Auto Bailout a Test Drive for Obama

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President-elect Barack Obama used his first post-election meeting with President George W. Bush last week to urge a speedy bailout of the auto industry, but the incumbent's party is slowing things down.  

Top Senate Republicans said Tuesday that this year's $700 billion financial industry bailout program should not be the source of aid for struggling domestic automakers. Meanwhile, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer raised the possibility of calling members back in December to deal with the auto issue. More on this story.

Detroit auto makers might have to wait until Obama, along with new Democratic members of Congress, get in place next year. On Sunday, Obama discussed his thoughts for a bailout in a CBS "60 Minutes" interview, saying it should be "conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all the stakeholders coming together with a plan" for "a sustainable U.S. auto industry. ... So that we are creating a bridge loan to somewhere as opposed to a bridge loan to nowhere."

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  1. early bird gets the worm?
    Rise and Shine

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 6:00 AM

  2. i'd rather have pancakes, ping.

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 6:06 AM

  3. Just Say NO!
    Say NO to Drugs! SO NO TO FALSE ECONOMY!
    Say NO to breaking the FUNDAMENTAL rules again of our economic system. Look what happened when our Government allowed social policy to override sound fiscal policy – we had a housing boom and bust –

    Which is the primary reason we are in trouble today. FALSE ECONOMY

    DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

    Hey Pres Elect Barack - When in Law School did you ever Learn what Chapter 11 vs 7 ?

    Call a Duck – a duck and a Loser a Loser.

    Barack says it should be "conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all the stakeholders coming together with a plan" for "a sustainable U.S. auto industry –

    Good so you do understand Chapter 11 – which gives all the tools and is all about providing the solution tools to bring a sustainable future

    But Wait – ah the hidden agenda
    UAW – UAW – UAW
    Do not let this be a bailout of the failed UAW.

    If you want a social program – then be honest about it.

    Do NOT delay the inevitable – They are BANKRUPT – let’s help but not by creating a FALSE ECONOMY AGAIN.

    Which Barack will show up? The one of Change – or the one in the pocket of the UAW just like the Gov’t was in Fannie and Freddie!

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 6:10 AM

  4. PS - ANd make the failed capitalist pay the price.
    How can you prop up the executives of Corp's that have weakend our society?

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 6:12 AM

  5. No more sugar for you Ping.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 6:32 AM

  6. Blame the workers, Ping Pong? There you go again.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 6:32 AM

  7. Divalicias -
    Your generalization has no founding -
    Where is the worker blamed?
    Ah Diva – licias…. Ah now I get it…..

    Maybe no more sugar for Ping... But a dose of reality for a few.....

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-174936

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 6:38 AM

  8. Off to my capitalistic world.
    Also - we need to save the workers - from an over taxing governor,from possible poor leadership, from possible impacts of Gov't elements, from themselves?

    Where is Lee?

    Best to all.....

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 6:44 AM

  9. Rosie the C -
    Cool ....... That was the best money you ever spent, and your story is a carbon copy of several others. ( Anybody remember carbon paper ?)

    Old Sea - Re-post your link, I never used Dreamweaver, and I may not be of help, but I can take a look.

    There's a scroll button on the right side of the screen. Everybody should learn how to use it.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 6:47 AM

  10. I woke - up and "The Hospital" was on TCM, and there was one of those great lines from Chayefsky.

    "I am the wrath of the lamb, the parakleet of kavorka. "

    They don't write em' like that anymore.

    Looks like Ping ate all the doughnuts.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 6:56 AM

  11. what is a parakleet of kavorka?

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:01 AM

  12. "No more sugar for you Ping."

    anon, i think it was the early worm he got this morning... sometimes they can be downright toxic if not psychotropic.

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 7:03 AM

  13. Kavorka
    (Pronounced Kah-vor-kah) The Kavorka is a word which originated from the Latvian Orthodox. It means "the lure of the animal". It is described as a curse, making someone irresistible to anyone of the opposite sex, even attractive to the same sex, as people will be naturally drawn to you. It's a heavy responsibility to have to be imposed with everyone's lusty wants, hence, it's consideration as a curse. People will want to be with you, be like you, be you.

    uran dic

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 7:07 AM

  14. " Better to be religious with your eloquence, than eloquent with your religion. "

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:11 AM

  15. Sturg -
    I have no idea, but the dialog in that movie is just wonderful ... The crazy old man killing people in the hospital . Diana Rigg bringing in an Indian shaman, George C. Scott as the burnt out doctor.

    Sweet

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:18 AM

  16. Yesterday was Ted Stevens birthday.

    Happy birthday Ted !

