Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Happy birthday there C man.

I believe someone else caught this one as well, so credit them first -

Marine archaeologists find remains of slave ship.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1501ap_sci_slave_ship_found.html

The last line of the story :

" NOAA provided about $178,000 to assist the research."

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Is this wasteful government spending ?

dead jaws onna beach:

http://charleston.net/news/2008/nov/26/dead_on_beach_jaws63092/

7 bodies dumped at Mexican school field

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico -- Seven bodies were dumped before dawn Tuesday at a school soccer field in the Mexican border city of Juarez.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102ap_lt_mexico_violence.html

Happy Birthday Craig! It's scary, probably true, like the last line. I gotta say you aren't predictable- thats a good thing.

Sturg-

Big fish. Let us know if they find out what killed it .

Best headline of the day -

Accused drunk driver ends up running over himself

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1120ap_odd_drunken_driver.html?source=mypi

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Instant Karma ?

C-Bob -- Take every thrill you get looking at Ann Margaret on screen, quadruple it and that will be one tenth of the thrill I get looking at Errol Flynn on screen.....

http://themave.com/Flynn/port15.htm

You bettcha....

Jamie -- when you are about....the pro-athlete who has Barry Manilow in his IPod is Lebron James....

to you craig, our gracious host, a most happy birthday; and to the rest of us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE5HYucqy60

Worst headline of the day -

Ocean Growing More Acidic Faster Than Once Thought; Increasing Acidity Threatens Sea Life

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081124141053.htm

"Best headline of the day -
Accused drunk driver ends up running over himself"

Indeed! Horrible to laugh at an accident "victim," but --ROFL!

Elvis was a narc:

richard bowden and sandy pinckard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCJNyAStv98

Peter Gabriel Secret World Tour, In Your Eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPXpaPZ2-jU

Ooh Patsi, love Errol too! He has always been on the top of my deadmen fantasy team!

the elephant in the room?

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

aanother estimate

http://zfacts.com/p/447.html

" .............. my deadmen fantasy team! "

The mind reels.

Hmm, more jobs equals more money to spend in local economies vs scraping by on unemployment checks and food stamps. Jobs, jobs, jobs! They can free up the credit markets all they want, but if people don't have jobs they aren't going to get that car or home loan...now.

Maybe this is a time to expand, rather than contract, the gov't. How many gov't contracts keep how many businesses going? How much tech R&D is gov't funded? It all needs oversight & it wouldn't be that difficult: You want money, you go in with a business plan and a set of benchmarks; you continue the stream of money as long as measurable goals are met. You do not fly to DC on a private jet looking for a no-strings handout.

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus...but he isn't Uncle Sam.

Craig.... Happy Birthday!

IMO.... this is the sexiest man that ever lived.....
http://www.popularpersons.org/yul-brynner/yul-brynner4.jpg

Patd -
Another good widget from ZFacts is the quote widget.

"I don't do quagmires."

http://zfacts.com/p/501.html

RR -
Your link is a 404 Forbidden .

UPDATE 3-U.S. finds trace of melamine in baby formula -

http://www.reuters.com/article/euIpoNews/idUSN2528618920081126

Industry trade group the International Formula Council sought to reassure consumers.

"Infant formula manufactured in the United States remains safe and nutritious," the group said in a statement. "U.S. infant formula products meet the highest standards and specifications."

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The " International Formula Council " -
I bet that's a group of real sweethearts.

about these jets.

How many members of congress hitch rides on corporate jets?

How many members of congress ride military jets?

How many fly coach?

I don't know the answers but I bet it would be interesting.

I know that Sen. Judd Gregg has flown coach, I was on a flight with him from Manchester, NH to DC once.

Americans' Food Stamp Use Nears All-Time High

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/25/AR2008112502553.html?hpid=topnews

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CB- I bring them back to life every once in a while!

Bow -

My all time favorite corporate jet ride -

George W. Bush flew on an Eron jet to his first swearing in.

the International Formula Council:

http://gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net/o1/gamestar/objects/111825_main.jpg

"CB- I bring them back to life every once in a while!"

HA! Excellent!

Old sea -

Whatever floats your boat.

( Insert dancing smiley face here. )

So now I'm thinking about how cool both Errol Flynn and Yul Brenner were -- and getting ready to have breakfast -- Hardees Pork Chop Biscuit and Gravy, Tater Tots and a big glass of cold milk. Life is good.

I'm thankful...
to live in the USA
for the new administration (featuring Hil'ry)
for this site and all of you (and the return of C'Bob)
Happy Thanksgiving!

Rim shots for everyone !

speaking of floating boats:

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/nov/22/stuck_trawler_had_eventful_trip62688/

Happy Birthday Craig Crawford many happy words of the day!

Hey C-Bob was Kenny Boy on Board?

ps Typekey says I'm signed in but then won't post my comments

CB- That's right, gotta keep the boat afloat. Some do transcend time and space.

Uh Oh -- remember when Americans were predicting the economic collapse of the Soviet Union? Tit for Tat.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html

Happy Birthday Craig! Enjoy...
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"No, no it's not. It's more the realization that I'm not by the pool with Ann Margret,"

Ha, Gotcha CBob. I stand corrected. :)

"Typekey says I'm signed in but then won't post my comments"

Katherine, You have to keep signing back out and back in until it gets it right - usually about three times.

haven't heard any of the talking heads or financial experts mention the continuing cost of the war. pleanty of talk about tightening belts, cutting waste in the entitlement programs, prioritizing this and that, but nothing about the cost of the war. present and future cost. why? msm mob amnesia?

MSNBC -
Reported this morning that in fact Ann Coulter did break her jaw, and it is wired shut.

This could be the biggest political metaphor in the history of the republic.
Obama taking control of the country, Ann has a new book to flog, and her mouth is wired shut.

I'm warming to this karma idea more and more.

Sturg -

That thing looks like it's from the "Bubba Gump" shrimp fleet.

"The " International Formula Council " -
I bet that's a group of real sweethearts."

Chinese products are getting downright scary, especially since I've heard this formula tainted story more than once over the last few months. It's bad enough they were poisoning our pets, now our babies.

The thing about karma, is it's comforting to know there's that built in justice.

Patd -

http://www.keyvan.net/gallery/albums/2006-stream/be_the_best.jpg

I put this up last night, but if you miss it. Craig's birthday card at

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

Please drop by and sign

All Fall Down
"Citigroup Pays for a Rush to Risk,” actually left me totally disgusted.

