Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good morning! Am I first?

Funny stress relief to get us through the last days of Bush.

http://bushbash.flashgressive.de/

good morning, diva, and thank you for the wake-up game. having hit 3 out of five on just half a cup of coffee, think next i'll try it left handed. beginner's luck probably...
interesting story from spy talk. bet you can't guess who's going nooquelahr.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/

damn, if you can't believe the bbc, who can you believe? what's this world coming to.... our media wouldn't do this now would it?
""serious" breaches and on-air apologies were needed"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7789439.stm

be sure to check out the kitty picture down and to the right in that bbc link. imho the names at issue suck; bandit would have been my choice.

Craig - Which 'O Which Barack will show up?
Again I say - he wants more the 4 then he will keep moving the RIGHT WAY !!

No doubt the Lib Left is left out- and with all of the stuff started not lots he can do anyway.

Comment to yesterday on lower troop levels in Iraq. This is only possible and is on track DESPITE Barrack. Had the surge gone the way of Barrack's vote and been like a John Edwards failure - then today is a different story.

"Guess the dog's name, win a 100 bonus bucks"

cbob, harvey?

my guess: Rance

Patd,
Those cats are beautiful. The kitten is so cute. It looks like raccoon markings to me. Adorable!

Mr. Hobbs?

Full list of cabinet appointments at http://www.demconwatchblog.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8

clarence?

This is not the way I wanted to start my day...wtf

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28292558/

Wylie Burp? Thomas Jefferson Destry?

stewart's character in Harvey was Elwood P. Dowd, though........

given cbob's predilictions, i bet it's harley, the henry fonda character in the cheyenne social club. loved that movie.

cant remember if it was "cheyenne social club" or "cheyenne autumn" but I heard somewhere once that the actors playing the indians were all navajo who lived where they actually filmed it and they were speaking their native language with sub-titles on the screen.....and they were saying all kinds of off the wall stuff......

come to think of it, it had to be cheyenne autumn.......

Patsi,
Hope your flu's is about over.
Have you ever tried taking naproxen morning and night for your arthritis? Once you take it regularly for a while, it works as an anti inflammatory rather than a pain killer. It works.

N.S. Gill's top ten Archeology (magazine) discoveries:

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2008/12/13/top-10-archaeology-magazine-discoveries-2.htm

a more inclusive one: top 17:

http://archaeology.about.com/b/2008/12/16/archaeologys-top-ten-er-seventeen-news-stories.htm

Archaeologists find Roman era battlefield near Northeim:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,596619,00.html

Gay leaders furious with Obama
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16693.html

Winter Solstice at Newgrange
Thursday December 18, 2008

© Paul Gill One of the most popular spots in the world for the Winter Solstice is Newgrange, where a prehistoric passage was apparently designed specifically to provide natural illumination to the passage at the winter solstice. This phenomenon was re-discovered only as late as 1967 by Professor O'Kelly, according to the Newgrange Solstice Webcast. From a small entry way, for a few minutes each year (with luck), a pitch black tomb is illuminated. The tour guides say it's bright enough to read a book -- but only if it's a sunny morning. Read more about my Visit to Newgrange.
The 2008 Winter Solstice illumination at Newgrange will be streamed live on the internet on Sunday Dec. 21, 2008, from 8:30 - 9:30 a.m.
Winter Solstice Webcast - 2008
The 2008 Winter Solstice illumination of the passage and chamber at Newgrange will be streamed live on the internet by the OPW (Office of Public Works).

View the 2008 Webcast live from Newgrange on Sunday the 21st December from 8.30am until 9.30am.

2008 Winter Solstice illumination at Newgrange

I wonder why this never became used at Obama campaign events...besides the band was from Compton and if you saw them and didn't know who they were you would run away...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghpd3hH12yI

I won't spill the beans about the dog's name. Have fun guessing folks.

Hey Patsi,

I didn't realize you were battling the flu...I hope you feel better soon.

I concur with Chloe with regards to the virtues of Naproxen when dealing with joint paint. I've had pain that Vicodin and Codeine could sooth, that Aleve did...I highly recommend it.

cheyenne social club dialogue btwn stewart and fonda

John O'Hanlan: How much money do you want, Harley?
Harley Sullivan: Fifteen or twenty dollars ought to do me.
John O'Hanlan: What do you need it for?
Harley Sullivan: Things.
John O'Hanlan: Well, what kind of things?
Harley Sullivan: Just-just things. You know, like a drink of whiskey if I wanted it, or a new shirt or something.
John O'Hanlan: You already have two shirts. You don't want to wear but one of them at a time unless it's winter.
Harley Sullivan: There you go thinking like a Republican again.
John O'Hanlan: Well, you don't bring up politics while you're borrowing money, Harley. It ain't seemly!

Hi everyone,

I'm still alive..... I'm on a friend's computer..... she has power. We have none..... the wires were ripped off our house..... our neighbors are in the same predicament..... I HATE ICE!!!!!!

I don't know when we'll have internet access back..... right now I"d kill just to have running water.....

Rick and I are tough..... we will survive....

I miss all of you...... please take care....

sturge, a blogger called chris in linked review:
"Well, as far as I know, the minor roles and extras appearing in "Cheyenne Autumn" were actually Navajo people who had appeared in all of John Ford's movies previously.......
These gentlemen speak their Native tongue ; in his book "Sacred Clowns", Tony Hillerman has one of the Navajo characters say that "Cheyenne Autumn" was a favourite in Navajo country because the extras who are given a few lines (Many Mules, for ex.) actually say sexual things and have dirty jokes about "Pappy" Ford and "Duke" Wayne. This is confirmed by Ms Lilian Bradley Smith (Lee Bradley's daughter) to Joseph McBRIDE in his book "Searching for John Ford".

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2007/05/review-of-cheyenne-autumn.html

Renee- So sorry for everything you are going through. It is unbelievable the damage ice can do, yet it looks so beautiful. You've certainly been missed here.
Hope your electric is restored soon and you take care.

Sturge- cool yuletide information! Any link?

