thing since I'm worked up and have already impugned Mr. Olbermann's character (I'm just one man, MSNBC. Big fan of Rachel Maddow, incidentally).
In that "Twittering Twits" segment a few weeks back, KO has on Craig, supposedly for a little levity, and then uses up all the twitter-puns in the lead-in, leaving Craig with nothing. See, Olbermann is a narcissist, and his ego can't afford for Craig to be perceived as funnier or more astute than him. *******.
Off to peruse NBC's prime-time offerings. What a great network NBC is. Everyone should watch it, as well as it's cable offerings.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:31 PM
Extreme Sheep-herding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:32 PM
LOST tonite for me...
(followed up with a little Real World/Road Rules Challenge...)
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 8:34 PM
Warren:
*whispering* (i really don't watch tv at all. it rots your brain.)
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:36 PM
...and PETA is going to have a field day with that one, Ivy. Someone should warn those Welsh dudes.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:37 PM
I have a thought that I wonder if is totally off base...I am starting to feel that the constant tea-bagging talk with smirks included somehow are going to end up as anti-gay feelings. I don't know...it's making me uneasy.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 15, 2009 8:48 PM
LOL, Patsi... 'teabagging' is more misogynistic than than homophobic. I'd tell you to relax to that end, but maybe I'm working you up.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 8:52 PM
Lord Blogo
I agree that TV rots your brain - for the most part.
One huge exception is Charlie Rose. It is amazing how much you can learn from that show. (He had Lyndon Johnson's biographer on the other night and it was fascinating on many levels...)
I would put Frontline in that category as well. (Again - the other night's episode on Children of the Taliban was sobering and terrifying re: the challenges we face in Af-Pac.)
(Unfortunately - I spend too much time watching Rock of Love ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 8:59 PM
Patsi:
Yup - totally off base. Sophmoric and bitterly partisan - but not anti-gay. (I mean Rachel is one of the biggest culprits...)
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 9:02 PM
A word to the old people:
Stop saying "tea-bagging". It's a crude reference to gross sexual act, and half the joke is getting people like you, who are clueless as to it's meaning, to say it.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 9:10 PM
I saw a HANDFUL of the *hee-hee* tea baggers today at a very busy intersection.
Well, that confirms it. It's a rev-o-lu-tion.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 15, 2009 9:11 PM
Lordy, lord....some of us old folks read Urban Dictionary.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 15, 2009 9:12 PM
They discovered where the treasure is buried...!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515589,00.html
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 9:13 PM
Evening folkes,
I am one of those who doesn't have a clue what tea bagging means. I don't want to google it because I don't want to suck any smut to my laptop.
Posted by: ct
| April 15, 2009 9:21 PM
Anyone care to give me ten hints?
Posted by: ct
| April 15, 2009 9:22 PM
*slaps faux-regal forehead*
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 9:27 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219839
Carol --
One of my mom's sayings is what you don't know won't hurt you (not saying I agree with her).
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 9:30 PM
Olbermann ruins yet another joke for everyone else. Is he married? If he is, that woman deserves a medal.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 9:31 PM
Dogs, eh?
How about Goats?
http://www.rr.com/home/home/article/9000/7461275/Iranian_scientists_claim_they_have_cloned_a_goat
Didn't Bush get the UN to issue a resolution against North Korea? Pakistan passes their Sharia Bill and then ask the militants to lay down their guns. They laughed.
Ahmadinejad calls us losers as Egypt chases after an Iranian Hiz'Allah arms shipping team in the Sinai...
Hizb'Allah boasts that the West already recognizes them and The Muslim Brotherhood which Hamas and Iran support will topple the Egyptian government. Meanwhile here, the FBI is at odds with the administration over the Muslim Brotherhood, but then the tea partiers are a great terrorism threat......
What I was saying about Obama's ISM associations a year ago:
http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/468/the-mb-inroads-into-the-obama-administration.com
Not a great week for Obama. The Pirates were the highlight. And speaking of "man-made" disasters, I suspect the real problem of piracy beside the lack on international justice we are seeing on many fronts, involves what we do on the ground in Somalia. Not the particular venue the Clintons have fond memories of, but reality never the less.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 15, 2009 9:31 PM
"Maynard said KFC is committed to the well-being and humane treatment of chickens. He wouldn’t comment on PETA’s counteroffer."
