Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

happy december, the oneth!

Craig,

If the economy turns around in the next six months, Bush & Co. would claim some credit whether Obama cooperated, or not. So, Barack looks presidential and the economy starts moving (if it happens) it's a win-win.

ROFL -- don't expect Michelle Obama to be simply "Mom in Chief" -- here she publicly corrects the President Elect:

WaPo/Ruth Marcus op-ed.

What's Wrong With Girly Dogs?
No girly dog.

Excuse me?

That’s right. Barack Obama doesn’t want a girly dog.

As in Barbara Walters’s non-allergenic terrier, a Havanese named Cha Cha.

“It’s like a little yappy dog?” Obama asked Walters, foolishly ignoring his wife’s advice not to criticize.

“It, like, sits in your lap and things?” queried the skeptical president-elect.

Michelle, still trying to save her husband from himself, pronounced the dog “cute.”

Barack wasn’t buying it. “It sounds kind of like a…a girly dog,” he said, at which point his wife pointed out, “We’re girls. We have a house full of girls.”

Patsi- not surprised- his attitude towards women has been evident for sometime.

How does the saying go? Something about being able to win if you don't care who gets the credit?

Just because Obama shows up with a filtration system, doesn't mean anyone is going to forget the stench of GW's admin, however, time tends to mitigate the sheer awfulness of many things. Once those of us who have lived through it are gone, well, who knows how the current admin will be viewed.

Havanese are not yippy, little dogs. They are small & mighty; very smart and athletic. I'm more of a cat person, but these are great, little dogs.

It's wild, Blue -- I'd never even heard of a Havanese! After googling them, I gotta say that Michelle was right -- they are cute!

(I'm more of a cat person, too....but my dog found and adopted me...then one of the cats (Faron Young) adopted the dog, George....(as in Jones, not Bush....)

Blue posted: "time tends to mitigate the sheer awfulness of many things."

Boy, isn't that the truth...just look at how some people look back at Ronald Reagan....God A'Mighty!

patsi - I guess that means were going to look back on these 8 years as "the good old days."

I know strong statements are sometimes needed, but does Condi Rice always have as much diplomatic skill as a 2nd-grader in a schoolyard fight? Everything sounds like an ultimatum...to which the world is gonna start responding, "Yeah, you and whose army"?

Craig

If the economy gets even worse(and for us little people it will) expect Bush and the republicans to shift the blame.

Jack

My friends have two of them; they'll wear you out. Very energetic dogs.

w'jack may be very right. If this thing doesn't bottom out for another 6 months, if Obama isn't the quick-fix many view him as, it's gonna be a rocky start to his admin. Still, he does seem to instill hope & a sense of responsibilty it people, so I'm hopeful that it will be a success. And, without the sorbet of time to cleanse the icky taste of W, it sure couldn't be any worse.

"to which the world is gonna start "

What do you mean " is gonna"?
I believe "done did" is more apt. and "been doing " for some time. The only time anything has gotten done in the last two years is when the country in question thinks it will get a worse deal from either Obama or a generic democrat.

The ducks don't get any lamer than the GWB administration
Jack

Blue -- What I love about my dog George (who is a mostly beagle mutt) is his sheer laziness. He is truly the laziest dog I've ever seen. My nephew tried to teach him to chase a stick like his yellow lab....and George looked at both the nephew and the lab like they were nutzo! Chase sticks? I don't THINK so!

Patsi,

I agree. When I read Blue's comment, Reagan was the first President I thought of. He became President because he was in the right place at the right time. He's revered by Republicans, but from my point of view, his only claim to fame is that he served two terms and unlike Bush, the world didn't blow up while he was in there.

Oh yeah, that and Teflon.

thanks for all the "sorry's", but no big deal, really.....just nature's way of telling me I had too much stuff.....have you tried to pick up a box of vinyl records lately? very heavy....anyway, I still have a few hundred left......I might burn them too.......lol

"Oh yeah, that and Teflon."

ROFL! Yes, Ed! How did he DO it? Even Iran Contra rolled off him. I even hear Democrats speaking semi-fondly of that man!

If the American economy rights itself in the next six months, do you really think anyone will care if Bushy brays while riding his hobby horse on the front porch of his so-called "ranch"....... or if Cheney shouts out "I told you so" from the balcony of his luxury condo in Dubai.....

hell..... I wouldn't care if Rummy takes the lectern and announces that "you have to go with the economy you have"......

that is..... "if" the American economy rights itself.....

the real problem is that it's no longer just an "American" economy..... it's a world economy..... and I'm not so sure the Asian countries give a damn whether Americans can continue to buy their electric can openers.....

hey.... no offense to small dog owners..... but I'm with Obama on this one....

after 8 yrs of those frou-frou scotties..... I'd love to see a larger breed (think Clinton's fondness of Labs) back in the WH....

OSH.... I LOVE IZ's version of Over the Rainbow...... no one knows rainbows any better than Hawaiians...... I've been to Oahu,Maui and the Big Island.... and rainbows are everywhere....

Sturge -- you remind me of when I was a kid and our house burned, completely demolishing the second floor (where my bedroom was). The only thing I had left was one pink dress that was downstairs in the clothes hamper. And years later when the "better-live-in-the-moment song" -- "Is That All There Is" started with that line about the fire....I understood perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTpFUT-lxls&feature=related

How's the weather today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxOKBjAJfng&feature=related

Hi Craig,

I think Obama is doing what is right. He has gone out on a limb to prop up as much as he can without hurting the out going president any further and losing ground with the part of the population that doesn't trust him.

With the example of FDR wait and clear loss of ground before the Inauguration. Obama is just trying to slow the whirlpool down.

If he's taken an Historical Hit for the country, I say thanks. At least he's trying something.

Ha.....peggy lee............."Is that all there is to a burning uninhabited mobile home"? lol

one less mobile home to move when the place sells.....places selling is of big interest around here....a friend sidi has a small family farm and flower and gift place right outside the two big gated resort islands.......he put up a sign:

Wanted: Real Estate Agents
To Pick Beans.

--sidi

"Hugh Hendry, who oversees about $500 million as co-founder of Ecletica Asset Management in London, said he’s buying World War I debt on the bet the U.K. is due for its worst round of deflation since the Great Depression. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abVZaxzIf.cQ&refer=home

World War I debt? lol

Jack

Craig,
So What?

Bush can cling to what ever delusion he wants
history will not make him the next Harry Truman

"The best hope to keep the global economy growing may be people like Wei Yufang. A peasant who farms a small plot beside the mud-brown Huaihe River in central China, Wei has a modest dream: to buy an air conditioner to give her family relief from the dusty heat that each summer envelops Xiaogang (Little Hill) village in Anhui province. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aajYkzL_xTWY

When the developing world peasants are going to be the economic force that pulls us out of recession......................

We are so screwed.

Jack

Patsi... I bet your dog isn't a no show at chow time. :-) and

I agree with RR, bring back the big dogs like Buddy.

I'm hip sturge, I've been dragging our collection around for over ten years- 3 moves and they're a huge pain in the back. Since I'm not a purist it makes it doubly hard to justify having the damn things with ipods and mp3.

Like everyone here I hope Obama has success with our economy regardless of who gets credit. Besides W won't have that big of a megaphone next summer and he'll be in hiding from subpoenas along with the other criminals in his admin.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178107

Renee,

There is nothing "frou frou" about a Scottie. The problem is the owner. Now when a good Democrat such as FDR had a Scottie, the image was hardly wimpy.

The Republicans are already referring to this the "Obama" recession. If it improves, they will claim that Bush laid the groundwork.

The only thing this "amicable" turnover is getting us is a slight improvement in the eyes of the world that we still do this in an orderly, non violent fashion. George has screwed up so much that at least he seems to be leaving town with some grace.

Oh Laura was asked where they would be living. She answered that they would probably split their time between Dallas and "the ranch". Anyone want to take bets on just how little time there will be at the potemkin village of political "cowboy" image?

I see the DOW is off to a good start,
down 300 points

Jack

"George has screwed up so much that at least he seems to be leaving town with some grace."

He hasn't left yet. Something will turn ugly and get screwed up.

