Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Panetta was not seeking the position, according to all reports - as recently as last month he told The Chronicle that he had no plans to leave his home in Carmel Valley, where he co-directs the Leon & Sylvia Panetta Institute for Public Policy.

"Kind of a mystifying pick, isn't it? ... There's no experience there that suggests he has any talent in the field of intelligence work," said Michael Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the CIA who once headed the agency's Osama bin Laden unit and is now a vocal critic of the organization.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/06/MN001542QO.DTL

There, for example, was a tanned and grinning Vice President-elect Joe Biden, who — oddly — was sworn in to a seventh Senate term, his new job notwithstanding. He'll resign from the Senate before he's sworn into higher office with President-elect Barack Obama at the end of the month, ending eight years of the Bush administration.

Biden brought the biggest Bible — an ancient, leather-bound volume about six inches thick that a spokeswoman said has been in the family since 1893.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/06/national/w111645S96.DTL&tsp=1

oy

" Agency officials were convinced that they could overthrow the Cuban dictator based upon their success in ousting hostile governments in Iran and Guatemala earlier in Eisenhower's presidency. "

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That Iranian thing didn't pan out over the long run, either.

Doh !

"What are you doing here?": man asks wife at brothel

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL0910395120080109

I like the Leon Panetta choice----he is a team player,,,,and he is on Obama's team,,,any more clinton people available,,,wonder if H. C. wanted Panetta?

Tony--Another excellent site to play around in

The Original Car Fuel

Biofuels have been around as long as cars have. At the start of the 20th century, Henry Ford planned to fuel his Model Ts with ethanol, and early diesel engines were shown to run on peanut oil.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/

Once again, Craig steps on my joke by starting a new thread. Not this time Mr. Crawford:

"Baloney Maker"

Isn't that the job Pat Buchanan had in the Nixon White House? . . . and Peggy Noonan working for Ronald Reagan?

Hey, Craig, back from the bookwriting dead?

I said yesterday that I thought Panetta was a pretty good pick. Competence over experience.

Hey, KC, from the last thread, I'll concede that Gupta is pretty mainstream - I think Obama is going to be prettty mainstream as well - moving of course toward a form of universal healthcare. I generally find his spots to be informational, medically speaking, and leaning toward preventive medicine - which has been the bailiwick of the SG - except over the past 8 years, of course, where the SG's bailiwick has been to shut the hell up. But Gupta is admittedly a pretty traditional doctor.

OK, Ed, I'll give you yer heheheh for the baloney maker joke. Bush has just hired hash makers.

I'm not impressed by the "vetting" done by the Obama team or their handling of the appointments.

Panetta seems like a hail mary appointment to me. Neither Rockefeller or Feinstein were even called to tell them about the choice let alone have a role in the selection.

Obama has done more to appease the goopers then indicate an appetite for real change.

Gupta does not support universal single payer health care

What an incredibly shallow analysis supporting such a profoundly important appointment.

If there was a good appointment for head of the Agency, it was the choice of Gen Hayden for that post. There you had an eminently qualified career intelligence general officer who was an Agency outsider while being a dedicated intelligence insider. That serving general officer repaired the incredible mess left by people with little on their side beyond political acumen and savvy.

Mark my words, this, in later years, will be seen as one of the poorest of Mr Obama's senior appointments.

Why am I not surprised some sycophants think Obama can do no wrong

does the "I don't give a crap what you think jig"

Joe Biden dares to disagree with the Obama platercaster from NYC

Biden: Not Notifying Top Sens. on Panetta Choice a 'Mistake'

By Paul Kane
Vice-president-elect Joseph Biden admitted today the Obama transition team made a "mistake" in not notifying top Senate officials of the selection of Leon Panetta as director of the Central Intelligence Agency, defending the former Clinton White House chief of staff as a nominee would take the CIA on "new path."

Biden told reporters in the Capitol that the Senate Intelligence Committee should have been consulted in advance of the Panetta nomination, which resulted in criticism from the panel's top Democrats. The incoming chair, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), and outgoing chairman, Sen. John "Jay" Rockefeller III (D-W. Va.), questioned the Panetta selection because of his lack of experience in the intelligence community.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2009/01/06/biden_not_notifying_top_sens_o.html#more

Obama platercaster from NYC..should read
Obama plastercaster from NYC

Thanks, Pogo

It's never good when you have to announce that you're about to tell a joke, but I didn't just want to repeat what I had at the end of the last thread without comment.

