Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

"lame w duck" lol courtesy of harvard's niall ferguson last night on news hour re scon mtg:

"The problem is that the host is President Lame W. Duck, and that really puts the mockers on the likelihood of this meeting delivering any very positive result, especially after President Bush's I thought rather inflammatory speech yesterday.

I must say, when I hear President Bush defend anything, I have to question it. And when I hear him defend the free market, then even I, as a staunch free-marketeer, become a little bit nervous...

... I think it would be much better if the United States were to talk directly to one of its biggest creditors, if not its biggest creditor, China, and try to ask the question, how can we coordinate our stimulus packages? How can we coordinate our monetary policies so that our relationship doesn't break down?

....if that China-America relationship goes wrong in the year ahead, then the world comes significantly closer to a Great Depression rather than just the big recession that we currently face."

scon = economic

btw, 1st program where the big "d" word heard spoken out loud..... and more than once.

Goldie explains it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzta9XU-CEA

Is it just me or does Keith Olbermann come across as really not liking Hillary? He seems almost dumbfounded that should would be considered for such a high profile job in the Obama administration. At no point did he say "well she would certainly be a strong SOS...

Horsey -

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1862

ET -
Keith has bad case of LDD

Lou Dobbs Disease

explain Anon... I don't watch Dobbs ... I did see him a few times on TV, but I don't fully understand the connection.

Craig, You were so interesting on Olberman. So many ideas though, I didn't know which one to latch on to. The curiosity is killing me.

Can you give us a better idea of what you believe would be the most likely reason for a strategic leak? I'm not buying the idea of it being to put pressure on her. And it seems kinda extreme, if they simply want her to not make demands. But it does make sense that they're floating the idea around to get a reaction, since that's what politicians always seem to do.

All of this still doesn't give us much to hang on to. Do you have a more specific opinion? And do you think Hillary is the most qualified, of the names being floated, for the Secretary of State job?

ET -
Taking up an issue or cause and grinding on it day after day. In Dobb's case it was, and still is immigration. Keith's doing the same thing with Hillary.
Plus being on cable news seems to do something to people's egos. The drive for ratings inflates those things something fierce. The Roman's had it right, when they had a slave on the back of the chariot whispering in the conquering general's ear :
" All fame is fleeting, a fame is fleeting"

Perhaps some intern every night needs to fill is duty.

chloe, and the good american that i am would like to know if the new 007 movie is worth paying at the box office, renting as a cd or just waiting for it to show up free on tcm.

so glad you're back.... you add a great deal to the warmth and soul in this otherwise cold,sterile lab.

Posted by: patd | November 15, 2008 5:28 AM

chloe, and the good american that i am would like to know if the new 007 movie is worth paying at the box office, renting as a cd or just waiting for it to show up free on tcm. patd 5:28 AM

Ha, Pat. You may be asking the wrong person. Daniel Craig (and James Bond) can do no wrong, where I'm concerned.

It's a lot more of an action movie this time, and a good one. But it is slightly different than the previous ones (can't put my finger on it.) We enjoyed it a lot, but we're real movie buffs. Seeing a movie on TV is not the same experience as seeing it in the theatre, imo. It's a whole different experience. So I'd never wait for the video on any movie, if it's something I want to see. :)

ps. Pat, thanks for that 6:37 post. Do you have more info. or is that the whole article?

man cannot live by bread alone......he must have peanut butter.
---Brother Dave Gardiner

Sturge, Brother Dave is right.
As long as I have some good bread and the right peanut butter, I'm happy. :)

Someone may have already mentioned this a few days ago. But it's nice to know there's an abundance of hope for the future.

Obama rides tide of public hopes, good will: poll
"– One week after his historic election, America's first black president-elect Barack Obama is riding on a tide of public confidence that he will improve the economy, government and race relations, a new poll showed Wednesday.

"American voters believe president-elect Barack Obama when he says, 'Yes we can'"..."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081112/pl_afp/uspoliticsobamapoll_081112161923

"...65% — said they think the country will be better off four years from now."

"The reception he's getting is unlike anything we've seen in decades," ....."It's a very high set of expectations to live up to. On the upside, it means people are going to be pulling for him."

"A lower level of optimism greeted President Bush and former president Bill Clinton when they were first elected......"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-11-10-poll-obama_N.htm?csp=34

Dieu et mon peanut butter

MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina (CNN) – South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint on Friday became one of the first high-profile Republicans to publicly criticize John McCain following his electoral defeat, blaming the Arizona senator for betraying conservative principles in his quest for the White House.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/14/gop-senator-mccain-betrayed-republican-principles/

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" I'd really like to see more cowbell."

Flatus, Congratulations to you and Stinky on your new Great Grandchild! Proof that good things come to those who deserve them. :)

Chole -

There's also this about the Obama win -

Obama has more threats than other presidents-elect

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_obama_threats.html

Plus Gingrich was on Fox last night whipping up the lather , warning of the "Secular / homosexual fascism".

Thank you Chloe. We are indeed thankful for our good fortune.

These days, when Gingrich speaks, eyes glaze over. Even on Fox.

"Obama has more threats than other presidents-elect"

And I hope more security.
Why anyone would choose that life, I can't imagine.

Keeping allies close and rivals closer: May be M.O. for Obama White House.

" -- They were bitter rivals during the campaign, but the newly elected U.S. president from Illinois said all along he wasn't looking for a team of allies.

"These are the most able men in the country," Abraham Lincoln said of his new Cabinet. "I'm going to need them by my side."

The explanation may be a century and a half old, but its logic is in vogue with President-elect Barack Obama, who is strongly considering his chief Democratic rival and several other former adversaries to play key roles in his administration.

Sen. Hillary Clinton could even be tapped to serve as Obama's secretary of state, a choice that would closely parallel Lincoln's appointment on that most crucial of choices for a wartime president."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/

Now I need to get some work done. Have a good one all.

Craig.....
sexy looking tie..... it looked to be either deep pink or violet..... either way it looked good on you....

Flatus.... you and Stinky have a new great grandchild..... congrats!

I love Newty..... he's so much fun to make fun of....

Portal to Maya "Hell" Found in Mexico?

According to Maya myth, the souls of the dead had to follow a dog with night vision on a horrific and watery path and endure myriad challenges before they could rest in the afterlife. ................
"Everything is related to death, life, and human sacrifice."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081110-maya-road-to-hell.html

Speaking of Lou Dobbs...or rather, of anti-immigrant hysteria...I'm concerned that my Mexican neighbors down the street appear to have vanished. The children-- about seven of them -- always trick or treated me, and they were a nice bunch of kids. Only one spoke English, but he spoke for the rest. The kids never showed up on Halloween. It then occurred to me that I hadn't seen them outside for a few days. Now, the house seems deserted. But I never saw anyone in the process of moving. I hope something ugly didn't happen. Like the INS.

Chris Rea - Road to Hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBw_da7BZk

Anon -- I read that road to hell story the other day. Would love to see it in person. I visited the ruins of a coliseum where they pointed out the tunnels that both Christian and lion were sent into the arena....it was very nearly a supernatural experience. Much like the feeling I had in the old Syrian fort, Nimrod's outpost in the Golan Heights.

Thank you Renee!

"At least 110 banks have requested about $220 billion from the Treasury Department’s rescue fund,"

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

LOL
Who do they think they are?
Farmers?

Jack

Sturg :

The Beat Farmers -

Riverside

http://favtape.com/artist/beat+farmers/play/The_Beat_Farmers/Riverside

Patsi -
.it was very nearly a supernatural experience.

Same deal here :

http://www.k-state.edu/audubon/archaeoastronomy/fajada_view_7067.jpg

Main page for this guy

http://www.k-state.edu/audubon/archaeoastronomy/

Where is the comment about Palin, you folks are falling down on the job.

Palin, Palin, Palin

There that should do it until you all get wound up

Jack

Tragically Hip - New Orleans Is Sinking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-x9H6lfMs

INS is now called ICE, immigration control and enforcement. Kind of cold, huh.

Where is the comment about Palin, you folks are falling down on the job.

Palin, Palin, Palin

There that should do it until you all get wound up

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack | November 15, 2008 9:04 AM

Jack...I think you found the reason for the leak...more press for Obama and Clinton during the week of Palin, Palin, Palin. Trumped a girl with a woman.

Or perhaps, it was part of the deal Bill cut with Barack over lunch...dump bill of new mexico for SOS and replace with hillary of new york.

When one has to turn in a 70,000 word manuscript, how much does "a" , "the" , "to" ..... etc. count for ?

Are they like proportional ?
Is "the" 25 % of a word ?

I gotta think that "egg tempera" is worth more than "it" and "so".

Morning all...

Good Carton on the link. Thanks Jack....

Now add big corp's that have big finance that made them fat and happy for awhile

I understand now that ge is in the line

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173465

Jack -

I'm getting my barge inflated.

Do you think that Barack was really thinking of Bill Richardson... NO WAY.

Barack is to smart to have someone like that in his inner circle

and the Kerry thing was just to throw the old timers that did not make the inner circle, with the one or two new people, a bone

Barack is keeping his word to bring change and new to Washington

"Main page for this guy

http://www.k-state.edu/audubon/archaeoastronomy/"

GREAT link -- I saved it in my history folder. Thanks.

Ping -
Richardson is going to the DOE.
New Mexico = Energy

anon......ha.......thanks, the beat farmers got nice stuff.....

250 words to a page, right? every so many letters is a word.....averages out.......

dim memory of counting words lost in the mists

What is a "Mrs. Foggybottom"?

Patsi -
I think he's put up more stuff since that was done.

Chaco is one hell of a place, the size of the thing is mind boggling, I've been to lots of ruins, nothing comes close to Chaco.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173454

That should please GORDO... It's his ilk that keep the manchurian chatter going which unhinges the fringes of society.

Why don't you lay off Gordo when he's not here, Tom?

Why don't you lay off me when I'm here or not Champ? It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

enabler!

Anon -- I hate to even broach this, but I do believe that time exists as energy, and the energy of past peoples is happening even as is our own. Several places have left me with the feeling that if I just turn fast enough, I'll catch them.

Craig, time to hire Patsi.

So I'll take Gordo's name out of the discussion, though people like him are, in my opinion, a big part of the problem. A customer was in my gas station two days after Barack Obama won and she was thrilled, like so many around here. She even picked up a special report magazine on the Obama win. Anyway, a friend of mine was standing behind the the counter and she commented on how happy she was. Chris said "yes but I hope he doesn't get assassinated". Now to understand Chris is to understand that he is not really well educated but seems to go along with the topic of the day. The customer runs a holistic health shop, massage oils... herbs and so forth. she said "U mag dat niet zeggen!"

which means "You cannot say that!". I looked at her and at Chris and she explained that too many people repeat this because people are afraid of Obama being assassinated. She then says to Chris, "you must not say these things because it creates the environment for it to happen. The more people repeat fears of threats, or demonize the person, the more it can become a likelihood. I guess she was saying that negativity, no matter how the person means it, contributes to the energy flow around us and such energy is very powerful. Sort of like when journalists go on "feeding frenzies"... their energy partially creates a "reality"... certainly a change in the life flows...

I was glad Chris was told not to say it, though I don't think he understood at all. I cannot tell you how many people came into my shop to say they hoped Obama is not assassinated. I kept reassuring them that security for the POTUS is very strong, much different than in Kennedy's day and we can all share the optimism of this President not only surviving, but excelling... for the USA, for Europe, for the world.

Anon - you seem to be very on the spot with Energy issues. Do you think that such an important matter should be in the lead of Bill Richardson?
I do not know that much about him but I find him to be more of a political hack then a leader of something of this critical importance.

Can you see him and Hillary at the table - good thing Barack will be sitting between

Be honest!
What did you get wrong and right about the election --
I think we can all say --we thought the Democrat would win!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/11/15/8519/7218

Patsi -

There's a scientific explanation for that -

Quantum Mechanics

Makes my head spin every time I try to understand it.

Champ, I didn't mean to snap at you... if you are still around.

and even if you aren't still around, i didn't mean to snap at you :-)

I thought Barack was going to select the best and brightest?

What is happening?

Anon - Factors of e !

Exactly why he is considering Hillary Ping...

Ping -
If I remember correctly Richardson had the DOE job before, and with Obama's commitment to a Greening Energy future, it seems he'll get something along those lines. New Mexico has a boat load of that stuff up and running, plus it's home to a big oil and gas business, and all the big bomb ( nuclear ) labs.

ET - answer a question with a question... Why?

Hillary I have limited argument as with her you get a package - and pillow talk (do you think they still share a bed?)

Barack is not bringing Change and Fresh face.... He is caving in now that he has moved on up.

I didn't answer a question with a question Ping. I pointed out that Hillary is one of the best... and thus the reason she is being seriously considered.

Anon - CORRECT.. !!

Plus is Richardson the one that put Barack in the speaker slot at the 2004 Dem Convention?

Again - I truly do not know that much about him and his knowledge and understanding -- just that he seems to be the ultimate Political player - No idea what common sense and innovation he would bring to the table...

But based on this quick research looks like Barack owes him polyfavor

The news is looking good in Alaska !!!

Now President-elect Obama needs to campaign in Georgia and HOPEFULLY Al Franken will take back Paul Wellstone's Senate seat from my original home state of Minnesota...

Ping -
Plus Obama owes Richardson, he's holding several Obama chits. Richardson's not dumb.

That was John Kerry I believe Ping...

Ahh ET - Got it - I did not see or did see the coma

And agree of the choice', she is the best - and her name will open doors.

Good for Hillary, Maybe good for our country -

Who is Healthcare?

I read that Obama is looking at appointing Tammy Duckworth to an important role, perhaps head of Veteran Affairs? I really like her ! She has fought so hard for the USA and I never have seen her complain or be bitter (and if it were me I'd be both!). I think she has a bright future and I wish her all the best.

