Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Yipee is it me...

Another word to help CC get to his goal of 70,000 -

Parsimony

Craig....
Turn on the fire place? How about put on the log... opps Florida Boy.

Lets hope the intelligence brief was not that bad - but as we already discussed - Obama's eyes are wide open in his new world and it must be a heavy weight.

And to put the video of Nov 5th FOX trash up again... Come now.... Those reports are part of the set up of today’s piece – and earlier post here.

But the Daily Show and SNL were great.

After all Sarah may have learned from the master --- Control the Words just words... fool me once!

As it is not the candidates that are not the bright ones.

" Democrat Mark Begich, who trailed Stevens by more than 3,200 votes to start the day Wednesday, jumped to an 814-vote lead as state officials resumed their count of early and absentee ballots. The tally late Wednesday was 132,196 to 131,382, with an estimated 30,000 ballots remaining to be counted, some on Friday and some next week."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIFF00DjwVw_yFN4MkHDk3-mC9bQD94DU5C00

From CNBC this morning -

"Zombie Economy"

Thousands of Colombians have taken part in violent protests to demand the return of money invested in disreputable financial schemes.

In some cities, police used batons and tear gas to control angry investors.

Protesters took on riot police and rampaged through city centres as a series of pyramid schemes collapsed across the country.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/13/2418999.htm?section=justin

" Democrat Mark Begich, who trailed Stevens by more than 3,200 votes to start the day Wednesday, jumped to an 814-vote lead as state officials resumed their count of early and absentee ballots."

Great news, anon...

and Bethy -- good news about the little owl, too!

Patsi,

I haven't wanted a gov job since 1974, when a convention failed to choose me as their candidate. That gave the other guy the joy of trying to run away from richard nixon, while trying to run for the House. 1974 was not a nice year for republican candidates, as nixon hung onto them like the tar baby. Kind of like 2006.

Anywhat, if Big Brother babybush wants to waste the taxpayers' dollars digging up my name, so be it. I'm a sick old man who isn't afraid of the torturers' dogs. Like John Hancock, I'm happy to defy the tyrant.

Anon - Who knew that Glenn Turner was in Columbia now?

Shows the power of words just words vs Facts, just the facts please.....

Hanky Pank rushed us into a plan --that he now says won't work... gee who could have predicted.

" I'm a sick old man who isn't afraid of the torturers' dogs. "

Ha -- I understand, x....

Yet, here’s what Palin tells Van Susteren:

"It [Alaska] is not like other states where perhaps the oil company actually owns all the resources underground and they're the ones that solely benefit from development. Here in Alaska we partner with the oil industry.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/tundra-talk/1-talk-of-the-tundra/297-does-palin-understand-alaskas-oil-industry.html

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More proof that Palin knows almost zero about energy, where it comes from, or how the world gets.

KGC.. I liked the plan that found its way directly to the individual with the need and helped to fix the Number one issue that caused this cascade.

If I recall this was more of the Hillary / McCain plan.

Patsi - are you doing a marathon?

paulson belongs behind bars. So do many of the criminals he's been bailing out. While I'm on the topic, does anyone know of anyone in the bushcheney gang who doesn't belong in the max facility, ADX Florence ?

Ping -
The Almond Joy Rule :

Some days I try to follow a tangent , some days I don't.

Anon - yup'rs that thar was a non biased link. Thank's for a shar'n it that didn't put no spin or creativiti on to it's conclusion.... heck why confuse "Tax" with Lease with Rights.... Heck at the end of the day who cares how the money comes as long as it comes...

Oh.. And top of the morning to ya

I do like your passion for everything energy~

xrepublican -

30 days in the hole.

For those that do not know about the invincible Glenn Turner - No relation to Ted - you better Dare to be Great !!! It aren’t to late...

You will get a little more of the color and history of one of the Characters from Craig’s home town.

Xrep

Heckuva job Hanky! Paulson is good at the internecine battles of Goldman Sachs (and Wall St) but not good at public policy.

Ping
The Clinton plan and the McCain plan either one would have been better than the wasteful and stupid Paulson plan
Haven't heard much from Senator Shelby --wonder what he has to say thes days/

So all the GOP Governors are in Florida today. Well one of the other parts of a diverse and inverse state – the farther south you go the less it is.

Charlie’s new politically correct Hottie pictured with him – he needs some revival for many of us in Florida – Maybe the National Stage will take him?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-crist1308nov13,0,2376698.story

What you need to keep in mind is that buying up toxic assets was the raison d’être of the Paulson plan. It's why Congress gave him the $700 billion. It's what the TARP (the Troubled Asset Relief Program) mentioned above refers to. He had to have it he said or the financial system would collapse. Even at the time he was warned by many that it was a supremely bad idea, and after kicking it around for nearly two months, he now agrees but makes it sound like he had questions about it from the beginning. He didn’t. This typifies the Paulson style: absolute confidence coupled with a refusal to address or even acknowledge core problems. He dithers, gets it wrong, and even when he stumbles or is pushed in the right direction he embraces a solution that is totally inadequate. In other words, Paulson is very much part of the problem, not part of the solution. His leadership wastes time and money we do not have.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1693

"Patsi - are you doing a marathon?"

Feels like it, Ping. The dog got me up in the night once again. And he prowled around outside for what seemed like an eternity. He's just lucky that I had this place to read and comment...because otherwise I'd have just gone back to bed and let him sleep on the cold porch the rest of the night!

Ping -
There is no bias in the quote , Palin thinks that Alaska is different, it's not. Oil companies don't own land, or the minerals under that land. They lease it, and pay royalties on the production.

"Is it too much to ask that our leaders understand the fundamentals of oil leasing, taxing and ownership, both in Alaska and the rest of the country?"

Any official who wastes $700 B!LL!ON of public money by tossing it to the same bankers who have shown themselves to be utterly irresponsible and guileful deserves more than 30 days in the hole. He deserves 10 years in the psych ward of the hospital prison at Rochester on anti-psychotic meds.

Talk about 'tax and spend' and 'picking winners and losers', these republicans make LBJ and Jimmy Carter seem like pillers of fiscal prudence and free enterprise.

Anon -

The method of collection and the rule of law is different. I see leasing vs taxing vs..... as a difference, maybe a fine point but none the less a variant.

Xrep -

Do not just throw in the worker- make sure to include the master mind (master mind is a gross overstatement for the following)

Nancy P, Harry R, Barney F... and all the complacent ones. afterall they along with many others hand the hands on the wheel also that drove our economic car into the ditch.

Failed fiscal policy - how soon we forget

mornin' all.

Well, I see Alaska is supplying us with topics of conversation again. Palin, of course, shows she's an idiot again. Interesting definitionof partnership - you (oil company) pay taxes and royalties to the state for oil (or gas or coal for that matter) taken from state land, and you pay taxes on oil (or gas or coal for that matter) taken from private land, and that's different from other states, where you pay taxes and royalties to the state for oil (or gas or coal for that matter) taken from state land, and you pay taxes on oil (or gas or coal for that matter) taken from private land. But wait, that sounds the same - and it is.Oh, I see, Alaska gives its residents CHECKS from the taxes and royalties paid to the stae. NOW I see. And she wants to be president, criticizing all those socialists? Good god.

And let's hope Ted "I paid every bill I got (wink, wink)" Stevens continues to fall behind Begich. I just hope Begich doesn't have buddies in the construction business who've renovated his house. too.

Evidently Sarah isn't getting a good reception at the Governor's conference...what I'll bet is this -- she will campaign to head up the evangelical side of the Republican party -- and that will split them right down the middle. You should be cheering her on, Pogo! ha!

Okay -- you want to talk dumb. Pawlenty talking about campaigning for Reagan and getting spit on by hippies. Uh -- were hippies running rampant in 1980?

Leasing and taxing are two different sources of revenue and are dependent on who owns the land (more properly the mineral rights). If the land is private, the lease is between the landowner and teh mineral co., who pays royallties and/or lease payments to the owner and taxes to the state. If the land is public, the state (fed or state, depending on whose land it is) gets all three sources of payment, depending upon how the lease is structured. e.g. companies enter into leases that they never drill on, and pay only lease payments to the owner, drill on it and they pay the lease payments plus royalties to the owner and taxes to the state on the minerals they take out. States often offset the royalties and taxes against the lease payments for their own land. Alaska's biggest difference is in the amount of oil producing land owned by the state and federal governments.

Anon

lol
From your link

"We tried to find an example elsewhere in the country where a company owns the oil, but came up short."

lol

Try Texas, or Oklahoma. The oil in the ground is almost all privately owned.

What I find amusing about many of the critics are how they are often as ignorant as they accuse Palin of being.
Jack

Pong,

If there is a 'master mind' of this financial fiasco it is Treasury Secretary paulson, with the assistance of bush appointed and republican Senate confirmed FRB Chair, ben bernake, and bush appointed and republican Senate confirmed secretary of commerce, ben gutierrez.

pelosi, frank, and reid are just going along with the republican administration's and john mccain's screwball plan, the way they did with the republicans' Iraq and Afghanistan fiascos. They are play the dopey Lepidus to our republican financial triumvirate.

In Alaska they chose to do the stupid, and short sighted thing. They chose to give everybody a check every year from oil royalties. In Texas, money from oil production on state lands was diverted to the Permanent University Fund. That money built 2 things :
The University of Texas
Texas A&M
( Later on this fund was opened up to other schools. )
Now most of those fields are depleted, but Texas has 2 engines of growth that won't be depleted.

The University of Texas has a talking oil well. Santa Rita #1, the discovery there made the school very very rich. The recording used to say, " Hi I'm Santa Rita #1 ......" . and it would tell the story of the find.

Never walk past it at 3 in the morning when you're really stoned.

Santa Rita #1
"Patron Saint of the Impossible"
http://www.texasbob.com/travel/tbt_santarita.html

Patsi, you're right. You go get 'em Sarah.

Hippies, in '79? There were still a few I'd guess, but I'm betting Pawlenty never saw them at teh U of MN. Sounds good, though, doesn't it? Invoking both Reagan and hippies. Now if he was talking about campaigning for Reagan in the 60s when he ran for governor I might buy it\, but since he would have been 7 years old at the time, I kinda doubt it.

We found living breathing hippies in indiana in 1980.....they were very impressed with the converted school bus in which our band was travelling.....
It was near Gnaw Bone, Indiana somewhere and a couple band guys went down into some caves with them.....

but I never saw them spit on anyone......or act like they would.....they were too laid back......

Jack -
I'm not arguing that oil isn't on private lands, I'm arguing that oil companies don't buy that land, as Palin seems to think. You lease it, you deplete it, and you move on.
That's why oil companies have guys called a "Land Man" . He goes and leases the prospect.

The best advice I ever got was from an old "Land Man"

"What you want to do, is get where a lot of money is changin' hands, and hope some of it sticks to you."

anon.....but then also, you gotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run.....and NEVER count your money while youre sitting at the table cause there'll be time enough for counting when the dealing's done.

"Sounds good, though, doesn't it? Invoking both Reagan and hippies."

ROFL -- true.

Sturg -

I never found that place, but I never forgot that advice.

Spitting hippies :
See Lee Atwater

ScienceDaily (Nov. 13, 2008) — What would happen in California was hit by the Big One? New 3-D animations of a magnitude 7.8 earthquake scenario are now available to the public.*

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081112173629.htm

Good morning-
Here is a video of Rohm Emanuel & the civil service planhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0

I see MSNBC found out that the Palin Africa-Continent
issue turned out to be a hoax. The network says the story wasn't properly vetted. It's one of those front page
shockers and page 16 retractions....

Jack -
Fox reported that nugget first - Carl Camaron.

