Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Number uno? Hoot hoot.

It is way too soon in this administration to give up the high ground, particularly after a long campaign that promised to change the ethical morass of Congress. ... Oh yes we can!

If these charges prove to be true, then the best thing Rangel could do both for himself and his President would be to voluntarily step down. If not true, then he deserves to hold his chairmanship. But there can be no fudging on this issue.

Without the high ground, President Obama could go down in flames. We've had 8 years of double talk, obfuscation, and outright lies ... the public won't stand for more of the same

Oh no it won't!!

Craig,

Congratulations on attending the Correspondents Dinner and returning home in one piece.

Time for Charlie to go, maybe he can become a Lobbyist.

"Unless Rangel can prove his claims of innocence . . ."

Craig,

I get what you're saying, but it always bothers me to see it framed that way. At a minimum, I'd say Rangel needs to come clean among the Democratic caucus, and state his case. You'd like to think that step has already been taken. Then let them make their minds up on either backing him or abandoning him to the wolves.

Charlie likes his position of power, but he should be smart enough to know that if there's a shred of guilt, he should be working to cut his losses.

200,000 Buck Chuck

http://realtime.sunlightprojects.org/2008/12/16/unraveling-rangel/

Have him meet with the caucus. If there's substance to the allegations, give him the opportunity to 'retire'. If he declines, bring it to the floor.

Dodd should be your next topic Craig.

Senator (sic) Ben Nelson backs off his demands to cut the stimulus bill

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/05/dem-senator-proposes-majo_n_164323.html

I am sick of the whole bunch. Why do people get power and then become so addicted to it that they misuse their public offices for their own personal gain? The more I read, the more cynical I become.

What ever happened to the corrupt politician list? Seems like it needs updating.

ET, good reason for less government, not more.

More newspapers, not less!

Jamie -- thanks for the Mother Jones link....God 'a Mighty...and have you read about Rick Warren's edit: abuse is not grounds for divorce.....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2009/02/wh_wont_penalize_solis_for_hus.html

No problem, it was my husband's taxes.

USA Today broke the story a few hours ago, that Rep. Hilda Solis' husband only now settled a 16-year tax lien

KGC

Why do I get the feeling it has been a good day for friends of ben in Nebraska and friends of olympia in Maine.
The question isn't "Were they bought off?"
But how much did they hold out for?

lol
Politics, gotta love it.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197111

Bow, I don't think the "less government" argument has really worked so well in the past 29 years...

Jack
Ben the little women got nothing. They backed off.
Because in the end ..not needed. Had the votes without them.

Everyone is kind of cranky though.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b82507_feud_fest_etta_james_has_no_love.html

Now the Republicans are kvetching about the "Lobster Cam". After double decades of hating science to the destruction of our schools, if I were a Republican, I wouldn't be belching out more of the same. When you consider the pollution of our oceans, the depletion of species, the debacle of the fishing industry etc., moaning and groaning about a few hundred thousand to put an eye on the goings on probably makes a lot of sense both in survival and job creation as well as pure scientific research that usually returns multiple times the money spent on it.

To which Collins replyed ton Reids bluster

"I would say to the majority leader his success depends upon the success of this group," the Maine Republican said"

LOL
KGC

It looks like negtiations are still ongoing
15 min ago according to Google on CNN web site

I'll trust CNN before I do Huffpo

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/05/senators-end-second-stimulus-meeting-sounding-less-optimistic/

Jack

Jack- glad to hear something is in the works for the railroad system. Hope all was well with the ultrasounds.

Eventually videos from the deep water cam will be available. Right now all they have is the placement of the camera.

In the meantime, you can watch the shallow part of the Bay, the edge of the outer bay live cams and then inside the aquarium with the otters, penguins, shore birds, jelly fish, and kelp forest.

http://www.mbayaq.org/efc/cam_menu.asp

Lindsay Graham needs to go take a sleeping pill.

"Sixteen senators — including five Republicans — were meeting privately Thursday morning to carve out a compromise. The GOP senators included Snowe, Collins and Florida's Mel Martinez.

And that prospect infuriated GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who from the Senate floor angrily declared that 16 senators "meeting in a corner" is "not how to do it." "

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100301372

BTW the story also has details of what Obama has been doing to persuade the 16 senators.

