Bush's Trust Deficit

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When presidents do not trust the public to handle the truth, more often than not it comes back to haunt them. In many cases, more openness to questions allows a skilled president to make a better case to the public. This is especially true when the public is already asking tough questions.

Consider the nation's experience with George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003. Like so many presidents, Bush preferred to tell the world what needed to be done and shield himself from answering critics. This worked for him in the early days of the war when polls showed a majority of the public behind him. But that dramatically changed.

As the war dragged on and Americans grew angry about the death toll of American lives, Bush continued to stand above the debate refusing to acknowledge his errors or directly address mounting concerns.

Bush never seemed to trust the public or Congress in deciding to invade Iraq or how to prosecute a war that gradually became so unpopular that he became one of the lowest-rated presidents in the history of polling. In almost unilaterally making every decision regarding Iraq, Bush stood alone and isolated when it all went bad.

Failing to bring the public and Congress along for the ride can leave a president helpless if mistakes are made. When nearly everyone in the country is questioning their decisions, they ought to answer the questions with humility and honesty. Americans can be quite forgiving unless you stubbornly deny that anything is wrong.

 

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  1. pogo, mentioning electric cars spurred me to check out the mus am hist exhibit on the ev1. here's an excerpt from online that just leads to more questions (like where are those few they retained):

    "About 800 people-including some celebrities-took the plunge and signed on for the three-year leases. Many drivers liked the quick acceleration and smooth, quiet performance of the EV1. By 2003, however, GM had determined that the EV1 was not commercially viable. It decided to withdraw all EV1s from their leases, retain a few, and destroy the others. GM ended the consumer test project in 2004."

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html

    Posted by: patd | January 14, 2009 3:03 PM

  2. Drat YOu beat me.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 3:03 PM

  3. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/bushs-unpeaceful-refuge.html#comment-189625

    They don't allow golf carts on the freeway except for target practice.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 3:06 PM

  4. "they ought to answer the questions with humility and honesty"
    craig, it's hard to be humble when you're perfect
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxNbEuOO20

    Posted by: patd | January 14, 2009 3:08 PM

  5. Sometimes bloggers attack people, but they never expect to be called out on it. Don't know if any of you saw this, but here is Tina Fey's acceptance speech from Sunday night.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0qeNUfJVAA

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 3:15 PM

  6. "Bush never seemed to trust the public or Congress in deciding to invade Iraq or how to prosecute a war" - the feeling was mutual.

    Yep, those Teslas are awfully attractive. The one I saw on USA Today is the Fisher Karma. And I was wrong - it starts at $87,900. There's a photo of it at USAToday.com - it's 5 of 40 from the Detroit auto show - a link to the photos is below.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/gallery/autoshows/flash.htm?gid=44

    The EV1 wasn't commercially viable? Perhaps because it was built to be so and was a victim of battery technology that was essentially unchanged as compared to today?

    Posted by: pogo | January 14, 2009 3:16 PM

  7. wasn't bush's campaign plank the issue of trust? fitting he should be run out of town on the same plank.

    Posted by: patd | January 14, 2009 3:18 PM

  8. Bob Corker went to the Detroit Auto Show yesterday:

    http://www.freep.com/article/20090114/COL06/901140406

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 3:28 PM

  9. Corey, Corker probably went so he could see what Honda, Toyota and Mecedes have on the drawing board.

    Posted by: pogo | January 14, 2009 3:38 PM

  10. When I was a boy in Cleveland Heights there was an _old_ lady, always dressed in black, who periodically drove one of these electric cars down Lee Road:

    http://www.ctrc.org/projects/trolleys-and-trolleybarn/1916-detroit-electric-touring-car.html

    She always sat erect in the vehicle looking something like I imagine Queen Victoria would appear if she had a similar machine.

    As I recall, she steered the thing with a tiller rather than a steering wheel.

