Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

early bird gets the worm?
Rise and Shine

i'd rather have pancakes, ping.

Just Say NO!
Say NO to Drugs! SO NO TO FALSE ECONOMY!
Say NO to breaking the FUNDAMENTAL rules again of our economic system. Look what happened when our Government allowed social policy to override sound fiscal policy – we had a housing boom and bust –

Which is the primary reason we are in trouble today. FALSE ECONOMY

DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

Hey Pres Elect Barack - When in Law School did you ever Learn what Chapter 11 vs 7 ?

Call a Duck – a duck and a Loser a Loser.

Barack says it should be "conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all the stakeholders coming together with a plan" for "a sustainable U.S. auto industry –

Good so you do understand Chapter 11 – which gives all the tools and is all about providing the solution tools to bring a sustainable future

But Wait – ah the hidden agenda
UAW – UAW – UAW
Do not let this be a bailout of the failed UAW.

If you want a social program – then be honest about it.

Do NOT delay the inevitable – They are BANKRUPT – let’s help but not by creating a FALSE ECONOMY AGAIN.

Which Barack will show up? The one of Change – or the one in the pocket of the UAW just like the Gov’t was in Fannie and Freddie!

PS - ANd make the failed capitalist pay the price.
How can you prop up the executives of Corp's that have weakend our society?

No more sugar for you Ping.

Blame the workers, Ping Pong? There you go again.

Divalicias -
Your generalization has no founding -
Where is the worker blamed?
Ah Diva – licias…. Ah now I get it…..

Maybe no more sugar for Ping... But a dose of reality for a few.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-174936

Off to my capitalistic world.
Also - we need to save the workers - from an over taxing governor,from possible poor leadership, from possible impacts of Gov't elements, from themselves?

Where is Lee?

Best to all.....

Rosie the C -
Cool ....... That was the best money you ever spent, and your story is a carbon copy of several others. ( Anybody remember carbon paper ?)

Old Sea - Re-post your link, I never used Dreamweaver, and I may not be of help, but I can take a look.

There's a scroll button on the right side of the screen. Everybody should learn how to use it.

I woke - up and "The Hospital" was on TCM, and there was one of those great lines from Chayefsky.

"I am the wrath of the lamb, the parakleet of kavorka. "

They don't write em' like that anymore.

Looks like Ping ate all the doughnuts.

what is a parakleet of kavorka?

"No more sugar for you Ping."

anon, i think it was the early worm he got this morning... sometimes they can be downright toxic if not psychotropic.

Kavorka
(Pronounced Kah-vor-kah) The Kavorka is a word which originated from the Latvian Orthodox. It means "the lure of the animal". It is described as a curse, making someone irresistible to anyone of the opposite sex, even attractive to the same sex, as people will be naturally drawn to you. It's a heavy responsibility to have to be imposed with everyone's lusty wants, hence, it's consideration as a curse. People will want to be with you, be like you, be you.

uran dic

" Better to be religious with your eloquence, than eloquent with your religion. "

Sturg -
I have no idea, but the dialog in that movie is just wonderful ... The crazy old man killing people in the hospital . Diana Rigg bringing in an Indian shaman, George C. Scott as the burnt out doctor.

Sweet

Yesterday was Ted Stevens birthday.

Happy birthday Ted !

OOOOOOOO Hospital one of my favorite movies and thanks for bringing up Kavorka...I've always wondered.....

I get it now....it was the parakleet which throwed me.....lol.........I guess it's parakeet......meaning he's not much in the animal magnetism dept. or in the wrath game......

1959 Ford cancels the Edsel

too much kavorka and you wind up kevorkianed

corey.....I was wondering whether someone should check with him to ascertain the advisability of talking about "Movies"........

It may be just Patty screwing around. It's mentioned several times, and they're using " cleat " not "keet".

The Kavorka was used in a Seinfeld, I gotta think they were going right back the "Hospital" for that one.

Parakleet is een begrip uit het Nieuwe Testament wat wel vertaald wordt met de Heilige Geest. Het Griekse woord παράκλητος betekent ongeveer hij die helpt of bijstaat. De grondlegger Montanus van de vroegchristelijke sekte der Montanisten noemde zichzelf parakleet.

He had me right up to the "religious myths" part. I guess we can find out which myths we can talk about.

Sturg -

We'll get Rosie to show him how to use the scroll button.

