Rethinking the 'Former Rivals' Model

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Call me dubious about Barack Obama's apparent enthusiasm for emulating Abraham Lincoln's choice to bring former political rivals into his Cabinet. It worked a century and a half ago when White House infighting was mostly private, but in today's world every squabble could become a public spectacle.

 

When Lincoln did not like what was written about him, he ordered the military to shut down a New York newspaper and arrest the editors. Presumably, those days are gone.

 

Scandal-crazed bloggers, out-of-control partisans and unmanageable leakers now lurk around new administrations like nothing before. Big egos, each with a unique political base and a personal agenda, could distract the nation and derail the new administration

 

Naïve presidents often first take office with grand promises about how, this time, the members of the Cabinet will be more than lap dogs. Jimmy Carter, for instance, vowed to run his administration with a strong Cabinet, holding weekly meetings that soon became bi-weekly, and then monthly, and, by his last year, quite seldom.

 

If Obama avoids the pattern of abandoning early promises of Cabinet-wide government in favor of an entrenched White House, it will be a first, almost since Lincoln's time.

 

    Comments

  1. piranha amongst us..........

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 6:05 AM

  2. Dick Cavett on Imus this AM<.........

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 6:08 AM

  3. <::[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]{{{{)

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 6:11 AM

  4. Loved X's comments on Bush/Cheney last night:

    "Heaven prevent anyone from thinking that I am a fan of rice, but howinell could anyone work the job, as you describe it, in an administration where the president channels messages from Jesus, and the government is run by a boozed up VP, who reads the SoS's mail before she gets it, is an insufferable martinet, and who is a fan of Mussolini, to boot ?

    Since drunkendickcheney shot his pal, and his familiar was convicted of lying to the FBI, together causing cheney's downfall, rice has made real progress. Instead of being follicle deep in the elephant dudu, we are now only lip deep."

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 6:18 AM

  5. "Doooon't make a waaaaaaaaaaaave......."

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 6:30 AM

  6. I think mqw and i were talking about aspects of your column on the prior thread......promises and fulfillment, hope, etc......

    dont make a wave......cant remember the set up which made that into a joke and a punchline, but I heard it in the 3rd grade from my older brothers who always shared their finds with me...........the setting is Lucifer and the new guy in front of this 3rd door in Hades while audibly emanating from within the door are the so-carefully uttered words:
    "Dooooon't maaaaaaake a Waaaaave. "
    Then another voice, "Doooooooon't maaaaake a waaaaave."

    the door opens to show 3 guys chained in the middle of a room full of sewage up to their lips.

    I guess there was a glass door within the outer door to keep the sewage from spilling out when the door opened.

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 6:48 AM

  7. Maybe if they rename the Volt the Chevy Barak or the Gore, it could save Detroit. Wait. People have to have jobs to get credit to buy cars. On the other hand, people will want big, old-school Detroit cars to live in when they can't pay their mortgages. Somebody fire Hank Paulson right now.

    Seems like Stephen Colbert brought up something that sounded like insider trading when Mark Cuban was on his show a long, long time ago.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | November 18, 2008 7:25 AM

  8. Why don't they go after Jerry Jones instead?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 7:39 AM

  9. Morn'n all...
    Fire Hank for why? He is just doing what the congress gave him..... and what the gov't created.

    SHould gov't bailout GM, Ford, Chrysler, GE ?

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 7:45 AM

  10. Craig -
    Was this a McCain line - "That one is so Naïve"

    Barack looks older all ready - Darn shame when reality hits you and you get what you asked for...

    Dooooon't maaaaaaake a Waaaaave

    love it sturg

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 7:47 AM

  11. "Naïve presidents often first take office with grand promises about how, this time, the members of the Cabinet will be more than lap dogs."

    Craig, For a dreamer (at least there are times you seem like one to me), you certainly are also a realist. Nice combination. :)


    Craig pointed out something toward the end of the last thread. Here it is for anyone interested and missed it:

    "i didn't limit my concerns to just swear words, RR, here's what i also said:"
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173721

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 8:16 AM

  12. Goodmorning

    On my 2nd cup of coffee,
    Just finished the morning phone call with the wife.

    Now with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

    Chloe
    Teachers pet, teachers pet, niener, niener, niener.

    A blog that engages in respectful debate and doesn't engage in name calling? You are wacko crazy, what kind of blog would that be?
    Boooooooring.
    ;-)

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 8:45 AM

  13. btw

    if you get the resonance right you can make a wave that will provide more than a bit of entertainment at the expense of your fellow pool mates. After all it is hell and you take your entertainment where you can.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 8:52 AM

  14. "...a room full of sewage up to their lips." Sturg, that was supposed to be _really_ concentrated 'sewage'.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 8:52 AM

  15. Obama Should Look to FDR Not Lincoln
    "In the last week, I've spoken with a gaggle of experts, some of them in finance, some in real estate and some in just plain investments. I've interviewed media magnates, both foreign and domestic, an investment banker, a manufacturer, and a former banker. This is what I have to report: Economically, we're in a recession. Psychologically, we're in a depression. The reason: None of these experts knows what to do.