"I see the DOW is off to a good start, down 300 points"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gu6EnpsDBc

"I see the DOW is off to a good start,
down 300 points"

I'm not surprised. The first headline I saw on Yahoo this morning was that the European and most Asian stocks fell sharply, and was realizing how predictable it was that we were next.

Jack, That was so nice reading this morning about how your mother was at your Thanksgiving table. Glad to hear she's doing so much better than expected (and reading too!).

Sea, Love that version of 'Somewhere over the rainbow you linked'. Thanks.

Not sure what is upsetting the markets unless it is a hangover as the first full trading day since the mumbai attacks. The Nikkei and the CAC both took a bath overnight and now the DOW seems to be doing the same.

The is one ugly shade of red. Let's see if another Obama cabinet announcement can turn it around for the fourth time.

"We are so screwed."

You know Jack, I don't really think we are. We, as a country, are just way overdue in making the changes we've needed to make to adapt to the changes in the world. That's had a lot to do with our leadership. Hopefully our new leadership will move forward and straighten it all out. These things that are happening are just warning signs, and it's time for us to adapt.

I'm hoping for change.........

Jamie

World manufacturing numbers came out. Also the real black friday numbers probably don't look as good as the the rosie stories I saw over the weekend.

Walmart stock is dropping.
I stopped by Walmart friday afternoon and had no trouble running in and buying a bag of cat food. I was in and out in 5 min.
That is faster than midweek.

Jack

Someone quoted Ted Turner over the weekend, something about Don't mind the wind, just adjust your sails (I'm sure I butchered that), but I just realized how right he is

"Walmart stock is dropping"

Ha! Certainly through no fault of mine. :)

"Bush can cling to what ever delusion he wants".

Katherine, He has too. That's all he lives on, delusions.

Chloe

Get out there and spend,

Your country needs you.

Jack

And I never let them down Jack.

How Do We Start Growing Again?
Remove the barriers to productivity.
"When we look at the U.S. economy today, the risks to future growth are positively trivial relative to what the citizens of other countries have endured. Assuming the hysterics are even remotely correct about what a bank or company failure would mean for the economy, the future is secure no matter the health of certain companies presently deemed too big to fail."

Off to support my country.
Happy December 1'st everyone. :)

oops...

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/11/30/productivity-stimulus-growth-oped-cx_jt_1201tamny.html

Playing with the stock market reminds me of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSev8AbB2SA

Jack

Craig:

Some people may have been gullible enough to buy into Mr. Bush's lies about "mission accomplished" or "the surge is working" because he was talking about occurrences in far-off lands and because the FOX fools repeated his silly assurances. But his lies won't work with regard to the economy, as most everyone feels the direct effect of what he has brought about with his inattention and his intentional deregulation. When you hit people in the pocketbook, they remember. The investment losses, benefit losses and job losses have had an immediate impact, and Mr. Bush's lies will be dismissed for what they are. Too, finally, blessedly, some people may recognize the truth about President Reagan, who began the deregulation that led to the current disaster, and "Saint Ronnie" will lose his luster if pundits take the time to give Reagan "credit" for his misdeeds.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178138

Chloe

I think he is right, for the long term. It is the short term that some of us have to worry about.

In the end it will be our creativity and hard work along with our love of that bright shiny bauble that will pull us out. Our basic fundamentals are strong, we just have to work our way out of the rough spot.

Jack

Hi, all.

I'm now locked out of typekey by our firm's filters. I'll see how this goes, but if it's too much a PITA I'll be lurking with only an occasional comment. I've never had much luck with the captcha stuff, so this may be in vain anyway.

Sturg, sorry to hear about the fire. I keep a pile of vinyl around, thinking such gems as Hendrix's Are You Experienced? and the Beatles' White Album will pay LP's way through college (but knowing better).

Dogs, I go for mutts. They seem to be hardier, but none are hypo. My ex BIL was allergic to dog hair, so he and my sis got a Golden Retriever. Worked for him, and it was definitely not a girly dog (whatever that is).

Apparently the retail sales report from the weekend and some other upcoming econ reports are depressing investors. I contributed by buying $3 worth of xmas ball hanger hooks. Hope it helped.

Pogo

" If all goes well ........... "

If bother, if.

Pogo,

Everyone's been having trouble with type key, Don't give up, it just a transition period inconvenience. If you sign in and out 3 or 4 times in a row, it usually begins to work for you again. (I think Jamie actually reregistered with them under her same name, and that worked).

Hi Everyone -- I miss being able to stick around and chat longer -- but work beckons. All this dog talk. (Really sad to read about Pepper, Patd.)

Is anyone watching the press conference? What is it with that podium being sized only for the men -- and making the women look Lilliputian? That should have been handled better. As a short person, I object.

Will try to come back later to linger longer -- miss y'all!

~Alicia

Man what the hell is the problem with Typepad, the new Typekey? Every fricken time I re-log into it, and post something, the post is not accepted because I am not signed in ... GRRRRR.

Sorry, but I'm done now... this is too irritating.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178142

Jack, I'm supposed to be long gone, but just want to say I think you're right. And that Kenny Rogers song you linked is perfect right now. It's my favorite of his, and says it all. That song is one to live by.

what I POSTED before and was lost, was to commend President-elect on his National Security team, and I was lucky enough to get home just before Hillary gave her speech, and those that followed. Robert Gates did seem out of place, but it's probably the right decision to keep him on (FOR NOW).

Tom

P.S. Is anyone else having problems since the change over from Typekey to Typepad?

" Anyone want to take bets on just how little time there will be at the potemkin village of political "cowboy" image?"

Ha! Yep, Jamie....Dallas, here they come....

The thought for the day is a really sappy one about parachutes and minds. I refuse to cut and paste it.

But it's a big day for birthdays, and theater history.

1944 John Densmore Los Angeles CA, drummer (Doors-Light My Fire)
1945 Bette Midler Aiea HI, singer (Wind Beneath My Wings, Do You Want to Dance?)/actress (Beaches, First Wives Club)

1903 "The Great Train Robbery", the 1st Western film, released
1957 Sam Cooke and Buddy Holly and Crickets debut on Ed Sullivan Show
1959 12 nations sign a treaty for scientific peaceful use of Antarctica
1959 The 1st color photograph of Earth received from outer space

Thanks, chloe, but I don't get that far. Not such a problem - this works OK as long as it accepts my captcha entries.

I did get e chuckle out of that editorial from Forbes you posted. Imagine, an editorial in Forbes taht calls for lower taxes on the top earners, eased trade restrictions and no spending to energize the economy. Who could have predicted that??

I was away from US news except for CNN Headline news and the Cancun version of the Miami Herald last week, and I can tellyou that US politics are not foremost in the mind of anyone in the Yucatan - except Americans.

And I've never seen such a low level of tourism there in the decade or so I've been visiting there. They've quit publishing the occupancy rates in the MH, but what is usually about 85% around the Thanksgiving holiday was about 65% by my WAG. No need to make restaurant reservations anywhere (except to get the comp drink you get when the concierge makes the reservation), no lines at any of the attractions, and even WalMart was decidely less full of Americans buying cheap food and booze than I've ever seen it - and the exchange rate was better (as high as 13.97 pesos/dollar) as I have EVER seen it.

I did hear people (Americans, of course) wondering aloud about Obama keeping Gates on board. I'd think it would be absolutely a gas telling him to have his commanders plan a withdrawal from Iraq. And if I hear "team of rivals" again, my head just may explode.

Bonus Religious event -

1145 - Pope Eugene III sent a papal bull to the French King, Louis VII, proclaiming the Second Crusade. Led by Louis and Emperor Conrad III from 1147_49, the crusade failed to accomplish its goal.
--------------------
That's putting kindly.

Pogo,

I admit it. When I read an article, I only see the part I want to see. :)

On the captcha's, just keep clicking preview until you get one you can read easily. It always works.

Hope you had a great holiday.

"One's philosophy is not best expressed in words;
it is expressed in the choices one makes.
In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape ourselves.
The process never ends until we die.
And, the choices we make are ultimately our own responsibility."

Eleanor Roosevelt

Bye again.

I am not worried what Bushes legacy will be---- it is already set in concrete-it has been a compete failure, and can't be changed,,,even the people that do not follow politics know this

What choice do the American people have except to put their heads down and get to work----what worries me is the course that we are put on-----if i have learned one thing is that you can't be all over the map and expect good results.

