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craig, the word for the next 23 days. hang in there, gracious host.

pirate fix. talk about tenacity... this has become an obsession.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122869822798786931.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Good morning, patd. You're up early this Monday. How are you doing?

Anyone else around yet?

diva, just me and the pirates i guess.... our gracious host must have placed his nose back on the word processing grindstone.

In our time of great national crisis, Tom Brokow asks the BIG questions: have you quit smoking? AND will you (gasp!) smoke in the White House? (I'd bet my life Laura Bush lit up a few these past eight years.)

Shoot me right now.

If having the occasional cigarette helps this President through these monumental decisions -- I say hand that man a Marlboro.

Driving back from Falls Church,VA yesterday afternoon, we spied a car that had an Obama bumper sticker -- but the killer was their license plate: SOLONGW

Watching W whoop it up in the waning days of the longest and worst regime is nauseating. He can't get gone soon enough.

Heck Patsi, if the man is having some stress, get him a cigar!

Diva

Does an intern come with the cigar?

Jack

cigar? maybe these folks will send him one along with those going to the troops.
http://www.makersmarkgiftshop.com/line_troops.htm

odd promotion imo.... heck, send them a bottle.

"Does an intern come with the cigar?"

Ha -- I don't care about that either. Especially when the intern is in her twenties....

patsi, agree 100%... neither do i care whether the intern is a she or a he. just get the job done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/07/AR2008120702792.html

CBob,
I get an education just by going back and reading your late night posts and links. That mass transit story surprised me because I hadn't heard it before, even though it should be predictable in a failing economy. Regardless, the numbers were staggering. For instance, that 11 billion fewermiles this last September than the previous September. It'll be interesting to see if the changes really do boost support for more transit funds in the economic stimulus package

On your other link, the recycling numbers being down is pretty well known, but I didn't realize it's never gone from good to bad so fast anytime in the past. Also didn't know the L.A. Times was thinking about filing bankruptcy. I guess is just all part of the picture.

Yes -- the suddenness with which recycling has taken this hit is mind boggling....

Oh, and Good Morning everyone.
I tend to jump in feet first. :)

Yes Patsi. But the other half of the equation was the price of buying all of those things went back down too. It helped some and hurt the guys that make their living recycling a lot.

In the meantime, on MoJo -- David Gregory was being beamed in from Washington, and was giving what appeared to be a thoughtful and heartfelt tribute to Russert and Brokow...and right in the middle of it, Mika chirped in with "Oh, look who's here!" giggle, giggle...Brokow had walked into the studio...and so, she then started talking to Brokow leaving Gregory stammering in the middle of his own thanks to his predecessors. Then she just cut him off and switched to Brokow. I switched back to C-Span.

Everybody is worried about the costs of healthcare, yet our president-to-be smokes? Doesn't he wanna be around when his girls get older? Isn't Obama a role model? Will kids see Obama smoke and think it's cool? Kudos to Brokaw for calling Obama out on this.

Haven't watched in long while, but I see Mika hasn't changed.

Are we sure he still smokes?

Liberals Voice Concerns About Obama:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16292.html

Chloe -- You are so right. I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but in '69 and '70, when we were in Germany, I was always astonished at how little trash my German friends had, compared to ours. After taking a hard look at it -- I understood that it was because, even though we lived off-base, we shopped a great deal at the base commissary, and American-style packaging was the culprit.

"Liberals Voice Concerns About Obama"

a good sign?

Hey Barack !!!
Where is Nancy, Harry, Barney, Chris........
Opps they are your party..... and the leaders in the collapse.

Come on Office of Pres Elect ... You took more money then any of these from freddie and fannie in a temporal period - So hey you should be the one ........

Funny if you come back to what John McCain offered up

Some liberals think Obama is not backing up his campaign promises.

"American-style packaging was the culprit."

Patsi, you are so right.
Speaking of mind boggling. The amount of trash we put out every week is beyond belief. And we've all read the stories of how the packaging of our products cost more than the product itself. That's something that would be a good project to start changing. It would lower our prices and also have an ecological benefit.

"Some liberals think Obama is not backing up his campaign promises"

Ha....surprise, surprise.

Obama never did say he had completely quit. And to Brokow he said he'd fallen off the wagon from time to time. I do NOT want a president who is chewing his nails wanting a cigarette....

But if you are going to question smoking, better find out what foods he's eating. In the past few weeks I've had two friends in for by-pass surgery and one friend die of a heart attack. None were smokers -- all ate fatty foods.

Moreover, if we talk about role models, what about serving liquor in the White House?

"This Wasn't Quite The Change We Envisioned".

Disclaimer: I smoke, I drink alcohol -- AND I eat fatty foods! I'm toast.

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Are you pissed ping?

I might actually wanna visit the White House, if they serve liquor! LOL!

Morn'n

Chloe - why would I be pissed - Barack is just positioning as Criag so correctly stated -

Barack is on the RIGHT track - He wants 8 years not 4 and if he acted on his campaign promises he would be a one term.

So no - the Words Just Words to this point are very favorable....

I just like to sturg it up a little

"Obama never did say he had completely quit. "

Patsi, I didn't ask that question for any other reason than his being a good role model was being questioned. But I've never seen him smoke in public, and I doubt he smokes in front of his family. I could care less what he does in private. He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he's weighing his options on even that. Smoking, not smoking, his business.

I was actually defending him.

I'm joking about the role model thing. He ain't no Charles Barkley!

"why would I be pissed"

I thought maybe you were tired of hearing just one side of the story and the hypocrisy. There's a lot more people responsible for our problems than just the Republicans. imo

"I'm joking about the role model thing."

I know Corey. I was just chiming in. :)

chloe -- Thanks..... and understood.....

But I do love this little window to the world that seems to only look to the left......

But I have a few more vantage points...

I just think it's funny how Obama is being cautious and trying to do the right things and his most ardent supporters feel like he's leaving them behind. I guess they don't look at things realistically.

"I just like to sturg it up a little"

Ha Ping....I know the feeling.

Ping Pong, you would be the last one to talk about a collapse of party leadership, LOL. I don't think the DEM "collapse" is quite as bad as the GOP "collapse."

You gotta have fun here now, while others are still sleeping. LOL!

"I guess they don't look at things realistically."

no kidding...:)

Actually, I don't see Obama as being cautious, so much Corey, as I see him as being focused. I think he really does see himself as President to all the people, not just special interests. At least that's what I'm hoping.

I stayed out of the whole men feeling inadequate when being around women last night. I have had 5 female bosses in the last 3 years. Not a problem at all.

"You gotta have fun here now, while others are still sleeping."

enjoy it while you can..

"I stayed out of the whole men feeling inadequate when being around women "

Ha, smart guy!

I mean, people worried Bush tried to swing the country to the far right and now people want Obama to swing the country to the far left?

sturge not lest ye be sturged........saith the poacher.....

BTW, December 8th, 1980...John Lennon was murdered.

"I might actually wanna visit the White House, if they serve liquor! LOL!"

Ha -- who was it that stopped serving alcohol for awhile? Was that Carter? Or did I dream that story?

"I've never seen him smoke in public, "

No -- I haven't either. And I sure don't mean to say that it's a good habit...it's a horrible habit...trust me! lol

"sturge not lest ye be sturged....."

LOL. I actually mean 'stir things up' :)

good morning gang....

CBob....
my favorite Phillips line...... "the Bushes just wanted to be stock brokers..... if GW had some success in that field, he'd have never become president"....

I also LOVED his impersonation of an angry Barbara Bush.....

to smoke or not to smoke...... that is the question......
I'm with Patsi on this one.....

Jackie O never smoked in public, or at least I think I read that.

"And I sure don't mean to say that it's a good habit."

but no ones business except the person doing it.

"Funny if you come back to what John McCain offered up"

Ping -- I'll go back to something I posted during the Republican primary. I heard from people who would know, that McCain takes some heavy duty mood "stabilizers" or something of the sort....these people, who have worked for him, said he can be incredibly unstable.

Call me a medication bigot, but that bothered me a LOT.

"I mean, people worried Bush tried to swing the country to the far right and now people want Obama to swing the country to the far left?"

Corey..... I say if people want to seesaw..... go visit a playground.....

Chloe -- they really tried to see to it that Jackie O was never photographed smoking too...

Truthfully, I only hate it when attractive women smoke. I could care less about men who smoke.

in the meantime.... the GOP is not laying around with it's tail between it's legs...

this is on the front page of this morning's Boston Globe...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/12/08/romney_paves_way_for_possible_12_run/

Of course, my best friend once saw a picture of this cute girl he went to college with and she was smoking in the picture. My one friend said, "Awe man...she smokes!" My best friend said, "I don't care if that girl smokes dynamite!"