X-Rep; I've really enjoyed the Jesus and taxes discussion; Not only have the original gospels likely changed for audiences, but the four gospels themselves are written for different reasons and to different audiences. I happen to like Mark's gospel. It was the first written, the shortest, and just tells the story - bang! And I didn't mean to imply that Jesus was pro-taxes. He made a snide comment about those questioning him... that if they traded in Roman coins, then the Romans had every right to tax them.

OK, thank you. Glad I decided not to submit my retort.

In 2003, Richardson backed and signed legislation creating a permit system for New Mexicans to carry concealed handguns. He applied for and received a concealed weapons permit, though by his own admission he seldom carries a gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson

Patsi----your 9:41 post

Patsi---you just described little of string theory----and a diff dimensions------time is probably the most important science that has been studied since man became aware of it---there is an excellent 4 part series on the science channel.

Healthcare... that would be H.H.S right?

I've read that Tom Daschle is interested and has some health policy background...

heck for that matter who would be Surgeon General? I wouldn't mind a liberal Republican holding this position... Someone who is sensible and fair, who will speak the truth about health and safety and will continue to battle against disease and epidemics.

On this day in history in 1777 the members of the Continental Congress adopted the Articles of Confederation

http://www.reference.com/thisday/index.html?m=11&d=15

Following the Revolutionary War, these were the law of the land until superseded by the Constitution.

Well Champ you are one up on me as I was sorry I did toss back my retort.

X-Rep -
And I'm impressed you know your Renaissance Painting.

Who wants a free computer?

Ah, thanks for bringing that up, Anon, because he doesn't. Far be it from him to let reality get in the way of a good argument, though. That's quite a talent.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173443

ET

You just noticed? KO did nothing but rag on her throughout the whole primary season. If anything he was worse than Matthews (unbelievable I know) simply because of his vocabulary. His "Special Comment" to her was so over the top, atrocious, brutal and unfair in its accusations of racism that several of us wouldn't watch him for quite a while and no longer respect him at all.

Did any of you folks read this? I was quite moved by it.

My wife made me canvass for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.

By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html

"time is probably the most important science that has been studied since man became aware of it---there is an excellent 4 part series on the science channel."

Solar, do you know where I could order it?

Richardson's second book -

Leading by Example: How We Can Inspire an Energy and Security Revolution released October 2007

Review
"In his writing, he clearly demonstrates his knowledge of and familiarity with energy politics." (The Boston Globe, January 6, 2008)

http://www.amazon.com/Leading-Example-Inspire-Security-Revolution/dp/0470186372

Newt for Healthcare -

He is very active and one of the most studied and proressive to understand how to move forward.
He is also working across party lines.

http://www.healthtransformation.net/

Champ -
What media was the Sistine Chapel painted with ?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173472

Anon, It is more along the lines of five letters = one word. Count all the letters and divide by 5 to get the number of words, so he needs 350,000 letters.

May contribution to the project:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

Repeat as needed, take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

May = My

Brain - I am not talking about John Edwards

I am bring up a name of one of the most active people in Innovative Healthcare reform

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173527

Mr Republican---you are half right about jesus---Tyleno------
some good points on jesus.

to unravel the complete riddle of jesus one must know how he and all MESSIAHS came to be---jesus was the person that fitted the needs of the jewish people-at that time---will talk about it later..so not to interrupt the am conversation .l

Champ -
What happened to Da Vinci's great horse ?

I just wanted to mention that it's 40 days until Christmas. I think I will put up decorations tomorrow.. I can't remember anymore when it is custom in the states. I know my Mom does hers early and certainly before Thanksgiving. Here, decorations are not supposed to go up until after "Sinterklaas" which is 6 December. I can't wait that long.. I love the decorations.

I really am a fag, aren't I? :D

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173522

Jamie I figured that KO would be done with that stuff the election at least!

Today - Newt is one of the most active, progressive, innovative, leaders in the advance of Healthcare reform to take us to a futue model that covers all with the most advances - lowering cost and improving quality.

I suggest to all - take a look at the site - and put aside the past for one min - and look at what can be found ....

And many Dems have signed on to join

http://www.healthtransformation.net/

that should have read .. AFTER the election... I really admire his commentary on Prop 8, but his comments on Hillary were not good, I think.

Patse

Patsi---i have them in my tivo that is all locked up---but will try to scratch that I WILL get that info for u,,,and also on string theory ---i know that u will like both of them very much-------but be very aware that once u start down this road u like me will never know what true reality is--------only ----TIME ------will tell,,hahahaha---wringing my hands like a witch and welcoming me next victim :-))

ET -I was in a mall this week in warm florida to hear the christmas music.... I think to early.

Stores are starting now.....

Most homes in our area start after Thanksgiving... We are the weekend after thanksgiving...

Off to chores and ride my bike...

Brain - sorry for the low blow on John Edwards - not for him but for his lovely wife, I hope they have resolved and true forgiveness.

Best to all

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173482

ET

"Foggy Bottom" is one of the oldest districts of Washington DC built on a drained swamp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foggy_Bottom

The miasmic fogs are both natural and used as a reference for the clarity of thought (none) present in the residents.

once last topic for further discussion.

Is this an auto bailout or the UAW bill to the dem party?

How will this help us get to a better energy use future?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122669115342629051.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

Healthcare and Energy?

Now to my bycicle it answers both -

"Doni Tondo". Google that, smart-ass.

Champ -
Now there's your problem, you throw lots of punches , but you got a glass jaw.

This place can give you a severe case of Deja Vu. Right after the primaries we were talking about Clinton as VP, SOS, or Supreme Court. There were a lot of references to "Team of Rivals" then. Once Biden was named as VP and Clinton went on the trail for Obama while saying she had no interest in the Supremes and giving every indication that she would just return to the Senate ("The Bloom where you are planted" remark)
Still she never said no to SOS.

Now we are back to having it all on TV with Doris Kearns Goodwin's book back at number one.

I would love to see Clinton as SOS. She and Biden would work well together while providing a Washington wise duo to advise Obama and free him up to bring in younger, newer people in other jobs.

I suppose Richardson has to get something since he is Hispanic, has expertise in several areas, and Obama owes him big time. The President Elect isn't likely to take my suggestion of dropping him over the side of the Grand Canyon.

Tammy Duckworth has been mentioned both for the VA and replacing Obama in the Illinois Senate seat. Since she is already doing the VA job on the state level, bringing her up to the national level makes sense, particularly since JJ Jr. wants the Senate.

Now to my bycicle it answers both -

Man on a bicycle the most efficient machine ever built.

I'll take it as a sign of respect that you take so much glee in seeing it broken. Go fuck yourself.

IMO we are going to continue having unconscionable gaps in healthcare for tens of millions of families until we have a single payer system. Pogo has said Medicare's administrative system is efficiently effective. I agree. Model a system for all on Medicare.

Jamie, I see no comparison at all between a state-level veterans organization and the DVA. The latter needs an administrator extraordinaire; Duckworth just isn't at that level.

I would be happier seeing her in the Senate than at the VA.

Champ -

Come back tomorrow we'll discuss how Brunelleschi managed the construction of the dome on the Basilica di Santa Maria del Fiore .

Flatus

Several of the models for a new health care system do have a Medicare type component while still using the Insurance companies. From what I've read and with ET's input the best options seem to be rather like Belgium's plan where businesses or individuals can buy in to any of the insurance plans or a government provided alternative and the government negotiates with insurance carriers on behalf of the citizens.

We really need to redo the drug program for seniors. How the Feds could create something that didn't negotiate the prices of drugs for Medicare when they do it for the VA is beyond me. Talk about corporate welfare.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173553

She seems to have the administrative expertise and the VA has a lot of career bureaucrats to assist with the minutia. The big plus would be for vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and seeing one of their own at the top of the food chain.

It would instill confidence since she would have a familiarity with their needs better than someone who hadn't been wounded. or through the system.

Also, she is multi racial with Asian ethnicity. It wouldn't be an "only" reason to hire her, but it helps when you are trying to design a cabinet that looks like America while getting a lot of brains and talent.

But it was recreated

Leonardo's Horse

http://www.leonardoshorse.org/

anon...patsi

you have my attention with Chaco Canyon...it is a most incredible area and although the main sites have been partly excavated, their are many sites on the old dirt roads that remain buried. If it is not raining, many of the arroyos lead to minor sites in the huge ancient communication system. A person could spend a lifetime studying there. There is a documentary about time and Chaco Canyon with Robert Redford as narrator. I may have recorded it at one time.

Speaking of fags & the Renaissance

No fags No Renaissance

Sun Dagger

http://www.rock-art.com/books/sofaer1.htm

Jamie, I don't recall whether you are under Medicare yet, so I'll assume not. Medicare does integrate with private insurers that supplement the basic Medicare coverages. In their 2009 pamphlet 'Medicare & You' there are almost 20 pages of insurers registered as supplemental carriers just for South Carolina. The tables in the Medicare pamphlet detail the coverages, the costs involved, and user ratings of the plans.

The Belgian system seems to be similar to the plan for government employees. The plan can be frightfully expensive for high levels of coverage.

I agree with your appreciation of the Part D Medicare drug benefit.

There was no Mrs. Donatello

Champ- Do you have a free computer ?

My son fixes up old computers and gives them to kids that need them. It is easier with macs , but he canget a pc going too as long as he installs linux. So if anyone has any old computers around please let me know.

The success for America - and the big global ball is not in rearrangement of our current economic failure.

But to advance the technology for both Energy and Healthcare. And our individual behavior !

ENERGY and HEALTHCARE are the two most important sectors - as drivers both individual, society - gov't and corp.

Great to talk about how it is funded but lets put focus on funding a more efficient delivery and use. Now that will make a difference

Anon - Common Ground?

back to chores

Blonde -

The Redford PBS show was really good, my personal belief is that Chanco is tied-up with the Aztec migration . A small splinter group maybe .
The Aztecs appear in central Mexico about the same time as the 4 Corners blossoming , all that is known about them was that "they came from the north."

Anon - Common Ground?

You bet.

One of my favorite Republican talking points has always been the one about having the Government in the room with the Doctor & Patient.
( This is BAD )

But they never mentioned the Insurance guy standing there with his clip board and calculator.

anon...there is a little town called aztec (north of Chaco and close to Farmington)..an area of many religious kivas. It is a wonderful 'corner' of New Mexico. The drive from east of the Zuni res contains many interesting areas. It is starting to get too cold in that area for my taste...best time to visit, IMO, is September. There is a rock formation/wall in Chaco canyon that is filled with bees...when you walk below the huge wall, you can hear the hum of millions of bees. The wall is peppered with tiny holes in the rock face. A very spiritual place indeed.

Champ -
This one's for you :
The Boxer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUCoJJS2DU

Flatus

Yes I'm on Medicare courtesy of disability and see the medical bills with the payments and deductions plus having a monthly fee deducted from the SSI check and paying a copay. It works really well for me because I am in Tacoma which has an excellent Community Health system of participating physicians and an excellent hospital complex if needed without having to go long distances.

chloe, this is the link to the segment that jeff brown did on the economic summit. you'll want to scroll down to the panel of experts for the entire discussion with ferguson.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/g20summit_11-14.html

the prof's epithet lame W duck appeals to my twisted sense of humor. he'd make a good guest for the talking heads... has a certain charisma. imus might even like him.

"I can't wait that long.. I love the decorations.

I really am a fag, aren't I? :D"

Tom....I already haver my Christmas decorations up....does that make me a faggette? :)

Blonde -

I know that country well, but I never stumbled on the bee cliffs.
Another great visit is the Salinas Unit ; The Gran Quivira, and the church at Abó near Mountainair .

http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/salinas.html

April when the walking stick cactus are in bloom.

"---i have them in my tivo that is all locked up---but will try to scratch that I WILL get that info for u,,,and also on string theory"

I don't have tivo....does that make a difference, or can it be transferred. (I don't even know how tivo works...)

Well this post's title is starting to read :

Obama's Leaky Transmission

Patsi -
Watch The Elegant Universe (3 hours)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

anon...I have been there. On the road to Moutainair there used to have a life size strawman in shirt, hat, boots and pants hung by the elbows to a post. Looked pretty lifelike and fooled me the first time I saw it. Really nice two lane highways in this part of the state. So unpopulated.

Imagining Other Dimensions
by Rick Groleau
The Elegant Universe homepage

For most of us, or perhaps all of us, it's impossible to imagine a world consisting of more than three spatial dimensions. Are we correct when we intuit that such a world couldn't exist? Or is it that our brains are simply incapable of imagining additional dimensions—dimensions that may turn out to be as real as other things we can't detect?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/dimensions.html

craig, imho the leak is timed to take advantage of the summit visitors in town. they (the foreign vips) will mutter pro or con about it over coffee and cocktail, the msm will bring it up in interviews with them... much sexier topic than the economy... and all the feedback will be distilled by the transition team.

if hrc does take sos, is it likely that gov paterson will appoint the aa lady that was originally running before hillary got into the ny sen race? heard good things about her.

Thanks for the string theory links...I knew I wasn't crazy when I felt like I could reach out and touch another world.

"...does that make me a faggette? :)"

patsi, that's better than being called an old baguette.

it's sad tho' not to see thanksgiving decorations.... all those dour pilgrims, helpful indians and scared turkeys all over the place. with this recession depression mood however we still have scared turkeys in the form of retailers in the stores.

Blonde -
One more great old church in ruins, and a restored kiva that's really nice Pecos :
http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/pecos.html

When I first entered that kiva, it hit me that they weren't used for what the anthropologists have always claimed. IE the religious stuff. They're boys clubs, they're a place for the guys to hang out, and complain about the women . ( For those who don't know, many of the southwestern pueblos were matriarchies. ) Swap stories, and teach the little kids how to make moccasins.

Patsi -

No Quantum Mechanics / No Magnetic Resonance Imaging

Dave Berry on Book TV -

"Florida , you can't spell it with out 'da' ."