[ I just sneaked away from the salt mine to take a break on the Trail until I get caught playing hookey. ]
KFC's Maynard reminds me of the Walrus and the Carpenter. Ya, you guys reeeally care about the well-being of chickens. We've all noticed. Pass me an extra crispy thigh, please.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 9:36 PM
Radar Love - Golden Earing = Great song!
(later, I'm going to get Lost . . . )
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 9:37 PM
tt, I found that urban dictionary. Found out what it means and it is certainly not my cup of tea.
Posted by: ct
| April 15, 2009 9:38 PM
max:
"Didn't Bush get the UN to issue a resolution against North Korea?"
The 6 party talks worked better than the bi-lateral - and the only realistic sollution I see is to mount world pressure - and hope that whoever surpasses Kim is at least a little more rational. (Not a safe bet - but the odds are in our favor.)
"Pakistan passes their Sharia Bill and then ask the militants to lay down their guns. They laughed."
I agree. Passing Sharia law only weakens the resistance. And the militants are here for war and nothing else (as it has been distorted into a gospel).
"Ahmadinejad calls us losers as Egypt chases after an Iranian Hiz'Allah arms shipping team in the Sinai..."
We don't need Mahmoud's support. We need to win over the people. Iran is one of the most modern Nations in the Middle East. Hence, they are one of the closest to developing Nukes.
Obama is laying down a foundation in an attempt to solve the most pressing crisis facing the world right now, i.e., the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
(OK - now time for Lost ; )
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 9:45 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219848
It may be too late,,,people like Cheney/Bush are running that country now,,,that was one of the goals,,,on to the next phase of the crusades
think that Pres..Obama,,,is going to have his hands full,,,he is committed to having peace,,,while the new Israelis are not,,,they will now try to bomb Iran on their own,,imo,,,just like Cheney/bush did to Iraq,,,they will try to convince their people that Iran will bomb them ,,,so they should do it first../..Take away all of the money that is given to anyone, in the middle east,,for some peace?
http://www.commondreams.org/
Israel’s Racist in Chief
by Chris Hedges
It was unthinkable, when I was based as a correspondent in Jerusalem two decades ago, that an Israeli politician who openly advocated ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from Israeli-controlled territory, as well as forcing Arabs in Israel to take loyalty oaths or be forcibly relocated to the West Bank, could sit on the Cabinet. The racist tirades of Jewish proto-fascists like Meir Kahane stood outside the law, were vigorously condemned by most Israelis and were prosecuted accordingly. Kahane's repugnant Kach Party, labeled by the United States, Canada and the European Union as a terrorist organization, was outlawed by the Israeli government in 1988 for inciting racism.
Israel has changed. And the racist virus spread by Kahane, whose thugs were charged with the murders and beatings of dozens of unarmed Palestinians and whose members held rallies in Jerusalem where they chanted "Death to Arabs!" has returned to Israel in the figure of Israel's powerful new foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman. Lieberman openly calls for an araberrein Israel-an Israel free of Arabs.
There has been a steady decline from the days of the socialist Labor Party, which founded Israel in 1948 and held within its ranks many leaders, such as Yitzhak Rabin, who were serious about peaceful coexistence with the Palestinians. The moral squalor of Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu and Lieberman reflects the country's degeneration. Labor, like Israel, is a shell of its old self. Lieberman's Yisrael Beiteinu Party, with 15 seats in the Knesset, is likely to bring down the Netanyahu government the moment his power base is robust enough to move him into the prime minister's office. He is the new face of the Jewish state.
Lieberman, a former nightclub bouncer who was a member of the Kach Party, has the personal and political habits of the Islamic goons he opposes. He was found guilty in 2001 of beating a 12-year-old boy and fined by an Israeli court. He is being investigated for multimillion-dollar fraud and money laundering and is rumored to have close ties with the Russian mafia. He lives, in defiance of international law, in the Jewish settlement of Nokdim on occupied Palestinian land.