"they really tried to see to it that Jackie O was never photographed smoking too..."

That's kinda surprising, when you think back to how things were back then. Smoking wasn't looked down on. Do you remember movies, commercials, photographs, anywhere where people weren't smoking back then?

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Party collapse - What party !!!!

Off to Capitlistic world..

Best to all....

Los Flintstones weigh in on smoking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdTBDkUEEQ

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Not surprising about Romney Renee. When you've got that much money, there aren't nearly as many obstacles.

I have to get to work too.

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Renee

Just 2 words in response to that article, Steve Forbes.

Romney is the past.

Jack

mornin' all.

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As long as I don't have to breathe it...

And remember gum and the patch work 7% of the time. If Obama has quit by using gum, congrats to him. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Dem leadership - what the hell is that? Nancy and Harry should have been all over the financial bailout with at least halfway rational conditions on the funds - something a little tighter than whatever Hank says is OK with us - and should have STFU about auto execs flying into DC on their private planes. At umpty ump million $$$ per year, you want them wasting time stuck in airports or driving hybrids to DC from Michigan instead of working on plans to salvage at least part of the backbone of heavy manufacturing in the US? Give them the GD loans already - and give them bigger ones if the first round doesn't go far enough. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

As for Obama - he ain't in office yet - he has to sit and watch Bush and Hank continue to F**K it up, but why should he do that silently?

I hope Gregory grows a pair - he'll need them if he doesn't want MTP to lose what cache it still has.

"Nobody Told Me"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s10t32X5wvI

Good morning all
Hey you guys sure make my morning interesting, along with my iced tea it makes for a big bang!Thanks.I'm off to work.Have a great day all....

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Corey, LOL.

When we were in Mexico 2 weeks ago, there was a Maxim photo shoot going on at Xel-Ha while we were there for the day. About 8 models, mostly thongs, legs and boobs - and our 12 yr. old and his buddy were tripping over their tongues, as you might guess, making excuses for going past where they were sunning (as if we couldn't figure that out). We left the park at the same time they did, and when we were walking out to the parking lot, about half of them lit up. LP's buddy said "Damn, they smoke." It matters to some kids. Of course a couple more years of puberty should get them over that.

Pogo -- I thought that private jet issue got way overblown too. Then the completely idiotic questions about how they drove....who drove, did they stop to eat....God a'mighty! Get down to business and stop pissing away these hearings!

And Chris Dodd is saying that the top brass at GM has to go because they've done a bad job...I feel a little like that about a few old Senators, Mr. Dodd.....

"f having the occasional cigarette helps this President through these monumental decisions -- I say hand that man a Marlboro."

Patsi, I'll put it in a military context.

Here we are in the windowless, underground War Room. The battle staff is convened and discussing the merits of staying conventional or going nuclear. Nobody, other than the CinC, has smoked in years.

Guess whose mind is starting to fixate on the need for nicotine. Guess who really needs a cigarette before making a series of key decisions. Guess who the Battle Staff is waiting on.

Is it time to light-up in the War Room. Everyone else will be gagging instantly. Or should he exit himself and go to points unknown and do the deed.

I listened to MTP. Essentially, Mr Obama blamed the stress of the campaign for not breaking his habit. He has not yet begun to see what stress is.

The way I look at it, he has about six weeks to get rid of the habit (including nicorette) completely. He will be much happier, will have reduced the potential for having a stroke, and will be able to give his undivided attention to the work of the country.

BTW, I was surprised when he called the White House the Peoples' House.

" LP's buddy said "Damn, they smoke." It matters to some kids."

Ha! Good for them, Pogo. When I was growing up it was a smoking culture....and I wish I'd never started...or had been able to quit.

(She says...after just polishing off a breakfast of biscuits, gravy, chicken fried steak and potatoes. Topped with a big glass of ice cold whole milk. Arteries no doubt turning to stone as I type....although oddly enough, I have no weight or cholesterol problems...)

Good morning all.

Jackie use to smoke at the airport here. She bummed cigarettes off my sister more than a few times too!

Maybe they should get an ionic breeze for the war room.

OSH, and she died young, too.

Six weeks won't do it if he was a heavy smoker, Flatus...but maybe he can pull it off...

(The brass might do well to smell a little smoke for a change...they sure ain't out there on the back roads of Iraq smelling the smoke from bombs... lol)

Flatus

I'm told that smoking helps the brain to concentrate. I wouldn't know , I've never smoked. But several people I know have told me that one of the things they missed after they quit was the ability to set back light up and think about the problem at hand.

So If I was in the room I would control my gag reflex, reach into my pocket for the lighter and offer him a light.
It is his decision that is important, not his smoking.

Jack

writing break (we're halfway done!) ....

since the auto execs had to give up their jets for bankrupting their companies, shouldn't bush be banned from air force one for bankrupting the country?

...back to work

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Flatus, Of course you're right. (but in a 'perfect world', and we know it's not)
I'm like Jack, I've never smoked. But once you have, I've heard it's nearly impossible to stop.

Yep, when the good senators start thinking that how the CEOs got to DC is more important than what they did to get the big three in to the fix xthey are in and what they plan to do to get them out, I'd say their priorities are a bit skewed. Maybe the senators should all be required to sleep in the Holiday Inn Express before they go to hearings that end up on C-Span.

Yeah, Patsi, me, too - only I never took it up. Mom & Dad smoked - Dad quit when he developed a bleeding ulcer and the doc told him to cut it the hell out. Mom is probably directly responsible for my aversion to it. I hate smoking, but I have been known to tolerate it in a few women I've known over the years. :-) But I am one of those hereditary cholesterol timebombs. I don't eat a lot of fat or red meat, but my overall level is pretty high anyway. I'd have to go vegan to lower it sgnificantly - and I doubt that's going to happen today.

Yeah, he's smokin'. Let him smoke. JFK carried a half-smoked panetela in his suit pocket, FDR puffed Pall Malls ad infinitum.
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It all worked out for David Gregory, all his bantering with Scott McClellan at the press conferences...I am not accusing Gregory of campaigning to the MTP gig...who know Tim Russert was near-death?
But I am not at all happy with Gregory getting the job. I have been blogging for months on how Chuck Todd should have been tapped for Sunday mornings.
It was no surprise, though...all hints made it obvious these past weeks since November 4 that NBC had decided to give it to Gregory.
I just happen to think Gregory is better-suited for the Today Show , clowning with Al Roker. Chuck Todd was better suited for MTP. So I guess I find another cause to champion, as Todd remains the numbers cruncher and Gregory's star ascends the skies.
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I quit DirecTV for Time Warner cable. Yes, I lose RFD-TV and Imus, but I don't care. Imus has become a complete toadie for FOX Noise and all the right wing nuts on the radio like Hannity and especially that goddam Limbaugh.
Also, the incessant playing of that holiday cd Imus had made was driving me nuts. Goodbye forever, Imus. And no, your show is NOT better now...you were MUCH better when on msnbc. You are now UNWATCHABLE . Go soak your swelled head, asshole.

So here’s where it stands: Rick Waggoner has lost any confidence the US Senators had in him and he may have to go away.
Ford has a lot of cash and will move out of the crisis in better shape than the the other Big Three giants. Alan Mulally stays.
Robert Nardelli has only been honcho at Chrysler for about 16 months, and Chrysler still has the reputation of not being able to conquer the quality-gremlins. I mean, the styling is terrific, but why do the axles break and the cars won’t start sometimes? New cars. Who knows how the shareholders really feel about Nardelli? Has he had enough time to make his impact yet?

Craig

There is logic there but might I remind you that anything that gets him out of DC benefits the nation.

I'm in favor of loading his sorry butt up and giving him a farewell tour of the world. Don't even take him back for the inauguration. Just give him a parachute and kick him out some where over the middle of Texas.

Jack

pogo: I assume you are on a statin for high cholesterol. My bad cholesterol was 280m before I went on them...now all the medicos are happy with my numbers.

Dex, how do you really feel? LOL

Hey, what do you think about Lance coming out of retirement?

Dex, no, the docs have never put me on statins - they've low salted me a time or two, which dropped BP AND lipids (I never knew), but I end up getting back on the salt (hidden only - never added.

If mankind won't reduce numbers voluntarily, Mother Nature will be glad to help.

