Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

As goes Dixville Notch, NH, so goes the nation!

Obama -15, McCain-6

The time for voting has begun, and the Senate races in 2008 appear to be a mixed bag. Of the 31 races this year, the Intrade 2008 Senate race markets predict Republicans should win 14 races, while the Democrats are predicted to win in 19 states. The races in Georgia and Minnesota are still too close to call. Finally, Intrade traders predict Libby Dole will lose her Senate seat in North Carolina.

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

It's true...the harbinger has sung! DIXVILLE NOTCH, New Hampshire (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama emerged victorious in the first election returns of the 2008 presidential race, winning 15 of 21 votes cast in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire.

Five and a half hours 'til I leave for the polls...I figure a half hour wait before they open is better than a two-hour wait after they open.

"Hockey Mama for Obama"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9BmNuqeiQ

LOL

tt

Though Dixville Notch has given Barak Obama an overwhelming victory, the Intrade.com Presidential State Futures markets suggest the election may not be an Obama landslide in the rest of the nation. Though Obama is predicted to win enough states to win the election, trading in eight states is still too close to call. Unfortunately for John McCain, even if he picks up all the undecided states, the total number of Electoral College votes would not be enough for him to win the election.

Nevada and Virginia are the two Obama-predicted states that have the least amount of Obama trader support. For John McCain to win, he would not only have to win all the states which are still too close to call, both Nevada and Virginia, and at least one Obama-held state that has a minimum of six Electoral College votes. States to watch would be some combination of Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Pennsylvania, or New Hampshire.

Not impossible, but as we say in Iowa, it would be a "long row to hoe."

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

Dex, based on what's been going on around the country, I'd plan on two hours if you go before the polls open, and six hours if you go afterwards. Even here in Iowa, the home of the 14-minute average commute, waiting times for early voting have been pushing two hours....

How did that count in Dixville Notch get out?

Forgot to wish everyone a happy Election Day!

And by the way, only 1,461 days until the 2012 Election!!!

They carried the Dixville Notch voting and vote counting live on TV. I suspect they have some sort of special dispensation to announce the results as they do in the New Hampshire primary.

The Disenfranchisement Begins...

"Republican attorneys challenged the absentee ballots of 50 Grinnell College students today, an act that could have an impact on the battle for control of the Iowa House of Representatives...

Poweshiek County Auditor Diana Dawley said the ballots were challenged on the grounds that the students do not reside at the address they listed when they registered to vote...

The students registered to vote at 1115 8th Ave., which is the address on campus where they receive mail. However, it is not the physical address of their dormitories, Dawley said, which brought on the challenges.

The Grinnell College Campus Democrats claimed in an online posting that students who voted early at satellite voting stations were told by Poweshiek County elections officials to register in that way because the inability of students to receive mail at their physical address made it difficult to produce proof of residency.

http://iowaindependent.com/8068/students-face-ballot-challenges-in-battleground-district

Night all...enjoy the madness!

Spike's right...I am leaving earlier than I had planned. We used to vote right across the street at a church...then they pushed us out to the edge of town...now we vote outside the city limits in a rural church. Only the heartiest person would walk that far, and it's terribly dangerous to ride a bicycle on that road...if you can't drive or get a ride you essentially are disenfranchised and cannot vote. This small city has no pub-trans and one beater taxicab . This was done when Kenneth Blackwell (R) was Sec'y of State, and the Strickland bunch hasn't fixed it. We also have only half the poling places we used to have. I am leaving for the polls at 5:00 for the 6:30 opening.

Good Morniug from Amsterdam.
I am wishing all the voters today all the best.

I hope you follow your hearts and be courageous. Vote for a human being who best represends you and not a party. Be an individual, don´t jump on any bandwagon.
It is YOU who makes the choice....

After that, sit back....Give praise to God and WORK! It is our only chance at prosperity.....
Don´t forget what my tennis instructor said: Change is YOU!

Happy Votes all........ :-)

KGC - not a very long ballot for me this year in Rincon Valley, but oh - the importance of some of the votes!!!!!!

I would hate to see Tina Fey as Sarah Palin for four years, not to mention Sarah Palin herself! - and 8! - and no rail service!

"Vote for a human being"

What, I can't write in my dog!

"Barack Obama saved his biggest Virginia rally for last -- a jam-packed event in Manassas with 90,000 people reportedly in attendance. . .

Obama ended the event on Tuesday by telling the crowd: "In 21 hours, if you are willing to endure rainfall, to take the person who was not going to vote to the polls, if you will stand with me in a fight with me, I know that your voice will matter.

I have one question for you, Virginia. Are you fired up? Are you ready to go? Fired up? Ready to go? Fired up! Ready to go! Virginia, let's go change the world!"

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_closes_with_fired_up_rea.html

Today's the Day! I am heading out to open my precinct. Will check back later.

Don't forget to pick up a free coffee at Starbucks after you vote.

Best of luck to everyone and remember to Vote Kindly!
votekindly.org

~Alicia

Dear PUMA's - Nothing has changed but a few have thrown in the towel - the only movement is in Words just Words -

The facts of before continue to be the facts of the day.

Off to vote - Join the silent that make the difference.

tis the day of elections
and all will be there,
the cameras and newsmen
with neatly coiffed hair

the pols have been polled,
their futures' been told.....

and somebody help me this poem unfold!

.....continuing patd......

The words of ancestors will finally come true
Out of the sky...something true blue

But will it be the messiah
or will it be a fluke
I have forwarned
Something old, always brings something new.....

TBC (To be Continued)

[contd from jason]

I have forwarned
Something old, brings something new

how it affects me
and how it affects you
of course will depend
on what we do.

meter correction?

how it affects me
and how it affects you
of course will depend
on what we two do.

And thats is the key
between you and me

Following no 44
with everything we have and more
Trying to turn this country around
From a past that was not sound......

A little votin' music -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgECKj9LSH4

that's funny......i had thought the times they were a'changing way back when I first heard that song....forty sump'm years ago.........

not "ha ha" funny......."odd" funny........

corey - Happy B'day!

everybody else - Happy 'lection Day!

The countdown to 2012 starts...tomorrow?

Looks like a blowout to me. I just wish my daughter in Ohio didn't love voting on election day. Bet she wishes she'd have gone the early voting route.....

Very busy at Ward #2 in Nashua. Over 45 minutes wait, which is the longest in the 16 years I have voted there. And that includes adding 2 more registrars to speed up the check-in process. When I left the line was just as long and more people were streaming in.

I don't want to get my hopes up again..... but am I ever hoping for a public Republican spanking!.....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COREY!
may you always be 39......

Morning Joe -

Mary Matlin fires up the wood chipper !!!!!

Click those ruby slippers Mary .

The minute they announced Matlin coming up, I switched to C-Span....

Bow -- do you print books for Hachette? (Center Street)

Happy Birthday Corey -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4SLSlSmW74

Film at 11 ! or is it at 7?

But heck everyone has declared Barack - it is over.

The McCain people and the silent ones will go to make sure it is not a landslide.

The Barack people already have their numbers

Patsi,

I think we do, if it is a hardcover book, it would be done at one of our other plants.

It's Walter Cronkite's birthday as well .

Ah -- rats, mine's hardcover. Was hoping you'd be on it, and I could get you to autograph one for me!!!!

PS, Bow -- since you see so many covers -- I'd love to get your reaction to this one. if you email me at balecos at aol dot com, I'll send you a mock up.

oofs, Bow -- that would be balecox....not "cos"

I am truly the Queen of typos this morning...

Walter Cronkite !

I had the pleasure to spend time one on one with him, a real gentleman - talked to a young kid. It was on a flight to Orlando on Eastern Airlines - He was coming to record voice overs for the attractions. Talked about his sailing - just an overall discussion.

His style is gone.....or at best hard to find - certainly not on Cable Entertainment

"the silent ones"

Mutes for McCain - now there's an untapped voting block.

Anon - I was thinking a little more creepy then that.... Just imagine at night - the silent ones - they know where you live !!!

AHahhhhhhh

Ping -

Common ground

Jamie -- the only prediction I have is that I can go to bed by 8:30 knowing who won....:)

Ping -
The dead always vote Democratic.

Off to the evil corp world as defined by Barack...

Working hard for innovation, jobs and good corp citizenship - will we still can......

Otherwise if Barack wins - continue to hope he keeps changing

good luck to all regardless of which Barack you are voting for.....

The undead will be running the Republican Party.

Anon - Common Ground? Walter Cronkite?

If so I have always listed him as the most important person I have had the pleasure to talk with.

Thanks for pointing to his birthday

Off to work...

Zombies for Romney

Oh, Ping, Ping, you still believe Barack ain't in the tank with big business? That's like believing his FISA vote didn't let telecom off the hook.

But the good news is, he isn't a Republican....

Ping -

Make lots of money. Walter needs the Social Security.

tis a bad day to be a republican.

Walter doesn't need Social Security. He needs to "spread it around"; meaning his private hoard of money.

so fair and foul a day I have not seen........

On This Day In History Will Rogers was born in Indian Territory (Oklahoma)

In honor of the man who was one of wisest and funniest Presidential Candidates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVGZSvIJLNs

Forty-six percent of likely voters now say having Palin on the ticket makes them less likely to support McCain -- up 14 points in just the past month and more than double what it was in early September. And among those who call the candidates' age an important factor in their vote, more, 61 percent, say Palin makes them less likely to back McCain.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=6166666&page=1

Jamie -- as was my mother....born in Indian Territory, Oklahoma....

Happy Birthday Corey!

Go Democrats - super majority in congress Dump Joe Loserman!

"Forty-six percent of likely voters now say having Palin on the ticket makes them less likely to support McCain -- up 14 points in just the past month and more than double what it was in early September. "

But without her that base would not be backing McCain. She more than made up the loss of indies...I think they were always going to vote for Obama anyway.

"Dump Joe Loserman!"

Hear, hear! KGC!

so fair and foul a day I have not seen........

Amen

My son in Dc got to the polls just before they opened, waited thirty minutes, but when he came out there wasn't much of a line. He said DC is a relatively easy place to vote.

Patsi,

My two eldest uncles had birth certificates reading "IT". The next seven children including my mother had ones reading State of Oklahoma.

For all people on this day sitting around with their fingers crossed: A Reminder

"Life contains but two tragedies. One is not to get your heart's desire; the other is to get it."

George Bernard Shaw

Corey...have fun today running around in your birthday suit. I am off to work and ready for a night....Brokaw had an interesting story on the original USofA election map as used by NBC back in the seventies..color was reversed for the parties. Red for dems and blue for repubs. Wonderful trivia for my trivial mind.

Vote because you get to.

http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/

Maybe it´s me, not being a dem anymore.....But I hope this doesn´t turn into a landslide...
One can only imagine what people like John Kerry, Bill Richardson and others will do in the US....

Although I haven´t voted for him, BO should win normally and govern (with a good balance of power in the senate.)

I think the big question after today will be? If the repugs get a landslide in their face...who is to blame..... Johnny Mac or Tina Fey. Dear Lord..........

After the last eight years, I want the bluest of blue swimming pools.

I'll regain my conservative tendencies after a little healing from the agony of the Bush years.

