Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good Morning All

Good morning, Jamie! And everyone!

The Cabinet Maker isn't up to date. I've got the following named so far if not officially announced.

Cabinet Position Appointee

State Hillary Clinton
Treasury Tim Geithner
Defense Robert Gates
Attorney General Eric Holder
Commerce Bill Richardson
Health & Human Services Tom Daschle
Homeland Security Janet Napolitano

Then there are some of the West Wing appointees

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs
Communications Director Ellen Moran
Deputy Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer
Head of Economic Council in WH Larry Summers
Chair of Economic Advisors Christina Romer
Dir. Domestic Policy Counsel Melody Barnes
National Security Advisor Jim Jones
Office of Management & Budget Peter Orszag
Asst. OMB Robert Nabors

Thought for the day :
" Losing weight: the triumph of mind over platter. "

1929 Lt Cmdr Richard E Byrd sends "My calculations indicate that we have reached the vicinity of the South Pole" (He was wrong)

I'm sure the title of this is wrong, since most everyone here is so well informed, but..

10 Things You Didn't Know About Janet Napolitano
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politics/2008/11/24/10-facts-about-janet-napolitano.html

1952 President-elect Eisenhower visits Korea to assess the war

MSN just reported that India is making noise about using the 'Bush Doctrine' as a pressident to invade Pakistan. Good ol' Bush, he just keeps giving, and giving and giving.

Western governors to Obama: Act quickly on energy

Western governors urge Obama to quickly adopt national energy policy, reduce greenhouse gases

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/11/western_governors_to_obama_act.php

The Utah Mining Association said that at first glance, it is supportive of WGA's efforts to focus on a national energy plan that reduces greenhouse gases.

"But as you know, the devil is in the details in how you get there," president David Litvin said. "In this country right now we have a big push for renewables and many people think we can just move off our traditional sources of energy supply, but over 50 percent of our electricity comes from coal. Renewables only count for 2 percent of electricity produced. You can't move from 2 percent to 50 percent overnight."

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Nobody, I mean nobody ................... is calling for this to happen overnight. What people are calling for, is for it to start, and for it to start now.

"What people are calling for, is for it to start, and for it to start now."

Exactly.

Horsey -

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?ID=1866

Bush just referred to the United States as "The world's oldest democracy". He may have been off by a thousand years or so.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,,-80426,00.html

If it ain't American, then it don't count.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177833

Cbob. Re the Horsey cartoon. It's a shame Obama can't make the dummy in his lap do the right things.

Lots of left over parties around here...

SOFIA, Bulgaria -- A well-preserved ancient wooden dugout canoe has been discovered at the bottom of the Black Sea, scientists said Saturday.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103ap_eu_bulgaria_ancient_boat.html
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One of the great discoveries in archaeology in the last 25 years , has been the realization that the Black Sea, with it's anaerobic bottom - preserves ships . What will be found on the bottom of the Black Sea in the future will boggle the mind.

Whale wars -

The whaling fleet left Japan earlier this month and is expected to focus its hunt for about 1,000 whales in the Ross Sea, where New Zealand is responsible for search-and-rescue missions under international law. Animal rights group Sea Shepherd has vowed to disrupt the hunt.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1106ap_as_antarctica_whaling.html

Our family was watching whale wars just two days ago. I'm rooting for the whales.

Jamie,

My favorite thing about whales is that they got fed up with the hassle of being land mammals and finally said: "Screw this! Let's get back in the water!"

Maybe humans should follow that example.

LL

That was a great idea for lots of years, but now we have not only caught up with them and trashed their homestead but turned into serial killers as well.

I've tried watching that myself, but watching the volunteers on the Sea Shepard boat ....... I'd be hard pressed to put to sea with those folks.
Running around the Southern Ocean with well meaning volunteers, would scare me more than the Japanese whalers.

Unfortunately torpedoing the Japanese whalers would probably cause an international incident of some size.
Shame doesn't work well on them.

Michael Milken looking for a pardon. Remember him?
http://www.adn.com/nation/story/604681.html

Rupert and Roger despise Bill O’Reilly ..........

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/1108/Wolff_Murdoch_absolutely_despises_OReilly_.html

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Let's all turn in our hymnals to page 143 and sing Kumbaya. This is truly the first sign of the world coming together in a common purpose. That one day soon we can all join hands, and move forward in the common knowledge that, we all despise Bill O’Reilly.

"Honk if you despise Bill O'Reilly"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBT3oDMCWpI

you guys down in front, don't applaud.....just rattle your jewelry......

--john lennon

Do you suppose they'd have been allowed in that club if they weren't the act?

obviously they were running low on band names......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIEBErVs0fY&feature=related

but good taste in song material.........

as we danced close together long into the night, and every breath was a long and drawn out hallelujah......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhfNJASU7NM

Oh no, sturg, no body does 'You belong to me' like Patti Page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvlT61Hs_Kc

Robert Thomas Veline doing the music he didn't like even if it made him famous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBxo8V6R0tc

Do Wap a do -

Dion & Belmonts-The Wanderer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbRHnPTkNZc

Deano and Fabian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCf5VsRTp9U&feature=related

In Contention : Jo Stafford

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1Imb6jm0U

Jamie- a different 'Bobby V.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh1dAgoa3Bc
Sturg-I love Jo Stafford I tried finding her doing 'paper moon' but it was a no go.

"..............and the whale said to Jonah: 'Ain't no little bitty nothing like you.....gonna hip ME, the King of the Dip.....as to what the LICK is.......' "

---Lord Buckley

From the separation of church and state file -

Hundreds of people are reported to have been killed in central Nigeria after Christians and Muslims clashed over the result of a local election.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7756695.stm

Best Headline -

10 things fungi have done for us

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7754338.stm

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Listen up all you fungi haters.

the winner of the election, Mr Mbushi, was quoted as saying, "We did not steal the election.....those votes was counted fairsome and squarish......"

From the fungi article:
9. LSD, a drug, but not for medicinal purposes, was originally isolated from Claviceps purpurea in the 1940s by Albert Hofmann, a chemist with a particular interest in hallucinogenic fungi. He was also the first to isolate psilocybin from magic mushrooms.

What?? Not for medicinal purposes??
NOW they tell me................

