Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

That's great to hear you will be on Imus in the Morning you know Sid is going to be reporting in tomorrow too Right?

Meantime two more I Favs have a problem with the Blagojevich Impeachment.

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/01/blagojevich-impeachment-neil-cavuto.html

Looks like the idea of striking a deal with the GOP is getting more and more remote. This Politico story just posted said Obama got his hand pretty much slapped in today's meetings on the Hill.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18033.html

The Republicans just amaze me with their BS. All this talk about tax cuts for small business -- well, as an independent contractor I consider myself a small business. Yet I saw no big break in my taxes under the R's.

I think it's an extremely interesting dance that's going on, Patsi. It's all about the next election, and who will have what leverage in which direction. If Obama had succeeded in getting the GOP on board, it would have been win-win for him and lose-lose for them...whether the stimulus succeeded or failed.

Now, since they've wisely chosen the only course that can potentially give them any future leverage -- which is opposition -- it's just a straight up bet. If the stimulus works, Obama can beat the hell out of the GOP with that fact in 2010. If the stimulus flops, they get to kick the crap out of him at the polls.

Bush met with the Dem leaders exactly twice in 8 years. Obama has now tied that record in the first week.

Home Prices drop 18.2% in November

Ree,

Are you the writer of "You have to be this tall"?

I friggin' love this news story...hilarious! --

"Whiskey has ruined lives, but few credit the strong stuff for saving them. Since we often praise the elixir for its benefits, it was wonderful to hear of a British man who survived on whiskey after being trapped under his sofa for two-and-a-half days.

Joe Galliott from Yeovil, in the U.K., says he tripped over a telephone cord and fell on a sofa, collapsing the seating and pinning him face-down. Galliott has a back problem and was unable to get up, so he found himself without food or water for 60 hours. He could, however, reach a bottle of whiskey that had fallen in the incident.

"I could not crawl and the phone was out of reach. I didn't have the strength to shift anything," said Galliott. "I never had anything to drink except from the bottle of whiskey." Galliott was finally rescued when a neighbor's grandson stopped by to check in on him."

Jack's mention of Bangladesh on the last thread, and how it's shining example of a better world ..............
Some facts from just 14 months ago.

Cyclone Sidr (JTWC designation: 06B, also known as Very Severe Cyclonic Storm Sidr) was the strongest named cyclone in the Bay of Bengal. The fourth named storm of the 2007 North Indian Ocean cyclone season, Sidr formed in the central Bay of Bengal, and quickly strengthened to reach peak 1-minute sustained winds of 260 km/h (160 mp/h), which would make it a Category-5 equivalent tropical cyclone on the Saffir-Simpson Scale.[1] The storm eventually made landfall in Bangladesh on November 15, 2007. The storm caused large-scale evacuations here. [2] 3,447 deaths were blamed on the storm.[3]
Sidr may be the strongest cyclone to hit the country since a cyclone killed over 143,000 Bangladeshis in 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Sidr
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One of the main predictions of Climate Change is that the world's oceans will produce more intense cyclones. I'd say a cat 5 in the Bay Begal fits the bill. That same season, I watched a cyclone form in the Bay of Bengal, cross the entire Indian sub continent , get back into the waters of the Arabian Sea, and crash into Pakistan. It killed every farm animal in the southern 3rd of the country.

Give a little? Isn't that a Dean Martin song?

Jamie- Here is the link to the preferable wind project
http://bluehgroup.com/

Cbob- No they won't be paying taxes, in fact we the taxpayers will be paying them millions in state and federal subsidies each year. They have spent over 40 million dollars trying to get this through. You can bet they'll be recouping that from the locals as well.
I sense a bit of resentment in your statement regarding Teddy's sailboat. Not sure why as you seem to be quite green. Would think that you would appreciate people that use boats that don't require fuel other than the wind. They do often turn on engines to get in and out of harbors for ease safety and level of ability. It is not just a sport for the well heeled. I have 2 boats yet live below the poverty level for the size of my household. My children all sail. It is a sport which requires strength etc. so often one can pick up a used sailboat from a sad old tar who just can't sail anymore. As people who live on mountains generally like to hike , ski etc., people who live by the water enjoy being on the water . Love of the water is really the one common denominator the residents have. Our lives revolve around it in many ways. Do you recall Teddy's desire after his collapse just to get back on the water, to the Fagawi? It is a nearly 40 year regatta which also raises much money for local charities. My daughter by the way came in first in her class this summer. That tradition will be history. Please don't begrudge us the use of the water.