    It was all quite fascinating.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 3:43 PM

  11. Flatus, I'm not sure I like the new ones any better than that one - except the Teslas and the Karmas, of course.

    Posted by: pogo | January 14, 2009 3:47 PM

  12. Posted by: Colorado Bob | January 14, 2009 3:59 PM

  13. Ed- That I am.-1977 and graduated from Suny at Albany. Grew up on Township Rd. (Rt. 146, which goes all the way up to Gallupville) 1/2 mile before the Berne- Knox line. Love Schoharie, drive up there and around to do antique buys. I go back every Labor Day for the Highland Games and once in the spring. By summer I'm working 24-7 so no time to visit. Do you ever go to the Homefront Cafe? It's pretty neat, all WWII memorabilia around. My Dad is there every morning when he is in NY, he writes the Horseshoes column in the Enterprise too.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 4:16 PM

  14. a reminder that there are wars and there are wars.
    "According to human rights groups, since the fighting began in earnest in early 2007, more than 16,000 civilians have been killed, over 30,000 injured and a million displaced."
    http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=82337

    Posted by: patd | January 14, 2009 4:19 PM

  15. "The shrew-like animal can deliver venom through specialized teeth. It is one of the few living mammals that use poison"

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 4:20 PM

  16. patsi, something about those beady little eyes that reminds me of a familiar msm star. is it just me or can you see it too?

    Posted by: patd | January 14, 2009 4:31 PM

  17. Patsi,

    I'm almost sure I've seen mammals use poison here, at least I assumed they were mammals.

    OSH,

    I've often heard radio commercials for the Homefront Cafe, and "meant" to stop there, but haven't done that yet. This summer, I'll go in and look for your dad. I won't need your name, I'll just ask for the guy whose daughter makes fudge. I assume your dad does NOT refer to you as OldSeaHag.

    I made a lot of trips on 146 this year because of umpiring assignments in Guilderland, a few at the high school, but mostly at Keenholts Park.

    I'm a Siena guy ('71)

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 4:42 PM

  18. "something about those beady little eyes that reminds me of a familiar msm star."

    Ha -- yes indeed. Early in the am....what a sight.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 4:48 PM

  19. Last night I made a comment about my concern about Obama's selection for Treasury Secretary considering the dude forgot or just omitted paying his taxes. From what has been written it seems the latter may more likely be the case.

    I thought Obama's team had a tough vetting process and from what I read they knew about this and thought it was just a "honest mistake" and nothing to stop the nomination.

    I worked contract for a couple of years. I am a financial idiot and I learned I had to pay self-employment taxes and as many of you know it really bites. After a couple of years I refused to ever work contract because I didn't like paying twice the SS taxes.

    There was a panel on Fox, usually right leaning, discussing this last night and they didn't think this would be a problem because the Dems will support Obama and the Repubs like the guy.

    I have perused this blog since this info came out and haven't seen one comment regarding any outrage about this. Why not? It is just OK for the guy who will oversee the IRS to try to avoid paying taxes?

    After a lot of soul searching and grieving over Hillary, I voted for Obama and have felt very good about it but I am sorry to have to say that this Obama decision is a strike against his credibility.

    And why not much outrage about this?? Is it pretty mainstream to avoid paying taxes. I certainly spend enough torturous hours in the Spring of every year looking for every penny of income to report and pay my fair share of taxes on. That is the law!

    Where is Lampe when I need her?

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 4:49 PM

  20. Ed- LOL, that depends on the day! I've got Roger Keenholt's antique couch sitting outside on my porch! My name is Kathleen and my Dad is Ed Cowley, he was the chair of the Art Dept. at Suny for 35 years. His stainglass is in the window at the Home Front. Tim Russert stopped in once and was fascinated by it. all. I'll let you know when I'll be in town and I'll buy you a coffee too! I can afford one there. Going up the hill our land starts right after the tracks and goes until the first driveway on the left. It's pretty cool in there if you like hikes , 2 waterfalls and a great ravine. Do you ever go hike up to Vrooman's Nose?

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 4:55 PM

  21. Ct- I've got nothing to say about Obama, it's better that way.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 4:57 PM

  22. From what I read he was audited and got caught on the last two of the four years. He paid that but not until later did he fess up on the previous two years. Just recently paid those. I could be wrong. It is not easy to get the straight story.

    If he was audited on the last two years seems he would have asked about the previous two. I thought he was supposed to be the brilliant one. I will apologize in advance if I am unjustly attacking this guy. I guess we will see next week.

    I totally see the housekeeper issue as a honest mistake.