The media did the same job on Palin they did on Al Gore and John Kerry. Palin, should wait until around Thanksgiving and then "accept" the invitation from Oprah to appear on her show.
Palin should use the appearance to rehab her image --especially to clear up the lies that have been spread around about her and to emphasize she was cleared completely in the trooper story. I would never vote for her she is a right wing whacko but the treatment by the media and media wannabes has been disgraceful. Sure the media has been helpful to Obama but the media turns on the dime and to pretend the media is anything but full of crap is stupid. If we are going to change things...the media is a good place to start. The NYTimes coverage of this campaign sucked and they should be ashamed from the dustup over the Moveonad (and cheaper rate for Rudee) to the stupid hatchett job on Mrs. McCain.

I voted in Woodbridge, VA. I arrived around 5:30 and by 6:20, had cast my vote.

I got lucky, though... I got to jump the line ahead of about 100 people, because there were no voters in the "U-Z" line...woohoo!!

Gak Willie Brown is on my teevee -what a hoser he is ..
one of the worst mayors in SF history

The Cornerstone Speech was delivered by Confederate Vice President, Alexander Stephens extemporaneously in Savannah, Georgia on March 21, 1861.

This was the Cornerstone that this speech was named for.

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution — African slavery as it exists amongst us — the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted.

Stephens went on to say

(Jefferson's) ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. ... Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner–stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition.

1842 Abraham Lincoln marries Mary Todd in Springfield, Ill

Voters:

Free Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream cone
Free Starbucks coffee

I may hold out for something from Bank of America

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168355

The Cornerstone speech is one of the best reasons I've heard for Obama to win Georgia

Well it seems that "conservatives" are feeding "Republicans" into the chipper.

Harold Ford Jr. - "sippy cup"

Patsi, Congratulations on getting another book published!
It's not (alraedy) the one you and your sister were working on, is it?

Jason, Love the advice (in your 1:49 AM) this morning. :)

Happy, Happy Birthday Corey!

KGC

But Willie plays well on TV, He easily passes the comfort test. Which goes to show, it takes more than a friendly face to govern.

Jack

so fair and foul a day I have not seen........

Amen "

Anon -- are you sure you understand the implications of this particular quote?

"I may hold out for something from Bank of America"

Hey, a free eviction notice.

Jack

Jamie agreed, I was thinking about all those ghosts from the Confederacy last night as Obama spoke in front of 90,000 at Manassas.

Great bit of theater on the part of the Obama campaign.

My town, and no surprise.

http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

"If the repugs get a landslide in their face...who is to blame..... Johnny Mac or Tina Fey. Dear Lord....."

Oh Jason, I think there's a lot more blame (no matter what happens) to spread around than just that.

No Patsi -

I'm just a dumb country boy.

Anon -- stop whining about slavery. Didn't you get the memo? White liberals are now absolved. It's almost like it never happened.

If the Republicans really want to correct the problems with their party --they need to take a good hard look at the Bush family and their retainers.

"It's not (alraedy) the one you and your sister were working on, is it?"

No, Chloe -- that one is a long way until finished...this one is a country music biography (not a memoir).

Hey, a free eviction notice.

Good one Jack, very good.

"I'm just a dumb country boy."

ROFL, sure you are.

I would never vote for her she is a right wing whacko but the treatment by the media and media wannabes has been disgraceful.

Couldn't agree with you more, but I disagree with Palin going on Oprah as that only provides Oprah another staged performance to boost her rating. I don't have a problem with Palin going into the enemy's camp, but she should appear on BET TV or the Charlie Rose show, maybe even The View.

Patsi -
You confuse whining with marveling .... But then confusion seems to be your fall back position.

And you, anon, confuse sarcasm with everything else.

the Charlie Rose show,

YES.... Send Sarah on with Mr. Rose. He'll lob some softballs her way.

If we are going to do the Scottish Play, here's a little something for the Republicans

"Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."

Good Luck America. The world is hoping you Vote in Obama. We would like him to be the face of the mighty USA.

Best Wishes all the wy from AUSTRALIA

stacey.....say hello to my friend stewart cramer over in bendigo.......

OMG -- Noonan is now claiming Obama's young speechwriters called her last night for guidance and "tender moments."

Patsi -

My sincere apologies. You are correct.

Sarcasm doesn't travel well through the inter nets. Sarcasm rests in the voice, as much as it lives in the words.

Those who fight here today, get no birthday cake or ice cream. LOL!

Thanks to everyone for the birthday wishes!

Welcome Stacey

Come back after it's all over and stay awhile

So I decide to arise at 5:00 AM to get to the polls early to beat the long lines. Of course, once the alarm went off at 5:00 I immediately shut it off and drifted back to sleep for 90 minutes.
The polls opened at 6:30, and I made it there at 7:30, fully expecting long lines out the doors.
No lines.
I was directed to my precinct's station , and there I waited behind exactly one man for about five minutes , who was very upset because his name was not on the rolls.
That was my wait. Five minutes.
I see these lines all over the USA and people are waiting many hours to vote. My hat is off to them. I was getting impatient just waiting for one man trying to vote.
Our ballot was easy to read and had many state issues . I was very thorough with my voting to be sure I understood each issue clearly: water rights, casino , funding of health issues and so forth. Voting that way took about 15 minutes...I can see how huge delays could form in large-population centers.
We use paper ballots , blacking in squares by our choice's name or number. Then we feed the papers one at a time into a reader which lights up with an electronic image of a flag when the vote is cast.
No complaints...well, one complaint.
I quit eating doughnuts quite a while ago and it's been a couple years since I had visited our local doughnut shoppe. I was shocked...nearly $2 for just two little doughnuts. I trust President Obama will restore some sanity to doughnut pricing!!

I'm nowhere near bendigo and Australia may be small but it still has 21 million people here....... I'm excited about the result coming..... Although now I can't You-Tube Bush's silly verbal gaffes as there will be no more new ones after March 4th:-(

A great book on slavery, "The Slave Trade", by Hugh Thomas. 908 pages. Not all the profiteers were White, most yes, but not all. One such example: King Alvare of the Congo. Another interesting fact, not all Blacks in the South were considered slaves, some actually operated businesses. This was rare for sure, but it did occur.

I'm starting to have the first tremors from tracking poll withdrawal.

When and where are the results as they are broadcast come in?

stacey.....lol.........you mean it's not just a few miles across??

rode the train oncet from sydney to melbourne, and then drove up the 90 miles to bendigo.......63 that was......saw me a koala bear and a kangaroo too......

"GOP Election Board members have been tossed out of polling stations in at least half a dozen polling stations in Philadelphia because of their party status.

A Pennsylvania judge previously ruled that court-appointed poll watchers could be NOT removed from their boards by an on-site election judge, but that is exactly what is happening.

It is the duty of election board workers to monitor and guard the integrity of the voting process. "

Anselm,
This is a quote from that link you posted.
Is this stuff really already starting?

Are you in Philadelphia?

" I trust President Obama will restore some sanity to doughnut pricing!!"

Right after he closes Gitmo!

Koala's aren't bears, and I live in Brisbane which would take 11 hours non stop to reach Sydney. Brisbane in the city close to the famous Gold Coast.

One thing the inter nets does very well is give us wonderful stories such as Dexter's fine report.

As per doughnut prices, wait to all that bail - out money reaches Crispy Creme.

OMG -- Noonan is now claiming Obama's young speechwriters called her last night for guidance and "tender moments."

Did they call her on a special phone while traveling on magic dolphins? Nooners is insane. No one called her except to tell her she is no longer relevant.

"Koala's aren't bears, "

Yeah, Stacey -- but Koala Bear sound so much nicer than Koala Wombat.....

stacey.....yep......but they told me it was a koala bear.....I figgered it wasnt a real bear when it didnt bite my finger off......like that one in yellowstone tried to do to the guy in the car in front of us who ignored all the signs and tried to hold out a piece of fruit for the bear to eat......

that was those 2 canadian disc jockeys who called precioussssss peggumsssss........

Choe -
I would take any report from Town Hall with the same jaundiced eye as one from KOS.

KGC -- Yet another case of Noonan making something up so she can slobber over the memory of Ronald Reagan, even though he considered her a slalker.

Posted by: sturgeone | November 4, 2008 9:28 AM

Good One!

C-List get together at the Australian Open in January!

Stacey -- Thanks for the best wishes. Just change the words to Advance Australia Fair and think of us (always loved your National Anthem)....

Australians (Americans) all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Obama Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern (Northern) Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Obama Fair.

http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/symbols/docs/anthem_vocal.mp3

Peggums --I'll bet she is afraid of getting wet.

Anon -- what have you heard about companies using that bailout money to pay off execs? Is that just BS someone makes up to piss off people like me?

rach plays rach.......a little somber musik for the gop.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ytY57u8_4&feature=rec-fresh

I am so lucky to have such wise mentors here to guide me.
But that still didn't answer my question.

BTW, isn't it pretty late (time-wise of the day) in Australia right now?

In the losing brain cells department. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez ,and the "black man" who might be the next president of the USA. His name is Obama, maybe you have heard of him?

http://africa.reuters.com/energyandoil/news/usnN02487792.html

corey............it's so late there that summer is starting soon................lol

And Stacey, while you're at it, have a meat pie and think of me (love your meat pies as well).

Patsi -
I heard that pin-head Barny Frank whining about what they're doing with all that dough, when he wrote the bill and didn't put any strings on it.

There's another guy for the chipper.

Carl Ichan was CNBC last night complaining about CEO's making 520 times as their average worker.

*Passes Sturge a vegemite sandwich*

"I am so lucky to have such wise mentors here to guide me.
But that still didn't answer my question."

Some sarcasm I get.
Thanks Choe

thanks, Mite.......

ALARM
ALARM

The Ducth telegraph is allready proclaiming Obama the 44th president.

The audacity.... I mean, we all know he is going to win, but....get a grip.... LOL......

GOP election board workers in at least 6 precincts in Phila. have been tossed by the Democrat judge of elections, the McCain campaign reports.
http://www.philly.com/

You know, I saw a movie, a sarcastic comedy (in the last 2 years, but don't remember the name, sorry) that was about Politicians. One of the guys campaigning in it kept saying throughout the movie, "God Bless American and no one else!" during his campaign speeches. It was funny as all get out, because of the context of humor in it.

This morning, when I read this post: "Damn , some of these Rethugs are stupid.
Posted | November 3, 2008 11:22 PM"

I thought to myself, that we could change it for our comedy.
God Bless the Democrats and no one else. That way we'll be sure to keep ALL others out.

ROFL
they have retracted the story
Probably it was from the writer who allready wrote the piece for tonight....It was put on the I-net tooo early.

Hahhaahhahahahahahqa
Hahahhahahahha. ROFL

Who need enemies with supporters like this.
Jerry Nadler admits Obama is "Not Politically Courageous"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rB1G0D3r7k

But that is not all Jerry has been up to lately:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11042008/postopinion/editorials/georgia_on_his_mind_136887.htm

Okay, I'm outta here. I think I had something important to do today.

Mornin' all.

God what a hassle. 5 people waiting for 6 paper and 3 electronic ballot stations. Hell it took almost 3 minutes to get to one. I can see why people think that voting needs to be reformed to make voting more convenient. :-)

Chloe

It may have happened and the people may have been ejected for good reason. One that often happens is idiots wear a shirt that supports a candidate. That is a no no in Missouri as there can be no electioneering within 100 ft of the polling place.
You would only get one side as the poll workers aren't allowed to talk to the press.

A lot of whining will go on today buy people that try to bend the rule or honest miss interpretating of the rules by poll workers. Remember the poll workers only do this 2 or three times a year and almost never in an election where there are so many new people voting and people worried about things.