I am hopeful that for the first year Obama will take it's time to study the results of whatever he is going to implement first and adopt to do whatever is the best way to see it thru and get it done,,,then he can be a little more aggressive,,,,if the bail outs proved one thing, is that you can't just throw money at the problem and expect results-----I for one am preparing for the long haul,,and hoping for the best--

Pogo -
Thanks for the Mexico feed back. 2 days ago I saw a report on the drug war killings there. 6,000 in 2 years.
More bodies and heads this morning in Tijuana.

Solar

I think the Clinton administration proved one thing. Responsible governing goes a long way toward solving economic problems.

Jack

From the "Week End in Tijuana" file -

More than 30 killed this weekend in Tijuana

TIJUANA – The decapitated bodies of three police officers were found alongside six other beheaded corpses Sunday during a weekend of violence in which 34 people were killed in different sections of Tijuana.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081130-2119-bn30tjdead1.html

Yep, Bob. Mexico is the new Colombia, or something like it. Really none of that in Cancun, though - just sun, tourism and weather that I could wake up to every day and not get too bored with.

I did see an article in the paper about overfishing of an indigenous fish there (I think it is the hogfish) that I thought you might find interesting. It's a fish that feeds off the algae on the coral, helping the coral grow. It can't be caught by hook or net becaues of what it eats and where it eats it, so it's caught by divers exclusively - mostly by spearfishing - and it tastes so good because of its diet that it is a huge draw in the local restaurants (at least they say so - I never have tried it and won't after reading that).

San Antonio News, gunrunning series....

http://www.mysanantonio.com/Gun_Running_Series_Part_1.html

Jack---agreed------that is why they have so many ex clinton people on board with them---they want the to steer the ship for the time being, so they can survive the rough waters----they are also there to show were they made mistakes under clinton----so, if Obama is going to be smart he will take that as his learning time ----Clinton had a good mix of center to right ideas that worked----can it be duplicated ???

"The word “bailout,” which shot to prominence amid the financial meltdown, was looked up so often at Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary that the publisher says it was an easy choice for its 2008 Word of the Year"

For that and other gloomy tidbits,

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1134977

Jack

Well these reports might help explaint the Dow's plunge this morning. Manufacturing and housing are down - no, really.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/business/economy/02econ.html

Don't look good, do it?

Colorado Bob:

Woody Allen, too, was born on this day (in 1935).

Pogo ---my parents at retired to the State of Jalisco ----we came form La Barca J------average temp all year round is 70-72 If i didn't have so many commitments here in the U S I would share my time going back and forth-------was planning import -----export biz-----probably ----trk motors-----and construction equipment-----now that is all just a thought ----but im still day dreaming about it-----im kinda persistent---that is why I asked you that question, about licenses.

Pogo -
Mexico is in an epic battle, the rule of law or the Narco State .

I think the price of corn, didn't help. NAFTA screwed those small farmers bad. Then the run - up in commodity prices, screwed everybody there.
Plus, their oil production is plunging, oil is their top earner. Mexico's oil fields lead the world in production declines.

Jack,

The stockmarket is now more than 400 points down giving up most of the upside of last week. Kind of reminds me of this song (complete with the almost never heard intro) by Dr. John and Odetta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3KoJj4dz2I

This version is so good, the stock market going up would make me think of it. :-)

On a less serious note....for Steve Earle fans....here is his son, Justin Townes Earle...

http://www.myspace.com/justintownesearle

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178168

And we have all been more neurotic ever since.

BJIB -

Lot's of artistic people born today, Yesterday's was really short , today's is a whopper.

http://www.scopesys.com/today/

CBob

The 12 nation treaty was an outgrowth of the very first International Geophysical Year 1957 * 1958

http://www.nas.edu/history/igy/

And produced one of the most hilarious books ever written about scientific observation: Penguins Have Square Eyes by Patrick Trese

Now out of print so I could only fined used for sale or try your library.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000KO6PLO/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1228151698&sr=1-2&condition=all

It is laugh out loud hilarious with things such as why the Emporer Penguins are green and almost sit down and bawl when he gets too involved and goes to war with the egg eating skuas.

1929 Dick Shawn

Pirate info -

1968 Pirate Radio Modern (259) (England) begins transmitting

The Clash - London Calling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqO1b-5RsAs

"finally, blessedly, some people may recognize the truth about President Reagan, who began the deregulation that led to the current disaster, and "Saint Ronnie" will lose his luster if pundits take the time to give Reagan "credit" for his misdeeds."

ben, don't hold your breath. msm seems to put more value on ronnie's morning in america schtick and less on the dawg's peace and prosperity reality. guess the crime of messing with interns is worse than messing with guns for drugs.

Funny about the platform problems.
I'm not having any problems on Firefox.
It's the same old clunky code.

It's not the one from Crooks and Liars though, That's code worth sealing.

Rick and I were discussing the economy over the weekend...... and I agree with his assessment..... the world's economy is becoming a more level playing field..... many poorer country's standard of living such as India's and or China's are coming up..... meanwhile the USA's standard of living is coming down.....

this is something that many people have predicted would happen.....

so let me repeat the phrase Chloe said this morning..... which is spot on, IMO....

"we are just way overdue in making the changes we've needed to make to adapt to the changes in the world"......

a great cartoon

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/socialism-rich.jpg

More pirate music -

Big Audio Dynamite - The Globe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0pGEpbI5A

"meanwhile the USA's standard of living is coming down....."

Renee

I don't believe that is so.
While the Standard of living around the world has been growing so has ours.
A properly functioning economy is not a zero sum game where your gain is my loss that is a sick economy.

A healthy economy is where we all win where your gain is my gain too and that is what we have seen for the last 50 years.

Jack

Not having any problems with IE. I deleted all cookies and then came here, clicked sign in and entered by user name and password, gaver permission to share email with Craig, clicked on remember me, then came back here ... all is working fine.

We have been in a recesson since Dec. 2007 according to Bureau of Economic Research.

Bush doesn't like that report. Most of us could have told the Bureau that they are right, and we didn't need to wait for the figures.

Our family started noticing problems around us more than six months ago.

Triangle shirtwaist factory fire

http://www.last.fm/music/Rasputina/_/My+Little+Shirtwaist+Fire

Depressing

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178184

Jack, Are you suffering from some form of "I'm not hurting so everything is okay" oblivion?

The buying power of the average family's income has dropped around a $1,000 per year. Maybe chopping off $100 or more a month from your income wouldn't be noticeable but in a family of four earning under $50,000, it's a big hit.

My daughter has a good job. To keep from laying off more people in addition to those taking early retirement, they are asking employees to cut one day a month from their schedules. No they don't get paid and have to pick up the work load for people not at work, but at least they keep their jobs.

Jamie -
International Geophysical Year 1957 * 1958
That's the first time, a treaty ever interested me. I've been into Antarctica ever since . First the thing I ever did on the net was follow an iceberg. -

Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station
Current Weather
12/01/2008
17:45:00 GMT
Temperature
-35.5°C -31.9°F
WindChill
-49.2°C -56.6°F

http://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm
-------------------
Nothing as beautiful in nature as seeing Emperor penguins swimming. Long trails of bubbles. just beautiful in that soupy water.

Life of Penguins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glUNZtjgQk

As my kids would say....I think I hear the WHAAAAbulance coming....:)

" Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories," California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/01/bush-administration-weake_n_147311.html

CBob

About halfway down the page on this link is an excerpt from the book about the monumental drinking that took place in Australia prior to taking off for Antarctica

http://www.radiocom.net/vx6/routine.htm

ScienceDaily (Nov. 30, 2008) — The 2008 Atlantic Hurricane Season officially comes to a close on November 30, marking the end of a season that produced a record number of consecutive storms to strike the United States and ranks as one of the more active seasons in the 64 years since comprehensive records began.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081129124902.htm

------------------------

I think we're about to do the same thing with tornadoes as well.

Strictly routine! Strictly routine!
Going to the Pole in a flying machine!

