Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Sweet Potato Pie !

Re: Caroline Kennedy wanting to be the Jr. Senator from NY.

She has never run nor been elected to any political office, but she is a Kennedy, please move her to the front of the line. To me that gives the appearance of a sense of entitlement to a job she wants without having to do the background work to get there. I hope she is not chosen.

I had Lee Hamilton down for the job at least until things settled down, but I like the Bill Bradley idea.

Good one Craig -

I'm for as many Rhodes scholars as we can get.

Patsi, Bowmanc

An interesting article on the publishing industry

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/book-publishers-are-they-car-companies-or-banks/

Jack

I got 5 bucks says Caroline would make a hell of a pick. New York will need a star in that job, not the most junior member of the senate.

The hard part is running back to back campaigns. Whoever it is, they gotta do that.

She'd scare off the competition.

Cbob

And since she is just there for her star power, she won't interfere with the wheeling and dealings of the good ole boys on wallstreet.

Hey, Its a win / win.

Jack

Martha (Sunny) von Bulow,
Adios Sunny

Not that any NY senator is going to launch any serious challenge to wall street. If they think about it all they have to do is look at what happened to Spitzer.

Jack

Caroline Kennedy for NY senate? RFK...NY senator...then ran for president. HRC, NY senator then ran for president...Caroline Kennedy '12???

I'm guessing she knows a lot about Wall Street, I hope she does. Jackie did a good job with those kids.

She stood up for Obama when it wasn't a done deal by any means. Pretty smart. She's up front, in the lounge car on this train.

Jack -
Maybe Caroline isn't addicted to hookers.

Solar- The bunny hop recipe was an interesting addition to my TM recipe file, quite a variety!

I'd prefer one of her cousins that has been involved in politics. I think the people of NY deserve better.

"After prayerful consideration, I have decided to become a candidate for Chairman of the Republican National Committee," Blackwell writes in the letter, which was forwarded to us by a Republican operative. "I write today to ask for your vote and endorsement."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/ken_blackwell.php

Cbob

It may depend on whose genetic material is the strongest. Although it does look with both of the kids that the mothers genetics won out.

But when they are out to get you , a lie works as well as the truth.

Jack

Thousands join climate change demo in Britain
LONDON, Dec 6
Thousands of campaigners marched in London on Saturday to demand that the British government take more action to prevent climate change.

http://www.spacedaily.com/2006/081206170752.6aohdzjo.html

OSH

Any body that would vote in Al D'Amato and keep him there for almost 20 years , deserve anybody they can get and should count themselves lucky.

Jack

Not like that long line of statesmen pouring out of Missouri.

Well, Madonna's comin' by and we're gonna go ride around with the top down.

Ray Of Light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFzeDExYPbw

harrumph.......they get caroline kennedy and we get Lindsay Graham.........

"after being in a coma for decades."

And here we have some posting in same circumstances.

Jack -- book publishers are running scared right now. People should have seen the layoffs coming.

Stand - REM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQBtcq3SWdo

" Your feet are goin' to be on the ground, your head is there to move you around"

Cheer up Sturg, I vote in Texas.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179875

Sol -- the bunny hop recipe got me ROTFL...do I drink it myself, or feed it to him? Either way, he's going to have to let me turn up the thermostat or I'm clinging to my flannel pj's!

Dave Matthews Band -
So Much to Say (Live at Piedmont Park)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYt_3ZKEIKI

Cbob

There is a reason we elected a dead man for Senate.
It was a huge step forward.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179875

Sol --

One more question about the juicing...what kind of blender do you suggest? My sharp-eyed brother found a Vita-Mix at a yard sale for $35, but that was the deal of the century. He did have to literally deck a guy who tried to steal it right out from his hands...they run $500 plus. But heck, if the recipe's as good as you say, my hubby might consider $500 a bargain.

That's an " Atta Boy" Jack .

You beat me like a drum.

Here we have been standing for a long long time
Treading trodden trails for a long long time

I find sometimes its easy to be myself
Sometimes I find better to be somebody else

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God Bless Dave Matthews

Duran Duran "Is There Something I Should Know"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCqkHbn9ANo

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People stare and cross the road from me
And jungle drums they all clear the way for me
Can you read my mind, can you see in the snow
And fiery demons all dance when you walk through that door
Dont say youre easy on me, youre about as easy as a nuclear war

Well

Set down and looked at week 2 of the invest in America plan.
Lets see, the market went up the market went down the market went in circles. And GM had the look of a nervous penny stock

I just stacked the poker chips up and it looks like I'm up 20%
Not bad, at this rate I figure in 5 years I can retire to that private island.
Maybe even get the wife the pool boy she claims she needs.

Jack

I wonder who Obama has to write jokes ?

We're gonna need a lot of jokes.

Note to readers :
Jack has just the described the classic example of "Catching a falling knife".

Cbob

What do you want to bet it was the speech writer that had his picture taken groping a picture of HRC. He had the look of a drunken comedy writer.

Jack

orange blossom special, gypsy version.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq473TE7pt0

Ha ha.....just a joke.....

Madonna made me play this :

"Hungry Like The Wolf" Duran Duran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv6Cr5LZStE

orange blossom special, german impression of hungarian version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG05yLlt_FA

Jack -
Never underestimate the power of drinking or comedy. Combined together, we get something greater than the sum of it's parts. Like the Roast of William Shatner.

Cbob

Catching a falling knife is only dangerous to those who insist on catching it with their chests. The hard part is what the heck do you do once you've caught it.
Because if you stand out there naked there is just nowhere to put it that won't slice a tender part of the anatomy.

Jack

C-Bob --

Here's a tour my hubby is arranging for our Loveland trip. We've seen the Benson bronze sculpture garden, now he wants to see how they're made.

http://www.artcastings.com/

Is there more you can tell about the Coach House at the Stanley? Is that a public-access part of the hotel?

IVY------You can have one too---but either way,,,it's going to be plenty hot in that there room---you won't need to turn up the heat---and don't you even dare-----FLANNLES--that will make the temp, drop like as if you had the window open,,,,theres a gonna by plenty of heat-----just set the clock to chime every hour on the hour---that will be your bell to go to a neutral corner of the ring------scratch that ---of the bed hahah

I have a Jack LeLanne Juicer---any will do if it is large enough,,,but remember an apple and 4 carrots as often as you can----you will feel a lot better in about 20 -30 day's,,,,best to mr.Green

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-179910

OSH---r u flirting with me????---kidding :-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-179938

lol

That is some painful truth

Jack

Sturg -

5 bucks says these guys worked for Warner Brothers :

Yehudi Menuhin plays Brahms Hungarian Dance No. 5

That's straight out of the cartoons. I can see Jack Warner telling Yehudi to report to the sound stage for backing music on a Buggs Bunny cartoon.

Ivy -
I've heard of the foundry for years now, never saw it. Poorer me for that.

The Coach House had been converted into a strip of motel rooms by the mid 70's. It was all that was rentable back then. There were columns of ice in parts of the main building back in those days.
It's a money pit with a red roof.
It's been 15 years since I was there last. Estes is great town, they know what they do, and they do it well.

and free lunch at the commissary..........lol

Ivy -- you must go to Estes Park and stop by the Little Bear....

