Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

"lame w duck" lol courtesy of harvard's niall ferguson last night on news hour re scon mtg:

"The problem is that the host is President Lame W. Duck, and that really puts the mockers on the likelihood of this meeting delivering any very positive result, especially after President Bush's I thought rather inflammatory speech yesterday.

I must say, when I hear President Bush defend anything, I have to question it. And when I hear him defend the free market, then even I, as a staunch free-marketeer, become a little bit nervous...

... I think it would be much better if the United States were to talk directly to one of its biggest creditors, if not its biggest creditor, China, and try to ask the question, how can we coordinate our stimulus packages? How can we coordinate our monetary policies so that our relationship doesn't break down?

....if that China-America relationship goes wrong in the year ahead, then the world comes significantly closer to a Great Depression rather than just the big recession that we currently face."

scon = economic

btw, 1st program where the big "d" word heard spoken out loud..... and more than once.

Goldie explains it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzta9XU-CEA

Is it just me or does Keith Olbermann come across as really not liking Hillary? He seems almost dumbfounded that should would be considered for such a high profile job in the Obama administration. At no point did he say "well she would certainly be a strong SOS...

Horsey -

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1862

ET -
Keith has bad case of LDD

Lou Dobbs Disease

explain Anon... I don't watch Dobbs ... I did see him a few times on TV, but I don't fully understand the connection.

Craig, You were so interesting on Olberman. So many ideas though, I didn't know which one to latch on to. The curiosity is killing me.

Can you give us a better idea of what you believe would be the most likely reason for a strategic leak? I'm not buying the idea of it being to put pressure on her. And it seems kinda extreme, if they simply want her to not make demands. But it does make sense that they're floating the idea around to get a reaction, since that's what politicians always seem to do.

All of this still doesn't give us much to hang on to. Do you have a more specific opinion? And do you think Hillary is the most qualified, of the names being floated, for the Secretary of State job?

ET -
Taking up an issue or cause and grinding on it day after day. In Dobb's case it was, and still is immigration. Keith's doing the same thing with Hillary.
Plus being on cable news seems to do something to people's egos. The drive for ratings inflates those things something fierce. The Roman's had it right, when they had a slave on the back of the chariot whispering in the conquering general's ear :
" All fame is fleeting, a fame is fleeting"

Perhaps some intern every night needs to fill is duty.

chloe, and the good american that i am would like to know if the new 007 movie is worth paying at the box office, renting as a cd or just waiting for it to show up free on tcm.

so glad you're back.... you add a great deal to the warmth and soul in this otherwise cold,sterile lab.

Posted by: patd | November 15, 2008 5:28 AM

chloe, and the good american that i am would like to know if the new 007 movie is worth paying at the box office, renting as a cd or just waiting for it to show up free on tcm. patd 5:28 AM

Ha, Pat. You may be asking the wrong person. Daniel Craig (and James Bond) can do no wrong, where I'm concerned.

It's a lot more of an action movie this time, and a good one. But it is slightly different than the previous ones (can't put my finger on it.) We enjoyed it a lot, but we're real movie buffs. Seeing a movie on TV is not the same experience as seeing it in the theatre, imo. It's a whole different experience. So I'd never wait for the video on any movie, if it's something I want to see. :)

ps. Pat, thanks for that 6:37 post. Do you have more info. or is that the whole article?

man cannot live by bread alone......he must have peanut butter.
---Brother Dave Gardiner

Sturge, Brother Dave is right.
As long as I have some good bread and the right peanut butter, I'm happy. :)

Someone may have already mentioned this a few days ago. But it's nice to know there's an abundance of hope for the future.

Obama rides tide of public hopes, good will: poll
"– One week after his historic election, America's first black president-elect Barack Obama is riding on a tide of public confidence that he will improve the economy, government and race relations, a new poll showed Wednesday.

"American voters believe president-elect Barack Obama when he says, 'Yes we can'"..."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081112/pl_afp/uspoliticsobamapoll_081112161923

"...65% — said they think the country will be better off four years from now."

"The reception he's getting is unlike anything we've seen in decades," ....."It's a very high set of expectations to live up to. On the upside, it means people are going to be pulling for him."

"A lower level of optimism greeted President Bush and former president Bill Clinton when they were first elected......"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-11-10-poll-obama_N.htm?csp=34

Dieu et mon peanut butter

MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina (CNN) – South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint on Friday became one of the first high-profile Republicans to publicly criticize John McCain following his electoral defeat, blaming the Arizona senator for betraying conservative principles in his quest for the White House.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/14/gop-senator-mccain-betrayed-republican-principles/

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" I'd really like to see more cowbell."

Flatus, Congratulations to you and Stinky on your new Great Grandchild! Proof that good things come to those who deserve them. :)

Chole -

There's also this about the Obama win -

Obama has more threats than other presidents-elect

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_obama_threats.html

Plus Gingrich was on Fox last night whipping up the lather , warning of the "Secular / homosexual fascism".

Thank you Chloe. We are indeed thankful for our good fortune.