Of the available inexpensive prescription stuff (in its generic form, Piroxicam) Feldene is what worked best for me. Matter of fact, it was the only NSAID that worked.

Everybody is different and what works for one may not help even a little bit for another.

Piroxicam has a high incidence of G.I. problems, so...

Renee, sorry about the rough time the weather has been causing you. Hang tough!

On This Day In History - Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock which gives me an excuse for Cole Porter & John Barrowman

Times have changed,
And we've often rewound the clock,
Since the Puritans got a shock,
When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
If today, Any shock they should try to stem,
'Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
Plymouth Rock would land on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Q3zBLgqsI

Good morning Renee. Hope all is back to normal soon, we miss you.

Chloe and Bear -- I do need to get a better handle on this damned arthritis...and the flu is just screwing with me, as it always does around this time of year.

Renee -- So glad you are all right, if not comfortable!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6170554.html

Wow...

Patsi

Since I deal with much of the same, you might look into warm water exercises. Most YMCA outlets offer programs for seniors. It really does help with both pain and range of motion.

Oil is down to $38.00. Has anyone seen a contrarian that called for this 6 months ago. I haven't been able to find a single one. I'm sure there is I just haven't been able to find one. I did see that T Boone had said it might drop back to $100. He missed by just a little....:)

Bush just said he hasn't 'made up his mind yet' about what to do about the Big Three. Read as 'I don't know what the hell to do.'

Rosie,
My guess is that none of the options are very good. I still favor bankruptcy.....but we'll see

I'm just afraid that bankruptcy will be the death knell of the American auto industry. And it still burns my butt that they will give banks money just hand-over fist, but put on the breaks for the blue-collar man.

I would favor a bail out based on a GM Chrysler merger rather than bankruptcy. If the government did nothing but take over the health care for the auto industry and the small businesses that supply them, American cars would be totally competitive with the foreign companies. At least it would a start towards universal coverage.

Bankruptcy is just too darn destructive and this nation needs to support a mnufacturing base.

I don't think that bankruptcy reorganization will be as bad as its been portrayed. Many large companies successfully come out of bankruptcy and prosper. I don't have an issue buying a car from one of the companies while they are in bankruptcy reorganization....I will buy 1 - 2 vehicles from one of them this next year.....it'll probably be from the one that takes the least gov't assistance.....

oooo, Jamie, I never even thought about it that way. Health care probably is the biggest cost. Wow. You've got my vote for the cabinet.

Obama proved on June 29th he does not support Gay Rights, so why are you so surprised he’s embraced Rick Warren now?

"... we hope you see that Obama betraying the LGBT community is something he will do to you, too, in some way soon."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/obama-proved-on-june-29th-he-does-not-support-gay-rights-so-why-are-you-so-surprised-hes-embraced-rick-warren-now/

Jax

The problem with bankruptcy for the auto companies is the myriad small suppliers that would probably go under during the process. These are companies that work on very small profit margins. Any reduction in settlement of claims could destroy them. The damage would be spread nation wide.

The Unions have already made major concessions and the biggest problem is the legacy costs of retirement and medical care. Once you have changes in types of autos and the problem is solved with little disruption of the supply lines.

"Rick Warren? He's basically James Dobson in Dr Phil's goatee. In 2004 Warren declared that marriage, reproductive choice, and stem cell research were "non-negotiable" issues of Christian voters, yet those things were part of Obama's platform!"

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/oh-puke-rick-warren-to-deliver-obama-invocation/

Jamie,
Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily stiff the small supplier. In fact it frees up the major corporation from alot of covenants that restrict cash flow.

It's likely that the small suppliers need to keep running in order for the major to survive. They will be taken care of first. They need to function as ongoing concerns in order for the major to continue operations while it conducts it reorganiztion.

Rick Warren — The reason they’re so surprised is?

"What’s not so shocking is that this has come to pass but that the “O’Faithful” did not see it coming.

Fools! They should have.

There are many — too many — examples of what has been going on with the Misogynist-in-Chief for some time. The handwriting has been on the proverbial wall. Sadly, like just about everything Obama, it has been willfully ignored by the in-the-tank Tanning Bed Media and blinded by “The Light” sippy cup crowd."

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/rick-warren-the-reason-theyre-so-surprised-is/

Anyone, what am I missing?

I recall last year as oil (gas) started rising to it's record price, so too did most other consumer products especially commodities and grocery items. Most everyone said the rise in prices (groceries) were related to the rise in the cost of shipping. Now, since oil(gas) is down to 5 years lows, would not the cost of shipping be down? i haven't noticed our grocery bill dropping one iota/centavo. Is it just a delay in time for costs to filter down maybe?

TIA

GORDO,

There's been no betrayal. Failure to walk in a parade is hardly a crime against humanity. Talking with Rick Warren is not betrayal any more than talking to Achmedinajad or that Ayers guy is betrayal.

Jesus hung out with (re)publicans and thieves. Nathan Hale chummed with the redcoats. Schindler partied with the ss. Babe Ruth played for the Red Sox. So, Obama can talk with Rick Warren.

There's no betrayal until there is an action, and so far, Obama has taken no action against gays. If you're waiting for a betrayal, you would be well advised to not hold your breath.

Don't think that is going to happen Rez. Judging by the past, I can't imagine the prices going back down once they've been raised.

"If the government did nothing but take over the health care for the auto industry and the small businesses that supply them, American cars would be totally competitive with the foreign companies. At least it would a start towards universal coverage."

In part this is what I have been arguing for a week now,,,glad that you have finally come around----now for the 2nd part take a look at the abuse of Union leaders---and not necessarily the the big three Auto Unions ---but as Tony and I have said the trade Unions need to be looked at the way that they function---they actually stop growth in the small companies, with the strong arm tactics that they employ! If President Obama just keeps his promise on just this one thing ,,,,UH ---it will be enough--for me to look at him as a success??

Jimmy Stewart's 1936 character, David Graham ?