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:21 AM

  17. OOOOOOOO Hospital one of my favorite movies and thanks for bringing up Kavorka...I've always wondered.....

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 7:21 AM

  18. I get it now....it was the parakleet which throwed me.....lol.........I guess it's parakeet......meaning he's not much in the animal magnetism dept. or in the wrath game......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:21 AM

  19. 1959 Ford cancels the Edsel

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:22 AM

  20. too much kavorka and you wind up kevorkianed

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:24 AM

  21. Morning people. Took a break yesterday, Did read how people upset Brian again. Have you people no concern for the feelings of others?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 7:26 AM

  22. corey.....I was wondering whether someone should check with him to ascertain the advisability of talking about "Movies"........

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:28 AM

  23. It may be just Patty screwing around. It's mentioned several times, and they're using " cleat " not "keet".

    The Kavorka was used in a Seinfeld, I gotta think they were going right back the "Hospital" for that one.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:30 AM

  24. Parakleet is een begrip uit het Nieuwe Testament wat wel vertaald wordt met de Heilige Geest. Het Griekse woord παράκλητος betekent ongeveer hij die helpt of bijstaat. De grondlegger Montanus van de vroegchristelijke sekte der Montanisten noemde zichzelf parakleet.

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:32 AM

  25. He had me right up to the "religious myths" part. I guess we can find out which myths we can talk about.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 7:35 AM

  26. Sturg -

    We'll get Rosie to show him how to use the scroll button.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:36 AM

  27. He talks about the prediction of Moses (pbuh) and the mention of the Prophet of Islam in earlier holy books. He is also identified as Parakleet in the Greek Bible, which says that he would come to complete the mission of earlier prophets. He cites William Muir's observation in the Life of Mahomet that Parakleet is an apt description for the prophet of Islam.

    http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15052001/sign.htm

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:36 AM

  28. Signpost
    A Hindu view of Islam
    By M. Zeyaul Haque

    the prior quote is from the page above.....link on prior post.

    now Im back to wondering about parakleet of kavorka....

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 7:38 AM

  29. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-174935

    Ping
    Your agenda is clear.You want bankruptcy to nullify the union contracts and throw the UAW under the bus and the workers! Have you ever been a member of a union? I am a proud UAW Local 598 member for 23 years! Tell me hasn't unionism been on the decline in this country since your hero Ronald Reagan was President?How is the American worker been better off without unions? Where's the rise in real wages and benefits for the average U.S. worker????

    Posted by: tonyb39 Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 7:42 AM

  30. Chapter 11 -

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one need a line of credit, or lines of credit to reorganize ? And aren't the banks barely lending to each other, much less lending to a bunch of Triceratops on life support ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:44 AM

  31. tonyb39 -

    Here's why the Republicans lost the last 2 elections :

    United States National Debt
    An Analysis of the Presidents Who Are Responsible for the Borrowing

    http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 7:53 AM

  32. Anon
    Thanks for that link!

    Posted by: tonyb39 Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 7:55 AM

  33. Could the folks running those pro-union ads have picked a worse time for that fight? More pay, more benefits = please ship our jobs overseas.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | November 19, 2008 8:00 AM

  34. Argh--23-deg at Kaserne Ohlfahrt this morning; 38-deg in NYC. Is something wrong, already?

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:04 AM

  35. Anon

    That is the problem. If the banks were lending, the car companies could go chapter 11 and reorganize, but the banks aren't lending yet. That means the tax payer has to abe the bank. I don't like it, but I can understand the bail out, particularly since there actually seem to be a majority on both sides of the aisle coming up with reasons for doing so.

    My only demand would be a top to bottom scrubbing of all executive luxuries (Romney's dad did this before), $1 a year salaries until they came up with a complete business plan. Ping is right only to the extent that the legacy costs are monumental and hurts them competitively even with foreign cars built here who get breaks that the Detroit makers don't get. It's time for tit for tat in the competition department world wide.

    A universal health care system of some sort for these major corporations would help.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:04 AM

  36. From the founding of the republic to the election of Reagan, our country took on 1 Trillion in debt. The rise of the right wing's theories about the economy have driven the agenda for nearly 30 years. So what do we have to show for it ?

    A box of rocks, and a bucket of ashes.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 8:05 AM

  37. "Where's the rise in real wages and benefits for the average U.S. worker????"

    Yes, this country's manufacturing offered solid work opportunities because of the unions. And look what has happened in the country since 1980 -- wages are stagnant. Everything else is skyhigh.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:06 AM

  38. This is from last night....it's important...more Bush-BS waiting for President Obama...

    http://www.takepart.com/2008/11/18/bush-administration-turns-appointments-into-civil-posts-in-interior-department/

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:08 AM

  39. Just to aggravate Brian. There was a request for "sexy" songs last night and I said I liked word play. One of the sexiest singers of all time, Julie London, with a Bobby Troup song (Now there's a California story when you add in Jack Webb)

    Nice Girls Don't Stay For Breakfast

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuhqTcwPBac


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:09 AM

  40. tonyb39 -
    Reagan had no problem selling out his union members when he saw a chance to suck-up to GE.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 8:10 AM

  41. I have an underground tape of Julie London in a studio cussing like a sailor about the arrangement, the musicians, etc etc......also on the tape is the infamous Buddy Rich on the tour bus berating (a mild word) his young band members......hilarious.........

