Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Oh Gawd, another tedious PUMA belch. Is this what keeps you going?

a festive festivus to one and all!

got your pole up?
your list of grievances compiled?
your traditional meatloaf baked?
get with it guys.
oh yes, and have a happy another day of chanukah.

whataya bet this will get a lot of msm attention today.
pope genders discussion/dissention
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7796663.stm

Well aren't we all just thrilled to death with our NEW and IMPROVED Democratic Party, its transparency re: Chicago politics for instance. And Madam Kennedy- Schlossberg, well, why not? and if not now, when?, because it will happen whether we want it to or not. Dissenters have to be careful, Carnavon(Missouri) small plane crash, Paul Wellstone(Minnesota) small plane crash, JFK Jr. announced he was looking at a run for the Jr. Senate seat (New York) small plane crash. But back in the spirit of things, I just wanted to drop in and wish ALL the Bloggers a coming season and year ahead as wonderful, as it is NEW, for you and all your loved ones........... and I heard him exclaim as he drove out of sight, Merry Christmas to All and to All a Good Night.

Rita

today's eco story for cbob
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2008/dec/22/waste-ethicalliving

Merry Christmas to you both, Patd and Rita...

Big pirate article in Salon, patd...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/03/pirates/

el gordo spreads christmas joy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/23/spain-el-gordo-world-news
and
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/22/world/main4681879.shtml

thanks, patsi

looks like interesting insight into both the pirates and blackwater activities.

hard time getting to the story tho, had to wade thru several salon ad pages. what's up with them?

The Fat One -- I love it, patd....a Christmas miracle!!!!

shoe thrower tortured into writing letter of apology.

--msnbc

"Better to Have it" latest album by Bobby Purify (ben moore)
Today, at age 63, Purify is at the top of his game - even if it's in the late innings. "Better to Have It," his first album in more than a decade, was released on July 19 by Proper American Recordings and greeted immediately with rave reviews and calls for Grammy Award recognition.

Produced by Dan Penn and featuring the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, keyboardist Carson Whitsett of Malaco fame and the Memphis Horns session players, "Better to Have It" is the most authentic soul album since the 2002 comeback of another R&B master, Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Solomon Burke.

"Dan said 'It's time for you to do an album rather than playing these little clubs. You need to get out there to where you can do concerts, you know, three or four a year, so you don't have to work yourself to death,' " Purify said.

(There's old Dan Penn again......)

"hard time getting to the story tho, had to wade thru several salon ad pages. what's up with them?"

I know that sites do that so they can count "hits" for advertisers.....but I also hate it....

sturge, this brings new meaning to the phrase "am dying to hear you play"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903041.html?hpid=sec-health

Thought for the day -
Eccentricity is not, as dull people would have us believe, a form of madness. It is often a kind of innocent pride, and the man of genius and the aristocrat are frequently regarded as eccentrics because genius and aristocrat are entirely unafraid of and uninfluenced by the opinions and vagaries of the crowd.

Edith Sitwell

1911 James Gregory Bronx NY, actor (My Favorite Martian, Barney Miller)
1936 Frederic Forrest Waxahachie TX, actor (Music Box, Lonesone Dove)
1941 Tim Hardin Oregon, singer (If I Were a Carpenter, Bird on a Wire)
1943 Harry Shearer Los Angeles CA, comedian/actor (Saturday Night Live, Simpsons, Pure Luck)
1965 Eddie Vedder heavy metal singer (Pearl Jam-Justine)
1965 Slash rocker (Guns N' Roses)

1751 France sets plan to tax clergymen
1862 Union General Ben "Beast" Butler is proclaimed a "felon, outlaw & common enemy of mankind" by Jefferson Davis
1888 Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh cuts off his left ear
1919 Alice H Parker patents gas heating furnace
1947 Transistor invented by Bardeen, Brattain & Shockley in Bell Labs
1951 Last Belgian communities get electricity
1968 Borman, Lovell & Anders become 1st men to orbit Moon
1972 16 plane crash survivors rescued after 70 days, survived by cannibalism

Broadway flop of the day -
1974 "Good News" opens at St James Theater NYC for 16 performances

It's Inspector Lugar, and Blue Duck's birthday, two of my favorites.

O.K. let's see everybody's " Feats of strength ".

I really like that quote CB. I now see that it's okay to wear socks in cold weather despite what the boat-crowd might think.

Let the Lists begin !

The top ten media blunders of 2008

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16789.html

patd....I first heard of that about 15 yrs ago....a lady started doing it at a hospital in Missoula Montana....St Patrick's I believe......

Flatus -

Damn funny sir, damn funny.

http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=21344

St Patrick's

mawnin'.

Merry Christmas Eve Eve, happy whatever day of Chanukah it is, and happy whatever other day any of you out there celerate.

Bob, you left this one off your list for today :
1951 Pogo Birmingham, AL, blogger/lawyer to be

Sturg, good ol' Bobby couldn't miss with the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section and the Memphis Horns. Hell with that backup even I could sound good (well, better anyways).

River Road in Bethesda, Md is now a road river.......

pogo......they are the cats who CAN without a doubt

Flato.......those boating crowd boats are now mostly "FOR SALE---CHEAP"

"let's see everybody's " Feats of strength ".

ok, cbob, you asked for it.

http://juanmoncada.com/blog/images/hobbit_feet.jpg

Sturg, does that include the classic Morgans?

"and happy whatever other day any of you out there celerate."

pogo, and does that include you too? here's to "celerate"ing pogo's birthday! happy, happy day!

yep, sturg, and they have for something over 30 years that I know of. (And of course they had a little help from their friends from time to time, like Duane Allman, just as a f'rinstance).

Merle Haggard imitates Marty Robbins in front of Marty Robbins......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1EJ0KxKvW0

Pogo's birthday?? Congrats, Pogo! And, to you sir, many happy returns!!

"hits" for advertisers.....but I also hate it...."

patsi, i hate most of all those moving ads that get right in your line of vision. wapo at times seems to be like a bad case of macular degeneration.... and that includes those pesky ads too.

flato....ha

pogo....more like since very early sixties......Booker T. and the MG's, the Bar-Kays, etc.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-Z_l907DY

Hurray for Pogo -
Making it to 57 , now that's a feat of strength.

I have goodwill shoes......for that you must have Feets of strength.......

Another top ten list -

TOP TEN ARCHAEOLOGY FINDS: Most Read of 2008

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081219-top-ten-archaeology.html

thanks pat. yep, that pogo would include this pogo. The other Pogo predates me by 10 years - first seen in December, 1941. I can't locate an exact date, so I'll consider his BD to be the 23rd as well. HBTU.

Happy Birthday Pogo! ....
(I bet, as a kid, you were happy it was before Christmas, instead of afterward) :)

and Welcome back Rita!