As for Panetta at CIA, why not? I hear what KGC is saying about appeasing the GOP, but I think that's a general statement and not necessarily directed at this appointment. Do we have a feel for how much involvement congressional committee chairs had on other appointments?

I haven't noticed any reference to it in the past few days, but wasn't George H.W. Bush once the CIA director? Not saying that appointment was good or bad either, just guessing that he went there as an outsider and a "political" appointment.

It's pretty much agreed that the CIA has had some colossal failures. Why reward any of the careerists who have been tied to that recent history?

Obama apologizes to Difi...dares to disagree with the plastercaster from NYC

Obama, Biden 'apologized profusely'
Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:14 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Obama WH Transition

From NBC’s Ken Strickland
Incoming Senate Intelligence Committee Chairperson Dianne Feinstein today said she's had a "substantial conversation" with President- and Vice President-elect Obama and Biden.

"They've apologized profusely," for not consulting with her before naming Leon Panetta as the nominee to head the CIA.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/01/06/1734937.aspx

KC, that doesn't surprise me at all - and who should a pick of an SG candidate who doesn't support universal single payer healthcare - which I think has less than the chance of a snowflake in hell of becoming the healthcare system in the US in the foreseeable future - surprise? Would it be better than what we have? In all likelihood. Is it likely? Not on your life.

Pogo
I think you are correct about the chances for universal single payer health care but only because that is the choice PEBO has made.

With the large lump of boomers moving into medicare and the inability of most businesses to pay for health care, this would be the perfect time to go for it but PEBO has elected to take a pass.

My fall back position is the Ron Wyden program
http://www.standtallforamerica.com/content/health_care_reform

"Gupta does not support universal single payer health care"

KGC---thank you---now Dr, Gupta doesn't look so good to me.

maybe blair house is where cheney has his ultra secret hideout.

I think our aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines should be commanded by talented business people with strong managerial skills.

Companies such as Chrysler can do wonderful things if they are owned by financiers rather than executives with an automotive background.

The crew chief should be the aircraft commander. After all, there's no one aboard who knows more about the nuts and bolts of the airplane than that individual.

Civilian appointees should decide the technical parameters of complex uniquely military endeavors.

etc

Wyden's plan sounds a lot like Obama's rhetoric on the issue. Considering the strength of the Health Insurance industry, I think anything is going to be a monumental fight.

Pogo
The health insurance dinosaurs should take their money and go home. They make a ton of money, Americans are less healthy and have less health care options...they are doing a heck of a job...is Brownie in charge?

Redneck Riviera?

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/01/redneck-play-station.html

"Why am I not surprised some sycophants think Obama can do no wrong"

does the "I don't give a crap what you think jig"

--- Funny---shuddering with laughter--

PEBO - Bryson? :-)

I'm taking a "wait and see" attitude toward all of Obama's appointments.....

I've heard both praise and criticism of Panetta from former CIA officers on CNN today.....

why would Obama pick someone who wants universal single payer healthcare when he himself has never advocated such a thing..... I myself am in favor of it ......but I think Pogo's 4:09 post is dead on.....

Hey, KC, I fought with the bastards for the 5 years I was GC for the local hospital - if you want someone to defend them, look to someone else 'cause it won't be me.

Ree - can't open that site, but the Redneck Riviera is part of my old stoping grounds - From Mobile (well, Gulf Shores) to Tampa - but the REAL RR is from Gulf Shores to Pensacola. Nicest beaches you'll see, but god help you if you go there in August - hot as hell and humid like you can't imagine - unless you've been there in August.

Solar,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/obamas-cia-choice-a-smart-move.html#comment-187238

Both made me chuckle - deeply.

"Redneck Riviera "

Flora-Bama....yes!

Flatus,

I get your point, but some will rise to the occasion and some won't. Presumably well regarded military people were running Walter Reed Hospital and looked right past the obvious problems that two good reporters exposed.

Panetta is said to be a bright guy, and I assume he brings talents to the job other than being the next Democrat in line for an appointment. I hope he'll lean on good deputies to keep ;the ship running.