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 8:11 AM

  42. The companies where I live have often held the same view on wages. Pay less money per hour to their workers, make up for it by giving out quarterly bonuses. But, most places now can't afford to give out bonuses. At least not to hourly workers.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:15 AM

  43. In keeping with the religious theme....did anyone post this find in Syria yesterday?

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/healthscience/18soul.php

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:19 AM

  44. tonyb39 -
    Reagan had no problem selling out his union members when he saw a chance to suck-up to GE.

    not the first ones Ronnie Raygun sold out.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 8:19 AM

  45. Patsi,

    I'm evil. About half way through the first paragraph on that news article I'm thinking ... If you can't fire the executive, rename the department and appoint a new head.

    Leave the Bush appointee sitting in a plush office with absolutely nothing to do and then start civil service procedures to declare them redundant. At some point they will either go quietly off to some think tank with a nice bonus and rep in hand or you will fire their useless posterior and tell the world why.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:20 AM

  46. The Gettysburg Address

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground.The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

    ----------------------------

    Today is the 145 anniversary

    -----------------------------
    The Only Known Photograph of President Lincoln
    at the dedication of the
    Civil War cemetery at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania,
    November 19, 1863.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1512410

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 8:21 AM

  47. 50 percent more US children went hungry in 2007...

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/america/18hunger.php

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:24 AM

  48. "... If you can't fire the executive, rename the department and appoint a new head. "

    Well done, Jamie!!!!!

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:25 AM

  49. Thomas Friedman on Larry King last night speaking of T. Boone Pickens -

    "He's my friend .............................. and god bless him."

    Friedman and Ted Turner praise T. Boone in the same week .

    Can Jesus be far behind ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 8:31 AM

  50. "have an underground tape of Julie London in a studio cussing like a sailor "

    sturge -- aha...the Patsy Cline studio style. (She didn't cuss out anyone in particular -- just loved profanities!)

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:31 AM

  51. Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:34 AM

  52. A sexy song before I go....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VMYlJv3VVk

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:37 AM

  53. jamie, good job. and wouldn't they also be subject to a probationary period as described in excerpt from us dept of state personnel webpage:

    ".....Civil Service employees serving on an initial appointment to a supervisory or managerial position are also required to serve a probationary period, which is, usually, one year. Generally, if the employee does not perform satisfactorily during this period, he/she shall be returned to a position in the agency of no lower grade and pay than the position he/she left to accept the managerial supervisory position. In some instances, however, the employee may be terminated and does not have appeal rights. (See 5 CFR part 315, Subpart H and I)."

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 8:39 AM

  54. Craig

    A fix is in the works, it just depends where they get the money from. McConnell and Bush have their ideas and the Democrats have theirs.
    Meanwhile my Republican senator will be up for re-election in 2 years. Part of his core is those old Reagan democrats, a great many of them retired UAW workers who got rich enough to vote Republican.


    Until it is done, you have to let the blowhards blow for a while and put on show hearing so pompous ignorant politicians can lecture the Auto executives , who will show contriteness they don't feel and in the end they will all get together for a drink.
    (being careful to stand while drinking)

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:42 AM

  55. Now aren't we useful

    I fix the Environment an Jack takes care of the Auto industry ... let's go have a drink

    It's 5:00 O'Clock Somewhere

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib8nH4kHjxk

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:46 AM

  56. Anon-- Great Horsey cartoon!

    patd -- interesting about the probationary period...

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:46 AM

  57. Jamie

    Haven't we seen this all before, Somewhere?

    The more things change the more they stay the same.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:52 AM

  58. Today's thread on The BackChannel Blog

    Sect. Of Speculation

    http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:52 AM

  59. ahoy, patsi, me hearty! those scallywags need feel the cat o nine on em and walked off the plank t be sure.

    seriously folks, this piracy stuff is well armed, well organized and getting big time serious.

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 8:53 AM

  60. FROM HELEN:
    So the oil companies are once again boasting record profits and yet the auto makers are asking for some government cheese. Does anyone else see the irony here? So I’ve got a little trickle down theory of my own. As long as Detroit continues to make cars for the Gas-Capades let the oil companies bail them out. It’s a “robbing Peter to pay Paul” kind of thing except in this case Peter and Paul seem to be riding the short bus… and it’s not to save on gas.

    Margaret and Helen
    Best Friends for Sixty Years and Counting…

    http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/government-cheese-of-a-different-kind/

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 8:53 AM

  61. Hmm, they could look through the ranks of retired four-stars and choose a no-holds-barred executive. Bring him back to active duty and make him the CEO.

    (Would have been gender neutral, but there are no retired female four-star GOs).