Jack -
One of my old offices :

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9427/picture2pz9.png

Anon, that may be the case in Texas, but here in the land of Consol, Peabody and Pennzoil, in addition to the leases like you reference - here those are with landowners who would not sell their minerals outright - the companies went through several decades of acquisition where they sent the land men out with severance deeds and purchased all the minerals under the surface, so they actually do own the oil, coal and gas. Even where the companies own the minerals, most of the severance deeds made the minerals subject to royaltiy payments to the surface owner when the minerals are extracted. As you might expect, there are more than a few disputes between surface owners and mineral owners over the extraction of the minerals the companies own or lease. A few years back I was involved in a case where a gas company cleared 12 acres of a 90 acre "farm" (i.e. woods with a house in them) to put 2 gas wells in and service an existing 3rd well. One of the roads they put in - dirt, of course - had a 200' cleared corridor - it looked like they were clearing to put a runway in.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172732

sturg, that's catchy - someone should write a song...

jax, anon, I guess that means that MSNBC is now responsible for publishing retractions for Fox's lies. Damn lib'ral media.

Pogo: Damn right .....I bet maybe if someone could run it by kenny rogers he'd do it in a minute.......he's quite a gambler, I heard.........

Patsi,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172567

I thought so. :-)

For all who took interest in the Great Owl Rescue last night, let us hope that he grows up healthy to look like this

http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/Behavior/Spring2007/Nannes/assets/screech-owl-1.jpg

Patsi,

Healthy people can donate blood until quite old if they are not on medication that interferes with transfusions. Bone marrow donation has risks that make it more hazardous the older you are. I suppose if you were a family member match, you could insist, but they probably won't budge on the rules for the bank
registration.

Pogo -
It's a fine point, Jack doesn't do fine points.

Solar, if you're about -

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172603

Is this the new biology?

sturg - I heard that, too. Must be true. Wonder if Ruby ever took her love to town?

I set the scenario of a 3 way battle to control the poor scraps left by the bush crime family and the prisoner:

1. palin will battle the huckster for control of all the Christian Right's clueless myrmidons, an ever increasing number of whom are 'going walkabout.'
The huckster wins this contest because their god tells them that a woman should not be 'the head.' The huckster knows his only chance to be 'the head' will depend upon having a running mate with sound credentials from one of the other 2 wings of the party.
Therefore sarah gets thrown under the bus.

2. tim pawlenty, aka Governor Potholes Aplenty, will rassle with willard romney for the heartless and souless of the Mammonist wing of the party. romney has an advantage in being rich as Croesus, and being very attractive to the party members who hate Mexicans. Unfortunately, for him, he is also a Latter Day Saint, and therefore hated by Protestants bigots. Pawlenty's advantage is his Catholic apostacy (now Methodist like babybushcheney), boyish goodlooks, hockey credentials, and an utterly ruthless ambition.

3. The bloodthirsty neoconnunist conquerors of Iraq, Afghanistan, and American Airports have Julie Annie to lead them - despite his embarrassing red dress and untidy sex life. If Hadley or Bolton could gain some name-recognition, one of them might be able to loosen Julie Annie's grip on this particular savage horde. newsmax is the key to winning that name recognition, so the candidate who throws the most prostitutes across dick morris' and compamy's path will probably win.

Craig...same with Al Gore although the "loser" moniker was right out of the republican election trick bag. Gore almost looked relieved not to take the job and seems to be having a blast with fame and money since he was elected prez (but did not serve). Gore sure seemed like a square peg that would not fit into the round presidential hole.

Obama's hair will get grayer now that he has seen the truth. It must be horrifying.

Pogo....yup yup.....sad case.......after Ruby took her love to town and Lucille picked a fine time to leave him he took to drink and before long was the coward of the whole county......

This movie shows a view of southern California with the seismic waves radiating outward from the fault as the rupture propagates towards the northwest along the San Andreas fault.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/nca/simulations/shakeout/

One hell of an animation, the quake starts out by the Salton Sea.

and Dolly was just an island in the stream.

xrep...I like you post...add a number 4

ouija branch who are still channeling Ronald Reagan

Craig....
well I remember posting on this blog about a month ago that every time I saw Obama on the teevee he made me think of that old cliche..... be careful what you wish for...... bet he's finding out it's true......

finally made my last shipment to various galleries this morning....... phew..... glad that's done and over...... now I have to rebuild an inventory..... oh joy!..... time to play with color!.....

Palin reminds me of Aimee Semple McPhearson, the question is when will she disappear from Venice Beach ?

A world famous icthyologist, Weldon Eou, converted to the PETA philosophy recently, and then suddenly died of a heart attack. The scientist's last will and testament left his vast collection of sea creatures to his only child, Amy. The trouble was that all the fish had been released into the lake, including a swarm of dangerous morays, which began to propagate at a popular swimming beach. The local authorities immediately demanded that Amy drop everything and 'fix' the problem created by her icthyologist father. Fixing would have been difficult enough had Amy not been 34 weeks pregnant and about to release her own, personal swarm.

The moral of the story is, "Eou picked a fine time to leave me loose eels."

Mr. Obama made a lot of promises. People from both the left and the right are going to be watching very carefully to see if he delivers. It appears that the economy is going to trump everything else and if he doesn't get that moving his entire agenda will be in trouble.

That said, he does have the excellent excuse that every time things don't work out as planned, he can blame the failed policies of George Bush. They screwed things up so bad that it is going to take more time than expected to fix everything.

. . . that is what we are. . .

The sooner you guy stop fixating on Palin the sooner she disappears. Stop your hand wringing she didn't get elected. Better to worry about Joe Biden. I bet Obama's transition team is scoping out all of Cheney's undisclosed locations so they can park Biden there so he doesn't talk to the press and go off message.

Anon,

Aimee Semple McPherson could speak in complete sentences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GXoBjuQ9Zo

When there's a thing on the reef,
with big shiny white teeth -

That's a Moray ...

But like so many others on this blog:

"I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."

The Dude abides.

It appears that Anon did:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172761

Jamie -
Still hand wringing over the USGS animations of the Big One rolling through the Cajon Pass. These are amazing.

Aimee is one of my favorite cons, I'll check it out, as soon as I finish destroying downtown L.A.

When the Big One goes through the Cajon Pass the ground will move upward as much as 10ft. at 6 ft. per second.

Talk about a Bad Day at Black Rock.

Sarah gets far less applause from the Republican power brokers that she did from the right wing sheeple they led to the slaughter

Anon

If in LA at the time, I hope I'm at my friend's home in Woodland HIlls. Their swimming pool would flood the house again like it did in the last major 7.1 and require all new carpets and the driveway would be a mess, but it looks as if the rock the house sits on will hold firm while destruction reigns around them.

Pogo, Anon
You're missing the point on the MSNBC vetting story. The issue isn't Palin. It's the press and their vetting process. It consisted entirely of receiving and e-mail from someone they considered reputable.
Any pragmatic individual would see this as just another significant failing of the press. The fact that you both don't have an issue speaks volumes.

Sweetie assures me that Dr. Eou's dughter's name is Mia. So:

Eou took a fine time to leave mia loose eels. oi.

Thanks Blonde wino ! I forgot all about those Spiritualist republicans who belong to Nancy Reagan's Wicca.

"Bone marrow donation has risks that make it more hazardous the older you are. I suppose if you were a family member match, you could insist, but they probably won't budge on the rules for the bank
registration."

I expect you are right, Jamie. But if by some miracle, this turns out to cure AIDS -- I'd fight for the right to give bone marrow if it was needed by someone. And in that case, I would hope they'd relax the rules.

sturge, bow and xrep -- you are all on a roll this morning....:)

What's sarah palin's take on the vital Harry Potter issue ?

I just went and read some of last night's entries. As an athist ex-presbyterian current member of a catholic parish, I enjoyed the religious/metaphysical discussions. We are all part of the one. I think I got IT (for those of you who remember North Dallas 40) Now here did Iput that pyramid?

Jack -
That's why I never watch Fox, and why I keep fresh batteries in my bullshit detector .

Anon,
Fox, MSN, CNN whats the difference. None can be trusted as has been demonstrated. If it's working for you to ignore the faults of some then by all means....keep it going....laughs

The vetting -- or not -- of stories is what I was talking about yesterday. Some fool throws a story out there and a bunch of fools buy it, and suddenly, the truth matters not. It disgusts me whether it's BS thrown at a Democrat OR a Republican. Because as a people we just keep getting dumber.

Jack -
A thought experiment :

2 Trillion dollars of mutual fund wealth has been wiped out this year.

But on a board on the net I read someone claiming that his market wealth has increased by 12 % this year.

Do I believe him ?

Patsi,
Don't waste your breath. As you can see the group think mentality rules here. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. If it supports their postion it must be true...if not its a lie....vetting is just an inconvenience.

"What's sarah palin's take on the vital Harry Potter issue ?"

And that story is one of the BS ones to which I refer. The accusation was that in 1996 Palin tried to get about a hundred books banned, including:

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling

Never mind that the first Harry Potter book was not published until 1997.

jax, I get the impression that the fact that Palin was the victim was more important to you than the fact that the story was bogus. And speaking of speaking volumes, the fact that you're calling on only the "progressive" media outlet to issue the correction for a story it repeated after the "conservative" media outlet failed to vet speaks volumes. I'm not aware of any instance where one media outlet issued a retraction for a story broken by another media outlet who got it wrong when the 2nd outlet was using the first as their source fot the story. I expect that Hannity will also call on MSNBC to issue a retraction on H&C tonight.

Anon,
My own retirement accounts went up 12% so far this year. I sat in money market all year until mid October. I bumped in and out twice since then and I'm getting ready to buy again today. So yes I absolutely believe it has been done. If I had timed the trades better my returns would have been 23% just since mid October.

I put most of the Palin-stories in the same category as the Obama-is-a-Muslim crap.

If she really wanted to capitalize on her position now, she really would follow Aimee Semple McPherson's lead, and start a TV evangelistic church. She'd be a media star, end up a gazillionaire, and still have political clout.

But I'd like to see her stay and keep the Republicans split up.

Jack -
You and Patsi can always join Palin's Mensa group.

"jax, I get the impression that the fact that Palin was the victim was more important to you than the fact that the story was bogus. "

I don't know what jax thinks, Pogo. But I can't stand the bogus stories that the press allows to grow no matter who it is about. And this season there were a lot thrown in her direction.

For those of you near Virginia next week:

Larry Sabato and the UVA Center for Politics are hosting their annual American Democracy Conference next Friday, Nov 21. This is a day long event, but guests are welcome to come and go. Additional information is below. Take a look at the website for this free event here:
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/programs/adc/

Pogo,
Your impression is wrong. I could care less about Palin. The story that I quoted was that MSNBC issed a retraction and that they said they didn't vett it properly.
They got one e-mail and ran with it.

Please take your meds....I want to talk with the professional, thought provoking, pragmatic pogo....let me know when he gets in.

Pogo-

Fox is real big on the retractions in the New York Times.

PALIN POLITICAL BIO
(for immediate release)

Sarah Palin was the warm-hearted but tough-minded reform Mayor of the booming metropolis of Wasilla, a gleaming city near the Russian border. As Mayor, Palin completely reorganized government operations, creating a more humane, but remarkably less intrusive city. By intelligently designing city departments, Palin was able to cut taxes by 89 %.

As Governor of the great state of Alaska, Palin has had a larger palette on which to display her vast talents. in the 23 months since Palin (Guv, as her admirers lovingly address her) took office school children's test scores have risen 53% while crime has dropped to a 223 year low, and the once endangered polar bear has made a great comeback, now that the Alaska's Democrats have all sent to prison.

-30-

Anon -- always back to name calling, huh? And I'll bet you have STERLING academic credentials.

"now that the Alaska's Democrats have all sent to prison. "

ROFL -- actually, I heard an hour show on NPR with an editor who followed her through her career. He said that, while he was not a fan of Palin, she had not brought her religion into her governing and had worked well with Democrats.