Why? Because in searing detail it exposed — using Citigroup as Exhibit A — how some of our country’s best-paid bankers were overrated dopes who had no idea what they were selling, or greedy cynics who did know and turned a blind eye. But it wasn’t only the bankers. This financial meltdown involved a broad national breakdown in personal responsibility, government regulation and financial ethics.

“This woman wasn’t saying that Wall Street bankers were corrupt,” he added. “She was saying they were stupid...."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/opinion/26friedman.html?_r=2&hp

Glad about Coulter's muzzle, but Peggy Noonan remains.

This morning she waxed schoolgirlishly about how Obama's television appearances reminded her of the days when they used to hear Ronnie Raygun's chopper approach the White House, and the staff said, "Daddy's home!"

And lest we of the great unwashed didn't get the point, she explained: "And when I see Obama on the television now, I think, 'Daddy's home"'

Shoot me right now.

Patsi,

My favorite Amanda McBroom song, Erroll Flynn, sung by Barbara Cook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85IxNVwpKrs

I cried the first time I heard it. Still get a bit teary.

Peggums and the likes of Kathleen Parker are still employed as well as consistently wrong Prick Morris and Bill Kristol...

the only thing that makes me think karma might exist is Coulterguists broken jaw --how did that happen?

“She was saying they were stupid...."

Never underestimate human stupidity. If you thing you see a conspiracy in some human endeavor, look closely for stupid, he's at the table somewhere.

Swedish researchers at Taurus Energy, SEKAB, Chalmers Technical University and the University of Lund have signed an agreement on development and large scale implementation of a new improved bio-technical process for production of ethanol from lignocellulose feedstocks.

http://www.biofueldaily.com/reports/Advanced_Cellulose_Ethanol_Development_999.html

Case in point :

I typed "thing" instead of " think ".

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/spend-more-spend-less-yeah-rig.html#comment-177208

CBob

One thing to remember when you see some of these "all time high" figures is percentage of population.

If you say 500,000 jobs lost in 1980 vs 500,000 jobs lost today. You have actually lost half as many jobs as a percentage of the population.

Of course that means your population is now twice as big as it was and is killing you with their accumulated poisons, but hey .... at least more people are working.

Either way your screwed.

Either way your screwed.

Yes, and I'm still waiting for my kiss.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/spend-more-spend-less-yeah-rig.html#comment-177207

Bowman,

If there wasn't a constant need to raise money, they wouldn't have to fly so often. Congress Critters used to come to town and then go home for the Summer and Winter breaks. Now many of them feel they have to go home at least a couple of times per month and press flesh while extracting cash.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/spend-more-spend-less-yeah-rig.html#comment-177232

Patsi

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh, gag gag. Pretty perky Peggums wuvs another widdle prezzy wezzy.

Barf

KGC

How do most women get a broken jaw. That would be a sad bit of irony. If so I hope she has someone close by to give her some sympathy and support because she getting none from me.

Jack

hey all, it's not my birthday. mine is in july. don't rush it, ha. but thanks for the kind words.

back to work

(my typekey isn't working)

Okay I'll take down the card and put it up again in July. :-)

We must all learn to recycle.

Craig

It is your birthday now, Jamie said so and she is never wrong.

So happy birthday

Jack

"msm mob amnesia? "

Patd, I think it's more like 'selectivity'.

"We must all learn to recycle"

And some days I just cycle

Jack

One thing we need to bring back is the use of stocks. Not the paper worthless kind, but the ones made from wood.

http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/12300/12397/stocks_12397_lg.gif

The first one should be set - up next to that big bronze bull on Wall Street.

I was going by a posting from Monday night .... teach me to believe a bunch of late night DJs

Craig -

It's got to be your birthday, I saw it on the internet.

Not his birthday? Makes sense, was wondering why I was the only one posting a happy birthday over at facebook.

craig, so it's your un-birthday too! once more round the table:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE5HYucqy60

Craig no typekey?
Follow Chloe's advice --you have to sign in about three times before it takes...

Birthday in July..consider these greetings either very late or very early!

Jack -yikes on the Coulter thing

"I saw it on the internet."

Ha...if you can't believe what you read on the internet, what can you believe?

International owners of US Debt

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

I've got a few minutes before I have to rush off and bring my mother to her first of many follow ups on her eye....

a few thoughts on Craig's chosen subject....
I've been listening to NPR which has done many hours of programming to the subject of what to do with this economy..... what's surprising is despite having guests from all over the spectrum, there isn't the usual food fight over ideologies on the subject..... when it comes to their own money, "the experts" appear to be throwing rhetoric overboard.....

there isn't a consensus on exactly what to do..... but there is a consensus on one very key point..... and that is job creation...... every "expert" has stated that the government needs to recreate a jobs program ala FDR style on this country's crumbling infrastructure..... and yes.... they all know it will balloon the federal deficit..... but they all agree it must be done in the short term anyways.....

and if Obama is to keep his promise on which he campaigned so fervently of government transparency..... he'd better let us know what he intends to cut...

oh well Craig...... then.... Happy Unbirthday!

TPMtv: Announcing 2nd Annual Golden Duke Awards

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/245867.php

"craig, so it's your un-birthday too! once more round the table"

Well, at least Craig knows he's loved.

Checked Craig out on Wiki.
Interesting read-
They noted that he called the media out for their treatment of the Clintons during the election.
"I really think the evidence-free bias against the Clintons in the media borders on mental illness." [8]
A good thing to be recognized for by them. am sure this election will be studied for years and Craig will come out as remaining a journalist.

looks like typekey is messing with itself, converting to typepad. expect trouble until they sort it out

Hey RR, guess you sent me an email that was sent back. Am looking into it later today. My personal email is kcowley at verizon dot net

"I've got a few minutes before I have to rush off and bring my mother to her first of many follow ups on her eye.... "

Renee, When do you have any spare time? Sounds like you go, go, go.

"expect trouble until they sort it out"

Not to worry Craig. We've been conditioned. We always expect trouble from type key.

I would think that once you get rid of the mohair subsidy we could pay for all the spending Obama wants to do.

Jack

This is a good time to start with the new green industry job and should include a good look at agriculture. Hopefully smaller farms and regional food production will be high on the list.

Since the bees have all disappeared we can do away with that one too. That lets us do away with the debt.