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:56 AM

  62. Patd

    And as the major sea power it is our job to control it, instead we are dicking around in places we don't belong.
    Another GWB screwup.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 8:58 AM

  63. anon, tell helen she won the gold star for today's best economy fix. terrific idea. and i like her scooter, but what's the boat their on and is it pirate proof?

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 8:58 AM

  64. correction: their= they're

    "Another GWB screwup."

    jack, so many more to go and so little time left

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 9:03 AM

  65. "seriously folks, this piracy stuff is well armed, well organized and getting big time serious."

    Patd, we'll send in the Marines as soon as they get close to Tripoli. More seriously, in the case of cargo vessels, virtually none are U.S. flagged, and most of the cargo is owned by entities with no U.S. connection.

    If the insurance companies and the shippers want to pay us big bucks or, in the case of oil, guaranteed supply, for going after the pirates then...

    Who used to 'own' the Horn of Africa--Italy? Let them clean-up the mess.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 9:03 AM

  66. Flatus

    The Generals are all busy working for defense industry, Mostly for marketing reasons. In that business if you haven't got a general on the payroll you're not working. Although, I'm told by my resident expert, Colonels are better at the marketing. They can sneak in, talk to the folks that need talking to and nobody is the wiser. When a general shows up he gets the full treatment.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 9:06 AM

  67. Blog Stats for

    Margaret and Helen
    Best Friends for Sixty Years and Counting…


    * 1,021,851 hits

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 9:06 AM

  68. Jack

    The Generals are all sitting in a line of offices that most contractors call "The Elephant Burial Ground". They don't actually work. They lunch .... long, long lunches.

    The retired Colonels talk to the active duty folks to get the requisitions and bids customed designed so that only one company can qualify for the contract.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 9:15 AM

  69. Yes there are many retired officers who line their pockets. They would not be candidates for this type of position.

    I've known generals who have an incredibly low threshold when it comes to criticism of their former brothers who feed at the trough. That would be the type of candidate I would choose.

    The chosen one would be placed on active duty with the taxpayers paying his pitifully low salary.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 9:25 AM

  70. Space shuttle Endeavour mission specialist Heide Stefanyshyn-Piper yesterday dropped her toolbag as she and Steve Bowen worked outside the International Space Station, in the process consigning to oblivion "two grease guns, scrapers, several wipes and tethers and some tool caddies".

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/19/dropped_toolbag/

    Surgeons in Spain have carried out the world's first tissue-engineered whole organ transplant - using a windpipe made with the patient's own stem cells.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7735696.stm

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 9:28 AM

  71. Patsi, yes, I saw the map and then went to the narratives of the incidents. The masters of many of the attacked vessels were successful in evading the pirates. There are lessons to be learned from them.

    At some point, it has to become cost effective for the vessel owners to put trained fighters with heavy ordnance on the vessels. It appears that we haven't reached that point.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 9:30 AM

  72. Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- BASF SE, the world's largest chemical company, lowered its profit forecast for the second time and plans to idle 80 factories after customers in the auto, construction and textile industries reduced orders.

    The German maker of styrene will also cut production at an additional 100 plants and a total 20,000 workers will be affected by the measures,

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSNcTUK7bc6k&refer=home

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 9:36 AM

  73. A history lesson -
    In 1973 when the first Arab Oil Embargo hit, the Danes chose to tax themselves to discourage the use of oil. They now make 1 out of every 3 wind turbines produced in the world.

    33% of all the electric generating capacity added in the United States last year was from wind.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 9:47 AM

  74. Solar....
    LOVE the Jesus posts.....
    and the fact that they annoy the resident bully......... priceless!

    Jamie..... I like it when you play evil......

    and for a song and video dripping with sensuality....... nothing beats Alannah Myles "Black Velvet"....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut09zkRoG0g

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 9:50 AM

  75. From the News you can use file -


    Nazi leader Hitler really did have only one ball
    Hitler really did have only one ball, according to claims by a German army medic who saved the Führer's life during the First World War.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3481932/Nazi-leader-Hitler-really-did-have-only-one-ball.html

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 10:10 AM

  76. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175008

    This "pollution" tax is one of the suggestions of "Hot, Flat, and Crowded" to force people to stop using oil and spur development of green technology. The higher gas tax could be offset with some sort of rebate to low income folks so that what would otherwise be regressive would help them during the transition.

    The U.S. either gets ahead of the curve or gets left in the dust. Third world is not a great place to live.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:11 AM

  77. The Hitler story will be a real ice breaker at parties.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 10:12 AM

  78. remember when you'd take your baby to the little local playground and there was this one unsufferable little brat who made the entire playground experience simply a drag for all the other children there......and this kid was ALWAYS at the playground......?

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 10:12 AM

  79. and Patsi....
    I know in actuality that Barry Manilow is a sweetheart of a guy....

