Hey World, We're Sorry

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Craig considers how Barack Obama embodies our apology to the world for going nuts after 9/11. (Produced by CQ's Andrew Satter)

 

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  1. With the passage of Amendent 2 in Florida and Prop 8 in California we have started down the path of a Theocracy where we have put biblical laws into man's laws.

    The Extremists Religious Right will further work to force their Religious beliefs upon American Citizens like the Taliban and Islamic Fundamentalist in Muslim Countries force their Religious beliefs in their Countries.

    The Republican Fascist Nazi's are the American Taliban.

    It appears that I was wrong about there being elections this year, however don't forget that Bush still has til January 20th. next year that he can still declare Martial Law since he don't give a crap about American Citizens and will do what he wants to no matter what anyone says.

    He still can use the power of the NSPD-51 and its companion bill for Homeland Security along with the powers from the MCA of 2006 anytime he chooses to.

    If you were him and facing accountability for your crimes would you allow anyone the chance to arrest you?

    Think about that for awhile.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:31 AM

  2. cool Jaimie, let's change the world

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:48 AM

  3. let's change the world

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:48 AM

    Isn't that the Bush Doctrine? Silly rabbits...

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 12:52 AM

  4. no champ, c'mon pal, let's change the world

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:56 AM

  5. *rolls eyes*

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 12:58 AM

  6. u can do it, champ, come on

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:59 AM

  7. Nah, dude; all you. I'm aware I subscribe to an anachronistic social philosophy. I'm just along for the ride. More of you than there are of me. So be it. It ain't going to be all flowers and sunshine, though; I'll guarantee you that.

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:03 AM

  8. I'm a cynic. So sue me.

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:06 AM

  9. Phillis Wheatley, “a Negro slave born in Africa…”, was the first American poet.
    IMAGINATION
    Imagination! who can sing thy force?
    Or who describe the swiftness of thy course?
    Soaring through air to find the bright abode,
    Th’ empyreal palace of the thundering God,
    We on thy pinions can surpass the wind,
    And leave the rolling universe behind.
    From star to star the mental optics rove,
    Measure the skies, and range the realms above;
    There in one view we grasp the mighty whole,
    Or with new worlds amaze th’ unbounded soul.

    ....I am convinced Ms. Wheatley saw The White House in a vision..."the bright abode..." ...she lived before it was built.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:06 AM

  10. you can do it champ, i know u can, give up your infallibility and take a chance

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:06 AM

  11. I suppose all I have to do is clap my hands, right? Take a chance on what? Undefined 'change'? Human beings are avaricious, myopic, superstitious, frightened creatures. 100,000 years of history hasn't been undone.

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:13 AM

  12. just clap your hands friend. we'll change the world. why not?

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:14 AM

  13. liddy dole is a gnat in the grand scheme of things

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:23 AM

  14. To whom are 'we' sorry, anyway? The Afghanis, who can't depose a tyrannical and oppressive regime even with the installation of a puppet government backed by the strongest military on earth? The Iraqis, who capitalized on the removal of yet another oppressive dictator by slaughtering each other? How about the Russians, who thirst for a return to regional, if not world, supremacy, and must be thrilled by our eagerness to subvert our own hegemony? The Chinese, who still throw people in jail for daring to speak their minds as I'm doing now? How about Venezuela, who intimidate and silence journalists? Who else am I leaving out? Americans should be apologizing to themselves for pissing away whatever semblance of democracy and freedom we ever had. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for allowing the most corrupt and incompetent administration in recent memory for running its course in full. Yes, you did!

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:24 AM

  15. c'mon champ, i want u on board with changing the world

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:26 AM

  16. Try reverse psychology. Insert Mark Twain quote here.

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:28 AM

  17. i'm not givin up on u champ

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:29 AM

  18. "He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:35 AM

  19. Don't blame me for paying attention in high school.

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:36 AM

  20. gin-scented tears are a start, my friend. i'll sleep on it.

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:38 AM

  21. As Prescott Bush moved away from public life, his son G.H.W. Bush entered. Prescott Bush had been in the Senate since 1952.
    With the ousting of Liddy Dole, 2009 will be the first time in 57 years neither a Bush or a Dole is in government.
    The worm has turned.
    Change is upon us.
    Gee, fellas, my tears of remembrance the past 24 hours and my elation at having Obama at 1600 ain't gonna change anything.
    Just being free of the Bushes and Doles is enough change for me right now.
    Being through , on a daily basis, with Scooter and Dick, Abramhoff and Alberto is enough for now.
    There ain't gonna be no free lunch, we know that...right now the change may be just spiritual, and that's enough for tonight.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:38 AM

  22. Ok. Have a good night.

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:41 AM

  23. "All the world's a stage,
    And all the men and women merely players:
    They have their exits and their entrances;
    And one man in his time plays many parts,
    His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
    Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
    And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
    And shining morning face, creeping like snail
    Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
    Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
    Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
    Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
    Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
    Seeking the bubble reputation
    Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
    In fair round belly with good capon lined,
    With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
    Full of wise saws and modern instances;
    And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
    Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
    With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
    His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
    For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
    Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
    And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
    That ends this strange eventful history,
    Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
    Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."

    -a million monkeys on typewriters

    Posted by: champ | November 6, 2008 1:51 AM

  24. ...no gin-scented tears for me last night...is ginger ale (diet) close enough?
    Last night was a great catharsis for me. It came at me from out of left field and smacked me around for a good hour...and when I turned on the TV it hit me again today.
    I've been a newshound all my life...I was for Adlai in 1956 and I was just six years old...as a kid I'd get to the newspaper drop a half hour early to read the paper before I delivered my route on my bicycle.
    I suffered when I read of the 4 little girls in Birmingham...I was aware of all the strife , and I saw great social injustices played out as I rode a bus for two summers playing baseball on a mostly African American team.
    All that crap came back at once in living color and I rejoiced internally so hard I sprung a leak and tears flowed and flowed. Change is upon us, it's here, I am excited. Let the world know that ...well...let's listen to JFK:
    "Let the word go forth from this time and place. . .to friend and foe alike. . . that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans. . . born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage. . .and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today. . .at home and around the world. "

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:52 AM

  25. Enjoyed the comments Dex.
    I'm a couple years behind you. I wasn't hit by the victory until a caught a glimpse of Jesse and then when I was happy for Joe B.

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 2:12 AM

  26. I don't feel like saying sorry to the world - I feel like saying something but don't know what. The world has made mistakes, too, and they have no need to apologize, either. The world has certainly helped to create the kind of hatred our enemies feel.

    I think what I want to say to the world is that we didn't like what was done in our name either, and we are going to do things differently - please, work with us.

    What one thing will W be remembered for? I think maybe the main word is 'bankruptcy.' He has bankrupted us in terms of money, decency, selfrespect, optimism, reputation, defense, law, science, arts, insight, understanding, compassion - close to every aspect of our lives....but we are on our way back up now already.

    People who actually have brains are using them - hallelujah! People who actually want to work are starting to do the real work, not vacationing . The clowns are here but they're leaving!

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 3:14 AM

  27. Anselm - what a nice post. It has also lowered my blood pressure. I'm thrilled to meet you when you're not under pressure!

    Jason - you look exactly the way I expected you to, especially the smile on your face. My god, I expect the dutch women love you!

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 4:03 AM

  28. (Sarcasm Alert)
    Dex -
    Who's Adlai ?