And I still think she should become a television evangelist. Serious bucks. She could then outfit the poorly dressed members of the RNC.

Keep in mind the words of that great philosopher, Zorro the Gay Blade: There is no crime in being poor, just in dressing poorly.

Jack _
"My own retirement accounts went up 12% so far this year. I sat in money market all year until mid October. I bumped in and out twice since then and I'm getting ready to buy again today. So yes I absolutely believe it has been done. If I had timed the trades better my returns would have been 23% just since mid October."

Where do I "vet" this story ?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172793

Forgot to add that Craig is going to be a panelist at Larry Sabato's American Democracy conference in Charlottesville next Friday.

Craig - what time is your panel?

I thought the Palin interview (Greta's) was interesting.

When Greta asked her about eating moose and caribou, Palin gave her rationale as something like, "We have a choice of importing beef that's been fed hormones and treated with antibiotics, or harvesting a local natural resource that is thoughtfully and sustainably managed." Also, when talking about killing of wolves, she said that was required to control the number of predators competing for the food resource.

Things are all relative. By that token, I would have been right there helping Bethy with her owl.

She made good sense.

I remember when the animal rights people caused enough fuss that the government stopped using wolf fur on the hoods of our parkas. It was replaced with some synthetic that was really inferior in use to the animal pelt. The G.I. lost in that exchange.

Jax, oh, and your point about "Fox, MSN, CNN what's the difference" is true enough with respect to the lack of vetting charge. But you're assigning blame to one of them and diverting the blame from the one most deserving of blame with "You're missing the point on the MSNBC vetting story." If you want to blame the media, blame the media. If you want to blame the approrpriate upstream outlet in this instance, blame Fox. When I criticize Hannity, I'm criticizing Hannity, not every political commentator out there. When I intend to criticize all of them, I try to make that clear by referring to them as a group. Same for actual news media. If reading what you wrote as you wrote it and taking your meaning from your words is groupthink, I plead guilty.

Again, I won't answer for jax. But my belief is that CNN and MSNBC have changed because of the Fox example. It is conflict television.

Patsi -

I haven't called anyone a name. I just pointed out one of several groups that can appreciate your superior critical thinking skills.

"critical thinking skills"

ROFL. This from the person obsessing on virtual earthquakes.

Patsi....
I've mentioned before that I sit on my local library's board of trustees..... it's a small town library with a very small book budget..... we don't use a cent to buy political books, but will accept them as direct donations....

I've had several so called "progressives" question me as to why we have all of Ann Coulter's books.....

"progressives"....... think Progresso...... hmmmm.... hmmmm.... maybe not quite so good.....

Or Progressive Insurance!

"I've had several so called "progressives" question me as to why we have all of Ann Coulter's books....."

Renee, they're released to the library under "read and reject" rules.

Pogo,
The only story that I saw this morning regarding this was the MSNBC story. I didn't didn't get the memo that I needed to research all other possible stories before
commenting.....

Anon....laughs....that's what is great you don't have to believe it. It's a free country....for a little while longer at least

Is Obama gonna let his girls appear on Hannah Montana?

Renee -- Interesting. And I'm sure they'd be horrified if branded "book banners."

I've long thought that the right wing book sellers catapult their releases to the best seller lists by shipping thousands to libraries and other outlets that can't be truly figured.

Jack -
Bingo, and I don't always believe political stories on cable news either.

"Candidate Role-models Pre-marital Sex"

????

Patsi,
All of the news services have changed. It's no longer taboo to be viewed as a partisan reporter. It's almost a
resume requirement that you openly lean one way or the other. Ethics are boring and a tedious waste of time.....and you know what....most people could care less.

Anon,
I just checked to be sure....2.8% Jan 1 - Oct 12.
8.9% Oct12 - yesterday.

Hear about the two guys who were arguing about which was the more apathetic?

Sturg -
Who cares.

Two maggots fought in dead Ernest.

--Frank Gilbreth, Jr.

What if the next 4 years are horrible, Sarah runs and wins in 2012?

Corey,
If that happens I'd have to assume that we have truly hit rock bottom.

Patsi : "Keep in mind the words of that great philosopher, Zorro the Gay Blade: There is no crime in being poor, just in dressing poorly."

I love it. Shouldn't we presume that the heroic Men in Tights stole clothes from the rich to give to the poor ?

Flatus,
Don't believe the hype. Alaskans eat 'em 'cuz moose taste like heaven, and caribou are luscious. All that 'importing organic beef' malarkey is pure eyewash for arugulavores.

Corey - Stephen Baldwin will move back to the US?

OK, jax, I think we've beaten this one to death a couple times over. Truce?

Corey : "What if the next 4 years are horrible, Sarah runs and wins in 2012?"

If that happens, Mexico will intervene, returning the favor. They'll stop beside his grave and declare,

"Pershing, we are here ! "

"What if the next 4 years are horrible, Sarah runs and wins in 2012?"

(I know that was semi-tongue-in-cheek, Corey....:)

I don't think the next four years are going to be any picnic. I'll be surprised to even see any real health care reform. But neither do I think it will be a failed presidency. From what I've seen so far, Obama is making solid moves.

Sarah Palin will only have the evangelicals behind her. She''ll have Romney, Jindal, Pawlenty and who knows....maybe Gingrich out for her hide. It'll be a bloodbath.

"arugulavores" LOL

Actually, Stephen Baldwin just appeared on Hannah Montana. As a dare from her, he got the initials HM tattoed on himself.

Patsi,

She will hunt them all down by airplane.

Sturg-

You need a rim shot emodicon.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172831

Pats, your mouth (well, fingers) to god's ear.

Pogo,
I agree....wasn't even a good topic....I probably should have just skipped it.....all the best...

And some baggy pants.

He promised to leave the US (mocking his brother Alec I'm sure) if Obama was elected. I may not have contributed to Obama's election coffers, but does Baldwin have a site set up to finance his ticket to somewhere else? I just might send him a buck.

Two maggots fought in dead Ernest.

--Frank Gilbreth, Jr.

Sturg, I wonder who first came up with something like this. I remember in the middle 50s as something like, "Did ya here about the two maggots making love in dead Ernest?"

Probably been variations of that for eons.

jax, issue now put to bed. and now, lunch.

This kind of article irritates hell out of me. It's speculating about whether the Obamas might leave their girls in Chicago with their grandmother. (Supposedly leaked by someone "close to the family.")

Puhleeze. Of course that isn't going to happen. People are running out of stuff to write about.

But even more egregious, the photo shows fans and press clogging the girls school in Chicago and turning it into a zoo. Just sickening. I'll bet at some point Michelle Obama lands on the press like a mother eagle if they don't give her daughters some space.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-13/will-the-obama-kids-stay-in-chicago-with-grandma/

"Also, when talking about killing of wolves, she said that was required to control the number of predators competing for the food resource."

Flatus,

Wouldn't that rationale put human beings at the top of the list?

xr@11:54

"Don't believe the hype. Alaskans eat 'em 'cuz moose taste like heaven, and caribou are luscious." Greta sure cooed over the moose chili.

"All that 'importing organic beef' malarkey is pure eyewash for arugulavores." Any doubt who would win, the arugulavores or the troglodytes?

"Wouldn't that rationale put human beings at the top of the list?"

Jamie, I kind of thought of it more as putting them at the top of the food chain. I did over simplify--I think she also said that DNR monitored the wolf population in order to assure its viability.

The whole wolf/predator question is such a hot button. I despise the idea of hunting the wolves down, but I also understand some of the ranchers issues. I got a feel for a small part of it when I lived several years out at the farm. The coyotes were thick. And I (unfortunately) saw a newborn colt they killed and started to eat....Love coyotes, love horses. A problem.

Don't you remember that South Park, Jamie? They said they could no longer kill for sport, they had to "thin out the population". Besides, if humans could use that rationale on each other... there'd be some serious trouble. I have talked to deer hunters. Asked them why they were gonna go out and kill a defenseless animal. They said if they didn't thin out the population, a lot of the deer would starve because there wouldn't be enough food for the deer. BTW, rifle season starts here on the 15th. My old bowling league used to take the week off during the start of rifle season.

Flatus....
nah..... our library is waaaaay too small for the wingnuts to care about....
Coulter's books were donated by a local patron..... I know who donated them....

we also carry all of Al Franken's books...... I donated those.....

hey..... our friend that makes those beautiful birch bark canoes and occasionally spends winters with the Cree in northern Quebec... says that moose nose soup is delicious!.....

Patsi, I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up at the Friends school that other presidential kids have attended.

Conflation -

Conflation occurs when the identities of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some characteristics of one another, become confused until there seems to be only a single identity.

Item #1 -
The original story -
Cameron tells Chicago Tribune columnist Phil Rosenthal, "The people who put this out, and it's senior McCain staff, are now in the cross hairs themselves for attacking the running mate, which by proxy means attacking the ticket they were trying to elect."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/carl_cameron_talksand_so_does_martin_eisenstadt_100412.asp

Item #2 -
The secondary story -
Instead, the duo behind the character that caused MSNBC's David Shuster to report, albeit temporarily, a supposed source of Carl Cameron's story about Gov. Sarah Palin are Eitan Gorlin and Dan Mirvish, two filmmakers who have created an elaborate hoax that has lasted for more than a year.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/martin_eisenstadt_revealed_if_they_were_going_to_be_cowards_then_we_figured_we_may_as_well_step_in_100502.asp

Why does SoetorObama refuse to release these certified hardcopy documents?

"Certified copies of Obama’s Application and Admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School"

Was he an “International Student”? Did he apply and register as an Indonesian or Kenyan citizen?

SoetorObama -- a “foreign exchange student?”

They had a major problem with wild pigs in Michigan. They told hunters they could kill them if they wanted to, no wild pig hunting license was needed. The pigs had been doing serious damage to farmer's crops, not too mention being a dangerous animal.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172840

Either way, it belongs in the "Gag a Maggot" file.

Sturgeone,

I don't suppose that was my great uncle Ernest, who wasn't all that great. He certainly wasn't worth fighting over.

Once, in the wilds of northern Minnesota, great uncle Ernest was cornered by a hungry bear. After pawing at him for awhile, the bear finally said, "Well, there's not much to eat on you, is there?"

Great uncle Ernest confessed, "Pal, I don't even have a cup of coffee on me."

Cleland ad causing problems for Chambliss....excellent!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15561.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172846

Darn I was hoping for a long "finally getting even" hunting season.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/sjclark1967/FarSideDeer.gif

Nor in NYC.

It would seem that Cameron hasn't retracted his story at all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172848

Corey,

Unlike the wolves, human hunters don't thin out the weakest of a herd. They use their man made weapons to go after the strongest (most points)

If hunters used their skill the same way that other predators do, I wouldn't have a problem with them, particularly if they ate the meat.

It is the beautiful head of the multi point buck hanging on the wall that makes me want to turn the gun on the human and mount their heads.

Most all of my Uncles of my Dad's side of the family hunted. It's a little hard to read, but my Uncle Harold was World Champion in the 1952 FS Outdoor Archery competition.

http://www.nfaa-archery.org/depot/history/639-2008915-46-10OutdrChamps2008Update2.pdf.pdf

Easier to read:

http://www.nfaa-archery.org/depot/history/639-2008915-46-10OutdrChamps2008Update2.pdf.pdf

Obama not eligible ... NC Secretary of State, North Carolina Board of Elections, NC Electoral College, November 7, 2008, Class Action Lawsuit, Support and defend Constitution

"There are questions as to where Mr. Obama was actually born, whether in the United States or abroad, and if his birth was subsequently registered in Hawaii. There are further questions regarding Mr. Obama’s United States citizenship, if he ever held such, being expatriated, and his failure to regain his citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance once he turned eighteen (18) years of age. There are additional questions regarding Mr. Obama’s multi-citizenships with foreign countries, which he may still maintain. To date, Mr. Obama has refused to prove he is qualified under the U.S. Constitution and eligible to run for the office of President of the United States despite requests and recent opportunities to do so in Federal Court."