The Disappearing Male

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/disappearingmale/

Jamie - didn't affect me. LP was conceived during the 1st month after Mrs. P went off the pill - and much wqicker than we had expected I might add. Of course youcould asy that my sperm count since has dropped to zero - also a planned event.

preview, Pogo, preview. damn typos.

pogo..a month ago we read that Lance Armstrong had "apparently changed his mind" and was dedicating all his time to his "Livestrong" activities.
Well, now the worm has turned. Good luck to him, but the TDF would have had just as much appeal to me with or without him.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~And now...GOOD NEWS for all the Scarborough / Mika sycophants!
Starting in 27 minutes, you can hear those two knuckleheads live-streaming on your computer at WABC.com .
Yep...they now follow Imus , 10:00 AM.
And yeah...I am listening to Imus right now, but only for Rob doing his "Dr. Phil"...and yes, he did call Imus an A-hole!

John Lennon...28 years gone...RIP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GmVajkqLNU&feature=related

Dex -- I also really like Chuck Todd....and agree that Imus has really gone downhill. he could always be an ass...but he's seldom even an amusing ass anymore.

This is bad news.

"Brazil Coffee Output May Fall 22% on Credit Crunch "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amdqgu62F39I&refer=home

I'd better pour me another cup of coffee.

Jack

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Presidents aren't expected to make a profit and the Presidential yacht is gone so one itty bitty plane with military escort hardly matters at all.

patsi...CLICK ...just heard Imus say "I LOVE RUSH LIMBAUGH...AND SEAN HANNITY..." while talking to Holmes on the radio...enough!! (..why torture myself?)

" I am one of those hereditary cholesterol timebombs. I don't eat a lot of fat or red meat, but my overall level is pretty high anyway"

Heredity is a bitch, Pogo....you never know when your genes will turn on you. Strangely, three of the healthiest people I've ever known -- no smoking, little or no drinking, little or no no bad food -- all died fairly young -- under fifty. All of obscure cancers.

In talking with the families of a couple of them, I realized that a LOT of the family had died young of cancer. So -- truth is, if they hadn't taken care of themselves, they might have bought the farm in their thirties....

Divalicias: I watched that VERY CREEPY movie last week , The Killing of John Lennon...showed the viewpoint of MD Chapman...the shooting scene was too much, made me ill.
It's been 28 years and it seems like yesterday... a minute ago.

Pogo

While the numbers for infertility have increased significantly, the chemical soup that surrounds us is having even more consequential effects:

"At the same time, boys are now far more at risk of suffering from ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia. '

Patsi : a good friend of mine grew up along the Maumee River is a small city.
On his block, six houses in a row had multiple residents who died of cancer within a YEAR.
Everyone suspected the PCBs in the city water.
I know heredity will kill ya, we never asked for help in dying! (In my previous I identified Alan Colmes as Holmes...Sorry about that!)

Dex -- am I remembering wrong, or did Imus used to make fun of Limbaugh?

"At the same time, boys are now far more at risk of suffering from ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia"

Jamie -- I've certainly noticed that with the autism figures....also dyslexia and ADHD -- did not know about Cerebral palsy....do they have any ideas about why>

"And Chris Dodd is saying that the top brass at GM has to go because they've done a bad job...I feel a little like that about a few old Senators, Mr. Dodd.....

Patsi gets my quote of the day......

Jack....
I didn't read the article..... just the headline....
I don't care who is or isn't the past or the present of the GOP..... just bringing up the fact that the GOP doesn't think it's dead.... despite what some on this blog think....

Dex..... is that really you?..... I don't recognize you if it isn't past midnight..... :0)

Dex -- your post reminded me that around my part of Kansas we seemed to have a LOT of cases of MS. Much more than the number you'd expect.

rob bartlett used to do limbo while rattling a bottle of pills in his hand.....

Patsi,

This is one link off of the initial article

http://www.healthyenvironmentforkids.ca/english/father_s_day_report.pdf

There are several others. Apparently, the male brain is more susceptible to damage in utero. Then in childhood, most of our homes are chemical cesspools that leads to other development damages.

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Patsi,

Is there a histroy of Scandanavian settling in your area? One of the questions always asked when MS is suspected is country of origin for the family.

Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_obama;_ylt=ApKmxFnFtBDXoOovpo6tMLxMEP0E

Next case!

Patsi

The Ol' Possum got a Kennedy Center Honor along with Streisand, Tharp, Morgan Freeman, and Roger Daltry

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jsoqHoBK-pzlpYYePsROPdhFAjMgD94U97AG0

Oops

Let off Pete Townshend

I wonder if George (the possum) will show up..........

We have special containers that the village requires us to put plastic milk bottles in and other plastics------I was working near where they dump these special mtl------followed the truck ----and saw that they dumped it right in the middle of all the other garbage that is thrown out---I watched about 5-6 trucks do the same---so much for that myth.

Obama should smoke or not smoke,,,why control him ----and so should anyone else----I light up about once every few months,,,when having a few-drinks ,,,,i think they went overboard when they outlawed smoking in bars-----wtf---you can stagger out of there,,,and get in you car---they should have to pass a breath test in order for your car to start--what im glad they did is to not allow smoking at office buildings---or public ones,,,,,If I had employees in the office I would not let them go out of the building and smoke---what a waste of time, unless itls thier lunch or break time----Oh and legalize weed also--will cut down on the gang violence,not towards each other,,,but the people that buy from them ---they are always getting hurt, and robbed.----later, gonna hit the bow flex ,going to get off this box before it absorbs all of my time---you are all too interesting and can't get off sometimes.

t

But Gordo the "Super Patriot" still has Michelle's "racist rant' tape

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Sturgeone,

"No-Show" did show.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/showbiz/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20081208/00221917eae80aa6bbc71d.jpg

"Is there a histroy of Scandanavian settling in your area? "

I don't think so, Jamie -- trying to think of the names of folks in the area....

Yeah -- I don't think Nancy Jones would allow George off the reservation for that one....

What's a tazor?

While those of Scandanavian descent aren't the only ones to get MS, the incidence in that group is higher in much the same way that you find Tay Sachs in Jewish heritage or Sickle Cell in African background.

jamie - I may indeed have one of those other problems - only no doc's ever told me I do so I go on, blissfully ignorant and happier as a result.

Luckily, aside from having 12 year old smart ass syndrome, LP doesn't seem affected by any of the stuff kids used to have but go undiagnosed with. (12yosas has been known for centuries, of course).

The chemical soup is definitely not a good thing for the kids, but I'm one of those folks who's skeptical about at least a bit of the reported rise in those problems and attributing the rise to chemicals in the environment. They may contribute, but the models that are used to tie observed problems to known environmental toxins are very weak. And it's a lot easier to find something if you set out looking for it. I've seen enough kids who are just little shits who have been diagnosed ADHD and given meds when they aren't any different than some of their friends who haven't been diagnosed, labeled, medicated, tagged and released back into the schools. I've also seen kids the meds have helped who wouldn't have gotten them 30 years ago, so it's a mixed bag IMHO. Dyslexia has emerged as a subset of what they used to call LD, and I believe that it was a common but unrecognized problem that most people who were victims of learned coping skills on their own or just underacheived. I'm convinced my best friend from HS & college was an undiagnosed dyslexic. I'm sure some were called MR or borderline when in fact they were not (friend was not - he was bright as hell). The coping strategies and learning skills that have been developed to overcome the issue in its various forms have helped lots of kids, I'm sure. Obviously autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy are different matters, and I have no idea what the numbers are for them over about the past 50 years.

Now if they can just find the cause for 12yosas (other than surviving beyond the 12th birthday) and a cure other than killing the little bastards.

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I think I said "I told you so" if not, I told you so.

heheheh.

Yeah -- I don't think Nancy Jones would allow George off the reservation for that one....

lol, but George was a renegade!

for once he possumed TO the show.....lol

"12 year old smart ass syndrome"

ROFL! Pogo -- I think my son had that too! I think it only lasted a year or two....of course, then it turns into know-it-all-syndrome....:)

Patsi, the only 12 year old boys who don't have the syndrome are kids I wouldn't want as a son. LP is already showing symptos of KIAS. Precocious child.

Just wanted to pop in long enough to comment on the smoking thing. As an ex-smoker, I always swore that I wouldn't do the old "if I can quit, you can too" thing.
Because honesty, I 'm not sure how I did it and I'm terrfied that if I ever put a smoke in my mouth again, that I be able to quit again. It is proven one of the hardest addictions to break. I can understand if someone can't. That's all.

patsi: as Sturgee alluded to, Imus used to ridicule Limbaugh ...and call Cheney a pork chop butt war criminal...and make fun of Hannity and FOX Noise......now his guests are Neil Cavuto and others who are just horrible guests...all right wingers except for when Kerry or Frank Rich or Craig may show up...............I listened a bit to the new Scarborough WABC streaming show....Scarbucket going right after Wm. Ayers for the recent NYT op-ed Ayers wrote......read that if you have not yet, btw

This is a few days old, but I hadn't seen it and enjoy a positive read on Hillary.