These days, when Gingrich speaks, eyes glaze over. Even on Fox.

"Obama has more threats than other presidents-elect"

And I hope more security.
Why anyone would choose that life, I can't imagine.

Keeping allies close and rivals closer: May be M.O. for Obama White House.

" -- They were bitter rivals during the campaign, but the newly elected U.S. president from Illinois said all along he wasn't looking for a team of allies.

"These are the most able men in the country," Abraham Lincoln said of his new Cabinet. "I'm going to need them by my side."

The explanation may be a century and a half old, but its logic is in vogue with President-elect Barack Obama, who is strongly considering his chief Democratic rival and several other former adversaries to play key roles in his administration.

Sen. Hillary Clinton could even be tapped to serve as Obama's secretary of state, a choice that would closely parallel Lincoln's appointment on that most crucial of choices for a wartime president."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/

Now I need to get some work done. Have a good one all.

Craig.....
sexy looking tie..... it looked to be either deep pink or violet..... either way it looked good on you....

Flatus.... you and Stinky have a new great grandchild..... congrats!

I love Newty..... he's so much fun to make fun of....

Portal to Maya "Hell" Found in Mexico?

According to Maya myth, the souls of the dead had to follow a dog with night vision on a horrific and watery path and endure myriad challenges before they could rest in the afterlife. ................
"Everything is related to death, life, and human sacrifice."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081110-maya-road-to-hell.html

Speaking of Lou Dobbs...or rather, of anti-immigrant hysteria...I'm concerned that my Mexican neighbors down the street appear to have vanished. The children-- about seven of them -- always trick or treated me, and they were a nice bunch of kids. Only one spoke English, but he spoke for the rest. The kids never showed up on Halloween. It then occurred to me that I hadn't seen them outside for a few days. Now, the house seems deserted. But I never saw anyone in the process of moving. I hope something ugly didn't happen. Like the INS.

Chris Rea - Road to Hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBw_da7BZk

Anon -- I read that road to hell story the other day. Would love to see it in person. I visited the ruins of a coliseum where they pointed out the tunnels that both Christian and lion were sent into the arena....it was very nearly a supernatural experience. Much like the feeling I had in the old Syrian fort, Nimrod's outpost in the Golan Heights.

Thank you Renee!

"At least 110 banks have requested about $220 billion from the Treasury Department’s rescue fund,"

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

LOL
Who do they think they are?
Farmers?

Jack

Sturg :

The Beat Farmers -

Riverside

http://favtape.com/artist/beat+farmers/play/The_Beat_Farmers/Riverside

Patsi -
.it was very nearly a supernatural experience.

Same deal here :

http://www.k-state.edu/audubon/archaeoastronomy/fajada_view_7067.jpg

Main page for this guy

http://www.k-state.edu/audubon/archaeoastronomy/

Where is the comment about Palin, you folks are falling down on the job.

Palin, Palin, Palin

There that should do it until you all get wound up

Jack

Tragically Hip - New Orleans Is Sinking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-x9H6lfMs

INS is now called ICE, immigration control and enforcement. Kind of cold, huh.

Where is the comment about Palin, you folks are falling down on the job.

Palin, Palin, Palin

There that should do it until you all get wound up

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack | November 15, 2008 9:04 AM

Jack...I think you found the reason for the leak...more press for Obama and Clinton during the week of Palin, Palin, Palin. Trumped a girl with a woman.

Or perhaps, it was part of the deal Bill cut with Barack over lunch...dump bill of new mexico for SOS and replace with hillary of new york.

When one has to turn in a 70,000 word manuscript, how much does "a" , "the" , "to" ..... etc. count for ?

Are they like proportional ?
Is "the" 25 % of a word ?

I gotta think that "egg tempera" is worth more than "it" and "so".

Morning all...

Good Carton on the link. Thanks Jack....

Now add big corp's that have big finance that made them fat and happy for awhile

I understand now that ge is in the line

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173465

Jack -

I'm getting my barge inflated.

Do you think that Barack was really thinking of Bill Richardson... NO WAY.

Barack is to smart to have someone like that in his inner circle

and the Kerry thing was just to throw the old timers that did not make the inner circle, with the one or two new people, a bone

Barack is keeping his word to bring change and new to Washington

"Main page for this guy

http://www.k-state.edu/audubon/archaeoastronomy/"

GREAT link -- I saved it in my history folder. Thanks.

Ping -
Richardson is going to the DOE.
New Mexico = Energy

anon......ha.......thanks, the beat farmers got nice stuff.....

250 words to a page, right? every so many letters is a word.....averages out.......

dim memory of counting words lost in the mists

What is a "Mrs. Foggybottom"?

Patsi -
I think he's put up more stuff since that was done.

Chaco is one hell of a place, the size of the thing is mind boggling, I've been to lots of ruins, nothing comes close to Chaco.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173454

That should please GORDO... It's his ilk that keep the manchurian chatter going which unhinges the fringes of society.

Why don't you lay off Gordo when he's not here, Tom?

Why don't you lay off me when I'm here or not Champ? It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

enabler!