    Craig ... Keep workin' on Champ, it's a noble endeavor. Maybe offer him some kibbles or a set of steel belted radials.

    Champ -
    Tell me more about how I can cry gin soaked tears. Are they available in other favors ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 6:12 AM

  29. From my E-mail inbox-

    Boone here,

    Years ago my dad told me that we always need to get behind the new President, regardless of who we vote for. He told me that after Election Day, we all go back to being Americans first and party loyalists second.

    His advice to me then is just as important today as it was then - maybe even more so.

    President-elect Obama will need our help to end our addiction to foreign oil. The answer to this problem is not about one idea or one individual - it’s about all of us coming together to solve this problem.

    I'm sending President-elect Obama a hand-written note congratulating him on his victory and would like to ask you to do the same - an email, post-card or letter – regardless of whether or not you voted for him. Let him know we're here to help him make a difference and that his support of the Pickens Plan is our country’s way to create hundreds of thousands of new energy jobs and kick-start this ailing economy.

    Click here to email President-elect Obama.

    -Boone

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 6:14 AM

  30. ROFL, Anon & "Boone"

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 6:25 AM

  31. If y'all gonna change the world........could you start in SC?

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 6:31 AM

  32. Craig -
    I'd like to see a review on just how wrong conventional wisdom was this year. Just a few come to mind.
    1. Latinos won't vote for a black
    2. Hillary won't support Obama
    3. Hillary's supporters will vote for McCain
    4. Missouri is a bell weather (McCain won by 13 points)

    Just want the hell is a bell weather anyway ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 6:34 AM

  33. wether

    A bellwether is any entity in a given arena that serves to create or influence trends or to presage future happenings.

    The term is derived from the Middle English bellewether and refers to the practice of placing a bell around the neck of a castrated ram (a wether) leading its flock of sheep. The movements of the flock could be perceived by hearing the bell before the flock was in sight.

    good old googler

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 6:37 AM

  34. "Just want the hell is a bell weather anyway ?"

    A concept Missouri promotes....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 6:38 AM

  35. If y'all gonna change the world........could you start in SC?

    We'll need to start on something easier first, Sturg.

    Maybe the Gaza Strip or the Balkans ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 6:38 AM

  36. I can say that because I once lived in Missouri....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 6:39 AM

  37. SC.......too small to be a nation, too large to be an insane asylum...............

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 6:42 AM

  38. castrated ram (a wether)

    The mind reels with with the possibilities .... Thanks for that research Sturg.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 6:43 AM

  39. A bust of James L. Petigru is on display. Petigru was a determined unionist who declared, "South Carolina was too small to be a sovereign nation and too large for an insane asylum" in 1861 during the Secession Convention. Despite his unionist views, the city honored him with a bust after his death and he was very highly regarded. The bulge in the iron railing of the balcony was designed to accommodate hoop skirts.

    http://www.mlrsinc.com/surveys/charlestondescript.htm

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 6:48 AM

  40. possibly europe's first and largest pyramids perhaps discovered in Bosnia

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0420_060420_pyramid.html

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 6:53 AM

  41. The term is derived from the Middle English bellewether -

    I love the fact that a word that's maybe a 1,000 years old from English agriculture is being used in our political discourse.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 6:53 AM

  42. some random tho'ts, analyses, and snarks found in the keg dregs and cork at the bottom of the wineglass:

    1. "otherness" issue m penn tried to promote. imo the "exotica" of obama and palin were turn-ons, not turn-offs for many of the newly motivated voters. especially for the msm.

    2. joe the gaffer. biden, like gerald ford, became a lovable stan laurel the more he goofed-up.

    3. wardrobe handlers for the mesdames michelle, cindy and sarah. good grades most of the time, especially in coordination with spouse ties, tots wear, etc. cindy's colors off the wall at times. big no-no was mo's dress tuesday. probably looked fabulous in person, but was camera unfriendly. brought out my latent arachniphobia. google blk wid spiders.

    Posted by: patd | November 6, 2008 6:56 AM

  43. from the same link above: what followed, of course, after James L Petigru's most sagacious non-secession advice:


    During his 1863 visit to the City, Jefferson Davis spoke to the people of Charleston from the front steps of City Hall. He assured the people of Charleston that the South would fight until there was nothing but ruins for they North to capture. The crowd chanted, "Ruins! Ruins!" in response.

    of course, again, sherman decided to spare charleston by going upstate instead.....(friends in charleston.....lol) for which upstate later responded by routing I-95 NOT thru charleston but 60 miles upstate from the coast........I THINK that was the reason........

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 6:59 AM

  44. As long as we're changing the world.

    I move we finally complete that long, and difficult job of moving Lou Dobbs from the CNN anchor desk to the one he was made for :

    A giant gas filled balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.
    He can follow the "Morning Joe" float.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 7:05 AM

  45. not sure, but strong possibility of Margaret Mitchell's having used Petigru's speeches to the Secession Convention as basis for Rhett Butler's speech to the assembled hot-heads preparing for war in GWTW.

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 7:07 AM

  46. ""otherness" issue m penn tried to prom"

    Keep in mind that Hillary turned that concept down....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 7:09 AM

  47. Sturge -- even though two of my great-grandfathers fought in the Union Army, I have to say that I like the Charleston story of Matrons and Belles serving Union officers Oleander tea .....is that one truth or myth?

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 7:12 AM

  48. Craig - true for the few....

    Grade today D

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 7:14 AM

  49. Patsi.....have not heard that one.....

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 7:15 AM

  50. The crowd chanted, "Ruins! Ruins!" in response.

    The "base" has been around a long time. Any reports of plumbers in the crowd ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 7:17 AM

  51. my great granders were southren.....georgia and NC......but my GG's 90 yr old mother rode a mule from atlanta to merriwether county .........I'd have to find the book to get the details of that one............

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 7:19 AM

  52. Craig

    You have simplified the issue. This was a very over simplified lack of depth and analysis, Madison ave entry today.

    As one that travels globally – I do not run into the “hate” that I run into here in my own country.

    Thank God we have not been attacked again.

    Now True Barack has already started to market himself to the world.
    But many are also looking and laughing as they see that most voted against one and default found Barack.
    Which Barack?

    McCain could have won – this is not a mandate – do not make it one

    Barack might be one term

    Craig - find more self respect - America does not change on the President

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 7:20 AM

  53. Ping -
    "Here's yer sign"

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 7:21 AM

  54. Off to Jury Duty -
    The Same process before, during and after George Bush
    Is Barack going to change this process?

    Which Barack shows up.

    Maybe the one term Barack

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 7:27 AM

  55. And that was almost an F for Craig,
    Had I not known him so long and I think this is out of Character.

    Maybe he has been near the Kool-Aid of Barack to much with all the parties this last day?

    Ping back later...

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 7:28 AM

  56. "McCain could have won"

    And giant space monkeys could fly out yer butt too.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 7:29 AM

  57. During a heated debate at Twelve Oaks going on among the gentlemen about the impending War of the States.

    Excited and patriotic southerners boastfully predicted a quick victory, led by Gerald O'Hara: "The Yankees can't fight and we can!" Ashley Wilkes attempted to cool off the room full of Southern hotheads, hoping that the North will let the South leave the Union without war: "Most of the miseries of the world were caused by wars. And, when the wars were over, no one ever knew what they were about."