There's a motel below the Stanley on the lake by the highway to Loveland.
We used to sneak in the sauna, and Neal Thompson would remove the screws on the hinges of the walk-in cooler with a Swiss Army knife.

Little Bear:

http://www.littlebearsaloon.com/

something tells me that the 3rd or 4th generation may have taken over at the little bear......lol

And Ivy -- I stuck Little Bear in the wrong place....look for it in Evergreen. Ha...been gone too long....

Hilarious!

Subject: THE FORBIDDEN SNL SKIT

Apparently, SNL did a Bailout skit, which has created some incredible problems for NBC. They have pulled the video, and apparently gone after anyone who put the video out there, because the video has all but disappeared off the Internet.

It was up on multiple sites and virtually all the copies are gone now. There are a few new thoroughly-edited copies on the net.

Now how much power would you have to have to pull something from the entire Internet?

http://msunderestimated.com/SNLBailoutSkit.wmv.

Report Debunks Theory That the U.S. Heard a Coded Warning About Pearl Harbor

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/us/07pearl.html

Solar- Nothing wrong with a little flirt now and then! Just kidding too. But honestly the file I am collecting is really covers the gamit from Jack's fried bread dough and water gravy, to your mexican rice and now the titillating bunny hop!

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama committed Saturday to the largest public works construction program since the creation of the interstate highway system a half-century ago as he seeks to put together a plan to resuscitate the reeling economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/us/politics/07radio.html?ref=us

broderick crawford as da kingfish, Willie Stark.....Turner Classic Movies........

Colorado Bob, have you tried the purple sweet potatoes? I you can see what looks like molasses oozing out of the vine side it should be great.

From the NYT story -

Then, Mr. Weiss said, Washington should invest money in existing programs that create work while cutting energy use, like home weatherization programs that have been chronically underfinanced. Congress authorized $900 million for the federal weatherization assistance program this year but only a third of that has been spent.

Mr. Bingaman noted a huge backlog of maintenance projects at national parks and other federal lands. Such a program would be similar to Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Civilian Conservation Corps, which built many of the original roads, bridges, trails and buildings on public lands in the 1930s.

Arghh--a full-court press to make the CIA politically correct. I suppose that's where Bradley comes in.

Well, if we are going to emasculate the Agency, we might as well use the Carter model and go for broke. IMO, he did terrible damage to the United States by putting assets in fear for their lives. Bradley would have fit in perfectly.

Hayden is good. Keep him. He's the executive who has returned credibility and professionalism to the Agency. Keep him. Keep him. Keep him.

There's about to be a lot of guys crawling up ladders.

Bill Bradley CIA ,are y'all nuts ! He would not even allow loud music . The terrorists are laughing at hell at the US .

WASHINGTON, DC, December 5, 2008 (ENS) - For the first time in 25 years, people will be able to carry loaded, concealed weapons in national parks and wildlife refuges under a new rule approved by the Bush administration today.

The new rule overturns a 25 year old regulation that required guns in parks to be unloaded and placed where they are not easily accessible, such as the truck of a car.

Now, a person can carry firearms concealed and loaded at 388 of the country's 391 national park sites if that individual is authorized to carry a concealed weapon under state law in the state where the national park or refuge is located....

The new rule was approved despite concerns raised by every living former director of the National Park Service, several ranger organizations, retired superintendents, and thousands of national park visitors.

Is that a 357 in your pants, or are just happy to see the Lincoln Memorial ?

"Any body that would vote in Al D'Amato and keep him there for almost 20 years , deserve anybody they can get and should count themselves lucky."

Sorry not in agreement this time-with NYC being the largest populated city in the country and the State economy being the 3rd largest economy in the country ,it's too important to be flip about. We're not talking Alaska here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Kennedy hater, love Caroline (people use to mistake me for her) and would love to see her have a role in politics. I just never considered the position of Senator as entry level. Anyways, following your logic would make the American public deserving of anybody they can get as they voted Bush in twice (or once)?

"Anyways, following your logic would make the American public deserving of anybody they can get as they voted Bush in twice (or once)?"

Yes,
And your point ?

Jack

Dutch authorities have revealed details of their plans to clean up Amsterdam's famous red light district.

They say they will close half the city's brothels, sex shops and marijuana cafes in a bid to drive organised crime from the city centre.

Council officials gave the sex industry a warning a year ago that they were going to close some brothels.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7769199.stm

Is that an eviction notice in your pants, or are you just glad to see me ?

bob scores 2 from way out........lol

"it's too important to be flip about. We're not talking Alaska here. "

OSH -- I'm not sure Alaska is the example you want.

Vanity Fair's archive -- articles leading up to the current economic crisis:

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/recession

Patsi - you're right. I did mix up Rez and Bear, and I do think both guys come off as very intelligent and well-read. I stand by the message, too. I think there's something out there for everyone to read.

Patd - thanks for the alternate site for pix.

Rez- don't know if you saw that post to Bear. I'll re-post it to you.

Ivy - thanks for that info re eyement. I saw a news segment once re its being used for severely depressed criminals! I do think I am addicted to reading. If I don't read everyday, I have a very strong mood change and I don't like it. I get super grumpy and snarky - lose all sense of focus and purpose.
It's quite serious. I can't remember when I didn't read.

I think Caroline would be a very bad choice for replacement senator, and can't imagine Bradley as a spy. He's too tall, for one thing - HA!

Patsi- You may be right!

I heard an interesting little "road story" on NPR today....a woman who evidently was on the Bush bus in 1999 said he talked a lot about missing his three cats while campaigning. Just casual conversation about the cats, like most cat lovers tend toward...the woman said he was so tender toward the cats that -- as a cat person -- she found it endearing.

(She said he never mentioned missing his dog OR his wife and daughters.)

Fast forward to post 9/11:

Bush is interviewed saying with a macho tone of voice that he's a "dog man" and that it is Laura who likes the three cats....

ROFL....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-179978

I'm not doubting the story, but that had to be BB (before Barney). A Scottie dog changes everything.

only trouble is he's such a liar he has to get someone else to call his dog for him......wearing a pork chop necklace is the only way barney will play with him.....

ba-dump bump.

OSH

I've noticed that most days we all tend to get the politicians we deserve. Most people don't pay any attention to what goes on around them and mark the ballot for the strangest reason. It is amazing that we get as good of politicians as we do. It is nothing for a convicted felon to get reelected. If the economy wasn't sso bad Ted Stevens would have went back to washington with a mandate.

So in my opinion we almost always get the ones we deserve and when we are lucky they lie to us and we get the kind we need. I'm hoping Obama is the later.

Jack

Tonight is our local Christmas parade and general fun...
It's one of my favorite events but everyone is carrying a go cup!

A cup of hot chocolate no doubt.

Jack

Hummmm, with Rumplemintz?

"A Scottie dog changes everything. "

Ha -- I'd say the same about a Border Collie....but a friend of mine has Scotties and that's a cool dang dog!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-179961

Nope, 5 years is plenty of time.
I'm not greedy.

Jack

Jack -- Your "get what we deserve" chain of thought reminds me of a night in late October of 2004...a big party of music biz people and several formerly very liberal people said they had already early voted for Bush....my jaw dropped....and they kept saying it was about "keeping us safe."