Hillary Clinton: The new survivor
"Hillary Rodham Clinton has a favorite expression for turning setback into opportunity: “Bloom where you’re planted.”

Her three-decade career on the public stage has produced countless examples of Clinton sprouting a flower in a pile of manure.

...... “She has a remarkable ability to move on from adversity, focus on the next task at hand and adapt”

This was no surprise : "..she disliked being relegated to the role of spousal appendage and the traditional teas and other ceremonies that came with that."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16135.html

Off to support my countries economy.

"lol, but George was a renegade!"

George parked his car on the street in front of Nashville's Spence Manor one afternoon in the late '70s. He stumbled out of the car and headed into the Spence. He left the car door wide open, and the great singer/songwriter Mickey Newbury was walking along, so he stopped to close it. When he got up to it, he noticed a grocery size paper sack had fallen off the seat and money was falling out. Mickey grabbed it all up together and went into the Spence after Jones. When he found him, Jones said, "Oh, yeah -- I'm runnin' short so Waylon gave me some walkin' around money."

Newbury said there was probably thirty or forty thousand dollars in the bag.

rosiecat....I posted a pic of my fave hockey skater on your FBook....and I feel the same way about a drink for me....one drink (or also one cigarette) and I am back to Square One).
Three weeks from today I'll have 16 years off the alcoholic beverages....eleven days from today I'll have 27 years off cigarettes.

mickey newbury wrote "just dropped in to see what condition my condition is in"
kenny knew where to go for songs.........

Try living with rampant cases of both syndromes. My 12 year old grandson is just at the beinning of the smart ass affliction and his 45 year old father's all too willing accomplice behavior doesn't help.

Is there a justifiable homicide defense here?

Pogo, I do agree that many of the "diagnosed" ailments are the result of poor parenting or lack of classroom control ... keep 'em doped up and they won't behave like chidlren.

My son is dyslexic and he didn't really read until the 5th grade but then he turned into a book worm. It is still an effort for him. They tried to talk me into ritalin for his hyper activity and I tried it for awhile before dumping the bottle and going back to diet and loving discipline..

He got told to "go run for a mile" a lot to get rid of some of the bouncing off the walls behavior, but we got through it without violence either to him or myself.

"going right after Wm. Ayers for the recent NYT op-ed Ayers wrote......read that if you have not yet, btw"

Don't know if I can stomach Ayers....back in the day, the Weather Underground made it harder for real pacifists to convince people of the cause. I really hated that crowd. He can pontificate all he wants to now, but they were a bunch of thugs who didn't help the anti-war movement.

" I'll have 16 years off the alcoholic beverages....eleven days from today I'll have 27 years off cigarettes."

That's great! I always stand in awe of people who can quit bad habits. I can't even give up coffee!

". My 12 year old grandson is just at the beinning of the smart ass affliction and his 45 year old father's all too willing accomplice behavior doesn't help. "

ROFL! (My daughter says I need to stop laughing everytime the granddaughter gets a little above the three year old pay grade....)

No surprise. We all know SCOTUS always makes the correct decision.

How many of you even know what DONOFRIO V. WELLS is about? Who is Roger Calero?"

The "natural born" question has not been answered.
======================
"The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth _ his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject _ he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/World/Default.aspx?id=346086
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"If this therefore means the end of the road for this case at SCOTUS, it basically means the matter should be handled back at the State level. Be aware that when the Supremes make such denials, it is not precedent-setting."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1714

Patsi

Based on the few interviews I've seen of Ayers,

William Ayers = pompous ass.

Every time he opens his mouth, he gives liberalism a bad name.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180317

jamie, sounds like good parenting to me Yours, that is - I can't comment on your grandson's father's - a little too close to home). I wouldn't expect anything else. IMHO, Ritalin has hurt more kids than it has helped.

Gordo, you continue to travel hopefully, but state courts won't have any say after the EC meets.

Experts urge wider use of brain-boosting drugs

"We call for a presumption that mentally competent adults should be able to engage in cognitive enhancement using drugs," said the writers, who include Stanford law Professor Henry Greely and neuropsychology Professor Barbara Sahakian at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom. "From assembly line workers to surgeons, many different kinds of employee may benefit from enhancement and want access to it, yet they may also need protection from the pressure to enhance."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/08/MNHG14I85V.DTL

KGC

Where is my pill?
I think I need it.

Remember, Experience and guile beat brains and beauty.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180324

kc, lol. I remember thinking osme of the drugs we used to use were brain enhancing, too, plus I liked the patterns and colors I didn't recognize otherwise.

some (idiot)

LOL - from today's Times:

"The Chicago Tribune has also followed the rumor mill relentlessly. And PolitiFact, one of the premier fact-checking sites during this election year, mined the issues of the embossed seal of verification, etc. endlessly.

"There is still another case out there, challenging the president-elect’s right to assume the presidency based on his parentage and the years he spent overseas in Indonesia.

This is the kind of doubt-bending thing that lives independently online, but from the looks of today’s decision by the highest court in the land, the accusation isn’t gaining much ground in the realm of reality."

Kinda sums it up IMHO.

"Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.

Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.

The people that he's put into the judicial branch may have decided cases, and all of that needs to be unzipped ... ."

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20210273

Thought for the day :
" He who laughs last probably doesn`t understand the joke. "

1765 Eli Whitney inventor (Cotton Gin)
1911 Lee J Cobb New York NY, actor (Virginian, 12 Angry Men, On the Waterfront)

1776 George Washington's retreating army crosses Delaware River from New Jersey
1863 Abraham Lincoln announces plan for Reconstruction of South
1874 Jesse James gang takes train at Muncie KS
1931 Coaxial cable patented
1956 Guy Mitchell's "Singing the Blues" single goes #1 for 10 weeks

Guy Mitchell - Singing the Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06D2lZcxqfA

"The Chicago Tribune has also followed the rumor mill relentlessly."
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Rumor? This is from SoetorObama's own site:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
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"That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180329

Impressive credentials. SFW? Never happened in the past, so that's what we in the legal field call speculation. The Court doesn't consider the case to have sufficient merit for them to take the matter up now, and I wouldn't bet they'll see more merit later. And it won't likely go back down to or come back up from state courts. Berg's case has less chance of success. I'd find a new windmill.

Gogi Grant - The Wayward Wind (1956)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7GBLRJ5Ac

Gordo, you have committed the sin of omission.

"Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Just following your quote from the website. Kinda weakens the suggestion of your quote, don't it?

A new study finds that certain brain functions of some low-income 9- and 10-year-olds pale in comparison with those of wealthy children and that the difference is almost equivalent to the damage from a stroke.

Study: Poverty dramatically affects children's brains

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-12-07-childrens-brains_N.htm

So he's still a closet smoker & maybe a closet moderate, as well. Give the guy a chance.

From the so arrogant it's ridiculous department:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081208/bs_nm/us_merrill_bonus

"...also weighing the fact that other Wall Street firms, including Goldman Sachs Group Inc, which did better than Merrill this year, are not giving out bonuses to top executives.."

More Evidence The Aging Brain Is Easily Distracted

ScienceDaily (Dec. 7, 2008) — Canadian researchers have found more evidence that older adults aren't able to filter out distracting information as well as younger adults.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081125181035.htm

"Wrotnowksi v. Connecticut Secretary of State is still pending as an emergency application resubmitted to the Honorable Associate Justice Antonin Scalia as of last Tuesday. I worked extensively on that application and it includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower Court procedural history.

After six days, it’s interesting that Scalia neither denied it nor referred it to the full Court.

On the chance that SCOTUS was looking at both my case and Cort’s case, I must stress that Cort’s case does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does. It may be that without a decision on the Judicial misconduct allegation correcting the NJ Appellate Division case file, SCOTUS might have been in the position of not being able to hear my case as it would appear that my case was not before them on the proper procedural grounds."

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/donofrio-application-denied-wrotnowski-application-still-pending/

Gordo, do live in NJ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_obama

"The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth."

G Man. . Is that the guy who laced his court papers with Anthrax?

Gordo, try to get your mind around this - from the wingnut site you linked:

"If Cort’s application is also denied then the fat lady can sing. Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort’s application before SCOTUS incorporates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on the arguments in Cort’s quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it."