Jack

"A Senate committee today abruptly canceled a session to consider President Obama's nomination of Rep. Hilda Solis to be labor secretary in the wake of a report saying that her husband yesterday paid about $6,400 to settle tax liens against his business -- including liens that had been outstanding for as long as 16 years."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews

What is with these pople?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197115

Patsi,

Saw what Rick the Smuck had to say on the subject. The first time a man dares to use a fist on you is the exact instant you depart ... no excuses no forgiveness. That type never changes. IT will happen again.

Rebuilding America’s Ghost Towns
Buy American Opponents: Un-American
By: Tula Connell Thursday February 5, 2009 1:24 pm

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What do Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have in common?

NPR nice polite Republicans

They got nothing and Reid has the votes..talk is cheap

And Feingold and McCain have a totally different agenda than
wimpy losers who can't commit to anything.

johnny cash and bill monroe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDC-IDz11mk&feature=related

"Lindsay Graham needs to go take a sleeping pill."

Ha -- yes he does!

If there's a push to kick Rangel out, I hope I don't hear him use the race card. I am so sick of people who do not take responsibility for their illegal or immoral acts and when it catches up on them, they use the race card.

As I watch Ben Nelson and Susan Collins on television telling everyone what the vaunted "centrists" dictate is acceptable in the stimulus package, I can't resist once again re-posting this post I wrote over a year ago. (Sorry, I can't help myself.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/redux-redux-by-digby-as-i-watch-ben.html

KGC

That was Reid bluffing and pretending to things he is not.

His bluster may have cost him votes that Obama had worked very hard to win.

Reid may eventually get the votesbut this is a bluff.

I would love to play poker with Reid his tells are easy to spot.

Jack

lol

Gotta love those centrists

They have the left and the right pissed at them.

Jack

I think I'm going with the people who have the votes not the liars in the media.

The centrists are idiots and never get anything done
they pretended to be against the war but could never bring themselves to vote against Shrub
Collins said she wouldn't run again and yet there she is sucking down a pay check and being nothing more than a traffic bump.

Arguing with a contrarian is a waste and time will tell.

Tim Geithner, a willful tax cheat, is our Treasury secretary. Everyone in town knows IMF and WB don't take out taxes because their employees work all over the world. So former Treasury staffer Geithner gambled on the very good odds that the inept and understaffed IRS wouldn't catch him as long as he filed.

Geithner, Daschle, Killefer (another former IRS staffer) all skated on taxes; none paid up until tapped by Obama, and none has paid a dime in penalties.

Craig, I"m a huge fan, but you're missing the point.

I hope Charlie Rangel comes out okay in this....I'd hate to see him go anywhere.

"The first time a man dares to use a fist on you is the exact instant you depart ... "

Agreed, Jamie. That is exactly the time to get the hell out of Dodge.

Geithner failed to pay self-employment taxes for money he earned while working for the International Monetary Fund from 2001 to 2003, the transition official said. In 2006, the IRS notified him that he owed $14,847 in self-employment taxes and $2,383 in penalties from 2003 and 2004

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197146

I'll get to the article later today, but did NRO happen to mention any Republicans with the same problems?

Craig...Are you about to be the muckraker of the day on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!!! Schuster promises one who's pushing Newt for HHS secretary....

Jamie

well Bernard Kerik of course and at least one other Shrub nominee had to withdraw labor I think

Coreen

Oy Vey! Obama should hire Warren Buffet to structure the tax payers deals

As far as the "tax" issues--I am of the opinion that in light of the huge amounts of taxpayer $ that are being tossed about--that the revelation of the various nominee's ' lapses only add to the anger that is simmering out there on Main Street, USA, where most people are just trying to keep it together--working, paying bills, etc--

And each time one of the "in crowd cool kids" is shown to have gamed the system (even if only for awhile) it just does not sit well with most people.

And the explanations that are provided of why they failed to pay taxes (something that most Americans do on a regular basis) only reinforce the double standard that many believe exists.

Prez Obama took Air Force One to Virginia. That would be about two minutes air time ...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197153

KGC, And then there are all the office holders who can't be named because they already know there is no way to confirm them.