He talks about the prediction of Moses (pbuh) and the mention of the Prophet of Islam in earlier holy books. He is also identified as Parakleet in the Greek Bible, which says that he would come to complete the mission of earlier prophets. He cites William Muir's observation in the Life of Mahomet that Parakleet is an apt description for the prophet of Islam.

http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15052001/sign.htm

Signpost
A Hindu view of Islam
By M. Zeyaul Haque

the prior quote is from the page above.....link on prior post.

now Im back to wondering about parakleet of kavorka....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-174935

Ping
Your agenda is clear.You want bankruptcy to nullify the union contracts and throw the UAW under the bus and the workers! Have you ever been a member of a union? I am a proud UAW Local 598 member for 23 years! Tell me hasn't unionism been on the decline in this country since your hero Ronald Reagan was President?How is the American worker been better off without unions? Where's the rise in real wages and benefits for the average U.S. worker????

Chapter 11 -

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one need a line of credit, or lines of credit to reorganize ? And aren't the banks barely lending to each other, much less lending to a bunch of Triceratops on life support ?

tonyb39 -

Here's why the Republicans lost the last 2 elections :

United States National Debt
An Analysis of the Presidents Who Are Responsible for the Borrowing

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

Anon
Thanks for that link!

Could the folks running those pro-union ads have picked a worse time for that fight? More pay, more benefits = please ship our jobs overseas.

Argh--23-deg at Kaserne Ohlfahrt this morning; 38-deg in NYC. Is something wrong, already?

Anon

That is the problem. If the banks were lending, the car companies could go chapter 11 and reorganize, but the banks aren't lending yet. That means the tax payer has to abe the bank. I don't like it, but I can understand the bail out, particularly since there actually seem to be a majority on both sides of the aisle coming up with reasons for doing so.

My only demand would be a top to bottom scrubbing of all executive luxuries (Romney's dad did this before), $1 a year salaries until they came up with a complete business plan. Ping is right only to the extent that the legacy costs are monumental and hurts them competitively even with foreign cars built here who get breaks that the Detroit makers don't get. It's time for tit for tat in the competition department world wide.

A universal health care system of some sort for these major corporations would help.

From the founding of the republic to the election of Reagan, our country took on 1 Trillion in debt. The rise of the right wing's theories about the economy have driven the agenda for nearly 30 years. So what do we have to show for it ?

A box of rocks, and a bucket of ashes.

"Where's the rise in real wages and benefits for the average U.S. worker????"

Yes, this country's manufacturing offered solid work opportunities because of the unions. And look what has happened in the country since 1980 -- wages are stagnant. Everything else is skyhigh.

This is from last night....it's important...more Bush-BS waiting for President Obama...

http://www.takepart.com/2008/11/18/bush-administration-turns-appointments-into-civil-posts-in-interior-department/

tonyb39 -
Reagan had no problem selling out his union members when he saw a chance to suck-up to GE.

I have an underground tape of Julie London in a studio cussing like a sailor about the arrangement, the musicians, etc etc......also on the tape is the infamous Buddy Rich on the tour bus berating (a mild word) his young band members......hilarious.........

The companies where I live have often held the same view on wages. Pay less money per hour to their workers, make up for it by giving out quarterly bonuses. But, most places now can't afford to give out bonuses. At least not to hourly workers.

In keeping with the religious theme....did anyone post this find in Syria yesterday?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/healthscience/18soul.php

tonyb39 -
Reagan had no problem selling out his union members when he saw a chance to suck-up to GE.

not the first ones Ronnie Raygun sold out.......

Patsi,

I'm evil. About half way through the first paragraph on that news article I'm thinking ... If you can't fire the executive, rename the department and appoint a new head.

Leave the Bush appointee sitting in a plush office with absolutely nothing to do and then start civil service procedures to declare them redundant. At some point they will either go quietly off to some think tank with a nice bonus and rep in hand or you will fire their useless posterior and tell the world why.

The Gettysburg Address

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground.The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

----------------------------

Today is the 145 anniversary

-----------------------------
The Only Known Photograph of President Lincoln
at the dedication of the
Civil War cemetery at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania,
November 19, 1863.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1512410

50 percent more US children went hungry in 2007...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/america/18hunger.php

"... If you can't fire the executive, rename the department and appoint a new head. "

Well done, Jamie!!!!!

Thomas Friedman on Larry King last night speaking of T. Boone Pickens -

"He's my friend .............................. and god bless him."

Friedman and Ted Turner praise T. Boone in the same week .

