Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Well now, Craig, that certainly was up close & personal.

More!

tt

The Repubs are bullies lead by that thug, John Boehner. The Repubs are RELENTLESS in pushing, pushing their agenda.

They had the whole pie and look at how they screwed up the world.

Horrible! Horrible!

And the peanut processor who knew there was salmonella in the nuts and shipped them anyway needs to loose all his nuts. Jerk!

tt

I think the repubs are gonna have to find new ground - they're talking as if they won the election.

That is supposed to read, "See, there are some things that attorneys won't do."

That is supposed to read, "See, there are some things that attorneys won't do."

That is supposed to read, "See, there are some things that attorneys won't do."

Good clip young Crawford.

Storm May Leave Thousands in Darkness for Days
Thousands could be stuck in the dark for days as deadly winter blast barrels toward Northeast
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=6746379

How the GOP Can Defeat Obama’s Economic Plan

By Noel Sheppard
Associate Editor, Newsbusters.org

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/01/28/sheppard_obama_economy/
----------------------------

The party of "Ideas".

Obama Needs a Few Good Enemies to Help Him Shape His Presidency

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Every superhero needs an archenemy. President Barack Obama has yet to find one.

“It’s always helpful to have a villain,” said Joe Gaylord, a Republican strategist who helped fashion the rise of Newt Gingrich in the 1990s. “If you don’t have one, you should create one.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=a4BqmFZUAtsk&refer=germany

C-Bob -- listening to these Repub clowns over the past few days has rendered me speechless. (almost) This is the same crowd who believes pouring money down the Iraq rathole is righteous. The same bunch who scorns ANY investment in alternative energy because there just might be a quart of unpumped oil somewhere in West Texas or Alaska. And the same a-holes who want to hand even more money to the top one percent because they'll keep the lower classes in minimum wage jobs. (Sure they will...)

By the way Bob -- becaue of you, little Miss Girl the outdoor cat remains snug, warm and not running around in the rain.

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Gloom is deepening among business leaders and economists, casting a pall over this year’s World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ajjkWgG5Hp4U&refer=home

Patsi-

Thanks, looks like there's a lot of cold kittys east of me.

STOP THE PRESS....
The Naive Neophyte is excellent in marketing but I understand the FCC and FDA are both looking at the term being used.
Economic Stimulus Plan - is indeed FALSE Advertising. The contents do not qualify and the agency will require a Warning label of High Pork Fat content.
Naive Neophyte President Obama's response --
Yup I am cool with that....

nice ending Craigster

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Melbourne, host city for the Australian Open tennis competition, is preparing for its longest heat wave in a century, which may push energy demand to records.

The Victorian state capital, Australia’s second-most populous city, may have four days of temperatures above 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit) from today, said Blair Trewin, climatologist with the National Climate Center. That would be the longest stretch since 1908, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=abXd5U53AM0Y&refer=australia

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194168

Patsi,,,, It was a DEM congress the last two years of appropriations.
The Change … Is with the 2006 cleaning, and now Bush gone – slowly Conservative Economic values are creeping back in… But not fast enough…

In South Australia, the state capital Adelaide reached 45.7 degrees at 3:31 p.m.

That's 114.26 F

Ping -
Have some grits.

Something that connects our electrical debate from yesterday, and the news from Down Under today -
" Wholesale electricity prices in South Australia surged to A$2,484 a megawatt-hour in the half-hour ended 1:30 p.m. today as demand rose to 3,268 megawatts, according to data from the National Electricity Market Management Co. That was almost 10 times the price of an hour earlier. "

Sorry, Ping -- you can't blame this meltdown on Democrats.

Furthermore, I don't believe for a minute that it has that much to do with the one percent of iffy housing loans. That's a conservative talking point aimed at blaming high level graft on poor folks.

I worked off and on writing for a Forbes 400 cat, self-made, who still related to us po-folks....this was between 2000 and 2002. He constantly said that the center wasn't holding. He'd get red in the face, and say, "Greed at the top is bringing us down. CORPORATE GREED AT THE TOP!"

C-Bob -- can't speak for Ping...but I've now traded in grits (with cream and sugar) for peanut butter and apricot jelly french toast with maple syrup. YUM!

Iceland's fisheries ministry has issued whaling quotas substantially enlarged from those in previous years, as the government prepares to leave office.

The quotas would allow catching of 100 minke whales and 150 fin whales annually for the next five years.

The incoming interim administration is likely to be led by parties opposed to whaling, and may cancel the move.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7854705.stm

http://www.dccc.org/page/petition/rush

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Since when have the Democrats become so worried about someone exercising their right to speech? I don't recall their worriment surfacing while President George W. Bush was in office, while all the Hate Bush voices were spewing their venom through a number of different medias on a daily basis. The Democrats are misconstruing Rush's words. He does not want President Obama to fail, he wants President Obama's and the Democrats "Big Government" spending policies to fail. Why the outrage, isn't this what makes America great, dissenting opinions? The stimulus package will pass the House without 1 Republican vote, and in the Senate there are enough "Moderate Republicans" to help pass the bill on their side. So why all the concern about 1 man voicing his opinion? Answer is rather simple. The Democrats need the Republicans to sign onto the bill, so when it fails the Democrats can rightfully point to the Republicans and say, "they voted for it too".

If the forecast is accurate, it will also be Victoria's driest period in 77 years, increasing the possibility of bushfires in the state.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/01/28/124598f43591

Cbob- Gee, not surprised you didn't sign the letter. Well, if this goes project goes through we'll have the likes of you and George Bush to thank. How's it feel to be on his side? To put a plant of 130 wind turbines in the middle of Nantucket Sound is just as ridiculous as placing one in Zion, Bryce, the Guadalupe Mountains or the Grand Canyon. How about Mount Rushmore.? Must be lots of wind there, Bet you don't want ANWR oil drilling but you seem to be going out of your way on this one. For someone who professes their concern for Earth, you are way missing the mark on this one, Open your eyes, just because its a wind project, doesn't make justify it. For me ,I'll continue to do the right thing and try and protect the Sound and have it designated as a marine protected area. Hopefully, we'll win and the future generations will have the likes of me to thank , the people who didn't just jump on the latest bandwagon and had the foresight to carefully create and plan out the resolve to our energy needs without destroying Nantucket Sound.
http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer

TinR -
Have an oxycontin, it's the drug Rush had his house keeper score for him.

OSH and C-Bob -- I have a solution....put all the "windmills" in Kansas, where we are used to them. Hell, those of us who grew up west of Dodge think that the state tree is the telephone pole.

Speaking of Iceland:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/iris-lee/icelandic-pm-would-be-wor_b_161311.html

Haliburton fined $559 million for bribery.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE50P5ZE20090126

Ferina this Morning....

Patsi - I did not blame any one specific group.... I just stated the fact that the last Two Years have been Dem Congress...

Why do people keep forgetting this fact?

Good Morning everyone!

Craig -- Didja have to call Limbaugh a "diva?" Gives the rest of us divas a bad name.

~ Alicia

That is Farina

last two years being "dem congress" is kind of lame, considering there were enough repubs left, and lieberman, to stymie anything not republican in origin, right?

Lot of those repubs are gone now......and now we'll see what happens.......

good morning gang....

CBob... the snow is now coming my way.... but it's no big deal....
that fundable link is waaay cool...

Craig... I am extremely glad to have a president who once more can eloquently speak the English language..... and sound like an adult..... I am duly impressed with Obama's first 7 days....

TinR... Rush has every right to say what he wants..... he has the right to dissent..... we have the right to dissent his dissent.... and if you want to dissent our dissent of his dissent..... have at it...
and since we all have a right to our opinions.... in mine.... Rush is a dissenting asshole...

Patsi -- Why do DEMs have to bend over backwards and be all bipartisan and inclusive with the GOP? We get stung every time with that strategy. The GOP doesn't want to compromise-- they jut want to vote "no." The DEMS should grow some ovaries and tell the GOP to put up or shut up, vote up or vote down, but get on the bus or get off the road or the voters will run them over.

~ Alicia

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194192

One could only wish that the same exposure given to the fat cat republicans that are now gone will fall onto the likes of the same Dems with this condition.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/01/25/obama_media/

"Some things just don't change"

"Again, I ask, why does bipartisanship always mean Democrats caving in to Republicans? Did anyone in the White House press corps suggest that George W. Bush, who won by a slimmer margin than Obama, ought to veto bills that didn't get Democratic votes in 2001 or 2005? I don't think so."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194194

You sound like our new President.... Lets do the peoples work... Will I have told my Dem Congressman he better vote NO to any bill that says economic stimulus but has Pork and fat.
Lets see what he does for one of his PEOPLE - And I am not alone

Diva.... Dems should grow some ovaries....... ROFL!

as I said in a post last night... the Republicans are now showing the Dems how to be an opposing party....

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/refs-by-digby-opinionator-in-ny-times.html

"Many members of the press clearly like Obama. But it won't help him pass his program or convey the message he wants to convey because the majority of those who are charged with disseminating his message aren't agents of change, they are agents for the status quo whether they know it or not. And they have the power to tilt the playing field."

ping........a decent wish........

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194192

One could only wish that the same exposure given to the fat cat republicans that are now gone will fall onto the likes of the same Dems with this condition.

Posted by: Ping Pong | January 28, 2009 7:52 AM

this being the wish to which I referred as decent.

