Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

me first?

YIPPIE SKIPPIE ! Oh and Craig, I don't care what Adam Graham-Silverman has to say, I already read his opinion. The fact is, Hillary is one of the best and brightest lawyers-first ladies-U.S. Senators-Presidential Candidates-Authors-Mothers-humanitarians around !!!

"THE LOOK" was only on the Japanese version of Cher's Living Proof cd...

This is worth hearing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03hU7lIhbPo&

Repost from previous thread

don't care how old or new a poster is. I do care about the ambiance of this place.

We all wander around the blogosphere and it is easy to see that they degenerate into places where people do nothing but scream expletives at each other.

Even at its worst here during the primaries, when we lost so many good people, there was still an effort to pull back from the brink. There was no demand for phony togetherness, but rather that we treat each other as adults and try not to say something with your fingers that you wouldn't say to their face if in the same room.

I try to think of us as NPR ehrtr we can present ideas for discussion without letting it degeneratung into a brawl.

Old or new, I would like to see all concerned try to enforce that standard.

ET

Full agreement. I think HIllary will be a wonderful SoS which is why I suggested it when she was passed over on the VP slot.

Sometimes you learn more by watching others do a job than you would if you were doing the job yourself. It gives you a view of the larger picture and the effect actions can have on events.

Her marriage, her friendship with Albright, her personal relationships with heads of State around the world, her time working on foreign affairs in the Senate and most of all her absolute dedication from childhood on to learning everything there is to know about a subject of interest in order to perform well will all contribute to this new service to the nation.

"naturalized" citizen

"statute" citizen

"born" citizen

"natural born" citizen - required for POTUS

SoetorObama is NOT "natural born"

Speak for your own stomach. Mine's just fine.

:)

Jamie---u said--I

"don't care how old or new a poster is. I do care about the ambiance of this place."

Dog--said the following

"Solar: I gave Patsi a concrete example of something personal she had said to another on the blog".(a conversation that was not even with her,, cannot help the ambiance here?)

"You see it as opening a feud" ( she is inviting me to argue here--no?)

"I see it as a plea for civility so that we can get some old friends to come back, and encourage new friends not yet met to join."( still argumentative----and join this blog??--we r here already-----or join her ,,

My last word on this -- time for sat. morning cartoons

Does anyone see where the negativity has been all morning, starting with a gutter shot ostensibly from the high road? And thus began a "quality" roll downhill.

"....time for sat. morning cartoons"

solar, i thought that's what we've been doing all morning.

"she lacks a long resume of foreign-policy successes to accompany her celebrity." [Adam Graham-Silverman]

wonder what mr. g-s has to say about the peotus.

Thought for the day :
" Of all the ills that men endure, hope is the only cheap and universal cure. "

Now, time to feed the wolverine.

"Essentially, the only way presidential pardon is restricted by the constitution is under the circumstance of the sitting president being impeached. Self-pardon is not restricted by law, and under interpretation by the Supreme Court, a president could have the right to pardon himself not only for crimes he has committed, but also for crimes with which he has not yet been charged." [excerpt from research by et]

et, thanks for the above. must confess, it was i who so rudely ignored your question... will 15 lashes at the mast suffice or must i walk a longer plank of penitency? you did a much better job at answering it than i ever could.
"pardon" moi, s'il vous plait?

"Now, time to feed the wolverine."

that's not a nice way to talk about your signif't other.
we're trying to run a civil ship here, c-bob.

1,800-Year-Old Bronze Chariot Discovered In Bulgaria

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hOOx1xVM3r3xB57BYwqhIz7UZdrAD94JGQKG0

Some 10,000 Thracian mounds — part of them covering monumental stone tombs — are scattered across the country.

Ignatov said up to 90 percent of the tombs in the region have been completely or partially destroyed by treasure hunters who smuggle the most precious objects abroad.

A ----double-bind game is a game with self-contradictory rules, a game doomed to perpetual self-frustration,,,like trying to invent a perpetual motion machine in terms of Newtonian mechanics, or trying to trisect any given angle with a straightedge and compass. The social double-bind game can be phrased in several ways.

The first rule of this game is that it is not a game...everyone must play,,,You must love us...You must go on living...Be yourself,,,but play a consistent and acceptable role,,,,,Control yourself and be natural...Try to be sincere

Essentially, this game is a demand for spontaneous behavior of certain kinds,,Living,,loving,being natural or sincere--all these are spontaneous form of behavior,,they happen---- of the them selves?? like digestion food or growing hair, contrived, and phony atmosphere which everyone deplores--weak and scentless like force flowers and tasteless like forced fruit. ???

Patd -

Well it's sorta like life, I hover between hope, and the wolverine.

http://www.delange.org/Default/Mexico/Mexico.htm

C-Bob -- glad you are here -- check out this site -- some fascinating ruins....

Oh, and thanks for the link to the chariot find....

"Tying people or nations up in an obvious double bind makes everyone hate the manipulator and sympathize with the target, even if the target is really objectionable."

is this result what you have in mind, solar?
the above quote is taken out of context from a fascinating statement by s strong of the metaphor project http://www.co-intelligence.org/metaphorproject_doublebind.html

Ah the Aztecs -

Now there's a group we can all admire, they peeled the skin off their victims, tied them over their shoulders, and danced the night away.

Weeeeee !

thanks for chariot news, c-bob. did you see the good news earlier this month about finding the sleeping buddha?
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/sleeping-buddha-found-amid-rubble/2008/11/10/1226165425393.html

wolverines are ravenous, relentless and invasively smart......according to what i remember of something i heard or read somewhere.......

What I'm finding amusing is how some of the oldtimers come back just to complain. Discussion groups change and this one has. It has moved on it is time for some of you to also move on. Coming back once in a while to lecture at us wayward newbies ain't moving on imo.

Corey
There are a number of us, you included, who have beliefs across the whole political spectrum, yet somehow we manage to carry on a discussion. So I don't believe that all of us isolate ourselves to those who think the same.

Padt---sort of---what i used is from a book that Chloe asked for----it is much more detailed-------like padt be your self---and then---padt, why can't u be more like sue (i used to like a girl name sue---song there ??)

C-bob---not at all excusing the Aztec here-----as humans go we have been pretty un-human-----the spaniards used to take the baby azecs and baptize them---and bash their heads in,,do they could go to heaven---about the only thing that gets me really angry is what happens to the young-----i go nuts when i see in the news that some young one died cos of a bullet that when thru the wallwhil watching tv, from some gang fight that happens out side,,we are the lowest form of animals when this happens.

Patd@2:13

That is interesting, patd. Hussein, himself, created a triple bind by his conjuring the belief that he possessed significant stocks of chemical weapons--probably to dissuade further aggression from Iran. That was, of course, the opening that Bush needed for plausibility in the U.N..

Intelligence is almost never certain. That's what Hussein was counting on. By setting stakes so high--virtually unlimited chemical attacks, he created a situation with such a high degree of perceived risk that none of his neighbors wanted to risk war with him.

The U.S. and, subsequently the Security Council, called his bluff and went marching in. Hussein didn't have the wits to realize that it was in his great self-interest to throw open his borders inviting inspection of every site in the country. That would have caused us and the world to realize that the actual threat he posed was illusory.

Had we had perfect intelligence and understood that in the beginning, then probably all this mayhem would have been prevented. That, of course, presupposes someone would have had the courage to speak truth to the emperor.

Dog's eye -

Much of the time I have no idea why I type the doo - doo , I do.

But you don't want to meet a wolverine in the woods. Metaphorically speaking they are mean , smelly , with long claws, sharp teeth, and their disposition makes it difficult for wolverine love to take place.

Plus I just like the word in my head, sorta like Studebaker.

I must admit this platform would profit from a 15 min. edit button.

CB

Vaguely remember a vignette from the book AZTEC read many years ago, that under certain circumstances it was a way to do honor to someone and a mistake was made. The AZTECS killed the loved daughter of someone and danced to do him honor wearing her skin. He wasn't amused.

......i stand alone: I am a rock, I am an iiiiiiiiiiisland........I gotta be me........cause i've done it my way............accentuating the positive and caught between dat ol' debbil sea and the deep blue sea........I believe for every drop of rain that falls a flower grows because I, too, am the walroose----googa looga juba.......
Now never forget what I am about to say.

Patsi

Patsi---on discovery channel there is a program called--RAMESES--- it takes in the his real life,,and that of moses,,,,the real number of the exeduses,,,the location of the red river that parted,,,,not the red sea,,,,,,,,,and the pictures of the location where they housed the chariots and horses,,,,they found the barns----very interesting stuff ---i was going to write it down from the 8 track that i have a give some of the info on it but,,maby its too much

C-bob/ check out this interesting tidbit about a lost Roman legion and a small village in China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhelaizhai
you seem to like this kind of stuff. It's interesting.

"That, of course, presupposes someone would have had the courage to speak truth to the emperor."

lol

Flatus, that is one very big "If"

One unintended consequense of our invading Iraq is a number of countries we don't get along with believe that nuclear weapons are needed to defend themselves.

Jack

Solar -
RE;
The Aztec conquest .

True, true.

I'm a Mayan man myself, creeping around in caves . Kings and queens piercing loose skin, with sting ray barbs. That's my kind of religion / statecraft.

CB, did you mention Studebaker a couple of weeks ago under another persona? Made me think back to their Hawk series and my _serious_ want for a Golden Hawk.

Solar-I'd read that the Red Sea was actually the 'reed sea', a swamp that the Jews lost the heavily equiped Egyptians in.

I heard somewhere that the famous parting of the sea was in actuality just a kind of bog where the israelites walked across and the chariots of the pursuing pharoanic forces got all bog up........then again, another history buff I know suggested that the israelites were in truth told to get the hell out of dodge.....having grown to far too large a population general food supply-wise.......

."..I believe for every drop of rain that falls a flower grows because I, too, am the walroose----googa looga juba.......
Now never forget what I am about to say."

-----------YES------------SI------------

rosie......jinx you owe me a co-cola

Patd -

I did see that Buddha story, the thing is huge. Saw some clips of them cleaning up the mess from the destruction of the others. They wanted to restore them, I'm thinking how ? Why ?

"One unintended consequense of our invading Iraq is a number of countries we don't get along with believe that nuclear weapons are needed to defend themselves."

If they are counting on that to dissuade us, they're very foolish puppies.