    .....what he might not appreciate is that among his many gifts, the one that might matter most is how close he can come to Rooseveltian enthusiasm, that optimism, that capacity for empathy that made so many ordinary people love this rich man and stick with him. Lincoln, a sometimes melancholy and somber man, belongs, as Edwin M. Stanton said, "to the ages." Roosevelt belongs to ours."
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/11/obama_should_look_to_fdr.html

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 8:53 AM

  16. "Chloe
    Teachers pet, teachers pet, niener, niener, niener."

    LOL Jack, One thing I've never been is a teachers pet. Never. I'm too unconventional and rebellious. :)

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 8:55 AM

  17. The many panic stricken comparisons to the depression is amusing. As grandad would say" this little down turn wouldn't make a pimple on the but of the great deppression."
    When Roosevelt took office unemployment was 25% and that was just for the men. For women it was near 100%.
    My mother inlaw was old enough that she could remember when they got toys for christmas. Her younger siblings didn't get toys.

    What we have going on right now is an old fashion Panic. They happened on a regular basis in pre regulation times and they occurred for many of the same reasons. We had a run on the unregulated banking system.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:06 AM

  18. Chloe
    I believe you,

    You trouble maker, you McCain plant

    :-)

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:10 AM

  19. I think what we actually have here is a nice going away present for a lot of fat cats and one final last grasp CASH GRAPPLE........it's take the money and run time.....

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 9:12 AM

  20. "You trouble maker, you McCain plant"

    uh, oh. Outed again.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:12 AM

  21. Flate.......I cleaned it up for publication........you just cant re-tell 3rd grade jokes in the original 3rd grader's vernacular......entirely too crude and rude......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 9:17 AM

  22. Good morning, Here's an article from Pat Buchanan - As GM Goes, So Goes The GOP
    http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/11/pjb-as-gm-goes-so-goes-the-gop/

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:19 AM

  23. that woulda been the year ev-lis came on the tee vee......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 18, 2008 9:19 AM

  24. Tom

    You ask, in the last couple of days, when was the proper time to put up Christmas lights. I usually do so in the weeks after thanks giving. A few at a time to give the neighbors time to adjust.
    However, the new folks down the street have jumped the gun they had lights up this weekend, (very tasteless too I might add). I was going to scale back on the lights this year but I'm afraid this is war.
    At least my light show will be tastefully done.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:21 AM

  25. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/rethinking-the-former-rivals-m.html#comment-174523

    It worked quite well that way before the more obvious exposure under the CQ banner. Unfortunately, the old places kept crashing, so we are stuck with trying to hang on to our kinder, gentler blog with the quirky personality in this very bright lights, big city place.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:22 AM

  26. mornin' all.

    Not a lot of time today or tomorrow, but I did take a look at some of last night's posts.

    Patsi, I heard Hannity yesterday calling the current economic downturn the Obama Recession. He and Dick are tight as ticks. Typical RWNM nonsense - they blamed the 2001 recession on Clinton after rhe left office and are blaming the 2008 one on Obama before he comes into office - despite the fact that it was beginning to crank up before even the primary season began. Here's the RWNM rule: if it's bad, call it something with either Clinton or Obama's name attached; if it's good, call it something with either Reagan or Bush's name attached. Here's an example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19econ.html?_r=1&hp

    This is to be called the Obama October 2008 Producer Prices downturn. It's the steepest since the Clinton downturn in '01 after the 9/11 attacks and the Clinton Downturn in '86, which was in anticipation of Clinton's election 6 years later.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:24 AM

  27. Gay Marriage is Inevitable in the Long Run

    The Loving Decision
    Same-sex marriage was beaten back at the ballot box. Now here's a history lesson on why victory is inevitable in the long run.

    "The world only spins forward.....this is about one of the most powerful forces for good on earth, the determination of two human beings to tether their lives forever."

    ".........all Americans, "no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry." ..... That's what Loving, and loving, are all about."
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/169157/page/2

    Gotta get to work and then run errands. Thanks all.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:24 AM

  28. "I think what we actually have here is a nice going away present for a lot of fat cats and one final last grasp CASH GRAPPLE........it's take the money and run time....."

    I think you are right, sturge....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:29 AM

  29. Glenn Beck Accosted At Wendy's: "You Racist Bigot!"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/17/glenn-beck-accosted-at-we_n_144411.html

    I wonder if he soiled himself, funny.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:36 AM

  30. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/rethinking-the-former-rivals-m.html#comment-174534

    In some ways, this downturn "feels" worse for many people simply because they no longer have the support system available to most people during the depression and are used to being individuals rather than directly involved in their families and communities.

    Three generations in the same home was common. Most women did not work with the exceptions of those in poverty (share croppers), domestic help that often lived with the family, and the "acceptable" professions of teaching and nursing.

    In addition, most homes had a produce garden. Women regularly canned their own food, kept chickens for eggs and Sunday dinner. The idea of daily shopping at a supermarket for fresh food was virtually unknown except among the wealthy in which case the merchant often came to you.

    The big kicker in the great depression was the ecological disaster of the dust bowl that wiped out so many families.

    I'm not sure what the comparison would be for total number of homeless on the street. Given the rise in population, it could be that while the percentages may be lower now, the numbers are acually greater.