Lieberman, as did his mentor Kahane, calls for the eradication of Palestinians from Israel and the territories it occupies. During the massive Israeli bombardment of Gaza in December and January he said that Israel should fight Hamas the way the United States fought the Japanese in World War II. He noted that occupation of Japan was unnecessary to achieve victory, alluding to the dropping of atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. When he assumed his position as foreign minister he announced that the 2007 Annapolis peace agreement was dead. He said in 2004 that 90 percent of Israel's Palestinian citizens "have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost." This statement was especially galling since Lieberman, unlike the Palestinian majority who can trace their ancestry in the region back generations, immigrated to Israel in 1978 from Moldova and retains a heavy Russian accent.
Lieberman, from the floor of the Knesset, openly fantasized three years ago about executing the handful of Palestinian Knesset members.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 15, 2009 9:52 PM
My TV is like Francisco Franco ......... Still dead.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 15, 2009 9:56 PM
I think Lipton is behind all this tea business .......
(Joke)
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 15, 2009 10:01 PM
Ancient reefs recently exposed in Mexico show that sea levels can rise by as much as 10 feet in a half century -
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ancient-corals-provide-record-of-rapid-sea-level-rise
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 15, 2009 10:11 PM
There is one remaining survivor of the Titanic sinking. She was the youngest passenger aboard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millvina_Dean
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:12 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46625
Oh yes, Solar, the virus has spread and Israel is now no better than Hamas or Ahmadinejad........yep, that's the ticket. And Perez has been most vocal towards Iran, but then he's a fanatic too.
Lieberman will likely leave the government. The present Israeli government reflects the perception of things to come. Not a great time for Doves.......
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 15, 2009 10:13 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219851
Glad that's cleared up. I thought it was Earl Grey.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:13 PM
The most significant factor in rising sea levels is the amount of earth we dump into it including crackers....
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 15, 2009 10:14 PM
"Not a great time for Doves..."
nor Iranians.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:18 PM
crackers are dumping earth into the sea? who knew.....
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 10:20 PM
Politics: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=527650
Solar activity and the stoning of dissent.
Back in the mid 1970’s, Luis Alverez had used computer simulations to visualize rock brecca samples he had dug up and discovered several large meteor craters long filled in with earth. Alverez used a paleogeologist’s trick and noted the crystalline magnetic lines formed as the molten rock brecca as it cooled following the thunderous strike. A particular strike would create rock with all the same magnetic lines. He could find the brecca from the other rock and reconstruct the crater’s contour using few sample cores, This magnetic fingerprint he used also sealed the deal on South America fitting nicely into Africa. Igneous rock on both continents matched (as did many other things). This molecular alignment in igneous rock also points to the magnetic north, but because these magnetic poles move over the millennia, particular orientations and tell us how old these formations were (and where the magnetic poles were at the time). In fact, going back through pre-history, the igneous record reveals frequent magnetic pole shifts, reversals and disappearances. Right now, the magnetic pole is drifting. So Alverez turned us towards two climate changing events we had not pondered before that could effect earth’s climate and even our likely extinction; Meteor impact and the drifting and vanishing magnetic poles.
Many scientists jumped to catastrophic studies and focused on celestial impacts eventually revealing likely fire and then ice and extinction senarios, but simple questions Alverez touched upon were left unanswered. How do solar activities and inter solar radiation effect the earth’s magnetic field, atmosphere and magnetic donut of ions that straddle the equator and shield us much radiation (Van Allen belts discovered in 1957)? What happens if the magnetic pole’s hole faces the sun? Could these mechanism effect cloud formation and even tectonic events? Could this account for plants having so many chromosomes to protect themselves from ionizing radiation?
Already bird migration and other environmental and biological disturbances have been traced to the shifting magnetic poles. Still, the Bermuda Triangle gets more attention. Sunspot activity, cosmic radiation, magnetic drift and the cycle of plate tectonics have or might have very significant bearing on the climate. They may very well be connected to one another effecting snow and water precipitation, could formation and green house gas carrying capacities. Remember, plate actions greatly affects the carbon carrying load of the oceans by volcanism and earthquakes along the ridges, shelf and trenches, The mostly not understood mechanisms can not be brushed aside by partisanship. Most variables discussed here could easily dwarf the effect of human introduced CO2 and have happened repeatedly. The Climate Change mantra has drowned out the direction of our logical progress through these questions, yet still, we read stories…..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4520982.stm
Occasionally a report finds its way to the internet.