Sturg-Ha I owe you a lick!
I've got a book called "101 Myths of the Bible". It shows that many of the stories(myths) from the bible were actually based on myths from Egypt and later on, the Jews Babylonian captures. It's cool 'cos the Egyptian and Babylonian myths are way older than the stories as they are presented in the Bible. Like the story of Noah and the Ark is a 'borrowed' myth.

"Today, Leo C. Donofrio filed, with the NJ Supreme Court’s Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, an official allegation of Judicial Misconduct against Appellate Division Judge Jack M. Sabatino with regard to the initial stage of this litigation which was originally filed in the NJ Superior Court, Appellate Division. The case, having come directly from an appeal to the New Jersey Supreme Court is now before the the United States Supreme Court, “DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008″ before all nine Supreme Court Justices."

http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/22/us-supreme-court-case-judicial-misconduct-alleged-by-leo-donofrio-in-nj-appellate-division-obstruction-of-justice/

Rosie----Sturg----u both r correct in what u r saying(as far as i know)------but how these things are now explained is the most interesting to me-----also the politics of those time are looked at ,,,and as u know they like to mix those up a little

and the true story of the exodus----i just might give prof Sturg a report on it

my crazy old blanche dubois aunt had her a studebaker.....let me drive it.....had those gears which grrrrrrrrrrinnnnnnd into gear, like that heap of Columbo's............

Flatus -
No I don't think so, I had a friend in Steam Boat Springs who had a Hawk.
That thing was fast. He'd scare the fecal out of you riding up Rabbit Ears Pass, no seat belts.

solar.....I figger......the only thing there is extant is what the feller Moses wrote down......(5 or 6 moseses aside) he or they could say anydamnfool thing they or he wanted to.......

ya know........."Hey, screw that golden calf.....this here is the real McCoy cause I'm getting it straight from god.....you know, burning bush and all that ........"

They were told to leave cos of the food supplies, cos of drought and other natural plagues that happened,,,,,these were used by the writers (unkown) of the 5 books of mosses..

I think ol' Dick has already taken the money and run (metaphorically speaking)

Rosie -

Lost Romans in China, never saw that one before. It'd make a great novel. Anything lost makes a good story.

Several years ago there was a program on a group of mummies from the western deserts of China. They were 3 to 4 thousand years old. The kicker was that they looked like Celts, one guy was 6' 4" with red hair. They had all the traits of a euro background, not Asian. Perfectly preserved , clothes, boots, hair, everything. Just as well as the freeze dried mummies from the top of the Andes.

Prior to Obama, no President Elect has announced any of their cabinet before December 1 at the earliest and many not until the innauguration.

I believe that one of the reasons we are seeing so much so soon is that Bush is turning it all over early while maintaining the illusion of waiting for the swearing in. His people are talking to O's people as fast as they are named so that the Bush gang can high tail it out of town before the Sheriff rides in with "Reach for the sky fellers, the hangman's got a noose with your name on it."

Once again Mel Brooks is on the cutting edge of HISTORY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I

C-bob/ I saw that! you could even see their tattoos.

Forensics show that Ramses died from a blow to the head------this could have happened,,by falling from a chariot at at a high speed----two powerful horses can build up some pretty good speed,,,,or one in the harem (probably sue) that wanted the throne-----it also show that R son was not dead,,,he was the one that led the charge to the reed river,,so he was the one killed,,,cos the skull found was his ,,,not the old mans

Change -
There's really only one real difference as far as I can see. Aside from the much larger group of personalities .
Mr Crawford doesn't own this little campfire. His bosses do, and we meet here at their pleasure, not his.

you'd have to figure that some group of humans way back then, say romans or greeks (from alexander?) would figure out a way to "disappear" and go far away from what was happening where they were from and find someplace of their own........

The Loulan Beauty !
I think that was a Discovery program ?

a la "Orr" in CATCH-22

The thing about the past, is that we've just really begun to discover it.

In southern Russian in the last few years the Amazon Warrior women have been found, just where the Greeks said they'd be.

Mr. Fish

"And They're so dumb!" may be embroidered on pillows throughout the White House come January 21.

CB

And some of the materials were Plaids, a form of weaving not practiced in China.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/a-meeting-of-civilisations-the-mystery-of-chinas-celtic-mummies-413638.html

"Franken's lead recount lawyer Marc Elias also pointed out that with 51.1% of the ballots recounted so far, the portion that has been counted were from disproportionately Republican areas -- so the remaining votes could end up having even more error-corrections that boost Franken than we've seen already."

Aha -- Thanks, B -- that's just what I was hoping for.

last little--info----Rameses -----had 200 wives and 150 children,,,,,he was too old to chase mosses to the reed river,,,one of his sons went-------Moses and his people were also warriors that fought the odds , just like they have all thruout history

"and the pictures of the location where they housed the chariots and horses,,,,they found the barns"

Indeed!!?? I will try to track this down, Solar...

From Dogs NYT link -

Further clouding the picture, a mummy from the Lop Nur area, the 2,000-year-old Yingpan Man, was unearthed with artifacts associated with an entirely different part of the globe. He was wearing a hemp death mask with gold foil and a red robe decorated with naked angelic figures and antelopes — all hallmarks of a Hellenistic civilization.

C-Bob -- this Toltec site in particular fascinates me.

http://www.delange.org/Tula/Tula.htm

"My stay application was originally denied by Justice Souter. So, under Rule 22.4, I renewed it to Justice Thomas who did not deny it. The sparse reporting on this issue I have seen today has failed to stress how unique such a situation is to Supreme Court practice. The vast majority of stay applications are denied. And once denied, a renewed application is truly a desperate measure the success of which heralds one of the rarest birds in Supreme Court history.

... either the full court has set this for Conference, or Justice Thomas has done it on his own. Either way, it signifies an affirmative action inside the US Supreme Court testifying to the serious issues raised by this law suit."

http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/us-supreme-court-takes-extraordinary-expedited-action-in-fast-tracking-nj-citizen-suit-challenging-08-presidential-election/

Jamie -
I watched that program with my mother, we both keep going WOW.
When the section on the fabric came up , that did it for her. I don't think we ever watched a show together that both of us enjoyed more. It made a big impression on us.

C B--said

"The thing about the past, is that we've just really begun to discover it."

My favorite find is The Dead Sea Scrolls---that were found in 1947--that shows information that would never have been known, about the times, and life of jesus---he for a period of time lived with militant monks that wrote them.---my biggest dissapointment is that when something is found it takes so long to be authenticated...but this is getting better with all the sciences working together now

Patsi---on the discovery channel titled Rameses

C-bob/ I'm trying to find something on a group of native americans called Brass Ankles. They are thought to be the decendents of eastern coastal tribes and ship wreaked Arab pirates. I can't find anything, though if you want to look up Melungeon in Wiki they are breifly mentioned at the end.

Craig-you have beautiful black hair. Are you perhaps part Seminole?

Jamie -
Good link thanks.
Isn't it interesting that 3,000 year-old mummies can be turned into political footballs ?

sorry about the blazing saddles clip watching that entire clip I see that it was much more, shall we say, "stark" than I had remembered it......

comedy aint pretty................

Rosie -
More like river pirates on the Ohio.

Sorry it was a chance to work in a pirate reference.

Damn Rosie---u like people with a lot of blk hair-----sorry -----but i am part Seminole---hahahaha------hey sturg quit flirting with roise thats my job!

Personally, I'm that wonderful Appalachian mix of Scots-Irish, black and native american (Choctaw to be exact) I'm 45 and I don't need to dye my hair at all
Solar-I thought you were latino. Spanish and native american probably, but Seminole, probably not. I love ya anyway!

" comedy aint pretty................ "

Particularly when it's written by wolverines.

Oh! I get it. you were being dirty, weren't you Solar.

Rosie,

This might give you some more leads

http://www.murrah.com/gen/redbones.htm

There is a book, "Walking Towards The Sunset" that discusses the origins of many of the east coast tribes and their ancestry.

Wolverines in Studebakers on their way to see a lecture on mummified Toltec pirates.

Oh yeah. I had a friend that was a Melugeon. There is a large community just outside where I grew up. My friend has the tell-tale 'bump' on the back of her skull that distinguishes a 'true' melungeon. She let me feel it.

we go to "shell rings" in the creeks here sometimes.....very spooky......tribes like the stono, the edisto, and the yemassee

a shell ring is this semi-circular mound of oyster and clam shells with fish bones thrown in........probably about 20 feet diameter and 5 to 6 feet high.......this one on Horse Island is like the stonehenge of seafood......

be sure and take your toltec tonic........

Too Fireside Theater ?

Sturg -

If they ever figure out a word tax we're screwed.

too much firesign theater?? perish the thought..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMtIQOAuzSw

uh.........dont look now, but we're screwed ANYway.........not that it matters............

Rosie ---ull never know---how is that for jumbo --double meanings---:-)))) ---45 perrrrrrfect roosie the cat,,,I like older muchachas.

Some one the the other thread , mentioned something about someone taking the speakers out of the car when they left the drive in show-------my friends and i used to meet all the time at the dive in show, in seperate cars----and what made me laugh so hard is that we have a friend that broke his door glass ,,not one but twice, cos he did not put the speakers back,,,,,,we all love him,,but some times he can be a total space cadet----i still see my childhood friends about every 3-4 months,,,,it drives the wives nuts,cos we go over all the goofy things that we did,,,,they heard it all before,,,,but still enjoy the retelling of our misadventures.

Rosie

A blog devoted to Melungeon and related tribes

http://historical-melungeons.blogspot.com/2008/03/there-really-is-no-melungeon-or.html

Last article posted in March but it says will only post when there is new "news"

I must admit I thought my spleen would explode trying to laugh at the Fireside Theater . That stuff zooms way up in the Magnetosphere.

uh-oh sturg- we almost jinxed again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrPVBnv-ems
J-Men Forever, dude!

The Stranger: " Sometimes you eat the B'ar (jargon for large fierce furry mammal).....and sometimes the B'ar......well......he eats YOU."

the dude: "Sometimes you eat the bar ( long flat surface upon which drinks are served to paying patrons.) and sometimes, uh, well I mean, you know....."

Thanks for calling me older, Solar. Chicks REALLY dig it when you call them older. ;)
Jamie-thanks :)

" uh.........dont look now, but we're screwed ANYway "

I hover between hope, and the wolverine.

Thank's for the escape folks, being able to remember my mom today and a moment with her ........ A nice moment.