I agree with Jax---as a matter of fact I agree with 70-80% of what he say's---but for diff reasons------Bankruptcy will help them reorganize in a way that is good for all---I for one would be happy that a fresh start would also mean,,,a fresh look at how they are going to operate,,,in the sense that they should adopt a whole new way of thinking ---and new management??

Our story opens at Cafe Bionda, a Chicago hangout for politicians and wise guys. There, Gov. Dead Meat sits alone at the back table, weeping, guzzling flagons of hot mulled wine. He stands, and begins to lament:

'Twas the night before Fitzmas and all through the house
The federals were listening for the sound of a mouse.
The wiretaps were hung by the chimneys with care
With sugarplum visions of the rats they would snare.
And I in my tracksuit with Patti in bed
With visions of "bleepin' gold" running through our heads,
When out on the lawn, there arose such a herald,
I knew in an instant it must be Fitzgerald.
For a second, I thought this must be in jest,
Then the telephone said, "You're under arrest."
I rushed to the window and what did appear?
A sled full of subpoenas pulled by eight tiny reindeer.
More rapid than Outfit bookies, the coursers they came
And Patrick did whistle, and call them by name.
"Now Rezko! Now Kelly! Now Amrish and Stu!
On Wyma! On Harris! On Rahm and Ata too!"
And with a winsome grand jury so lively and quick
Jimmy called Genson, 'cause I'm in the thick.
Then I drew in my head and was turning around
And there stood Fitzgerald, who made not a sound.
But with a wink of his eye and a twist of his head
He let me know that I had plenty to bleepin' dread.
He pointed his finger alongside his nose,
I told him, "Hang loose," but up the chimney he rose.
I started to spill because I am no tool,
But then Eddie and Jimmy said, "Shut up you fool!"
Then Patti awoke all sweetness and light,
"You're bleeping holding up that bleeping Cubs bleep,
Right?"
Fitz sprang to his sleigh and the reindeer did bristle
While off in the distance, sang the jailhouse whistle.
I heard him exclaim to all within sight,
"Merry Fitzmas to all, except those I indict."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-18-dec18,0,3868996.column

"If you're waiting for a betrayal, you would be well advised to not hold your breath. "
---------------------------------
"Just a week or two ago, Obama also admitted he had no intention of changing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (DADT). First, his transition team said they would wait to address DADT until later in 2009. Then, it was reported that it would not be addressed until 2010. The latest on DADT is that, because of the economy (which will be a convenient excuse for the majority of Obama’s broken promises, we imagine), it might not be addressed “in the first term”, as there is a lot to get to. What you aren’t reading between the lines is the fact that Obama never intended to get involved in DADT, .... If Obama is serious enough to go after Rick Warren, that means DADT will NOT be addressed in his administration period."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/obama-proved-on-june-29th-he-does-not-support-gay-rights-so-why-are-you-so-surprised-hes-embraced-rick-warren-now/

Thx Chloe,

I guess that (rationale) was like business telling the customer that the check's in the mail.

RR

Hope that you and Rick get back safe,,,,and soon

Xr where you been??

Chole --morning
witch movie would recommend ---Indiana Jones,,,Iron man, fly me to the moon?? these are the three that I have for now?

"I guess that (rationale) was like business telling the customer that the check's in the mail."

Ha, I agree Rez.
I would imagine that even the trucking companies that raised their prices won't come back down either. But I don't know how that works.

http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/12/pjb-the-toyota-republicans/

Pat Buchanan hits this one out of the park!

"I would imagine that even the trucking companies that raised their prices won't come back down either."

I wonder why the Oil companies did. Why not keep gas at $3/gallon when they had it. What are people going to do , walk?

SolarCrete,

You are correct, health and pension aid make Detroit competitive by price. However, Detroit left to its own obsolete devices would continue to be uncompetitive. Detroit needs to change from antiquated internal combustion engines to full E85 hybrids and plug-in E85 hybrids.

Besides, it makes no sense for the American taxpayer to bail out companies whose products emit the CO2 that threatens to destroy Manhattan, Cape Cod, much of SC, most of FL, and almost all of Louisiana. If we aren't going to make the Little 3 produce 21st century technology vehicles, we would be better off taking over the workers pension and health funds, and letting the superannuated beggers die off in January.

This would not be survival of the fittest, but rather survival of the useful.

"take a look at the abuse of Union leaders---and not necessarily the the big three Auto Unions ---but as Tony and I have said the trade Unions need to be looked at the way that they function"

Solar
I agree! I believe its good for any organization or Government to be looked at with severe scrutiny especially those that are supposed to protect people and not just unions! What comes to mind is the justice system in this country and how money can buy you justice! Oh and the insurance companies who seek to not pay because you have a catastrophic illness,I could tell many about what my mom went though with her cancer battle and at the same time battling Blue Cross...

Rez,
My truck rates are down on average 12% over the last 2 months. This almost exclusively due to fuel surcharge reductions. Although highway diesel hasn't dropped as much as the wholesale market it's still dropped significantly. If oil stays where it is right now I expect to see an elimination of fuel surcharge on my rates all together by the end of the 1st quarter.

I've not offered a reduction in base rates yet but I've not offered any increases either.

Tony---hello

Funny thing about Buchanan,,,I could never stand to hear his voice when he was on cross ---FIRE----but I think that the demise of that show was actually good for him----as a roving pundit I like him a lot better---don't often agree with him,,but he does make one think about what he says,,,,,,,he is free to criticize both party's ---and that is what I like about him now-----

Hey I took peek at TM's face book----nice picture of you putting your foot on the table----and on the plate????? keep working out-,,and stay fit_____it is you cabeza t hat I worry about hahah

So Jax,

Given the current trend would you expect to see price reduction for consumer goods, like groceries, in the coming months?

Grocery prices, obviously my Thursday peeve :-)

Solar Crete,

I was in Vancouver, BC for several weeks. My laptop expired while I was there , and I decided not to purchase another until I returned. To make it an adventure, I turned my primitive existence into a sentimental journey through computerless life as we knew it way back in the 20th century. It was sort of like becoming Amish or Satmar without the rekigious rigor. After all the practice at being prehistoric, I feel as though I could even try doing without indoor plumbing and the wheel for awhile. But, not without fire. I really need fire right now.