Good one Jamie

SYDNEY, Dec. 1, 2008 (Reuters) — At least 150 whales have died in a mass stranding off Tasmania's west coast, Australian authorities said on Sunday, despite the efforts of rescuers who managed to shepherd a small number back to the ocean. ....................
Last week, 64 long-finned pilot whales were stranded at Anthony's Beach on Tasmania's north-west coast. Eleven of those whales were rescued and returned to sea.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre4at0pn-us-australia-whales/

Jack, LOL. Details, details.

pogo,
Looking back I think that someone mistook Jack (whiskey) for me and vice versa.

"The county is trying to avoid filing what would be the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history..."

"Jefferson County's bonds went sour as the mortgage crisis hit and banks tightened up on lending, sending credit costs for the bonds skyrocketing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/birmingham_mayor

Jack....
I respectively disagree with you...... I was not thinking about how well Rick and I are doing...... we're doing just fine..... Rick recently received a big award for his yearly work and we started thinking about another vacation on the Big Island (Hawaii) this past weekend.....

but when I turn my attention to my nieces' and nephew's future..... I see something quite different......

I'll take one niece..... she's 24 yrs old..... recently graduated from a school in Boston with a degree in architectural design..... she'd like to get her masters, but is butt deep in debt already from college bills..... to make ends meet, she shares the renting of a house with 5 others students.... plus has been working full time for the past 3 years while she finished her last 2 years of schooling part-time....

It will take her years to pay off those debts..... she drives a beat up old car....
and the thought of saving for a down payment on a house is no where in sight.....

at that age..... I'd been married for 3 years.... Rick went to graduate school and we paid for it cash..... I finished my last 2 years of college and we paid for it cash..... and we had just bought the 3 acres of land our house sits on..... and yes.... we paid for it cash....

I don't see her standard of living being anywhere near mine and Rick's when she reaches her 50s.... but then.... it would be great if I was wrong.....

now I shouldn't even be on this machine..... I should be working..... :)

c'bob - Is the Navy down there practicing with their sonic weapons and forcing them to land themselves to escape the noise?

"I seem to recall a few days him bragging about how well his IRA is doing, and finding it odd that others aren't as fortunate as he is. "

More BS directed at anyone who declines to be your butt boy.

CB, a few days ago you wrote a comment about the oxygen-depleted Black Sea benthos. At the time, it made me recall a mid-90s article in the Atlantic Monthly where, in Central Africa, a large lake with lots of C02 at the bottom decided to 'flip' releasing all the C02 into the atmosphere. The result was the death of every living creature within miles.

So, what would happen if the Black Sea decided to go belly up? Is such a thing plausible? And, the URL you attached said the nefarious substance at the 'bottom' of that body is something with which I'm intimately familiar, hydrogen sulfide. Would a sudden, massive release of that gas be the death of everyone in Asia Minor?

jax, that makes sense. You did comment on how well your investments were doing.

blue - my hometown. Figures.

Renee -- I really fear higher education is going to be a much more "selective" experience down the line....unless something drastic happens. School costs are skyrocketing...and as the economy goes south, so will the jobs many college students were able to find. I know waitresses who say that they are in serious trouble now -- less hours, worse tips, fewer customers, the whole bag of bad.

blue, navy sonic was the first thing that popped into my head to when i read c-bob's post. quote from link:
"Theories include disturbance of echo-location, possibly by interference from sound produced by human activities at sea."

Pogo,
They've done OK....nothing to go crazy over. I was just trying to point out that the market is still worth being in.
I've also lost plenty of money in up markets.....go figure...

jack, look at handelsman's 2nd cartoon on this link. his nov 11th one is pretty good too about the big three auto cos.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/opinion/walthandelsman/blog/

You may be right that bush wants to claim a piece of the recovery, but he cannot escape being the one who caused it, or the one didn't stop it earlier better said. All the presidents from bush II back to reagan share some of the blame.

Another scenario that occurs to me from time to time is that the current occupant will by doing nothing will arrange for the mess to become much worse once Obama takes office so that the repubs can prevail in 2010.

Patsi,
I do think that kids will have to take a look at what kindsof education are really worth the expense. I think we'll see a big decrease in the Bachelor, masters, doctorate route with no work experience. When I returned to school to get my MBA over half of the students there had just finished their bachelors and were going on to get their masters because they didn't want to enter the work force yet.

not nov 11 wrong date for big three auto. it was nov 19th 'toon.

Quite awhile back I remember reading that one of the theories put forth about "The Bermuda Triangle" was this "flipping" that would result in the sinking of any ship that happened to be on the water above it or even a plane in the air.

Sounded pretty far fetched but in the realm of possibility as such things always are.

AmBlue, I don't think credit is due a president for presiding over any recovery froma recession he presided over the creation of. In legal terms, it's invited error. I am happy to give him credit for the recession, though.

CB, jamie, what with the theory of thermodynamics and bernouli's principles and stuff like that there, it still sounds far fetched.

Patsi, 'xactly (on all counts). :-)

blue, a follow-up to the piece you linked about my home town.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/us/02birmingham.html?hp

may be some bad doin's down there.

Quite a commentary on the Walmart employee who was trampled to death.

http://historymike.blogspot.com/

"It will take her years to pay off those debts..... she drives a beat up old car....
and the thought of saving for a down payment on a house is no where in sight....."

Renee,
I believe that is called being 24, From the numbers you gave I have to believe that she didn't choose the most frugal options either.
However, I see no reason she shouldn't have as great or greater oportunities for her future as you did. I have seen all of my nieces and nephews so far move on a path that will exceed their parents. When I look at the vast expanded family of cousins and their children I see much the same thing. The variations being if they have gone to college / advanced technical schooling or not.
Once things have been straightened out, I see no reason that the next generation will do better than their parents.

Jack

Correction:
Once things have been straightened out, I see no reason that the next generation will not do better than their parents.

lol
editing on the fly

"I stopped by Walmart friday afternoon and had no trouble running in and buying a bag of cat food. "

I trust you didn't trample anyone!.

I hope that "temp" worker's family at least gets a nice punitive damage award.

Renee

Is a degree in architecture design, architecture or art ?

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178203

Renee,

Virtually the same for my ex and I. We had both attended a Junior College for just the price of books and a minimal fee of about $15 per class. Once married we were working full time, taking college classes in the evening (again virutally free) and had just bought a home using a $3,000 gift from an aunt for a down payment on a $21,900 four bedroom home.

The costs for San Jose State are now horrendous even for a State University and that house is valued at over $400,000. What 21 and 19 year old couple could afford that today?

Rez

That is a tragedy,
Remember my people work at walmart.

But it is also strange, what is at walmart that should cause that kind of frinzzy. Poepel do know wall mart does rain checks right?

Must be a New York thing.

Jack

At 9:51 this morning Rez was speaking of George Bush:

"He hasn't left yet. Something will turn ugly and get screwed up."

Rez,

Don't tell me he's going to trade Sammy Sosa again?!

Jamie,
Unfortunately, the answer is to leave California. It's hopelessly overpriced. Before I started my own business I was offered a job running the largest container terminal in LA/Long Beach. They offered to double my salary (which was already good). I did the numbers and the housing/school thing simply didn't work even with a crazy salary increase.

Jax

That's pretty much what brought me to Washingotn once I retired. There was no way, I could afford the state even as much as I love it.

Jamie,
The people that bought my first house here in Texas were retiring from the San Fran Bay area. They moved from an 1800 sqft home in an ok neighborhood to a 3800 sqft home with a pool in a master planned community 3 mi from Johnson Space center. Their biggest difficulty was figuring out how to spend more money on renovations on our house because they had so much cap gain exposure on their home in San Fran.

As with every succeeding generation, some will do better and some will do worse. The issue is whether as a group, the GDP will grow sufficiently to allow them to enjoy a std, of living higher or lower than their parents' generation. The cost of college has outpaced inflation at rates similar to the cost of healthcare. Housing - at least single family dwellings - has also outpaced inflation, so 3 of the big 5 (I'm assuming that food and energy on the whole have about kept pace with inflation) stand against the conclusion that the upcoming generation will do as well or better than their parents. Of course there are foreclosures out there that we didn't have as options. And I just don't buy the assumption that a community college education can stack up to one gotten at a major university. Add the unfunded liabilities of Medicare and Social Security to the mix, and the tax cuts that supposedly supercharged the economy during the Reagan, then Bush 43 years (an illusion that has since evaporated) are relics of a bygone age. Does all that mean the next generation won't do better than the past ones? Not necessarily, but it does mean that the obstacles to getting there appear to be getting more formidable.