See problem solved

Jack

Renee

For the past several decades there has been an all out attack on the middle class of the western world as more and more manufacturing was either eliminated due to innovation or mechanization or outsourced to countries with lower wages.

At the same time populations world wide have doubled. So we have more and more bodies without access to higher education with fewer and fewer labor intensive jobs. Now even the white collar workers are becoming unnecessary and they have stopped shopping.

The whole definition of "work" will have to be changed at some point.

I hope we summon up the courage to impose a gas tax. Every penny of a federal gas tax, raises one billion dollars.

If we aren't going to tax ourselves to keep the switch to a more sustainable future moving, and to offset cost of doing it, well then we deserve what we get.

Craig,

The Mad Hatter and March Hare will soon drop by to serve tea. You've been working so hard, you probably look like the dormouse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdsZT7WKjW8

KGC

The problem with regional farms is the amount of arable land that has been removed from production in order to become suburb housing.

When California imports food from Bolivia, you know you have a problem.

love the Un-Birthday song, jamie -- perfect!

we really have become more like alice's wonderland instead of the muppets of days gone by

i'm all for more Un-Birthdays -- for everyone here. Happy Un-Birthday to all!

back to work

The problem you mentioned Jamie is not permanent as you look as the number of urban farms that have sprung up in places like Youngstown and Milwaukee --people need to look at new models not the same old ones

There is plenty of land for farming

just one example
Amid Housing Projects and Strip Malls A City Farm Thrives

CHICAGO (AP) - Amid a high-rise housing project, strip mall and busy intersection just north of the city's bustling business district, a small farm is flourishing on what was once vacant and blighted land.
http://www.chiefengineer.org/content/content_display.cfm/seqnumber_content/2254.htm

KGC

There needs to be the willingness to do it. Quantity and variety in crops can be a problem as well. It is a matter of education to learn to eat with the seasons.

People have lost touch with the sources and seasonality of their food.

renee, couldn't get to your link on yul, but found this one to liven up your day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-IP_Y8_3U

Jamie
There is a willingness to do it and not all people have lost touch and more and more people are seeing how important it is. Just as Safeway said just a few years ago..there was no interest in organic foods ...and now has their own line

We can't just throw up our hand...we have to find new ways that work and this is one of the opportunities of this crisis.

ps

One of the most successful programs for changing attitudes about the way we eat is the USDA program for school gardens.

We should all adopt the Thomas Jefferson's theory of eating
"meat as a condidment."

As far as acreage, the San Fernando Valley, Orange County, San Diego County, and the Central Valley used to be miles upon miles of nothing but farms. Hard to replace that with an acre here and there.

One thing I hope will come out of this recession is that it slows down the conversion of farm lands to housing.

KGC

I agree that it needs to be done. When I said that we need to rethink the whole nature of "work". It may be possible for a thousand acres to be farmed by a few people and a whole lot of machines.

It might be better for society as a whole for someone to get a salary for showing up next door to their apartment to grow potatoes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/spend-more-spend-less-yeah-rig.html#comment-177191

Oh speaking of Ann-Margret, I just found that her disco album is out on CD so of course I have ordered it via Amazon. I saw her in concert in the Northrup Auditorium in Minneapolis in 1982 (?) ... she was great, but one thing surprised me. After each number she would be totally out of breath... worryingly so. I wondered if it had anything to do with the fall she had in Vegas years earlier. Anyway I have her Greatest Hits CD ...

This is, in my humble opinion, her best song ever...

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da5mJ-8GdN8

Charted at #17 on Billboard Hot 100 in July 1961

I was just shy of 2 years old then... :)

Obama's Outrage!

http://www.globemagazine.com/story/271

Michael Pollan lays out the issue in his letter to the Farmer in Chief

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

What a great morning -- my granddaughter just called to say she'll be here in a little while, and to sing for me: "Who Stole The Kishka?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmLXrMv4-c&feature=related

Jamie -- thanks for that Amanda McBroom song! I knew nothing about it! Nor did I know about her father -- had to look it up, and am now going to track down one of those movies where his name was four or five down from "Errol Flynn" -- THANKS again. What a treat..

"David Bruce (January 6, 1914 – May 3, 1976) was an American film actor.

Born in Kankakee, Illinois he signed a movie contract with Warner Brothers in 1940. The Northwestern graduate appeared in many movies from the 1940s until 1955 when Bruce decided to give up acting. The 6' 1" actor appeared in over 60 movies including Flying Tigers (1942), Christmas Holiday (1944) and Lady on a Train (1945).

He is the father of singer-songwriter Amanda McBroom, who wrote the song "The Rose", made popular by Bette Midler. His daughter wrote a beautiful tribute to her father in a song titled "Errol Flynn."

Bruce died from a heart attack in Hollywood, California at the age of 62."

Happy Birthday, Craig

C-bob...I see you posted about the murders in Juarez....the border war continues. We no longer travel to Mexico...end of an era for us.

http://weburbanist.com/2008/03/30/5-urban-design-proposals-for-3d-city-farms-sustainable-ecological-and-agricultural-skyscrapers/

Urban farm design

Linking to the Globe ?
That's where this nasty Craig's birthday rumor started .

"One of the most successful programs for changing attitudes about the way we eat is the USDA program for school gardens.

We should all adopt the Thomas Jefferson's theory of eating
"meat as a condidment.""

Katherine

I sure do like your ideas, and also agree with them. I already believe in that 'meat as a condiment', and don't usually base my meals around meat or even poutry or fish (although I may include a small amount).
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"my granddaughter just called to say she'll be here in a little while, and to sing for me"

Patsi, How old is she?

Jack Crabb: After my religion period, I took up with a swindler: Allardyce Merriwhether. After Mrs. Pendrake his honesty was downright refreshing.

For no other reason, except you guys are talking about Errol Flynn and I was transported back in time.

Bette Davis Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eja-popojUo

In England the national value-added tax is dropping to 15% and there will be tax rebates given to most citizens. The down side is that after the 2011 elections, value-added tax will go back to it's original percentage and insurance costs will rise to cover the budget deficit created by the money hands-outs now. The Tories are up in arms about this but Labour counters that the economy is sooo in trouble that to do nothing will simply sink the country further to a point where it will be difficult to grow out of. It's risky because if Englanders are nervous about spending and simply put the money in their bank accounts, it will not achieve the goal of stimulating the economy.