These people had NEVER voted Republican -- hadn't voted for Bush the first time around. But they were convinced he was Big Daddy saving us from evil doers.

I well remember finally saying, "Well, I guess it depends on what we're scared of, and who shows up. We'll get the president we deserve."

And a publishing guy sitting there said, "Yeah, God help us."

apparently god DOES play dice in the selection of presidents..........

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-179985

Patsi --

No argument here, having been owned once by a Border collie too -- best trained dogs of them all. Mr. Green would have another in an instant if I'd let him.

Ivy -- My dad's constant companion for YEARS was a Border collie named Snuffy Smith. Smartest dog I have ever been around. When my uncle's race horses got loose and started after me (unless Snuffy was at the farm) he immediately started rounding them up like cattle....

(They only started stomping and snorting when I was caught very far from the house -- they were temperamental and could be as mean as Shetlands.)

Jack
Hot chocolate..homemade peppermint marshmallows and just tot of brandy

I supported Bill Bradley when he ran for president and he would be great at the CIA. I like public official who thinks about things. Too bad Gary Hart isn't being considered for something.

"Too bad Gary Hart isn't being considered for something."

Hmm...as a former Colorado resident....well, I will stay quiet....

Setting aside Hart's big giant ego....he does have a pretty good head for foreign policy

His recent books have been pretty good

maybe he loined.....uh, LEARNED something along the way...........

You had it right in the first place, sturge....and it wasn't even his running around that I cared about, it was the condescending opinion he appeared to have of his wife at parties....I just didn't like him much.

Plus, I met him after already being pissed at his using George McGovern's campaign to further himself (IMO) before McGovern.

Patsi
I worked on that McGovern Campaign and I thought Hart was ok for that...and fortunately I never had any personal contact with him so....but I understand your objection.

Well, that's good to hear KGC -- I heard negatives from some in his circle back in the day. That he was continually trying to push his own agenda, and that he did little to settle down the divergent factions in the party that weakened McGovern.

I am also basing an opinion on just three or four political galas when I thought he belittled his wife. You would never have seen that in the case of Dick and Dottie Lamm, or Tim and Wren Wirth.

C-Bob -- Tim Wirth was another Colorado politician who was a little too honest for his own good about how he felt. Wren was one of the best and brightest, as well.

While channel surfing I came across an oldish-type western so stayed with it. It was close to the end and the end was a horrible gun-fight. I watched and it never occurred to me to change channels - I wanted to see it end. It was The Wild Bunch, which I had never seen. My heart is still pounding and that was over thirty minutes ago.

Leonard Maltin refers to the "beautiful" blood-letting - says it's Peckinpaugh's best. For the life of me I can't see what good that movie did. I don't see how the world is any better for it's having been made.

I'm sure a lot of you will disagree, tho. The way I see it, gangbangers are nothing new. What goes thru the minds of people who spend hours occupied with writing and staging and filiming such inhumanity cannot be good.

" For the life of me I can't see what good that movie did. I don't see how the world is any better for it's having been made.'

Well, Bethy -- I am one who agrees. I hated that movie. Just pandering to the punk side of life.

Stinky and I haven't been to a movie theater since the mid-70s. It stopped being fun. We used to go because we wanted some good old fashioned escapism.

Didn't Bill Bradley play for the NY Knicks? I would think anybody connected to the NY Knicks would know a lot about torture. Have you seen their team the last few years??? Oh and Rumsfield has a nemesis?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081207/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/obama_veterans_affairs

A song for Rummy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOfM7WB1ya4

PROGRAMING BULLETIN :
Tomorrow on Book TV C-Span 2 , is 3 hours of Kevin Phillips live.
Kevin has got his finger on our pulse, he's still ahead of the wave.

Boone Pickens picked that pathetic Stephen Moore to pieces last Tue. And C-Span was there. I just saw it tonight. Pickens tipped some more about his conversations with McCain and Obama . If you want to see what the energy debate is watch Pickens. Pickens gets it, and he thinks Obama gets it. It's a hell of an hour and a half .

Warning !
Moore gets run over like a jeep over a chicken. Seriously, Moore should be fired if he's the Wall Street Journal point man on energy.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-R-13167

In Depth: Kevin Phillips

Upcoming Schedule

Sunday, December 7, at 12:00 PM
Monday, December 8, at 12:00 AM
Saturday, December 13, at 9:00 AM

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9941&SectionName=In%20Depth&PlayMedia=No

The energy debate for Pickens is free federal money.

Jack

1st book -
Kevin Phillips is the author of "The Emerging Republican Majority," (1969)

Last book -
"Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism."

I can't wait to see what Mr. Phillips has to say.

"The energy debate for Pickens is free federal money."

Jack, I'm missing your point

HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH - PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH

"I’ve been forwarded the actual naturalization record for William Arthur on microfiche, obtained from the Library of Congress. He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843.

Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.

He wasn’t a “natural born citizen” and he knew it.

That means Chester Arthur was a British subject at the time of his birth.

Because Chester Arthur covered up his British citizenship, any precedent he might have set that the country has had a President born of an alien father is nullified completely as Chester Arthur was a usurper to the Presidency. He wouldn’t have been on the ticket if it was public knowledge. Nobody knew Arthur was a British subject because nobody looked in the right place for the truth. "

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/

Subsidies to support his wind farms.

The rest of his stuff he pushes the wind energy to replace natural gas to replace gasoline doesn't hold water.

It is too late to dig up the numbers tonight maybe later.

He may now be talking about something else, I ignore him after listening to his sales pitch the first time.

You want to reduce The growth of CO2 take the money being used to susidise wind energy and spend it on insulating houses in poor neighborhoods. more bang for the buck. A great jobs program too.

Jack

Really Cracker Jack thinking there Jack.
But you're wrong. Plain and simple. Look Pickens is 80, and he's on a " Mission from God ".
Watch the clip, and come back. He's firing on all cylinders.
A few weeks ago I wrote some stuff about Brazil , and their new discoveries off shore. Pickens talks about the discovery well I was referring to. It cost $250,000,000. He destroy's Newt & Palin's arguments.
He takes a swipe at George Allen. It's great TV.

It was done in front of The White House Writers Group .
Not exactly a bunch of chumps.

" I would think anybody connected to the NY Knicks would know a lot about torture. Have you seen their team the last few years??? "

Corey -- you crack me up! ROFL!

"Moore gets run over like a jeep over a chicken. "

And ditto, C-Bob....ROFLMAO!

I think Bob and Jack are probably both right. 1. Pickens is looking for big federal money, and 2. he probably sees this as his big finale.

A singer I know was married to Boone -- and he dumped her because she wouldn't stay out on the ranch. I could have told him she was more of a Dallas girl.

Jack- "when we are lucky they lie to us and we get the kind we need." It's kind of scary how right you are with this statement!

Have been busy today because tomorrow is my day off and I'm going to America!!! Have a good Sunday, hope there's not much bloodshed! I like to be in America!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QS7wWzwak4

A lot of moving parts on the energy debate, but Pickens has zeroed in on just one big part of the whole thing.

30 % 0f our current fuel consumption goes to move all the toilet paper & dog food around, batteries cannot serve as a heavy transportation fuel.