Jamie

It is California, around here it is worth $100,000 and if in the wrong area as little as $50,000.

an example will be the 4 bedroom 2 story next door to me is in foreclosure and may go for $50,000. But I wouldn't be surprised at $35,000 like the house down the street.
If it does I will probably buy it to control the tenant that comes in.

Jack

Ed, I was thinking more along the lines of some further admin screwup in the middle east, but anything's possible. I'm not sure he can even leave town gracefully.

Jack, "Remember my people work at walmart." Bring me up to speed here. I can take that several ways.

I think that could happen anywhere the mgmt. doesn't plan for it. single file Indian style. Heard that as a kid everyday at lunch. lol

Pogo,
I definitely remember this exact line of discussion. I went to high school during the Carter years. 1977-1980. I vivdly remember the pessimism for the future my generation. It all turned out to be unfounded. In the end I realized that the media, punditry and conventional wisdom was just another hurdle to overcome.....it still is today

Jack, if you want to know what the rush was about, visit W-M next black Friday. They have incredible deals on certain items, limited to what's in stock..F'rinstance - they advertised a Dell desktop computer, dual core processor, 4 G of ram, loaded up with software (probably a printer, too) for $600. I went into W-M on that dreaded day 3 years ago, and the deals then were pretty impressive (my father in law wanted a cheap DVD player they had advertised, so I got tagged to go). And that was 3 years ago, before everyone thought the sky was falling financially. I was impressed by some of the deals they were offering - but left with just the DVD player I went in for. But as good as they were, I'd have to agree with you that they aren't good enough to stampede over an employee opening the door, fuhchrissake.

Pogo,

FYI. Heard an expert today say: given the increased productivity of the American worker over the last thirty years, the minimum wage ought to be around $19/hr. Interesting if true.

Jack...
she didn't go to Harvard.... she went to Boston College....
she had to study lots and lots of math and stuff like load bearing walls.... at the moment, she's working full-time for a company that sells fancy moldings and other architectural doodads through the internet..... she's hoping to find a job where they will help her finance her master's degree.....

and yes... it is called being 24 "nowadays"....
but my point was it sure looks different from when I was 24.....
that song I linked to the other week that OSH was trying to find..... the one about going to the country, building a home and planting a lot of peaches..... I linked to the John Denver version.... and he couldn't have been any older than 24 when he did it.... yet here he is singing away about building a home..... go find some 24 yr olds now and go talk to them about that topic..... I bet you'd get some really strange looks.....

but like I said..... hope I'm wrong and you're right.....

jax, I was on the front end of that phenom, just coming out of grad school. Things got better, then worse, then better, and now worse. It's cyclical, but the fundamentals are based on population balances and growth. The first is pretty much zero sum, and the second is not known until it happens.

Gotta go pickup the pooch from the vet - later, all.

Good God why does anyone book Christopher Hutchins? He's only one step above Dick Morris in Clinton hatred and that is only because Christopher has a better vocabulary.

"He just said God said she wasn't driving right, and she needed to be taken off the road," Bexar County Sheriff's Office spokesman Kyle Coleman said in the online edition of the San Antonio Express-News. "God must have been with them, 'cause any other time, the severity of this crash, it would have been a fatal."

The pickup driver did not tell police how the woman was driving. Police could not find alcohol or drugs in either driver.

A psychiatric evaluation has been ordered for a man.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/01/national/a121419S71.DTL&tsp=1

wow

I feel the worst for people who have been forced into financial ruin due to medical bills.

A big chunk of that recent meterorite that caused such a stir has been found

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081129-ap-canada-meteorite.html

Sure Bush will...good point, Craig. I don't care how much Tom Friedman says "the Surge won the war", I ain't buying it.
Of course Bush and his revisionist historians will try to make it seem Bush "ended the Iraq War honorably" or some such nonsense, but we who lived through the past five years , following the war on a daily basis know the truth...the war was illegitimate all the way...there can be no honor to its ending, whenever it may arrive.
Keeping Gates on does make Bush look a little better in historians' eyes, I reckon...but man, Hawk after Hawk after HAWK were lined up on the teevee today behind Obama....it's already clear that the Obama presidency will emphasize war ... wars already in progress and wars in the near-future, because Obama will not be trigger-shy, at all....

JAMIE ! I am off to Alberta with a one-kilogram scale!! METEORITE !!!

Dex

Bush won't get any credit but Gates will get credit for guiding things to a soft crash instead of the hard one that was happening.

Jack

Dexter

I prefer to take a more positive view of those "Hawks". They want OUT of Iraq because it is destroying the military, and they are behind the guy who will bring it to an end as soon as possible while still emphasizing diplomacy for the whole region.

Joy (and spinach dip) in Hillaryland
"It wasn’t the moment those in Hillaryland dreamt about earlier in the year but, hey, they’ll take it."
http://dyn.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/index.cfm/category/Leadership

Hillary calls Patterson, PelosiAs soon as Hillary Clinton landed in Chicago, she began working the phones.

Here's who she called (in order):
N.Y. Gov. Gov Patterson
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Sen. John Kerry, incoming chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee
Sen. Dick Lugar, ranking Republican, Foreign Relations Committee
Rep. Howard Berman, Chairman House Foreign Relations Committee
Rep. IIleana Ros-Lehtinen, ranking Republican House Foreign Relations Committee
Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader
John Boehner, House Minority Leader
UPDATE: She also called Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Charlie Rangel.

Sturge - you don't seem to be overly distraught by the fire damage you had, but I have to say that I was horrified by your story. I have some belongings (just a few) that I would be grief-stricken if I lost, mostly old pictures.

Jack - I also loved the story of your mom's return to your Thanksgiving table. It almost sounds as if she had some infections that they managed to clear up.
What a great treat for your family.

Bush is going to claim a lot of credit and is already doing so. HA! Fat lot of good it's doing him.

I suspect the field of higher education is going to re-align itself. The term 'bachelor's degree' has been co-opted out of its meaning, and will necessitate some change. Trade and tech schools are valuable for many people - maybe they could go to four years and be different from a university education only in some graduation requirements, i.e. liberal arts. Something needs to be done to clear up the mess it's all in now.

Liberal voters to keep pressure on Obama:

http://www.freep.com/article/20081201/NEWS15/81201009

This just in:

David Gregory To Moderate "Meet The Press".

David Gregory will take the reins as moderator of NBC's "Meet the Press," the Huffington Post has learned. News at 10

The Canada meteorite story reminds of a stop my daughter and I made on our cross-country trek a few years ago. I thought we were in Texas by the time we made the stop, but this author's description fits, so I guess we were near Flagstaff.

http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:1-dB0N6KBTQJ:www.americansouthwest.net/arizona/meteor_crater/+texas+%2B+crater&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

It's not a great enough attraction to make the trip for, but I'm glad we stopped while we were in the neighborhood. If they find a similar hole in Canada, I'll plan on stopping there on my way to somewhere.

"she didn't go to Harvard.... she went to Boston College"

But another very expensive private college. When compared to the public university.
University of Mass ----------- $5,312.50
Boston College--------------- $35,284.00

Where did you go to college, Renee?

There is a big difference between private and public and often not that big a benifit. One of my nephews went to the local directional U and ended up a Microsoft millionaire.

Jack

Jack...
I went to a state college in Massachusetts called Fitchburg State.... at the time, my tuition was only $400 a year.....

my niece was born and brought up in Burlington Vermont..... her first 2 yrs were at a local community college..... she went to BC only her last 2 yrs..... she wanted to study architecture and apparently BC has a good program.....

good for your nephew!..... but that does not mean his experience is typical for his generation.....

Anthrax.. LOL

Papers submitted to SCOTUS on Obama case was sent to special unit to check for anthrax contamination. Out of pocket for 10 or more days.

"Today I spoke with Patricia McCabe Estrada, Deputy Director of Public Information at the United States Supreme Court. She informed me that Mr. Donofrio’s application was first referred to the full Court by Justice Clarence Thomas on November 19, 2008. After that referral took place the full Court, and not Justice Thomas alone, distributed the application for an emergency stay for Conference of December 5, 2008."