Pollution obviously effects the water and state regs. regarding septic, runoff , have all been updated and more has to be done. As the enlightened custodians of our beautiful sound, I doubt anyone wants to preserve her health more than the residents as we all want to save her for future generations. To say that the course on Nantucket has more negative impact than the turbines is going overboard. The regulations of Golf courses close to water have also changed and use green methods now. I can get more info regarding golf course if you would like. Squid spawn out there and it is one of the few spawning areas left. Birds migrate through there. This vast project will have negative impact on the fish and birds during its construction and use in a number of ways. In addition the Coast Guard has already stated that they won't be able to make helicopter rescues there any longer. By the way, truth is the wind is spotty . Boats don't move when the wind doesn't blow. So I guess on those days Teddy is home waiting for the wind to pick up.

Pogo- I too am a proponent of wind power , the difference is that I don't support it blindly- the good should outweigh the bad. Sorry, poor comparison, wind turbines in the water can't be placed on a par with those on mountains.

Flatus- this is not a case of NIMBY. Cape Wind is a poorly placed project and I wholly support a project on the south side of the Vineyard. This is a grassroots movement against this project and we are up against a miserable corporation that sole motive is money.

Old Sea -
Good post , I'm not pickin' a fight.

CBob...
what a wonderful thing you are doing for your friend..... here's your "Atta Boy!"

"we are up against a miserable corporation that sole motive is money."
OSH.... is there any other kind of corporation.... I have read all your posts on this subject..... I wish you and the residents of the Vineyard much luck in your fight.....

Craig.... I find all this screaming that Republicans are obstructionists amusing.... all of the Democrats (and a few of us Independents, myself included) on this blog were apoplectic over Democratic Senators daring to vote with Republicans for any of Bush's plans.... we wanted them to be obstructionists.... we wanted them to show a backbone and be an opposing party.... the Republicans are now showing us how it's actually done....

http://savagepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/obamacover.jpg

"...readiness to compromise, which is often the wise path to victory. " Yep! The very thing that eluded BushCo.

There be ice in Dallas.

tt

More cowbell gordo, more cowbell.

Here's the deal, Gordo....the President is doing a bang-up job as far as I can tell. I don't give a flip if he was born on Mars.

Cape Wind Can Start Leading the Way for Offshore Wind Power
Monday, January 26, 2009
By Natural Resources Defense Council President Frances Beinecke:

Two summers ago, I took a tour of a large-scale wind farm off the coast of Denmark. After the boat docked in the charming, tourist town of Nysted, I asked the mayor Lennart Damsbo-Andersen, what impact the nearby turbines had on the beach community. The mayor explained that when the wind farm was first announced, residents were very concerned about what the wind farm would do the town's charm and livelihood. But now, "We look back and wonder what we were so worried about."
http://www.capewind.org/news947.htm

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/hatch_dees.jpg

I guess Robert Reich has stopped having comments posted on his blog.

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

His, "An Open Letter to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michelle Malkin" was mentioned by KO last night.

tt

Tweety is back on Hairball promoting the idea that Obama's tax cuts favor people who don't even pay taxes, instead of people who "actually work."

Tweety is a complete a-hole.

Cbob- How charming. I'm sure you'll find a lot of bunk on their site. Like Vineyard supporters. Doubt they'll mention that their technology is outdated and that deep wind has no impact on the ocean floor or fish. Theirs is just a watery version of paving paradise to put up a parking lot.

CBob- Aren't you at least a bit suspicious when Bush gets involved and tries to push it all through on his last day in office?

Obama faces tough choice on Cape Cod wind farm

During the campaign, Obama had expressed strong support for wind power and indicated he wanted to double renewable energy production over the next three years. But deciding the fate of Cape Wind would force him to choose sides among friends and political allies. Patrick campaigned for Obama. Kennedy, despite being stricken with a brain tumor, is a critical backer of Obama's agenda, including health care reform.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iynzQewvfjpZVZhSlaj5eMCohGXAD95V13SO0

This test is more interesting than what Obama faces from the Republicans.

He ought to choose wisely. Kennedy is loved and admired by most of his constituents. I doubt Deval Patrick has a long career as governor, many of those who voted for him would like their vote back.

If you build it, they will come.

The more I watch President Obama, the more impressed I am with his demeanor, intellect, steadfastness, commitment to make the USA and the world a better place and trying through all of that to work together with those who would traditionally oppose him. He has indeed woken up the under-represented "sleeping giant" in the USA. people who have never voted, voted this time. People ARE being helped and he will move to help more people to regain a stable footing and a job to put food on their plates.

I wish the new President much success in his tenure as our leader.

Right Champ , not in this case though. It will also adversely affect our tourism on which our economy is based.

Old sea -
Actually I found far more bunk on the opposition's site. But I just started looking this one.
I do know this as long as we each are split into groups and factions, we drift, and that does no one any good.

Have at it Cbob. I rather doubt that you'll find more bunk on the oppositions site, but know Bush would be happy to hear you say that. But I'm sure with 40 million dollars you can make most anything look good.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/brods-oprah-gambit.html#comment-193924

(d) This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the executive branch and is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 3. Effective Date and Applicability. This order is effective upon issuance and is applicable to individuals newly appointed to excepted service positions or hired as contractor employees beginning 90 days from the effective date of this order.
George W. Bush
The White House,
January 16, 2009.

