Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Craig,

I can't come up with any suggestions this early in the morning, but I'm going to leave the curser in the right space and see what my cats come up with when the walk on the keyboard between now and noon.

Your Transitory Custody sounds pretty good.

Great suggestions. I think a combination would work as well. Maybe transitory management?

Perhaps, something with "Marriage" in it.

penury parole

pecuniary parcelling

Interim custodian of assets

capital capitolization

craig, your eighth line needs help... or are we so deep in the woods that nothing would help us out

Why Nationalize at all?

How about Super Support !!

One correction ....
"Impermanent Management -- too many m's and e's, wood look blurry on a cable news crawl."--- I do like the "wood" look... not often the Ping catches these as I am the one that normally creates them..

The most dispassionate appraisal I've yet seen on our involvement in the Afghan/Pakistan/Taliban mess:
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13144915

Craig,

I missed it, but Patsi's right. I would try a different type of wood.

Oops, let's give credit where it's due: PatD, not Patsi.

Ha -- Ed -- I was thinking, "wood"???

greening the greenbacks

pre-emptive parsimony

detention and rendition

Krugman on nationalization:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/opinion/23krugman.html?ref=opinion

"Custodialize?"

how about customize.... connotes muscle cars and six pacs.

or consumerize?

Craig, why not call it what it will be: Government receivership?

How about "Re-guarantying" the banks? Sounds less ominious, more safe. Like the government is just going to have the banks go to the safe place now until they are ready to come out and play with the other financials.

Capitol recapitalization

Howard Kurtz n Twittermainia: http://tinyurl.com/dnjk2f

Putting on the old, fiduciary athletic cup

or better yet...

Babysitting

prolonged temporary confusion of the illusion of control.......

Really enjoyed last night's thread. Can't say the same for the show except for Ben "J Phoenix" Stiller, Steve Martin & Tina Fey & Steve Martin, and some of the music.

So, was the "leaked" list correct? I didn't pay attention to the non-entertainment portion...which was most of it. I guess it was kind of cool when the gang of former winners confronted the new group of noms...but it was a litte wierd, too.

I did think Jennifer Aniston looked really uncomfortable.

Had to laugh at Craig's twitter about the way they stand on the red carpet. They teach them to stand that way just in case their eating disorder isn't doing the trick. I hope Matthew Broderick was just mocking everyone else.

I got teary-eyed every time they showed a clip from Wall-ee. (I guess I did see a couple of movies on the list; they come out on DVD so fast now.) My other fave was In Bruge...except for the icky stuff at the beginning, middle & end. Funny, funny, funny.

Temporary occupation, member FDIC

Operation Keep Your Hands Out of The Peoples' Cookie Jar

New word for Nationalization : Capital Capitolization

Craig A+ again for providing a needed distraction in these economic times. The pundits focus on this critcal issue is as effective as that of our new Government.

Let’s recap the short period - First we have the hidden social agenda non debated rush through spendulus – that was to solve the problem, then we have the Treasury, then housing and now the flavor of the week for Barack is the Bank’s….

Now read that list and I ask you – does he have his priority in order?

This new Government get’s an F

No wonder the Barack collapse of our Economy is increasing. Look at the market since he was elected. Good Business leaders, Corp Executives and Board rooms around the world are asking this question - And as was said in previous post – look what we got.

To bad we do not have a charismatic leader in the White House.

We're going to need a Soviet dictionary.

diva - I like that one the best so far. It sounds like something they might really use.

I guess "babysitting" is a little condescening.

Cbob... That was so Strug like

You do not need dictionary, comrade; vee vill tell you vat to say.

Ping -
You remind me of a drunk upside down in a ditch, complaining about the paint job on the ambulance.

mornin'.

Craig, buddy, I think you've hit on the winner with transitory control. Since you're having angst over the verb formof custody, perhaps transitory management would work for ya. (Now that I look upthread, I see that I'm a day late and a dollar short - again - with that suggestion - here's a shout out to Naomi. What's that old saying about great minds?). Of course I suppose you could try transitory democratization or better yet, transitory republicanization. Both are a little clunky and don't really man anything, but they might not give the republican anti-socialization crowd much to work with, particularly the second one..

Ping, you get an A+ for your classroom participation in both your disingenuity and delusionism classes today. And you receive an honorable mention on your relabeling project.

One thing I've been saving is CITI Group.
The Reagan Revolution held as one of it's most important tenets , that corporations should be free to get as large as they damn well please.
CITI was the largest bank in the world. "A super market of financial services ...... "
Remember that line ?
Now, they're wandering D.C. with a tin cup in their hands. When we allow corporations to concentrate large blocks of their market , we don't protect them from going over a cliff, we just have a bigger pile of wreckage in a bigger crater at the bottom.

I have an idea for what to call the bank nationalization. It is Pest Control. You know, they go in, clean out all the rats, rodents and other pesky critters and leave.
Unfortunately the name is already in use.

I couldn't watch the Oscars because our Dish Network won't carry the local networks. I watched City Slickers again.

a strugism in time saves nine.........

We need to just admit that this economic crisis was caused by financial criminality at the highest levels and call it:

Interim Incarceration

Bank official accepting his award at the Big Bank Bailout Bash:

"I'd like to thank all the little people who made this award possible."

Cbob, Pogo -- So you agree that it was more important to place social agenda ahead of fiscal recovery?

The numbers speak loudly for themselves.

But what can we expect for a Community organizer that has no experience and is being pulled by so many.

I guess my Ambulance must be upside down also...

Here's my nomination for the federal bank program Craig:

House Arrest

Lardo: like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efgLHgsBmM&feature=related

How about Nationalize.
Let's stay away from new wordsmithing such as "detainees", "person of interest" and other words that have the intent of fooling people.
Let's keep Madison Avenue where it belongs--making television commercials.

The bean counters are coming out with some more details about just how bad it was in Australia . This story, just deals with the heatwave before the fires.

" Monash University’s Professor Neville Nicholls analysed funeral notices to estimate a sudden 45 per cent jump in deaths in late January - 100 at least in Melbourne and more than 200 across south-eastern Australia. The three most deadly days were from Wednesday, January 28, to Friday, January 30. ............................ The actual toll of the heatwave may prove to be higher than Professor Nicholls’ estimate. Data from the Coroner’s Office reveals that his figures are probably too conservative. Deaths reported to the Coroner during the heatwave were 2.5 times more than at the same time last year. "

In Melbourne, the ambulance service responded to 1600 jobs a day, double the normal figure of 800.

‘‘People have forgotten about the heatwave, but it had more of an effect on us than the bushfires,’’ Mr Holman said.

‘‘We did more jobs in those four days than we had ever done before.’’

Heatwave left hundreds dead

http://www.watoday.com.au/national/heatwave-left-hundreds-dead-20090221-8ea4.html?page=-1

Good one Sturge. Hell, I think we ought to just put Gomer in charge of Citi.

Ping -
I won't speak for Pogo, he's got that covered pretty good, but I love it when you whisper conservative double speak in my ear.

Ping - Now, let's get the facts straight. On the day the stimulus package was signed by President Obama, the stocks tanked. Why? Because most business leaders and economists believed it was not big enough. Why wasn't it big enough? Come on, I know you know the answer....

Here's a little something about nationalization of banks from someone who actually seems to understand this stuff - Krugman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/opinion/23krugman.html?ref=opinion

No, Ping, I disagree with your premise. You and the rest of the RW have been spewing spendulous, social agenda before fiscal blah blah blah without so much as pointing out what you think supports that proposition, instead asserting that a few million bucks of spending you don't agree with or in your case "The numbers speak loudly for themselves" makes your point (it doesn't) and while complaining that Obama's package didn't contain enough or the right (read regressive) tax cuts, and you consistently ignore the fact that Obama was handed a steaming plate of shit from Bush in the form of an economic downturn (read recession) that had begun 14 months before (with the downturn toward recession having begun at least a year and a half before that), went almost completely ignored by Bushco for the past 6-10months - except of course for th ecompletely ineptly handled TARP fiasco last Fall and repeatedcalls for more tax cuts despite the demonstarion in spades that they don't work to create a sustained healthy economy - and reached close to its bottom (we can only hope) by the time he took office.

Focused tax cuts and government spending that has been demonstrated to produce a stimulus effect with a higher multiplier than general taxcuts as an approach - if that's consideredby credible economists as putting a social agenda before fiscal recovery, well then I guess maybe I do agree with that. I caught a little bit of Bobby Jindal trying to put that spin on the economic recovery effort passed by Congress and signed by Obama- he sounded like an idiot.Mrs.P- who used to be a Big 8 accountant, was laughing at him.

Ping's right.

Lets not take over those failing institutions. Let them fail. So what if millions of depositors lose there life savings. We must protect corporate American for those fascist Republicans.

Besides we all know they have their money off shored in the Cayman Islands or one of those secret accounts in Switzerland.

Is that where your keeping you money Ping? Are you on the cheat sheet of the IRS whose names are being turned over to them by the Swiss Banks?