Pogo----I mostly mind my own biz-----but I was having a very fine evening talking with Chloe----now he could have joined in and contributed ,,,but no---he had to try and make fun of me,,,,and the way that my fingers speak-when I post here ,,,,I don't like being f--ked with----if he was here he would know how I talk with my full fist, I haven't felt that way towards another human being in years----now Im just going to have fun with that fleahead,,

KC- you gotta go visit the Lulu's restaurant site (Jimmy Buffett's sister's place) and get the recipe for L.A. Caviar. You will love it. It is how I had my blackeyes this year.

Solar, I completely understand.

Sorry, I meant Patsi -

Better than search, here's a link.

http://blog.al.com/scenesource/2008/04/food_detective_lulus_signature.html

"I don't like being f--ked with----"

Ha! I love it Solar. What was that great movie where a group of National Guardsmen got lost in the swamps, and some Cajuns tried to kill them....finally there is a great scene where this Cajun stands on the side of the river and explains: "This swamp's our home. We don' like nobody f--- with us."

You bettcha!

My pal Texas Tom and I use to back up the tape and watch that scene several times in a row, laughing our butts off.

Patsi - that place has gotten more than a few of my bucks over the years. Between it and the Pink Pony Pub, it's a miracle I still have two nickels to rub together. Great bar.

Well, off to BB game. later.

pogo, that la caviar recipe looks like it could transpose my leftover hoppin john into a fair to midling dip... but do you think the bits of hog jowl will hurt it or give it just the right piquantness? and crisp hoe cakes in lieu of chips.

Good article about Jimmy Carter's presidency:

http://fe20.story.media.mud.yahoo.com/news/us/story/csm/20090105/cm_csm/yrodgers05

hoe cakes history and recipe:

"Originally, Native Americans cooked these on hot rocks in an open fire. They were commonly referred to as Ash Cakes. Later on, settlers from Europe adopted the recipe, cooking the cakes on the blades of their hoes in the fireplace. This is where they get the name, "Hoe Cakes".
http://hillbillyhousewife.com/hoecakes.htm

Just found the name of that swamp movie....it was Southern Comfort with Keith Carradine and Powers Boothe...the Natl. Guardsmen made the mistake of stealing boats from Cajuns.....

patsi, thanks... especially liked this from the link

"Carter was truly the prophet without honor in his own land on energy policy. Thirty years ago, he preached conservation and alternative energy. A profligate nation – not to mention Congress and the vested interests – ridiculed him. Today, his ideas are mainstream."

southern comfort music for the good times, patsi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sP5RJHuUBg

Patsi....
I read that article on Jimmy Carter this morning with my breakfast..... and I agree with it....

the Cajuns are my cousins....... no one should f**K with my cousins.....

"If you are an active member of the military and unwilling to be deployed under orders of illegitimate president Obama, contact me"

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/if-you-are-active-member-of-military.html

laissez les bons temps rouler?

No fear of any sophism coming for me. (last blog comment). Hell, I have had to bookmark Wiktionary just to read this blog lately.

Patsi, was that movie Southern Comfort?

This morning, while getting ready for work I heard Chuck Todd on MoJo say that he felt that Paterson would select Caroline K because he realizes that if he did that 100 million dollars would find it's way into the NY Dem. party for it's campaign in 2010. Now how is that different from Blago's play to play scheme?

"I think our aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines should be commanded by talented business people with strong managerial skills."

Flatus they are,
He is called the secretary of defense
I like the idea of civilian control especially over an agency that tends to engage in out of the box behavior.

Jack

"how is that different from Blago's pay to play scheme?"....

patd.... IMHO.... it isn't.... I honestly think that Blago pissed off someone in Chicago politics that he shouldn't have..... now they're making a scapegoat out of him.....

money influences politics..... whether you like it or not.... that IS our system....

Jack---just thinking about you and Animal-----just had my last garden tomato's Pickled like you told me to do----in the vinegar,,that was in the can of Jalapeno peppers----they came out great.

Patsi---Powers Booth ---always liked him----and thanks for that Carter link.

RR---you be one tough cousin,,,everything back to normal, with you and know who, who?

I dont think they would have picked Panetta unless there was a larger strategy in play here......there's some plan underway in which Panetta's role and scope are already clearly defined and I'd bet Panetta is just the man for the job ahead......or he wouldnt have taken it.......