One thing is for sure. We should never underestimate the power of the American economy to help grow the rest of the world's economy and in the same token, take it down with them on the sinking ship.

Looks like the fix is in for GM. It's stock is flying today.

Jack

Chloe

And then there is the meat as condiment theory of Hardee's

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-18-2006/0004342250&EDATE

Ha Katherine, Hate to admit it, but that looks good too.

"Looks like the fix is in for GM. It's stock is flying today. "

Jack, Is that the only sign we need?

Bow -

My all time favorite corporate jet ride -

George W. Bush flew on an Eron jet to his first swearing in.

Posted by: Colorado Bob | November 26, 2008 7:58 AM

Now if THAT wasn't a metaphor for the future, I don't know what is...

Inconvenient

"Russia was ready for this war, but the Georgian leadership started the military action first," -- Erosi Kitsmarishvili, Georgia's former Ambassador to Moscow, speaking Tuesday before a Georgian parliamentary commission investigating the war.

" We're all Georgian's now."

John McCain

Roads, skies to be less crowded over Thanksgiving
"Despite plummeting gas prices and unusual last-minute holiday deals on airplane tickets, more people are expected to stick close to home this Thanksgiving.

In fact, the Automobile Association of America says the 41 million Americans expected to take trips at least 50 miles for Thanksgiving is about 600,000 less than traveled last Thanksgiving.

The reason, as a surly economist might say? It's the economy, stupid."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081126/D94MKAHG1.html

Patsi

Amanda McBroom is a wonderful song writer as well as a cabaret singer

http://www.amcbroom.com/

I have all of her albums. It was the Barbara Cook song that introduced her. Two of my favorites in addition to Erroll Flynn are: Ship In A Bottle, Sweet Dreams, and Make Me a Kite.

Could only find Make Me A Kite on You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JPKqk3UQs

I don't know about this economic panel being headed by Paul Volcker. Wasn't he Jimmy Carter's Fed chief, the one who just kept raising interest rates until many banks (including the one I worked in) went bust? I will remember this to my dying day... We were issuing 30 month certificates of deposit at 15.45 % and I know it was compounded DAILY at 16.55% ! We were a mutual savings bank and the whole bank portfolio was basically in mortgages at 4, 5, 6 and 7%... The savers at the bank withdrew funds from their passbooks and put them in certificates...

Volcker's attempts to stop inflation did not seem to work. In the end many fine institutions that survived the Great Depression, sunk under the interest rate increases.

Obama's choice of a team of rivals says much about the president he will be
Tough, unsentimental, no naive liberal: the next leader has picked people to carry out his vision. But will Hillary play ball?

"we know the new administration will break from the old by valuing expertise and experience - quite a contrast after eight years of cronyism....

..."He's not looking for people to give him a vision. He's going to put together an administration of people who can effectuate his vision." In other words, he's not hiring Daschle or Summers or Clinton for their ideological colour. He's hiring them as political professionals who will take a brief - ultimately authored by him - and get the job done.

.....The only real criticism of Obama's presidency? That it hasn't started yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/26/barack-obama-cabinet-hillary-clinton

Good day all.

Three of my favorites.

Sheesh. Can't tell time, remember dates, or count to three.... not a good start to the day. Might go back to bed.

This is something I missed... A great video worth seeing from the bbcnews website.

Congregation digests Obama's win

The congregation of New Bethel Church in Washington, DC, digests Barack Obama's successful bid for the US presidency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/world_news_america/7721202.stm

This is beautiful !!! I'm so pleased to see people finding such hope and joy for their futures.

" Can't tell time, remember dates, or count to three.... "

In my house that's what we call a "good" day.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/spend-more-spend-less-yeah-rig.html#comment-177307

CB

Sort of depends on how you got in that condition doesn't it?

Jamie, don't feel bad. I thought a freind's birthday was on July 10th. I showed up to where she worked and I told everyone that it was her birthday. All day long people walked up to her and wished her happy birthday. 1 guy even sang Happy Birthday to her. I got a call from her later. "Did you tell everybody it was my birthday today?" she asked. I said, "Yeah. You're not mad, are you?" "My birthday isn't until the 14th." she said. "Oh. My mistake!" I said.

Gotta go make pumpkin pies. Have a good time folks

" Sort of depends on how you got in that condition doesn't it? "
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Yes, and in some cases we last as long as 85 years. We were made to be Bear Food. We sowed the seeds of our own destruction when we figured out how to deal with the Bear, that's what's gonna bankrupt us folks. The modern world is about to have a huge population of old people , who don't know the time, or where they are for that matter.
As a Student of Human Folly & the Natural Sciences, I can assure you all that this never been done before. Up until about 75 years ago, we all had the good sense to die earlier.
We all need to be eaten by the Bear by the time we reach 45, and slow down a bit , that way the tribe would stay thinned out .
The Bear did another function, he thinned out the stupid people . Civilization has allowed stupid people flourish . Better the Bear, drags one of us off every now & then at 4 A.M., than pay for all these old, and stupid people.
Governor Lamm of Colorado, looked at the problem (The old, not the stupid.), once upon a time. He came back, and spoke the truth. Old people have a duty to die sooner. That pretty well cooked his future in politics. That's why the modern politician can lie so fluidly, they all remember,
Governor Richard Lamm ; " ...rising star in the Democratic Party. "

Something bad on TV.

Terror attacks in India.

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - At least ten people were killed after shootings by unidentified assailants in Mumbai in what police said was a terror attack, local television stations said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4AP6PI20081126

c-bob, by what name shall we call your bear? senilicide? terrorism? pollution? perhaps there is a bear d'jour or incognito or in wolf's clothing tailor made to each culture.

Patd -
I used to tell school kids about the giant short faced bear. He could stand on his back legs, and look in a 2 story building. Except the late Pleistocene didn't have 2 story buildings. It did have human beings though, and they all went looking for breakfast together everyday.

Giant Short-Faced Bear
http://www.joevenusartist.com/Giant%20Short-Faced%20Bear.htm

They were all passing around one of the canine teeth we had dug up.
Which is 3 times bigger than the grizzly tooth, they're comparing it with.
It gave them a new appreciation for what the Folsom people were dealing with, just to get breakfast.
I didn't share my theory about bears and stupid people, but I tried to teach them that once upon a time the bear came to breakfast.

