Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Wall Street headed for mixed start - Highlights:
* Companies reporting earnings on Friday
* U.S. non-farm payrolls data for November is due ....(8:30 a.m. EST).
* Data on U.S. consumer credit for October is due....(3 p.m. EST).
* Shares in General Motors (GM.N) (GM.F) and Ford Motor co (F.N) (F.F)..down..
* Oil was steady around $44, near its lowest level in almost four years...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081205/bs_nm/us_markets_stocks

World markets mostly down ahead of US jobs report
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_bi_ge/world_markets

GM CEO Outlines Company's Plans
".... Wagoner told Norris that his company needs up to $4 billion by the end of this month.

...Wagoner said that GM would pay back the loan in full by 2012 and highlighted the company's other cost-cutting measures, including his own reduced compensation. He told Norris that he had accepted a salary of $1 a year, with no cash bonus."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97826113

chloe, your posts this am made me think of streisand's
melancholic rendition of "happy days are here again"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS9FJwMoJaM&feature=related

Ha, Pat. I was thinking of something more like this. :)

Your cares and troubles are gone
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPiNIzSM3RQ

this link posted last night underscores my prior musing whether tweety started the campaign run rumor in order to cover up possible shut down of msnbc gig
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16218.html

Morning..... First time home in the AM in almost two weeks !!

Happy Days are here again - Hey I was never Sad...

How about the more things change - the more they stay the same.....

Barack is finishing his Change.....

Shelby's Stupidity Yesterday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/04/AR2008120403715.html

Pat, When I was still watching Mathews during the primary, I remember sensing that he really did love Pennsylvania (and of course it's obvious how much he loves politics). He has a lot of connections there, and I think he thinks that he can really make a difference (or at least wants to give it a try).

I don't really blame him for keeping a foot in one door, while deciding what to do with the other foot. I always recommend that when considering a change.

If he gets the go ahead from those advising him, I think he'll do it. And, of course, I think he's interesting in seeing what NBC offerings him regarding his contract renewal.....

...the world keeps turning.

Ugh Shelby. When he was a Democratic Congressman from Alabama he was on the House Energy and Commerce Committee and striving toward the Senate. The committee was marking up some bill that dealt with sugar. Voting one way would have helped the sugar beet people and the voting the other way would have helped the sugar cane people. His staff was trying to explain a nuance int he amendment and Shelby waved her off. He just looked down at her and said, "I don't care about all that. Just tell me: Which side is the money on?"

Gross. It's been 20 years and I've never forgotten that exchange.

"Happy Days are here again - Hey I was never Sad"

Nor I Ping. But you said it yourself: "How about the more things change - the more they stay the same" Around and around we go.

Bet your family is glad to have you home. :)

I think Chris Matthews run in PA is being received about as well as Terry McAuliff's run in Virginia.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10269

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/18990

They announced at work last night that they will be laying off 100 people as of Jan. 5th. They will ask for volunteers at first and then they will have involuntary layoffs until they reach a total of 100 people. These will be long term layoffs. I'm pretty safe. I think there are at least 200 people below me senority-wise. However, I work directly with two guys who would be laid off for certain as far as I know. Although one of the guys said he wanted to be laid off.

Hell, even Lynn Swann couldn't win in PA and he played for the Pittsburgh Steelers!

Once more, with feeling. AIG bailout + GM/AIG credit default swaps + GM bailout = double-dipping. Is my equation incorrect?

It's better if no more jobs are lost, but I really don't get this. I must be way off base because I don't hear it as part of the discussion.

Your morning I T help desk: Facebook virus alert

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20081205/tc_nm/us_facebook_virus

"They announced at work last night that they will be laying off 100 people as of Jan. 5th."

Did they also say 'Happy Holidays'.

Glad to hear your job is safe Corey.

Thought for the day :
" What`s the most popular form of birth control? The headache. "

1839 George Armstrong Custer Major General (Union volunteers, of Little Big Horn fame), died in 1876
1890 Fritz Lang Germany, director (M, Metropolis)

1349 500 Jews are massacred at Nuremberg in Black death riots
1484 Innocent VIII issued his famous "Witch Bull," ordering an inquisition to systematically discover, torture and execute witches throughout Europe. It led to the ease with which witchcraft was charged and punished, even in the American colonies two centuries later.
1848 President Polk triggers Gold Rush of '49, confirms California gold discovery
1893 1st electric car (built in Toronto) could go 15 miles between charges
1945 "Lost Squadron" crashes east of Florida (Bermuda Triangle)
1952 London smog of 1952 - worst smog in London ever, 4,000+ die

It was a surprise meeting last night. Those are never good.

"I don't care about all that. Just tell me: Which side is the money on?"

Alicia.... sounds like a typical politician's mantra to me....

Chloe.... I don't really get all this gloom and doom stuff either.... so far I've seen no evidence of an economic meltdown in my little corner of this world.... I heard someone on NPR yesterday say that except for certain pockets of this country, the news shows were overblowing it....

Corey.... it seems that your corner unfortunately is one of those pockets....
hope you are safe..... and stay safe....

A little romance for this morning...45 seconds in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPR6wC1T4zQ

The electric car is 105 years old.

" It was a surprise meeting last night. Those are never good."

Amen -

Sorry, the electric car is 115 years old.

I guess that answers the question: Which came first? John McCain or the electric guitar?

Car! Car! Dammit!

"It's better if no more jobs are lost, but I really don't get this."

I don't know Blue. It seems to me that the real question is whether or not the country will benefit from GM staying afloat. (?) Maybe I'm just sentimental....they've been around a long time, and it does seem that they are trying to do the right things now.

"electric guitar?"

Don't you hate it, when that happens..:)

Oregon Bride-to-Be Swept Out To Sea -

A bride-to-be was swept out to sea by a sneaker wave during what was suppose to have been a romantic moment at ‘Proposal Rock’ on the Oregon Coast.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2509

That's what I get for trying to tell jokes after being up all night! LOL!

wiki: electric guitar:

Early years

Sketch of Rickenbacker "frying pan" lap steel from 1934 patent application.Electric guitars were originally designed by an assortment of luthiers, guitar makers, electronics enthusiasts, and instrument manufacturers. Guitar innovator Les Paul experimented with microphones attached to guitars.Some of the earliest electric guitars adapted hollow bodied acoustic instruments and used tungsten pickups. This type of guitar was manufactured beginning in 1932 by Electro String Instrument Corporation in Los Santos under the direction of Adolph Rickenbacher and George Beauchamp. Their first design was built by Harry Watson, a craftsman who worked for the Electro String Company. This new guitar which the company called "Rickenbacker" would be the first of its kind.

The earliest documented performance with an electrically amplified guitar was in 1932, by guitarist and bandleader Gage Brewer. The Wichita, Kansas-based musician had obtained two guitars, an Electric Hawaiian A-25 (Fry-pan, lap-steel) and a standard Electric Spanish from his friend George Beauchamp of Los Angeles, California. Brewer publicized his new instruments in an article in the Wichita Beacon, October 2, 1932 and through performances that month.

"Makers of electric cars want federal money, too"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/04/BUCF14I4VO.DTL

RR -- Typical politician mantra? Perhaps, I just never heard it put so blatently open. Actually most of the pols I know are more concerned about the districts, their hometown businesses, their constituents. Most of the pols I know are idealists who got into elective office because they wanted to make a difference and make people's lives better. But I always hung out with liberals.

Good to hear that the recession is not affecting your part of the country. In my supposedly recession-proof area just south of DC and in the heart of military contractor land we are seeing the effects. Lots of foreclosures (about 13% in my neighborhood), job losses, food stamps way up, WIC not being able to serve all needy mothers and babies, food bank shelves empty. Aside from federal workers, building and construction industry supplied most of the good-paying jobs around here -- that's now ground to a halt and we're seeing the effects. The military and federal workers are keeping the some of the stores open, but a lot of the small stores have closed. We're worried about keeping Home Depot and Lowes open.

I can always count on Sturge to make me feel better. By the way, I read last night's thread and I found out there will be continual mocking happening here. You all have been forewarned.

BMW sales plunge, Honda quits Formula One

FRANKFURT/TOKYO (Reuters) - Global sales at BMW, the world's top premium carmaker, plunged by a quarter in November, and Honda backed out of Formula One racing on Friday as the economic downturn exacted a mounting toll on automakers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/05/AR2008120500731.html

"I found out there will be continual mocking happening here."

Ha Corey...so what's new?

four warned are four-armed......

(ie: John McCain may have come first........but i cant remember when he was borned)

"I don't care about all that. Just tell me: Which side is the money on?"

That sums Shelby up, huh, Alicia? What an a-hole.

" .................... there will be continual mocking happening here. "

Amen -

Chloe, here's one idea:

"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part." - Otter in Animal House

mockingbird:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0URYw27qd0

reefa

"four warned are four-armed...."

Sturge, How about you take defensive and I'll take offensive, when the need arrives.

somebody's got to tell champ about this
"uncontrolled release of one tonne of helium gas" damaged supercollider innards
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7766334.stm

"Oregon Bride-to-Be Swept Out To Sea -"

Damn! C-Bob -- I've never heard of a sneaker wave....

" ....... 26.2 percent drop at the flagship BMW brand, it said. "

The story arc of late paint's the automotive industry as having just 3 sick members.
Watch what Germany does with BMW and Benz ...... They're not going to let them slip away. The Japanese won't let their car makers fold either.

"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."

Ha, Corey,
That sounds like a ready made opening for me. I'm always doing that anyway. :)

I've heard of sneaker grooms............

Alicia.... I know most politicians actually try to do the right things..... I'm just being a bit snarky this morning.....

and there is evidence of a slowdown around here..... my objection is to words such as "meltdown" or "depression"......

most of us on this blog are baby boomers and we've all lived through multiple recessions..... we'll live through this one.....

IMO.... if we keep using words such as up above..... we will turn it into a reality.....