Now think about this - Here Donofrio is saying that the points and authorities in Cort's application are the same as his, but his arguments were better than Cort's. Everything about why the court declined to hear the case beyond the conference stage is speculation.

Gingrich Slammed Pols "Beholden" to Fannie and Freddie -- But Shilled For Freddie Himself

The Associated Press reports today that in 2006, Freddie Mac paid the former House Speaker $300,000 to help fight off potential regulation. "Gingrich talked and wrote about what he saw as the benefits of the Freddie Mac business model," says the wire service.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/gingrich_slammed_pols_beholden.php

bob,what was that???

Really, Gingrich being a hypocrit? Tell me it isn't so!!

The party of ideas Pogo , the party of ideas.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Blackwater-Prosecution.html?hp

"Blackwater Worldwide security guards used machine guns and grenade launchers against unarmed Iraqi civilians, some who had their hands up, federal prosecutors said Monday in announcing manslaughter indictments against five guards.

"A sixth guard admitted in a plea deal to killing at least one Iraqi in the 2007 shooting in Baghdad's Nisoor Square. Seventeen Iraqis were killed in the assault, which roiled U.S. diplomacy with Iraq and fueled anti-American sentiment abroad.

"The five guards surrendered Monday and were due to ask a federal judge for bail.

''The tragic events in Nisoor Square on Sept. 16 of last year were shocking and a violation of basic human rights,'' FBI Assistant Director Joseph Persichini said."

Persichini has had the lock on his office door changed and his office and cell phones unlisted, fearing a call or unannounced visit from Vice President Cheney.

Ok, I added that last part.:-)

Al Gore meets Obama in Chicago tomorrow.

True enough, Bob, true enough - too bad they aren't real world ideas.

"Here Donofrio is saying that the points and authorities in Cort's application are the same as his, but his arguments were better than Cort's."

"... but his arguments were better than Cort's."

What does that mean? You don't know the history of these cases. Cort Wrotnowksi is not a lawyer.
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"I worked extensively on that application and it includes a more solid brief ...

... but we improved on the arguments in Cort’s quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it."

Donofrio's site:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/donofrio-application-denied-wrotnowski-application-still-pending/

Pogo,
Did the SCOTUS say why they wouldn't hear the case? Are they even required to say why they won't hear a specific case?

Chloe -
The transit story was really revealing, the 11 month drop in miles driven is an eye opener. The story of the decline, has been bubbling along for a while. It's hard to say exactly, but with the new number on Sept. drop .... We have driven 100,000,000,000 miles less in the last year.
Speaking as an America, I find this a really telling number about our country.

Blue -
Every time I read about credit default swaps, ...... it's always a WTF moment.

Volcanic Haze over Hawaii

Credit: NASA GSFC,

Dense, gray-white haze hung low over the Hawaiian Islands on December 3, 2008, when the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Aqua satellite captured this image.

http://www.redorbit.com/images/images-of-the-day/

Why bother with SCOTUS. If the evidence is that compelling then I'm sure a state court ruling would have the same impact...

From the Red Orbit page -
On November 26, 2008, a measurement of sulfur dioxide at the summit showed that the volcano was releasing 500 tonnes of the gas per day. The average rate between 2003 and 2007 had been 140 tonnes per day, said the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
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The world's most active volcano is stepping up it's out put.

It just seems to me that if it's state election board that accepts a candidate qualifications then it should be a state court that should hear a legal challenge to that qualification

jax, they just denied the application - that's their practice. It's just speculationon my part, but my read is that they have NO interest in the subject.

Gordo's obviously not a lawyer either; and I have followed both cases - in fact I have both read and commented on them here, with you, but since I didn't agree with your wingnut take on them, you wouldn't remember that. Gordo, if a lawyer citing the same points and authorities, but with better arguments (i.e. more well developed arguments based upon those points and authoritie), than a non lawyer, has his application denied, what do you think the chances of the non-lawyer's application being accepted are? Let me give you a hint - less chance than the lawyer had. Of the Berg, Donofrio and Cort cases, Donofrio's appeared to have the best chance to me.

Bob,
Wonder who will bill the volcano for exceeding it's cap and trade allocation....laughs.....oh I forgot...that's good pollution...it's natural

So essentially the SCOTUS chooses to hear cases based on what they have an interest in......I wonder why they wouldn't have an interest?

Can anyone truly explain to me what is a "Liberal"? I always thought Hillary was one, but according to the Politico article Obama has no liberals in his upcoming administration...

Gordo -- here's a book that has far more interesting conspiracy theories....buy it and report back in six weeks.

http://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Files-Real-life-Paranoia-Intrigue/dp/0517224461

jax, you would be correct - the high court of a state would ordinarily have the last word about that state's election laws, assuming there is no federal question. Here. in order to get to the SCOTUS, the argument has to be that the state's election laws, as applied, violate the U.S. Constitution by allowing the election in their primary of a person unqualified under the USC of serving as president, raising a federal question that gives the federal Courts jurisdiction to hear the matter IF the federal courts agree with that argument. The real problem is what remedy could be granted in such a suit. The federal courts have no authority to re-write the laws of the states, so what would result from a successful suit is really up in the air. Normally an offending law is struck down and the states then have to re-write their laws in an effort to comply with the U.S. Constitution. That can take several iterations, and different mechanisms have been developed - largely evidenced in the bussing cases - to deal with such problems.

It just seems to me that a state court could be found that would be more likely to hear this case and rule on its merits....I would think that a positive ruling from any state court would be sufficient to elevate this to the national level....

Jack -
Nothing "good" about large amounts of H2S.

I agree....I think that the popular focus on carbon has moved the discussion away from the real pollutants like, H2S, NOX and VOC's....it's a shame.....there has been some real progress on addressing those.

"... the latest runaround in the judicial flim-flam of “who lacks ‘standing’ to demand production of Barack Obama’s original Hawaiian birth certificate (if one actually exists)” has just taken place. According to a newspaper report, Hawaiian Judge Bert Ayabe has dismissed a suit filed by one Andy Martin, on the ground that Martin “does not have a direct and tangible interest in the vital statistic records being sought, namely the birth certificate of President Obama.

Perhaps one may gauge the circumspection and even-handedness with which Ayabe approached the case by recalling that Barack Obama is not yet “the President of the United States,” ... So Ayabe’s decision exhibits a rather strong undercurrent of question-begging and special pleading."

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm

They don't have an interest likely because they don't believe that the plaintiffs in any of the cases can prevail based upon the evidence they can bring to the court. It's really a complex matter to bring a fully developed record before the court - which is normally done through the trial court discovery and evidence process. That has not happened in these cases, so the record is not fleshed out. The Supreme Court does not care what the lawyers think are valid facts - and they will not try a case as a trial court, making determinations of what documents are authentic or are admissible, what testimony is or is not hearsay or subject to exceptions to the hearsay rule and the like. Whether in state or federal court, that is done at the trial court level by magistrates and judges or special evidence commissioners that do that sort of thing routinely.

Here's a question for people to ponder - if Obama was born in Hawaii - or at least claims to have be, which has been confirmed by Hawaiian officials, and the birth certificate that could be dispositive of that issue is in the hands of Hawaiian officials, why has no one (no lawyer at least) brought suit against Obama and Hawaii in Hawaii, which is the only state jurisdiction (full faith and credit and all that jazz) that can compel the production of the original? And if not in HI state court, why not Federal District court of HI? After all, he was nominated in their primary and is no less ineligible to serve in one jurisdiction or another in which he won the primary. I could tell you the answer, but let's see who gets the answer correct first.

I wonder what the out put of H2S from all our coal plants world wide was for that same 24 hrs.
Be a hell of a number to get together.

hypo to pogo: if the highest court in a large state (ie one with many electoral counts) took gordo's case but could not reach a decision by january 6th,
1. would the ec vote tally be postponed?
2. would the tally go forth but that state not be counted?
3. would there be more/less sarah jokes and
4. would we be rioting in the streets?

LOL. Martin is an internet reporter seeking to see the original birth certificate so that he could do a thorough job of reporting - try to find a legal basis for that suit. He pulled the grounds for his suit out of his arse and should have expected it to be dismissed. Hawaii state law precludes him getting what he asked for. The trick is often not to win, but to keep the suit alive long enough to conduct discovery. He never got past the threshold.

patd -
1. no
2. yes, but no
3. yes - more
4. no (you might, but we wouldn't)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180374

I can think of at least 2 answers that would warrant an "A" in response to my question. See if you can guess either or can show me other "A" answers.