Now I'll leave you all to sort out the world's troubles for a while, which I'm told is best done with a kitten on your head.

Rosie----sorry--not what i meant-----i thought u knew that i am 59 years old----u r perfect---and im going to shut up before i insert the other foot in mouth

I only had the one album and only one part of it stood out to me and I cant remember which part that is right now.........don't know if it's that's a material weakness or my memory is a tad suspect....

whatever piece that was they earned a little corner of crash space in my overcrowded little heart......

Sturg- what album?
Solar-didn't you see the little winking face? I was playing.

rosie: "firesign theater"

Album: "Don't Crush that Dwarf.....Hand me the Pliers."

Rosie-----thanks---- now i see the winking face--------my foot did not taste so good anyway, with my sock still in it.

talk about comedy being un-pretty.........carol burnett has said before that she came up with this series of skits from real life.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvOPENG1CcE

I used to recognise quite a few of the players my own self.......

So I was thinking... maybe Bush could simply pardon every Republican who are working in or for the government... A blanket "all Republicans are hereby pardoned"... It would be quick, easy, and he'd - in essence - pardon himself as well. :D

Jeez Tom, don't give him any ideas.

LOL... I know... it's the whole pardon mania that's got me goin' hog wild here...

Where has Dick been lately anyway?

I say, that's a personal question, mate........

OH- ha ha.......... cheesy!

whoops.....another of the 3rd grade joke department......c. 1956.........

end of the joke:
I was lost....in the middle of no where on this dirt road, I came upon this car parked with the lights off...... I asked thru the driver's window "I say, how far is the Olde Logge Inn?" and he got out of the car and beat the crap outa me.....

I remember the year because I remember the class room and I remember my classmates.......there was this plethora of just goddawful jokes to which I was priv-vy as a result of having older brudders.......Now, having studied comedians and comedy for 58 or so years, I like to stack those jokes up against the likes of Jonathan Winters, Pryor, Bruce, Carlin etc etc.......

comedy aint pretty:

WC Fields:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM4Lak_11eQ

Sea, I got the candy and sampled it all (thanks for the extras). It is so good! Love that dark chocolate.

"In its 61 years as the nation’s premier intelligence outfit, the CIA has had 18 directors, only one of them a real spy....Barack Obama should give serious consideration to finding another spy to take over now, someone who really knows the business."

valerie plane is/was a real spy and she needs a job
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-176170

You know patd, I don't know that much about Valerie (except what I learned when she was in the news because of that leak), but I still love your idea. Brilliant!

(I see the ship was hijacked by pirates this morning) :)

That's my girl:
Obama reassured Clinton she would have direct access to him; could select own staff as sec. of state...

"They got past this long before their supporters and the party activists did," said one Democrat who is close to both senators......

But Clinton has talked several times to Michelle Obama about raising a family in the White House and private schools in Washington. On Friday, Obama said the two Obama girls would attend the Sidwell Friends school, just as Chelsea Clinton did."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/22/america/23hillary.php

Dinner.

oh, frabjous days in camp sturgeone....the other day it was a mother/daughter divinity lesson, last night oysters and crab touched off by pizza upon which i sprinkled a bit of crab meat......and here today I see a seafood gumbo.......

Are we there yet?

Patsi---me and a cpl of my bros will show up at your door like this----see if you can guess which one is me.

http://www.youtube.com/user/juloenrri

wrong video but close enough

no one around so

Real Jesus cont.

One mightier than I cometh-he shall baptize you in spirit and fire: his winnowing fan i in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor, and gather the wheat into his barn,but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire.

Was Herod Antipas blind to the connection between the desert oracles and the zealot-bandits? A king whose reign was to last
forty-three years and who was the son of the tyrant bandit-killer Herod the Great could not have been indifferent to the dangers involved in permitting people like John the B, to attract large crowds in the desert. And how could an oracle whose messiah was not related to the zealot-bandit cause attract such large crowds?
The Baptists place in the military -messianic tradition has been clarified as a result of the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. These documents were found in a cave near the ruins of an ancient pre-Christian community called Quamran, located in the region where John the baptized Jesus. Quamran itself was a religious commune dedicated, like John the Baptist, to "clearing the path in the wilderness." According to the communes rich and previously unknown sacred literature, the history of the Jews was leading toward and Armageddon in which the Roman Empire would meet its capital in Jerusalem, ruled over by a military messiah descended from a branch of the House of David, mightier than any Caesar yet sen on earth. Led by the "anointed one of Israel." invincible general, commander in chief, the jewish "sons of light" were to go into battle against the Roman "sons of darkness" It would be a war of annihilation. They "will take up the pursuit in order to exterminate the enemy in an eternal annihilation..until he is wiped ou "victory was guaranteed because "as thou hast declared to us from old,. a star shall come forth from Jacob, a sceptre shall rise from Israel" ( the prophecy in the Book of Numbers that was later applied to Bar Kochva).Israel was to be victorious "because as in the past, through thine anointed ones thou hast devoured evil like a blazing torch in a swath of grain...for of old thou has proclaimed that the enemy...shall fall by a sword not of man, and a sword not of man shall devour him."
The Quamranites had the order of battle worked out down to the last detail. They were even ready with a song of victory:

Arise, O Valiant One!-- Lead away They captives, O glorious Man!--DoThy plundering, O valorous One!--Set Thy hand upon the neck of Thine enemies and Thy foot upon the heap of the slain!--Strike the nations Thy enemies and let They sword devour guilty flesh!--Fill the land with glory And Thine inheritance with blessing! A multitude of cattle i Thy pastures, Silver and gold and precious stones in thy palaces!--O Zion, rejoice greatly!--Apear amid shouts of joy, O Jerusalem!--Show youselves, O all you cities of Judah!--Open thy gates forever. For the riches of the nations to enter in! --And let their kings serve thee And let all thy oppressors bow down before thee And let them llick the dust of thy feet!

We know that the Quamranties sent missionaries to act as a vanguard for the Anointed One. Like John the Baptist, these missionaries are said to have eaten locusts and wild honey and dressed in the skins of animals. Like John the Baptist, their task was to make the children of Israel repent. I t can't be proved that they also practiced baptism, but at Quamran itself archaeologists have uncovered extensive ritual bathing facilities. Johns ritual of baptism may very well have been introduced as an abbreviated form of the more extensive ablutions and purificatory rites performed in the communes baths and which in one form or another were long a part of Jewish ideas about spiritual cleanliness.
The point that needs special emphasis here is that the existence of this literature was not even hinted at in the writings of such people as Josephus or the authors of the Christian gospels....Without the the scrolls we would know absolutely nothing about what these militant holy men were up to , because Quamran was destroyed by the Romans in 68 a.d. The communards sealed their sacred library in jars and hid them in nearby caves before the "sons of darkness" swooped down and obliterated the commune. Because they could not have been tampered with during the two thousand years their existence was forgotten, the scrolls now constitute one of the great manuscript sources of information about Judaism in the period immediately prior to, during, and shortly after the time of Christ.

"me and a cpl of my bros will show up at your door like this----see if you can guess which one is me.

http://www.youtube.com/user/juloenrri"

HA! Well, I certainly HOPE you are the guy to the far right when they pull back to the crowd scene -- the one in the too-big suit who dances a shuffle and finally grabs a guitar -- he's obviously having more fun than anyone else...

NMow, I'll go back up and read your Biblical work....

" these these missionaries are said to have eaten locusts and wild honey and dressed in the skins of animals. "

Those missionaries were probably not having as much fun as that guy in your video. I adore him!

he is an actor---sorta like jerry lewis

speaking of family, when are u and your sister going to get together for the finishing of your book?

On the other hand, those guys ain't Little Joe Hernandez and La Familia.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09o74vBg2ck&feature=related

Solar-this is for honey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqlQJdCZcKM
worse than William Hung

She'll probably come back in the spring...she's in Texas right now. I'm supposed to be working on it now....but I have two things I have to finish first...

thats good patsi----sounds like u have a lot on your plate

Rosie----u getting funny----and i will tell you----not to call me honey unless u mean it.

"thats good patsi----sounds like u have a lot on your plate"

Only sort of good -- both are kind of BS -- grunt work, as they say....

Oh -- Rosie and Solar -- there is supposed to be a pretty good CNN special coming up in a few minutes about continuing corruption in New Orleans...I've seen some comments about it on Nola.com.

Well. I guess I'll check it out, thanks Patsi :)

about new orleans

Democrat or not ------i don't like the fact that Jefferson(i think that was his name) got elected again----when someone is cought with the evidence of stealing -,,,and in his case cold cash in the freezer---is more than should be allowed???

Good evening all! The Vineyard football team just stomped the Nantucket team. It is one of the oldest HS rivals in the country. It's great fun, all the police and fire trucks on the island go to the ferry to greet the returning victors. Colder than a witche's tit out there though. It's just one of those moments that I am thankful and proud to be an American. Harpoon the Whalers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HiSixhVgnM

Freddy Fender Flaco Jimenez

Volver Volver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvTBdQk5fa0

I believe this was my fantasy first....

Gail Collins offers this fantasy of a Christmas miracle: For the good of the country, Dick Cheney resigns. Then George Bush resigns. These acts elevate Nancy Pelosi to the presidency until January 20. She immediately implements whatever agenda President-Elect Obama dictates. The Collins fantasy not only delivers immediate action to address the economic crisis, it gives the nation its first female president, if only for a month or so.

Jack--volver volver----great one----between you, sturg and now c-bob-----i had to start a long list to watch...thanks

"it gives the nation its first female president"

KGC

I read this to the wife, As soon as I read Pelosi's name she did a fist bump in the air and said
"Yeah, the first woman president"

LOL
You HRC supporters

Jack

Obama White House Communications Team

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081122/Obama.Staff/

Los Lobos (w/ Flaco Jimenez) 'Ay Te Dejo En San Antonio'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km0x7qENUrI

You HRC supporters

charter members of the "Girl Gang"

Warren Zevon - Carmelita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeb0OI8wXN4

KGC - Nancy Pelosi being the first woman president is a nightmare, not a dream.

KGC - also, do you know about this winter spare the air day? They said last night it was passed in July - huh?
I understand the reason and it's fine but I'd like to know specifics and it seems the media doesn't even know. Is it in Sonoma county? Are fire logs okay? How are supposed to know when one is declared?