Can Jesus be far behind ?

"have an underground tape of Julie London in a studio cussing like a sailor "

sturge -- aha...the Patsy Cline studio style. (She didn't cuss out anyone in particular -- just loved profanities!)

Still more last minute Bush-BS:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/america/abort.php

And more pirate news for patd:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/19/africa/pirate.php

Horsey on the topic of the day -

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1864

A sexy song before I go....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VMYlJv3VVk

jamie, good job. and wouldn't they also be subject to a probationary period as described in excerpt from us dept of state personnel webpage:

".....Civil Service employees serving on an initial appointment to a supervisory or managerial position are also required to serve a probationary period, which is, usually, one year. Generally, if the employee does not perform satisfactorily during this period, he/she shall be returned to a position in the agency of no lower grade and pay than the position he/she left to accept the managerial supervisory position. In some instances, however, the employee may be terminated and does not have appeal rights. (See 5 CFR part 315, Subpart H and I)."

Craig

A fix is in the works, it just depends where they get the money from. McConnell and Bush have their ideas and the Democrats have theirs.
Meanwhile my Republican senator will be up for re-election in 2 years. Part of his core is those old Reagan democrats, a great many of them retired UAW workers who got rich enough to vote Republican.

Until it is done, you have to let the blowhards blow for a while and put on show hearing so pompous ignorant politicians can lecture the Auto executives , who will show contriteness they don't feel and in the end they will all get together for a drink.
(being careful to stand while drinking)

Jack

Now aren't we useful

I fix the Environment an Jack takes care of the Auto industry ... let's go have a drink

It's 5:00 O'Clock Somewhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib8nH4kHjxk

Anon-- Great Horsey cartoon!

patd -- interesting about the probationary period...

Jamie

Haven't we seen this all before, Somewhere?

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Jack

ahoy, patsi, me hearty! those scallywags need feel the cat o nine on em and walked off the plank t be sure.

seriously folks, this piracy stuff is well armed, well organized and getting big time serious.

FROM HELEN:
So the oil companies are once again boasting record profits and yet the auto makers are asking for some government cheese. Does anyone else see the irony here? So I’ve got a little trickle down theory of my own. As long as Detroit continues to make cars for the Gas-Capades let the oil companies bail them out. It’s a “robbing Peter to pay Paul” kind of thing except in this case Peter and Paul seem to be riding the short bus… and it’s not to save on gas.

Margaret and Helen
Best Friends for Sixty Years and Counting…

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/government-cheese-of-a-different-kind/

Hmm, they could look through the ranks of retired four-stars and choose a no-holds-barred executive. Bring him back to active duty and make him the CEO.

(Would have been gender neutral, but there are no retired female four-star GOs).

Patd

And as the major sea power it is our job to control it, instead we are dicking around in places we don't belong.
Another GWB screwup.

Jack

anon, tell helen she won the gold star for today's best economy fix. terrific idea. and i like her scooter, but what's the boat their on and is it pirate proof?

correction: their= they're

"Another GWB screwup."

jack, so many more to go and so little time left

"seriously folks, this piracy stuff is well armed, well organized and getting big time serious."

Patd, we'll send in the Marines as soon as they get close to Tripoli. More seriously, in the case of cargo vessels, virtually none are U.S. flagged, and most of the cargo is owned by entities with no U.S. connection.

If the insurance companies and the shippers want to pay us big bucks or, in the case of oil, guaranteed supply, for going after the pirates then...

Who used to 'own' the Horn of Africa--Italy? Let them clean-up the mess.

Flatus

The Generals are all busy working for defense industry, Mostly for marketing reasons. In that business if you haven't got a general on the payroll you're not working. Although, I'm told by my resident expert, Colonels are better at the marketing. They can sneak in, talk to the folks that need talking to and nobody is the wiser. When a general shows up he gets the full treatment.

Jack

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Flatus -- Did you see the piracy map patd posted yesterday? Pretty shocking and concentrated.

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=visualization&controller=visualization.googlemap&Itemid=89&phpMyAdmin=F5XY3CeBeymbElbQ8jr4qlxK1J3

Jack

The Generals are all sitting in a line of offices that most contractors call "The Elephant Burial Ground". They don't actually work. They lunch .... long, long lunches.

The retired Colonels talk to the active duty folks to get the requisitions and bids customed designed so that only one company can qualify for the contract.

Yes there are many retired officers who line their pockets. They would not be candidates for this type of position.