Old Sea -
I didn't sign either group's petition.
And if it goes through I'll be with Woods Hole, Green Peace, Natural Resources Defense Council, Friends of the Earth, Union of Concerned Scientists, World Wildlife Fund, and the Massachusetts PTA. Just to name a few.

What happened here yesterday, is a perfect example about the tough choices we are all facing.

And don't forget George Bush Cbob. It wouldn't be a tough choice if you were more knowledgeable and informed about.

Rush Limbaugh is a genius; he made a fortune saying stupid stuff and riling up idiots on both the left and right. Only in America!

Ted Stevens, corrupt politician and GWB ally, tried to block the wind farm, Sea. What that means, I don't know.

I understand your opposition, and I might feel the same way if I lived on Nantucket. Deep-water would be preferential, but it cuts into profit. I'll bet $20 it gets built as is.

Old sea -
I started learning about this stuff when gas was 25 cents a gallon .
Don't be peeing on my leg, and telling me it's warm rain.

Ocean Zoning
"The work of the Consortium is an attempt to address a number of lessons learned from the Cape Wind "train wreck," said Mark Forest, chief of staff of U.S. Rep. William Delahunt."
Under the current Cape Wind process, community and local stakeholders have little say.

"Delahunt argues it is better to have government predesignate sites, avoid shipping lanes and fishing grounds and recommend areas based on science that is objective," Forest said. "If the federal government is unwilling to do it, then it must be up to the states and local communities to fill that leadership role."

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090118/OPINION/901180353/-1/rss09

Carolyn Maloney is on C-Span....

I keep telling you guys -- put the windmills in Kansas. We know about windmills.

Of course, I've been in Tennessee for twenty five years -- but I'm still a Jayhawker at heart. And not just any Jayhawker -- a flatlander. Not like you wusses in the kinder & gentler rolling hills of Eastern KS, Jack. :)

Patsi -
When Pickens started his effort last summer he played to packed houses all over the Plains. Why ? because these people in small towns are dying for economic development.

We all must Demand Accountability. If Pres Barack does one thing only of his promise - it must be accountability.
If this bill passes in the name of Economic Stimulus - then his start out of the gate for him and the Dems is a big fat F.

Off to work to stay ahead of those that want to take us down!

OK,,, What is the term for a Southern Dem that supports states rights and is in actual practive more like a republican?
---ping

quite a few terms come to mind........lol

Patsi-
6 are online, and 34 are in the pipeline -

Kansas Wind Projects

http://www.kansasenergy.org/wind_projects.htm

Cbob

That is part of Pickens's con job.

Jack

Jack
How's the pain ?

Jack -
Well he conned RFK Jr. They've been speaking together lately.

Ping, I hope you would award the 'F' no earlier than than the mid-terms.

Goodness knows what we've been doing (our great national Ponzi scheme) has worked only for the greediest of the greedy.

I certainly don't want a continuation of the laissez faire policies of that establishment Republican leaders seem to be demanding; they (both the policies and the leaders) have been a disaster.

I'm not getting in the middle of a fight with 2 of my favorite people here....

Diva.... in hopes that you won't misunderstand my post to you..... I totally agree with your 7:52 to Patsi.... campaigning on changing the tone in Washington is fine..... extending your hand to the other side is fine.... but I agree with what Lardass has stated that being the opposing party is the only weapon the Repubs have at the moment....

imagine if the Dems had actually been an opposing party to Bush..... John Kerry wouldn't have voted for the war in Iraq... he wouldn't have had to apologize for said vote.... he wouldn't have had the Republicans making him look like a mealy mouth wimp.... John Edwards wouldn't have had to apologize for his vote..... and Hillary wouldn't have looked so foolish trying not to apologize for hers....

President Obama..... you extended your hand.... it was slapped.... now let's get on to business....

Corrected post

Ping, I hope you would award the 'F' no earlier than the mid-terms.

Goodness knows what we've been doing (our great national Ponzi scheme) has worked only for the greediest of the greedy.

I certainly don't want a continuation of the laissez faire policies that establishment Republican leaders seem to be demanding; they (both the policies and the leaders) have been a disaster.

" Why ? because these people in small towns are dying for economic development."

Absolutely. Let's face it, the World's Deepest Hand Dug Well in Greensburg, Kansas didn't exactly bring in a flood of tourists. (The tornado, of course, did bring the press.)

"http://www.kansasenergy.org/wind_projects.htm"

Interesting! Lots of surrounding counties, but nothing yet in my home county...Haskell. (The flattest county in Kansas!)

Wind Power Produces 123% of Residential Energy Demand in Rock Port, Missouri

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/home-residential-wind-power-rock-port-missouri.php

A new wind blowing
Cooperation brings renewable energy to northwest Missouri

Waltemath, who is president of the local school board, says tax revenue from the Bluegrass Ridge project will be a boon for the local school and the county.

http://www.ruralmissouri.org/06pages/06DecWind.html

http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/page_id__6948_path__0p115p1224p597p.aspx

http://www.peteena.com/HOLE.HTM

two contendahs......

More hand slapping, and it ain't high fives or unclenching of a fist!

Iranian leader demands US apology
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - 15/1/2009
Mr Ahmadinejad's remarks were the first since Mr Obama took office

Iran's president has responded to an overture by the new US president by demanding an apology for past US "crimes" committed against Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7855444.stm

Morn'n Flatus...

Now President Obama - former Office of Pres Elect Obama - is the one that laid the high ground BS and is now Walking away - trying to control.
Pres Barack is the one that talked about accountability but now is backing off and pushing a social spending bill.
Just come clean-
I do not understand why he and the Dems are hiding.

Cbob

Conning liberals is easy any child with big eyes can do it. Just rescue a couple of wet bedraggled puppies and they go all misty eyed. It makes it hard for them to see.

Pickens has never got misty eyed in his life and he keeps a close eye on those things dear to him. In this case the price of natural gas. He owns a lot of it and if he can expand it into transportation fuels then he makes lots of money.

I'm setting here listening to my furnace run on this cold January morning. I can probably pay the price increases that the Pickens plan will bring(I won't like it) But many of my neighbors can't afford their current bills raising the price of natural gas will mean choices of do I eat or do I have heat.

Jack

"...by demanding an apology for past US "crimes" committed against Iran."

On the count of three, let's have the administration spin that as being a positive response.

So how do you deal with the mullahs and their toady, Ahmadinejad?

The wind it windeth every day

maybe we could issue a teensy-weensy apology for all that Shah of Iran business........we wouldnt have to mean it or anything and all the players are gone, now......what the heck, eh?

"...teensy-weensy apology for all that Shah of Iran business."

Sturg, they got a de facto apology for that with the ouster of Carter. I suspect they will have a continuing stream of 'slights' for which they will demand apologies.

"The wind it windeth every day"

But mostly in Kansas.

Missouri not so much. One thing about working construction you notice any breeze in the summer time.
Cross the state line and the wind picks up.
I'm guessing that if the good people of Rock Port are really producing all their electricity with wind turbines there will be many time they will be out there turning them by hand.
Just another success story press release. Lardo, with your history I imagine you have written a few of them.
Gotta love them little puppies though. ;-)

Jack

Renee -
I watched the whole Rocky Mountains get bought up by rich people. The people that make their beds , cook their food , and clean their toilets, now drive 50 to 100 miles to work, because they can't afford to live near those places anymore. That story has been repeated all over the country. Try moving to Santa Fe without your trust fund.

Nantucket isn't any different. It's isn't about whether a wind farm is going harm the sea life there. The Danes have been at it for 15 years. They don't hate their patch of ocean .
It is about a lot of rich people protecting their over priced cottages.

And when I was watching that happen out here. Ronald Reagan's folks pushed through an e-z pay deal so all those fishermen in New England could get them a boat . What happened ? All those old salts when out and stripped their patch of ocean of fish. Stocks collapsed, and the fleet was sold off to the folks in the Carolinas. They destroyed a fishery that had been around for 400 years.
And people like Chris Matthews bought their rustic little houses.

http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/history/stories/groundfish/grndfsh1.html

i didn't just stumble on this, I watched it happen from 2,000 away in real time, one of my best friends in Colorado was from Nantucket.

"Just come clean-
I do not understand why he and the Dems are hiding."

Ping, I think you're being unfair. It's a work in progress.

The current debate has to be on how we stimulate our economy--by tossing big bucks at the major corporations, or giving money directly to taxpayers and telling them to spend it right now. And, if the taxpayers decide to bank the money, then that's okay too because it then becomes available for the banks to loan out.

The major philosophical debate was held prior to the election; let's try to be supportive by giving those now in charge a significant grace period. If your fears are indeed well founded, then there will be a change in the House come two years.

Definitions:

Pork: any federal money that is spent in your neighborhood.

Stimulus: Spending done to do needed infra structure projects in my neighborhood.

I am all for controling any Pork put in the simulus bill. IMO we should do our best to eliminate pork and apply it to stimulus spenting.
Just My Humble Opinion

Jack

Cbob
About the pain
You know how it goes.

Just round one,
with the doctor trying to look smart even if he is clueless.
Next round take pictures of the insides.

Looks like we are throughing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks.

The good news is my heart looks good. Now I get to imagine all the other deadly things it could be.