Patsi -

It's the first sign you see on most Oregon Beaches -
WARNING SNEAKER WAVES !

just call them "that republican time"

"most of us on this blog are baby boomers and we've all lived through multiple recessions..... we'll live through this one.....

IMO.... if we keep using words such as up above..... we will turn it into a reality....."

The experts all say the same things you're saying Renee.
Attitude is important in handling and correcting this situation. It's definitely not hopeless. And no one benefits by thinking so.

Last month the Rocky Mountain News' managing editor swept through the newsroom to assure employees that no layoffs were planned.

So the word shock is probably an understatement to describe the mood in the newsroom Thursday, when the Rocky's owner announced that it was putting the newspaper up for sale.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/04/staffers-greet-sale-news-cynicism-tears/
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Another surprise meeting

If you're self-employed you find yourself often having surprise meetings with yourself......

Finding a buyer for the Rocky Mountain News will be extremely difficult, experts said Thursday.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/05/rocky-might-prove-a-hard-sale/

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The paper reporting on it's own death.

Gives a whole new meaning to the question:

Would you like to buy a paper?

sturg....
yeah.... I had a surprise meeting with myself yesterday about all the time I was spending on this machine.......

and as you can see....... it did a lot of good too.....

I think I'll have another meetin'.....

" If you're self-employed you find yourself often having surprise meetings with yourself...... "

I never went to those things. They were boring, nothing ever got done, and I always served hazelnut coffee.

". I had a surprise meeting with myself yesterday about all the time I was spending on this machine...."

I have that same meeting with myself everyday. Time for me to start asking some serious questions of myself.

"I never went to those things. They were boring, nothing ever got done, and I always served hazelnut coffee. "

LOL CBob

I hate hazelnut coffee.

A study released in February by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego said there's a 50 percent chance that Lake Mead, which straddles the Arizona-Nevada state line, could run dry by 2021. ........................

It's time to consider a "new normal" for shrinking water supplies in the Colorado River basin, Wegner said. That will require a sweeping re-evaluation of allocations, use, conservation, dams and legal obligations, he said.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1501ap_colorado_river.html
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There it is kids, the phrase of the future -
"new normal"

the worst is a "low-level" hazelnut coffee where someone (no one knows) dumped just a bit of remainder from a bag into the main coffee bag.....

stealth hazelnut

Employers cut 533K jobs in Nov., most in 34 years -

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_financial_meltdown.html?source=mypi

Bipartisanship -
We all hate hazel coffee ?
It's a beginning .

"the worst is a "low-level" hazelnut coffee where someone (no one knows) dumped just a bit of remainder from a bag into the main coffee bag.....

stealth hazelnut"

Oh no, now you've really got me laughing.
I have to get some work done. bye :)

"Bipartisanship -
We all hate hazel coffee ?
It's a beginning ."

ok, one last laugh.....you gotta take what you can get.

To save time you grind at the supermarket instead of at home ... the person before you bought Hazelnut ...

Kamikazi Hazelnut

Solar a Bust in Spain
Installers of solar energy systems are trying to unload megawatts worth of panels cheaply after buying too many at high prices earlier this year.

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/solar-a-bust-in-spain--5297.html

pirate fix
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/world/europe/06pirate.html?hp

A link I posted last night, one I think the morning crowd would find interesting.
It is an article written by Robert Gates and published in Foreign Affairs. It is his vision of the direction the military and the US projection of military power need to go. Given the lead time needed for such article I assume it was his farewell statement.
He comes across as a realist and as a Petraeus convert and disciple
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20090101faessay88103/robert-m-gates/how-to-reprogram-the-pentagon.html

Jack

from article linked above "rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 assault rifles -- familiar pirate weapons" found... whatever happened to cutlasses?

Ditto
on the hazelnut or any flavored coffee.

Although once in a great while I will sprinkle a bit of cinnamon on top of the cup. But never brew it.

Jack

"There it is kids, the phrase of the future -
"new normal"

Indeed!!!

PS -- I am so glad to know that I am not alone in my dislike of hazelnut flavored coffee.....

meeting didn't work...... I'm back....

yup..... hazelnut coffee hater here.....

CBob....
4 yrs ago, Rick took me to Las Vegas for my 50th birthday..... the best part was renting a car and seeing the surrounding landscape..... favorite place was Red Rock Canyon..... LOVED the 800 yr old handprints....

of course we went to see Hoover Dam and Lake Mead...... upon entering the park, a ranger hands you a map..... it showed what looked like a large and interesting marina on one side of the lake, so we drove all the way out there to take a look..... the whole place was nothing but dried mud and abandoned houses..... it was really eerie looking at this huge dock completely high and dry and the lake about 100 ft away....

ok.... must get back to work..... must get back to work.....

re coffee. and a little drop of jamieson's

photo of pirates off the coast of Africa or somewhere:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/mahoganyfrog/pirates.jpg

"... whatever happened to cutlasses? "

Between patd bringing up cutlasses, and C=Bob mentioning the Rocky Mountain News....takes me back to the time my old friend Mike Howard, an heir to Scripps-Howard and then-running the RMN, went a little nuts and was found running around Larimer Square brandishing a cutlass. Or maybe a machete...something big and sharp anyway. He went away for a rest soon thereafter.

"and a little drop of jamieson's"

Isn't it a little early for that?:)

I do have to do a little work today.

Jack

"re coffee. and a little drop of jamieson's"

My new favorite for the holidays: Sugar Cookie Eggnog and rum....

Don't worry be happy....

(12-05) 04:00 PST Washington --

Happiness is contagious, spreading among friends, neighbors, siblings and spouses like the flu, according to a large study that for the first time shows how emotion can ripple through clusters of people who might not even know each other.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/05/MNGA14IDMM.DTL&tsp=1

Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
----Leo Tolstoy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y168CNQyO7g

Boing Boing - A directory of wonderful things
Adventurous teabag danglers

http://boingboing.hexten.net/2008/12/04/adventurous-teabag-d.html

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The job loss report came in on the down side of everybodies estimates. 500,000. With previous months revised downward. over 2 million jobs lost.

So yea lets just shut down the US auto industry, the Chinese will be glad to pick up the slack.

Are things starting to look familiar?
New Orleans, Iraq and the list of total screwups go on.

Jack

Seen here is a 2700-year-old stash of marijuana, found in a Gobi Desert grave near Turpan, China. Ethan Russo, a visiting professor at the Chinese Acadmy of Scineces, and his colleagues report the discovery in the current issue of the Journal of Experimental Botany.

http://boingboing.hexten.net/2008/12/04/marijuana-stash-from.html

Jack,
Come on....don't let it get you down....as long as you don't rely on gov't for anything you are fine. Just keep doing quality work....you'll be fine....:)

Craig

It looks like the market disagrees with your gloomy assessment on the progress with the auto bailout. Ford and GM are moving upward this morning, after taking a bath yesterday.
Give them 15 min though and they may change their minds.

Jack

The bodies of 13 people have been found on a dirt road in Mexico's Sinaloa state, home to one of the country's most violent drug cartels.

The victims' hands were bound and all had been shot. Most were teenagers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7766553.stm

Sturg,
Where can I arrange for the priates to board.....laughs

Jax

Government money is the only bright spot around here. The wife works for a large engineering/architecture firm. Her job is to go out and get that goverment money. They are optimistic about the companies future.
Roads are being built levies being raised ect. for now anyway. They are very balanced in their work between fed, state, local and private.
One of their rapidly expanding business is over seas. It seems that many of the growing economies are investing a lot of money in healthcare and are building bright shiney new hospitals.

Ahhh ..... Commander Shears is in the jungle again with those crazy Brits from Force Three-One-Six.
Best line :

"Be happy in your work."

Col. Saito
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This guy used to attend my meetings with myself.
I hated it when he crashed the meeting.

OK Solar.
Where are you?
Another 24 hrs and I'm reporting you to missing persons.

You too Tony.

:)

Can any of the Florida contingent shed more light on Wasserman Schultz? This article was news to me, but then, I haven't really been following her career path....

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-debbie-wasserman-schultz-even-worse.html

You folks have no idea how I enjoyed looking at a helper, and in my best Japanese accent would utter those words.

"Be happy in your work."

You use it when things are really shitty, people are tried, you're bustin' your hump, and you look right in the other person's eye when you deliver the line.

Bingo, you're in a prison camp in the movies, with Obi-Wan-Kenobi & William Holden.

Colonel Saito: Do you know what will happen to me if the bridge is not built on time?
Colonel Nicholson: I haven't the foggiest.
Colonel Saito: I'll have to kill myself. What would you do if you were me?
Colonel Nicholson: I suppose if I were you... I'd have to kill myself.
Colonel Nicholson: [raising the glass of scotch he previously declined] Cheers!

Colonel Saito: All work and no play make Jack a dull boy.

Caroline Kennedy in the Senate would be a big problem for Mr. TV -- Chuck Schumer....

The Bridge on the River Kwai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzWRlTgEB5Q

Jack,
I've consciously tried to avoid government work as much as possible... I'm down to less than 3% of gross.
I've just been given a bid for several thousand tons of USAID cargo for next month.....I'll probably pass....

Chuck Schumer....
Hillary Clinton didn't phase him.
There's a long list of people who should retire, and Chuck is floating in the top half of that list.

Colonel Bogey March - Mitc Miller & His Orchestra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmd09lW9d-8

"There's a long list of people who should retire, and Chuck is floating in the top half of that list."

ROFL!

Music for self starters , put this on, and begin your work. Nobody can start slow with is on.

The Magnificent Seven - Elmer Bernstein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KAjt7v4t4

Vin: It took me a long, long time to learn my elbow from a hot rock.

In case anyone's a qt. low on Robert Plant & Allison Krauss -

Fortune Teller -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RLjMmY5Q8
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Best cover of this song ever.

mornin' all.

traveling - depo break. Things seem pretty congenial here today. Anyone here I can piss off?