For every barrel of diesel we save moving our toilet paper around, we don't burn the 3 barrels it takes to make that barrel of diesel.
Plus we'll clean the air noticabley as the switch takes place. All of this would cut into our imports of oil, and Pickens points can work. Because we switched to natural gas as a heavy transportation fuel. It's American, and we know how to build this stuff. We're talking about re-plumbing the Pilot Truck Stop, and getting Freightliner to make nat. gas tractors. J.B. Hunt, Swift, Yellow ..... as they run through the fleet we make the change. They just add another hose on the fuel island, and pull the old ones slowly out. 5 years we'd be done.

As for the gas, they're drilling under DWF airport as I type. The gas drillers in the United States by figuring out how to tap these huge shale deposits, have quietly saved our bacon. But all this downdraft has done is to cause them to start stackin' rigs. I'll get the Hugh's Tool count later.

We need a dump truck that doesn't run on diesel.

I wonder who could make such a truck ?

The only thing that gives me hope is that we have 2 Mars rovers, that had 90 day guarantees, and they're both still running.

Hell ..... give G.M. to JPL .

Patsi -
The Greek part is the best, he knifes McCain in the second act , and you barely see the blood under the togo. He likes Obama , I can tell as he's stayed active, he's got Obama's ear, and he likes it. It's amazing ..... the man who torpedoed John Kerry is riding on the Obama Blossom Special. And I say Amen Bother.

If that doesn't prove my " Flying Chickens Theory of Everything" ..... nothing does.

Caroline Kennedy and T. Boone Pickens riding up front in the lounge car on the Obama Blossom Special.

And I say Amen Bother.

What time do we reach Harrisburg ?

I would love a real Obama Blossom Special, Chicago to D.C.
Let America stand along the railroad tracks like we used to .

Vassar Clements & Del McCoury Band along with some of the best fiddle players together All Star Bluegrass Celevbration II DVD. Recorded on April 2nd 2003 at the Grand Ole Opry House in Nashville, TN

Orange Blossom Special

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f_QySKfsgI

And C-Bob starts this thread with, "Sweet Potato Pie !"

tt

Patsi and Flatus - I typed this yesterday just after seeing your comments re the movie, and didn't post it. I did copy it, tho. So here it is now - why didn't I post it? I really was shook up by that damn movie.

Patsi and Flatus - Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! I hear so many people talking about certain great movies and am appalled. Some people might try to claim glory for that movie by saying there are lessons to be learned from it, aside from "Stay home", but they don't want to mention that there are other ways to teach those same lessons.

We wonder where road rage comes from!

I honestly don't know what the last movie wa that I saw in a theater.

I'm listening to my classical music station now !

this movie and that movie have this origin and that origin as original thoughts and motivations, but the bottom line is a movie has to make money...if a movie gets made it's because someone somewhere thought it would make money.......if it makes money, it's a "good" movie for someone.......
kind of like tv, radio, and newspapers....and books.

--Publius Realicus

Bethy -- when you first posted about The Wild Bunch I could only vaguely recall some of the controversy...couldn't remember what Peckinpah had to say about it and so looked it up. Here's a bit from Wiki:

"The violence that was much criticized by critics in 1969 remains controversial. Director Peckinpah noted it was allegoric of the American war against Vietnam, whose violence was nightly televised to American homes at supper time. He tried showing the gun violence commonplace to the historic western frontier period, rebelling against sanitised, bloodless television westerns and films glamourising gun fights and murder. The point of the film is to take this façade of movie violence and open it up, get people involved in it so that they are starting to go in the Hollywood television predictable reaction syndrome, and then twist it so that it's not fun anymore, just a wave of sickness in the gut . . . It's ugly, brutalizing, and bloody awful; it's not fun and games and cowboys and Indians. It's a terrible, ugly thing, and yet there's a certain response that you get from it, an excitement, because we're all violent people. Peckinpah used violence as catharsis, believing his audience would be purged of violence, by witnessing it explicitly on screen. He later admitted to being mistaken, that the audience came to enjoy rather than be horrified by his films' violence, something that troubled him."

how bout richard clarke for cia? not as pretty as valerie plame, but at least he did try to give warning re 911 et alia and has some inner sanctum experience (which bradley doesn't unless he was covert all this time). here's clarke in today's wapo.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/05/AR2008120502606.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

lest we forget the date
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUMYsrWiCA

Dollar Bill Jefferson goes down in Louisiana...Vietnamese American elected to seat:

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/jefferson_cao_in_dead_heat.html

Gen. Shinseki -- what a good choice!

text of "infamy" speech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infamy_Speech#Text_of_the_speech

"What sort of a day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times -- and you were there."
[cronkite]

Joe Satriani suing Coldplay.......

I am glad that Bill Jefferson was defeated. It was disgusting to see him re-elected last time...

Beware of anyone stating "after prayful consideration"... re Kenneth Blackwell...

Ugh... the 'pugs love to throw God into everything, even their own lust for power.

I agree, Tom -- the sad thing is, since he wouldn't get out of the race, we now have a Republican in that seat. I don't know much about the new guy's underlying politics...whether he's a moderate.

Also, here's more about Bush's eleventh hour appointments -- Democrats paying no attention at all:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/washington/07memo.html?ref=politics

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-179896

Caroline Kennedy would be an exciting choice because of the Kennedy legacy. It would be nice to also have the last remaining offspring of Jacqueline Kennedy in politics, not to mention that of Former President John F. Kennedy.

I agree she goes to the front of the line because she is a Kennedy, but that's no different than Dubya getting preference for the Repug nomination in 2000 because he was "George Bush" and that is not including the fact he ran for for and won the Texas Governor's race with no experience besides failed corporations, drugs and alcohol problems. Even the Texans liked the celebrity political name game. They chose Bush over the excellent Ann Richards.

The Repugs doth protest too much.

Her name shouldn't give her the seat -- remember all the anti-legacy outrage from some Democrats when Hillary was running?

Caroline has done some smart and interesting work. NY could certainly do worse. I guess my question is, are equally smart but more deserving people being overlooked because of the name?

Bottom line for me is -- don't really care who it is as long as it's a Democrat.

Morn'n all......
Thank you Pat'd for remembering.... The day of Infamy...

Patsi,

Do you have a past connection with Louisiana? You do seem to keep up with what goes on here.

Carol

So today the choice of CIA leadership is as critical as ever -- with the second day of infamy of Sept 11.
We have new and deliberate enemy that hides in the many shadows of evil in the world.

Pres Elect Obama continues to discover this threat and must make a wise choice - not political

CB's comment re Pickens and energy was quite good. He heard Pickens the same way I did.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-180015

Pickens and the force of Capitalistic Free Market....

If it is there someone will find it...

CBob...
thanks for the heads up on Kevin Phillips and his upcoming CSpan appearances.....

I picked up his recent book "Bad Money" a couple weeks ago..... it's slim compared to his other books..... but I bet worth it's weight in gold nonetheless....
I'll be digging into it in a few days.....

Bethy.... I do go see movies..... but I HATE the gory stuff also....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-180038

Patd

There may be more "qualified" candidates than Carolyn Kennedy, but she comes not only with a famous name but a large bank account.