Anon -- I hate to even broach this, but I do believe that time exists as energy, and the energy of past peoples is happening even as is our own. Several places have left me with the feeling that if I just turn fast enough, I'll catch them.

Craig, time to hire Patsi.

So I'll take Gordo's name out of the discussion, though people like him are, in my opinion, a big part of the problem. A customer was in my gas station two days after Barack Obama won and she was thrilled, like so many around here. She even picked up a special report magazine on the Obama win. Anyway, a friend of mine was standing behind the the counter and she commented on how happy she was. Chris said "yes but I hope he doesn't get assassinated". Now to understand Chris is to understand that he is not really well educated but seems to go along with the topic of the day. The customer runs a holistic health shop, massage oils... herbs and so forth. she said "U mag dat niet zeggen!"

which means "You cannot say that!". I looked at her and at Chris and she explained that too many people repeat this because people are afraid of Obama being assassinated. She then says to Chris, "you must not say these things because it creates the environment for it to happen. The more people repeat fears of threats, or demonize the person, the more it can become a likelihood. I guess she was saying that negativity, no matter how the person means it, contributes to the energy flow around us and such energy is very powerful. Sort of like when journalists go on "feeding frenzies"... their energy partially creates a "reality"... certainly a change in the life flows...

I was glad Chris was told not to say it, though I don't think he understood at all. I cannot tell you how many people came into my shop to say they hoped Obama is not assassinated. I kept reassuring them that security for the POTUS is very strong, much different than in Kennedy's day and we can all share the optimism of this President not only surviving, but excelling... for the USA, for Europe, for the world.

Anon - you seem to be very on the spot with Energy issues. Do you think that such an important matter should be in the lead of Bill Richardson?
I do not know that much about him but I find him to be more of a political hack then a leader of something of this critical importance.

Can you see him and Hillary at the table - good thing Barack will be sitting between

Be honest!
What did you get wrong and right about the election --
I think we can all say --we thought the Democrat would win!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/11/15/8519/7218

Patsi -

There's a scientific explanation for that -

Quantum Mechanics

Makes my head spin every time I try to understand it.

Champ, I didn't mean to snap at you... if you are still around.

and even if you aren't still around, i didn't mean to snap at you :-)

I thought Barack was going to select the best and brightest?

What is happening?

Anon - Factors of e !

Exactly why he is considering Hillary Ping...

Ping -
If I remember correctly Richardson had the DOE job before, and with Obama's commitment to a Greening Energy future, it seems he'll get something along those lines. New Mexico has a boat load of that stuff up and running, plus it's home to a big oil and gas business, and all the big bomb ( nuclear ) labs.

ET - answer a question with a question... Why?

Hillary I have limited argument as with her you get a package - and pillow talk (do you think they still share a bed?)

Barack is not bringing Change and Fresh face.... He is caving in now that he has moved on up.

Today's thread on The BackChannel Blog

Empathy

http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

I didn't answer a question with a question Ping. I pointed out that Hillary is one of the best... and thus the reason she is being seriously considered.

Anon - CORRECT.. !!

Plus is Richardson the one that put Barack in the speaker slot at the 2004 Dem Convention?

Again - I truly do not know that much about him and his knowledge and understanding -- just that he seems to be the ultimate Political player - No idea what common sense and innovation he would bring to the table...

But based on this quick research looks like Barack owes him polyfavor

The news is looking good in Alaska !!!

Now President-elect Obama needs to campaign in Georgia and HOPEFULLY Al Franken will take back Paul Wellstone's Senate seat from my original home state of Minnesota...

Ping -
Plus Obama owes Richardson, he's holding several Obama chits. Richardson's not dumb.

That was John Kerry I believe Ping...

Ahh ET - Got it - I did not see or did see the coma

And agree of the choice', she is the best - and her name will open doors.

Good for Hillary, Maybe good for our country -

Who is Healthcare?

I read that Obama is looking at appointing Tammy Duckworth to an important role, perhaps head of Veteran Affairs? I really like her ! She has fought so hard for the USA and I never have seen her complain or be bitter (and if it were me I'd be both!). I think she has a bright future and I wish her all the best.

Kerry gave Obama the keynote slot in 2004, as the nominee it was Kerry's to offer.

X-Rep; I've really enjoyed the Jesus and taxes discussion; Not only have the original gospels likely changed for audiences, but the four gospels themselves are written for different reasons and to different audiences. I happen to like Mark's gospel. It was the first written, the shortest, and just tells the story - bang! And I didn't mean to imply that Jesus was pro-taxes. He made a snide comment about those questioning him... that if they traded in Roman coins, then the Romans had every right to tax them.

OK, thank you. Glad I decided not to submit my retort.

In 2003, Richardson backed and signed legislation creating a permit system for New Mexicans to carry concealed handguns. He applied for and received a concealed weapons permit, though by his own admission he seldom carries a gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson

Patsi----your 9:41 post

Patsi---you just described little of string theory----and a diff dimensions------time is probably the most important science that has been studied since man became aware of it---there is an excellent 4 part series on the science channel.