Spectacular Sky Scene Monday Evening

A slender crescent moon, just 15-percent illuminated, will appear in very close proximity to the two brightest planets in our sky, Venus and Jupiter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20081128/sc_space/spectacularskyscenemondayevening;_ylt=AhkrRaaITT0GTcPQAR6S3Qys0NUE

Just a heads up....from Odetta's manager:

Dear Friends of Odetta,

On behalf of Odetta's adopted daughter Michelle Esrick and her niece Jan Ford (in California), I would like to share with you - Odetta's large extended family of brothers and sisters - the current health crisis in her life. On Saturday, she went into Lenox Hill Hospital for a check-up and IV nourishment. However, on Sunday evening she went into kidney failure, and we were told that the next 24 hours would determine if she would survive.

Miraculously, she made it through that emergency, but is still listed in critical condition. I was on the road when she went in the hospital and rushed back on Sunday. Jan and I are thankful that Michelle was here and has been by Odetta's side every moment of this ordeal.

Odetta believes she is going to sing at Obama's Inauguration, and I believe that is the reason she is still alive. She has a big poster of Barack Obama taped on the wall across from her bed. Her old heart has already outperformed and lasted far beyond the expectations of the heart specialists who treated her in January-March 2007 when she had her last health crisis while touring out West. Now compounded with the kidney failure, the doctors at the hospital are trying to do everything possible to stabilize her system and prevent the weakening of her other organs. They have her on dialysis now to rid the body of the toxic poisons that have built up, and it seems to be slowly working. She is sleeping a lot, but after a dialysis treatment and some food, she is coherent and talking. She is not in pain. We are told that she will be in the ICU Unit for at least another week, and that we'll just have to wait and see after that.

All of you are well aware of Odetta's indomitable spirit. Accordingly, I wouldn't bet against her singing for Barack in January!

If you would like to send a card, I know that she would love to hear from you (address of the hospital is below).

Ms. Odetta Gordon
Room # 719, 7th Floor ICU Unit
LENOX HILL HOSPITAL
100 East 77th Street
New York, NY 10021

Odetta: Midnight Special

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jGSiaDj_fw&feature=related

Chole-----from last thread--glad u liked the

Very cool picture of the expanding universe---there is the energy that you and Patsi talk about----if you want to right click on it, and set up as background---it will enlarge and you can see at the very start of it all------Quantum fluctuations, and inflation----the first time that i saw this is exactly how i felt-----stared at it for a little while, and said ---cool, forgot to say very but i even felt it-----back and forth today as usual ---

Tomorrow the History channel will have a totally new series on called Universe for 2008 starting at 12 pm central---gonna tape it and watch later on-----see u later

"A slender crescent moon..."

c-bob, is it just my imagination or have most of the larger and more coordinated acts of terrorism since and including 911 been carried out during cresent moons? has anyone noticed the sprectacular skies at those times?

'course most nights there are such skies.

people act goofy in clubs during a full moon.....I always wonder if it's just cause they think they sposed to act goofy or the moon is doing something to them or the extra light lends to mischief.........

just the last time for instance I was attempting to work my way between these two roughnecks arguing and gesturing in the doorway......One of them grabs me and says, "Hey, settle this........is that the SUN? or the MOON?"
I said, "Shit man, I'm not from this neighborhood........."

--Townes van Zandt

snowin' on raton..................townes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxJtolhinKk

""few prodigies have been found in fields like writing, painting, sculpture -- different set of skills and brain cells than those involving mathematics and music. ""

Patsi 8:53

Patsi - I couldn't agree with you more. That is the basis for my belief that music IS life and life IS music.
Movement and rhythm and meter and sound and emotion and harmony and dissonance - our bodies, all bodies are musical instruments. Oceans and waves and rivers have sound and rhythm - trees have rhythm which can be heard. Wind and storms - they have rhythm. They are put together with math.

You can remember a beautiful painting and can quote magnificent words, but you can enjoy music anytime anywhere just by singing yourself - it is your body.

I watch our crazy two year-old as he will start dancing and bopping around to no music we hear. It's in him.

That's why I feel that musicians are the most valuable and indispensable people on the planet. They give to the future simply by creating possibilities for other geniuses - look at the genius of Horowitz and Perlman we have thanks to Mozart and Beethoven, just to name a few of the thousands and tens of thousands we haven't heard.

Of course, it stands to reason, doesn't it, that our schools have had to cut out music classes because people don't want to be taxed too much. They can't kill music, tho, because music is part of us all.

I think maybe I've gone off on this tangent before - sorry if you've gotten it twice.

"Moo-jicians is brain damaged."

---Archie Granbery, owner of Ollie's Round-up in Denver, paraphrasing Bill Cosby

Well, they are different, that's for sure. I've been know to say they are crazy, but in a nice way.

it taps an ancient chord............

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177877

Unfortunately, when you cut music your math scores drop as too many of the "back to basics" crowd have found out too late to help the children whose brains they crippled by not giving them rhythm that they all feel in their heartbeats.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/storeclosings.asp

New words re store closings.

the ancient chord would be that breed of innkeepers who take it for granted that musicians are brain damaged..........it's not an outrageous assumption at a certain level of musicianville, usa........

everyone should learn the "sturgeone walk-beat" method of song writing......most songs rhythmns can be best illiustrated by a brisk walk.....

Ornate Coleman used to give me a fit trying to put it into walkbeat but I'm sure that even sisyphus loved the challenge of his work................

Sturgeone

That Bill Cosby "Children are brain damaged" routine is one of the most hilarious things I have ever heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ysFvUizRj8

Around here we have been known to call out, "Let The Beatings Begin!!"

Jamie.....while my wife was preparing to give birth as we lived in the EverGreen Motel in Aurora (Indoor Heated Pool....Korean Owned, HBO and cable, on Colfax east.....)......we were treated thru the freakishness of time and space to the television spectacle of that bill cosby stand-up video......his impression of the doctor "sitting down there like johnny bench" came to me as i was witnessing my daughter's birth and I began laughing......the nurses and everyone gave me very foul looks and I quickly regained my composure and the event proceeded.......but for some reason me and archie, the clubowner, sat around later and saw the same video and he went around after saying that at every available.......along with his "moo-jicians is like chickens in a barnyard theory.
Me and him sat around a lot, mostly in the mornings over coffee as the phones rang.........

I'ma tell ya......."very foul looks" doesn't begin to express the nature of the eyes on me at my outburst of laughter during the course of this, my lady's ordeal......and remember, they were wearing masks.....nothing but eyes......very serrrrrrrrious eyes.....

sturgeone went fish-like and displayed a calm demeanor....................surely an explanation of bill cosby's routine and how it applied to the present situation would only be viewed as an encumbrance and possibly a totally un-necessary diversion from the sacred nature of the ancient ritual taking place before our very eyes........