I'm in MN today, expecting to go to GA soon - but not soon enough ! If it weren't so gawdam cold here, it would actually be good to be back. I can't wait for Spring. Let it be NOW !!!

XR
glad that u r back---I don't want y u to ever agree with me again----got it?? I like it when we are fighting in the style that is not fighting---and not arguing,,,but arguing about anything at all---confused yet-----so was Bethyboo,,,she asked us if we were fighting, arguing, or what? mr Jack Whisky----said or what,,,could not make it out what the hell we were doing-----now t hat made me laugh and enjoy the little back and forth that we had going on---and just kidding about the agreeing part---looks like we agree more that we disagree,,,,,agreed ??? :-))

Hey Solar,
Sorry, I'm on the road today and check in for a minute every so often. Didn't see your post before. Iron man is an excellent movie. (Bet you've already started one, huh?) We're going in to eat now, I'll check back in a while. :)

Rez,
My cargoes are not consumer products but I can tell you that my clients are definitely paying less for transport. How long that cost component takes to reach a consumer is a good question. My guess is that the transport component makes up less that than the reduction in commodities in general. You'll see the effects of that soon I think. Probably after the holidays you'll see reductions on the store shelves.....just my guess

Rez,
I just renewed my 2009 corp healthcare contract for my employees and it rose only 6.1%. That's the lowest increase I've had since I started my companies (2000).

Thx Jax,

It's just that "everyone" kept rationalizing the rise in costs of goods and services with the rise in oil/fuel costs.

Rez,
Its certainly a component but an even larger one was the decrease in traded foodstuff commodities. Wheat, corn, soy beans. Those have come off their highs almost as significantly and it will have an even alrger impact to the consumer.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183426

Solar
I don't often agree with Pat either but I like his honesty regarding his own party.I laugh at him alot on the McLaughlin Report,especially last week with that "Toyota Republican" line.Oh yes thats me, the palm tree plate is gone though and I'm trying to keep fit going to the Nautilus gym in a few minutes.I'm glad you like fitness its good for the body and soul.I'm still working on my fudge from Sea,its worth working out for! HA.You make me laugh cabeza,whats that?

And I see where the Social Security will have a 5.8% COLA increase next year. I hope we can afford it in these days of Trillion$ deficits. Poor Obama!

Rez,
I'm no expert but I think that COLA is heavily weighted based on historical increases and not that forward looking. I'd be surprised to see an actual 5.8% increase in cost of living for 2009.....might be one of those years when you do a little better than expected....

I'm only looking at a 2.0% COLA component on my planned salary increases for next year.

Tony---just a little haha---cabeza is your head-( a litttle too happy-- or -----)---u look fit ,,and happy ,so I had to look for something wrong-,,,,but don't you worry , I can fix it,,,,with vice and some other tools,,it almost worked for my son (he is now a zombie ) but I think that I know where I whent wrong.

GORDO,

That's a lot of empty chatter you got hot and bothered about, but show us some real action, woodja ? Just one binding statement or actual act will do for now. Getting a haircut and playing basketball during the Gay Pride Parade don't mean squirt. Gossip and speculation don't count, either, cuz they are either just filler between the advertisements, or pol-porn used to draw your eyeballs to the same ads. Show us something actual, tangible, effective - you know - REAL.

Only policy statements and acts count.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183439

Rez,

I promise not to blow the $60 all in one place. :-)

First face transplant on Larry King Live----don't watch him to much,,,but that has to be very interesting -----on many levels,,,how does the mind adapt to the new face? for one,,right about now I bet that he had a new face operation,,,,,he probably would have chosen the face of our Gov. Blago-----Ha

I think I read it's the biggest COLA increase since 1982. We'll see if inflation don't eat that up.

"I promise not to blow the $60 all in one place."

ROFL

Jamie,

You have 7 more shopping days for my present.

Jamie---one of the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWULu5_nXI#

should have written Madoff ---for a Blago face transplant

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183444

SolarCrete,

You know that I can't go along with arguing. From now on, I agree with you about absolutely everything. Put that in your pipe and smoke it ! If you can't take a little agreement, you're in the wrong place, pal.

Anywho, I missed you, too. And, I wonder how your Jesus history ended. Did he die ?

Or, was Hugh Schoenfeld right ?

I didn't give credit to Jamie for the comments on Detroit health and pension.

Sorry, Jamie, I'll try to be a better yakateer in the future.

jaxtrader,

When all the numbers are finally crunched, we lost money this year.

So, if I had one, would my COLA mean that I get 2% added to my already negative number ?

XR not yet ----and not finished----a little break from that one,,but I started a new one called Potatch on yesterday's thread-----the greed and waste in past (way past) history that is apropos in todays world,,,,take a peek and find something that you don't like about it,,,and then let me know. Working on one that is about how the blacks and others were left out of the voting process----should raise some eyebrows with that one,,,,but it will be factual.

I just figured it out.

We lost a lot of money this year. In fact, another year like 2008 might put us on the County.

I need a bailout from the government.

Just a couple billion will do.

"I wonder why the Oil companies did. Why not keep gas at $3/gallon when they had it."

Rez, I thought the same thing. But demand is way down from a year ago. From what I understand, the vehicle miles traveled was down (from previous years) every month all through 2008. Can you imagine how much worse the economy would be right now if gas hadn't gone down? If it hadn't, I think the price of everything we buy would have continued to go up.