Jack

Thanks Jack, :)

Palin arrives in Alaska to cast ballot in election

48 minutes ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Sarah Palin has arrived in Alaska to cast a ballot for president in her hometown of Wasilla.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h21ZbzgPbTVRftcJPT5vkHkonY5QD9485FVG0

But then she's gonna turn around and fly back to Ariz.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168420

The Humo Magazine in Belgium has the front cover with Obama the next President of the United States. It has a large head photo with a small rectangular American Flag drawing placed on his forehead (via a computer animation of course).

Oh Corey before you go, Happy Birthday !!!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168423

So Anselm, what's your solution? btw, we didn't set up the Cuban missile blockade because Russia was invading Poland. In fact, we didn't do anything to prevent Russia from metasticizing and forming the USSR. The Post writer is a moron. He or she should go back to college, take a course in 20th century world history and oanother in logic.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168358

Jamie - you need to check your history for reform --- Southern Dems held great control over what group?

And honest Abe was a member of what party?

Which party helped to LBJ make key actions happen?

Sturge a vegemite sandwich

Men at work: Land down under!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew

Brazil news is reporting big surge and hope for McCain, Interesting -- I thought Barack was wanted by all the world!

They laugh

Anon - that was the yeast you could do as it gets all "sturged" up

Which party helped to LBJ make key actions happen?

And 4 years later adopted the "Southern Strategy" which birthed the modern Republican party.

But I prefer Marmite - with a bitter and a pie

Why this story isn't all over the news this morning is beyond me. Wonder how the coal miners in PA, OH, IN, W VA. KY, and elsewhere think about this. I know union officials feel like they have been had by Obama. But there is something more in this interview that deserves everyone's attention, Obama's mention of sky rocketing electric prices. If you will remember, Obama during the primary talked about what temperatures we should keep our home thermostat set at. Sometimes these mis-speaks are reported as gaffes, are not gaffes at all, but what they truly believe.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/shocking-new-audio-obama-promises-to.html

I wonder how many people are as undecided as my daughter. She just called me from the parking lot of her polling venue. She said,"I don't know what to do. I agree with Obama on all the issues, but I think McCain has more character." I can't wait for her to call back.

Anselm -

Something else that needs to all over the news _

Solar Power Game-changer: 'Near Perfect' Absorption Of Sunlight, From All Angles

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081103130924.htm

mccain is to character as don quixote is to clear and logical thinking.

I shouldn't have looked- up that Men at Work song -

tears for fears - shout (1984)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWs1PelMaAw&feature=related

pogo,

You may want to check, but the U.S.S.R. no longer exist today. Russia is a mere shadow of it's former self, which by the way wasn't all that. The U.S.S.R. was a broken country trying to enforce failed policies. They failed miserably.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168434

Ping, they vote for the US pres in Brazil? Who knew?

Anselm -

What's going to put more people to work ?
Coal mining, or the conversion to a sun powered world. And if anyone thinks we aren't close to that new world, they just haven't been following it as it's being born.

just got back from casting my votes..... walked right in with my friend, stated my name, received a ballot, marked it, put it in optical scanner, and headed for the door..... all within 15 minutes.....

but then I do live in a small town.....

Jack..... here's a big fat wet kiss coming your way!
so many people malign poll workers nowadays it's sickening...... I retired as an election official as the tone from voters started to get more and more hostile....
it used to be such a fun thing to work the polls...... today.... I'm happy I no longer do it....

Pogo - No - The Brazil vote will not count as they tend to like McCain - More of the same fundamentals .. even for a SA country.

Now maybe Jason can report if the votes in his part of the EU will count for Barack?

The new World President

Anon,

I am in favor of all sources of energy that would help remove us from foreign sources. Not sure how many of you get RFDTV, but T. Boone Pickens recently gave a 90 minute presentation on energy. If you missed it check the scheduling as I am sure they will re-air it.
Time well spent.

Anselm, you didn't answer my question. What's your answer re: Georgia?

And while there is some dispute over the reasons for it, the USSR collapsed under the weight of its own debt, not as the result of any foreign military intervention by the US or anyone else. btw, the rise of capitalism in Russia and its former satellites was supposed to be its savior. Doesn't seem to have saved it all that much.

Anselm -

The last 90 days :

New Solar Energy Material Captures Every Color Of The Rainbow

New Optics For Improved Solar Power Generators

Solar Cell Sets World Efficiency Record At 40.8 Percent

Slicing Solar Power Costs: New Method Cuts Waste In Making Most Efficient Solar Cells

Converting Sunlight To Cheaper Energy

http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/matter_energy/solar_energy/

Has anyone seen the fnal Karl Rove electoral map?

http://rove.com/election

Ping - :-)

Lest we get ahead of ourselves....

The Des Moines Register reported today that 80% of Iowans are expected to vote in this election, 82% involved themselves in this year's election process in some way, and 40% of Iowa attended the Iowa Caucuses...

And we're ready to start the 2012 cycle...

"The calls will start coming into Iowa from potential candidates in the losing party before this week is over." (Jerry Crawford, long-time Iowa Democratic insider).

I so look forward to the possibility of again seeing seed corn advertisements on TV for a change...

LOL @ Ping...

Not really

But all I can tell you that the latets poll in Holland is an astounding 89% for Barrack. LOL...

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Anselm -
I was member 196 on the Pickens Plan.

yes, but how did the voting go in Crawford Gap, New Hampshire?

Anselm -- "Not sure how many of you get RFDTV, but T. Boone Pickens recently gave a 90 minute presentation on energy."

Don't forget the cattle auctions and cutting horse competitions....

"Just one more cow...."

I figure that with T. Boone it's more like "one more swiftboat".

Anselm,

One final point about you analysis of black voters for Obama...

I know black republicans who are still a bit angered with McCain and his vote against a Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday. They feel it defeats the purpose of pointing out that MLK was in fact a Republican.

I'm back. I voted. I was voter #349. As usual, there were those people who weren't registered who tried to vote. One guy was still registered to vote in Wisconsin!

So of the tossups that the other sites have been showing, Rove sees McCain getting about half (in terms of EVs) Way too little, way too late. The Mack is back? Maybe not so much.

Pogo - to call Russia as fundamental capitalism -- Free Market is kinda a strech - unless you discount the mafia and significant government activity and controls . It is a blend at best.

I understand The Free Market that is there is doing well -

Hey - maybe this is the model Barack wants to take us to? More Government - He looked in his eyes and liked the control he had

Just voted for Barack Obama for president. Everyone in line was still in amazement that an African American man is about to make history. There's going to be a psychic shift within the black community after this. Slavery, Civil Rights, and now the Presidency. Wow.

Ping Pong,

How can people on the right continue to claim to be for small government when during the times they hold the power, they do nothing but grow the government?

It's an intellectually bankrupt argument to make. They should be saying we want to shrink the government in the areas that don't help our constituents or in areas we feel government doesn't belong. However they are too cowardly to do so.

Stinky and I went to vote. Here in Columbia it's a breezy day in the middle 50s with a spitting drizzle. Not at all pleasant.

As we drove to the precinct it became very apparent that there were going to be problems. Cars were parked on the grass beside roads more than half a mile from the middle school where we vote.

We saw lines that were hundreds of yards long.

We drove to where the handicapped parking is. They had three places with dozens of cars waiting. We stayed for a few minutes then returned home.

Bear.....it's easy.......they lie.............seen any trickle down lately? lol

Anon,
What's going to put more people to work ?
Coal mining, or the conversion to a sun powered world. And if anyone thinks we aren't close to that new world, they just haven't been following it as it's being born.

That is the hollow argument of the Left. Similar to lets not drill off shore because the oil company's haven't drilled on all their allowed lands. The reason for that, the oil companies have determined there is no oil there so why drill. Sort of like going to the junk yard to buy bread.

Your solar issue is similar. You can't give out pink slips to 10 of thousands of employees, and expect the solar industry to pick employ them anytime within the foreseeable future. That may be good 20, 30 years down the road, after all the bugs have been worked out, new grids established, solar farm erected, but that isn't going to happen for years to come. I am not opposed to it, I say do both until they can get it right.

Patsi,

Can't say we agree on much, but I hate Joe LIEbermann with a purple passion. Nothing like a traitor and I can't wait until he either switches parties or is assigned an office the size of a coat room. I always thought he was the weakest VP candidate ever and now I think his JOEmentum was BS.

sturg....

it's Crawford Notch.....

oh yeah..... your question..... I don't know....

BTW..... there was a high school girl doing exit polling..... I was so used to lying to pollster over this last week that when she asked how I voted, I automatically said "all Republican"..... I heard it quickly..... apologized and told her the truth...... all Democratic.... guess that's what I get for being such a wise ass..... :0)

reb ren......oops.......well, we dont have gaps and notches around here, just sea islands and tomato fields.........oh, and tennis/golf resorts surrounded by condos and mcmansions.........

Gee Renee, even I wasn't a smart ass when I voted today! LOL!

That's what's so interesting about Pickens, I know full well about his hand in 2004, and his politics. But what he's proposing is a way forward, and as I said a few days ago, we'll hear about him backing Obama's energy plan. Obama has made it clear that energy is going to be one thing he will press for first. He knows that this "do it all" is just a slogan. We don't have the resources to "do it all". If we make the wrong bets on this issue we'll all be a lot poorer.
His site was pretty amazing this summer conservatives going green, what a trip.
Others had their heads spinning when he said we weren't going to drill our way of this problem. They didn't like that one at all.

Goes right along with a black president doesn't it ?

Flatus - The line will be short at 2:24 PM

Mr Bear - Read My Posts !!!

Bush has been COMPLACENT at BEST !!
THE FAT REPUBLICANS GOT IT IN 2006 !!
Barack's History is indeed more of the same failed policy -- these are the facts...

Now CHANGE -
Barack has that as the lead for two reasons - one it is cute - But He MUST CHANGE - And in His WORDS just WORDS he has changed -

As said earlier he is already in Big Corp Pockets -

IF he wins - it is NOT a Mandate for Barack..

keep your freinds close - enemy closer --- thank you Warren Buffet

Here is a link to a story about the CEO of Chesapeake...I add it because they speak about Pickens in here.

His primary motivation for the conversion to CNG is that he will be the one building and owning the stations to sell it...so he sees a lot of money in the effort...

http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=7251

Corey....
it came out of my mouth unconsciously...... I almost choked when it got to my ear..... but my bad..... for punishment I will open a cheaper bottle of wine for tonight......

Anon..... I hope you're going to tell us who you are after tonight.....
at first I thought I smelled northern Maine..... but now I'm not so sure.....
I might be smelling Oklahoma.....

Anon,
The last 90 days :

New Solar Energy Material Captures Every Color Of The Rainbow
New Optics For Improved Solar Power Generators
Solar Cell Sets World Efficiency Record At 40.8 Percent
Slicing Solar Power Costs: New Method Cuts Waste In Making Most Efficient Solar Cells
Converting Sunlight To Cheaper Energy

For once am in agreement with you. Just there is a time factor that has to be accounted for. You know Pickens is really big into CNG, wind and solar. But right now is having trouble building his wind farm. Can't find enough blades. When his wind farm is complete and he doesn't have a real good time frame on that,it would service 20K homes. A funny side note that came from his 90 minutes presentation was his talk with Obama. Obama wants to convert 1 million cars over to CNG. Pickens said something like this, 'well that is a start, but what about the other 220 million cars we have here in the US?'.