Healthcare... that would be H.H.S right?

I've read that Tom Daschle is interested and has some health policy background...

heck for that matter who would be Surgeon General? I wouldn't mind a liberal Republican holding this position... Someone who is sensible and fair, who will speak the truth about health and safety and will continue to battle against disease and epidemics.

"Today's thread on The BackChannel Blog
Empathy"

Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 15, 2008 10:08 AM

Brian, are you bringing in a trained facilitator?

On this day in history in 1777 the members of the Continental Congress adopted the Articles of Confederation

http://www.reference.com/thisday/index.html?m=11&d=15

Following the Revolutionary War, these were the law of the land until superseded by the Constitution.

Well Champ you are one up on me as I was sorry I did toss back my retort.

I'm betting on Dean for HHS.

X-Rep -
And I'm impressed you know your Renaissance Painting.

Who wants a free computer?

Ah, thanks for bringing that up, Anon, because he doesn't. Far be it from him to let reality get in the way of a good argument, though. That's quite a talent.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173443

ET

You just noticed? KO did nothing but rag on her throughout the whole primary season. If anything he was worse than Matthews (unbelievable I know) simply because of his vocabulary. His "Special Comment" to her was so over the top, atrocious, brutal and unfair in its accusations of racism that several of us wouldn't watch him for quite a while and no longer respect him at all.

Did any of you folks read this? I was quite moved by it.

My wife made me canvass for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.

By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html

"time is probably the most important science that has been studied since man became aware of it---there is an excellent 4 part series on the science channel."

Solar, do you know where I could order it?

Richardson's second book -

Leading by Example: How We Can Inspire an Energy and Security Revolution released October 2007

Review
"In his writing, he clearly demonstrates his knowledge of and familiarity with energy politics." (The Boston Globe, January 6, 2008)

http://www.amazon.com/Leading-Example-Inspire-Security-Revolution/dp/0470186372

Newt for Healthcare -

He is very active and one of the most studied and proressive to understand how to move forward.
He is also working across party lines.

http://www.healthtransformation.net/

yeah a man who serves his wife with divorce papers while she's in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery really understands the needs of the sick.

Champ -
What media was the Sistine Chapel painted with ?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173472

Anon, It is more along the lines of five letters = one word. Count all the letters and divide by 5 to get the number of words, so he needs 350,000 letters.

May contribution to the project:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

Repeat as needed, take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

May = My

medium, not media, classic frescoes are usually done in egg based tempera.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempera

Brain - I am not talking about John Edwards

I am bring up a name of one of the most active people in Innovative Healthcare reform

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173527

Mr Republican---you are half right about jesus---Tyleno------
some good points on jesus.

to unravel the complete riddle of jesus one must know how he and all MESSIAHS came to be---jesus was the person that fitted the needs of the jewish people-at that time---will talk about it later..so not to interrupt the am conversation .l

Champ -
What happened to Da Vinci's great horse ?

Gingrich has been married three times. He married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old (she was seven years his senior at 26 years old).[7][8] They had two daughters and divorced in 1980. It is alleged that while she was in the hospital recovering from surgery for uterine cancer, he appeared at her bedside with a yellow legal pad outlining the details for their divorce,[9] an action that would later be used against him: In 1992, his Democratic opponent,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

I just wanted to mention that it's 40 days until Christmas. I think I will put up decorations tomorrow.. I can't remember anymore when it is custom in the states. I know my Mom does hers early and certainly before Thanksgiving. Here, decorations are not supposed to go up until after "Sinterklaas" which is 6 December. I can't wait that long.. I love the decorations.

I really am a fag, aren't I? :D

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173522

Jamie I figured that KO would be done with that stuff the election at least!

Today - Newt is one of the most active, progressive, innovative, leaders in the advance of Healthcare reform to take us to a futue model that covers all with the most advances - lowering cost and improving quality.

I suggest to all - take a look at the site - and put aside the past for one min - and look at what can be found ....

And many Dems have signed on to join

http://www.healthtransformation.net/

that should have read .. AFTER the election... I really admire his commentary on Prop 8, but his comments on Hillary were not good, I think.

Patse

Patsi---i have them in my tivo that is all locked up---but will try to scratch that I WILL get that info for u,,,and also on string theory ---i know that u will like both of them very much-------but be very aware that once u start down this road u like me will never know what true reality is--------only ----TIME ------will tell,,hahahaha---wringing my hands like a witch and welcoming me next victim :-))

Brian -
If you're going to be doing Champ's homework , we'll never get him out of the 8th grade.

ET -I was in a mall this week in warm florida to hear the christmas music.... I think to early.

Stores are starting now.....

Most homes in our area start after Thanksgiving... We are the weekend after thanksgiving...

Off to chores and ride my bike...

Brain - sorry for the low blow on John Edwards - not for him but for his lovely wife, I hope they have resolved and true forgiveness.