Rezdog

While in newspaper advertising ----I had a few large and small grocery stores that I was responsible for their ads,,,,and in some of the meetings that we had for planning strategies (chamber of commerce) they all shied away from this question------I used to go golfing with Tony from a good size store that he had for 50-60 (family owned) years---he told me that he knew that the others would not revise their prices ,,,or not much at all if any---but that he would lessen his prices 10% and you know what ---it showed in his biz---the other stores had a loss of biz----it is the free market---but some stores will lower (the smart ones) and some won't

Like what some of the Mortgage company's are doing now ---they can lower the rate for refi, etc. but some just use a bait and switch they advertise t hat they can lock you in at a certain rate----and then when you are signing on the bottom line you are charged an additional 2% or more----most all people don't take an atty with them to a refi cos it is not demanded by law----they never learn do they,,,,the free market is the one I choose ,,,but have to find a way to make it fair,,,in some cases-??? don't know if I helped or just confused you more? So bottom lineis that,,,,yes you should see prices come down at the stores,,,but not by much,,,and not by all--IMO thanks Oh Rez ---Tony's market is still (and 2 other large stores) around today,,

Solar-I found something that it think co-insides with your opinion of the auto bailout. I'm for the bailout, but I have to admit, this makes sense.
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6012/bailoutyk2.jpg

solis for labor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/18/hilda-solis-labor-secreta_n_152139.html

Donors list raises fears over Hillary Clinton role as Secretary of State

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5367118.ece

So just maybe Caroline won't become a senator

is hilda solis related to patti solis doyle?

Some random questions...

1. GORDO, I see you discussing Rick Warren today...I'm confused as to how he is tied to the Obama isn't a citizen riff you are on..since that's your only trick, I'm curious...lol

2. Patsi, Jamie, can one of you explain to me how a heterosexual woman, especially one who is only 23, can possibly be engaged to Drew Peterson? I don't care if he has Bill Gates' bank account or he is hung to the floor, how can you date someone who's killed two wives, allegedly...

3. To everyone else, did you ever think you would see the day when meat and potatoes Republicans would chose to see Japanese companies prosper in their states while watching the Big 3 disintegrate before our eyes, killing a once great AMERICAN industry? I know WWII vets that would never buy Japanese because of Pearl Harbor. If you told them southern Republicans wouldn't help Detroit in their lifetimes, I think they would bayonet someone...

Rosie----HI

Exactly-----I find it hard to take a stand against the bailout----I wish that they could do it in a way that ,,,the worker would get long rang repairs in a system that is dysfunctional ,,,,or it will happen again,,,,the leaders are now used to making big $ and want the bailout for other reasons other than the worker----If there is new leader ship in both the Auto Industry and in the Unions, I would be for it----like Pogo said they are not public officials and are not subject to scrutiny-----can you imagine what is in their closet -------and are hiding??? just saying-----hope that all is ok with you....:-))

Rosie

I also sold new cars and trucks for Bonnie Brook ford in chicago,,,,we were paid $ 75.00 per wk,,,and worked on commission 18 % did pretty good , since I am bilingual -,,,quit after 6 months worst job I ever had---sold three cars one day,,sticker price plus taxes,,,made out that day---could not sleep, or eat, could not look at myself in the mirror,,so I quit the next day---The owners ran over the union members that worked there,,,,they don't get much of a say out side of the big 3 factories ---=the members that is----they are at the mercy of their employers,,cos the employers are working along with the unions---I saw the same in an other place that I worked as a concrete trk driver------you have some protection,,but not what people think

"... I'm confused as to how he is tied to the Obama isn't a citizen riff ..."

I agree, you are confused.
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Obama Chooses Evangelical Rick Warren to Deliver Inaugural Invocation – or Let’s Watch Some Heads Explode

"His latest action only bears out what we have been saying all along: he is not who he pretends to be."

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/18/obama%E2%80%99s-chooses-evangelical-rick-warren-to-deliver-inaugural-invocation-%E2%80%93-or-let%E2%80%99s-watch-some-heads-explode/#more-8919
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Just who is SoetorObama? Where was he born? What is his legal name. Was he an Indonesian citizen? Did he lose or voluntarily give up US citizenship - if he ever had it? What nationality did he list on college application forms? What did he do in Pakistan in 1981? What was/is his relationship with Khalid al-Mansour and Louis Farrakhan? And many more unanswered questions. Hint: Foundations

Jamie
my post to you--a whiter shade of pale,one of our top ten on the Tys list---was a little peace offering,,hope u saw it :-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183451

XR - No problem, I'm so used to what I say being stolen that when it doesn't happen, I start to worry that I've stopped being quotable. . :-)

Solar - Did you remember that I said "Whiter Shade of Pale" is one of the songs I have to listen to the end even if the car is already parked? Thanks.

Patd - Patti Solis Doyle was raised in Virginia. Hilda Solis is from California so I doubt they are related.

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Bear, Her boyfriend says they are not engaged. Dru Peterson likes the limelight. My guess is that money changed hands or favors of some sort so that he could strut in front of the cameras again. He is a control freak. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any way as yet to prove he killed the ones who wouldn't be controlled. I agree that there isn't enough money to make me go near the snake.

Just popping in with something from The Onion that you guys may have seen and discussed already.

This one has almost as much truth as fiction. Barack vs. Barack Hussein Obama.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/barack_obama_defeats_barack

The Rick Warren thing has me wondering if Obama will actually do what I feared most about him - name a right-to-lifer to scotus. If he does indeed commit us to a right-wing scotus for decades, that's it - I will send money to anyone who opposes him. Further, I will wish him bad cess!

HOWEVER, I'm not going to borrow trouble and will give him every chance to prove that he will not use his choices to prove that he can reach across the aisle.
I'm on his side till he crosses that aisle tha way.

Pat Buchanon has been a beacon of reasonable thinking in this whole election cycle. When he's not speaking for the party, he's cool. I wish something could be done his sister - what a harpy. At least her face gives you full warning, tho!

Jamie

Yes I did remember as I do most things that you say,,,but I did not ask you at the time----were you alone in that car,,or was there someone with you,? and that song used to have the same affect on me,,so it was easy to remember.,

Solar

All alone. That song is just one of the ones that stops me in my tracks. There are certain movies that do that when I'm clicking through channels. I can have the DVD, watch something once a year or so, but if I'm just clicking around and Casablanca or 84 Charing Cross Road, or Torchsong Trilogy etc. is there, I have to watch for a few minutes at least.