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/confirmed-by-scotus-donofrio-v-wells-was-distributed-for-conference-of-december-5-2008-by-the-full-united-states-supreme-court/

Rezdog ------------

"Papers submitted to SCOTUS on Obama case was sent to special unit to check for anthrax contamination."

Do you know why this was done? Probably not. Am listening to Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrotnowski discuss this as I post. You really think it's about anthrax?

G man,

Get up to speed. Application got pigeon-holed. Leo and Cort may be trying to poison the Supremes. Gotta check for anthrax.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178257

He's been like that for ages now. He has become unwatchably loathsome. You don't use that much venom on another human being unless you feel guilty about having done something to injure them and now have to justify your actions by turning them into monsters.

I believe all mail that enters DC offices is now automatically screened. It may be that this was hand delivered by messenger and procedure would call for it to be sent for screening.

It's an outgrowth of the whole anthrax scare from a few years ago.

Sounds good Jamie.. they need you at the SCOTUS offices answering the phones LOL

Rezdog ---------------

It's to delay Cort Wrotnowski's case. That's it.

"Those crazy lawyers Gordo follows had their application shanghaied to lockup for anthrax detention."

Only Wrotnowski's case. About 10 day delay for him.

Found it:

Currently only mail to the White House, Congressional offices, and federal government offices in the 202-205 Zip Code exchanges is being irradiated. Irradiation is taking place at facilities in Ohio and New Jersey.

The Supremes are not wanting to wade into the election or selection of POTUS again.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178265

Rez,

Everybody needs me answering the phone. You don't need to know everything, you just need to know where to find everything. lol

Unfortunately, four years as a telephone operator instilled a loathing for the telephone in all its forms and permutations that I think voice mail should have voice mail.

Interesting opening take from KO this evening. Obama isn't putting together a "Team of Rivals". He's assembling a coalition government.

If that is true, then he is viewing the current state of the World's economy, environment and the various wars and depredations as being so serious that it requires a true War Time type cabinet of the strongest possible people to be found to each handle their own assignments without his intervention as he expects to be busy making crucial decisions.

I didnt have time to read today's dostoevski papers.......but on the way home I heard someone gordio always speaks of on one of those shows on AM radio and they were trying their best to make a lot of noise about what our own gordo tries so hard to light a fire under........it was pure-T deja view............I'm so flamperdusted that I'm going back to read today's perusings, amblings, and catalogue of forte's......6atxty

Leo Donofrio said Cort Wrotnowski's case is stronger than his own.

Gordo,

These holdups are all routine just as Jamie has mentioned. All you paranoid conspiracy nutz take an innocent situation and turn it into a sinister event. IMO the Supremes don't want to touch it, but it will all work it's way out into the light of day.

It's what I refer to as being a day late, a dollar short and no tire tool. These guys should have pursued this months ago instead of last minute, which to me makes me suspicious of their intentions. LOL

Leo Donofrio said Cort Wrotnowski's case is stronger than his own.
---gordo

Leo's just being modest.........

Rezdog -----------

NOT routine !!!

You don't know how Donofrio and Wrotnowski got into this about SoetorObama not being a "natural born" citizen.

Obama To Vacation In Hawaii For Christmas

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/obama_to_vacation_in_hawaii_fo.php

I guess he's got some black bag jobs to do. LOL

Relax Gordo,

You got two week.. our gov't is efficient.. they'll make quick work of these examinations.. lol.. don't sweat it....everythings in good hands.

Well I just had three emails from TypePad and they had me update my profile page so lets see if I get my key back now or not.

On another note let me remind everyone what I said about American Troops on Our Streets and the threat it could become from this link for this story.

"The Pentagon expects to have 20,000 soldiers inside the U.S. by 2011 to work with state and local officials in the event of a terrorist attack or another disaster, a controversial move that civil liberties groups say violates a federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement, The Washington Post reported in a front-page story Monday.

“The Pentagon's plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011,” the Washington Post reported. “The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.

“If funding continues, two additional teams will join nearly 80 smaller National Guard and reserve units made up of about 6,000 troops in supporting local and state officials nationwide.”

http://www.pubrecord.org/component/content/530.html?task=view

Gordo

Of course we know. You have told us all about it repeatedly ad nauseum with miles upon miles of verbiage.

The problem is that we don't believe you and think the guys doing this are either crazier than bedbugs or are fleecing the faithful for as much cash as the traffic will bear because they weren't good enough to become TV Evangelists.

It appears that I have my key back. I can now lock my doors behind me.

I wonder if Obama knows about Coconut Island. He should. I don't know if it is still privately owned by the heirs of Mr. & Mrs Edwin Pauley. They donated a large chunk for the use of the University of Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology, but I don't know what happened with the property ownership following their deaths.

http://www.hawaii.edu/HIMB/

In any case, Harry Truman vacationed with the Pauleys when he was President and there was a luxurious private home on the Island that would probably be pretty good from a Secret Service point of view.

Just found the info on Coconut. Barbara Pauley Pagen (remarried after her husband died) sold the private portion of the Island, but there was provision for nine million dollar gift following her death for the university to purchase the private portion if they desired.

http://www.hawaii.edu/ur/News_Releases/NR_Sept98/coco.html

She was a truly beautiful lady and the only job I ever had where the maid brought in a tea tray for my coffee breaks. :-)

gordo's just doing his job.....whassamatta y'all?

I bet gordo didnt have oyster dressing for supper tonight, however....................

Hey........guess what I had for supper??

This is about the CONSTITUTION !!!

The argument is that a "natural born" citizen requires two US citizen parents and birth on US soil.

"Natural born" is the highest level of citizenship and is required for POTUS.

Some of you might learn something about these cases.

"This is about the CONSTITUTION !!"

Super Gordo. . Protector of the Constitution.

Is that the same Constitutrion that sez "guity until proven innocent'' (your words)

Gordo.....una questiona........did you give a flying crap about the constitution from 2001 untill nov 4 2008?

If so, HOW

If not, why not.

Fess up, pardner........now.

Guilty, that is

Pretty well written Wiki article with citations re "natural born"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

Gordo and crowd of fellow birdies in boxes won't like it.

Ok....you guys have here the superb opportunity of asking gordo how he protected the constitution from 2001 until he decided to accept this internet crusade in 2008............

Gordo.......where were you posting from 2001 until now? there are those of us who might take up our driver's license and follow you if you only will prove that you were so adamant about the constitution in, say, 2005......or earlier or later.......just anywhere, somewhere prior to 2008..........got a scrap, pal? a crumb? a left-over tater chip?

Rats.......same old story........

These lawsuits are about the CONSTITUTION !!!
=========================
Donofrio v. Wells, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: Major Updates on Conference, Cort’s Renewed Application

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1317

Seems there are a few "Danny Bickell" clones on the blog.

The out and out Dixiecrats left the party a long time ago. The Blue Dogs are still very much Democrats and judging by the states won, the majority of them voted for Obama.

Now if you mean that only the far left wing of the party are "truly" Democrats, you should be aware that the Democratic party sort of picked up that branch from the Progressives and Socialists and now the far left tail is wagging the Democratic dog, just as the far right evangelical tail is wagging the Republican dog.

wait.........did I say nova scotia?? I meant Alberta........

danny bickell? wow...was I off-base......I was thinking of Danny Morgan........alias "Danny Deckchair"...........