Old Sea -
Don't you think tourists will come to see the thing ?

Why, do tourists flock to see oil rigs?

“Union of Concerned Scientists believes that Cape Wind Associates has proposed a project that will be highly beneficial both economically and environmentally to Massachusetts citizens at a time when we most need clean, secure, diverse, and affordable energy sources. As proposed, the Proponent has also designed the project in such a way as to minimize the potential impacts on the local environs.”

Deborah Donovan
Clean Energy Research Coordinator
Union of Concerned Scientists
Cambridge, MA

New Englanders prefer the seashore and looking out at the horizon with the boats going back and forth.

You can find all sorts of people paid by them for their accolades. Do you understand that this is smack dab in the middle of the Sound, with 2 islands and the Cape surrounding it? "also designed the project in such a way as to minimize the potential impacts on the local environs.”- this statement is a pitiful joke.

I have told you that another proposed project is off the coast of MV which NO ONE is against, even though we all know our electrical costs will rise with that as well. Why one even argue for this sort of project when the same thing can be accomplished without drilling into the floor and in a less controversial spot with more wind is beyond me.

More of the same Cbob. not impressed.

Hope the Republicans work with our new President. Its time.

Give a little and Gain a lot - of Short term flash in the pan !!!!
Stop the madness! Stop mixing Social with Fiscal policy.

CRAIG - you should be the first to right about not only Sustainable Energy - But Sustainable Economic Stimulus.

The neophyte must be controlled

Here, I posted this for Jamie, Why don't you check it out, You might actually learn something of value there
.http://bluehgroup.com/

That would be write - as right is not

Rock Port, Missouri, First 100 Percent Wind-powered Community In U.S.

ScienceDaily (July 16, 2008) — Rock Port Missouri, with a population of just over 1,300 residents, has announced that it is the first 100% wind powered community in the United States. Four wind turbines supply all the electricity for the small town.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715165441.htm

"People who don't pay taxes live week to week. Virtually every dime they get moves right back into the economy."

Exactly -- plus they pay taxes every time they turn around. Groceries, gas, utilities, vehicles, you name it.

John Campbell ... don't give money to people who don't pay taxes. Funny the Republicans loved the idea when Reagan came up with the Earned Income Tax Credit and it has been keeping single women with children off welfare and in the workforce ever since.

I wonder why it is a bad idea when proposed by a Democrat to help people stay above the poverty line and off assistance?

Re: the wind farm-

yes it's ugly, but would you prefer this?

http://blog.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/2008/02/_602218715062007.jpg

I doubt whoever is running it would be any more benevolent than any other energy services company, but they would employ people. What community doesn't need jobs these days?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/give-a-little-and-gain-a-lot.html#comment-194022

OSH, I think you posted that link awhile back. Actually I tend to be on your side. The people who live somewhere full time usually know their area best. I would find the Cape Wind project more acceptable if there had actually been some form of balanced competitive presentation rather than just a sort of fiat by politicos.

Patsi..Chris Matthews doesn't understand that many who pay no imcome taxes, actually pay a higher proportion of their income in other taxes than the wealthy do in total. He iw not a very bright man.

Old Sea -

I figured as much, I knew you were dug in on this . Let's hope the people of West Virgina don't feel the same way, after all it's their soot, sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, and mercury landing on the Cape when it rains.

OSH

Cape Wind is an American company. Bluegroup is a British firm. From that standpoint I can understand the preference. Why is Cape Wind insisting on a site so close to land rather than deep water like Bluegroup?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/give-a-little-and-gain-a-lot.html#comment-194031

Champ, No new nuclear plant has been built in over two decades. No firm can take on the risk without government assistance, since the eensy teensy problem of how to keep the leftovers from killing people hasn't been solved and suits just naturally spring up like dandelions.

Time to escape with Selma and Patti.

I was just making the point that most if not all forms of power generation are ugly. Lake Mead is cool.

Don't tell me that Green Peace sold out.

Champ -
There's 5,000 turbines on the Tehachapi pass in Calf. It's one of the most amazing places you'll ever see.

I've been there, and they're ugly. Worth the trade-off in my opinion, though. They should run them up and down our entire coastline.

How about turbines in the wasted space of cloverleaf intersections or in the median strips of interstate highways.

Put a wind turbine in front of Keith Olbermann. Energy crisis solved!

Champ,

Agreed. And, esthetics are important.

The vertical vanes tend to be less obnoxious than the big props. I am told that they are also cheaper to build, take less space, and less maintenance.

The Far West has a nearly unlimited supply of pure, clean, geothermal power for heating homes, moving electric autos, trucks, trolleys, and buses, lighting buildings and streets, and powering phone and e communications. It is also ugly, but at least it doesn't kill birds,exerminate salmon.