    This doesn't minimize the Great Depression, but it may explain the psychology of fear or panic that some people today may be feeling.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:45 AM

  31. Here's something to get all your hackles up!

    Chris Matthews Overheard Trashing Hillary Clinton: "She's Just A Soap Opera"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/18/chris-matthews-overheard_n_144545.html

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:48 AM

  32. great post, Craig. again, leaders going back in time for change...makes me feel less hopeful and maybe doomed. On the heels of a bailout bust, Mr. Obama needs to become that futurist, not a model of the past.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:50 AM

  33. "Here's the RWNM rule: if it's bad, call it something with either Clinton or Obama's name attached; if it's good, call it something with either Reagan or Bush's name attached. "

    I know, Pogo -- and I well remember during the 1999 campaign, how Bush/Cheney talked down the US economy to the point that I feared they were absolutely manipulating the markets.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:53 AM

  34. Thanks for all your 'soundtrack of your life' posts.

    When I worked in radio, one of our promotions was "songs you want to run over with a steamroller" -- and we held a summer picnic in our parkinglot, invited listeners to bring 45s (remember 45s? lol) to lay on the ground and we STEAMROLLED 'em. What a blast!!

    SO, tomorrow, the top 10 songs you wanna steamroll!!

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:56 AM

  35. "Tastefully done? somehow I doubt that!"

    And once again, the personal insults begin.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:56 AM

  36. when paulsen talks, my bull-shit-o-meter goes wild.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:56 AM

  37. er... i just realized that i didn't make it clear that these are songs (like earwig songs) that you just CANT stand.

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:57 AM

  38. Craig,

    Obama is playing his cards so close to the vest, that I suspect he may be ordering from a chinese menu of possiblities: I'll take Lincoln Lo Mein, FDR Rice, A Carter pot sticker, and a few futurist dim sum.

    He seems to be using this time to actually study the issues that will be facing him in January while carefully building a team to handle them.

    Everyone else is on the outside peering through the steaming windows .... "what do you think he ordered" "don't know can't see from here". "where's the menu, let's guess"

    The problem with talking heads is that while they may fill TV time, they add a great deal more heat and darn little light, and frequently drive public opinion in totally falacious directions.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 9:59 AM

  39. "SO, tomorrow, the top 10 songs you wanna steamroll!! "

    I don't know. It's very close to the actions of country stations who brought in steamrollers to destroy Dixie Chick CDs after Natalie made a joke about George Bush. CDs were crushed, and the Chicks were banned at Clear Channel stations. (Clear Channel denied it was a "banning" of course....)

    I'll think about songs I dislike...but stop short of a wood chipper.....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:00 AM

  40. "when paulsen talks, my bull-shit-o-meter goes wild."

    Ditto that, Blonde....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:01 AM

  41. "The problem with talking heads is that while they may fill TV time, they add a great deal more heat and darn little light, and frequently drive public opinion in totally falacious directions."

    Hear, hear! (We need more like our leader -- who actually thinks before he talks, and looks at issues from several angles.)

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:04 AM

  42. I'm not sure how BO is going to pull off alot of substantive change. So far, all of the names I've heard mentioned in cabinet are more of the same.

    It seems like he's tying himself down with alot of these
    people who bring alot of baggage with them.

    I hope that he knows what he's taking on.

    Posted by: jaxtrader Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:04 AM

  43. Which reminds me of why I started listening to Craig's commentaries lo those many years ago. I first heard him on Imus -- and noticed that while I agreed with him at times, and disagreed at times, I never felt a snarky tone or gotcha moment. He might laugh and make a joke or aside, but I never saw a meanspirited attack.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:06 AM

  44. not one mention of the wars and the slow leak of billions over the years...I am so naive to really believe the government can cure (never prevent) the nightmare of their making. Bush impact...will be with most of us to the end of our time.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:12 AM

  45. Sturg the setup was something like, "The Devil gave him a choice of three doors. The man listened at door number one and heard the most terrible screaming. At the second door there was constant moaning and cries for mercy. Finally at the third door, the man listened and heard the most gentle, calming murmurs. Immediately, he told the Devil, I want to go here! ..."

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:14 AM

  46. I blogged on some of the problems with Obama's "Team of Rivals" interpretation yesterday:

    http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=45203

    I have the feeling Obama will start out wanting to form a "TOR" for noble reasons, but will end up making his choices out of less elevated political realities.

    Posted by: Heather M | November 18, 2008 10:15 AM

  47. I second Jamie's Comments Craig.

    You comments were appropriately negative and should cause a some great debate. ;0)

    So I will just add that Obama's disipline is a breath of fresh air. After experiencing the disipline of the campaign, we are dealing with delibarate and or feeler leaks from now on.

    By the end of his term, I bet the historians will begin analysing the "Obama" style of leadership because Lincoln's Team of Rivals can only be a pattern of high the standards that Obama begins with.


    Posted by: Chef Sheila | November 18, 2008 10:17 AM

  48. Jax

    That is almost inevitable as DC tends to be very internecine. You need a group that knows all the ins and outs of machinations of the Hill. Without them, a President can be completely stonewalled by Congress as Carter found out when he tried going completely with his Georgia team.

    I think Obama is trying for balance by using DC power players coupled with his Illinois group and his Democratic supporters from the campaign. (this is said with full knowledge that I, just like the other speculators, I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about)

    I will say that the part of the party and the pundits who don't like the Clintons or the people associated with them and who are biting Obama's ankles about their involvement in this new White House team should just shut up and let the man do what he needs to do for the next month. They can whine later if they don't like the result.

