Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Yes. the salient point is that O could fire her if things go wrong........Hillary dont go to state.......stay in the senate...............

A song for "Anon"
A bear in his natural habitat.........studebaker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w316aA8ed8

to be or not to be?

btw, craig, your missing one in the last paragraph.

To be, or not to be:
sos or senate for hrc,
that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?

[my apologies to willy shake]

wow, yesterday's spytalk sounded like it would make a great geo clooney movie. maybe with a jolie as the pilot. clint as her boss... what a plot...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/

wow II

last night, the great spirit of colorado bob!
the hills were alive with the sound of muddy waters and the foggy mountain boys.

oops, foggy bottom boys

Hi patd -- our pirates have started making the news more often now...and did you see my link late yesterday about the Indians taking the whole thing personal?

And yes, I agree with Craig. Hillary should stay in the Senate. They've got what they wanted now -- Bill Clinton's records with which to further stone him. So there's no reason for the charade to continue.

Good Morning Patd and Sturge -- and everyone else who might be looking in. I guess one never knows who might make an appearance here on the C-List. (I thought Colorado Bob had gone to the great reward -- even shed a few tears when other folks eulogized him on this blog.)

Craig -- a bunch of my friends are going to Charlottesville this morning to Larry Sabato's shindig to see you and the other panelists. I have another event going on today so I can't go. :-(

NY NOW is lobbying Gov. Patterson to appoint another woman, but not just any woman, to take HRC's Senate seat should she agree to the SOS job.

"(I thought Colorado Bob had gone to the great reward -- even shed a few tears "

I know, Alicia -- when someone here reported that C-Bob had -- as Kinky Friedman says, "stepped on a rainbow" -- I was depressed as hell! So glad the rumors of his demise were widely exaggerated!

dog -- are you listening to Isikoff on C-Span? He's just started talking about cabinet picks....(he often borders on gossipy BS, but seems in the know for the most part)

Because, Craig, she is virtually invisible in the Senate. Better to be on the world stage and in the headlines.

More importantly, I think she will be fantastic as SoS. I don't think Obama would offer her the job if he thought she was going to fail at it; that would be his failure, too.

Accepting the position shows the next round of voters that Obama had faith in her for this position, so it helps her in 2012 if she wants it, but she may not want it.

There would be hell to pay from Clinton and in 2012 from the PUMA faction if Obama fired her. (A woman never forgets.) This position may be exactly her cup of tea. It may have been a political mistake for Obama to have made the offer, but it was a wise choice merit/ability-wise.

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Ah, I see I missed a visit from C'Bob yesterday. How do I feel 'bout that woman losing the tools in space? I would care less if they didn't cost so darned much. $100K for a greasegun? Couldn't Jiffy Lube do the job for less?

Hi Patsi! I didn't see you in here before. The pirate story is pretty interesting -- pirates have never quit since the old romanticized stories. They don't plague the US coastal waters -- thanks to our Coast Guard -- but they seem to be plentiful in the Indian Ocean, South Pacific and off the African coast. How did a small band of pirates take over that huge tanker?

There is a legend in our family that Blackbeard was one of us. Blackbeard is thought to be Edward Teach -- but he was actually Edward "Teach" Drummond -- from Accomack, VA. He took the fake name to preserve the family honor once he went renegade. My DAR aunties never approved of the story - they would never admit to such a criminal on the family tree, but family stories sometimes emerged about the Drummond who went bad. Blackbeard was originally a privateer - but when the King didn't pay the privateers what they thought was their due, they often went pirating on their own. Blackbeard blockaded Charleston Harbor without firing a shot. Blackbeard had given up his pirating was and settled down with his many wives in North Carolina, where he'd been pardoned by the Gov, when Governor Spotswood of VA fingered him with numerous pirate attacks on the Virginia coast. Spotswood sent a group after Blackbeard, there was a huge battle and Blackbeard lost. The Gov. then ordered him to be decapitated and his head put on the bowspirit of a sloop that sailed up and down the waters of the Eastern Shore to prove Blackbeard was dead as a warning to the other pirates.

I'm really having a time with Typekey/Typepad this am -- took me almost an hour to straighten it all out.

Wouldn't Hillary take a lot of flak if Obama offered her the job and she passed on it? I mean, after "Clintonites" or the 'PUMA" crowd was upset that she wasn't vetted for VP, wouldn't the anti-Hillary people be mad and say, "What the hell? Obama offered her the job and she turned him down? What the hell does she want?"

Patd -- More pirate news....it turns out paying the ransoms is as dangerous as the rest of it...

And in the comment section of this piece one reader made an interesting suggestion: instead of hiring Blackwater to shoot Iraqi civilians, hire them to wipe out the pirates...Blackwater V. Blackbeard!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=6298733&page=1

http://www.rr.com/view/content/story.cfm?storyId=6250815&view=HOME&newsgroup=9000&sSect=HOM_1

"Aide: Obama on track to nominate Clinton" AP

We don't have pirates? We have pork-barrel spending, stock brokers, CEOs with no accountability looking for handouts... Nope, it's all ducky here.

Poor, poor turkeys. Palin may have done them a favor by setting up that interview in front of the decapitator. If I could only eat what I produced with my own hands, the most protein I'd get is the odd omlet.

"Posted by: Corey | November 21, 2008 7:54 AM"

Therein lies the problem, Corey. She's now in an impossible position. I wish she'd said no when the subject was broached. (I actually think she'd be a GREAT Sec. of State -- IF the press would stop the witch hunt.)

Corey
Did you get some of that Michigan Snow yet?

Alicia -- What fun about the possibility of a Blackbeard connection! I think you should ignore the aunts and claim him.

I had an email from England a few years ago -- the woman was another "Bale." She asked me if I was a descendant of the British circus act, Pip Bale and the Traveling Zanettos. I said, "I am now!"

thanks for the typo alert, patd -- fixed

Tony, I work on the south side of town. It was snowing pretty good as I left work. It stopped snowing on the way home, which is about 12 minutes of work. The big snow is supposed to hit south and north of here and miss us. We got 7" of snow earlier this week. Palin is stealing Gravel's thunder. All he did was toss a big rock in a lake!

no snow here yet, tony -- but it is 32 degrees right now -- off to charlottesville now -- hope to see some trail mixers (sorry you can't make it Divalicious)

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/programs/adc/index.htm

"It seems somewhat demeaning for her to be working for someone who, after all, could fire her if things go bad."

When you put it that way Craig, it makes me think the administration could use her as a scapegoat if things went bad - what a terrible thought.
...............

I've heard about CBob since I first got here (he's a TM legend) and
I feel so lucky to have now met him. MadMustard, (whom I've heard mentioned around here), I looked up and see he has a web address. But now I wish omeone would tell me who Fritz is. I've not heard that name until recently.

"(I actually think she'd be a GREAT Sec. of State -- IF the press would stop the witch hunt.)"

Patsi
If only they would.I just wish Hill would stay in the Senate.I hate for the KO's of the world to continue to use Hill as there personal punching bag.I wonder though if some of the press that are in the tank for Obama will let up on her if she becomes SOS?Maybe they will realize that it will hurt the Obama Presidency if they continue?

how great to see Colorado Bob back last night -- welcome, pal

Fritz, was someone who got way too personal in attacking someone. He crossed a line. He was asked to take a break from here. He never came back. Back when he was here, this place was fairly civil, except for him at times. None of what takes place here on a somewhat regular basis nowadays.

In the long run, she'll have more political leverage by sticking with the Senate.

Had a good thought earlier this morning--have the government bring the big three CEOs and their staffs to DC courtesy of Con Air.

Made me think of an incident a number of years ago. We received a frantic call from one of our friends saying that her husband had open heart surgery earlier in the day and that she had not been able to get a report from the surgeon.

I took care of that by calling the local Texas sheriff. The doc got the message clearly after a couple of deputies knocked on his door.

Major, major congrats to Jason on his successful defense. Well done!

And, a good job to Sheila as well--get out of the kitchen and enter the halls of punditry!

Oh Man Corey, do I remember those snow storms,getting off work wondering how long it would take to get home?I remember one time I was working for Delphi in Saginaw,Michigan and my drive back to Flint became a 2 hour commute instead of my usual 40min,oh the tension in my neck and the blinding snowy wind,I could barely see the lane lines on I-75...

Hey Craig
Its a sunny 61 degrees in your beloved Central Florida right now..Brrr 32 degrees,come on make your way home..HA

After reading and participating in yesterday's blog, I felt we had a "magic" moment when people discovered that "Anon" was in fact, "Colorado Bob". The joy expressed from so many here was a moment of great importance in that it taught me an important lesson (this on top of the happiness that I also shared with the Clisters!). The lesson was that we, even across the globe and via our "let the fingers do the walking" mode of communication, really are emotionally bonded in a level that I didn't even realize. No matter the distance or disagreements, we really care about each other. There are wonderful friendships here that I think we'd really not expect to see in a political blog. We're more than just politics, even though politics is about the human condition. We are a community that share and argue, care and fight. We are all human, strong in our own ways and flawed in others.

I have been laughing a bit about Anon being CBob because it also reminded me that sometimes the "newcomer" is a place's "old friend". We've been through a rough ride and tumble this past Presidential campaign, but from what I have read the group here was cemented with many friendships. Despite the flare-ups, we do care eh?

Oh and if I am not making sense, I was just taking a nap and not fully awake. in a few moments I have to again go back to work (a split shift today at request of my employee).

If I didn't get the point across... let's celebrate the community that we are!

xoxoxoxo

The end of this article has a link to some very nice pictures of the end of Hillary's campaign.

Why Obama Wants Hillary for His 'Team of Rivals'
"To succeed at modern diplomacy, it helps to take the long view. As word trickled out that President-elect Barack Obama was considering Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State, Clinton was on the phone with the President of Pakistan. Asif Ali Zardari was calling with a long-overdue thank-you. Back in 1998, when Zardari's late wife Benazir Bhutto was powerless and out of favor with the United States, the then First Lady had received her at the White House, over the objections of both the State Department and the National Security Council. Bhutto eventually regained her influence, and before her assassination last December, became an important U.S. ally. But she had never forgotten that act of graciousness, Zardari told Clinton on Nov. 14. "To be treated with such respect was very important." "
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1860727,00.html

On a personal note, the district manager called me today and I have been invited to a special event for station operators who maintain the best shops in the Belgian Lukoil network. As a leo needing positive feedback, I am so happy to have been so recognized and invited to this gathering !!

Craig, I think Hillary will be fabulous in State. I think this is the opportunity of a lifetime to shift gears and branch out. What do Secretaries of State usually do when they are finished with their tenures?

"Major, major congrats to Jason on his successful defense. Well done!"

I second that.
Congrats Jason!

Jason has gotten his Ph.D?

Ph. D..........down here that's post hole diggers.......

"I have been invited to a special event for station operators who maintain the best shops in the Belgian Lukoil network."

Congratulations to you too Tom. Job well done! It's nice to be recognized when you put in the extra effort and show pride in your work.

Since we are all taking about Pirates.. here is my Cher song of the day

Cher - PIRATE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1DKpa_qZg

I am happy for Jason !!! He's far more disciplined than me. It took me 6 years to get off my ass and finish my 2 year MPA program. :-)

Chloe... thank you. I was psyched!

You should be. And by the way, you asked if you were making sense this morning. You are. Perfect sense. Enjoyed reading your post. :)
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175751

mornin' all.

chloe, Fritz was (is) some sort of financial analyst uber conservative uber republican who loved to yank chains and piss people off. He got tossed for suggesting in strong terms that one very decent poster here, Trial Lawyer Richard (who happened to be an ex-college roommate of Criag's (isn't that right - maybe it was law school?)) had had sex with one of his parents and inquired as to which one. He would engage in dialogue, but would not acknowledge the validity of any position other than his own. When it came to discussing anything with him, think Gordo.

Craig, I am one who is in the "take it" camp for Hillary and SoS. There is another reason she might consider taking it rather than passing - she's no spring chicken, and if she's truly interested in a run at POTUS in 2012, having sat in the top position at State would be a terrific feather in her cap - assuming of course that we aren't at worse odds with the rest of the world than we are now - as if THAT could happen. Besides, she may even be considering something like retirement - some folks even younger than her consider that as a possibility - and if she is, she could retire after the 2012 election cycle if she was an unsuccessful candidate and still be able to say she had achieved enough. As a junior senator for another 8 years, I'm not so sure.

Thanks for that honest report pogo. No wonder tylenol said she chose her nic because of reading Fritz's posts (thought she was kidding). Sorry I even brought him up.

Now I have to work for a while. Later. :)

Pogo

But why the job as SoS, She has no special qualities for the job except her stint as first lady when she was flying around the world.
I think she would do a great job, but then I think she would do a great job at anything.
It just seems like this is a plan to mothball her and keep her out of an arena where her opinions would be noticed.

Jack

I found the Palin video posted last night to be funny. A bit of a Red Green moment , Alaskan style.
I googled a bit and found out she was at the farm to do the annual ritual of pardoning a turkey.
It is obvious that Alaskan realities are a bit much for some folks lol

The farm where it happened is a local producer of natural free range poultry btw.
http://www.alaskatripled.com/

Jack

Jack, I think that for a number of reasons, SoS offers her more than remaining a junior senator with no committee chairmanship or even any real leadership position offers does. Reid is considering creating some sort of leadership post, but SoS is, or can be, a very powerful position (think James Baker). She would spend her time hobnobbing with the most powerful rulers in the world, and while she would in part be carrying Obama's water, there is some considerable discretion in the post with respect to how the goals of the US are accomplished on the world stage. And I can tell you who Bill Clinton's SoS was, but ask me who the junior senator from most states was in 1998, and all you'll get is a blank stare. Plus, I'd venture to say that the SoS job requires skills that Clinton possesses in spades.