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/obama-not-eligible-nc-lawsuit-donald-sullivan-lt-col-elaine-marshall-nc-secretary-of-state-north-carolina-board-of-elections-nc-electoral-college-november-7-2008-class-action-lawsuit-suppor/

"...human hunters don't thin out the weakest of a herd. They use their man made weapons to go after the strongest... jamie@12:34

Jamie, doesn't that trait apply in human-on-human warrior combat? We kind of planned on eliminating the hierarchy while leaving someone with just enough perceived authority to surrender the survivors.

FWIW, I don't and never have hunted for 'sport'.

Jamie, I know a lot of deer hunters. Many of the do eat their kill. Be it venison jerky or eating it like other meats. I often told hunters, "Go out there with a switchblade and kill the animal. Then, I'll be impressed." My Uncle Larry killed a deer many years ago and had the head mounted. He had it hung on the wall at their house. When I was little, I thought it was cool. I would stand on a small step ladder/stool and pet the head of it. I called him "Buck". I never really thought much about anything else. How or why it had been killed. I just know that I have grown up and met a lot of people who hunt. I don't really get involved in telling them that I think it's cruel. I just don't have it in me to be a hunter. But, that's probably because my Dad never hunted, nor took me hunting. My Uncles hunted and they took their sons hunting.

Flatus,

Didn't that famous Socialist, H.G. Wells, write a book about the Troglodytes and the Arugulavores, set in the very distant future ?

I read it back in the '50s and think it was either a timely novel called The Dime Machine, or a dime novel called The Time Machine. I remember being particlarly fascinated by Yvette Mimieux's bikini(. :>D)<

JACKSON, Wyo. -- Preliminary results of a study by a University of Montana graduate student suggest that lead bullets may be poisoning grizzly bears in the Yellowstone ecosystem.

Tom Rogers sampled blood from 13 grizzlies during hunting season.

He found that nearly half had elevated levels of lead, possibly because the bears had eaten lead bullet fragments in big-game carcasses left behind by hunters.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600ap_wst_grizzlies_lead.html

Still baffled on the bailout.

So, if the credit swaps AIG issued speculate on GM's ability to repay debt, and if the gov't has bailed out AIG, why does the gov't still need to bail out GM? Isn't GM still covered if the gov't keeps AIG from going belly up?

"Wild Thing" - The Troggs

Let Me Stand Next to Your Fire -

Hendrix's drummer Mitchell dies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7726024.stm

Jimi Hendrix - The Wind Cries Mary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrpuw1J9Og

both my brother-in-laws are deer hunters.....

they also both vote Democratic and have master's degrees.....

the notion that deer hunting is an activity mostly done by slack-jawed uneducated Republicans is sooooo much BS.....

and yes..... they eat the meat.....
and no.... they don't have any mounted heads...... although they have mounted some pretty nice looking trouts.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172866

It really isn't the hunting that bothers me simply because I know if I had to kill my own food, I would become an instant vegetarian. At least hunters get out there and do it for themselves.

I just wish they would follow the rules of nature and take out the slowest, weakest and oldest, so that the herds would prosper.

Shooting from helicopters with high powered weapons and scopes does strike me as being unfair.

At least be on foot and give the animals a chance to shoot back. :-)

Of course, when some jogger from a exurban McMansion gets taken out by a mountain lion, I tend to root for the lion.

Way to go, Jack, with one simple posts you had them throwing hissy-fits for hours. Well done.

I ran out of batteries for my bullshit detector.

GORDO,

The NC lawsuit is frivolous. Voters in general elections select State Electors not presidential candidates, despite the fact that ballots name the candidates rather than the electors. Electors can vote for whomever they please. The states have no power to compel Electors to vote, or not vote, for any particular candidate.

Yet even if Obama were a Martian, the Biden part of the jugate ballot still makes the ticket viable. For example, dead people are also debarred from serving as president, yet if a presidential candidate were to die before the election, the vp candidate would be considered to have assumed the position of presidential candidate. So, even if you were right, Senator Biden would be the President-Elect.

You lose again. Watching you try to stop Obama is like watching Wiley E. Coyote try to stop Roadrunner.

No ranches in Alaska?

http://www.pitcherranch.com/

Axis: Bold As Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spdqXDnJulk

I thought you were taking a vacation, xrep.

It makes a lot more sense for an animal to pick out weakest of the herd. It's a lot safer for them. I guess it's kinda like fishing. You never see anyone show a picture of themselves holding up a 3" long fish and saying, "Sure, this fish was only 3" long, but it put up a hell of a fight!" Jamie, you watched "Coupling" on BBC right? You remember the dinner episode at Susan and Steve's place. Jane brought her therapist with her. During dinner, Jane cut herself a piece of lamb and said, "If you like animals...you'll LOVE lamb!" My Dad said he saw his Dad kill a chicken when he was little, that's why he never ate chicken. I agree with you Jamie, you know when a camper camps in bear country and gets attacked by a bear, whose fault is that??

I had an uncle -- the WW2 pilot -- who was a big hunter. he lived in Idaho...hunted bear, deer, elk, geese, whatever. He did have it all dressed and either ate it or gave it to people.

But in his later years he moved to a big house on a lake. A flock of Canadian Geese showed up at the lake every year. He started recognizing them, named them, and they ate from his hands. He never hunted again. And he once told my aunt that he would probably shoot anyone that he saw shooting at "his" geese.

Champ -

"I ran out of batteries for my bullshit detector."

That would explain a lot.

Something strange about people who love animals and hate people. Probably not a coincidence man of those people spend a lot of time on message boards.

Do what you do best, Anon; link to youtube. Leave the snark to assholes like me who are good at it.

Oh, yeah, no ranches in Alaska? What about the Mattress Ranch? Hmmmm?

http://www.mattressranch.com/

Gordo - ....can't .... hidden past ... SSDD. btw - that Complaint is on the fast track to dismissal - write that down, tell me if I was right.

Anon, pass these along to Rogers

"Signs and symptoms in children
The signs and symptoms of lead poisoning in children are nonspecific and may include:

Irritability
Loss of appetite
Weight loss
Sluggishness
Abdominal pain
Vomiting
Constipation
Unusual paleness (pallor) from anemia
Learning difficulties
Signs and symptoms in adults
Although children are primarily at risk, lead poisoning is also dangerous to adults. Signs and symptoms of lead poisoning in adults may include:

Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities
Muscular weakness
Headache
Abdominal pain
Memory loss
Mood disorders
Reduced sperm count, abnormal sperm "

I'd say the symptoms of lead poisoning were more specific in the carcases the bears ate.

Mitch Mitchell is dead? Pity. That's 2/3 of the Experience.

Patsi
The great Alaskan ranch debate ;-0
Reminds me of a joke.

An Alaskan and a Texan met in a bar.
The Texan ask the Alaskan what he did and the Alaskan said "I'm a rancher"
How big " ask the Texan
"40 acres. What do you do ?" said the Alaskan

"Oh I'm a rancher to", Said the Texan, "in fact if I get into my pickup and drive all day I might reach the end of my property"

The Alaskan looked at him for a minute the shook his head.
"I can sympathize, I used to have a pickup like that but I sold the sumbitch."

Oh, I hate both people AND animals. I'm a vegetable rights activist. Free the carrots! Power to the potatoes!

Some numbers on cattle in Alaska.

http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/ag/HayandGrainClarifications101306.pdf

More then NYC I imagine but not much.

So it looks like all the ranchs in Alaska wouldn't make a descent midsize Texas ranch.
Not to say the Alaska doesn't have ranches, I'm sure they do and I imagine they are all proud of them.

Jack

So is that felon Ted Stevens going to actually LOSE this election? Let's hope so, and please take Norm Coleman with him... !!!

I hope when Obama becomes President, the White House will make people like Cheney, Bush, Tony Fratto, et al... testify under oath over illegal activities in the executive branch. These people have a lot to answer for.... Unfortunately I think the Exec branch would not want to set up such a precedent as every administration could find itself under investigation from the new-coming one.

Dick Cheney is such a turd ! I really am glad he endorsed McCain... Sure helped switch more votes over to Obama..

REVENGE of The KILLER TOMATOES!!!!!

Champ -
When will that snark be along ?

OMG is DORKO still posting his shit on here? (Craig is "shit" an ok word, or is it in par with the "F" word?).

DORKO... I thought the RNC was out of money... shouldn't you be looking for a new job?

You are soooo creepy... honestly

Mitch Mitchell is dead? Pity. That's 2/3 of the Experience.

That's all of The Experience.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172876

Champ

When one is pressed for time one need to function in an efficient manner. I'm glad my one post did so much.
Break is over, lunch is finished.

I'm back at it. I will have to read all the posts from this morning later tonite.

Jack

Eh, I was about to get fired up, but there's not enough time in the day.

We've reached the pinnacle: jaxtrader--yes, jaxtrader!--has advised somebody else to take his meds.

Let me return the compliment:

Jaxtrader, if your religion doesn't forbid it, kill yourself. Preferably by swallowing lye.

Some will mourn (one? two?), but others (many? most?) will cheer. And laugh, and sing, and dance. And party til your poisonous little soul arrives in hell.

LOL

Speaking of meds

We've gone from Run Al Run! to Run Sarah Run! It didn't work when we tried to get Al to run.

XR, forget frivolous - that complaint is EMBARASSING. Recycled speculation is not the best basis for a lawsuit - too m any if, thens. A lawyer could face sanctions. I don't know a bout a Lt. Col., USAFR (ret.) who files In Pro per, (and sui juris just in case the judge wasn't sure after reading in pro per) although I think this is appropriate: "The words "in propria persona" or "in pro per" are typed where normally it would say "attorney for plaintiff." Judges sometimes warn a party "in propria persona" of the old adage that "anyone who represents himself in court has a fool for a client and an ass for an attorney."

btw, re: ranches in Alaska, let's not forget the Scapegoat Ranch - now this one is worth a visit.

http://esterrepublic.com/Archives/alaskascapegoat.html

Renee

Tomatoes, yes we need tomatoes.

They go good in moose chili.

I wonder if we can get Sarah to post her recipe.
Craig, maybe you could take a break from all that writing and find out.

Jack

speaking of meds?

Jack, ever noticed how people go after the ripest vegetables?

Anon - figures I forgot Noel Redding died 5 years ago. Damn.

Do they have a recipe for squirrel and moose chili?

Pogo -

What goes with Scapegoat ? White or Red ?

Tom

It has become obvious, that the staff around here doesn't always dispense medication to all the inmates. Some times they get to all of us sometimes, most times they miss a few of us. It often looks as if it is on a random basis but I'm sure they have a secret schedule. Then there are the days when they go on strike and miss us all.
This is just a normal day.

Jack

I was about to get fired up ......

Let's all chip in and buy Champ a can of gas.

Corey

I've got a great recipe for squirrel.
A good one to know as squirrels maybe the only meat around for some of us.
No time right now but will post it later.

Jack

the old guy was regaling his grandson about his hunting lions in the jungles of africa........said "I was walking thru the jungle, came to a clearing and this huge lion jumped out in front of me and went 'Rowwwwrrrrr!' ...........and I just crapped in my pants......"
The grandson said, "Gee, Grampa, I dont think a lion should make you crap in your pants if youre holding a big gun....."
Grampa said, "No, no......not when the lion jumped out in front of me.......Just now, when I went 'Rowwwwrrrrr!"

ba-dump bump.