    The rogue of a good family from Charleston, and turned out of West Point, Rhett expressed his lone dissent from the optimistic voices. He disagreed with the fervent patriotism of the Confederates: "I think it's hard winning a war with words, gentlemen...I'm saying very plainly that the Yankees are better equipped than we .. All we've got is cotton and slaves, arrogance and our British allies."

    He realistically believed that the South's cause was doomed to failure because of its gradually declining resources - he spoils everyone's enthusiasm for war: The full story of Gone with the Wind is described at Film.org

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 7:37 AM

  58. end of thread hi-jack........lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 7:40 AM

  59. "However, perhaps one of the most astounding and previously unknown tidbits about Sarah Palin has to do with her already dubious grasp of geography. According to Fox News Chief Political Correspondent Carl Cameron, there was great concern within the McCain campaign that Palin lacked "a degree of knowledgeability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, a heartbeat away from the presidency," in part because she didn't know which countries were in NAFTA, and she "didn't understand that Africa was a continent, rather than a series, a country just in itself.""

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

    _____________________

    That loud roar you hear is the the Republican party feeding it's self into a wood chipper.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 7:42 AM

  60. Is russia REALLY visible from Anchorage or Wasilla?

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 7:43 AM

  61. Sturg -

    When this place gets hi-jacked it has one of two poles .

    Gone With the Wind

    Plant of the Apes

    More pop corn !

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 7:50 AM

  62. ""otherness" issue m penn tried to prom"
    Keep in mind that Hillary turned that concept down....

    patsi, that she did. also there probably were many more questionable tactics that she nixed. those stories will make a good book someday...... hint hint hint

    Posted by: patd | November 6, 2008 7:55 AM

  63. Craig, If you think Americans voted for Obama as an apology to the world, I think your citizenship is about to be revoked. That sentiment sounds almost Canadian.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | November 6, 2008 7:57 AM

  64. Obama wins by more electoral votes and popular votes than Bush did who declared a mandate when he won, which the RFN's also declared was a mandate.

    However they now believe that Obama's win is not a mandate.

    Once again the Republicans are out of touch with the people.

    Who would have thought that?

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:00 AM

  65. Missouri was ALOT closer than 16 points. It was .2% According to Sec. of State Robin Carnahan. Besides check out the effect of Ralph Nader and others.

    http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/allresults.asp?eid=256

    Posted by: truebeliever Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:17 AM

  66. mornin' all.

    Ping, I know you're at jury duty, but you'll be back soon enough - they almost all settle, don't they?

    "McCain could have won – this is not a mandate – do not make it one"

    Substitute any loser's name for McCain, and this phrase is worn out from overuse. It may not be a mandate for Obama, but if you don't think the election was a mandate to reverse field and turn from the failed Republican policies of the past 7 3/4 years, Ping, you've been out of the coutry too often and for too long. Get clear eyed - Obama won based on some alchemy of something he referred to as change and on economic and foreign policy promises. Did the younger voters and minority voters make the difference? Perhaps. But the voters gave him larger margins in both houses of Congress to effect the change and policies he ran on. You don't like analyzing that way? Try this then - Obama successfully ties McCain to Bush and the failed policies of the past 7 3/4 years and the voters rejected a continuation of those policies. Either way - it spells mandate for change from Repub/Conservative/Bushco policies. To what? Ahhh, there's the rub. That's what we have Congress for, isn't it?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:19 AM

  67. Ping, I don't think Congress heard ya on that "this is not a mandate" thing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06cong.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

    McCain could have won - yep, if more people voted for him.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:23 AM

  68. True _

    I stand corrected . I was using a flash map that showed the results of one county.
    Must be those gin soaked tears.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 8:25 AM

  69. Anon you must be thinking of our governor's race.

    Posted by: truebeliever Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:26 AM

  70. Anon

    Well granted Missouri looks like a pool of blood when you look at the counties individually! But we tried!!

    Posted by: truebeliever Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:29 AM

  71. There'll be a change in the weather, a change in the sea.
    Before long there'll be a change in me.
    My walk will be diff'rent, my talk and my name,
    Ain't nothin' about me is gonna to be the same.
    I'm goin' to change my way of livin', boys, (if) that ain't enough,
    Well then I'll change the way I strut my stuff,
    Nobody wants you when you're old and gray.
    There'll be some changes made to-daaay.
    There'll be some changes made.

    benny

    Posted by: patd | November 6, 2008 8:31 AM

  72. "...serving Union officers Oleander tea."

    Certainly gives meaning to, "After you, my dear."

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:33 AM

  73. From the wood chipper file :

    Red State calls it a Leper Colony, I'm still goin' with the Fargo metaphor.
    ------------------------------
    RedState is pleased to announce it is engaging in a special project: Operation Leper.

    We're tracking down all the people from the McCain campaign now whispering smears against Governor Palin to Carl Cameron and others. Michelle Malkin has the details.

    We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them. Naturally then, you'll see us go to war against those candidates.

    It is our expressed intention to make these few people political lepers.

    http://www.redstate.com/diaries/erick/2008/nov/05/operation-leper/
    ---------------------

    More pop corn

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 8:36 AM

  74. LOL at champ's misunderstanding from yesterday of my (at least) intent re: Gordo. (And your shot at the lengthy responses after saying go away sounds like it was aimed at me - I tend to respond at more length than most). If I say "Go away" it's rhetorical. I rather enjoy pointing out the idiocy of his reasoning. Go away? Unity? I hope you don't think you got those messages from me. I became a lawyer because I LIKE arguing, and I don't do unity very well. If you think that is what I want Gordo to do, you don't read my retorts to G-man deeply enough. If I really wanted him to go away, I would either agree with him or ignore him.

    OK Patsi I give - XPQZ??? WTF?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:39 AM

  75. Mandates are nothing more than starting point in achieving consensus. In this case, there're still almost half the people that still must buy into the process. That's were leadership comes in.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:40 AM

  76. Good morning all! Sturge, love that book. I have a first edition and inside is a note of all the people (15) who went in on the book. "On the date specified please pass this book to the person whose name follows yours" Used to hide my money in it, then realized the error of my ways!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:41 AM

  77. were = where

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:42 AM

  78. Sturge...I was studying the county-by-county results in SC and was, first of all, surprised by all the blue counties. Then, looking further, I was amazed that the big Obama margins in the corridor anchored by Charleston and Richland counties could be offset statewide when the only big pro-McCain county I could find was Greenville County.

    So what's the deal with SC politics? Are all those small, rural counties just so many ducklings that nibble Dems to death?

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html

    Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:45 AM

  79. And, a mandate is something like a poll in the sense that it reflects the granters' mood on one specific day; that mood may be completely different on any other day.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:47 AM

  80. Lard, grab yourself a map of the congressional districts--SC is gerrymandered to the umpteenth degree. I live in SC-2. If one was to look at the early returns, the Dems would surely have won that seat. Then, at 11-pm the gerrymander kicks in.