My personal favorite was when Geitner tried to blame turbotax for the errors --

Harry Reid Video: Paying income tax in America is Voluntary

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/harry-reid-video-paying-income-tax-in-america-is-voluntary.html

Why drive when you can fly?

Craig is just getting down right famous

You go, Craig! I thought the muckraker of the day had to be you! Congratulations on getting so much attention! Even if I don't like your idea....

Nancy Pelosi: Dumber than Soap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hMJVXt09E

And to add to my cynicism--it seems that the U.S. has
hired bankruptcy attorneys to advise on the automaker's bailout.

In particular, whether the $17.4 billion would be first in line for repayment ahead of earlier lenders.

Naturally, when the $17.4 billion loan was made, the govt did not work out an inter-creditor agreement that would determine its rights relative to past lenders.

Why does this not surprise me!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aM4zN4WmWxEc&refer=home

Rangel needs to take him lumps. There's no reason to protect him. And this further supports my position that politicians ARE politicians.

This is a sad perfect storm. Just at the time when peanut butter and peanut products would do a lot to help all the folks with economic problems, they're poison.

Bummer!

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197170

Coreen,

There are times when you wonder if they ran for office because there was no way they could hold a real job and then you wonder about the people who elected them.

OTOH, they are smart enough to hold a very cushy, highly paid job with all sorts of privileges unknown to the average person while getting away with being completely useless.

More reality on stimulus politics

"Switchboard operators at the Capitol say that frustrated voters are jamming phone lines with calls to Senators and Congressmen against Obama's and the Democrats' proposed economic stimulus plan. "

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/angry-voters-flood-capitol-with-calls-against-stimulus/

Jack

Kellogg's to drop Michael Phelps:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_sp_ot/swm_phelps_kellogg

It's not all bad news, though. Michael Phelps just got a deal to endorse Baked Lay's!

Blagovich all over again
lol as I said an easy read.

"Reid said he planned to confer with Collins and Nelson. "I think they are very close to coming up with their proposal," Reid said. "I take very seriously what they are trying to do.""

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN0142074920090206?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10112

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197174

Jack, I wonder which right wing noise machine is pushing the ditto heads. The Republicans keep saying that "Americans Overwhelmingly Oppose the stimulous" even going so far as to say "according to Gallup". You have to wonder which itty bitty piece they pulled out of all the data to do that since according to Gallup 75% of the people support the Package and want it passed.

http://www.gallup.com/search/default.aspx?q=stimulus&s=

Jamie

They are concentrating on the non stimulus aspects. There are plenty of folks who are worried about tax and spend out of control type of Democrats.

As to who is calling in protest?
The Republicans have always had a good grassroot organisation.

Jack

Jack

It just irritates me that an equal amount went through under Bush with less oversight, more waste and fewer protests.

Sure there are things in there that probably shouldn't be. I would like a whole lot more dedicated infrastructure rather than handing it over to the states without real strings, but it is what it is and the rate these job loss numbers are going up, they shouldn't be messing around.

"50% Say Stimulus Plan Likely to Make Things Worse

Support for the legislation has been slipping over the past two weeks and a plurality now oppose it. "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/50_say_stimulus_plan_likely_to_make_things_worse

As of today, Obama should stop kissing McCain's ass.

McCain had the chance to make the menu in Obama's restaurant taste better. Instead, based on all the TV footage I saw today, McCain decided to open his own restaurant and say Obama's joint was serving spoiled food that will kill you. That doesn't help anything.

To McCain: You LOST the election, dude. We don't need to refight that battle. The only reason that your crippled arms and grating, whiny voice are getting any attention now on the Senate floor is because Obama reached out to you to help on this stimulus package. If you reject that, and bite the hand that gives you media attention, so be it. But get used to being in the background from now on.

Stop kissing his ass, Obama. He is SCREWING you.

Jamie

When it comes to being two faced the Republicans are shameless.

Remember how they whined about any attempt of the Dems to filibuster.

Jack

Patsi...do you have any strong thoughts/feelings on the subject of UT women's basketball coach Pat Summit? Love her? Hate her? Whatever her?