    I wouldn't be surprised at any football player admitting he listened to him....
    Rosey Grier set the standard for such admissions with telling the world he loved to relax by doing needlepoint....

    but it's still fun to make fun of his white suit and some of his more drippy songs.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:13 AM

  80. and his parents didn't dare criticize the little critter......reminds me of that book, EVERYTHING I KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN or something like that...........

    Posted by: sturgeone | November 19, 2008 10:14 AM

  81. A hot sensual song is one written and sung by Lynda Carter of Wonder Woman fame. It was on her 1977 album PORTRAIT.

    The song is called "Fantasy Man"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG5f589K0ws

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:15 AM

  82. Another word towards our goal of 70,000 -

    'monorchic' - the medical word for the condition -

    Work that into a book advising a new president.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 10:16 AM

  83. Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:17 AM

  84. Eartha Kitt before she learned to growl :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS02GeKuWQ4

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:24 AM

  85. Let's see -

    Bailouts
    Pirates
    Wind turbines
    Barry Manilow
    Lynda Carter
    Hitler had 1 ball
    Eartha Kitt

    That's about right.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 10:25 AM

  86. Let's not do Eartha after all. I just remembered the first time I ever saw her on the screen:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044963/

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:27 AM

  87. and of course ......
    any list of sensual songs wouldn't be complete without Marilyn Monroe's "Happy Birthday Mr. President".....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4SLSlSmW74

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:29 AM

  88. Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:34 AM

  89. Don't know much about this, but it caught my eye because of all the talk of Piracy lately.

    Somali Pirates At Sea
    Time for an anti-piracy coalition of the willing.
    "Whatever the particular solutions to these essentially operational quandaries, the first step is diplomatic. The U.S., by default, has assumed primary responsibility for policing the waters off Somalia and its vicinity. Now it should call on all governments and private concerns with interests in the safety and security of those waters to meet and determine precisely how to achieve them."
    http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/11/18/somalia-pirates-ships-oped-cx_js_1119stevenson.html

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:34 AM


  90. u wanna talk about wicked----jamie is wicked and so is RR,,,after watching those 2 songs they put up----i took a shower,,,,and put on some smelly stuff-------we have a side drive way, and the door that opens up into the kitchen,,,,,and cos of those dirty dirty dirty songs u made me hear just now,,i am perched on top of the refrigerator waiting to pounce on mz crete----she is only 5ft 4" and 105 lbs so if she gets hurt,,,jamie and rr im getting pogo!

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:35 AM

  91. It may not fit theme, but I've never got tried of this one -

    White Bird - It's a beautiful day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmb69MdeJBc

    Or it's newer offspring -

    Enya - Orinoco Flow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a88-Tyl1gkI

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 10:45 AM

  92. Eartha Kitt ...

    Where is My Man...

    BRILLIANT SONG!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjF6IUB0PE

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:46 AM

  93. Mr. Crete

    No pouncing - Take notes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBYOVywYMno

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:46 AM

  94. Same disclaimer here. The key word, it seems to me, is 'short-term'.

    Why GM Deserves Support
    Short-term government backing can preserve a vital industry.
    "At General Motors, we have been responding to fierce competition here and abroad by transforming our business. Over the past decade, we have taken tough actions to cut costs, at the same time investing billions in fuel-efficient vehicles and new generations of advanced propulsion technologies.
    Short-term government support to bridge the current financial crisis will enable GM to continue as an engine for prosperity and as a creator of vehicles and technologies that America needs. Such assistance will save millions of jobs now, and produce enormous benefits for years to come."
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122705733362939557.html

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:48 AM

  95. Solar....

    shhhhh...... don't tell anyone....

    but I am the Wicked Witch of the East.....

    in reality....... Dorothy missed!

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:50 AM

  96. "The masters of many of the attacked vessels were successful in evading the pirates. There are lessons to be learned from them.

    At some point, it has to become cost effective for the vessel owners to put trained fighters with heavy ordnance on the vessels."

    Very good points, Flatus....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 10:56 AM

  97. "and Patsi....
    I know in actuality that Barry Manilow is a sweetheart of a guy...."

    Good to know. I remember when Barry did some album of standards, I phoned a friend who worked for Arista in LA and asked for a copy. He was FLOORED. Said: "Jesus, I thought you were more of a Steve Earle kind of person."

    I laughed because I've always had a soft spot for "some" Manilow tunes. Others...well...NOT. ut I remember really liking that particular album of standards.

    Plus he gave healthy checks to a LOT of Democratic candidates this year....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:00 AM

  98. I used to like some of the Manilow tunes in the old days quite a bit. But his music isn't as timeless as some of the other music that was out at the time. So now he doesn't get as much respect.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:05 AM

  99. "Eartha Kitt ...

    Where is My Man..."

    Whoa -- Gotta love that loooong '80s techno-intro! I have a couple of songs I wrote that I can no longer pitch because of those kind of tracks! Ha!