Moose Nose chili....

go to northern woods....
take out BIG fuckin' gun....
shoot moose....

chop off moose nose....
put in BIG pot....

go to vegetable garden...
dig up BIG (biggest is best) turnip....

chop up turnip....
put in BIG pot with moose nose....
top off with 1 BIG dollop of bear fat.....
boil for 3 hrs.....

get bear fat when you take out BIG fuckin' gun and shoot it while it's eating the rest of the moose carcass.....

YUM! YUM!

Posted by: espiritu guardian | November 13, 2008 1:55 PM

Let me guess... xrep. A real charmer.

And I don't want to fight with you, Anon. What has gotten into people today? Is it the market? Shouldn't the partisan Liberals be happy with their recent victory?

Zappa's tribute to the Vegetable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4BMvm3NBVY

Renee

lol

I think I will stick with my Camel hump stew. For some reaso I don't think Moose nose tastes like chicken.

Jack

Jack, I worked with a woman who was from Laos. One morning she told me she was going hunting. I asked, "With a gun? What are you gonna hunt?" "She told me she was gonna hunt squirrels. She said they shot them and then ate them later. Never realized people really did that. Don't know about other parts of the country, but we have black squirrels here in Holland. We only had grey ones in Adrian. Speaking of meds...how much fun would this place be if everyone took their meds like they were supposed to?!

Speaking of meds -

DETROIT, Nov. 13, 2008 (Reuters) — Goldman Sachs suspended its rating on General Motors Corp on Thursday and said the automaker needs at least $22 billion in federal aid to survive a deepening industry downturn.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre4ac5an-us-gm/

"It has become obvious, that the staff around here doesn't always dispense medication to all the inmates."

jack, some of us are in the control group and others are in the out of control group.

Ruta baeeeaga ruta baeeeaga

Jack

To Renee: As Bill Murray said in the movie "Stripes"....I wanna party with you!

Champ -

Common ground, I'm an asshole too.

just another day in the trail mix lab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jReNeEHH2lQ

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172884

Champ, As individuals, I genuinely like most people and have had the good fortune to love a few.

As a mass that is a cancer on the earth, there is nothing wrong with them that a really good plague wouldn't cure.

Unfortunately, this would upset the people that liked or loved the ones I don't know. Therefor we need to come up with a way to take the numbers backward without the horror of either disease or war.

busy planning a company dinner for my employees and various spouses :) WTF is a Ruta baeeega? Some sort of gross veggie right? My dad used to say that sort of thing too.

Anon - red - I recommend a Beaujolais

pogo,

What fools these mortals be.

Once upon a time, long long ago, a well-heeled, spoiled, raging alcoholic of a client decided that he was innocent of assault and property damage by virtue of having been stoned out of his mind at the time.

We tried to talk sense into him, but in medias res, he canned us, and told the judge that he'd represent himself. The judge quipped that the phrase should be pronounced, 'improper.' He wasn't about to let the accused make "chop sui juris" of himself and then appeal, claiming 'improper' representation. The bench would appoint an attorney.

The now former client threw a fit; we were all in it together. So the exasperated judge had the guy removed for a few days to allow him time to dry out and think the matter over more clearlyx.

Later, the now convict didn't want to pay for "the services he hadn't used." I had the sheriff seize his late model Caddy and auction it to pay our couple hundred dollar fee.

ET, think turnip - but really big and really bad.

ETom....

com'on...... everybody knows a rutabaga is just another term for turnip..... :0)

Moose Chili

http://www.sagecreekoutfitters.com/Merchant2/recipes2.htm#Moose

xr - larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com

Renee - EXCELLENT (Moose nose chili, not rutabaga)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172919

Don't need meds, have kittens. It is absolutely impossible to fight with someone when you have a kitten helping you type.

Champ,

Not guilty. I have no quarrel w/ Jaxtrader.

But, thanks for thinking of me.

As to the Run Al Run compared to Run Sarah Run, there is absolutely no comparison as to the quality and caharacter of the people chided.

I know you all think I'm joking about the moose nose soup.....

think again.....

http://www.recipezaar.com/bb/viewtopic.zsp?t=172891

Renee, I missed the bear grease in the second recipe you linked. :)

Jamie -

That's it !

I have a wolverine on my ankle .

I'll try kittens tomorrow.

eProf: My point was people wanted Al to run in '08, but he didn't. Now people Sarah in run '12. Maybe Sarah won't run if she sees how many people want her to run for the wrong reason. No character slight intended. It is funny to me how Obama won the election, but all we talk about is Pain. The only person still talking about Obama is Gordo.

yee haw - for his b-day we're takin' LP to see the Cavs and Jazz square off in Quicken Arena saturday night. More fun than a barrel of monkeys.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172925

Patd

You have to admit we have a much better collection of rats than most sites of this type.

xrepublican --------------------

"Electors can vote for whomever they please."

"Electors are technically free to vote for anyone eligible to be President ..."

"eligible"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

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I suspect, people filing these lawsuits would be surprised at a favorable ruling. You and others are missing the point of these lawsuits. Make a guess.

Because there is no mechanism for checking credentials (the DNC does, but is in on the fraud), a Constitutionally unqualified person is able to slip through the loophole.

The investigations will continue. He does have a "hidden" past. SoetorObama is a fake and con-man.

pogo....

hmmmmm..... I see you're right.....

must be a recipe from one those "faux" Indians..... ;)

Human beings are a 'cancer', Jamie? Wow. A lot of love in the room today. I'm nostalgic for the days when I was the biggest jerk here.

An ancestor of Monty Python's famous Dead Parrot comedy sketch has been found in a joke book dating back to Greece in the 4th Century.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7725079.stm

Renee, you mean the ones who sell genuine handmade indian souvenirs - made in china, of course? :)

pogo.....

no.... I mean like the the ones who's great grandfathers were one quarter Wampanoag...... which means they are 1/64th..... and yet they give themselves names such Whispering Pincone or Summer Antler Growth and are advocates for stuff like "clothing should be optional"......

we used to have a whole bunch of em around here.....

May I ask what you make, Renee? Without making another post asking what you make?

Jamie,

I'm sure that medical science will eventually find a way to relieve your case of kittens. Then, you will once again be able to fight and defend yourself against .

There is something fishy about the argument that predators make herds healthy and strong, except insofar as they may take prey that carry communicable diseases. Predation does not much alter the mix of weak and strong or smart and stupid, except across thusands of years. Severe weather does a much better job, by slaying individuals that hog the most scarce resources, thus preventing stunting and infertility. Iow, bad weather takes the biggest honkin' bulls.

I suspect that wildlife conservators came up with the 'healthy herd' story to justify spending public money on the big bad wolf. If weapons manufacturers can make zillions by replacing perfectly adequate firearms with the new camouflaged weapons, then zoololgists can fleece the same hunters by making them believe they'll shoot an improved race of goats if only they'll stop treating puma as varmints, and set aside permanent puma habitat.

ooooohhhhh, theeemmmm. I think I may be one. Who knows whether my great grandfather was 1/4 Wampanoag? Stranger things have happened. (And I kinda like the clothing optional part).

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172946

Champ

year zero to 1800 A.D. First Billion
1800 to 1900 Second Billion
1900 to 1950 Third Billion
1950 to Present in the neighborhood of 7 Billion

If that isn't a cancercous growth, I don't know what is.

It is estimated that if every single person on the planet had the lifestyle that people in US take for granted, the carrying capacity for food and water is around 1950 population levels.

Science may come up with solutions, but people aren't really all that great about long term solutions. In this matter, crisis management is probably not a great idea.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172946

You haven't been here long enough to have that title Champ :-) Are you entering the competition?

champ...
I am a hand weaver....
I make scarves and shawls with rayon and chenille yarns that are mostly hand painted.....

I am a member of a fantastic craftsmen's guild called "The League of NH Craftsmen"..... it's for people who make a vocation out of their chosen craft..... it is considered one of the best guilds in the country..... to get in you must do your own designing.....

I've been weaving for 33 years..... and I LOVE it!

I hafta say that if you look at the earth as an organism, jamie's analogy isn't too far off.

GORDO: "I suspect, people filing these lawsuits would be surprised at a favorable ruling. You and others are missing the point of these lawsuits. Make a guess."

Okay. My guess is that the purpose is to waste time and money.

Wiley Catt said, "Everybody ought to get a fair trial before getting hung." You don't need evidence. You made your mind up about Obama without any.

SOME people in the US, not me. Don't worry, you'll be dead before over-population is a problem. If you're going to dehumanize our species in such a manner, allow me to de-personify earth itself. It's a rock. It will be here after we're gone, no worse for the wear, doing what it does, spinning around.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172954

And the competition for that position is at times fierce.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172933

XR, pop me an e-mail.

I knew where you were coming from, Corey. I just wanted to get my two cents in about Al Gore, my first choice for president way back when. Palin is so far down on my list of potential candidates in the future.

Of interesting historical note: Palin was a student at North Idaho Community College and took one or more classes in Political Science from a graduate school acquaintance of mine. When questioned about her, he said, "I don't even know who she is and she certainly wasn't a standout student or I would have remembered her." Moral of the story: You've really got to pay attention to the C students sitting in the back row. One C student president was enough!

Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 13, 2008 3:33 PM

Nope. I remove my name from consideration. Good luck.

Full moon has the natives restless

I want a scarf. Something dignified. It should also match the sweater Patsi is making me.

you could run for Miss Congeniality....

I sure hope that Jesse Jackson Jr. doesn't get Obama's seat. He is really a thug.

I was wondering if it was a full moon, and goddamnit, you're right. That is one wacky phenomenon. It even affects behavior on message boards. Holy shit.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172958

Champ,

You are absolutely right. At least at this time, human beings do not have the power to "destroy the earth". That would take something along the lines of a massive meteor impact that threw us out of orbit and into the path of something the size of Jupiter.

OTOH, I do have grandchildren and while I will be long gone, I would hope that they would live in a well ordered society and wouldn't be starving, warring over water, and suffering from skin cancers and blindness. I rather like them.

How dare you, Tom. Don't mess with the alpha dog.

champ....

I've got just what you need.... (selling technique..... never acknowledge "they want it"...... tell them "they NEED it".......)

it's a combo of bright reds, purples and yellows...... it's called HOT MAMA....

champ. they don't call us lunatics for nuthin' ya know.

Hey Anon,
You jinxed me....I mentioned that i was buying back in today and look...market up 5%. Now I get to chase it.....
...:)

Yeah, I've gleaned you're preferential to order, but look at the bright side, your grandchildren won't have to deal with tedious boredom.

The World of Trench Warfare in Color

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-37025.html#backToArticle=589791

Images from the World War I Battlefields

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-37026-7.html#backToArticle=589791

What's with the coordinated emasculation effort? I said DIGNIFIED, goddamnit. How about a Phillies 2008 World Champions theme? Or do you only have 2008 Red Sox Wild Card berth models?

1937 Macy's Thanksgiving Parade, Pinocchio floating through Times Square with his 44-foot nose

http://flickr.com/photos/40045986@N00/2348234828/in/set-72157604179477029/

From :
New York 1930's

http://flickr.com/photos/40045986@N00/sets/72157604179477029/

( You jinxed me.... )

It's a gift, Jack

SoetorObama's "HIDDEN" Past ?
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"Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?

... the release of Obama's draft registration and an accompanying document, posted below, raises more questions than it answers. And it shows many signs of fraud, not to mention putting the lie to Obama's claim that he registered for the draft in June 1979, before it was required by law.

Document Location Number Indicates Obama Selective Service Form was Created in 2008"

(Much more at link.)

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

well..... I do do one in browns and grays....

I call it my Moose Nose Special.....

Holy bucketsm Mama, the market is up 500 points !

Whoever thought it could move in that direction ?

Well 2 more words towards that 70,000 -

Whole wheat

I have just googled Alpha Dog... "a title bestowed upon the most dominant dog in the pack"... of course then it got me into reading about the film of the same title...