LOL

OK, serious stuff. Bush economy now the worst since BEFORE Carter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/business/economy/06jobs.html?_r=1&hp

Legacy? Oh god, I think I just hurt myself laughing - itf only it weren't so frickin' tragic for those affected.

"Dear Chris Matthews: Please run for U.S. Senate"

"I don't care if you win or lose. I don't even give a hoot about your beliefs, policies or campaign tactics. I don't care if you're a regular churchgoer, either. I simply want you to get out there on the stump -- and create news for the excitement-starved media. "

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Chris-Matthews-please-run-US/story.aspx?guid=%7B0E067453%2D7FF7%2D40F3%2DB298%2DFE07053313AA%7D

Jack

SCREAMIN' JAY HAWKINS - I Put A Spell On You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR81PGlBeqE

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In Memory of all those witches Pope Innocent VIII is responsible for.

I may not like hazelnut coffee, but I love me some :

Mr. Skin by Spirit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzdnz82TSZw

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I Got A Line On You by Spirit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7qUw3cuYc

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Getting work done in bits and pieces today -- trying to fight a flu bug and prepare for a class tomorrow.

RR -- I agree about using self-fulfilling prophecy angle of recession and how the media is pumping the economy story. I'm a boomer too and I remember some of the recessions you're talking about. This one just feels close to home, maybe it's because of my job working with people who have been affected by it, and having friends who have lost their jobs and or their homes maybe it's just Bush fatigue.

Patsi -- I was not at all surprised when Shelby switched to the GOP after he was elected to the Senate as a DEM, using the DEMs money and support, so he could be in GOP at the time.

KGC. . . NPR had a report about the "Happy" study and ended by saying there's hasn't been one looking to see if unhappiness affects the network similarly. It should I would guess.

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- General Motors Corp.
GM 3.95, -0.16, -3.9%) will lay off about 2,000 more factory workers in early 2009 because of a continued decline in U.S. auto sales, the Associated Press reported Friday, citing a company spokesman. GM plans to lay off 890 workers at the Lordstown, Ohio, plant, cut 390 jobs at Orion Township, Mich. plant, and another 700 workers at Oshawa, Ontario factory in February, spokesman Chris Lee told the news agency. Cars produced at these plants include Chevrolet Cobalt, Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet Impala and Pontiac G5 and G6 models, the AP reported.
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It's a penny stock now, bouncing around at the bottom.

What in the heck is OJ's attorney going on and on about the Civil War for? Is he trying to go for an incompetent counsel appeal?

~Alicia
who can't stand hazelnut coffee and rather likes her coffee the way nature intended it -- dark roasted sans frou-frou

NY NOW endorses Rep. Carolyn Maloney to take Hillary's Senate seat. I like Carolyn Maloney, why not her?

This not your mother's downturn folks. This is the world rolling over.

We are talking about the Chinese buying up the scraps of General Motors, Ford & Chrysler ............ with our paper., and at pennies on the dollar .

Never mind C-Bob == we've got to be contagiously happy.

Rez

Good point. .....and probably true.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179502

I hate Mitch Miller LOL

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179594

Patsi -- Did you see the code in that article? "Harridan, power-grasping, self-serving." The writer never said how DWS undermined the DEM candidacies of the three GOPs. Sounds like sour grapes from one or all of those losing campaigns that think DWS didn't do enough to put them in the winning column. Could be that those seats were never winnable, and why throw resources toward races that would not produce no matter who was running? .

I understand the mental component to all this. And I agreed with it.

But the list of stuff that's got "Record Breaking" attached to it these days, well there are other forces at work here. Everybody's chickens are in the air flying everywhere, all headed home to roost.

The Rocky joins a crowded marketplace. Cox Enterprises Inc. is trying to sell its newspapers in Texas, North Carolina and Colorado. Landmark Communications Inc. said in January it wanted to sell nine daily newspapers but has found that buyers are having trouble getting loans amid the credit crisis.

http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=105249

The Rocky Mountain News is the oldest business in Colorado.
April 23, 1859:
" A cheer went up along Cherry Creek in the night. William Newton Byers, 28, and a crew of three printers cranked out the first edition of the Rocky Mountain News, beating its very first competitor, The Cherry Creek Pioneer, to the streets of Denver by 20 minutes.

Colorado had its first newspaper.

On April 23, 2009, the Rocky will mark its 150th birthday. "

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oct/30/april-23-1859-rolling-out-rich-history/

DENVER - The publisher of the Denver Post claims the owner of the Rocky Mountain News said the paper would be closed "as soon as practical," belying hopes that a buyer for the Rocky will be found.

http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=105249

I ate a lot of eggs reading the Rocky Mountain News .

Cbob

Lets see, manufacturing is in the tank, residential construction with comercial soon to follow.

the service sector (the great growth story) is on life support.
Retail except for Walmart, down 10-15%

What's left ?

I here liquidators and auctioneers are doing a booming business.
I can see it now. Acres of chevys gone to the highest bidder.

Jack

FINALLY THAT BASTARD O.J. SIMPSON will spend YEARS behind bars!

15 year fixed sentence minimum for O.J. Simpson... Maybe he will finally be a man and confess what he did to Nicole.

BTW

everything I listed above is why I'm optimistic. When everybody is doom and gloom it is time to buy in. Lot of people out there selling piggy sows(or their productive capital) and getting out of the business.

Jack

Another term getting a lot of air play :
"upside down"

As in -

" The Formula One world has been turned upside down by Honda's decision to pull out of the sport effective immediately. "

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20081205/FREE/812059997
----------------------------
Honda will give the thing to you, if you prove you can take care of it.

Jack -
Just today you can pick-up a newspaper and a formula one racing team for " free" .

O.J. goes to prison .......... More of those chickens folks, more of those chickens.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179645

Cbob

That is like a free shetland pony,
all it does is stand around, look ugly and eat

At least the pony can be made into dog food.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179639

It is the least I deserve, btw was that an attempt to insult?

lol

Jack

"That is like a free Shetland pony,
all it does is stand around, look ugly and eat"

Ah, come on Jack. You know those ponies are cute. :)
(and I'm going to completely ignore the dog food remark).

Colorado Bob,
Since you found the link below, how about finding that great Gold and Red bud from the 70's?
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179582

Formula One? What's next, NASCAR? Broadway shows are closing; retailers are wilting on the vine. We don't need more lay-offs in the auto industry and all of the industries it supports, but if the gov't has shored up AIG, why wouldn't GM's credit-default swaps bail them out? Why are they asking for more money from the gov't? I've got to be missing something. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Chloe

You never had a shetland as a child

Shetlands are meanest most evil. And they khow where every thorn bush in the pasture is. They will drag you under them.

Now that I think about it your right, being made into dogfood is too good for them.

Jack

"GM's credit-default swaps bail them out"

Blue

As I understand it
GM doesn't get that money, the folks who own GM bonds and bought a swap do.

That means when GM defaults on their debt, through AIG, we still pay, so we might as well pay up front avoid the middle man.

Jack

Now CNN writes this about O.J...

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- A Las Vegas judge sentenced fallen gridiron great O.J. Simpson to at least 15 years in prison for leading an armed hotel room confrontation over sports memorabilia in 2007.

A pre-sentencing report recommends an 18-year prison term for O.J. Simpson, 61.

Simpson could become eligible for parole in about nine years. Grimacing, his head cast down, Simpson was escorted from the courtroom in shackles.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/05/oj.simpson.sentencing/index.html

I am sure that Nicole's sister and the parents of Marc Goldman are going to fight to oppose any attempt to have him paroled. It's sad that it has to take another case of misconduct for any sort of prison time to be served by Mr. Simpson, but one thing is for sure... after many celebrities are acquitted of crimes, usually by star struck jurors, it is nice to see that trend broken. Not just O.J. but Boy George too...

And the world goes round...

Yeah Simpson is a real gem... Just got to the last paragraph of the article:

Although Simpson insisted in court that he meant to retrieve some items to give to the Goldmans, the judge pointed to his words, as captured on the tape: "You didn't want those items falling into the hands of the Goldmans. You made reference on the tape to them as the gold-diggers."

"If our efforts for all these years of pushing him drove him to commit armed robbery in Vegas, great!" Fred Goldman told reporters after the hearing.

"This monster is where he belongs -- behind bars."

w'jack - Thank You. I've only asked that question a half dozen times. So, now I wonder who owns GM bonds and will benefit from the auto bailout? Yeah, I guess it's better to have jobs & keep the tangential businesses and are economy going. Maybe we just look at it as a jobs program.

If the auto industry did go b'bye, would that have any effect on future manufacturing of munitions, perhaps? I guess we do need to be able to produce our own stuff and keep the factories in working order. Complete dependency on outside manufacturing or foreign-owned manufacturers could be a big concern.

"Shetlands are meanest most evil. And they khow where every thorn bush in the pasture is. They will drag you under them."

LOL. No., but I've seen some pretty unruly horses.

"I ate a lot of eggs reading the Rocky Mountain News ."

Same here, Bob....

Unemployment predicted to go to 8%. Of course that figure doesn't include anyone who has never worked but it looking for a job (recent graduates). It doesn't count anyone who was working for $25 an hour and now works for $10 because that is what they could get. It doesn't count anyone who has exhausted their unemployment and no longer is reflected in the numbers.

Then there are the job losses that are disguised by women and children going to work in "service" job numbers because daddy lost his job.

It's getting ugly out there.

and a little drop of jamieson's
"Isn't it a little early for that?:)"

jack, now that it's the shank of the day, here's a bit o' whiskey to warm and soothe you ... would the lot of ya also be wanting a dram or two yourselves now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EXY4oP1Do&feature=related

I took care of a friend's Shetland Pony for 10 years one week.

Mean little bastard thanked me for feeding him twice a day by kicking me every time I entered his stall.