For some fun. Detroit Pistons got Iverson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBO-UenUMAw

Flatus -- I am so afraid my daughter is going to run into that in Ohio.....I told her to vote early!

Coal fire is a significant part of the infrustructure - There is great R&D by PRIVATE companies to optimize -

It aint going no where anytime soon.

Be careful to buy into the dream as the reality to make it happen is something different.

Take the ad 10 years ago that you will in a few years have all your health records on your smart card.. Yes - it may be possible in a perfect controlled world - but the reality and cost is something more.

Jamie at 8:11 AM

"My two eldest uncles had birth certificates reading "IT". "

Jamie,

I realize what you and Patsi were talking about, but when you take that sentence out of context . . .

Well, let's just say there might be a punch line there somewhere.

Thanks for the GBS quote. I passed it on to friends on both sides of this election.

Voting in Schoharie this morning was easy. At 6:10 the initial rush was over and I walked in and voted with no ahead of me and one guy waiting when I finished.

My son was part of a long line in Brooklyn, but it moved quickly and he called around 6:30 to say around two hundred had moved through the line before him.

"Nothing like a traitor and I can't wait until he either switches parties or is assigned an office the size of a coat room. I always thought he was the weakest VP candidate ever and now I think his JOEmentum was BS. "

Mr. D -- I am sorry to admit that when Gore picked Lieberman, I ignored the fact that he was a pompous ass and a moralist, and cheered the pick as a gain for Jews. Damn.

(People worry about Palin being a heartbeat away -- we could'a had JoeMentum....)

BUT - with GRID uptake possible - like my neighbor that has solar panel in his backyard -
And if pricing follows the normal model - like laptops??

And keep the Government out of it...

Solar Maybe faster then one can ever imagine

Anselm -
The pink slips are coming , due in large part to folks like you who can't see he future much less understand it.

That's why "Drill Baby Drill" fell on it's "Butt Baby Butt".

Also Storage is another factor -- This must be also advanced - to level the supply to the demand

From Politico: Five Things To Watch Tonight

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15226.html

Corey---Happy B day, hope that u get a top of the line GMAC top of the line B cake, with a big Cadeelac candle on it.

I felt a little strange not voting for the natural law party for the first time since 1980,,but felt good to vote for the green party, i know if nadar was on it, i would have voted for R P. nice day here and in and out in 1/2 an hr,,,some outside asked me who i voted for---i told him myself.

Solar Maybe faster than one can ever imagine -

More common ground.

His primary motivation for the conversion to CNG is that he will be the one building and owning the stations to sell it...so he sees a lot of money in the effort...

Really? Business men making money, creating jobs, boosting the economy, providing opportunities, filling the tax coffers which will reduce my tax burden. Yeah that sure sounds like a bad idea to me. Think I'll hold out until the government can become involved.

Bear do you own your home or do you rent? If you rent you should buy a home. If you own a home you should buy a investment piece of property and try managing it.

I almost wrote myself in a few times, since there were so many Republicans running unopposed here.

Ping, did I say that or anything like it? Nope. And there's always a caveat about why China's doing well, Russia not so much, etc., etc.. Look, I agreebelieve that a mixed system works best (and if youthink our system is the best of the bunch, you'd have to agree) and the rub is finding the balance between government supported sectors and free market (term used advisedly) sectors.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168468

Anselm, that's a dishonest argument. No one is putting existing workers out of work by proposing a tax on new power plants built with old technology conforming to old carbon emission limits. And both candidates' energy programs, as they relate to coal emission reductions have target dates of 2050. Their cap and trade targets differ by about 20% (60 vs. 80). If you can't make an honest argument based on the facts rather than trying to employ scare tactics to get OH, PA and WV coal workers too uneducated about the respective proposals to be afraid of programs that don't exist, why make the argument at all? Oh, wait, I forgot - there's a terrorist uner the bed.

I voted and it was very different this time. Usually I arrive at 7:00 A.M. at the Waller Road Grange and it is just me and a few poll workers. By the time I finish in 15 minutes max, people start arriving in dribs and drabs. There is never a full parking lot throughout the day.

Today, because of driving the grandson, I didn't arrive until 7:20 A.M. All of the parking spaces were filled and people were self parking up on the grass. There were two lines going out the door. This is a very much racially mixed area, but usually the only black face to be seen until evening is one of the poll workers. Today it looked as if the United Nations had moved to Pierce County Washington.

Everyone was smiling, joking around with each other, being very patient. If there was a McCain supporter in the crowd, they were keeping very quiet. Again, this is unusual. Because of the heavy military presence in the area, there is normally a healthy percentage of Republicans. Today, they were either low profile or missing.

Anon,

"The pink slips are coming , due in large part to folks like you who can't see he future much less understand it."

You really don't read what I wrote, you must read what you think I wrote, otherwise there is no way you could come up with that conclusion. Nice talking to you.

Anslem--------Last thread

True believer asked you, " where you insulting me,,if so why"

I think she was asking about this post that u made,

I am always amused by the usual split tails who mock our brave current and former military men and women. Remarks that mock our military men and women should probably be kept to blogs where you remain safe and warm, and not carried outside.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168481

Ping. Congratulations, you have hit the bullseye.

I thought split tails were fish.....

pogo,

A little early in the morning isn't it?

Your Mr. Omaba said the following, "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them."

I am sure those words will play well in W VA. I know the unions aren't happy with your Mr Obama.

Gosh -- Ping got two Common grounds from Anon and a Bullseye from pogo --

Just no group hug yet....

I might need some space later tonight......

not like he used it---its like the c word, if it got past u it got past Craig----Behty was very upset that no one called him on it

Solar, I'd have said something if I'd ever heard the term in relation to anything but fish....

Anselm, not so early.

"Your solar issue is similar. You can't give out pink slips to 10 of thousands of employees, and expect the solar industry to pick employ them anytime within the foreseeable future. That may be good 20, 30 years down the road, after all the bugs have been worked out, new grids established, solar farm erected, but that isn't going to happen for years to come. I am not opposed to it, I say do both until they can get it right."

Maybe Anon thinks that Obama is suggesting that, but au contraire, Pierre.

Like I said, Obama is talking about proposed power plants built with old technology to conform to old emission targets.

"That may be good 20, 30 years down the road..."

Seems to be within the 2050 target date to me.

Now tell me you aren't trying to suggest something that Obama hasn't.

"So if somebody wants TO BUILD a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it WILL bankrupt them."

... as you said. but you knew that.

No, Patsi, not in military parlance -- but you knew that didn't you? :-)

Anselm -
I read what you wrote, and you are laboring under the false impression that the solar revolution is 20 or 30 years away. It ain't, and that because you spent so much time looking for spooks under the bed. And buying into "Clean Coal".

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168390

Anselm,

You haven't been reading here for very long. There are several people very interested in history and genealogy. This is a very old piece of news, but welcome to the conversation.

I must admit I did not appreciate being called a "women's vagina" as the dictionary put it.

Clean Coal -

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=mountain+top+removal&spell=1

Pats----i know , the only reason that im sticking my nose in it is that i have felt his hatefulness even thru my pc,,,,it is street slang, first few times that i heard it i did not know what it meant, Jamie said she almost made her gag, i can understand her or anyone not wanting to say something----Bethy was pissed, and i will back bethy,,just like i backed osh...he also said something similar (threat) to her that he said to me,, about since im so far away that i was pretty brave-----that guy is someone to watch out for imo. sorry to ruin election day but i did not want it to be ignored,,,,i have come to really like all here and could not stand by.

"No, Patsi, not in military parlance -- but you knew that didn't you? :-)"

Actually, if you are talking the split/double tail thing -- no. I've never heard of it in relation to a sexual reference, military or otherwise. The only place I ever heard the term was in my favorite Chinese restaurant here in town, where they have huge fish tanks and some that they call split tails or sometimes double tails -- colorful and beautiful fish, too....

And if it IS street talk for the c-word, then fire away at Anselm. I just hadn't heard it before.

Bettas really are grand fish, by the way....

United Mine Workers of America (UMWA) International President Cecil E. Roberts issued the following statement today:

McCain campaign’s last minute distortion of Obama’s coal record an act of desperation

http://www.umwa.org/index.php?q=news/mccain-campaign%E2%80%99s-last-minute-distortion-obama%E2%80%99s-coal-record-act-desperation

Why Pickens is talking CNG -
This is from today

ALBANY, N.Y. -

A geologist says the Marcellus shale region of the Appalachians could yield seven times as much natural gas as he earlier estimated, meaning it could meet the entire nation's natural gas needs for at least 14 years.

Penn State University geoscientist Terry Engelder said in a phone interview Monday that he now estimates 363 trillion cubic feet of natural gas could be recovered over the next few decades from the 31-million-acre core area of the Marcellus region, which includes southern New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and eastern Ohio.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/11/04/ap5644928.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168432

Ping

Was there anything in my statement that indicated that I thought the person making the speech was a Democrat?

Not only was Lincoln a Republican but so was Martin Luther King.

I can't help it if the Republicans took in all the Dixiecrats when Hubert Humphrey was nominated by the Democratic Party, and threw out the moderate and liberal wings of the Republican Party for the Democratic party to pick up.

Anon, you have identified the single biggest threat to WV coal miners' jobs as perceived by WVcoal miners. I spend enough time in planes to notice things, and when you are flying N-S out of or vice versa into Charleston, WV (or to Pittsburgh for tha matter) the way you know you've gotten to WV is by seeing the mountain top removal operations in the southern coal fields of WV. Solar energy as a threat to livelihood in the minds of WV miners is absolutely small potatoes in comparison to regulations that restrict mountain top removal, valley fill mining.

Well instead of throwing the f bomb at him,,, and get chewed up again by craig,,,i will keep my distance, like i would in real life, but like in real life will be watching him to see who he is trying to hurt, cos they don't see things his way.

pogo and Anon,

Seems like you 2 believe in something that might happen, will provide future employment, but will not replace coal for 20, 30 years. In the mean time.

Now pogo you have it right when you said, "Obama is talking about proposed power plants built with old technology to conform to old emission targets." And that is my point proposed power plants. The technology for solar to take over a coal power plant does not exist. It may someday, but that day is 20 years away. Another thing which will need to be answered what size solar farm will it take to furnish electricity to say my home town of Philly? Are they going to be able to furnish the same amount of electricity on the same footprint of a PECO power plant. If not how large of a footprint will they require?

"Today it looked as if the United Nations had moved to Pierce County Washington."

Thanks Jamie, that says it all about this election.

Anselm--
I would still like an answer to My question.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/memorable-moments-2008.html#comment-168244

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168510

Patsi, really? I'm surprised. I first heard the term from my next door neighbor, fresh back from 'nam, when I was a senior in college. The intent of the use of the term was to be demeaning & dismissive.

You haven't been reading here for very long. There are several people very interested in history and genealogy. This is a very old piece of news, but welcome to the conversation.

Well you just never know who knows what about slavery. I thought the book to be very informative, although it is a rather long read.

Anselm -

The largest oil field in America today is in our own gas tanks. The largest power plant in America today is in an LED light bulb. Neither is 20 or 30 years away.

The price of oil didn't collapse because Palin whats to drill off Tye Bee Island, it collapsed because we started conserving oil.
The revolution is under way , sorry you missed the memo.

......... it is a rather long read.

That would be because slavery was a rather long event.

Learn something new everyday around here .lol
http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/split-tail

Jamie,

By your trail report, it looks good for us here in WA. That probably bodes well for Chris G. too.