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:07 AM


  100. Patsi

    Thanks for that---monument to the soul info---------Archaeology ---Anthropology, combine the two and u get history,,,,and add a little sociology ,,and u get a pretty good idea of what was going on at that time

    The soul-----i believe was first discovered by-----the first thinking with a brain, ancient Hunter Gatherers -----that were witness to some kind of energy leaving ( release ) the body of their fallen commrades in battle, or by some game they hunted---i think this is what some soldiers expeirance and never want to talk about it-----they don't know?????

    Sturg thank again--for filling in -----that Islam site fills in yet again with what i have now,,,,and thanks for your support,,,

    The problem that i have some times with unions is that , not only that if i want to do a city, state, or gov, job, i have to pay scale---now this is fine with me,,,,what i object to is that they force me to pay all the benefit costs,,,,i know damn well that all of the money that i put in are not going into the worker retirement actt,,,,,,,,it also goes into the greedy pockets of the leaders--------this is a major problem and i also think is the way to keep small contractors out of the bidding process--------Universal health ins....would solve this in a major way?????

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:10 AM

  101. Another sensual song of sorts...

    HUMAN from the film STUCK ON YOU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nz_lQ2NKwo

    And then, "It's a man's world" - This version is quite sensual...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmYSnQh2eo4&NR=1

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:12 AM

  102. Jamie -- maybe you remember this story....there was an incident in a cafe in LA years ago...Bary Manilow was in there with some record people, and another artist was at another booth -- made some really ugly comments about Manilow, in a loud voice. I remember reading about it and thinking the other guy must be a complete asshole. But now I can't recall who it was....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:12 AM

  103. ONE BY ONE... written by Cher ... adding to my list of sensual songs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfoeMFrTauk

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:12 AM


  104. Hey! this aint no raido station----get back to bashing pallin----or im tellin----Jack

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:19 AM

  105. Be careful, Solar -- or I'll start posting recipes and country music trivia.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:27 AM

  106. And so....here's my favorite YouTube -- Roger Miller singing to a bunch of chickens on the Muppet Show...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDGXqVUzeiA

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:29 AM

  107. Patsi, We already do recipes. How about some insider gossip?

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:35 AM

  108. Kerry named to replace Biden as Chair of Senate Foreign Affairs Committee. That puts him out of the SoS running.

    Just get 'er done already so the TV yackers can move on to Treasury

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:39 AM

  109. Good Morning all-

    Glad 'we've been discussing anything but what the media has to say. Wish they would just say- "well, shit, we got nothing new to say today, so we'll just check in with all those folks in New Orleans or the poor people in CA that lost their homes, or just abut anything other than trashing the Clintons. Maybe they could just run the reruns of West Wing and critique them.
    Here's my list of songs to get you in the mood. I know it's a bit over 10 but we're not talking about restraint .
    Wonderful Tonight- Eric Clapton
    Always on My Mind- Willy Nelson
    Let's Stay Together- Al Green
    You Make Me Fell Brand New- Stylistics
    UnChained Melody- Righteous Brothers
    Hungry Eyes-Eric Carmen- figure this might not appeal to the dudes out there
    Amazed- Paul McCartney
    Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow-the Shirelles
    In The Still Of The Night- The Platters
    The Best Is Yet To Come- Tony Bennett
    Fly Me To The Moon- Frank Sinatra
    The Longest Time- Billy JOel
    Crazy Love- Van Morrison
    Only Wanna Be With You - Hootie & the Blowfish
    Someone Like You- Van Morrison
    Lady in Red- Clapton
    How sweet is is- James Taylor
    Peaceful Easy Feeling- the eagles
    Walkin After Midnight- Patsy Cline- Had a tough time with this pick. Patsy's voice is SO sexy in Crazy, but really just makes you wanna cry in your beer. Walking is more about pent up energy
    Sexual Healing- Marvin Gaye- kinda obvious

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:48 AM

  110. Forgot -Santa Baby by Eartha

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:50 AM

  111. A little Good News - Anne Murray

    For OSH!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqUUQElQ8kM

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 11:53 AM

  112. Well it ain't chinkens, but it's not bad either -

    Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
    Leonard Bernstein as pianist, conducting some band in London &
    Capt Picard on Trombone

    pt.1/2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiyc9Ak3EtQ

    pt.2/2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOcuvv01nO4

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 11:55 AM

  113. Hey Anon, Thanks anyways, I think we've got it figured out. I was trying to use a shopping cart like os commerce but it is pretty much all html. I'm just going to use paypal's cart, its secure and hope customers don't mind. My credit card company would be happy to add one for a monthly fee, on top of a higher percentage. What a racket. If you have any better ideas , please let me know.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:04 PM


  114. My folks come from farm country in mexico--------mexiccan william hill music is just as wonderful-----we have our own patsy cline etc etc,,,,some times i love to put on real old movies and watch all the old singer that aare on them with the same kind of songs