If you have anything to say, I'd love to get your opinion, since you are right in her backyard and I respect your opinion on all kinds of stuff.

For years and years, I've never liked Summit very much as a person, but at the same time have had total respect for her performance and record as a basketball coach. And I totally love most of the Lady Vols that have come out of her program (even though Sue Bird from UConn is still my all-time favorite woman hoopster).

The main thing about Summit that FOREVER pissed me off (over and above her baseline grating personality) is that she jeopardized her unborn child's life when she went into labor in a jet over Virginia airspace, but insisted that the plane fly on so her child could be born on Tennessee soil. I think that is just plain outrageous, but I'd love to get your take.

If you even care, that is.

I'm trying to figure out if I should give a damn as she approaches victory number 1,000.

"The main thing about Summit that FOREVER pissed me off..."

Let it go, dude.

I'm sorry because I know she's a favorite of many here....but Rachel Maddow talks down to her audience like she is addressing morons.

"What that means is..."
"What they're saying is..."
"You're too stupid to 'get' what I'm saying..."

Sweet Jeezus.

Rachel is wonderful tonight. It is like she is grabbing the scruff of the neck of Congress and shaking until idea penetrates skulls to thick to maintain life.

The Republicans are injuring the people of the United States and someone really needs to stand up to the bastards.

Phelps suspended for 3 months.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AjExZUsnKMGl6MCCKRe6LGw5nYcB?slug=ap-phelpssuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns

Patsi,

."..Rachel Maddow talks down to her audience like she is addressing morons."

I was just watching Rachel and was thinking the exact same thing. I don't usually watch her..

Hmm, Lard -- I know zip about Pat Summit except that she wins basketball games. Had no idea about the child birth issue...no idea what her personality is like.

But then, I pay no attention to basketball college, pro or otherwise....sorry about the lack of info!

Patsi

I don't think she was talking down to her audience. I think she was talking down to Congress and doing it in the simplest way possible for her audience. Most people have never even seen a balance sheet much less have any direct experience with economics.

I think Rachel tries to be too cutsie and it gets on my nerves. .

Lardo

You and Obama must be on the same wave length.

"Clearly impatient after courting Republicans for weeks, Obama shifted into full opposition mode himself, saying Republicans and their ideas had been rejected by voters in November.

"The time for talk is over," Obama said Thursday, citing new unemployment claims that climbed to 626,000 in January. "Those ideas have been tested, and they have failed. They've taken us from surpluses to an annual deficit of over a trillion dollars, and they've brought our economy to a halt. And that's precisely what the election we just had was all about. The American people have rendered their judgment. ""

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/05/MNIG15O6UD.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1

Lard....one question. If Summit went into labor WHILE she was in the air over Virginia, she should have had plenty of time to be in labor before delivering. Unless, like me, her labor lasted less than two hours. Most women are in labor a while.

Obviously I know nothing about that story.

On the other hand, I know that Steve Earle was born in Kentucky, but his grandfather had sent a cigar box filled with dirt from his backyard, so that as soon as the kid came out, they could put his feet in Texas soil....those zany Texans..

Nah, she was talking down, Jamie. She does it all the time. Moreso lately....and I can't figure out why.

What about this idea...

The Patriot Bonus.

$150,000 X 171,000 = $25.65 Billon (just North of $25B).

Give every soldier over in Iraq and Afghanistan $150,000.

-$125,000 is strictly to purchase a home or pay down a mortgage (if a soldier already has his/her home paid off - s/he can transfer that money to a family member to be used for the same purpose).

-$25,000 to do whatever you want with (maybe buy a new car and put some in the bank).

The money will be released immediately and troops will be given the option to keep the money in a US bank account - or release it to someone back in the States.

We can also start a online job site where contractors can offer up their services to start building new homes for the soldiers. (All new homes will meet very high standards in terms of energy efficiency).

You could also do this with $100K to each troop. ($85K tied directly to home purchase or pay-off).

That works out to $17.1 Billion (that's nothing when you think about what we have been giving out recently!)

I know I would sure feel like my money was well spent.

KGC

Why you shouldn't listen to anything Reid says.
Earlier he threatened to keep the senate in session all night.
lol
I guess all night ends before 10pm.