Another time, he took off and ran wild while hitched to a pony cart full of terrified little kids who, until then, thought ponies were supposed to be cute and hayrides were supposed to be fun.

No one shed a tear when that little devil died.

"Mean little bastard thanked me for feeding him twice a day by kicking me every time I entered his stall."

Lard,
I laughed so hard reading that post of yours.
(I really love animals, even when they're bad. :))

Chole

Don't report me missing---no one will care-------onct My picture was on a milk carton -----the milk went sour----and the picture was hung on the police top ten most not wanted----I left office work cos of too much politics----i did not know that blogs were the same----but once I asked you not to go anywhere, so I won't either --- I had a dream last night about ---BEEFALO---ever hear about it?? ok ill tell you---in a little while ---long post, but don't have to tell Craig about he'll see it on his own.

i'm not a big fan of the kennedy clan, but somehow i do like this idea:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081205/D94SQ0HO0.html

Craig, I'm so relieved that you're not lost (or worse). I'll check back later for your beefalo post. :)

Craig = Solar
Sorry Craig, just saw your post.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179667

Patd

What the heck, it's 5 o'clock somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib8nH4kHjxk

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179671

It's a Kennedy, It's New York, sounds like a perfect match.

Jack

Jack

Jack ---Im with you---5 oclock-----------I used to only drink on the day's that began with a---T--- in it

Tondy,,Tuesday,Twensday,Thursday, Triday, Tadurday, and tom-- times on Tunday------hic---scues me .

See, solar, I have much higher standards than you - I only drink on days that end with a "y".

B & O (Baltimore & Ohio) Railroad Holly Tree - lighting festivities tomorrow 4-6 pm for those in the area (north of Baltimore). I used to drag my family to the holly tree every year. I miss it even if they're glad we don't live there anymore.

http://www.cecilhollytree.com/

Solar, "I'm so relieved that you're not lost (or worse). I'll check back later for your beefalo post". :)

Firday night musings --------Beffalo

A--- Cow---and a--- Buffalo= true love

About Cows----Our gang,, used to go camping at Dodgeville Minnesota, there was a farmer that had 1000-maybe—999--or 1001?:) acres, we used to rent out 5-8 A frames from him, depending on how many friends went along. On on e of the times that we went the owner asked us if we ever tasted Beefalo,,,,we had no idea what he was talking about----he explained that it was a buffalo ( bison) crossed with a cow, and that we would have a lot of fun, and find it very interesting.

We made plans to go and round up some cattle for him that he said he had in a pasture,,,told us that he wanted( a cow) number 89 ---had a tag on her ear,,,the time came to go to the round up and there were lots of people frome wis. Il, and other states---about 60-80 total,,,we were the only ones that could go out and get ole 89,,the others stayed on the camp grounds, one of my friends even dressed the part---he looked like wyatt earp--had on a cowboy hat boots and all---same guy ( I told you about) that left the drive in show, and didn't put the speakers back---well any way'sss we went out to where the cows were, and spotted her right away----everybody was making fools of them selves. trying to make the cows move,,,yelling, whistling and what not, while the farmer laughed his ass off at us.

I remember taking my hat off and waving it behind the cow, and it started moving,,,,now we were getting somewhere!,,,Sue ,my date for the weekend, was with me and waving her hands in the air, and laughing when the cow moved along,,,,well she got a little too close and the cow dumped ( pooped) one on the ground that splattered all over Sue's foot and ankle,,,she didn't know what to do,just ran around the field for a little bit and then decided to run over to the A frame to washit (hey two words in one) wash it off her, she spent the whole afternoon cleaning her self up, nothing was clean enough for her...some how it was partly my fault but ...she'll get over it,,,later on we were hugging---and I pushed her back, telling her that I did not her new perfume----smelled a little like---channel # 89---she---started to throw what ever she could find at me----started laughing, and said that I would be sorry-------I was later,,,,thats the trouble with not controlling an overdeveloped sense of humor some times!! she forgave me---after making me suffer some,,,and then :-))))))

We manged get 89 into a coral that was all fenced in at the front and rear with two buildings at either side,,,,,,,well we were all ready to go after the buffalo next,,,again the farmer started to laugh at us, said that he didn't have any frikin buffalo----the cow was going to be artificially inseminated the next day,,,,,there was a vet on the way from Tx on a plane----told us that he would be carrying the goods(frozen sperm) in an old time milk container---u know those big silver ones with the lid-----Sue by now had recovered and joined the rest of us-----boy what a fun evening with all the people from diff states----lots of music---booze, joints, and no trouble---we started to call the vet-- the Breeder,,, the breeder this the breeder that,,,we had no idea what was going to happen----he came in during the night while we partyed all night----about 10-11 olcock,,next morn-- the farmer was ring bells, making all the noise that he could to get us up;

We were all hung over from the party---but had beer in our hands already to cure us,,,once again we were the only ones that were allowed to go in the rear were the cow was,,,.the vet was there in the corral with the cow----she(the cow) was carrying on something awful---I didn't know that a cow could be so agile---she was climbing over the fence ,,--- and moved around pretty fast-----when she did calm down, the vet went and got the large 5 gallon milk can that carried the frozen seamen,,,he took out a hug syringe, and laid it aside ----He was enjoying himself at our expense,,,some of the girls, clearly embarrassed,,it had all been a lot of fun---but now it was time to get serious------and they were a little uncomfortable------My surprise,,was when the Vet took out a big plastic bag , put his hand ,his whole arm up to the shoulder and ask me to tie it for him------asked him what he was up to with this bag----another smart ass laugh, and told me that he needed that to help when he would inject the cow---said that he was going to insert his arm and the syringe in the cow----I didnt' say anything---what could you say?---by now the cow was sedated or something cos she was pretty calm now-------the vet did his thing ----the girls all looked away ----the guys –we all made stupid jokes in order to cover up our ignorance of it all--------after it was all done the vet wanter to shake hands with us and say goodby ----no one took his hand---he just laughed again and left-----lot of questions from the other campers------we embellished all the facts just to get laughs all night

The following year we had a special invitation from the farmer to come up for a special weekend--------we did -,,,the following night that we arrived he told us that we were going to all have beefalo steaks------from the calf that ol 89 had-----it was excellent ----some did not like it cos it did not taste the same as store bought steak---I liked it a lot-----tasted a little like chicken------(no just kidding) it tasted fine not salted, or any preservatives and all,,,,,,,,it was sold in some markets in Min, and Wisc,,,,but i never saw them sold anywhere else.

Chloe about getting lost----I kinda like doing it sometimes,,
I used to love going running by myself in those mountains ------ I would get lost up there, and would not find my way for a cple or hrs ---- and when I eventually did ---it was worth it-----sometimes I like to approach life this way-----get lost in something new---and once you ( you can't ask for help—gotta be on you own) find the key's to unlock the mysteries ---baaaaam--it's all clear----what a rush------like when I learned to read, and do construction blue prints, and take offs----lots out there to learn,,,,gotta find something to get lost in???---if Tony doesn't show up tonight I'll go find him :-))

well darn..not quite cocktail time here and I have to go to a meeting in a 1/2 hour....

Did Nita Lowey take herself out of the running for the senate seat?

I think Caroline Kennedy would be an interesting appointment.

Solar -- that was a great story -- what fun! After all that, I'm surprised you and Sue didn't tie the knot!

Pogo

Cheers---Im prouder than a game rooster to have a drink with Yee----------Clint East Wood ---in Roster Cogburn,,,said that line i love it,,,and mean it---thanks

Well, thankee, solar. Feelin's mutual. May make mine a double tonite - did a lot of drivin' today, and need to get over the IDIOTS they give licenses to and don't tell to move out of the inner lane if a faster car comes up behind you. Today it was MD, MA and OH drivers as the biggest offenders.

Patsi

We did -----that was my wife Judy---- I just used a fictitious name-----I guess that ole # 89 perfume ,,,was really ---a love potion # 9----fun song---how are you?honey---no no i mean,,,sweety----no no i mean----O hell never mind -----How the hell are you Witchy Woman??

oops a fictitious name to protect the innocent

Solar

LOL
Good story.

well, it's that time. Everyone have a good weekend, and

ROLL TIDE!!

Got the fruit jar out and it's full booze

Sturge
Have you ever played behind chicken wire?

Toby Keith - I Love This Bar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q85rPq1u9sc

Jack

"----O hell never mind -----How the hell are you Witchy Woman??"

Doing pretty good today...had lunch with a man I used to work for and that was great fun...hadn't seen him in a while. Plus he hired me (and paid up front) to do some writing for him....I'm always thankful to get a gig in this friggin' economy.

On a more interesting note -- I am so glad you and Sue/Judy married! When I read that story, I thought -- Damn! That's a match made in heaven -- or somewhere close!!!

Jack

I broke it down cos I wanted you to read it ---I remember you said that you don't read long post------lots of noise about all the Gov's getting $ for transportation, and infristructure ----I think it's for real----will put a lot of people to work,,,and get things moving again-----liked you explanation about how the $ circulates from biz to biz-----I call it profit and loss-----It did sound a lot like the Reagan trickle down---a little no???

Weekends here , Good God amighty

Lets get drunk and be somebody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBALTxDhTrE

Solar

The only time I skip one of your long posts is when I'm in a hurry. Then I always try to slow down and read it.

This one was a keeper IMO.

As far as the economy goes you know how it works, you've cycled through good and bad times more than once.
Have you been looking at any equipment auctions?

Jack

I'm setting here on a friday night just me and the animals

But

Come monday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0---Q97pG4

Jack

Patsi

" On a more interesting note -- I am so glad you and Sue/Judy married! When I read that story, I thought -- Damn! That's a match made in heaven -- or somewhere close!!!"