I think there are good arguments for her to remain in the senate as well, but on balance i see the position at State as offering her more to fill out an already impressive record, or prepare for her next post as CEO of the Red Cross or Chair of the WHO.

yeah..... but.... Craig.....
soap operas can be so much fun to watch......

It doesn't matter to me what Hillary chooses to do with her life.....
and I agree with Jack..... I think she'll do great no matter that choice....

and since everyone wants to kick Fritz around..... I thought it might be nice to say something..... well.... nice about him..... unlike Gordo... he could have a wicked sense of humor when the thought occurred to him.....

going off to the "big city" to do some errands.... see y'all later this afternoon...

Patsi
Just for you

VENTURE CAPITALISTS INVEST IN SOMALI PIRATES

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1405&Itemid=59

Jack

Jack, this article does a pretty good job of looking at some of the considerations Hillary has to be thinking about with respect to remaining in the senate. Finally, I think it would be hard to go back to running a jackhammer after almost being named CEO of the company.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1&hp

And I ran across another one that bears on skills she has that would dovetail nicely with the SoS job, but I can't find it right now. But I'm persistent and will pass it along when I do.

Renee, for the record, I wasn't kicking Fritz around, or at least that wasn't my intent. I thought that a straighforward answer to a question about him was in order. And you are right he did have a wicked good sense of humor. I actually enjoyed sparring with him, despite warnings from others that I was wasting my time.

Renee, you're going to Nashua? Don't get lost. lol

Ok folks the pirate story was satire (i think)
but this is the real news.

"Keidanren, Japan's biggest business organization, is worried the nation's workers aren't having enough sex."

``You must go home early,'' Nippon Oil Corp. President Shinji Nishio told staff in a speech for the company's two-week family campaign, which ends Nov. 22. `.............................................
......................................these aren't just somebody else's problem. We expect all workers' active participation.'

I was going to add some comment but..........lol

Jack

OMG, Jack! This was priceless:

" Captain Ahmed's Crazee Bastards with the initial tranche used for capital purchases including new speed boats, 200 yards of very strong rope and a gun the size of a cow."

Oops

The link to the Japan/sex article

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a6qq53CVLzUg&refer=home

Obama plans to nominate Clinton after Thanksgiving. Everything is going according to plan.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081121/Obama.Cabinet/

Sounds to me like O got as fed up as I did last night at all the back and forth wah wah wah. Just saw one far left someone saying, "He will have to explain why he is doing this". Poor baby.

He is doing it because she is the best person for the job for his global purposes. They have worked it out. Now go away and let us finish the job of getting her there.

Jack this isn't the article I was looking for, but it's in the ballpark.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_CABINET?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Forget the aerobics, turn on the radio

http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20081113/joyful-music-helps-the-heart

It is good for you to sit here typing and listening to you tube. :-)

Patsi -- Pip Bale and the Traveling Zanettos! I love it. I would claim that one too!

~ Alicia

"Just saw one far left someone saying, "He will have to explain why he is doing this".

Unbelievable, Jamie. I don't know why his own crowd is so obsessed with his judgement now! They believed in it during the election cycle -- let him do this in how own way, and on his time schedule. I'd rather see her stay in the Senate, personally. I think the scavangers will continue to pick Hillary's bones and it could hurt the administration if they do....but that's his call.

It's beginning to look like the MN senate race will be that victory by one vote that Jefferson spoke about.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/34806059.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs

Patsi, my question is to whom will he have to explain why he is doing anything? I know the EC hasn't met yet, but last I knew, Obama had been elected to be the POTUS. He might have to explain some things in 4 years, but until then, I think he gets to make his decisions for whatever reasons he sees appropriate. Besides, who would 2nd guess any of the appointments he has leaked to date? They have all struck me as imminently reasonable in that the nominees to be are all facially qualified for the posts that they are likely to get.

Tomorrow is the 45th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. This clip is ten minutes long, but it is fascinating. It is the actual broadcast of a Dallas radio rock music station during the event. The person who did the video has interspersed TV stills such as Ozzie and Harriet, clips of the dances of the period, and clips from the Zapruder film. It gives a real feel for the time period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEZ8D_F6UA

Now it is coming out. All of the noise about the SoS appointment was (AS USUAL) noise. Rumors and speculation are all sorts of fun, and the litter rotten do love the game but:

Once more with feeling:

Those who talk, don't know. Those who know, don't talk.

Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy
- President-Elect Barack Obama`s transition team is exploring a swift, prepackaged bankruptcy for automakers as a possible solution to the industry's financial crisis, according to a person familiar with the matter.

"......something needs to be done immediately....GM, the largest U.S. automaker, said it might run out of cash as early as the end of the year and that the risk was even greater by mid-2009.......

The difficulty is assuring the American people that the bailout money won't simply defer the company's failure for six to 12 months"
ttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRfqFMhlj5lk&refer=worldwide

"Clinton Should Stay in the Senate"

Was that what everyone was saying during the VP selection period? Not sure, but I agree today even though much of the speculation hype has subsided.

Sheila, what's to fight over? It's over, right? But not to worry - something will come up to fight over soon enough. Have a good day at work - whip up something particularly yummy and test your own fare.

Whatever route that would get her to Supreme Court as fast as possible,,,would be my choice.

Don't know if this is a silly question--but if their daughter and they, are considering a political career in the future for her---which position would help her the most in the long run.
In the senate she is more likely to help her out more???

She should stay in the senate------Pres. Clinton, will and can help pres, Obama around the world as a diplomat -----then you would have an added diplomat in whoever he would choose???

patsi, just saw your post and here's one for you a little off the subject, but still has the word pirate in it. (btw, you mentioned bill gave up his list.... i was hoping he'd hold it just in case lucy snatched the football away again.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7740417.stm

"A few nights ago, some tanks came out from the high sea and they cracked it seems and now they are leaking into the water and into the air.

The first people fell ill yesterday afternoon. People are reporting mysterious illnesses; they are talking about it as though it were chicken pox - but it is not exactly like that either. Their skin is bad. They are sneezing, coughing and vomiting.

This is the first time it has been like this; that people have such very, very bad sickness."

sorry should finish the thought-----he would choose as SOS

Solar, I've heard so many mixed reports about the Senate vs. the Sec. of State, I don't know what to think.

Clinton could have enhanced role in Senate
"Democratic leaders in the Senate are prepared to give Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton a still-undefined leadership role there if she does not become Barack Obama's secretary of state, Democratic officials close to the situation said

...Reid told those at the closed-door meeting that he was looking for a way to create a new leadership role for her, two people who were in the room said...Reid wants to come up with some sort of leadership position to recognize Clinton's standing as one of the party's most popular figures, and aides said he was confident that he could arrive at something with sufficient muscle to appeal to her.

Democratic officials said Clinton had not tried to use the Obama discussions to gain leverage with the Senate leadership. "The fact is that this is something that the leadership has been working on for a few weeks now," a senior Senate aide said."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/21/news/transition.php

I do not agree that having Clinton at State will limit any perceived threat that she has to the Obama agenda. Just the opposite. Let her stay in the Senate where she is one voice of many and does not have her hand on any levers that can thwart Obama.

On the other hand, the word I hear is that she and Bill were just wonderful helping Obama during the fall campaign. So, maybe she is now on board and will work to help the Obama Presidency. NOT! When have the Clintons put another politician's success in front of their own?

When have (fill in the blank with the name of your favorite politician) put another politician's success in front of their own?

Son, its called politics, played with a hard ball. lol , They all do it.
Only the Koolaid drinkers think their candidate is different.

Jack

Chole---- --i hear you,,,j also have read and heard the same things,,,but just made up my mind that she should stay in the senate --------they have always been a team, and a 2 fer,,,the country, now Obama can have them as a2 fer also with pres. C, as a roaming diplomat ----meanwhile Sen C could help to bring about Health Care??but, but, but,

Patd -- that piece on the Somali coast is alarming. Who is dumping what there, and why are they getting away with it? The anarchy status of the state, I guess.

Tom, when has any prominent politician put any other politician's success above their own? (George HW Bush doesn't count) It's a trick question, right? Clinton haters don't want her there as SoS, Clinton likers are divided on the issue. The arguments meann bupkuss - it's a decsion for Obama and Clinton. But it is fun to talk as if we know anything about what is going on, isn't it?

cbob, please put on anon's energy expert cap a minute and tell me if this earmark is to implement what's described in the second link below. also your take on why such peersonal energy alternative wouldn't be successful.

http://earmarks.omb.gov/2008-earmarks/earmark_353617.html

http://realneo.us/Harnessing-the-Power-of-Wind

pogo, sorry I didn't see you had already linked that story from the NYTimes.....I unknowingly missed some posts this morning. Now I have to hit the road. Good day all.

"Reid wants to come up with some sort of leadership position to recognize Clinton's standing as one of the party's most popular figures"

Chloe
That is so much hot air,imo. There is only one leadership position available that bypasses the seniority that is so sacred to the senate and that is his.

Jack

From what I have seen of PE Obama is that he likes neat packages. He likes to shuffle things, look them over, add and remove etc. Once he has something he likes as a presentable package, then it becomes public. There has been testimony from Michele that he would sit up all night working on speech drafts or class presentations.

He simply is not a hap hazard, throw it out, go with gut person. He learns fast. He listens to advise. Then and only then does he decide.

He has a vision of exactly what he wants his cabinet to be and is putting it together. When he likes a piece and everything is ready to go, he says go and not before.

Right now, I think he and Hillary have already decided they work well together and have a similar vision. Now they are ironing out the wrinkles to make it happen.

"That is so much hot air,imo"

Right Jack....don't even know why I posted it.
I know it's all hot air and I was breaking my 'just wait and see' rule.
Have a good one.

"does not have her hand on any levers that can thwart Obama."

Ah, yes, Tom. You have stumbled onto the terrible TRUTH -- The Evil Queen of Witches, plotting and scheming and thwarting in her Foggy Bottom Lair. It's what she lives for.

Jamie

I'm begining to think he is a lot like the Big Dawg, He listens to a variety of ideas and opinions. This gets leaked by those championing a certain POV. But what he decides will be his from what I can see. or at least hope.

Jack

You folks give me far too much credit. And kind words have always made me nervous, as if they somehow invite that Acme anvil of life to land on me again.
Never the less thank - you for them.
I discovered something about 15 months ago, which I'm sure many people already know. One of the keys to life is to get yourself a little deadline, and keep nudging it off into the future. And if you catch it, get yourself another little deadline. You have know idea how far that will carry you.

Craig -
Good luck at U of V today. That's another place I'd love to see.

The key to Fritz -
He always argued that down was merely the lack of having any up.
That water was defined by too much wet.
That brown was the secret son of green.

Jamie -
I have a new task for your excellent management skills .

The Pardon Pool -
Who will Bush pardon ?

"Who is dumping what there, and why are they getting away with it?"

patsi, 'fraid the "who" may be us or at least some of our surrogates. 60 minutes had two pretty good pieces lately on similar stuff. the erstwhile mafia use to be in the business... guess some still may be, but dob as global entrepenuers like haliburton subsidiaries.

If you want a good read on the current media dust devil regarding HRC & BO & WJC take a look at Digby quoting David Sirota -

" ................ More broadly, the way they portray it, candidates and political operatives are larger than life heroes or villains who make Big Decisions and Face Consequences, while the media is a herd of lobotomized automatons that are so mindless and innocent and pure, that they cannot be held culpable for anything at all. Indeed, according to Newsweek, the entire political media is an innocent bystander to politics. "

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

" a herd of lobotomized automatons that are so mindless and innocent and pure, that they cannot be held culpable for anything at all."

dob= dba

"He always argued that down was merely the lack of having any up.
That water was defined by too much wet.
That brown was the secret son of green."

CBob, I'm supposed to be long gone right now, but you really threw me one with this. I'll be trying to figure out exactly what you meant by it, for days to come.

Love your deadline advice, agree too. :)

Chloe

I assumed you posted it just for me, so I could demonstrate my incredible knowledge and insight
;-P

Seriously, I like your throw it at the wall posting style.
If you felt bruised or offended, I didn't mean to and apologise for my clumsiness.

None of us are so smart that we know everything and you never know when a tidbit may turn on a light.

The question buzzing through my mind right now,
Are Reid and Obama that respectful of Clinton. Or do they wish she would just go away?

Jack

"The key to Fritz -
He always argued that down was merely the lack of having any up.
That water was defined by too much wet.
That brown was the secret son of green."

ROFL! Fell off the chair at that one....

Patd -

Looking at your links.

" herd of lobotomized automatons that are so mindless and innocent and pure"

omg, cbob, that sounds like some of us! must be true the old saying that we get the media we deserve.

CBob

The Pardon Pool. Who will be first into the deep end for nefarious, evil deeds.

Cheney, Rove, and Gonzales will get a general "in case they ever did anything". Would anybody else like to add to the group?

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This new status of forces agreement hasn't been approved by the Iraqi parliament, but it has a provision in it that if approved might turn Iraq upside down in a big way.

There are currently more "military for hire" in Iraq than regular U.S. forces. Once that agreement goes into effect, they will be subject to Iraqi law. Given the propensity they have for blowing away innocent civilians and children, they might decide it is a good time to leave town. The underpaid, regular service guys could have the sky fall on them once the overpaid mercenaries decamp.