1. Just who is SoetorObama? The president-elect of the USA;
2. Where was he born? Honolulu, Oahu County, Hawaii, USA;
3. What is his legal name. Senator Barack Hussein Obama;
4. Was he an Indonesian citizen? No;
5. Did he lose or voluntarily give up US citizenship - if he ever had it? No;
6. What nationality did he list on college application forms? Nationality wasn't called for on his college application. It wasn't on mine either;
7. What did he do in Pakistan in 1981? Toured the sights;
8. What was/is his relationship with Khalid al-Mansour and Louis Farrakhan? Mansour was a City Councilman who promoted the school admission of Obama, then a student residing in Mansour's Council District. farrakhan and Obama both reside in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, along with 3.5 million other people.
9. And many more unanswered questions. Hint: Foundations Counter-hint : Annenberg, an enormous foundation creaed by a republican and fanatic supporter of richard nixon.

No evidence has EVER been put forward that contradicts the facts stated above.

Where is the proof? You have none - it's the SoetorObama version of history.

Potlatch cont.

Potlatch cont

The Kwakiutl used to live in plank-house villages set close to the shore in the midst of cedar and fir rain forests. They fished and hunted along the island-studded sounds and fiords of Vancouver in huge dugout canoes. Always eager to attract traders, they made their villages conspicuous by erecting on the beach the carved tree trunks we erroneously call “totem poles”. The carvings on these poles symbolized the ancestral titles to which the chiefs of the village laid claim. A Kwakiutl chief was never content with the amount of respect he was getting from his own followers and from neighboring chiefs, He was always insecure about his status. True enough, the family titles to which he laid claim belonged to his ancestors. But there were other people who could trace descent from the same ancestors and who were entitled to vie with him for recognition as a chief. Every chief therefore felt the obligation to justify and validate his chiefly pretensions. The prescribed manner for doing this was to hod potlatches. Each potlatch was given by a host chief and his followers to a guest chief and his followers. The object of the potlatch was to show that the host chief was truly entitled to chiefly status and that he was more exalted that the guest chief . To prove this point, the host chief gave the rival chief and his followers quantities of valuable gifts. The guests would belittle what hey received and vow to hold a return potlatch at which their own chief would prove that he was greater that the former host by giving back even larger quantities of more valuable---(sounds like the 2 party system?) gifts.

Preparations for potlatch required the accumulation of fresh and dried fish, fish oil, berries, animal skins, blankets, and other valuables, On the appointed day, the guests paddled up to the host village and went into the chiefs house. There they gorged themselves on salmon and wild berries while dancers masked as beaver gods and thunderbirds entertained them. The host chief and his followers arranged in neat piles the wealth that was to be given away. The visitors stared at their host sullenly as he pranced up and down, boasting about how much he was about to give them. As he counted ou the boxes of fish oil, baskets full of berries, and piles of blankets, he commented derisively on the poverty of his rivals. Laden with gifts, the guests finally were free to paddle back to their own village. Stung to the quick, the guest chief and followers vowed to get even. This could only be achieved by inviting their rivals to a return potlatch and obliging them to accept even greater amounts of valuables than they had given away.Considering all the Kwakiutl villages as a single unit, potlatch stimulated a ceaseless flow of prestige and valuables moving in opposite directions. An ambitious chief and his followers had potlatch rivals in several different villages at once. Specialists in counting property kept track of what had to be done in each village in order to even the score. If a chief managed to get the better of his rivals in one place, he still had to confront his adversaries in another.

At the potlatch, the host chief would say things like, “I am the only great tree. Bring you counter of property that he may try in vain to count the property that is to be given away.” Then the ch
According to Ruth Benedict, potlatching was caused by the obsessive status hunger of the Kwakiutl chiefs. “ Judged by the standards of other cultures the speeches of their chiefs are unabashed megalomania, “ she wrote. “The object of all Kwakiutl enterprises was to show oneself superior to one's rivals.” In her opinion, the whole aboriginal economic system of the Pacific Northwest was “bent to the service of this obsession.”---Benedict was mistaken. The economic system of the Kwakiutl was not bent to the service of status rivalry; rather, status rivalry was “bent the the service of this obsession.” Benedict was mistaken, The economic systems of he Kuakiutl was not bent to the service of status rivalry, rather , status rivalry was bent to the service to the economic systems. All of the basic ingredients of the Kwakiutl giveaways, except for their destructive aspects, are present in primitive societies widely dispersed over different parts of the globe. Stripped down to its elementary core, the potlatch is a competitive feast , a nearly universal mechanism for assuring the production and distribution of wealth among peoples who have not yet fully acquired a ruling class.

Melanesia and New guinea present the best opportunity to study competitive feasting under relatively pristine conditions. Throughout this region, there are so -called big men who owe their superior status to the large number of feasts that each had sponsored during his lifetime. Each feast has to be preceded by an intensive effort on the part of an aspiring big man to accumulate the necessary wealth.

Jamie,

When I saw your post about A Whiter Shade of Pale (being one of your favorite songs? if I'm reading you correctly), I listened to it again and was curious as to your interpretation of it's meaning. I looked it up and found an interesting excerpt from Tim de Lisle's "Lives of the Great Songs". When you get a chance, can you look at it and tell me what you think of what it says. I've noticed how so many people have a different interpretation of the song, and I'm hoping you'll share your take on it. Thanks.

A Whiter Shade of Pale
Mike Butler in 'Lives of the Great Songs'
http://www.procolharum.com/awsop_lotgs.htm

Gordo,

You, everyone and especially your anti -Obama netter buds had months to ask and resolve those questions. And go to court if necessary. Why are you asking these question now, in the eleventh hour, after he won the Election. Are you guys that dense and inept. Sixty nine million voters and 365 Electors apparently were satisfied about Obama's history.

You're too late, quit whining. You missed the last show and there are no reruns on this one. I can't tell you what I was told the last time I was late to the last show and complaining. Do you think you're special. Sorry Charlie.

Im sure that Puma has become some sort of catch-all buzz-word, but Gordo is no more Puma than I am a land shark.......he's a republican, if even that......not that it matters mucho.........