Yeah -----she has had to have a sense of humor ----once while we were waiting in line, to see a movie I got a little bored,,,and started to have a fake fight with her ----(she never acknowledged me all this time) I raised my voice and
told her that, I was getting tired of paying for the show, popcorn, sodi pop,,, and wanted to know when the hell she was going to come up with some cash----the little old lady ( think her name was Renee--or Bethy can't really member but she gave Judy 5 bucks ---Judy just told the lady that I was being me(stupid) the line started to move and I smiled at the lady, and gave her 5 buck back----only cos Judy was watching me___HA

Jack

No ---auctions for me for a while---had to help my son that got laid off---and a nephew---left me a little careful , for now-----they will allways be another great auction

My favorites are Municipal's (-they some times get as many as 10 together)--they will sell anything at huge bargain----anything at all -----it is not a personal piece of car, suv. equitment etc---so they don't care what is sells for----the trouble comes from Idiots that drive the cost up----thats when I would like to give them a big Tripitas taco right in the kisser (tripe taco---mmm good) that you were talking about,,,,,,,,and did you get a load of Surg talking Mexicalli the other day! :-))))

Up On Cripple Creek , The Band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIpfhEwlw5c

"Tripitas"

That reminds me with the cold weather It is time to go down the street and have a big bowl of menudo or pozole. The only way I will eat hominy is if a Mexican cooks it.

They are a family run restaurant with mom in the kitchen and the kids waiting table. They do hand made tortillas too. They serve the soup in this large serving bowl that must hold a quart or more.

Jack

One time I ask the girl who was waiting table what was in a couple of new tocos.
She said well one is meat from up here, pointing to under her jaw and the other is just too gross to talk about.

Jack

Solar - great story! It reminded me of a friend's story re some frat boys who played a revenge trick on some girls - got a huge jar , filled it with water, added some tadpoles, and gave it to the girls telling them it was whale sperm. Ick!

On the premise that reflected glory is better than no glory, I want to brag a little. The daughter-in-law of a friend of mine is Japanese. She told her parents when she was 10 or so that she was coming to America.

She did just that and ended up with a phd from ucla, and a husband who got his phd in chemistry at ucla.
He spent two years at the max planck institute, and now they both are associate profs at univ of minn. She, while having two kids, wrote a serious text book which has been published by Standord Univ Press.

Some of you might find the topic interesting. The title is Science for the Empire: Scientific Nationalism in Modern Japan. It's the history of the growth of science in Japan.

In the late 1800's, the Japanese threw out the feudalistic regime and brought the emperor back - his family had been cloistered for hundreds of years.
To get the people to accept the emperor they sold the idea that he was a god, backed up with mucho mythology. After a while they realized that science didn't mix with the mythology, and had to fix that since they knew they needed science.

So this book covers the years 1920-1940 and the drive to co-mingle science with their myth. This young woman is something else. Writing in her second language must have been easy for her - HA! I just read the introduction but may have to give the whole thing a go - it's history and about a topic I could never have imagined existed. It's expensive so maybe I can borrow her mother-in-law's copy.

"---Judy just told the lady that I was being me(stupid) the line started to move "

Funny!

Jack
Hand made tortillas------Damn i miss my Mom----she used to fashion little animals, with them when they came off the grill-----always made a little donkey when making mine-----wonder what the hell she meant by that---O I know----hahaha

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179591

Hey Chloe
Thanks for checking up on me! I've been keeping up here!Your comments yesterday made me laugh hysterically! I have been real busy with work and I'm real thankful especially after the jobs report.OMG,today was a day for doing windows,one client Steve lives right on the Atlantic and the other client Debbie directly on the Intercoastal Waterway and the salt is miserable!!! It was a beautiful day for it though,sunny and warm.Whats up with you?You have a lot of X-mas shopping to do?I know your family must be so excited and filled with anticipation for the new grand baby!Thanks again for being such a sweetie.I hope someday to meet you and Patsi and so many others here in a TM get together.

Solar
I want to thank you for offering to come find me! Who knows what I might be up too? Today you would have found me on the 12 floor overlooking the Atlantic doing windows and many other cleaning tasks.I have lost one client ,a construction company due to the lack of building and demands for remodeling here in Florida.I feel bad for them as they are trying to put 2 daughter's through college,lovely people.I absolutely loved your earlier post and like Patsi I'm glad you married the girl in the story,Judy is very lucky to have you and you her,your a gem, it really comes through in your stories....And may I thank you for not blowing any of that cold air down from Illinois! HA, It was sunny and near 80 today! HA, I'm off now to exercise,I have time for an hour on the Stair Stepper,i really just want to set and maybe spend some time with my special someone Vince...Later...

OMG,I have just been through typekey hell! Will they ever get it fixed????

Solar....
thank you...... thank you!....
you always make me laugh.....

I know the economy sucks...... but we can still laugh...... and eat...... and drink....

Tony..... you and Vince are an item....... congrats!

Bethy ----that sounds good---would like to here about it when you get it-----twix me and you ---we will drive em nuts with our long post---yeah that's the ticket---did you see, I mentioned you in my---6:59 post ---wanted to flush you out-:-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179704

Renee
Thanks! I have been seeing him for 6 months and it is really just getting good! I love the way we communicate and talk.Sundays have been the best,I cook and we watch the games! Wonderful!

"Solar
I want to thank you for offering to come find me! Who knows what I might be up too? Today you would have found me on the 12 floor overlooking the Atlantic doing windows and many other cleaning tasks"

Tony get DOWN from there,,,gay's are not supposed to have the ball to do that kind of stuff---especially with a kilt on hahhaha----He Vinc, say hello----you wound up with an Italiano,,,and me with a little Italiana----don't know about you but I can't tell a joke around here unless I use my hands at the same time,,,,,sometime I finish the verbal part and ---no response,,,,3 minn, later I finish the hand gesture part and I get loud laughter-----go figure them Diegos :-))))

Dizzy Gillespie & Louis Armstrong - Umbrella Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1uMjz3n3w

Tony

Vince sounds nice, good luck

Jack

My best waiting in line with someone story:

I was dating a man with the quickest instant wit I have ever found. We were going to one of those massive West LA super plexes where you buy your tickets and then get in the line for the specific movie you want to see.

We were standing quietly chatting, when a woman dashed up and panted, "Is this the line for "Endless Love" to which he immediately replied,

"No Maam, just the movies"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrAKiRZ9niM#

Witchy Woman

"Is this the line for "Endless Love"

"No Maam, just the movies"

Jamie ---In advertising for 8 years------my mind is going nuts ,,,,lots I can do with this---I did visit your blog----nice.

Chole

Are we losing chyenne??

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3561tendernesspostersly3.jpg

"http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3561tendernesspostersly3.jpg

Very cute picture! But you must have forgotten, Cheyenne is a buckskin, and a beauty. I do have a horse that looks like your picture though. She's a paint (and another beauty). We call her America, because she has a pattern on her side that is the shape of America.

Sure has been nice to see you back.
"..about getting lost----I kinda like doing it sometimes,,
I used to love going running by myself in those mountains --"

Solar, I know what you mean about getting lost (but I'd rather do that in my mind). I used to be a runner too, every day for years. Not long distance though, usually about 4 miles every morning. I stopped when we moved to Texas, and never started again. To me, during a really good run, I would feel that thing you said about finding the key to unlock the mysteries (and everything becoming clear). I always needed to be listening to some good music (I preferred rock) while running. They didn't have ipods back then, but they did have cassettes and mini cassette players (and of course radio, but fm only). Boy how far we've come in the last few years. I really do miss that feeling that you get when you run, but can't see myself getting into it now (or here).

But you did bring back some good memories. :)

Hey Tony,

(I know you're out exercising, but..)
I'm glad to hear that you're working on and enjoying a good relationship with Vince. They're always worth the work you have to put into them and there's nothing to compare to that kind of companionship. My husband and I have been together for so long, do everything together, and I can't imagine living my life any other way. I hope you and Vince will be together as long as you want to be.

At any rate, glad to see things are going so well for you (and your business). But be careful washing those windows. It's sounds like you might be up quite a few stories sometimes. How do you do that? Take care. :)

Well I like your mind,,,just fine,,,,I never see a motive in what you are asking or in the way that you give information,,,,,you just share--------Oh by the way, while I was catching up----you had me in stitches ,,,with all of the names that you came up with in such a short time,,,,when you were pissed at that fleahead from NY---loved it---Im glad that someone said something,,I think I am going to stay on your good side.:-)))

OK folks I take back all the positive things I said this morning.
We are in the last days.

Bruce Bartlett, the original supply sider, is now a (gasp) Keynesian

"What Would Keynes Do?"

" But in the end, there is a limit to what the Fed can do by itself. At some point, government spending must be the engine that pulls the economy out of recession, because only that can compensate for the fall in private spending that has caused velocity to drop and brought on deflationary conditions.

But it must be the right kind of spending. It must draw real resources out of the economy--that is the only kind of spending that will work. Buying bad mortgages and sending out more rebate checks won't do any good. "

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/12/04/depression-deflation-velocity-oped-cx_bb_1205bartlett.html

BTW
It is a very well written, informative and written on the level a layman can understand. I highly recomend it.

Jack

Ha, Solar. You are on my good side, and once someone gets there, it's almost impossible to get off of it. So not to worry.

And I like your mind. Maybe that no motive thing is it. I agree with the politics thing you said. You can't get away from it, no matter where you go. But you can avoid certain people, and make the best of all the good things here.

And I love your honesty!

Solar - the book is out now and on Amazon. I think I can borrow her mother-in-law's if I decide to read it. The funny thing is that one of the groups of scientists who were responsible for getting them on the right track were Marxists - who knew, in Japan?

I hadn't read your post where you tried to flush me out until just now. I would have given Judy more than $5 to get away from a creep. Good thing I wasn't there! HA!

Hey, I didn't think that post was THAT long. I've done far worse and so have you. Just think of the wisdom
the scrollers miss when they ignore us - HA!

"It is a very well written, informative and written on the level a layman can understand. "

Even me Jack?