Paul was accused of urging Jew in foreign cities to disregard the laws of Judaism and of treating Jew and non-Jew as if the there were no difference between them—as if Jew and gentile were equally entitled to the blessings of the forthcoming messianic redemption. If such an interpretation of the Jesus cult were ever to spread to Jerusalem, James and his followers were doomed. In Brandons words: “From the Jewish point of view, sch a presentation was not only theologically outrageous, it amounted to apostasy of the most shocking kind, involving both race and religion.
The preserved evidence of Jesus' reported actions and sayings provides now support for Paul;s attempt to scrap the distinction between Jew and no-Jew in the overseas communes. In the Gospel according to Mark, for example, a Syrian Greek woman falls at Jesus' feet and begs to drive out the devils from her daughter. Jesus refuses.”Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread and to cast it to the dogs.” The Syrian Greek woman argues back, saying; “The dogs, under the table eat the children's' crumbs,” whereupon Jesus relents and cures the woman's daughter . “Children” here can only mean “children of Israel” and “dogs” can only mean non-jews, especially enemies like the Syrian Greeks. Incidents and sayings of this sort were preserved in Mark and the other gospels for the same reason that the other vengeful and ethnocentric sayings and actions could not be entirely expunged. There were lively oral traditions upon which the gospels were made. Too many eyewitnesses like James, Peter, and John were still active, eyewitnesses who insisted on the authenticity of the military-messianic and ethnocentric themes, Besides, Mark was Jewish by birth and therefore was probably never entirely free from some degree of ambivalence about the ethnic distinctions that had formerly been insisted upon by the founders of the Jerusalem mother “church” commune, Jesus dispatched rival missionaries instructed to preserve the Judaic significance of Christianity< they were not above jeopardizing Paul's following by impugning his credentials, paul was vulnerable to these attacks because he admitted that he had never seen Jesus except in a vision. Moreover, he continued despite forebodings and oracular warnings, Paul decided to return to Jerusalem and have it out with his accusers. Paul appeared before James as an accused person appears before a judge.James admonished Paul by noting that there were thousands of Jews in Jerusalem who believed in Jesus, yet they were all”zealous of the law”.” He then ordered Paul to demonstrated that he was a loyal Jew and that the charges against him were unfounded---to demonstrate “that thou walkest orderly and keepest the law.” He demanded that Paul submit to seven days of purificatory rites in the Jerusalem temple, Paul accepted these demands, proving: 1—James, the lord's brother , was the supreme leader of Christendom at that time, 2—James and the Jewish Christians still worshiped in the temple—they had no separate “church” 3—the jewish christians believed that Jesus would return to fulfill the Davidic covenant by making Jerusalem the center of the Holy Jewish Empire,4—all baptized penitent believers in Jesus and Jahweh would be redeem, but Jewish Christians would be redeemed more that the rest. Paul's attempt to reaffirm his loyalty to the Jewish national ideal was cut short, undoubtedly by treachery. A group of pilgrims from Asia recognized him, stirred up a mob, dragged him from the temple, and started to beat him to death. Only the timely intervention of the Roman captain of the guard saved paul on that occasion. Brought tot rrial by the high priests, he again narrowly escaped death. More plots were laid against him, gut he finally managed to escape form Palestine by invoking his Roman citizenship and demanding that he be tried by Romans, not by Jews. He was sent to Rome and kept under house arrest, but what happened to him afterwards in not definitely known.What probably happened to him is that he was martyred in 64 a.d., when the Emperor Nero decided to blame a huge fire in Rome—which his enemies said he himself had set to clear out the slums near his palace- on a convenient new bloodthirsty sect that had arisen among the Jews, members of which were “enemies of mankind.” Too late for Paul, the outbreak of full-scale war in Palestine drastically altered the political context of his aborted mission. By 70a.d. The Jewish Christian mother “church” in Jerusalem no longer held the upper hand over the overseas Christian communities, I t ceased to be a significant force, if it can be said in any sense to have survived the fall of Jerusalem. The protracted revolution of 68-73 thoroughly embittered relationships between the overseas Jews and the romans. Also, it catapulted the very persons responsible for the defeat of the Jews into control of the empire. In 71 a.d. Vespasian and his son Titus held a stupendous triumphal procession –commemorated on the Arch of Titus in Rome—during which jewish prisoners and spoils were marched through the streets while the last zealot-bandit commander of Jerusalem, Simon ben Gioras, was strangled in the Forum. Vespasian thereafter dealt harshly with the Jews in the empire , restricting their liberties and diverting their temple tax to the treasury of Saturn. During he remainder of the first century a.d. anti—Semitism became an established feature of Roman life and letters, it was met with smoldering defiance, insurrection, and intensified repressions that led to the second Armageddon of Bar Kochva in 135 a.d.

I've enjoyed Rhys Ifans ever since the movie "Nottinghill" . Danny Deckchair was fun, but he really has a greater acting range than that required.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178312

Sturge
remember what his sisters tell us,
he ain't no troll.
lol

Oh yeah and he's smart too.

"snicker"

Jack

"Leo Donofrio, Plaintiff in the case Donofrio v. Wells, last week forwarded an official Allegation of Misconduct against Supreme Court of the United States Stay Clerk Danny Bickell to Chief Justice John Roberts for potentially illegally handling Donofrio’s case as submitted to SCOTUS."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1130

thats why i bombed him at that time---what a shit!!

Solar,

I don't mind the things you post since I simply slide by them and others on the blog enjoy reading them, but in the past Craig has requested that there not be long posts, but just enough to know what the article was about with a link to the longer version.

Do you have a blog? It would make it possible for you to type the historical material there and then link to it here for the people that enjoy reading it.

Who's throwing peanuts to the monkey now?

is this about the right size post??

yeah Sturg, you can be a racist and be a Dem. Is that a problem for you?

I think DB might be a great candidate for the Prez Medal of Freedom this year. I better email ole W.

Gordo,

Once Obama is elected by the Electors, don't you think all these cases become moot ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mootness

Have only one more long post---and will be finished with the Jesus stuff-----iI thought that it would be better to post one long one instead of three medium ones----you choose?-but please let me know what is acceptable ---I had thought that Craig had requested that we keep short the information from another news source ---and that other than that long post were ok?---

Jamie im getting tired of the long posts anyway---so when i finish it will be the last of them

"you can be a racist and be a Dem. Is that a problem for you? "

Wow -- I didn't know that. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Judging from this place sometimes, you can be a lot things and be a dem.

Rezdog -------------

"Once Obama is elected by the Electors, don't you think all these cases become moot ?"

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol I don't think I have that many peanuts..

Soon Gordo et al will be switching into the impeachment mode.

"Now you're trying to insult AP? Why?"

Not at all. He's the one who suggested that troops would be in the streets in 2011. By my calculations, President Obama will be in charge.

Imaging guru: 'Certification' of birth time, location is fake

"It's a scary thought to have someone who essential begins his presidency as a criminal," he said, because the use of a faked document as identification, is, in fact, a crime.

"It would be hard to perform as president from behind jail cell door at Leavenworth," he said.

Polarik said the issue of the birth location is a "chink" in Obama's armor, but the Democrat also has declined to release information about his college years, about his selective service and about his passports, including on what nation's passport he traveled to Pakistan two decades ago when it was illegal to go there as a U.S. citizen."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82503

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178348

I asked more that once if this blog wanted to read that info----they did! they have (most ) told me to continue-----the long post's was a way to get it over with---that's all

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178349

Solar
Your not offensive in any way.I have enjoyed your knowledge of history and hope you will continue posting all the good info....

RE :
Pilot whales
A few days back I saw a story about the Australian Navy going on vacation . If it's man made, it could one of our subs running that freaky new sonar. They won in court just recently. There's some powerful video of what that sonar does to them . A pod of killer whales off the Northwest Coast, the whale guy had hydro phones in the water. Navy ship in the back ground, whales trying to climb out of the water in the fore ground.

This sonar is really high frequency, and they were operating it on 10. The whole pod freaks out, It's not pretty. There are other reports, from the Caribbean about pilot whales, and these sonars being tested.
This one's on a whale watchers video.
I know I wouldn't want to be in the water with it neither.
If we have to drive whales insane to protect the country, I'm not sure we want to adopt that system.

C-Bob -- That story you posted about the whales was horrifying...and it also contained several other links next to the original story. I read the article fully expecting to hear a voice from above saying, "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

Patsi

I think the material that Solar was posting was interesting. The only reason I skip by them is that I'm familiar with most of the Dead Sea Scroll and Josephus material. My comment had only to do with the length and to offer an alternative.

"Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?

It's either one or the other, as indicated by the release of Barack Obama's official Selective Service registration for the draft."