Wolverines are supposedly 'extinct' in Yosemite - maybe the entire Sierra, but there have been some sightings which seem to be those same wily critters.

I'm off to a catalogue party - we take the ones we get and use them asa an excuse to sit around the fire and drink champers, eat shrimp, cheese, chips etc. We had to get some good out of all those tings that come in the mail!

Hi Bethy

Nancy P would be ok for a month...better than Shrub in any case.

Here is the link to the Spare the air web site
http://www.sparetheair.org/

No wood fires on those days but other kinds of logs or fuel are ok. Sonoma County is included and I understand they were sending out warnings in Santa Rosa. I'll be curious to see the enforcement in West County because so many people depend on wood for heat.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176393

She immediately implements whatever agenda President-Elect Obama dictates...

I get pretty uncomfortable with the word dictates. And I never have liked dictators.

The country can wait until Jan 20. Take a deep breath and exhale slowly.

OSH

I don't remember if I answered this or not, about the Christmas lights.
When my wife and I got together she did the white lights only thing. I'm white trash so I do all the color lights I can. I would even have 3 or 4 blowup snow men. lol
What can I say.
So my wife drew a few lines and takes control of the planning. She is the artist.

We didn't do much last year as she was busy but the year before we went all out.

We did the white Icicle lights along the front roof edge
And some red lights following the path to the house. The wife is a believer in feng shui , so there are few straight lines except the mandatory ones by the city sidewalk. Most of the front is vine covered and there is a 4ft rock wall along the side walk. We put green net lights on the vines and thorough them ran a bunch of blue light strings with some twinkling and other fading in and out and some constant. The blue lights flowed through the green in a big S and at the wall the spilled over looking like a water fall.

It was fun and we will take a couple of weeks adding some here some there. The hard part is getting them all put up after Christmas.

Jack

Our ship of state has no captain at the moment. Shrub was never really present and I think he has really left the building now.

Bowman

Have you seen the ad for the President Obama commemorative plate. Part of the ad dialogue is "his gentle eyes and warm smile"

I sincerely hope the man is not taking seriously any of this over the top promotion and adoration.

Hey Jack, Your lighting sounds really neat! I just do plain white with garland. Might kick up my heels sometime and go with some color. Those solid colored ones when done right, and sounds like you two do, can really look very sharp. Your house sounds lovely too!

"She immediately implements whatever agenda President-Elect Obama dictates"

My first thought when I read that was " sure she will"
lol

Right now the best thing Obama can do imo is have an agenda with priorities that he can promote when the new congress is sworn in in January. He can make suggestions even if he is not yet president.

Jack

Jack- I'm a big vine girl. I've been a gardener by trade for many years and have a friend with whom I collaborate with on larger jobs. He likes everything neat and pruned , and I say let it grow! Our season is so short that I just revel in the abundance of green, the more jungle like the better for me. Fortunately so far It's been a good yin -yang kind of thing with our opposing styles, Anyways, your landscaping sounds great.

No, I haven't seen any of the items from Obama Souvenir Central. I have rally cut back on my purchasing of Presidential Commerative items. I think the last presidential collectable was a Kennedy Half Dollar.

The children should all be in bed by now so I'll post this. I kinda got a kick out of it when I ran across it earlier.

Warren Zevon - My Sh*t's F*cked Up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjk9RFNzhNw

Jack

OSH

I think there can be room for both. My wife likes to do a wild look for some of the yard. She also has a bunch of shade for a shade gardens and hostas. I'm an old woman type of gardener. I love big banks of flowers. And I like them care free. In the shade I like to plant impatients and in the sun Merigolds and zennias.

She has expanded my horizones when it comes to planting with greens in mind. I always thought of anything green as something to cut down.

Jack

Chloe

I think you were the James Bond fanatic. If so then thanks for the recomendation. The wife and I went to see it this evening. It was a lot of fun. I had gotten bored with the Bond movies, they seemed to be stuck in a rut. They have revamped the whole franchise. Once more it is fun to go see a Bond flick. Also, very noirish for a bond flick.

Jack

Jack- I do Love color too, Seaside type cottage gardens are my preference filled with lots of misbehaving annuals. The hardest thing for me to do is to pinch them back, even though I know the results.

WARREN ZEVON - Mr. Bad Example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuqidS3Yd8

OSH

My wife and I met when I did volunteer community organising.
I put together several programs around planting flowers, mostly giving people a hand ful of bulbs to plant.
I live in an old imigrant working class neighborhood. It has been changing from Polish/Italian to Mexican/Latin American. Flowers reach them all. I still remember giving a bunch of Mexican men some tulips. And watching them excitedly planting them in the front yard. I expected the women to plant the bulbs but these were migrant laborers who probably weren't even legal. and had left the women back in Mexico

Also, we worked with the police, in a community policing exercise, where they went onto a block where the neighborhood was having trouble with drug houses. The police did strict enforcement of the law and I got to go around and be the good guy passing out flowers. Most people were afraid to do it. I laughed and told them that nobody, not even the meanest drug dealer is going to shoot an old man passing out flowers. They may laugh at him.

Jack

I think maybe it is time to do a growing neighbors project. We have been dormant for a few years. The great thing about passing out bulbs on a block is how cheap it was and it brought people together.

Jack

Drink for the night

Bourbon and branch.

I got the branch from a rather big branch but...............

Warren Zevon & Jackson Browne - Mohammed's Radio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chaY9CPMGAo

JD Souther - Doolin-Dalton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPiJdlwqWqw

C-Bob, you are SO you!

tt

It's great the way gardening can bring together like that.

Sorry just had to ask - are you considering a run for the Presidency in the future?

HOPEFUL!

"How Obama is Already Taking Charge"

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

tt

OSH

Funny you should mention that. I'm not planning to but With HRC out of the picture is not too late for my 10 yr old niece. Last year she thought that might be somthing she might like to accomplish. I was thinking about what might be the best path for her.

Jack

In 5th grade, i had a mean nun---i told u about her before,sister rmary adriane--she once told me and a kid named bobby that only one of us could go home early---the one that could name the days of the week that began with a t---she asked him first and leered at me---he told her tuesday an thursday,,picked up his books and left----i told her that i knew them too she said that bobby already told her ---i told her that i knew two more, she looked at me and said ok ---i picked up my books and told her today and tomorrow,,hahahah,,,,she hit me on the way out??

Don't know what the hell was wrong with her,,,,she tried to make me look silly in front of the class and asked me how many seconds were in a year---imagine asking a fifth grader this----i thought about it and told her 12 seconds in the year---all the kids looked at me---she stared at me and, how did i get that answer,,,,told her that it had to be------january 2nd, february 2nd, march 2nd...well she hit me again---????

you were glad she hit me---?

i was only 10 for devils sake!

OSH-was that a "Being There" reference?

i don't think that she was a full time nun

Whenever I think of nuns, I think of the one from "The Blues Brothers" I don't think I've ever met a nun or a priest.

Well Rosie, ifin you saw the one on the blues brother,s you saw,,my nun----she looked just like her---mean,and liked it that way,,,by the way the blues bors,, is one of my favorites ,,,,,for a rounchy comedy it is porky's (1)

SolarCrete,

I am sorry to write this - and it does not in any way damage your thesis, in fact it may strengthen it - the writings found in the caves below Qumran have nothing to do with the ruins on top of the cliff.

Archeologists have completely disproven the findings of the original and amateur priest/archeologists who first excavated the site. In fact, it is pretty obvious that these priests, who started the work of translating the Qumran scrolls, lied about many things, and tried to hide even more things. This is no doubt the greatest scandal in the history of archeology, and Biblical translation.

It now appears that the ruins above are an old fort of the Hasmoneans - the folks who defeated the Syro-Macedonians, and ruled for a century before Pompey arrived to settle a civil war. The Hasmoneans have no relationship with the Therapeutae brotherhood mentioned in Philo, the Essenes mentioned in Josephus, or the Zealots.

Further, the library found in the caves was written over centuries by many scribes; these scribes appear to have been members of the Roman-hating Zealots who ran training camps in the desert, and who were annihilated at nearby Masada. At this time, the most likely explanation for the presence of the scrolls in the caves is that Zealots stored them there on their way to Masada, while escaping the fast approaching Romans.

Josephus would not have been privy to the contents of this library, because as a Sadducee, he was one of their enemies.

Jesus People might or might not have known about the literature. There is some reason to suspect that at least some of the Jesus People participated in the defense of Jerusalem in 67 - 70. Perhaps, the story of their migration to Damascus is a tale of their flight following the "victory" of Menachem (another annointed, ie. Mashiach) or one of the other rebel factions. Perhaps, the Jesus people lost control of the movement that became Christianity because they were annihilated at Jerusalem, and only the Apostate Paul's pseudo-Jesus People survived. Perhaps.

I think the most striking thing about the Qumran literature is that it demonstrates that the old idea of only 3 political groups among Jews at the time of Jesus is totally erroneous.

I suggest the revolutionary and definitive Michael Wise, Martin Abegg Jr, and Edward Cook translation, The Dead Sea Scrolls: A New Translation, (1996), HarperSanFrancisco paperback 1999, ISBN 0-06-069201-4. This book does not include the translations of Dead Sea Scroll sections of the Bible which had been published previously.

My sister had a sadistic teacher in 6th grade, a Miss Grimes. But that was a public school. My mother raised hell, so they gave Miss Grimes an early retirement. She moved to Hawaii. That was 1952.

Some people will do anything to go to Hawaii.

XR thank you for that information---will look and put it in as an addendum to mine---going to see if there is much of a diff,,,as always the translation is the important mistakes that r made...thanks

XR---thinking that the history is all the same---no-change in chronological reporting---the Dead Sea Scrolls are true history-----but it is entirely possible that qumrans are not---i agree---thanks

the nun was part time only--cos the other half she was a she devil----

I've dated a couple of recovering nuns.

There seemed to be a lot of them walking around the Twin Cities in the 70s. They weren't violent. One was an Irish gal, who had been a teacher in New Orleans. The other was from South Side Chicago, and had been Social worker. For gals that I dated, they were very peaceable.

XR =---thinking also about the apostate paul could be true----and this was when he started to plan the all inclusive christianity ---while the others just wanted the jews only,,,it works for me thanks

you dated NUNS--- i don't know if u and i should be seen talking together again:-))

Edmund Wilson thought there was something odd going on at the Qumran dig and translation institute, but he died before he could publish what all bothered him. A very famous secular French scholar worked there briefly, but wasn't a 'team player' and wasn't invited back.