Sturg sorry i interrupted you----great story

if you go way, way back in the history of moo-jicians an interesting moment was when the original moo-jician, the Drummer, suddenly found he had to share the stage with a stringed instrument..........the interactive aspect was intriguing as the drummer possessed CLUBS while the stringed instrument involved PROJECTILES...........

I cannot abide the thought that I caused you to feel that you interrupted me......that could not be.
lol

Don'tlike key pad

I had lost that twice ---and did not want to loose it again,,,i hit the submit button---without looking to see if anyone was in the middle of a conversation---again sorry Sturg-----

I must now examine the wine..........and the done-ness of the burnt beast sacrifice to zeus.......

I must admit.

Think of it as the challenge of a new experience to bring pleasure to others.

Colorado Bob

You may want to add this web cam to your collection

Starting tomorrow you can watch Maeshowe in Orkney

http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/

At the Winter Solstice you will see the sunrise just as the ancient Vikings did. Be sure to allow for the time difference between here and Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AJ0SkbPxAk

I'm gonna look for that moon thing monday night........

I'm going to be Look Moonwatcher........

"make sure your facts are correct if you want to be smug. "

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of a factually-challenged maroon whose smugness pulsates in waves....

Prinicpal Vernon to Bender (Judd Nelson's character in The Breakfast Club):

"Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns."

"Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns."

Ah yes, and His SmugnessIn NYC might remember the words of my father: "If you want to run with the big dogs you better be able to piss in the tall grass."

Quick conversation between Emilio Estevez and Judd Nelson in The Breafast Club:

Andrew: Why you have to insult everybody?

Bender: I'm just being honest, assh-le. I would expect you to know the difference.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177903

Solar
You haven't made a mistake at all,your a gentleman as Jamie said!! I read in one of your posts earlier about you making some friends here,you sure have and please count me as one!

I have on the D.L Hughley show--re run----i hate to admit it ---kinda like it-

Tony-----thanks-----you going to get in a little extra exercise to work off the Thanks giving treats-----i over did it with too much white chocolate cake------gonna go get a slice now

el sho-biz ultima.......la corrida de toros........you know if the opra singer doesnt hit middle C or something he may get chastised in print or among his peers but if the Matador "misses middle C" he gets a cornada......ie the horn inserted into a newly created orifice in el matador's corpus.....a hole in Juan, as it were.......that's a TOUGH ACT

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177916
Solar
Yes, I did earlier today! I did an hour on the stair stepper and some Nautilus weight machines. I also worked on my uncles pool,it was bad,I had to manually vacuum and brush it.Oh boy...

"water seeks it's own level."

Wow -- did you just come up with this rapier witted quip?

CHICAGO (Nov. 29) - Even though employees at the Peer Bearing Co. no longer work for the Spungen family that recently sold the Waukegan-based ball bearings maker, they still received a turkey each this Thanksgiving in keeping with tradition.

But even better was the gift that came in mid-September, when the Spungens threw a party to celebrate the company's acquisition by a Swedish company.

They gave away $6.6 million in year-end bonuses to Peer's 230 employees, decided by a formula based on each worker's years of service.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177919

Oh my fellow gay brother,whatever do you mean?

Tony -- you remain one of the most positive forces on the blog -- thanks for that!

Solar and Chloe -- found the Zebra!!!!

Patsi---i did not know that those toys were that hard to get----my guy said that ---some came in but were sold already-----glad that you have them-

"water seeks it's own level"

And when big dawgs is a pissin in the tall grass, the water should do well to remember that.

Patsi, the" Pissing in the tall grass" can only be appreciated by someones who has driven the plains.

Jack

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Patsi
Thanks! I really enjoy it here.I get to hob knob with some of the best and brightest such as yourself and Jamie,Chloe,Solar,Bethy and many other great folks.I continually learn something and that's always good.TM lifts me up when I'm down,I had a really terrible week,my mom's dog Pepper who was 16 drown in my pool!! I let him in from the yard and turned my back away from the pool and was taking the hot tub cover off and turned back around to the pool and there Pepper was at the bottom! I jumped in and got him up on the pool deck and applied CPR,I got him back breathing and alert and coughing up water but his breathing wasn't so good,so I took him to an emergency clinic, where he spent the night ,when I picked him up the next morning to take him to his vet. he was much worse.I got him to his vet., but after a few hours the vet. called with the sad news Pepper had died! I am so sad,that was my last connection to my mom....Pepper had a fine life, but i feel bad ,it all happened in less than a minute...Oh Shit...

Tony,

I am so sad to read your news about Pepper. What a tragic accident. I know how responsible you must feel, but it could have happened to anyone. My sympathies on your loss.

For Tony and Pepper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QwGJkYisc

Tony, you poor guy! What a horrible story but you know you gave the little guy a very nice life - remember you were his link to your mom, also.

Frankly, Tony, you pick me up when I'm stressed. You are the sweetest and kindest person on this blog, and you warm my heart constantly with you sunny disposition. I'm really sick to death of the nastiness and the hardship that seems to have taken over, and there you are with your smile.

Solar - that goes for you, too. You are so upbeat that you calm my blood pressure. With all the macho posturing around the world, and here too, it makes me smile when you show the strength of your self-confidence when you can easily say you made a mistake. You don't have to make others pay for your self-doubts because you know you're doing fine. What a relief to know you don't feel inadequate and don't need to prove anything.

I learned years ago that to easily admit a weakness or mistake triggers the jealousy reaction in some people. I found out that so many people are aware of their own shortcomings but terrified to admit it. They really resent others who are strong enough to accept their faults and laugh at themselves. Those people can't accept themselves - it's not your problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QwGJkYisc

Rosie -- that was a great message that you posted for Tony.

Tony -- I'm so very sorry about Pepper.

Tony,

I'm am so sorry for what happened to Pepper. Sixteen years is a nice long life for a pet, but it's never easy. I'm sorry for the pain you had to go through. Loss is so hard to deal with.

Patsi, Glad you found the zebra and that the sets complete. It really is the little things that count. :)

Wouldn't It Be Loverly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2CnRuk6Nk

Excellent article in Salon: Tom Friedman tries to hide his "big stick" with revisionist history...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/30/friedman/

"remember you were his link to your mom, also"

tony, bethy said it all for me.... particularly including what she said at 3:12 about you.

huzzah! huzzah! patsi bagged her zebra!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bsugfQpWyw&feature=related

Ha! Yes -- pat -- my daughter tracked it down on ebay!!!! As I told her, how could Maria and I play with the figurines while watching Madasgar unless we had the zebra!!!???

Also got her the fairy figurines to play with while we watch Tinkerbell...