    Yowling like scalded cats sounds petty and doesn't reflect well on the President elect.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:18 AM

  49. I see the government's main obligation as one of providing liquidity in the monetary system. Along with that liquidity, there should be massive investment in public works infrastructure. That investment should include the obvious roads and tunnels that people know about, but also such things as paintings and sculptures that enrich our existence.

    Any cash infusion should be given directly to grandparents on social security. They will pass it on to their children and grandchildren in ways that help Americans rather than our overseas friends.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:19 AM

  50. Craig..... scandal crazed bloggers?!!....... why you little...... :0)

    Patsi.... I became aware of Craig on a now defunct MSNBC program that aired at noontime called "Coast to Coast"...... the hosts were Ron Reagan and Monica Crowley..... Craig was an occasional guest..... but it was his 2-week stint as guest host replacing Reagan who was away on vacation that made me fall in love with his sense of humor and fairness.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:19 AM

  51. bush is definitely the anti-confidence prez

    for these brilliant men to finally see a problem most of us had noticed at least a year before the "crisis" is ridiculous. Listen to the experts? They have all been asleep at the wheel.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:19 AM

  52. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/rethinking-the-former-rivals-m.html#comment-174572

    Renee

    I would love to see a team of Ron Reagan and Craig. Doubt it would happen. They are both too soft spoken, courteous, and non confrontational. A show with no screaming is bound to fall in the ratings when compared to the Jerry Springer style political shows.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:25 AM

  53. Jamie, you still must go back to the WaPo graphic showing concentric rings of advisers with the very small inner circle composed entirely of Chicagoans.

    Based on where the transition is headquartered, and the announcements that have been made, I see little change in the governing circle. I don't think that bodes well; it can cause the perception that the great inclusivity is not genuine.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:25 AM

  54. Jamie....
    I am in full agreement with your brilliant posting at 10:18.....

    Obama's cabinet will indeed be a delicate balancing act.....
    it's fun to sit back and watch it all.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:26 AM

  55. must head to work, but I certainly agree about Craig...and he was one of the few who actually answered his email. He is the best and quite humble.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:28 AM

  56. Jamie,
    You're probably right...I obviously don't know much about the DC process either. I didn't vote for BO but that doesn't mean that I don't want him to succeed.

    It just seems like he's is going to surround himself with so much old politics that he'll be either be bogged down constantly defending their actions or he'll be watching his back wondering when they'll undermine him.

    Posted by: jaxtrader Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:29 AM

  57. Old Sea-

    Thanks for the Pat J. column, I love the fact he has an old Royal typewriter on his masthead. He's a Early Cambrian trilobite, but sometimes that proto-eye in the middle of his forehead see's as clearly as the Hubble .

    No personal attacks ?

    What am I gonna do with "Manure powered space monkeys ?"
    I was saving it for Thanksgiving.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 10:33 AM

  58. Tonight, we're going to have the first hard freeze of the season. Stinky and I cleaned up the tomato patch, and I carried a whole bunch of fire wood upstairs.

    So, there's a fire all built in the fireplace just waiting for the right time to set it ablaze. It may cause some soot, but it's not fossil fuel, and much of it comes from thoughtfully harvesting wood from our own property.

    We have friends in Cranberry, Pa, (outside of Oil City). They have about 100 acres and have a wood furnace in their home. All their heat is courtesy of Mother Nature.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:38 AM

  59. Jack- Do you have white or colored lights? I have a 2 story victorian with an L shaped porch. Usually drape garland and lights around the beams. I'm not sure I'll be able to afford fresh pine garland this year, hopefully it will be on sale. Mostly white lights used around here, but some people did really smart looking jobs last year with color.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:41 AM

  60. There are ants on these doughnuts, and who bought Hazelnut coffee ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 10:45 AM

  61. For those of you who were fawning over Barry Manilow yesterday (jamie, ring any bells? -- just kidding, really) Barry was on the Tonight Show as the musical guest last night. I vaguely remember hearing him singing something - I was thankfully exhausted and asleep.

    And was that you Jack, who last night mentioned Angel From Montgomery? Most excellent - Bonnie Raitt's version is frickin' wonderful. She did for Prine's song what Hendrix did for Dylan's All Along the Watchtower.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:52 AM

  62. Anon- He does at times see with great clarity and I have to admit that I like to hear his take on things,

    Patsi,- wholeheartedly agree with you re Craig.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:52 AM

  63. I never heard the album Jamie likes so but would definitely nominate "Mandy" for tylenol's next list.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 10:54 AM

  64. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/rethinking-the-former-rivals-m.html#comment-174575

    Flatus, That is the difference between the Cabinet and the Kitchen Cabinet. I'm sure that tightly knit Chicago group will be the "West Wing" team, but the Cabinet will be the public face of the administration. Coordinating the two bodies is going to be a delicate balancing act.

    BTW, All this noise about Hillary on the news channels feels like a red herring. They are all chasing after the same shiny thing rumor with full cooperation of the parties involved while not paying any attention or giving a closer look at anything else that might be happening.

    Pundits and talking heads just love shiny twinkly things. Oooooh! Lookie lookie! A new sparkly. They remind me of kittens chasing a light spot on the carpet.
    Anything to keep eyeballs fastened on the box.