Dr. John Marco Allegro worked with the Fathers for awhile, and published a translation of the Copper Scroll on his own, This translation did not fit Father de Vaux's scheme, and he lit into Allegro publicy, accusing him of all sorts of things, and claiming that his translation of the Copper Scroll was worthless. In fact, it is a pretty good translation, whereas the Official Team translation (although it sold in the millions) by Fr. Joseph Malik is bizarre, incomprehensible, and falsified.

The Fr. de Vaux accused Allegro of cutting a scroll fragment with scissors to make it fit where he wanted it. In view of the lies we now know Fr. de Vauz told, it seems more likely to me that he cut the fragment himself, to blame Dr. Allegro.

SolarCrete,

Well, if we are seen, I'll deny everything. I'll be Mr. Jones from Poughkeepsie.

thanks for all the input---night

"God Hates Fangs"---signage from "True Blood"

Anybody see "Twilight"? Or is it just for teenage girls like some teevee reports are having it?

I favor zombies over vampires, but I am truly hooked on True Blood.
Roky Erickson.."Night of the Vampire"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZUuss7pidQ

Goodnight,

Before I burden the hay, I saw this supra : Posted by: GORDO | November 22, 2008 2:59 PM : "Today, Leo C. Donofrio filed, with the NJ Supreme Court’s Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, an official allegation of Judicial Misconduct against Appellate Division Judge Jack M. Sabatino with regard to the initial stage of this litigation which was originally filed in the NJ Superior Court, Appellate Division. The case, having come directly from an appeal to the New Jersey Supreme Court is now before the the United States Supreme Court, “DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008″ before all nine Supreme Court Justices." http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/22/us-supreme-court-case-judicial-misconduct-alleged-by-leo-donofrio-in-nj-appellate-division-obstruction-of-justice/

All I can say to this is,
PRESIDENT CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR, SON OFBRITISH SUBJECT ! ! !

"PRESIDENT CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR, SON OF BRITISH SUBJECT ! ! !"

All I can say to this is,

THERE WAS NO SUPREME COURT CHALLENGE !!!

I truly love this! President-elect Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton working so closely and forging a strong friendship. This really is "new politics" and I couldn't be more pleased.

Clinton-Obama Détente: From Top Rival to Top Aide

By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: November 22, 2008
WASHINGTON — The thaw in the resentful relationship between the most powerful woman in the Democratic Party and her younger male rival began at the party’s convention this summer, when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton gave such a passionate speech supporting Senator Barack Obama that his top aides leapt out of their chairs backstage to give her a standing ovation as she swept past.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/us/politics/23hillary.html?hp

Good morning all!
Rosiecat- I was standing there next to my son who shot the video. My other son was in the pack of football players getting off the ferry.

whaddya know.....it's sunday again and 2008 is almost history.............time flies......

slow it down, sturg, me and helen have another 40,000 words to go before new years. back to work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL_IEjxUyfA

tyrone davis turning back the hands of time.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByFWiv5rhmc

harold lloyd takes a shot at the clock.....

thanks, dogs eye. ha, sturg, the Harold Lloyd is most definitely how i feel right now

News you can use.

On the local news. A preacher of a Dallas Mega church calls for christian married couples to have sex everyday for a week.

Common , honey, It's your Christian duty.

Jack

More news

The two turkeys pardoned by GWB will get to fly first class on their trip to Disney world.

Jack

"Wonder how long until it percolates into public discussion and TV/cable news."

As soon as they run out of other stupid topics. It was a funny concept, but moot -- so why waste our time with it.

Patsi

It beats turkeys flying first class, I think

Jack

If a REAL topic could trickle out to the MSM, I would like it the be the vast breach between these two topics:

1. Americans won't keep their jobs from being shipped overseas until they are better trained and educated.

2. American colleges and universities are raising costs with never-before seen rapidity.

wont be the first turkeys spotted walking around in disney world...........

"Common , honey, It's your Christian duty."

ROFL!!!! Boffing for Jesus.

And yet more Jesus-news -- the Vatican has finally "forgiven" John Lennon....it's a Christmas miracle!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7744282.stm

Re; the early morning thread about nuns and priests.

We didn't have any nuns in the military, but we had a fair number of priests. Once a month they would hold sessions called 'character guidance' to which all the troops were required to attend.

It didn't matter what religion the officiant at character guidance was because they were all preaching off the same syllabus. But, after the required material was presented, there was usually a Q&A. The priests generally had excellent analytical minds, as did the rabbis, and clearly articulated sound answers to the troops' questions.

Can't say the same for the chaplains from the protestant religions--most of them had shallow answers to our questions. Some of us would bait them--great fun.

Sea and Jack,

I loved reading the conversation between you two on gardening and movies from last night.

Sea, When I read your's on let it grow, the more jungle like the better, I couldn't believe it. That's exactly how I like it. (Nature is unruly and so am I). I've used that jungle expression many times. A couple of houses we've lived in (including this one) has been referred to as a tree house by some (I love ivy and have never preferred the manicured look, except for a mowed lawn). We have a lonnnnng growing season here (as we did in California) and I love it.

Jack, A lot of people have complained about that Bond movie because it wasn't the traditional style (I've even heard complaints on the radio) and I was a little afraid to recommend it. Me, I'm already looking forward to the next one (I love Daniel Craig as Bond!).

I shouldn't even be gabbing yet, I've got to get my work done.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176467

Patsi

That would require them using their brains. Let's talk about the Big Dawgs penis instead.

Jack

Patsi@9:11

I saw something on education in Korea. Turns out they are over-educated and are shopping the Far East for worker bees willing to work in Korea for limited periods of time.

I see the real problem in America as being the slash-and-burn syndrome where major businesses are enticed into a community for maybe 20-years through tax incentives. When the twenty years are up, they're gone leaving the detritus of rotting plants and workers made obsolete because their employers had no long-term commitment to them or their communities. That's what has to change.

"....my crazy old blanche dubois aunt had her a studebaker"

sturge, my little minnow, i didn't know we were related!
had an old studi president speedster hardtop myself. loved that car. blk and cream v-8. design won a prize for raymond lowey that year... too bad they were so rust prone tho, it would be worth a fortune now.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176454

Tom, just peeking in again, saw your link. I agree with you and am pleased that Hillary and Barack are bonding.

I noticed on the left side of that article you posted those very nice, historical pictures. Enjoyed that. Nice way to start the day. Thanks.

What type of eduaction is needed for workers? Not all jobs require a college liberal arts education. Many require more of a vocational education. Problem is getting the right mix.

A college education isn't appropriate for everyone, some just for for 4 years of partying before they have to make a real life decision.

Part of the problem is peoples attitudes towards work. Many/most who have had a college education don't want to work with their hands. I see this all the time in my industry, it is very rare to have a printing press operator that has a college education. The college educated folks gravitate to the Customer Service Rep and Electronic Prepress jobs. Funny thing is, the pressmen make a lot more money. And when they work overtime, which is normal, they make a lot more than their managers do.

Flatus

Iguess the question then is who's children get to shovel excrement and who's get to live in the bighouse.

I like South Korea's problem. It is a good one to have.

Jack

"Part of the problem is peoples attitudes towards work."

Bow, You are so right. I've seen college graduates out of work for months, even years, because some think they can do only one kind of work. I've seen other college grads (one was a psychologist) who didn't like what he did and preferred to work with his hands. It's all about attitude.

How your printing business doing? I thought I remembered you saying something about it slowing down a while back.

"I shouldn't even be gabbing yet, I've got to get my work done"
Glad your gabbing Chloe. I read your comment about loving long growing seasons ,me too! I have so many wonderful flowers and tropical plants here in Florida,I love gardening and watching things grow! I just put in a new purple Bougainvillea and my winter impatience..Red and white blossoms.

"When the twenty years are up, they're gone leaving the detritus of rotting plants and workers made obsolete because their employers had no long-term commitment to them or their communities. That's what has to change. "

Good point, Flatus....did you ever read "Free Lunch"?

Also -- Bow -- Yes -- agree about tech training -- and I should have included tech schools in the mix. Costs are up everywhere.

Sounds beautiful tony. I think our states have similar seasons. I don't know how far north you are in Florida, but I suspect the weather is almost identical.

And Jack -- speaking of news you can use:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Health/story?id=6309940&page=1

(Actually, this is a kind of bizarre story....)

Good article on Larry Summers being insider at White House now that his protoge Geithner has Treasury

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122740604807650973.html

The Daily Beast has several good links this morning

http://www.thedailybeast.com/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176482

Hey Chloe
I'm in Central Florida,New Smyrna Beach. I'm 30 miles north of Cape Canaveral.Its not impossible to get a freeze overnight here, but thankfully it doesn't happen that often.Oh man when they give a freeze warning I'm out just covering everything! The dogs get mad at me cause I cover up there favorite watering spots..HA HA Oh well.........

Well it was 15 degrees in Nashua at 6:00 am this morning when I came home from work.

How is the printing business? Well it looks like things are starting to pick up at our plant. the Press room had it's first 40+ hour week since July. Crews were doing mandatory 36 hour weeks. The schedule looks better than it has in awhile, but our customer mix has changed. We had to find replacement work to makeup for regular customers reducing their orders.

Wow! Did anyone see that meteorite that hit in Canada? They just showed a video of it on MSN. It hit with something like a hundred pound of TNT or something like that. Good thing it landed in Canada instead of someplace where people live, huh?

"...did you ever read "Free Lunch"?" patsi@10:35

No, Patsi, I haven't. Just googled it--looks like the kind of book that would make me crazy.

I was half way listening to one of the interviews that was on yesterday. Someone, don't know who, made the remark that we have "privatized profit and socialized risk" with the bailouts as they are currently structured. Isn't that the truth.

If someone knows whose line that is, please help with proper attribution.

Wow... I just took this civics test myself and got 81.82 % correct !!! And no googling ! LOL.. (I got 6 of the questions wrong... which is a good thing because now I doubt I will ever forget them) !!!

US officials flunk test of Amerian history, economics, civics

WASHINGTON (AFP) – US elected officials scored abysmally on a test measuring their civic knowledge, with an average grade of just 44 percent, the group that organized the exam said Thursday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081120/od_afp/ushistoryeducationoffbeat

If you wish to take the test yourself, here is the link:

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/

Duh, now that I see the answers, I am embarrassed by the questions I got wrong !!