I told my daughter, son-in-law and my son that they were going to be in charge of cooking and cleaning this Christmas -- I was going to be in charge of playing with my granddaughter!

And what a joy she is -- with the Doodlebops -- down front and waving!

http://practicallyperfectpatsi.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/mariabopswithdoodles.jpg

Tony, I'm so sorry about Pepper. Please accept my condolences.

Good morning all
Thanks to all for your kindness! Rosie a special thanks to you for the rainbow-tube! Bethy thanks!

Patsi
I love this! "I told my daughter, son-in-law and my son that they were going to be in charge of cooking and cleaning this Christmas -- I was going to be in charge of playing with my granddaughter!" Your a wonderful Grandmother! What a wonderful thing for any child or adult. I had a Grandmother like you and I'm so glad,your post brought that back..Nice...

Tony.... here's a cyber hug.....
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Patsi...... YES! zebras are good.....

Visible Light Waves
"Visible light waves are the only electromagnetic waves we can see. We see these waves as the colors of the rainbow. Each color has a different wavelength. Red has the longest wavelength and violet has the shortest wavelength. When all the waves are seen together, they make white light."
http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/visible.html

Tony -- we had beautiful weather Wednesday and Thursday -- and are now back to cold and rainy -- wish I was in Florida!!!!!!!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177948
Renee
Its the best cyber hug I've ever had! Thanks.

Here's one Christian you don't want to tailgate...or pass on the wrong side of -- or even be on the same road with....

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/traffic/God_said_she__needed_to_be_taken_off_the_road.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177950

Patsi
I know what you mean.I moved here to care for the ladies and the weather grew on me,so I sold everything in Michigan and stayed. Mostly 80's last week and supposed to be in the 70's this week, I like it this time of year because you can open up the windows some.I get a nice breeze coming across the lake in back of my property,heavenly....

" a nice breeze coming across the lake in back of my property,heavenly...."

Ah -- yes...heavenly. And I have to go to the grocery store in the (yuk) rain! ROFL!!!!

tonyb39

So sorry about the death of your pup...

Catholic Obama voters ordered to "confession."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/56697.html

patsi, is your beautiful angelic maria also like this "flibberty-jibbet" and "how do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?" type maria?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYtjdal1uDc

Pat -- She's what my grandmother would have called "a caution," my dad would have called "a pistol," and most would call a charmer...Very similar to the song! ha!

Rosie----the Rainbow Bridge post-----great way to say something to some one hurting----that is what i will use ----i booked it

The Annual Haggis Hunt has begun from now through January 25. Enjoy spotting them on ten webcams and trying to win the weekly prizes

http://haggishunt.scotsman.com/

Haggis tastes offal.

Well, the Big Guy is doing a good job so far.
http://www.adn.com/nation/story/604872.html

LOL@Flatus

Thought for the day -
" Never mind the wind ... Adjust your sails." .................... Ted Turner

1835 Samuel Clemens [Mark Twain], author (Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn)

"it is my new Cantina----"

solar, that phrase sparked who it is you remind me of. what i see in your writings is a combination of the main characters in graham greene's "the power and the glory" and you seem to be both at once the whiskey priest and the lieutenant. please don't be offended as i mean this as a compliment and that you remind me of the good qualities in these otherwise flawed or fallen men (fallen that is in the eyes of the church). cerveza toast to solar!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177963

Cute Flatus. Not true, but cute. Besides, you only hunt the Hagii with cameras. No haggis will be injured in the course of the hunting season.

" Never mind the wind ... Adjust your sails." .................... Ted Turner

c-bob, did you see him on mtp this morning. loved it. specially his push for alternative energy.

I noticed one of those things that only appear when they suddenly go away. Like a loud noise when it stops.

Car commercials, this Sunday morning I noticed the silence that had been growing for weeks. There aren't any truck commercials with knobby tires grinding over rocks, and mud. None of the old style ads that implied I wasn't a real Texan unless I had a 3/4 ton crew cab, with duelly's on the back, and a Detroit diesel to move it all around.

This Sunday morning the only car ad in heavy rotation was the Toyota one selling the car made out of leaves and twigs. It was floating on an ocean of oil company ads, telling us how they, " get it ".

Now, if we can just get that leaves and twigs car to run on fungi.

What is it about evangelicals that they have a vision of God so small and petty that he must be petted and praised every single minute of the day like some petty tyrant who will put you in front of the firing squad if you don't genuflect and salute in the proper manner.

If my job were keeping several universes running in an orderly fashion, the last thing I would want is constant noise. :-)

jamie, what they picture on that link as haggii sure look like platypuses (platypodes?) to me.

Patd -
Ya, I bookmarked that line, as soon as it came on the screen. Ted is the largest land owner in America, and he's giving all of it to the "greenies" when he goes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177971

Because evangelicals understand in their guts something the are scared to admit in their mind. God enjoys sneaking up behind you and kicking you in the ass. And he doesit at time when you are unable to maintain your balance.

It is the reason I refuse to believe in God, for if he exists we're going to have to have a long talk about some of his habits.

Jack

Bethy--Wrote----and I am responding,,like this in the hopes that it will help someone out there in space.

"I learned years ago that to easily admit a weakness or mistake triggers the jealousy reaction in some people. I found out that so many people are aware of their own shortcomings but terrified to admit it. They really resent others who are strong enough to accept their faults and laugh at themselves. Those people can't accept themselves - it's not your problem."'

I would like to expound on this a little-------at some point all of my workers have told me, that they appreciate that I do admit when i make a mistake------believe me in construction mistakes are part of the job----it is how you correct them that counts -----If a worker see you covering up for a dumb mistake-------he will cover up in his mistake that will at the very least cause you to be embarrassed with the client, a most probably, time and cash.

I have lived pretty hard,,and partyed pretty hard, and made a lot of mistakes-----some I learned from, some I didn't------Once that I finally decided that I had been carrying a lot of childhood baggage I don't remember 60% of my childhood----lot of bad stuff---my dad used to make me kneel, when he wanted to punish me (which was often-i was pretty outspoken and rebellious) and hit me with an electric extension cord (Marine Corps- boot camp was a
breeze for me) cos i would not let him hit my two youngest brothers--he was a fuckin monster when he wanted to be,,,my mom a good catholic -----in her religious ignorance had to stand by her man-----she was great at making things better, Well anyway I told my worker that once I figured it out----that the hardest part was to look in the mirror and forgive myself-----i stood in front of full length mirror without any clothes on---and recalled all the hurtful things that I did to others,and they to me,,,,and while crying like a baby---i realized that the one I hurt the most,,,was myself,,,,,,and forgave myself,,,,,it was a huge weight off my shoulders-------I have always been a pretty happy guy ,,,but a friend, and family said that there was a diff. in me-------my older brother , the decon asked me if i found god-----I told him that I had found myself....we always talk about our feelings ----sometimes it get a little personal ,,but we have very strong ties in our family.