I've known generals who have an incredibly low threshold when it comes to criticism of their former brothers who feed at the trough. That would be the type of candidate I would choose.

The chosen one would be placed on active duty with the taxpayers paying his pitifully low salary.

Space shuttle Endeavour mission specialist Heide Stefanyshyn-Piper yesterday dropped her toolbag as she and Steve Bowen worked outside the International Space Station, in the process consigning to oblivion "two grease guns, scrapers, several wipes and tethers and some tool caddies".

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/19/dropped_toolbag/

Surgeons in Spain have carried out the world's first tissue-engineered whole organ transplant - using a windpipe made with the patient's own stem cells.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7735696.stm

Patsi, yes, I saw the map and then went to the narratives of the incidents. The masters of many of the attacked vessels were successful in evading the pirates. There are lessons to be learned from them.

At some point, it has to become cost effective for the vessel owners to put trained fighters with heavy ordnance on the vessels. It appears that we haven't reached that point.

Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- BASF SE, the world's largest chemical company, lowered its profit forecast for the second time and plans to idle 80 factories after customers in the auto, construction and textile industries reduced orders.

The German maker of styrene will also cut production at an additional 100 plants and a total 20,000 workers will be affected by the measures,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSNcTUK7bc6k&refer=home

A history lesson -
In 1973 when the first Arab Oil Embargo hit, the Danes chose to tax themselves to discourage the use of oil. They now make 1 out of every 3 wind turbines produced in the world.

33% of all the electric generating capacity added in the United States last year was from wind.

Solar....
LOVE the Jesus posts.....
and the fact that they annoy the resident bully......... priceless!

Jamie..... I like it when you play evil......

and for a song and video dripping with sensuality....... nothing beats Alannah Myles "Black Velvet"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut09zkRoG0g

From the News you can use file -

Nazi leader Hitler really did have only one ball
Hitler really did have only one ball, according to claims by a German army medic who saved the Führer's life during the First World War.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3481932/Nazi-leader-Hitler-really-did-have-only-one-ball.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175008

This "pollution" tax is one of the suggestions of "Hot, Flat, and Crowded" to force people to stop using oil and spur development of green technology. The higher gas tax could be offset with some sort of rebate to low income folks so that what would otherwise be regressive would help them during the transition.

The U.S. either gets ahead of the curve or gets left in the dust. Third world is not a great place to live.

The Hitler story will be a real ice breaker at parties.

remember when you'd take your baby to the little local playground and there was this one unsufferable little brat who made the entire playground experience simply a drag for all the other children there......and this kid was ALWAYS at the playground......?

and Patsi....
I know in actuality that Barry Manilow is a sweetheart of a guy....

I wouldn't be surprised at any football player admitting he listened to him....
Rosey Grier set the standard for such admissions with telling the world he loved to relax by doing needlepoint....

but it's still fun to make fun of his white suit and some of his more drippy songs.....

and his parents didn't dare criticize the little critter......reminds me of that book, EVERYTHING I KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN or something like that...........

A hot sensual song is one written and sung by Lynda Carter of Wonder Woman fame. It was on her 1977 album PORTRAIT.

The song is called "Fantasy Man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG5f589K0ws

Another word towards our goal of 70,000 -

'monorchic' - the medical word for the condition -

Work that into a book advising a new president.

Eartha Kitt
My Heart Belongs To Daddy
http://www.last.fm/music/Eartha+Kitt/_/My+Heart+Belongs+To+Daddy

Eartha Kitt before she learned to growl :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS02GeKuWQ4

Let's see -

Bailouts
Pirates
Wind turbines
Barry Manilow
Lynda Carter
Hitler had 1 ball
Eartha Kitt

That's about right.

Let's not do Eartha after all. I just remembered the first time I ever saw her on the screen:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044963/

and of course ......
any list of sensual songs wouldn't be complete without Marilyn Monroe's "Happy Birthday Mr. President".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4SLSlSmW74

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175020

Anon,

Typical day in the Crawford corral

Marilyn - Let's Make Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XzHFQErm9w

Don't know much about this, but it caught my eye because of all the talk of Piracy lately.