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:00 AM

  65. OSH

    Here is my favorite cut from the album. The lyrics were written by Johnny Mercer and his estate asked Manilow to write the melody.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpj68Qf5jQ

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:04 AM

  66. Australia temporarily shuts down navy
    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1106ap_as_australia_navy_shutdown.html

    ______________________

    What a headline.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:05 AM

  67. TULSA, Okla. -- Oral Roberts University will lay off about 100 employees, days after it agreed to a near-$450,000 separation agreement with its former president who resigned amid a spending scandal.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110ap_oral_roberts_scandal.html

    -------------
    Who the hell names their kid Oral, I've always wondered that .

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:09 AM

  68. Anon, that woul dhave been Ellis and Claudia. Considering his oocupation, I assume the young Granville decided to use his middle name on the TV. Fitting, dontchathink?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:13 AM

  69. Pogo -
    It was a simpler time.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:18 AM

  70. Pogo

    Barry's voice such as it was went over the hill quite awhile back. It was his ability to write music, orchestrate and play plus the early association with Midler that brought out the showman and thrilled the fanilows into giving him a three decade long career.

    There are only a couple of his songs outside of the 2:00 AM album that I like.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:24 AM

  71. Wow Jamie, thanks for that, it is a great tune.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:25 AM

  72. ok....
    my contribution to Ty's latest list is Manilow's "I Write the Songs".....

    whenever I hear it..... I most definitely get the urge to purge...... :)

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:31 AM

  73. The local talk radio is simulcast on a weather channel on our cable. This morning the discussion centered around their unlimited right to own any and all weapons, regardless of how lethal said weapon. Guess what the constitutional scholars on our talk radio came up with ....... that's oky-doky

    They are worried about ammunition however, you can own a M40 recoilless rifle, but the bullets aren't in the 2nd amendment, and cost $50,000 each. That one has them stumped.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:33 AM

  74. This news report just burns my ass...

    Banks are such blood suckers

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/11/18/foo.elderly.foreclosure.kusi

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:35 AM

  75. WiskeyJ / Pogo -

    Paradise by John Prine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEy6EuZp9IY

    Mine baby mine

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:38 AM

  76. "Banks are such blood suckers"

    Tom

    that is a repetitive statement.

    That is like telling me dirt is dirty. It is part of the definition. A smart person knows this when they sign the contract.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:39 AM

  77. OSH

    If you have ever hung out with a group of musicians after closing time, this one will get to you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGLbZV_7IXs


    It is sort of cool jazz with the same idea as Billy Joel's Piano Man. I guess guys who have played small clubs and piano bars have the same sort of ideas.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:42 AM


  78. Pogo

    make ya a deal---u get rid of wooly bully for me---ill get
    red of anticipation for u------i did not read your very mean post wishing me the wooly bully tempo for my run yesterday, but now im hesitant to go cos of my fear of that song,,,,,,i will get rid of anticipation so that when u r in court and u can't get rid of it in front of the judge,,,,in the middle of sentence,,. while speaking to a client,,,,,,now thars a curse for u------lawyer's u can't live with em-----u can't live without em, that last part is a joke,,,,i like lawyer,,they r people too---well most of em:-)))

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:43 AM

  79. Nomination for hideous song hits

    I Write the Songs and Achy Breaky Heart

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:43 AM


  80. Pogo----that would be on ty's new 10 list to run over with a steamroller

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:44 AM

  81. Hunter Charged After Stray Bullet Kills Toddler

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/nyregion/18hunt.html?ref=nyregion

    MARYSVILLE -- A 42-year-old man told police that he accidentally shot and killed his 6-year- old daughter Sunday after drinking double vodkas while cleaning guns.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/388155_girl18.html?source=mypi

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:46 AM

  82. Anon

    Thanks, that is a goodun. I was going to say it was my favorite John Prine song but the I realised I had a whole list of my favorite John Prine song. It all boils down to my favorite is the one I'm listening to now.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:51 AM

  83. From the Flintstones file -
    Polygamist Group Creates Commune In Utah Caves

    Bob started expanding his family - marrying 3 more women and had 28 more children including Melinda Foster Morrison, who says her father's decision to move his growing family to the desert was pure inspiration. After spending 20 days in jail for bigamy in 1974, Bob decided to leave mainstream society.

    http://cbs5.com/national/polygamist.cave.homes.2.866760.html

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 11:54 AM

  84. Anon,

    As much as I hate drunks carrying fire arms, everyone needs to remember that news is news because it is rare. The number one cause of death in children ages 5 to 9 is unintentional injury with the following percentages in the category:

    * Mohor Vehicle Traffic 621 20.58%
    * Drowning 159 5.27%
    * Fire/burn 153 5.07%
    * Suffocation 40 1.33%
    * Other Land Transport 33 1.09%
    * Pedestrian, Other 27 0.89%
    * Struck by or Against 20 0.66%
    * Unspecified 20 0.66%
    * Fall 18 0.60%
    * Other Spec., classifiable 17 0.56%
    * Poisoning 15 0.50%
    * Firearm 14 0.46%
    * Other Transport 12 0.40%
    * Other Spec., NEC 8 0.27%
    * Natural/ Environment 7 0.23%
    * Machinery 6 0.20%
    * Pedal cyclist, Other 4 0.13%
    * Cut/pierce 2 0.07%

    If you really want to keep children from being killed you need to keep them out of cars and swimming pools.