I felt that there was something still missing for awhile ----a year later if figured it out again-------My Father-------he was now retired living in Mexico,,,I took two weeks off work and flew to Mexico to see my Mom and Dad-------My mom looked the same to me,,,a little older-----My father looked,,,,older too but not like a monster---Well we finally took a walk that did not involve the wood shed,,and we were gone from the house for most of the day----we forgave each other------I can still see, and hear him when he told me that,out of all the children that he had (11-that lived--4 died) that he never worried about me---he knew that i would always be ok,,,,and that he was very proud of me. He even showed me the American Legion Building, and went with me to have a cpl of beers---(damn--no bud but had a similar one) with me----he was still a cheapskate and i did all the buying(actually i insisted) I met a cple of people that were from Canada,,,they were very nice---we talked about our diff political views ---he told me that he was happy with the universal health ins,,he had ---but was not happy with the wait time---had to go to chicago one for an emergency..

I am a much happier person now that I have learned to forgive myself and my father----A cpl of the people that I have come in contact with (3-ex gang members also) have told me that they are much happier after the forgave themselves-they call me once in a while,,you can fell the confidence in their voices----makes me feel-----Once again Wrote this in the hopes that someone out there can forgive them selves----no one can other that you and that mirror---you don't have to get nekid ---but if you don't cry real tears----you are just b s ing your self----try it again-----sorry for the long----long rant-------if you all want to blame some one blame Bethy---she makes me talk, and talk and----Bethy- lots of hugs :-))))))))

flatus, awful offal at that. here's a recipe from alton. notice his last line: "Serve with mashed potatoes, if you serve it at all."

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/haggis-recipe/index.html

1886 1st commercially successful AC electric power plant opens, Buffalo

1983 Radio Shack announces the Tandy Model 2000 computer (80186 chip)

Great moments in electricity.

offal is in the eye of the beholder.........

either that or Offal is on the shoe of the beholder.......

“The day of fossil fuels as a fuel are over. It’s just a matter of how soon everybody recognizes it.”
Ted Turner

Another great day in electricity -

1924 1st photo facsimile transmitted across Atlantic by radio

Some Offal is quite Delish

We owe this to Nicola Tesla. That was his power house at Buffalo. Running Westinghouse turbines that he designed.

We don't need more God, we need more Tesla.

Im way too serious--here u go---Rosie

After retiring, I went to the Social Security office
to apply for Social Security. The woman behind the counter asked me for
my driver's license to verify my age. I looked in my pockets and
realized I had left my wallet at home.

I told the woman that I was very sorry, but I would have
to go home and come back later.
The woman said, 'Unbutton your shirt'.

So I opened my shirt revealing my curly silver hair. She
said, 'That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me' and she
processed my Social Security application.

When I got home, I excitedly told my wife about my
experience at the Social Security office.

She said, 'You should have dropped your pants. You might
have gotten disability, too'

From the separation of church and state file -
1554 Roman Catholicism was (briefly) restored to England, under the reign of Mary Tudor, the daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon. In the process, "Bloody Mary" had Thomas Cranmer, Hugh Latimer, Nicholas Ridley and nearly 300 other Protestant leaders burned at the stake.

C-Bob -- Did you hear the NPR show on Tesla this morning? You can stay in his old room....

Jamie wrote
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177971

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better than we thought!--- The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, mor subtle, more elegant? Instead thy say, No, no, no, my god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way. All religions, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed bu modern science might be avle to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.
Carl Sagan, wrote in Pale Blue Dot

Jact----ain it the truth
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177975

I would like to know why he did not allow Noah to swat the 2 flies???? they spread a lot of sickness no???

Padt----you can say what ever you want to ---to me,,,y r great and can never insult me---i will read that book---maybe i can see what others see in me---thanks

this sounds like an old wurlitzer juke-box......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdrMIqqdcnw&feature=related

Big "O"...........a change is gonna come......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as3Hb6p7pcI

y'd be surprised how many times this song by clarence creedwater is not requested in joints:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ROalKnVZfU

i met otis oncet ........at the service station on spring st......i was waiting for my city bus in my little military school uniform when their big tour bus with OTIS REDDING writ large on the side pulled in for them to get off and get a coke.......Big O got off third or fourth, he was a great big feller and he was real nice......got a magic marker and signed the inside of my little military hat.......

Oscar Robertson ?? :-)

I saw the Bearcats beat Tulsa when i was a kid in the late 50s.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177972

Patd

Another Island bound ancestral relative

Sturgeone

Clarence doesn't sing as well as Tina

Funny about Turner, he helped put the deal together that saved the Valles Caldera. It had been held as a big, big, ranch, and was in danger of being turned into 40 acre ranchetts.
Valles Caldera is the biggest super volcano you've never heard of. It sits just above the bomb labs at Los Alamos , tucked in between there and the Colorado line. Los Alamos is on the right side of the map.
You turn in the front gate at the Labs follow the road across their campus, and you start a long climb up above Los Alamos. As you get up on the side of the mountain, the mesa where the bomb labs are spreads out below. Like Look Out Mountain above Denver, or the Flat Irons above Boulder.

As you climb the outside of the caldera the road cuts have bands of black obsidian 10 to 12 feet thick. Pure black glass. Best arrow head material ever made. Then at the top, the road follows the rim of the caldera. Very wild country in every way.
http://www.skimountaineer.com/ROF/NorAm/Valles/VallesCalderaMap.jpg

Clarence was a pure wonderment.......

Tina hits her stride as a young girl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KkMSkmx7sM

My attitude has always been that "Big Bang" and "Let There Be Light" had a lot in common and that after that we were on our own. Every once in a while you get lucky and get a small peek at the complexity and have the feeling you should say something about it like, "nice work", but other than that, I can be patient for any possible eventuality.

it's turtles......all the way down.......

--robt ringer

i first hoid it from ringer......hawking.....

from wiki
The most widely known version appears in Stephen Hawking's 1988 book A Brief History of Time, which starts:

“ A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"[1] ”

It is possible that the lady's comment came after Russell's 1927 lecture Why I Am Not a Christian. In it, while discounting the First Cause argument intended to be a proof of God's existence, Russell comments:

“ If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject."