The Southwest is also wealthy in clean, pure, solar energy, that could help boost power during the peak demand. We could replace unsightly billboards with unsightly collectors.

Or how about on Otis Air Force Base,in Mashpee. No one can use the land there because the Government has polluted it so much the neighbors can't drink the water safely and they have a high concentration of cancer.

Jamie, I don't know why. I've been following this through so many ins and outs over the last seven years and never once saw them make any real changes. Guess they don't own that technology?

Sea,,,,,stick to your guns,,,,,I believe that wind and Solar is the way to go ,,,,,but in a more deliberate way,,,there are going to be a lot of scams from companies that are already seeing a diff way how to fleece customers,,,I do believe that C-Bob is correct ,,,but in the right locations

Champ 'rules' on the Olbermann comment....:-) And could we create a list of others to help with that! Wind and solar power are the way to go for our present and our future.

Love to see those trades on there Cbob- wonder what have they been promised. There are a hell of a lot more Drs in Woods Hole than those listed. You aren't listening anyways, you just keep on posting their shit, sorry you are being so ignorant about this. Here's a list of real people and groups that don't support it.Stakeholders

Elected Officials and Organizations Concerned with Cape Wind

Elected Officials
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
Congressman William Delahunt
State Senate President Therese Murray
State Senator Robert O’Leary

State Representative
Demetrius Atsalis
State Representative Eric Turkington
State Representative Cleon Turner

Towns and Counties
Barnstable County Assembly of Delegates
County of Nantucket
Town of Barnstable
Town of Chatham
Town of Chilmark
Town of Edgartown
Town of Mashpee
Town of Nantucket
Town of Oak Bluffs
Town of Yarmouth

Tribal Nations
Mashpee Wampanoag Tribal Council

Tourism & Business Organizations
Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce
Chatham Chamber of Commerce
Harwich Chamber of Commerce
Hyannis Area Chamber of Commerce
Martha’s Vineyard Chamber of Commerce
Nantucket Chamber of Commerce
Yarmouth Area Chamber of Commerce

Environmental Organizations
Barnstable Land Trust
International Wildlife Coalition
Oceans Public Trust Initiative
Pegasus Foundation
Save Popponesset Bay
Three Bays Preservation

Boating Safety and Navigation
Cape & Islands Harbormasters Association
Hy-Line Cruises
Passenger Vessel Association of America
The Steamship Authority

Air Safety
Barnstable Municipal Airport Commission
Island Airlines
Martha’s Vineyard Airport
Nantucket Airport Commission

Commercial Fishing Groups
Cape Cod Marine Trades Association
Edgartown Charter Fishing Association
Edgartown Shellfish Organization
Massachusetts Marine Trades Association
Massachusetts Fishermen’s Partnership, representing:

Boston Harbor Lobstermen’s Cooperative
Cape Cod Commercial Hook Fishermen’s Association
Commercial Anglers Association
General Category Tuna Association
Gloucester Fishermen’s Association
Gloucester Fishermen’s Wives Association
Marshfield Commercial Fishermen’s Association
Massachusetts Commercial Fishermen’s Association
Mass Bay Inshore Commercial Fishermen’s Association
Massachusetts Lobstermen’s Association
New Bedford Seafood Coalition
New England Fish Exchange
Northeast Seafood Coalition
North Shore Community Tuna Association
Pigeon Cove Fishermen’s Co-Operative
Plymouth Lobstermen’s Association
Provincetown Fishermen’s Association
South Shore Lobstermen’s Association
Groups Promoting Comprehensive Management of Offshore Wind Projects

Towns and Organizations
Association to Preserve Cape Cod
Coalition for Buzzards Bay
Humane Society of the United States
Nantucket Planning & Economic Development Commission
Sippewissett Association
Town of Chatham
Town of Mashpee
Town of Tisbury

Recreational Fishing & Boating Groups
Bass River Rod & Gun Club
Bass River Yacht Club
Coastal Conservation Association (MA Chapter)
Crosby Yacht Yards
Falmouth Rod & Gun Club
Hyannis Anglers Club
Hyannis Marina
Hyannis Yacht Club
Massachusetts Boating and Yacht Clubs Association (80 member clubs)
Osterville Anglers Club
Oyster Harbors Marine
Recreational Fishing Alliance
Waquoit Bay Yacht Club

Civic and Recreation
CBA/Christian Camp Meeting Association Beach
Cotuit Civic Association
Hyannis Civic Association
Osterville Village Association
Wianno Club

solar and wind turbine--for under $200.00

this guy was on television,,,,

Homemadeenergy.org,,,,,,pretty interesting,I will be building homes that will have an R35-40 rating,,,,and will save 75-80 % of existing energy bills,,,,,this is another way to start saving energy,,,,,and incorporate it into rehabs,,and all new buildings here is a picture of one in Chicago--we have up to six type of houses ready to go,,,,and already approved for building,,,it;s the house in the middle,,,,there are a lot of factory's and big box stores already built also. hope that you can magnify...