Anyone? Anyone? Beuhler?

thanks, send bill to gordo; but be merciful. withdrawal is hard when nicorette and patches can't help.

Jack -
Volcanoes and the net, what can I say. Makes an old volcanophile like me happy as a clam. I've been posting unless info on volcanoes all my life.

My plastic dinosaur world always had lots of volcanoes going off.

OK, 5 more minutes - then I post my "A" answers. Note - only one of them requires ANY knowledge of the law.

"... if Obama was born in Hawaii - or at least claims to have be, which has been confirmed by Hawaiian officials ..."
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"Similarly, many have claimed that the Hawaiian Health Department has issued a formal statement asserting that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and the images of the certifications of live birth circulating on the internet are valid Hawaii birth certificates. However, on closer inspection, a lot of these purported official statements by the Hawaiian Health Department seem to evaporate."

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/hawaiian-health-department.html

c-bob, how do these folks rank in the world of vocanophiles? and are they really "real" time as they advertise?
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/

pogo, what's the prize for correct answer?

It ain't much patd - other than being held in high esteem by people who blog here.

Boy you guys are really grinding the ole' wheel today.

This deal makes the O.J. Story look like brain surgery .
This is like a internet slow speed Bronco chase, the guy is running through the neighborhood , the Bronco is laying on it's side next to the fireplug, yet we can't look away from a great helicopter shot.

The guy is about to jump his last fence, I can see the K-9 unit approaching on the infrared shot.

"why has no one (no lawyer at least) brought suit against Obama and Hawaii in Hawaii"

For the reason no one has gotten to step two. No harm, no standing, Frivolous.

Q: What kind of lawyer has the time to argue with a paranoid net troll all day long?

A: A shitty one!

*Buh Dum Ching*

Gordo, they were not official statements - they were statements by state officials who have responsibility over the subject matter in question. It's not exactly the same. People who say those statements were official statements are in error IMHO - not that "officail statement" means anything anyway.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180393

Answer - a bored one.

This Birth Certificate crowd has to start planning their fallback position.
The Obama Blossom Special is about to leave the platform, and they're still standing with the empty milk cans.

Rez, good answer - all of that is true, but the real question was why weren't those suits - the ones that got nowhere - brought in HI instead of PA, CT & everywhere else.

OK, enough - here are my "A" answers.

The Legal answer:
1. The standard for an administrative agency’s action – rational basis (or whatever analog the state in question uses for this lowest of all standards of proof for decisions) – is so low that suits are seldom successful and no one really thinks there is no rational basis for believing that Obama was born in Hawaii.
The real answer:
2. No one really believes the BC is a forgery or wants to win the suit and disqualify the guy – raising stupid questions about his citizenship is just more fun than doing anything meaningful.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180396

Tickets, please.

"Half of what I say is meaningless..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5A2IAgyQEg

Jan. 20 -

Then we can apply the 2000 recount logic. Get over it he's president.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-us-markets-stocks.html?_r=1

OMG. Weezy, I'm comin' to see you.

"raising stupid questions about his citizenship is just more fun than doing anything meaningful"

or a case of having more money than brains.

Hummm, pogo there maybe a buck in this,

Gordo,
It is obvious your people don't have qualified lawyers. Send me a $100 and I'll work on that problem for you.

Jack

"... none of the founding fathers could have been president since they were all the children of British subjects, and in fact no one would be have been eligible."
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"The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not ”natural born Citizens”. Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;..."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=914#more-914
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He admits to being a dual citizen at birth. If he was born in Kenya, then he was only a British citizen ( The five-year rule problem. I have never been able to confirm that update.)

He is Constitutionally ineligible for POTUS.

I'd like to poll the Birth Certificate Crowd, on their views of the SC sticking it's nose in the Fla. recount.

At some point, if these cases or ancillary ones keep up

From wiki:

"In the United States, Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and similar state rules require that an attorney perform a due diligence investigation concerning the factual basis for any claim or defense. . . sanctions may be imposed by a court upon the party or the lawyer who presents the frivolous defense or claim. The law firm may also be sanctioned, or even held in contempt.."

I assume State Courts have similar codes of conduct and sanctions.

"No one really believes the BC is a forgery ..."
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Forged images, phony photos, and felony fraud

"The following report is the culmination of over four months of intensive, empirical research whose sole purpose has been to determine if the images and photographs posted on the Internet are true reproductions of a genuine document purported to be Obama's original birth certificate. The idea for the research actually began from the time when the first image was posted on June 12 to the Daily Kos blog."

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy_forged_images,_phony_photos,_and_felony_fraud.thtml

Key G-phrase:

" I have never been able to confirm that update"

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- Tribune Co. said Monday that it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to restructure its nearly $13 billion debt load, a move that dramatically underscores the dire circumstances clouding the near-term future of the newspaper industry.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/tribune-co-files-chapter-11/story.aspx?guid={1392247C-8A56-4EA9-ADE2-EAF074604E30}&dist=msr_1

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The Rocky Mountain News, The L.A. Times, The Miami Herald, and The Trib. all this past week .

A train wreck of printing presses.

Reason for the UK sex trade to stay open 24/7...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7771299.stm

Another Trib paper -
Baltimore Sun.

Rez, they do - most have adopted the Federal Rules, with certain modifications. Rule 11 was pretty new when I was in law school - I wrote a seminar paper on it back then. The title of the paper - "Rule 11 Toothless Tiger." I put requests for sanctions under our Rule 11 in about 1 of 4 filings responding to stupid motions, etc. I've gotten them once in the past 15 years.

Polarik - a legend in his own mind.

OH, is DUMBO still around? I would have thought his conspiracy obsession would have done him in by now...

Well one can pick - up The Chicago Cubs, or the Honda Formula One Team at rock bottom prices.

BTW, I was surprised when he called the White House the Peoples' House.

Posted by: Flatus | December 8, 2008 8:46 AM

Why would that surprise you?

"Obviously the Supremes don't think that's case,"

That's not what this is about: Donofrio v. Wells

"On October 27, 2008, plaintiff-appellant, Leo Donofrio, a retired attorney acting Pro Se, sued Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey, in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Appellate Division, demanding the Secretary execute her statutory and Constitutional duties to police the security of ballots in New Jersey from fraudulent candidates ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States due to their not being “natural born citizens” as enumerated in Article 1, Section 2, of the US Constitution.

Unlike other law suits filed against the candidates, Berg etc., this action was the only bi-partisan suit, which sought to have both McCain and Obama removed for the same reason."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=709

So Gordy, are you going to obsess about Obama not being legally qualified to hold the office of the Presidency, for the remaining 8 years? Get over it !! :-)

Looks like we have an Albq. Low setting up -

http://radar.weather.gov/radar_lite.php?rid=icx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no

"I have never been able to confirm that update"

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: Distributed for Conference by Justice Scalia

"In a previous posting, Leo commented that Cort’s case is procedurally much more sound than his was."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1725

"Rule 11 Toothless Tiger."

Next year when someone (pro se) or some novice lawyer files a lawsuit stating that the law Obama signed was invalid because he's ineligible, gets a 10K sanction slapped on them. We'll see if these cases don't dry up.

Best headline today -
Studies show dogs have sense of fairness

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1501ap_sci_no_fair.html

Woman accused of trying to smoke pot near officer

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MUNCIE, Ind. -- Police said a woman was arrested after asking a state trooper whether she could smoke - and then trying to light up a marijuana joint. Honesty Knight, 32, was a passenger in a vehicle that Trooper Eric Perkins pulled over for a traffic violation early Friday. While the trooper was talking to the driver, Knight obtained the trooper's permission to smoke.

Honesty Knight, 32 from MUNCIE, Ind.

You go girl.

"Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: Distributed for Conference by Justice Scalia"

G Man,

They're just getting it from the Anthrax quarantine, that's all. Same fate as Donofrio awaits.

Neb. 'Butt Bandit' gets 13 months in jail

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

VALENTINE, Neb. -- A man dubbed the "Butt Bandit" for making greasy imprints of his nether parts on windows in the north-central Nebraska city of Valentine has been sentenced to more than a year in jail. Cherry County Attorney Eric Scott says police caught 35-year-old Thomas Larvie in the act on Nov. 19.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1120ap_crude_dude.html?source=mypi

Rez,

I'm not positive about this, but I believe that 5 year provision was different when Obama was born. Gordo made reference to it many moons ago, but I can't remember the details - was something like under the old law Obama was born on Tuesday, so he doesn't qualify - but if he'd been born on Wednesday ...