" In 1997, the owners of the the Baca Ranch, which encompassed most of the Valles Caldera, approached the U.S. government and offered to sell the land. After two years of negotiations, the White House reached an agreement to buy the 95,000 acre ranch for $101 million to permanently protect as national preserve lands. ......... "
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/valles.htm

Baca Ranch - This is what was left of a series Spanish land grants in southern Colorado and Northern New Mexico. The Baca family owned most of that big fat mountain I put up the other day. I never researched them as much as I should have, but there's one hell of a story there.
Baca in New Mexico is like Byrd in Virginia.

Jamie----take a look at some of that nice work,,,spectacular!!

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/universe/tv-listings/288034

Valle Grande in the Valles Caldera, New Mexico - March 2000

A QuickTime™ enabled web browser is necessary to view the panorama.

http://homepage.mac.com/davidneal/Panorama.html

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forgot to tell u to click the photo button

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-178005

STurgeone

Without that tortoise there couldn't be any stories from Discworld

http://www.amazon.com/Pratchett-Diskworld-books-1-15/lm/1B29G95A3P54Z

Beautiful Solarcrete. The Hubble site is a great place to visit for that sort of thing.

http://hubblesite.org/gallery/

CBob - New Mexico has always been one of my favorite states except during summer.

The mesas where the bomb was born, and Los Alamos with the caldera and the Jemez mountains above .........

http://www.solarviews.com/raw/volc/valles3.gif

And above Alamagordo - Cloudcroft

http://www.cloudcroft.net/

and the historic Lodge

http://www.thelodgeresort.com/

Jamie -
New Mexico has the best 2 lane black top factor of any state. Their 2 lane black tops can't be beat. Always an eye full . Atom bombs to Indians, they pretty much covered it all.

If i ever quit doing what i have to be doing here, i hope to resume doing it somewhere in new mexico....I'm going to start from Mosquero and fan out to find a good place......

If I dont have to go to nova scotia, I mean.......

or Alberta...

Pissed Off Patricia (POP) used to hang out here. She has a great blog of her own and has written a Prayer of Thanksgiving from Sarah Palin

http://morning-martini.blogspot.com/2008/11/sarah-palin-says-thanksgiving-grace.html

Fun read.

Jamie thanks----that Hubble site is awesome
I think that you gave it to me before,,,i booked it this time

"If I dont have to go to nova scotia, I mean.......
or Alberta..."

sturge, i bet you're one of those people who tell exciting stories on a crowded elevator and then get off before the punch line.

must feed craig his word for the day:

caboodle

btw, where is our gracious host?

patd.......well, there's that.....and there's always the old fart-and-look-at-the-other-guy bit.........

and if you're a purist, the word is "boodle"

craig and helen surely can work this gang into their manuscript

http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/

Sturge, Were you serious about moving to New Mexico some day?

Patsi, I saw the picture of your granddaughter this morning, and I think I forgot to tell you how beautiful she is. But I guess you already know that. :)

the bulk of my record collection was boint to useless globs and goops last week.......a fire ravaged my archive #3 and destroyed right around 3000 pristine (mostly Goodwill finds).......LP record albums, and the wooden drawers I made for their proper housing........I was going to use them as an entree to some far north radio station as a traveling Disc-Jockey slash town moo-jician.......an important function in ANY reputable town far from the likes of Saskatoon...........

reminds me of the burning of Danny's other house in Tortilla Flats........

A few days ago, Flatus, Jamie and I talked about Retired generals and Government contracting.
One that I was aware of because he worked for HNTB and hsa been one of the wifes competitors, is Barry McCaffery, probaly one of the biggest and most successful whores in the business.

This NY times article is very good.

One Man’s Military- Industrial-Media Complex

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/washington/30general.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-177988

Ironically, the accession of Queen Mary I following the death of her half-brother, the teen-aged Edward VI, and the deposing of her cousin Lady Jane Grey, "the Nine Days Queen," was greeted by the people of England with mass jubilation. How quickly things changed.

interesting op piece in wapo by the self described multi-racial hispanic-american writer, marie arana
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/28/AR2008112802219.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-178024

Sturge

ouch,

"reminds me of the burning of Danny's other house in Tortilla Flats........"

sturge, did st francis cause your fire too?

sturge, were you going to be a dj like chris at kgbh in cicely? our town, northern exposure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTaexm5TuKQ&feature=related

Patd

Interesting WAPO opinion piece. But that is all I'm going to say as it is obvious that many in here prefer to use the old categories.
My head is just beginning to heal from all the blows from the last time I broached the subject.

Jack

right now I have to attend a masqued ball so that the beer does not disappear.........

oh and Eric von Zipper, Tommy Kirk, Annette, and Buster Keaton are in the same movie on TCM

pat......there was room amongst all that stuff for a rollaway bed......no heat, no coolers......a transient could escape the extreme cold in there and not alert the raise-hell part of things......so i sense that since a transient was taking advantage of the space, and remembering what I was like when I was a transient, there's no point in belaboring what was basically a good idea but did not work out.......

"a fire ravaged my archive #3 and destroyed right around 3000 pristine (mostly Goodwill finds).......LP record albums....."

OMG! Sturge -- that's terrible!

Ivy

Lady Jane Grey only 17 at the time of her death is considered the original source for the term, "Nine Day Wonder". At least Anne Boleyn got a thousand

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b2greyladyjane.htm

A good place for the various head removals during this tiem period

http://www.castles.me.uk/executions-beheading-tower-of-london.htm

&^*#$ typekey!

Can't seem to comment using my sign in.

Hi gang.. just felt like sharing today... these are pix of my daughters.. i'm one proud mum..

http://www.kodakgallery.ca/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=221791183112&page=1&upload_count=1

Jess is the one in the green dress and Nikki is the one in the dark blue (last picture). Mr Tylenol is (unbeknownst to him) in the pic with Nikki. Hope the link works, it's Kodakshare

Patsi-----just got back ------and saw Chloe's post about some picture of Maria-------she is a beuty alright----looks to me like she is waving saying hi Solar.-

In case you haven't quite finished your holiday shopping, you might want to pick up one of these baubles

http://www.oddee.com/item_88021.aspx

Gives new meaning to, "More money than brains".

ty, no show on kodak. they must be a subsidiary of typekey. too bad, bet your family looks terrific.