G Man,

Hey you can quit your whining now. The Obama "BC scandal" is finally being reported by the MSM and given it's proper take (frivilous):

"Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.. .
The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama."

From NBC’s Pete Williams
DUO TAKE OBAMA BIRTH CHALLENGE TO COURT
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx

Yeah if you gotta ride the train, you gonna ride the train.

Pay attention to that voice in your head, anyway .............. It'll give you something to do while you ride the train.

can anyone tell me if this link works?

http://apps.facebook.com/elfyourselfapp/fbhandler.ashx?mode=cview&fb_oid=1441770734

cool

Oh and Rez, Pete Williams was a Republican hack in the first Bush administration. From his own bio:

"Prior to joining NBC, Williams served as a press official on Capitol Hill for many years. In 1986 he joined the Washington, DC staff of then Congressman Dick Cheney as press secretary and a legislative assistant. In 1989, when Cheney was named Assistant Secretary of Defense, Williams was appointed Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs. While in that position, Williams was named Government Communicator of the Year in 1991 by the National Association of Government Communicators."

Rezdog ----------------

"... finally being reported by the MSM and given it's proper take (frivilous)"
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Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

"... it's possible that he's not a natural born citizen, isn't eligible to be President under the Constitution, and this issue could be bigger than Watergate ---- or any other "gate" in history?

Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.

Contrary to what you may have read, no document made available to the public, nor any statement by Hawaiian officials, evidences conclusively that Obama was born in Hawaii.

It has been reported that the Kenyan government has sealed Obama's records.

Obama has refused to disclose the vault copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate.

This is a legitimate issue of inquiry because Barack Obama has turned it into one. The growing number of people who demand an answer in conformance with the Constitution are doing their work; the people's watchdogs aren't."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_the_barack_obama_birth_cer.html

lol@ Gordo

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OBSESSION:

ob·ses·sion
Pronunciation:
\äb-ˈse-shən, əb-\
Function:
noun
Date:
1680
1: a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling ; broadly : compelling motivation

wow GORDO, you'd be a LOT of use at a party. You sure seem able to clear a room fast !

For EuroTom:

Obsession: Song by 80's new wave band Animotion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY

OMG Corey I loved the song! Thanks for posting it...

Time for bed now

cheers

Patd -
I have a history with bears :
My talking bear, - Bear #339
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzxhiPb6w8

My friends on Buddy Holly Ave. finished reclaiming a lot next to the Catus Theater this year. This was the storage lot for Greer Iron Works for 50 years. When it rains, old rusty valve springs float to the surface of the "earth". The Greer family was shoeing mules on this corner in 1935.
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None of them has the slightest green thumb, but this year I helped* them grow a 5 x 60 strip next to the south wall off the Catus in that dirt. We grew 82 gourds as part of the garden.
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Rabbit raisins, that's my secret.
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Rabbit raisins will fix anything coming out of the ground.
I had the presence of mind to shoot it more than once, and I'm making a movie based on a story my mother told me about the Catus Theater.
It's called " Peggy Chapman's Garden " . It's a great little story from 1948 Lubbock , Texas. My script is about done. So I can open up the can, and finish the narration. It's all my sisters get for Christmas this year. A U - Tube clip for Christmas.

helped* ........... I leaned on a shovel, and told them want to do. I felt like I was working for the city.

Corey -
Here's yer " Atta Boy "

Let's have a martini and dance -

We Built This City - Starship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7flrwE-bZVo

Big hair, and singing Lincolns.

I always thought the guilty pleasure from them was "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" LOL! Thanks, C-Bob!

ar.ro⋅gant   [ar-uh-guhnt] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.

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CB

Without the bear, you need to reduce the population on one end of the other. My children have pillow on the face instructions if nobody is home ... none of this wired up in perpetuity business.

When childhood diseases wiped out half of the children in a family, you needed five to ten children both for survival as a name and survival of bodies with additional child labor. Now any couple that have more than one aren't doing us any favors. If you want a crowded house go adopt some or bring some foster children in out of the cold.

The Indian attacks are getting really ugly now we have explosions to go with the murders.

And who would that be?

Sounds like Dumbya to me! lol

Interesting day. The IRA was up 10.5% for the day. 17% for the week.

Still fully invested in America and loving it.
Ford , Chevy, Walmart and Warren Buffet.

Jack

"Patsi, How old is she?"

Chloe -- She's three....

"He came back, and spoke the truth. Old people have a duty to die sooner. That pretty well cooked his future in politics. That's why the modern politician can lie so fluidly, they all remember,
Governor Richard Lamm ; "

Dick and Dottie Lamm were friends of mine...and until this election cycle I never was so disgusted at the misrepresentation of what people say. Dick very wisely commented about the lunacy of keeping aged people alive when all quality of life is gone. It is one of the things that has destroyed health care costs. And Dick was crucified for telling the truth....

Chloe

Re—Time--past--present--future

While I agree to your post in general ---I don't think the future is real-----like the bear that has been talked about in earlier post—we are animals too, and plan for a future meal cos of survival instincts. The bear when it makes a kill and does not eat all of what he killed at the time, but will bury it and come back to feed on it at a later when it gets hungry, is this planning for the future or survival instincts?----We do the same---only we have a brain that lets us plan better,but none the less, the same?

Time is an invention that we have come up with that lets us organize—but take the ability to invent time (organize ) away and we will be the same as other animals.-----In England once,the government told it's citizens that the calender would be adjusted by 14 day's----when the time came to do this, they did adjust the calender and shortened it by 14 days,,,as they had told the people---but once having done so, there was an uproar ---they demanded the 14 days back,,,,,cos they were convinced that they had lost 14 days off of their lives----yes the past and present combine,and because of our brain that we can use to make inventions like the refrig----to store meat for future meals,we sort of create a future,,gets a little confusing..,,,we will do whatever is needed at that present time in order to survive ????hope i made some sense, just rushing in and saw your post ---if not i will take my time and try again

The proper time interval would be measured by an observer with a clock traveling between the two events in an inertial reference frame, when the observer's path intersects each event as that event occurs

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"That should have been in quotes"

LOL Jack, You had me worried there for a minute. I thought those were your words.