"The latter needs an administrator extraordinaire; Duckworth just isn't at that level."

flatus, what about max cleland? his prior experience with the va and his 14 yrs as ga's sos should make him worthy of consideration. i also prefer duckworth in the senate... course, jesse senior would provide a bit more color excitement-wise (no pun intended).

btw, a grand child denotes grand parents. great grand ones too. congratulations.

The leaks do seem strange after his campaign. I don't see how the Clintons can pass a vetting, especially for SoS.

"I don't see how the Clintons can pass a vetting"

ami, why? they both have high level clearances don't they? they have good contacts and past dealings with foreign heads, she's been on relevant senatorial committees, there are no criminal charges out there. and btw, it's hrc, not wjc, whose name is being floated.

If I was president, I would accidently on purpose 'leak' things all the time, just to see what the public reaction would be. At any time, the Obama camp could say 'oh no, no,no. We were not considering Hillary.' Then someone else could be 'leaked' until the right person for the right situation is mentioned and then they could say 'Oh yes, that's who we were thinking of the whole time.' Manipulation at it's best.

patd- I've heard 'Bill Clinton' more than once this morning from the mouths of the pundints. See above.

Patsi----

Thanks for the string theory links...I knew I wasn't crazy when I felt like I could reach out and touch another world

actually it does,,,especially if you can touch----this and the experiences that u have had,means to me that u are sensitive to time

patsi ---tivo is a recording devise that can record on average about 80 hrs of programing -----it cost about 11-12 bucks per month---i have recorded about 800 hours,,,on all subjects-----you can program it by name of subject that u want to see,,or be name---for example my wife loves elvis movies---so i program it by putting elvis---it will record on its own forever, until i stop it ,,,could be in one hour from when u programed it or six months,,,it never forgets

About the elegant universe it is at least 3 years old--but a very good read and or tape,,,after you watch it u will know that there are unlimited dimensions in time, all fabric of life is vibrations that we touch but cannot see, by altering time we will be able to somewhat,,,,but your first inclination of energy is correct as far as i know,,,a good example is that if u are on a platform waiting for a train to board,,,is the time for u the same time for the ones inside the train,,,no
another is the lights in a saw mill makes a moving saw blade look like its standing still--and off comes off that middle index finger that u like to use:-)this why they use a diff type of lighting system....but over all times is of the most important factor in all that we do and not aware of-------the west could not have been conquered with out the timing of the trains that went back and forth---they would have crashed,,,,but any way u will love watching the series...

Patsi-----i will also dig up some stuff on taped info of cosmology that makes it all come together -------these are the things that i have been talking about when i say the that we are connected to only one universe(yes expanding) one earth etc,etc

JESUS

I have lost many members of my family to religion,,,,this why i have compiles much info as i can,,,,at first to understand what the attraction about religion,,,but now to get them back---or stop from losing more of them--here we go,,, from the beginng as i understand it all, from a diff sources---if you just go by the bible,,it is not enough.

There is a resemblance between cargo cults and early christian beliefs....jesus predicted the down fall of the wicked, justice for the poor, the end of misery and suffering, reunion with the dead, and a whole new divine kingdom,,,,cargo cults are not i repeat the same,,they are very similar in lots of ways ----they can help us to understand the conditions responsible for the origin of our own religious lifestyles?

Jesus was not interested in the overthrow of any specific political system,,,he was above politics---his kingdom being not of this world. when the first christians spoke of battles against the wicked, their swords,fires, and victories--were mere earthbound metaphors for transcendental spiritual events...at least that is what almost everybody believes the original jesus cult was all about.

like i said jesus is all a part of a design--it seems impossible that a lifestyle, so devoted to peace, love,and selflessness , could have been in any fundamental sense a product of definite material conditions......yet like said this riddle like all others has a solution, in the practical affairs of peoples and natiions.----2 riddles need to be considered,,,,christianity first came about (arose) first among jews living in palestine,,,,,,a belief in the coming of a savior called a messiah-----a god who would look like a man----was an important feature of judaism at the time of christ,,,,,the followers of jesus were jews(almost all) believed that jesus was this savior-----
christ---is derived from Krystos,,,which was the way jews referred to their hoped-for savior when speaking Greek..

the basis of the jewish belief in a messiah,,,,is that all ancient people believed that battles could not be won without divine assistance,,to win an empire, or just to survive as an independent state,,they needed warriors with whom ancestors, angles, or gods were willing to cooperate,,,,,,,,DAVID---- the founder of the first jewish empire------more to come

aha! eureka! the geeks have saved the day re thread's theme: "leaky abstractions" as in the law that all non-trivial abstractions, to some degree, are leaky.

"From the perspective of Spolsky's Law of Leaky Abstractions, all non-trivial abstractions resist complete implementation by their very nature. Consequently, implementation details will always leak through, regardless of how well-conceived, and no matter how rigorously they attempt to faithfully represent the abstraction. Sometimes the leaks are minor, other times they are significant, but they will always be present, because there is no such thing as a perfect implementation of an abstraction.

In this context, the term isn't a misnomer, since it applies to all implementations of all abstractions.

It is most likely this notion Spolsky intended to convey by expressing the viewpoint as a "law" and attributing the "leakiness" to abstractions, rather than to imprecise implementations." [wiki]

now if that doesn't fit this recent leak phenom from our new obama nation, nothing does.

solar
your being very philosophical today
deep' very deep
my brain hurts

well, folks, time to start gathering some words in for craig's daily quota.

my contribution today:

phantasmagoric.

Solar: You need to tell me a good joke. One of my chinchillas died in my arms yesterday, and I'm pretty sad. Your jokes always make me smile.

"patsi, that's better than being called an old baguette."

patd -- ROFL -- you made my day with that one!

Posted by: patd | November 15, 2008 1:16 PM

Pat, I don't think veterans, as a group, were enthralled with Cleland.

It's nice if they have someone who's served; it's even nicer if the person is competent. Having someone who is profoundly disabled tends to place the focus on that individual's disability rather than the VA mission.

Regrettable as each Iraq/Afghanistan injury is, and how it affects the vet and the vet's family, the public and the director must realize that those vets are a relatively small subset of disabled veterans--many of whom are being under treated.

The president must be the cheerleader for disabled veterans; the director must be the administrator extraordinaire.

Thanks for the congrats, Pat.

Rosie -- very sorry about the chinchilla. I have a link for you to check out -- it may make you feel better. In case you aren't familiar with him, Kinky Friedman is a singer/songwriter, turned mystery novelist. He ran for Gov. of Texas last election cycle.

http://www.utopiarescue.com/epilogue.htm

Jesus--continued

Davis claimed to be in divine partnership with the jewish god Yahweh,,,a term that also applies to priest, shields, davids predecessor saul, and david's son solomon,,,so messiah originally meant any person or thing possessing great holiness and sacred power,,,david was also called the anointed one---the one, who by collaboration with jahweh,,was entitled to rule over jahwehs earthly domains(jesus was used for this purpose---but if he was born from a virgin--how was he related to david?? his father joseph had the blood line,,but)---the name david meaning great commander was given to him to celebrate his rise to power---victories on the battlefield was the inspiration ---the life plan for the ideal jewish military messianic career.....he was born in BETHLEHEM??--his real name was Elhanan ben JESSE??--,,he was the outlaw leader of a guerrilla monement in the judean desert (possibly the first terrorist??) he located his headquarters in a cave and achieved his victories against seemingly great odds---the fight against Goliath---could they have jesus in mind for something similar?--cos the jewish priests insisted down to the time of jesus that jahweh had made a covenant with david,,,jahewh had promised david that his dynasty would never end,,,,a big lie Nebuchadnezzar captured jerusalem in 586 b.c. and deported large numbers of jews to babylonia,,, afterwards the jewish state resumed a precarious existence as the dependent client of one or another imperial power--u see there is a need for a non peaceful jesus---the jews want it all back------what jahweh told moses----was that the jewish people would rule over nations but none would rule over them,,,,yet jahwehs promised land was an unlikely spot from which to launch the conquest of the world---for one thing it was a military thruway--the main corridor along which all the imperial armies of asia, africa and europe chased each other to and from egypt..nothing in palestine could take root,,,it was stamped out by some million-footed monster of any army passing in one direction or the other,..egytiansAssyrians, babylonians, persians greeks and romans whent back and forth,,,,,,,,These experiences placed a considerable strain on the credibility of jahwehs sacred books and his remnant priesthood ( you bet the need a jesus by now huh--but one that will fight and give them what is theres by divine right)

Why had jahweh permitted so many nations to become great while his chosen people were repeatedly conquered and enslaved(sounds like the bible? with no bs?) this was the great mystery that the jewish holy men and prophets kept trying to dcipher-----jahweh would send another (jesus) military prince like david,,messiah, anointed one, to destroy the enemy nations,,,and so the old testment teem with the promises of redemptive prophets---isaiah, heremiah,ezekiel,micah,zechariah, and others---allurging or sanctioning the adoption of a military- messianic lifestyle-----more to come

thank you (sniffle)

Ok ill stop for now

Rosie--im so sorry----hope this helps

Louisiana
A senior at LSU was overheard saying... 'When the end of the world comes,
I hope to be in Louisiana .' When asked why, he replied he'd rather be in
Louisiana because everything happens in Louisiana 20 years later than in
the rest of the civilized world.

Rosie--one more----i wll give u a real good one later---

A Plane is about to crash. There are 5 passengers on board, but there are only 4 parachutes.
The first passenger says: "I'm Ronaldo, the best football player in the world. The football world needs me, and I can not die on my fans."
He grabs the first parachute and jumps out off the plane.
The second passenger, Hillary Clinton says: "I'm the wife of former President of USA; I'm the senator of New York and I have a good chance of being President of the USA in future."
She grabs a parachute and jumps out off the plane.
The third passenger, George W. Bush, says: "I'm the president of USA. I have a huge responsibilities in the world. Besides, I am the smartest president in the history of my county and can't shun the responsibility to my people by dying."
He grabs a pack and jumps out off the plane.
The fourth passenger, The Pope, says to the fifth passenger, a young school boy:" I am old. I have lived my life as a good person as a priest should and so I shall leave the last parachute to you; you have the rest of your life ahead of you."
To this the little boy says: "Don't fret old man......

There is a parachute for both of us.
The smartest president of America took my school bag........."

the other day me and the wife were out in the back yard
cooking ''i'm drinking a few beers' she's tending the food ' off the top of my head i said 'babe 'your ass
is getting bout wide as that grill' she didn't say anything
just keep on doing what she was doing' i forgot all about it' later that night in bed i'm feeling a little frisky
go to put the moves on her '' she slaps my hand and
says why you must be crazy'' i said what are you talking about sweetheart' she says well you must be crazy if you you think i'm going to fire up this big ass grill for one little ole wieney. 'ouch'
moral of the story think before you speak

that was just a joke for rose
i'm not even married'' anymore

mqw---n ow i know who to thank for that joke---i told it at a bbq here in my back yard with some friends ---i inserted my wifes name-----they laughed their asses off--my wife did too she is use to me and did not get mad ---she did get even later that night though---true story---she laughed last and hardest Ha

Yesterday, Stinky and I went to Krogers. There was a chilled display case with strawberries not too far from the entrance. She looked in it and found a dying sparrow.

I called one of the employees who grabbed it and took it wherever. Said it happens all the time--birds flying in from outside. Didn't make us feel better.

And, Rosie, if you're reading this, that sadness on its small scale helps me understand how badly you're feeling now. You have my condolences.

Thanks, guys and girls, you've made me smile. Now I have one for you.
An airplane is gong down and there are only a few parachutes. The brave Englshman steps up to the door of the plane, yells 'God save the queen!' and leaps to his death. A Frenchman steps up to the door, yells'Vive la Franch' and leaps out of the plane. A texan steps up to the door and yells 'Remember the Alamo!" and he throws out the Mexican.

Flatus mentioned the Belgian Healthcare system... Ironically I just found this news item on VRT Nieuws

Thu 13/11/08 18:19 - The Belgian healthcare system is in 12th place according to an annual European ranking by the Swedish research institute Health Consumer Powerhouse.
No country in Europe organises its healthcare better than the Dutch do according to the European study by Swedish research institute Health Consumer Powerhouse.

The annual study compares the level of healthcare from the point of view of the patient. Patients in the Netherlands have to wait longer for treatment than in Belgium but for everything else the Netherlands scores better: patients have more rights, doctors book better results.

Belgium was 10th on the list last year, this year we are 12th. According to the study Belgium has too much trouble with hospital bacteria infection. Further, the incidence of diabetes is too high as is the suicide rate.

Health Consumer Powerhouse has been making the ranking for the last four years. Experts from the institute think that Belgium could score better, but no information about Belgian healthcare has been forthcoming from the authorities in the last years.

I don't want to bring up any bad memories for Patsi. But it's hard to watch something die. Talk about feeling helpless when there is nothing you can do.

Rosie--ha ha---gonna change that around a little to a mexican priest when i tell that one to my bro,,,

life''ll kill you

the late warren zevon

Rosie-----i won't talk for Patsi---but when we talked about our loved ones,,,it was not sad,,it was sharing what we felt in a metaphysical kind of way---about my sister, my friend and her sister,,,,,that they are energy that goes back into the cosmos.

Rosie -- hope you aren't worried about my mother's death. As I said, she went exactly as she would have wanted. Quickly, painlessly, and having never spent a day of her 83 years as an invalid. Being there with her when she in effect, transformed, was actually very reassuring.

And Rosie, ten years earlier, my dad had put death in perspective. Sitting in bed wearing pajamas, his cowboy hat and boots, smoking a cigar, he said to me, "Don't make an ass of yourself at my funeral, because being old has started to piss me off."