Thanks Bob, Mrs. P also says I have strong feet. I wish I could attribute making it this far to clean living, but hey, it wouldn't have been as much fun.

thanks chloe - I never thought about it, but I bet if I had, you would be right about that. I dos have a cousin born on the 28th and she seems happy enough . :-)

sturg, I'm betting that on my better days I could wither those Goodwill shoes.

that's the "eccentricity" coming out..............I refuse to buy new clothes......even got my Tux there......Wiiiiiide lapels........lol

speaking of clothes......Cbob you still have leather vests? I might could spring for one of those........

my feet so tough i wear them shoes out from the inside......

sturg, our "eccentricity is showing. There's a chain of stores in PA, WV, OH called Gabriel Bros. that buys large lots of overruns, seconds, etc, that does a brisk business with folks of lesser means and "eccentrics" like me. F'rinstance I have this aversion to buying ties at more than $10 per, considering that I hate the damn things, although I have to wear them occasionally. Gabe's sells really nice silk ones for $5.99 (they're the best ones they carry) and some that aren't name brand for $2.99. But you have to look for the flaw (what Mrs. P calls the Gabe's kiss). Great deals on socks, undies and caps, to say nothing of shirts and pants. Their prices make WalMart (where like you, I never go . . . unless I need stuff) look like an upscale dept. store.

Ever do gigs that call for a tux? I bet those WIDE lapels look great on stage.

GWB's Christmas gift for the country - recession.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/business/24econ.html?_r=1&hp

When it comes to the economy - Dumya went to the Nero School of Economics, then tries to change approaches and become an economic fireman.

Caffeine Works Better for Men

Caffeine affects men more strongly than women, and while decaf coffee perks up both of the sexes, it affects women more, according to a news report.

http://www.livescience.com/health/081223-coffee-sex.html

" Kennedy has no elective experience, as Clinton did not,"

And yet we want to elect them into office-----part of the problem is that most voters want to be like them,,,dress like them, talk like them,,,so the closes that they come to them is to vote for them----I voted for a JFK'S daughter for Senator,,,Third party people dress the way they feel like dressing---not like they are told to!

I would rather vote for the guy that dresses like the birthday boy today---Feliz anieo nuevo Pogo ------

Rita---welcome back----Happy Holidays

Sorry Sturg , that's all gone.

closes=closest

Gracias, Solar. Sorry, I ain't running.

Pogo---been signing so many Christmas cards ,,,that I wished you a happy new year instead of Feliz Cumple Anos=Happy Birthday

Dead People in 1700s Were the First Celebrities

Obituaries were one of the most-read sections of newspapers and magazines of the 1700s. They were intended to provide an account of the life of someone who had recently died as a way of illustrating how the life you led would be rewarded or punished in death.

However, the rise in popularity of obituaries actually came because the deceased were regarded as objects of scandal and public fascination — in other words, Great Britain’s first celebrities.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/081106-death-fame.html

pogo....since you'd have to pay me to wear one, that's the only reason I'd have one......lol

re cks, is it lack of experience or isn't it lack of willingness to run for an elective office? if the latter, maybe that's why there's not too much grumbling about al franken. if the former, a whiff of sexism wafts in the windblog.

Craig, sorry, but I can't get excited enough about Caroline or any other would be senators who don't have elective office experience to comment much - other than to say that prior elective office experience don't mean a lot beyond having name recognition and a fund raising operation in place, the decision is David Patterson's to make, and I'm sure there are worse people he's considering - whether they have elective office experience or not.

Now, I feel I've done my bit to advance the topic. Whew, I'm exhausted. Time for some coffee - and it ain't gonna be no stinkin' decaf - (I think those UB researchers have been reading too much Andrew Weil and watching too many Folgers commercials.) And Starbucks isn't going to be happy when news gets out that there's 70% more caffeine in a cuppa brewed coffee Americano than in a cup of expresso. Could hurt their revenues.

Ancient Mass Graves of Soldiers, Babies Found in Italy

More than 10,000 graves containing ancient amphorae, "baby bottles," and the bodies of soldiers who fought the Carthaginians were found near the ancient Greek colony of Himera, in Italy, archaeologists announced recently.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081217-himera-mass-grave.html

Solar, my Spanish is so lousy (to say nothing of my ability to read for detail) I didn't notice. LOL

pat, Coleman is grumbling enough for every re: Franken. IMHO, the only difference between Franken and such stalwarts in the senate as McConnell is that Franken is identified on Wiki as a comedian. Oh, and he has a sense of humor.

Now, I'm not one who has fawned over Obama's use of symbolism (and with RW giving the invocation at the inaugural, that should be easy to understand) but this is very cool

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/obama-lincoln-bible-for-i_n_153052.html

And a fitting tribute to old Abe, I might add.

I know that this is going to get me in hot water again,,,,but there are a lot of people that voted for Obama,,just to say that they voted for the first black man the was POTUS(braging rights sort ---now there are women that will dress like M O--if it was Clinton---her designer would have been copied and the big winner),,and I'm not saying on this blog---too knowledgeable--- politically for that here,,,,but I have heard some say that already,,,I would like to hear I voted for the first third party candidate that one-----now there is t he true middle of the road that we all should want.

World population at 6.75 billion at start of year

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/247560,world-population-at-675-billion-at-start-of-year.html

"I have goodwill shoes......for that you must have Feets of strength...."

Sturg, that's really corny.

Hmm, this looks like a nice live aboard:
http://mysite.verizon.net/resx9x73/sailboat.sale.sipapu/id1.html

" now there is the true middle of the road that we all should want. "

Solar -
"The only thing in the middle of the road are yellow strips, and dead armadillos."

OK, Coleman isn't the only one grumbling about Franken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/gop-group-in-panic-over-p_n_152894.html

Now consider this - the "Republican National Lawyer Association accuses Franken and his "liberal allies" of "working feverishingly [sic] to steal the Minnesota Senate election." as Coleman goes to Ben Ginzberg (an expert in the subject matter of election theft) - Bush's '00 recount advisor - for advice on how to proceed. Now that's got to be close to the heighth of irony.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/gop-recount-guru-advises-coleman-2008-12-22.html

As Bob says, you really can't make this stuff up.

Sipapu, a Hopi word, is a small hole or indentation in the floor of kivas used by the Ancient Pueblo Peoples and modern-day Puebloans. It symbolizes the portal through which their ancient ancestors first emerged to enter the present world.

"I have goodwill shoes......for that you must have Feets of strength...."

"Sturg, that's really corny."

Yes it is Flatus----but it is Toeing the line-----Don't know if you meant to really say corny,,,as a corny statement ---or corny ---as in corns ...but could not avoid adding Toeing to it------and I see that Patd starts the fun going again,,,with her feet pic...\

C B----here in crook county Il ---I can do the yellow strips,,,,,the armadillos --no can do,,,,will a cple of political skunks be ok? :-)

flatus, as an old sailor, I can say with some conviction that a Morgan is a pleasant boat - their "out Island" line is probably their best known boats - I think I could manage if I had to. (And if that boat is in the condition it is advertised as, that's not a bad price).