I am off to bed. Today was a horrible day at work... I need rest, you all be good... And think good thoughts...

GORDO, does your computer have a parent chip on it?

I knew I should have bought back in yesterday....woulda, coulda, shoulda.....AHHHHH

GORDO -

If there is such a thing as reincarnation you're a lead pipe cinch to return as a mill stone. Your ability to grind minutia to ever finer powders is unparalleled.

But I'd really like to see more cowbell.

Traders Bet on $30 Crude Oil as OPEC Plans Talks on Output Cut

By Margot Habiby

Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Oil traders made their biggest bet yet that the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will fail to prevent crude prices from plunging below $30 a barrel.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aK5RcomuMimw&refer=us

Well this will put the brakes on all sorts of green technologies. I even saw that T. Boone Pickens put his big wind farm on hold.

Is this a plot by the evil oil companies to reduce prices? How dare they do this to the consumer.

Posted by: Anon | November 13, 2008 4:16 PM

That's wonderful.

So you're the lye guy, Anon? No common ground here; you're on your own.

KGC -

Thank-you, I'm a graduate of the STERLING Correspondents Course.

Obama resigns from Senate:
mrhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_senate

What an illustrious career. Did he do ANYTHING?

Bowmanc

I learned a long time ago when I was farming.
Markets go up slowly. But when they fall god do they fall.
I remember losing $1000 because I shipped on Wednesday in stead of Tuesday. Thatg was back in the 70's when a $1000 was a lot of whisky, or weed.

Jack

I hope they are having fun as governing is a very serious job. As for Lieberman, there is a saying, that you are either with me or against me and Lieberman has proven that he is against Barack Obama and everything the Dems stand for. You do not keep your enemies close where they have a greater advantage to stab you in the back. Makes no sense!

Palin is quickly making a "verbal record" for future fact-checkers with these whirlwind interviews she is particpating in. And unfotunately for her, her ambition is bigger than her talent. She is like someone pursuing a singing career who cannot sing. Let Palin burn her self out as she is quickly wearing out the welcome mat!

Jack,
60 days ago you could sell an old river barge for scrap for $90000.00 plus. The rate yesterday was $8900.00.
It makes the stock market drop look tame.....

Champ

Ya know if you take Renee's bear fat and anon's lye
put some whore house perfume in it you get a nice soap.

Just something to keep in mind as we slide into depression

Jack

The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth

"The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation.

I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084111/PETER-HITCHENS-The-night-waved-goodbye-America--best-hope-Earth.html#

Did he do ANYTHING?

Yes he just won the presidency , it was in all the papers.

Posted by: champ | November 13, 2008 4:27 PM :
"So you're the lye guy, Anon? No common ground here; you're on your own."

And, you had the nerve to accuse me, you injudicious poster, you !

Shame on you.

Hey, you advocated my lynching in the past, xrep. Logically followed.

Dems apparently need Lieberman for a majority so that Obama could quit early. Maybe he's working on another memoir: "My Days in the Senate- A Short Story" by Barack Obama

Jax

The same thing was happening to a kid that was helping me clean out a house last month
There was a lot of metal so he separated it out. Every weekend he would haul it off. and every Monday I would listen to him bitch about the falling price.

I only hired him for 3 weeks he never came back for the last load of scrap he had piled.
lol
I guess it wasn't worth it.

Jack,
Probably not...every scarp yard in the US is idle. They aren't shipping anything and the steel mills aren't buying anything. Everyone is taking a 60 day break. The yards will still buy but it's hardly worth the transport.

Why would Obama supporters ever want want to mock people's religion ? That sort of goofiness is rushian, oreillyite, or hitchensian bigotry.

hitchens certainly has been sharpening his Silly skills this last year.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-172996

Yes, Peter Hitchens - British paleoconservative religious moralist younger brother of Christopher Hitchens. Certainly a reliable source of opinion about a liberal American politician. Not.

Bear
If you are out there

Or anyone else whose brain is working today

This is a great read about the Mortgage collapse. It is long but worth it.

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom#page3

Jack

Champ,
What was the time-frame from professor to state senator to senator? I know he was a senator for just a couple of years before he started campaigning.

Jax

He's a harvard graduate. That makes all the difference.

:-P

Jack

"This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts." From a man whose politics are guided by faith.

I sent you an email, Jack. I'll bet everyone wonders what it says.

That article says he was in the senate for 4 years, jax. He didn't even show up half the time. He's been campaigning for President for 2 years.

Champ

Lynching?
That sounds rather mild from the suggestions I heard.

Crucifiction ,slowly cooked in hot water, dangled in a tank of hungry piranha.

Jack

Yep GORDO -

I'm going with a fellow who was :

".......... a Trotskyist who was a member of the International Socialists from 1969 to 1975, "

Before he became a paleoconservative.

One of his recent articles was railing against the evils of the metric system.

Champ

To further the mystery about the email.

Then you know I'm right.

Jack

LOL... yeah, maybe that was it. Then he voiced hope that someday I would be able to overcome my negativity, or something like that. Bizzaro world. I don't even know why I post here. There are some cool people...

Why so upset about Peter Hitchens? Truth hurts!

The last time I used that email was the last time I sent you a message, and someone register with a dating site with that address since...I have 61 lovely ladies waiting to hear from me!

"one quarter Wampanoag...... which means they are 1/64th..... and yet they give themselves names such Whispering Pincone or Summer Antler Growth "

I vote to give Rez the moniker, Dances With Iktomi

renee, pogo, re recipe

looks a lot like hot vichysoise (plain ole potato soup) with a nose thrown in.

jamie, yes "we have a much better collection of rats" and it certainly reflects the good taste of our gracious host.

et, what about jesse sr?

No G-man, truth and Peter Hitchens are two terms only used in contrast within the same sentence. Someone unfamiliar with him might think that text you posted had some merit, and we can't all ow that to occur. His opinion is just that - and his views would not lead anyone to think he would ever support the election of Obama.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-173016

Champ

That sounds better than what my email box has been getting lately.

I've been getting offers on land in Brazil.
along with the usual penis enhancers and letters about long dead relatives in Africa.

Jack

patd, yeah, it does don't it - but then Maine is next door, and most of the mooses are over theah.

Pawlenty is better than I thought. He just smacked down Chris Matthews and told him to calm down.

Pogo

Solar, if you're about -
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172603
Is this the new biology?

No not diff biology---just a diff type of thinking --that makes you not think of your limbs as separate parts of your body------2nd Jamie is correct in that she thinks that the world is an organism---and her concern about over population is also correct----it we don't control it the organism (earth) mother nature will??

Jax----this from u say's volumes -----Ethics are boring and a tedious waste of time.....and you know what....most people could care less.

went golfing with my brother jesse the decon,,,,,,,he says that the catholic church is not at all happy about Obama----they had a lot of literature about the right to live issue that was sent out to the members of his church,,,i was interested in my game,,the election is over i told him---time to worry about the living---only played 9 holes in the cold---shot a 47---not good--not bad i used to golf 3 times a week when i was in advertising with clients,,,but now it is too expensive---city course 18bucks---i imagine that it will take about 200.00 to golf next year if u go out for the whole day that takes in lunch and drinks?? i should do pretty good with virtual golf---lot cheaper

"He just smacked down Chris Matthews and told him to calm down."

lol

Patsi
That makes him presidential material in my book

Jack

"OTOH, I do have grandchildren and while I will be long gone, I would hope that they would live in a well ordered society and wouldn't be starving, warring over water, and suffering from skin cancers and blindness. I rather like them."

Hear, hear, Jamie!

There's certainly no cult surrounding Obama, Gordo. The Maoist posters, unsubstantiated platitudes, catchy meaningless slogans, hand salutes, fervent support among dumb kids raised on reality TV, etc, are just clever marketing.

Solar,
??

pogo ---------------

Sure. Right. Continue to repeat: "I am not a member of The SoetorObama CULT". Save yourself !!!

pogo, and for a change the downeasters throw in a lobster if they can't find a nose and call it bisque... or throw in the dregs from the hole and call it bouliabaise.

Solar,
If you would read you would see that I'm talking about the media's take on ethics and the public's disinterest with it as well.....if you would just read and comprehend....it's not that difficult.

Here's some consolation, Gordo, which may not be as apparent with over-participation on this blog: Despite the "electoral-college landslide", only 51% or so of the electorate voted for Obama, meaning almost as many people aren't buying the bullshit. I like Obama, and hope he does well in his capacity, but this American Idol shit has got to go.

And with that, I'm taking an xrep-style vacation, maybe find some cheap land in Brazil. Good night.

But you see, Gordo, I'm not. I voted for him as a choice between him and McCain - who I would never have voted for - but I was a supporter because of party more than anything. And I do hope he is successful. Rather I'm a member of the discredit Gordo's conspiracy theory cult. At least you've moved on to new sources of ridiculous "analysis" of documents forged to forward the conspiracy. (Note to your retired government worker expert analyst - the Paperwork Reduction Act did not affect documents printed BEFORE it was passed and made effective).

champ - hold the door, I'm just putting my coat on.

philosophically speaking, it all boils down to potato soup; but in the end everything tastes like chicken and it's only good if it's fried in bacon grease.

patsi, your soliloquy on sparkling last thread brought to mind b.o.'s daughter "sparkle plenty"...

pogo ---------------

Not conspiracy - FACT.

SoetorObama REFUSES to release certified hardcopy BCs and other documents.

SoetorObama's documents have been forged.

patd.... are you speaking French to moi?.....
hey.... I bet vichyssoise is just a poor man's moose nose soup.....

Patsi..... well..... I did have to google Iktomi.... I do take Rez at his word that he truly is considered Native American.....

and those examples were real people that used to live around here in some kinda compound they called Rainbow Place..... and I kid you not..... the blonde, blue eyed guy who advocated for clothing being optional actually called himself..... Lumbering Bear....

patd -- when I was very little, I cut the hair on my older sister's Sparkle Plenty doll. I can't believe she still speaks to me.

(I had Bonnie Braids, myself....)

"Patsi..... well..... I did have to google Iktomi.... I do take Rez at his word that he truly is considered Native American....."

ROFL -- I googled it in reverse, Renee...I was looking for a better name than The Trickster.

Oh I'm sure Rez is Native American....just razzing Rez...

Renee -- Jamie can be Dances With Kittens

Sparkle Plenty.........daughter of B.O. Plenty of Dick Tracy land.......lol

Patd

Tater soup, It is a basic for survival.

Place some neck bones in a stew pot sdd some water, barely enough to mcover them bring to a boil and simmer until the meat falls of the bone. remove the neckbones from the water strip moff the meat and return the meat to the broth. Add 5 or 6 large taters one large onion and a stalk of celery. Cook until the celery is soft and the potatoes are falling apart. Salt and pepper to taste.
Serve with corn bread and butter. Or if you prefer bacon grease.

Jack

Patsi

Rez does seem a bit kin to old man coyote.

Jack

Yep...that's our Rez...lol

" the blonde, blue eyed guy who advocated for clothing being optional actually called himself..... Lumbering Bear...."

I love it....snort!

RUNNING BEAR---- BEN COLDER SHEB WOOLEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPGQ5iELuuo

A different song by the same title, not better just different

Running Bear - Johnny Preston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o00IRADa0i8

Michael Martin Murphey Geronimo's Cadillac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Hn4kMzp50

The irish accompaniment with potato soup is soda bread:
4 cups flour
11/2 tsp. salt
1 tsp. baking soda
2 cups buttermilk
Preheat oven to 375. Grease 8-9 inch cake or pie pan. Mix together dry ingredients, add buttermilk and stir with fork until it holds together. Knead on a lightly floured surface for about 30 secs., then pat into pan. With a sharp knife slash a cross (celtic cross or whatever you want) across the top. Bake 45-50 minutes, until nicely browned.