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 5:14 PM

  23. There was a more detailed explanation of the tax problem that I found last night but can't find it again now.

    What is weird is that he paid the biggest bulk of the delinquent taxes just before the nomination. I do expect more from a Treasury nominee than I would from Joe/Joan Q. Public.

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 5:27 PM

  24. ct,

    I think Geithner gets a bit of a pass because of his situation. Working for the IMF, doesn't really sound like self-employment or being a contract employee, so his oversight doesn't have the same taint that previous "nannygate" scandals had. If anything in the story bothers me, it's that he just cleaned up the rest of his payment while he was being considered for this appointment, but that may have been a scheduled thing. I know if I had to pay them $50, I'd want them to take it in installments.

    I don't know anything about Geithner's talents, but I have to admit, I like the idea of having a guy in charge of IRS, who has actually had a previous run-in with those lower echelon folks. Chances are he was treated better than you or I would be, but even so, having publicly admitted his error may help one of us lesser souls some day.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 5:28 PM

  25. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/bushs-trust-deficit.html#comment-189659

    Carol,

    I did here one commentary in passing that this involved contractor income earned over seas and it was such an obscure area of the IRS law that they had to put out a special memo for the offices on how to handle it when this sort of income arose. For his standpoint it could have been an oversight since he paid taxes on his other types of income and when it came to his notice paid the interest charges as well.

    Now the timing might be a bit suspect since he didn't pay them until a short time before being appointed, but that could be coincidence. I simply don't know.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 5:31 PM

  26. I really doubt it Ed that we would get the same pass. With this financial crisis being the biggest one we are now facing, I would like someone in charge who isn't already somewhat tainted.

    Those tax laws are so awful. I am leaning toward thinking a reasonable flat tax, no loopholes, might not be the best idea.

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 5:35 PM

  27. Ct, is this what you refer to?

    Tax problems may plague Obama's treasury pick
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090114/D95MTVI05.html

    Posted by: Animal Control | January 14, 2009 5:42 PM

  28. AC,

    Not the same article but very similar. You notice that he didn't pay the first two year taxes he missed until just before the nomination. Doesn't pass the smell test even though I have a cold and can't smell very well right now.

    The lack of much outrage even by the Repubs makes me wonder if most have a few tax skeletons in their closets they don't want found.

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 5:53 PM

  29. Ct

    Your nose seems to work sufficiently well.
    New Boss same as the Old Boss

    Posted by: Animal Control | January 14, 2009 5:56 PM

  30. Signs of the times. Film industry closing its charity hospital and nursing home:

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-moviehome15-2009jan15,0,2131643.story

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 6:01 PM

  31. Ct, this is an interesting tidbit:
    "Timothy Geithner’s father, Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation’s microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, mother of President-elect Barack Obama, and they met in person at least once."

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/geitner-soetoro-ford-foundation.html

    Posted by: Animal Control | January 14, 2009 6:01 PM

  32. I don't know which is worse -- this guy's pathology or his stupidity:

    SAN FRANCISCO - A California man has been arrested for arranging for his 14-year-old daughter to marry a neighbor in exchange for $16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat, police said.

    Authorities in Greenfield, a farming community on California's central coast, said they learned of the deal after Marcelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, asked them for help getting back his daughter after payment wasn't made.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28629054/?GT1=43001

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 6:07 PM

  33. RE: Tim Geithner & taxes not paid

    Here is the Wall Street Journal article that first revealed the potential dilemma for the Treasury nominee.

    As to whether it will affect the nomination---to date there have been no calls for the nomination to be withdrawn & Geithner continues to have full support from Pres. Elect Obama, therefore, in all likelihood it will be of minimal impact, if at all.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123187503629378119.html

    Posted by: Coreen | January 14, 2009 6:10 PM

  34. Timothy F. Geithner –The quintessential Washington insider.
    http://www.muckety.com/Timothy-F-Geithner/2158.muckety

    Same old, same old!

    Posted by: Animal Control | January 14, 2009 6:13 PM

  35. Craig.. and fellow TMxrs -

    This post of Craig's - is on point!

    The handling of the Iraq war and waiting so long to Dump Donald Rumsfeld was significant.

    Remove the horrible middle - and now with the Obama not Surge which is a success - does Bush have a different legacy? Yes !