"Well, let's just say there might be a punch line there somewhere."

EdvB

Didn't realize what I had typed until you mentioned it. As for the "IT" ... those were the Cousins not the Uncles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKVfhZoFKX8

Let's all dance shall we ?

Dave Matthews Band - Ants Marching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LY9p8Spe7Y

"He was high on intellectualism, I never been there .... but the brochure looks nice"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBtJqcmhRs

Gotta admit I missed becoming an Obamacon by (Get Smart voice) Thiiiiisssss Much because of Stephanie Miller. Driving away from voting, she read this thing going around the net

Rosa Parks sat so that Martin Luther King could walk. Martin Luther King walked so that Obama could run. Obama's running so that we all can fly.

Then cut straight into John Lennon singing "Imagine"

Ach!!! Instant welling of tears in eyes moment. Got over it by reciting ten times: Just a politician, just a politician, just a politician .....repeat as necessary to regain cynicism. :-)

BLACK PANTHERS WITH NIGHT STICKS BLOCK POLLING PLACE IN PHILLY

"Two black panthers were blocking the doorway at a polling place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Rick Levanthal of Fox News is reporting live.

One of the panthers said "the black man was going to win the White House no matter what."

Brandishing a night stick, and swinging it menacingly, the police were called - one of the black panthers and his night stick were moved.

Do you think little old white ladies would want to walk past the black panther with a night stick."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/black-panthers.html

Boooooo

State says voter freebies against the law

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/11/04/voter_free_elect.html

I understand that one thing holding back lots of innovation is the Congress - They need to renew investment acts.

Oh or is the new governement going to be in total control?

Fuel the fire !!!

Congratulations GORDO -

You found 2 stupid people in Philly .

Gordo, are you sniffing glue?

THIS JUST IN --
Voting Machines Elect One of Their Own President...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/89550

I am going to bed soon so I can wake up around 5 am which is 8 pm Tuesday evening for the west coast. I hope its good news and Obama wins, though I never count on the smarts of the American voter...

BREAKING: FOX reporting Black Panthers intimidating voters in Philadelphia

"We told you months ago that in Chicago, Obama supporters told us that this was their plan for election day — to hire gang members, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, you name it and use these men for “voter turnout” efforts in Philly, Gary (Indiana), Cleveland, Detroit, Miami, Pittsburgh, you name it. Anywhere with a large black population, where white and Hispanic voters (read: Hillary voters) could be intimdated and kept from the polls.

Obama’s followers will try this in every major city, from what we are told. They are especially desperate in Philadelphia, because they need big numbers there to win the state, and the only way they will get that is through fraud and intimidation (aka, The Obama Way)."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/breaking-fox-reporting-black-panthers-intimidating-voters-in-philadelphia/

People,
I am wishing all a very fun filled night.
I am dead tired. Been working for more than 13 hours and still not finished. But tomorrow is another day

Please, enjoy, be safe and let us hope that whoever gets elected as POTUS that it will be a new dawn for the star spangled banner...

I salute U!

Ping the only good thing about the bail out was the credit package passed and it was for 8 years -

Bailout Includes Tax Incentives for Energy Efficiency Buildings
Sweeteners in the bailout bill include several energy-related tax incentives that had previously stalled, including credits for solar investments and renewable energy bonds

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/nov2008/id2008113_229969.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_innovation+%2Bamp%3B+design

Jason I am dead tired too
and drained totally

GORDO -

Just wait till the show trials begin.

Alert: New open thread tonight 8:00 PM EST for our live discussion of election results. Come back and join the chat.

that is 6 hours before me... so thats 2 in the morning... sorry I'll be sleeping...

I will be live on KAOS radio wednesday talking about an ex-pat viewpoint of the election. you can listen online at http://www.kaosradio.org. Time set is 8 am pacific time, which I believe is 10 am Central and 11 am eastern???

http://www.kaosradio.org on the Wednesday edition of KAOS' Breakfast Special program.

Anon - I understand a specific action that protects investment in Coal fire was not included which puts into danger investment to better technology.

From 30 years in the fut..... Oops sorry this one is an ongoing project.

The Solar Center Installs Large Commercial Solar Project In Kenilworth, NJ

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/11/prweb1549724.htm

"Patsi, really? I'm surprised. I first heard the term from my next door neighbor, fresh back from 'nam, when I was a senior in college. "

ROFL -- I can't imagine any of the Nam vets I knew back then using that term in front of me, if they made it clear what they were talking about....check your email, Pogo...:)

Easy voting in fabulous downtown Guerneville at the Vets Hall.
No waiting. I was number 38. I think most people in my precinct are now voting permanent absentee.

A friend in SF reports -30 people in line at his precinct --unusual. The weather is cooperating here.

"Obama's running so that we all can fly. "

Argh. That's over the top for me, Jamie. Sounds a little too motivational training film for my taste....

Federal Government Endorses Small Wind Turbines with Tax Credit
New Law Gives up to $4,000 to Consumers who Purchase Southwest Windpower's Skystream 3.7

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Federal-Government-Endorses-Small-Wind/story.aspx?guid={DF6552E3-5A1A-48B5-BB9F-BC1B2955A821}

Wow - projection is 15 years 2 Billion more people on Planet Earth !!!

Who will lead us?

Ping -
Go google and see if you can find one "Clean Coal" plant WORKING anywhere in the world.

"Clean Coal" is like "Tastes Great Less Filling" it's an advertising phrase that big coal cooked up, so they could stall what they see as the death of they're business. And as Craig put it so well, Power has to be taken. It's the same with the energy business.

Pickens can't find blades for his turbines, not because they need more development, but because demand has out stripped supply.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168558

Sarah Palin, right into the rapture.

Anon - The same wind blows around the world...

Common Ground !

Maybe a timing difference and it must be free enterprise...

Why did the cost of oil and gas drop? several factors and one is producer understand they will only accelerate themselves out of business.
And yes lower demand

that is 6 hours before me... so thats 2 in the morning... sorry I'll be sleeping...

Posted by: EuroTom | November 4, 2008 1:14 PM

Me as well........... LOL
It is now 7.37 in the evenning in Amsterdam.....

Barack = 6
Hussein = 7
Obama = 5

Ummm 675 ??

Wait 6+7+5 = 6+6+6

OH MY .....
Ahhhhhhhhh

Dark hole opens up and Ping is taken to hot firery pit

Jason we have the same time

Ping are you nuts? free enterprise is already causing gas prices to rise again. In Belgium they go up tomorrow

OK - Karl Rove was getting them down along with the AE as the Arab countries want McCain

That would be the UAE......
And ET - Yes I can be nuts......

truebeliever,

To answer your question, no I wasn't insulting you. It was a 2 part post which I combines into 1. The top part was in reply to your post. Although I don't agree with your interpretation of the events, I didn't read it as you were mocking McCain, you were just presenting the events as you understand them.

I would also like to offer my sincere apologizes to Craig, and members of this blog for using a inappropriate term in a show of displeasure for anyone I perceive mocking, both current and past, our brave military men and women, . Mocking our military is a sensitive issue with me, and had I given it some thought I would have approached this issue differently. Again I offer my deepest apologizes.

Thank You. Apology accepted.

Remember the fellow who built the Gossamer Condor ?
Paul MacCready, well he makes wind generators now, why should we spend billions to bail out coal with all it's problems when these are being put on buildings now ?

http://www.avinc.com/ce_product_details.asp?Prodid=52

The socialists in Europe just built a car that runs on the wind

Wind-powered 'Ventomobile' Places First in Race

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080827104702.htm

If you get your physics information from talk radio, the world is flat.

That's why Anselm thinks solar power is off in the future.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168556

Patsi,

It was a moment of weakness and why I recovered so rapidly. Bathos and over the top schmaltz and I don't get along very well. :-)

GORDO.

Those black panthers must be McCain supporters because Obama is counting on an overwhelming win to cover for the vote seepage in other parts of the state. Are they planning on keeping other blacks from voting?

Pats, the guy was an army captain, tank commander (and before I met him I didn't even know they used tanks in VN) who came back and went into law school, which was where he was when we met. One of the most disciplined people I've ever known. Topish of his class, very conservative, married to very liberal woman (didn't last - go figure). Sexist to a fault. And he didn't care what anyone thought of what he believed he would have called you split tail to your face and laughed if you were insulted.

Anon - you in Energy business?

You gotta love Little Britain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=4Ej1-92w5tE

I haven't caught up and someone may have already posted this. It gave me a great laugh.

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168558

Ping

Check out "Hot, Flat, and Crowded"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0374166854/bookstorenow99-20

It took for beginning of the earth until 1800 to hit one billion people. The second billion was 1900. The third billion was about 1950. We are now sitting around seven billion.

Get it under control or die or starve in our own pollutants and lack of food and water.

Bear,
black panthers must be McCain supporters

Didn't the Black panthers during the primary provide Obama security? Or am I thinking of Al Sharpton?

Anselm, You wrote "Seems like you 2 believe in something that might happen, will provide future employment, but will not replace coal for 20, 30 years. In the mean time." I have a firm belief that if satellites can be powered by batteries charged by the sun, as they have been since the eginning of the space program, that when commercial demand is sufficient, the demand will be met by technology. In the early 70s, using the nascent solar cell technology available back then, there were some hybrid solar units that when the electricity produced and the heat produced were factored in, they came close to break even with the cost of energy then. Of course they were considered unsightly, had to be positioned just so, and their patents were more valuable to big oil than they were to the idealists who developed them. So, no, I don't believe in technology that might develop, I believe that sciendce and commerce will make certain that the technology to harness energy without creating CO2 at a breakpoint at or near the price of then currently available energy exists - and that there won't be a lag of 30 years before that breakpoint occurs. In the mean time, we'll continue to use energy from coal and oil and continue to reduce the pollutants the process of burning then produces.

And did you catch this?

http://www.umwa.org/index.php?q=news/mccain-campaign%E2%80%99s-last-minute-distortion-obama%E2%80%99s-coal-record-act-desperation

Kinda answers your question about what coal miners in WV, etc, think. Answer - not what Rush says they think.

After 8 years of Bush, this is just such a breath of fresh air. Obama in Virgina last night .

"Fired Up? Ready To Go!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjA2nUUsGxw

Anselm

Obama's security was provided by the Secret Service. They would have frowned on any Black Panthers trying to do their job.

Pogo, Patsi
I retired from navy a couple of years ago. The term that
Anselm used is very common among male troops and yes....once in a while it slips out in mixed company. I don't recall any reaction one way or the other.

Jamie -- The Mega Trends!
We have also crossed the demograhic that more people live in urban areas then rural.

"And he didn't care what anyone thought of what he believed he would have called you split tail to your face and laughed if you were insulted."

Hmm....when we went to Germany in 1969 the first thing I saw on the base bulletin board was a BS sexist sign. I took it, mailed it to my uncle the WW2 hero who had so many connections in the Pentagon that he had them on speed dial. He had a grand time causing a HUGE stink over it. The Co of the base called my husband in and said, "Your wife hasn't figured the military out, has she?"

My husband said, "No, but her Uncle Martin has."

Of course, my husband ended up with red flags all over his record. But he was a spy and one of their top Russian language guys, so they left him alone.

Pogo,
We've had some serious issues with relying on wind or solar to feed the grid in any large percentage. There are just times when neither can be counted on. Texas is one of the few states with it's own grid seperate from the rest of the country. Reliability issues are what keeps wind and solar from making up more than 10% of our grid supply.