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:57 AM

  85. "Nomination for hideous song hits

    I Write the Songs and Achy Breaky Heart"

    alright Jamie!....
    you are not a lost cause after all.....

    let's add The Macarena to that list......

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 11:58 AM

  86. Let me put this on the record: I despise everything about Joe Lieberman.

    Posted by: Mr. Democrat | November 18, 2008 12:01 PM

  87. RR

    Thank you.

    Now go back and listen to those links I put up for OSH :-)

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:02 PM

  88. "On Election day twelve Obama voters were interviewed extensively right after they voted to learn how the news media impacted their knowledge of what occurred during the campaign. These voters were chosen for their apparent intelligence/verbal abilities and willingness to express their opinions to a large audience. The rather shocking video below seeks to provide some insight into which information broke through the news media clutter and which did not.

    ... we also commissioned a Zogby telephone poll which asked the very same questions (as well as a few others) with similarly amazing results.

    57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing

    And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!! "

    http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

    Posted by: GORDO | November 18, 2008 12:02 PM


  89. Gas is down to $1.49
    so I took $2000 of my IRA out of a S&P 500 fund and bought $1000 each of Ford and GM stock.
    I figure it this way both of them are not going to go broke and at least one of them will see stock gains of over 100%. Besides if both of them go broke my IRA will be toast anyway.

    The other investment for my retirement account is $2 for 2 lottery tickets.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:04 PM

  90. World's Earliest Nuclear Family Found

    One of the graves was found to contain a female, a male and two children. Using DNA analysis, the researchers established that the group consisted of a mother, father and their two sons aged 8-9 and 4-5 years: the oldest molecular genetic evidence of a nuclear family in the world (so far).

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117192915.htm

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:04 PM

  91. I am about to go watch The Weakest Link... I have to tell you folks... last night when we were talking about songs and musicians and posting youtube links, it was so much fun really! I want to thank everyone for that. I went to bed with a smile on my face and music playing in my head.

    Sometimes it's the silly little things we do that brings much happiness. Thanks again !!!

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:04 PM

  92. Mr. D

    Full agreement. His actions are bad enough, but when combined with his holier than thou self important ego centricity, he approaches gag territory.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:04 PM


  93. Pogo =---same with contractors---some r people too

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:11 PM

  94. chloe, thanks for your comments in response to my posts this morning at 6:28 and 6:38 and sorry that you had to endure unwarranted put downs on their account. fyi and others, aside from all the past fundraising she's done for other senators she recently did more for which some should show some gratitude. e.g. karen tumulty, nov 5 time mag, wrote about hrc "campaigning at more than 200 rallies and fundraisers for upwards of 80 candidates across the country"

    Posted by: patd | November 18, 2008 12:12 PM

  95. Jamie -
    I just put them up because they have a certain random sadness about them, and because these things seem to come in clusters.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:13 PM

  96. Anon, funny story (to me, at least) about that song. I once represented a couple who owned a coal dock on the Mon river, and they loaded coal mined at Peabody mines in WV & PA into barges to go to power plants on the river. They had a contract dispute with Peabody over how much coal they had loaded and how much they should get paid. We had a hearing on a motion to dismiss the case brought by Peabody's counsel - a green, nervous newish attorney who was obviously arguing her first motion before a court. The judge - now on our Supreme Court of Appeals - listened to her presentation without asking any questions, aske\d me to respond, which I did, then started asking her question after question, concluding by saying that if she thought that in his court the largest coal company in the world was going to stiff a couple of hard working folks over a few thousand dollars, she had another thing coming. He denied their motion and dismissed us. As he was coming down from the bench, I could hear him whistling "Paradise".

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:15 PM

  97. Lieberman to keep committee chairmanship
    Vote on expelling Stevens from GOP caucus postponed until January

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27782936/

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:19 PM

  98. Pogo -
    That's a jewel of a story.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:21 PM

  99. RE;
    Lieberman
    Listen carefully and you can hear the heads spinning out by Firedog Lake.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:24 PM

  100. LOL

    The Fun thing about the Senate is how conservative they are. The Senate will change the day the tanks roll through the door and not a minute sooner.


    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:29 PM

  101. President U -Tube pops up :

    In Surprise Speech, Obama Promises Global Leadership On Climate Change
    By Greg Sargent - November 18, 2008, 11:24AM

    Barack Obama is set to deliver a surprise speech via video to the bi-partisan Governors Global Climate Summit in Los Angeles this morning.

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/in_surprise_speech_obama_promi.php

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:30 PM

  102. Well it looks like Lieberman got his kumbaya moment!

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:34 PM

  103. The single most important item in news yesterday was the report that Obama will have his laptop on the desk in the oval office. That guy can go on line, and talk to all of us anytime he see's fit. And he's got 10,000,000 email addresses to send his clip to.

    Scandal-crazed bloggers indeed.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:37 PM

  104. WiskeyJ -

    RE:
    Your stock investments ;
    Have you considered dutch tulip futures ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:40 PM

  105. Anon

    They are what I call piggy sows.