"...prior elective office experience don't mean a lot beyond having name recognition and a fund raising operation in place,"

Pogo, the two things you cite, while valid, are of minor importance:

I consider the ability to reach consensus in a legislative environment, and the demonstrated courage to tell supporters that you can't vote for their positions, and the ability to articulate your positions in front of the camera, and the ability to call a reporter and get your opinion printed as all being of greater importance. They are relevant in virtually every elected position.

"...as a corny statement ---or corny ---as in corns ..."

"But, of course, Sturg," he said with a soulful hint to his voice.

"...courage to tell supporters that you can't vote for their positions, and the ability to articulate your positions in front of the camera, and the ability to call a reporter and get your opinion printed..."

wow, flatus, next thing you'll want is for people to listen, think and vote. are you crazy?

Hey that's not punny, that's not punny at all.

Franken - Coleman status as of this morning.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/al-franken-recount-lead-f_n_153050.html

Time columnist: Obama is a 'bigot'

"An openly homosexual Time magazine reporter calls Barack Obama a "bigot" and a "problem for gays" following the president-elect's invitation to Pastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his upcoming inauguration ceremony.

"Gays and lesbians are angry that Barack Obama has honored Warren, but they shouldn't be surprised," Cloud wrote in an article titled "The Problem for Gays with Rick Warren – and Obama," in Times's Dec. 18 edition. "Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84344

flatus, I agree - those are important skills, they sound something like integrity and courage to stand on one's own opinion s and viewpoints instead of those of the people who elected you. I guess there are a few politicians who have that deep conviction of holding the key to the repository of what is right and correct, and are willing to publicly reject the will of the voter, but IME it's a rare legislative body - aside from the U.S. Senate - where those skills are developed, and a rare electorate that is willing to elect someone who tells thenm their view of their needs is wrong. Now that working for consensus thing - man,, I'd like to see more of that. I ain't sayin' it don't happen, it just don't happen much. I'm trying to remember the last time a politician articulated their opposition to the positions advanced by their own supporters - OK, got one . . . at least I think I do.

(shhh, Gordo, don't tell anyone, but that's what they call a secondary source)

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/247560,world-population-at-675-billion-at-start-of-year.html

2.5 billion when I was born and And barring Mother Nature taking her much needed revenge, most of us will see 9 billion in our lifetime.

Learn to cuddle, it's getting way too crowded out there.

CUTE THINGS FALLING ASLEEP

http://www.cutethingsfallingasleep.org/

When someone uses the phrase "an openly HOMOSEXUAL ... reporter", that person is not a friend of the Gay community. S/he might as well said an "avowed homosexual"... anyone remember THOSE days? Sorry GORDO, but I don't want my community to be used as an example of how little Obama cares about us... especially when the critic him/herself is clearly bigoted.

The much touted Bush economic gains over the past 8 years (well, much touted by Bush anyway) are being rapidly erased.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/business/economy/24housing.html?hp

Happy Birthday Pogo!

It is cold here in Cal...what happened to global warming? :))))

L.A. Times Deletes the Lead about Schwarzenegger & Presidency, After Drudge, Free Republic, I.O. Feature it; Could it be... Obama?

"And then, later in the evening -- poof! The lead disappeared! All references to Schwarzenegger not being a natural born citizen, thus not eligible for the U.S. Presidency were deleted. Funny how such a thing can happen, eh?

Was it because of the implications this has, at such a sensitive time -- what with cases before the Supreme Court clearly showing Obama to be a fictitious candidate, not a natural born Citizen at all?"

http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2008/12/dear-la-times-looks-like-schwarzenegger.html

Gordo

So many questions. So few people who give a damn.

"Gays and lesbians are angry that Barack Obama has honored Warren, but they shouldn't be surprised. Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot. He is far too careful and measured a man to say anything about body parts fitting together or marriage being reserved for the nonpedophilic, but all the same, he opposes equality for gay people when it comes to the basic recognition of their relationships. He did throughout his campaign, one that featured appearances by Donnie McClurkin, a Christian entertainer who preaches that homosexuals can become heterosexuals.

Many gays I know gave money to Obama, which mystified me. The favored explanation was that he doesn't "really" believe gays shouldn't be allowed to marry; he just has to say that in order to win. People seemed to feel that once he had won, he would find a way — in his contemplative style — to help convince Americans that gay people really do deserve basic equality. Instead, he has found a way to insult gay people deeply."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1867664,00.html

Tom, if you want fair treatment for the gay community, you ain't gonna find it in anything Gordo posts from WND. Oh, and the line you might be alluding to (aside from the Red Scare hearings of the House Unamerican Activities Committee back when gays and commies were lumped together by our McCarthy and our scared shitless HoR members) was one attributed to George Smathers when he was running against Claude Pepper. Here's WIKI's account:

"In 1950 George Smathers, formerly a supporter, broke with Pepper and ran against him in the Democratic primary for Senate. The contest was extremely heated, and revolved around policy issues, especially charges that Pepper represented the far left and was too supportive of Stalin. Pepper's opponents circulated widely a 49-page booklet titled The Red Record of Senator Claude Pepper.[6]

"Part of American political lore is the Smathers "redneck speech," which Smathers reportedly delivered to a poorly educated audience. The "speech" was never given; it was a hoax dreamed up by one reporter. Smathers did not say, as was reported in Time Magazine during the campaign: "Are you aware that Claude Pepper is known all over Washington as a shameless extrovert? Not only that, but this man is reliably reported to practice nepotism with his sister-in-law, and he has a sister who was once a thespian in wicked New York. Worst of all, it is an established fact that Mr. Pepper, before his marriage, habitually practiced celibacy."

"The Smathers campaign denied his having made the speech, as did the reporters who covered his campaign, but the hoax followed Smathers to his death."

I had the privilege of meeting Mr. Pepper and chauffering him and his wife around Tuscaloosa, AL for half a day back in the late 80s, and he spoke of that speech while we were chatting about his political life. He was certain that the speech had been made - but his recollection of it was one of great humor.

KC, thanks. Global warming has forgotten us, too here in th' backwoods (9 degrees F this morning), but I hear it's due for a return engagement over the next couple of days - when it's supposed to be warm enough for all the happy kiddies to ride the new bikes the Fat Guy brings them tomorrow night.

lunch

Global warming is extreme weather conditions. At least that's what somebody told me. The Obamas are spending the Christmas holiday in Hawaii. Looking for that birth certificate, I'll bet. Kidding. I'm just bummed that I'm looking at about 2ft of snow right now. Happy Birthday, Pogo!

Secret Santas hand out $11,000 in Downriver Area:

http://www.freep.com/article/20081223/NEWS01/812230369

You don't realize that was a set up. I knew you would pounce on WorldNetDaily as a source.

From the TIME link:

John Cloud: "Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot."