    But he did not so therefore he does not...

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 6:24 PM

  36. A series of articles at Politico discusses the Tim Geithner matter, including when Geithner was president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank.

    It raises intriguing questions----which may or may not ever be asked/answered.

    "Geithner's risky oversight of Citigroup"

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17437.html

    Should the NY Fed have seen trouble coming & prevented it?

    What oversight did Geithner/NY Fed exert as Citigroup took on more risk & its capital eroded?

    What contacts, if any, did Geithner have regarding regulatory matters with Citigroup officials, including Robert Rubin, Geithner's former mentor?


    Posted by: Coreen | January 14, 2009 6:36 PM

  37. "I worked contract for a couple of years. I am a financial idiot and I learned I had to pay self-employment taxes and as many of you know it really bites."

    Carol, I know all about it. Although we were paid, elected officials in my city weren't considered employees. For income tax purposes we were regarded as self-employed so I had to do the same thing as you (don't know if any of the other commissioners did).

    Adding insult to injury, we couldn't deduct our personal campaign contributions as business expenses. So, yeah, I'm disappointed that Mr Obama couldn't find someone who obeys the rules. But, hey, he's from Chicago where, evidently, rules are made to be broken. And, if you break the rules yourself, you find that type of behavior acceptable in others.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 6:36 PM

  38. If Shock and Awe had never happened, then all those deaths, maimings, and dislocations plus a rise in Shia Irani influence never would have happened, so a "successful" surge would never have been necessary.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 6:37 PM

  39. It finally almost got cold today...............

    Posted by: sturgeone | January 14, 2009 6:41 PM

  40. And now no chance to visit Fantasy Island since Ricardo Montalban (Mr. Rourke) has died.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aPbN0_ikRnf4&refer=us

    Posted by: Coreen | January 14, 2009 6:54 PM

  41. Coreen,

    His wife of many years died back in 2006, so given his age, his death isn't a surprise but still sad. I loved some of his old MGM movies as silly as they were. He made every movie charming.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 7:08 PM

  42. Jamie,

    Yes, I too enjoy those old movies. And you are right even if they may seem silly--they are great fun.

    As a child who had one of the first TV's in the neighborhood (from the days of the bubble in front of the screen)--each loss of the actors who were so much a part of childhood stings a bit more.

    Your tribute to Cheryl brought back many memories, though Annette was my favorite mouseketeer.

    Posted by: Coreen | January 14, 2009 7:32 PM

  43. In an effort to make my comment in the time zone where most people will see it, I want to say to Patsi that she is right about the remarks re liars and word twisters being mis-interpreted.

    They did appear to me to be suggesting banning such as lies, inhibiting free speech. If they were not meant that way, I am relieved. So, thanks, Patsi, for going to the trouble of reading and comments and reassuring me. I agree that distortions should be vigorously pointed out and un-twisted. That's always been one of Bill's strongest messages to his party. Stop a disease before it spreads.

    I'm off to see babies again so will probably get back just in time to see another fight break up, and post my own particular brand of wisdomn -HA! - too late for anyone to see it. Oh, well, as long as I can put my thought into words, that's rewarding.

    Baby 3 is scheduled for appearance next Tuesday at 12:30 - can NOT wait.

    All chefs, cooks, and knowledgeable folks - it's ok to frezze cheese, isn't it? I bought two kinds of raclette cheese for nil for Christmas, and bought way too much - whudoiknow? So we're hoping they can freeze ir for a LONG time.

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 7:42 PM

  44. Coreen,

    It's the ones my age and younger departing that is making me nervous. :-)

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 7:45 PM

  45. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/bushs-most-fateful-day.html#comment-189430

    "Tony,,lunch buckets like you and I are fearless,,,,we have stepped out of our( littleworld) world cos,,,we see another interesting one"

    Hi Solar
    Nicely put! Thank you for that!! I am tired after a long 10 hour day,i feel like a glass of Chardonnay and the bed...

    Posted by: tonyb39 Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 7:46 PM

  46. For the Musical lovers amongst us, the media reel for The Boy From Oz is finally hitting You Tube. It's not as good as seeing the whole show in person with all the stars, but it is professional quality and has the stars doing the numbers from the show.