Best to all

Shut up, Anon. You can't put people on the spot on the internet anyway, because they can just google "it", but eggs, like brian said, and he never built it. Why do you even want to mix it up with me anyway? I'm sick of fighting with strangers, but bait me enough, and yeah, maybe you'll get me to make an ass of myself. Is that all you have to do?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173482

ET

"Foggy Bottom" is one of the oldest districts of Washington DC built on a drained swamp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foggy_Bottom

The miasmic fogs are both natural and used as a reference for the clarity of thought (none) present in the residents.

Brian-----once had a cure for apathy-----i lost it and i don't care to find it again now

once last topic for further discussion.

Is this an auto bailout or the UAW bill to the dem party?

How will this help us get to a better energy use future?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122669115342629051.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

Healthcare and Energy?

Now to my bycicle it answers both -

"Doni Tondo". Google that, smart-ass.

Champ -
Now there's your problem, you throw lots of punches , but you got a glass jaw.

This place can give you a severe case of Deja Vu. Right after the primaries we were talking about Clinton as VP, SOS, or Supreme Court. There were a lot of references to "Team of Rivals" then. Once Biden was named as VP and Clinton went on the trail for Obama while saying she had no interest in the Supremes and giving every indication that she would just return to the Senate ("The Bloom where you are planted" remark)
Still she never said no to SOS.

Now we are back to having it all on TV with Doris Kearns Goodwin's book back at number one.

I would love to see Clinton as SOS. She and Biden would work well together while providing a Washington wise duo to advise Obama and free him up to bring in younger, newer people in other jobs.

I suppose Richardson has to get something since he is Hispanic, has expertise in several areas, and Obama owes him big time. The President Elect isn't likely to take my suggestion of dropping him over the side of the Grand Canyon.

Tammy Duckworth has been mentioned both for the VA and replacing Obama in the Illinois Senate seat. Since she is already doing the VA job on the state level, bringing her up to the national level makes sense, particularly since JJ Jr. wants the Senate.

Now to my bycicle it answers both -

Man on a bicycle the most efficient machine ever built.

I'll take it as a sign of respect that you take so much glee in seeing it broken. Go fuck yourself.

IMO we are going to continue having unconscionable gaps in healthcare for tens of millions of families until we have a single payer system. Pogo has said Medicare's administrative system is efficiently effective. I agree. Model a system for all on Medicare.

Jamie, I see no comparison at all between a state-level veterans organization and the DVA. The latter needs an administrator extraordinaire; Duckworth just isn't at that level.

I would be happier seeing her in the Senate than at the VA.

Champ -

Come back tomorrow we'll discuss how Brunelleschi managed the construction of the dome on the Basilica di Santa Maria del Fiore .

Flatus

Several of the models for a new health care system do have a Medicare type component while still using the Insurance companies. From what I've read and with ET's input the best options seem to be rather like Belgium's plan where businesses or individuals can buy in to any of the insurance plans or a government provided alternative and the government negotiates with insurance carriers on behalf of the citizens.

We really need to redo the drug program for seniors. How the Feds could create something that didn't negotiate the prices of drugs for Medicare when they do it for the VA is beyond me. Talk about corporate welfare.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173536

Oh yeah, big fag.

Anon wasn't the horse melted down to make cannons?

Brian -
It never got cast, those damn French got in the way.

It broke Leo's heart.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/obamas-leaky-transition.html#comment-173553

She seems to have the administrative expertise and the VA has a lot of career bureaucrats to assist with the minutia. The big plus would be for vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and seeing one of their own at the top of the food chain.

It would instill confidence since she would have a familiarity with their needs better than someone who hadn't been wounded. or through the system.

Also, she is multi racial with Asian ethnicity. It wouldn't be an "only" reason to hire her, but it helps when you are trying to design a cabinet that looks like America while getting a lot of brains and talent.

But it was recreated

Leonardo's Horse

http://www.leonardoshorse.org/

anon...patsi

you have my attention with Chaco Canyon...it is a most incredible area and although the main sites have been partly excavated, their are many sites on the old dirt roads that remain buried. If it is not raining, many of the arroyos lead to minor sites in the huge ancient communication system. A person could spend a lifetime studying there. There is a documentary about time and Chaco Canyon with Robert Redford as narrator. I may have recorded it at one time.

Speaking of fags & the Renaissance

No fags No Renaissance

You sure it wasn't some frisky choir boy who broke Leo's heart?

Sun Dagger

http://www.rock-art.com/books/sofaer1.htm

Jamie, I don't recall whether you are under Medicare yet, so I'll assume not. Medicare does integrate with private insurers that supplement the basic Medicare coverages. In their 2009 pamphlet 'Medicare & You' there are almost 20 pages of insurers registered as supplemental carriers just for South Carolina. The tables in the Medicare pamphlet detail the coverages, the costs involved, and user ratings of the plans.

The Belgian system seems to be similar to the plan for government employees. The plan can be frightfully expensive for high levels of coverage.

I agree with your appreciation of the Part D Medicare drug benefit.

There was no Mrs. Donatello

Champ- Do you have a free computer ?

My son fixes up old computers and gives them to kids that need them. It is easier with macs , but he canget a pc going too as long as he installs linux. So if anyone has any old computers around please let me know.