LOVE ME LOVE ME LOVE ME, I'm a LIBERAL...

The brilliant Phil Ochs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP7fJR9PaXI

All this end of year talk reminds me of a failed musical that unfortunately meant the death of a beautiful song. It's so obscure I can't find it anyplace but my soundtrack of the show ... you tube & rhapsody failed in this mission. Just for Today from Her First Roman

JUST FOR TODAY

Candle climb upward
Tallow Return
Lengthen Burned Wick
Do Me This Trick
Unburn, unburn, unburn

Make me a child again
Just for today
Foolish and Wild again
Just for today
Make me unwise again
Teach me surprise again
See through young eyes again
Just for today

Wisdom desert me
Folly Return
Brain of my Youth
Wrinkled by Truth
unlearn unlearn unlearn

Children who cared for me
Come out and play
Don't hide in Memory
Just for today
Kitten be found again
I'll chase you round again
Free and unbound again
Just for today

All that is beautiful
Bring back once more
Leave all that's dutiful
Outside my door
Seasons reverse for me
Undo this curse for me
Unknown what's worse for me
Just For Today

Candle climb upward
Tallow Return
Lengthen Burned Wick
Do Me This Trick
Unburn, unburn, unburn

"If you wish to take the test yourself, here is the link:

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/"

90.91%

Two questions, I over-thought; one, I flat missed.

"For Richardson, Confirmation Process is Been-There, Done-That" Craig's post.

I dunno, there's that new question on political perfidy.

"looks like the kind of book that would make me crazy."

Actually -- that's true. I loaned it to a friend of mine and he later called and told me he wished he'd never read it!

GOOD ONE FLATUS!!!

Happy Birthday Harborwoman!

Does anybody know if there is really a chance of Chambliss losing the Georgia voting?

"If you're all going to keep finding fault with everyone who endorsed Obama we might as well keep the current team in place. "

This post makes no sense. I re-read every post since 6 AM. Nobody has posted anything about anyone endorsing Obama. What's your point? (Other than to once again point a finger at "you people.")

Tony if you are still around... did I share this video yet?

OK2BGAY

by TomBoy (Denmark) This vid is hilarious... check out Little Gay Dog LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bGW4ShpNU

Does anybody know if there is really a chance of Al Franken winning the Minnesota recount?

Every once in a while I worry about me. I took the Civics test with these results.

You answered 33 out of 33 correctly — 100.00 %

Average score for this quiz during November: 77.6%
Average score: 77.6%

There is an off chance I may need to get a life.

Rosie-----just checking in

"Wow! Did anyone see that meteorite that hit in Canada? They just showed a video of it on MSN. It hit with something like a hundred pound of TNT or something like that. Good thing it landed in Canada instead of someplace where people live, huh?"

Two thoughts----1stis-----Wow also----i believe that this is how we got here-----from various types of meteorits that brought all the dna, at some point the aggregate (around 3 bil years ago) to make the simple life form of bacteria,,,,please post any more info if u find more on this--------2nd thought is that your second thought about Canada is funny---nice way to start the day----hope --TYLENOL-----doesn't see it,

Steve Forbes, and Robert Reich on cnn----almost voted for Forbes,,,,like his flat tax ideas,,,should also have a flat sales tax of about 15-20% if you but a $ 100.00 item it is taxed at the same rate as the big luxury items---add another 1-2 % on them if u want to tax the rich some more,,,,no more irs,,,and all the complicated tax forms,,,,government much more easy to follow not like the 10's of bill's that no one knows. how they r missing,,,10 bil in iraq alone??

NC? isn't it Georgia?

It's been snowing hard here in Belgium. I have not left my apartment... which I often don't do on Sundays anyway. I have located a very nice park close to where I live to do daily exercise walks, so I am looking forward to that (just not today ;-) . So far the high today has been ZERO (32 degrees fahrenheit). You know, it's times like these that I remain GRATEFUL...

I have a job

I have an apartment

I have the ability to keep the apartment warm !!!

I realize a lot of people don't....

40,000 words to go ?

Yikes !

Take those kittens off your heads and get some wolverines for your ankles.

Here's an article on that meteorite. The treasure hunt is on

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=62dedb5f-2ef7-4c1f-ade1-516293ac0fd1

You answered 32 out of 33 correctly — 96.97 %

Jamie -
We'll have get us some wheelbarells to lug around all the minutiae we collect.

Jamie--thank u for that site on the meteorite,,,,,they now have a way ---or a very good idea of where it may have come from-----by its density

Took that test and only scored a 75%----better pay more attention to you

i have delayed tape on of cnn----
Al Gore on now---looks like he lost some weight -----looks good,,,on the Fareed Zakaria show

CB

I don't know about you, but there are times when something will pop up as an answer where I sort of look at it and go, "Now where in the world did I pick up that bit to store in a grey cell"

Of course this probably explains why there is no room for me to remember why I'm in the kitchen with a dumbfounded look as to just what errand brought me there.

Obama's 'Born' Conspiracy

Forged images, phony photos, and felony fraud

"The following report is the culmination of over four months of intensive, empirical research whose sole purpose has been to determine if the images and photographs posted on the Internet are true reproductions of a genuine document purported to be Obama's original birth certificate. The idea for the research actually began from the time when the first image was posted on June 12 to the Daily Kos."

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy_forged_images,_phony_photos,_and_felony_fraud.thtml

you know, of course, that it aint GORDO who is going to make something happen or not happen.....old gord on this site, at any rate, is merely a storm crow.......he's actually informing as to what is attempting to be shaped up out there and brought to fruition by the same folks who brought yas impeachments, swift-boatings, "trickle-down", and such-like that-air.......

forewarned is four-armed and all that.............

Meteorite
As i understan(remember) once a star explodes,,,it disburses to all parts of the universe--------the cooler, and the faster that they cool down, the more mass that they retain,,,the hotter, the less mass, and have cores in them----we now believe that instead of blowing them up ( which we can't anyway) we can guide them off the earths path----on the Science channel,,they have a 3-4 part series ...they believe it is just a matter of time, that one large one will hit the earth,,,when we find (and we will) which planet can sustain us humans,,,,that will be the start of the next frontier to conquer,,,,and the next major step in our evolution,,,,and sturgs--ecample of too crowded to laugh hahaha---now have to hohoho will be the first change---our eyes will be changed to hohoho---our pupils will adjust and become-up to down,and maybe green,,,,

LOL LOL LOL... there are all these fun posts here and then ...

Crazy conspiracy appears again! LOL... I love this place.

Sturg-

Sorry to steal your line but i sorta liked the way it explains the diff in shape, plus the way it sounds

ET---u r in good spirits today---10 push ups---now,,,,,start juicing

solar.....not a problem......I boosted it from WCFIELDS.....

It was so crowded they couldn't clap THIS way (indicates sideways clapping) they had to clap THIS way (indicates vertical clapping)......it was so packed they couldn't laugh "ha ha ha", they had to laugh "Ho ho ho.....

--WC Fields

Thanks for the birthday wishes, ET! They're much appreciated...even if the advancing age is NOT!!!

Happy Birthday----Harborwoman.

Obama's 'Born' Conspiracy
Polarik - November 22

"Do you remember, or ever hear about, the "Watergate Conspiracy?" Do you remember, or ever hear about, what happened to President Richard Nixon as a result?

"Conspiracy" is no laughing matter, ladies and gentlemen, and neither is "document fraud," as in creating and passing a counterfeit birth certificate."

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

Thought for the day :
" If you bow at all, bow low. "

Good advice that.

And it's the birthday of -

1859 Billy the Kid [William H Bonney], criminal

There is no greater tourist trap than the grave of Billy the Kid. As you drive down the road to it, the road seems to be going directly to a low yellow building with "Billy the Kid's Grave & Museum " painted all over the front. The road curves just in front, and passes to the west of the building. You get out and pay to enter one of the cheesiest two headed calf museums in the American west. After your tour of the "museum", and your forced passage into the gift shop of rubber tipped arrows, there is a small window where the old woman say's, " Would you like to see the grave ?"

"Yes , yes I would", you reply.
You are then directed out the front door, and around the west side of the building to the grave yard where Billy, Tom O'Follard. and Charlie Boudre, lie together with the headstone's inscription "Pals" on it.
This is the grave yard of Ft. Sumner, and open to the public at no cost.

Now, I admit this visit was more than 2 decades ago, and things change, but I loved the whole set-up. I loved being separated from my 5 dollars to see something for free.

http://www.skylinesongs.com/Billys%20Grave_22.jpg

Tom O'Follard. and Charlie Boudre, were killed in a running gun fight that ended at Stinking Springs, New Mexico, 7 months before Billy's death. Billy was captured by a posse led by Pat Garret in the same engagement.

BC

Was there a "This Way To The Egress Sign"?

One iguana
Snakes and other fauna
Got no bearded lady but we're get'na
When you duck out
Take another buck out
Run around the block
And see a new show start.

" no room for me to remember why I'm in the kitchen .......... "

Just as long as you know what a kitchen is dear, that's the important thing.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176529

So far I've managed to avoid getting lost going from room to room .... or even city to city

Harbor Woman

http://www.hutchinsonscountrystation.com/home/1048/1048/images/animated-birthday-cake.gif

It should be noted that GORDO is merely following a long American tradition of a small packs of dogs all chasing their tails.

Garret was no hero, Billy wasn't killed -

http://marcelle.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=chat&action=display&thread=499

Thanks all for the birthday wishes! Love the cake, Jamie!

And C'Bob...it's also the birthdate of Boris Karloff...my personal favorite to share a birthdate with, though Billy Kidd could eclipse him.

Oops! Billy the Kid!

Habor-
Happy Birthday , here's two much better characters you share your birthday with -

1888 Harpo Marx [Adolph] NYC, actor/comedian (Marx brothers)
1945 Steve Landesberg Bronx NY, comedian/actor (Barney Miller)

Billy the Kid's Real Grave -

Well they fixed up the place ( scroll down ) , but the museum feud in Ft. Sumner rolls on .