Jack, not at all. I didn't feel bruised.
(I need to work on my communication skills.)
I really did agree with you. If I hadn't, you know I would have let you know. :)

I'm Sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGPQVUJqq0

THE PARDON LIST

Dick Cheney
Karl Rove
Alberto Gonzalez
Donald Rumsfeld

I took my poor pitiful excuse for an IRA an fully invested it in America. It is fully invested in Ford , Chevy, Walmart and Warren Buffet. I let me just enough cash to buy a nice Flag and a flag pole to fly it from.

God Bless the USA
Jack

BTW

It's not like there is much money left in the IRA to lose anyway.

Jack

Jamie

Scooter Libby
John Yoo
Cheney's current chief of staff David something

Everybody at Blackwater
Haliburton
The CIA

Patd -

Looks like you found a real connection there Patd .

As to your second point, Fox News did a "report" recently on Obama's energy plans. The whole subtext of which was that they were "bad", because they would be "big". This one was on the large solar plants in the Mojave.
Sure enough they found a granola cruncher, pointing out the evils of these sorts of installations.
- They use large tracts of land.
- They still need a huge grid to move the electrons around.

While the aim of this piece was to ding Obama, it did get at the battle we'll see in the coming years.
Whether we chose a new template to move forward, or the old one.

The old is based on a large station, and from there power is moved on a large grid to the user.
The new one is based on small units producing where the user is, and any extra power being fed into the grid.

The old one sets up a world where the bill still comes in the mail from a large company. The new one sets up a world where that company has to treat you as a possible producer was well as a consumer.

NBC did a story the other day about this very issue. Crooks and Liars has a post on it today -

" Delaware resident who took it upon herself to install solar panels on the roof of her home. In a delicious bit of irony, across the river from her house is the Salem, NJ, nuclear power plant. As the MSNBC anchor says, it's a perfect illustration of old school power vs. new school power. "

http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/how-does-000-electric-bill-sound

C-Bob -- the Hullabaloo piece is spot on....I especially loved this:

"There are real problems to write about --- too many to even begin to truly inform the public about. People really don't care who Bill Clinton's foundation took money from to fund HIV and global warming programs. (Where's the controversy there, anyway? That these bad actors will influence SOS Hillary to start a war so that Bill can fund more AIDs research? I don't get it.) But, it doesn't matter. The whole point is for all of them (the greatest lunatic, by far, being the very, very emotionally ill Maureen Dowd) to chatter like a bunch of robotic magpies about the Clintons and then solemnly denounce them for being a distraction . Truly, these people need a 12 step program."

WiskyJ -

Your post reminds me of the Pink Floyd line from "Wish you were here "

And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?

no doubt ' green technologies are the future ''but we still
have to get from here to there ' and that means fossil
fuels will be used for the foreseeable future' i think it
should be our fossil fuel' not Saudi or Venezuelan.
unless people are willing to do without those luxury
items like lights and heat

Patsi -
Digby is one of the best writers on the net, she's a very bright bulb.

Blue -
Glad you bit on the tool bag story, it gives me a chance to expand -

It took a woman to lose a $ 100,000 tool bag in outer space.
It took a man to design 3 $25,000 grease guns to go in it.

I think Senator Clinton would ultimately have a larger influence from the Senate. With her stature within the party and her backing from her supporters, she could certainly influence the specific legislation for health care, education, veteren's care and energy independence. I would imagine that any of the more senior members would welcome her public support and she could help craft the legislation.

I would hate for her to leave the Senate for the flashier job which solely depends on the good will of the President.

Supreme Court Justices To Review Obama’s Citizenship

"Donofrio’s case challenges President-elect Barack Obama’s name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship with regards to his “natural born citizenship”.

It’s the questions over Obama’s citizenship in this light that are important, for they deal with the fact that Obama is not a “natural born citizen” as defined in the United States Constitution. The framers of the Constitution made a clear distinction between “natural born Citizens” and all other Citizens. ... Barack Obama admits at his official website, fightthesmears.com, that at the time of his birth he was a British Citizen a well as a United States Citizen.

It seems impossible that the framers of the United States Constitution sought to allow future Presidents to serve who were born subject to the British Monarchy, considering that they had just fought a bloody revolution to escape it."

http://rightsoup.com/supreme-court-justices-to-review-obamas-citizenship/

Today's celebrity tidbit: Ashley Simpson gives birth to boy: Bronx Mowgli

Insiders say next child a girl will be named
Brooklyn Riki Tiki Tavi

"I took my poor pitiful excuse for an IRA an fully invested it in America. It is fully invested in Ford , Chevy, Walmart and Warren Buffet. I let me just enough cash to buy a nice Flag and a flag pole to fly it from." jack@12:34

Jack, I've got some spare flags if you need one. I usually keep a few around to replace decrepit ones in the neighborhood.

At lunch I talked with Stinky about selling one of he mutual funds, taking the proceeds and buying one share of Berkshire Hathaway at $80k and putting the remainder in her money market. She agreed.

So, I called our broker and placed the order.

Then she figured out how many zeros there were in the share of stock she bought. Major sticker shock. "Call him back and cancel it." to which I told her, too late, it's already been bought. You'll have to pay another commission to get rid of it.

Oh well, I shoulda known that the original conversation went too easy.

"nsiders say next child a girl will be named
Brooklyn Riki Tiki Tavi"

SNORT!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175833

i think that this type of thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place,,,i have mine now u get yours-----we will spend a lot of $ anyway for aid food etc. when disaster strikes any part of the world---but don't if some feel this way,,,i can respect it,,,just don't tell me how sorry they feel about the suffering of others-----and lets by all means forget that we have been the ones that have abused the environment the most----from now on all things are going to be a world problem,,,better get used to it

Cnn will air a special all next week on a alien life all next week,,should be interesting---on american morning show.

The other side of the universe is about 300 light years away

one light year is about 6 miles x 10 to the 12 th power =

1763451443569553.8 and a full tank of gas

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175843

Time to move, you can see the neighbors from this side of the hill.

mqw -

Over 38 years ago when I became interested in energy, that "foreseeable future " line was being used, and it was far more valid back then .
At that time, everybody in China got up and rode a bicycle to work, or they walked. And everybody in India just stayed home. Please don't think that we, just 3 % of the world's population can continue to burn 25 % of the world's oil everyday just because we did in the past.
Please don't think that there's some giant hidden pool of oil the that's been kept from us here. The simple fact is we drilled it , we pumped it and we burnt the crap out of it. Then we went looking all over the world for it, and as long as it was "cheap" we didn't really care where it came from.

Cheap means that we didn't care if an oil tanker runs into a reef and dumps 11,000,000 gallons on some beach somewhere.
Cheap means that we didn't care if the most expensive rig ever built has some little design flaw that let's it lose it's ballast and capsize taking all hands with it.
Cheap means that we didn't care if the air quality in the greater Yellowstone basin slides down hill to something that gives L. A. a race for it's money on who has more particulates floating around.
Cheap means that we didn't care if we sent our army around the world to guard someone else's pool of hydrocarbons from some tin horn bully.

The simple fact is that nothing about this whole subject is simple. And oil is a two edged sword, for over 100 years it cut our way, now it's cutting a different way.

mqw ...... Do yourself a favor start looking into this with a little less of a bumper sticker mindset. Start with this guy, he's not some wide - eyed lefty, he's one of the biggest oil bankers in Houston.

" Simmons & Company is the only independent investment bank specializing in the entire spectrum of the energy industry. Founded in 1974, the firm has acted as financial advisor in over $134* billion of transactions, including 535 merger and acquisitions worth over $93 billion."

Matthew Simmons on Peak Oil - 28 min - Oct 29, 2006

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-429585738009344102

700 billion a year sent overseas for multi-billionaire
saudi's'' to chavez in Venezuela'' to iran to build
a nuclear arsenal and fund terrorist''
that would make a good bumber sticker

Cheney Indictment Gets Crazy (Those Zany Texans...)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-11-21-cheney-indictment_N.htm

I'm baaaaack....

Pogo..... don't fret none about the word "kick"...... as old Fritzy definitely deserved a good one every now and then..... and yes.... I did go to Bowman's hometown..... and guess what I saw..... a friggin' traffic light!..... he he....

CBob.... I don't think I've seen the words "Peak Oil" on this blog since the last time you wrote them..... I hope the recent falling gas prices doesn't lull anyone into thinking those cheap prices will be here for long.....

Not only has Colorado Bob returned but oddly enough, the Energy Blog which was dormant since last spring has come back to life this week.

This blogs mission "Increasingly expensive oil and global warming are causing an energy revolution by requiring oil to be supplemented by alternative energy sources and by requiring changes in lifestyle. The Energy Blog is a place where all topics relating to The Energy Revolution are presented and form the basis for discussion. I hope that this site will be a useful reference for those who wish to find information about The Energy Revolution.

http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/

Renee,

which traffic light did you see?

The Ocean Ranger was a semi-submersible mobile offshore drilling unit that sank in Canadian waters on 15 February 1982. It was drilling an exploration well in the Grand Banks area, 267 kilometres (166 miles) east of St. John's, Newfoundland, for Mobil Oil of Canada, Ltd. (MOCAN) with 84 crew members on board when it sank. There were no survivors of the accident. - Wiki

The Piper Alpha was a North Sea oil production platform operated by Occidental Petroleum (Caledonia) Ltd. It accounted for around ten per cent of the oil and gas production from the North Sea at the time. The platform began production in 1976 first as an oil platform and then later converted to gas production. An explosion and resulting fire destroyed it on July 6, 1988, killing 167 men. Total insured loss was $ 3.4 billion. To date it is the world’s worst offshore oil disaster.

Piper Alpha Disaster - 20 Year Anniversary of Tragedy

http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/piper-alpha-disaster-19-year-anniversary-of-tragedy/

Oil has never been "cheap", it's just most of the costs have been off the books.

Bowman....
actually I saw a whole mess of 'em on Amherst St.....

remember when you could drive it's entire length and encounter 2.....
now there's something like 28 of them...... I hate strip malls!....

Riddle of cultures is just misunderstanding.

in India the hungry peasants don't eat their cows, not because they are worshiped as gods so much,,,but the recoverable manure provides energy substitutes also.

Indias cattle annually excrete about 700 million tons of recoverable manure. about half of this total lis used as fertilizer, while most of the remainder is burned to provide heat for cooking . The annual quantity of heat liberated by dung, the Indian house wife's main cooking fuel, is the thermal equivealent of 27 tons of kersone, 35 millions tons of coal, or 68 million tons of wood----many many uses for cow dung-----just one more for now---mised with water and made into a paste, it is used for household flooring material, smeared over a dirt floor and left to harden into a smooth surface, it keeps the dust down and can be swept clean with a broom----no it doesn't smell, it has been transformed------they use the female water buffalo for milk cos it has much more nutrients in it,,,and much more that we as a whole don't know---pretty cool-- huh

"...small units producing where the user is..."
thanks, cbob, for the insightful analysis.

back in 2004 +/- gm ceo announced the hydrogen car that sounded great. it even produced energy as well as use it and only pooped sounds that hurt noone's ears and just peed h2o. i wanted one. think of the freedom from the grid, from central water supply, from noise. then i read where they sent some proto types to japan to run practicality tests of a fleet of them for municipal use. next thing heard about it was some other car company overseas was doing it... then nothing. talk about small units producing where the user is, wha happened at gm?

that is mixed with water

"It seems impossible that the framers of the United States Constitution sought to allow future Presidents to serve who were born subject to the British Monarchy, considering that they had just fought a bloody revolution to escape it."

Who sez, that ambulance chaser Donofrio ? Like he know everything!

"Supreme Court Justices To Review Obama’s Citizenship"

Another BS headline for wingnuts. The SC hasn't decided to review this case.

As for Hillary, it dawned on me lots of people remember the Marshall Plan, but not many remember Jr. senators from New York.
While this time isn't the aftermath of WW II, it is one of those times when the world has rolled over, and those times offer much to ambitious people.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175845

Welcome back, Bob. :-)

This is what I've missed.

Renee, a traffic light? In Nashua? Damn runaway development in the granite state.

re pardon poll
please add to the prospective and preemptive list:

w himself
poppi (in case the iran contra skeletons ever come out of the closet)

i have several solar panel and two windmill stocks
in my measly portfolio they are all down 60 to 90
percent. so all you left -wing liberal environmentalist
who love to bemoan the sins of america put your
money where your mouth is' have solar panels
installed on your house today'' buy a hybrid car now'
please ' i would like to have at least one stock that would go up'' or go collect cow dung as solar c seems
to think is a good idea

Patsi your response to Tom Williams was priceless !!

can a President pardon himself?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175856

What Rez said. His motion for a stay is on the conference docket. His Petition for Writ of Certiorari, which is the pleading that actually begins a case in the SCOTUS, has not been filed, or at least is not on the Court's docketing system. He's like a guy who's outside in the cold and has to pee real bad. He's got the urge, he's unzipping his pants, but he can't find his penis yet, but he's fishing in his pants for it. In a couple of weeks we'll know if he gets to pee in the snow or has to go in his pants.

To calculate the actual price of oil, we should include the cost of the iraq war (probably will end well in excess of $3TR!LL!ON), the cost of smog-related respiratory disease - probably in excess of $25 B!LL!ON/yr (just a guess - it could be a lot more) including lot work time, and the additional cost of filtering smog laden air for use in homes and workplaces.

One thing I always loved about the "Awl Bidness" was the names of everything.