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/37/1/71
But for now, as with so much, things are lost in the spin, no matter where they are spinning or what they for tell.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 15, 2009 10:26 PM
Yep LB, and that last post was my load for the night....lol. So don't fret yall.
I read several intelligence blogs and the events going on elsewhere is in high gear. Yeah, "intelligence" blogs..........doesn't much rub off, does it?
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 15, 2009 10:28 PM
Max have a cracker.
Posted by: Colorado Bob
| April 15, 2009 10:35 PM
Max watch this,,,some real scientist at work here
http://www.pbs.org/now/index.html
In a one-hour High-Definition special, NOW on PBS host David Brancaccio travels to the Gangotri Glacier in the Himalayas—the source of the legendary river Ganges—to witness the impact of global warming first hand. Global warming, scientists say, is dangerously melting away glaciers around the world, including Gangotri.
David is accompanied on his journey by Conrad Anker, one of the world's leading high altitude climbers and a man with an abiding interest in glaciers and our planet's future. Our story takes place in India and also in Anker's home state of Montana, where the last glaciers in Glacier National Park could melt away in just a dozen years.
Read David Brancaccio's daily dispatches from India and see images from his extraordinary trip.
"On Thin Ice" takes an up close and personal look at climate change right now and examines how events high up in the mountains affect crucial life and death issues such as global food security, competition for water, and national security. These concerns—along with some proposed solutions—are vividly illustrated in this unprecedented one-hour special.
Watch "On Thin Ice" on Friday, April 17, 2009.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 15, 2009 10:44 PM
type in thin ice in the search,,,,very good vid
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 15, 2009 10:48 PM
Or two...or even three..........
Posted by: bethyboo
| April 15, 2009 10:49 PM
"Not a great time for Doves..."
Never is.
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 10:50 PM
"A word to the old people:"
Bloggington -- are you stupid or obtuse? Tell me how that term is more sexist than homophobic? The point is, continually referring to it in the way Shuster did is bizarre. And don't worry -- you could never work me up.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 15, 2009 10:58 PM
max:
"Oh yes, Solar, the virus has spread and Israel is now no better than Hamas or Ahmadinejad........yep, that's the ticket. And Perez has been most vocal towards Iran, but then he's a fanatic too."
The Israel-Palestine situation has moved back between bad and worse. Being shocked and fatalist because there is deep-seeded hatred and all sides is approaching the situation in a frankly naive way. It will take Realism and hard work. And persistance...
(And if you were talking about Simon "Perez" being a "fanatic" - he is also a wise man.)
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 10:58 PM
PS -- not now and not when I was 22.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 15, 2009 10:59 PM
This should lull you off to beddy-bye...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123967396077315901.html
Don't let the bed bugs bite.
Posted by: ivygreen.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 10:59 PM
You suck, Patsi. Sorry for trying to be nice to you.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:02 PM
Patsi:
The way Shuster obsesses over most things (partisan) is bizarrely common-place.
(And I haven't seen Shus recently - but I don't know if he can hold a candle to Rachel's work on this "issue" - and Keith-O took the cake tonite...complete with visual aids and guests joining in the fun.)
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 11:09 PM
Now lord blogo's definition of "nice" - that's bizarre!
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 11:12 PM
*smiling* @ lord.
ct, yep!
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| April 15, 2009 11:14 PM
Teabagging mania: Beavis and Butthead go mainstream.........
Posted by: sturgeone
| April 15, 2009 11:14 PM
Max... I already told you that I enjoy your posts, you don't have to accommodate me. Your engaging in more substantive discussion that Lord Bloggington is; that's for sure. I had to laugh when one of your citations advocated ground ops in Somalia... it seems as if you'd have the war machine rolling at full-steam if you had your way. Our military isn't an infinite resource, you know, especially these days.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:15 PM
Damn, did it again. Bad day for the Lord. Oh well.
Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com
| April 15, 2009 11:17 PM
SolarCrete,
lieberman is also very anti-religious, which in Israel, means anti-Jewish. He serves a secular constituency that hails from the defunct soviet empire.
lieberman's constituents are near the bottom of the economic ladder, since they are new-comers, and do not speak the language well. They are afraid of the 'cheap' Arab laborers with whom they are in competition for jobs. lieberman and netanyahu always talk to these people as if the dynamic of the economy were a zero-sum game. Iow, if THEY have an acre, it means that I can't have an acre. If THEY get a job, then I'll lose mine, as if there are only so many jobs, and the economy can't grow. The I-THEY pitch is always at its peak around election time.
Israelis, Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Circassians, and others were all much better off with more enlightened Histadrut Party leaders. The likud Party and lieberman, like arafat and hamas, win victories by playing the zero-sum game. When peace threatens to break out, the terrorists stage an atrocity and then everyone gets mad and stops talking. These right-wingers on both sides always sabotage the peace process.
The anti-religious nature of lieberman makes it highly unlikely that he can ever rise to PM. Also, his party IB, depends to a great extent, on lieberman as spokesperson & policy guy. If lieberman goes to prison or says something to get himself killed by an Arab or a Jewish religious fanatic, can the IB party carry on ? I have some doubts.
Regarding netanyahu's morals - yikes ! He isn't kosher at all, so why do the rightwing Israeli 'republicans' vote for him ? I guess 'cuz he's the Jewish version of rudie giuliani or vladimir putin.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 11:18 PM
Pretty good insights xrepub. It seems that the Us vs. Them mentality is at the heart of many problems.
Hardliners - whether they be right-wing tea baggers, TX separatists, bleeding heart liberals that have no problem cutting the heart out of the enemies, taliban militants, fanatical clerics, or power-hungry totalitarian leaders seem to cause nothing but suffering for themselves and the rest of us.
(I get that there are different degrees to the unsavory cast of characters I just listed - but I am trying to get at the larger point.)
Us vs. Them is the only way a zero-sum game makes sense.
Posted by: warren
| April 15, 2009 11:32 PM
Minnesota's Governor Potholes Aplenty should consider getting corporations like KFC to redo all our rotting roads and bridges. Oops, I forgot. Orthodox followers of Ayn Rand, like Governor Potholes, consider it evil to dun Giants of Corporate America for money to improve the commonweal. They think Mother Theresa is the Devil. Too bad, teabags make lousy patches, 'cuz we're going to lose a lot of fine cars down those holes this year. Anyway, filling all the potholes and repairing all the bridgeproblems that developed during Governor Potholes Aplenty would bust KFC, McD, and WalMart combined.
Posted by: xrepublican
| April 15, 2009 11:32 PM
Max,WMD,,these people have enough uranium for one bomb,,,,lets go and invade them,,,,and with a shock and awe,,,LOL
Lehman Brothers Sitting on a Stockpile of Uranium 'Yellowcake'
Lehman's nuclear stockpile is a hangover from a trading contract undertaken before the Wall Street bank collapsed last year
by Andrew Clark
The rump of the bankrupt bank Lehman Brothers is sitting on a stockpile of 450,000 lb of uranium "yellowcake" which could be used to power a nuclear reactor or, theoretically, to make a bomb.
[Technicians at Isfahan handle a barrel of yellowcake uranium. (Reuters)]Technicians at Isfahan handle a barrel of yellowcake uranium. (Reuters)
Lehman's potentially explosive asset is a hangover from a commodities trading contract undertaken before the Wall Street bank went bust in September. The substance, yellowcake, is a solid form of mined uranium which is yet to be enriched.