The success for America - and the big global ball is not in rearrangement of our current economic failure.

But to advance the technology for both Energy and Healthcare. And our individual behavior !

ENERGY and HEALTHCARE are the two most important sectors - as drivers both individual, society - gov't and corp.

Great to talk about how it is funded but lets put focus on funding a more efficient delivery and use. Now that will make a difference

Anon - Common Ground?

back to chores

Blonde -

The Redford PBS show was really good, my personal belief is that Chanco is tied-up with the Aztec migration . A small splinter group maybe .
The Aztecs appear in central Mexico about the same time as the 4 Corners blossoming , all that is known about them was that "they came from the north."

Anon - Common Ground?

You bet.

One of my favorite Republican talking points has always been the one about having the Government in the room with the Doctor & Patient.
( This is BAD )

But they never mentioned the Insurance guy standing there with his clip board and calculator.

anon...there is a little town called aztec (north of Chaco and close to Farmington)..an area of many religious kivas. It is a wonderful 'corner' of New Mexico. The drive from east of the Zuni res contains many interesting areas. It is starting to get too cold in that area for my taste...best time to visit, IMO, is September. There is a rock formation/wall in Chaco canyon that is filled with bees...when you walk below the huge wall, you can hear the hum of millions of bees. The wall is peppered with tiny holes in the rock face. A very spiritual place indeed.

Champ -
This one's for you :
The Boxer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUCoJJS2DU

Flatus

Yes I'm on Medicare courtesy of disability and see the medical bills with the payments and deductions plus having a monthly fee deducted from the SSI check and paying a copay. It works really well for me because I am in Tacoma which has an excellent Community Health system of participating physicians and an excellent hospital complex if needed without having to go long distances.

chloe, this is the link to the segment that jeff brown did on the economic summit. you'll want to scroll down to the panel of experts for the entire discussion with ferguson.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/g20summit_11-14.html

the prof's epithet lame W duck appeals to my twisted sense of humor. he'd make a good guest for the talking heads... has a certain charisma. imus might even like him.

"I can't wait that long.. I love the decorations.

I really am a fag, aren't I? :D"

Tom....I already haver my Christmas decorations up....does that make me a faggette? :)

Blonde -

I know that country well, but I never stumbled on the bee cliffs.
Another great visit is the Salinas Unit ; The Gran Quivira, and the church at Abó near Mountainair .

http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/salinas.html

April when the walking stick cactus are in bloom.

"---i have them in my tivo that is all locked up---but will try to scratch that I WILL get that info for u,,,and also on string theory"

I don't have tivo....does that make a difference, or can it be transferred. (I don't even know how tivo works...)

Well this post's title is starting to read :

Obama's Leaky Transmission

Patsi -
Watch The Elegant Universe (3 hours)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

anon...I have been there. On the road to Moutainair there used to have a life size strawman in shirt, hat, boots and pants hung by the elbows to a post. Looked pretty lifelike and fooled me the first time I saw it. Really nice two lane highways in this part of the state. So unpopulated.

Imagining Other Dimensions
by Rick Groleau
The Elegant Universe homepage

For most of us, or perhaps all of us, it's impossible to imagine a world consisting of more than three spatial dimensions. Are we correct when we intuit that such a world couldn't exist? Or is it that our brains are simply incapable of imagining additional dimensions—dimensions that may turn out to be as real as other things we can't detect?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/dimensions.html

craig, imho the leak is timed to take advantage of the summit visitors in town. they (the foreign vips) will mutter pro or con about it over coffee and cocktail, the msm will bring it up in interviews with them... much sexier topic than the economy... and all the feedback will be distilled by the transition team.

if hrc does take sos, is it likely that gov paterson will appoint the aa lady that was originally running before hillary got into the ny sen race? heard good things about her.

Thanks for the string theory links...I knew I wasn't crazy when I felt like I could reach out and touch another world.

"...does that make me a faggette? :)"

patsi, that's better than being called an old baguette.

it's sad tho' not to see thanksgiving decorations.... all those dour pilgrims, helpful indians and scared turkeys all over the place. with this recession depression mood however we still have scared turkeys in the form of retailers in the stores.

Blonde -
One more great old church in ruins, and a restored kiva that's really nice Pecos :
http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/pecos.html

When I first entered that kiva, it hit me that they weren't used for what the anthropologists have always claimed. IE the religious stuff. They're boys clubs, they're a place for the guys to hang out, and complain about the women . ( For those who don't know, many of the southwestern pueblos were matriarchies. ) Swap stories, and teach the little kids how to make moccasins.

Patsi -

No Quantum Mechanics / No Magnetic Resonance Imaging

Dave Berry on Book TV -

"Florida , you can't spell it with out 'da' ."

"The latter needs an administrator extraordinaire; Duckworth just isn't at that level."

flatus, what about max cleland? his prior experience with the va and his 14 yrs as ga's sos should make him worthy of consideration. i also prefer duckworth in the senate... course, jesse senior would provide a bit more color excitement-wise (no pun intended).

btw, a grand child denotes grand parents. great grand ones too. congratulations.