Citi Group and BOA are insolvent and we have already poured billions of dollars into them.

All that money that we didn't know about by the Fed and Treasury that Your President Bush\Cheney gave them last year.

So lets let them fail. Capitalism at its best. Let the losers go under and take peoples life savings away from them to protect the share holders and CEO's and Wall Streets money.

Ping -
See, Pogo speaks pretty well.
And to that I say :

"Atta Boy Pogo".

Transition to Independent Banking

Dayum - my first Atta Boy in months. Gracis amigo.

The " Weather" report down under -

Scores of Australians flee new wildfire flare-ups

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1106ap_as_australia_wildfires.html

A prediction from me, a financial idiot. In MHO I don't think anything the government does will fix this economy. It was an economy based on phony money. Throwing more money at it will not fix the mess even if it may postpone the inevitable.

The economy will just have to establish a new floor and people will have to learn how to live on the money they have not the money they wish they had.

CB, knowing that you don't like to leave things until the last moment, here's the "Today in History " link for March 1 that appeared in the NYT today. Apparently NYT doesn't like to leave things until the last moment, either.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/23/us/AP-History.html

This could start a trend - putting up "this day in history" posts for some other day. I don't know why - just punchy I guess - but this struck me as funny.

The Program for Banking Fundamentals (thank you Frank Luntz)

Better Banks for a Better America

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-202924

jimsepa - that is not what I have heard in the business world- that it was not big enough... the first question was - What the Heck is it and why so many distractions !!!

And have the stocks ever had such a slide after an election in history.....

Where is the Hope?!! That is all we have - and Hope is not a strategy - (line taken from a book)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/sunday-chuckles.html#comment-202726

don, sorry, am on the last dregs. lent coming up and before i get out the old hairshirt, whip and dead fish i drinkup everything in the house. only 38 hrs left.... so much to do so little time left to do it.

diva, champ beat you to it at 7:19 with his "Capitol recapitalization" which is a more accurate and a correction of one of my earlier attempts. great minds tho' you know.

What that idiot who was ranting on the floor of the exchange failed to tell everyone is how much money those traders make.

Many, many years ago I was a runner for a firm who traded on the Mercantile Exchange Trading floor. I was told at that time to be able to even trade on the floor you had to put up $100,000.00 dollars. I'm fairly confidant that its a lot more now.

Those guys make millions every year with their trade deals they make so naturally they don't want to give up that money if they can help it.

I guess when the market reaches 5,000 or less they will cry how Obama did nothing to save the economy and that maybe he should have Nationalize the failing Banks like BOA, Citi Group and others.

Of course by then they too will be out of work.and that would not make me feel sorry for them one bit.

Craig -

This is the price Democrats are paying for purging George Lakoff. I have two quick comments. President Obama should use the word "investment" instead of spending and use "receivership" instead of nationalization.

Thank you,

Steve Wisensale

Steady Banking Act

Why be so pussyish about it..... in this new age of transparency.... call it what it really is...... governmental money laundering.....

I watched a little bit of the Oscars..... I'm not into award shows of any type.... to me making a lot of money doing what one loves should be reward enough for anyone..... I thought Bill Maher's whining about not being nominated was completely obnoxious.....

Yesterday I was hearing "Rolly Polly Fish Heads " ........ in my head today it's -

Wish you Were Here

So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell,
blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?
And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?
How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have you found? The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic

Considering that Bush\Cheney did everything they could to keep the American People in the dark about the economy collapsing last year you sure still love to spout Bush\Cheney, Republican talking points.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-202925

pogo - let me clear it up.. I have not committed on the specfics that you point out.... How can anyone with so much in the bill. What I am hearing now local are opportunities for stimulus dollars.

My point is we need Confidence and solid leadership. President Obama is much less the confidence builder then Candidate Obama. He has put the cart before the horse - pay back those that helped him get there .

We can agree that Mulitpliers are the key - the Private Sector can be so much more powerful.. But the direction Obama and the new government is taking does not put the trust in this sector.

Yes clean it up, Put First things first....

Bush/Cheney Banking Rehabilitation Act

Ms. Cracker takes a commanding lead !

" GO Cracker GO ! "

Yo Chef ......... What's cookin?

I was reading a few articles in The Economist with breakfast..... they apparently are not impressed with Tim Geitner..... they said he was only continuing the Bush policies and that he was timid....

Ssshhh!!! Don't let the Repub;icans know that we're onto them.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19158.html

This is just delicious. Gingrich and Norquist back at the helm - and Boner leading the charge in Congress to come up with an alternative to Obama's healthcare reform plan? Think he'll be able to swing enough dems in the house or the Senate to defeat the budget bill? He's just been outmaneuvered. 2010 may not be too bad for Dems no matter what happens with the economy.

Investment Management or Stockholder Oversight

We already gave them a bundle now we are just controlling what they do with it.

I feel as If I should wave something and hollar

Thank you all you commie, homo loving people!!!

Sean Penn was wonderful and I was so glad he won for Milk. O'Rourke was good, but Penn has a life time of great work, not just one come back role.

Ping -
" What I am hearing now local are opportunities for stimulus dollars."

That clears it up for me.

ReBoot Banking

What I meant to say

Reboot for Better Banking

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-202904

Oh come on Ping ... "Look What we've got" "look who gave it to us"

Excuse me, but Bush ran this country into a ditch with payoffs to all of his rich buddies, an off the budget multi billion dollar war, and destruction of reputation around the world with his neocon kill the towel heads attitudes and you want to blame the guy he handed the mess just 30 days ago?

If Obama fails it will be because Bush simply made such a horrendous mess that no one could get us out of it. Bush should be on trial. As it is let's hope he just disappears into well deserved ignominy in Texas never to be heard from again.

We better step up our research on alzheimers -it appears epidemic among Republicans

Federal Annuity & Recession Transition, or FART for short.

I think we need to more than rebound. We need to change the behavior that got us into this mess in the first place. Hear about the Chinese coming in and buying real estate? Someone was talking last night with Zakaria that Asia (including India) has saved up for just such an event and will rebound quite nicely. Our savings rate? Zilch.
We need more than confidence to get out of this one, which is why just standing strong and acting tough isn't enough.

Ping _
Here's the heart of the energy portion of the Stim Bill -

A 3-year Production Tax Credit (PTC) extension through the end of 2012
An option to elect a 30% Investment Tax Credit (ITC) in place of the PTC
An option to convert the Investment Tax Credit into a grant for projects placed in service in 2009, or 2010, or placed in service before 2013 provided construction begins in 2009 or 2010
A new $6 billion Department of Energy renewable energy and transmission loan guarantee program, which should fund around $60 billion in principal amount of guaranteed loans
Authority for the Western Area Power Administration to borrow up to $3.25 billion from the Treasury to build renewable transmission lines in the western United States, including western Texas

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The Energy Bill is about to come down the pike, the Climate Bill is coming after that.
But just thinking about exactly what got signed in law last week. We are about to string one hell of a lot of new wires in this country.

Ping, pardon my skepticism, but if you can't point out what social agenda items are being put before fiscal recovery and blame the size of the bill for your inability to do so, I have to conclude that you don't have any facts to back up the assertion, so either stop mouthing the meme or provide some specifics. And wake up - the private sector was given its chance to demonstrate its ability to perform over the past 8 years beginning with tax cuts on the front end and ending up with TARP funds on the back end. The private sector flunked its test. What possibly leads yo to believe that the private sector is willing to forego short term profits over responsibly developing a potentially sustainable higher level of activity? Nothing in the recent past - and I'll stretch that time frame back to the 70s, suggests that is a likelihood.

CB, loved the Gilmour-Waters morning fix. Muchas Gracias!

The previous inspired by the Southern California Area Transit. I've never understood why they're proud to have SCAT on the side of their buses.

Social agendas like going Green and paying veterans what we owed them. There were social agenda items like birth control, but they were removed. Of course, funding only abstinence only programs was not a social agenda.

The energy meeting is on C-Span 2 Just started .

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-202955

Jamie - As i have said before - Bush A+ on terror and D- on Economy - acted like he was Chris Dodds or Barney Frank or Nancy P - but smarter then Harry R

acted like he was Chris Dodds or Barney Frank or Nancy P - but smarter then Harry R..
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Ping
that's a pile of poop. Bush didn't do a good job on terror either. After all the fake housing market was a plank in Bush's fake war against terror. As acting like the Democrats .
Hardly. Bush and the Republicans were totally in charge
and they acted like Republicans...benign regulation and hoping for self discipline -too bad there wasn't recognition of Republican moral values --unchecked greed.

Craig

These people may be able to help with the wording.

http://thepeoplescube.com/

KGC - I somewhat agree - All of them on the Hill - Republicans and Democrats - both let this happen.

It is so easy to say how one pointed out danger in the past - but if so dangerous why stop?

The Republicans had their cleanng - now on to those that have been there... As in the names I mentioned above that need to go.

CLEAN UP

The Smart Grid -
Just looking at the last two provisions above, we are about to build at least three large east / west lines. My guess is I-80 , I-40 , and I-10 .