It is sad that in our country that ability and proven experience doesn't get you the big prizes in politics. You either have to be self funded or have a whole lot of people pay the bills for you.

At least Carolyn has an excellent education and a proven track record of public service even if it has been out of the limelight.

Chef Sheila was the only one to pick Shinseki for the VA post in advance on the cabinet appointments. She also has named three others that are in the cabinet but not in the positions she named.

5 secretaries of State advise Hillary Clinton
George Shultz, James Baker, Warren Christopher, Madeleine Albright and Colin Powell offer their views.

"Hillary Rodham Clinton will have no shortage of issues to take on as secretary of State. She steps into the job amid a global economic meltdown and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. On top of that, she must address the rising tensions between India and Pakistan, and the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while managing complex relations with Russia and China. And there are the perennial issues of hunger and disease in Africa, drugs in Latin America and the nuclear threat worldwide. How can one person manage it all?"
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-miller7-2008dec07,0,7781543.htmlstory

"Do you have a past connection with Louisiana? "

No, Carol -- except I've spent quite a bit of time in New Orleans and also with friends around Lake Arthur.

A New, Less Ideological Politics?
‘Partisan’ Seeks a Prefix: Bi- or Post-
"Six weeks before taking office, President-elect Barack Obama can already boast one striking accomplishment: persuading partisan, ideological adversaries to see him in a less partisan, less ideological light.
In the end, however, the possibilities for a politics that breaks traditional patterns may depend less on Mr. Obama’s talents than on widespread weariness with the dogma of ideologues — of the left and the right.

“I would like to see us enter a post-ideological era in which policies are based on pragmatic considerations rather than conformity to a set of preconceptions rooted in a rapidly vanishing past,” Judge Richard Posner, appointed by Mr. Reagan to the federal appeals court in 1981, wrote in a recent blog posting. He preceded that wish with this: “I would be happy to see conservatism exit from the political scene — provided it takes liberalism with it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/weekinreview/07harwood.html?ref=weekinreview

Danm---can't even spell Cao right---Ccao=Cao

Firedoglake says thanks but no thanks to Caroline Kennedy

http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/07/caroline-kennedy-thanks-but-no-thanks/

Flatus----would Mr. Cao's name be pronounced Chow? thanks

I like his choice of Shinseki--he's a fine officer and will add a lot of credibility to the VA directorship.

I'm still deeply worried about CIA. The Agency absolutely needs an intelligence professional at the top. A professional with seasoned executive and leadership abilities. Hayden is clearly my choice. It would be a real stretch saying he was involved in the torture--that's not part of the military intelligence culture. (The aberrant happenings at Abu Ghraib were not done by military intelligence people.)

I think whoever is chosen must absolutely end rendition in the way it's been done under Mr Bush, and dramatically curtail use of contractor personnel in field operations.

Hayden, along with strong, involved Congressional oversight is, IMO, the way to go.

KGC---hello --hope all is ok,,and your mom ok too?

"Flatus----would Mr. Cao's name be pronounced Chow? thanks"

I'll be darned if I know. I never caught on to the Romanticization that they and the Chinese like using. Anything newer than McCune-Reishcauer leaves me ambivalent at best.

But, then, the only languages that I do, some better than others, are French, Spanish, and Korean. My English leaves many people bemused--especially when I lapse into NCO-speak.

"But, then, the only languages that I do, some better than others, are French, Spanish, and Korean. My English leaves many people bemused--especially when I lapse into NCO-speak."

As you have seen, my written English sucks,,,my Spanish is pretty good--- and that leaves your NCO-speak,,,I can probably follow that pretty good also----the rest of them is impressive------I should have stayed in the Service, for an education,,,and for travel---which is the only thing that I envy people.

KGC---hello --hope all is ok,,and your mom ok too?

You may have me confused with someone. I'm good and my mother died about 12 years ago.

KGC---so sorry ---I thought that once you said something like____my mom like that you won't let anyone abuse children in public,,,

"--Today is Sunday---I want my hoss fed,,,some good vittles--"

Only the best Solar, only the best. (and not just on Sundays) :)

"my written English sucks,,"

Wish you'd quit saying that Solar. All language is for is communication. And your communication skills are very good. That's all that matters.

_my mom like that you won't let anyone abuse children in public,,,

I did say that...but is should have been in the past tense!
Now she does it from the spirit world

"Now she does it from the spirit world"

And through you Katherine. :)

"Only the best Solar, only the best. (and not just on Sundays) :)"

Saw you on earlier---and wanted to say Hi thats all .

I know Solar. Just kidding with you.

I just wanted to say hi to you too.

KGC---got you---and I remember that there was a nice hug from her also---so Im glad that my memory is clear about this---thanks

Chole---the is the last time that I apol0gize for it---from now on is,,,let er rip---and you stop saying--that you were just kidding, cos I know that----what other animal on you farm,,or is it a farm,,,or is my hoss sharing a garage. with a BMW or something,,,,do you do all of this hard work by you self---lot more questions but, these will do for now????

I know everyone saw this story already, but I just love the lead in to it and hope so much it comes true.

JOBS, ROADS, BRIDGES, SCHOOLS, BROADBAND, ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS, ENERGY
Obama unveils 21st Century New Deal
"President-elect Barack Obama added sweep and meat to his economic agenda on Saturday, pledging the largest new investment in roads and bridges since President Dwight D. Eisenhower built the Interstate system in the late 1950s, and tying his key initiatives – education, energy, health care –back to jobs in a package that has the makings of a smaller and modern version of FDR's New Deal marriage of job creation with infrastructure upgrades."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16258.html

Have a great Sunday!

"the is the last time that I apol0gize for it---from now on is,,,let er rip---and you stop saying--that you were just kidding, cos I know that--"

Deal!

Solar, Our horses have a few acres to wander around on. They've got a good life. (One of them was born on the property). My husband does more of the work involving them (sometimes we have help). I care more for the many, many small animals around the property (all neutered and spayed, so they're not multiplying). We used to have a pet calf and a couple of pet goats (one of them born here too, that is the best feeling), but found them a new home a long time ago.

Ask any questions you want, but you'll have to answer some of mine later too. :)

later

KGC,

Inre: The Community Reinvestment Act and the Recent Mortgage Crisis

Here's an interesting article from of all people D. Horowitz which includes a link or a speech by a Fed Res Governor.

"In conclusion, I believe the CRA is an important model for designing incentives that motivate private-sector involvement to help meet community needs. The CRA has, in fact, been helpful in alleviating the financial isolation of many areas of concentrated poverty. . "

Obama Republicans.....Ping?

Might help to have the link:-)

Conservative myths about the financial crisis

http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/Read.aspx?guid=289665cc-e976-4e5f-b761-4b92876505a1

Thought for the day :
" Whatever advice you give, be brief. "

1923 Ted Knight Terryville CT, (Mary Tyler Moore, Caddy Shack )

0043 -BC- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman writer, gets his head & right hand chopped off by Mark Antony's soldiers
1661 Under pressure from the British Parliament, the American Colony of Massachusetts suspended its Corporal Punishment Act of 1656, which had imposed harsh penalties on Quakers and other religious Nonconformists.
1787 Delaware becomes 1st state to ratify constitution
1868 Jesse James gang robs bank in Gallatin MO, kills 1
1934 Wiley Post discovers the jet stream
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At this hour the attack on Pearl Harbor was under way, 67 years ago.