Somali Pirates At Sea
Time for an anti-piracy coalition of the willing.
"Whatever the particular solutions to these essentially operational quandaries, the first step is diplomatic. The U.S., by default, has assumed primary responsibility for policing the waters off Somalia and its vicinity. Now it should call on all governments and private concerns with interests in the safety and security of those waters to meet and determine precisely how to achieve them."
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/11/18/somalia-pirates-ships-oped-cx_js_1119stevenson.html

u wanna talk about wicked----jamie is wicked and so is RR,,,after watching those 2 songs they put up----i took a shower,,,,and put on some smelly stuff-------we have a side drive way, and the door that opens up into the kitchen,,,,,and cos of those dirty dirty dirty songs u made me hear just now,,i am perched on top of the refrigerator waiting to pounce on mz crete----she is only 5ft 4" and 105 lbs so if she gets hurt,,,jamie and rr im getting pogo!

It may not fit theme, but I've never got tried of this one -

White Bird - It's a beautiful day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmb69MdeJBc

Or it's newer offspring -

Enya - Orinoco Flow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a88-Tyl1gkI

Eartha Kitt ...

Where is My Man...

BRILLIANT SONG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjF6IUB0PE

Mr. Crete

No pouncing - Take notes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBYOVywYMno

Same disclaimer here. The key word, it seems to me, is 'short-term'.

Why GM Deserves Support
Short-term government backing can preserve a vital industry.
"At General Motors, we have been responding to fierce competition here and abroad by transforming our business. Over the past decade, we have taken tough actions to cut costs, at the same time investing billions in fuel-efficient vehicles and new generations of advanced propulsion technologies.
Short-term government support to bridge the current financial crisis will enable GM to continue as an engine for prosperity and as a creator of vehicles and technologies that America needs. Such assistance will save millions of jobs now, and produce enormous benefits for years to come."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122705733362939557.html

Solar....

shhhhh...... don't tell anyone....

but I am the Wicked Witch of the East.....

in reality....... Dorothy missed!

Witchy Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jb7OmpGw5k

"The masters of many of the attacked vessels were successful in evading the pirates. There are lessons to be learned from them.

At some point, it has to become cost effective for the vessel owners to put trained fighters with heavy ordnance on the vessels."

Very good points, Flatus....

"and Patsi....
I know in actuality that Barry Manilow is a sweetheart of a guy...."

Good to know. I remember when Barry did some album of standards, I phoned a friend who worked for Arista in LA and asked for a copy. He was FLOORED. Said: "Jesus, I thought you were more of a Steve Earle kind of person."

I laughed because I've always had a soft spot for "some" Manilow tunes. Others...well...NOT. ut I remember really liking that particular album of standards.

Plus he gave healthy checks to a LOT of Democratic candidates this year....

I used to like some of the Manilow tunes in the old days quite a bit. But his music isn't as timeless as some of the other music that was out at the time. So now he doesn't get as much respect.

"Eartha Kitt ...

Where is My Man..."

Whoa -- Gotta love that loooong '80s techno-intro! I have a couple of songs I wrote that I can no longer pitch because of those kind of tracks! Ha!

Patsi

Thanks for that---monument to the soul info---------Archaeology ---Anthropology, combine the two and u get history,,,,and add a little sociology ,,and u get a pretty good idea of what was going on at that time

The soul-----i believe was first discovered by-----the first thinking with a brain, ancient Hunter Gatherers -----that were witness to some kind of energy leaving ( release ) the body of their fallen commrades in battle, or by some game they hunted---i think this is what some soldiers expeirance and never want to talk about it-----they don't know?????

Sturg thank again--for filling in -----that Islam site fills in yet again with what i have now,,,,and thanks for your support,,,

The problem that i have some times with unions is that , not only that if i want to do a city, state, or gov, job, i have to pay scale---now this is fine with me,,,,what i object to is that they force me to pay all the benefit costs,,,,i know damn well that all of the money that i put in are not going into the worker retirement actt,,,,,,,,it also goes into the greedy pockets of the leaders--------this is a major problem and i also think is the way to keep small contractors out of the bidding process--------Universal health ins....would solve this in a major way?????

Another sensual song of sorts...

HUMAN from the film STUCK ON YOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nz_lQ2NKwo

And then, "It's a man's world" - This version is quite sensual...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmYSnQh2eo4&NR=1

Jamie -- maybe you remember this story....there was an incident in a cafe in LA years ago...Bary Manilow was in there with some record people, and another artist was at another booth -- made some really ugly comments about Manilow, in a loud voice. I remember reading about it and thinking the other guy must be a complete asshole. But now I can't recall who it was....