Puma callers are living in the past.......

His points you attempt to render ridiculous, but you accept his self-styling at face value?

sturge is right.....

it happens.

attempt to render ridiculous is perhaps not what I mean to say.....you ridicule his points......he makes it easy by making ridiculous points, but so it goes.....

GORDO: I for one enjoy your blogs. Please keep up the great work. Some people really do want to know the truth about OBAMA.

Chloe,

I've never really analyzed it other than that it seems to be about the forbidden or terrible on several different layers. I read the article and there are elements that seem accurate. The Millers Tale, Alice in Wonderland, even the Wilie Nelson change to mirror is a nod to "Through The Looking Glass". One item that the article doesn't mention is the Neptune/Mermaid that I feel brings death at sea in as another influence.

Whether it is being too drunk, being a first time ever virgin, longing for what you can't have (I could get odd here with Dodgson's attraction to Alice Liddell) or death, they are all circumstances that could turn you a Whiter Shade of Pale

When combined with the Bach organ piece it takes you to church for weddings and funerals. The song pushes so many subconcious buttons that at some point it gets to almost everyone.

Solar,

I'm ignorant of Northwest Tribal culture and traditions, but from all I've ever understood, Potlatch had a lot to do with humility and being humbled in public. Quite the opposite of what was suggested by the some anthropologists. Like I said I don't know but what I read.

Down in my turf and throughout the plains Indian cultures we have what is called "giveaway" in English. Heads of family on the occasion of death, "rites of passage" and special recognition give personal belongings to others. In some respects the more and grander the more prestigious for the family. Like everyone else, some family are more generous and some more tighter than others, even the ones who might be expected to be grand givers aren't necessarily. Generally those who are "supposed" to get something do and that's the important thing. It could something like a blanket , money or even personal items belonging to the deceased. I think many societies and cultures have similar customs.

BTW, what started this Potlatch line of posting? I must of missed something between Jesus and the Kwakiutls.:-)

not wanting to delve into this too deeply but to me this is a whine:

Rez expecting PUMA not to whine would like expecting a bee not to buzz!
-binnyc

to belabor something as puma is quite archaic....it's past and gone......there are no puma.

if it is a foundation stone of your point of view then ok, have at it.....puma till the cows come back, but there's not much real point to it........

Rezdog ----------

"... had months to ask and resolve those questions. And go to court if necessary."

"Sixty nine million voters and 365 Electors apparently were satisfied about Obama's history. "
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He used the legal system to keep his "hidden" past secret.

They don't know about his history -- documents are either sealed or missing. As for the Obot voters, heard some "man-on-the-street" interviews on Hannity's radio show today -- amazing lack of knowledge. Many believed Hillary was NY governor.

There are still many lawsuits in the pipeline. They will vastly increase in number as soon as SoetorObama does something official. Heard Edwin Vieira discuss this last night on a netcast. As I post this, I'm listening to a netcast about potential lawsuits against him. This issue is not going away. He is Constitutionally ineligible for the office of POTUS and he knows it.

you may have your last word on it, of course, but this is mine.....even accepting your premise of what is puma (it's subjective, after all) gordo is no clinton supporter, and gordo for all his beauteous rumbling ramblings is no more puma than I am a land shark.....he's something much more yoogly........

"Many believed Hillary was NY governor."

Some don't know who was just elected President either. Go figure.

Sam Bottoms (character actor brother of Timothy Bottoms) has died of brain cancer at 53.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-movies/20081218/Obit.Sam.Bottoms/

Is anyone keeping track of the incidence of brain cancer deaths. It may be an illusion but they seem to be skyrocketing.

any resolution to the Doot's dog name?

Rezdog-----

No connection between the Jesus posts,,and Potlatch,,,,but there might be some to the redistribution of wealth---labor that lead us here,,,info is a little old,,but I think still pertains to some of what is going on----The potlatch is as you have said,,,but some big men abused it---capitalism ,,and socialism existed in all cultures---not long, but maybe interesting ??

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183503

Solar
Learn from history doomed to repeat it,is that what we have done? I think maybe....

Tony

That is in a nut shell,,, I just look for some thing interesting things to post----to me all is interesting---tell me the truth if it get boring ,,or,,,,,I'll stop.,,,but a i am working on one that is political in nature and should be very informative......get you feet off that table ---how do you think the last dish broke :-)

Sturgeone

The conversation with Colorado Bob about Dutton Peabody and the Shinbone Star was the clue. Here is a message Senor Horsedooty once left:

"my dog Rance the Internationally famous cowdog says hi to your goldens. Rance is a Blue Heeler/Aussie mix. Smartest dog I haver ever had in my company." yo soy Horsedooty!

We all share a conviction that, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence" is in the stratosphere as a western.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183506

Solar
Ha,got it!! I have a old fashioned ottoman now,feet still up! I did so much on the Stepper and weights that i'm to popped to pop! Thanks for all you do to inform....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-cabinet-takes-shape.html#comment-183506

Solar, This is one of the reasons I keep encouraging you to get a blog. It's not that your material isn't interesting, but I think you would actually enjoy the experience and pick up an even larger audience.

I am sure that the CDC is tracking cases of brain cancer.

Jamie

Ok,,,but my intent is and was not to pick up an audience,,ever,,, just to reach some out there with the truth of history t hats all,, sorry that you see it as an attempt to usurping of this blog

,,,,,the last one that I will do is all political in nature,,,,and is in line with the reason that I joined TM in the first place,,,to reach some people (lurkers) Once again when Bethyboo and I were talking About the Invasion of Mexico by Pres. Polk---we shared some true History,,,,and I think that she said that she learned somethings (I believe that she is a teacher ),,,and I did as well, ,,,,the long posts are the only way to introduce subjects that are not understood,,but I guess they can be intrusive as well.