"The Senate adjourned tonight without a deal and planned to try again Friday to pass a bill. As he awaited a final Senate vote, President Obama admonished Republicans for standing in the way of legislation for which he once had hopes of winning broad bipartisan support. "

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/no_deal_in_sena.html

Just how stupid is Harry Reid?

"Claire McCaskill is the worst and stupidest member of the United States Senate, by far, but Reid’s seemingly determined to give her a run for her money ...

Just watch the video above and see him lie and squirm in what’s a classic, textbook definition of a lousy, sleazy politician."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/just-how-stupid-is-harry-reid/

And then anyone who doesn't support the bill doesn't support the troops!!

(Just think - some of the same Republicans who pissed away $350 Billion to failed banks are not willing to step up and provide a fraction of that for the men and women who really deserve a bonus!!)

Anyways, I think it is a really good idea on the substance - on top of its use as a weapon in the political knife fight over this bill.

"And then anyone who doesn't support the bill doesn't support the troops!! "

ROFL, Warren. Too true.

Only one problem -- the Republicans have NEVER believed in supporting the troops. Just in sending them off to die.

Getting Obama’s Birth Certificate into Court

"Despite the “little” bit of coverage, and the comments from our Congressional leaders that “the courts have heard” the cases, the truth is that not one SINGLE court, state, appellate, federal, even the Supreme Court, have actually herad the case on the merits of the case. Instead, the cases have been dismissed at each level for one reason, and one reason only– the Plaintiffs have lacked standing.

Obama has endeared himself to the legacy of Lincoln, so how ironic would it be if the federal False Claims Act were used to force the Obama birth certificate citizenship issue into the courts, on its merits."

http://james4america.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/getting-obamas-birth-certificate-into-court/

Warren

I like it
Works good with Solar's idea the other night.

Two differeant directions to handle the same problem.

Yours is more politically possible than Solar's. He had us giving money to city politicians. Most folks would rather trust a used car dealer.

Heck, I like the tax credit the Senate passed that give everybody who buys a house a 10% tax credit up to $15000. That means I get 10% off the next house I buy.

Jack

Great, let's start the purge here and now. .......
#1 Chris Dodd
#2 Barny Frank
#3 Nacy Pelosi
#4 Harry Reid

We'll burn them in the pending revolution with our focusing solar collectors.

Attention Ms Cracker -
Get out your knitting needles, and put on your barrett.

The Revolution will have a small carbon foot print .......

Patsi:

We can make the $150K a combination of cash and tax cuts as a show of bi-partisanship.

(And if anybody in the GOP doesn't vote for it - they will never live it down!)

Thanks Jack.

I like the tax credit for new home purchases too. I might be in the market for one soon. It is a buyer's market in FL.

Cbob

Why that particular order?

Jack

Warren

As I read it not just new homes but also exixting ones and unlike the current tax credit it is not limited to first time buyers.
HUM
I wonder if I could buy one and the wife could too.
Get double the money. yea that's the ticket.

Jack

Great idea Warren.

Good Night All

"

ET, good reason for less government, not more.

Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | February 5, 2009 3:50 PM
"
Bow -
Better government son, I want better government. Size is not the problem, it's quality of government. It's my fucking government, and I want it back.

Great opinion piece by Dana Milbank of the WaPo
Just about sums up the day in the Senate.

A Horse and Pony Show

"Lawmakers, the saying goes, are either workhorses or show horses. As they debated the economic stimulus package yesterday, senators took this truism a step further: The workhorses and the show horses split into rival herds and began whinnying at each other"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/05/ST2009020503265.html

Jack -
Because Chris Dodd wrote much of the lines that made this mess. And he's getting older by the day, because a jack-ass like me in Lubbock knows it.

If we really want to change government in American , where do we start ?
We start in the Delaware legislature. That's where. All the corporate greed is born in the Delaware legislature. Want to know why share holders have no voice at board meetings in American ? It doesn"t start in some committee that Chris Dodd chairs, it's in the rules for corporations that are written in the Delaware legislature.

That's why you'll get railroaded as a share holder in Houston buddy. Because the Delaware legislature as already written the the rules that Corporation "Z" uses to screw you with.