ONE BY ONE... written by Cher ... adding to my list of sensual songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfoeMFrTauk

Hey! this aint no raido station----get back to bashing pallin----or im tellin----Jack

Be careful, Solar -- or I'll start posting recipes and country music trivia.

And so....here's my favorite YouTube -- Roger Miller singing to a bunch of chickens on the Muppet Show...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDGXqVUzeiA

Patsi, We already do recipes. How about some insider gossip?

Kerry named to replace Biden as Chair of Senate Foreign Affairs Committee. That puts him out of the SoS running.

Just get 'er done already so the TV yackers can move on to Treasury

Good Morning all-

Glad 'we've been discussing anything but what the media has to say. Wish they would just say- "well, shit, we got nothing new to say today, so we'll just check in with all those folks in New Orleans or the poor people in CA that lost their homes, or just abut anything other than trashing the Clintons. Maybe they could just run the reruns of West Wing and critique them.
Here's my list of songs to get you in the mood. I know it's a bit over 10 but we're not talking about restraint .
Wonderful Tonight- Eric Clapton
Always on My Mind- Willy Nelson
Let's Stay Together- Al Green
You Make Me Fell Brand New- Stylistics
UnChained Melody- Righteous Brothers
Hungry Eyes-Eric Carmen- figure this might not appeal to the dudes out there
Amazed- Paul McCartney
Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow-the Shirelles
In The Still Of The Night- The Platters
The Best Is Yet To Come- Tony Bennett
Fly Me To The Moon- Frank Sinatra
The Longest Time- Billy JOel
Crazy Love- Van Morrison
Only Wanna Be With You - Hootie & the Blowfish
Someone Like You- Van Morrison
Lady in Red- Clapton
How sweet is is- James Taylor
Peaceful Easy Feeling- the eagles
Walkin After Midnight- Patsy Cline- Had a tough time with this pick. Patsy's voice is SO sexy in Crazy, but really just makes you wanna cry in your beer. Walking is more about pent up energy
Sexual Healing- Marvin Gaye- kinda obvious

Forgot -Santa Baby by Eartha

A little Good News - Anne Murray

For OSH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqUUQElQ8kM

Well it ain't chinkens, but it's not bad either -

Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
Leonard Bernstein as pianist, conducting some band in London &
Capt Picard on Trombone

pt.1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiyc9Ak3EtQ

pt.2/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOcuvv01nO4

BOLERO-RAVEL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4J5j74VPw

Hey Anon, Thanks anyways, I think we've got it figured out. I was trying to use a shopping cart like os commerce but it is pretty much all html. I'm just going to use paypal's cart, its secure and hope customers don't mind. My credit card company would be happy to add one for a monthly fee, on top of a higher percentage. What a racket. If you have any better ideas , please let me know.

My folks come from farm country in mexico--------mexiccan william hill music is just as wonderful-----we have our own patsy cline etc etc,,,,some times i love to put on real old movies and watch all the old singer that aare on them with the same kind of songs

Dinner with Gershwin... big hit in Europe, but not in the USA... Pity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGU2uRGBrtA

Beck's Bolero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbx-Qgt65bI

ET- If only they'd listen to that song!

Old Sea -

Look into Google's cart, and then there's this stuff :

In Web Design / HTML: shopping carts

http://webdesign.about.com/sitesearch.htm?terms=shopping%20carts&SUName=webdesign&TopNode=99

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175051

Anon,

I doubt the pianer man will amount to much and that Picard guy is pretty far out there. The Band probably has a future.

Anon, Why do you prefer Google?

Old Sea -
Who's your host ?

linda R does a pretty good job ---in conciones de mi padre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB-V95tXdsQ

BOLERO-RAVEL

Watch the woman's face @ 4 min. in ..... she's clearly enjoying herself.
It's really a great performance.

Stupid American

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2U_KRpz5NY

I use start logic. Might switch to globat though. Startlogic was a cool little co. in Phoenix and use to get all these computer geeks for techs. They were great, but now they have outsourced (they say to Canada, but I can't understand them, sure sound like they are from India to me, and not techies either) . We built our website on dreamweaver, didn't want to use all those templates all the hosts offer. Also, learned the hard way that hosts change platforms and then your site becomes obsolete , it remains but no way of making changes.

Old Sea -
It's been a while, but if I remember google may take a smaller cut than pay pal.
I could be wrong though.

Your host doesn't offer a cart ?