Well poop. ah well.

trying again..

http://www.kodakgallery.ca/ViewSlideshow.action?&collidparam=855481183112.221791183112.1228085437697

testing, one two three...

sturge, hope there weren't too many memories attached to what went up in flames. i remember reading about gene kelly losing all his memorabilia -- including irreplaceable pix, academy award, legion of honor etc-- when fire did in his home a few years ago. sometimes a thing like that feels like you've lost pieces of your life.
sincerest condolences

Patd----thank you for the W.Post article-------it is very good,and i will follow Marie Arana's articles now

So we don't have the first Black President-----we have the first Mixed racial president-----but then again is this news---we new it all the time,,,,but i do understand the black pride----if he had been half latin,,,we would have the same reaction of pride.

I enjoyed the article for another reason also----Her DNA test ia a small example of the truth------in all of us is the DNA that proves to me the out of Africa Theory.

post yours link again---it's that good

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/28/AR2008112802219.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Marie Arana Writes---
Our multiracial identity was brought home to me a few months ago when I got my results from a DNA ancestry lab. I thought I was a simple hemispheric split -- half South American, half North. But as it turns out, I am a descendant of all the world's major races: Indo-European, black African, East Asian, Native American. The news came as something of a surprise. But it shouldn't have.

Mutts are seldom divisible by two.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-178035

Jamie,

Thanks for that link. I will be spending some time perusing it! Tudors and Stuarts are fascinating subjects...

Maria Arana said a mouthful. I would like to tweak her article by saying that, while some people need to give her article special attention, there are plenty who already know what she's talking about.

After growing up in the 50's and 60's in the midwest, and finally settling in California in the 90's, I have become increasingly flummoxed at identifying ethnic "divisions", in that Asians and Hispanics and Native Americans are indistinguishable, and for very good reason.

In fact, the son of a very good friend married a Japanese woman. They have a daughter who "looks" very Japanese, except that she looks like her caucasian father especially about the eyes. Her Asian eyes are the spitting image of her white-bread dad's.

After the last census I saw a report on the news about college students who have formed 'clubs' for those whose ancestry is so mixed they don't know how to identify themselves on applications. I find this quite amusing and like to imagine the consternation among racists the world around - they obviously don't understand the facts of life.

Personally I like the variety of skin and hair colors, but have to admit that it's probably good that one day we'll all be tan. I've even identified the specific color of tan that I would choose, but hey - it doesn't really matter, does it ,as long as we stop killing each other.

"as long as we stop killing each other."

And if we are all the same color that will stop?

Tell that to the Crips and the Bloods.

:-)

Jack

Jack - no, I doubt it will stop the killing, but it might slow it down. At least there will be one fewer reason for the killing, and that's a possible starting point.

Is "one fewer reason" a valid use of words??????????
I tried to put it differently, but my brain refuses to think about it.

Sturg -

Bummer .

There was a potter that got himself a ranch house in the north end of the San Luis Valley. He went into Salida one day, and lighting hit the house. The only things he had left was a chain saw, and his Jeep pick-up.

Fire has a way of eating human knowledge, and effort that's always bothered me. 15 min. your whole world is gone.

Bethy

Saturday, Missouri and Kansas had their border war foot ball game. They have it here in chiefs stadium. Before, they have had random parking for the fans but because of fights last year they divided the stadium seats and the parking lot into MU and KU fans. That was just a football game. think if they felt a true grievance against each other. I think it is human to form in groups and self identify even to the point of violence with that group.

Jack

Well all those words are due tomorrow.

tonyb39...

Me deepest condolences to you and your mom over the loss of Pepper. I'm sure Pepper is in dog heaven romping and playing just like he\she did as a puppy.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

Here's one more word in case it's needed -
transubstantiation

1215 The Fourth Lateran Council closed, under Innocent III. It was this council that made first official use of the term "transubstantiation," with reference to the Eucharist (Lord's Supper).

Sturg ----sorry about the fire

Susan Rice as UN ambassador.
Napolitano will be named as his Secretary of Homeland Security
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to be his secretary of state

When will Obama be picking the commies we were all promised ?

If you like to bake (Sheila and others) why not take a picture of your creation and send it in? You could win something pretty cool! Go here for details:

http://www.johnmayer.com/blog

Well I see that typekey sucks again. It seems that I lost my key and typekey won't give it back to me. At least not on the last comment I left above.

Lets see if it shows up this time or not.

Well I got to use the captcha id now since typekey refuses to give me my key back.

Craig if your out there can you see if there is anything you can do about this. Last time this happened you ended up being the one to fix this issue for me.

Thank you and ...

God Bless.

anon-paranoid

Sturg, what a terrible thing to happen. Made me think of the sick feeling I had when I realized that someone had stolen my ancient Leica.

"Well all those words are due tomorrow"

C-Bob -- if Craig and Helen go by my publishing rules, "due in December" means Dec. 31st...not the 1st....lol

Speaking of God Bless

My favorite user of the phrase

Red Skelton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uICFrjXIgpY

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-178054

anon paranoid
Thanks for your kindness! I love the idea of a doggie heaven,if it exists I'm sure Pepper is peeing on a bush right now! No pun intended,not that President Bush doesn't deserve it! HA

Hello in there

John Prine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QmU4VyYos

When My mother went into the hospital last December and stayed there for two months, I did think she would last more than a few months, let alone make it to the holiday season. So yesterday we were truly blessed that my mother was at the thanksgiving table. I think she is looking better than she has in several years. My sister said she has even started reading again something she hadn't done for several years.

Jack

Jack---that sounds pretty good-about your mother-large family?------my mom is still around---she was 93 last nov,,,the doc says she is in better shape than he is--she uses a walker to move around but,,still pretty sharp-----sometimes pretends to not hear anyone so she can get a little more attention,,and or deny she heard something

Took out 3 tomatoes from the crawl space---have only 6 left from the garden-in the dark they didn't ripen too fast----I think that I will also try green tomatoes next year----understand that they have less acid in them?

Going to post this before key pad eats it up

Jesus-Cont--

It was only after the disappearance of Jesus' body form the tomb that his apparent lack of messianic power came to be understood. A number of disciples began to have visions, which made hem realize hat the usual test of messiahship-victory ---did not apply to Jesus. Inspired by their visions, they took the important but not entirely unprecedented step of arguing that Jesus death didn't prove he was another false messiah, rather, it proved that God had provided the Jews with another climactic opportunity to show themselves worthy of the covenant. Jesus would return if people repented for doubting him and asked God's forgiveness. There is no reason to suppose that this reinterpretation of the significance of Jesus'death led at once to rejection of the military and political import of his messiahship. Much evidence supports the view argued persuasively by Professor Brandon to expect a messiah who would overthrow Rome and make Jerusaem the capital of the Holy Jewish Empire. At the outset of he Acts of Apostles, which is Lukes account of what happened after Jesus killed , the political significance of jesus' return is uppermost in the minds of the Apostles. The first question they put to the risen Jesus is: "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel" Another New Testament source, the Book of Revelations, depicts the returning Jesus as a many_crowned rider on a white horse who judges and makes war, who has eyes as "a flame of fire", wears a garment "dipped in blood", and rules the nation with "a rod of iron,," and who returns to "tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty".