Patsi,
I don't know. You seem awfully thin skinned for a miltary wife.

At any rate, I learned a new derogatory term today. Who'd 'a thunk it? Answer to split tail is split lip.

so, folks....will msnbc wait at least till 8pm to call the race?
uh, wes clark won dixsville notch in 2oo4.

Nelson,
Don't destroy other's euphoria with facts....it's their day....Laughs

It took for beginning of the earth until 1800 to hit one billion people. The second billion was 1900. The third billion was about 1950. We are now sitting around seven billion.

Get it under control or die or starve in our own pollutants and lack of food and water.

It is not enough, but the earth does have it's defenses,the catastrophe's that happen, hurricanes and all is the way it defends itself from us, but with modern technology, in the future people will live to be as old as some in the bible ( wonder how they did that?) i hope that we can also learn to live with mother nature once again,,,if not it will be a lot sooner that we have to go to another planet,,,,this is why i think that the religious people ( the ones that say they are sure) that should just get on the next comet and go straight to heaven,,,it will give the rest of us the time needed to resolve the crises created by religious wrong thinking---------Religion is--- MYTH--information.

Black Panther Brandishing Nightstick Stationed At Polling Place in Philly.

Go to link for videos:

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/04/black-panther-brandishing-nightstick-stationed-at-polling-place-in-philly/

Trust me Jax -- I knew we were short time. I despised military life. And I was lucky to be my uncle's favorite niece. It was much like having John Wayne for an uncle -- the movie John Wayne, that is.

the last laugh will be on you ... and the Repugs out of power !!!

Give it up Gordo....the Panthers are so 1969.

G Man, Bear, Anselm,

What's a black panther look like? Is there a uniform they all wear?
This is too much!

Oh, Jax -- my husband was army, but under the jurisdiction of the NSA in Germany....weird situation. The CIA tried to recruit him on his way out of the army, and he politely declined the offer.

Black Panthers intimidate voters at polls

Man brandishing nightstick says, 'We're tired of white supremacy'

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80036

Patsi,
That was back when the NSA and CIA were staffed by
actual field personnel. Those days are gone now. It's all bureaucrats and analysts now. I'm convinced it's why their perrformance in recent years has been so mediocre.

'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

What these people did at MIT this summer will allow us to take ever more efficient solar collectors, and split water in a "Closed System" to make cheap hydrogen. That's important because it over comes the whole storage problem with solar, and wind . This is not what you may have done in high school chemistry, it may read like it. But the catalyst MIT developed is a whole new thing.

"Nocera hopes that within 10 years, homeowners will be able to power their homes in daylight through photovoltaic cells, while using excess solar energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen to power their own household fuel cell. Electricity-by-wire from a central source could be a thing of the past."

When Obama speaks of changing to world. There are a lot of people that agree with him.

Rez,

If they are like they were in the 60's, all black clothes with a matching beret...very chic

Bear,
I assume their A A., and maybe some lettering or a logo.

Anon,
I suspect that the MIT crowd will proceed with this technology regardless of who wins... I'm not aware of
any great new technologies waiting on a politician to make them happen....There are quite a few however that need precisely that to succeed...ie ethanol

"I'm convinced it's why their perrformance in recent years has been so mediocre. "

We could have a good conversation about that, Jax. It's been dismaying to see what has happened to the American intelligence community. The cool thing about our post (Rothwestin) is that most of the army security guys working with the NSA had advanced degrees and were also a little hard to handle. A smart bunch of cats, actually.

Here's a podcast on the MIT story from Science magazine.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5889/710b

…sis-in-law emailed from The Loop…she just picked up VIP “Headquarters” tickets at the Hyatt for the giant rally tonight…she reports “feels like it’s 75 degrees, Grant Park flowers still in bloom, very exited atmosphere—international film and news crews tripping over themselves everywhere, all ready for action.”

jax, I'm not sure whether technology creates its own demand or whether demand drives technology, but until recently, oil (and coal) was still seen as a bargain. Now that the effects on the globe are pretty well accepted among credible scientists and teh public, the pressure to develop the solar, wind, wave and other renewable technology is considerably more than it has been up to now. I'm of the firm belief that the science of energy is just beginning to develop, having been hampered by economic feasibility of carbon based energy and a lack of any real societal pressure to change to cleaner energy until this century. The development of solid state electronics is a pretty good analog to what will probably happen with energy technology, and all I can say is that I still have a computer with a 256k memory motherboard and a 2 gig hard drive and dual 5 1/4 floppy disc drives on it in my attic (don't ask - the explanation is too long and ridiculous) - that works - to say nothing of a slide rule that I actually learned to use less than 40 years ago because that's what engineers used back then because the laptop computer wouldn't become commercially available for ten more years. Why should we expect that energy production and utilization will be any different than the development of the automobile, airplanes, computers, and on and on - all of which were developed to a relatively high level pretty quickly and without the aid of even halfway decent computers, at least by today's standards? I'm just saying that the assumptions of today's coal and oil defenders are yesterday's assumptions - and defending them as the state of the art in energy even in the very short term is to ignore the forces that will be brought to bear to address the problem.

Jamie,

Your right Bush assigned Secret Service protection to Obama very early on in the primaries. Maybe it was Al Sharpton.

Oil is up about 10% along with the DOW. Is that a portent for either candidate?

http://www.newblackpanther.com/home2.html

Patsi,
It's just that for many years we abandoned the actual man on the ground intelligence officer in favor of high tech. The military made that mistake as well and has done alot to address it. We've needed a better balance.
Hopefully after the first Iraq war, 911, and the second Iraq war we have adjusted the balance..

Rezdog,

What's a black panther look like? Is there a uniform they all wear?

Actually they do have a certain way of dressing. Even going back to told day of the 60's, they all wore black leather jackets and berets Even today they do dress in a similar fashion, meaning they dress a like.

It's hysterical to think that Obama would allow "Black Panthers" anywhere near his campaign. (Aren't most of them around McCain's age? Maybe they were threatening people with their canes....)

I voted today, but I didn't really reflect upon the historical significance of it. But, I never have thought about that kind of thing when I've voted before. I guess it's just not in me. But, before anyone blasts me for my attitude, I voted the way 99% of all the people here would have wanted me to vote.

Patsi,

There are the grey panthers...I think they're off playing canasta or pinochle today though...lol

"http://www.newblackpanther.com/home2.html"

ROFL, Bear! I clicked that Panther link, saw the skinhead punks and thought "Damn! How low the mighty have fallen!"

Aren't all panthers black?

Pogo,
Any new energy that's really got a chance better be able to compete with a significant decrease in oil and natural gas prices.
We have a green only power option here in Texas and I watch their prices to see where they compare with fossil power companies. Interestingly they keep a premium of apprx 2 cents/kwh regardless of how high
oil goes. Tthe green technology companies rely on high oil prices. If they really want to be adopted by the masses they only have to do one thing......be CHEAPER!!!!

I was just checking that site out Bear and Gordo's links. I think these guys were wannabes. Claimed they were bldg security.
Doubtful they were any thing official with Obama.

pogo,

McCain used the word 'transition', and Obama used the word, 'bankrupt' regarding the future of coal.

Obviously, you've never been to Holland. We have the West Ottawa High School Panthers here!

Here are the gray panthers

http://www.graypanthers.org/

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80036

Lemme get this straight - WorldNetDaily is reporting that Fox News is reporting that Republican Poll watchers are claiming that Black Panthers are intimidating voters and repug poll watchers in Philly - an area that McCain HAS to win if he is to win PA, which he HAS to win to win the election? And that "According to recent reports" Republican poll watchers were "asked" to leave polling places, that a lawsuit is pending and the issue is being resolved in court. Ah-Hah! That's crack reporting. Of course this should be the lead for Fox's U.S. news coverage, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/index.html

Well, maybe not. Oh, wait, it would be the top story in the Fox election news - at least from Philly, right?

http://elections.foxnews.com/index.html

Well, maybe not.

Nice try, Gordo, but the wingnut news apparently isn't important enought for RWNM useful tool FoxNews to even put it on their website.

Pogo,

I'm, with Pickens. According to him neither McCain or Obama has a energy plan to will correct our ever growing energy problem.

Jack -

I see your point, but we all know that where political thumbs get pressed is where money flows. We invaded Iraq, because it was the last great pool of oil we thought we might get our hands on. I'd rather see the folks at MIT get money rather than the corn farmers, the coal miners, the Okie Oilers, the Bechtel neutrons, or any of a dozen other hogs at the trough.

Because all the nail pounders here can go to work installing this stuff, it won't take a degree to work on Ping's capitialist castle when he makes the jump. And Anselm working on a drilling rig might reveal him as just another split tail.

Anon,
Hate to depress you but you need to look at who's funding the actual rollouts of the MIT technology....It isn't uncle sam....can you say....EXXON......laughs

Pogo,

That is not exactly correct. This is the situation, are at least one of them. If I read this correctly this one is in defiant of a federal court order. But this is how Philly has always been, nothing really new here other than the court order issue.

http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc

"... Gigi Gaston’s documentary “We Will Not Be Silenced” on the caucus fraud deliberately orchestrated by the Obama campaign during the primaries. Voter intimidation, registration fraud, vandalism, threats of violence, you name it, Obama’s supporters did it. For veterans of the McGovern ‘72 campaign who remembered thugs and hooligans engaged in similar tactics in service of their own far left candidate, the actions of Obama’s followers were so bad that even people who’ve lived through the last 36 years of ups and downs in America testified that this is the worst thing they’ve ever seen happen to our democracy.

... and we have word now that the people behind these efforts to document what Obama did during the primaries are also cooperating with law enforcement in an investigation into the Obama campaign’s efforts to undermine the true will of the people in the general election."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/clinton-supporters-sharing-evidence-for-rico-case-against-obama-campaign/

Anselm, you ignored the rest of Obama's comments acknowledging that coal and oil will be around for a long time as cleaner energy sources grow as a percentage of the power industry.

jax, that's what development does - it makes trailing technology cheaper as leading edge technology advances at very high prices. It will happen, and it will happen more quickly than today's state of the art suggests. Watch how reseach and development funds start to move from coal and oil to renewables now that Bushco is leaving. It will make all the difference in the speed of the development of the industry.

Anon---ROFLMAO--------i assume u meant a fish out of water

In the far future there are going to be buildings that are several mile wide and several mile high, u will never have to leave that building if u don't want---it will be a city within a city,,u will live,work, shop, there,,, it will, and has to be powered by solar( thats me--ha) with turbines, all of what u and pogo has said so far is right -,,especially, that we are now ready for this new adventure---coal and oil are on the way out.

Jack -
Oil and gas when down because the world economy fell on it's ass.
But the geology didn't change, 30 years ago everybody in China rode a bike to work. That didn't change. The Indians are still on track with their $2,000 car. Peak oil isn't just an internet conspiracy, and falling oil prices make $600,000,000 drill ships float in the same boat as wind turbines.

Anselm,

I don't have any problem with Pickens making money on a plan for the CNG stations, but there are a lot of leery people in North Texas when it comes to the idea of gas drilling.

Whether it's people having their wells polluted with gas and chemicals to the point they can draw water from their faucets and light it on fire, the added smoke pollution due to increased truck traffic, the seismic activity from fraccing causing foundation problems, or the health issues from long term exposure to low frequency noises, people are realizing that a small bonus check isn't worth the hassles of neighborhood drilling.