-- and it was in McCaslin's eyes too, he had only to look at McCaslin's eyes and it was there, that summer twilight seven years ago, almost a week after they had returned from the camp before he discovered that Sam Fathers had told McCaslin: an old bear, fierce and ruthless not just to stay alive but ruthless with the fierce pride of liberty and freedom, jealous and proud enough of liberty and freedom to see it threatened not with fear not even alarm but almost with joy, seeming deliberately to put it into jeopardy in order to savor it and keep his old strong bones and flesh supple and quick to defend and preserve it; an old man, son of a Negro slave and an Indian king, inheritor on the one hand of the long chronicle of a people who had learned humility through suffering and learned pride through the endurance which survived the suffering, and on the other side the chronicle of a people even longer in the land than the first, yet who now existed there only in the solitary brotherhood of an old and childless Negro's alien blood and the wild and invincible spirit of an old bear; a boy who wished to learn humility and pride in order to become skillful and worthy in the woods but found himself becoming so skillful so fast that he feared he would never become worthy because he had not learned humility and pride though he had tried, until one day an old man who could not have defined either led him as though by the hand to where an old bear and a little mongrel dog showed him that, by possessing one thing other, he would possess them both; and a little dog, nameless and mongrel and many-fathered, grown yet weighing less than six pounds, who couldn't be dangerous because there was nothing anywhere much smaller, not fierce because that would have been called just noise, not humble because it was already too near the ground to genuflect, and not proud because it would not have been close enough for anyone to discern what was casting that shadow, and which didn't even know it was not going to heaven since they had already decided it had no immortal soul, so that all it could be was brave even though they would probably call that too just noise.

sorry.........credit bill faulkner, of oxford

"is this planning for the future or survival instincts?-"

For animals, definitely survival instinct Solar.
We may do the same thing, but it's for more practical reasons.

Your post made perfect sense to me. But I still see time as more about perception than anything else. And I do think animals are just as aware of it as we are.

Have a good Thanksgiving everyone.

doesnt energy equal mass times the speed of time?

ah....how soon I forget all my little grade scholastics lessons........energy equals mass times the speed of times square.......

"..energy equals mass times the speed of times square......."

Sturge, Isn't that formula just more of our obsession to organize, that Solar is talking about?

Time is a basic property of the universe, we didn't invent it.

we invented the manipulation of time----there are no rolex's watches on the moon, are there----we made a calender, and invented earth time-------and by the way i do agree with u there is not time at all----just the universes time

no way, sturge. time equals energy's speed to mass with squares of light.

I wonder if bill faulkner ever lived in Oxnard while he was writing movies.........

pat, the voice of reason. :)

einstein mighta been a genius, but I'd wager he didn't know the first damn thing about Mass.

"we invented the manipulation of time--"

In order to understand it.

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Patsi,

I thought it was one of the most perceptive statements ever made by a politician and couldn't understand all the uproar. I guess some people are so terrorized by the IDEA of dying that they can't confront the prospect at all.

people make god statements all the time without explicitly divulging their personal beliefs in this entity or that........god doesnt play dice sounds like a nice way to tell whoever asked him the question which solicited that answer to mind his or her own business.......

as einstein was jewish, thence would be the basis of my willingness to wager about his knowlege of particulars in a catholic mass......

stuuurge, time's square is no where near oxford and faulkner lacked time and energy to go to mass. however, sound and fury speeds the light but doesn't energize it.

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Sturgeone

"My mother is a fish".

Good ol' Bill whittling down the whole act of dying down to a five word chapter.

Philosophy of Science
Does God Play Dice with the Universe?
"Throughout his life, Einstein repeatedly claimed that God does not "play dice", as he put it, with the universe. What did he mean? And why did he say it?"
http://www.eequalsmcsquared.auckland.ac.nz/sites/emc2/tl/philosophy/dice.cfm

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

[j. wocky]

Einstein's exposure to science produced a sudden reaction against religion at age12-------As a result , Einstein avoided religious rituals for the rest of his life...he had an aversion to the orthodox practice of the Jewish or any traditional religion.

Solar didn't mean man invented time. He meant man created organization and terminology in order to talk about time, keep track of it, and understand it.

"Wocka wocka wocka."

---Fozzy Bear

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Beware the Jabberwock my son
And shun the frumious bandersnatch

"I know what you're thinking about, but it isn't so, nohow."

"Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."

[t-dum to t-dee]

Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in a Gos who concerns himself with the fate and the doings on mankind.

"I thought it was one of the most perceptive statements ever made by a politician and couldn't understand all the uproar. I guess some people are so terrorized by the IDEA of dying that they can't confront the prospect at all."

I know, Jamie. Around the time Dick made the statement, my father had just demanded to be taken from the hospital (where his doctor had informed him they'd put him on life support when "the time" came....and I still remember my mother saying that Dick Lamm was going to be stoned for telling the truth. I can't believe that ANYONE would want to live for months or years hooked up to machines. For what?

I told my kids if I haven't asked for a glass of wine or a cigarette in 24 hours, pull the plug. (Seriously, I've got a living will that won't allow any plug-in's to begin with...)

gos =god

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ighC8sx5xg

Dylan on TDee and TDum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ighC8sx5xg

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Same here Patsi. Keep me comfy until I exit stage right, but that's all. No wires. No machines. No wishful thinking surgery to give me another 60 days ... nada, zilch, nothing.

Given family heritage that will get me to somewhere beyond 85 and that's enough fun for any one person.

*big fat smile*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUnqbBgYZmI

Gossip column time: Johnny Depp will play the Mad Hatter in a new Alice In Wonderland. And from that bit you can only go one place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmJQyS8QVw

"and that's enough fun for any one person."

Exactly! I want someone to say what an old friend of my dad's said at his funeral: "He lived every minute of every day twice."

patsi and jamie,

1. but what if the plug is pulled and you're still hanging around? you don't go gently or ungently into that good night, what then?

2. or what if your body is still here, hale and hearty, but the mind has gone to alzheimer'sville? what will the kids do then?

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Solar shoots and scores.

The Book Einstein-his life and Universe-------is a great book----by Walter Isaacson---author of Benjamin Franklin --an american life

"Wocka wocka wocka."

profoundly abstruse, sturge, so esoteric... you solved the deep quandries of the night. nothing more need be said.

patd -- I won't be hooked up to anything anyway. I've already made that clear, in writing. I was with a friend through her last years of ALS, and made that decision.

As far as Alzheimer's goes....that's tricky. I guess the only way to put it is that I won't allow it to get that far. No one in my extended family has ever had it, so I have no idea what the reality is....but I've told my kids that should I start to feel it coming on, my next move is to head for South Louisiana and start a knife fight with a drunken Cajun.