Piper Alpha, Ocean Ranger, mud pump, bentonite, kelly hose .... it's studded with that kind of words.

The coolest rig I ever saw was Brinkerhoff Signal's Big Red #40 on the Anschutz Ranch in Utah. She had 35 feet of BOP stack, and was going 23,000 feet for sour gas .

See lots of cool words just talking about it.

The BOP stack -
Blow Out Preventer : A large valve or series of valves that close off the hole when something bad happens. ( These things don't always work by the way. )

Hello all, Fox just announced that Hillary accepted S

Supremes to review citizenship arguments

"A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship hasbeen scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

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"She, here's the note from the SCOTUS on the conference - scheduled for 12/5. The decision on whether it's accepted should be in the notices the following Monday (12/8)."

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm

Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | November 20, 2008 7:32 PM

oops, SOS.

Pogo,. . I like your layman's explantion, I'm betting on the pant's wetter.

"Fox just announced that Hillary accepted SOS"

Sea, I haven't had on the TV for weeks and depend on this site for my news. Is it for sure?

I'm looking at a chart on page 118 of the Nov 15th Economist. Using OECD/IEA as their source, they show, for 2030, developed countries in Europe, North America, and Asia having decreased demand for oil of something like 3-million barrels per day. On the other hand, the rest of the world shows increased demand of something like 22-million barrels per day.

The only way we can be on the 'good' side of that inequation is through development of alternative energy. Having seen the polluting mess blowing over from China while we were in Korea, I certainly hope we choose clean technologies.

If we can get our act together, it seems as if we are presented with tremendous economic opportunities if we are the ones that lead the inevitable technological revolution surrounding capturing and developing sources of alternative energy.

mqw-said-----collect cow dung as solar c seems
to think is a good idea-----u know that i just provided that as an interesting aside----here is another

You can laugh at them now,,,but that part of the world will run the whole damn thing in the future---we don't know what it is to wait for something---we want it now---and along with the religious crowd that doesn't believe in global warming,,,,it might not be a bad idea cos we are not going to be the boss of them in the future anyway-------the east will cos they waited the longest to develop,,they had no choice,,,but it is not going to be any better for them as if they did-----understand this, we will not have anything left in 50-75 years except bombs, and religion,,,start saving that cow dung------

That's what they're saying. Odd, I haven't had tv on for a few weeks either, just happened to turn it on a few minutes before the breaking news announcement

I guess so!

Clinton Is Said to Opt for Secretary of State Position
"Hillary Rodham Clinton has decided to give up her Senate seat and accept the position of secretary of state, making her the public face around the world for the administration of the man who beat her for the Democratic presidential nomination, two confidants said Friday."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp

Chloe, I guess you'll know for sure shortly when Craig updates. He is pretty quick.

Pogo -

And I love the colorful legal metaphors that involve genetalia.

GORDO : "for they deal with the fact that Obama is not a...."

No such fact.

GORDO's persistent refusal to show that alleged Indonesian documents are attested to by affadavits from the authors PROVES THAT THE CASE IS BOGUS.

Another thing for Hillary conspiracy theorists to consider is the Line of Succession for the presidency. SoS is # four, so all she has to get rid of are Obama, Biden, Pelosi, & Byrd.

Pogo -
The law is a lot easier to understand you explain it.

Remember in the movie "Thunder Dome" how the power for the whole city was run on methane from pig poo. Science fiction today, reality tomorrow.

Bow, You know what saying that is going to do with the conspiracy theorists. Shame on you. :)

chloe,

Sorry, i feel dirty.

Sea, I think Craig's here today;
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/programs/adc/index.htm

Bad boy.

"...he's fishing in his pants for it. In a couple of weeks we'll know if he gets to pee in the snow or has to go in his pants."
pogo, is that before or after he gets arrested for public indecency?

"start saving that cow dung"
solar, it can come in handy. there's a real good recipe using cow paddy for cooking carp.

Rosie---
not a lot of people r concerned for the future----there will be a time in the future that the human waste will be processed as food,,,,,and no one will think twice about buying it----there won't be us against them---it is all going to be us---wheather some like it or not

HILLARY ACCEPTS!

pat, LOL!

Donofrio's case is predicated on the idea that Obama's father gave birth to him, an occurence the likes of which has not happened since Zeus bore his daughter, Athena.

Solar -"It's made out of people!"
ET-just one step closer to 2012.

Chloe- I'm sure you're right and he's there, and so is his laptop!

"solar, it can come in handy. there's a real good recipe using cow paddy for cooking carp."

"-there will be a time in the future that the human waste will be processed as food"

OMG pat, you weren't far off....you guys are killin' me

"he's there, and so is his laptop!"

Of course, what was i thinking Sea....I guess I won't believe it til I hear it from Craig's mouth.

The medicine gabapentin, not only makes me stutter when i talk sometimes, but it may have an effect one me when i trying to talk with my fingers---most of the time it moves too fast around here to make sure of what i did say ---along with the 2 way radios going all the time,, and office phone,,,i apologize for my lack of editing before i submit

XRepub -

Add in the cost of the 1st gulf war, and all the up keep since World war II.

mqw -
Tell us where that giant pool of oil is, so Newt can update his book.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175839

Flatus
You are a higher roller than I am. I bought I share of BRK-B. As I said there wasn't much there.

If this buy America doesn't pay out, I'm gonna have to be real polite to the wife in my old age.

Jack

Solar-don't sweat it. It's actually kinda fun. Like doing the word jumble in the Sunday paper.

Solar, your editing is just fine. I love reading your posts.

xrepublican -----------------

No one has claimed that the "Indonesian school record" carries any legal weight. It is part of an ongoing process of fitting pieces of the puzzle (SoetorObama's "hidden" past) together to form a picture of who he really is -- not what has been "sold" to the American people. The school record puzzle piece fits.

1) His mother married Lolo Soetoro.

2) He lived in Indonesis for around 4 years.

3) He was known as Barry Soetoro.
---------------------------------

From TD Blog:
-------------------
"We just received this photo of a school registration form ... taken by Tatan Syuflana, an Indonesian AP reporter and photographer. The photo has become relevant now in the context of other revelations reported on this blog. Here is the AP folder where Syuflana’s photo was found:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns06D

NOTE: the AP did verify the photo"

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/

mqw -
I'll tell you why your stocks are down, because the world that Reagan and the Republicans promised us isn't the world we live in. And reality has bad habit of crashing through the door, at the most inopportune times.

Do you really believe we would have invaded Iraq if French Salad Dressing was buried under that place ?

Chloe, wished I could be a fly on the wall at the convention of journalists when they heard the announcement. Everyone scurrying off with their laptops and blackberries! Just a different lab.

xrepublican------------------------

Leo Donofrio argues (he's not alone) that SoetorObama does not qualify as "natural born" even if he was born in HI. That's because SoetorObama had dual citizenship (from his father -- UK and Colonies Subject/National) at birth.

US citizen is not the same as "natural born" citizen.

In order for a case to be heard by the SC, it must 1st find sponsorship among the Justices.

Any Justice who wants to waste court time by hearing the Donofrio case must believe that it is possible Obama's father may have given birth to him.

Btw, I just checked the docket, and despite GORDO's headline, the SC isn't hearing the matter yet. Let's hope that scalia rises to the poisoned bait.

"wished I could be a fly on the wall"

It would be fun Sea...........but Hillary is always making news, and will continue to, I'm sure.

Sometimes, I think people don't listen to themselves.

Lady on NPR talk of the nation , said that experts agreed we had 10 years before global warming was out of control and we needed the electric car. immediately.

OK I said and I thought about it.
Looked around me in the walmart parking lot.
lol
Too frickin' late.
Fact is half of these gas guzzling cars are still going to be on the road in 10 years. It will be more than 10 years before a usable electric vehicle (that anyone I know can afford, ) will be in production.

Besides, gas is $1.34 at the quiktrip on the corner of Truman and Sterling in Independence MO.

Jack

"reality has bad habit of crashing through the door, at the most inopportune times."

yes....Murphy's law...

Jack, if Buy American doesn't work, we are screwed as a nation and as individuals within that nation. So much of it depends on our getting our heads straight.

Consider this, we are a net importer of food. What an absurdity! And, we import virtually all of the high-end technologically sophisticated toys with which we indulge ourselves. That is so incredibly dumb.

In the years leading up to WW-2, the Roosevelt administration inventoried every bit of potential manufacturing capability in our country. That data, along with the capability it reflected, was the basis for our eventual success in the War and in the post-War boom years.

For many years Caterpillar was the most successful American country, It represented the best of our manufacturing capability. Where is it now?

Our lack of initiative in becoming masters of our national redevelopment depresses me enormously.

Dow jumped 400 pts. Will Hillary get any credit for that?

More on Bush's Last Minute BS:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-environmental-rules21-2008nov21,0,6868742.story

"gas is $1.34"

I don't get it, it's $1.68 here, and Houston is usually lower than other states?

country=company

I like to think I can explain otherwise complicated legal concepts in terms that are easy to grasp (sorry) at least if it's not too cold. I figure if I can get it down to a genetalia explanation, everyone gets interested. The question that will be answered on the 5th is whether Donofrio gets to find out whether the justices want to know whether he's pissing in the wind or not.

xrepublican -------------

Please explain:

"Any Justice who wants to waste court time by hearing the Donofrio case must believe that it is possible Obama's father may have given birth to him."

Solar, you still here?

Were you the one who recommended "Looking out for number one" or did someone recommend that to you a while back, I can't remember. I read that book so many, many years ago and think that's when I first became familiar with Murphy's law. I still haven't ordered that other book you recommended. Can you give me the title again?

Hello Pogo- Came across this somehow in the last week. What do you make of it? http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

1. Stepfathers do not now and have never had the power to stepchildren adhere to any religion.
2. There is no religious bar to becoming President.
3. Fathers don't give birth.
4. Documents filed in court cases need attestation by the authors, or persons who are expert in the authorship of the document in question.

There is no case to remove Obama's name from the ballots, or to bar him from the presidency.

I don't have a clue how the system works, Chloe, I just know that gas in this area is very quick to react to changes in crude. It may have to do with more competition.

Jack

You're probably right Jack. There's a lot of demand here.

"Do you really believe we would have invaded Iraq if French Salad Dressing was buried under that place ? "

Hmm...I might have supported an invasion if Roquefort Dressing was involved...hard to find these days.

Patsi..... Roquefort Dressing...... ROFL!

OSH....
I just tried to send you an email and it bounced back as undeliverable....
so I'll tell you here..... thanks for offering to show my work to a local craft shop... but I have all the work I can handle with shipping to 7 different galleries already..... I'm not making my living by weaving..... just a second income.... if it was for a living, I wouldn't be blogging.... wouldn't have the time.... your offer was very sweet, though..... thanks again....

Giant Pools of oil -
The biggest oil finds in many many years are being made by the Brazilians off their coast. Sounds good right ?

Think again -

" Many of the major oil discoveries off the coast of Brazil are very deep below the earths surface, sometimes up to 2,000 kilometers deep below the Santos Basin. These hard to drill areas are very costly as they are made up of salt rock and sand beds. Petrobras is rumored to be buying around 16 drilling ships to for Tupi and Carioca fields. They are also still working on technology that will allow them to drill effectively this deep. The Cost? Try over 200 Billion Dollars! This cost is manily because most of the oil is below 7,000 feet of water and then another 6-7,000 feet of thick sub sea salt. '

Plus this is heavy oil which isn't good for making fuels, it's sour oil which has H2S in it, and it comes out of the ground at 500 degrees.

The Brazilians operate the world's largest fleet of deep drilling equipment. When we see a drill ship in Cuban waters it will be the Brazilians not the Chinese running it.

All these new fields off Brazil might as well be on the moon if oil stays below 50 dollars.

Chloe -
Gas prices in Mo. = low state gas taxes = roads that rattle your teeth when you bobtail a semi tractor.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-175902

Bob, LMAO. I just love it that you are back. But that said, I will be visiting sunny climes (MX) for a week. I'm gonna love looking back as the plane takes off and seeing snow on the ground.

"Mo. = low state gas taxes "

Thanks CBob, Mystery solved.

whskyjack and NPR Lady,

We don't need perfection. E85 Priuses get 300 plus mpg of gasoline. E85 Insights get 360 plus mpg of gasoline.

Affordable plug-in E85 hybrids, which for practical purposes will average well over 500 mpg of gasoline, should be available in the next 1 - 2 years. A person who drives less than 40 miles each day, may never have to use gasoline at all.

Hybrids, E85 hybrids, and plug-in E85 hybrids, can dramatically decrease the consumption of greenhouse gas emissions. The all ecar and the hydrogen fuel cell are not our only hopes.

Sorry
CB

That doesn't explain it.
mo- .175
tx-- .20
Nice try

Jack

GORDO,

You didn't answer the questions I posed; I have no reason to answer yours.

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Hush Bowman

The far left already believes every conspiracy ever dreamed up by the far right when it comes to Hillary. You don't have to add to the Lucretia Borgia delusions.

BTW, Lucy was actually a very nice, charitable lady. She wasn't responsible for her relatives.

Yep, if we'd been told we needed to free the Roquefort from the tyranny of Saddam about 32 % would have said , "You Betcha!"

Gordo,

Hint : With the exception of Stevens, the republicans on the court claim to believe in a fundamentalist interpretation of the Constitution - that it says what it says.

"free the Roquefort"

I love blue cheese...this would have made sense.