Just kidding. :)

Jack----I booked that so I can read tomorrow --thanks

We need to get a mind like yours out there to help out

What you said about the gas going to a very low price,,, and then tax it .25 cents,and then an additional .5 cents a month for six months( i hope i have it right) is great----it's only a matter of time that it goes up anyway---cple of things that I would add---that is it has to go for road work, bridges,etc,,,,and nothing else---can't borrow from it,,,,nada---it will put a lot of people backk to work and get the blood ( $ ) flowing again

I still would like a flat sales tax , and a flat income tax,,,with credits for the poor----tweak it--I think that you can follow the money a little better--lots of tax's that we don't even know about that exists now???---I can't look at my bill cos they make no sense to me----I can figure them out but decline to do so ----just angers me

Oscar De La Hoya fight on now--------I gotta go get my gloves and punch out Judy------------I shadow box ,,,and she gives me a crack---says grow up---what the hell is that----one of these day's Ima gonna knock her block off-,,,haha

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Solar
You give me such joy and laughs.HA HA ,this gay has some balls!! HA HA .Oh and me in a Kilt with these hairy legs well.... .I will give Vince the Italiano(something new for him,he's black) a shout for you,thanks.

I'm trying to get going on this image shack thing - I got in and clicked on post to a blog. I tells me I haven't chosen any images yet and that I should choose some one the thumbnails to the left.

I would but there is nothing at all to the left Help!

Hey Jack, Wouldn't you say that paragraph you quoted pretty much says it all? :

"...government spending must be the engine that pulls the economy out of recession, because only that can compensate for the fall in private spending that has caused velocity to drop and brought on deflationary conditions.

But it must be the right kind of spending.... "

Bethy ----hve that name of the book---booked

Some where I read that , while the west---north america--europe was heavily into the sciences, Japan, China, all of that part of the world,,,considered that spirituality ,,,religion,,,etc...was more important,,,and that is why we have been so far ahead of them,,,,but not anymore ---they just might have the last laugh,(sorta of speaking) we better get it together,,,if we don't bail out the Auto Ind----just think ---they will own it ---what a shitty situation that they have put us all in-----i wish that i could go up to the government without a bit of shame and tell them that cos I f----k up give me cash to make it all better for the workers that i ripped off in the first place>>>go figure

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Hey Chloe
Thanks! I just got in from my workout and a quick trip to the Winn Dixie.I'm glad you and your husband have been together so long and have so much in common that you can do so much together.I feel thankful to find someone who is a caring sensitive person such as myself,my only fear is I'm the only guy he's ever been with! he's in the discovering his self phase,which a lot of us go through.I wanted to pass him by but I just had to take a chance.Will see? I have a good friend though whatever happens.I do those windows from there balconies,so yes its up high but i have a railing all around and I don't mind heights.

Bethy---thanks to Jamie I figured it out

What I do --is if I have a picture that i want ---I get it over to my pictures on the pc----then on the page that you are on---go to brows click on the picture---go back and upload ---it will show the pic,,,then click ,,as you would a link, and paste---

Tony,
Glad to hear about those balconies. I had visions of you on a crane.

Just let the thing with Vince run it's course, and it'll all work out. If it's meant to be it'll last, and if not, just enjoy your time together and don't worry about it. The important thing is, you're enjoying the relationship. And he'd be crazy not to appreciate you.

Thought I'd already linked this, but I don't see it.

Santana ft. Rob Thomas - Smooth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpX97eg-W-k

nite all.

Jack
Thanks for that! I feel blessed to hob knob with you and the rest here at TM,your one of what I call the brightest and the best here at TM...

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Oops
Jack forgot to link your comment.

"your one of what I call the brightest and the best here at TM."

I agree with what you just said about Jack Tony.
nite again.

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Chloe
Thanks for the great advice and I will take it to heart. Vince told me yesterday "I just don't like you,I love you",talk about taking one's breath away.....I know mushy ,well...........

Good evening all!

Am a bit leery about Caroline as Sen. Firstly, she doesn't have any experience which should be a factor in NY and these difficult times. Secondly I have a hard time picturing her doing a complete personality change and becoming a publicly accessible figure, nor can I picture her doing it for any length of time. Additionally there is IMO a sense of the marketed contrived aspect of Obama

There was Camelot, Liealot, Fallalot, Forgetalot, Cumalot, Fuckedupalot. wonder what the upcoming administration will be considered....

Hopealot?

Bowmanc- sure something we need now!

Naked Twister is not sick, just good clean fun.

Anyone catch Cambell Brown (CNN) call Hillary out on taking the Obama speechwriter too lightly.

Appears she's upset HRC complained about the sexist behavior of both the media and the Obama camp during the primary, but now she's on the team it's a different story. Paraphrasing, "She could care less now. It must of all been a big ruse just for the election."

With her No Bias, No Bull, CB is trying to out KO, KO! lol

Hey Sea
I just ordered some of your beautiful and I'm sure wonderfully tasting goodies for myself and other's for the holidays! Thank you,your a great and interesting person...Love your post's...

Rezdog-"Hillary out on taking the Obama speechwriter too lightly" .What is this about ?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/05/campbell.brown.clinton/index.html

Forgot the link.

Oh Cool Tony and thank you!! I sure hope you enjoy them. Will be making Love Spell Chocolates in Jan. but it doesn't sound like you need them, congrats on all your good fortune in love!

I'm sorry, but this is the same woman who, during the campaign, pointed to example after example of sexism directed at her saying that, quote, "It's been deeply offensive to millions of women"?

Is this the same woman who pointed out the references to her cleavage or her cackle, the comments by certain pundits and the media?

The same woman who concluded, quote, "the remnants of sexism are alive and well" after someone at a rally shouted out "iron my shirt"?

She made a point of calling people out during the campaign, and for that, she became a hero to millions of women. But now, the campaign is over.

She is joining Team Obama, and, apparently, this photo of her likeness being groped by another key member of Obama's team doesn't bother her a bit. Just good-natured fun, or so her spokesman

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/05/campbell.brown.clinton/index.html#cnnSTCText

Rez

She is trying to do the Olberman sneer, but it's not working. Her timing is to loose. She is just looking like a bad imitator.
lol
And why would anyone want to imitate KO?

Jack

Why, all of a sudden does Campbell care about HRC. All during the campaign she never once said anything nice about her,as a matter of fact Campbell was just another of the good ole boys. I think HRC, ought to tell her to kiss her ASS, and not answer any of that bitches questions.

"And why would anyone want to imitate KO?"

Jack
I agree! Why?

Rez

I'll give you 2 to one odds she already has the young mans balls in a jar on her desk.
lol
That press release was just her way of giving them a little tap as she walked by.

Jack

Rezdog, I agree with Jack, it's not working. Also, it wasn't Hillary herself who "pointed to example after example of sexism directed at her" In fact, for the majority of the election she made few comments. This is another example of how terribly hard women can be on other women.

Hey Lampe, she's just waiting for any chance to trash Hillary. I don't watch her anymore and my life has improved!

CB... She doesn't have any consistent message, just griping...
I use to like her.

Darn, I thought there was going to be a girl (Patsy) in the shower. lol

Saw it the other nite.

typo.. . She has a law degree I think..

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No surprise!

"think she'd be a nightmare for the leadership. Listening to no one but her conscience."

Rez

It's the senate. Mavericks are isolated. and seniority is everything. A newbie gets along or gets nothing. This is doubly true when one party has a large majority as the Democrats do.

Jack

They'd have to treat her differently Jack.

"it was sweet watching OJ grovel today!"
I agree,sweet....

I saw you mention his gray hair and heard the news guys say something about it too but he added that there's no hair coloring products allowed. So I didn't want to bring that up. lol

Daschle is a man in a mostly boy's club.........

Besides Jack, as close as the Senate is for closure, 58/42,
every Senator has some pull I would guess. I would just think she wouldn't be a follower of the party line if her conscience got in the way, plus money's not an issue like most.

"No Maam, just the movies" ---> Ha !

Senator Caroline ?

Shetland Pony -
Yes, a bad tempered animal, just big enough to hurt you.

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His neutrality in the primary of course!

Never owned or was around a Shetland, but aren't they like most pet animals: their ill behavior is a reflection on the owners as much as anything.

"And what brings you to that opinion of Daschle"

The most obvious fact that points in that direction is the fact he was majority leader. The majority leader is the ultimate insider. And it is the only post in the senate for the young and ambitious.
Lyndon Johnson found out how to make it a position of power. BTW, he kissed a lot of ass to get it. A prime ass kisser was young Lyndon.

Jack

Is that like a butt boy Jack? Just curious

I realize Jack, that's not one of your expression but from what I read around here it's seems that's the common understanding.

Rez

It may well be, but I doubt if anyone called Lyndon that, at least not to his face. You've heard the expression "don't get mad, get even"? Well Lyndon believed in doing both.

Jack

I heard/read he was pretty tough on folks (congress people)

Rez

I believe the person in question consistently uses the term in a manner that reflects that definition.

Jack

UNITED NATIONS -- Countries around the world are looking to Barack Obama for leadership in reaching a global climate treaty next year, but no nation will be able to singlehandedly deliver a final agreement, a senior U.N. official said Thursday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/04/AR2008120403697.html

Representatives from 190 countries are meeting in the Polish city of Poznan from Dec. 1-12 to work toward an ambitious new treaty that hopefully will be adopted at a meeting in Copenhagen, Denmark, in December 2009. It would replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

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More alligators for Mr. Obama's swamp.

Thx Jack, cause I've been called that here several times and wasn't sure.

Hey Ed, with you bro

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I hope your correct about Daschle,for all of are sakes!

Rez

If you are ever snowed in for a week or so you might read Robert Caro's book about Johnson "Master of the Senate". It goes into great detail on the working of the senate and how Johnson manipulated it.
And yep if he didn't like you he could be a bastard. But he made Hubert Humphrey the senate leader of the liberal faction just by refusing to deal with any of the others. Humphrey wisely remembered that.