Over 2T tons of ice melted in arctic since '03

Dec 16, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 2 trillion tons of land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska have melted since 2003, according to new NASA satellite data that show the latest signs of what scientists say is global warming.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5io8-mhR216BbP-65r8IrK1C6y8ZQD953PNG00

Tom -- I don't know about the piece Gordo is referencing inTime....but Richard Cohen in the Washington Post wrote a pretty tough piece that pretty much echoes my gay friends' feelings right now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122201848.html

(In the same issue EJ Dionne has written about the Warren pick from another standpoint.)

" The "speech" was never given; it was a hoax dreamed up by one reporter. Smathers did not say, as was reported in Time Magazine during the campaign: "Are you aware that Claude Pepper is known all over Washington as a shameless extrovert? Not only that, but this man is reliably reported to practice nepotism with his sister-in-law, and he has a sister who was once a thespian in wicked New York. Worst of all, it is an established fact that Mr. Pepper, before his marriage, habitually practiced celibacy."

And the public is still just as stupid....even after two LA indie filmmakers admitted they made the Sarah Palin "Africa is a country..." bit and convinced MSNBC it was real, people still drag that one out....

Who's the dumbest? The media? Or the people?

NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record

December 16, 2008

The year 2008 is on track to be one of the 10 warmest years on record for the globe, based on the combined average of worldwide land and ocean surface temperatures, according to a preliminary analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. For November alone, the month is fourth warmest all-time globally, for the combined land and ocean surface temperature. The early assessment is based on records dating back to 1880.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081216_climatestats.html

Patsi

There have been a number of studies done which demonstrate how hard it is to change someone's mind once they have decided something is true...even when it is not!

Merry Christmas...and, as pogo said, holiday felicitations of whatever stripe you desire (or something to that effect)...to all!

And to pogo...a very happy birthday!!!

C-Bob---Discovery Project Earth Series

Starting at 6 am wed. on the science channel,,,there is a series that runs until 2.pm ---and repeats again...

here is a cple that might interest you

6 a..m.--Examining a new type of Wind Turbine that operates at higher altitudes

Next hour---A look at Wave-Powered pumps that might be able to increase Phytoplankton production and decrease Carbon Dioxide

8 a.m.---Fixing Carbon----Extracting carbon from the air via a machine or filtering system and storing it under ground.

All the way until the final episode------Solar Cells In Space---1 p.m.

capable of creating five times more electricity than conventional solar panels.

I will post them as I tape them. Some times t here are many interesting programs on at the same time that I want to tape,,but only have one recorder now--loaned one out and never got it back.

" Canada ..... they're like a nice family living over a biker bar."

Robin Williams on Leno last night

"There have been a number of studies done which demonstrate how hard it is to change someone's mind once they have decided something is true"

KGC -- It's amazing to me that people will keep repeating things long after they've been discredited. But as the studies you reference no doubt show, the truth means little, only perception.

It's amazing how the left throws the "bigot" word around so easy when it comes to conservatives. Where was that outrage when the holy Rev. Wright began his anit-American tirade a while ago? A lot of the libs agreed with him --- even Obama for 20 years.

Pattobay,

How unfair, you should know the standard by now; for conservatives it is "bigoted", for liberals it is "progressive".

"There have been a number of studies done which demonstrate how hard it is to change someone's mind once they have decided something is true"

No doubt, this blog is a perfect example of that phenomena.

Well it looks like that it finally stopped snowing-----with the wind drifts it looks like about 2 ft that I have to shovel-----when I'm finished--I'm gonna need a lot of sympathy -----I know that I won't get it here,and no one will be around here for a long time,,,,so Im gonna sneak into the

Christmas Room where all the presents are and see what I can see,,,,,maybe sneak some Christmas cookies,with some hot chocolate,,,,lots of stuff to get into and play,,,,while the cat is away.

Remember this - 1984
4.8 billion people on earth then. About 7 billion now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9COTWcJcKIk

Jamie,

So we know there are too many people on earth, what are we going to do about it?

1) mandatory birth control?
2) promote suicide?
3) euthanasia?
4) genocide?
5) limit access to medical care?

Look at where the population growth is exploding. Who is responsible for telling these people not to have babies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_density_map.PNG

Hello all,

I hope this finds you doing well. I wanted to take a moment to wish you a safe and Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah. I've recently had my attention redirected by life. Recent circumstance will force me to make this a permanent absence.

I've enjoyed the comfort, camaraderie and rigorous debate this community has afforded us.

It is my strongest hope that you will all be afforded the blessings of good health and prosperity in the years to come.

Craig, your MSNBC appearence were the reason I started to visit your blog and you've done well to steer the bus and to keep it in the road. On those rare instances that threatened to takes us down a steep cliff, you yanked us back to the safety of the middle of the road.

Until we meet again, may peace be with you while I seek it for myself.

Sarah Palin: Conservative of the Year
by Ann Coulter

"Sarah Palin wins HUMAN EVENTS’ prestigious “Conservative of the Year” Award for 2008 for her genius at annoying all the right people. The last woman to get liberals this hot under the collar would have been … let's see now … oh, yeah: Me!"

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29995

Yes, Gordo, a diabolical plan to lure the unsuspecting - cleverly designed to prove nothing. Brilliant.

Solar - that solar cells in space thing is a great idea - it's just so damn hard to get the high tension wires up to them. :-)

hw, corey, thanks for the good wishes. So far it's been great - carnitas for lunch - what could be better?

And corey, that was CB who explained - to Frydaddy if my memory is right - that Global Warming is an unfortunate early name for Global Climate Change, which results in extreme weather patterns affecting temperature and moisture patterns. Global Warming has become a RW anti responsibility rallying cry - hollered almost constantly by the RW ignorance standard bearer - Rush Limpballs ( when he's not denigrating feminists (Feminazis) and demonizing liberals in general.

Bear,

I hope you find what you seek and know that I wish you all the best.

We will be worse for your absence.

Best wishes,

Bowmanc

Canada ..... they're like a nice family living over a biker bar."

ROFL, C-Bob....that's fabulous!

"a diabolical plan to lure the unsuspecting "

It worked.
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"Brilliant"

Thanks

"-----I know that I won't get it here,and no one will be around here for a long time,,,,"

I'll offer a week's worth of advance sympathy right this minute!

Bear -- this is terrible news! I hope you know you will be sorely missed.

Bear, best of luck. Travel hopefully.

No doubt in my mind that Rich Warren is a bigot. Hell, he might even be a modern day Elmer Gantry.

I am very mistrustful of mega anything, be it a church or a cheeseburger.

I do not like anyone forcing their morals on others and in doing so infringing on the rights as put forth in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184565

Bowman,

The easiest and fastest way to stop overpopulation is health care and education for women. If you are not in a subsistance model and don't need a large family in hopes that some of them will survive and contribute to the family care, then the numbers start to drop. This takes a while but it is the only thing that works over the long term.