Jack

Jack -
In the summer of 1980 I worked on an oil well east of Lubbock for Picken's company Mesa Petroleum . I've know about him for 29 years. Don't be telling me about what he's up to, because I followed his story . His main investments now are a lot land in the panhandle, and all the water under it. What Pickens has in spades is water rights to the Ogallala aquifer.

Ping, the term you are looking for is Dixiecrat.

Talking about the difference in governing and seeking bipartisanship, just noodling here, but I see the difference between Repubs and Dems' notions of bipartisanship as deep and wide.

IMHO it boils down to a fundamental principle difference - repubs want to benefit the rich directly, which they believe will in turn benefit the less well off as the excess trickles down to create jobs and drive the economy, and who they will ALLOW to join the ranks of the rich if they can figure out how to do that on whatever makes its way down to them - dems on the other hand want to benefit the middle and below directly - and directly HELP them to help them become richer, and who in turn will benefit the less well off as the excess trickles down to create jobs and drive the economy. The end result is potentially the same, the approach is dramatically different.

But the real fundamental difference is that the Repubs BELIEVE that their approach - I'll call it passive inclusion - is the ONLY way to make government and the economy work, facts to the contrary notwithstanding - so they don't need any help or suggestions thank you very much. they beliee they have a corner on the knowledge and insight market, so et on board or get out of our way. It's a "your" problem approach with a "my" solution.

Dems on the other hand believe in what I'll term active inclusion and UNDERSTAND that their approach needs tweeking as things go along and facts to the contrary have to be taken into account and dealt with, so they see the need need to reach consensus on the details if the system is to work correctly. It's an "our" problem approach looking for an "our" soulution.

Or not.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194238

LOL, Jack...I was referring more to the overall renewables discussion than any particular project.

I remember those damn, dead-still summer afternoons down in the East Bottoms, too. You're right about that.

Cbob

Another iron in his fire.

Which is another reason you carefully study anything he is involved for the unintended or maybe even the intended consequences. I don't believe , (as I've heard some say) that the leopard has change his spots.

Jack

Jack -
That hole east of Lubbock, was dry by the way. We still fraced it , acidized it, and swabbed the hell out of it. His company man was one of the brightest people I ever met in the oil patch.

Just for the record, here's the verse I was bastardizing...

When that I was and a little tiny boy,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
A foolish thing was but a toy,
For the rain it raineth every day.

I'm sure Sturge can take the wheel from there...

CBob....
OSH is not rich.... she is looking at the small picture and she wants to preserve something she loves..... I applaud her tenaciousness....
you are looking at the big picture and want to do as much as you can to bring about alternative energy..... I applaud your tenaciousness....

pogo... I see it as the Republicans aren't very good at governing, but are masters at politics..... the Democrats are better at governing, but generally suck at politics....
being an opposition party is about politics, IMO.... not governing....

Well, as one of the great cynics on this or any other planet. I found that being a cynic on the net is one of the easy exercises in life , it's not letting it eat your brain that's the trick.

Renee -
Thanks, I'm aware of that. But Nantucket is being run now to protect Chris Matthews property rights , not Old Sea and the people she represents. You should have seen Santa Fe , when all those folks who lived there for 300 years were driven out when they couldn't pay their property taxes, after Steven Spielberg came to town. My uncle and his crowd did the same thing north of there .

" Poor New Mexico, so far from heaven, so close to Texas "

renee, that, too. :-)

btw, I won't be up your way this week. Maybe in May - who knows?

Craig, Glen Beck does make a lot of people nervous.

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/01/craig-crawford-i-fav-seven-days-in-are.html

We are in the deep freeze down here in Texas it isn't that bad but if you get ice and a skiff of snow in Texas everything comes to a halt. Up in Montana where I come from, we just throw some sand on the roads and get on with gettin on:)

Obama said in his meeting with Hill Republicans ...

On GOP complaints, "he said that 'there will be time to beat him up and a time for politics. He said I understand that and I will watch you on Fox News and feel bad about myself.'"

A little off-topic, but want to share a chuckle. Facebook has a group called "You know you're a political staffer when...." where people put snapshot statements of their quixotic existences in the heat of the campaign season. Lots of funny observances, but this one had to be the best:

You send out a young volunteer to put literature on people's windshields, after describing what differences there might be between GOP and DEM cars and he returns telling you he "hit the jackpot and one parking lot" at the same time the secretary tells you that the local Mercedes dealership is on line 2.

1858 John Brown organized raid on Arsenal at Harper's Ferry
1978 Ted Nugent autographs a fan's arm with his knife
1986 25th Space Shuttle (51L)-Challenger 10 explodes 73 seconds after liftoff

An Acid Test For Obama And The Post Partisan Unity Schtick
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Obama Administration
Posted on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 09:23:18 AM EST

As the battle rages on between Obama partisans (these are persons who have, and perhaps it will be justified, an almost blind faith in Obama) and other progressives who are, to put it mildly, skeptical about the post-partisan unity schtick (I count myself among this group, a group cynical about all pols and who count Obama as a pol), I think there is little doubt that President Obama and his postpartisan unity schtick are about to face a major acid test -- the President's performance in shaping an economic stimulus plan.

I think this test should reveal a few things. First, is Obama as progressive as we have been told on matters economic. Second, what does he really believe "will work" to stimulate the economy adequately. Third, how effective was the post partisan unity schtick in helping the President achieve his political and policy goals.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/1/28/102318/975

Divalicias -
That's the catch of the day.

Patsi -- Jim Cooper said he might vote against the bill? Good lawd. At one time he was representing the "poorest district" in Congress. Now I guess that's Jose Serrano's district (Bronx, NYC).

If Cooper does vote againt it, I hope y'all have a young and hungry DEM ready to run against him in a primary next year.

~Alicia

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194240

Flatus... What Debate... Pres Barack and the Dems are pushing a vote Today ! What debate?
Quick lets spend this goodwill and they will never know.

Once this passes everything in the agenda is done - Lets save dollars and send them all home - then they can do us no more harm.

Accountability - Nancy, Harry, Barack - Stop calling it Stimulus and not being turthful to the American People. How can my congress person vote today for the huge bill, He just found his way to the toliet.

Landbubber Cbob- I don’t care how long you’ve been studying, you still don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to the Sound. It’s a different environment than what you’ve been studying out west, one that you obviously neither honor nor respect enough to overcome your other resentments which were transparent yesterday, as well as your knee jerk reaction to wind power.

Bush on the environment vs Kennedy? Hmmm, there’s a tough choice. I find it sad that you overlook Bush’s involvement. I imagine, that must be a bit embarrassing. Why shouldn’t he give us this disaster as his parting gift? His father annihilated the menhaden (that’s a fish). Like father like son, just another Bush family legacy. Someone pissing on your leg won’t have the same long term damage as you and Bush pissing on our water and telling us its good for the environment.

PIng -- HR 1 stimulates me -- my job will be assured if it passes. So there.

Well at least Ping has discovered " Accountability " in the dictionary.

Some of this offshore turbine wind power stuff is brought by the same people who said "drill baby drill."

Cbob,
Actually Accountability - I have used before and that is my background.....

My new word is a compound one... Naive Neophyte

I think it does a good job to describe our new President. It is factual, not a slam and hey he may be cool with that....

And please - Stop with the Macro hyper crap to self define Dem vs Rep...... Oh paa lease

I will say both should be dumped and we all form a new party

Alicia - of course it is. That doesn't make it good or bad. Like every other form of energy there are pluses and minuses, but it's hard to compare domestic oil and gas drilling to wind energy - except through common investors, of course. I might oppose a wind project because of its location, or because it kills birds and bas I might care about, but not because of its backers.

PS Cbob- Neither Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution nor the Marine Biological Laboratory support Cape Wind, merely the small Woods Hole Research Center. A common mistake made by uninformed people. Certainly Cape Wind is aware of this and plays it. Seems to work too, you fell for it.

"It is about a lot of rich people protecting their over priced cottages."
Wrong again Cbob. The County of Dukes County is the poorest in the Commonwealth.

More like towns and volunteers fighting a huge Corporation that has Bush's backing.

I got a friend from Nantucket. Touching.

why not put a couple of turbines on each of those huge oil platforms already in the gulf of mexico.

That was a great video the potted plant featured at the end is that some kind of subliminal message LOL!

Oh, and Ping, in addition to leaving the economy tending toward shambles I forgot to mention in that 28 year clause "run up huge deficits to fund tax cuts that largely favored the most well off". Sorry for the omission.

pogo...
actually.... that's good news for me..... one of the women in my "girls night out" group is turning 60 this Monday..... I got an email shortly after you said you wouldn't be making it about giving her a BD party this Friday night.... I accepted.... now I won't have to feel guilty if you had made it up here.... :0)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194284

Pogo - That is a multi beer conversation- including maybe some wings...

Quick answer - Those that have been in Washington over the last years calling themselves Republicans - have not been - That is why we took the dump in 06.
And in fact the pattern of the last years even before the Dems took power in 06 was failed social fiscal policy.
As I have said for a long period is Bush compromised and let Chris, Barney, Harry and Nancy have their way. So to relate the last period as Republican is an error.

Now we have no change just Huge increase of More of the same Failed policy which is being marketed as a Stimulus bill - No Debate - Rush it quckly as a crisis.
Gosh Sound familiar? It that what all complained about with Bush.
Pres Obama is doing the same thing.
They do NOT need to pass this bill if it is not Right,

How can anyone know this with such speed? Barack is pulling a fast one - and funny - he is doing a McCain but he is just much more calm and cool about it,,,

So with that ... Craig gets a good grade for the video... It all just came together

"Were we to have a shred of evidence that this was going to somehow damage the marine ecosystem of Nantucket Sound, we would be the first environmental organization to say 'not here,'" said Chris Miller, a climate and energy campaigner for Greenpeace International.