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2169

Billy the Kid vs Dracula -

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JAOLjWwML._SL500.jpg

happy harbors, harborwoman. here's more about your special day from wiki:
"Georgians call St. George's day Giorgoba. It is celebrated every year on 23 November (November 10 on Julian Calendar). It's a very important day for Georgians, schools and Universities are canceled and everyone eats Georgian traditional food, and goes to church."

and here's a description of a georgian feast with toasts and recipes just for you.
http://sisauri.tripod.com/ref/cuisine/cuisine.html

Billy the Kid invents the under wire bra -

http://i00.twenga.com/v/45/96/354596vb.png

Watching the five minute silent chess scene from the Thomas Crown Affair. One of those classics for movie buffs. May hold the record for longest screen kiss at the end. Supposedly took a whole day just to shoot the kiss.

In just 60 years the Kid went from this :

http://www.chronicleoftheoldwest.com/pics/billy_the_kid-large.jpg

To this :

http://www.princessaura.com/With%20Taylor.jpg

"This is the west sir , when legend becomes fact, print the legend."

gordo, imho you are neither a crow or a tail-chasing dog; but more like the classic greek chorus forever warning of tragedie and doom.

just curious, were the birth certs, name changes, school and professional application documents of william jefferson blythe III ever publically displayed or were they also subject to similar question prior to inauguration?

http://www.mercurysolarsystems.com/

HOW SOLAR ENERGY WORKS---fun site with videos,,,,solar this , solar that, im getting tired,,, need help.

There are two types of Solar Systems to consider:
Photovoltaic (PV) systems turn sunshine into electricity,

while Solar Domestic Hot Water systems collect the sun's heat. Solar Electric/ Photovoltaic (PV) Systems and Solar Thermal Solutions are both available to residential and commercial users.

Thousands pick up free vegetables on Colo. farm

PLATTEVILLE, Colo. -- A farm couple got a huge surprise when they opened their fields to anyone who wanted to pick up free vegetables left over after the harvest - 40,000 people showed up.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110ap_food_giveaway.html

Dad ran off with Liz Taylor, Cary Grant lectured me about drugs, George Lucas ruined my life: The extraordinary autobiography of CARRIE FISHER -

Mom and Dad were great friends with Elizabeth Taylor and her husband Mike Todd. Mike died in a plane crash in 1958, when I was two, and my dad flew to Elizabeth's side, making his way slowly to her front.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1088513/Dad-ran-Liz-Taylor-Cary-Grant-lectured-drugs-George-Lucas-ruined-life-The-extraordinary-autobiography-CARRIE-FISHER.html

Remember the white dress I wore all through that film? George came up to me the first day of filming, took one look at the dress and said: 'You can't wear a bra under that dress.'

'OK, I'll bite,' I said. 'Why?' And he said: 'Because ... there's no underwear in space.'

He said it with such conviction. Like he had been to space and looked around and he didn't see any bras or panties anywhere.

He explained. 'You go into space and you become weightless. Then your body expands but your bra doesn't, so you get strangled by your own underwear.'

I think that this would make for a fantastic obituary. I tell my younger friends that no matter how I go, I want it reported that I drowned in moonlight, strangled by my own bra.

Instead of a bra, what do you think I wore for support, intergalactically? Gaffer tape.

HB, HW!

Happy Birthday Harborwoman!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glNjsOHiBYs

Jamie -
Clearly you're not smoking enough pot -

ScienceDaily (Nov. 23, 2008) — Ohio State University scientists are finding that specific elements of marijuana can be good for the aging brain by reducing inflammation there and possibly even stimulating the formation of new brain cells.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119120141.htm

"...specific elements of marijuana..."

Any guesses on how soon it will be added to the military formulary?

Solar panels on graves give power to Spanish town

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081123/ap_on_re_eu/eu_spain_solar_cemetery;_ylt=AhIrL8uDtcW9zRy.XmWn2mBbbBAF

Flatus -

Good question

I figure it will be about the time hell freezes over.

bob on lenny.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pjSwt93v2U

pirates seize biggest one yet "supertanker, which belongs to Saudi Arabia’s state-owned shipping line, Vela International Marine Ltd.

Al-Shabaab told the pirates holding the Saudi tanker to release it or face armed conflict, Sheikh Abdulaahi Osman, a commander of the group in Harardhere, said by phone today.

“Saudi is a Muslim country and it is very big crime to hold Muslim property,” Osman said. “I warned again and again those who hold the ship must free it unconditionally or armed conflict should be the solution. If they don’t free the ship, we will rescue it by force.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akOCnbd1Xvjc&refer=home

"old gord on this site, at any rate, is merely a storm crow.......he's actually informing as to what is attempting to be shaped up out...........forewarned is four-armed and all that............."

Do you mean that Sturge? Do you really think he's just a warning sign, that they're not going to let this go?

water from air
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/23/water-mill-eco-invention

patd ----------------

Blythe/Clinton's "natural born" citizenship status was not questioned.

Obama (and McCain) had dual citizenship at birth. Donofrio's lawsuit is about ineligibility for POTUS because of dual citizenship (divided loyalty).

Even if he was born in HI - ineligible.

I see some are holding their breath..

"Blythe/Clinton's "natural born" citizenship status was not questioned."

Patd,

I don't recall Clinton having many death threats or extreme security issues either. Or don't even remember any Clinton hanging effigies. What difference sixteen years make.

'When I'm 64'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyv3PJs-KBw&feature=related

Craig - need words? contumacious

transgressor nomothetic torpor suborn de trop
deliquescent

Bethy

The restriction is only on spare the air days --other days ok
There is a ban on new wood burning fireplaces by dept of planning

ps Bethy
this is just the nine bay area counties

Bethy

After all those, Craig will need

panacea

KGC - the important part is that it's just the bay area. I thought the ban on new wood-burning fireplaces had been around for awhile. I have no quarrel with it, except how they get the news out. I signed up for alerts and sent the site to bunches of people. Thanks for that.
As long as I can have one or two wood fires, I'll be thrilled.

Jamie - you're right. We all need at least one panacea, huh?

The weather channel has a segment called forecast earth, and right now they're interviewing Barbara Kingsolver, one of my nieces heroines. They're talking about her new way of eating, etc.

Lenny and soft soap Steve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAAHekYwjH8

perhaps it's something or other I dont understand, but that "pardon" of john lennon by the catholic church is really offensive......I know everything offends someone......yada yada.......but they way they passed it off as being lennon's youthful joke.....nah.....he was commenting in a salient way about rock and roll and jeebus.......and for that jerk-pope to say they "forgive" john lennon is a crock.......

Imagine no religion........

Bethy

You are correct about the timing on the new fireplace ban --it is a couple of years old. I

Photo of Bush. How much longer until 1/20?

http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/news-toppix1117/1/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176588

Sturgeone

I had the same reaction to that pronouncement except I sort of imagined John and John Paul looking down and going, "Whatta Doofus"

john on beatles and jesus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ6NL3iNNMs

Did Lennon ever forgive the Catholic Church ?

"As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TH6-bQYuiU

i forgive 'em cause it's their being there which made this possible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0

but that pushy crap's gotta go......

Imagine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0

Sturg----as u say,,,yup------popes are just like nuns,,,only better dressed-------frock em-!!!! how nice that would be---to imagine no religion yup!

Three Days Grace - I Hate Everything About You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9K9rM1SVE

This sounds familiar :
From The Geneologue Website : Arthur Hinman would publish a book, "How A British Subject Became President of the United States", the substance of which was related in a Brooklyn Daily Eagle article dated June 2, 1884: The main charge of the book is that William Chester Alan Arthur was born in Dunham Flats, Canada, on [sic] March, 1828, and that he represented himself to have been born at North Fairfield, Vermont, the birthplace of a younger brother, Chester Abell Arthur, who was born in 1830, and died a year later. It is stated that in 1834 when another son was born he received the name of William Arthur, Jr., and then the name William was dropped by William Chester Alan Arthur, and he was henceforth known as Chester Alan Arthur. The records, copies of which are given, show that in 1845 Chester Alan Arthur entered Union College, stating his age to be 16.

Wow----Chloe-i did not mean it--u can laugh at padt's jokes---nobody else does ,,,but u go ahead------three days grace---huh

Sorry Solar, but I just love that song.

Hmm, watching South Florida against UConn. Looks like it might be a decent game. ESPN

only kidding u---i booked it so i can hear it later---my son has my pc---left me his with no speakers------i have been going nuts with all the new tunes that i never heard before ---and can't now.,,,,that joke stuff was cos u asked padt not to make u laugh any more about cows- and carps.

I knew what you mean Solar (but it was so funny at the time).
I link some more of my favorite (weird) music I like when you get your speakers back....going to watch Dexter now...have a good evening. :)

60 minutes was very good----A kid name Rex was born with a brain abnormality, and was told (the parents ) that he would never walk, talk read etc,,,,, he is now a music prodigy that can play any song after just hearing it once,,,,,they play a shubert song for him, and sung it in latin,,,he played it right back, and sung it in latin---incredible story----he still can't tie his shoes though ----has a book out---REX---he is 13 years old.

Shout out: While many of you are on high minded searches, for secrets of the Dead Sea Scrolls and ancient ruins, I am on a different quest....looking for a hippo, a penguin and a zebra.

Should any of you drive through a McDonalds and find any of these (I need the boy hippo -- already have the girl) -- I will pay you back plus shipping obviously.

I went begging to four McDonalds today and came up empty on those three.

I have a copy of Madagascar for my granddaughter for Christmas....and how can we watch the movie together without having all the toys in front of us????

Give me one more day though....I suspect one of the McDonalds I went to is hoarding zebras and penguins. The guy at the first window told me they had ALL the characters, and the guy at the front said they only had the girl hippo. I smell a conspiracy. Gordo? Can you help?

Patsi---im on it---just got off the phone with one of my laid off workers---he is working Mcdonalds and said he will have them here Wed. night------said he was pretty sure---so we will see

Solar! I salute you -- as does little Maria Irina!

1936 Candidate for President William Lemke's parent were both foreigners, his dad from Prussia, his mom from Bavaria.

Apparently, Woodrow Wilson's mother was a British subject like Arthur's. Momma Wilson was born in Carlisle, Cumberland, England to Scottish parents.

Obviously, the natural born argument is worhtless.
We'd have to impeach 2 presidents posthumously.( :>D)

Colbert's Christmas Special on now....

Patsi---let me know if u get them from some other place first,,ill still get them if i can,,,but don't pass them up----question---how will i be able to tell the diff from a male hippo and a female hippo?????

Patsi,

Good luck finding the elusive critters.

SolarCrete,

Turn 'em upside down.