There are too many cultures where a man's pride is tied to virility, so education and birth control might start to help there. It used to drive my daughter crazy when she worked for WIC that some young woman in her 20s would come in with five children and saying she had to hide the birth control pills from her husband.

As cruel as it sounds don't provide food relief without a program that matches it to food source development. Money and food just ends up on the black market and in the pockets of despots. If a population exceeds the carrying capacity of where they live it doesn't make sense to give them survival food without giving them a way to make their own or moving them to an area where they can survive without assistance.

In our society, stop keeping people alive just to make the relatives feel good. Too many people think they are doing the elderly a favor. If a procedure will not guarantee more years of life in reasonable comfort, let them go home or to a hospice for a natural conclusion to their lives.

Convince the pope that the rhythm system doesn't work.

Gordo, you left out the "cleverly designed to prove nothing" part - which was of course the main idea.

And you've got to learn to recognize sarcasm. :-)

Bowman, well said.

btw, How much of the white stuff is on the ground up there, and how many in NH are still without power? REALLY bad weather to be without it.

Bear...hopefully permanent won't be as long as we think. Good luck, and hope to see you back here again someday. You're always a great spirit here.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184564

Jamie...no wonder it's so hard to get season tickets to the Redskins.

Ah Mr. Pogo... Happy Birthday !!!!!! Did it suck growing up with your birthday so close to Christmas? Most friends I know in that situation got a combined gift in honor of their birthday and Christmas...

What a rip-off ;-)

Pogo,

Happy birthday. There are still a few people in NH and Mass that are without power. One of the worst hit areas was the Leominster, Lunenburg & Fitchburg area. There were many people I work with that had no power 10 days out, including my boss. They actually had to provide police protection for some of the power crews, because homeowners were so angry. Talk about misplaced anger, I would be happy as hell to see a crew show up to restore my power.

There is about 2 feet of snow in my yard, so we are having a White Christmas here in Nashua. For the record it was 4 degrees below zero this morning.

My Mom lives in Northern Minnesota and I am going to try and call her now to see how things are... but we got some bad news. My 27 year old niece apparently has problems with the lymph nodes which was discovered during a Cat-scan to figure out why she was having a difficult time passing kidney stones. My Mom started crying on the phone when I talked to her and I REALLY do not handle that sort of stuff well....

Bear,

Sorry to see you go. You were a great member of the tribe. Hope you can return at some time in the future. In the meantime, be well and travel safely.

"... you left out the "cleverly designed to prove nothing" part ..."

That was intentional. You took the bait again.
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"(shhh, Gordo, don't tell anyone, but that's what they call a secondary source)

Posted by: Pogo | December 23, 2008 11:35 AM"
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Your post proved that you were quick to criticize WND without checking the link to TIME that the article provided.

Bear, I'll miss the passion of your discussions. Please, make it back.

GORDO,

For those of us who have just been lancing in and out since the election, would you be a prince and give us a Readers Digest version of your current agenda?

You know, quick one-graf intro -- followed by four or five bullet points encapsulating the primary areas where your energy is being directed these days. No links necessary, though.

It would really help some of us who have missed a few episodes lately.

Lard,

What do you want the Cliff Notes version for?

That was OK for college but I thought we had higher standards here at the Trailmix Corral.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184584

Lardo,

That isn't as silly as it sounds. They just demolished the smallest football stadium in the country a day or so ago because it couldn't hold enough people.

Bet they will be sorry now with the economic downturm. It will be a miracle if they can put bodies in half the seats of the modern stadia.

Another idea that won't fly - No child deduction after the first child unless they are foster or adopted. Fits right in with tax what you don't want. Don't tax what you want.

Forget about Caroline and Hillary. Patterson really needs to throw a change up, appoint Bill Clinton.

Bear -------------

I hope your situation is not as bad as it seems. We've had some "interesting" exchanges in the past -- looking forward to more.

Bowman, Sounds like typical NH weather - for
February. We've got the cold without the snow - kids hate it, I'll take it.

Tom, never was a problem. The 'rents made sure that b'day and x-mas were separate and distinct. At least I know what they were doing in late March '51.

Gordo, I don't have to look at today's latest WND to criticize it. I've looked at plenty of the articles you've linked there, and like the cat that doesn't change its spots ... and I'm not quick to criticize it - by now my criticism is instant - but it would be greeted as something other than criticism, I reckon. But to be clear, Time didn't refer to the author of the Time piece as an "openly homosexual author" - that was the author of the WND who made that reference. That was what ET was complaining about, and what my criticism referred to. Keep up. And the secondary source criticism was not of WND. :-)

well, gotta go now.

When you've lost the argument -- "talk" a lot in an effort to hide the loss. That's a commonly used trick.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184599

Gordo speaking from experience. He's never been confused by facts or reality.

For example, GORDO, you could just say something like:

"Now that SoeterObama has been elected, my current agenda is to discredit his illegitimate administration in any way possible. That would include:

--Gathering and disseminating any further evidence that SoeterObama's Mom really named him SoeterObama. Like, you know, "Come inside, SoeterObama...your dinner's getting cold!" or "SoeterObama, if you don't do your homework right this minute I'm going to whip your little mixed-race hiney." Like that.

--Continuing my quest for the Michelle "Whitey Tape" that we all know is out there, even if it was only recorded in the bleachers while she was swearing at the opposing manager during a 1980s era Cubs-Cardinals game. We'll take what we can get.

--Searching for the one and true Certificate Of Live Birth, hold the mayo.

--Extending my search for Rev. Jeremiah Wright's gallstone, which mysteriously disappeared from the medical waste facility shortly after it was removed in a secret operation at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas." (While, not so coincidentally, Rick Warren was a patient in the next operating room getting a sex change)."

You know, like that. It would help us all keep track.

Now, for something completely different, a bit of breaking news from Central Florida today:

"Angry Wife Jailed After Biting Husband's You Know What.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-woman-bites-husband-in-penis-122308,0,1547730.story

Teach him to get it anywhere near teeth.

Stanley Ann Soetoro’s Divorce Papers

http://decalogosintl.org/documents/Soetoro_Divorce.pdf

Really really cute - Dysfunctional Christmas Carols

http://morgenfiles.blogspot.com/2008/12/mos-annual-dysfunctional-christmas.html

JIB JAB Year In Review

http://sendables.jibjab.com/sendables/202809/2008_year_in_review#

Just a brief pop in while LP is at basketball practice.

Gee, Gordo, I wasn't even aware we were engaged in an argument - since you didn't bother to argue anything point or refute anything I stated. Until you start dealing in facts instead of nothing but opinion, you can't claim to have won any argument.

Are you a plaintiff's attorney specializing in rear end collisions, dog bite cases and slips and falls? You sound like one.