We are about to engineer those wires so that a wind turbine making peak power at Goodland , Kansas is talking to a wind turbine at Sweetwater , Texas. And it's telling it's sister machine in Sweetwater, that it's electrons, are going to the east coast to run Craig's coffee pot at 5:30 in the morning. Now it's still 4:30 A.M. at Goodland, but it's 2:30 at the Altamont pass. People are fast asleep in Denver, they're not running dish washers. The "Smart Grid" is sending every electron from every turbine to the east coast to run Ping's toaster. Ping has a new meter on that wire that connects him to the "Smart Grid". His solar panels are telling the grid that's a sunny morning in Florida, and as the sun gains the sky, they're going to be taking up the load at PIng's house. That meter is going to tell Ping's dish washer when is the cheapest time to wash his dishes. Ping has the option of programing every plug in his house, so they all work at the cheapest time possible.

Tell your grand children to study electrical engineering.

Best name would be: Theft

If we protect people who bought houses they shouldn't have, why not the small investor?

Would be cheaper to buy out all the shareholders at current prices than continue investing money.

We should be putting that money into successful bank instead.

Germany has been running signals through their grid for decades to set back furnaces and water heaters at night. We don't need a smart grid to do that, we need smart appliances.

Ahem. Ana Marie Cox explains Twitter*

http://anamariecox.typepad.com/ana_marie_cox/so-youre-following-me-on-twitter.html

*for those who are too afraid to ask

Ping

Stop trying to blame Democrats. It won't work. The Republicans were in charge. Democrats did try to introduce more responsible spending and taxes to pay for it.

David Obey wanted to introduce a war tax but fear of Republican hysteria put the kaboosh on it.

There will be no recovery until Republicans are willing to admit their policies and theirs alone caused this.
Lack of regulation, lack of funded oversight, fake terrorism
and laisse faire governance --the allmarks of this centuries Republican values
as for house cleaning that's a joke --the same republicans who were in charge are still in charge. The only Republicans who are really gone are the ones like Lincoln Chaffee

The United States Banking System -- or---The United States Citizens Banking System

The united states = Talking points,, that it is for all Americans,,,including the Republicans,,,Independents ,,,,middle class that does all the heavy lifting,,,,etc,,,etc,,

citizens Banking System= ownership of all Americans,,,and will recoup most of it's money back,,,,,,this one works for all Americans that are pissed of,,,,,,GET YOUR $ BACK

Did not watch the Awards last night,( haven't for 6-7years now),,,,Just like I don't watch any sports anymore, ( I do Championships) They are part of the problem than got us into this mess in the first place,,,,people used to say that they,,,CEO's ,,,Entertainers, Athletes,,, were worth whatever the $ that the Chumps ( us) would pay for the tickets,,,and the networks that charge tens of millions for a 30 second ad proves it,,,,we pay for this,,cos the corps,,,,just like Jax...used to say,,,,I just pass it of the Clients,,,and they in turn pass it of to the consumer

The energy Meeting is on,,,and will give Pickens an excellent networking opportunity ( the sole one speaking with all of the power brokers???),,,,there should be more than one energy corp in the meeting,,,,,,will he get no bid contracts,,,,,I get his e mails all the time,,,,I get some good out of them,,,and some not so good,,,,,I think that we can go along with him, on a proven performance contracts of yearly proven results,,,,,and leaving the door open to new contractors that will be developing new ways of energy products,,and new ways of energy conservation no? Although Pickens --I believe is all about $ he does have the means to help get things going in the right direction?>

So we are going to be very impressed by today's meeting,,cos of all the people there but,..,,

Don't me impressed by what shines,,,,,,Ask what that shiny thing does,,,,and how much it does,,,and where will it do it,,,Oh how much does it cost us,,,and a lot of more questions,,,,

don't one - a tankless demand water heater and programmable thermostat go a long way toward that end. Throw a solar panel in and you've got the makings of a home energy trifecta. I suggest that the combination of a smart grid and smart people will be more effective than smart appliances (although I HIGHLY recommend replacing the old energy hogs with newer EnergyStar ones when they wear out or the home budget allows). And leave my coffee pot alone - it's plenty smart and it's off limits.

Ping -
Did you call for Dick Army , Tom Delay, Rick Santorum, to go when it was their turn to go ?

I think a lot of the Democratic leadership needs to be swept away, my list is probably longer than yours.

Wapo article on former Gitmo prisoner - A ticking time bomb goes off

http://tinyurl.com/dcv4q6

Added to my post,,,,,if it was a group of scientist,,educating us all ( the general public) not just a biz man,,the Corps,,,,,,then I would tend to be more positive about this meeting,,,it will be impressive cos of the people that are going to be there,, and will toss around some great language,,,,but

All of the appliance management could be done over broadband or the electric wires

Early cable applications to city talked about the Wired Nations
unfortunately not enacted...another short sighted move on the part of decision makers.

Sacramento California choose planting trees as a benefit provided by the cable company over reading meters by cable

We had tankless on demand systems in Turkey. While I wouldn't want the bottle of propane in my bathroom, I certainly liked the way they work. I looked into adding that here in the US and they're ridiculously expensive.

I'm actually thinking of adding a solar collector water heater. Partly for hot water use and partly so I can have a hot tub. I miss my deep soak hot tub but there's no way I can afford to heat on these days. Funny how no matter what the price of gas and fuel do, utilities keep finding a reason to go up.

I keep thinking banks are going the way of transit systems, where their real customers are the government agencies that fund them.

KGC...

Your being to hard on Ping.

Bush does get a A+ for terror since he created so many more terrorists by torturing those in our custody.

Its too bad though that instead of helping to create less terrorists he harmed out country so much more with his and the Republican Policies he instituted.

AP

oops my bad :))))

Pogo-----( Bethy maybe I can answer your question here)

Don't forget about solar panels for the new and existing homes,,,they are not the roof typs panels,,,they are ,,from concrete footings (no foundation concrete walls) to what ever level the house is going to be,,,,these are 8 inch wall panels that are put together by an interlocking system,,,,,along with all other Ideas ,good ones that conserve,,,and new ones ,,,,wind turbines etc,,,what ever they may be,,,,,,the ones Im talking about will save up to 80 % of energy bill right now,,,not tomorrow,,,,,now more heating,,,and air cond,, bills to speak of,,,,,and with solar roofing panels,,,and , the water tanks that will conserve
energy,,,,it is all great,,,,the problem is educating the public to them,,,,and having them afford them,,,,,,that is what this meeting should be about IMO,,not just talk about the future,,,we can do exterior Solar panels now.

The Problem With 'Nationalization'
Unlike Sweden, Congress would quickly politicize seized bank assets.

"From the beginning, the handling of the U.S. crisis has been politicized. The partisanship is as toxic as the bad assets on bank balance sheets. Both parties are coming up with schemes to impede the process of foreclosing on homeowners who can't afford their homes, which would get those homes into the hands of new owners who can afford them. Does anyone believe that a government bad bank will squeeze homeowners? To ask the question is to answer it."

"Rather than focusing on ways in which we can further involve the government in the financial system, we need to find ways to extricate banks from government's deadly embrace. Banks, at least the behemoths, were public-private partnerships before the crisis. Deposit insurance, access to the Fed's lending, and the implicit (now explicit) government guarantee for banks "too big to fail" all constituted a system of financial corporatism. It must be ended not extended."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123535183265845013.html

How Burris blew it
"A Burris insider was more blunt: “This thing has snowballed into something that can’t go on,” he said. “It’s a disgrace — 30 years of service ... and all of a sudden he’s a criminal
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19148.html

I watched 12 O'Clock High again this weekend. And I was reminded of the current fashion to say that only World War II pulled us out of the depression. One thing we spent money on was the Atom Bomb. 2 Billion dollars in fact on a deal that no one knew would work until they shot the first off at the Trinity Site.

But we spent even more money on the B-29. Nearly 2.5 Billion dollars.
Because without the B-29 to deliver it, the Atom Bomb was just a physics experiment.
Two projects from the War, that put hundreds of thousands of people to work.
If the New Deal failed , remember it took the biggest government spending spree in history, World War II to end the Depression .

"Rather than focusing on ways in which we can further involve the government in the financial system, we need to find ways to extricate banks from government's deadly embrace. Banks, at least the behemoths, were public-private partnerships before the crisis. Deposit insurance, access to the Fed's lending, and the implicit (now explicit) government guarantee for banks "too big to fail" all constituted a system of financial corporatism. It must be ended not extended."

With out a third party,,,the pendulum just swings back and forth,,,,,After the R's rob and give our $ to themselves and the corps that help them,,,,the D's rescue us by taxing the Rich (as it should be) and give $ to the corps that help them and the Unions etc,,,and the people that are to lazy to go to work,,,,so until there is a third party I believe that we will never see the end to this,,,,,the problem now is that the R's have no limits to the theft of our &,,,they used to leave some $ in the banks,,,and now,,,,they don't leave anything, but a bad taste,,,,if we don't learn from this mess it is still our faults,,,,and all of the loyalists from both partys are the most at fault,,,they just blame each other and keep it all going ,,,,,and down deep,,,they know it,,,,,but belonging to an in group,,and identifying with one or the other is more important iI guess?
Obama will be better but no diff......wait and see,,,he also has his favorite corps,,,that got him into the white house.