News is saying Richardson to Commerce..

c bob
news flash 'reagan died' they buried him already

Jack------jax jumped down my throat when i said that in indiana there was a gas station that was selling gas for 1.70 per gal---i/4 mile later another had it for 2.60 i know that in a free market you can put any price that you want too,,,,but where is the bs about that they operate on pennies on a gal---somtin aint right---right---and that is not even considering the morals of it

Chloe the future is not what a lot of people think it going to be,,,we have to stop messing around with mother nature cos she is a going to get pissed off ---and thar she blows-----cow dung is going to be a good source of energy

but we will have beams that will just have air in them that will support high rise buildings ---------

The book is called----The Book--on the taboo against knowing who you are,,,by alan watts----another goodie is----cows,pigs,wars, and witches,,,,,,,it is the book that im using to write the jesus misconceptions that we have---the true jesus----but after reading the first book you don't feel like i do about most things on this earth---why il--il--il eat noting but cow dung and budwieser ,,ha

Thanks Jack

Maybe it's all those fire works stands keeping prices low ?

Jamie-excellent bio on Lucy by Maria Bellonci. Highly recomended by me.

It's Sidwell Friends for Sasha and Malia. Same school as Chelsea as well as the Gore children

OSH,

I saw that schlussel piece a couple of weeks ago - I think maybe Gordo posted it (LOL). There is so much speculation involved in the article that I can't even tell you whether I think it's worth considering. I do know that the extensive "analysis" that underlay schlussel's conclusions that there may have been massive fraud in the production of that document is flawed by half at least. I can't spend any more time messing with this today - gotta leave (MX calls) but if you want to see an example of flawed logic, work your way through this:

"Since under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, Pub. L. No. 96-511, 94 Stat. 2812 (Dec. 11, 1980), codified in part at Subchapter I of Chapter 35 of Title 44 a federal agency can not use a form not approved by OMB (Office of Management and Budget), it's nearly impossible for Senator/President-Elect Obama's SSS Form 1 to be dated "Feb 1980." And since that makes it almost certainly dated "Feb 1990," then how could Barack Obama sign it and the postal clerk stamp it almost ten (10) years before its issue?! Simply not possible."

Note how it tries to suggest that the paperwork reduction act of 1980, a law passed after the date of the form, somehow proves the form could not have had the date it has. Pretty good law if it could have applied to and prevented the printing of a document dated 10 months before it was written dontchathink?

Now I have to go. Everyone have a good week.

mqw

Yep him and Franco, better get a memo off to the RNC.

Chloe---Sturg recommended looking out for number one-to me----i took a peak at it and will at some time in the future get it,,,i have to find who wrote it, if you want,,,but not in front of me right now

",we have to stop messing around with mother nature cos she is a going to get pissed off "

I know Solar. It was just a play on words because pat had made a joke about the recipe right before. Thanks for the name of the book again. :)

xrepublican -----------------

"Fathers don't give birth."

But they can pass on citizenship. That's what the Donofrio case is about. US citizen, not "natural" born citizen. To be "natural" born -- both parents MUST be US citizens and the birth must be on US soil, (That knocks out McCain. The Senate resolution does not "fix" his status as not "natural" born.)

Mother = American

Father = Kenyan (UK and Colonies Subject/National)

Child = Dual nationality/citizenship

mqw
Reagan's dead, and his economic theories are getting dirt thrown on them as we type.

Although both are going to need a wooden stake or two before we move on.

It was Robert Ringer Solar. But it's pretty dated now. It was a long time ago.

Obama is not a child.

phooey, pogo had to go just when he could have so colorfully explained the trickle down theory to us.

Pogo -
Stay away from the border, the Mexican Army has taken control of Tijuana.

Wasn't NAFTA going to fix all that ?

You catch the carp fresh from the stream.

Start a small hardwood fire on the stream bank. While fire is burning down to coals, fillet the carp.

Go to adjacent pasture and gather enough fresh cow dung to encase the carp fillets.

Lay the encased fillets on bed of coals for 5 minutes. Remove the wrapped fillets from fire. Remove dung from fillets.

Throw away the carp, and serve the dung with a side of fried cicadas.

[qrz forums]

"To be "natural" born -- both parents MUST be US citizens and the birth must be on US soil"

Gordo,

None of these laws has been tested.

Where is "natural born" defined (as you define it or anyway for that matter) in the Constitution, codified or in the courts?

Bail out money

Is your bank on this list
One of mine is ,BOA the other a regional bank isn't.
There are regional banks on the list.

http://projects.nytimes.com/creditcrisis/recipients/table

Jack

Sorry Gordo out for the nite.

Got tickets for Taj and headed out to see his annual Seattle gig. Have a good one all.

Go Sooners!

xrepublican -----------

The dual citizenship status at BIRTH is what causes both SoetorObama and McCain to not be classified as "natural" born.
-----------------------
Assume SoetorObama was born in HI:

Problem: Father not US citizen
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McCain born in Panama:

Problem: Not born on US soil

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Pat, There you go again. Roflol. You're going to get me in trouble with Solar. Solar, I'm not laughing at pats joke. Honest.

i don't know why anyone would think i'm a republican.
in fact sen clinton is the only politician i ever contributed money to' i don't agree with you so i' m republican'

pragmatic'' contrarian'' vegetarian 'agnostic' some labels that would fit

Gordo

both parents MUST be US citizens and the birth must be on US soil,

This is not true.

i'm going to have to change names anyway'
don't work on the motor vessel marquette warrior
anymore'''on the m/v golden eagle' GDE
or i could be fritz the republican

Here's a HINT for you Gordo

If both parents had to be US citizens, then the United States would not now have a problem with what are known as "anchor babies" and Congress would not be looking at the citizenship laws to see if there is a way to rewrite it so that those babies ARE NOT US citizens.

At my birth I was technically a holder of dual citizenship. If I had been packed off to Britain and was raised there, I would have been British. Since that didn't happen and I made no claim as an adult I am a US citizen and I have a passport as such. To get that passport I had to present my birth certificate that clearly states: Mother born in Oklahoma, Father born in Scotland.

Technically, I could still lay claim to British citizenship though there were changes in their laws in the 1960s having to do with children born during a group of years around WW II, but that probably don't apply to me. Never pursued it

So, believe anything you want to believe. Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.

GORDO: "The dual citizenship status at BIRTH is what causes both SoetorObama and McCain to not be classified as "natural" born."

Can you site the source for this assertion?

You said previously, "It’s the questions over Obama’s citizenship in this light that are important, for they deal with the fact that Obama is not a “natural born citizen” as defined in the United States Constitution. The framers of the Constitution made a clear distinction between “natural born Citizens” and all other Citizens."

But I see nothing in the Constitution that says anything like that.

Still, the Constitution has a lot of words. Please site the Article that defines "natural born citizen" either as you define it or otherwise.

Chloe----what are you laughing at padt is just messing with your head---she damn well knows that u have to have the dung dry in order to cook them carp---what she isn't telling u is that another use for the dung that u get over in the field, is that u can use them for bait to catch the carp-----now if u r not going to get serious than let me talk to cheyenne she know all about crap----not carp---crap----that 2nd book is by Marvin Harris----all this talk is making me hungry-----gonna order a pizza ---had enough of this shity talk----no more padt or ill forget u r a lady :-)))))))

Hillary joins with Patty Murray to try and block Bush's new HHS rulings:

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/hillary-clinton-and-patty-murray-introd

Padt

Solar---and Chole--- are out just fishing for carp quietly and drinking beer. Solar went to get the cow dung, then sat down agin,,,and
Almost silently, so as not to scare the fish, Solar says,
'I think I'm gonna divorce my wife. She hasn't spoken to me in over 2
months.'
Chole continues slowly sipping her beer then thoughtfully says,
'You better think it over, solar Women like that are hard to find.'

Padt

Solar-- and Chole--- are out just fishing quietly and drinking beer. Solar goes to get the cow dung for the fire,,then sits down again

Almost silently, so as not to scare the fish, solarsays,
'I think I'm gonna divorce my wife. She hasn't spoken to me in over 2
months.'
Cholw--continues slowly sipping her beer then thoughtfully says,
'You better think it over, Bob. Women like that are hard to find.'

The husband of a friend of mine from high school died on Sunday after a 2 year battle with cancer. I believe he was around my age. I found out through Facebook this morning. My friend has 3 small children at home. Sad news.

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lmao Solar. I'm outa here. You two have tired me out.
(It must be all that beer).

From TD Blog
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Dual Citizenship Makes Obama Ineligible Under Article II
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"So, at long last, Senator Obama admits that he was born with Dual Citizenship:

From “Fight the Smears”:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
--------------------------
"In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a “Naturalized Citizen” because they have/had Divided Allegiance.

So, the Senator WAS a Dual National. That is now an admitted fact, admitted by his own Campaign and by Annenberg. The Senator is a Constitutional Lawyer which means that he knows, and has always known, that he is probably Ineligible to Hold the Office of POTUS, or that, at the very least, there is a strong Legal Argument that that is the case."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/breaking-obama-admits-dual-citizenship/

Corey- So sorry.

The Obama Family holiday Greeting

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1348330398?bctid=1349141721

Parents do not necessarily pass citizenship. Use of the word 'can' is misleading.

2. Obama is not a child;
3. his father did not bear him;
4. the legal definition of "natural born" is not that a child's parents are citizens (jus sanguinaris) and never has been;
5. Lolo Soetoro did not have the power to bestow citizenship;
6. donofrio, berg, robinson, and hollander have all failed to disclose any evidence that Obama was not a natural born citizen.

There are no cases; there is no case.

Gordo

All that proves is that TD is a nuts as you are. That interpretation regarding children with parents of different nationalities or for that matter parents without American citizenship at all. (i.e. the Anchor Babies)

The child was born on US soil. As such, he was a natural born citizen of the US. As an adult, he would have to right to petition the government of Great Britain to recognize him as a citizen as well if he wanted to do so. He did not. Therefor the place of birth takes precedence.

xrepublican------------------

"Lolo Soetoro did not have the power to bestow citizenship"

The Donofrio case does not involve Lolo Soetoro or Indonesia, It's all about BHO Sr not being a US citizen.

The child at BIRTH had dual citizenship.

Sturge -- have you checked your Garden & Guns this month? Great guide to Southern eats....including "Praise the Lard Biscuits."

http://gardenandgun.com/stories/features/____southern_foods_you_absolutely__positively_must_try_before_you_die-183#1

Patsi-----that catfish and pork, looks great,but after looking at the rest---they all look very tempting!

Solar -- it made me want to go to Savannah for some soft shell crab....no matter what restaurant. Just reminded me of one day a few years back at an outdoor cafe on the waterfront....

Gordo

"Natural Born Citizen" and "Dual Citizenship" are not muutally exclusive.

One can be natural born (birth takes place on the soil of the United States) and then have additional citizenship possibilities based on the parent (One or both parents of a different nationality).

Jamie -- Did you hear Ziggy Brzezinski opining on David Gregory's show that Hillary as SOS will be fine as long as she lets Biden and the Generals do the thinking for her.

Didn't like Zig then, like him less now.

Patsi---no one here but you and me---i like to tickle u--so here

I rear-ended a car this morning.

So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the
other driver got out of his car.

You know how sometimes you just get soooo stressed and
little things just seem funny?

Yeah, well I couldn't believe it.... He was a DWARF!!!

He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted,
'I AM NOT HAPPY!!!'

So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well, then which one
are you?'

AND THAT OFFICER, IS HOW THE FIGHT STARTED.................
**********************************

Solar....
he must have been GRUMPY!

you are toooooo much today....... ROFL!

From Leo Donofrio's site:

"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President"

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

And the worst part is, I believed you when you started that story, Solar!!!!!!!

RR----hello---been enjoying your post, as always, lots of luck with the scarfs--------------now this is serious ok----------

Here in chicagoridge il it is getting a lit cold too early,,,and i think that it will be very cold this winter,,,especially around January-----Can you make me a pair to turtle neck jokey shorts???a one size fits all type of thing.....thanks ahead of time.

Solar....
suuuuuure..... I'll do your's and champ's stuff at the same time...... :0)

BTW...... it's gotten too cold here too soon also....
but that's good news for me!.....

Ok --im stopping--- all that jesus posting got me in a little serious mood and i had to vent some---back to somber, mode, but its fridaynight,and anything can happen -

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Solar
Don't you dare change your style,this lunch bucket type enjoys your posts just like they are.....Easy to understand...Thank you very much...Your a riot today..Cow shit and all....Ha

Just one more cow patty.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpapdB-bCFI

Patsi....thanks for the mag link...........I had not read it yet......

Colorado Bob - now that you've been here for two days in a row, does that mean you're staying? Obviously we all hope so.

I am of two minds about whether Hillary should stay in the senate, but will be happy for her to just be around. If this is ineed a trap set up by Obama, it will label him and I think he knows enough to not want that.

I think the hopes for his admin might be a little too high but the expectations are not too high. I think people know how bad things are and will be patient. The most important thing is that they see him WORKING!
He is obviously doing that and that's helping a little already.

I notice that, like his father, w has more or less gone to ground - we see film of him going places, but he's really in a 'bunker mentality' and quietly issuing all sorts of directives. Remember how poppa looked as if he didn't want to confront his problems? He almost hid.

That's how I found out my little sister was a liberal. We were watching him scurry into the White House and she said, "He's gonna have to show his face and say something or he's gone."

Brznski - little creep. Add to that, look at the daughter he has saddled us with.

Interesting discussions on two sides - CNN with Borger, Milbank, and Hayes, and msnbc with Gregory and McMahon and Murphy.

McMahon said the funny thing about the cabinet picks was where are all the Irish guys?