BTW the book is the size of the average unabridged dictionary. Not something you would have around for a weekend read.

Jack

More alligators from Mr. Johnson's swamp -

The approximately 42 hours of telephone recordings released Thursday cover the period from May 1968 through January 1969, when Johnson left office. The LBJ Library has archived and periodically released groups of the recordings that were made during his presidency. The phone conversations took place at the White House and at the LBJ Ranch in Texas.

"This is treason," Johnson said, referring to people close to Nixon, during a conversation with Senate Republican leader Everett Dirksen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/04/AR2008120403651.html?nav=hcmoduletmv

Nixon and Johnson speaking from the grave this week. Pretty creepy.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congressional Democrats and the White House have reached agreement on emergency aid for U.S. automakers of between $15 billion and $17 billion, two senior congressional aides said on Friday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSTRE4B50CL20081206

Jack,

First, I don't read much any more.. . actually I never did and I know it shows. One of those things I didn't get the encouragement on as a kid ..poor me lol

Second, at the risk of being like the G Man, I think LBJ had a big hand in the JFK murder and as most good Democrats, we revere the Kennedys.

Third, I like politics and history but not that much.So does DW and she reads to me at night, so this seems something down her alley. :-)

Lastly, I'm from OK and we hate Texas.

Thx, maybe it on books on tape/audio. I did read something a while back about his secret recordings and it was interesting. It's the voyeur in me. :-0

Intel works on tiny devices for eco-technology

The computer chipmaker on Friday offered reporters a glimpse of its research into products such as chip-size sensors that monitor air quality while riding piggyback on street-sweepers. Or cell phones that recharge themselves with energy "scavenged" from the environment.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/05/BU1V14IU5F.DTL

Rez -
Johnson never believed the Warren report either.

Rez

these tapes they keep releasing are fun. Kinda like being a fly on the wall of history.

See you tomorrow.

Jack

Speaking of reading, I did read a good book (huge) about the asassination, co written by Thom Hartman last year and I'm not sure LBJ was the mastermind just knowledgeable. The mob and gov't cohorts looks like the culprits.

Ultimate Sacrifice: John and Robert Kennedy, the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the Murder of JFK

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sacrifice-Robert-Kennedy-Murder/dp/B00119R64C/ref=pd_sim_b_1

hasta manana

The CEOs of the Big 3 automakers flew to Washington to ask for $25 billion dollars from the new government's new 'money-for-incompetence' program."

Daily Show: Bailout City Madness
http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/daily-show-bailout-city-madness

House Democratic leaders have decided to lengthen the congressional workweek next year as they try to implement President-elect Obama’s agenda and clear a backlog of priorities no longer subject to the veto of President Bush.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-will-return-to-five-day-work-week-in-2009-2008-12-05.html

Humans 80,000 Years Older Than Previously Thought?

Gademotta was an attractive place for people to settle, due to its close proximity to fresh water in Lake Ziway and access to a source of hard, black volcanic glass, known as obsidian.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081203-homo-sapien-missions.html
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New number : 276,000

ScienceDaily (Dec. 5, 2008) — If you're happy and you know it, thank your friends—and their friends. And while you're at it, their friends' friends. But if you're sad, hold the blame. Researchers from Harvard Medical School and the University of California, San Diego have found that "happiness" is not the result solely of a cloistered journey filled with individually tailored self-help techniques. Happiness is also a collective phenomenon that spreads through social networks like an emotional contagion.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081205094506.htm

JUSTICE. For THIS as well as all the counts in Las Vegas yesterday.

http://www.blurofinsanity.com/blurimages/oj_ron.jpg

LBJ was merely the recipient of the "message" of the JFK assassination........he got the message.......not that it matters............

just like bob got the message and no more protest songs......bada bing.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWkWSLEW-Ds

bobby........the best of the lot of 'em..........

OJ received justice at the end of the murder trial........the state so wretchedly botched the case that he walked.........that's justice.......beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt.........if justice consisted of bad people always without fail getting their just deserts or desserts.......our justice system would be non-functional and useless like it always has been throughout history when good people wanted the truth to come out........better one bad one walk than any good ones fall to impeccably un-flawed arguments.........which may or may not be true........

or something like that

Listen: that wasnt me and I didnt write ANY of that goofy crap.......

lol

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the stark reality of politics, 101....

your mission should you decide to exception it.......read the story of what happened politically in athens at the end of the 27 year war between sparta and athens.......the spartans, victorious, imposed a rule of thirty guys.........the thirty guys requested a garrison of Spartans to make sure that their rulings were adhered to..........the two lead guys of the thirty [cf. the ruling dudes of the french revolution] fell out and the guy with "right" on his side was finally fed the hemlock...........overpowered by men with daggers and men with lies who controlled them........but I cannot capsule the history of the immediate followation of the oligarchic resolution of said war.

so I say......if you want to see politics laid bare as practised by your typical humans (there is nothing new under the sun)........check out the aftermath of the peloponnesian war as it applied to athens.....

You'll find that Xenophon caught up the unfinished thread of Thuc's history of that war.......

Xenophon.........book: HELLENICA........the one I have is translation Carleton L. Brownson...........the story of the aftermath politically is not that long .....begins around page 110 and maybe fifteen or 20 pages, one side of page only..............

That goofy mess was my attempt at using the image shack. I have no idea what would have been shown.

Bear - I don't think it shows that you don't read a lot. You always sound very intelligent knowledgable to me. I'll tell you what tho - I have found that finding the right book is the ticket. A good friend, fighter pilot in Viet Nam, never read much and then he found West into the Night, by the woman pilot who lived in Africa.
He couldn't put it down. I got him another book called The Wrong Stuff by a wwII bomber pilot telling of his exploits. There's something out there you'd like to read.

Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that moving the eyes is restful. I know they use it in some therapy.

I read from the outset.......somehow I got it and I was good at it and devoured certain sections of many libraries........relatively speaking.............

I used to sit nights with a remote and a VCR recorder recording stuff on tv........time spent......editing out commercials......just bits.......theme songs from TV shows, Carson-Letterman-Cornan, Jim's Eulogy for the Racehorse on "Taxi" ...............hours......wanting to save all this stuff........and now, you just pull up UTube and watch away.....It's magna goofy.

Those weren't me either.

Actually.........I have not been here tonight, and y'all did not see me.........

check?

"Bear - I don't think it shows that you don't read a lot."

Bethy -- I think you're mixing up Rex and Bear. It was Rez who said he didn't read much. I think the opposite is true of Bear.

"West into the Night, by the woman pilot who lived in Africa."
bethy, good book, almost poetry. imo she was a better writer than izak dinesen... and probably somewhat wilder if that was possible.

beryl markham by wiki:
"When Markham decided to take on the Atlantic crossing, no pilot had yet flown non-stop from Europe to New York, and no woman had made the westward flight solo, though several had died trying. Markham hoped to claim both records. On September 4, 1936, she took off from Abingdon, England. After a 20-hour flight, her Vega Gull, The Messenger, suffered fuel starvation due to icing of the fuel tank vents, and she crash-landed near Cape Breton, Nova Scotia (her flight was, in all likelihood, almost identical in length to Mollison's). In spite of falling short of her goal, Markham had become the first woman to cross the Atlantic east-to-west solo, and the first person to make it from England to North America non-stop. She was celebrated as an aviation pioneer.[4]

Markham chronicled her many adventures in her memoir, West With The Night, published in 1942."

are automakers laying off off-shore employees? if so, is it at same rate as the hundreds of thousands dumped so far in us? same question re plants.
along those lines, hope congress requires some promise and accountablity to keep whatever jobs bridge loan pays for to be homegrown. might help if incentives sweeten the pot to reward usa-made products. maybe tax credits even to the consumer for buying eco-friendly usa cars like the credits given for energy efficient appliances etc.

Good morning all, Bush and his cronies are trying to push the wind farm through in Nantucket Sound as a final act of his reign of terror. Just like everything else from him, they reap lots of money and to hell with the worldHe makes me ill.

Federal agency completing key study on Cape Wind projecthttp://www.saveoursound.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6223

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Bethy, you are right -- it's called Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. EMDR is a form of psychotherapy that was developed to resolve symptoms resulting from disturbing and unresolved life experiences (per wiki).

Some claim it was used successfully first after Oklahoma City and again after 9/11. More about that in a book by its discoverer. Very interesting how it was identified and developed. Don't know if it works, but I've heard first-hand from some who say it does.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/EMDR/Francine-Shapiro/e/9780465043019/?itm=1

Ignore trying something to help Bethy

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Bethy,

You might find the following hosting service to be a little more user friendly

http://www.photobucket.com

All you are doing is uploading photographs from your computer. Once they are uploaded to the host, you then get codes for different purposes. The one you want to post here is "share by email or IM"

I was just reading about the great comprimise between Bush and congress to provide the Auto companies with low interest loans. (Low interest rates for GM seems to be somewhere under 50%)

God what a bunch of Maroons, Can we get the world to take a vacation until January 20. We are due for some adult leadership.

Jack

Anti-virus cocktail------Apple-Orange Juice'
one serving about 8 ounces-----Winter Choice---Simple and it works

2-apples --1 orange------Cut the apples into narrow wedges. Peel the orange, leaving on as much white pith as possibe. Cut or break the orange into segments. Process the fruit in the juicer,,,blender or whatever----eat it all ,,if no juicer

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"Anti-virus cocktail------Apple-Orange Juice'
one serving about 8 ounces-----Winter Choice---Simple and it works"

You're right Solar.
I prefer a larger variety of fruit blended into the mix, but it all works. As long as you drink it (or eat it) everyday. A lot more benefits than just antivirus too. It also helps keep your weight down, among many other benefits.

"if incentives sweeten the pot to reward usa-made products. maybe tax credits even to the consumer for buying eco-friendly usa cars like the credits given for energy efficient appliances etc." Posted by: patd | December 6, 2008 6:41 AM

Good ideas patd.