    Since Hollywood hasn't had the good sense to bring it to the screen and no one has filmed the whole stage production for a DVD, this is as good as it is going to get. Two samples are on my blog and you can link from there to the rest of the videos.

    http://jdurward.blogspot.com

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 7:48 PM

  47. Bethy

    Hard or semi-hard cheese can be frozen if cut in 1/2 to 1-pound blocks. Wrap in plastic wrap and then put in freezer bags. After freezing, cheese may become crumbly and mealy, but, it will retain its flavor. It works best for cooking.

    Plan to use frozen cheese within 4 to 6 months. Thaw cheese in the refrigerator. Use soon after thawing.

    The cheeses that freeze best are brick, Camembert, cheddar, Edam, mozzerella, muenster, Parmesan, provolone, Romano and Swiss. Blue cheeses are more prone to becoming crumbly but they'll still taste good. Cream cheese and cottage cheese do not freeze well.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 7:51 PM

  48. ct: So sorry I missed your blog earlier. I would have loved to ruffle a few feathers. Seems to me, that a few of the people Obama has chosen for his cabinet ,have unanswered questions in their past.

    Posted by: Lampe | January 14, 2009 7:55 PM

  49. Just checked out the links you guys provided. I had to detour to notify neighbors of a suspicious character who jumped over a fence into an empty field next door. A field with access to all of their backyards. I sure wish I had a gun right now even though I am a fairly peaceful girl.

    Maybe the Treasury fellow is on the up and up but that WSJ article you linked Coreen didn't help. Even though he did pay up on what the audit found on the last two years he seemed to hope that the first two years would be missed.

    He does seem to be Obama's friend. We will see at the hearings next week if anyone will have the guts to ask some tough questions.

    The panel on Fox last night said unless there is some type of public outcry he will most likely be approved. I guess it will be up to we the people to listen to his answers. We certainly can't count on the news media these days to ask tough questions.

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 8:15 PM

  50. Hi Tony,
    Thanks for asking, but no, the baby still isn't here yet. Hope everything is going well with you. Ten hours working - wow, you sure do have a long day. With the way the economy is going though, It's good to have the business.

    I'm tired tonight too. See you tomorrow.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 8:21 PM

  51. Hi Lampe,

    I started out feeling like you still seem to feel about Obama but then I opened up my heart and mind and let him in. That doesn't mean he gets a free pass though. I am not a sucker.

    Eight years of our being abused by our government/president has left many of us just too willing to just put up with anything that looks like an improvement.

    We can't forget that those people represent Us! They work for Us!

    Posted by: ct | January 14, 2009 8:27 PM

  52. ct: I agree with you, these politicians seem to forget, that they are working for us. I think our biggest problem is we have just let the politicians, do what they want, when they want . And, that makes some of this mess our fault. I think with all that is going on in our world today, no one, and I mean no one from either party, should be given a FREE PASS. That is why, I will be sitting in the wings watching like a HAWK, with both of my eyes wide open,and my fingers crossed.

    Posted by: Lampe | January 14, 2009 9:47 PM

  53. babybush may be lazy and crazy, but he's no idiot. babybush posed as an ignorant redneck to get the confederate and mountain man vote. How else does a Yale and Harvard educated son of Eastern Elitist George Herbert Walker Bush convince backwoods morons that he is one of them ?

    Since cheney got boozed up and mistook his best friend for a pheasant (must have been those blue wattles), Hurricane Katrina, and the arrest of pooperscooper libby, the old veepaholic hasn't exercised much power.

    Of course cheney is going to claim credit for all the bush crime family triumphs. What would one expect him to say ? That he spent the eight years in a Hazeldon treatment facility ?

    Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | January 14, 2009 11:37 PM

  54. The bush cheney crime family's 3 greatest triumphs :

    1. They erased the disappointments of the Clinton years,

    2. They weren't removed from office,

    3. They prevented bin ladin from destroying New Orleans,

    Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | January 15, 2009 12:07 AM

  55. Craig, you're so right.

    "Americans can be quite forgiving unless you stubbornly deny that anything is wrong."

    Most often it's the COVER-UP that's more of a problem.

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | January 15, 2009 12:17 AM

  56. NEW THREAD

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | January 15, 2009 10:02 AM

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