I wish that I had faith like that, but I'm a true atheist that dosent believe in souls or spirits or anything. It makes it extra sad for me when someone dies, but it makes me extra determined to do good while I'm here. I live by the starfish philosophy.
One evening, an old man was walking down the beach, and he noticed that there where hundreds of starfish stranded on the beach by the tide, being left to certain death on the dry sand. The old man also noticed that farther down the beach, was a young man who was doing at first what appeared to be a strange dance. As the old man got closer, he saw that what the young man was actually doing was bending down, scooping up a stranded star fish and then throwing it with all his might out into the lifegiving waters of the ocean. The old man watched him for a while, until he couldn't stand it any long.
"Boy," the old man said," why are you wasting your time and energy? Look around you. There are literally hundreds and thousands of these starfish stranded on the beach. You'll never get them all. You'll never even get a fraction of them. You'll never be able to save enough of all of these starfish to make a difference." The young man just smiled as he picked up another starfish, and as he threw it into the ocean, he replied,"It makes a defference to this one."

Sea -- I am absolutely making myself sick on your chocolate covered cherries, peanut butter fudge and almond butter crunch. I haven't even started on the peppermint treats or turtles yet. Maybe for breakfast.

Rosie ---great story

Dang it! I missed Craig! :(

Yes -- wonderful story, Rosie....

Patsi- So glad you got it already! I didn't think it would get to you until Monday. Tickled that you are enjoying it. Had put a few boxes in for you to give as gifts- by the sounds of it, that chocolate isn't going anywhere!

Rosiecat- Have you never seen a ghost?

"Had put a few boxes in for you to give as gifts- by the sounds of it, that chocolate isn't going anywhere!"

I have to go to an open house on Tuesday....I'll make a plate of what's left -- ha!

No ma'am. The closest I ever came was one night I kept seeing a tall glowing figure out of the corner of my eye. Everytime I tried to look at it directly, it would dissapear, and then reappear when I turned my head back. I finally figured out that it was the light reflecting off of one of my grey hairs. I would never tell anyone that they didn't see or hear something. But I will say we don't always see what we think we are seeing.

Sea - Patsi has just proved to me that I shouldn't order till closer to gift-giving time. I think I gained 10 pounds just imagining what Patsi was eating.

I'm on Medicare, too, because of my age. Along with my Secure Horizons I seem to be doing fine, altho I don't have any medial problems (knock wood) except for asthma so no big bills.

I don't know if KGC has run into this yet, but we are losing docs pretty steadily here. Medicare considers this area to be rural and pays accordingly. One long-time ob/gyn has left and the group mine belonged to has broken up. My gp's office just joined Sutter.
Santa Rosa population is about 130,000 now and there are many many surrounding towns and cities with smaller populations. This used to be a good medical city but....So Medicare does have something it could do better.

RE: Hillary and sos . I'm thinking she won't get it, and if so, what a mess. If it's Richardson, the team is full of idiots. All the talk re vp and nothing, and then all the
talk re sos, and nothing and then to br - wow! nothing like pouring fuel on the fire. That would bring his judgement into question - how to anger fence-sitters even more! I'm betting Richardson wants it and will fight for it.

I say again - KO is unstable, really unstable.

" finally figured out that it was the light reflecting off of one of my grey hairs. I would never tell anyone that they didn't see or hear something. But I will say we don't always see what we think we are seeing."

I've had that same experience too, Rosie. About the hair reflections....or a stray piece of hair that seemed like it might be something moving off to the side. But one early morning when I was sitting out on my back patio (maybe ten years ago) I did see something, and I realized that it was very possible that this whole idea of different time planes could be on target.

now that the elections are over 'all the political pundits
are frantic to remain in the spotlight' as they have deemed themselves important players in the process
now they're just making stuff up''no wait they've been
doing that for a year now '' never mind

Rosiecat- if you ever see them straight on it might change your mind!
Bethyboo- Good thinking! As for Hillary as SOS, I'll be surprised if she ends up with it too.

My problem with that , however, is that it seems that we would have definite proof by now. Something that we could point to and say 'see, I told ya so
Same with esp and what-not, too. If it was real, then someone would be able to stand up and do something. I used to sell tarot readings at our local flea market, and there was nothing anymore supernatural than I am extra good at reading People (hence, my good tips and my day job is workng with mentally and physically disable). But there is no solid, empirical proof. I do enjoy watching Ghost Hunters, though, Jason and Grant are HOT.

Yeah, Rosie -- I understand. I have no idea what is possible in the universe. I have a few small examples, but I certainly don't have "the sight" so will stumble along wondering....:)

i yam wot I yam and that's all wot I yam.

----Popeye

Rosie----Patsi ---i know this will give u a belly laugh

Two Texans were out on the range talking about their favorite sex positions.
One said, "I think I enjoy the rodeo position the best."

" I don't think I've heard about that one." said the other cowboy. What is it?

" Well it's where you get your wife down on all fours and mount her from behind. Then you reach around and cup each one of her breasts in your hands and whisper in her ear "Boy these feel just like your sisters"

"Then you try and stay on for 8 seconds."

Some things 'feel' majickcal. There are times when I'm in the woods that it almost feels like if I look hard enough, I''ll see little fairy faces looking back. If I did, though, I'm sure I'd just convence myself it was just a simulacrum, and and somewhere a fairy would die in a poof of logic.

LOL- You are soooo bad :)

I was walking on the rr tracks in Fairfax alabama in the early fifties......there was nothing there but the towel factories.........and heat......................my cousins had slingshots the size of 50 mm howitzers.........no one was saife.......

sent the wrong one sorry --

OOO-Patsi, do you know what a 'tulpa' is?

I keep forgetting owl news.

The next morning they said the owl was doing great and seemed fine. They gave it a mouse and it ate half of it and would probably eat the other half later. I don't know if they gave it a name.

They expected to release her later that day, but I don't know for sure if they did. She sure picked the right chimney to fall down.

I always wonder what these critters think of or remember of their short meetings with us - do they recognize good will? They can't bond with us so quickly but I wonder if they feel any less fear at all? I don't particularly want them to feel less fear cuz that's dangerous for them, but I do wonder what , if anything, they retain of the paths crossing.

Donna Braqzile seems to be hosting her own little segment on cnn.

Rosiecat- they're there I've seen them as a child in Ireland. Not to be messed with though!

"How classy. "

This from someone who thought calling Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter a tramp was a political statement.

Bill is going to go down south and campaign against
Chambliss......oops, sorry....for Martin. HA!

The fairies or the tulpa. There is an excellent book called 'Three men in Search of Monsters' about these three guys that go around to different places in Britian to research and investigate reports of monsters. They never find any, but they meet a wonderful and eclectic bunch of people and have a few weird experiances. It's a good read.

This Obama Hillary SOS thing reminds me of the Reagan Ford vp thing in1980. The world would be a different place if that Reagan Ford deal would have been cut.

A tulpa is somethng that is created by a person. Supposedly, if you believe enough in somethng. you yourself will bring it into reality by simple belief. Therefore, fairies don't exist, but a tulpa that looks and acts as a fairy. Ghosts don't exist, tulpa's that look and act as ghosts exist. It's a neat concept.

"I always wonder what these critters think of or remember of their short meetings with us - do they recognize good will?"

I know my dog George recognized the good will in me when first we ran into each other out in the country.

Don't know about other animals....

"I never called anyone a tramp, get facts straight hag. "

The funny (I guess) thing about it is that you don't "get" any of it. You are too far removed.

so.....what;s the latest on socrates and euripides?

God, it's driving me cwazy with da expense........

--elmer Fuddth

Drop the hag part- she doesn't use words like that for you, and there are many

Euripides trousers, you mend-a des trousers.

Old sea.......you can teach a hog to smoke a cigarette.....it might take a little time.......but what's time to a hog??

--roger miller

way I hoid it was euripides pants, eumenides pants.....

Sturge- a wise man

wo.....just discovered a word for craig.........Suckonomics

Euripides trousers, you mend-a des trousers.

OOPS! Sorry for the dbl post, especially becasue it was WRONG!

I'd hire Jerry della Femina to discern the appeal of "Euripides pants, Eumenides Pants" vs
"Euripedes trousers, you mend-a-des trousers"....I'm certain I would win the deliberation and award.

"A tulpa is somethng that is created by a person. Supposedly, if you believe enough in somethng. you yourself will bring it into reality by simple belief. Therefore, fairies don't exist, but a tulpa that looks and acts as a fairy. Ghosts don't exist, tulpa's that look and act as ghosts exist. It's a neat concept."

I didn't know what it was, Rosie -- Googled it and find the concept fascinating!

Patsi-yeah, it's reallly neat.
sturg-I'm SO happy you could one-up me.

sturge -- have I told you that Roger Miller records are my granddaughter's favorites? She especially loves You Can't Rollerskate in a Buffalo Herd. Oh, also Dang Me and England Swings.

"I always wonder what these critters think of or remember of their short meetings with us - do they recognize good will? They can't bond with us so quickly but I wonder if they feel any less fear at all?"

Bethy, I doubt that your owl remembers anything. Or, if she does, it will be fear and confusion.

I'm as kind to little critters as most anyone. I feed them, talk with them, puzzle over them, and marvel at them. So, when I erected a scarecrow in our garden outfitted with one of my work shirts and outdoor hats, I was curious as to what 'my' birds reaction would be.

Not one single bird has gone into the garden since the scarecrow was installed. So much for good will. Or, maybe they just understand what I'm trying to do and are playing along with me. That must be it.

rosie.......graffitti is as graffitti does

had to let you guys know what a kick i've gotten out of your suggested words to meet the word count. and i'm trying to work them in, our own secret word game. it keeps me amused during this ordeal

back to work

dis is deep south as in corn bread.......eye of round roast, rice and groovey, broccoli cassaroshamus...and by god whipped cream, cherry pie and karsemaassicus.......it's a crozy woilds.......

Eumenides ! Dam, what a frightful penalty for rippin' pants.

I just turned off the Gopher game. Yech. We don' need no stinkin' badgers. We can lose all by ourselves.

Patsi ---don't take the nibble

When I live in the woods, I dug a garden. A rose breasted grosbeak used to follow on my heals and nab every grub I turned up. Oddly, it had no fear of me.

We had barred owls, too, and they hunt in the afternoon. When guests came, I'd make squeaking noises by sucking the back of my hand and the owls would come to me out of the woods. It really freaked people out.

Ghosts, on the other claw, never dared to appear around me. I guess American ghosts are more timid than the Irish variety.

We're having problem with wolves up here now, because the wolf packs that live on the outskirts of town and the two packs that live on Elmindorf are no longer afraid of people and they will just walk up and literally snatch up small dogs when people are out walking them. There was a really disturbing photo int the paper not to long ago of a wolf walking down the street with a pug in his mouth that he'd just snatched. Luckily, the wolf drop it after several people surrounded it. The city is wondering if they just need to go ahead and kill off the non-fearful wolves and just start over again.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173546

http://www.rr.com/view/content/story.cfm?storyId=6217315&newsgroup=9000&view=HOME

Ping
This story might interest you?I love the UAW and I'm a proud Local 598 member! I don't see how an automaker bailout- loan can be looked at like repayment for supporting the Dem's, we always support them.If anything its good for the USA to keep these jobs.I didn't here many screams from Bush or the Republicans when they gave away the Treasury to the Banks and Wall Street.Can we spare a dime for lunch bucket workers? Unionism is all but gone in this country,can we say were better off?????

"had to let you guys know what a kick i've gotten out of your suggested words to meet the word count. and i'm trying to work them in, our own secret word game. it keeps me amused during this ordeal"

Well, Craig...I haven't entered the word game yet. But since you brought it up and you are writing about political journalism. Let me add this one when describing the messages of "some" in the business. (The ones who are the anti-Helen Thomases...)

folderol

Good night. Time to sign off.

Add Citi to that list of biz with big layoffs someone posted the other day. So much for happy holidays.

Citigroup plans to shed about 10 percent of its global workforce (23,000+), a person familiar with the matter said Friday, as it tries to restore profit and quiet mounting criticism of Chief Executive Vikram Pandit.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27737329

Craig,

Ensynopticity : Taking a general overview of a subject.

So Rosie -
The last woman I slept with taught me about chinchillas. She lived on the Rancho Palos Verde's, and she made dolls. A big blue Macaw named "Maverick".

Chinchillas are wonderful, when they take a bath, they take a bath. It is impossible to be sad and watch a chinchilla take a bath.

Patsi's word 'folderol' sent me to the thesaurus. Found a magnificent synonym:

Codswallop

RE;
Lou Dobbs -

I caught a rerun of Lou Dobbs tonight. He made the mistake of having Ted Turner on. Ted's humpin' a book. Lou had to book Ted. Ted peeled Lou's ass on Leno, the other night. I'll bring back the clip. This is Jon Stewart on Crossfire folks.
Ted endorsed the Pickens Plan on Lou Dobbs. Think about that, this guy was married to "Hanoi Jane", and he endorsed T. Boone Picken's way forward on energy.

That's like having a black president people.

I'll go get that clip, it's must see video.

Patd -
You coined a word today ....... it was sweet.

excerpt , The Nation, Jeremy Scahill's take on why Blackwater must be banned from Iraq, and why Obama must not listen to John Kerry and just tell Blackwater to "start obeying rules..."

"... Senator John Kerry, who is reportedly among the people being considered for Secretary of State in the Obama administration, shares the president-elect's view. "I don't think they should be banned," says Kerry. "I think they need to operate under rules that apply to the military and everybody else."

As of January 20, 2009, if Obama decides to keep Blackwater and other armed war corporations on the US payroll, these private forces would go from being Bush's mercenaries in Iraq to Obama's. As commander in chief, he would be responsible for their crimes. As for the accountability issue, many critics allege that the most serious problems in holding contractors responsible for their crimes stem from the Bush administration's covering-up of their misconduct and immunizing them from prosecution, and the total lack of political will to bring them to justice. When Obama appoints a new attorney general, there will be more than five years' worth of crimes to investigate--and prosecute. "

Dexter J -
I'm gonna need some links for that one son.

Sorry it all bleeds together now, it was Letterman, not Leno.

Ted Turner: "You Ever Watch Lou Dobbs? It's Not Funny is It?"

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/ted_turner_you_ever_watch_lou_dobbs_its_not_funny_is_it_100295.asp

11/11/08 Ted Turner on Lou Dobbs -
9:50 of Ted with Lou.