It's not cold here and it's dry - grrrrr.

KGC - tell me about the no wood fires on winter spare the air days the details - please, and thank you ahead of time.

Sturg-----i love the smukers brother's,,,they r so unfunny that they are hilarious--------got some good news today on those houses----took some positive steps forward-----baby steps but positive ones,,,,,,,wish it was spring already.

yup.....hard to beat a good brother smothers for funny........

off to play a crab crack.....y'all get some music loaded up........

and NO MORE hazelnut coffee.........

Just in case you were watching an American News program and missed what was really happening in the world. Here is what you would have gotten from BBC America in one hour:

Obama Cabinet Appointments . 4 min

Stock market upheaval - 3 min

Auto Industry - American and Japan - 2 min

In depth review of conditions in Iraq, Status of forces agreement, Several commentators on different aspects. - 8 min

Russian security force torture of Muslims in Ossetia - 6 minutes

Tibet - Summit of exiles called by Dalai Lama - Discussion of Tibetan autonomy and negotiations with China - 3 min

Reopening of National Museum of American History in DC - Colin Powell reading Gettysburg address - 5 minutes

Google earth view of ancient Rome - 3 Min.

Vladimir Nabokov final work - Laura to be Published after 30 years - 2 min.

Bush final overseas trip to Peru for summit - 4 min

Oddest Videos of the week - Very funny - 116 people wearing underwear in London, fat cats, dominoes world record, over 4 million, Croatia bans Christmas too expensive - Australian locusts - zero star hotel - brussle sprout festival - loss of tool kit on space station - knitting for chickens -

Not one picture of Palin or headless turkeys and nobody yelled at or talked over anyone.

"Brznski - little creep. Add to that, look at the daughter he has saddled us with."

Bethy
Indeed! Your a riot too! Ha

In case your cable service doesn't offer BBC America you can watch the broadcasts here:

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/329/index.jsp

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Patsi,

I caught him. I'm no fan of Ziggy either unless the surname is Stardust.

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Gordo,

Sometimes I think I should just issue you an ":Oh Duh!" sticker. Prior to the Declaration of Independence there was no United States of America. Once the Revolutionary war was won and the Constitution written there was a United States of America. They were grandfathered in because they were born in the country but as subjects of Britain.

Once the country existed, every child born on American soil is a natural born citizen. Their parents could be illegal alien green martians with orange and purple eye stalks and the baby would be a "Natural Born American"

" notice that, like his father, w has more or less gone to ground "

Good point, Bethy....and I don't think he even gets that he has damaged the country to such an astonishing level, or that he destroyed his own damned political party.

C-Bob, re: Bethy's post....IF you take another extensive break, you better tell us. Because I am NOT attending another of your funerals!

" I'm no fan of Ziggy either unless the surname is Stardust."

HA!!! Exactly.

From Leo Donofrio's site:

"The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States."

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

Tomorrow is the 45th anniversary of the Kennedy Assassination. I did a reprint of an article that my son and I did about that year if anyone would like to read it.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

Gordo

That website looks like something that would have been produced by a schizophrenic in the middle of a psychotic break.

Your statement is comepletely wrong. Every single day, infants are born in this country whose parents are not Americans. Those infants are "natural born citizens" of the United States despite the fact that their parents are not citizens.

If the parents take the baby back to their home country, said child could still come back here with the American birth certificate and claim citizenship.

There are scads of cases currently in the courts where parents of other nationalities seek residence here based on being the parents of a "natural born citizen".

The President Elect of the United States, Barack Obama, is a natural born citizen of the United States and is fully entitled to assume that office no matter how many times you claim that he isn't.

you know that the world is in dire straits when NBC has had to fire the two stars of Days of Our Lives because of budget shortfalls. Deidre Hall (Marlena) and Drake Hogestyn (John) were fired on Wednesday. Falling ratings have plagued soaps since the bullies at the news departments kept pre-empting them for the ridiculous O.J. Simpson trial fiasco. What happened was people got used to not watching anymore and suddenly realized they were just fine without the shows. The news programmers right to interrupt entertainment programs at will has always been a sore spot for soap fans and ultimately the actions of news departments began the deep downward spiral in viewers and loyalty.

GORDO,

Bad news !

President Chester A. Arthur, was born to a Vermont born mother, but an Irish born Canadian father. There have been rumors since the 1880 election that Chester was himself born in Canada, where his parents owned and worked a farm. Arthur's father was not a US citizen at the time of Arthur's birth. Therefore, precedent stands against you and your pals on all points.

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I don't think Jimmy Carter is doing that ... he has always shown himself to be balanced. Look back at the Camp David accords. Jimmy Carter is an expert on that region

"NBC has had to fire the two stars of Days of Our Lives because of budget shortfalls"

NBC is busy setting up turkey photo ops. They could care less about anything but their own brand of reality tv. (Keep in mind, Tom -- this is the crowd that cheerleaded us into Iraq so as to pump up GE war machine coffers.)

ET-isn't it really early or really late where you are?

Come on, Tom -- I've seen you jump into the fray with both feet. You can't have it both ways. And if this is to be only a sweetness and light place, lets just call a halt to any intelligence on anyone's part.

This country was founded on dissent and often radical disagreement. Surely you don't think the Founders were a Kumbaya crowd?

Rosie it's 3:30 am here. I should have been asleep HOURS ago. I was watching MEET THE PARENTS on BBC 1 and then got distracted online...

Patsi, NBC cancelled what I would argue was the best daytime drama ever... ANOTHER WORLD. When AW was cancelled in 1999, because it hadn't "youth-a-fied enough, I knew that daytime was in trouble. Of course one main reason for the demise of the genre is the aftermath of constantly pre-empting the shows by the news department to cover the O.J. Simpson trial fiasco. What happened during this time is simple: viewers went long without their shows and suddenly realized they were getting along quite fine without them. A large percentage never returned.

Oh and as of AW not "youth-a-fied", the show that survived was body beautiful SUNSET BEACH (but only for 6 more months). Then James Reilly's gothic soap PASSIONS. Both are now gone and also carried lower ratings than AW.

Of course NBC is the network that gave us the cancellation of Star Trek in 1969.

You are ALL wrong. POTUS is a very special situation.

Am listening to a netcast as I post -- might be more news about this in a few days (SCOTUS).

Patsi I'm not saying that. I agree with disagreeing... and even with some sharp and witty arguments. I just meant that in the moment of this discovery, it seemed we mostly stopped and were celebrating. Even then, the paranoic obsessor was still posting the shit. Trying to reason with someone who is obsessed about the President-elect's immaculate birth seems futile. I say "shun".

"Shunning is the act of deliberately avoiding association with, and habitually keeping away from an individual or group."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning

Actually I think Jamie once suggested shunning some time back. I don't remember the context...

And Patsi when I read Tom Williams attack on Hillary I was ready to fire up the keyboard and have at him with both hands. I decided to ignore him but was sure glad when you made your comment !!

Oh yeah, Chloe and I are buds now !!! xoxoxoxoxo x

I agree with Jamie.

I find it difficult not to expose the outright lies GORDO and his mentors spew about Senator Obama, the circumstances of his birth, his name, his religion, the US Constitution, the Rules of Federal Court (especially the rules of evidence and standing), Supreme Court procedure, and definitions of legal terms.

These people have no decency, whatsoever.

"Of course NBC is the network that gave us the cancellation of Star Trek in 1969."

Now THAT was an indictable case, Tom! :)

Sorry -- Tom, I know very little about the soaps. I did watch Dark Shadows in college -- and later, some General Hospital after I met and became a friend of the wonderful Emily McLaughlin.

ET----Chole is not buds with anybody-------she is too busy laughing at Padt's jokes-------ifin u ask me it''s all a little fishy,,,somtin stinks??????? i promise thats the last one,,,,just don't feed me any lines

It's friday night-----so set em up joe----one for my baby,, and one for the ditch!!!!!

Gordo

Any natural born citizen of the United States can grow up to be POTUS. There is no requirement other than that citizenship and being over the age of 35

That's it. Barack Obama qualifies.

Argue with Leo Donofrio. Some of you seem worried. Donofrio is on a netcast now. Will be another one in 20 minutes.

"Even then, the paranoic obsessor was still posting the shit. Trying to reason with someone who is obsessed about the President-elect's immaculate birth seems futile. I say "shun".

Won't disagree there, Tom -- although I understand why people sometimes just "haffta take a shot" back at his wacko stuff. He's paranoid and delusional. We should watch our backs!

POTUS may be a special situation, but you cannot get around the fact that President Arthur was born to a subject of the British Crown - exactly the same situation you and your crowd attribute to Obama's birth.

Chester Alan Arthur was the President of the US from 1881 -1885. A million citizens witnessed the fact. You can look it up.

Gordo, I won't even try to reason with you like Jamie does. I'll just say these two words: ig and nert.

Brznski always had an attitude that was spoiling for a fight, to me. I wondered what Carter saw in him as he was so confrontational. Now I'm kinda wondering if maybe Carter is more confrontational than he seemed to be. I never voted for him but have not been a particular critic of him, but am beginning to think he's is over-impressed with himself - a tad self-righteous. Maybe he is acting a little superior...?....

His book which apparently was pretty pro-palestinian was a revelation to a lot of people. Personally I can feel the plight of the palestinians, but terrorism is not the way to showcase your grievances - I think we all agree with that. Suicide bombers are terrorists. They can kill or they can talk - it's their choice.

Mika's silly behaviour and her tin ear for conversational
give-and-take might give us a clue to what kind of father her dad was. That woman has serious inter-personal problems.

Michael Steele on Fox being pretty doggone partisan talking to Dick 'Ick" Morris - surprisingly so.

You are WRONG again !!!

Plus, Gordo -- You can flap all you want. Obama's mother was an American citizen. SO HE IS AS WELL. I gave birth in a foreign country. So I know this shit. End of story.

Jonathan Turley discussing blanket pardons that might be issued by Bush.

The whole Justice Department maybe?

Did anyone challange Chester Alan Arthur ?

So what? He slipped through. A mistake was made.

"Obama's mother was an American citizen. SO HE IS AS WELL."

But NOT "natural" born. Even if he was born on US soil, he is not eligible for POTUS because he was born with dual citizenship

Speaking of pardons....while people moaned about the Rich pardon, why no outcry (except for a minimal amount of snitting) over the Granddaddy of all pardons (and no, I don't mean Nixon) --

Bush the Elder's pardon of Caspar Weinberger -- just before Weinberger might testify about Bush's culpability in Iran Contra.

Opponents tried to keep Arthur off the ticket. The fact of his birth was widely used to discredit the ticket.

Hancock and English lost by 7,018 votes out of 9. 25 million cast.

he is not eligible for POTUS because he was born with dual citizenship

Gordo, That just isn't TRUE. You can keep saying it from now until doomsday. Fly it on a flag, have a banner pulled by a blimp or have it tattood on your commodius behind. It still isn't true.

There is no term 'slipped through' in American law. There are statutes and there are precedents. The SC is loath to upset precents without compelling reasons.

The arguments of donofrio, berg, robinson, and hollander have not been compelling, because their claims are unsubstantiated. Besides, the petitioners have no legal standing to sue in these matters. The term for such actions is 'frivolous.'

Grow up and get an education.

Well, Ed -- I am very interested in just how I might be equated with Gordo. Be specific, use examples.

Oh, sorry Ed -- I just re-read it. I am worse than Gordo. Fascinating.

Patsi

I think Ed is referring to the sometimes blistering fights during primary season.

None of you will admit it, but you are VERY worried about Donofrio's argument. You KNOW he is is correct. Will SCOTUS justices have the backbone to defend the Constitution?

Weinberger pardoned because his wife got sick and died.

Why not a pardon for scott peterson ? Didn't she die of water on the lung ?

What about that poor smith gal from South Carolina whose children drowned in the car ?

I think Ed is (Yawn)

Well, I'd like to hear Ed's response. With specifics.

"Weinberger pardoned because his wife got sick and died. "

Nope -- because he could have hanged Bush.

Patsi----i remember now---ed is upset cos u used the c--- word in describing the way that McCain used it ,,,it is the third time that she brought it up

Betty -
I'll make some sort of arrangement when my obit hit's the paper.

GORDO -
I'm sorry you have such a small world, and that it's closing in on you.

Eddy Grant - Electric Avenue ~high quality sound~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyJ9NSs8rYE

"Donofrio"

Here's your real problem, Gordo. Since I don't read most of what you say -- I don't even know who you are talking about.

"Will SCOTUS justices have the backbone to defend the Constitution? "

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL

Solar -- Is Ed a woman? If so, we have a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome.

What she does not say is that u never called anyone that u said it out of disgust---i do remember it that way

not sure patsi---just my feeling---yes cos of the way she was upset by it---i do believe so

Time for me to check out. Have a nice evening folks.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/clinton-should-stay-in-the-sen.html#comment-176066

sez youse

I once thought that the posts of a certain person were intersting but wrong-headed. Over time, they stopped asking questions and began to twist language to shamelessly insinuate criminal activity on the part of a certain Senator. Then that person began to tell outright lies about that Senator and about US law. Being mistaken is one thing, but having been corrected by lawyers in this band, and directed on where to find valid information, that person chose to continue telling lies.

Frankly, I don't feel chastened, EdVB. I don't see anything wrong with insulting one who intentionally defames another, and more honorable person. If that person doesn't want to be attacked, he need only quit defaming that honest man.

Regarding the assesment that people who post here are afraid, it doesn't take much research into past posts to see that no one here is afraid or has ever been afraid of you or your type of smear.