    SC politics are consumed by trivialities.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:51 AM

  81. flatus, WADR, the people have had their say. Now it's up to Obama and the Congress. If they don't like what they see happening, they get to have their say again in 2 year increments. That almost 50 % - they had their say, too.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:53 AM

  82. Champ

    If it is any consolation, I am a Mark Twain fan and rarely (never) idolize anybody or anything. I do like the world's reaction to this new President. I wish him well as an historical figure, a changing of the guard, and as a man. He has earned a honeymoon once in office, but I'll be watching closly and a satirical remark or an outraged scream could happen on a moments notice. :-)

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 8:57 AM

  83. RE:
    South Carolina
    It was first settled by the cronies of King Charles, sorta like the Interior Dept. under Bush.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:01 AM

  84. The great Sam Moore, of Sam & Dave fame, was on Imus this morning. Imus asked Sam what he thought of Obama winning the election. Sam's answer was simple and to the point, "Lets see what he'll do after January 20th." I think Sam's reluctance to jump euphorically aboard the jubilation Obama train comes from all the constants promises made and broken, by both White and Black music promoters, that were so prevalent in the music industry during his day.

    Posted by: Anselm | November 6, 2008 9:02 AM

  85. flatus, and I agree that a mandate is a snapshot. I saw the picture pretty clearly. Conventional wisdom used to be that as the view of what government does with its "mandate" from the last election changed, voters changed the mandate. Dumya and Rove perverted that when Dumya vowed to spend thepolitical capital he got in the '04 election. You'll recall a popular vote margin then of less than 3%, as compared to 7% in this election. (The EV margin is much greater this time, so I don''t think you want to go there). Bush took that margin as a mandate to continue and increase his implementation of the miserable policies he had engineered (despite having one house of congress taken away from him, and another 2 years later), and pursued it with a vengeance. Don't complain if Obama sees the larger margin of the PV, ECV and Dem power in Congress as a mandate and acts to implement the policies he said he would. Complain if they don't work.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:06 AM

  86. dog, my inlaws were undecided - actually they had said as late as a week before the election that they couldn't vote for Obama. They broke toward Obama.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:10 AM

  87. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/hey-world-were-sorry.html#comment-169792

    patd, If did have an eight legged look about it, but points for coordination with one daughter matched to the red and the other matched to the black.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:13 AM

  88. More on wardrobe's -

    Michelle Obama's dress the other night , and Cindy McCain's aluminum suit a few weeks ago reminded me of the early days of MTV.

    Video Killed the Radio Star

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtHEmVjVw8

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:14 AM

  89. Anselm-sad that isn't it? The exploitation of the artists by Motown was unreal, heartbreaking stories. Had the privilege? of working for the CEO for 10 years and she certainly, as far as house help goes, keeps up the tradition.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:16 AM

  90. I agree with Champ's sentiments for leavening all the euphoria over "the admiration of the world" with a little bit of reality.

    Speaking only for myself, I don't look to places like Turkmenistan, Cambodia, China, Iraq, Syria, Rwanda, Venezuela, Cuba etc., etc., for approval about how we run our government and society. I hate news stories and marketing gambits that treat "the world" like it's just some giant, gooey Benetton ad.

    Hopefully, with this election, America has begun the process of reclaiming some of the moral highground we used to command globally. And maybe, in turn, "the world" will follow our example and become a better place, too. Let's just leave it at that.

    Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:20 AM

  91. Sam and Dave were Memphis, not motown.......also a Plea from Sam Porter for everyone to NOT pay money to see this film "Soul Men". He's also considering litigation.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:22 AM

  92. Sturge- Didn't know who he was with but was commenting on his statement "from all the constants promises made and broken, by both White and Black music promoters, that were so prevalent in the music industry during his day."

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:26 AM

  93. "OK Patsi I give - XPQZ??? WTF?"

    Ha! It means zip, Pogo...absolutely nothing, which is what I considered Frank's BS against Flatus. Devoid of intelligence.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:28 AM

  94. OSH.....absolutely, I'm sure it was the same there in memphis (sun records, stax volt etc).....didnt mean to imply a "refutation" though that's what it appeared.....

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:29 AM

  95. Sturg -

    Stax/Volt

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:29 AM

  96. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/hey-world-were-sorry.html#comment-169797

    Patsi, I don't know about the matrons and belles, but at the beginning, whole families used to take carriage trips out on the hills to picnic and watch the war below.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:30 AM

  97. Sturge, Sorry I missed Imus today, but am glad to know his wishes, would have gone to see it.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:31 AM

  98. Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:33 AM

  99. "Posted by: Jamie | November 6, 2008 8:57 AM"

    Exactly my sentiments, Jamie.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:33 AM

  100. that's the reason Imus put him on.....Imus says he wont see it either.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:35 AM

  101. pogo,
    Anselm, I imagine you are correct.

    Of course I'm. Here is something else that has been tossed around. How does PEOTUS Obama pay back organizations like MoveOn, Unions, the Kool-Aid drinkers from the DailyKos. So many promises, so little money, so little time.

    Here is something that need explaining. Obama has promised to remove all US troops from Iraq in 16 months, and by removing the US military presence from Iraq will save the US $10 billion a month. What no one ever asked is how much of that $10 billion a month would go to support our military if we were not in Iraq? What about Afghanistan? What is going to happen there?

    PEOTUS Obama, Anselm to your rescue. I can save PEOTUS Obama the 16 months and billions of tax payer $$$, our military deaths, and we can even leave Afghanistan in a short period of time. Tell Pakistan we will give them $20 billion above and beyond what we already them in foreign aid if they capture or kill all AQ's leadership supporters hiding in the NW part of their country. Give $10 billion to Afghanistan above and beyond what we already them in foreign aid if they can rid themselves of AQ and the Taliban. I just saved PEOTUS Obama $130 billion. Of course payment would be paid only upon proof. Hope Pakistan and Afghanistan didn't see Sam Moore on Imus this morning, or they might demand that $$$ up-front. Oh did I forget Iraq in my equation? No I didn't. PEOTUS Obama, nor most of his supporters thought we should have gone there to begin with, so leaving early would fall within his own beliefs.

    Posted by: Anselm | November 6, 2008 9:38 AM

  102. "Ten years on the road speedin' my young life away"

    Booker T & The MG's - Green Onions (Stax,Volt Tour 1967)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7QSMyz5rg

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:39 AM

  103. Patsi, WHEW! TGFT. LOL.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:39 AM

  104. Sam and Dave:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j2mzeyGZ8Y

    Sam said when he talked to the movie makers they tried to tell him it was about "smokey robinson"

    lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:42 AM

  105. “Respect Yourself: The Stax Records Story,”

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/stax/index.html

    Another great program from PBS.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:44 AM

  106. Also Isaac Hayes wrote a lot of sam and dave songs......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:45 AM

  107. Anselm, if you're applying for a job, you may want to polish up that presentation. I think it has a rough spot or two. LOL

    btw, you're almost right about what he said about withdrawing troops from Iraq..

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/#phased-withdrawal

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:46 AM

  108. An excellent development! Go Henry!

    "For instance, Democratic aides said that Representative Henry A. Waxman of California was expected to challenge Representative John D. Dingell of Michigan, the longest-serving House Democrat, for chairmanship of the Energy and Commerce Committee. Energy issues are expected to be a major focus of the Obama administration."

    From today's NYT: "Democrats Vow To Pursue An Aggressive Agenda."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06cong.html?hp

    Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:46 AM

  109. Sturg -

    I'll get the Mustang of the blocks, and we'll cruz for chicks tonight.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:48 AM

  110. I'm down wid dat.......(can my wife go? )

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:51 AM

  111. LL -
    Dingell > wood chipper

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:51 AM

  112. oldseahag,

    Anselm-sad that isn't it? The exploitation of the artists by Motown was unreal, heartbreaking stories

    Oh god if you think they got the short end of the stick, the Black groups of the 50's were nothing less then money machine slaves for the music industry. Little Richard was one of the first artist to take them to court. He lost his first legal battle with the music industry, but went on to win others, and his actions laid a path for others to follow. Wonder how many of today's recording artist realize their multi- million $$$ contracts came about through efforts of a poor Black kid, Richard Wayne Penniman, born in Macon, GA.