Patd...............with Fozzy Bear, all things are possible...........

"Take up your michrophone and follow me......"

--Fozzy Bear

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My kids have standing instructions to figure out how to dispense with the carcass without getting themselves jail time.

That elderly, it is hard to tell between "natural causes" and a pillow over the face or a little added morphine, and no coroner is going to look all that close when the body is obviously aged.

"I've done more reading on Einstein and Theoretical physics than just about 99.9% of the people on the planet."

ROFLAP--- rolling on the floor laughing and puking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" The Indian attacks are getting really ugly now we have explosions to go with the murders. "

I heard something important tonight. Richard Engle said it on MSNBC.

The cell phone system there went down during the attacks. But then it came back up .
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That smells, that really smells.

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Patsi

No one is my family has ever shown signs of Alzheimers, so I'm not all that worried. Still, the awareness is there in the early stages and if I feel "me" slipping away, I'll arrange to be gone.

Patsi
: "He lived every minute of every day twice."

that is why he had no regrets ---had that ten gallon hat, and a stogy ---and, and, and------when most are feeling sorry that they have to leave-----he did not---he knew that he filled in the time that he had here with a large degree of satisfaction...i have known only one person like that-

"My kids have standing instructions to figure out how to dispense with the carcass without getting themselves jail time."

Jamie -- I'd like to just be put out on the curb on trash day....cheaper than anything else.... :)

"should I start to feel it coming on, my next move is to head for South Louisiana and start a knife fight with a drunken Cajun."

lol, patsi, but what if you forget which way's south and end up in minnesota with garrison keillor at lake woebegone?

KO's "Worst Person" really deserved it tonight.

"The cell phone system there went down during the attacks. But then it came back up ."

C-Bob -- shades of the day JFK was shot!

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I've told mine that I will do my best to die on Tuesday night, since trash day is Wednesday.

Barring that they should join some religion that allows people to eat their dead.

with alzheimer's you get to the corner and forget where you were going.....and how to get back home.....but you can remember really well what yer uncle T-bone did to Ain't Florence that day on the Coosa River............

"lol, patsi, but what if you forget which way's south and end up in minnesota with garrison keillor at lake woebegone?"

ROFL, patd -- that would be the hell I fear!!!!!

"That smells, that really smells."

c-bob, that little voice of yours is talking to me too.

since this is a major finance capitol, wonder what transpired in those few minutes while things were down.

Solar -- I will tell Miss Maria hello from you...she is a pistol. Walks with a swagger, smart and funny -- and she knows her granny is a pushover!!!!

patd........the usual........

I used this song for a friend who died too soon but lived more in 50 years than most people do in a 100

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C3aIQoyizs

sturge, a little bit of "pillfering" here and there? or a lot of skulduggery and back to the ship mateys.

Wow - Patsi
I've always voted for Dick Lamm , I loved Dick Lamm . They beat him like a baby seal. It was terrible. His only mistake was he was right.

when i was in denver Nancy Dick ran agaiinst Armstrong.........the final headline was Armstrong wins out over Dick.......

I dont make it up......i just remember it........

Dick Lamm -

Never be early and right. More arrows there than anywhere.

" used this song for a friend who died too soon but lived more in 50 years than most people do in a 100"

Jamie -- I LOVE Howard Keel's voice! Great song, too.

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Sturgeone,

Wouldn't that headline be better if it read:

Armstrong Beats Dick

Solar,

I want you to know how much I've enjoyed our little conversation. If I wanted to read straigt facts and proven information, there's plenty of sources I could hunt through on the internet. I enjoy our exchange of ideas and comparison of our perception of the things we've already learned and thought about over the years.

As you know, it's impossible to have a conversation with someone who cannot read between the lines. Likewise impossible, with someone that already thinks they know everything there is to know. I'm sorry you had to hear the insults tonight. You didn't deserve them, and I hope you won't let them deter you from continuing with the same honesty and straight forwardness you've brought to this site. I enjoy you tremendously.

Have a great Thanksgiving, and hope to see you back here at the end of the week. :)

Jamie......I always felt that some anonymous headline writer spent YEARS kicking himself in the ass over that very possible headline which was never written......

C-Bob -- we lost a strong mind when that one statement was turned into political fire. Dick Lamm was the real deal.

Waiter -

We'll have another round of rim shots.

Ba-Da- Boom.

We'll be here the rest of the week, be sure to tip your bar tenders, and waitresses.
2 Floor shows a night, that's 2 Big shows every night.

Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: Clerk Bickell Allegedly Obstructing Justice on Another Emergency Stay Application

"Today, Leo Donofrio, Plaintiff in Donofrio v. Wells, reported on Mr. Cort Wrotnowski’s emergency stay case from Connecticut. He says that Supreme Court of the US (SCOTUS) Clerk Danny Bickell is again denying Mr. Wrotnsowski’s motion in similar fashion as he did to Mr. Donofrio’s.

UPDATE
…has been docketed, despite having initially been denied process by the SCOTUS stay clerk, Danny Bickell. Wrotnowski’s case has been submitted to the Honorable Associate Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Circuit Justice for the 2nd Circuit (includes Connecticut)."

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1216

Patsi

That song is from "Barnum" which has some of the most meaningful lyrics ever written in several of the songs. Jim Dale starred in the US production and if you can get the soundtrack album it is worth the money.

Colors of My Life has two sets of lyrics - one for those who flame out and bring such excitement to life and one for the quieter ones who had clarity and peace.

Here are the quiet ones:

The colors of my life
Are softer than a breeze.
The silver gray of eiderdown,
The dappled green of trees.
The amber of a wheat field,
The hazel of a seed,
The crystal of a raindrop,
Are all I'll ever need.
Your reds are much too bold,
In gold I find no worth.
I'll fill my days with sage and brown
The colors of the earth,
And if from by my side
My love should roam,
The colors of my life
Will shine a quiet light
To lead him home.

The proclaimers ----- I'm on my way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHjT-TEqLBs

Sturg watch this one.

"This past week, Leo C. Donofrio forwarded to the Honorable Chief Justice John G. Roberts an official allegation of misconduct against SCOTUS stay clerk, Danny Bickell.