According to Miller, Greenpeace has found that on average, the average wind turbine kills between one and three birds a year, which makes turbines far less dangerous than cars, buildings and cats.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/science/wind_power/threattobirds.html

Ping - a many beer conversation it would be indeed, and one I'd love to get into. And we would disagree about Nancy and Harry getting their way. I'd call it rolling over on their part and giving Bush what he asked for, at least until the last couple of months. As for Repubs not being Repubs - true enough if your definition of Repubs applies to the myth of Reagan rather than the reality. Of course after about 2 beers I'd probably rather talk kids, women, sports or rock and roll.

btw, you in Tampa or Orlando? Tampa isn't it? I have a colleague down there who said the mayor was freaking out and was going to call some sort of state of emergency last week because the temps were supposed to drop below 32 for a day. Any truth to that?

Oh, and Ping, make them garlic and butter wings if you don't mind - my tummy can't abide buffalo wings any more.

So, are there no worries about what offshore Atlantic turbines will do to the migratory birds?

I guess there wouldn't be any effect on the coastal ecosphere, right?

Pogo Terryaki ...

I am in Craigs Home Town of OTown, aka Obamatown, or Orlando.....

It Tampa Mayor is doing that he is a wimp, It is not unusual to have a freeze along the I-4 corridor.

Breaking news: Family planning stripped from stimulus bill

The Medicaid Family Planning State Option is a provision that would provide health care coverage for 2.3 million low-income women while generating savings for states and the federal government. Now, after misinformation was spread by opponents, it's been cut from the economic stimulus bill. Call the White House comment line now at 202-456-2111 and speak out in support of this important provision.

http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/abcjan09_call/iw86eikrqkemdni?qp_source=abcjan09%5fe1%5fppol

A link to the exec summary of the EIS is in paragraph 3 of the article the link below takes you to. Read it if you're inclined and decide for yourself.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/01/final-draft-environmental-impact-study-issued-for-cape-wind-energy-project.php

Off-Topic -- Jill Biden to teach ESL classes at Northern Virginia County College.

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/article/jill_biden_to_teach_at_nova_cc/

Ping - the Orlando that's the second home of the rodent? After 4 trips there, I've had my fill for a while. But I don't imagine you live where I roamed with LP & Mrs. P. Teriaki - I can do that.

Topic: Offshore Wind Farms and the Enviroment

Unique knowledge concerning the environmental impact of offshore wind farms
27 November 2006

With publication of the results of the six-year long environmental monitoring programme for the Horns Rev and Nysted offshore wind parks, Denmark has underpinned its leading position in the area of offshore wind farm building.

http://www.energistyrelsen.dk/sw42947.asp

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194241

Jack,

I absolutely agree with this sentiment. I really, really hope the House Dems haven't screwed this up and kicked the Yes We Can down the road, so to speak, in favor of business as usual.

On the one hand, the fact that Congress spit out such a huge bill so quickly would seem to indicate that it's chock full of tried-and-true old spending chestnuts right off the shelf.

On the other hand, I can't believe Obama would stake his presidency so early on a pig in a poke. He had to have told whole platoons of OMB analysts to go through this bill with a shotgun and blast anything that oinks or isn't demonstrably a stimulus.

The bottom line is, you can't really tell from the media reports. You can make ANY spending program seem silly and pork-barrelish if you try hard enough. And short of having Larry Summers go on TV and present the rationale for every single spending item, I'm not sure what we're left with.

Old Sea -
You have dirty friends -
Eco-Scandal or Clerical Mistake?
Well, well. The cat's out of the bag: "The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound [...] filed a federal document last month reporting that its work is partially funded and shaped by an international energy conglomerate. [...] The disclosure represents the first documented financial connection between the group opposing the wind farm and Oxbow Corp., which mines and markets energy and commodities, including coal, natural gas, and petroleum."

Of course, the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound immediately said that the filing of the document was "a mistake". What is the mistake, we wonder. Is it a mistake in the sense that the document contains factually incorrect information, or is it a mistake in the sense that it reveals facts that they would have rather kept hidden? Not too hard to estimate the probabilities on that one.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/cape-wind-farm-controversy.php

Greed cuts both ways baby.

Craig

Said it before,,,that our government IMO is responsible (mainly) for three things---1st,,Military security,,,2nd,,Financial security,,,,3rd,,Infrastructure,

I believe that Pres Obama will cut Military spending,,,,but not by much,,,what does he know now that he is president that he did not know before--our military challenges and involvement around the world,,,not just the obvious??,he won't be able to back off 100% or as fast now that he knows the commitments that we are in?,,this why I like that Mrs Clinton is the SOS,,,there to help him,,,and she has Pres. Clinton to help her

He should concentrate on repairing our financial security---put $ into infrastructure , with strings attached to all spending,,,,,no $ is diverted by mayors,,or to other projects,,( if they are he is no diff---some $ will get lost in the process?)---this will create jobs and opportunities mid size and small companies,,,that will hire the people that will spend the $ they make immediately ,,,and circulate it to local business ,,machine rentals,,heavy equipment purchases,,,work clothes,,,etc etc

He can't be judged until he attempts and fails or attempts and is successful 2 years? I hope only one.

Ping-----could not agree with you more about this---a third party Yes,,,and Yes.

Jack,,,,in you are exactly right about wind power in urban areas,,,,,wind power has to be done (researched on individual bases,,,,that is why OSH is stating the facts as she sees them,,,,there has been studies done,,,,I hope that champ is wrong and big $ won't win out there,,but wind turbines will be prominent in the very near future,,,,,,there is not enough wind in the city and some suburbs now,,,,spending $ for a wind is not the way to go----this is why I am concentrating in solar,,,,the combination of the 2 will be used depending on locations..

"HR 1 stimulates me -- my job will be assured if it passes. So there. "

Alicia -- I think anyone who works as an indie contractor (like me) will also feel the stimulus -- people are SO afraid to make any movesright now. I feel lucky to have a couple of projects. It's damn scary out there....

Urban wind programs are going forward

http://www.examiner.com/a-819169~Ammiano_spins_rooftop_wind_turbine_idea_in_S_F_.html

" will say both should be dumped and we all form a new party"

Throw the bums out! Chris Dodd is about as poor a rep to have dealing with the bank and credit industry as I could think of.....

Read the FEIS Cbob- they have upgraded to moderate damage to the birds. Sent that to your friend Chris too.

Ree -- Tennessee also comes to a halt at the mere mention of snow....coming from Colorado (in '83) I was shocked...of course, TN gets ice, whereas Colo usually got snow....

"On the other hand, I can't believe Obama would stake his presidency so early on a pig in a poke. "

I've been thinking the same, LL.

You are really snowed CBob, . Greed? What a joke? 5 people work for Save Our Sound.

Pogo... I live Downtown Orlando not near the Tourist Zone.... Hey LardLib... Must be near me also as he hears the same fireworks for the local Boone High School football team.
Next time stay downtown and enjoy the Real Orlando, Take in the Winter Park Lakes and then go to the Coast and tour the Canaveral Seashore... It is great

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194313

LL and Patsi,

Remember Pres Obama is a Naive Neophyte !

And think about the easy pass given him by the Media during the election -and some continue to this day.
His rose color glasses have not been knocked off yet.

A new day awaits for the Golden Boy....

Old Sea -
As I looked at your site the other day, I saw the same pattern that the wingers use on Climate. Lots of charges , but little linkage to any supporting evidence. What set me off was as I said before , telling the reader that the Danes pay 3 times more electricity than Americans. Sounds terrible if you don't know anything about what the Danes have been doing for the last 30 years.
Simply saying greedy, greedy, greedy ...... Bush . Bush, Bush don't cut it.

If I was a lobbyist for the Western Fuels Assoc. [ Big Coal ] I'd be funding your friends too.
By the way those folks are the ones shoveling money into all the winger think tanks like the Heartland Inst. , Competitive Enterprise
etc., etc.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194307

Patsi - The stimulus package will help at least 75 families in Stafford county who are on the waiting list for child care assistance, plus a few more who can't even get on the list because 75 is all the slots on the waiting list.

I have early childhood teachers and care providers calling our congressman who says he's going to follow what he thinks is public opinion. He's gauging this by the number of people who are voting on his website.-- a total of 289 people out of a district of 500,000(!)

Call Cooper's office -- and tell all your friends!

If the DEM leadership truly did have the strength it should have -- they should make this a "leadership" vote. The GOP would have without batting an eye.

Jack

I think that planning for the future with large wind turbine is the way to go,,,,,but what should be done for right now,,,the present and for the people that live in very cold houses is to upgrade (rehab) all exterior wall,,(government credit) and get them to at least an R-30 rating,,,,,this will save a lot of energy and also a lot of $ that they can spend on food,,and other needs.

Home Wind Turbines Prove Less Effective

Jan. 13, 2008 -- Home wind turbines are only generating a fraction of electricity promised by the manufacturers while some even fail to yield enough energy to run the turbine's electronics, a British study warned on Tuesday.