Most Rule 11 sanctions are for attorneys fees and any costs to the court as a result of a filing not based on the facts, the applicable law, or a good faith argument to change or extend the law. $10k might easily be within range.

Bob, who eeded a study to know that about dogs?

"BTW, I was surprised when he called the White House the Peoples' House.

Posted by: Flatus | December 8, 2008 8:46 AM

Why would that surprise you? "

Because it's the Executive Mansion. The Peoples' House is the House of Representatives.

Honesty Knight, meet the "Butt Bandit" .... 35-year-old Thomas Larvie of Valentine Neb.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180427

Tough moniker to take into jail.

Christmas Wars -

Capitol anti-religion sign shows up at Seattle radio station

P-I STAFF

A controversial sign espousing an anti-religious statement and exhibited at the state's Capitol building near other holiday displays was apparently removed from the building and taken to a Seattle radio station.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/390844_sign06.html
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Good old Seattle.

Flatus,
Yeah...I kinda cringed at that People's House statement....

Pogo,

All this "would" applies only if he was born in Kenya.
I didn't read the text of the updated laws but I think the 5 year rule was amended in 94 for minor aged parents.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html#1994

WASHINGTON -- Congressional Democrats on Monday sent the White House a draft of a roughly $15 billion auto bailout they aim to bring to a vote this week, but White House officials gave a cool initial response.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1153ap_congress_autos.html?source=mypi

I think the government should just buy GM and Ford at market price. Then put a pistol to the head of the Chrysler boys. What I heard the other day was that Benz stripped out all of the engineers of Chrysler. No engineers no future.

Rez. yeah, I know that. That's why I mentioned the hearsay bit way up north of this post. That "born in Kenya" stuff was based on hearsay statements of his grandmother and aunt(?), and nothing more reported by one or more of those wingnut sites Gordo loves so much..

bob, that used to be Chrysler's rep - they could engineer one hell of a car, they just couldn't build it so it would run from day to day.

"They're just getting it from the Anthrax quarantine, that's all."
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December 2nd, 2008

"Cort Wrotnowski, Plaintiff in Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz, today hand delivered 10 copies his renewed Stay Application to the Supreme Court security booth this morning at 10:30am et (remember that someone at SCOTUS decided to re-route his mailed application because of “suspicions” of anthrax!)."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1359

Bob

Heard a tidbit on the local news, Ford is adding a second shift to their F 150 line at the local Claycomo plant.

jack

Merle Haggard -- If We Make It Through December

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IJxTd8dCo

"That "born in Kenya" stuff was based on hearsay statements of his grandmother and aunt(?), and nothing more reported by one or more of those wingnut sites Gordo loves so much."
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Kenya: 'I don't know' if Obama born in U.S

"In an exclusive interview with WND today, Ogego was specifically asked whether Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen.

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

He continued with a rhetorical question: "Obama is an American, isn't he?"

On Nov. 6, only two days after the election, Detroit radio talk-show hosts Mike Clark, Trudi Daniels and Marc Fellhauer on WRIF's "Mike In The Morning" called the Embassy of Kenya in Washington, D.C., to speak with Ambassador Ogego.

The interview with the Kenyan ambassador was widely publicized after he called President-elect Barack Obama's Kenyan birthplace a "well-known" attraction:

(Hear the Kenyan ambassador's interview with WRIF radio at link:)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82060

A little stock market bailout humor.

"How to Pay for National Health Insurance"

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/how-to-pay-for-national-health-insurance/

a new low even for you, gordo.

Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q

Gordo has a special form of Tourettes...can't stop himself.

gordo's just tryin' to make a living, folks.......his job is obviously to just keep throwing it out there.......nice work, actually, if you can get it........

Hey, a gig's a gig and jobs are disappearing.....it's the american entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in good old Gordo.............

Hurray........the kids get BURGERS tonight!

lol

Patsi,

I am just catching up on my lurking and found you answer to my question. I asked if you had any connections to La. during my Sunday morning coffee lurk and now I am doing my after work lurk.

You have friends in Lake Arthur. That is just down the road from where I live, Lake Charles. It is a nice little town.

You said you smoke, drink and eat fatty foods. You could be from La. Here we believe in quality not quantiy of life.

Carol

i played lake charles oncet.......club across the street from the big jail.......went to the 24 hr Italian restaurant next door to thibideau's to eat the whole 2 weeks.......nice times in old ray charles, loosiana

In several locations, the White House is referred to as the Peoples House, particularly by the First Ladies when they invite the public to attend special events such as Christmas and TV tours etc.

http://www.whitehousehistory.org/10/subs/10_a.html

ET, maybe liberals are like conservatives. No matter how much of one you think you are, people will always question you. You're not a real liberal. You're not a real conservative.

lol

ignorance gives his opinion

Sturge,

We do have some good food around these parts. Should have tried some cajun cuisine. It's better than our Italian cuisine. Was the jail close to the lake back then? It is now across town and a lot bigger. All those people trying to grab some quality.

I assume you were/are in a band? What do/did you play?

Jamie

I wonder what the going rate will be to stay over night at the "peoples house"

Jack

we went to the italian joint after playing every night.....we also had our share of cajun foods as well.....yes, band, piano guitar and banjer etc.......the joint was called the Seven Seas and anyone going into it across the parking lot was subjected to howls and screams from the 3 or 4 story jail across the street....

y'all got a lake there??

lol

James Broe and 11 other Washington voters have filed in Washington’s Supreme Court to have the votes cast for Senator Obama set aside, because he failed to establish that he was even an American citizen running under his own name at the time of the election, let alone a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution. Unlike other cases that have been dismissed for lack of standing, these plaintiffs have standing under a unique Washington statute that allows any registered voter to challenge the election of someone who, at the time of the election, was ineligible to hold the office.

The Secretary of State’s office has already admitted it did nothing to determine Senator Obama’s eligibility, ..."

http://decalogosintl.org/?p=46

Yes Surge, a big lake right across the street from where the Seven Seas and jail used to be. The Seven Seas has been gone for years now. It is a good thing you didn't walk too far west from where your were or you would have fallen in. I guess you are joking or you were smoking or drinking too much at the time.

Elvis Presley - Heartbreak Hotel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Qo1eaWF8c

back in '80...............the summer thereof..............we never paid much attention to the landscape...........

"You have friends in Lake Arthur. That is just down the road from where I live, Lake Charles. It is a nice little town.
You said you smoke, drink and eat fatty foods. You could be from La. Here we believe in quality not quantiy of life. "

Now you know why I love Louisiana so much! I never ate better than when I was in the Lake Arthur area...where else can you order a scotch and water at a drive through????

Plus, Carol -- Little Russell Gary of gator fame told me that I wasn't kidding anybody -- "You a coonass an' I know it!"

Had some of the best boudin in the world at a place close to Lake Arthur -- can't remember the name but I think it's renowned...even though just a hole in the wall....

Oh, and Carol -- I got this print from Floyd Sonnier, of the Iota Mardi Gras....and later sent it with my son to Wash DC....everyone in DC could use a little Mardi Gras....

http://www.beaucajun.com/

Anyone remember a movie called 'Southern Comfort'? It was like 'Deliverance' except set in the Louisiana bayou. It was a cool movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUqVzOt1qOc
Ry Cooder did the sound tract.

An interesting chart of gas prices. We hit the highs in june and ever since have been in freefall.
Gas is a $1.30 at the quick Trip on the corner of Truman and Sterling in independence MO.

The wife ask me yesterday if I thought it could go under a buck. I replyed that I gave up guessing last month. I've seen no bottom yet and 30cents ain't far to fall.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24

Jack

Hey Whskyjack,

How bout them Sooners.. . kicked some Asses (mules)

Now looking for some Gators' hide to chew.

I get the feeling some of you doubt me on the local gas prices

here is a great county by county map color coding gasprices

zoom in on western MO and see the dark green area that is Kansas City.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

Just before hurricane Rita there was a movie, Little Chenier, a Cajun Story, filmed here. Most of it was filmed on my river, the Calcasieu river, where my camp is. It didn't have a big market, played at small film festivals. The movie was OK but the scenery was great, at least to me it was.

"Anyone remember a movie called 'Southern Comfort'? It was like 'Deliverance' except set in the Louisiana bayou. It was a cool movie."

Rosie -- my favorite line in that movie: "This swamp's our home. We don' like nobody fu(k with us." And yes -- great soundtrack!!!!

Rez

I think the Sooners should join the NFL(except they would all have to take a paycut) then they could use the chiefs as a farm team.