Chole----all good----than I take (at first 2 tablets for 3 weeks)

tablets of Glucosamine--HCI---1500 mg.,,,,,,,with MSM 1500 mg,,,,for optimum joint health and mobility-----and good to go -----for a good work out ---run, long march-walk, or what ever,,my body tells me it wants----but it takes about 30 day's to make exercising a habit----than it is just maintaining a few day's a week schedule------you must do a lot of lifting,,these pills will help if you don't take anything

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I think it is time to cut the VP office budget, Past time really, by about eight years. I think
Cheney has amply demonstrated what a clusterf*ck it is when you introduce a separate power structure within the whitehouse.
I want the man elected to be in charge to be the one in charge.
The VP has his duties and he doesn't need a large staff to carry them out. (he certainly doesn't need an economist whose only job is to add more noise and distraction.) Just a sharp pair of scissors for all the ribbons and a good suit for all the funerals.

JMO

Jack

Than one tablet every day without fail---it lets me move normally all day

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/?last_story=/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/04/25/olbermann_apologizes/
"Let Obama be Obama"

"Jeb Bush, allegedly the smart Bush, is trying to drum up support for a 2010 Senate race in Florida by telling NewsMax that Republicans should form a "shadow government" to oppose Obama's plans. If a Democrat said something like that on the eve of a new GOP administration, he or she would be smeared as a traitor. And if any Republican had a chance to set up a "shadow government," it wouldn't be someone named Bush. Go away, little Jeb."

"it takes about 30 day's to make exercising a habit.."

Solar, Yes, it takes about 30days to create any kind of habit. That glucosamine is important stuff. It lubricates the joints.

") Just a sharp pair of scissors for all the ribbons and a good suit for all the funerals"

LOL Jack.

Talked to a Lawyer friend that is in real estate------said that biz picked up -----he did a few closing's for apartments,,condos,,and some even for townhouses,,,,but they were all from auctions----hopeful sign to me-------I wish that the news channels would report some good news like this more often----sure would help, to know somethings are still on the positive side.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/12/04/one_more_question.html

"One more question"

Tony, out of that Joan Walsh article you linked, this I hadn't thought about this:

"....... Obama has held more press conferences in the last two weeks than George W. Bush holds in a typical year."

That's a good sign that he plans on keeping the lines of communication open.

Coming Home to America
"It was T.S. Eliot, an American living abroad, who wrote this: "And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."

"When you write about young democracies, as I did, you learn to appreciate the comforts of old ones."

"... another sometimes expatriate, F. Scott Fitzgerald, was totally wrong when he said there were no second acts in American lives. The greatest thing in America is not the freedom and opportunity to succeed; it is the freedom to fail -- and try again.."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/12/coming_home_to_america.html

Later.

Chloe
Agreed! I have been very impressed at Obama's willingness to speak to the press and thus the American people! I quit watching the few press conferences of Bush a long time ago,embarrassing and very little substantive answers....

Anyone working on this economic downturn has to pay attention to something that has been totally ignored for way too long:

A 1993 study indicated that about 23% of the US population is functionally illiterate. That's 40 million people who can not read well enough (above a 5th grad level) to understand and hold anything but the most menial job in today's economy. A follow up study in 2006 showed no significant improvement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

Many of these people have never worked, only work subsistence temporary jobs and they tend not to get reported in the unemployment figures.

With modernization and off shoring, those numbers could go even higher.

More scary literacy numbers

1/3 of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives.
42 percent of college graduates never read another book after college.
80 percent of U.S. families did not buy or read a book last year.
70 percent of U.S. adults have not been in a bookstore in the last five years.
57 percent of new books are not read to completion.

"That's 40 million people who can not read well enough (above a 5th grad level) to understand and hold anything but the most menial job in today's economy."

Jamie

Only to those college educated study makers is that a true statement.
The rest of us know that there are people at all levels of society that have low level reading skills. They just keep it hidden.

I can read but I can't do what my former boss (who couldn't read well) did which was run a very successful contracting business. As we were both old fart country boys he trusted me enough to hand me something and say read this and tell me if it says what I think it does.
BTW, 5th grade reading skills should let anyone function.
Jack

57 percent of new books are not read to completion

A good number as 90% of the books written aren't worth the time it takes to read them.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179847

Sol --

I hope you're on to something. Two weeks ago I started what my husband calls my "jamba juice" -- has more glucosamine than than the chew-ables I had been taking. Not the greatest taste, but what the heck if it works. 30 days to health or money-back (at Sam's Club), they said.

http://glacialmilk.net/products_joint.htm

The Velocity Factor

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/the-velocity-factor/

to put some meat on the bones of the Bruce Bartlett piece I posted yesterday.
This is econ 201 level stuff imo, but good stuff and give you a little background into current academic thinking as Obama and company plan for the future.

This piece is work but fun for me anyway.

Jack

Thought for the day :
" Clean mind, clean body: take your pick. "

1943 Mike Smith London England, rocker/pianist
(Dave Clark 5-Glad All Over)

1768 1st edition of "Encyclopedia Brittanica" published (Scotland)
1865 13th Amendment is ratified, abolishing slavery
1866 Chicago water supply tunnel 3,227 meters into Lake Michigan completed
1992 300,000 Hindus destroy Ayodha Mosque of Babri India, 4 die; riots follow

IVY

I have been juicing for years ---one apple --3-4 carrots at least 2-3 times a week----re Glucosamine ---I get the kirkland bottle
that has 375 tablets at Cost-co--about 12 bucks------I only take one a day,,,and it goes a lot further----but I wont go without it----like I said---for the first 3 weeks ---2 per day---than one per day will do for me,,lots of stretching and exercise, also juice veggies that are good for bones and, energy.

That's the thing with comin' in late .... All the doughnuts are gone. And this coffee has been on the burner for 2 1/2 hours.

Zombie Hazelnut ........ ugh.

IVY

Here is a Christmas present for your hubby------The Bunny Hop:-)) Carrot-Spinach,Turnip Leaves--Watercress Juice

Put on Your Sexy Stuff and get reeeeeady to ruuuumble!!!

This rabbit food will put you in the mood 5- carrots,,,10 spinach leaves,,,4 turnip leaves,,,,4 sprigs of watercress-------Trim the carrots and cut them into 2- to--3 inch pieces process the vegetables in the juicer

Ive give him this 15 min before bed time----and watch out-----never mind the sexy nighty-----he is just going to rip it off anyway-----and then tell me all about it---I promise I won't tell the others!!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179862

Jack,

My grandfather only went to the 5th grade, but he was a math whiz and used to tell his children about their algebra homework, "I can tell you the answer, but you will have to put in the XYZ things"

The problem is that we have outsourced so many of the jobs that someone with a limited education could earn a decent living.

There is a difference between book smarts and street smarts. Both are useful, but we are fast approaching the time when you won't be able to work at anything except possibly some forms of art without at least minimal book smarts plus we are falling so far bethind the rest of the developed world that without investment in research there won't be as many of those jobs either.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/12/automakers-stalled-on-the-hill.html#comment-179872

All you have offered is snark and when you do that you get snark in return.

One piece of non snark. Your reading comprehension skills are atrocious.
No where did I say "reading at a 5th grade is adequate"
I said "function" and function does not equal adequate.

Jack

Strug's wine bottles. ( Annie Green Springs )

Court documents , ash trays stuffed with butts, the New York Times all over the floor.
Someone got the Twister Game out, and didn't fold it up.

Who's socks are these ?

This place is a mess.

KGC

You asked me once if I had any idea for cocktails----at that time I thought that you probably,,know most of them ( good ones )-----maybe this one for Christmas cocktails here at TM or for your house get togethers

Christmas Cocktail,,great party punch for the holiday's-------Apple- Grape--Lemon Juice----------3 golden Delicious or other sweet apples-1-( 4-ounce) bunch of green or purple grapes, preferably organic, with stems---2/4 lemon, with the skin-----Cut the apples into narrow wedges. If the gapes are not organic,,remove the stems,, Cut the lemon into slices, Process the apple wedges and grapes in a juicer,,adding the lemon slices about halfway through....
Add your favorite booze to taste---1 once—in 8-12 oz's??

I don't put Tequillia in the punch,,,some just like it plain or just put in a real little bit and then add more later,,,hope you like

Laid-off workers occupy factory in Chicago

Associated Press
9:51 AM CST, December 6, 2008

CHICAGO - Workers laid off from their jobs at a Chicago factory have occupied the building and are demanding assurances they'll get severance and vacation pay that they say they are owed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-workersoccupyfact,0,1928458.story

CBob

If you arrive early and catch the hostess in her slip, as punishment you have to pitch in and get ready for the rest of the company

It's 31 and light snow in Chicago -

Wind: West 14 mph
Dewpoint: 25°
Humidity: 79%
Visibility: 7.0 miles
Barometer: 29.74 in
Today's forecast

Afternoon
Mostly Cloudy
High: 27°

Evening
Partly Cloudy
High: 27°
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That's a door factory in Chicago, and it appears to be a union shop,
from the story -

" Crain's Chicago Business reported that the company's monthly sales had fallen to $2.9 million from $4 million during the past month. "

That's a 25 % drop, almost the same number that BMW put up 2 days ago.

It's shaping-up to look like a quarter of our economic activity has disappeared in 60 days this fall.

What's eduction?

Everyone that can take a 25 % hit on their income, please stand up.

NEW THREAD

NEW THREAD

Re: Caroline Kennedy wanting to be the Jr. Senator from NY.

She has never run nor been elected to any political office, but she is a Kennedy, please move her to the front of the line. To me that gives the appearance of a sense of entitlement to a job she wants without having to do the background work to get there. I hope she is not chosen.

1987 FORD MUSTANG gets 100 + MILES / GALLON...see at hp2g.com