Craig should be making this list soon, I hope. :)

The 10 most influential D.C. Twitterers
"When you talk about Twitter, you might as well be talking about the Snuggie: People around you swear that it’s actually useful, but you can’t help thinking it silly and declaring, “I just don’t get what all the buzz is about.

But in Washington, the social networking and microblogging service is quickly becoming part of the daily media diet — and a powerful tool in the hands of those who are adept at making their points in 140 characters or fewer."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19145.html

solar, you got a link to a manufacturer of those panels? I'd like to do some browsing (although the south and west facing foundation walls of my house are shaded until about noon in the summer and get only filtered light in the winter.

don't one - I don't have the propane probem, being in an area where NG is my primary fuel, piped into my basement and everything - and the cost of tankless heaters is beginning to drop some as larger appliance manufacturers like Bosch get on the train and Lowes and Home Depot start to carry them. Americans seem a little hinky about them, but then, Americans tend to be hinky about things they aren't familiar with, don't they? I'm redoing a garage apartment we have above our garage and plan to put a tankless heater in. I only need a small one thankfully and should be able to get one for around $700. Not cheap, but for the life of it considering the sporadic use and the lack of heat loss from a tank, not bad.

Ministers get look at Antarctic Global Threat

http://tinyurl.com/czqu24

chloe, wapo also titters on about the twitterers today

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html?hpid=news-col-blog

patd, some wise words from that wapo twitter article:

" Being on Twitter counters "the whole notion that newscasters speak from Olympus," and yet "it leaves you open to some rich contempt and mockery. You don't want to overshare."

...and did you notice he quoted Craig on page 3?

As the Burris saga drags on, Craig Crawford points out that one person hasn't weighed in:

"One cross word from President Barack Obama himself would probably end his party's latest nightmare -- the utterly ridiculous situation of Roland Burris in the United States Senate.

"It is not that this is Obama's problem. But it becomes his problem if the president tolerates this fool any longer."

pogo,
There wouldn't be a problem here in the US. It was the 70s and a country struggling with modernizing. The landlord would send one of his kids down to stand in a long line to have it refilled. But the other house I lived in had a wood burning water heater, so the propane was a luxury.

I'd love to see the price drop, I'm not sure where the cost/savings benefit line with tank heaters is.

No one seems to talk about geothermal heat pumps any more either.

Pogo

I have a meeting tomorrow that will be a land signing meeting ( If not canceled the city has canceled twice now,,,but never this at this late time so,,,looks good this time),,,,is all goes well and it should,,,,I also will become a distributor of these solar panels,,,,but either way I will give you that info,,,,,,Have an E mail that I can send,,,,,,,mine is solarcrete@comcast.net

But now lunch (early one but) hahaha ,,,I've been waiting for that,,,perfect timing.

that's what i get for taking so long to read today's thread. just fixed the typo you guys caught above.

sorry i could only twitter Oscar last night, but like i said, had gone to a watch party in the suburbs and so far haven't figured out how to post here with my phone. it is probably smart enough to do it, but so far i'm not

After reading the AnnMarie-lost-any-cred-on-Imus-last-year-Cox' link, it seems like twitter might replace the reality show...it might start off as a convenience, but once too many people get addicted...

Eventually, everyone will be twittering and nobody will really be following because they'll be so absorbed in their own twitter.

The root of the word twitter speaks volumes.

Craig's comment wasn't posted when I was writing my twitter post. Before anybody accuses me of calling anyone a twit, I just meant that twitter can get out of hand if it's as addictive as every other techie thing.

Maybe the fat cats can give up bailout money for Lent.

Geez, were Angelina Jolie's earrings made out of kryptonite???

http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/photos/85-oscars-fashion-report-card?nc

I think we should call it Interim Guardianship. It's nice and simple.

I haven't tried twitter yet because, like UB I think it was, I have issues with people knowing where I am all the time. It's just seems creepy to me. I was stalked and attacked before. The police after questioning him concluded he had been following me for about 4 months. I wonder how long it will be before we start hearing about people using twitter for the wrong (and dangerous) reasons.

Maybe the fat cats can give up bailout money for Lent.

Posted by: blueINdallas | February 23, 2009 12:50 PM

Made my day!

solar, sent you an e-mail. Rheem claims that the tankless WHs save @ 30% over conventional gas and 50% over conventional electric water heaters. I've talked with a couple guys who have installed them and they warned me to make sure that I had the water checked for hardness (ours is not hard) - that mineral deposits screw them up pretty quickly, at least as WHs go. I'm probably not going to save a nickel by installing one in the garage, but I want to see how well they work in a residential setting.

KGC, if you're nominating blue for COMMENT OF THE DAY, let's do it:

"Maybe the fat cats can give up bailout money for Lent. -- Posted by: blueINdallas"

Just try to keep your speech shorter than Winslet's

Why does everyone think using twitter people know where you are and follow your life? They won't know unless you tell them.

I use it mostly for getting news real time. I get alerts from all of the major news organizations and interim updates from journalists and event organizers. Like today, McCain, McCaskill, and several journalists are twittering from the fiscal summit at the Whitehouse. Judicial Watch lets me know what issues they're following with a link to the full article.

Pickens (I'm sure it's not him) is giving a play by play of the energy summit, and a few friends are twittering impressions of new software they're using.

There are a few internet marketing people on and things become 'viral' even faster, like the Ashton Kutcher link Craig repeated.

Every once in a while I sound off with thoughts about an issue, which I'm sure are completely ignored.

There are no privacy issues here at all.

Ha, twitter. Another thing for me to worry about with LP. Funny story, at least to me. Two weeks ago LP's school had its middle school sweetheart dance. Because the middle school is split between the high school, that has a laissez-faire principal who trusts students, but holds them accountable, and the elementary school, that has a tight assed principal who trusts no one but holds no one accountable for anything, sixth graders can only go to the dance if asked by a 7th or 8th grader. LP is in the 6th grade and was asked to the dance - by the 7th grade daughter of the tight assed elementary school's principal. It all happened via texting on their cell phones. The principal was reading the text messages on her daughter's phone and almost had a coronary over her darling daughter asking a boy - particulary a 6th grader - to the dance and forbade her from doing so, so LP didn't get to go. A couple days later, for no apparent reason, the principal came into LP's class and gave the kids a lecturette about the dangers associated with texting people (which I am sure she sees an an entry level social activity that will eventually lead to sex) - and according to LP she stared at him the entire time. So anywho, since LP's phone has internet access, as does his IPod, I guess he's not safe anywhere. Glad he doesn't twitter or facebook - yet.

CC

Absolutely---

don't - you mean McCain has learned to use a computer? I thought - actually heard from Hannity - No. 2 lying voice of the conservative world - that he couldn't because of the injuries he received as a POW. HMMMM, who to believe...

The guy sounds like a putz, pogo....

Pogo

I'm a G C,,,,,and have heard the same thing here from my Subs,,,both Plumbers,,,and Air cond,,,the Air cond,, sub's can, and do get involved in, plumbing and electrical,,,,,and they both have pushing the tankless WHs,,,,even if you break even it's worth the push to get things going in the right direction,,,,and what will offset the price of it to me,,,,is that in the future ,,,,,gas and eclectric corps will be increasing their prices,,,,,and there is were the savings will come in no?

another thought also for all that want to save a little,,,you can lower the temp at the WH,,and also when turning on your water valve,,,one other thing that I do ---is when I turn on the water to shower,or shave ,,etc,,,,I put the water pressure on low,,,this gets the hot water up faster than if you immediately put it on high,,,,it takes longer cos of the amount of water that you requested from it

Im kinda split on the twittering thing,,,,,real time synopsis, of information,,just might need a very short time span to make a biz decision that could hurt me,,,some one in the long run,,,,,since I tend to take my time and gather all info that I can before making a decision,,,I will stay away from it as long as I can,,,,,but it will be forced upon me,,,if I want to keep up with all,,,,but watch out,,,,the mistakes that you repeat are yours,,not anyone else s no?

May not be typed in by McCain, I know he does have injuries. That's why he has staff. He rarely twitters.

Rove and Rush mostly just do Direct Messages. They're private person to person messages if you're both following each other. It's like letting out your email address to everyone but you can block anyone you want.

Several celebrities hire professional twitter writers as it's a way to build relationships with fans.

Claire McCaskill twitters from home Sunday morning as she reads the Sunday papers, so I'd guess she does her own.

I can't believe Hannity is #2. I haven't listened to Rush in years, but he occasionally actually had a fact.