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=160120301200001529ntalmso0.jpg

Why I love BBC News. Nice long tribute piece to John Updike.

One more thing Cbob

"I would find the Cape Wind project more acceptable if there had actually been some form of balanced competitive presentation rather than just a sort of fiat by politicos."
I've already explained that this is grassroots movement and am truly sorry we don't have millions of dollars to combat their 40 million and come up with a better presentation and less prejudiced studies.

Animal

That is the house that I started to tell you about,,,,,no foundation on the 2-3 foot wide footings,,,,built like a bears cave from 4-5 ft into the earth,,,and with a 8 inch insulated wall ,,,,shot crete on the inside and the outside,,,,like when we build swimming pools,,,,,any form any color,,,sorta like dryvit....pretty cool,,,,,also,,,these are affordable houses that will put a lot on families into a home,,,that they can afford,,,,if they can pay 7-9 hundred for rent they can afford this 2 bath one story home,,,small but (1200 sq ft.)

P.s they are also going to be solar passive,,,with (if they can afford) solar panels

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/give-a-little-and-gain-a-lot.html#comment-194051

O'Reily and Olbermann together would reach hurricane proportions. Add in Rush and you have tornados spinning off the main blow.

The long post's are back---I love it,,,going to start working on one,,,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/give-a-little-and-gain-a-lot.html#comment-194055

OSH, I wasn't thinking of the natives such as yourself. Rather a competitive company and design that could be evaluated by all parties and come to a solution that was acceptable to all.

oldseahag and Louis,

When you talk fish, you make my blood boil. The oceans - once thought to produce an unlimited supply of food - are going extinct.

Also, why not harvest methane from all the feedlots, landfills, and city sewage systems in the East ? All that gas is going into the biosphere anyway, it might as well go after it's been burned for heat, light, and communication.

Long list of companies and organizations from CBob about the cape wind project not a long post.

Sorry for the long post. but Cbob knows the rules, knows I have seen their site and posted their list instead of linking to it. Why? I guess to impress you all with a long list. So for the Sound I too broke the rule. Notice the list of those opposed includes every town surrounding the Sound and the Wampanoag Tribe. Not just a bunch of fictional and or national groups that will support it unconditionally simply because it is wind power. He forgot to add GEORGE W. BUSH to the list of supporters.

Sea

I was just kidding the long post's have never gone away,,,,,and never will,,,you son Luis sounds like an impressive fellow,,,good job

Xrepublican-If your blood is boiling it is due to poor reading comprehension. My son knows that the oceans are collapsing, far more than you know . He studies sharks and the effects of the environment on their behavior with one of the leading shark guys in the world.

Solar- thanks, he is a good kid. When he isn't teaching or studying birds or sharks he fixes up old computers and gives them to kids on the island that don't have one, at least a couple a month.

Put a solar panel in front of me. Energy crisis solved!

Solar, I remember something of that nature in 1979-1980 in the southwest USA and a type of wire about the size of chicken wire was used as the reinforcing and shaping agent. Interior walls were curved to mimic arch thrusts. What I'm describing seemed like something Pier Luigi Nervi initiated in the 1930's (for huge massive structures) called ferrocemento (because of its lightness and strength) but in this case it was applied to habitats rather than industrial projects.
That was before I was even aware of R-factors. These houses were built on the thermal storage principle since most of the structure was below ground and the exterior walls were minimum 8 to 12 inches of sprayed concrete but the interior walls were not as thick. The exterior looked like the top of spheres rising out of the ground. Always intrigued me but not feasible in DC.

Animal

Similar,,,but these have only about 1-1/2 inches of crete on either side,,,,8 inches in the middle,,,will tell you more when I can,,,still in some negotiations ,,,,they windows , doors ,,, air cond,,, are all part of the whole,,,,I hope that this get off the ground,,,,there are lot of vacant land that is out there,,,,,while everyone is looking at wind powered turbines ( and they should) I will be concentrating on the ones that don't have homes,,,,,,not going to make a ton of cash,,,,but will be happy doing what I love to do

Sea

You are right on with your slow but sure approach to wind power,,,,remember ,,,,don't ask what it is (a pretty name) ask what does it do?

Jamie and Patsi for Treas. Sec'y and Fed Head.

Of course, it makes the most sense to put the stimulus bucks into the the pockets of the people who will immediately run those $$ through the economy. It would also pay to strain that money through their mortgage banks, as opposed to bypassing them and giving it carte blance to the latter. These are no brainers, Macro 101.

As to a mechanism that favors Americans - a good deal of our difficulty stems from republicans subsidizing businesses to close domestic plants and move production off-shore. This is elementary stuff, and even morons like ben stein and charlie grassley should know better.