    Posted by: Anselm | November 6, 2008 9:53 AM

  113. Sturg -

    Will she buy the beer ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:55 AM

  114. Done

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 6, 2008 9:57 AM

  115. Anon...LOL at Dingell in the Woodchipper.

    Can we go an extra step and turn his woodchipped remains into some sort of synthetic fuel to be used for the cars of tomorrow that are built somewhere other than Detroit?

    That would serve him right.

    Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:57 AM

  116. " money machine slaves for the music industry. "

    They didn't get paid for building the city of Charleston either.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 9:59 AM

  117. The Economy (stupid.)

    The Democrats currently in Congress are talking about another stimulous package --for state and local governments.
    I don't have a problem with this since local governments are in trouble.

    I think the "infrastructure." renewal program should be a priority. It will add construction jobs (lost from housing) and make us safer. It also takes the burden off state and local governments for many of the safety issues.

    Housing - I have mixed feelings about the three month moratorium on foreclosesures -unless it is accompanied with a program to work with those effected. Roughly a quarter of those in housing trouble will EVER be able to afford the house they are in... There needs to be a transition program for these people --get them out of the house they cannot afford and into one they can --not just out on the street.

    The "Green" energy program should also be a priority. This is a jobs creation as well as a security issue.

    I would also like to see some social marketing done by the administration especially in the area of food. Our diet effects health in America and changing the way we eat is a first step.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 9:59 AM

  118. ... or the White House.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:00 AM

  119. pogo,

    Maybe so, but in the time it would take them to do 20 different re-writes of the same idea, I would have our US military home, and PEOTUS Obama could be fulfilling some of his promises with the $$$ I saved him, saved the US taxpayer. I was never a Obama supporter, didn't vote for him. but he will be the 44th POTUS and as an American I do want him to see him do well.

    Posted by: Anselm | November 6, 2008 10:01 AM

  120. LL
    MULCH

    MULCH em' all !

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:01 AM

  121. Champ----le
    Champ--agree with 99% of what u said about this thread-----I would like to change just the last 100 yrs of the combined R'd and D's

    tax laws-------the following list is my argument for a flat tax(with help for those that need help) and disbanding the irs.

    Take a chance on what? Undefined 'change'? Human beings are avaricious, myopic, superstitious, frightened creatures. 100,000 years of history hasn't been undone.

    Bethy---u said a mouth full, Greed is the worlds problem.
    u said
    Americans should be apologizing to themselves for pissing away whatever semblance of democracy and freedom we ever had. Go ahead and pat yours

    The next time you hear a politician use the
    word billion' in a casual manner, think about
    whether you want the politicians spending
    YOUR tax money.
    A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,

    A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
    B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
    C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were
    living in the Stone Age.
    D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.
    E.
    A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes,
    at the rate our government is spending it.
    While this thought is still fresh in our brain...
    let's take a look at New Orleans ...
    It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.
    Louisiana
    is asked Congress for
    250BILLION DOLLARS
    to rebuild New Orleans Interesting number...
    what does it mean
    A. Well... if you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans
    (every man, woman, and child)
    you each get$516,528.
    B. Or... if you have one of the 188,251 homes in
    New Orle ans , your home gets$1,329,787.
    C. Or... if you are a family of four...
    your family gets $2,066,012.
    Washington, D. C

    Are al l your calculators broken??
    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL License Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline T ax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Tax
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Service charge taxes
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
    Sales Taxes
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal U niversal Service Fee Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Tax
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY ?
    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...
    and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
    We had absolutely no national debt...
    We had the largest middle class in the world...
    and Moms stayed home to raise the kids.
    What happened?
    Can you spell politicians

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:07 AM

  122. "I was never a Obama supporter, didn't vote for him. but he will be the 44th POTUS and as an American I do want him to see him do well.'

    We're in deep doo - doo either way.

    It's just a question of how deep will the doo - doo do.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:08 AM

  123. Anselm, not all recording artists have multi-million dollar contracts. Record companies screw over many artists these days. However, they blame all the problems on illegal music downloading. I know one artist who was touring in support of his album, then his record company called and said, "We're not giving you any more money in support of your album." He had to cnacel the rest of his tour. The label (Columbia Records) then dropped him. He signed with Blue Notes Records. He eagerly recorded a new album and told all of his fans how he was finally with a label that cared about him and his music. However, before his album got released he said he and his label were no longer seeing eye to eye. They dumped him and never released his album. As of right now, this guy is unsigned.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:08 AM

  124. Anselm- I don't know but they ought to! BTW, love a Macon County accent, it's got a sound all it's own.

    Is anyone here handy with Dreamweaver 8? I've had to rebuild my website with it and can't properly upload images, just get a ? in the space. Am working furiously at it as I have an ad in a nationally published trade mag coming out today. If anyone can help figure this out, I'd send them some chocolates in appreciation!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:09 AM

  125. c'mon champ, i want u on board with changing the world

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 1:26 AM

    Good morning Craig,
    Question. I thought you called yourself a cynic a while back, and then went on to say a cynic is no more than a broken heart idealist. I take it you're back to idealistic now. I must admit that I'm feeling hope (while remaining realistic), or maybe I should just say, I'm hoping for the best. :)

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:12 AM

  126. Anon, I brought back your shoes. They're WAY too big. :)

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/hey-world-were-sorry.html#comment-169836

    Jamie, I really liked your 8:57 post. Well said.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:14 AM

  127. Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...
    and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

    Our streets were full of horse shit, and 12 year-olds picked clickers out of the coal stream too.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:16 AM

  128. Chloe -

    They smell too, glad you didn't tell everyone that.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:17 AM

  129. Sorry about posting three in a row, but there was a lot of reading today (and I'm not completely caught up yet).

    "Chloe - when I lived in Texas, 67-70, we couldn't buy fresh meat on Sunday and only 3.2 beer. It could really ruin an impromptu barbecue."

    Bethyboo, I laughed so hard when I read this. Unbelievable! That impromptu barbeque remark is sooooo funny. Thanks!

    (ps I still don't get the meat thing. What was the reason, if you know - maybe meat cutters wanted the day off?)
    I know the malls were closed on Sundays when we first moved here).

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:19 AM

  130. "They smell too, glad you didn't tell everyone that."

    Anon, When I read the first half of your sentence, I thought you were blaming me for that.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:20 AM

  131. Chloe
    The Sunday closings were the remnants of Blue Laws.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:22 AM

  132. Here ya go Chloe _

    Paul Butterfield Blues Band -Walking Blues

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrs0Im42_10

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:23 AM

  133. Thanks Katherine. Thing's have changed so much here now. But there are definitely a LOT of churches.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:25 AM

  134. Dang Solarcrete, that post is just downright depressing. Too much reality!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:27 AM

  135. craig...great videos...reminds me of the days of the Ugly American.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_American

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:29 AM

  136. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/hey-world-were-sorry.html#comment-169877

    Solar, How ya doing? You've been a busy guy this morning (judging by that post). I agree with most of what Champ says too.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:29 AM

  137. Chloe -
    When I bought that album, I thought that was the coolest group of guys I'd ever seen .

    I think they're all dead now.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:31 AM

  138. Sea, Once you get your site up and running, maybe you could give us the address and let us take a look?? (I mean, I take it it's commercial, for your shop.) Do you have online sales?