Patsi - she's a putz, and married to a doctor who thinks he knows more about everything than anyone else in the room. I'm not on their Christmas card list.

don't - of course you've heard that even a blind pig occasionally finds a trufffle. But yes, Hannity's No. 2 behind El Gordo. Good decision not to listen to Rush - he's scum.

oh no, pogo used the G word.. http://tinyurl.com/bqp5k5

Solar.....

don't worry, honey..... I'm staying right here with you.... I barely have time to keep up with this site.... let alone facebook and twitter....

BTW.... our house is a passive solar house we built in 1979.... it faces directly south with lots of big windows in the front (which we recently had replaced).....
on a sunny day here in January and February..... no matter the outdoor temperature.... you can sit in my living room and sweat to death...... such a simple concept..... I don't understand why all houses are built facing south at this point.....

I DO like Obama's demeanor when giving his economic, reality talk today.

tt

Anyone moving to California?
http://ncane.com/ufs

"There are no privacy issues here at all."

Don1one--
If you are using it just to get info from other people, and you are very careful about your postings maybe not. But alot of what I have read about is people using twitter to just twitter people about what they are doing. Like the congressman when he was in Iraq. It just feels like a slippery slope to me. Something I am uncomfortable with. Besides, I don't have time to consistently keep up with this blog considering the amount of time I work in so many different locations, I could only imagine having to keep up with twittering!

Craig - but not OUR G-word.

i am sensing a lot of twitter angst around here. i am just playing with the darn thing to see what it's about and think it's kinda fun. much prefer the tight community we have here, especially how it's been the last week or so.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203024

ha, pogo, but any reference might bring IT back, and have been enjoying the respite from conspiratorial ramblings. so you be careful LoL

I can't think of anything more inane than twittering.

And, why in the world would I want to wait, with bated breath, for musings from people believing themselves so important that they must engage in the practice?

In the old days I knew this fella, actually I served with him, named Dom. Dom used to brag how he would fart in bed then hold his wife's head under the covers. I bet Domenic would be a twitterer.

Craig....
no angst here..... if you have the time and enjoy it..... I say..... GO FOR IT!

TB

It is not unique to twitter, anywhere you make comments can have problems if you don't take basic precautions. One is to do like you and I and use an assumed name. I was amazed how many peoplen who use fake names here, when they joined Craigs face book group used their real names. Just because face book says you have to doesn't mean anything. It is not like they check ID's.

It is becoming like a fantasy book where you only share your true name with your most trusted friends.

Jack

Jack

Kentucky gets what Kentucky deserves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/22/gop-senator-jim-bunning-j_n_168995.html

What a dumbass. He must know Frist.

If I were scum, I would feel insulted. rush is the gas that scum emits when it has bad digestion. hannity is the noise of that emission.

Just got back from CA, and still hope to see Sarasota before Spring. RE values are incalculable in some parts of CA. All the value markers are moving South.

The pong spins that we would be out of this mess already, if Obama was charismatic. No one this side of heaven could fix in 33 days what the rebushlicans wrecked over 2,920 days - not counting the 6 years of obstruction, deregulation, and decriminalization of securities fraud that followed the gingrich devolution. The rebushlican noise machine, like pong, is a big part of our national illness.

True,
I twitter because it's fun and part of what I do is consult on internet marketing so I need to know. (And when I posted my profile I knew what it should have been, I'm just a lousy proofreader. That's what I have QA for.)

I'm not trying to convert anyone, just clear up a few things.

On the other hand, I don't have an intelligent phone like Craig. :^)

I've never used my cell to read email or access the internet, since it has a broken hinge I rarely use it for talking and if you call me I'll probably ignore it unless you owe me money.

When I was a trouble shooter at Cisco it felt more like a leash than a luxury, especially since I covered time zones in Europe, the US, Japan and Australia. With built in GPS and all ISPs storing email it's really an invasion of privacy just to carry a cell phone.

Just curious, for the people upset with the idea of cars having a gps do you carry a cell phone?

YMMV

I promise to be on better behavior, Craig. Woouldn't want THAT one to think I was referring to him.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203027

i get your drift, Flatus. so far i am finding twitter a useful place to follow breaking news and commentary. cuts down on my surfing time. there are a lot of choices for how to use it. and you don't have to follow those who post inane stuff. but hey, i'm not trying to advocate the thing, i'm just playing with it.

Craig

I've got nothing against it, go for it, if you have the time. I barely have the time to participate around here.
Not having done and just observed from the outside it seems to be somewhat akin to chatting, also something I have tried and found to be unsatisfactory.

But it is the internet tubes, the possibilities are endless.

RR

"don't worry, honey..... I'm staying right here with you.... I barely have time to keep up with this site.... let alone facebook and twitter"...

Shhh,,,,don't say that (unless you mean it,,,blushes) Rosie told me too watch my self,,,and I think that she lurks often,,,,,Hey Rosie,,,out of sight out of mind?? no not you,,but where the hell have you been?? or have you met some cold fish that you like better than a warm solar day?..haha

"BTW.... our house is a passive solar house we built in 1979.... it faces directly south with lots of big windows in the front (which we recently had replaced)".....

Renee-----If we take the time to think about what has been out there for a very long time (like passive solar souses etc) it is incredible to me,,,how selfish we have all been,,,,just think Pres Carter had solar panels on the White House roof,,,,,,,both party's let us down on this (more so the R's--but) if they had just taken that one concept of solar conservation seriously,,,how far along would we be,,,in our quest for energy independence?,,,a lot of if's,,,,,include cars that have been getting super gas mileage that have been invented for a long time,,,but not allowed to be manufactured,,,take a look at the mini ---mini in the UK 80 mpg,,,,but not allowed for sale here,,,,and,,,,and,,its our fault in the long run,,,,for the two party system that we fight to preserve so much,,,

I enjoy the story's about you and Rick Rick,,,going on skiing trips,,,,muck better than the ones that I have gone on (2 total),,,just one little note on one of them,,,,I belong to a Social Athletic Club,,,,and when we were ( my compadres) all young,,,we went on a few skiing trips to MN,,and WI,,,well on my very first try I broke an ankle and was confined to the lodged for the rest of the weekend,,,,I was pissed at first,,,but my date for the weekend ( a girl named Sue) was nice enough to stay with me,,,we even danced the two step,,,,well she did the two step,,,,I did the 1 and 1/2 haha,,,,I have never broken an ankle while playing golf,,,,a broken golf club maybe,(pissed at that club for not working right---not my friiikin fault,,,oops sorry),,,but u know I have never met a girl named Sue on the golf course,,,,hmmmm I wonder when the next ski outing will be? HA

Craig, you have a business reason for doing it. And you didn't deserve my rant. I apologize.

don1one....

I have a cell phone.... but it's never turned on.... it's only for my use.....
I've owned one for 3 yrs because hubby insisted, but had never used it until recently.....

I live in NH and in mid Dec. we had an ice storm that knocked out our power for 12 days.... every wire was ripped off our house..... so a cell phone was our only life line..... I learned to appreciate it really quickly.....

basically..... outside of this Mac..... I'm a Luddite.... :0)
but I do know how to use a chain saw and a generator.....

XR

Did I ever tell you that U R the 2nd Funniest person here!?

"i'm not trying to advocate the thing, i'm just playing with it."

Craig, You certainly don't have to apologize for twittering. Did you see the names on that list? Among them Al Gore and Barack Obama. I think it may turn out to be a very useful and important site for someone in your business.

Oh, I'm not against twittering, if that is what people want to do that's great. And in certain businesses i can definitely see the benefit. I'm just cautious. I explained why. And yes I carry a cell phone, but not because I like to. My businesses fair much better when I do. It does make my life easier. But I still hate the fact that I can be "found"! Needless to say, I take lots of voice messages!

Solar.....
oh no.... someone should have told you that you can get hurt with those long things strapped to your feet.....

I skied for 15 yrs..... I fell and hurt my knee a few yrs ago..... didn't need surgery..... but couldn't climb the stairs to get into my studio for 5 weeks...... when something interferes with my weaving..... that's it..... haven't skied since that day.... although Rick tries to talk me into it all the time..... I tell him to ski for both of us...... besides it's gotten very expensive in the last few yrs.....

it'll be hot tubbing and shopping for me next week.....

gosh no, Flatus, don't apologize. your observations are quite true about a lot of the twittering i've seen

Chloe,,,,hello

It is important (very ) important to some,,,,I forgot where,,but they showed an surgical operation,,and it was twittered in real time to other surgical doctors around the world,,,that is why I said eventually we will all be forced to do it,,,,,,just to keep up with what is going on at the time,,,,,,or it will be old new by the time that u put that old newspaper down....exec pt e mails I believe that we will still be able to take our time and write with a little more time and a little more personal.

Craig--
Do you have your book tour put together yet. Just wondering if you'll be coming near MO.

Ah, yes, skiing. Love it, but it's like every other damn thing I love (Mrs. P notwithstanding) - it has its risks. I've done a mild knee tweak - back when I thought I was better than I was and had my bindings adjusted a little too tightly. And I did dislocate my shoulder when I was first learning - about my 3rd day on the slopes, but it was the umpteenth time for that shoulder, so I can't blame the skiing. Unf ortuneately, LP has taken up snowboarding - which has its dangers, too - he fell and busted his ass last weekend and had to ice it on and off to relieve the discomfort Sat. night and Sunday. And let me tell you if you didn't know - 12 year olds can whine with the best of them.