If you look at aerial photos of Tarrant county, you'll notice a bunch of white dots, those are drill sites and you can see this area is littered with them already. This impacts neighborhood growth for years to come and most agree, not in a positive way.

If you look in the archives of the Fort Worth Weekly, you will see a lot of stories about the perils to urban gas drilling that other parts of the country will be scared of when it's their time to confront the issue.

Pogo,
"Topish of his class, very conservative, married to very liberal woman (didn't last - go figure). Sexist to a fault. And he didn't care what anyone thought of what he believed he would have called you split tail to your face and laughed if you were insulted."

I don't think I've heard that vulgarity more than once or twice in my years of Army and Air Force service. When I saw it this time, I thought it more of a vulgarity picked-up on campus; the terms we used when we were young and full of testosterone were much more in keeping with Anglo-Saxon traditions.

repeating it (almost verbatim) from another blog site mentioned at the first doesn't lend any credibility to it, Gordo. Partisan blogsites are hardly reliable as news sources. Maybe the Philly Inquirer?

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20081104_Few_problems_on_Phila__election_court_docket.html

Doesn't seem to be a hot topic in the election court. Give it up.

But you can browse the Inquirer for it; it doesn't jump out at me - knock yourself out.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/

Pogo,
The R&D money doesn't follow administration changes. The majority of technological breakthroughs in non-military fields are primarily privately funded not
government funded so they aren't associated or constrained by any administration. You seem to think that this political change will generate some huge outpouring of technological development. I'm telling you that it is going to progress regardless of who's in power.
The 14 bil that Exxon made last quarter is being used to find more oil and advance new technologies. My money is betting that they will use that money more effectively to that end than any new gov't.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168643

flatus, that pretty much describes him. I had just never heard teh term, and he loved using it to piss off his wife and al her lib'ral ERA type friends. It was back in that time period.

Jack -

The success of the Nocera lab shows the impact of a mixture of funding sources - governments, philanthropy, and industry. This project was funded by the National Science Foundation and by the Chesonis Family Foundation, which gave MIT $10 million this spring to launch the Solar Revolution Project, with a goal to make the large scale deployment of solar energy within 10 years.

MIT, Chesonis Foundation announce solar revolution
Goal: Bring the sun's power to the people

April 22, 2008

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/chesonis-0422.html

Ping, we did go back to the precinct at about 2:15. It was back to normal.

jax, government R&D money in the form of grants to research universities certainly follows administration priorities - if the Obama budget doesn't reflect those priorities through DOE grants, I'll be shocked. I do agree with you about private R&D funding, and that is reflected in my "demand" comments above; and private funds may be much greater than government funding in that area - I just can't say. The two development funding sources are parallel and not exclusive (except where there are restrictions), and I didn't mean to suggest that one is more important than the other.

Bear,

Whatever happened to all those oil wells in Texas that were capped off?

Pogo -

What's a slide rule ?

@<>@
?
^^^^^

Anselm -
We pumped them dry building the 20th century.

Some Intrade.com election market updates:

Probability Obama will win the nomination: 93%

Predicted Obama Electoral College votes: Between 330 & 340

Predicted voter turnout: Over 60% of the population

Predicted number of Democratic Senate seats: 56-60

North Carolina, Florida, Indiana and Ohio Presidential races and the Minnesota Senate race still too close to call...Libby Dole predicted to lose North Carolina...

Two most important issues:(beyond #1 our National Security)

Energy and Healthcare

Every Politician can lay claim to an Energy plan like the space race .....Along with many think tanks, gosh even my lil blog posted such an idea way back,

Now - Will the next President Make It Happen?
Will it be driven by incentives to the innvoation of private enterprise?

The Healthcare tangled mess will also best be solved by innovation, Better diagnostics - quality Up and Cost Down. Not by big regulation
Government can focus on the "funding" and rewards for those that get it right.

Oil shale is the fuel of the future, and always will be," goes a popular saying in Western Colorado.

pogo,

This is from the WSJ.

On nuclear power, Sen. Obama says he's open to expanding nuclear energy, which now provides 20% of the nation's electricity, as part of an effort to increase power sources that emit little or no carbon dioxide. But he also has said there is no future for expanded nuclear energy until the U.S. comes up with a safe, long-term solution for disposing of nuclear waste. He opposes the Bush administration's plan for storing waste at Yucca Mountain in Nevada.

Now couple that with this. So the only energy source he can be thinking of going to is CNG.

"I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It's just that it will bankrupt them."

So the only energy source Obama can be thinking of going to is, CNG.

Amory Lovins -

I think a good way to smoke out corporate socialists in free-marketeers' clothing is to ask whether they agree that all ways to save or produce energy should be allowed to compete fairly at honest prices, regardless of which kind they are, what technology they use, where they are, how big they are, or who owns them. I can tell you who won't be in favor of it: the incumbent monopolists, monopsonists, and oligarchs who don't like competition and new market entrants. But whether they like it or not, competition happens. It's particularly keen on the demand side.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19995726/

Anon - first cousin to a slip rule.

Gordo, better spend a little more time watching TV - I went up to get a snack and there it was on the tube. Fox has a reporter on the scene, and even THEY are reporting it as a no big deal deal.

Spike, lot of wiggle room there. :-)

from the same story -

So in 2005, micropower added 11 times as much capacity and four times as much output as nuclear worldwide, and not a single new nuclear project on the planet is funded by private risk capital. What does this tell you? I think it tells you that nuclear, and indeed other central power stations, have associated costs and financial risks that make them unattractive to private investors. Even when our government approved new subsidies on top of the old ones in August 2005 -- roughly equal to the entire capital costs of the next-gen nuclear plants -- Standard & Poor's reaction in two reports was that it wouldn't materially improve the builders' credit ratings, because the risks private capital markets are concerned about are still there.

So I think even such a massive intervention will give you about the same effect as defibrillating a corpse -- it will jump but it will not revive.

Anselm,

From what I understand, there are 2 different processes for oil and gas production.

The process of drilling for oil is that you drill to the pocket and then just pump it out.

With gas, because it's not all in big pools like the oil is, they must drill down, then drill over and they pump sand, water and other chemicals to fracture the plates to get at the gas. The process generates seismic activity, heavily polluted water that needs to be either trucked out or pumped into "safely lined waste wells"

There are concerns about mounting health problems with gas drilling that I don't think exist with oil drilling... http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=7262

No Single point of Failure.... Distributive system.

Anon - Common Ground?

Anselm, I don't know how you (or the WSJ) can conclude that of all the energy sources out there that have been and are being developed, CNG is the only one Obama could have been thinking of. Now if you believe that when he talked about pursuing "using coal in a clean way, we should pursue it" he was talking about extraction of NG from coal seams and liquifying it, maybe he was. I don't think so. They talk about coal liquification and gassification (as opposed to drilling and extraction of NG from coalfields) as "clean coal technology" around here all the time and in every publication related to the coal industry. - and we get all of them here at work. I'm guessing that is what he was referring to as far as using coal in a cleaner way is concerned. NG is just another fossil fuel that happens to coexist with coal. NG, like solar, wind, etc. could be used in exchange for coal's carbon credits in the cap and trade system.

Obama's grandmother's absentee vote counts

Hawaii election officials said today that an absentee ballot believed to have been cast recently by Madelyn Payne Dunham, who died from cancer late Sunday, would count.

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/15487

Jack

Jax, Pogo

Government funds can be specifically targeted as a matter of law--corporate funds should be used in a way that maximizes return to the corporation's shareholders whether or not that use is in the traditional business of the corporation--otherwise they should be returned to the shareholders in the form of dividends.

Both Obama and McCain grab onto marketable concepts to sound like they have a plan,

Talk to industry experts and you get a role of the eyes on comments from both....

Bear - I thought Strug was the Gas Expert?

The beauty of the systems Lovins is talking about are as follows.
If Ping's capitalist castle gets hit by lighting , Jacks middle class mansion's lights are still burning.
Just ask Tokyo Electric, they own the world's largest nuclear power station, 7 reactors. Not one has made one electron since July 16, 2007.
Tokyo Electric has been spending 2.5 Billion a month in to replace the lost production. And another 4.5 Billion on repairs, and they're still working.

Who's picking up the tab, for this blunder ?
Japanese tax payers.

I just realized you asked about capped wells...I am not sure. I think they fill them with concrete but I don't know.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168591

Patsi,

One of the more famous quotes of Queen Elizabeth I when she was fighting with her male courtiers was,

""Had I, my lords, been born crested, not cloven, you had not treated me thus!"

"I may not be a lion, but I am a lion's cub, and I have a lion's heart"

GOTDO,

The way Obama stole the caucuses was by being better organized and by realizing the results counted...

If Geraldine Ferraro can vote for the BHO, then I think many in Dem land will tell this documentarian to STFU...

Ping -

Group hung !

I'm the only one who knows beans about gas.

Ping Pong,

I'm by no means an expert. However, the only thing to read at the Dr that is updated is the Fort Worth Weekly and since I'm there twice a week you learn about the troubles with the gas drilling.

Anon - Common Ground

If you are going to rebuild - do it smart

Crap - I thought is was strug -- My Bad... It is Flatus - it is obvious.
I blew that one.....
Oh that stinks

Hung -- Well not sure

We either hang together, or we hang separately.

Report in WSJ tjhat Paulson could help non traditional banks with Bailout! Ouch...
Like ge - that has a lot of talk about it lately - wonder how bad their balance sheet really is with that big finance unit - and the NBC Entertainment...

No wonder we see more of the long arm of Jack not only touching the likes of KO and AM Joe - but now Paulson? - sure he is still very vested.

If the energy problem gets away from us (The World), and I fear it will .... There will be no running off to the woods .... to live like Grizzly Adams. Because you'll be bumping into a lot people with the same plan, and they'll be just as well armed as you .

Exxon will use the 14 bil and any gov $ that it can get its hands on to advance new technologies for just one reason, and one reason only, so they can effectively control and manipulate prices,in the fuure as they are today,,they lobby to limit gov. grants for R and D, i believe that the bush admin.has cut funding? if there are no oversights total free market is just exploitation of the working class,,,,,are there any more bushes being groomed for another few trillion by design mistakes that they never see coming? and will the people fall for another bush-----people say that he is stupid---i don't he is dumb as a fox to me

Who owns shares of Exxon Mobile?
Solar - I agree that once to a point like utility monopoly then regulation must come in...

But in Energy you have big companies not only in the Fossil fuel business but electrical equipment - Like ge, siemens and Hitachi, mitsubitchi

One small idea could kick everyone in the ......

I'm off for the rest of the day...

I hope you all enjoy watching the results come in...

At the risk of sounding a bit corny...I'm sure that our fallen soldiers, past and present are relieved that a fundamental right for which they died, our right to vote, was finally exercised by a large majority of our eligible electorate today.

From the Frontline program HEAT -

This is the 9th section of the program , it deals with us summoning the Political will to tackle the problem. It is excellent television, and it makes the point that we're in this pickle because the coal lobby, is pitted against the corn lobby, and the oil lobby is elbowing the electric lobby. And no one is willing to stand for all of us.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/view/9.html

And Bear is completely right about the problems with gas drilling.

Bear -
No corn in those feelings, no corn at all.

Bear - Nothing Corny - That is a great accomplishment and we need to keep moving.........

And Anon did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Posted this instead of links -- need to understand the corrupt SoetorObama campaign.
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Bear --------------------------

Hillary Backers Decry Massive Obama Vote Fraud

"Already in Iowa, the Obama campaign was breaking the rules, busing in supporters from neighboring states to vote illegally in the first contest in the primaries and physically intimidating Hillary supporters, they say.