At 1:55 in he endorses Pickens.

Hell missed the paste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydjhwfLuPUk

More words toward the goal of 70,000 -

Interstate Highway System

Shenanigans goes well with folderol..

KTLA -

Live Breaking News & Video out of Southern California -

http://www.ktla.com/

It was 89 degrees at the Civic Center in L.A. today the humidity was 5%.

http://ktla.trb.com/extras/ktla/myweather/ktla-myweather-downtown.html

KNX News Radio -
"The Big Ten Seventy out of Southern California"

http://www.knx1070.com/

And by the way dear Brain, I'm not assuming anything, your vile remarks are all a matter of record. You aren't worth the time to find them though.

What began as a small fire off the 91 Freeway has now burned at least 300 homes

KNX on the 91 freeway .
Nothing like the voices out of Southern California coming from KNX on a big story. Nobody does the news like KNX.

Saturday in SoCal -

Sayre Fire (Sylmar)
- More than 6500 acres burning.
- Four injuries
- 10,000 residents evacuated
- State of Emergency Declared
- Citywide power conservation alert has been called because of damaged power lines.
- Erratic winds gusting to over 50mph.
- Began 10:30PM Friday 11/14/08
- 1000 homes threatened, more than 500 destroyed.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=106212521568035882004.00045bb7819236c3696ea&t=h&ll=33.872696,-117.6931&spn=0.199537,0.33989&z=11&source=embed

800 homes and apartments burned today in 4 fires .

PARIS — U.S. actress Lindsay Lohan has been pelted with a flour bomb on arrival at a Paris nightclub wearing a fur stole.

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Cake for everyone !!!!

ok, you guys, i saw some dirty words in today's thread, God luv ya. but you should know i'm especially squeamesh about the f-bomb when directed at others. i really dislike such language, but never censor. please refrain.

i just can't understand why you can't debate one another with some respect for opposing views. the internet is full of places where you can insult one another with vulgar language. can't we please make this an insult-free zone?

Craig,

I want to thank you for adopting my idea and using the whole alphabet.

Solar --

I've always thought it was interesting that Jesus was born in Palestine, and was of 'questionable parentage.' He did not resemble any messiah that anyone was waiting for. Peter, particularly, was rather miffed that JUST at the moment he (Peter) and the others were ready to follow Jesus anywhere (and do battle for and with him) Jesus told them that it wasn't that kind of fight. I love all the written accounts of conversations between Jesus and Peter. Most of the time, Peter just didn't get it, but that's ok, cos I think if I had been there, I probably wouldn't have "gotten it" either.

When one reads the bible, it's always good to have other faith books nearby, particularly Babylonian history. The stories are almost identical -- as well as the beginning of the Koran, (Children of Abraham -- the Abraham and Isaac story is in there -- except Isaac is swapped for Ishmail.) During my Old Testament assignments, I was forever going off on tangents, great for the curious mind -- not so good when your professor just wants ya to answer the damn question! haha

"It is more along the lines of five letters = one word. Count all the letters and divide by 5 to get the number of words, so he needs 350,000 letters."

Jamie, I dunno, but it sounds like a hassle.

Glad my writing days are over.

Oops, I'm writing.

I must STOP that.

tt

And Rosie, ten years earlier, my dad had put death in perspective. Sitting in bed wearing pajamas, his cowboy hat and boots, smoking a cigar, he said to me, "Don't make an ass of yourself at my funeral, because being old has started to piss me off."

Posted by: Patsi | November 15, 2008 4:15 PM

OMG that is priceless !!! I see at least where some of your character comes from Patsi. You Dad sounds like he was awesome.

Craig, thank you. I have just visited the blog after a night's sleep and it got very ugly again. :-(

Damn, I guess all hell has broken out on the list. At least you can't blame it on me! lol

It looks like the wrecking crew is done for the night.

So much for thinking that decorum would return once the election was over. But then again, why would we expect established personal traits and behaviors to change based upon an external event. I would no sooner expect a leopard to change its spots.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173723

And others a sharp blow to the head.

WaPo: Five Myths About the Election

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/13/AR2008111303287.html?sid=ST2008111403251&s_pos=

our ecumenical sermon for the day from sayings of the jewish buddha:

Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the least of your problems.

Be here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated?

Drink tea and nourish life; with the first sip, joy; with the second sip, satisfaction; with the third sip, peace; with the fourth, a Danish.


The Torah says, Love your neighbor as yourself.
The Buddha says, There is no self.
So, maybe we're off the hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OETwbVBPI1U

democracy

words for the day:

facetious speciousness

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173733

Patsi,
I'm so glad you linked that Five Myths About the Election. It validated (in my mind) so many of the things about the election that I already thought. Not the least, it's take (by some Republicans) that "John McCain as president would have amounted to applying a Band-Aid to a gaping wound". That made me think again that Republicans weren't all that excited by the idea of taking over the mess left behind by Bush. (Whether it's true or not, I still have this nagging suspcion that this election was pre-determined before the process even occurred.)

I also found this interesting: "The fact that roughly a third of the Democratic House majority sits in seats with Republican underpinnings (at least at the presidential level) is almost certain to keep a liberal dream agenda from moving through Congress. The first rule of politics is survival, and if these new arrivals to Washington want to stick around, they are likely to build centrist voting records between now and 2010. "

And last, but not least, I was glad that the writer pointed out that Palin did not hurt McCain, but indeed helped him by rallying conservatives behind him.

He said it all, when he said he doubted any Republican candidate could have won the presidency this year.

"The Torah says, Love your neighbor as yourself.
The Buddha says, There is no self."

I don't know Pat,
I agree with Torah, which simply tell's me to be nice (and maybe even points out that what comes around goes around).

But to Buddah I'd say, Self is all there is.

Thanks for all the words of wisdom this morning. :)

"what comes around goes around"

What goes around comes around.

I always flub things up. Maybe I'm related to Bush. (yuk, what a terrible thought).

Yes, Chloe -- I liked that WaPo article as well. And I agree that it would have been nearly impossible for any Republican to win. But the main thing is that we are underestimating the "face" of so amny of the newly and recently elected Democrats. They are certainly not on the left side of the spectrum. Many are anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. It needs more analysis, state by state, to see where exactly the party is moving.

"Many are anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. "

Yes Patsi, but Society has move forward on these issues. So we can only hope (or insist) that elected officials represent what's happening in society. The anti-people seem to always be the one's who always yell the loudest and the longest.. And they're so organized, maybe because Religion is so organized. But (as Solar would point out :)) churches cannot run our country.

"what comes around goes around"

What goes around comes around.

Hey Chloe

6 of one, half dozen of the other.

No more lazying around for me,
The wife is saying "get dressed you lazy bum"

I'll sneak back later when she isn't looking.

Jack

I agree about moving forward on some things. I do think where women are concerned, we have taken several steps backward recently.

"what comes around goes around"

What goes around comes around.

Hey Chloe

6 of one, half dozen of the other.

not really, as "goes around comes around" means what you send out will come back to haunt yas, while "comes around goes around" means you send back out whatever comes at ya.......

my uncle used to say "six of one dozen and half of another....." lol

"The wife is saying "get dressed you lazy bum"

Ha Jack, What a coincidence. That's what I just told my hubby. :)

Patsi, I don't think we have taken steps backward as much as we've been exposed to more than our share of the worst offenders, due to this election. The awareness, created by this election, is going to help us continue in the right direction.

It's like everything else, women aren't going to be treated equally, until they demand to be treated equally. That same rule goes for the equal rights that everyone needs to demand. Let it be known that nothing less will be accepted.

by Sojourner Truth
Delivered 1851 at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio

Well, children, where there is so much racket there must be something out of kilter. I think that 'twixt the negroes of the South and the women at the North, all talking about rights, the white men will be in a fix pretty soon. But what's all this here talking about?
That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?

Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?

Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.

If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.

Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say.

Good morning all and thank you Sturge for that post.

"If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them."

Sturge, Beautiful!
Now I need to feed all my hungry critters. They're complaining. :)

Rez
Re: Prop 8
The initiatives in Cal are often deliberately worded to be confusing. In the case of prop 8 - the Jerry Brown (attorney general) had been to court to change the original wording. It was pretty clear if you were paying attention but even with the advantages of the voters handbook, I think most voters pay attention to the initiatives the day they vote and may have some confusion.

Bethy
I am a Kaiser member so less of an issue with the docs leaving. However the rural/urban payment issue is one of the beefs I have with Woolsey. When asked about this issue 4-5 years ago -Woolsey basically threw up her hands and said there is nothing I can do. However, members of Congress such as Peter DeFazio came up with creative idea to address the imbalance.
Woolsey is a reliable vote for progressive issues but not much of leader for the district.

Great Post Sir Fish

great commentary from David Corn:

The Newest GOP Myth: We've Drifted from Our Principles
By David Corn | November 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Permalink | Comments (19)

In the aftermath of a decisive defeat, Republicans and conservatives are nursing their wounds and wondering what went wrong. Many have come up with an easy answer: the GOP has drifted from its core principles; consequently, the voters have handed it the pink slip.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/davidcorn/2008/11/the-newest-gop-myth-weve-drifted-from-our-principles.html

John Dingell HAS to be REMOVED as the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee! Contact your Congressional Rep to demand that it goes to Waxman. Dingell is the industry's lapdog and he has opposed any meaningful changes in how Detroit makes cars. Face it, American car makers have had their heads in the ground, total denial of the environmental and energy issues at hand. Dingell is LITERALLY MARRIED TO GENERAL MOTORS. He must be stopped !

A Power Duo, Dingells Battle on Two Fronts

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/washington/16dingells.html?hp

Tom -- interesting aside, re John Dingell's wife, a VP of GM:

Debbie Dingell is the grand-daughter of the Fisher brothers, the founders of General Motors.

Tom -- You'll love this slogan on some signs at theBoston gar marriage rally:

"Irony: Polygamists Supporting Traditional Marriage"

correction: gay marriage....

Hi Patsi... yeah I read about Debbie Dingell... It is no surprise that John Dingell was so against the Dems' work to require higher fuel efficiency autos. He has to be replaced!

LOL on the polygamists... gotta love to Mormons

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173745

Sturge

It is all a big wheel of chaos, any belief that you can influence it is mere illusion.
In other words the cat is in the box and there is nothing you can do about it except to buy Schrodinger a drink.

Don't buy the cat one. He has had enough and needs to sleep it off.

http://brneurosci.org/schrodingers-cat.html

Jack

For those who enjoyed the speech Mr. Fish posted, there is a wonderful site on the web dedicated to Sojourner Truth

http://www.sojournertruth.org/

Craig,

My contribution to the 70,000 words reflects the tone yesterday. There must be someplace you can work in:

RANKLE

my new name for a coffee at Starbucks...La tee Dah.

Morn'n all

My head just exploded !

Seeing Barney Fife Frank on TV when I turned it on being interviewed about the next cure for the UAW and Detroit KNOWING THAT HE IS A CENTRAL FIGURE IN THE HOUSING CRISIS

We are DOOOOMMMMEEEEDEDDD

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173753

ET - If he is married to GM then agree - And we must also not be controlled by the UAW.

There is going to be pain. Get it done with by setting the direction of the future -
Do not make this a social program - make it an innovation program

HRC as SoS, Kissinger approves.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aObO52AWlD9k&refer=home

Jack

"make it an innovation program"

lol

That is the final proof needed, we are all socialists

Jack

agreed on innovation, but am also for worker protections as part of the innovation....

Sturg --thank you for your 8:57 am post---im going to give to the females in my family---wonderful

Jack---read that shordinger cat link---great

Chloe---you not only get my scribbling,,but it looks like u know a little of what is inside of my cabesa (head) it think that u would like the info below for patsi

Patsi-----

----the science channel
i finally found the series on time---4 parts---take a look and see if you would like them---then ill see how i can get them done. TIME

1st tape---titled -"daytime" (2007) debating whether time is experienced from within the body or from the outside

2nd--tape---"earth time" death and spirituality, the concept of immortality.

3rd--tape--"lifetime" knowledge of time affects human existence.

4th--tape--"cosmic time" Atomic and cosmic discoveries change the concept of time.

ET

The problem is that innovation is not a government strong suit.

Protection of the status quo is.

Jack

The Dingells also played a role in the Michigan primary debacle

Desperate and disparately anxious times ….. What can I say….

Socialist – ah but with a capitalistic free market flare. Innovation in Energy (consumption and generation) and Healthcare will be the cure. and keep Gov't out of it.

Bad socialist medicine got us into this – now find some good medicine to get us out – so we do not need this anymore.

What a great micro study is the state of Michigan in taxing and controlling the way to a better economy – NOT. Failed Governor, failed Corp – build a wall and do not let this contaminate any more then it has.

KGC

The main thing to remember is Dingle is not going anywhere. So if you want to get anything past him the time to do so is when you have him by the short hairs. Right now he needs something and it is time to make him pay.

Jack

Solar -- indeed, I'd LOVE that series if you can figure out a way to do it! Thanks...

Solar -
if you can find the Time to share with all that would be great, it may be temporal passing to enjoy but such sequential progression would really keep us tick tock on the clock.

Craig

some writers like to impress us with a little latin, frances,,,i don't know either one, but maybe u can use---q sera sera--

my alternate is---manipulable

Thx KGC,
True about the syntax of most initiatives. Another very good reason to concern ourselves more with who's elected sos and ag in the State.
Based on a few comment from the "pros" on tv, I kinda figured it was confusing. One of those; Yes, we have no bananas!

What is the word thing? I have been out of the cycle..

How about a created word that is catching on….

Encobedience or Encobedieant

Has to do with compliant behavior – or not so compliant

"if you can find the Time to share with all that would be great, it may be temporal passing to enjoy but such sequential progression would really keep us tick tock on the clock."

No, Ping -- you can afford to BUY the series and retain your status as Craigslist's Chief Capitalist.

(Kidding, Ping....)