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

Great little show on PBS tonight on how to save stuff. From their site -

In attics and garages, underneath beds, piled in corners or just closeted away, our heritage is slowly but surely disintegrating. Based on an NET Television program featuring professionals from the Nebraska State Historical Society's Gerald R. Ford Conservation Center and the State Library Commission, this site provides practical and effective methods to help ensure that artifacts, photographs, and documents will survive into the future.

http://www.netnebraska.org/extras/treasures/index.htm

G Man,

I'm with Jamie on these wannabe expose blogsters. All they are out to do is make a buck or get some face time. Poladick is just like the rest. Him and techdude will be trying to sell you their books next year. They got their noses so far up Corci's and Johnson's asses they can smell those two's breath.
Cannon has debunked all their fake BC crap.

btw Obama's heading for HI to scrub it all up.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178360
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178360

Patsi

Just smoking alone doesn't explain the ignorant pride, he has got to be half way through a bottle too.

lol
What a maroon

Jack

CBob,

That is really useful information. If nothing else people should get the acid reduction sleeves to protect any historical or family documents and convert photos to disk and then store the originals safely.

C-Bob -- If I am not mistaken, that doll in the site photo is a Terri Lee....nifty dolls.

"he has got to be half way through a bottle too."

Good idea, actually. I could use a glass of wine.

Everybody needs to put a kitten on their head, and " put a lime in da coconut ....... "

Red red wine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7YY55cGio0

Here comes California -

(12-01) 19:03 PST Sacramento --

With time and money running out for California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a fiscal emergency today and called legislators into a new special session that won't end until they agree on a way to trim the state's $11.2 billion budget deficit.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/01/MN4O14FD1N.DTL&tsp=1

Tennessee Equality Project:

http://www.tnep.org/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178370

I know you don't care if you insult people, in fact you seem to take great pleasure in it!You claim to be an oh so tolerant Liberal Dem.Your words and insults tell a different story..Please, learn to be tolerant of those who have a different opinions than you, otherwise your no different than DICTATOR!!! You have a nice NY evening....

Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC union leaders will meet Dec. 3 in an emergency session in Detroit as the companies seek concessions to win $25 billion in loans with plans due to be sent to Congress tomorrow.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aY9Bc32dA0t0&refer=home

"And while in fact you are old enough to be my mother you are not, so don't think you can boss me around the way you try to boss other people around,"

Not unless she had you when she was VERY young....

"My mistake, it was Jack who called me a moron, Patsi called me a fruitloop. "

Actually, I called you a fruitloop AND a maroon.

C-Bob
Thanks for the link on GM.

Monday Night: Planets Align in a Frown

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/tonight-planets.html

-----------------
There's your problem, your planets are all frownin'.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178332

Sol, I've enjoyed them and "circle back" to read those I skimmed due to time constraints...thanks for your efforts.

C-Bob

We stumped the hell out of my son Tom, about the

Paul Butterfield Blues Band----he never heard of them,,,and wants to know if there are more bands out there that he has never heard about-----he admitted that they are great----thanks he is 35 years old,and thought he knew all the greats----had a good laugh at his expense....thanks

corey...

I did not say Obama would put troops on the street by 2012. I guess Patsi didn't bother reading the link.

Bush has already assigned active duty troops to the Northern Command and they are to be used to maintain order in case of a disaster of terrorist attack.

I commented on that some time ago and now we are seeing more of it being moved forward by executive orders under Patsi's President Bush.

If you think that the people are not going to protest a depression which is coming no matter how much money is thrown into the financial markets to try to shore up the economy then think again.

Here is a short part of a post from October 23rd of this year.

If Izzy was alive today, he might have spent some time with Section 1076 of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. And knowing Izzy, he would have paused just a few paragraphs into the $500 billion, 591-page bill as he noticed that it happen to undermine a centuries-old tenet of American law: the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which restricts the president’s ability to deploy the Army inside the United States.

Before the bill passed, the president could deploy troops inside the United States only if he invoked the Insurrection Act of 1807, which allows for deployment only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition”—and such a “condition” is not defined or limited.

Lo and behold, President Bush has done just this, deploying an entire brigade from Iraq for domestic activities inside the United States. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has, since October 1st, been under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force. Yet the mainstream media has raised nary an eyebrow at this striking expansion of presidential power taken in defiance of centuries of legal precedent—yet another in a series so large as to defy calculation.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/10/posse_comitatus.html

Maybe if those who knock what I say would read the links that I leave they would not try to put words in my mouth.

But than Patsi always interjects herself to cause problems and dissension. She can't help it because its her nature.

Ivy----thank you,,that surprises me,,,if it is getting out there that it is worth it!----just thinking about posting---about the wonderful popes that we have had ---they were some of the meanest outlaws ever-

Bethy----hello I will try to keep it down a little---it will take longer ,,,but---lots to talk about...thanks

Then why, anon -- with a new and hopeful administration, are you still pushing this troops in the street theme?

And I am fascinated with this tag: "Patsi's President Bush."

After eight years of being called an anti-American for criticizing Bush, he is now laid at my door by you, anon....how Republican of you. It's YOUR nature.

It's on the same level as racist old hag....but you knew that.

What a pro ... Joan Walsh administers a nice smackdown to Christopher Hitchens on Hardball.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/246383.php
---------------
Joan tells the world she's had drinks with Hitchens. You go Joan.

I saw that smackdown, CBob -- she was spectacular. Hitchens is soooo smarmy.

hello

Hi Sea

Sorry folks, haven't been able to sign in, was just testing.

Tony

What he is not taking into account is how many Dems are now Indies--they were brought to the Dems for just one throw the bums out----they now have their eyes wide open, and will not be on the far right , or the far left----same goes for the R's IMO-

Hey Tony, how are you? So sorry about the dog.

Solar
That's right."Eye's wide open" that about describes me!! Thank you..

Night all-----you too fab, Muela :-)))

Me too!

OSH---no----thats Patsi-

Sea
Ok,Thanks for your kind words! I miss the old boy! Jesse ,the other Schnauzer sure misses him too! I come in from work and he sure is happy to see me...Hope your good!!

C-Bob---one more try

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/obama-boosts-bush-legacy.html#comment-178396

China said Monday that a total of 294,000 children had fallen ill from consuming dairy products tainted with the industrial chemical melamine, with 154 of them still in serious condition.

http://www.seeddaily.com/reports/China_says_294000_children_fell_ill_from_tainted_milk_999.html

Solar -

Glad to help, I always liked "Stump the Band".
Paul Butterfield was always up on the shelf, never got the attention they deserved . That was a killer band for a year or two.
Micheal Bloomfield played on "Like a Rolling Stone". He was my all time favorite axe man.

Micheal Bloomfield with Al Kooper
doing the best licks either one ever hit -

"Stop" Al Kooper & Mike Bloomfield (Super Session)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMf-86Evro

Al Kooper produced this album . It had the cleanest production values.

Jr. Wells on harp,
MUDDY WATERS, MICHAEL BLOOMFIELD - LONG DISTANCE CALL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtS1oxELjqo

Al Kooper with Blood Sweat & Tears - I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2LSKL9Yjs

_________________

Al could produce rings around people.

Fleetwood Mac - Coming your way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCiayxPJAM

--------------
Before they fell apart, and became rich and famous.

Fleetwood Mac - Black Magic Woman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pT3OaV0g64

Of course Bush will claim credit. But that doesn't jive with the big, ugly Conservative talking heads who are calling it "Obama's Recession" already.

I've got to listen to Rush, the clown. He's hated Hillary for years. His hair's probably on fire now!

*hee-hee*

tt

C-Bob, you've probably taken over Dex's night shift job.

tt

Fleetwood Mac - Albatross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZHT2XvoLM

Just listening to some tunes.
Moving into the Moody Blues.

Speaking of axemen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAya5FLw78&feature=related

Moody Blues - Question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBsdHoTdOmc

and of course, there's Albert & Stevie Ray...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaCPMN5VLk8&feature=related

The Moody Blues- Tuesday Afternoon- (Long Extended Version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMuAnFH_lM

Arthur Lee - Bummer In The Summer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVj1X5Qjew

and again, speaking of guitar players...one of the kindest, sweetest picker I ever knew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibbXYEBryrs&feature=related

Everybody Have Fun Tonight - Wang Chung (HQ Audio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2B16RNTxo

------------
The ship of fools sailing on .......

Madonna - Ray Of Light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc_lfUjxHcs