",that is why I said eventually we will all be forced to do it,"

Yes Solar. I think it will become more and more useful, if you judge by the amount of people using it. If it weren't for Craig, I wouldn't even know about it. He's keeping me ups with the times. The example you used about the surgery is a good example.

Craig-
Just realized that may be an odd question considering the conversation! You don't have to answer that if you don't want to!!

I can still see that guy-----the skier------on the commercial,,,,that showed his going over and over,,,,the agony of defeat,,,,,,,or something like that,,,,,,,,I will stick to naked sky diving,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,U ask what it is,,,,,,,well u put up some mirrors on your bedroom ceiling and what u see is naked sky divers,,,,,,,,if you heard this one before never mind.

Craig....
talking about angst..... I used to have angst over reading the posts here on the weekends..... particularly Sunday nights.....

it was a pleasure to read this weekend's posts...... thanks for finally grabbing the bull by the horns and making this a pleasurable blog once again.....

Pogo.... yes.... I am going to LaHouts next week.....

and while we're wrangling over new media, what about the old? is this the recession that killed newspapers? now, philly is goin bankrupt.. http://tinyurl.com/bzyf96

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203046

true, thanks for asking about a book tour. way too early to know, book not out until October. but these things are never as organized or well-planned as you might think. anyone with an idea for a book store, book fair, etc. that would welcome us can let our agent know. she is Diane Nine at ninespeakers@usa.net

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203051

glad you appreciate the improved environment around here, renee. we will all lapse at times, but the new plan is to run off persistent and relentless antagonizers

I like the Fiscal Health of Nation conferance that Pres. Obama is haveing,,,,,transparancy,,,,and an added plus it ,,,this will help congress get better ratings,we can see them in a diff kind of setting,,,,trying to get the hard work done,,and with a little humor, that puts them at a little better atmosphere,,other than the bickering,,,good move by R. Emanuel ...it is a win win,,,cos the R's are they also,,,,seem bipartisan.

I enjoy reading the Twitter feeds from others, but rarely have anything to tweet about since I can only do it from my PC not while roaming around. Must do something about that situation.

Thanks, SolarCrete !

I didn't know that there was even a ranking system. If
I had, I'd probably have gotten tongue-tied, and still be The Lurker at the Threshhold.

Btw, are there any fans of those great American theologians, H. P. Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith hereabouts ? I mean, besides the most obvious ones, p & g.

By 'p', I certainly did not mean Pogo, Ms Pogo, or Li'l Pogo. I'm sorry if there was any confusion.

I probably mainly found this interesting, because I love it here so much.

The End of Texas Oil?
How a handful of families dominated and lost control of the country's energy supply.
"Boone is the last of the great political oilmen. People were listening to his ideas about wind power for about five minutes last year when oil soared. I kind of make the argument, without too hard an edge on it, that the era of the Big Rich is over. The end of the Bush administration really marks the end of Texas political power."

"The economic culture is kind of Texas-flavored high tech. People don't realize that there are more Fortune 500 companies headquartered in Texas than anyplace else. The level of education is so much higher than it was 50 years ago. I go home and it's almost a little bit sad. It's like a Texas-flavored Ohio. We've still got cowboys and ranches. But if you spend your time in Houston and Dallas and Austin, you can almost forget there for a few minutes that you're actually in Texas."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/186185

the 24 th at 10 a m and 11am ---will tivo to watch later on.
The Science chanel
Understanding
Magnetism

Magnetism exerts its force on virtually every area of modern life, pulling our world together. It powers computers, runs motor vehicles, orients compasses, and helps doctors save lives.

11:00 am
(60 minutes)


Understanding
Money

Money is the most powerful tool that Man has ever invented. It can build and destroy empires, and make people to go to war. Some people even believe that money is the key to happiness. What makes an object money? Where does it come from and who decides?

Notice given to 12,000 more California workers

http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/1463790.html

Solar, Thanks for mentioning that Science Channel programming for tomorrow. I'm going to watch it and then hope to see what you say about it afterwards on TM. I checked, and here it will be at 9am and 10am.

Did you see that site (magazine) that Jack mentioned the other day. http://www.sciam.com/ Knowing you though, you probably already read it. :)

PHOTOS: 7 Major "Missing Links" Since Darwin

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/photogalleries/darwin-birthday-evolution/photo3.html

Governor sanford offers prayers for the unemployed people of South Carolina. Maybe this is just the incentive South Carolinians need to switch parties.

It's time for sanford to lose his job.

Craig,

Pass this along to Diane. It seems the Library of Congress keeps track of Book Fairs across the nation

http://www.loc.gov/loc/cfbook/bookfair.html

Almost all of them have private groups that like to have presentations from Authors. Helen and you are big enough names that you should be able to get someone to pick up as least some of the bills.

Maybe some of the Trailmixers near these sites could do some investigation for you.

Chloe

That site that Jack gave is a great one,,,C bob gives some good one too,,,,when you put them all together,,Astrology,,,evolution, and my if I had to do it all over again,anthropology,,,and all the other sciences,,,,listen to book tv,,Nova on pbs,,,,and more,,,there is no doubt about where we came from,,,,if there is a God it was the Atom,,,,prior to the big bang,,,,and our Mother the Universe,,,take a peek at Espinoza's god,,,and you will like him also , IMO

Solar, I went to a link from National Geographic site: 15 Most Popular News Stories.

The first two stories:

"Extinct" Bird Seen, Eaten
A rare quail from the Philippines was photographed for the first time before being sold at a poultry market, experts say.

... and this one didn't surprise me:
Bikinis Make Men See Women as Objects, Scans Confirm
Pictures of scantily dressed women cause a region of the male brain associated with tool use to light up, a new brain-scan study

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203065

Jamie, I notice there's one in Austin, but I don't see one in Houston.

Craig I hope you come to one of those cities. Austin is only a couple hours from us.

Chloe,,,,,sorry,,,,,that is Benedict Espinosa,,,,with an s,,not an Z

Heath Ledger wins the Best Supporting Actor Award last night. My Mom says to me, "They couldn't give the award to someone who's alive?" Words failed me after she said that.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203068

Chloe,

Call your local major book store and check if there is a Book Fair or Political speakers event planned

Just because it isn't on the list doesn't mean there isn't one, only that LOC doesn't have it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203060

Solar, regarding that programming tomorrow, I forgot to mention that 'money' is one of my favorite subjects. It provides my favorite things: freedom, security, comfort, variety and entertainment. I'm sure I missed some things.

Thanks Jamie. I'll do that.
Barnes and Noble is our biggest one. I don't even think we have Dalton anymore, but they were all in the malls. I haven't been to the mall in quite a while for some reason.

Chloe and anyone else who wants to help

Other good sources include Rotary Clubs who invite speakers for their meetings. They often have annual events or Conventions where several authors and speakers are invited to appear.

The goal is to get them to part with money for Craig and Helen. :-)

Espinosa's God is our Earth,,,,and all that comes from it,and that we should be in harmony with it,,,,,,,the natural things of nature,,,,,,,that is what DProf Haglen of the Natural Law Party believes in,,,,,,but a third political party proved too much for him to get off the ground,,,,did not have enough $ to sustain the gains he made,,,and future ones that he needed

Chlo----a good book,,,is looking for Espinosa,,,It is a book on neurology,,,also a two fer,,,and a very good read,,,about the brains evolution,,,,for example , it shows that in the brains evolution,,,feelings came before emotions,,,or was that the other way around,?

"feelings came before emotions,,,or was that the other way around,?"

Thanks for mentioning that book Solar. Seems like feelings would come first. Since those new borns 'feel' hungry before they get 'angry' and 'upset'. You have to feel something before you get emotional about it, I'd think. Although sometimes I do feel like my emotions control me, whether than me controlling my emotions. Just an observation.

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Yeah ya think----like baby food,and how about feeding my hoss with a little of it huh

To give you an idea, almost all major Rotary groups have a web page that lists events. The President is usually the best initial contact person.

http://www.seattlerotary.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=29

It is amusing to see so many trying to re-write history regarding the New Deal..

FDR understood that his programs wouild address short term relief and long term reform.

He understood there were no easy fixes.

The New Deal is one of the greatest swuccesses in American History.

Without the longterm reforms initiated by FDR, our economic problems today would be a total disaster.

Thank you Pfresident Roosevelt!

Ha! It takes more than a 'little' to feed those monster horses Solar. They each weigh over a 1000 pounds. Thank goodness they're vegetarians.

Little Emma's formula isn't cheap either.

Chloe---it on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Looking-Spinoza-Sorrow-Feeling-Brain/dp/0156028719/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235431209&sr=1-1

Thanks Solar. I couldn't find it.
And I can get a used copy for $3.40 on that amazon site you linked. Amazon is my favorite place to shop, whether for books or just about anything else.