The survey conducted by consultant engineers Encraft said contrary to claims that micro turbines can suffice for a household's 30 percent electricity needs, on an average they only generate 214 watts hours per day, including when the turbine is switched off for maintenance or developed a snag.

Sufficient power just to light up four low energy light bulbs for a day or less than a five percent of electricity a household requires.

Engineers however found that wind turbines installed on buildings in exposed positions or high up away generated significant amounts of energy.

Matthew Rhodes, Encraft's managing director said that turbines if put up in the right place can achieve the desired results.

http://dsc.discovery.com/

The thing is that in the summer time there is not wind,,,,,,the lots are 25 ft wide,,,about 20-27 houses all crammed together (property separated by 3 ft. and some of the taller houses suffocate wind for the lower ones that are all mixed in,,,,plus these people will not be able to afford the experiments,

Will large wind farms be able to redirect storms?,,,if a snow storm is heading towards NY can it be directed towards another path,,,who get this additional snow? will $ interest now control the weather? lot s of things to look at,,,,if some storm can be directed out to sea,,,,thats a good thing,,,,,but if I get an additional 20 inches of snow to shovel out,,,that is a very bad thing

Tony see you at the gym,,,later

Today, the Oxbow Group is made up of more than two dozen companies with yearly aggregate sales of over $3.7 billion, combined assets of over $1.7 billion and over 1200 employees worldwide. Oxbow's primary businesses are the mining and marketing of energy and commodities such as coal, natural gas, petroleum, metallurgical and calcined coke.

http://www.oxbow.com/ContentPage.asp?FN=AboutPhilosophy&TS=1&MS=1&oLang=
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Funny how these guys get on a financial filing from your friends working to save the the Sound.

There's something rotten, and it ain't in Denmark.

Cbob
A little faulty logic there.

Just because the coal industry opposes it doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Jack

planet green:
Buy Green: Cleaning Supplies

Water Pipeline Not Wind Power, Real Reason Pickens Can Build Transmission Lines
by Matthew McDermott, New York, NY on 06.18.08

Slow and easy is the way---to make sure its done right?

New Texas legislation makes it possible
Up until last year this wouldn’t have been possible under Texas law, but during the last session of the state legislature a new law was passed which allows renewable and clean-coal energy projects to obtain public rights of way by piggybacking on a fresh water district’s ability to claim land for water pipelines—by eminent domain if necessary. A water transmission pipeline can be built underground and the transmission lines can run above it.

In doing this Pickens can reduce the time required for permitting and obtaining rights of way, reducing his exposure to regulatory risk, and potential save a good deal of money in the process. And in the end hopefully create a healthy profit for himself.

Eminent domain raises concerns along the route
It seems quite efficient really, but the thought of land being seized through eminent domain raises people’s hackles like little else. Last month residents along the route received letters explaining that their lands may be disturbed.

Amarillo Senator Kel Seliger was quoted in the Avalanche-Journal as saying that his office receives calls from area residents who are concerned their land will be seized and don’t see the benefit of a pipeline which will be drawing water from the depleting Ogallala Aquifer.

In the same article, Lubbock Senator Robert Duncan “felt the freshwater district seemed little more than an alter ego Mesa Power. Dallas had more closer and cost-effective ways to solve its water problems without using a plan pushed by a private company.”

Even though Pickens does not yet have a buyer for all this water or electricty—north Texas water providers have expressed little interest in the project—by combining the water and electric transmission into a single right of way construction can begin more quickly on whichever part of the project first has an outlet. At this point that appears to be the electricity.

Wind Power Record Distracts From the Details?
There’s an entire political component to this project concerning the degree to which Pickens may be exploiting the Texas political process for private gain, which I won’t go into here given the enviro-focus of this website.

As OSH and others like her depend on their part of the world being a playground for the rich and the rich wannabes,
what the rich and famous want is a ligitimate issue not to be denigrated by outsiders who have no economic interest in it.

jmo

Jack

sorry here is the link

http://www.treehugger.com/

I am always amazed how Americans never seem to look at the rest of what the world has been doing , and apply it to themselves.

Prime example today.
If you're Old Sea, the Danes haven't been running the world's largest off shore wind farms. What they've learned means nothing. Even though they've been closely looking at the effects of 2 working installations, for over 5 years. And they're starting more.

Simply amazing.

Solar

I have no problem with wind power. But wind power is not the pickens plan.

I do have real problems promoting a policy that makes natural gas a transportation fuel.
There is not enough NG to do everything planned and still be abundant for home heating.

I 100% agree with your insulation points. A person should not pay more to heat a house than they pay in rent. In the end we all pick up a good deal of the bill either through heating subsidies for the poor or from people who don't pay their bill and pass their cost on to all customers.

Jack

Jack

Cbob

did they locate them in prime tourist areas?

Jack

Jack

I don't know ( or anybody else for that matter) what the Pickens plan is,,,,,,for example,,,when I get my hand on these lots for houses,,,my other plan is to get involved in building the sewer systems not just from the street to the houses,,,,but in the alleyways that will need major work of site prep and sewer lines ( big uns) that hook up,,,,and the potential for a lot more,,,,,What does pickens really have in mind???don't know but the surprise is gonna be a good one,,,but wind is the way to go,,,,,but from the gov, using space,,,,already proven ways to get 50 miles up into space,,,

Ping - last time we were there we went downtown to take LP to a Magic game. Beautiful facility. There was considerable road construction that made the traffic before the game make I-Drive tame in comparison.

Jack -
Yep, and the cottage owners were doing the same dance just like Old Sea 10 years ago.

Read for yourself :
Topic: Offshore Wind Farms and the Enviroment

http://www.energistyrelsen.dk/sw42947.asp

Posted by: Flatus | January 28, 2009 9:06 AM :

So how do you deal with the mullahs and their toady, Ahmadinejad?

*******
Great Q ! I think the answer is get the planet off the petro addiction through solar, geotherm, wind, and biomass power, and bankrupt all the baddies. The republican policy of making the Mullahs rich hasn't worked so well.

Jack

Exactly,,,,while the cost of solar and wind are at an affordable price,,,,,CB is on the right track,to get these at a lowered price,,,Co- Ops,,,,,imo,,affordable soulutions should be looked at for the new housing industry,,,,,tax credits for the builders for wind and solar,,,,yes while improving the older ones for the reasons you stated,,,

XR---hello,,,really liked the conversation last night,,,,I learned some things,,,,thanks

Solar -
Here is Pickens Plan :
20 % of our nat gas consumption goes to make electricity.
Use solar and wind to to make up that 20 %.
Take that 20 % and use it to fuel our HEAVY transportation fleet.

The savings in diesel will be huge on our oil imports, because it takes 3 barrels of oil to make 1 barrel of diesel. That's why diesel costs more at the pump folks. Plus the fleet will get cleaner, the air will be better as you rattle your bones coming up the Harbor freeway out of the Port of Long Beach, and a zillion other places. You can't run a tractor trailer on batteries folks. And your whole world comes in a tractor trailer, from tampons to tacos, it all rides in a big truck sooner or later.

That's why Obama, and RFK Jr. are listening to Pickens.

And you're right about conservation , because we all grew up in a world where insulation was more expensive than oil and coal.
And conservation is where millionaires will be made in the next 10 years, it's where some guy in his garage will make a difference.

Hey, it's not hard to find reasons to argue against anything that wasn't there before - it's the essence of NIMBY arguments. The problem is coming up with a cost-benefit approach that is acceptable to both (or more) sides of the issue. IOW, that won't happen.

It looks to me like the Nantucket project is situated to avoid shipping lanes, and if there's a grain of truth in the EIS and the experience of Denmark with its projects, this really boils down to an argument against the aesthetics of the project, at least that's how I see it. When I was still sailing for a living, there were areas in the Chesapeake we had to avoid because of military activity there - but because you couldn't see anything on the surface, no one bitched about it.

And there has been a furor in WV over Corridor H - a 4 lane corridor running W-E across the state because it would be an eyesore - of course there were other claims that this snail or that minnow's habitat would be disturbed, so it was rerouted in places deemed to be sufficiently sensitive - but the furor did not abate. Having driven wretched mountain roads with kiss your ass turns and nonexistent shoulders behind log and coal trucks, and having had my heart in my throat too many times to mention, I was for the corridor for the simple fact that it would make travel across this state much safer. The opponents of the project couldn't have cared less about that.

CB

If it is kept that simple,,,,I am on board 100%,,,,,but each state should be able to decide (thru studies and such,,,and with Obamas head of that department,,,,,,and yes not enough trucks ,,,and not enough drivers for all that is going on,,,,a combination of solar and wind is a must

PS---please don't use tampooons and tacos in the same line,:-),,,well like Pogo say's --lunch,,left over steak for tacos .

please don't use tampooons and tacos in the same line,:-)

great suggestion Solar - kinda takes the appetite away - no?

object lesson in conservation :
One 100 watt incandescent light bulb , when the electricity finally gets to the socket, takes 2 % of the energy to make light. The other 98 % is heat.
And that's after we lose 60% of the energy in the lump of coal, at the power plant as heat, and waste gases, and along the lines coming over the grid.

Every time one of us turns on an incandescent light, that happens.

I learned that back when gas was 25 cents a gallon 35 years ago, and as a granola cruncher I found that appalling .

Our whole world has that kind of savings before us.