The leaks do seem strange after his campaign. I don't see how the Clintons can pass a vetting, especially for SoS.

"I don't see how the Clintons can pass a vetting"

ami, why? they both have high level clearances don't they? they have good contacts and past dealings with foreign heads, she's been on relevant senatorial committees, there are no criminal charges out there. and btw, it's hrc, not wjc, whose name is being floated.

If I was president, I would accidently on purpose 'leak' things all the time, just to see what the public reaction would be. At any time, the Obama camp could say 'oh no, no,no. We were not considering Hillary.' Then someone else could be 'leaked' until the right person for the right situation is mentioned and then they could say 'Oh yes, that's who we were thinking of the whole time.' Manipulation at it's best.

patd- I've heard 'Bill Clinton' more than once this morning from the mouths of the pundints. See above.

Patsi----

Thanks for the string theory links...I knew I wasn't crazy when I felt like I could reach out and touch another world

actually it does,,,especially if you can touch----this and the experiences that u have had,means to me that u are sensitive to time

patsi ---tivo is a recording devise that can record on average about 80 hrs of programing -----it cost about 11-12 bucks per month---i have recorded about 800 hours,,,on all subjects-----you can program it by name of subject that u want to see,,or be name---for example my wife loves elvis movies---so i program it by putting elvis---it will record on its own forever, until i stop it ,,,could be in one hour from when u programed it or six months,,,it never forgets

About the elegant universe it is at least 3 years old--but a very good read and or tape,,,after you watch it u will know that there are unlimited dimensions in time, all fabric of life is vibrations that we touch but cannot see, by altering time we will be able to somewhat,,,,but your first inclination of energy is correct as far as i know,,,a good example is that if u are on a platform waiting for a train to board,,,is the time for u the same time for the ones inside the train,,,no
another is the lights in a saw mill makes a moving saw blade look like its standing still--and off comes off that middle index finger that u like to use:-)this why they use a diff type of lighting system....but over all times is of the most important factor in all that we do and not aware of-------the west could not have been conquered with out the timing of the trains that went back and forth---they would have crashed,,,,but any way u will love watching the series...

Patsi-----i will also dig up some stuff on taped info of cosmology that makes it all come together -------these are the things that i have been talking about when i say the that we are connected to only one universe(yes expanding) one earth etc,etc

JESUS

I have lost many members of my family to religion,,,,this why i have compiles much info as i can,,,,at first to understand what the attraction about religion,,,but now to get them back---or stop from losing more of them--here we go,,, from the beginng as i understand it all, from a diff sources---if you just go by the bible,,it is not enough.

There is a resemblance between cargo cults and early christian beliefs....jesus predicted the down fall of the wicked, justice for the poor, the end of misery and suffering, reunion with the dead, and a whole new divine kingdom,,,,cargo cults are not i repeat the same,,they are very similar in lots of ways ----they can help us to understand the conditions responsible for the origin of our own religious lifestyles?

Jesus was not interested in the overthrow of any specific political system,,,he was above politics---his kingdom being not of this world. when the first christians spoke of battles against the wicked, their swords,fires, and victories--were mere earthbound metaphors for transcendental spiritual events...at least that is what almost everybody believes the original jesus cult was all about.

like i said jesus is all a part of a design--it seems impossible that a lifestyle, so devoted to peace, love,and selflessness , could have been in any fundamental sense a product of definite material conditions......yet like said this riddle like all others has a solution, in the practical affairs of peoples and natiions.----2 riddles need to be considered,,,,christianity first came about (arose) first among jews living in palestine,,,,,,a belief in the coming of a savior called a messiah-----a god who would look like a man----was an important feature of judaism at the time of christ,,,,,the followers of jesus were jews(almost all) believed that jesus was this savior-----
christ---is derived from Krystos,,,which was the way jews referred to their hoped-for savior when speaking Greek..

the basis of the jewish belief in a messiah,,,,is that all ancient people believed that battles could not be won without divine assistance,,to win an empire, or just to survive as an independent state,,they needed warriors with whom ancestors, angles, or gods were willing to cooperate,,,,,,,,DAVID---- the founder of the first jewish empire------more to come

aha! eureka! the geeks have saved the day re thread's theme: "leaky abstractions" as in the law that all non-trivial abstractions, to some degree, are leaky.

"From the perspective of Spolsky's Law of Leaky Abstractions, all non-trivial abstractions resist complete implementation by their very nature. Consequently, implementation details will always leak through, regardless of how well-conceived, and no matter how rigorously they attempt to faithfully represent the abstraction. Sometimes the leaks are minor, other times they are significant, but they will always be present, because there is no such thing as a perfect implementation of an abstraction.

In this context, the term isn't a misnomer, since it applies to all implementations of all abstractions.