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:07 PM

  115. Dinner with Gershwin... big hit in Europe, but not in the USA... Pity

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGU2uRGBrtA

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:08 PM

  116. ET- If only they'd listen to that song!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:12 PM

  117. Old Sea -

    Look into Google's cart, and then there's this stuff :

    In Web Design / HTML: shopping carts

    http://webdesign.about.com/sitesearch.htm?terms=shopping%20carts&SUName=webdesign&TopNode=99

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:15 PM

  118. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175051

    Anon,

    I doubt the pianer man will amount to much and that Picard guy is pretty far out there. The Band probably has a future.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:15 PM

  119. Anon, Why do you prefer Google?

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:16 PM

  120. Old Sea -
    Who's your host ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:18 PM


  121. linda R does a pretty good job ---in conciones de mi padre

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB-V95tXdsQ

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:18 PM

  122. BOLERO-RAVEL

    Watch the woman's face @ 4 min. in ..... she's clearly enjoying herself.
    It's really a great performance.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:21 PM

  123. I use start logic. Might switch to globat though. Startlogic was a cool little co. in Phoenix and use to get all these computer geeks for techs. They were great, but now they have outsourced (they say to Canada, but I can't understand them, sure sound like they are from India to me, and not techies either) . We built our website on dreamweaver, didn't want to use all those templates all the hosts offer. Also, learned the hard way that hosts change platforms and then your site becomes obsolete , it remains but no way of making changes.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:24 PM

  124. Old Sea -
    It's been a while, but if I remember google may take a smaller cut than pay pal.
    I could be wrong though.

    Your host doesn't offer a cart ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:26 PM

  125. Daschle - Health and Human Services

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:27 PM

  126. Good one Solar -
    Linda does Zevon almost as well

    Linda Ronstadt- Poor, Poor Pitiful Me

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgxK_LcQEHI

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:31 PM

  127. They offer a cart , set it up last week only to find out that it is limited to 15 items, but for 30 dollars a month more I could have more items. This has been a pain in the neck. Ran a national ad and of course the holidays are here, just about the worst time possible. I don't ship in the summer so I hadn't made any changes to my products till last month and then I found that it was impossible to do. I'll check out Google, probably helps with the searches too. I love their Analytics. Just added that to my new site, screwed up a bit though- some of my html code is showing on my home page! Haven't had the courage to go back and change it yet.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:33 PM

  128. Congratulations GORDO , you found a new topic.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:36 PM

  129. Jamie....
    just heard about Daschle on CNN..... they said he'd quit his job at a Washington law firm....
    all I could think was "Washington law firm?.... I thought his home was in South Dakota"...... just goes to show ya how enamored and entrenched politicians become about the Beltway.....

    Patsi.....
    making fun of Barry's suit on a blog is one thing.....
    but actually being rude to him in person is definitely assholic behavior in my book....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:38 PM


  130. and for some fun and dancin music---take a peek

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmXMJ5GQA0s

    gonna hit the bow flex with this one,,,and it is not so cold today and a lot of sun-------all these tunes put me in a good mood---later

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:40 PM

  131. Old Sea -

    E commerce it's quick, it's easy , it's secure ......

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:41 PM

  132. Pin balling along -

    Harry Nilsson - Jump Into the Fire

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K86KHSYkgIU

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:46 PM


  133. XR-----WAKE UP------this song is for u-----told u not to get me all riled up;;;;hahahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKnX_7kCapc

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 12:50 PM

  134. Said "doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
    I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
    I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
    I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 12:58 PM

  135. Howard Stern Interviews smart Obama supporters In Harlem

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c

    Posted by: GORDO | November 19, 2008 12:58 PM

  136. Deep thought -

    The 10 cent movie was a cheap escape from the grim reality of the 30's
    U - Tube is the the same thing for the 21st century.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:02 PM

  137. Any song by Sade or Weird Al...just depends.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | November 19, 2008 1:03 PM

  138. More pirate news: The Indian Navy has sunk a pirate "mother ship"

    http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world/20081119/Piracy/


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 1:07 PM

  139. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175073

    RR

    That probably has to do with his wife's job as a Transportation.lobbyist

    Here's an old article about them from when he was considering a Presidential run. Cute Title: Daschles "hillary" problem

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0201.mencimer.html

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 1:11 PM

  140. GORDO -

    You couldn't find Stern interviewing a porn star ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:11 PM

  141. "The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?

    "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."

    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931

    Posted by: GORDO | November 19, 2008 1:16 PM

  142. Ayman al-Zawahiri and Sean Hannity both hate Obama -

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7737710.stm

    ______________

    I'd call that a Good House Keeping Seal of Approval.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:23 PM

  143. Jamie -

    Nice ......... How about coupons for bandwidth ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:25 PM

  144. please add this to the trail mix list of salacious music:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWADYjeGAM

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 1:35 PM

  145. MOGADISHU, Somalia -- Somalia's increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women - even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1105ap_af_pirate_boomtown.html

    ------------------------
    Next up :

    CAPTAIN MOGADISHU RUM

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:35 PM

  146. A Google ad at the bottom of my last link -

    advertising
    Ads by Google
    Somali Girls Dating

    Date sexy Somali women. Hot Somali
    girls. Date Somalia girls free now!


    www.Muslims4Marriage.com

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:40 PM

  147. Next time Alabama falls on it's ass, for whatever the reason. No money for them, not one stinkin' nickle. It's only fair for the torture of listening to Shelby talk about the GM bailout.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:44 PM

  148. "What's the problem?"