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:32 AM

  139. one comment on Faux News this morning....the talking heads are smiling hard, looking giddy, acting happy -- they must all be on ultra-prozac after the election results. Their brand, afterall, is in the toilet (thanks to Joe the Plumber).

    I am also fascinated with the tundra princess...can't keep her home after seeing the lights of the big city, Washington DC. You 'betcha' she will go after the stevens senate seat.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:33 AM

  140. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/hey-world-were-sorry.html#comment-169894

    Anon, I'm going to have to get on my laptop in a bit, to listen to it. My speakers on this one went out. Thanks for sharing it.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:34 AM

  141. solar...every time you type billions, I think of Carl Sagen...no one could ever say "billions," like Carl. He is one star among BILLIONS in the universe.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:36 AM


  142. Our streets were full of horse shit, and 12 year-olds picked clickers out of the coal stream too.

    ok---no more horse shit--just full of shit that 33% of The R's buy from the republican party-----33% of bs that the D's wade tru happily,,u can't change the world without changing ourselves.

    12 year olds--are drugged now---by the parents and the pharmacies

    i don't want to go back 100 yrs---i just want to eliminate bs---irs i just of them---and people that believe that all the( some taxes are needed) taxes are the way to save what ever ails u.

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:36 AM

  143. They weren't as cool as this guy though -

    John Lee Hooker - Crawlin' King Snake

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hYBgpZdbKM

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:36 AM

  144. ..the talking heads are smiling hard, looking giddy, acting happy --"

    Blonde, Ha....Maybe they're glad the election is over. I have to admit that I am.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:37 AM

  145. Hey Chloe,how goes it? Just wiped out my old one yesterday for online sales it didn't have a wholesale page which I need for today. The new one is up , but won't have a shopping cart till tonight and who knows when I'll get the images right, fonts aren't right either. Will be prettier in a few days! newmoonmagick.net.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:37 AM

  146. solar...we are all drugged by our municipal water supply....without taxes, how are we going to have water standards and treatment?

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:38 AM

  147. "u can't change the world without changing ourselves."

    Go Solar!

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:39 AM

  148. Thanks Sea. Just in time for Christmas.
    I take it it's retail too.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:41 AM

  149. California had high state taxes. Texas has no state taxes. For some reason, we have better services here than we had there. Weird.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:44 AM

  150. Blonde-

    RE;
    Sagan & Billions

    Now you've done it.

    Solar -
    If you want to eliminate the BSers, we're going to have to sacrifice some 12 years olds.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 10:48 AM

  151. Craig, this is your best video to date, IMHO.

    News reports from around the world sure support this. As I've said before, Obama has the right demeanor to be President.

    I feel more relaxed and hopeful but know it's going to take this new administration a LONG time to chip away at the ubiquitous devastation that Bush brought onto the US & the world. But at least there's HOPE for some meaningful changes.

    JFK was the first Catholic. Obama will be the JFK for this generation.

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:49 AM

  152. Medvedev & Russia might be Obama's first test.

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:53 AM

  153. Chloe- Yes, the shopping cart is for retail. The Buttercrunch is my best seller and the Peppermint Bark at Holidays, I'll have that by Thanksgiving. Thanks!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:53 AM

  154. Craig, If you think Americans voted for Obama as an apology to the world, I think your citizenship is about to be revoked. That sentiment sounds almost Canadian.


    Blue -- I have been reading the earlier posts...love this post!

    I believe Americans voted for Obama to get their asses out of the economic sling...first priority should be revamping the insurance industry...once your citizens are healthy and not declaring bankruptcy because of medical bills (don't drink the water), huricanes, floods, etc., we can accomplish anything. In reality, my insurance costs are immense...and I do not get the same return as I do with my taxes.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 10:54 AM

  155. Anselm, I hope we all do.

    Solar, the flat tax has as much a chance of becoming law as Intelligent Design has of becoming the dominant view among scientists to explain the appearance of human beings on the earth (OK, Texas and Oklahoma don't count). 100 years ago poverty was widespread, the ink was not even dry on the first minimum wage laws, mothers stayed home and raised kids to work in factories, coal mines, bakeries, glass factories, and all industries, women could not vote, blacks were prevented from voting in the south through poll taxes, literacy tests, and other disenfranchising laws, education beyond grammar school was the exception rather than the rule and there was no substantial middle class in America. You suggesting a return to that era?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:03 AM


  156. Blonde wino-----as i keep telling ET---yes we need a blend of isms,,social ---and capital-------the same with taxes----some are needed for our health as u mentioned-----it is going overboard,,, and over taxing when u can't find room to breath when an emergency hits----do u think hidden taxes that the average person does not know about is a safety need'''i know u don't----we need to do what is logical,,,and careing ( altruistic) all of what it takes to live properly--how many special interest groups can u eliminate with each tax eliminated????

    Carl Sagen Rocks---along wth all scientists ----i take a blend of all the scientists that are giving me all the information to make a decision to say that we are the earth--we r each of us a god (self) we are each of us reaponsible to the other---we breath the same frikin air don't we---that is why it upsets me about all the f---n greed

    Chloe ---hello buddy--thanks for the horse----it frikin thru me off half way to grant park and i had a choice of walkin back home, or keep on going

    Osha its a lot better cos we are all in it together, like it or not---but the power makes kinda hard

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:03 AM

  157. "Chloe ---hello buddy--thanks for the horse----it frikin thru me off half way to grant park and i had a choice of walkin back home, or keep on going"

    I was wondered how she (Cheyenne) showed up back here alone. :)

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:05 AM


  158. P{ogo-no just some common sense, i would never go back to any era since i think that the past should be left behind, but it should not stop us from learning from it------i detest intelligent design even more than disorganized religion------2 way radio is going nuts---later

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:09 AM

  159. solar..."that is why it upsets me about all the f---n greed"

    Greed has fascinated me my entire life. I can admit to some hoarding, a food cache, etc., but I never thought that was greed...I may need some more personal introspection. Is to be American, to be greedy? As I have stated for some time, I am an extremely rich woman, I just do not have the money to back it up. Greed is not just about the money, is it? Do we all take more than we need?

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:12 AM

  160. "Yes, the shopping cart is for retail."

    Sea, I never mentioned to you what a candy addict I am (although I frequently fight the urge, and win).

    When I posted your web site addr., I labeled it Sea's Candy, and it got me thinking about See's Candy from California. My all time favorite. I'm drooling just thinking about it. I can find some of it here, if I go into Houston at a specialties market that ships it in, or online (my favorite way to shop). But I'm going to order some of your candy this year. Thanks.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:13 AM

  161. "Anselm, not all recording artists have multi-million dollar contracts. Record companies screw over many artists these days."

    Corey, that is partly what my next book is about. Garth Brooks was the biggest country star of the '90s and his record company still repeatedly tried to screw him around. He was tougher than they thought.

    I still remember how the label went hysterical when he wrote a song called "We Shall Be Free" which included lyrics supporting gay rights....but he dug his heels in, and the song was released. When country radio wasn't enthused by it, he rounded up people he knew, all the way from Colin Powell to Liz Taylor, and did a video of it.