As to the Ann Soetoro divorce complaint, occasionally you post some interesting tidbits, but they don't necessarily support yor conspiracy theories. For the Indonesian citizen angle I'd suggest you produce something showing that Soetoro adopted young Barack. That would be called direct evidence that you might have a ground upon whiich to base some loss of citizenship argument. Otherwise, just keep whistling. I'd also note that that is a form complaint, likely based upon the children in the household over which a court might have custody & visitation and support powers over the defendant as a result (whether the children were issue of the parties, adopted by the parties, or simply were members of the parties' household). It provides a fact from which an inference that Obama was considered the son of Soetoro, or at least his financial dependent, but absent evidence of adoption by Soetoro, is interesting but not dispositive. Of course, the Court did enter an Order granting the divorce that made findings of fact re: the child of Barack and Lolo - being only Maya. That might mean something re: the Obama argument, but it doesn't appear to help your argument re: the Indonesian angle. Of course by keeping two balls in the air, it makes it difficult to rationally argue either, now doesn't it?

LL, file that one in the "Be careful what you wish for - you might get it" file.

interesting but not dispositive

Pogo is that what they teach in law school? I like the sound of that.

interesting but not dispositive

I am going to my neighbors for some Christmas Cheer later tonight, I am hoping to work that into the conversation with Wally.

Nah, that's something you learn messing about in the law. I believe the first time I heard that phrase, or something like it, it was from a judge denying a motion I was arguing to try and get a case dismissed - back when I was a pup and thought that sort of thing was possible in WV. I always kinda liked that phrase.

Sounds like with have a cast for a Boston Legal spinoff series.

Bowman, it's kind of a more polite way of saying the old Firesign Theatre's (I think - then again, it could have been Charlie Chan) "pretty words, but what do they mean?" phrase.

jamie good idea. Which character - Spader's or Bergens - says it? Denny could use the "pretty words..." phrase.

Well, I should go - LP will be done soon.

If for some reason I forget to come in tomorrow, everyone have a merry Christmas, happy Hannukah, happy holiday, or what have you.

OK & WA

Well Pogo,

I find your last comment interesting but not dispositive. And that is all I have to say about that.

Merry Whatever to all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184557

Solar
You need to get a DVR,it can record two programs at once. Oh Man,all that snow to shovel,good workout though,you will be ready for some of that good food come Christmas......

Solar,

I hope you have an AED handy, we don't want you checking out while shoveling your driveway.

Reminds me of Ray Beardsley in Afton, NY. He bought a snowblower so he wouldn't have a heart attack shoveling snow.

They found him slumped over his snowblower, dead. He had a heart attack trying to start it. Sad story. That was back in the 1960's.

I also remember he had an electronic gizmo to help him talk, he had his voice box removed for some reason, probably smoking, and this allowed him to talk. Scared the hell out of a seven year old me, when he used it.

1. On the principle that giving a meal to a hungry man does not impoverish the woman next door, the Rick Warren appointment cannot be seen as harming anyone of the GLBT community.

Once again, the people who brought you the 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Katrina disasters, and who now present you their specially prepared REPUBLICAN DEPRESSION, hope to profit by dividing us.

2. I congratulate GORDO on finding the 1843 citizenship of President Arthur's dad. I didn't find his and President Wilson's mom's citizenship. And from his silence on the matter, we are assured hat GORDO hasn't either. Yet, no one other than GORDO believes that Arthur and Wilson were not presidents.

3. British law extends only as far as British jurisdiction, so it matters not whether Obama, Arthur, or Wilson were ever considered British by the British.

4. The argument that having had dual citizenhip creates mixed loyalties, and must therefore disbar a person from the presidency does not succeed. If it did, then enemy nations could disrupt our government by declaring that our sitting president is also a citizen of theirs. Besides, such a harsh disfigurement of our tradtional interpretation of 'natural born citizen' would bar the children and grandchildren of Irish people, and all Jews, from the Oval Office.

5. Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Oahu County, Hawaii. So says the ruling authorities on the matter, and there has never, ever, been the scrap of a shred of a piece of a scintilla of evidence that he might have been born elsewhere.

6. Show us the alleged birth certificate that shows Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia. If you haven't found it by now, it is because it never existed.

John Lennon - So This Is Christmas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XNQdxlRm9c

The Beach Boys - Little Saint Nick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSynDh_K0EE

Bear -
There goes the collective I.Q. ................
" You are a steely eyed missile man "

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184618

Right Gordo. Those are two of the 48 state abbreviations. Have you learned the other yet?

Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree
http://www.last.fm/music/Brenda+Lee/_/Rockin%27+Around+the+Christmas+Tree

Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock
http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Helms/_/Jingle+Bell+Rock

Note to the reader :

Bear wrote some of the smartest, and most tempered stuff on this site. I never used my scroll button on Bear's thoughts.

Here's " Yer Atta Boy " Bear.

Sheesh ... Two of 50 with 48 to go.

" Madoff committed suicide "

We'll need more information .

As Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, prepares to leave office she can contemplate the riches that might have been. Last year she was given more than $300,000 (£200,000) in jewels from the kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia alone.

The disclosure of the wealth that rained down on Rice when she went on Middle Eastern tours was made in a list of official gifts to Bush administration figures from foreign leaders.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/24/usa-saudi-arabia
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That's our "Super Tanker" Sec. of State ......

wasnt madoff, was it?

NEW YORK – The founder of an investment fund that lost $1.4 billion with Bernard Madoff was discovered dead Tuesday after committing suicide at his Manhattan office, marking a grim turn in a scandal that has left investors around the world in financial ruin.

Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, 65, was found sitting at his desk at about 8 a.m. with both wrists slashed, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said. A box cutter was found on the floor along with a bottle of sleeping pills on his desk. No suicide note was found.

I saw something on Lou Dobbs was week that really stuck in my craw. It was a case study. And for some reason I drifted over to KOS today, and one of their wizz bang science guys had a post up about the same thing, and I learned a little bit more.

I now have about 9 windows open concerning this subject.

Dutton Peabody may just fire up the press on this one.

"2008
The Obama Campaign has already admitted that Obama was subject to British Law at birth. This is not a conspiracy. This is not an allegation. This is a FACT. You can see it for yourself at FightTheSmears, Obama's website

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
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"1788
June 21 the United States Constitution was ratified and it spells out clearly the qualifications for the office of President in Article 2, Section 1, clause 5:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
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"1758
Also quoted is an excerpt from "The Laws of Nations" by Emmerich de Vattel, a book published in 1758, which Justice Scalia has used to define other terms in the Constitution:

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. ... that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."
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http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx

Sturg -
Don't go anywhere I found a link for you .

xrepublican;Sorry I missed your blog last night. But, I would very much like to clear up a few thngs for you. First off I am a Democrat. I never voted for GWB. I am 53 years old, and I have been voting democrat since I was old enough to vote. That is up until this year. So please it would be real nice if you would find out a little bit about someone, before you go calling them and accussing them of being someone and something they are not. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I caught this review tonight , some great new words -

"Snakeskin Violin " & " Afrissippi "

Rock With A West African Twist
All Things Considered, December 23, 2008 - When pop stars Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel and Ry Cooder collaborated with African musicians in the 1980s and '90s, they were stepping out of the familiar to embrace sounds once heard as foreign and exotic. Today, a new generation of American musicians is creating homegrown rock music with a West African twist.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98636158

bob..............very nize....it's delta-riffic........