Actually, I'll bet one has eyelashes or lipstick. Further, I'll guess that they'll be calling that one the female.

Is it sexist for me to assume that ? Or is it a matter of knowing the fatfood culture.

Or, am I totally wrong - no lipstick of eyelashes ?

" a male hippo and a female hippo?????"

Ha! The boy is showing his muscles....and the girl is a little curvier....

Colbert's special is hilarious.....

"and the girl is a little curvier...."

As hippos go, of course....

Jeezus! Toby Keith was hilarious, and Willie Nelson & Colbert's pot hymn is killin' me.

Willie is trying to steal his pot back from the baby Jesus....

They've just arrested Willie in the Nativity Scene.

Obama certificate lawsuit dismissed

"Judge says Net author Martin had no standing to get birth document"

same old same old. same crap different day.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081121/NEWS20/811210355/1001/localnewsfront

Just asking---that was all:-))))

Solar -- the funniest part is that both are striking poses....lol

The Unseen Alistair Cook on Masterpiece Theater tonight.
His home movies from as far back as 1932 . What a life, color film he shot on the campaign trial in 1956. Covering Adlai Stevenson, with Bogie & Bacall on the bus.
Stevenson is wearing a white campaign button the size of a cinnamon roll.

Omnibus -

With Ford Foundation funding, Omnibus, hosted by Alistair Cooke in his American television debut, featured diverse programming about science, the arts, and the humanities. The program featured original works by playwrights such as William Saroyan, interviews with celebrities such as Frank Lloyd Wright, and performances by many of the most famous entertainers of the day such as Jack Benny and Orson Welles. The series was the occasion for the first television appearances of Jonathan Winters and Leonard Bernstein, who gave his first televised music lectures and master classes on it. - Wiki

Omnibus and Wild Kingdom made Sunday afternoons.

Well, if YOU can't tell the difference between a boy hippo and a girl hippo, there is somethng wrong.

Thanks Rezdog,

If they had asked to inspect a copy rather than get a copy, they might have been accommodated. I guess the purpose is not to actually see the birth certificate, but to do something else.

We'd have to impeach 2 presidents posthumously.( :>D)

XR -
We can take a page from the Catholic Church, they dug up heretics, and burnt them. Or the Mormons they still baptize dead people.

xrepublican -------------------

Repost:

"All I can say to this is,
PRESIDENT CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR, SON OFBRITISH SUBJECT ! ! !

Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | November 23, 2008 2:42 AM"

All I can say to this is,

THERE WAS NO SUPREME COURT CHALLENGE !!!

Is it true that the Mormons have, like, the largest genealogical bank in the world and that they do everyone in America? I'd heard that somewhere.

Rosie -

Yep. and it's for that very reason I just posted.

Rosie---ha i knew that i would flush u out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QO4T86iRU&feature=related

It's so you can save your ancestors. Mormons get people to convert, and then they in turn can get bust saving dead Lutherans, or Mayans. Makes no difference what you were in life, if one of your descendants converts to the Latter Day Saints, bingo you can be a Mormon.

CB

Speaking of Mormans,
I believe that they maybe the reason for the cheap gas in Independence MO. After all we are in desperate times and it islooking more and more like the end of time. And when that happens everybody knows that Jesus is returning to earth in Independence not a 1/4 mile from where I bought gas today for $1.37.

And when Jesus does return he will look to the east and this is what he will see

http://www.f-stop.com/rlds.htm

Kinda makes one want to hum "The Stairway to Heaven"

Jack

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWSUIT DISMISSED

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081121/NEWS20/811210355/1001/localnewsfront

Repost. . lol

The cool story about Alistair Cook tonight. He wanted his ashes spread in Central Park. So his step daughter had 11 members of the family go around the corner to Starbucks, and each one got an empty cup. 11 people dressed in black walking in Central Park with coffee cups . She knew they would never get permission to have a ceremony to do it. They divided up the ashes into 11 portions, and just took a walk in the park.

Sweet

Posted by: GORDO | November 23, 2008 11:05 PM : "THERE WAS NO SUPREME COURT CHALLENGE !!!"
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Absolutely right. I think that says a lot about the merits of cases like this.

WOODROW WILSON'S MOTHER WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT !

BTW

It is easy to make fun of odd ball beliefs and all religions have them.
The thing about the LDS and the RLDS people for me anyway. I have never met any that I didn't like, they have all been decent good people. I can't say that about any other religion. I'm sure there are bastards out there,after all they are human but they stay away from me.

Jack

Solar-you will always be my Super Mario ;)

Jack -
Spiffy church -

The Mormons own the mall here in Lubbock, they are the largest mall developers in the world.

They have a bad history with Missouri though.

C-Bob, that is sweet.

Never ask if ya think the answer will be no.

tt

whskyjack,

What is that building in the photo ?

Who was making fun?

Jack -

I agree great people , I drilled all over Utah, from Moab to Bear Lake.

What are you doing with all that cheap gas ?

Done----if i don't have to put on that silly costume----

Rosie -
Don't leave, I got a program for you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/open-thread-weekend.html#comment-176642

Xrep

It is the RLDS, Reorganised Latter Day Saints(the mormons that didn't go to Utah) Temple, in Independence. Across the street west is where they believe Jesus is returning, That lot and church is owned by another branch of the church, who's name escapes me but is also not the Mormons(LDS)

Jack

Rosie---u r the one---and will u dress like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4se4nwh_e24&feature=related

"Who was making fun?"

I would have to plead guilty.

Jack

Rosie -

OnyX 1.9.9
OS X maintenance & optimization tool, Leopard only.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/11582

Down load and install this puppy . It will keep your machine clean and running zippy as the day you bought it.
May not be a problem now, but in time as you surf around, it will help you clean out the junk you start to pick -up.

xrepublican-----------------

If a parent became a "naturalized" citizen before the birth (not conception - don't have exact date.) -- then the child would be a "natural born" citizen.

"natural born" citizen = Both parents US citizens and birth on US soil.

This is the Donofrio argument.

"What are you doing with all that cheap gas ? "

Today, we bought some Christmas lights with the 20 bucks my wife didn't put in the tank. Yesterday I bought a couple of sticks to make a dodad for the house.

Jack

Solar-you're sooo bad. ;)
Jack-I wouldn't call that making fun, just being pithy.

Hey Tip -
Are you up late , or out early ?

Rosie _

What part of Alaska are you in ?

Thanks CB-I'm installing it now. Maybe one of these days I'll understand what I just did. I'm usually reading and working on my Macs for Dummies while I'm on here and I'm up to page 117 (out of 700). I 'm still confused about the difference between,like, a folder and a file, but I guess it will come in time. :)

Citigroup seeks 'emergency cash

Executives of Citigroup, one of the biggest banks in the US, are in emergency talks with the US Treasury to gain much-needed funding, reports say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7744814.stm

Buckle those chin straps boys and girls.

CB

The Mormons had problems in several places. It is not one of the nicer episodes in our history.

As i tell people the reason we have a constitution where we write down the rules isn't because we are better than those who don't , It is because there are days when deep in our hearts we know we aren't.

Jack

C-Bob, I'm here for a while still.

tt

It's late, got stuff to do in the morning.

Nite all

Jack

In 1845 the Mormons were not wanted in the east---pres.Polk made a military unit out of them,gave them a little money, and sent them on their way to fight in the Mexican-American war,,,,they were, and are very clanish and wound up in utah and as they say the rest is history

Rosie -

A folder is just something you create to put things in . Like all the photos from a vacation, or your word processing program : TextEdit. If you write a book, on TextEdit you would create a folder : "My Great Book" Then as the days went by each time you wrote a few pages that would be a file, and you'd stick it in your "My Great Book" folder.

Have you looked at the blue spyglass in the upper right hand corner ?
That's your spyglass , click it, and type in anything you want to find on the compooter. Up pops everything even close to what you're looking for, with the best item first. You can find "My Great Book" folder in seconds every time.

Type in Grapher, that'll blow your mind. It was 4 months before I found that thing, and I still can use it.

CAN'T use it.

Tip -
How are your boys doing ?

How many birth certificates can dance on the head of a pin ?

Talk to Pamela Geller.

Good night Jack -

I liked the tidbit today about fung shwa in Missouri. It's a wide wide world.

C-Bob, thanks for asking. Both are fine.

tt

"As Bush's Term Ends, Some Big Names Seek Pardons"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/23/AR2008112302097.html?hpid=topnews

*but of course*

tt

*sweep-sweep*

The last one out, turn off the light.

tt

Kansas City Southern - Pure Prairie League

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIjm7eskfs

I been a couple a places
I seen a lot of things
When ever I reach back in time
My memory starts to ring

Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.)

Josh at TMP was so deep into this story. Cunningham had the nastiest hot tub in Washington , on that jive ass boat of his. Literally he never changed the water in it. Hard to believe " Top Gun " was based on his guy.

I remember me and 9/11 doing Snoopy dances over this guy, and " Scandal Jack" Abramhoff.

Bush will pardon him in a heart beat.

From the home economics file -

Never put an Arbys roast beef sandwich in the microwave, it has a metallic wrapper.

I remember Omnibus. We watched it faithfully. Cook took the oportunity to play music he liked. He was a great jazz fan. Anyway, I first heard "Happy Happy Africa" on his show and I doubt that there ever was a more cheery tune. Kind of the anti-Blues. I can't find it anywhere.

Do you really think he'll pardon Cunningham????????

Waylon Jennings - I'm a Ramblin' Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--XdhfJKjEk

Colorado Bob,

I can't believe babybush would pardon randy. There is no % in it, is there ?

I mean, what might randy have that scrub might want ?

What a loathsome, thought. Now I won't be able to sleep.

I'm teasing. Goodnight.

Betty -
I'd put money on it. Duke and that little toupee topped toadstool from Ohio Nye.

XRep -

"Happy Happy Africa" , I'll remember that one.

Les Paul & Mary Ford on Omnibus (7min version with jokes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YA_RINQySU

Hank Snow - "I've Been Everywhere"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxvZ808eI0

Hank Snow - I'm Movin' On

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQunHYfQs5U

The digital simulation of the mars rover played with Holst's "mars" from "the planets"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZWOGcdC_PI

29 palms- robert plant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIjUD09xRA

Cbob,

Are you channeling my record collection?

PPL, Waylon, Hank Snow.....

Great program this morning on PBS... searching for Shambhala....