Solar

I made a salad last night for supper and the wife told me one thing wasw wrong with it. "whats that I ask?"
"no home grown tomatoes," she said.

4th of july is a long ways off. I had my first mater july 3 last summer.

Home grown tomatoes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nitgmAInI18

BLM........baloney lettuce and 'mater

BLT........baloney lettuce and 'tater...............

http://seasonalpantry.blogspot.com/search?q=last+tomato

last tomatoes..still got a few left...
Although a lot of people make a big deal out of the first tomato of the season...I think it's the last tomato that is important

Yes, Carol -- Southern Comfort (I finally tracked it down) -- what a great and suspenseful movie!

Burris went to D.C. to be sworn in and got swore at instead? Kidding. He just didn't have his senator permission slip signed by the governor AND sec. of state. I blame Blago. Conan O'Brien joked last night that it was an emotional moment when the Obama family left their home in Chicago...and that Blagojevich had already sold Obama's house! Some doctor on CNN developed a formula on the aging of presidents. He looked at 191 factors. He said that presidents age 2 years for every 1 year of a regular person. He said the #1 reason was stress. Another one was the loss of friends, because you can't always hang out with the same people you usually hung out with before you become president.

Sturg I was going to say something like that about Panetta,,,but decided not too ,,,but they had to draw him into it with some thing other than the head of the CIA,,,,I do think that the big Dawg( B. C.) is behind some of these appointments???

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/obamas-cia-choice-a-smart-move.html#comment-187270

I hope you are right about Panetta. From the way the shut out the Intellegence committee there seems to be little trust of the committee by the Oama folks. It couldn't have been an accident.

Jack

photographs of old Fort Worth:

http://www.fortworthyesterday.com/

Another thing about Panetta is he is strong enough to handle a dirty job. The intellegence community is in a big mess and he will take hit from all sides before it is straightened out.

Jack

Huffopo the voice of PEBO apologists

Man are you good today.!!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/obamas-cia-choice-a-smart-move.html#comment-187281

Senor Pescado,

Well those photos brought back some great memories. Too bad the guy was such a crummy photographer and used such terrible equipment. Most almost look like cell phone cameras.

thanks for that. Some of those places are still standing and being used.

Solar....
Rick and I are fine.... we are getting a transfer switch for a generator hooked up tomorrow..... we are supposed to be getting another ice storm tomorrow also..... but the weather people keep claiming it won't be as bad as the last one..... I hope they're right...

and KGC is always good.....

well i finally found that old baloney pic from the Gold Dome in Charleston. Yum!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/craig_eats_baloney_sandwich.jpg

Has any one heard anything about this? Funds Tie Obama to Richardson Probe Figure!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I just felt a tingle go down my leg, when I heard that Matthews is not running.

RR

Thanks -- I raise my glass of old vine zin to you!

RR----You and Rick are made out of good stock,,,after all of this you might qualify how to write a book about survival, How Rick and I survived a mini ice age----good luck :-))) Yes KGC is always good,,,,just something a little extra today.

Yes KGC is always good,,,,just something a little extra today.

I had my escarole today!

That was a play on Matthews own words, about how he felt after hearing an Obama speech. I really don't think he would have much of a chance at winning here in Pa. after all the mean things he said about HRC.

It is all about religion-cont

The wailing Wall is more familiarly known by Muslims as the Buraq Wall. During this ascension night, some commentators assert, verse 44 of Sura 43 in the Qur'an was revealed (commentaries of Al-Khazin and Al-Nasafi). The ascent, according to tradition, was from a rock. About this rock there are many legends in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Sir John Maundeville gives a number of such legends in the account of his visit to Jerusalem around the year a.d.1848) In Islam, the tradition is that the Prophet, on the night of the ascensioj, Prayed on the ladder on his way up to heaven, the rock rose from its place and attempted to follow. The angel Gabriel stopped it, and it is said that the rock spoke at the time, as it spoke to the Caliiph 'Umar when he visited the spot after the surrender of Jerusalem to the Muslims. On the Day of Judgement, according to another tradition, the Ka'ba in Mecca will come to the Rock (Sakhra in Arabic). God's throne will then rest upon the Rock. Other legends or traditional stories about the Rock are still current among Muslims. They are inextricably interwoven with Jewish and Christian traditions, for further examples see Jerusalem by M. Join-Lambert, Elek, London, 1958, and also P 22 in A History of Jerusalem by J. Gray, Mentioned Previously. Such legends and stories are not peculiar to Islam. Indeed, they are universal, in all religions. I
would like to refer the skeptical reader, by way of illustration, to the story of Eljah ascending into heaven in a fiery chariot, the resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, and the revelation of St. John the Divine. There is also the passage in St. Matthew about Jesus talking with Moses and Elias , The true story of St. Iranius, bishop of Lyons in the second century, is similar to the Prophets ascension. All Islamic traditions and sacred writings point to the unmistakable fact that Jerusalem is holy for all Muslims, second only in holiness to Mecca and Medina. It is the first qibla and the third of the sacred cities. The only sanctuaries precedent to Al-Haram in Jerusalem are the Ka'ba in Mecca and the Haram (sanctuary) of Medina.