Solar
No problem....

Rez
Thanks for that..I noticed the CRA rants have died out a bit and it was dishonest of the goopers to try to pin the fault there when all the eivdence was to contrary.

From the bad news file ;
Suspected Taliban insurgents attacked two truck stops, destroying more than 150 vehicles carrying supplies bound for U.S.-led troops in Afghanistan.
By Laura King, Reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan
6:32 AM PST, December 7, 2008

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan8-2008dec08,0,2335333.story

About three-quarters of the supplies bound for Western troops in Afghanistan -- fuel, food and equipment -- travel by road after being shipped to the port of Karachi.

Ms. Kings words , sorry.

" Nearly a month ago, militants hijacked a convoy of more than a dozen vehicles in the Khyber agency. They posed for triumphal photos with two captured Humvees they draped with Taliban banners. Then last week, 22 trucks were torched at a truck stop close to the scene of today's attack. "
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Iran is the only other way in overland.

Blue -
I've heard your calls about GM / CDS -

Paying off on Credit Default Swaps is So Important
By: masaccio Saturday December 6, 2008 1:53 pm

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2261
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This guy is on the same page Blue.

Kevin Phillips mentions flying chickens.

NEW YORK (AP) — David Gregory's new job as moderator of "Meet the Press" was made official Sunday with an announcement on the long-running NBC interview program that he will take over starting next week.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5im1pTyZkpliSb_DpMK9CXV5m6JugD94U129G1
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Good Luck Mr. Gregory.

Native hunters: Climate is thinning caribou herds

Erasmus, from Yellow Knife in Canada's Northwest Territories about 300 miles (480 kilometers) south of the Arctic Circle, brings firsthand experience of climate change.

The caribou, or reindeer, herds are declining across North America and northern Europe, he said.

"We can't hunt because the ice is not frozen yet. Our hunters are falling through the ice, and lives are being lost," Erasmus told The Associated Press. This winter the normally dry area has been covered by thick, wet snow, further hampering hunting, he said.

Petroleum extraction from the Canadian tar sands is draining the underground water table and reducing the flow of the rivers northward, and the effects are felt hundreds of miles away, he said.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103ap_eu_poland_climate_northern_hunters.html
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Part of the extraction of oil from these sands involves steam cleaning the sand.

Ten Things David Gregory Needs to Know

4.) Never let Chuck Todd drive you to work

3.) Don't sit Doris Kearns Goodwin next to David Broder. Long story

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/12/ten-things-davi.html

jamie, re your 9:50, that was patsi with an si and not me with a d that said
"Caroline has done some smart and interesting work. NY could certainly do worse. I guess my question is, are equally smart but more deserving people being overlooked because of the name?"

however, in less elegant words, "ditto to that"
(btw, we pats are an abused lot... everybody is always trying to get things down us.)

Chole-----

"Ask any questions you want, but you'll have to answer some of mine later too. :)"

this statement is unconditional-but only--from,, Ask --to--you want,---period,,,you might get that smart alecky lawyer Pogo,,so just that you know.,,,here is the part that I object to
but you'll have to answer some of mine later too---kinda liked the :) but that's all!!

You must be a hell of a chess player-----your husband ---------------------- ( fill in name)--must have his hands full, when and if you play----it's been a while that I have,,,,,but don't you dare tell me his name is--- RICK ---or BILL---for that matter, or I will get Gordo to find out what the hell is going on here,,,,a conspiracy, to make me crazy, or what??

And by the way ----I have signed a Non--Disclosure --Non Compete form,,,so I will only be able to answer just 1 question,,so make it a good un. :-))))

food alert! up the guiness...no to the trotters
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/07/irish-pork-contamination-warning

CBob....
that was one of the most amazing 3 hrs I've ever spent watching the boob tube....

and yes.... when K. Phillips talked about the chickens coming home to roost, I thought of you.....

thanks again.....

"feelings of inadequacy soar when women are present"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/07/men-low-esteem-work-bedroom

today's pirate fix
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1208/p09s01-coop.html

Renee

Lost my satellite picture and could not watch Kevin Phillips ----C-B talked me into it---years ago I came to think that he was ----good at times and really bad at times ----but he never was two faced,,,so I will watch him if I can get my signals back for my sat. receiver. thanks for the report on him.

"The ‘most beautiful theatre in the world’ dresses up with a host of lights for the end-of-year festivities. The cobbles on the Grand-Place will welcome a monumental installation that appeals to all the senses: The Electrabel Nights ..."

I was in Brussel this afternoon and evening to enjoy the Christmas Market and the beautiful light and music program at the "GRAND PLACE". Pictures cannot do the light show justice!

Great day!

http://www.plaisirsdhiver.be/en/grand_place.aspx

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/bradley-gets-spy-talk-boost.html#comment-180027

PatD... thumbs-up on the Richard Clarke suggestion to head CIA...

Solar, It's Glen.
But I'm not going to ask your question yet, since I only get one, I'm saving for a really good one, because you're getting all legal on me. :)
(unless I'm misremembering, your wife's name is Judy? - but that doesn't count as a question).

Tom,
http://www.plaisirsdhiver.be/en/grand_place.aspx
Tom, The Grand Place looks beautiful beyond words!
Patd's pirate fix had a link to other Europe Christmas markets with a picture of the Vienna Christmas market (in which the picture looks very similar to the one you linked). I wish you'd share more pictures of your area. Gorgeous!

Here's the link to the one from Patd's
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1208/p17s01-lign.html

PATD-----"feelings of inadequacy soar when women are present"------thats why things like the following happen."-)

At Saint Mary's Catholic Church they have a weekly husband's marriage seminar.

At a session, last week, the Priest asked Old Man, who was approaching his 50th wedding anniversary, to take a few minutes and share some insight into how he had managed to stay married to the same woman for all these years.

Old Man replied to the assembled husbands, "Well, I've tried to treat her nice, spend the money on her, but the best is that I took her to Italy for the 20th anniversary!"

The Priest responded, "You are an amazing inspiration to all the husbands here! Please tell us what you are planning for your wife for your 50th anniversary."

Old Man proudly replied, "I'm gonna go to get her."

Senator Caroline Kennedy = a good idea.

tt

Now men are going through what women have had to deal with ever since the White Goddess was taken out by the Sun God. Sorry if I'm having a hard time finding pity in my heart. Especially because they are self imposed feelings of inadiquicey.

I'm thinking maybe it depends on which parent was their authority figure from the time they were small children. Some men seem not to like seeing women as too authoritative. Maybe they're the ones who had more authoritative mothers. Whatever the reason, feelings of inadequacy are bad feelings, self imposed or not. Acutually all feelings are self imposed, good and bad.

Rosie--how have you been?

I know that you are right ---most men have all gone thru times of inadiquicey at one time or another,,,,but I don't think, that they all have all of the time---I believe that women are the better of the two sexes.----but not all women , and all men should not be painted with such a broad brush......I have worked with some women that were a pleasure to work with and have not felt Intimidated ----I have even learned from one Newspaper Reporter where I worked in the advertising dept,,,she whent out of her way to introduce me to a few of her friends,,that were also reporters.