It is most likely this notion Spolsky intended to convey by expressing the viewpoint as a "law" and attributing the "leakiness" to abstractions, rather than to imprecise implementations." [wiki]

now if that doesn't fit this recent leak phenom from our new obama nation, nothing does.

solar
your being very philosophical today
deep' very deep
my brain hurts

well, folks, time to start gathering some words in for craig's daily quota.

my contribution today:

phantasmagoric.

Solar: You need to tell me a good joke. One of my chinchillas died in my arms yesterday, and I'm pretty sad. Your jokes always make me smile.

"patsi, that's better than being called an old baguette."

patd -- ROFL -- you made my day with that one!

Posted by: patd | November 15, 2008 1:16 PM

Pat, I don't think veterans, as a group, were enthralled with Cleland.

It's nice if they have someone who's served; it's even nicer if the person is competent. Having someone who is profoundly disabled tends to place the focus on that individual's disability rather than the VA mission.

Regrettable as each Iraq/Afghanistan injury is, and how it affects the vet and the vet's family, the public and the director must realize that those vets are a relatively small subset of disabled veterans--many of whom are being under treated.

The president must be the cheerleader for disabled veterans; the director must be the administrator extraordinaire.

Thanks for the congrats, Pat.

Rosie -- very sorry about the chinchilla. I have a link for you to check out -- it may make you feel better. In case you aren't familiar with him, Kinky Friedman is a singer/songwriter, turned mystery novelist. He ran for Gov. of Texas last election cycle.

http://www.utopiarescue.com/epilogue.htm

Jesus--continued

Davis claimed to be in divine partnership with the jewish god Yahweh,,,a term that also applies to priest, shields, davids predecessor saul, and david's son solomon,,,so messiah originally meant any person or thing possessing great holiness and sacred power,,,david was also called the anointed one---the one, who by collaboration with jahweh,,was entitled to rule over jahwehs earthly domains(jesus was used for this purpose---but if he was born from a virgin--how was he related to david?? his father joseph had the blood line,,but)---the name david meaning great commander was given to him to celebrate his rise to power---victories on the battlefield was the inspiration ---the life plan for the ideal jewish military messianic career.....he was born in BETHLEHEM??--his real name was Elhanan ben JESSE??--,,he was the outlaw leader of a guerrilla monement in the judean desert (possibly the first terrorist??) he located his headquarters in a cave and achieved his victories against seemingly great odds---the fight against Goliath---could they have jesus in mind for something similar?--cos the jewish priests insisted down to the time of jesus that jahweh had made a covenant with david,,,jahewh had promised david that his dynasty would never end,,,,a big lie Nebuchadnezzar captured jerusalem in 586 b.c. and deported large numbers of jews to babylonia,,, afterwards the jewish state resumed a precarious existence as the dependent client of one or another imperial power--u see there is a need for a non peaceful jesus---the jews want it all back------what jahweh told moses----was that the jewish people would rule over nations but none would rule over them,,,,yet jahwehs promised land was an unlikely spot from which to launch the conquest of the world---for one thing it was a military thruway--the main corridor along which all the imperial armies of asia, africa and europe chased each other to and from egypt..nothing in palestine could take root,,,it was stamped out by some million-footed monster of any army passing in one direction or the other,..egytiansAssyrians, babylonians, persians greeks and romans whent back and forth,,,,,,,,These experiences placed a considerable strain on the credibility of jahwehs sacred books and his remnant priesthood ( you bet the need a jesus by now huh--but one that will fight and give them what is theres by divine right)

Why had jahweh permitted so many nations to become great while his chosen people were repeatedly conquered and enslaved(sounds like the bible? with no bs?) this was the great mystery that the jewish holy men and prophets kept trying to dcipher-----jahweh would send another (jesus) military prince like david,,messiah, anointed one, to destroy the enemy nations,,,and so the old testment teem with the promises of redemptive prophets---isaiah, heremiah,ezekiel,micah,zechariah, and others---allurging or sanctioning the adoption of a military- messianic lifestyle-----more to come

thank you (sniffle)

Ok ill stop for now

Rosie--im so sorry----hope this helps

Louisiana
A senior at LSU was overheard saying... 'When the end of the world comes,
I hope to be in Louisiana .' When asked why, he replied he'd rather be in
Louisiana because everything happens in Louisiana 20 years later than in
the rest of the civilized world.

Rosie--one more----i wll give u a real good one later---

A Plane is about to crash. There are 5 passengers on board, but there are only 4 parachutes.
The first passenger says: "I'm Ronaldo, the best football player in the world. The football world needs me, and I can not die on my fans."
He grabs the first parachute and jumps out off the plane.
The second passenger, Hillary Clinton says: "I'm the wife of former President of USA; I'm the senator of New York and I have a good chance of being President of the USA in future."
She grabs a parachute and jumps out off the plane.
The third passenger, George W. Bush, says: "I'm the president of USA. I have a huge responsibilities in the world. Besides, I am the smartest president in the history of my county and can't shun the responsibility to my people by dying."
He grabs a pack and jumps out off the plane.
The fourth passenger, The Pope, says to the fifth passenger, a young school boy:" I am old. I have lived my life as a good person as a priest should and so I shall leave the last parachute t