Daschle - Health and Human Services

Geography Lesson for Americans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esbS_vT25GU&feature=related

Good one Solar -
Linda does Zevon almost as well

Linda Ronstadt- Poor, Poor Pitiful Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgxK_LcQEHI

They offer a cart , set it up last week only to find out that it is limited to 15 items, but for 30 dollars a month more I could have more items. This has been a pain in the neck. Ran a national ad and of course the holidays are here, just about the worst time possible. I don't ship in the summer so I hadn't made any changes to my products till last month and then I found that it was impossible to do. I'll check out Google, probably helps with the searches too. I love their Analytics. Just added that to my new site, screwed up a bit though- some of my html code is showing on my home page! Haven't had the courage to go back and change it yet.

Congratulations GORDO , you found a new topic.

Jamie....
just heard about Daschle on CNN..... they said he'd quit his job at a Washington law firm....
all I could think was "Washington law firm?.... I thought his home was in South Dakota"...... just goes to show ya how enamored and entrenched politicians become about the Beltway.....

Patsi.....
making fun of Barry's suit on a blog is one thing.....
but actually being rude to him in person is definitely assholic behavior in my book....

and for some fun and dancin music---take a peek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmXMJ5GQA0s

gonna hit the bow flex with this one,,,and it is not so cold today and a lot of sun-------all these tunes put me in a good mood---later

Old Sea -

E commerce it's quick, it's easy , it's secure ......

Pin balling along -

Harry Nilsson - Jump Into the Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K86KHSYkgIU

Harry Nilsson - Coconut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbgv8PkO9eo

XR-----WAKE UP------this song is for u-----told u not to get me all riled up;;;;hahahahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKnX_7kCapc

Said "doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."

Howard Stern Interviews smart Obama supporters In Harlem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c

Deep thought -

The 10 cent movie was a cheap escape from the grim reality of the 30's
U - Tube is the the same thing for the 21st century.

Any song by Sade or Weird Al...just depends.

More pirate news: The Indian Navy has sunk a pirate "mother ship"

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world/20081119/Piracy/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175073

RR

That probably has to do with his wife's job as a Transportation.lobbyist

Here's an old article about them from when he was considering a Presidential run. Cute Title: Daschles "hillary" problem

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0201.mencimer.html

GORDO -

You couldn't find Stern interviewing a porn star ?

"The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?

"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175081

Anon,

Not until they start giving away dishes and carnival glass

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_307739.html

http://www.campelloantiques.com/brimfieldpics/BrimfieldMay05/Carnival%20glass.jpg

Ayman al-Zawahiri and Sean Hannity both hate Obama -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7737710.stm

______________

I'd call that a Good House Keeping Seal of Approval.

Jamie -

Nice ......... How about coupons for bandwidth ?

please add this to the trail mix list of salacious music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWADYjeGAM

MOGADISHU, Somalia -- Somalia's increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women - even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1105ap_af_pirate_boomtown.html

------------------------
Next up :

CAPTAIN MOGADISHU RUM

RELEASE THE VAULT COPY: What's the problem?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/release-the-vau.html

A Google ad at the bottom of my last link -

advertising
Ads by Google
Somali Girls Dating

Date sexy Somali women. Hot Somali
girls. Date Somalia girls free now!

www.Muslims4Marriage.com

Next time Alabama falls on it's ass, for whatever the reason. No money for them, not one stinkin' nickle. It's only fair for the torture of listening to Shelby talk about the GM bailout.

"What's the problem?"

----------------------------------

Indeed what is the problem ?

and this lascivious little ditty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45-6duFvfuI

mind you, this is all in the interest of providing more interesting words and inspiring thoughts to further the writing chore of our gracious host.
craig, your words for today: salacious and lascivious.

This could be a problem -

Astronomers Detect Matter Torn Apart By Black Hole

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081118095852.htm

Or this could be a problem -

Billions Of Particles Of Anti-matter Created In Laboratory

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193019.htm

Even this looks like trouble -

New Planet Discovered Orbiting Dangerously Close To Giant Star

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081118141712.htm

anon, take two of these and get some rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

Yet another problem -

NASA Satellites Capture Images Of Southern California Wildfires

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117163354.htm

What does BASF stand for?