"Since I don't read most of what you say -- I don't even know who you are talking about."

Donofrio is a lawyer. professional card player and artist.

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

(His site has been under attack -- so may be down.)

Sturg -

Work this into your playlist :

Paul Butterfield Blues Band -Walking Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJRGoksLBgg

"Time for me to check out. "

Same here.

But one last thing -- I used the "c-word" in a direct quote as to the ugliness on the internet. So shoot me for being pissed about it. Maybe we should just ignore all that....

Patsi,

I think the thing senile bush feared worst was the truth about the deal he made late in 1979 with the Iranians at a meeting in Spain.

Next would be george's relationships with panamanian drug czar, manuel noriega, the Cali cartel, and a terrorist (whose name escapes me) who placed bombs on a plane and a boat heading to Cuba from Caracas. Anything else ?

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - East-West - East-West (1of2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJRGoksLBgg

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - East-West - East-West (2of2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-eMUir3QXI

Mike Bloomfield at perhaps his peak, with Elvin Bishop playing rhythm guitar. The song is about jumping freight trains. The violence, the power the noise,the steel rhythms, the beauty, the world flying by.
It's 13 min long.

sounds like that movie with lee marvin----hobo---king of the hobos ??

Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmuLX2Lvknk

Then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man came singing songs of love.

My son is a pretty good musician ---guitars, drums, piano, loves blues----gonna see if i can stump em with, the paul butterfield blues band---thanks---night

Emperor of the North

Solar -
Let me know if he's hep to them. They'll turn his head if he ain't.

Donovan - Hey Gyp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LNCDVGIBMc

MN recount 61 % complete - about 900 challenged votes counted so far.

norm coleman leads al franken by 115 votes. It looks as though cheney's protege might squeak through.

lotsa numbers-crunchin' on this blog...me? I agree with TODD SNIDER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMQdtyot38s&feature=related

Emperor of the north---yes---had a lot of mixed feeling watching that one-----i will cb----i was watching a cuban movie the other night----lot of music that one can feel right thru the tube

Falling asleep. G'night.

xr really agree with your 11:06 post

Hi Colorado Bob, glad to see you are still around. I am the agent provocateur formerly known as Dexter, until one day Dexter ceased to be recognized and I decided to honor our 36th President of the USA. And so came to be DexterJohnson, supporter to the bitter end of the campaign of Dennis Kucinich.
I am a knarled individual...even after the video of Sarah and Cleef the Turkey Killer, I am still going for that drumstick come Thursday.

Donovan - Barabajagal -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEPcQdHFaY

Donovan - The Trip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJc9JKpCRVY

Dex -
Take heart in a future world Dennis will be president of Middle Earth.

Donovan- Sunny goodge street

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0V5dKseRW0

Donovan - Season of the Witch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92HjH1GG3ro

You've got to pick-up every sitch

AL KOOPER-STEVE STILLS : IT TAKES A LOT TO LAUGH, IT TAKES A TRAIN TO CRY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGZyl_aUMjU

we'll see what's in the stars for Dennis Kucinich...
People seem tohave forgotten about Moqtada al-Sadr the past three years, but it is his followers who are demonstrating against the USA presence in Iraq these past few days.
Richard Engel explained the situation tonight on with Rachel Maddow...soon it will be illegal for USA troops to go on military missions in Iraq..they will be confined to bases in Iraq and can only fire weapons in cases of extreme self-defense...or be charged as criminals in Iraqi courts if they simply shoot people aggressively. The first few months of Obama's policies regarding Iraq, the whole mission, will be interesting...but USA citizens will be tuning out...they have had it with Iraq.
It truly is time to cut and run, but we ain't going nowhere...not for months, if then.
Why we are staying as long as possible seems lie insanity to me...but what else is new with this war?

R.I.P. JFK...November 22, 1963
November 22, 2008.

"Stop" Al Kooper & Mike Bloomfield (Super Session)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMf-86Evro

Here's a song for this date Dex -

Rain Drops - Dee Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz40bE9a12Q

Clyde McPhatter - A Lover's Question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frml7FAMFtg

More proof of just how far corporations have screwed up music in this country. Clyde would never get a deal these days.

The Shadows - Apache

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY-rPDwzM9M

Music to go to the snack bar by , be sure to put your speakers back on the rack when you leave the drive - in.

The Tornados - Telstar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQYxqBxJjQ

Pat Benatar - Everybody Lay Down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCsrbUiFzQI

OH HURT ME NANCY -

bebe Le Strange

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKRAxmEaL6M

Google Images has released a whole bunch of digital photos of Marilyn Monroe...sweeter memories of the Camelot Years, The Seedy Side...here's a Camelot-era photo..but look at page one of this bunch...excellent photos..
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=5bf4e1cb1c46748c&q=marilyn+monroe+source:life&usg=__WhVw8Hbe_dulf6BKZHwkxzf55xM=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmarilyn%2Bmonroe%2Bsource:life%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

The Shadows of Night - Gloria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eR2g701oEg

Jesus Christ! I never thought I'd see these guys again:
THE ORIGINAL CASCADES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGiaEKkrOaA&feature=related

CC Rider / Jenny Jenny - Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2oxMfHtdLc

mitch ryder & the detroit wheels - little latin lupe lu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BEd56vuGE0

Dex -

They're not dead yet either. In fact they sound pretty good.

The Ventures "Walk Don't Run" 1960

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ11y7pYl-8

Willie Nelson - Midnight Rider

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8xC73_LY8

Chuck Berry - You Can't Catch Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvTZAg0H17w

Chuck Berry - Nadine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMJzMiiRWfc

I saw her from the corner when she turned and doubled back
And started walkin toward a coffee colored cadillac
Pushin through the crowd to get to where shes at
And campaign shouting like a Georgia Democrat

Elvis Presley Mystery Train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt5lznvz9iE

Elvis Presley That's All Right (Mama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjWnkmfldB0

Back to grim reality -

Looks like Bush is really trying to get Osama before he goes. These things have been slammin' in every other day it seems -

At least three people have been killed in a suspected US missile strike on a tribal district in north-west Pakistan, security officials have said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7743303.stm

Grim Reality 2.0 -

Florida boy's suicide live on web

A teenager in the US state of Florida has committed suicide in front of a live internet audience.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7743214.stm

funky teenagers doing the twist on TCM movie channel........"Monster a-go-go"

.......FINCK'S.....
"Detroit-Special"
.......Overalls.......

.....Wear Like.....
....A Pig's Nose...

TRY A PAIR
The Man who Thinks
Invests in FINCK'S

(union made)

How about Sleepwalking?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxTQXAgY3Q

How was the gig Sturg ?

In 1969 in my 1960 white pony-ack bonneville I had 3 eight-track tapes........they were Joe Cocker......Bob Dylan and DONOVAN

and thanks for the butterfields

It was so crowded they couldnt laugh "ha ha ha"........they had to laugh "Ho ho ho".......

Dead or alive, by golly-ned! I have complete faith Bush will smoke 'em out of their holes!
You betcha!
I would love to stick that bastard bin Laden's head in that turkey beheader-bleeder funnel-deal that Sarah Palin posed in front of.
I'd hire this guy http://thumbs.fliqz.com/965bf7b00ada4c898b18e2089a749170.jpg

to stuff bin Laden in head first! Ths guy in the picture in the link is from "Fargo"...he wood-chipped Steve Buscemi ion the movie.

ho ho ho sturgee!

Bow -
Hard to believe that was done "live" and not synced , I'm amazed how much really old stuff was sitting in people's closets.

The best football game of the year is tonight, and the Tech kicker has the best football story -

" Williams entered a drawing for a chance to attempt a 30-yard field goal between the third and fourth quarters of Texas Tech's home game with Massachusetts on Sept. 20.

The former high school kicker, who was briefly on the team at Division II Tarleton State but never played in a game, drilled the ball between the uprights, winning, he thought, a year of free rent at Lynnwood Townhomes in Lubbock. .........................

Williams dropped in on a historic Red Raiders season at just the right time. Before him, Tech missed four field goals and six extra points – mistakes that can make the difference in high-stakes games. "

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/112208dnspotechkicker.3e801d3.html

ate crab and oyster and played a buncha off-the-walls.....3 piece, guitar bass and drum.......don williams, haggard, ventures, hank, hank jr, george jones, Big Al Downing, Drifters, Tams, Dylan, Hully Gully Olympics, Coasters, John Prine, Jimmy Reed......Wicked Pickett, Arthur Alexander.......
Sam the Sham
Maurice Williams
Lee Dorsey Willie Waylon Dave Dudley and Bob Wills
the road goes ever on and on
out from the door where it began
now far ahead the road has gone
and I must follow if i can
pursuing it with eager feet
until it meets some larger way
where many paths and errands meet
and whither then? I cannot say

except for the pizza and one more beer part......

Dexter -

That guy was "Slippery Pete" in a Seinfled as well. He helped George rig the Frogger machine.

I am away.......thanks for the "further" musics........it took me awhile to get to the end of the thread.....lol

"...and all for just a little bit of money."...Margie, Fargo, with wood-chipper dude shackled in her prowler's back seat.

"Norm made me eggs."

Nighty night young troubadour.

colorado bob...why doncha make a bolo tie for Craig Crawford from a molted tooth? That scorpion tie played well on TeeVee for CC.

Senor Horsedooty made fun of me cuz in Indiana where I was reared we called a bolo tie a "string tie".
Now I know what a string tie is as well as a bolo tie.

OK, boppers...gonna get a bit o' shut eye...our big regional football game is in 9 hours...Michigan v. Ohio State.
I am an M fan, we have won but 3 games this year...uh oh...this may get ugly fast....

This was from the Reader's Digest article on Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. It was from a letter Joe Kennedy wrote to a friend after his son had died after brain surgery. This was after Joe Kennedy had lost 2 of his own children, but before the deaths of JFK and RFK.

Dear Jack-

There are no words to dispel your feelings at this time, and there is no time that will ever dispel them. Nor is it any easier the second time than it was the first. And yet I cannot share your grief, because no one could share mine. When one of your children goes out of your life, you think of what he might have done with a few more years and you wonder what you are going to do with the rest of yours. You never really accept it; you just go through the motions. Then one day, because there is a world to be lived in, you find yourself a part of it again, trying to accomplish something--something that he did not have time enough to do. And, perhaps, that is the reason for it all. I hope so.

Sincerely, Joe

Here is the full article. Is it a bit sad.

http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/kathleen-kennedy-townsend-looks-beyond-tragedy/article102047.html

Dexter, I am a Michigan fan as well. I feel your pain. But, Go Blue!

Here's why the Tech / OU game will be great :

Tech has avoided big mistakes in the passing game. In 10 games, quarterback Graham Harrell has thrown only five interceptions in 463 attempts.

Dex -
Because old hippie teeth don't have the same charm as scorpions D J.

If I was a walrus it might work.

See this is charming -

The Beatles - I Am The Walrus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOKvonLrH8

Coo Coo Ca Joo

C-Bob, what is your web site?

tt

Hey Tip -

I was wondering where you were . Need that proof of life -

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/coloradobob/robertchapman_4.gif

You beg the question......

WTH have you been??

tt

Craig dedicated this to C-Bob, where ever you were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hQLI5nkHFI

tt

Well it's kinda like this Tip, I've had my hands full misery and sickness , between my 60 year old pill head sister, myself, and my 85 year old father, and if I still owned a pistol I would have blown the back of my head off. But that would leave them to the mercy of this tender world.

Any more questions ?

Well, C-Bob, we're very glad you didn't do THAT!

I'm both pissed & relieved. Now I'm feeling like your mother.

: - (

; - )

I think that about covers it.

tt

No, *sigh*, I'm just the nosy neighbor.

tt

i guess ya'll do know they have made some music
since the year 1972
plenty of good music now if you get away from
top 40 crap

I listened to the video on your web site months ago, and it sounded like you were on your very last leg.

You sound more chipper now. It's a good thing.

tt

A work associate told me, back in my early 20's, that if you're nice to some people, they just think you're stupid. I think I've spent the rest of my life trying to prove that she was right. Around and around we go and we keep ending up in the same place.

I don't know how many people saw it, but right before Champ left, someone told him that he could hand it out, but told him he had a glass jaw. Champ told that poster that what bothered him was that the other poster took so much glee in seeing it broken. That's the lesson Champ left me with. I hope I don't spend the rest of my life trying to prove him right too.

Throw that against the wall.
The straw that broke the camel's back.

seems the palin 'turkey' video has cause quit a stir
don't people know you have to cut their heads off and
pluck 'em before you eat them

cannibals don't care about that rule mqw.

might be a good lesson for this new xbox generation
they don't even realize that whopper they're eating
was once a living ' breathing animal
before they knocked in the head with a sledge and sliced its throat

Don't realize, or don't care?

cloe
i'm sure they don't care' should pass a new rule
you have to kill what you eat'' there would be a massive outbreak of vegetarians

Good idea mqw, but I don't think it would work. :)

mqw, Do you think we're being too hard on them?

what the turkeys or the kids

The people

mqw,
just so you know, we're talking about 2 different things.
nite.

just trying to stir up trouble this morning
about to get busy
coming down on vicksburg bridges

"In its 61 years as the nation’s premier intelligence outfit, the CIA has had 18 directors, only one of them a real spy....
Barack Obama should give serious consideration to finding another spy to take over now, someone who really knows the business."