It might also be a good idea to take a page from WWII and seize businesses that 'trade with the enemy.' Feds shut down Agriprocessors during a raid by the INS that rounded up a couple hundred illegal aliens. They could have done the same to WalMart 2 1/2 years earlier, when they found the company had recruited employees in Mexico, smuggled them across the border, and paid them sub minimum wages to do the night cleaning and stocking in more than three hundred stores. Iow, stimulating the economy also entails putting a little energy into making sure the paychecks go to people who live, pay taxes, and invest here in America.

Also, ala CAFE standards, how about a special 5% tax (or some other %) on retail chains whose merchandise is not at least 50% (or some other figure) American made ?

Animal

I forgot there is rebar in the middle of the 8 inch insulation,,,for structural integrity,,,this will allow us to go up more that 2-3 floors high,,,,the outside will be molded to any design that we can imagine,,,,the insulation takes the form of expensive marble,,,masonry etc,,,,then the shotcrete

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/give-a-little-and-gain-a-lot.html#comment-194067

Champ...I'm with you on this one. I'm thinking if I can somehow arrange to get a windfarm-generated blowjob in a solar-powered suntanning parlor, I'll qualify for all kinds of federal tax credits.

Solar,
Sounds nice, hope it works out at least as well as you imagine. The sky's the limit!

I hope that everyone here is snuggling in with a warm beverage to watch Rachel Maddow deal firsthand with Blagowouelf. It should be the best thing on TV tonite. Starts in 10 minutes!

oldseahag,

Apparently, due to this reading comprehension problem you wrote about, you missed the point that I now oppose the Cape Cod fans, thanks to the points your son Louis made. Before, I wrongly assumed that the politically powerful effete-aesthete-lobster-and-champagne lobby objected to the unsightliness of fans amid their favorite yachting courses.

I obviously favor more fish, not fewer. I am particularly fond of herrings, including the menhaden.

Your comprehension problem may be curable. Try Gingko Biloba.

Shelly over at "This Eclectic Life" still needs charms for the kids at Camp Sanguinity this Summer ...

http://thiseclecticlife.com/2009/01/26/behind-the-scenes-of-the-good-medicine-project/

My metaphysical question for the evening: Does repeatedly professing public remorse about certain behaviors actually take less energy than correcting those behaviors in advance and not repeating them? If so, I think we've solved our energy crisis right here on this blog, ladies and gents...

Ladies and Lads

The Menhaden even were done in by the Bush's, they are toxic to most anything they touch
Menhaden- The Most Important Fish In The Sea

Check out page 127, you will see their name and Corporation

http://books.google.com/books?id=UcWJCqKgtZAC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=collapse+of+atlantic+menhaden&source=web&ots=OUjZiOgm0V&sig=JSr30M17vS5gRGsR-dwHtiMOMX0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1

Lardo if you can find another post that I apologize for that particular thing I will stop posting here if not stfu,,,,you are the one that should try an apology once in a while,, and not try to explain ( and vacillate about it) away your temper,,,,,sorry about telling some of the people here that im sorry ok, no need to say anything more ---I know how you feel.

Padt
Thanks for the link that you left me the other day,,,booked marked.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/gop-gripes-carry-little-weight.html#comment-193416

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/brods-oprah-gambit.html#comment-193846

Hey Patsi
Glad someone else enjoys those egg and olive sandwiches,of course when I have them I load mine up with extra mayo....Heavenly....Oh thanks for the NY Post link earlier today on the lying Patterson,very good..........

Xrepublican- After rereading your post I can see that one could also take it as you meant it or that we enraged you. Sorry for taking it the wrong way. Not going for the Ginko Biloba, don't have a memory problem thanks.

"sorry about telling some of the people here that im sorry"

That pretty much makes my point -- he's constructed an infinite, self-sustaining do-loop of offense and apology. Actually, quite brilliant. Bravo.

oldseahag,

I know you don't have memory problems. Just jousting.

I love fish. Alewife, Atlantic herring, and pilchards are disappearing, too. If we lose the menhaden there'll be few bass, and no bluefish, stripers, wahoo, etc. We've nearly annihilated both the Atlantic and Pacific fisheries.

Then the republicans will blame the global disaster on caddy-driving welfare mothers, environmental extremists, and Muslim terrorists. But, all the finger-pointing and demagoguery won't put a single fillet on the table.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/give-a-little-and-gain-a-lot.html#comment-194056

Hi Solar
Your right,solar panels if they can afford them.I have a solar heating system for the pool and it works fabulously so I decided to check on a system for my 50 gallon hot water heater that's in my garage,sticker shock $3400.I hope your doing well up there in the great north?I know your back into the workouts,hope the shoulder and bicep are cooperating?

Xrepublican- please check the post , I wasn't joking about the Bushs. This wind project will be just one more nail pounded in the fish populations' coffin courtesy of them.

Be nice to Keith Olbermann, especially today. It's his birthday!