I don't remember who posted a video with a dog playing outside in the snow,,but that is what just happened to me,(had so much fun like that dog),,,while I was out side shoveling the drive way---I was attacked ( sneakily I might add) some of the neighborhood teenagers started a snowball fight that lasted for 2 hours or more,,,,

we were making so much noise that some of others started to come out and investigate ---we managed to get 3 more house holds out for the fight-( repubs ---and dems)----helped everyone shovel out---4 cars unstuck-----and finally took a warm shower and then a bath---haven't taken a bath in years,,just showers,,,,that was the most fun in the snow since 20 years ago

Patsi---thanks going to keep that weeks sympathy anyway-OH tell mz Maria nice pooper---that is what I tell all the young ones around here---Have a wonderful Christmas

Tony---have Tivo but still have will get a dvr once back to work thanks---got that heart pumping pretty good---about 190--I like the range about 180-190---Have a special Christmas Tony

Bowmac----thanks----Tell you something funny I would rather go out like your friend than in my bed asleep-----I want to experiance it all even death------read a book once that someone was dying and was telling the reader how it felt-----no regrets etc.

Bear----I agree with all the others---do what you have to do----take the time to do it and get back here

Bowmac----thanks----Tell you something funny I would rather go out like your friend than in my bed asleep-----I want to experiance it all even death------

---solar

well......I dont mind dying.....it's just that you have to stay dead for so long..........

I listened to the markus james and the afrisippi, but the toubab wouldnt come up.....i'll try again later.....

by the way, I think "afrisippi" works much better than "missifrica"

Sturg----My 36 year old musician son---wants to know where I have been getting my music leads lately-----I won't tell him

That Dan Penn---Dark side of the street knocked him out,,,,he loved it-----he plays a few instruments ,,,and is pretty good I think----been telling him about you?

We pray for a long life and t he we are afraid to die!!
don't get me wrong I don't want to go any where as long as I can have quality of life,,,,but Behtyboo Bill and myself are getting frozen anyway ( our heads) so see you in Mars ---our next frontier

get him that Dan Penn CD......it'll knock him out........

"Do Right Man"

None of my biz,,but C-Bob,,,Sturg,,on satellite tv----the Link channel--they play a lot of African music----I absolutely love most of it----can't understand it,,but it is very good to listen to---on on saturdays

Dan: do right man loves memphis fried chicken.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg3t8XjrA2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrXszpu3r3Y&feature=related

"Do right Man"----got you---I'll make him copy it for me after we get it.----He is a stock broker----an unemployed one now----but a very good guitarist ---I went to go see him play,,,,very good-----I don't think that he had what it takes sometimes to get ahead,,,in that sort of life---staying power,,,and whatever else,,,when he get together with some of his friends here at my house---cars pull over just to listen to them----they get together just for kicks>

Gordo,

So what?

Posted by: GORDO | December 23, 2008 8:04 PM :
"2008 The Obama Campaign has already admitted that Obama was subject to British Law at birth. This is not a conspiracy. This is not an allegation. This is a FACT. You can see it for yourself at FightTheSmears, Obama's website

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
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Most of us deny that the British Nationality Act has any validity in the US, and we have done so since July 4th, 1776.

Rezdog,

So usurper!

is "usurper" the right word for a feller who wins an election?

lol

Obama's website:

"That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

Looks like Gran Torino has the making of another great Eastwood film full of violence. :-) It;'s on the to see Xmas list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teLeXZ3XMU

solar......."just for kicks" is probably the way to go......*

(How does a musician make his car more aerodynamic? He takes the "Domino's Pizza" sign off the roof . What do you call a guitar player who breaks up with his girl friend? Homeless. Etc etc etc......lol)

G Man,

Don't you think President Barack Hussein Obama II has a nice ring to it.?

I can't wait to see Chief Justice Roberts administer the Oath.

Definition of "optimist":
Trombone player with a beeper.

an accordian player and a trombone player finally got a new year's eve gig.......they played it, went over big and at the end of the night the club owner comes up and says "You guys were great.....we want you back next year." The bone man says, "Great, can we leave our equiptment?" (esoteric can we leave our equiptment joke.)

Sage:

usurper: "One who wrongfully or illegally seizes and holds the place of another."

Perfect Pitch
A musician's term for when someone throws the accordian so that it comes down right in the middle of the dumpster.........squarely on top of the banjo........

Posted by: GORDO | December 23, 2008 8:04 PM :
"1758 Also quoted is an excerpt from "The Laws of Nations" by Emmerich de Vattel, a book published in 1758, which Justice Scalia has used to define other terms in the Constitution:

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. ... that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."
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Unfortunately, the Swiss philosopher de Vattel, who died before American independence, who never set foot in America, who antique views are a curiosity, and from whose authority US law and courts neither evolved nor depend wrote in French, so few of us can judge the acccuracy of the translation. The actual title is, " Droit des gens; ou, Principes de la loi naturelle appliqués à la conduite et aux affaires des nations et des souverains ". I use quotation marks in lieu of the more usual underline. His comments on citizenship are also in French.

That antonin scalia quotes de Vattel is of no interest in the case of Barack Obama's obvious natural born citizenshipship. Besides which, scalia has declined to look at any of your group's suits, which should prove to you conclusively that, de Vattel's ruminations notwithstanding, scalia doesn't think any of you fellows have a case that merits attention.

uno mas:

guy goes down to the musicians union hall looking for a job......asks the man at the reception desk if they need piano players......the man looks in the book and says, "Nope....no openings...." So the guy says, "Well, I also can play the guitar..." Man checks the book...."Nope, no openings...." So the guy says, "Uh...any openings for a banjo player? I can also play the banjo a bit......" Man checks, says, "Nope, not a thing for banjo pickers....." The guy kicks the floor and says "Well, I'll be a son of a bitch!" The man says, "Why didnt you say so? We always need bandleaders......."

Posted by: GORDO | December 23, 2008 9:11 PM : "Sage: usurper: "One who wrongfully or illegally seizes and holds the place of another."
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If the above is true, then you must believe that s rightful president is bereft of his office by the usurpation you allege.

Tell us, just who IS the true president ?

Hillary

I hate it when Gordo's jokes are funnier than mine........

Posted by: GORDO | December 23, 2008 9:00 PM : "That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
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By your logic, no one who is not descended soley from persons living in this country at the adoption of the Constitution can be natural born. That leaves out Clinton, reagan, nixon, and Kennedy, besides Arthur and Wilson.