But Lynette Long, a Hillary supporter from Bethesda, Md., who has a long and respected academic career, believes Obama’s victory in Iowa and in 12 other caucus states was no miracle. “It was fraud,”...

“After studying the procedures and results from all 14 caucus states, interviewing dozens of witnesses, and reviewing hundreds of personal stories, my conclusion is that the Obama campaign willfully and intentionally defrauded the American public by systematically undermining the caucus process,” she said"

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_voter_fraud/2008/10/27/144303.html?promo_code=2A89-1
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Well,

This article (newsmax) that has been posted is a good one. Mainstream media will surely disregard it again, because their "God" is being accused......

I have read and know that what is in there is mostly true. We have seen NC and my family has experienced what the BO campign has achieved...
This and many more reasons is why I never will vote for the guy.
For me the struggle of the AA´s is still on even after BO will be elected....

Posted by: Jason Author Profile Page | October 29, 2008 4:21 AM

Show Trial -
See Q from Star Trek.

No Ping
I stayed at a converted POW camp in Douglas, Wyo. The White Lilly Court.

$19.95 a day, 70 bucks a week.

Jack---thank u for going out of your way for me, about that bridge info,, i did a project for a contractor that had been given awarded a fountain ( at 19 parks) project,,,even though he was a much bigger co. than me,,,he had no idea how to get started, let alone do them,, I kept him away for the first cpl but, by the third he learned from me and started to not pay me, i liened them, he paid me, but he did the rest of them, it wet my whistle to that type of work----he later came to be and wanted to co-venture a cpl of small over pass bridges that allow the traffic to go thru,and the railroad cars above on the new constructed bridge,,,i read and studied the plans for wks, but decided against the co-venture with him, but till day i sometimes wish that i had------that would really have measured my ability as a contractor ( had at that time about 12-16 workers--the most i had at one time was 28 ) that is the reason that i followed the Mnn. project a little,,any tanks a lot, tu amigo

One good thing, we don't have to listen to that McCain speech anymore.

Sit Down! Sit Down!
And Shut-up! Shut-up!

Shut-up! for America, this is America and we never Shut-up!

Anon

Just so you don't develop withdrawal symptoms, I'll address you as "My friends" for the next 10 days.

Unfortunately, I will be on the road when the first polls close, but home in time for the group thing here.

Jamie -

I voted early, and I made a terrible mistake .... I just found out John McCain is a POW.

Jamie -- "Just so you don't develop withdrawal symptoms, I'll address you as "My friends" for the next 10 days"

Many of us appreciate the offer. I was getting the shakes just thinking about it...

Exit poll leaks for the addicted

Obama by 4 in Pennsylvania, by 2 in Virginia, trailing by 2 in North Carolina, leading by 1 in Florida, leading by 1 in Ohio.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDAxN2M3ODRlMDE3ZmFmYzFjN2U1MWQwOTdmZmQ0NTU=

Jack

i had to turn around and come back----i live near chicago an i thought that we could vote more than once,,,my son said, no no thats just for R daley when he runs for mayor,,,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168382

Hey Stacey
Hello,I have been to your wonderful country 7 times and love it!! Where you from in Australia?Thanks for your comment

Anselm - since I'm the one who made the biggest fuss, I want to say I appreciate your apology. Thanks.

I have only heard the term once before, from a dear dear friend, a Viet Nam veteran who was shot down twice. He said it in his own home in front of his wife and me, while making a joke. He didn't get away with it, but still he knew who his audience was - the two of us.

I have always felt that when you don't know who is in your audience, you should be more careful with the words that come out of your mouth. I swear easily, but only when I know the words won't offend some sweet thing , such as a little old grandma or grandpa or a child who would then learn to use the word. Radio, tv, whatever, the audience deserves to be treated with respect.

I was musing about all this yesterday - things stick with me - and realized that most pejorative ethnic and racial terms have been identified as no nos, even if they are s till used.........except for terms for women, which seem to be very graphic and physical. I think that is truly the last frontier, admitting that women are attacked verbally and physically more than any other group around today and in the past.

One question for anybody willing to read more:
If your teen-age daughter brought her boyfriend home and you were having a chat to get top know him, and he referred to her as a split-tail, what would your reaction be?

Patsi - or Jamie - did Reagan really think Noonan was a stalker?????I love the thought - she is one of the most annoying people I've ever come across.

Ping----70% said O will raise taxes----61% said McCain will too???

Hello my fellow-listers!! I am SO stoked, I actually PAID for the beer!! Cmon UP if ya wanna be part of the Tylenol Family Civics Lesson!!

Sturge
What a coincidence,I have friends in Bendigo also and have been there on every one of my visits to Australia.I spent Christmas in Bendigo 2 years ago..Wonderful place..

Solar - good one! By the way, thanks for the support.
I'm off to vote - champers is cooling - good company!
Can't wait to get that foot off my neck!!!!!!!

Heading back to bed...

However, I have been informed that my on-air presence at KAOS radio will be at 7:40 am pacific time, 9:40 am central time, and 10:40 am eastern time. The organizer for the political programs forgot that DEMOCRACY NOW will have a 2 hour special...

Anyway, the discussion will be an expat's take on the election. http://www.kaosradio.org for those who'd like to listen.

Tony---

Hey Stacey
Hello,I have been to your wonderful country 7 times and love it!! Where you from in Australia?Thanks for your comment

What a coincidence,I have friends in Bendigo also and have been there on every one of my visits to Australia.I spent Christmas in Bendigo 2 years ago..Wonderful place..

i don't envy people with $, or Cars, or anything,except the well traveled,,,,keep it up mister and i will send u one fine cold dust up for you in florida!

Well I waited until dinner was on the table and getting cold but I did finally come home to Obama. My anger over Hillary losing was one reason I hated supporting anyone else. Sorry Hillary it wasn't you. I still feel she would have been the best choice. One day women may crack that glass ceiling but I doubt in my life time.

Their is no loyalty in sisterhood. There is great loyalty in the AA. Obama will win big because of the loyalty of the AA. That is a good thing. Now at least they can say there is nothing they can't do. As for women, they only have themselves to blame. I fought sexism most of my professional career but it seems our younger sisters just wouldn't take up the torch. It's their problem now.

Hey C-Listers!! Can you believe we made it this far!!

Anyway, before the action really begins . . . I wanted to take this time to thank everyone here for sharing the ups and downs of this historic election - going all the way back to the brutal battles we waged here during the Primary.

It was a great experience to share so many election nights and news cycles with a group of passionate, educated and funny people.

I learned a ton.

Big thanks to Craig for making it all possible.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...

heaven help us

do we really have to wait four years for another election.......picked a bad time to quit drinking!

...pretty sure it's an auto-timer thread going live at 8:00.....

About this guy Sean Hannity.

He talks as fast as a chipmunk and is whining like a little girl already.

Amazing how the Republicans can keep on, in good conscience, about "redistributing the wealth" when it was they who just "redistributed the wealth" to the wealthy...Wall Street & banking folks. They have no conscience.

They think they've lost, and they're whining about "ballot stuffing". Funny that there were ALL kind voting screw ups when Bush won, eh?

tt

Anselm - I also want to agree fervently with you about insults to the men and women in our armed forces. That's why I'll never forgive Schwarzkoff and Powell for saying our soldiers couldn't be counted on to work with gays in the military! Those two old men are homophobes. (BTW, did it occur to you that the term you used also applied to women in the armed forces?)

Ct - glad to see your post. I really enjoyed you long post the other night and feel exactly the same.

How long has Craig's blog been up? What do you guys talk about when there is no election coming up?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/its-vote-counting-time.html#comment-168716

Solar
Hey,Hey,I haven't seen snow in a long and I would like to keep it that way!! I know you have the power ,so be kind,nothing lower in temp. that 70 degree's, Please!HA HA. I hope you get to travel sometime soon and if you can consider Australia,it takes a long time to get there usually 24 hours travel time from the East coast. Its well worth it! Think WARM thoughts....

“Democracy is the theory that the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it. Good and hard.” -- H.L. Mencken.

:How long has Craig's blog been up? What do you guys talk about when there is no election coming up? --- Posted by: ct "

ct, ha, we talk about ourselves, our favorite topic

Hey All
I just returned from voting an hour ago and according to all in the precinct its a record turnout for here! I think that means well for the Democrats.I hope Prop.#2 fails(Marriage= one man,one woman) I'm so tired of this shit from Republicans.I also am more concerned about the marriage Prop in California, because I hate for my friends Clinton and Ismael and many others to have there marriages nullified again! Go Dem's

ct....
this blog has been around in some form since June 7th 2005..... there are a few of us who have been around as long or nearly as long...... many, many have come and gone..... and I for one...... LOVE newbies!.... the more the merrier...

I really have loved reading about your soul searching in terms of who to vote for..... I pretty much knew I would vote all Democratic from the beginning.... just a matter of if I'd vote for Obama or write in Clinton.....

the Republicans so deserve a time-out..... IMO....

"whining like a little girl"

Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | November 4, 2008 6:23 PM

Thanks Bethy. It has been a long hard grief process. I was never so passionate about a political candidate as I was about Hillary. I somehow identified with her. I took her loss personally.

It was a hard year all around. I broke three vertebrae in my back in May, two they didn't even see until 4 months later after I stirred up pain trying to prepare for another hurricane. Two surgeries later and scared to death I would be disabled for the rest of my life. Since there was no one to take my place at work and I needed my job to survive I willed myself back to functioning and amazingly I am OK now.

Then to top that off I lost most of my savings in investments. I can't wait until this year is over and I am glad this election is almost over. I am sick to death of politics but I am still addicted to it.

Carol

Well, my daughter stood in line in Cincinnati for you, Bri Bri.....

I do enjoy learning about each of you but I get a little confused about what I have learned about who. I wish I could go to a place where each of you gives some personal info so I can keep it straight or gay if that is the case. Craig's picture video helped seeing faces but I would like to know more. This is an interesting and diverse group.

How did Lindsay Graham get re-elected? And why? It seemed like everytime I looked at the tube, he was pallin' around with Gramps McCain and Fuddyduddy Lieberman.

How is Murtha going to do in his redneck district?

Some Intrade.com election market updates (6:30pm CST):

Probability Obama will win the nomination: 94%

Predicted Obama Electoral College votes: Between 330 & 340

Predicted voter turnout: Over 60% of the population

Predicted number of Democratic Senate seats: 56-60

Florida is now predicted to be won by Obama

North Carolina, Indiana and Ohio Presidential races and the Minnesota Senate race still too close to call...

Like rust, that's specifically what I meant.

tt

Tonight's birthday theme...courtesy of my family:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk

""whining like a little girl"

Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | November 4, 2008 6:23 PM"

Oh Sweet Jeezus, tell me Tiptoe didn't really say that.

Obama has a good chance to lose considering the current trends

i only ask one thing tonight, please, IGNORE EXIT POLLS -- they are a menace, usually wrong, and, btw, a violation of ballot privacy (which is why many voters significantly refuse to participate, for good reason, and inherently skew the results)

Just checked out FOX to hear from "the other side." They're rationalizing their (assumed) losses by complaining that the idea of voting on Tuesday is antiquated, saying that more (Republicans) would have turned out if voting were held over a weekend.

biggest news for Obama tonight is that he's outperforming Kerry in rural areas -- that's the victory margin in general elections

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