Exxon is incorporated in Delaware friends, not Texas or Saudi Arabia.

OPh yeah Bob, I forgot Dodd. Now Dodd, Edwards and Richardson teamed up with Obama to screw Michigan and Hillary. What a team Obama has a history of assembling. Edwards? Richardson? Dodd? Christ.....

And the Daschle and Caroline stepped in.

And this is just 17 days in.

I won't bring up Holder....

I agree at least on one point Max.

The economy is much more influenced by what the President does in terms of Foreign Policy - than what he or she tries to do with the economy. With respect to the economy, presidents are given too much credit when it prospers and too much blame when it falters.

In other words, the economy was good under Reagan not because he had a great economic policy - but because he set the stage for peace and US power. And Clinton was no harvard economist - but he sure did a great job of keeping the peace and getting people to like us... Obama should follow their lead.

Peace leads to prosperity and production. (While War is costly destruction.)

When the going gets tough, the tough get out their whips.

One of the kinkier trends to emerge from this recession is that many professional women are turning to dominatrix work to supplement their incomes,

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29017926

lol

Jack

I think he was suggesting a bLue State origin to Dodd not red.

Cbob

Good point

Jack

Warren, amazing, I actually commend your last point. I would say two things. Confidence is essential and Obama has not shown confidence. Second, the lack of confidence is in a great part due to a total lack of firegn policy smarts. Obama will completely change his campaign bravado on Afghanistan. He is confused about Pakistan. He is at a loss on Israel/Hamas and he is completely being out smarted by Iran. Hillary had to break with the BS and start upping the stick.

Some insiders have said that Obama is angry that Iran is totally screwing with his "talking" move and making ever effort to make him look the weak fool. And a reckless Presdient would approve ASATs to counter Iranian advantages in space. They can intercept US communications and see what we are up to. Insiders say that Obama will blame the economy for making weak foreign policy moves. Oh great.....what a change.

This is serious shit. NATO just told Obama he will get LESS help than Bush got in Afghanistan. Is the EU going to embargo arms ships from GAZA? NO. We have a couple of ships and Iran is laughing.

The biggest hole Obama is stepping in besides a beast of a bailout that won't do that much except let some wealthy dudes here buy more housing, is foreign policy. Just what we were arguing about.

Now I am not an Obama enemy. I pray he gets his shit together, but right now Panetta is a worry. DOD wants out of Afghanistan until later when they can say "I told you so". Iran has made Obama look weak and foolish.

It is going to be a LOOOng four years. With friends like Reid and Pelosi, watch out. I don't think there is a big enough bus for Obama to throw them all under.

American History 101 -

Why will Ms. Cracker not get her tax rebate check this year, but instead got an IOU from the state of California ?

Answer :
The ballot initiative process ............................
The ballot initiative process, has tied state government in knots.

Question :
Why did California ever adopt this mistake from the Greeks, where everyone has a voice ?

Answer :
Because the California legislature was once an wholly owned subsidiary of the Southern Pacific Rail Road, and the citizens of California, used that process to take back their government at the turn of the 20th century.

The Southern Pacific Rail Road was incorporated in Delaware, not California folks. That was over 100 years ago. And The Southern Pacific Rail Road doesn't even exist anymore.
But in 1901 they owned state government in California , lock , stock, and barrel.

No one has ever attacked the Delaware legislature to take it from the hands of corporations in American. This cozy relationship goes back to the founding of the gun powder works of the Du Pounts on the Brandywine River.

A very radical idea here tonight folks ...... Corporations are not people, they are pieces of paper. For this they will come and get me long before they come for GORDO.

True Bob, very true. The government just thinks Gordo is nuts....you are more dangerous.

Cbob

For all the problems with the Initiative petition , I prefer having it. Especially when I look across the state line at Kansas.
Some things only get done through direct democracy.

Jack

Night all

A busy day tomorrow.

Jack

"And with good reason"

Because you would have to go through New Jersey to get there?
Or because Upstate New York allows year round hunting and no bag limits on varmits?