[cq politics' last night " what obama needs is a real spy to take over at the cia"]

valerie plane is/was a real spy and she needs a job

and she's a heckava lot easier to look at then tenet... now hayden ain't so bad if you like that up-tight look; but valerie's also got her hunky husband.

btw, we haven't heard from our trail mix so cal contingent lately... since the fires.... are they/you okay?
miss that golden cal take on things.

and where's oregon dem? miss you too. specially with the hrc sos talk now.

patsi, your daily pirate fix
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/22/piracy-somalia

patsi, another one... 1st was from a pirate's angle, this from a capt's:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/22/piracy-somalia-greece-captain

boy, everybody must be sleeping in today. wake up ye scurvy dogs! on deck.... there's swabbing to do!

Patd

Here is your daily pyrite fix

http://www.3dchem.com/molecules.asp?ID=153

Patd@6:53

Gen Hayden is about as close as you're going to get at having a real spy with the requisite management experience. Understand, most real spies are poor slobs who are caught up in events--they are most likely not American nationals. And, for obvious reasons, their knowledge about ongoing programs is minimized.

It would certainly be good having operations-types in charge of operations. It's just really important that we understand their agendas before appointing them.

Jack, by market close, Stinky decided BRK wasn't so bad after all. :)

Flatus

I bet not, BRK ha a good day, yours better than mine.

Jack

EdVB's comment supporting our resident net kook was silly. About what one would expect from a late friday night drive by.

A couple of Advils always make the Saturday after such a Fridaynight tolerable.

Jack

flatus, i agree that it needs to be someone who can deal with the bureaucracy and was just being facetious about plame. here's more from the stein thread re hayden:
“He is good at budgets and long-term planning, but when it comes to putting someone in al Qaeda’s inner circle, he has no understanding of that,” says Faddis, who led a CIA team into northern Iraq in 2002, only to watch a local al Qaeda cell slip away while Pentagon bureaucrats dithered. (A top former aide to then-Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld disputes the charge.)

Hayden and his predecessors went along with fanciful, risky notions about torturing al Qaeda captives into meaningful confessions, Faddis and many other agency veterans say, but not long shot operations to get close to Osama bin Laden that might have flopped and embarrassed the agency.

"Well said, on many counts."

you always find a way to stick it to somebody.

Bethyboo

Did you get a warning ticket? I'll be curious to see what they do out in West County...a lot of people here depend on wood.

"When our morning forecast predicts unhealthy particulate matter concentrations, the Air District will issue a Winter Spare the Air Alert. Winter Spare the Air Alerts will be posted on our Spare the Air home page and on the Air District’s www.baaqmd.gov home page. It will also be recorded at 1-877-4NO-BURN. Residents and businesses can sign up for e-mail AirAlerts and automatic Phone Alerts as well, so they can “check before you burn.”
http://www.sparetheair.org/

lol

The wife is home and demanding attention. She was on the road all week.

Keep the bandages handy to soak up the blood. I look in later.

Jack

Hi Dog,

Thank you. I don't blame people for wanting to shun Gordo. I was just stating things as I saw them. Someone later spoke of the harm Gordo's lies cause.

I'm all for correcting mis-statements of fact, but I'm against personal attacks. I thought about being more generic in speaking of offending posts, but felt it would be more honest to name the two people I had in mind.

clones

"Weinberger pardoned because his wife got sick and died. " Nope -- because he could have hanged Bush.
[patsi last night]
same with cheney, as hang-or and hang-ee

"our resident net kook"
jack, we only have one?

Patd -- Maybe each freighter should be accompanied by a smaller, faster ship quipped with waepons. Flatus, would that work?

patsi, read something along those lines a couple of days ago that made me think of flatus' advice.... seems like it was what the indian navy was trying.
flatus, are you free lancing now?

"I'm against personal attacks. I thought about being more generic in speaking of offending posts, but felt it would be more honest to name the two people I had in mind."

ROFL...Objecting to personal by getting personal. That flapping sound is the irony flying over....

Patd, no one in my circle tortured. We did make people fear for their lives. That was effective. I would have to read the _exact_ context in which any professional intelligence person, including the Director, would advocate torture. If there is such a circumstance, then the individuals doing it must absolutely understand that, if they are tried for war crimes, that their chain-of-command will be in the dock with them. That chain includes the director and the president.

Before we lay too much responsibility for ill-considered acts on Hayden, I would want to look at the time-line of who did what when.

So far as I can tell, Hayden is the right person of those I'm aware of. There are certainly many personalities of whom I have little knowledge.

"flatus, are you free lancing now?"

No, Patd, I'm completely retired.

Anon postings are ok ...as long as they agree with the post

lolololololololol

Pogo and Jamie are kidding themselves that it is back to square one.

Dog,

I'm not deluding myself that we have returned to that sunshine place, if only because such places only exist in memory. Still, it was better, funnier, and kinder than it is now, but we are trying and some of the old hands are putting in an appearance.

You cannot recapture innocence or specific combinations of time, place, and people which was the real meaning of Gertrude Stein's "There's no there there" when she returned to her home town after a long absence.

I just hope we can create something new with its own wonderful qualities.

Dog,

Cold, clear and breezy in my part of upstate NY today.

Patsi,

If you feel that saying some of your posts have offended me is getting personal, I'll accept that as your interpretation. Offended may have been too strong a word, but bothered seemed too weak and I couldn't come up with one that's in-between.

The point I was trying to make was that Gordo has the right to be wrong. I realize he ignores valid arguments and I agree with those who shun him.

"suspect EdVB brought up his concerns because he noticed CBob's return"

Oh I seriously doubt that...if so, the accusation would not have been aimed at me, because in the day I certainly had no problems with C-Bob.

Dog,

I was being a little facetious. As to "vulture and hypocritta", it is one of the reasons that the aliases that are obviously comments rather than names truly bug me.

Before the election we had a place safe and congenial enough that the names were stable and represented real people with real lives even when there was disagreement about issues.

The trouble with the drive by shootings is that they are both anonymous and mean when they are in the name slot rather than a joke in the body of the message. There is a cowardice about it that truly offends me.

"The point I was trying to make was that Gordo has the right to be wrong."

Point taken, Ed.

Well, all I know about the shapeshifters is that I'm not one of them. (As Craig so kindly checked and absolved me of, when some of you were accusing me...) I had enough toruble getting signed on as Patsi. I'm sure not taking any chances by trying to change my name.

And I am sure you know that if I have something snarky to say, I'll do it under my own name and make no apologies.

But I'm not so sure about Ed and dog....

(kidding)

Hate to break up the "meanie meanie" meme....but has anyone read anything about what areas of Minnesopta have been recounted, and what have not?

If Coleman is ahead by only a hundred -- is it (hopefully) possible that some of the most Democratic areas have not been recounted yet?

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002990162

Solar you said "set em up Joe" and it reminded me of the opening song from Calamity Jane with the wonderful DORIS DAY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHFacoZy9s

I'm not deluding myself that we have returned to that sunshine place, if only because such places only exist in memory. Still, it was better, funnier, and kinder than it is now, but we are trying and some of the old hands are putting in an appearance.

Sure they put in an appearance,,,,but just to start old feuds, like this morning,,,and to tell Craig that they will clean up the neighborhood,,,and then leave after breaking some windows

I don't count, but a few of the new ones do,,,,,,don't they?????

Patsi

The Star Tribune is posting running total updates on the recount

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/?gclid=CMG1j56ViZcCFSAUagode2iF_Q

We all have our opinions on the people here. Most keep those opinions to themselves in the attempt to be civil. Or at least try to. But, if the people don't care how others feel about them, it makes no difference if you are open about those feelings. I thought of all the anti-hunters when I was at work this past week. The person I worked with this week is a hunter. He talked about his recent deer hunting escapades most of the week. As well as discussing deer hunting with other hunters at work. The question, "Did you get one yet?" was probably the one I heard most.

Does a U.S. President have the right to pardon him/herself? I asked yesterday but no one nibbled... Here is the answer

"The right to pardon is an authority given to the President of the United States (POTUS) by the US Constitution in Article II, Section 2. This section on the right to pardon specifically reads that the POTUS “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” Essentially, the only way presidential pardon is restricted by the constitution is under the circumstance of the sitting president being impeached. Self-pardon is not restricted by law, and under interpretation by the Supreme Court, a president could have the right to pardon himself not only for crimes he has committed, but also for crimes with which he has not yet been charged. As of yet, no president has actually pardoned himself for committing crimes or from actions that might later be considered crimes."

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-the-us-president-have-the-right-to-pardon-himself.htm

ET--- Congrats---on your being picked by your co. ----------i asked u before if u r do regular exercise after u lost all that weight -----it will relieve most of that stress, and give u more endurance

Thanks Jamie - I'll bookmark that page....

Leave Solar alone, dog. He doesn't deserve the BS.

Thanks for the feedback, pro and con.

Time to head out for the rest of the day.

"Maybe each freighter should be accompanied by a smaller, faster ship quipped with waepons. Flatus, would that work?" patsi@9:52

I think it would have unintended consequences such as the pirates acquiring more advanced/lethal capability, or of sinking one or more cargo vessels with inevitable loss of life.

As it stands right now, I wouldn't be shocked if one or more bands of pirates got their hands on some Exocet missiles and used them in their campaign of intimidation.

Right now, I think strong self-defense capabilities on at-risk vessels is the best course.

If somebody really wants to confront the pirates in their home territory, then it seems to me that RPVs might be an effective way of doing it.

Dog, I noticed that people who share the same opinions here are generally nice to each other. It's much less so if the people share different opinions.

OK--and yet ----u r reacting to some argument that u and patsi had about 6 months ago

Ed--she/he can do their own talking for themselves

Jamie did make that remark @ her 10:29 post---and i like jamie very much---

and u did it again---you say something in a semi positive way and then --u say the following---this is typical.

But Solar's dismissing what I had to say, wholesale, is what I was getting at.

It would have gone down just fine if Jamie had said it.

Dog--i said it---and by comparison to other newbies that r here, that is what i meant--some a little older here than others but , by the tone that the conversation was going,,no one under the age of two years old on this blog would count for very much.

Solar, at the end of the work day, I am so tired that the thought of doing any exercise remains just that. Funny thing, I was talking with a customer yesterday and bemoaning how difficult dieting is and how I realize I will have to do it for the rest of my life if I want to stay healthy. I was talking about driving to this nature park and doing daily walks there. We were both laughing because now the weather is dreadful in Belgium, cold, windy, rain and snow... so of course no outdoor walks. In the summer it can be so bloody warm you wanna melt, so of course no outdoor walks. Still, I like riding my bike, so I might try to do some of that in the "wintery" season.

Interestingly enough, I have no urge to eat the candies or chocolates in my shop. I do eat some of the sandwiches which, according to terms of my diet, is not allowed. I eat MANY veggies and fish and rice crackers, but I can go through a bag of the rice crackers in a sitting !! I am enjoying my weight loss but ever paranoid that the weight will creep back on...

My only motivation is health. I'll never be Mr. Buff, or skinny. I just want to control my blood sugar and have my body's capacity improved, both of which has occurred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1DKpa_qZg
Pirate

"Dog, I noticed that people who share the same opinions here are generally nice to each other. It's much less so if the people share different opinions." corey@11:23

And, Corey, I see an awful amount of gloating and hand-slapping amongst segments of the blog's population. All that type of behavior does is isolate people on the opposite side and entrench them in their opinions, opinions which otherwise might have been malleable.

ET, tell us about the shindig the company is going to throw for you guys.

You came here this morning to take up ed.s position from last night-----that is fine----but then u tell patsi that she called u a mason--or whatever u said im not going to go back and look it up-----u did not come over to say ----hey patsi how r u----u didn't even come to defend ed----u just took it as an opportunity to restart an old fued-----and it worked ---u go the reaction that u wanted-----and now a little more

Hey I posted the wrong song... It's called "THE LOOK" and it was only on the Japanese version of Cher's Living Proof cd...

This is worth hearing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03hU7lIhbPo&

Flatus I don't really know... isn't that strange? The District Manager told me a bit about it but ... it was so busy at work I didn't get all the details... I'm going to email him!

heheheh thanks for asking...

ET---u may not think that u don't have a little energy to spare on exercising but u do----a little at a time---and u will build up untapped energy----remember that u did had it to haul around the extra pounds before,,,go ahead a little at a time,no more talk from me on this subject-buy :-))

Flatus, you understand perfectly. Dog, Julia asked me how things were here lately. She has not posted here in awhile. I told her things were mostly the same. I told her she probably wasn't missing out on much.

C-bob shemeeee bob---yes he is all that i have read about, and more,,i see him as a most wonder full human being,and will take the time with anyone to share his insights

but do u really want to use that as a reason to remind another blogger that they at one time said something that u disagreed with??I have always read your post fir 2 reasons

the first is that u r very intelligent and informative when u want to be----the 2nd is my amazement at how well that u can turn that right around and get mean----i want to learn a little of that so i can defend my self in written form---u r one of the best

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beat you all to it !!! NEW THREAD NEW THREAD... I am giddy.. definitely time for diabetic pill... LOL

I don't care how old or new a poster is. I do care about the ambiance of this place.

We all wander around the blogosphere and it is easy to see that they degenerate into places where people do nothing but scream expletives at each other.

Even at its worst here during the primaries, when we lost so many good people, there was still an effort to pull back from the brink. There was no demand for phony togetherness, but rather that we treat each other as adults and try not to say something with your fingers that you wouldn't say to their face if in the same room.

I try to think of us as NPR ehrtr we can present ideas for discussion without letting it degeneratung into a brawl.

Old or new, I would like to see all concerned try to enforce that standard.

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