    The most important thing he did was take control of his music and his business.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:14 AM


  162. Anon------I don't really want to be a smart ass -----but u first, and then the next that agrees with u---i will keeep my 12 yr olds next to me protectedfrom these types of thoughts.

    Solar -
    If you want to eliminate the BSers, we're going to have to sacrifice some 12 years olds.

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:15 AM

  163. Maybe Obama can get these guys for the Inaugural Ball -

    U2 & BB King - When Love Comes To Town

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvsfhJfAzh8

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 11:15 AM


  164. Speaking of changing the world......Maybe we should keep in mind what our kids are hearing and how it might affect them.

    I know this is an important time is history, and I believe alot of very positive things will happen now. But along with the positive comes the negative and we need to be mindful of that and deal with it as needed so that it's effect is limited, and that, maybe just maybe, some of the discontent that is passed on from generation to generation can be lessened if not put on a path to extinction.

    As an example, here is what happened to my little girl at school. She wore a "Kids for Obama" button at school. There were only a couple of other kids who were for Obama. McCain won the fake election they had overwhelmingly. She came home a bit down, but it was not because she was in the minority. Other kids kept telling her that he was going to get killed. I told her not to worry that he was being protected. This was a few days ago.

    So after the election she wanted to wear her pin to school again because she was proud of his victory. She came home distressed again about him being assassinated, only this time she had all these details about white supremacists and white power and how they were going to take care of it, along with how the kids were humming "Hail to the Chief" and making machine guns sounds and laughing about it.

    I asked where the teacher was when this was going on, and she first said she was there and didn't do anything about it. But further questioning left doubt as to whether she heard it or not. I do know her teacher, and I would be very surprised if she was aware of what happened, but I certainly intend to make sure she knows about it, and just how offended I am.

    You know I realize where I live. I have discussed it on this blog. But I am so tired of dealing with this attitude, and I also know you can't make everyone play nice. But I should be able to feel confident that when she is in school that good morals and ideals are reinforced while wholly destructive ones are denounced. She's only in fourth grade.

    I have taught my little girl her whole life not to make a difference whatsoever between herself and anyone else. I sincerely hope the teacher didn't know anything about this. I haven't gone to the school yet. I'm still a little too angry.

    Posted by: truebeliever Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:16 AM

  165. Solar I agree with your 11:03 post. I also believe in a mixed economy. Just read today in the English language Belgian magazine "The Bulletin" that Belgium has the second highest level of taxes in the world. Strange though, people seem really content.

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:21 AM

  166. Solar-- thanks for that list of taxes....that is why it PO's me that so many Republicans say that 40% of the population do not pay taxes....they damn sure do!

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:21 AM

  167. truebeliever...call the principal. Remind him of Columbine. Fourth graders DO bring guns to school and fuck the NRA for continuing their insane stance on automatic weapons.... "how the kids were humming "Hail to the Chief" and making machine guns sounds and laughing about it."

    Disgusting....while you are at it, send me a link to the school...I'll write a email.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:21 AM

  168. "Greed is not just about the money, is it? Do we all take more than we need?"

    Blonde, I don't consider Americans greedy at all. I always think of greed as not sharing. Some hoarding, collecting, etc. cannot be considered greed, imho.

    Blonde, And it certainly goes without saying, you certainly have nothing to worry about as far as greed. I can tell by your personality what a caring, giving person you are, just from reading your posts. I think most Americans are generous.

    I've heard all that stuff about American greed. I don't buy it.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:22 AM

  169. Patsi, there was a group in the 90's called "Semisonic". Their big song was that song "Closing Time". One of their band members wrote a book about the music industry. My friend bought his book. It was pretty bad all the stories he wrote about dealing with record companies. Heck, when John Mayer first turned his "Continuum" album to the record companies executives, the executive he dealt with told him, "I don't hear a single on the album." There wasn't one song that the executive figured would be a hit single. The first single to be released from that album was "Waiting On The World To Change". John ended up winning a Grammy for that album. Shows what music executives know!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:23 AM


  170. Blonde Wino----Sturg asked awhile back if we can get ( clinically define ) hate, fear, etc---it is impossible to?? but sheer greed, that begets envy is one of the aggregates, if some one is rich it does not make them a abuser of the world,,,but when one is rich and abuses others to get even more of what he doesn't need just to have to me is not what i would do to make a better worild----i hope to bring this subject up again with more clarity in the future,thank

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:26 AM

  171. Oh yes, Corey -- I know a bunch of stories like that. A lot of execs have tin ears. Some are truly great, and great music lovers. Others are complete BSers.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:29 AM

  172. Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

    Pride and Prejudice
    The Theme of the 2008 Election

    Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | November 6, 2008 11:31 AM

  173. Chloe...thanks...I have done a my share of volunteer work for the government, but my most memorable moment was back in the late 1980s. I used to travel to South Dakota's Black Hills. I visited the Pine Ridge Indian reservation --- at that time, one of the poorest reservation in the US. At wounded knee, I even saw a three legged dog just like the movie Thunderheart. The Jesuit priests had an Indian School in Pine Ridge...very big on fund raisiing..so my ex-hubby and I bought a computer and went to all of our friends and companies to get donations for the school. We loaded-up the truck and drove it the res. One of my friends worked for Scott paper company and he donated a huge carton of toilet paper. The last box out of the truck was the toilet paper and we asked the preist if he would want the carton of TP....without missing a beat, the comic timing of the best comedians, he stated "The job is not complete until the paperwork is done!" : ) Amen, Father.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:34 AM

  174. "Craig, If you think Americans voted for Obama as an apology to the world, I think your citizenship is about to be revoked. That sentiment sounds almost Canadian. -- posted by BlueINdallas

    ha, good one blue -- touché
    (see, i am canadian, i'm speaking French!)

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:35 AM

  175. Solar -

    Back in the "Good Old Days" you were longing for , we had no problem sending them into the mines. If fact that was one of reasons Andrew Carnegie could afford to hire his own private army and have them machine-gunned at Ludlow with their mothers.

    We had to keep those profits up you know.

    My point was that , that the BSers are going to be with us forever. I'm glad you can keep yours close, now if we can just keep everyone else's 12 year-olds in the same condition.

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 11:35 AM

  176. Blonde W-

    Thank you for your support. I do intend to see the principal, and the teacher. Being a former teacher myself I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt until it's clear that I shouldn't. I do have faith that this is a good school and it won't be tolerated and things will be taken care of in an appropriate manner according to the situation. If not. I will be trying to get the whole world to send emails!

    Posted by: truebeliever Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:35 AM

  177. Blonde -- I agree about True needing to talk to the school. My son was 8 and ready to race his car at the Pinewood Derby in Denver, when he suddenly quit Cub Scouts. He told me it was because his scout leader was saying "a lot of bad stuff" about his friend Jeff, who was Jewish. Jeff had quit, and Adam backed his call.

    I phoned the leader and it turned out that once she got talking, she was a raving anti-semite. I wrote letters to natl. Boy Scouts, raised a lot of hell -- and while nothing changed there -- we felt we'd done what we had to do.

    We moved to Nashville a few months after that incident, where my son's NEW Cub Scout leader was a folk singer with an album called "Got No Milk, No Money." A whole new world...thank God...