Cheap and quick. I make about 15 loaves every St. Paddy's day in just a couple of hours.

My Grandmother saw Geronimo in Arkansas city Kansas when she was a girl. It would have been the early 1900's. They brought him in a cage. She described what she remembered. And she remembered the fierce look on his face and his eyes.

After she passed on I was in college taking a class in the history of the American west and did a little research. What she saw as a little girl was most likely a wild west show. Even Geronimo yields to the inevitable

Jack

Someone needs to remind Lawrence ODonnell about Richard Nixon

Helen Thomas, a photo essay by Pontus Höök
By: Elliott Thursday November 13, 2008 2:14 pm
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1731

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-173041

Actually it is "Cuddles with Kittens" since they insist on snuggling up on the pillow next to me when they are not perching on my shoulder or head.

gotta go

The wife has a problem that we all should have.

She has a job she likes and someone is trying to hire her for an interesting job for more money that she also likes.

She wants my opinion

LOL

Jack

J

"Actually it is "Cuddles with Kittens" since they insist on snuggling up on the pillow next to me when they are not perching on my shoulder or head."

I am SO envious, Jamie!!!!

Although my cat Faron has somehow remained kitten-like...

Kaw-Liga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujV-0X4LdfI

KGC -- Thanks for that photo essay about the wonderful Ms. Thomas.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-173052

KGC

O'Donnel said part of an "unsuccessful" run who came back to win the Presidency. Nixon was VP on a "successful" ticket.

and then Nixon went on to tbe the biggest loser and come back from that....after all we weren't going to have Dick Nixon to kick around any more.

Mr. Republican----from last thread-nov-13,1:02 am

1. Mr. Crete,

There are 613 'commandments' in the 5 books of Moses. Many of them encourage feasts, celebrations, commemorations, and remind us to be grateful, kind, and chipper, etc. Other rules tell us not to have sex with our children or sacrifice them, or cheat people, worship race, beasts, carvings, people, or money, or . Almost all of it is now considered common sense, although it wasn't so common 3,500 years ago. Athenians and Romans were still sacrificing people to rocks 1,800 years later. Germans, Boers, and Hutus were still worshipping race 3,500 years later.

Thank u , but these are not the laws that i had in mind---there were 300 before any of the bible was written,,1000 yrs before?

--Who wrote the bible?? 39 books in all( human interference stopped very many more from being added---they picked and chose which ones) ---the Tora was written by the hand of Moses--but dictated by God--don't know how this can be true since it was written by many scribes ?/--in the 5 books of Moses there are many contradictory passages suggesting that the identity of the first writers are diff that later ones---if he was the author of deuteronomy-how can he write of his own death?? had to be written by his successor Joshua. the other laws of common sense were laws before ---Actually i think that the bible was written by men for men---God told Abraham to kill his only son issac he was going too until an angel appeared and stopped him--it was only a test--he passed.

Later on in the bilbe 2 angles appear at a home,and demands the death of the daughter of the father be put to death God has requested this from him----he gets a knock on his door and, the father offers the 2 angles sex with the men at the door(wtf the angles were male) they say no, they want the life of his daughter---he tell her,,she says OH well OK if god want me to die,,,but let me go into the mountains to make my self ready for him--some time goes by then she comes back and the 2 angles appear again, they won't take not for an answer and take the life of the daughter, i think that they burned her,,,,,this is moral????? your other points about greed, sex, and all, not have sex with our children---call the vatican,,,lots of sex with children,,,same thing with bible thumping fathers that molest their own,,,lots more in the bible that is gender biased, a whole lot,,,will be talking about the bible a lot.thanks

Bethboo is 100% on the money---there should by only one ( rule ) thing to guide us all----Remember the golden rule-----it is a very simple thing to understand----all religions, all greed , etc, etc, just gets in the way---we understand this intellectually ---but very few feel it emotionally, and practice it???

hey..... Cuddles with Kittens....
great song from "are you ready for some football Man".....

and speaking of football....... on NFL network tonight......
the Patriots vs them goddamn Jets.....
winner is in sole possession of first place of the AFC East.....

Go Patriots!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/video-trail-mix-its-more-fun-t.html#comment-173062

It wasn't nice of him to get our hopes up that way.

It wasn't nice of him to get our hopes up that way.

boy ain't that the truth.

He wormed his way into the hearts of Republicans by traveling all over the country speaking and raising money --no club date too small.

My grandfather saw Geronimo, too, back in the late 1800's, and told us. We loved Tonto so much we were enthralled. We begged grandpa to tell us about ti, and all he said was that Geronimo was "a mean-looking son-of-a-bitch." I later saw the pictures of the poor man and understood what grandpa said.

But then, what would you want or expect him to look like? A proud old man who lost the fight to protect his
way of life and his people, being paraded around in front of the enemy to be stared at?

Jamie - I agree about humanity being a cancer on the earth. There's nothing inherently evil re cancer - it's just that it crowds out other life forms, and the first words that come to mind are 'rain forest.'

I have a feeling that we are learning a lot from studying cancer. A lot of deadly plants are life-saving in small doses. Cell proliferation of cancers just might help us understand other cells - whatdya bet?

Jamie - I'm jealous re the kittens.

Have to get ready to go to a gymnastics show at the 4 tear-old's pre-school. They are always quite a treat.

No news re the baby owl.

One of my uncle's favorites.

At least the version he used to sing to us kids. lol

Kiss an Indian Goodmorning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6pAlexAGJU

It must be getting pretty lame around here if you're all talking about Indians. :-)

Rez....

I bet your ears have been burning all day...... :0)

gotta go watch me a football game.....

YEEEHAAAAW!..... Go Patriots!

Damn, we're just upset cause the markets gone south. How the hell are the casinos gonna make it.

Rez -- I have a friend who is obsessed with the history of the Native American. Her then-6 year old nephew made a birthday card that read: "Aunt Katy -- I love you as much as you love indeens."

KO just opened with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

I hope that is not just another rumor.

CNN has the same story but are also saying Clinton has not be contacted ....maybe it's like the short list for vp

I hope she isn't the next Sec of State. In a year she'd be history and without a senate seat.

Solar - you're right re the being written by men for men.

Who was the old git who was dying and his daughters literally nursed him? There is a painting, one of the old masters, of that story, and I have to say when I saw it, it felt like an attack, a sock in the gut, physically.

That story was written by a diarist.

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Patsi,

If she wants it, she would probably do it for two years, be 63 retire to a very high powered speaking schedule, book contract, and think tank or her alma mater as a professor ... lots of influence, good works, and oodles and oodles of money.

What's not to like?

Well, I don't think they want her in the Senate asking why he won't do mandatory universal healthcare.

HA! KO thinks it's impressive that he forgives HRC for being such a bitch and a crook - I hope it means that he's starting to realize what a fool he is.

I hope Hillary is not Sec State. I don't think Obama will accept any help from her or Bill except for her work in the Senate - he can't afford to. He has to show that he can do it himself, especially without help from a woman.

I want her do for herself and for the people.

KO should take a flying f**k on a rolling donut. Sorry, Craig and msnbc. He will never get an ounce of respect from me until he apologizes for his diatribes toward Hillary, and admit he was wrong to be so biased, and we know he's incapable of such self-examination.

Where was he about Prop 8 before the vote?

I think Clinton will stay in the Senate at least for the time being.

Apparently she made a "personal" business trip to Chicago. No word if she met with Obama while there.

I just think that as screwed up as everything is, if Obama has the stones to control all the egos involved, having Biden and two Clintons at his disposal is the way to go.

He keeps saying he loves "Team of Rivals" and it worked for Lincoln. Heck go whole hog and give one the Edwards (preferably the smart one) Health and Human Services.

Offer Richardson Ambassador to Guatemala.

" lots of influence, good works, and oodles and oodles of money.

What's not to like?"

That a serious force for a better country was reduced to a sideshow.

" having Biden and two Clintons at his disposal is the way to go."

Disposable being the key word. She needs to stay in the Senate, where she is her own master.

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Bethy,

I'm back to watching him because the material is good and he is the lead in to Rachel. But his over the top "outrage" has gotten stale (need to limit him to one per quarter or something).

Since the Hillary tirade he won't be allowed into my affections a second time: (see below reference)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZBqpEUbik

Disposal (use)
Disposable (useless)

I think she should do whatever she wants to do. I will like her in whatever role she chooses.

The problems we face are so huge that I am sure she will elect to be where she feels she can do the most good.

Depends on whether it's "use" or "use."
:)

Behty---im shocked! a flying what on a rolling donut,,hahaha

i can't answer you question about the dying father and his daughters ,but i have read it a long time ago, and will later

I have to get this off my chest cos i found it again--i constantly fight with people about the following

Contrary to popular view----The fact that the united states was not founded as a christian nation was early stated in the terms of a treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 under George Washington, and signed by John Adams in 1797

"As the Government of the united states of america is not, in any sense, founded on the christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of musselmen; and as the said states never have entered into any war act of hostility against any mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the existing between the two countries..

this is what i mean about informing about true history,,the is so much to correct --t think that blogs like this one is a great place to do it in??

Jamie - I understand your point and am glad people here do watch KO, cuz you all keep me somewhat up-to-date, but I myself don't see how his material is good.
Everything about him is suspect now to me. I'm actually 'afraid' to even watch Rachel. I admire her and respect her, but I have no reason to expect her to do anything but continue the primary.

I don't want to hear anymore about how the dems are superior, and anyone who doesn't buy into their line is stupid and/or evil.

Between them, KO and Rachel blasted my tv screen with machine gun fire against everyone but Obama.
Those are images I doubt will ever go away for me.

I also think it's better for everyone that she stay out of Obama's administration.

Solar - HA! I figured that would shock some people. I don't usually put things like that on paper. Obviously, KO is a flash point for me, and I've just now been thinking that I'll have to control my reactions. I don't think I bring it up and am sure I don't even think about KO and how disgusted I am with him. It's just when someone else mentions him that I speak out and that's really dumb of me - gonna work on that. Anyway, I'm glad I put a spark in your day.

Mr. Crete,

Your story doesn't ring a bell. Would you please cite the book so I can look it up ? Thanks in advance.

The number of books in the Bible varies widely by religion, denomination, and sect. The stories can be much different - also according to religion, denomination, or sect. I never heard or read a story about angels demanding the death of a gal child. Maybe this is some bizarre cult Bible.

I'm going to miss Champ. He has a wonderfully witty mind. That is a real rarity among puercoblicans. Champ's volleying with Anon early in the day was a real treat.

Mr. Crete,

Thanks for the 1797 treaty quote. What a wonderful country. NOVU ORDO SECLORUM - and the meant it !

Sorry, typoklutzism alert.

That should read, "and they meant it ! "

Mr. Republican----it sounds like u never read the bible,,but it comes from the holy bible (catholic ) Saint Joseph--text book edition---the number of books that accepted are 39 by all.
but there are many many more that were not included , cons it did not suit the powers that controlled the acceptance of them,
christianity is a cultt no??/ they held meetings in caves, dungeons , and where ever they could, in order to practice their rituals,,,the good queen constantine brought them out of their darkness, and started what we have today,,,,other religions are spinoffs

do we have to be so formal --u can call me solarcrete or solar,,,but mr. crete is ok too----champ is a lot of fun,,i hope that he does come back----he sounded a little tired of things today,,maybe a little bored?

Chole------i can't hear you---where are you?

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Don't you just love English. Go ahead and pronounce

Rain, Rein, Reign, or Rein

Solar

I think you may be misreading the term "nursing father" in the bible. It is a problem in translation. A more accurate reading would be foster father as in Esther's relationship to her uncle since she had no parents.

Also, as a matter of medicine, it was acceptable for a woman to allow actual nursing by an honored family member who was ill and there is even a modern reference to this in Grapes of Wrath where Sharona allows a starving man to nurse.