Jack

"In other words, the economy was good under Reagan"

Warren! Surely you jest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"like you folk from Kansas. "

Let's have a list of states that "count." I'd like to know which states have "folks" who should just be put on the ice floats...or considered too blue collar to count for much. KMA.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/the-rangel-crisis-in-or-out-do.html#comment-197159

Jamie -- I've flown from Andrews AFB on a general's
plane to (near) Williamsburg, It took about 45 minutes total. For the prez, it's too long to go by helicopter and car. The motorcade would have caused havoc on I-95. Too risky by train, which would also wreck a commuter system. I've taken a train from Union Station to Williamsburg and it took a couple of hours.

Jack -
Right your are, but the underling fault in that system took 75 years to surface, and now California has no way forward. They are prisoners of the system there.

Trust me we don't want to be able vote everyone off the island. that's the lesson of Athens, it's why Washington, and his friends used Sparta, more than the Athenians as their teachers.

AHMADINEJAD GIVES PRESIDENT HUSSEIN LIST OF DEMANDS: FIRST, ACCEPT NUCLEAR IRAN

"You have to hand it to President Hussein. He managed to shatter decades of American hegemony as leverage in dealing with our mortal enemies in just ...... days. It's staggering, two weeks and Iran is setting conditions for our surrender."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/ahmadinejad-gives-president-hussein-list-of-demands-first-accept-nuclear-iran.html

republicans invested corporations with the characteristic of personality in 1881, so that they could have standing to sue in courts. So, blame the republicans if you don't like it, truemax.

Only a republican would call Sen. McCaskill dumber than imhofe, kyl, muck cain, bunning, or cornyn. No party in the last 25 years has produced a senator lower creature on the evolutionary ladder than bunning. He makes even jesse the blowhard ventura look like a human being. So, you outed yourself again, GORDO. PUMAMA

bowmanc, we can eliminate 45% of the govenment, including 100% of the waste and fraud (if not the abuse) by simply taking all the government jobs away from the republicans. That would give us a much slimmer, much less expensive, much more effective Washington.

If you had really favored small government, you wouldn't have supported the bushcrime family, the homeland security fiasco, the Iraq fiasco, or the nationalization of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Your true colors have already been demonstrateds, so you can drop the phoney 'fiscal conservative' pose. By comparison to the $14 TR!LL!ON republican financial fraud and BIg Government UberBloat, the Stimulus Package is quite tiny.

I don't like kansas very much. I actually drove past muck cain lawn signs. Yuck.

Max ..... my name was a gift, not a pick.

WELCOME TO THE OBAMA ERA: NO ONE IS SAFE

"They smell blood. The free world is without a leader, a staunch defender. Iran knows it."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/welcome-to-the-obama-era-no-one-is-safe-.html

Xrep,

You are a scream. I just wonder about your fraud figures. I thought that Blago was a democrat so that has to change the figure to at least 99.9% Then there is the rest of the Chicago crowd another 5%, shall I continue?

It is a nice fantasy to have such binary thinking. All republicans bad, all democrats good.

I come from the printing industry we understand that just black & white doesn't show the whole picture, it is much better when you add the shades of gray, but that might complicate your simplistic thinking.

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Max -
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I'm the top hit , have been for a while .

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Like I said get a better screen name and call me in the morning.

Patsi,

Steve Earle's father moved the family to San Antonio because he worked for the FAA as an Air Traffic Controller and there Steve was raised. One thing can be said about Steve is that he is not afraid of commitment. He has been married numerous times. (7)

He is a very prolific songwriter, imo. Remember when Steve was so fat? That I have heard was from the Methadone he was taking after kicking Heroin. Can anyone verify that?

Wikipedia claims Steve was born at Fort Hampton, Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Earle

I'm watching Sen "john" David Vitter on CSPAN talking about ACORN in relation to the stimulus package. Why is this guy allowed to show his face without someone every day talking about his DC madam HOOKERS? "John" is up for reelection in 2010. This guy was paying for HOOKERS with his senate salary while Katrina was hitting the shore of Louisiana. He was with his HOOKER when Bush and Brownie were flying over over his home state!!! He's a family values conservative!!! Where is his hooker now...some reporter needs to find her AND put her on TV....HOOKERGATE!!!!