Good one Sturg----Hey---I tell the jokes around here----ok let all do it ---you were on the money---he was once sharing an apartment with a girlfriend,,,she kicked him out and he slept in his car for two nights ---till he found another girlfriend-----lucky kid ---it used to take me two years haha

When did Hillary get more votes than bob barr of ralph nadir ?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184668

WRONG !!!

Low-information problem again.

thefreedictionary.com:

Delusional: "( Psychiatry) A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness:"

"ATTENTION ALL MILITARY PERSONNEL (active or reserve, former or retired, any age). THIS IS A REQUEST TO SAVE YOUR CONSTITUTION, by participating as a Plaintiff in an urgent action lawsuit.

I agree to be a plaintiff in the legal action to be filed by Orly Taitz, Esq. in a PETITION FOR A DECLARATORY JUDGEMENT THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT of the U.S., nor TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the U.S. ARMED FORCES, in that I am or was a sworn member of the U.S. military (subject to recall), and therefore when serving as an active member of the military, I would be unable to follow any orders given by a Constitutionally unqualified Commander In Chief, since by doing so I would be subject to charges of aiding and abetting fraud and committing acts of treason."

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/are-you-military-or-former-military.html

There can't be a usurper without a usurpee. Hillary wasn't a candidate in the 2008 general election. So, if there were a usurpation, the usurpee can't possibly be her. Who was running, who passed this new-fangled EVER SINCE 1787 NATURAL BORN LAW test ?

Maybe bob barr. The Anti-Clinton.

Gordo,

By you sharing this online are you encouraging to someone do something that MAY violate the law?

I would strongly advise any person in the military to seek independent advice from competent counsel before agreeing to be a plaintiff in this lawsuit.

You should know in advance the possible consequences to your standing in the military before agreeing to be a plaintiff.

Solar - your snowball fight sounds like a lot of fun and a real treat for the neighborhood.

But I have to say (again) that you shouldn't wait for me to show up frozen. When I go, I'm pulling in any handles or other attachements with me - you ain't getting me in this mess again!

KGC - so you're hating the cold? I don't mind it and actually like it. I'm too acclimated to real distinct differences in temp and other weather.

Before I left St Louis for good, I remember one day with lots of snow on the ground - it was magical to see the cardinals wing their way from trees over to my window sill to chomp down on sunflowers seeds. That bright red color agasinst the white! It always reminded me of the the Sleeping Beauty story where her mother pricked her finger and a drop of her blood fell on a white piece of embroidery, resembling the beauty.

Anyway, KGC, we're at least getting the rain and I suspect some of my family will be on the slopes soon.

"Public Law 110-430 changed the date of the electoral vote in Congress in 2009 from January 6 to January 8. This date change is effective only for the 2008 presidential election."

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/officials.html

Get a new pony son, ............ get a new pony.

Lampe,

I looked over the posts from yesterday, and see that I got you wrong. I am very sorry. Please forgive me.

GORDO: Don't let all these Obama Supporters bully you. You and I as well as a lot of other Americans, know the true President-Elect should be Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As an institution, the Electoral College is not constrained. It can elect any candidate president that it prefers. There seems to be no federal judicial, legislative, or executive power over it. The Electoral College meets, and the US legislators, in Congress assembled, are given lowly the task of counting the enactment of the Electors.

All of this being the case, the taitz action must be seen to be frivolous, unsuited for acheiving the thing it proposes to accomplish. It can however, be viewed as an incitement to disobediene or mutiny.

CBob: 1:36 pm........................Re: Robin Williams quote, How can you not love Robin Williams, It is so funny and so true, I'm in Canada now (Calgary, Alberta) and likely to be for a while. Your Global Warming Theory would be agreeable, exceopt for one thing, if this is cyclical, and some say it is, wouldn't the earth heal itself a lot faster if we stopped throwing shit at it.

Bowmanc: 2:27 pm ................. "tell them not to have children", wouldn't it be great if we could just do that, but I think, if you guarantee freedom of religion, you get babies!!!!!!!

Bear: 2:28 pm ................. Say it ain't so, but if you must - Good Luck, Travel Light, and come back soon, regardless of reason.

Rita

too bad the Electoral College is not on Jan 8 09. Jan 8 is Elvis' birthday.

thank ya very much

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/caroline-and-hillary.html#comment-184682

Expected to be recovering from New Years.

If ya'll didn't catch Racheal tonight you need to try and catch it on the later rerun if you have a satelitte. She presented some really scary stuff re: Paster Warren's philosophy. Maybe you already know. He is a very scary guy and he seems to be stuffing his fat foot deeper down his throat.

I think she indicated some of this material is on Warren's website.

You and I as well as a lot of other Americans, know the true President-Elect should be Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO

Agreed! Gordo sees himself as the great protector of the Constitution yet advocates "guilty until proven innocent". Go figure.

"...the will of the people as expressed in the ballot box is meaningless to them. "

SoetorObama's Constitutional ineligibility was hidden from the "people".
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"... advocates "guilty until proven innocent"."

If he doesn't have anything to hide -- what is he hiding?

Doesn't really matter if he was born in HI or Kenya -- not a "natural born" citizen. If born in Kenya, not even a US "born" citizen. He could be an Indonesian or Kenyan -- NOW.

Checking Up on Obama’s Allegedly Forged Documents

"theobamafile.com has been reporting on Barack Obama’s Federal Election Commission document (two were filed; the second after Sen. Joe Biden came on board), where one has his signature in written form, and the other has his typewritten name in the same signature box.

However, as you’ll see below, and to follow up on a previous story here, Obama’s Selective Service document has a different signature…"

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1229

"It was people like GORDO the Constitution was written to protect us from."

God forbide, anyone would allow Gordo to sit on any jury with his attitude.

Lou Dobbs Gives Us All a Lump of Coal for Christmas

You had a clear chance to cover the most important news last week. But you missed it. Once a year the people who are really studying the earth, and what we're doing to it, get together. This year they met in San Francisco, all last week. 15,000 papers and reports. The American Geophysical Union: Meeting made this headline on the AP wire.

http://the-shin-bone-star.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-mr-dobbs.html

Same. . later

Coal In The Stocking - And The Drinking Water

But a massive coal ash spill like we saw today in Tennessee - the result of a burst dam at a private coal processing plant - ..........
You're talking about hundreds of acres of toxic sludge, the residue plants create by burning coal to produce energy, which includes mercury, arsenic and lead, spilling into the tributaries of the Tennessee River, poisoning the water supply for multiple communities, including Chattanooga.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/coal-in-stocking-and-drinking-water-by.html
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Video says it all.

More video of the victims :

Neighbor Chris Copeland after the TVA pond breach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bkF67ixAPw

Swan Pond residents describe the flood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wjePtBcgyA

C-Bob, the news did interviews with his neighbors, and they were kinda stunned. He was such a GOOD guy.

Ya just never can tell.

tt

new thread and good morning, patsi