Ping

Craig was bemoaning being under the gun to produce 70,000 words in fairly short order, so we are helping out by giving him some words to use. Feel free to toss in something unusual. Craig is actually trying to fit them in, but he may be doomed to failure on that exercise.

Just a little blog siliness. The group was fixated on "P" words yesterday so I said they sounded like the museum scene in "When Harry Met Sally"

"I would be pleased to partake of your pecan pie"

Patsi and Solar,

This is supposedly a video for episode 3, and the other 3 episodes are link down the page, but my speaker isn't working on this computer so I can't check it out until later when I switch computers. I'm not sure it's all here or even if it's the right thing.(?)

Time: Earth Time (Episode 3)
http://science.videosift.com/video/Time-Earth-Time-Episode-3

I was having an attack of the inconsequential this morning, so I did a sort of tongue in cheek tribute to Michelle Obama

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

All right

A Palin comment!

I was getting worried, it had been well over a day.

Jack

If that's all it takes, I pledge to do my part to keep it gloomy and uninspired.

gloom and non-inspiration are my strong suits.......win/win situation as I sees it.......

Soup for supper

A variation on good ole tater soup.

I save the trimmings off the spiral sliced ham I buy for sandwiches. The trimmings are full of smoke so they make good flavoring for soup.

3/4 cup of ham
1 onion

About 2 inches of the celery top where it is a mixture of leaves and stalk

2 large potatoes
2 sweet potatoes, the same size
An equal amount of Jacko'lantern pumpkin

Peel , slice and dice the vegetables

Put the chopped up ham in the pot and cook until some of the fat is rendered out of the meat. That way you don't chunks of fat meat.

Add the onions and celery let them cook with the ham until the smell permeates the house.

Put all the remaining veggies in the pot add a cup or 2 of water to cover 2/3 of the veggies. You don't want too much liquid as you are going to add milk or cream later.
Bring to a boil then turn on low and simmer until every thing is cooked to pieces.

Salt and pepper to taste.

Just before serving add a cup of cream or can evaporated milk.

We will do the canned milk tonight as the wife is still thinking diet. but cream makes an incredibly rich tasty soup.

Serve with your favorite quick bread and lots of butter

Jack

disambiguation

noun

clarification that follows from the removal of ambiguity

[wordnet]

" keep it gloomy and uninspired"

In that spirit here is my contibution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cru2ld06-A

Jack

Chloe

glad i checked back before starting my work out----yes that is the one---dr. Michino Kaku is on it like mine,,but that one is from bbc---i will have to take a look at both of them to see if they are equal in( TIME:)) run time --i get corny sometimes--huh,,but either way it is a great find----tanks----anything that dr. Kaku is on is great,,,he also talks a lot about the cosmos,and other interesting subjects---i think that B Wino will recognize him,,,,chole when one puts it all together with all the info that is out there they can't help but feel,sense, see,things differently ---oh shut up mr. crete u talk too much---Chloe did u find that delete button yet---i sure can use it sometimes ---i wish that i did not post that ---type of thing,,,and lastly did u feed my horse?

Patd

In other words as old tricky dick would say, "Let me be perfectly clear."

Would be an ambiguous statement disguised as disambiguity?

Right?

Jack

pi·ca·resque
Pronunciation: \ˌpi-kə-ˈresk, ˌpē-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Spanish picaresco, from pícaro
Date: 1810

: of or relating to rogues or rascals ;

Jack

Can I steal that recipe for my blog. I'll give you credit.

"Whiskey Jack's Tater Soup" has a nice ring to it.

Go for it Jamie.

Jack

from the subprime to the picaresque?

Jack
Jack i know that u r working right now---but how does biz look in general in your neck of the woods---don't mean to be nosy ,,but --it's a mix bag over here,,,just had 2 projects ( small to mid size cancel until spring) i hope that u keep going,,,,and i copy all of your recipes and give them out to others,,thanks

nice cookbook of charleston cooking, bits of gullah writing and photos and sketches of charleston......
Charleston Receipts

http://www.jlcharleston.org/?nd=cookbook

they also explain why they used "receipts" instead of "recipes" in the book, if not on the website.......

In Preparation for the sing along, here are the lyrics to "Hail To The Chief"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c7Z-BeBXwPQ/SRErIwBNDhI/AAAAAAAAAWw/JYdN3kHmDWo/s1600-h/hailtochief.gif

"Let me be perfectly clear."

jack (or anybody tricky dick knowledgeable), can you recall his exact quote that goes something like "what you heard me say is not what i meant"? have been trying to track it down for ages. priceless pol-speak.

Watching Chris Matthews Sunday Show with an excellent panel. He is smart, sharp, informed and asks excellent questions without over riding their opinions.

That is what they need with him for his daily show. No talking over or spitting at the guests.

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.” - Robert McCloskey

found while pokin' around:

“There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader.”
Alexandre Ledru-Rollin

sturge, thanks that's it! but why is it attributed to mccloskey?

"I wasn't seeking the second highest office in the land"

LOL

Thank God for small favors.

There is one good thing with your current obsession with Palin. We don't have to listen to the nonstop ashing of HRC or other female politicos.

Jack

Patd

Isn't it amazing

Ask and somebody here knows.

Jack

lol
At least I have a bulb lit

Jack

Date of Birth: November 25, 1922
Place of Birth: Philadelphia, PA
Date of Death: November, 1996
Claim to Fame: US State Department Spokesman
Robert McCloskey was the US government's primary spokesman during the time of the Vietnam War. He had been a spokesman for the US State Department during the Johnson and Nixon administrations, serving under Secretaries of State Dean Rusk, William Rogers, and Henry Kissinger, and served as assistant Secretary of State to Kissinger. McCloskey was also US ambassador to Cyprus, the Netherlands, and Greece, and an ambassador-at-large during the 1970s, until he retired from the Foreign Service in 1981. In 1974, he had worked with Kissinger on negotiations over the Golan Heights in Israel. From 1981-83, McCloskey was ombudsman for The Washington Post, at which time he took a post with the Catholic Relief Services, working there for the next six years.

McCloskey, married and the father of two daughters, died of leukemia on Thanksgiving Day, 1996.

"mr. crete u talk too much-"

Not true Solar, you don't talk enough. :)
And, not to worry about Cheyenne. All my animals are over fed (and spoiled).

Sorry to hear your job postponed. This time of the year is like that. Now when you start it in the spring, you'll probably have more than you can handle. Feast or famine.

The thing about the McCloskey quote is that I think I've heard many presidential spokemen say much the same thing. Probably more than one president too.

Jack

"i may irrelevant ' ' but never claimed to be anything more"

mqw,
Don't ever say that, and don't listen to anyone else say that either. You're never irrelevant, and I always enjoy reading your posts.

Patsi----this is it---we can thank chloe!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173788

chloe ---the link that u provided is a good one,,,it is from bbc---the one i have is from the science channel,,,they have mixed up the order of the shows---their 3rd show is my 2nd,,,but what is important is that they kept it all in tack pretty much----bu if u can check ( i tried ) on the science channel it might be the original time runs---i am surprised that it has resurfaced just 3 n a half wks ago,? down load it ur going to luv it. hey keep my hos in shape never know when i have to leave town all of a sudden.

patd

It is a quote on leadership that has been stolen so often it has lost its connection to the source. Most often credited to ledru-Rollin. A variation has also been attributed to Ghandi. Any questions of this nature can usually be found in Bartleby

http://www.bartleby.com/73/1021.html

It's got big ears and a long trunk......'at's irrelevant.

---Chico Marx

"The problem is that innovation is not a government strong suit.
Protection of the status quo is."
Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 16, 2008 10:56 AM"

Jack, no one in government has ever been rewarded for risking public funds for the sake of innovation.

I might agree with your protection statement, but I'm really not comfortable with how you phrased it.

BTW, did your missus accept her job offer?

Solar

I'm mostly a one man operation and mostly do minor repair. Things break and old people need them fixed. I occassionally get larger jobs like last month where I hire someone for a few days but not often.

I don't know what is going on with new construction this fall. Last summer I talked to someone on the crew I used to work on and he said they were keeping busy.
In this old neighborhood I'm seeing quite few remodel jobs happening. I imagine it is folks like me who buy an old house for under $ 20,000 and fix it up to rent or sell.

Jack

Re ghosts:

I stayed with my mom while she was dying and that took about about a year. I have a friend who was a photo journalist for our local paper and was also a member of a ghost hunting group. They would go to cemetaries with cameras and tape recorders and take pictures and record sounds.

She called one night after mom went to sleep to invite me on one of their hunts at a cemetary close to where my mom lived. I went and didn't see anything, didn't really want to at the time, but did get to see their pictures and they were quite impressive.

The night my mom died, my friend was there with me with her camera. We had to wait for someone from the medical school to pick up mom's body because she donated it to the medical school.

After dark, while standing outside I felt something touch my shoulder so I asked my friend to get her camera and take a picture. I was surrounded by a beautiful blue aura. My nephew, my mom's favorite, was surrounded by a gold aura and my sister a lavender aura. I took a picture of my friend and no aura. After they took my mom's body, all the auras were gone.

The next week, while waiting for the funeral because my stepfather was out of the country when mom died, the house was full of orbs. All of our cameras picked them up. Never had these before and after that week haven't photographed any.

Can't explain it but I feel it was a spiritual phenomena. I checked into the significance of the aura colors and they matched us to a tee. I have since read about the orbs and quite a few people have seen them in their family photos. There is a book titled the Orb Project that is pretty interesting. It is co-authored by a scientist and theologian.

There is more to our existance to what we have on this earth. Thank God.

Flatus

She decided now wasn't the time. The company that wanted her is a medium sized archetecture firm that had a gang busters year last year. With the changes that are happening right now there is likely to be a down turn and the new director of marketing could easily take the blame. The company she is currently with is well enough diversified between public and private construction that they will find opportunities. So she feels safe where she is at.

Jack

Jack

thanks, i understand,,u will never go out of work--i had a friend that was a good size contractor, until he got a divorce---said the x took half his biznes and the irs the other half-----all he did for the last 15 years of his life was,, ceiling fans, remodel bathrooms, rehab, and said he was going to die happy cos he screwed the gov-------

What do u think of a flat sales tax---about 15% give or take, with a little tweaking for the one that need it,,if they qualify?
if u buy a loaf of bread,,,of if u buy an original painting,?

my feeling is that if there was a flat tax ---things would be more transparent and they would not be able to pull too many fast ones on us,,it is so confusing to try to follow the money now ---how can they lose 10b il in iraq and not know where it went to??

This is an excerpt from a much longer essay I've composed, but I'll spare you all, as few would care, and many more would laugh. I'm done after that.

"...as far as the "f-bomb" is concerned, the real kicker form my perspective is that much more reprehensible things can and have been said in language devoid of profanity, from many others than just me. I could articulate much more disgusting sentiments in well-composed, eloquent soliloquies, but I figure it's more preferential to express what could be said with 70,000 words with just 3.

It's very ironic to my mind that a simple obscene dismissal is met with more reproach than the awful post from a few days ago when someone, whoever, encouraged the painful suicide of a newer participant. No one seemed to have a problem with that, though. It literally left me slack-jawed upon reading it, and I felt whomever it was needed to be called out. I realize it doesn't matter though.

Good luck to you, Craig, in luring new participants of divergent philosophies here when THAT type of sentiment is met with less resistance than the word "fuck". Many of you may not even be aware how warped the minds of children are becoming with the onslaught of violence and sex they receive through visual media, the internet, and video games. And you like to think things could get better. Forgive my cynicism. "Fuck" should be the least of your concerns."

So long.

"Any questions of this nature can usually be found in Bartleby"

jamie, thanks. my error was in going to the following which has a list of quotes under the word "meant"....it had 2 variations attributing them to rmn.

http://www.chocolatesandcandy.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=meant

too bad it's not nixon's as it would have given craig 27 more words if he and helen were including any nixon comments.

28 if you count contractions as two not one word. plus he could have three more by citing the full name, aside from designating office and date and location.

so many words, so little time.

Champ---i agree with all that u said---i also agreed when u said it and to whom-----so fuck it and stick around,,,take off for a few days, or how ever long, and come back

"as far as the "f-bomb" is concerned, the real kicker form my perspective is that much more reprehensible things can and have been said in language devoid of profanity,"

Absolutely agree.

solar, champ... maybe craig's word chiding was because flatus dropped "codswallop" on us... now that word sounds pretty risque, if not down right dirty. flatus, you should be ashamed :)

remember one man's trash is another's treasure...
or does that only apply to relationships?

It's very ironic to my mind that a simple obscene dismissal is met with more reproach than the awful post from a few days ago when someone, whoever, encouraged the painful suicide of a newer participant

'at'sa pretty good pernt......

Flatus---im shocked--codswallop----see champ another potty mouth

but i can see champs side of it--its like when in school some smart ass hits , but the teacher only sees u hitting, him,,it feel like wtf?

Jack, I don't blame her for sticking around.

I bet if someone surveyed the people who came, contributed nicely, and then left abruptly, only a couple left because of stray four letter words.

I think they left because of unremitting disapproval expressed in the harshest terms by people believing themselves possessed of superior wisdom.

Durn peckerwoods criticizing my language.

"Many of you may not even be aware how warped the minds of children are becoming with the onslaught of violence and sex they receive through visual media, the internet, and video games.....Forgive my cynicism. "Fuck" should be the least of your concerns.".

I also agree with you Champ. I have a lot of respect for your speaking out about this too, and hope you decide to stick around. You've never let the naysayers win in the past.

"I think they left because of unremitting disapproval expressed in the harshest terms by people believing themselves possessed of superior wisdom."

Absolutely Flatus.
Demeaned by the know-it-alls that wouldn't allow them their point of view.