For all these religious reasons Jerusalem is holy to the Muslims,,,The names in Arabic, by which it is known by Arabs and Muslims, ia Al-Quds, Beit al-Maqdis, and A-Biet al Muqaddas-all of which derive from the triliteral root of QDS, which means 'holy' , sacred , or hallowed. Sometimes Jerusalem is called also Al-Quds al -Sharif---the Noble, Jerusalem , The word 'sharif', noble, is normally added to the nades of exceptionally sacred shrines. Thus Al-Haram, where Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock stand, is called Al-Haram al-sharif. The Islam believes in Judaism and Christianity, and regards their founders, such as Moses, David, Solomon, and Jesus as prophets, , equal to Muhammad . In the Qur'an, there are no fewer than 8 chapters bearing names of Hebrew prophets and having Hebrew associations. Davis and Solomon alone are mentioned no fewer than 33 times in the Qur'an. In the whole of the New Testament, these two names are not mentioned more than 30 times, the share of Solomon being only 8 as against 17 in the Qur'an . The belief of Christians is not to be taken (in the old testament) as a detraction from the sanctity of the New Testament. Sir C. M. Watson in his book The Story of Jerusalem, London, 1912, P. 256), that the Muslims took away a place called The Tomb of David from the Christians for the following reasons. “The Jews have many times begged the Sultlan to give them that plale, that they may make an oratoru of it, and they g=beg it of him even to this day, while the Christians always refused to them. So at last the Sultan inquired wherefore this place was holy. When he was told that David and the other kings of Jerusalem of his seed were buried there,he: “We Saraacens also count David holy, even as the Christians and the Jews do, and we believe the Bible as they do. Wherefore, neither the Christians nor the Jews shall have that place, but we will take it for ourselves.” Felix Fabri, a Dominican Father from Germany, visited Palestine in 1480 and 1483. Palestine was then under the Mamluk Sultans of Egypt.

See? That's the thing, Solar; it's not about religion at all.

Something fun to watch. Hillary and Palin on the campaign trail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCCdGZod3UM&feature=related

Hey Lampe, Happy New Year, how you doing? Got a link on that probe?

"Mark my words, this, in later years, will be seen as one of the poorest of Mr Obama's senior appointments."

Posted by: Flatus | January 6, 2009 4:00 PM

You're on Flatus, I'm marking em and will be interesting to watch.

ABC News is reporting: Financial records show Obama Campaign got more than $30,000 from california Financier David Rubin, the target of an investigation into donations and possible "Pay-To-Play" deals involving New Mexico gov. Bill Richardson.

Dr. Gupta -
He may not be where our dear Ms. Cracker is on health care. (By the way, Ms. Cracker may have fought in the hills with Fidel and Che'. )
He's a smart guy, and if the bird flu lands in Sitka , I want him running the fight.

Leon Panetta -
I'm going with Rachel Maddow on this one. Leon founded a think tank, he didn't become a corporate pimp.

He's another smart person.

Panetta is a back-stabber -- ask Gore. You probably don't know what I'm referring to.

" The only overnight visitor at the presidential guest manse is none other than John Howard, a former Australian prime minister and leading member of President Bush's coalition of the willing in Iraq. "

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2009/01/06/blair_house_mystery_solved_its.html?hpid=topnews

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John Howard -
Bush's carbon based Australian dildo.