Jack

The CEO of Merrill Lynch wants 10 million bonus from tax payers money. How do you vote? For me it's a hell noooooo. Actually I would like it all back. It didn't work.

Hell Jack,

The DOC team would suffer.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180456

Jack,

In this White House it is likely to be a gaggle of pajama clad 10 year olds. I doubt they will be carrying heavy pocket books.

Just for you Rez

Boomer Sooner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU3H4QJ0DBE

Jack

LOL @ Jack,

Cheerleaders
Your wife's been gone to long !

I don't know Jamie,
Obama seems very much the traditionalist. This has been a tradition for at least the last 30 years.

Jack

ESPN predicting Chiefs will draft the OU Sooners quarterback.

LOL

Rez, tell me about it.

We had a good half a day yesterday though.

Jack

Jack

It is their private home. I assume that from time to time, you have houseguests and they will do the same.

Don't convict the Obamas of protitution unless you see the cash left on the dresser.

Corey

All I can say is poor kid,

Maybe he can play a couple of years in canada.

Jack

why would a team from kansas city be named after a bunch of Naval petty officers?

Sturge

It's because we are the steak capital of the world and we have a very bad school system They were supposed to be the "Chefs"
Lamar Hunt was so tight with a dollar that rather than buy new uniforms he changed the name of the team.

And thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-wants-faster-morgage-fix.html#comment-180313

Hey Chloe
Thanks so much for that Politico link! It was such a good read.I love reading all those nice things about Hillary.I was at Super Walmart this afternoon and Tamika a young woman checked me out,I hadn't seen her since the primaries and we talked politics.I laughed as she said "Hillary is my girl". Tamika told me she cried when Hillary lost out on the nomination.I told her I had many tears regarding Hillary also and how Wonderful it is she's going to be Sec of State.Tamika also said it took her a long time to back Obama and she told me that her being black made it so rough on her,but she said she stood her ground cause "Hillary is my girl".HA HA, love her!!!

"The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny President-elect Barack Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president ..."

This statement is NOT correct -- it's either made out of ignorance or for the purpose of misleading the uninformed reader.

This is about the CONSTITUTION !!!

ROFL @ Rez and Jack -- I spent two summer "terms" at cheerleader clinic in Norman...Boomer Sooners!!!!!

(We high school cheerleaders got to know a few OU football players...and as an indication why I finally realized I had INCREDIBLY bad taste in men, I ended up dating Joe Don Looney for a while...)

no him not.

Are you speaking to me, Bry?

Hey Tony,
Thanks for that story about you and Tamika's conversation. A fellow Hillary admirer! I enjoyed that Politico story too. She's doing well.
.........................

U.S. Could Take Stakes in Big 3
Bailout Plan Gives Government Warrants in Exchange for Loans; Passage Uncertain
"Congress and the White House inched toward agreement on legislation that would throw a financial lifeline to the Big Three auto makers, giving the government a substantial ownership stake in the industry and a central role in its restructuring."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122875608562688401.html

The Office: Takin' Care of Business
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlZi01Hm-8

him talk to himself?

Me not understand him.

Obama: Don't stock up on guns
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article

Jamie

It is also their political home, come on you know better. The question isn't will they. Obama ia a politician with a savy team behind him. The question is what will it cost. Remember cost doesn't always = money.

Jack

Hey Sea
If your around?You have mail...

Well people are stocking up on guns and ammo. I was at a local Walmart and I saw a guy buy about $400 worth of ammunition. Also speaking with a guy that works at a gun store, he said that they have had a very hard time keeping guns in stock.

Rosie

Just took a peek at your face---and face book too-----you may not believe this but you look a lot like my wife Judy--she now dyes her hair but she has the same thickness and quality,that you do----I can't tell how tall you r cos it so dark, and there is nothing in the background that I could use as a gauge ----but Im thinking 5' 2" and cute as a button---no make that the whole coat,,,,,don't know how to make my pc whistle but Ill figure it out soon------- All I say is---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYh7mPfNXI#

Chloe

That WSJ had a good graphic. It looks like there are enough auto plants in Republican states to override a filibuster. That means this is all about Bush. It looks like an absolutely horrible solution for the Auto industry. Ford is in the best position as they may not need the funds and can eventually tell the government to take a hike. But they will also benefit from any union deal done by the other two.

Chloe

Gun collectors and speculators. They assume assault rifle imports will be banned so the value will go up. That and idiots.

It was a two dog night.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/07/2008-12-07_puppies_save_threeyearold_boy_lost_in_fr.html

Congratulations Folks-
This is officially the thickest, densest set of cross talk on the net. I've never seen such a rats nest, of people talking all at once.
-----
The mind reels.

"Gun collectors and speculators."

I didn't think about that Jack, for some reason. The first thing I thought of was oh, maybe there's going to be a shortage of guns. If others think the same thing, then that story will probably cause even more people to run out and buy guns. What Bow said about that guy buying $400 worth of Ammo surprised me. I don't know anything about the price of ammunition, but that sure sounds like a lot. I still think it's kinda bizarre that this is happening.

See you tomorrow.

What we've built here folks is a Solon.

---------------

This little party became a Solon today.

yeah, but.........

Cbob,

Come on, you have to know by now that this blog is a bunch of strange bed fellows. Many people here don't really want a conversation, they just want to state their unyielding points.

Merle Haggard The fightin' side of me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9m8hi7vJ0

So⋅lon   /ˈsoʊlən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-luhn] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. c638–c558 b.c., Athenian statesman.
2. (often lowercase) a wise lawgiver.
3. a town in N Ohio. 14,341.

EGAD! ANYTHING but a town in OHIO!

lol

welcome to schizophrenia.... flight of ideas

actually bob, I agree, but have seen no way out......a kind of sartre's "No Exit"............just figured I'd keep commenting and hope something would happen. As yet.........nada..........maybe it's time to succumb, eh?

Bowmanc

Most days it is all I can do to get the brain to creat my unyeilding posts.
Make it engage in conversation?

Thats asking a lot.

Jack

Well me and the ghost of Buddy Holly went down to see our friends on the Avenue by the same name tonight. We met an ambassador from the Great Callweld Kingdom and offered up our fieldty for this season. A hand full of gourds and all the flowers and fruit of 08'.

Not a bad bargain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx-TSSFLBjw&feature=related

Willie & Merle

No folks,
You miss my point.
Young Crawford, did not set out to make this pie. He just bought an oven. Everyday since the beginning we argue over the menu.

Hell ..... the ghost of Hemmingway could show up.

Chloe

It depends on the ammo and how you shoot it. A thirty round clip and a fast finger can shoot a lot of ammo.

Where as my 30-30 lever action is a bunch slower.
I haven't even shot it in 4 or 5 years and bought ammo for it in even longer.
About all I've shot through it is 3or 4 rounds to sight it in , and one to get the deer. At that rate a box of 20 lasts a long while. So it has been so long that I don't even know the price of ammo.

Jack

Music for your Solon :

Smash Mouth - Walkin' On The Sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEPkPMMM_PI

Sorry for my contribution to the lack of continuity here tonight.

For you Sturge, Ever heard of her?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7tRX6nCkU&NR=1

For the Salon -- dedicated to Solar's great story about meeting his wife, Judy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaP3wSVHvmM

Big cushions, and great coffee , and Smash Mouth playing on the PA .

No Sturg -
I was going for France in the 20's, great American brains in the noise of Paris in the 20's. American is still full of great American brains, why they don't run things anymore, that's got us all off balance.

Hemmingway's Ghost -
Not bad.

el ghosto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovgilPQFN34&feature=related

Me and Madonna riding in a big red Pontiac Bonneville with the ghosts of Buddy Holly and Ernest Hemingway in the backseat.

Sturg -
Thanks for the one at 10:52 -

A question for chefs:

I have a new recipe for apple pie. It starts with 7 cups of sliced apples with brown sugar added, some flavorings, and tapioca flour, a little lemon juice and 2 tbsp of brandy.

The first time I made it I had no tapioca flour so faked it and used some regular flour. I don't remember how I juggled the amount of regular flour, but I did. It turned out great, according to the tasters. Me, I cannot abide brandy so ate none.

The next two times I had the tapioca flour and used the correct amount. By the time I added the brandy the mix was really runny, way too much liquid. The pies were not the hit the first one was.

I have never even heard of tapioca flour but it seems to not have much body. I also wondr about the brown sugar - it sucks so much juice out of apples that I wonder if it would help if I didn't really mix that in.

Any reactions from anybody?

Just wanted to see what time would show up on a post compared to my time zone.