    As I said if they go down the tubes then take your money and buy all the dried beans you can. and a large cooking pot. Because there will not be a thing called money.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 12:49 PM

  106. Brian -

    Obama has Joe by the Cojones.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:53 PM

  107. Farmland Jack farmland.

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 12:56 PM

  108. It's Graham Parker's birthday he's 58.

    Graham Parker and The Smithereens - Behind The Wall of Sleep

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOBOhZYXBM&feature=related

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 1:02 PM

  109. Jamie, thanks again, am glad you exposed to a whole other side of Manilow. It just doesn't seem right what makes a "hit" and what doesn't. I simply didn't know he had done anything to counterbalance "I write the songs" and "Mandy".

    Jack- There was a Prine song I use to love in 1978, something about "going to the country, build myself a home". You have any idea what the title was?

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:03 PM

  110. Looks to me like Lieberman knows where the bodies are buried.

    Posted by: ubns Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:03 PM

  111. Jack, maybe 79.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:05 PM

  112. Solar, been one - well, worked for one - my uncle - and he's certainly a person, and I like to think I was one back then, too.

    Not sure what to think about Lieberman - Obama is now stuck with a disloyal hawk in place as chairman of a pretty critical committee. I think it may be more Lieberman having Reid by the cojones than Obama haveing Lieberman by 'em.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:09 PM

  113. Pogo, good story, love that judge!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:10 PM

  114. Music from Big Pink

    The Band - Chest Fever

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9No63MHrjYc

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 1:15 PM


  115. OSH---Do you know what a Magic Jack is?----

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:15 PM

  116. Solar- no, is this the start of a joke?

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:17 PM


  117. OSH--no

    it is devise that u attach to the back your your pc that takes replaces your telephone---i have my office in my house and was getting100.00 plus pone bills---now -- 0-- maybe u might be interested in one,??,( i don't sell them) but will give u the info,,,we have two more at the in office.

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:22 PM

  118. Solar, sounds like a drug reference to me.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:27 PM

  119. Who gets award the "scandal-crazed blogger" of the year award? (The Scobby.) I nominate Gordo; lots of effort.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | November 18, 2008 1:27 PM

  120. Solar-Sounds neat and thanks for offering up any suggestions. Just went out , bought some eyeliner I had no right to buy, came home and told myself to just stay put, start my winter regime, reading, product planning etc. - won't spend any money that way!!. Have a few questions though. My satellite is reliant upon a phone line- does the magic jack count?
    You said you have two in the office. Did you lose your telephone book listings? In my shop I need a phone for the credit card machine as well as a listing in the phone book.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:32 PM

  121. "Roll Away the Stone" -- Leon Russell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJaDzI_wVg

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 1:33 PM


  122. Pogo---Osh---

    and others---if u haven't heard of Magic Jack----go to magic jack.com----it originally cost me 54.00--that includes a one year paid phone unlimited use,,,,it is for country wide use---u can call a loved one, ,,or each other,,,here from TM---it is about 3.00 per month, and can be upgraded for international calls,,,,i cancelled my home phone over 6 months ago----i still use a cell,,but save on the large phone bills???

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:33 PM


  123. Osh -----the only thing that is required is fast internet connections----go to magicjack.com for info---u can even talk with a live person to ask any questions

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:36 PM

  124. Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:40 PM


  125. Osh ----there is no diff than your existing line now---very little static, and u have to have the pc on all the time, or for the hours that u want calls coming in----fax machine, works,,,it should also work with other needs.....think about it in the terms of E Mail--------with e mail u by pass the post office-----same with this u by pass the phone co, with just veeeery little inconvieneince

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:42 PM

  126. Magicjack is great, I've been using one since last may

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:44 PM

  127. OSH....

    is this the Prine song you're looking for?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P3FW-YBRwg

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:44 PM

  128. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/rethinking-the-former-rivals-m.html#comment-174618

    Anon,

    These events are so tragic when they happen, you can't help but be angry at the stupidity of the parent.

    I was just pointing out the hazards that are so much higher on the list that even dedicated parents fail to consider.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:49 PM


  129. Magic jack is going to be my choice for christmass gift for some of my family

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:49 PM

  130. If you like a good bass line that'll stick in your head -

    Garbage - Stupid Girl

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N29vkIT3eo

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 1:50 PM

  131. I was away from my puter yesterday, so -- a little late, but here's the soundtrack of my life:

    You've Lost That Lovin Feeling - Righteous Brothers

    Tears of a Clown - Smokey Robinson

    1,2, 3... Len Barry

    The Letter - Boxtops

    The Weight - The Band

    Cinnamon Girl - Neil Young

    The Way - Fastball (if you don't know it, U-tube it, it's AMAZING)

    Dancin in the Dark - (or Born to Run, makes no nevermind to me) Springsteen

    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun - Cyndi Lauper

    Papa Don't Preach - Madonna

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:51 PM

  132. Renee

    That was the one I was trying to pull out of my brain. But it wasn't happening. I was telling my self, I know that one it is???? dah da da dah, no it is dah da da dah , lol and so on. I never pulled it out.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:53 PM

  133. RR -
    It's the one I was trying to remember, thanks.

    Eat a lot of peaches.