I have worked with some women that were so emasculating that I had to walk around with my hands in my pockets-----but I will say this----it is about time that women get fair treatment in all things-0---and t hat includes past History of their scarfices for our country------hows the football pools gooing ---win any--I hope?

Hey, Solar! I'm good, hope you've been well. Since you don't mind talking about such, tell me. Exactly what would these women do to 'emasculate' you? When men are trying to dehumanize a woman, it usually is in a sexually offensive way that goes from harassment all the way to rape. What do women do?

Chole

You are right about parents-----they to a degree contribute -----even religion does ( more so than one can imagine ) not any more,,but my mom (she is 93 now) for a long time could not stand to watch one of her sons ,,,cook, or wash dishes,,,I can even sew a little<<<she didn't like that,,,she used to say that was womens work---and that the bilbe said so---mos men take advantage of this type of thinking-----she no longer thinks like this cos she has seen all of us men doing,,,,woman''s work----like i said she is 93,,,and when she is here I , raise my voice to her and demand that she wash the dishes-----she just smiles at me and says----not me Im a modern women....she is a pistola----actually you would like her----she had a lot of animals too, including a horse that I stole once when I was around 8-9 years old,,,,but she was a regular annie get you gun hahaha

Rosie

I will only give you one, or two examples ----this has never happened to me, cos they never would knew that it would not go unanswered-------the first is some wives that I have seen will ridicule the husband in front of others is such a way that , it call to question his manhood----not little b.s. things but mind controlling b.s.----and men do also---and more often----J MCcain comes to mind

No 2nd -----that doesn't help much----but you know that there are examples------once again with felling

Women don't deserve the bullshit that they ,have gone thru,,,are going thru, and will go thru------that is one of the reasons that I was prepaired to vote for the first time in my life for someone in one of the two party's ----a Woman-----H. Clinton....

Solar-I know what you mean about the belittling in front of others. even if it is in a joking manner. But I think that is the only way some women are able to show any .... I don't want to say 'power', but any kind of ....ugh, can't find the word. I think it is more competition, than emascualtion. A one-up-manship.

Rosie

It's all about power----the women up until??? gave us the men the power---in ancient times, and in most modern times,,,women needed the protection of the men----for protection of family from other tribes----countries from killing off the sons that they helped to grow into warriors ,,so that they in turn could become warriors,,,rape I believe is also, one of the things that were happening to other tribes, and in modern warfare for being a good killing machine,,,,,it was better to have your son rape another women t han have another womens son rape you----

I think that those time are finally behind us---some of it lingers but ,,,,,,,I agree with all that you say. Anthropology I think gives us some of the answers--not all but thru it ---it can be understood much better in order to stop it----the criminal rapest will always'''have to be cought and put away....there are some situations I believe that the death penalty is and should be melted out..

Just remember.......your insecurities are every bit as good as everyone else's........

But long ago,( many, if not most anthropolgist agree) women were in charge of things. Life came from women, and until men finally figured out their role in that process, women were the leaders. Women need protection of men FROM OTHER MEN.

Melted==meted out--that is

gonna give u another joke if this gets t oo serious-----but I won't shy away from your questions---I won't defend anything---just , what I might think of it all-

Yes women needed protection from other men----and also to fight that sabre tooth tiger-----and to endure weather that they could not---it has been a partnership-----up until the first fuckin----polotician, and the first holier t han thou priest......and when power made slave out of some others ---they did not care what sex that you belonged to,,,they enslave them all man woman and child ---it is all about power,,

But why are men so afraid of women?

Cos they know--down deep that woman are the better sex---it is that simple----a man can't give birth,,is one thing that comes to mnd----I think that you are asking those questions in a way that is argumentative,,,not from me but in general-------gonna visit this subject again with you---after I read again what I am trying to say-----ok cos I think that it is important to you,,,,,and it is important period

I mean, now that men cannot kick women around to make themselves feel manly, is there going to be an increase in animal cruelty? Are these men (I'm not talking about all men) going to go home and beat the dog because he was one-uped by a woman at work?

Rosie ----maybe I haven't been too much of a help----anybody want to expound????? be my guest.

Please

"But why are men so afraid of women?"

Rosie,
I think it's because men don't understand women (ask most men, and they'll admit they don't). Men and women think so differently. Also, the following is a paragraph out of that story Pat linked and explains another facet of it:

'But then, because men tend to bottle their emotions, they instinctively fake the confidence they once felt. This exacerbates the problem many times over, because it makes it harder for men to ask for help or for others to see that they need support.'

Also, you could be right about the animal cruelty. Because animal cruelty is just a sign of something much worse. But you say men can't kick around women anymore to make themselves feel manly, but I'd say that many men still do.

Rosie-----evolution also has it's say in all of this----so does economics,,,etc,,,, I once read---heard?---that city parks were put (land ) aside so that the domestic violence could be reduced------it turns out that in the summer months the wife beatings would go up ,,cos of the heat ,,so they built them a park where they could go and relax,,,,,,why do you think that women like our Patsi got involved in all of this---and does not back off whenever she hears the tiniest bit of slander towards women----she has been on the front lines of it all,,, and can tell you---it's all about power---not so much fear

Yeah, they do. but it's not as socially acceptible anymore. Why does competing with women suck the confidence out of men? I'm sorry I'm going off, but I'm one of those three-out-of-five women, if you know what I mean. 25 yrs later and I'm still trying to understand 'why'.

"Why does competing with women suck the confidence out of men?"

The only thing I can think of is that guy never had any confidence to begin with. So he's looking for someone that he can be better than to help boost his own self worth. imo

according to advertising, one person's insecurities are money in the bank.......

but all seriousness aside, how can you lump all men or all women into one simple statement which invariably holds true......?

Why are men so afraid of women? They aren't, except for maybe some.....afraid of maybe some women....and the reasons would all be unique to each case.......

But why are all women so ..........ah, never mind......

Rosie, are you talking about abuse?

Chole -----yes they do bottle it up----and yes they do and hide true that they have ----ET told me that he thought I was a gay man---and thats ok---but most men, would have their manhood challenged by such a remark----and in a mans world showing too much of your maternal side is not excepted-----they don't know that they have these types of emotions------once again---religion plays a large part in all of this----I have a wonderful nephew with 3 doughters,,,,,he was and is very happy aobut them...but he wanted a little boy----they gave up on one,,,,,but them she got pregnant again,,,,and this time it was a little boy---he is now about 4 months old----he is so afraid that the girls toys , clothes , etc will influence him and his masculinity that he forbids them anywhere near him____he is a very loving man----but the bible tells him that----no fucking gays allowed------he is very inteligent and so is his wife---big time accountant (cpa) masters etc----but very stupid with religion-----

sorry for all the swering---but I also have four sisters that were put thru hell----and some of the husbands needed a time in the hospital when they dared to touch one of them---all is forgiven now ---but it came from that good book,

"...and the reasons would all be unique to each case......."

Always. But sometimes generalizing helps to get some kind of grip on what's going on. We can't always understand everyone's psychology.