Too, he shares some of the same convictions held by many of the people who populate this place, and he is in a position where he can express the outrage so many of us feel.

And while most reporters and Republicans have been eager to forget Mr. Bush's various transgressions, Keith hasn't, and he continues to report on them, keeping public awareness alive and -- hopefully -- pressuring those in power to exercise their Constitutional duty, at last, indicting and prosecuting the criminal cabal we've had to endure the last eight years.

I would rather not be on offense,,,or defense,,,,,,but how does a guy like me deserve so much of your attention? I don't get it,,,,is it something I said,,,,sorry bout it if I have,,,now this last part is an example of what you meant,right?,,,,

take a look back ,,at what I said,,,,,,,what can I possibly gain from answering a post from someone that I like very much and try to explain,,a little of what is a very difficult subject,,this is not something that I want to keep talking about so if you want to keep talking to the others as is if im not here go ahead.
later

Tony

Tomorrow will be my first full work out,,,,and will work with light weights for another week of 2----had a very pleasant surprise,,,,one of my bowflex cables broke ( I think that is why I hurt myself) I call the B F company,,,and they shipped out 2 of them at no cost,,,,,now that is what I call product support,,,,I am thinking about an eliptical for cardio,,,and to ease up on my back ,,,,,

Tony about 10-12 tears ago a complete solar system for my roof was about 10,000 dollars,,,,could have gotton that back in about 6-7 years I figured ,,,but we took a nice vacation instead,,,no regrets,,,,but maybe if shouldn't have,,,but ,,but ,,,,,,I think that C bob is right on that also they will come down a little so keep looking,,,,and check in to tax credits that might offset the cost,,,,,,and also look at other solutions,,don't bathe so often hahaha

The weather is what it is,,,,,I did not complain when we had warm winters,,,and now that we get the first normal winter in awhile I won't start now,,,,,,but I do wish that it did not happen at the same time that all of this mess is occurring.,,,,glad that you are fine,,,just got back and scanned for you and Chloe---not much posting ??

"That proof enough for you Flatus? "

Not really.

Collinearity doesn't prove causation.

Flatus,

I agree. They didn't record much economic data back in those days, not having 'puters. So, while the myth endures, it is possible that protectionism did not worsen the depression. Or, not as much as a perceived need to balance trade on both sides of the Atlantic.

America was strongly protectionist through all the years that republicans ruled from 1861 - 1933. We suffered a horrific Depressions and several bad crashes in those days.

Cleveland and Wilson were not able to (and probably not interested in) instituting real free trade. Taxes levied on imports made up the bulk of the Federal Government's revenue. We'd have had to find a different source of revenue, if we had gone to free trade, and no one could think of a good one. Luxury taxes were considered unfair just as they are today, because they don't include the poor. ( :>D))<

In those days, we were as dependent on the importation of foreign tools and capital as we are today on Arab oil, and Chinese electronics, furniture, clothing, and cash. The slowdown in American purchases of European farm machinery, coupled with the European central banks cutting back the lending of hard currency to us, started as early as the mid-20s. This was the harbinger of the Depression. It is probably more true that the contraction of credit worsened the Depression.

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XR, I agree. And your highlighting that so much of our imports in the early part of the last century was for capital goods is so important when we contrast that period with the era of consumption that we have been in for the last quarter century.

A Walmart - buy only American - opps American labels made in China -
They know how to scam a falling price

Protectionist to protect companies that are not competitive to a non USA based company - leads to weaker products.
We are in a Global Market - and it is not going away ....

Off to bed...
Did not read all of the posts....
Does Craig or anyone comment about President Barack speaking to the non Christian, Non Jews today?
Interesting take..... Does he raise people up or put people down?

Is President Barack H Obama the most extreme Naive Neophyte or is he on to something??? Or both...

Which one will stick.... current Rate he is only 4 years

Brain,
I am not sure how to take him yet .....
Catch up later - had a long day just got home and did a quick stop by...
Best to ya
Da PinG

"Interesting, "Israel is a strong ally of the United States" -- he didn't say anything about the US being a strong ally of Israel. -- and who authorized him to speak for Israel, especially about making sacrifices -- and what kind of sacrifices?

And, "humble and conciliatory?" Obama is humble and conciliatory when speaking for America, but arrogant when he speaks for himself."

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

GORDO is just puling republican disinformation. The Prez was actually speaking to the Americans and Israelis, when saying Israel is now and will continue to be our ally. Israelis worry that their utility to the US may be underestimated, as in "...there rose up a Pharaoh who did not know Joseph...." Many Americans foolishly underestimate the value of the intelligence that the Israelis provide about the Arab world and putinist russia. Israel (and Turkey) are our eyes and ears in the Mideast and russia. Obama was telling Americans that Israel is OUR ally in the Mideast.