United States Supreme Court docket no. 08A407, Donofrio v. Wells, is now "Distributed for Conference of Dec. 5th, 2008" to the full Court meeting in private on that date. The case was the subject of previous sabotage by SCOTUS stay clerk, Danny Bickell (as well as judicial misconduct by NJ Appellate Division Judge Jack M. Sabatino). Bickell, after receiving the emergency stay application which requested extraordinary relief to stay the national election, took it upon himself to deny the application on the very time sensitive date it was filed, Nov. 3, a day before the election day popular vote."

http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/2008/11/donofrio-forwards-to-chief-justice.html

That Proclaimers is a very cool clip .

Peter O'Toole & Anthony Quinn - Lawrence of Arabia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QHSeFRsA0

" What are you doing Englishman ? "

It really does add new meaning to the term:

Chanukah Bush

Jesus cont--

Caiaphas' prediction about haw the crowd would react once Jesus was shown to e helpless was soon fully vindicated.Pilate publicly exhibited the condemned man and not a voice was lifted in protest. Pilate even went so far as to offer to free Jesus, if the mob wanted him back.The gospels claim that Pilate made that offer because he himself believed that Jesus was innocent. But Pilate, you will recall, was a touchy, heavy fisted military hard-liner who kept having trouble with the Jerusalem mob, According to Josephus, Pilate once lured several thousand people into the Jerusalem stadium, surrounded them with soldiers, and threatened to cut their heads off. On another occasion his men infiltrated the mob by wearing civilian clothes over their armor and on a given signal clubbed everyone in sight.In presenting Jesus to the rabble that had only yesterday adored and protected him, Pilate as making use of the inexorable logic of the military-messianic tradition to impress the natives with their own stupidity, There stood their supposedly divine liberator, King of the Holy Jewish Empire, utterly helpless against a few Roman soldiers. The crowd may very well have responded by demanding that Jesus be killed as a religious imposter, but Pilate was not interested in crucifying religious charlatans. To the Romans, Jesus was just another subversive who deserved the same fate as all the other rabble-rousing bandits and revolutionaries who kept crawling out of the desert. That was why the title on Jesus' cross read "king of the Jews"

S.G.F. Brandon a former dean of the School of Theology of the University of Manchester, reminds us that Jesus was not crucified alone, the gospels report that his fate was shared by two other convicted criminals. What was the crime for which Jesus' companions were put to death? In English language version s of the gospels, the two are said to be "thieves." but the original Greek manuscript term for them was Lestai, precisely the same term that Josephus used when he wanted to refer to the zealot-bandits. Brandon believes that we can be even more specific about who these "bandits" actually were. Mark states that at the time of Jesus' trial, the Jerusalem jail contained a number of prisoners that had made insurrection. If Jesus c' companions were drawn from these insurrection , the grisly scene at Golgotha obtains a unity otherwise lacking. the supposed messianic King of the Jews at he center, flanked by two zealot-bandits--a scene compatible with everything that we know about the mentality of colonial officers intent on teaching law and order to rebellious natives

All four gospels converge on the somber spectacle of Jesus suffering on the cross with the disciples nnowhere n sight. The disciples could not believe that a messiah would permit himself to be crucified. They did not as yet have the slightest inkling that the Jesus cult was to be the cult of a peaceful rather than a vengeful savior. In fact, as Brandon points out, the gospel of Mark gains its dramatic thrust from the failure of the disciples to grasp the reason why their messiah will not destroy his enemies and will not save himself from being killed.

S' long to Craig's Unbirthday...

...and my dad's...he's been gone nearly 43 years now, and would have been 80 years old today...

Solar

Jefferson Airplane - The Son Of Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9csUBxxWeI

Ivy

If my math is right, you lost your father when you were really young since he would have been only 37. Much the same with my mother who was only 42.

Whenever you become an orphan, it is a loss.

"It means as one approaches the speed of light time slows down"

Another example of how the universe screws you

In other words the faster you go the slower you go.

Jack

Jack

thanks for the song---and for the u tube arlo, and emmy lou harris

Your explanation that you gave is very similar to the one i gave a few threads ago----i used a train as an example,,,and the observer watching it go by---you explained it much better----i also commented on that speed a saw at a saw mill looks like it is not moving----and that is why they have florecent linghting---they could cut off their hands,,,,thanks---

that is the saw looks as if it is not moving

"However if both your cousin and her husband both had stop watches able to show such small difference each watch would show a different run time. "

True, that is because they have a different inertial reference frame.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/spend-more-spend-less-yeah-rig.html#comment-177462

Jamie, you're a math whiz, that's exactly how old my dad was, leaving my mom age 34 with four kids to raise. She's still going strong at 78, having outlived my dad as well as her second husband. I hope it's her genes I got. From my dad, I got much else in his short time, including his love of books and study...my prized mementos are his "Poems of Robert Frost" with inked notes in the margins, and the now ancient-and-fragile 3-volume set of Carl Sandburg's "Abraham Lincoln."
Thanks for letting me share my memory of him on this milestone day.

Night all

Jack

coming on in 5 minutes. :-)

I just found my old baseball manager via ZABA Search. He's alive and well and 87 years old. I called him 15 years ago...how time flies...he's still running and doing those damn pushups...amazing!

Do not miss the interviews that Sean Penn did with Hugo and Raul.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081215/penn?rel=hp_picks

Among other things to be thankful for is the right to be as ill-bred, rude, and childish as one wishes to be in any given situation, because we all certainly have the ability to do so. We can also be thankful that most of us seem to be a little too proud or have too much self-respect to exercise that right.

Solar and others, have a wonderful warm Thanksgiving!

"it's fun to see the Obama's interacting as a couple."

I got a kick out of them being flirtatious with one another.

If we're doing "Alice in Wonderland" which I'm a BIG fan of especially because I'm currently working in Wonderland, we need to figure out who's who.

I see Jamie as the Queen of Hearts. I'll be the hedge hog. Craig's the Mad Hatter.

Etc.....

tt

If we expand the thought to "Through the Looking Glass", I see C-Bob as The Man in White Paper.

tt

We were talking about Governor Lamm yesterday. It seems the Japanese PM just made the same mistake of telling the truth

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20081127/AS.Japan.Gaffe.Prone.Leader/

Holy cow,

I came on here to wish everyone a happy thanksgiving and I see that Colorado Bob was the first person in on the post...

CBob, how the hell are you???

I'm becoming a huge believer in the Secret/Law of Attraction because every time I wonder what's happened to someone, I see or here from them...

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!!