    ----------------------------------

    Indeed what is the problem ?

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:50 PM

  149. and this lascivious little ditty:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45-6duFvfuI

    mind you, this is all in the interest of providing more interesting words and inspiring thoughts to further the writing chore of our gracious host.
    craig, your words for today: salacious and lascivious.

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 1:53 PM

  150. This could be a problem -

    Astronomers Detect Matter Torn Apart By Black Hole

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081118095852.htm

    Or this could be a problem -

    Billions Of Particles Of Anti-matter Created In Laboratory

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193019.htm

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 1:59 PM

  151. Even this looks like trouble -

    New Planet Discovered Orbiting Dangerously Close To Giant Star

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081118141712.htm

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:00 PM

  152. anon, take two of these and get some rest.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

    Posted by: patd | November 19, 2008 2:03 PM

  153. Yet another problem -

    NASA Satellites Capture Images Of Southern California Wildfires

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117163354.htm

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:05 PM

  154. What does BASF stand for?

    Bad Mixing
    Air Voiding
    Shrinking
    Foam

    Blame
    Another
    Supplier
    First

    The one department I used to work in made our foam from chemicals we got from BASF. For a long time we had problems with our foam. Our Quality Engineer was close buddies with a guy who worked at BASF, so he refused to blame BASF for the problems with our foam. So, we started making up those little jokes about BASF. But, our boss finally told us "Our supplier BASF has been having some problems. It's probably not a good idea to make fun of them."

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 2:08 PM

  155. patd -

    I was thinking a shot of CAPTAIN MOGADISHU'S RUM.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:08 PM

  156. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175097

    patd

    With that writing assignment hanging over his head, he is probably closer to lugubrious

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 2:09 PM

  157. The House Democratic Steering Committee has nominated Henry A. Waxman to be chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee next year — a stinging rebuke of the sitting chairman, John D. Dingell .

    Waxman won a 25-22 vote over Dingell in a closed-door meeting Wednesday by the Steering panel. Because Dingell got more than 13 votes, he can be nominated to run against Waxman at Thursday’s Democratic Caucus meeting, at which all of the Democrats elected to the 111th Congress are eligible to vote.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:15 PM

  158. Anon --------------------------

    "What's the problem?"

    The problem is SoetorObama's "hidden" past !!!

    Is he Constitutionally eligible for the office of POTUS?

    Has he been using an illegal name (BHO) for about 30 years?

    Documents are held back for a reason -- they are very damaging. If Barry Soetoro has nothing to hide, release certified hardcopies of documents that prove he is eligible for POTUS and his legal name is BHO.

    Posted by: GORDO | November 19, 2008 2:25 PM

  159. Patd,,why u--------------had to look up lascivious -------wanna dance???

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 2:31 PM

  160. Here's another problem -

    ( Metaphor Alert )

    You can either use the net learn more about black holes, or you can fall into them.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:33 PM


  161. Anon---don't go near the Bermuda triangle-----if you don't want to fall into one.

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 2:37 PM

  162. Back to the topic -

    Chinese Want To Buy the Big 3 Automakers

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/chinese-want-to-buy-the-b_b_144920.html

    --------------------------
    Jane asks some very good questions .

    " With no big three making cars what's to stop Toyota and Honda from moving the plants to Mexico where costs are really low. Its only the threat of being shut out of the American market that keeps the Japanese building cars here. If we no longer have cars made in America by American companies we will have no choice but to buy their cars no matter where they are made. "

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:43 PM

  163. Solar -
    I'm keeping out of British Columbia as well , Sasquatch might mug me for my beef jerky.

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:48 PM

  164. My wife and I have decided to institute our own recovery plan for the auto makers. Our issue is we both want a new vehicle but we're only buying one for now. She wants a new Yukon Denali and I want a new
    F150.....any bets on who'll win this one

    Posted by: jaxtrader Author Profile Page | November 19, 2008 2:53 PM

  165. Brian Williams began with a remarkable lead-in:

    "Coal. While you might have heard the phrase 'clean coal' during the presidential campaign, it's actually an oxymoron. Wishful thinking. Coal does not burn cleanly and it's hugely expensive to make it burn that way..."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-dorner/brian-williams-clean-coal_b_144764.html

    Posted by: Anon | November 19, 2008 2:57 PM

  166. Jax -

    There's a dealership somewhere that's offering a buy one a get another one for a dollar.

    Post