Gordo -
Gore doesn't answer my emails.

Yes Paul Krugman and I were with Che

Paul Krugman | New York Times Blog
January 6, 2009, 4:44 pm
The trouble with Sanjay Gupta
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/the-trouble-with-sanjay-gupta/

Another sign of the times.

ALBANY, N.Y. -- Electronic unemployment filing systems have crashed in at least three states in recent days amid an unprecedented crush of thousands of newly jobless Americans seeking benefits, and other states were adjusting their systems to avoid being next.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110ap_unemployment_glitches.html

Katherine Graham Cracker my favorite online commie.

Martin v. Lingle: Letter to HI Deputy AG: “Judge should be recused”

"The judge seems to be acting and lead counsel in the cover-up of Obama’s birth certificate and raising issues that you have failed to raise or waived. In other words, the judge is not acting as a judge; he is acting as an “activist seeking combat” and trying to act proactively to feed you objections. That is not the proper role of a judicial officer.

When a judge says he is protecting the “privacy” rights of the president-elect of the United States, who has waived any privacy by posting a facsimile of the document on the Internet, the judge is making a joke of the judicial function and trivializing a good faith effort to invoke Hawai’i law."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2575

The Dec. Jobs report is going to shock the the crap out of everyone.

A closer look at Apple's advanced notebook battery tech

The new 17" MacBook Pro claims an industry leading 8 hours of battery life, thanks to a series of innovations Apple highlighted in the new notebook's introduction. Even so, many of the advancements are not actually new, but rather the product of Apple's incremental engineering efforts to increase its notebooks' usability and desirability by thinking differently.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/06/a_closer_look_at_apples_advanced_notebook_battery_tech.html

"The trouble with Sanjay Gupta
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/the-trouble-with-sanjay-gupta/"

Thanks for that link, KGC. It was amazing to read a message board where you can question the coming administration without being called names.

Mule saves woman's life.......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_fe_st/odd_mule_alarm

Hey Sturge, Another reason to have a mule around. I'm still looking for a mule to have a good chat with!

you cant go wrong with Mulechat..........lol

That's what i hear. Didn't see you around for a while during the wee hours. Did you play out much for the holidays?

just new year's eve and couple of parties.....I dont get around much anymore.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRA75x1Ud3Y

lots of depression out there.........

hmmm.......hadnt seen this before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwU9kJdQ6RI&feature=related

Thanks, good tune to start the day with! Isn't this your area's season ? Things are slower than molasses here, but they always are Jan- March. I've taken to the net to increase business as it is non existent here- not 1 customer in the shop Sat. Got a national email campaign going today, got my fingers crossed. Gotta keep this boat afloat.

jees, did you notice the last post on Paul's tune. I thought it sounded good to me.

I seldom read posts on those things.....sometimes to see if I can find the name of a particular sideman or whatnot.....I wouldnt be surprised to find that the lads were playing that song at the Hamburg gig..............I'm sure Mac could've played a really creditable imitation of Duke had he wished....pipples take that stuff much too seriously.......

Yeah they do, the reason I often avoid music conversation. Always found lots of criticism and attitude. I like most music , but I hate to admit some of the stuff (don't even know what its called ) my kids play just gives me a headache. It scares me to say that- reminds me of what my Da said about The Who!

Don't forget Craig will be on Imus this morning at 6:30

it wouldnt be such sweet music if it didnt drive your parents nuts......(so I hear)........the funny thing is the parents usually make a good point................

does that mean that music is getting progressively worse from generation to generation? lol

Lol, could be, you might have something! My Dad loved the Beatles, use to love going into his art studio-he always had the album with "Here Comes The Sun" playing. He often played The Clancy Bros. as well- which never seemed like painting muse sort of music to me, but it worked for him.

They work up a thirst for me.

Look at old Ev-lis......at first he was a sideshow caricature of Sinatra but had much the same effect on the sensibilities of many of the young ladies of his generation.........then the beatles did that hair-do thing and had the same effect again........funny thing that music stuff..........i hear that Liszt was all the rage, once upon a time.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVnDugqVjsM

ringo starr as pope in lisztomania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjkIutogNI

Wow, thanks Sturge, having a wonderful morning -the winds blowing and I've got both stoves going here glowing in the dark and Sturge's musical revue.