Afternoon all. Haven't read this thread other than the last few posts. Sounded confrontational in tone. I'm splitting time between my apartment and my Mom's condo now. I'm waiting to hear whether or not I am working this week. Things sound pretty bad at work. A friend of mine texted me the other day and said some departments at work would be down from 1-4 months. There is no overtime allowed at work. This was an order from our plant manager's boss. Sounds like I may have to look for a new job soon. I also heard our owners were put on S&P's "credit watch". If the big 3 don't get helped out, things are going to get really bad.

Actually, Sarah Palin was our waitress last night at dinner. Or at least our waitress looked like her. Okay...who got mad because somebody dropped an *F-Bomb* here?

the thing in these discussions is that both sides feel that the other side doesn't allow them to express their point of view... It's the nature of the beast. Sometimes when loony conspiracy theorists post debunked crap in here, it drives me crazy, and I'll speak out, but I can't stop them from posting. And kudos to Craig for having the strength to let the conversation go, even when he finds it outstandingly pedantic.

as 'enry 'iggins so eloquently said:

An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him,
The moment he talks he makes some other
Englishman despise him.
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get.
Oh, why can't the English learn to set
A good example to people whose
English is painful to your ears?
The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There even are places where English completely
disappears. In America, they haven't used it for years!
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their
Greek. In France every Frenchman knows
his language fro "A" to "Zed"
The French never care what they do, actually,
as long as they pronounce in properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning.
And Hebrews learn it backwards,
which is absolutely frightening.
But use proper English you're regarded as a freak.
Why can't the English,
Why can't the English learn to speak?

If we could talk to the animals, learn their languages
Think of all the things we could discuss
If we could walk with the animals, talk with the animals,
Grunt and squeak and squawk with the animals,
And they could squeak and squawk and speak and talk to us.

Never mind, I read the thread. Well, some of it. Not the bad parts yet. Speaking of language, when I first got hired in where I work I was asked "Do you swear?" I thought to myself, "What? Why are you asking me that?" The guy who hired me said, "Well, we try to watch our language here." I told him, "I do swear occasionally, but I can control it." Things have changed a lot at work since then. But, from time to time I have worked with people who never swear.

oops.......Dr. Doolittle

There is indeed a good lesson from Dr. Doolittle !!!

hey euro tom
i never agree with anything you say' but anybody
listens to iris demint is ok in my book

ah mqw you put a smile on my face

I'm gone now.. thanks my friend!

What do you call a pig that knows karate?

Pork Chop.

bacon

"as 'enry 'iggins so eloquently said"

Pat, One of my all time favorite movies. :)

"If we could walk with the animals, talk with the animals,
Grunt and squeak and squawk with the animals,
And they could squeak and squawk and speak and talk to us."

Sounds like my household Sturge. And I mean it.

"it literally left me slack-jawed upon reading it, and I felt whomever it was needed to be called out. " Well said Champ.
Exactly how I felt when I someone was:

Accused "of conspiracy to commit murder"- they spoke out against Obama.

A black woman's race was questioned because she didn't support Obama. Just another form of prejudice. Truly sorry Lampe, I should have spoken out, but was still recuperating from a recent attack myself.

Call for a public shunning- I guess I learned as a young woman from my beloved Hawthorne that shunning is a dangerously ugly form of social control..

The continued and unabashed use of derogatory sexist remarks and name-calling.

It all reminds me of that murder of a woman on a city st. many years ago, and no one lifted a hand. What sort of person am I when I sit by and tolerate others being abused?

Champ

it looks like u r not as smart as u thought--------u said only a few cared-----it looks to me like we went over the 50%mark that makes a majority ---so stop your bs and get back here,,,rita will be back soon, and so will toast,,since they are not here this is what rita woulda said---------never mind she is much too eloquent for me to even try-----toast the same,,,but i know that they would have moved the percentage to around 60% now how can u argue with that?

Catherine Susan Genovese (July 7, 1935–March 13, 1964), commonly known as Kitty Genovese, was a New York City woman who was stabbed to death near her home in the Kew Gardens section of Queens, New York. Genovese was buried in a family grave at Lakeview Cemetery in New Canaan, Connecticut.

The circumstances of her murder and the supposed lack of reaction of numerous neighbors were reported by a newspaper article published two weeks later; the common portrayal of neighbors being fully aware, but completely nonresponsive has later been criticized as inaccurate. Nonetheless, it prompted investigation into the social psychological phenomenon that has become known as the bystander effect (seldom: "Genovese syndrome") and especially diffusion of responsibility.

wikipedia

Crawford's List.....Everything From Clintonistas to Palinistas!

For Sturgeone:

"Hey you crazy. Sturgeon he's a doctor cuts you open when-a you sick." - Chico Marx

OSH-you call yourself a hag. Is that ok because you're a woman?

Tom and mqw -- If you are fans of Iris, you might like to know a bit more about her producer, one of the finest people to ever grace the streets of Nashville, my friend Jim Rooney.

http://www.imro.ie/newstastic/news.php?item=9665

Rosiecat - Yes.

*Yawn*

Also, here is a great 40 year old photo of Jim Rooney at the 1965 Indian Neck Folk Festival....

http://www.cookephoto.com/jimrooney.html

Patsi-he was a cutie. Did he have red hair? Looks kinda like it.

Rosie -- Sea Hag is an old and much used term as well as a fictional character...it's sometimes used as a description of a sea witch, sometimes used as a funny term.

It is a far different thing to just cut it down to the derogatory term some use to describe any woman over 50.

However, my personal favorite is this description:

"A mean, rotten, old woman who lives by the Sea in Indialantic, Florida who lures Men in, gets a cut of their paycheck, drinks all their blood then tosses their remains into the street."

"Patsi-he was a cutie. Did he have red hair? Looks kinda like it."

Oh yes, Rosie...Rooney's a red head!

Patsi,

I think I met Jim Rooney once at a little bluegrass festival a friend of mine used to put on in upstate New York. It was called the Rooney Mtn. Bluegrass Festival, it got it's name from Rooney Mtn. outside of deposit NY, not from Jim Rooney. I'm pretty sure he was there playing in a band with guys Like Tex Logan and Sam Bush.

Jim plays at a lot of those festivals, Bow -- and he's a good friend of Sam Bush -- so it's likely.

Onemore thing about OSH's screen name....when I first read it, I laughed because I thought of the old cartoon character in Popeye;

Popeye Meets the Sea Hag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C40_yE3me_I

One of my favorite terms is "h'aint" , which is an OLD southern contraction of 'haunt', but is used as a noun. It's like hag, as in "I look like a h'aint in the mornings" Or my great-great aunt calling her neighbor an ol' h'aint.

A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.
The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very small.
The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.
Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it was physically impossible.
The little girl said, "When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah".
he teacher asked, "What if Jonah went to hell?"
The little girl replied, "Then you ask him".

LOL@solar

"It's like hag, as in "I look like a h'aint in the mornings" Or my great-great aunt calling her neighbor an ol' h'aint."

Funny -- I'd only read that term before moving South.

New South or Old South? My family was one of the First Families and had lived in Pitman Centre (around Gatlingburg) for near two hundred years. I had relatives that still used the word 'hope' as the past tense of help. Very proper English, for two hundred years ago. And we would go a-berrying while the men went a-hunting. Again, proper English, only for an earlier time.

"A mean, rotten, old woman who lives by the Sea in Indialantic, Florida who lures Men in, gets a cut of their paycheck, drinks all their blood then tosses their remains into the street."

patsi, sounds like a familiar denizen of posey's oyster bar down in st. marks before it was closed down. aside from the best apalachee oysters, they had real tasty smoked mullet and pitchers and pitchers of beer.
sure miss ole posey's.....

Oh, that's right. You're in Nashville. I'm from the mountains. Yeah, we talk different in different parts of the state. You know that.

There's also the 'night hag' phenomenon. That is the Nova Scotia term for sleep paralysis, because it used to be said to be caused by an old hag sitting on ones chest.

we talk different in different parts [rosie]

"haint" in the okie branch of the family meant something entirely different from your haint....
more on the order of "i haint going nowhere lookin like this"

haint america diversefully grand?

I think it's time for a Listers Irrelevant Day, so I propose, tomorrow should be "Soundtrack of Your Life" day. This is easy. Just make a list of the 10 songs that make you either TURN it up and SING at the top of your lungs while driving, or the ones that make ya dance while standing in line at the grocery store. (the turning it up and singing at the top of my lungs ALWAYS embarrassed my then 13 year old daughter -- much to my delight!). Go on, it'll make ya feel good, and we can have a good natter (there's a word for Craig) about it after.

"New South or Old South? My family was one of the First Families and had lived in Pitman Centre (around Gatlingburg) for near two hundred years."

Well, since I only moved to Nashville, it may not count as the South anyway....especially since I usually hang with music people from all over.

My family came to the Americas through the Carolinas (not Ellis Island) and lived in North Carolina, then Tennessee, but always moving Westward.

They had some funny terms to "scare" too -- like Old Scratch (the Devil).

""Soundtrack of Your Life" day. "

Good idea!

champ is a talented and acerbic comic. Too bad he's/she's occultated. I expect him/her to return shortly.
It is not the first or second time that he/she has threatened to pull up stakes, and probably not the last.

He/she is prickly and extremely negative, prefering to razz others for their opinions rather than present any of his/her own in an orderly fashion. He/she frequently appeared with a snarky comment, sometimes without reading carefully what his victim actually wrote - a fault of which I have been guilty also.

champ is a master of the cop out, as we see with the flight from criticism over his/her use of the f bomb, a lame reason for leaving. As to "70,000 words", and his purported essay - total baloney. Humerous baloney, but baloney nonetheless.

If this mini critique doesn't lure him/her to return for a an encore Parthian shot, then I'll take it all back.

"You seem to have no problem calling me a sexist"

Because You behave as one and in the year I've read your posts you have never changed. If you wish to not be called a sexist or closer to the mark a misogynist. Then get a clue and quit it.

Jack

Padt

"haint" in the okie branch of the family meant something entirely different from your haint....
more on the order of "i haint going nowhere lookin like this"

haint america diversefully grand?

i talk like this now---u making fun o me???

It's called 'hill-billy bonics'.

"It's because of minds like yours that people like OJ get away with murder. "

Are you a racist as WELL as a sexist. It was a black jury, after all.

(only being semi-sarcastic)

i don't care what its called patd made fun of me--and im callin him out----so patd see u at sun-up

Patd

My Aint Marie, would have said "Ah hain't a goin' nowhere a lookin' such as this"

But she was from the Ozark town of Nixy (spell Nixa)

Jack

"'hill-billy bonics" -- Love the term, Rosie.

I love colloquialisms...when I first moved here, one of my first friends was a singer from Arkansas. The first time she asked me to "carry" her to the store, I was dumbfounded.

Rosie

It is called a dialect.

A few words from mine

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mostone/fun/slang.htm

Jack

You've "ta-ta'd" your way out the door several times already. Thought you had a dinner date....

How about the way all soda is 'coke' . When I was in college, I asked a friend of mine from Ohio if he wanted a coke. He said sure and I asked him what kind. He thought I was just repeating myself.

"Thought you had a dinner date...."

Patsi
don't be giving me straight lines like that, You know how easily I'm tempted.

Jack

Rosie

That is a definite regionalism down my way it is just Pop, Maybe a Sodiepop.

Jack

Up here in AK, any place that is not AK is referred to as 'Outside'.

"You know how easily I'm tempted."

Ha! Yes.

CNN has nominated its top ten "heroes" for 2008. If you haven't voted for the top one yet, you might want to stop by

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/cnn.heroes/

If nothing else, you might find an interesting cause or two.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173894

Tylenol, That is a great idea, but TEN - my life is one long sound track and you want only ten?

The stress of it all.

Okay, Jack - that's a fightin' word! It's Mizz-zur-eeeee!

"How about the way all soda is 'coke' . "

Yep -- we called it all "coke" too.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173830

Hey Champ
I agree with you regarding the F-bomb! I don't know why your singled out? A poster called someone an F*****g Moron the other day and nothing was said!!
I hope your still reading TM,I have enjoyed you immensely!! I like your style.I think your so smart and have learned much from your many posts,hell I even enjoyed your posts about baseball and I"m not at all a baseball fan.I remember when you first posted,you and I had a dust up,you were so kind and apologized,I was impressed with what stand up guy you are,I hope you will post again...Many here would be sad to lose you...

I back up tony's comment. You add an essentail element here. For one thing, Half the time I'm not sure whether you're serious or not Hang around.

Radiohead - Exit Music (for a Film)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RByvzmmEFiQ

Jamie -- Top 10. That should keep people here from calling other people racists and misogynists. i'm sick of it.

Patsi did u get the link that chloe left for the time series? here is another guy that is great.

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, this is better than we thought ! the universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant? instead they say, no ,no, no! My god is a little god, and i want him to stay that way. A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

Carl Sagan---wrote in Pale Blue Dot.

Solar - thanks for that link - out of this world, literally.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173933

Tylenol

Thee and me both. The brain is a computer and swearing is just so much garbage in garbage out. The more you do it, the easier it becomes to resort to it later.

The final episode of MASH is on TV Land. Which is a good reason to depart.

Top Ten Tomorrow if I can narrow down the list to something approaching a mere decade.

Bethy---i have had the time series for almost 2 years now,,,but chloe found the link for us---she always manages to help me out.

Ha u like now huh---juuuust a little more and u will be hooked about the furure,,,and we can freeze your head along with mine and rosie's ---my head goes in the middle --that is final.
did u watch it with bil---and hung on for the ride?

Hey GORDO...where the hell is the WHITEY tape!?

I just watched the classiest 1st Lady of my lifetime being interviewed on 60 Minutes.

You should be ashamed for all the crap you've peddled on this site, and I hope you are. Just skulk away back to your reptile hole now.

Lardo

Pop over to my blog and go down about three posts to "Long Cool Woman"

I think you will like it.

Jamie..

I just did that. Very cool indeed. Thanks.

Meanwhile, I just hope that the other regulars on this site continue treating Soeter-Gordo for what he is...which is bascially just a Joe McCarthy for the modern cyber-age. He's just peddled his crap day after day here, and in the end it's all been nothing but empty bluster. I'm tired of treating him like some sort of eccentric, lovable mascot. He is irredeemable.