Forgot ---there will be a need for further involvement from the government to screen the tankers that will have NG,,,against terrorism,,,,these driver will need hazard mtl licenses ,,,,lot to think about//

Bob, I heard one of those ads for truck drivers the other day, and they were talking about reimbursment rates of $.52/mi. and my impression was that it was for owner-drivers. I wonder - is that net of diesel, etc .? Sounds very low to me if it's not.

"20 % of our nat gas consumption goes to make electricity.
Use solar and wind to to make up that 20 %"

This is the bait ans switch of the Pickens plan.
This will not happen.

Natural gas will continue to be used for electrical production.
It will increase when a carbon tax or cap and trade system is put in place.
Why because it will be cheaper to use natural gas than wind or solar.

So any conversion of transportation to NG will place even more demand.

Pickens plan is not a rational plan unless your goal is to raise the price of Natural gas. In that case follow the money.

Jack

Pogo----it does,,,,but im starving,,,,no breakfast,,,,and us construction people are used to some one trying to gross us out at lunch time,,,,won't go into that ,,,but you get the point.

CB----About the conservation----this can be done right now,,,,not tomorrow,,,or at some time in the future,,,,,,what we need is more people as passionate as you are about wind turbines,,,to get out the word that the economy can get back on tract a lot faster with this,,,,,home sweat equity for the poor ???

Tampons to Tacos

It's A to Z using just the T.

Solar , About Pickens water plan, it didn't work. Too costly for now. Dallas didn't want to pay the cost of the pipeline for one thing. Lot's of other stuff as well.

Pogo

One companies owner operator rate schedule

http://www.goroehl.com/icCompensation.htm

XR

." Funny, I like Lardassliberal, too."

XR I kinda like him also,,,just like everybody here,,,,,I also like my older brother,,and sister,,,,but they are not allowed to talk down to me,,,,or misinterpret,,my meanings and thoughts,,,we all have personalities that could be taken down a notch or two by someone else, but after the dust up,,,,,I truly enjoyed leaning from you and Flatus,,,,maybe thats why I will stand my ground,,,even it only makes sense to me,,,,welcome back

Pogo -
that sounds like an owner operator pitch, but maybe not. It's been 7 years since I got off the road.

Solar -
It's like gold laying on the ground (Conservation) all we have to do is pick it up. When I was running the 48 , our company burnt a million gallons of diesel a day. And our trucks would only run 62 miles an hour, to save fuel.
If we could reduce the wind drag by just 3 %, that's a boat load of fuel.
30,000 gallons in just that fleet alone.
Someone has invented a fairing by the way, to reduce drag on the back of the trailer. I forget the savings, 5% maybe.

Now that this is behind you--------FUNNY

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194355

Is anyone considering the feasibility of tapping thunderstorms, or hurricanes for power in the Eastern US & the tropics ?

Have there been any hope-raising developments for fusion power ?

pogo

same company, driver only milage pay.

http://www.goroehl.com/wagesMiles.htm

Xrep

I read something last year that they were getting a positive yeild with recent experiments(More energy out than put in)

Fusion power is still twenty years down the road. lol
As it has been for the last 40 years.

Jack

Solar -
You have to have that endorsement for tankers of any kind, except water. Cola Cola is a Hazmat load. Nat. gas runs in pipes anyway.

Anybody here thinks that gasoline is safe just google " Tanker Fires ", and click images. Most tanker drivers think they're Jr. Johnson anyway.

Jack -
From the west slope in Colorado :
" OIl shale the fuel of the future, always has been, always will be."

Has anybody here actually read the bill HR 1? I just downloaded the PDF, it is 647 pages, and they want to vote on it when? Nobody could possibly know all the stuff that is in this thing. Quick pass it before anybody knows all the details. Hurry, Hurry.

Cbob

Yep, lol that is another one.

Bob from what I understand with the oil shale, besides the cost they haven't found a way to extract it that is not an environmental night mare

Jack

I saw something the other day, this bill has 54 Billion for just energy.
Sound expensive ? We sent 700,000 Billion out the country just in the last year to pay our gas tab. That's what got Pickens attention. He says it over and over.

SolarCrete,

Ya, the gal nurses got together and voted me an honorary gal. Sweetie was so proud.

Cost estimates for a new power plant and how fast it can be on line.

One for you bob, it looks like the cost of a nuclear plant is more than wind.
Natural gas is one of the cheapest.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/assumption/pdf/electricity.pdf#page=3

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194364

Jack, Necessity is the mother of invention. Double those prices and someone is going to come up with a better, cheaper way of doing things.

Even if something is expensive to start, if it is better than a cheaper product it will eventually replace the cheaper product in a certain percentage of households and as the quantities increase, the price falls until it can be afforded by everyone (I really like our digital TV in the living room better than the cheap color TV in my bedroom).

If all we cared about was cost, we would probably still be driving horse pulled carriages.

Jack
Shell has pilot operation near Rifle now. It's an In Situ operation. They have heaters in the ground than are 700 degrees, but to keep that from screwing the water table, they want to refrigerate the the rock around it.

If you mine it, and heat it, the rock puffs up by 25 %. And just like tar sands you have to heat it to get the oil to move.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194377

Unlike nuclear, wind steady and gentle enough to run a windmill hasn't been known to kill anything bigger than birds and bats. We do have to come up with a bird and bat solution.

thanks jack - those figures strike me as more in line with what I thought would be reasonable. musta been a pitch for drivers only, maybe for Schneider(?) Anyway - thanks. I was just curious.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194371

Bowman, there's a certain familiarity to that isn't there? To the tune of, say, $700B. The critters don't read that stuff - their staff does and provides them summaries. We go to war on the basis of one page summaries of national security estimates. And this somehow offends you? At least this has as a goal to help save the friggin' economy. I'm much less convinced that there was ANY beneficial purpose for going to war.

Other wise, in oil shale we have more oil than Saudi Arabia, well not exactly it's called kerogen , and it was going to be oil, it just needs to buried for another 500 million years.

My favorite winger is Larry Kudlow on this. He was really going to town on oil shale last summer, it was just those mean greenies getting in the way.

Jamie

Outside of some gross negligence by the Soviets I can't think of any civilian Nuclear power plant killing anyone.

Jack

XR, LOL. So it's cheaer to heat homes in warmer areas? Who knew? Great idea on the mass migration front - I'm sure Mrs. P would buy in - notwithstanding her 100% Italian heritage from Calabria to OH via NY, and her decidedly Clevelandish accent, she claims that she's a southern girl at heart.

For all those solar is still far off thinkers, this discovery was the result a 10 million dollar grant made to MIT for solar research :

"Major Discovery" From MIT Primed to Unleash Solar Revolution

Thursday 31 July 2008

http://www.truthout.org/article/major-discovery-from-mit-primed-unleash-solar-revolution
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MIT isn't shooting blanks on this, everybody remembers cold fusion from Utah.

Good news for Obama - SJC approves Holder, sends nomination to the full senate.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/judiciary-panel-approves-holders-nomination/?hp

Brainerd, MN runs on captured methane from land fills.

A couple years ago an oil explorer (I think Devon or EOG) discovered vast quantities of a possible alternative fuel source lying loose on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico. I can't remember the name of the mineral - methane, hydrogen sulphide ?

Anyway, it is supposed to be burnable without producing the huge amount of greenhouse gases that petro burning produces.

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Solar...I'll grant you that point, and I am going to try to do my best in the future to take a step back and not be so harsh about your posting style. Most of our "dustups" have been more about form rather than substance -- and you're right, that's probably a waste of time for both of us. Unless I'm missing something, I've never known you to directly attack anyone here without first being attacked or belittled.

Jack -
Tokyo Electric has killed people. And they have the world's largest reactor complex .... 7 of them, which hasn't made one electron since the earth quake under them in July of 07. A 40 Billion dollar investment, that's been down for 18 months, not making one nickle of electricity.

I'm sure we could buy those at a discount.

X -
Methane hydrates.

Interesting Bob - an approach to end-run batteries. I like it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194316

Now Ping, that comment is not at all charitable !

Colorado Bob,

This solar discovery looks like a shiny new industrial revolution.

Pogo -
It'll work with turbines as well, you don't have to use solar. Old Sea may be on the hydrogen economy sooner than we think.
It's a closed system, you don't have to keep adding water. The fuel cell makes the juice, and makes water, the water gets split by electricity back into oxygen and hydrogen, the fuel cell is really to repeat the whole thing over and over.

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ET:
Ping doesn't realize that his side lost the election. He still thinks the Repugs are relevant. One of the these days, he will wake up to his bad dream.

"The very first thing that popped into my mind was how much stuff does this spy guy have on Obama regarding the allegations of Obama’s birth in Kenya, his Indonesian Citizenship and the likelihood that he is not eligible to serve as President!!!"

http://zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/drudge-report-cia-spy-boss-secret-sex-videos-is-it-the-first-opportunity-to-blackmail-obama-over-his-eligibility-larry-sinclair/

Lardo

Thanks---I can not think of a single person here that I have not learned something from, as long as I am not arguing with them on a personal level,,,and I will never attack another poster here first, not in me,,,but there are some very personal disturbing things that were said that I will wait for the opportunity to dispute,,,thanks for the extended hand---here is mine.

When you get home at night the filling station is in garage, right next to the electric company, and you own them both. Your solar collector is "paint " on your house. That's coming by the way.

New world order.

Thanks X 2, Colorado Bob !