    Jamie -
    True True

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 1:56 PM


  134. Osh u don't cancel the phone line---just the phone and in the process the phone bill

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 1:59 PM

  135. traffic - forty thousand headmen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQmwQ-Mc_Os

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:04 PM

  136. and Jamie? You were right, it was much harder to pick 10 than I had imagined. How 'bout this one? haha.. Tom Jones' songs were so un-hip they were cool!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfaNCRAFuek

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:04 PM

  137. haha..and I defy ANYONE to NOT do that hip-push on the drumbeat!! hahaha

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:06 PM

  138. RR- Holy shit you found it! I've been looking at Prine song lists for years and never could find it. No wonder, never would of guessed that title. Thank you so much, it just makes me happy listening to it. My friend and I use to like to cruise around on country roads (when Kissimmee Fl was the country) on our day off with this tape and a 6 pack. Can't do that anymore!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:11 PM

  139. I'll check it out Solar, Thanks.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:12 PM

  140. Howlin' Wolf - Smokestack Lightning (1964)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LNt5J0Cesc

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:17 PM

  141. My nomination for earwig song - steamroller song - whatever --

    seasons in the sun, terry jacks

    I was in radio then, that friggin song played every 20 minutes, and because it was Canadian Content, you could not bring in any station that wasn't playing it. I still drive into the ditch every time I hear it.

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:19 PM

  142. OSH

    It is all John Prine's fault that I'm married. My wife would play John Prine on dates, every body else she dated made fun it.
    I started singing along with the tunes. It wasn't long sfter that she broke my thumb and being crippled I couldn't run and was helpless.
    lol
    Spending your first date in the emergency room does make for an interesting story.

    For us the full moon in May is the moon of the broken thumb. We celebrate it as our anniversary.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:24 PM

  143. Protests Over a Rule to Protect Health Providers

    WASHINGTON — A last-minute Bush administration plan to grant sweeping new protections to health care providers who oppose abortion and other procedures on religious or moral grounds has provoked a torrent of objections, including a strenuous protest from the government agency that enforces job discrimination laws.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/washington/18abort.html?_r=3&ref=us

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:24 PM

  144. Muddy Waters plays "Manish Boy"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IOou6qN1o

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:26 PM

  145. I'm gonna bring back the 2nd cousin that's "Little John the Conquer Roo"

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:32 PM

  146. Oh hey, I didn't realize that people were creating a "soundtrack" of their lives! I'll write mine soon!!!

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:35 PM

  147. Damn...time to go to work... youtube is all consuming!!

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:35 PM

  148. Little Red Rooster by Big Mama Thornton

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaXPRU

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:37 PM

  149. Ty, for tomorrow-

    1. In the year 2525 - Zager & Evans

    2. McArthur Park - Richard Harris

    3. You're having my Baby - Paul Anka

    4. Macarena - Los del Rio

    5. Wake me Up before you gogo - Wham

    6. My Heart will go On - Celine Dion

    7. Achy Breaky Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus

    8. Separate Ways - Journey

    9. Seasons in the Sun - Terry Jacks

    10. Muscrat Love - Captain & Tenille

    (And just about anything by Cher, especially Can You Fool, with Greg Allman)

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:41 PM

  150. Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:43 PM

  151. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/rethinking-the-former-rivals-m.html#comment-174674

    I would think that EVEN the Bush admin. would try to be facially neutral in its last minute pro-religion anti-abortion rulemaking. Guess not.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:51 PM

  152. POGO... OMG you know the song Can You Fool? WOW !!!! It is from one of the "Lost Albums" Allman and Woman: Two the Hard Way

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_RNlGgy-c

    One of my favourites from the album is Cher's solo: Island
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKjHx_xGaXg

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:54 PM

  153. Here's another last minute reg that Congress or Obama will need to rescind.

    http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/in-waning-hours-bush-administration-fortifies-oil-shale-industry/?hp

    Oil shale - worst possible source of carbon energy.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:55 PM

  154. Them - Baby Please Don't Go (1964)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9X6HFwXjgI

    Posted by: Anon | November 18, 2008 2:55 PM

  155. ET, I'm a huge Allman Bros. fan - have gone to see them since they were the Allman Joys. That is the worst song ever done by any member of the Allman Brothers - even worse than Dickie Betts at his solo worst - at least he has good guitar solos in his worst songs. There is no redeeming value that I can find in Can You Fool.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 2:58 PM

  156. Oh Pogo, now you disappoint me! I love that song !

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 3:00 PM

  157. songs that have held significant meaning in my life:

    "I Am What I am" performed by George Hearn in the Broadway musical "La Cage Aux Folles which I saw it's opening week! It was 1981 (as I recall) and I had just "come out" to my family and disappeared for 10 days in NYC, confused and nervous. When this song was played I felt reborn, even more so than when I did the 'born again Christian' thang. For an upper midwest boy from a homophobic family, that sound spoke VOLUMES about my life and it was an important step of finding more clarity about me and the world around me.

    I just found this video of George performing the song live in 1996, 15 years after I saw him on Broadway. Now, a few moments after watching it, I am as profoundly moved by the performance. WOW. I have chills!

    Move over Gloria, this song belongs to George, and Mr. Jerry Herman, once of the best musical composers of all time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDEgBOagC0

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 3:09 PM

  158. Hey Pogo

    Eat a Peach!

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | November 18, 2008 3:09 PM

  159. avast, ye scurvy dogs. another ship taken.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735507.stm

    Posted by: patd | November 18, 2008 3:11 PM

  160. Plastic Fantastic Lover - Jefferson Airplane

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62RyP3tf-tI

    Posted by: Ano