Liquidators have been trying to offload the stuff for months. But the price of uranium has been dropping steadily, leaving Lehman's yellowcake languishing in a variety of secure storage facilities, some of which are in Canada.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| April 15, 2009 11:39 PM
Oh, I promised to be good so VERY SHORT
Warren,
Iran is using part of Sudan, the Sinai, Somalia and Lebanon with Hizb'Allah to ship weapons to Hamas and establish clandestine sites. This extends to South America. What has changed in the Israel/Palestinian conflict is the entire strategic balance. If the West capitualtes and Hizb'Allah and Iran target Egypt, and force the Sunnis to at least be on the groveling defensive, who will prevent a NEW HISTORICAL REALITY? You can fire a cruise missile, mortor, medium and small range mobile missile, drone from a thousand new points around Israel. This is a first real existential corner Israel has been in. This is quite different and the answer was never incinerating millions of Muslims. Americans don't understand the winds of perceptions blowing hard across the desert.
Jews are not going to make the same mistake twice in a hundred years.
Solar,
10% less magnetic field during the same time period man-contributed C02 has been cited for increased temperatures. Coldier interior antartic temperatures producing more interior ice and increased peripheral melting. Change in air streams due to magnetic shifts as well as migration disruptions in both sea and sky. So there is change from magnetic field and solar activity as undersea eruptions and quakes with soil run off raise sea level. I was suggesting all of this including meteor impacts have radically changed climate over time and are likely in play now. Ultimately, won't we have to mitigate all of this? I was just lamenting that the quest for figuring out the earth system was highjacked. I will check out the link though. I would not be surprised that human forced C02 was an important warming factor, but cooling seems in play for reasons that rival greenhouse gas while other environmental issues are also pressing us to action.
LB, Gates got it wrong, move one of those to be retired carriers off the Somalian coast and make Jefferson happy. It's not like we must invade everywhere. We just need to be able to make house calls in under ten minutes. The trick is getting the UN to pay foir it, or at least the G 20. Seriously, I would love shared responsibilities. I would love a lot of things.
With Obama's mindset I'm buyng stock in drone technology.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 16, 2009 12:16 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219860
Max,
Sun spots didn't put a pile of plastic and other non biodegradable material the twice the size of Texas in the Pacific Ocean
http://science.howstuffworks.com/great-pacific-garbage-patch.htm
Whatever else MIGHT be having an effect on climate and wild life, we KNOW that man is a serial killer when it comes to other species. It doesn't do you any good to be at the top of the food chain if you wipe out everything under you.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 16, 2009 12:18 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/arrrf-dogging-the-media.html#comment-219834
Uh Duh! Even the "old people" know how to find the Urban dictionary and we were remarking on the number of puns last night that both Olberman and Maddow used in their shows.
It's not our fault that Faux News and it's audience aren't as up to date.
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 16, 2009 12:26 AM
NEW THREAD
Posted by: jamie44.myopenid.com
| April 16, 2009 12:27 AM
Jamie you are right about that pollution. I agree totally. What we are doing to species diversity, ground water and soil erosion is terrible.
The Climate is just one huge factor of health. It has some major variables we are trying to figure out, We don't know what causes the ice ages. While we search for a real climate consensus through better theories and data, we had better clean up the mess we are doing with ECOLOGY. Things don't live and prosper without it.
Posted by: maxtrue
| April 16, 2009 12:39 AM
Hi Craig,
Did see your appearance again on Countdown on Tuesday night! Very nice! And Keith says he's tired of the "dog" story, which I do understand as the story has had a lot of play since election day. And the media has even been putting voice to Vice President Biden's opinions of the dog and/or that he was dog-sitting too! But, I must admit, the dog is adorable!
It seems that having a dog, cat or other animal is a Presidential right of passage. Every President has one or more and these pets all have personalities and they all get attention, especially when there are children in the White House, like we have right now! I agree with you that I believe it humanizes the Presidential Family, makes them seem more like the average American Family, and may even define the personalities of the President and/or the First Family......
And I like the statement by the President himself (paraphrased): "If you need a friend in Washington, get a dog!" As difficult Washington DC politics goes, this may definitely be true!
It's a nice story, but definitely time to move on to the more pressing issues of the day......
I liked your "dog" joke about Bill O'Reilly! :-)
Thank you for sharing this story with us and for your continued appearances on Countdown!
Posted by: Belladonna
| April 16, 2009 2:49 PM
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