Don't you agree, Soeter-Gordo?
Or should I say McCarthy-Gordo?

Solar - If I have to have my head frozen, I'd be proud to be frozen next to you and with Rosie. You haave to understand, tho, it will be in a frozen of state of screaming, NO, no, I want to be cremated - I don't want to come back!!!!!!!! It won't be pretty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"That should keep people here from calling other people racists and misogynists. i'm sick of it."

Well, I assume you are referring to me calling out some very sexist remarks that have been made, Ty. If so, don't count on me shutting up about it. And IF -- I repeat "if" because so far I have almost never seen it -- someone actually made racist statements, I'd say something about that as well.

Not to be rude or gross, But had McCain won, I do not think it would have been appropriate title that Craig used today...
McCain's Leaky Transition - Just has to many other possible story lines -- Drip

Jack -- What's up in Missouri? Votes still aren't counted?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15649.html

"Joe McCarthy"
???

Lardo, McCarthy had power to hurt people and did. Gordo is just a netkook, nothing more. The strongest emotion I can feel for him is pity, and I have to work hard to do that..

Jack

Lard -- speaking of the First Lady role, here's a NYT op/ed from 1992 about the job....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D81F3AF93BA35752C1A964958260

I have to say that I don't think I've seen any racist remarks here, and I've been here 6 months or so, but I have seen the accusation quite a few times. I have never really understood it.

Jason -- don't know if you are around....maybe on your way home for Thanksgiving....but this will irritate you...ha! A round of applause for Aretha!!!!

Aretha Franklin greatest singer in rock era: poll
Tue Nov 11, 3:14 pm ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – She's already the Queen of Soul, but now Aretha Franklin has been named the greatest singer of the rock era in a poll conducted by Rolling Stone magazine.

Franklin, 66, came in ahead of Ray Charles at No. 2, Elvis Presley at No. 3, Sam Cooke at No. 4 and John Lennon at No. 5, according to the magazine's survey of 179 musicians, producers, Rolling Stone editors, and other music-industry insiders.

Patsi, no polls are official until signed-off by Jack.

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Patsi
Provisional ballots take time and man power. The Republicans hold the purse strings and why would they help a Democrat SoS.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrmaps/20081104/

Look at this map of the turn out, county by county
the suburbs and exurbs were the highest, over 70%
Where as St Louis was 61%, If St Louis had just matched Kansas City turn out of 66% Obama would have won.

Jack

flatus

That was only true for one election in a small township in a rural county over 30 years ago.

Mean while the answer to the question "What is it with Missouri" is "Good Effing Question!"

Jack

Jack, Jack, does that mean Elvis is not the King?
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Flatus

Elvis is always the king.
Those are Rolling Stone readers, a bunch of brain damaged exhippies. What do they know?

Jack

Besides
Aretha was R&B and Soul

Different category all together

Respect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_QTKyIP_mE

"Rolling Stone readers, a bunch of brain damaged exhippies"

ROFL -- probably true.

Elvis is the King of R&R - and Aretha is the Queen of Soul...I'll go with that...

Reverend Solar,

1. The Book of Jonah does not say Jonah was swallowed by a whale, but by a big fish. Bad translations call it a whale. I'll speculate that it was a boat painted with eyes, and perhaps a mouth. Such boats were still to be seen around Portugal and Greece as late as the '50s. In museums, there are numerous images from Greek pots, Greek and Roman mosaics, and Roman and Minoan frescos, depicting boats built to resemble fish. Btw, the Jonah story has details similar to tales of Pythagoras' and the Apostate Paul's boat rides.

2. David did not have a "partnership" with God. He only HOPED to have a partnership with God. Apparently, he blew it. A modern mind might say that David was charismatic and bipolar. Yet he seems to have been a formidable war leader (as were Gens McArthur, Von Motke the Younger, and Joe Hooker, when they weren't suffering depression). David's reign was not happy. F'rinstance, he disbanded the peasant infantry, with which he had beaten the chariot-based armies of nobles used by his enemies. He replaced the peasant army with a chariot-based army of nobles. Some, if not all, of his kids hated him. He had Bathsheba's husband killed. Ad nauseum.

3. With the exception of Solomon and Josiah, all of David's descendents were awful rulers, so why on earth would anyone want a Davidic messiah ? Or an king, for that matter ?

4. The gospels give Jesus 2 DIFFERENT geneologies. Which one is correct ? Any theories ? To be continued

As Jesus was both God and Man, I don't see your problem. With God all things are possible.

Once you get past that the rest is easy. You want multiple geneologies , hey, pick a number I'm Ok with it.
Besides did you know that Octavious wasn't really a Ceasar, see it happened all the time.

Jack

XR what is it with u----reverend my ass----u seem like an educated man/women-----that was a whale of a joke--ok fleahead-----never said david had a partnership---the third u r right on---cos of them they were at fault for the tribes to go seperate ways---4th---yes he was a decendent of david, cos joseph was a decendent-----don't call me reverend ---go back to mr, crete----no just make that MR.

LardassLiberal-----------------------

Read what Craig wrote about McCain and Rev Wright.

McCain Shuns the Wright Factor

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comments

LardassLiberal-----------------------

Do you understand the connection between McCain not using the Rev Wright video (which we know does exist) and his decision to not use MO "whitey" video?

Is that too complicated for you?

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McCain / Whitey Tape

"None of my three main sources on who told me about the existence of a video recording of Michelle Obama making disparaging comments about white folks have backed off. Two of these sources are Democrats and are journalists.

My Republican friend tells me that the McCain campaign intervened and requested the tape not be used."

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/21/whitey-tape-api-phil-berg-and-andy-martin/
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"whitey tape" -- the supposed campaign-killer video, supposedly in GOP hands, which supposedly captures Michelle Obama using racist language.

... i asked him if the tape was real.here is what larry replied to me [michael brooks from media matters was the primary source and sy hersh was the confirmation with a additional confirmation from a unamed cia buddy.

I was originally told that Johnson said that he learned of the matter directly from David Brock, the head of Media Matters. ... I suspect that Brock learned from Brooks."

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/10/whitey-tape-sources-follow-up.html

XR and Solar - are you two fighting or just arguing or what?

Bethy

my money is on "or what"

Jack

Bethy---xr is a smart ass --he/she takes things and twists them around to suit him/her,,i am answering him in his own style of smart ass way----i give what i get ----i tried to be nice to her/him a cple of times and that did not work--i don't know if he wants to have a conversation,,,or just show me up,,,he has some good knowledge of jesus and biblical thing in general, i don't know what his game is ??

Jack - I'm thinking like you.

Solar - yeah, I didn't cathc what made xr angry, but he sure seems like it. However, he sure does know his biblical and/or ancient history. funn how this stfuu never gets talked about in sermons. You're doing pretty well, Solar.

Jack,
I not only don't get past it, I never come near it. If Jesus were God, I think he would have said so, rather than leaving that job of announcing it to a later generation. As Jesus never did say it, I doubt he thought of himself as God. In fact, in the Gospels Jesus repeatedly refers to God as if God were someOne else.

In one version of the trial before Pilate Jesus admits to the son of god, but aren't we all children of God ?

I don't remember what Octavian's family name was.
Now there was a guy who actually claimed to be a god.

I don't have a need to be right----my goal is to reach the lukers with as much information in regards to religion----i have lost some loved ones to religion----they are here in body---but not as family---i have learned a lot of historical facts that most people that have read the bible several times will never know cos they are not in the bible-----i get a lot of information from Anthropology and sociology ---they provide names dates, and back ground of what was happening at the time of jesus and historians that back it up---if xr want to talk about it in a way that we both can learn something ffine---if not then,,it seems a little silly of him to stalk me just to show me up----he won't

i will stop if u all tell me that u want me too,,,i won't insist on being an ass----but will post info on any historical mis information that i see,,thanks

Jesus---continued

the book of daniel-written 165 b.c. when palestine was ruled by syrian greeks- also speaks of military messianic redemption by an anointed one,the prince, leading to a great hewish empire,,i saw in the night visions, and behold the son of man( this phrase was also used for jesus-) came with the clouds of heaven, and there was given him dominion and glory serve him...an everlasting kingdom that shall not be destroyed

What most people fail to realize about these vengeful prophecies is that they were made in Conjunction with act ual wars of liberation waged(also at jesus time) under the leadership of real-life military messiahs. these wars enjooyed popular support cos they not only aimed at restoring the independence of the jewish state, but also promised to eliminate economic and social inequities that foreign rule had exacerbated beyond endurance.

jewish guerrillas waged a prolonged struggle against the roman administrators and the roman army...the cult of the peaceful messiah---the lifestyle of jesus and his followers---developed in the midst of this guerrilla war and in the very districts of of palestine that were the main centers of insurgent activity,,,seemingly in total contradiction to the tactics and strategies of the liberation forces???---the christian gospels fail to expound or even mention jesus relationship to the jewish liberation struggle...from the gosples alone, you would never know that jesus spent most of his life in the central theater of one of historys fieercest guerrilla uprisings..even less apparent to readers of the gosples is the fact that this struggle continued to escalate long after jesus was executed,,,,you could never guess that in 68 a.d. the jews went on to stage a full-scale revolution that required the attention of six roman legions under the command of two roman emperors before it was brought under control...and least of all would you ever suspect that jesus himself died a victim of the roman attempt to destroy the military-messianic consciousness of the jewish revolutionaries.

As a roman colony, palestine exhibited all of the classical political and economic symptoms of colonial misrule,,,the jews who occupied high civil or religious positions were puppets of clients--the bulk of he people live very poorly,

The jews began their war against rome shortly before herod the great was confirmed as puppet king by the roman senate.----some specialized in urban guerrilla tactics and were called dagger men---jesus apostles always had daggers under their clothing ? there is much much more but i wil just write about this one more time,,,and from an historian of that time that was a contemporary of the authors of the earliest christian gospels---Flavius Josephus---two of his books---The jewish war---and jewish antiquities,,are recognized by scholars as no less essential to the history of first-century palestine than the gospels themselves

My wife's cousin's house is directly under an LA Times fire map ball of flame. Chino Hills. Uh oh.
When I Google-earthed his address and saw all that vegetation surrounding that area it just looked like a firetrap.

SolarCrete,

Just teasing, for heaven's sake. And, I'm certainly no more twisting of things anyone else in the pool.

Xrep

I was following the links in wiki.

When Augustus , Marc Antony and Pompey form the first Triumvirate . It looks like it was a Family organisation, They were all cousins and rivals. That was something I didn't realise.

Augustus's father was also named Octavious, was a wealthy plebean from a political family. He married into nobility by marrying Julius Caesar's niece.

Julius Caesar adopted Augustus as his heir.

Jack

xr ---i don't mind being teased---i tease some people here myself---but not over 3-4 threads,,,,,i guessed you were teasing champ also----remember his words to you---he said be careful that you might get what u wish for----he meant ---that i knew of what i was talking about---but HERE is my hand of peace--please take it, i have no need to argue,, but please let me know if u don't agree with something i say---between the both of us and all the people here we are bound to come up with something that is informative---i have learned a lot from so many here that makes me feel damn good----now may the devil damn you---people say may god bless you---just teasing xr!!!

Bethy----Factual history--look at my last long post---i provide the historian and 2 books that he wrote

SolaCrete wrote : "Davis claimed to be in divine partnership with the jewish god Yahweh"

The point is, David was a deeply troubled guy. Psalms shows how desperately he wanted to have a partnership with God.

exrep

David is a bit like the big dawg, he just can't leave them women be. God will forgive most anything except screwing around.
After all Noah even got drunk and got it on with his daughters. As long as they keep that stuff in the family.

Jack

XR---yes that is correct ---he was very troubles indeed---that he claimed he was in partnership with god --show that part of him,,,he claimed that also in order to sway the military,and the people that god was on their side----just like iraq---it helps if you have a god on your side---also having a partnership with god gave his blood line the right to be the next messiahs,,,and ,, it did not take long for david to lose his empire,,,all the way to the time of jesus others claimed it also--in order for them to conquer the world like god promeised---it;s called politics G W did it also---

Jack ---exactly

Hey everybody

There is a new thread but I'm not going to bother with it
See you'uns in the morning.

nite

Jack

SolarCrete,

I have no quarrel with you. I enjoy your history and anthropological analyses. I just wrote 'Reverend' because you were writing a lot about religion.

I thought champ told me to be careful what I wish for, because after he again threatened to leave Trail Mix, I had written that he was humorous, and a valuable contributor. He couldn't stand to have me say anything good about him.

I think champ hates me because: 1. I don't see Jesus as a namby-pamby, sweetness-and-light, goody-2-sandals, but rather as a traditional Semitic warleader; 2. I once expressed approval for incinerating nazis; 3. I never had much respect for john mccain; 4. I despise the republican party. 5. I am no longer kind to GORDO.

Apparently, I am not the only one champ hates around here, because he experienced another couple hissyfits today, while I was away raking.

Anyway, champ's hatred bothers him not me.

What kind of pacifist would physically whip merchants, to drive them from a temple courtyard ?

Maybe those merchants were the kind who accepted as payment coins with Nero's face on them.

Noah, too???????

Thanks, Solar - what I was getting at was whether today's churches were ever exposed to these kinds of of historic stories. If they're not in the Bible, It's easy to ignore them. All the same, I wonder if ministers and pastors etc are exposed to them - very interesting.

Do modern historians agree with Flavius Josephus, or is it at all controversial?

"Apparently, I am not the only one champ hates around here, because he experienced another couple hissyfits today, while I was away raking."

Champ doesn't hate you or anyone else xrepub - he's mad about all the injustice in the world. He's a little mad too, because he thinks the rest of us can't see it. And he doesn't like it when some acts like a bully with their ideas.

"that he claimed he was in partnership with god"

Solar, He just believes that because he doesn't want to take responsibility for his horrendous deeds and their consequences.