Until fusion (HA), fuel cell (HA), and superconductivity (HA) come to pass, solar/geothermal in the West, and wind/solar/biomass in the East seem the cheapest alternative sources of energy. I've been waiting 50 years for fusion, and don't expect that todays 30 somethings will ever live to see it.

The interim energy systems will probably not be so very interimish.

Btw, Colorado Bob, is methane hydrate tricky to mine, process, store, transport ?

Then we can take down all those unsightly turbines in Nantucket Sound.

what was the name of the movie that was set at a nuclear plant in Oklahoma. The leakage from the reactor was starting to poison everyone. Big cover up. If I recall properly, the movie was based on a true story.

Interesting photo on page 48 of the New Yorker that arrived today. It looks as if gays in the military is going to get an early hearing--that is if the photograph means what it appears to me to mean. But, then, it might not mean what it appears to mean--I'm naive in such things. Got that?

was that with Jack Lemmon and Jane Fonda? If so, it's "The China Syndrome"

bob - is that solar paint thing related to nanotechnology? I know that there are a buttload of applications for Nanotech "just over the horizon" and I seem to recall that certain applications are capable of messing with the light-absorbing qualities of substances.

HD, the 2 that come to mind that you might be referring to are Silkwood and The Plutonium Incident. But it may be someother movie.

X -
There's a boat load of it. But it's in a "solid" form. That's the trick , thawing it out. Think of it as a type of ice, but it's only ice because it's under pressure very near 32 degrees. Lot's of geoscientists are very worried about it. If we heat the oceans too much, there's plenty of reason to believe it'll all change back into a gas. Billions of gigatons coming out of the oceans all in short period of time. Talk about Climate Change.

Who was it, the Shah? who wanted to tow massive chunks of Antarctic ice to the Middle East to solve their water shortage problems. This was before desalinization became feasible on a large scale.

Silkwood

There was the Windscale 'incident' in Britain many years ago that killed a couple of people. 3 Mile Island came close to burning through. But the Permian and Chernobyl disasters were nuclear Pffffts on a Russian scale. Chernobyl pernmanently removed an area of the size and relative agricultural importance of Iowa from cultivation, and made hundreds of thousands of people homeless. The deaths have not been on the scale of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, but they have still been horrific.

The French built lots of reactors. They have standardized all the elements, which is much cheaper than our method of re-inventing from the ground up (or the sky down, in the case of WHOOPS) each time we built a plant.

Still, the storage problem is unsolved, whether you are American, French, or russian. I say bury all the rods in a red state. What's wrong with sinking them in the Great Salt Lake ? Or, in Senator Imhofe's back yard ?

The Saudis were proposing to lasso Icebergs and tow them with specially saddled supertankers all the way across the equator from Antarctica to to Riyadh's port, along the Chillsum Trail.

Whew! Dick Armey pushed the sleeze machine to attack the bitchy female with Joan Walsh today.... What a total clown he is.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194421

KGC, Here's a good "infrastructure" idea. How about desalinization plants to water the desert that is Southern California so that all those Angelenos can get off the Northern California teat.

Jamie -- did you hear Bob Herbert pound Armey over the comments?

Oh, Joan's answer was hysterical. She said, "I'm glad I'm not your wife,too!"

Except for that justified retort, Joan stayed above Armey slime. Very classy lady. Still, we haven't heard the last of this.

Herbert was great. Even Matthews realized Armey had gone way over the line. Dick Armey can't eat pork, it would be canabalism.

How Modern Law Makes Us Powerless
The real barrier to Barack Obama's 'responsibility' era.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123293018734014067.html

An excellent op-ed.

"Armey can't eat pork, it would be canabalism."

HA!

Armey is a carpetbagger now just saying he lives in Texas.

Tony -- Here's Robert Reich on why we need stronger unions...

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/robert_reich/2009/01/why-we-need-stronger-unions-an.php

Jamie

There are a number of desalination plant proposals for Southern Caifornia in the works:

http://www.desalresponsegroup.org/socal.html

The House passed the stimulus bill by a vote of 244-188. NO Republicans voted for the bill.

Dick Armey no help-- can Tom duhlay be far behind...(why isn't he is jail?)

What to do With the Island You Own?

If you owned an island in Hawaii, there are many things you could do with it. Castle & Cooke owns Lanai island. And the developer is doing the things you would expect a developer to do: a Four Seasons Resort, homes, retail. But Castle & Cooke departs the traditional territory of the developer as it contemplates bringing the largest wind farm on the Hawaiian Islands to its little island. Castle & Cooke would build a 300 to 500 megawatt farm on the relatively small 90,000 acre island, exporting the excess production to neighboring Oahu island via underwater cable.

http://blogs.discovery.com/news_powrtalk/

Interesting Link
WHO GETS THE PORK... Texas wins again

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-STIMULUS0109.html

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KGC

They have been "talked about" and "in the works" for about four decades now ... might actually happen one of these days.

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KGC

That's why the ones that have been built are unused. It was cheaper to raid the Colorado River than produce water from the ocean. Now that the surrounding states are demanding their share of the river water (due to population boom, particularly in Nevada and Arizona), desalinization may come into line. When you consider that the environmental people are pushing for things that benefit the river (ie getting rid of the built up sludge courtesy of depleted flow)..

As water becomes more and more scarce due to bothe population and demand by farmers, fishing, etc. desalinization looks good. Of course, thirty years ago they would have been a lot cheaper and production would have made users costs go down, and the environment would be in better shape. ..

Oh well. The U.S. never has been good at long range planning. Just look at today's economy.

Rush L numbers will grow in direct relationship to the Liberal and Socialist actions of the Congress and the President.
Rush is assured improved ratings
as is Glenn Beck

I've been ignoring that slug for years.......

Oh Issa was complaining that the stimulous package gave money to the National Parks .. "Just paying to send kids to camp"..

For eight years, Bush has been slashing the budgets. The buildings and roads in the parks are a disaster. Yosemite needs a tram/rail system because the millions of cars each year are killing it. Those kids "going to camp" do a lot of reforestration after fires, litter cleanup, and construction.

Issa is another one who twists soundbites rather than actually analyzing the situation.

Jamie
Alternatives to desalination
http://studentwork.hss.uts.edu.au/oj1/swerve05/ryan_water/alternatives.htm

And this is a cheaper way to desalination
http://www.business.uq.edu.au/display/news/Enterprize+finalist+offers+cheaper+desalination+alternative

people are trying but it's hard to find things that work

Ping

George W Shrub and his pal Hanky Pank made us socialists all. I'm surprised at your knee jerk reaction. I thought you didn't like the Republicans in office and didn't think they were actually Republicans.

Limbaugh hated McCain and owes his current popularity to the failed Republican party --nothing to do with the Democrats.

Yes, bethyboo, the Repubs ARE talking AS IF they'd won the election.

They're such thugs and obstructionists. They live to be contrary.

Again, they had their way for EIGHT YEARS and look what they've done to the world.

I hope the Dems ride rough shod over them to get the Dems agenda passed which is clearly a more reasonable and humane one.

ACK!!

tt

Sturge, since you totally dropped the ball on promulgating the Bard's position on renewables...I'm going to micromanage and do your job for you. So here's the complete text of Feste's song from Twelfth Night.

(Link below the verse is a very nice YouTube video of Ben Kingsley's version of the song.)

When that I was and a little tiny boy,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
A foolish thing was but a toy,
For the rain it raineth every day.

But when I came to man’s estate,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
’Gainst knaves and thieves men shut their gate,
For the rain it raineth every day.

But when I came, alas! to wive,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
By swaggering could I never thrive,
For the rain it raineth every day.

But when I came unto my beds,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
With toss-pots still had drunken heads,
For the rain it raineth every day.

A great while ago the world begun,
With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
But that’s all one, our play is done,
And we’ll strive to please you every day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmeeqG_lE0

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Oh Solar
I've just caught up.I'm glad for you regarding the Bowflex and yes that's great product support.I hope that full workout went well,yes light weights to is the way to go for a bit.I would love to have a whole house Solar system but with the way property values are going here in Florida I hate to put much more into the home for now.I looked for Chloe also but my guess is she's busy with Emma Nicole..I haven't worked out in 3 days as I've have a cold and feel like S--t! I did however go to work and I've been laying here on the sofa ever since I got home..Lazy...Need to make something to eat but I think it will be a salad from the Dole bag with fresh tomato and some chicken on top for protein...What sounds good is Patsies peanut butter and Jelly with Maple syrup French Toast...HA

The Australian idea looks good, particularly if combined with wind or solar to produce the energy to make the water.

The water filtration system has several problems in that they haven't found a way to filter hormones and medications and any errors can end up with problems such as salmonella outbreaks which are hard enough to avoid in agricultural areas.

Jamie
I'm not on broad with reusing water. People here didn't like it when they wanted to just put treated water in the river ...yuck.

oops

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Yep Rush is a true drug addicted, multi married, trash talking representation of Republican family values.

Man, after today's House vote I hope Obama spends less energy on the Kumbaya front with the GOP.

Now he needs to just start pushing what he KNOWS is right -- not just what he thinks is palatable to both parties. This is where we'll see the real leadership test.

It will be interesting to see what he actually wants and how to get there -- as opposed to what just plays well.