Sharona is a version of "Rose of Sharon" and a throwback to the biblical reference.

Any more questions ask Tylenol. This is her territory.

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Could this be backwards. There is the story of the crowd demanding the angels and Lot refusing them and offering his daughters instead. This is the one that is sometimes used by the bible thumpers against homosexuality.

Anyway, take your pick for every injunction for something you can almost always find and opposite order. Either way, God gets PO'd

Sticking to the Golden Rule is probably the best idea.

SolarCrete,

I've read my Bible several times. It has 39 books. I just counted them. I don't have Sirach, do you ?

Still, I know of no book in the Bible which angels want to kill a girl.

BTW,

Lot is the one whose daughters got him drunk so they could get pregnant by him after they have fled Sodom and their mother was turned into a tower of salt.

You can imagine what some of the cultish types do with that story.

Jamie,

Yes. Lot is so opposed to men futtering with angels that he offers his daughter. The sodomites reject her, the lucky kid.

Next, the Angels defend their virginity by zapping all the sodomites with their magic rays. Siiiizzzzzle.

It's a ripping yarn, with the moral being never attempt to rape an angel, or you'll get burned.

If you don't have the time to make Irish Soda Bread, try Beer Bread:

2 cups all purpose self-rising flour
3 tablespoons sugar
1 12-ounce can of beer
Melted butter or margarine

Gently mix flour, sugar and beer until just blended. Turn into 9x5x3 loaf pan. Bake at 375 (metal pan) or 350 (glass pan) for 20-25 minutes, until a toothpick in the center comes out clean.

Drink another can of beer while waiting for it to bake.

When the bread is done, drizzle with butter or margarine.

Turn the bread out on a rack to cool a bit.

Or make Pumpkin Cornbread (recipe to come later).

Amen Bethy, everything you have said.

XR

The group at Nicea decided which of all the books floating around should be allowed into the "official" bible. Since this was 300 something AD you can imagine that there were a lot of scrolls and bits of stories in every town in the Roman empire.

They dumped all the Gnostic gospels that they felt didn't conform to accepted dogma at the time. All the ones that allowed women equal power with men in the church got deep sixed

Then Luther came along more than a century later and threw out a few of the books.that gave powers to priests that he didn't like. On top of that there was a German translation so that people could read it for themselves rather than taking the priests word about the Latin which was translated from the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.

Then there was the English translation thanks to Henry VIII having the hots for Annie. Then the Scots got into the game with the poetic King James version that then got updated to the cold blah text of the modern bibles.

All in all that particular book has been through the mill so often it is a wonder any of it makes sense.

XR

Sirach is part of the Catholic bible that Luther threw out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirach

Good night all. Be nice to each other.

Jamie
lot is similar ---but not a very good example of righteousness

lots 2 daughters make a brief reappearance in the story,after their mother was turned into a pillar of salt,they lived with their father in a cave up a mountain, Starved of male company,they decided to make their father drunk and copulate with him, Lot was beyond noticing when his older daughter arrived in his bed or when she left m, but he was no too drunk to impregnate her. The next night the two daughters agreed it was the younger ones turn, again lot was too drunk to notice, and he impregnated her too (genesis 19:31-6) if this dysfunctional family was the best sodom had to offer by way of morals(which is my original argument ---what morals are in the bible??) some might begin to feel a certain sympathy with god and his judicial brimstone???---then this in Judges 19: 23-4--again the misogynistic ethos comes through, loud and clear. where a lot turned his daughter a maiden and a priest concubine over to a mob where they raped her all night in the am she was dead------my whole point to this is that the bible is against women as a whole------it was written for men by men,,,i will find the story,,it is similar.

Solar and Jamie,

These are very old stories about ancient people who were still discovering and developing the basics of right, wrong the hard way. The earliest stories were first written at least 1700 years old about occurences that transpired 2,100 years before that. For example, Aramaic wasn't even invented in Lot's day. And Hebrew may not yet have split from Canaanitish. This is really really old.

I don't recognize the legitimacy of Nicaea. Those folks didn't know Hebrew or Aramaic well enough to recognize a decent translation, let alone make one of their own. On top of that, they adopted outlandish new books and promoted the development of a myriad of theologies and violent disunities.

Bethy

Some where around here I have an old bible with the song of soloman " missing.

It belonged to my sister and a couple of the neighbor boys tore out the pages because a girl shouldn't read such stuff. Knowing my sister she was probably reading it out loud to them and embarrassing them.

Jack

Jack

It takes everything I have not to laugh in the face of anyone claiming that Song of Soloman is about the mystical marriage between God and his church ...

That book is truly beautiful and explicit enough for a triple X rating.

Also, the Jesus people have become Christians by the time of Nicaea. The Romans have thoroughly infiltrated and co-opted the mainline Christian Church, turning it into an instrument for the exercise of Imperial Power abroad, and strict social control at home. By this time, Jesus would hardly have been able to recognize himself or his work in the corporate doctrines.

Bethy

Bethy---not too many people are critical thinkers when it comes to the bible-----

The oldest of 3 abrahamic religionns, and the clear ancestor of the other two, is judaism,,,originally a tribal cult of asingle fiercely unpleasant god ,,,morbidly obseesed with his own restrictions, with the smell of charred flesh,with his own superiority over other gods and with exclusiveness oof his chosed desert tribe,,,,during the Roman occupation of palestine,,,christianity was founded by paul of tarsus as a less ruthlesslly sest of judaism and a less excllusive one----the god of the old testament is one very mean and scary dude---night for now

I read the Song of Songs to Sweetie on our dates and on our honeymoon.

Ah.

Bethy---

xr wait till we start talking about the times of jesus,,and what was going on all around him that will surprise a few,,,and maybe shock some,,,with names and dates of actual people,,,

here is a little tease---were jesus actually dagger men?

from randi rhodes of Air America's America Left:

Thursday, November 13, 2008
AMERCANS TO STANKY HANK: “IT’S THE FORECLOSURES STUPID!”

There's something rotten at Treasury.....and it's pretty obvious Hank Paulson is it.

A month and change ago, he's screaming “The sky is falling. It’s the end of civilization as we know it. Recession, Depession, dogs and cats will be living together! Mass market meltdown means mayhem and madness” US taxpayers must pony up 700 Billion to help purchase “illiquid assets” ASAP. Yes, Hank and only Hank can define the undefinable and buy “it” and this will save us from a Foreclosure crisis.

Well it's mid November, and the banking genuises that helped get us into this mess by not covering their bets are now on their way out the door with our money, showing no interest helping homeowners.
It’s a foreclosure crisis stupid! Stop the foreclosures, end the crisis.

Stanky Hank tried originally to pull off the greatest bank heist in the history of the world with 3 pages of “legislation” that said “Gimme all your money and don’t call anyone or the Economy gets it”. Well, Congress stepped in with a more substantial oversight scheme but no real rules about where the money should go. Only Congress forgot to appoint someone to do the damned oversight!

Yesterday Skank was able to announce a “change” in the Big Heist. Those “illquid assets” he promised to buy? Not buying. No longer interested in buying. And there’s only $60 Billion left because Skank decided to use the money to buy bank stocks and finance their mergers and acquisitions, and of course, pay the same CEOs who drove their companies to the brink. Zero of the bailout money has gone to refinancing mortgages.

Foreclosed homes? Not interested. Struggling homeowners? Not interested. Struggling automakers? Not interested. Kool Aid drinking CEOs who pronounce massive growth and profit? Step right up to the Taxpayer Trough o’Cash. Help yourself. If we run out we’ll go get more. Eat up!

Meanwhile America is looking like one giant blighted community of unwashed masses yearning to breathe free.

Skank is not being honest.

Fact is, we have suffered and continue to suffer the tragic fallout of a decades old "trickle down" myth. Groupthink that says the answer to every problem MUST start at the top, because those at the top MUST be the smartest, most innovative and thus they MUST be given the most to work with. You and I are apparently not smart enough to articulate or innovate our way out of a paper bag.

Even you begin to think that to become Treasury secretary, or the CEO of General Motors, or an insurance executive at AIG you must have sealed parchment and an eerie ability to put a killer Power Point presentation together. You do, but you also need the common sense to know that as the grassroots go, so goes your business. When we are broke they go down. When they are broke we CREATE a new reality. And that is what they’re terrified of. Hence the enormous problems they create and the dishonest desire to solve problems.

We have been spoon fed a groupthink. One that says they are better at this than you. It’s wrong and inaccurate. Truly just a façade to keep us at bay.

Mix in government folks and you got shit soup at the soup kitchen.

While the auto industry meltdown has nothing to do with bad economy and much more to do with making and marketing gas guzzling SUVs in a time when people would like flex fuel cars, or electric cars, or diesel engines, it is the same Groupthink in their Boardrooms. A bunch of men who continually fail upwards. If Detroit wants to innovate their way out of bankruptcy, start listening to a guy (or girl) who works on his car every weekend in his garage! Trade in all of these hand tailored parrots of Industry for Joe The Mechanic!

I’ll take the Captain of a 28 foot sailboat over the Captain of the Titanic anyday. And if we’re buying the company we get to PICK.

that is jesus followers actually dagger men

mr. crete,

Well, that was pretty offensive of you. And preposterous, to boot.

If Christianity was so much more gentle, how is it that Christian Europeans were still practicing mass human sacrifice in the 1940s across Poland, Hungary, and Germany ? Add Yugoslavia and Rwanda (with clergy and nuns taking part in the carnage) through the 1990s, and Central Africa today. A generation of children recently had their arms and legs lopped off for this kinder gentler god of yours. The Lord's Resistance Army. There has been no more murderous ideology in the history of this planet than the Apostate Paul's.

There is just something freakin' weird about Palin doing ALL those interviews in the kitchen.

She'd be good as a game show host.

tt

Be careful what for what you wish, xrep!

Some of those "laws of moses" command genocide. That's pretty murderous. Islam, from what I understand, calls for the execution of willing infidels. Not so nice, either. Jesus was a pacifist. Say what you will about the errant ways of 'His" followers, but he himself (if you believe he even existed) advocated love and forgiveness. He was somewhat of an egoist, I concede that.

From what I've read, Solar, some theorize the emperor Constantine complied what we know as the Bible at the Council of Nicea. You can google it, but it seems that you're more familiar with these topics than you let on.

Oh, you guys discussed Nicea. Sorry. Reading backwards- you know how it goes.

conspiracy theory
jesus and the apostles got together at the last
supper plotted to pull the old bait and switch on the romans'' judas was handed over the romans
and crucified'' jesus showed up later after being
''resurrected'' thus fulfilling an ancient prophecy'
the romans didn't know one jewish guy from another

XR - I must have missed something because I don't know what horrible thing you thought Solar said.

All in all, I think the best rule is the Golden Rule. I try to live by it because it makes life easier for me most of the time - I don't have to make a lot of decisions!HA!
If other people make it really difficult to treat them the way I want to be treated, I try to get away from them, but obviously I can strike back.

Just saw Bill O"Reilly on Jon Stewart - not a bad show and T.Boone Pickens was pretty good last night.

Gonna go read, and not my Bible - something cleaner.

i don't really need a religion to tell me that i shouldn't
be running around robbing and killing folks or
screwing around with my neighbor's wife.
besides that might lead the violation of my number one commandment'
thou shall not get my ass killed

Good morning, just wanted to clarify that Irish Soda Bread is very easy to make make and one can make it in about 5 minutes. It is indeed categorized as a quick bread.

Sea -- I'm so excited about getting my candy order!!! Most anticipated: chocolate covered peanut butter fudge!

Hey Patsi, I'm so glad! The dipped PB fudge is pretty good, like a rich Reese's . We have too much fudge around here so my kids generally won't eat any- except the PB fudge which is their favorite and the leftovers of the dipped PB are long gone!