Speaking of feeding animals, that's what I need to do right now.... later.

I think that you could read it on line also?

Hey Solar, Before I shut down that site you linked, I went to this link off of it, and it looks very interesting too.

Synaptic Self: How Our Brains Become Who We Are
http://www.amazon.com/Synaptic-Self-How-Brains-Become/dp/0142001783/ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203070

Corey...I would share your umbrage about what your mom said if Heath Ledger was a soldier who had died in combat and she was questioning why he was getting a posthumous medal.

But I think you should probably cut her some slack. From what I've read, he basically killed himself through prescription drug mismanagement. Don't think that makes him a hero, or anything close to it. He's basically just a movie star who died in a way that tens of thousands of other people die each year.

What offended me was not that he COULD get an Oscar, but that conventional wisdom deemed him a slam dunk just because he happened to die. I think that was unfair to the other nominees. The category clearly seemed to be judged more on emotion than actual merit.

like when john wayne won an oscar..........

OD - I agree with you completely - and there's a further point to consider. Not only did the New Deal help a lot of people, it also kep the Depression fromgetting even worse. Un-ravelling needs to be stopped first before it can be fixed, and you have to be in a position to do the fixing before you can actually fix.

I wholeheartedly agrre with all the sentiments expressed lately on the pleasantness of the the blogs - no more angst, no more chilling words and feelings.

It's too bad it had to be dealt with that wasy, but, Craig, it seems obvious that there was no alternative.

We've had over 8" of rain in February, but it's not enough.

STurgeone,

I don't think John Wayne is comparable. There is a tradition in Hollywood of giving an actor who has been in the business 30 to 50 years an Oscar for their body of work that includes great or very popular films that weren't recognized at the time they were in the theater.

They don't always pick the most deserving film role to do this. This means that Wayne got it for True Grit not The Searchers or The Shootist. Come to think of it, The Shootist probably would have been posthumous.

If they don't have a current movie, the Academy will figure a way to give them the Gene Herscholt like Jerry Lewis got last night.

I did think that Heath's sister was quite cute and with an Australian accent to boot! I kind of assumed he would win. Why else would they travel all the way from Australia for the ceremony? I could be wrong on that, but I was thinking about that last night. The academy gave Stan Laurel a Lifertime Achievement Award in 1960, but he wasn't feeling well enough to attend the ceremony.

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Sturge...my quick and dirty search reveals that John Wayne was only nominated for Best Actor twice (Sands of Iwo Jima and True Grit) and only won once (True Grit).

He should have at least been nominated for his portrayal of Ethan Edwards in "The Searchers." I still think that was his greatest role.

My Dad was a huge John Wayne fan. Probably saw all of his movies multiple times. Could remember most of the lines from his films.

Corey,

You can often be sure that a Lifetime Achievement or Gene Herscholt award often means that the person receiving that isn't likely to be with us much longer. Remember when Charlie Chaplin came back to the US after decades to get his.

Lardo,

Now we know why we tied last night. Similar movie tastes. Wayne was magnificent in The Searchers though I have a long list of his films that I love. He is literally the only one who could have been in the opening to The Shootist where they used clip after clip of him drawing and shooting from a very young man to an old one.

The thing About Stan Laurel's award was that he received it 3 years after Ollie had died. Didn't have him to share it with. Although I have seen video of Stan polishing his award and smiling widely. He even called it "Mr. Clean".

"if we don't learn from this mess it is still our faults,,,,and all of the loyalists from both partys are the most at fault,,,they just blame each other and keep it all going ,,,,,and down deep,,,they know it,,,,,but belonging to an in group,,and identifying with one or the other is more important iI guess?"

Hi Solar
Good points here! I just remember up until the primaries having this idealized feeling of what it meant to be a Democrat and make no mistake I was a proud Democrat.I'm a registered Ind. now and I''m fine with it. Deep down though I'm still a Democrat because I believe in what I think the party used to stand for and to some degree still does.I do feel the Republicans are responsible for most of are current problems but I realize just placing blame upon them won't solve anything,of course Democrats aren't blameless.Unfortunately IMO bi-partisanship is an illusion.I agree having a true third party would help but I'm not holding my breath....How's the exercising going now that you've been so busy with work?

New News:

"The 6th State representative agreed to be one of my plaintiffs, petitioning the court to unseal Oabama's vital records."

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/18/more-info-on-bbc-russian-edition-2.aspx
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"7th State representative, a decorated Attorney from the state of Missouri Tim Jones has joined as an additional plaintiff a legal action by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq to seek a Writ of Mandamus to unseal vital records of Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Soetoro, to determine his eligibility for presidency."

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/22/7th-state-representative-tim-jones-has-joined-as-a-plaintiff.aspx

http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na

"Poll Shows Broad Support for Obama"

"President Obama is benefiting from high levels of confidence among Americans about his leadership, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll."

tony,
I don't think the Republicans are the party they used to be either.

At the local level parties are probably more tied to tradition. I've met great Republican and Democratic politicians in Sacramento.

At the national level I think both parties have become so dependent on deep pocket money from business that the constituents they really keep happy are corporations. If they have that money then the elections tend to be locked regardless of how they represent votersw, this last election perhaps having some exceptions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/us/politics/23repubs.html

"Explaining a ‘No’ Vote on Stimulus in Michigan"

"In Michigan, Democratic officials say the Republican opposition is difficult to fathom given the deteriorating economic conditions in the state and the $18 billion Michigan stands to receive. The legislation also frees General Motors from billions of dollars in potential tax obligations on a federal loan and provides tax incentives for car buyers, though they are not as extensive as those initially approved by the Senate."

Tony---Hi-ya

No exercising at all right now,,,but I did heal up just in time,,,,man o man I thought that I was in pretty decent shape,,,,but doing steel work in a confined amount of room is rally tough and brutal work,,,,but after each stair landing that we do,,,it gets easier,,,,we had to unweld a landing and some stairs,,,cos the Architect ( on blue prints) made a measuring mistake,,,,the 3rd one,,,by two inches,,he was off,,,,,if they are followed the last landing and stairs will be off by 2 inches,,and will not match the floor level of the room at that height ,,the work is the good thing,,,,,,but now I am worried about finishing the project,,a slow down of $ for mtls,,,,and will stop, for now.tomorrow or the next day I will hit the bow flex pretty hard, but the cardio is more important,,,climbing stairs all day long with weight is breath taking at times,,,,,, thanks for asking pal ,,,,how about you,,,have U learned how to install those pool water heaters yet?

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Don 1
What an important distinction to make regarding the parties locally and nationally.I agree about the politicians nationally keeping the corps.happy..How do we ever change it?

"how about you,,,have U learned how to install those pool water heaters yet?"

Hi Solar
I'm doing well and work is staying busy,thankfully.I just got back in from doing an hour on the stair stepper.Feel good.I have 11 Solar panels on the roof for the pool now and they work exceptionally.I'm interested in a solar hot water system.I called Solar Fit(the company that did my pool panels)and they say a system runs about $3500,that's a little steep! I have a tank in the garage but i keep it off a lot of the time because its generally hot out there many months of the year and the water stays warm much of the time.I don't think at that price its cost effective for me.. I haven't learned how install my own system yet maybe when the panels are available at Home Depot?

Oh and Solar
Sounds like your getting enough working out on the job.I hope things don't slow down or stop for you because completing a job is very satisfying..The money too...

I have to weigh in on Heath for those of you who may not know the whole Batman series, he was more than masterful in his role. I think the waves against him for winning for his role the Joker, is really more of not liking the "comic " genre of motion pictures.

He was awesome in Batman and he was a brilliant actor. His untimely death did not win the Oscar for him, he won it with his work.

- just my take on it.

I think everyone would like to know that tony California brought in term limits, which have certainly torn down some empires but the politicians still seem to be able to act crazy.

I remember looking into solar water heaters years ago via popular science. pumps, tanks, copper tubing, a regulator, and an antifreeze like solution. I'll let you know if I run into anything good.

What the heck is wrong with Karl Rove.....how dare he spit in the face of a subpoena?

I think the Academy Awards were much better this year. I actually watched most of it.

Good host..
I really liked the five past winners making tribute to nominees. It made sure they all were recognized as winners..

Bill Maher was his usual snarky self, kind of a relic of past ceremonies..

Heath Ledger's family was so natural..

Loved Sean Penn's speech. I noticed Joe Scarborough wasgoing nuts with his disapproval this morning. Morning Joe would be much better if it were just Morning......

If anyone missed Jackman's opening, virtually all of the numbers etc. are already on You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPgAQ_SW_Wk

anne Hathaway really held her own with Hugh. Who knew she had that voice.

UB,
It's worked so far. Why not?

New News:
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IRS has been served

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/18/irs-has-been-served.aspx
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Department of State has been served

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/23/department-of-state-has-been-served.aspx

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What a horribly stupid, mean spirited, and downright gloating attitude this dumbass Senator spewed... Doesn't he know that when people are facing difficult health issues, they are focussed on getting well? Cancer patients, among other illnesses, need support, encouragement, and LOVE. Shame on Senator Bunning! I certainly would not want a political opponent to determine how long with would be before I would die and then celebrate the opportunity to push a new conservative judge. I wonder if Bunning was/is part of that anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, among others, that were always praying to "God" that certain pro-life Justices would die.