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Patsi
Thanks for that piece by Robert Reich.It is so simple to see unions promote the best things life has to offer for middle class folks and many others.I have asked Ping and many Republicans how the American worker is better off in wages and medical benefits now that unionism is down to 8% and have yet to here one.Here's my favorite line from the piece and thanks again for thinking of me Patsi,your the Greatest!

"Unions matter in this equation. According to the Department of Labor, workers in unions earn 30% higher wages -- taking home $863 a week, compared with $663 for the typical nonunion worker -- and are 59% more likely to have employer-provided health insurance than their nonunion counterparts."

When hasn't Rush Limbaugh been the face of the GOP? Why is it so hard for the media to admit this simple fact? Rush speaks for the GOP. He speaks many of the impolitic fusillados that they all believe in, but would never say out loud although during the past eight years we have heard some pretty sick things coming out of the House Republicans...
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/limbaugh-face-gop

Rush Limbaugh...New Face of the GOP? Let's Hope So.
by voracious
Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 09:36:30 AM PST

With headlines daily heralding job losses in the thousands, I can still crack a smile. Chris Cillizza asks this questions of readers of The Fix: Is Rush Limbaugh the new Face of the GOP?

Maybe I'm still suffering from kool-aid bloat, but this is just another example of Barack Obama's strategic game. Rush has been "fished-in."

When Rush Limbaugh clearly stated that he was hoping for the Obama presidency to fail he placed every single Republican politician in an awkward situation.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/28/122048/032/571/689982

Sturge...I hope you know I'm just kidding about the alleged Twelfth Night fumble.

"Now he needs to just start pushing what he KNOWS is right -- not just what he thinks is palatable to both parties. This is where we'll see the real leadership test"

Lard
This is completely correct. I think President Obama will do just fine.I have been impressed with his willingness to go to the Republicans and seek their votes.Its a tough sell if I go by my Republican business partner and some of my Republican clients,they say no to Obama on everything,they suddenly have restraint where it comes to spending.What a joke......

Whatever. One of the wittiest commercials on TV right now is the Swiffer ad that has the old floor mop sending flowers, stalking in the front yard, etc., to win back the affections of the housewife that spurned him for the Swiffer.

All to the tune of: "Baby Come Back!"

Obama needs to be the Swiffer. Not the old, broken floor mop.

Lardmann........but of coors.........

Lardo

Had this discussion with the wife this morning. She thought it was important to look cooperative.
Where as I tend to ask "What would Lyndon do?"

I suspect with Lyndon Johnson either president or majority leader and the opposition played these games? lol

They would be taught a lesson. It would be a cold day before a Republican district got a dollar. Let them scream.

Jack

Sturge...I'm trying to rein in my asshole tendencies here. I wish I could achieve the inner peace that you have. Total respect from this direction.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194464

The whole idea of the gang who supported a multi billion dollar off budget war that bankrupted the country talking about "fiscal responsibility" would be hilarious if their destruction of the country weren't so abysmally sad.

I should have said...

"...Old, broken (House Dems) floor mop."

Patsi take note: All Republicans voted against President Barack Obama's spending plan. Of the Democrats, 11 voted against the measure. Among them: Allen Boyd, D-Fla., Bobby Bright, D-Ala., Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind., Parker Griffith, D-Ala., Paul Kanjorski, D-Penn., Frank M. Kratovil, D-Md., Walt Minnick, D-Idaho, John E. Peterson, D-Penn., Heath Shuler, D-N.C., and Gene Taylor, D-Miss.

Maybe these 11 renegades think their NAY vote is a ticket to the WH cocktail party tonight.

I had to run upstairs. What did Jessica Alba know about WW II that Bill O'Reilly did not?

Alicia -- Cooper is a jerk. He came out for Obama early, and now stabs him in theback.

LLIb... So what is your understanding of the breakdown of the Marketed Stimulus...
% Stimulus and when? % Pork % other ??

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194448
KCG - Please link the Knee Jerk Reaction?
Did I knee jerk - please show me...

Now he needs to just start pushing what he KNOWS is right - by Lardlib...

Please share - What does President Obama the Naïve neophyte know? Or is he just pushing his values.....

So what is the Gov portion of our GDP?

How much is the real %.... and impact?

I like what Craig said.. Lets get some good news..... Film at 11

Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | January 28, 2009 7:16 PM

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KGC.... That is knee jerk? It is a statement that Rush will grow or hold his ratings as the facts of this bill Part Stimulus part Social spending - will be the fuel as the American People (can you count on them as Dem's do not think they are capable --- ADD Moment) discover the facts of this bill.

I am not saying for or against;.... How can anyone as there is NO WAY to know what is in the Bill....

I will DEMAND from my congress representives to know did they understand or just JUMPING following the Piper...

Where is the MSM..... My God Man.... ABC News is starting to Question - but as they know a good Fantsyland when they see one
CQ is starting a little bit but no one other then Rush, Glenn (I do not listen to Hanity)

For you HRC people

Team Hillary is starting up a web site for her supporters, HRC is not involved. It is run by 2 of her long time aids.

http://www.nolimits.org/

Jack

" they did it because the measure didn't reflect the values of their districts. "

Cooper's old district was conservative....but Nashville isn't as much. Too many musicians here. He moved here specifically to run for Clements' seat in 2002. A lot of Dems questioned him -- but he had the one thing no other candidate in the primary had -- a deep pocket to personally pay for primary ads. However -- if he keeps this up.....

Rush is to the Republican Fascist Party what Joseph Goebbels was to the Nazi Party of Hitler.

A propagandist filled with Hate and Bigotry and he spouts the same crap that Goebbels used to denigrate and demean Jews.

Rush is just another low life piece of sh*t.

Anon- P So you listen to Rush.... Please share a SPECIFIC statement or point....

Please

No I don't listen to Rush if I can avoid it. However as you know there's only right wing radio in Orlando. In fact I believe that Rush at one time was on both WDBO and another channel at the same time at one time.

What I do hear on him is what is being spouted by the other right wingers on Orlando radio.

I guess you support him as well since you support Bush a known War Criminal by his own words.

The Republicans have Rape, Pillaged and Plundered Our Country for the last eight years and have brought Fascism to Our Shores.

Are you a Fascist Ping. I wouldn't have thought so from our meeting, but I have been wrong before about people.

Good night.

“Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.” - Rush Limbaugh

“The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down” Rush Limbaugh

“Bigot-A person who wins an argument with a liberal” -Rush Limbaugh

“Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along” - Rush Limbaugh

“They vote with their vaginas” -Rush Limbaugh

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Ping,

I put up one yesterday I think. A young black man was assaulted and painted white. Rush doing one of his "just joking folks" said, "turned him white ... he should be so lucky".

Every time he does one of those mean, smarmy, insulting, disgusting remarks ... he's always "just joking".

The man is a disgusting racist of the first order and deserves to be melted down and used for whale blubber.

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama vs World Leaders

"Because Obama is not eligible to be the President of the United States, ... Any and all agreements he makes gives foreign powers permission to deny them, rescind them or renege on them, far into the future."

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106972-0/

Speaking of disgusting racists, look who pops in.

What say you Ping thing?

veuve bleu
I can't forget when Rush's show was on TV years ago and he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton(maybe she was10 years old) with a little piggie in the bottom right corner of the screen,Disgusting.

First Rush declares himself an Entertainer.
Second - To quip a single statement out of context and the intent is a cheap shot at best.
As does Craig and other great writers and pundits (Which are few and far between) the use of Irony, thought and the complex elements appear at the surface as one intent but when understood disclose a much deeper and profound meaning.

What say you,,,,, Now who says that???
I seldom watch him.... but he is interesting.

Off to bed as Work is very critical time to stay ahead of those that want to destroy my world.... As i must act first and build the better Mouse trap.....

I challenge all to show this Bill as it is labeled - A PURE Economic Stimulus.... No Pork.... Why the lie?

If you want Social programs - then why Hide them and create a Crisis?

I ask my representative to explain his full and complete understanding - or is he just kissing up to the princess of the house.

Thank godness the Senate has a better balance

Check back in the AM

Best to All.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/the-first-seven-or-six-days.html#comment-194501

Of come on Ping. I think better of you than that. Virtually all of Rush is non stop attack, innuendo, mischaracterization and slander. Some of it is amusing satire, but that was written by someone else. Rush is just downright creepy.

I would hate to reclassify you into that group of dittoheads who just aren't paying attention.

The $800k amount -- Berg cases.

Undocumented? You are suddenly concerned about documentation? Why? Don't seem to care about any documentation from SoetorObama.

Orly Taitz wants to see:

- Certified copy of original long vault birth certificate
- Certified copies of any and all passports and passport applications held in the U.S., Indonesia, Great Britain and Kenya.
- Certified copies of any and all school applications, school registrations, grant or student loan applications or funding received for Occidental College, Columbia University, Columbia College, Harvard University
- Certified copies of any U.S. Port of Entry Records
- Certified copies of any documentation pertaining to Social Security. Documentation showing multiple social security numbers being held
- Certified copies of documentation showing a social security number being applied for in the state of Connecticut
- Certified copies of immigration and naturalization records
- Certified copies of any records showing legal name and name change. "

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/proof-of-service-to-us-attorney-patrick.html
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I'm sure you'll join Orly Taitz in her demand that these documents be made public. Right?

"... I don't give a damn about his BC. I told you that long ago and many other here have said the same."
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Some still care about THE CONSTITUTION.

PUMA

http://texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/constitution-puma.jpg

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