In the case of speeches to combatants and near combatants, smart Chiefs of State use such opportunities to satisfy those who have the power to inflict the greatest difficulty/defeat or whose safety is the most crucial, for they know that the really important one will be listening eagerly. This utilitarian priciple has been employed by wise and successful CoSs since the days of Castlereagh and Palmerston. The fact that Obama said it, is proof of the damage that would be done to American interests if our ally, Israel were to suffer.

The hell you're not.

Now a suggested 5% tax on only a few retailers becomes "chopping off a hand". You are being really silly.

WalMart made it's name by advertising that everything in its stores was American made. 60 Minutes sent in spies and reported that 56% of the stock on WalMart shelves was made in China. WalMart pulled it's ads, hunkered down, and went 100% Chinese. It is a red operation. So, what is it that has you sticking up for them ?

LOS ANGELES -- A man fatally shot his wife, five young children and himself Tuesday after he faxed a note to a TV station claiming the couple had just been fired from their hospital jobs and together planned the killings as an escape for the whole family. "Why leave our children in someone else's hands," Ervin Lupoe wrote in a letter posted late Tuesday on the KABC-TV Web site.

The station called police after receiving the fax, and a police dispatch center also received a call from a man who stated, "I just returned home and my whole family's been shot."

It was the fifth mass death of a Southern California family by murder or suicide in a year.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110ap_bodies_found.html

Old Sea -
Good discussion today. We may have not won each other over, but we sure got the rest of these birds informed on what's going on in your neck of the waters.

Craig -
Sorry for the long paste job, .............. heat of the moment. It's boring & sucks no matter who does it.

Tonyb39 -
Your water heater quote, when did you get it, and what state are you in ? I think I can help you on that item.

Old Sea -
I didn't sign Cape Wind's petition either.

Why I like Obama -

On GOP complaints, "he said that 'there will be time to beat him up and a time for politics. He said I understand that and I will watch you on Fox News and feel bad about myself.'"

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/pat.php

Looks like Coleman's lawyers graduated from Hub Cap University -

Coleman's Supposedly Friendly Witnesses Backfire

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/colemans-supposedly-friendly-witnesses-backfire.php

Skateistan.org: A Skateboarding School in Afghanistan

Now, when he pulls his motorcycle into a residential courtyard here, a dozen youngsters pounce before it comes to a stop, yanking six chipped skateboards with fading paint off the back. The children, most participating in a sport for the first time in their war-hardened lives, do not want to waste any time. Their skateboard park is a decrepit Soviet-style concrete fountain with deep fissures. The tangle of novice skaters resembles bumper cars more than X Games.

But Percovich has raised the money needed to build an 8,600-square-foot bubble to house the nonprofit Skateistan complex, and the Kabul Parks Authority has tentatively donated land. He is still waiting for official permission to begin the project. And since a spate of kidnappings and the car bombing in late November, he has reduced his daily sessions at the fountain to once or twice a week.

http://boingboing.hexten.net/2009/01/27/skateistanorg-a-skat.html

Skateistan is Afghanistan's first dedicated skateboarding school. It engages the growing numbers of urbanised youth through skateboarding and provides new opportunities in cross-cultural interaction and education.

There are many ways to get involved in Skateistan:
How You Can Help

http://skateistan.org/how-you-can-help/

A good idea late at night -

US Treasury "Energy Independence Savings Bonds"

Selling energy bonds for RE (Renewable Energy) development would lower foreign oil imports and assist with the complex problem of funding. Bonds sold as “Energy S” could support new solar trough plants, “Energy W” to support wind farms, Energy “H” to support hydroelectric plants, Energy “T” to support RE transportation such as electric bullet train routes powered by RE, Energy "C" COOPS for small communities only needing a small quantity of turbines, and Energy “I” for needed infrastructure high voltage power lines to the RE site. Bonds will have the project name and include an artist’s perspective of the project and an American flag.

http://push.pickensplan.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2187034%3ABlogPost%3A1845999

Amelia, a twenty-year-old classical soprano singer, pre-sold her first CD before entering a recording studio. "If I get $400 in pre-orders, I will be able to afford the rest [of the studio costs]," she told potential contributors. Fundable's all-or-nothing model ensured that none of her customers would lose money if she fell short of her goal. Amelia sold over $940 in albums.
Dennis Detwiller, illustrator and author, produces underground role playing games, distributed as ebooks. Before starting his latest work, he used Fundable to confirm there was enough demand from his fans.
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See, pretty cool.

FYI -
Act Blue has raised over 86 Million dollars since 2004 for the Dems.

That's right Craig, enough of them do! Good appearance as usual.

NEW THREAD

With all of the debate about the stimulus package, I hope voters don't take their eyes off the bailout frenzy. I expect that eventually a bailout the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) will be necessary. The PBGC protects the pensions of nearly 44 million American workers and retirees in more than 29,000 private single-employer and multiemployer defined benefit pension plans. Read more at http://morgantownfreepress.blogspot.com/