MORALLY BANKRUPT... !!!

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Craig, when I was a kid LOST IN SPACE was my favorite show. I could watch it each Wednesday night at 6:30 only if I had my bath and was in my pajamas before the show was on. I never missed the deadline :-) I recently bought all three seasons of the show on DVD.. It's a lot more silly than I remembered it. Of course back the I was a little kid and I really thought there was a Jupiter 2

GORDO, i am sorry, but you are getting tiresome. Engage with the community here in genuine and respectful dialogue or be deemed a spammer. Simply dropping cyber leaflets when the mood strikes is not what this place is about -- at least not anymore. New rules.

Although, GORDO, in your defense, you don't personally attack others. It's just that i think you are using this space as a billboard or something, instead of respecting it as a community of discussion.

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POGO? Craig? You were saying??? ;-)

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ha, euro, yep i told pogo he opened the box of doom

Madonna had her "Blond Ambition" tour in 1990. I think of Burris' determined insistence of being named U.S. Senator could be called the "Blind Ambition" tour of 2008 & 2009.

I can just hear Burris' re-working Commander Decker's comment to Jim Kirk in The Star Trek the Motion Picture film, where Decker is about to do a cosmic union with Vger...

Commander Decker: "Jim, I want this! As much as you wanted the Enterprise…I want this!"

Power Junkie Burris in response to President-elect Obama's insistence that he not pursue a tainted Senatorial appointment by Blago.

"Barack, I want this! As much as you wanted the White House... I WANT THIS"

Sadly, the next line from the StarTrek film doesn't follow:

Mr. Spock: "We witnessed a birth…possibly the next step in our evolution."

Oh well... can't win them all...

Craig --------------------

The reason I do this is to provide something to back-up what I say. I'll be more than happy to discuss THE ISSUE with you or anyone else.

Are you aware that there is an effort to suppress ALL non - positive info about Obama?

People talk about Conspiracy Theories. Here is something that is not a theory -- the conspiracy of Silence, Misinformation and Disinformation by the News Media in this country.

Fact: Obama refuses to make public certified documents related to his eligibility to be POTUS.

Fact: He has teams of lawyers fighting the lawsuits seeking to obtain these records.

Fact: The "news" will not cover this story accurately - they use ridicule and humiliation as a way to beat people into submission.

I have a lot more to say, but I also like back up what I say.

I'm "ready-to-rumble" anytime.

(Orders from Headquarters?)

This may be taking a love of Face Book too far.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090224/ODD.Laptop.Snatched/

Gordo,

The problem is that you never say anything different about any other subject or issue. If it were an occasional update on the status of a court case mixed with other positions it might be worth seeing. As it is, the constant drip drip drip of constantly repeating exactly the same charges backed up by nothing other than blogs constantly repeating exactly the same charges is a deadly dull bore crossed with the Chinese water torture.

You're just building a community of sycophants, CC. I realize you have bills to pay, but let's keep it real. Is it necessary for someone to want to "belong" to express their opinion? What if someone just wants to comment or criticize your work? Isn't the comments section of your blog the ideal place to do that? Why even have anonymous commenting if there is also a community standard?

oh c'mon champ. you know anybody is free to do everything here that you just described. i am promoting honest and respectful debate here, not supressing it.

UB - glad to have your opinion re Heath Ledger's acting in this movie. I emailed a movie nut/ fan for his opinion but he hasn't responded. He is so known in our office for his encyclopedic knowledge of movies, and his at-times caustic opinions, that EVERYONE approaches him at this time of year. I'll bet he didn't go to work Friday or today!

Anyway, if Ledger was that good, I'm delighted he got it. There just seemed to be so much emotional talk about a relative new comer that I was aafraid it was emotional. Glad it wasn't!

Hugh Jackman ws great, and Anne Hathaway was a big surprise. Does anyone know if the show over-ran its time?

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ditto what jamie said, GORDO. quit just wearing the sandwich board and talk to us

Champ regurgitating tired old links is not "commenting"... I disagree with almost everything PING says, but at least he says it. He isn't an robotron that only posts links to the exclusion of anything else.

damn gotta go to work... today is heavy magazine and newspaper day. the weeklies come out today.. Anyway,I like this place.. USUALLY... and regarding the discussion on what is "discussion", I back Craig (and Jamie) and the cast of thousands, a 100 per cent... ;-)

what i'm not putting up with anymore are users who come here to spam or consistently antagonize with personal insults to other participants or the group as a whole. attacks against me are always fair game, comes with the turf.

Molehill into mountain, maybe. I don't pretend this particular nook of the 'internet' to be on the front of the free-speech battleground, just something interesting from a sociological perspective. You can't tell me that anyone can say as they choose and then also express an official policy of ostracization, and expect me to buy it, though.

No big deal.

My six links tonight were "New News".

I will be shocked and amazed if any of these cases get past any of the judges. Not because the lawsuits have no merit, but because no judge want to unleash the Obot thugs on the country. (That's one reason, there are others.) How many of you know that there were threats to "torch the cities" made during the primaries & general if he did not win and now if he is removed from the WH ?

So let's all just throw away The Constitution because some thugs make threats? Obama (and others) knew LONG before he began his run for POTUS that he was ineligible - but the plan worked.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203149

There ya go, GORDO, that's you talking. That's what i'm talking about. Tell us what you think and why, with your supporting links but please don't post comments that ONLY include copy-and-pastes from your links. Explain why that link matters to you. For everyone, it is far better to make your thoughts the primary substance of a comment, and make the supporting material the underlying substance. Now in your case, GORDO, you know that you're going to get a lot of argument and it'll probably get heated, But like i say, i appreciate that you don't hurl personal insults, even though some hurl them at you (which i'd rather not happen). i'm just asking that you not drop link bombs, spam style -- but also make your case in your own words and be prepared to defend it in your own words.

And, as Jamie suggests, how about letting us in on your thoughts about other topics. Who knows, it might lend credence to your most passionate beliefs -- which, you've got to admit, are proving to be a tough sell.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203151

Well, that's a fair standard. Go with that. Ok, goodnight.

thanks champ -- you're in a league of your own pal, and most welcome

Back to fish heads ?

Slaving over a hot web page -

http://the-downtown-art-market.blogspot.com/

How's the spelling ?

I'm waiting for someone to defend his refusal to release any certified documents related to his POTUS eligibility?

He has to stonewall all of them, even though some may not contain damaging info. Understand?

I'll make a guess -- because he can. Right?

Waiting.

HA! Found one.

"We will chareg $25 for 150sq. ft. *every month *after we open on the second"
^^^^^

Looks good, though. Must one be from Lubbock to hock their wares there?

I don't mince words, bethy, and that's not necessarily a virtue. I understand it can be unpalatable. Without specifically addressing my motivation for deciding to participate here, allow me to say that I respect everyone here, without exception, despite any temporal disagreements I may have with anyone individually.

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bethyboo, couldn't have said it better myself. thank you very much.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/nationalizng-banks-needs-word.html#comment-203162

and champ, thanks to you as well. you're a blunt and tough customer, but honorable

look folks, this is a difficult (and maybe foolish) enterprise to think that an open thread blog can be an environment for honest and respectful debate. i understand that. but dammit, that is what i am going to do, no matter what it takes. and if those who abuse these principles call it censorship when they're banned, so be it. go yell fire in a crowded theater if that's what makes you happy.

A word of warning to those who would undermine this effort: THIS IS MY JOB -- and, while you might enjoy your puny victories by playing games with alternating IP addresses, etc. (and then lying about it when caught), i will never give in to letting this place become yet another forum for malicious crap. Take it somewhere else and do not come back here ever again.

Thanks for the kind words, Craig. Here's one for the jukebox.

Willie Nelson - Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJTsTwD587I&feature=related

ah, they're caged animals, patsi. what else can they do

Well, Craig --we're counting on you to be one of the sensible minds out there talking!

And when I say sensible, I don't mean marching lockstep behind anything this particular administration does. Just countering the BS. Did anybody see the piece in Friday's WaPo where they are now denying that neo-conservativism is even real? Or ever was? I'll find the link...

Gee, i see what I've missed. Good old flamebaiting.
Reminds me of teaching high school.

Anyone follow the fiscal summit? Think anything was actually accomplished besides canceling a bunch of unneeded helicopters?

On crooksandliars......any comment relating to 9-11 conspiracy theories is (or used to be) immediately deleted. It is or was their policy on their blog........I trust that blog owners are free to set policy of their space in these tubes............so that when i go to crooksandliars i know that i will not be reading about 9-11 conspiracy theories and any post i might make about one would not make the cut. I hope I can continue to come here not having to wade thru the sucking muck created by any disgruntled practitioner of the "you're a stupid schmuck" school of conversation.........

Has anyone seen my bag of fish heads?