Uh-uh, Sturg-I clarified that I wasn't talking about all men. I was talking in generalizations. But, sad to say, there are steriotypes for a reason. I was watching a show just the other day that said that the agression center in womens brains are bigger than in men's, and that gives them more room to process their feelings, while with men, because it is smaller, there basically isn't enough room to think about it so much, so they tend to act more quickly on their agressivness. But, this does not change the fact that we are thinking, reasoning beings that have a choice on our actions.

I agree about the religion thing Solar.

Chole-3 out of 5 women have been raped or sexually abused. I was kidnapped and forcibly raped. When they say never give a stranger a ride... boy do they mean it. I gave a hitchhiker a ride.

Sturg ---I think that you are right about lumping all men to something and all the rest of you statement----that is why I chose not to defend Men---but to understand from where it comes from----there is no defending what is wrong--but ,,,,

But why are men so afraid of women?

Why does competing with women suck the confidence out of men?

Posted by: rosiethecat | December 7, 2008 9:21 PM

sorry.....it's still "some men---some women" and most generalizations are largely pointless (to me)

any specifics?

"the agression center in womens brains are bigger than in men's, and that gives them more room to process their feelings"

Couldn't that be because women's brains have evolved like that because they are more emotional and tend to express their feelings more?

Rosie--you don't know how much that angers me---wish i could give you a hug.

"I was kidnapped and forcibly raped."

That guys was a sicko Rosie. And there's plenty of them out there. You're right about that hitch hiking thing. But when you're young and inexperienced, you didn't know any better. I'm sorry to hear you've had to deal with that memory.

But that weirdo was like other men.

"-wish i could give you a hug."

me too Rosie.

was = wasn't, wasn't like other men

Thanks for the support everyone. Sorry I soured the mood. That's why I don't worry to much about 'sexism' and sexist comments. There are worse things out there.
Brain-What is the movie about?

You can't sour the mood with honesty. That kind of honest is very generous.

Rosie------you are never going to get over it completely ---but , i would look at all the good men do also---i think that it will show the diff---from that animal-----

"I scare easily"

sometimes that's what keeps you safe.

Rosie, Are there a lot of nice theatres (the new modern ones, like the ones with 16 theatres or more and digital sound etc.)
How long have you lived there?

I forgot to say "in Alaska"

Rosie----there is a small chapter in a book that is called the----savage male---going to post it starting tomorrow ,

But I scare easily. That's what sucks the most, being afraid.

Take some self defense training----get a small hand gun---the fear is real and needs to be confronted with a solution---but most of all just stay positive,,,but with the ability to kick a little stupid male ass,when, and if you have to.----at age what was that 40---you have a lot of living to do

I know I know u r 45 with long thick dark beutIIIfull hair

Solar-carrying weapons is a symptom, not a solution. I'm a lot smarter in my actions. I think that is what is safest. Precautions.
Chloe-yeah, we have several muti-plexes and one 16 plex. I've live up here for 10 yrs now. One of the reasons I moved so far away was HE was due out of prison. But that's just one reason. It's very beautiful out here. Right now it's warm, only about 35 degrees and is wanting to snow. The sky turns red and very light when it's going to snow. We have a water park and pretty much everything that a city of the same size would have in the lower 48.

Chole -----said

"You can't sour the mood with honesty. That kind of honest is very generous."

And I will add----very---- BRAVE-----!!!!!!

No Rosie----give me that face book link

Alaska sounds beautiful. I hate being cold though. 60 is cold to me. I'm a wimp.

And Rosie, I agree so much with what you said earlier about women needing protection of men from other men. For some reason, I've always know what a dangerous world it is, and I don't think men can understand that as well as women do. I've never thought of carrying a gun or anything like that, but always made sure I didn't put myself in dangerous situations.

Solar, you're right. I should have said 'brave'.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1541555643&ref=profile
Are you finally going to join? ET and Chef Sheila will be happy! They've been wanting you to join forever.

"-I also have a small(very small) guest house. Anytime any of my TM friends want to come and experience the wonders of this great state are more than welcome to stay fee-free with me."

There's that trusting nature of yours, peeking through. :)

we r still thinking alike---ilike :-)

We must share brain waves.

Nite everyone.

Broe v Reed‏

"James Broe and 11 other Washington voters have filed in Washington’s Supreme Court to have the votes cast for Senator Obama set aside, because he failed to establish that he was even an American citizen running under his own name at the time of the election, let alone a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution. Unlike other cases that have been dismissed for lack of standing, these plaintiffs have standing under a unique Washington statute that allows any registered voter to challenge the election of someone who, at the time of the election, was ineligible to hold the office.

The Secretary of State’s office has already admitted it did nothing to determine Senator Obama’s eligibility, and Senator Obama hasn’t produced a single piece of evidence to prove he was born in the United States that would establish his eligibility ..."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/obama-birth-cer.html

RR -
Kevin has turned into an old lion, but he's still got most of his teeth.
My favorite line today was :
" They keep giving transfusions, and refuse to do the surgery. "

RR -
In Depth has always been cool , going into where writers work, and how each one does it. Most seem to have a pile system.
It's never the usual call in crowd either. Caller questions are always pretty good.
He had a big shiny Mac .

Americans drove 4.4 percent less, or almost 11 billion fewer miles, in September compared with September 2007, the 11th straight month of declining driving, according to the Federal Highway Administration.
---------------
New Ridership Record Shows U.S. Still Lured to Mass Transit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/07/AR2008120702792.html

From the transit story -
" Even after fares rose to $1.25 in the spring, Lansing residents voted last month to increase property taxes to boost transit funding.

Bus and rail officials say support for transit goes beyond ridership. On Election Day, voters passed 25 of 33 ballot initiatives to increase local and state taxes for public transportation. The communities included Jonesboro, Ark., Aspen, Colo., Greensboro, N.C. and Los Angeles. "

Whale Wars -

TOKYO (AFP) – Anti-whaling activists will be arrested if they forcibly interrupt Japan's whale hunting in the Antarctic Ocean, a report said Saturday.

The fisheries agency and justice ministry made the decision as a boat belonging to the US-based Sea Shepherd Conservation Society set sail from Australia in a bid to disrupt the Japanese whaling fleet, the Sankei Shimbun said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081206/ts_afp/environmentwhalingjapan;_ylt=AnnLgwOw8dDELBD3vVbbjRQPLBIF

Recycling goes from boom to bust as economy stalls -

Cardboard that sold for about $135 a ton in September is now going for $35 a ton. Plastic bottles have fallen from 25 cents to 2 cents a pound. Aluminum cans dropped nearly half to about 40 cents a pound, and scrap metal tumbled from $525 a gross ton to about $100.

"It's never gone from so good to so bad so fast," said Marty Davis, president of Midland Davis Corp. in Pekin, Ill., who has been in the recycling business since 1975.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_bi_ge/recycling_bust

CHICAGO – Tribune Co., owner of the Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune, other newspapers and the Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field, has hired financial advisers ahead of a possible filing for bankruptcy-court protection, according to reports on Sunday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_bi_ge/tribune

pertinaciousness

craig, the word for the next 23 days. hang in there, gracious host.

Caroline Kennedy. Hmmm..Whatever happened to the Obama-ite's rallying cry of "No More Dynasties!"

Short memories.