There is also some convergent evidence on this point from the Dead Sea Scrolls. I said a moment ago that the idea of messiah returning form the dead was not unprecedented . The Dead Sea Scrolls refer to a "teacher of righteousness" who is killed by his enemies but returns to fulfill the messianic task. Like the Quamranites, the first Jewish Christians organized themselves into a commune while awaiting the return of their “teacher of righteousness/” The acts if the Apostles' states-------All that believed were together and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and parted them among all, according as any man had need.....Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things sold and laid them down at the apostles' feet

It is of considerable interest that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain prescriptions for establishing communities of penitent Jews in the cities to be organized along he same communistic lines. This is additional evidence that the Quamran militants and the Jewish Christians were either responding in similar ways to similar conditions or were actually aspects or branches of one and the same military-messianic movement. As i indicated at the beginning of this chapter . The image of Jesus as the peaceful messiah was probably not perfected until after the fall of Jerusalem. During the interval between Jesus' death and the writing of the first gospel, the ground-work for a cult of peaceful messianism was laid by Paul.But those for whom Jesus was primarily a Jewish military-messianic redeemer dominated the movement throughout the period of expanding guerrilla activity leading up to the confrontation of 68 a.d. The practical setting in which the gospels were written-gospels which depict a purely peaceful and universal messiah-was the after math of the unsuccessful Jewish war against Rome. A purely peaceful messiah became a practical necessity when the generals who had just defeated the Jewish messianic revolutionaries-Vespasian and Titus-became the rulers of the Roman Empire. Before that defeat, it had been a practical necessity for the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem to remain loyal to Judaism. After that defeat, the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem could no linger dominate the Christian communities in other parts of the empire, least of all those Christians who lived in Rome at the sufferance of Vespasian and Titus. In the aftermath of the unsuccessful messianic war, it quickly became a practical necessity for Christians to deny that their cult had arisen out of the Jewish belief in a messiah who was going to topple the Roman Empire.

The Jerusalem commune was led by a trumvirate called “the pillars” in the acts of the Apostles, consisting of James, Peter, and John. Among these, James, identified by Paul las “the Lord's Brother ((precise genealogical connection unknown) soon emerged as the preeminent figure. It was James. It was to Paul's advantage, given his overseas constituency, to underplay the privileged role to be allocated to the children of Israel in the Holy Jewish Empire, It was also to his advantage to ignore the worldly military and political components in Jesus' messianic mission. But Paul's ecumenical innovations created a strategic problem that he was never able to solve. Inevitably it brought him into deeper conflict with James and the Jerusalem communards, since the survival of the Jerusalem Christians depended on their ability to maintain their standings as bona-fide Jewish patriots. In order to survive amid the various factions involved in the escalating war with Rome, it was essential that James continue to worship in the Jerusalem temple and that his followers maintain an image of devotion to Jewish law. Their faith in Jahweh's covenant had been increased, not diminished, by their belief that Jesus would soon reappear.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/weekend-roundup-1.html#comment-178066

She made such a big deal about supporting the troops and sending her oldest child to Iraq blah blah blah, but she is supporting a man who called Max Cleland a coward.

Yep Nothing like voting ones values.

"Values" are such an up-and-down thing.

Jack - I don't disagree with you at all. I guess my point is that skin color is one of the easiest ways to self-identify, and it could possibly help to get rid of at least one factor that causes rivalry. Humans being what we are I don't expect us to ever stop the killing, barring the use of lobotomies, or even then........

Will this post?

tt

OK, at last, I'm back in business. It wouldn't post for a day or so there.

My point is, as predicted, now that the election's over there are fewer folks here. But there are more than a year ago.

What do we think will happen after the inaugural?

tt

Tiptoe - I suspect we will watching every minute of every day for some announcements that will show us how they mean to go on - it won't be speculation any more. It will be official action, and we'll start soon after that in discussing whether we like it or not, and if ut will work.

If congress doesn't get something done pretty quickly, too, there will be outcries, and Nancy Pelosi will be in very deep trouble.

There might be an up-swing in the markets, unless the right-wingers want to try to make Obama look bad.

Those are my guesses, altho I bet there are better ones to be made.

Good morning all. Have been checking in here sporadically, couldn't find the original post about Struges' fire, only know he lost a sizable record collection.
Sturge- Sorry to hear of your troubles, I hope you are all right and still have a roof over your head.

Just finished watching Fred Claus- love Vince Vaughn. Anyways, they finished the movie with Israel Kamakawiwo'ole's Somewhere Over The Rainbow. Last week when we were listing our favorite songs, that instantly bring one to another place. I thought of listing that song and then changed my mind- Somewhere over the rainbow by Kamakawiwo'ole?! Everyone knows Judy Garland owns that song. Well, they only played a few lines at the end of the movie but those few lines immediately brought me to a mindset filled with a tender loveliness, sweetness and hopefulness. So I'm adding that to my previous list. Kamakawio'ole? Go ahead laugh but I'm sticking with my story!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A2Jt4WOxN8

all's right with the world again. the match is on!

""We can't allow events around the world to deter us, to be afraid to play." He is clearly desperate for England to return and the ECB would then be well placed to use the enhanced ­goodwill between the two boards.

Haroon Lorgat, the chief executive of the ICC, yesterday called for England's tour to continue. Whatever the make-up of the England team that returns to India they are likely to be greeted as heroes. The country is ­desperate not to become like Pakistan, which has not hosted international cricket for a year."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/nov/30/englandcricketteam-englandinindia200809

"filled with a tender loveliness, sweetness and hopefulness"

oldsea, not laughing at all... posted iz earlier this thread myself.

or the thread before... lost in the threads of time.

Hey Patd, I do love that song. "or the thread before... lost in the threads of time." sure happens. Every time I've seen a recipe and didn't have the time to add it to my TM recipe file,it takes me a couple of hours to go back to find it later!

NBC Exec: Obama's Skin Color Gives Him More Legitimacy Than Any American Leader In History
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/11/30/nbc-exec-obamas-skin-color-gives-him-more-legitimacy-any-american-lea

And for contrast-NOW CNN Warns That we 'Barely Know' Obama?
NBC Exec: Obama's Skin Color Gives Him More Legitimacy Than Any American Leader In History

oldsea, new thread