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:36 AM


  178. ONE EXAMPLE OF GREED THAT WAS JUST DEFEATED
    J. McAIN-------i know that he was sacrifised etc.,etc,----but wht in the world can a 72 year old man want????with all the $ that he has right now at his disposal----more of what----to belong to what organization ?? what can he possibly want-----more power for his type of religion is all i can come up with--u-???

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:36 AM

  179. solar...got it.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:37 AM

  180. Craig's French Canadian? Sacre bleu!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:38 AM

  181. "The job is not complete until the paperwork is done!"

    LOL.

    Great, great, great story! Thanks Blue.
    (ps. I have a 3 legged cat.)

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:40 AM

  182. patsi...it is the right thing to do. and a folk singer scout master...doesn't get much better than that!

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:41 AM

  183. "Good morning Craig,
    Question. I thought you called yourself a cynic a while back, and then went on to say a cynic is no more than a broken heart idealist. I take it you're back to idealistic now. I must admit that I'm feeling hope (while remaining realistic), or maybe I should just say, I'm hoping for the best. :) -- Posted by: chloe"

    right on, chloe, you quote me well. but yes i am indulging my idealism this week, waiting for my heart to be broken

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:41 AM

  184. One other thought -- I know a lot of liberal Obama supporters who talk about the assassination possibility, and it makes me uncomfortable. I think (hope) he will be the best protected president in history -- and keeping that talk going no matter what the motive seems ill-advised.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:41 AM

  185. canadian craig...just curious, is that paisley shirt you are wearing in the video?

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:43 AM


  186. Patsi---that list was made with the intent to show to some of my R friends that we all pay taxes----some even more----i did not want to, and would not suggest that we were better off 100 yrs ago,,,just to point out that it took a combination of all the taxes that we have had to deal with----some are needed, others are just cover for the politicians to rape us--period. I took some info about the list a little here and a little there and put together from others that really did all the hard work---i would give them credit but too many to list

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:44 AM

  187. Blonde -- here is something about that folk singer. He has quite a history, a favorite of Rolling Stone:

    http://www.jamestalley.com/bio.php

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:45 AM


  188. Patsi--

    I agree. Thoughts are more powerful than you think. Keeping those thoughts out there on any level besides the prevention isn't good.

    Posted by: truebeliever Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:45 AM

  189. I remember when Taylor Hackford and Keith Richards organized and produced the performances and and movie for Chuck Berry - Hail, Hail, Rock & Roll back in 1987.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:46 AM

  190. I'm glad you did put the list up, Solar -- as I said, people need to remember just how many taxes are being paid at every step.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:47 AM

  191. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/hey-world-were-sorry.html#comment-169864

    John Dingell has done a lot of good things in Congress. I like Henry Waxman too, and this is an old rivalry. Waxman was one of the first to set up his own PAC to support campaigns of members who would vote his way in the caucus. He gave up chairmanship of the Health and Envirnoment Subcommittee on E&C in order to chair the Government Operations Committee

    Dingell built the broad jurisdictional reach of the Energy and Commerce Committee which touches some 70 percent of all legislation moving through the House. Dingell has been a champion of Congressional oversight with the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee which exposed defense contractor scandals in the 1980s, explored insurance company insolvencies, SEC reporting irregularities and accounting failures, Michael Deaver's shenanigans as a lobbyist, just to name a few.

    Both of these leaders have a lot of chits out amongst the members. It will be interesting to see who prevails. I just wish they didn't have to start off the new Democratic era with a pitch battle over chairmanship.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:47 AM

  192. patsi...thanks for the link to Talley. Talented, decent human.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:50 AM

  193. RE: the Craig v. Champ sequence early on today or last night, I couldn't help but think of the Peanuts strip where Lucy keeps telling Charlie "kick the football" as she lines it up for a field goal only to pull it back at the last minute just like she did a hundred times before.
    So, Craig, are pulling a Lucy with this new found idealism of yours? Just kidding, chief! Missed by THAT much!

    Posted by: eprof2 Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:50 AM

  194. North Florida high school retains KKK leader's name

    http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881104052

    Change begins at home. We still have a long way to go.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:50 AM

  195. The tension is likely to continue or get worse. Lawyers for the Republican National Committee are heading to Alaska to try to account for all the money that was spent on clothing, jewelry and luggage, according to The New York Times.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=6196407&page=1

    Posted by: Anon | November 6, 2008 11:51 AM

  196. Oh, duh, I got distracted - Berry was one of the artists of the era who did well inspite of his demons. But he certainly didn't make the kind of money that his influence and reputation would have suggested he should. And in about 1990, I went and saw Bo Diddley in a little club south of Richmond, playing with 3 local guys as the back up band. There couldn't have been 20 people there, and I recall the cover charge being $10. He spent the first half of the show teaching the band how to play his music. It was obvious he didn't have 2 nickels to rub together by then.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:52 AM

  197. Why do GOPs have to get so gosh-darn freaky craaazy when they lose?

    Guns sales up across the country

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/26/AR2008102602505_pf.html

    Stockpiling guns and ammo because of an Obama presidency?
    Guns don't kill people -- gun nuts with guns do.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:54 AM

  198. "waiting for my heart to be broken"

    LOL Craig.
    There's that cynic peeking through. :)

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:55 AM

  199. I am happy but wary for this victory because I am not looking forward to the GOP and now PUMA continual drubbing of Democrats. The platitudes we heard from Bush and McCain yesterday are very short-lived. The GOP is plotting and scheming right now how they can tear down this new Democratic presidency and Congress. Most obnoxious are the PUMAs who claim to be doing it in Hillary's name! There seems to be a lot of them -- more than I realized -- and they are all crazy with anger.

    Will the people who showed up in droves for Obama show up for other Democratic candidates in the future? How can we keep them engaged?

    Check back with you all later.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:56 AM

  200. chloe...it has always amazed me to see many three legged dogs and cats. One of my favorite cat stories involved a friend of mine in Grand Rapids, Michigan (she actually worked for Amway Corp.) Her cat was an indoor/outdoor cat...using the cat door, as needed. One day, her beloved "Peanut" did not come home. For three months, she mourned her cat. Then one Friday night while she was sleeping, she felt a cat licking her face -- it was Peanut. Once she awaken, she saw Peanuts back leg was destroyed...the cat had dragged herself to the house. It seems a little girl's horse had stepped on Peanut in her barn and the little girl was terrified to tell anyone because she thought they would kill her horse. She fed Peanut and tended to the cat in the barn as best she could. Poor cat escaped one day and dragged itself home. It cost a thousand dollars to put a lot of metal in Peanut, but Peanut was able to eventually walk.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 11:58 AM


  201. NEW THREAD

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:01 PM

  202. Alicia -- You don't have to be a PUMA to question the coming administration. If people are to be bashed for questioning things like that FISA vote, and whether we stay mired in the Middle East, then it's exactly the same treatment that Bush supporters gave us for the last four years. I'm going to take him at his word, that he can and will deliver what he said during the primary season.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:02 PM


  203. Blonde Wino-----while not normally a peggy noogin type of guy-----i will only borrow this line from u and never ever give it back :-))))

    I am an extremely rich woman(man), I just do not have the money to back it up.i feel the same,,like i said --will talk more about this later on

    TONY-----just a thought---if u understand cleaning chemicals already--might not be a bad idea to approach office buildings etc and grow your co, if u already have----sorry,, if u don't want to grow i understand that also.

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 6, 2008 12:06 PM

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