But once again--not looking for an argument here,,,,,but do you really think that I want to pick up an audience,,,,I wouldn't want that on my conscience---having pulled some one away from a controlled format,,just to make them my own---from what I have seen here most all are pretty independent thinking .

so Rick Warren is the new Billy Graham? such progress

Jamie, Thanks for sharing some interesting ideas.
You got me thinking about the Alice in Wonderland, and I checked out some information on that relationship. Then, as I was looking back at information on that book by Mike Butler, I noticed some of the other songs he includes in his book, and noticed one of them was Bring in the Clowns, and recalled how much I used to love that song. I was surprised at how many people have recorded it, but Judy Collins is still my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilS-LCssYR4

See you tomorrow.

Hey Solar, don't you dare stop sharing with us. If you stop posting here, so will I.

is not ----that should be

Jamie,

Rance is over on the couch laying on his back with his 4 legs all a skew and he is upside down. He is snoring comfortably. He likes it here at Casa Horsedooty!

Jamie,

You snowed in? We are here. This is the hardest snow we've seen since we moved to here on the westside. The dogs love it! btw, Who was Hoots talking to about their goldens?

"so Rick Warren is the new Billy Graham? such progress"

Hey Craig....change we can believe in!

That Dooty ..:-) Hoots Dooty lol

"so Rick Warren is the new Billy Graham? such progress"

I'm pissed off that we don't have a American Indian cabinet member. Who do i go see?

Well, my boredom hangover from 6 hours of inane conversation has gotten the best of me. Everyone have a good snooze. I plan to.

Aren't those people who I've seen on tv today criticizing Obama over his choice of Rick Warren also the same people who were his most vocal supporters during the election process? I don't think PUMA even factors into who's been the most vocally critical of Obama the last 2 days.

Obama better have a shoe guard in place on Jan. 20th. LOL!

Horsedooty was visiting a nice little blog called Harp and Sword. I don't know if he still goes there, but he has talked about Rance here as well.

http://mistrelboy.blogspot.com/

This is the most snow since I moved here, but we aren't snowed in. Probably about 3 - 4 inches. I put two open cat carriers out on the patio so the stray cat or the racoon could huddle if necessary.

Sweet Dreams all

Bring on the night shift.

Hi Rez and Jamie,

no I don't visit that site anymore. The owner was asked to help blog on another site and I did not care for the site. He only posts on Fridays now.

So far I've heard commentators talking re outrage of gays and lesbians at the choice of Warren, but none from gays and lesbians. One woman from People for the American Way did show up and objected to Warren, and Hillary Rosen, whom I've liked all along, voiced objections.

If gays and lesbians are angry, I wish they would speak up loud and clear because I think they have good reason. Did Warren really say that homsexuality was akin to pedophilia? If so, that's so far beyond breath-taking, it's out of sight and he doesn't deserve to be given a spot of honor.

If I go along with gay marriage being banned, our constitution policing some sex practices, and the control of bodies circumscribed, well, my life would be much less stressful.

I have no part in these circumstances - I'm not gay, and have never been pregnant.

But I can't get past the idea of the meaness and self-righteousness and self-satisfaction that underlies the effrontery to make such decisions for other people. It's
a physical impossibility - I can't accept people being treated that way. It's wrong.

If gays and lesbians do not go on record at being outrraged at Obama's pick, they will risk making the issue one of the media just stirring up stuff.

Obama is building up a record of breaking his word, and I hope this is the end of it. But as I've said before, I'm quite willing to go along until....

bethtyboo, I watched PBS News Hours tonight. They debated this subject. Read the transcript here:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/july-dec08/rickwarren_12-18.html

Your daily moment of zen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIX1wqrGSjY

One more moment of zen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRH3iTQPrk&feature=related

bethy, watch the videos I linked. You feel a little better.

Ya know, Obama was moving along nicely and then BAM!

Rick Warren

*thud*

tt

For all the good Saddleback Church does...and they do a lot of good...and it's hard for me to dislike Rick Warren for his great works and his personal Christ-like spartan lifestyle, I do not agree with his viewpoints, especially all the harm he does to young gays by his Neanderthal comments about homosexuality. Saddleback does great harm to young gays by confusing them with lies and more lies, horrible lies about their orientation regarding sexual being.
Obama is trying to invent a new Billy Graham, true, but in his own way, Warren does have a lot of honor anyway; Rick Warren should step away from the inauguration invocation gig, and Obama should ask a more liberal clergy head to invoke the swearing-in.
As Randi Rhodes said on radio today, he should also have Melissa Ethridge onstage making music, and Melissa's wife there too for support.
"Change"? Change my ass! Creating a "New Billy Graham" means Same Old Shit, different century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDN4L7cAQf0&feature=related

Interesting bits of family history I learned today. My Mom's Uncle Edgar did some thorough reasearch of the family history of my Mom's side of the family. My Mom knew already knew this, but her Grandpa fought in the Spanish/American War. The cool info was that an ancestor of my Mom named "Peter Peavey" served under George Washington at Valley Forge.

Corey - you are right - the video did make me feel better, but not enough.

I just saw part of Rachel Maddow on her show and stopped, because it was making me more upset.
Rachel sounded as if she was being very blunt - good for her.

Dexter, I find it difficult to grant any honor to Warren. I hate the thought of being confined, and when someone tries to confine others as to how they should live their lives, to force others to worship their god, that is the ultimate sin.

Warren states that being true to one's self is a sin when it comes to gays and lesbians. He sees that as a crime, implying that they know they are commiting a crime. He obviously sees homosexuality as chosen behaviour, and not natural, otherwise he coouldn't characterize it as a crime.

I doubt Warren will back out on his own, and I doubt Obama will change his mind. He's already ditched one preacher and will be afraid to ditch another. He has already widened the divide in this country, not closed it. Remind you of anybody, like maybe both Bushes?

Now you know why I try to keep my distance from arguments - they get me too upset. This one is so egregious and it caught me off guard, a one-two punch.
I will have trouble sleeping tonight.

"He has already widened the divide in this country, not closed it."

So what's new? That started during the primary, and why would it change now?

"Change"? Change my ass! Creating a "New Billy Graham" means Same Old Shit, different century"

worth repeating