Bad Mixing
Air Voiding
Shrinking
Foam

Blame
Another
Supplier
First

The one department I used to work in made our foam from chemicals we got from BASF. For a long time we had problems with our foam. Our Quality Engineer was close buddies with a guy who worked at BASF, so he refused to blame BASF for the problems with our foam. So, we started making up those little jokes about BASF. But, our boss finally told us "Our supplier BASF has been having some problems. It's probably not a good idea to make fun of them."

patd -

I was thinking a shot of CAPTAIN MOGADISHU'S RUM.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175097

patd

With that writing assignment hanging over his head, he is probably closer to lugubrious

The House Democratic Steering Committee has nominated Henry A. Waxman to be chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee next year — a stinging rebuke of the sitting chairman, John D. Dingell .

Waxman won a 25-22 vote over Dingell in a closed-door meeting Wednesday by the Steering panel. Because Dingell got more than 13 votes, he can be nominated to run against Waxman at Thursday’s Democratic Caucus meeting, at which all of the Democrats elected to the 111th Congress are eligible to vote.

Anon --------------------------

"What's the problem?"

The problem is SoetorObama's "hidden" past !!!

Is he Constitutionally eligible for the office of POTUS?

Has he been using an illegal name (BHO) for about 30 years?

Documents are held back for a reason -- they are very damaging. If Barry Soetoro has nothing to hide, release certified hardcopies of documents that prove he is eligible for POTUS and his legal name is BHO.

Patd,,why u--------------had to look up lascivious -------wanna dance???

Here's another problem -

( Metaphor Alert )

You can either use the net learn more about black holes, or you can fall into them.

Anon---don't go near the Bermuda triangle-----if you don't want to fall into one.

Back to the topic -

Chinese Want To Buy the Big 3 Automakers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/chinese-want-to-buy-the-b_b_144920.html

--------------------------
Jane asks some very good questions .

" With no big three making cars what's to stop Toyota and Honda from moving the plants to Mexico where costs are really low. Its only the threat of being shut out of the American market that keeps the Japanese building cars here. If we no longer have cars made in America by American companies we will have no choice but to buy their cars no matter where they are made. "

Solar -
I'm keeping out of British Columbia as well , Sasquatch might mug me for my beef jerky.

My wife and I have decided to institute our own recovery plan for the auto makers. Our issue is we both want a new vehicle but we're only buying one for now. She wants a new Yukon Denali and I want a new
F150.....any bets on who'll win this one

Jax -

There's a dealership somewhere that's offering a buy one a get another one for a dollar.

Gordo,
I appreciate and enjoy reading your posts. It helps drive alot of discussion here. I just wish you didn't refer to the President Elect with derogatory nicknames. I think that your case can be made and even look a little more professional if you didn't....

I realize that alot of the names and references are just payback for Bush bashing but it just turns me off.

We're not getting that good of a deal but both are offering 0% financing for 5 yrs with about 10% down....not bad

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175112

Of course they do, Any of the three are a bargain.
If they are serious the one they can pickup and nobody will notice is chrysler. Ford and GM have flag waving issues tied to them.

Jack

Jax

Gas is $1.44 here in the Kansas City area.

Looks like it is heading for a buck.

Jack

Buy a Pacifica, get a PT Cruiser for a buck!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/18/buy-a-pacifica-get-a-pt-cruiser-for-a-buck/

Jack,
We're at $1.60 here in Houston. I have alot of friends in the oil industry and they say that jobs here are safe until oil hits $40.00/barrel. At that point a lot of new development becomes marginal.

I do know that alot of refiners in the area are putting off signifiant increases in capacity....several are already so far along that they will finish.

Anon

Have you ever ridden in a PT cruiser. I've bobtailed semi tractors on missouri highways and got a smoother ride.

A buck is too much money, It took a week for my back to recover when my wife rented one and we took it for a weekend trip.

Jack

And if we like Chinese milk products, toys, or dog food, we'll love their cars.

" I've bobtailed semi tractors on missouri highways and got a smoother ride. "

Damn that's funny, I've done that too.

I like the look of PT Cruisers, but they do suck to ride in...

Euro,
When I was in Antwerp this year I rented a car and was all excited that I would drive some little European sedan....nope PT cruiser.....I was dissappointed

Anon

That is the problem, chinese cars have a bad reputation and their technology isn't that good. If they buy an American company they get a better brand and they get the latest technology, Also they get instant access to the American market.

Jack

Yesterday it was Htchens. Today it is sleezebag Dick Morris. I can just see some staffer being told ... Go find someone totally biased with a burning hatred for Hillary Clinton so that we can quote them every ten minutes.

Why bother to actually discuss the pros and cons of an issue when you have a quote from the oh so moral and upright prostitute toe sucker to liven things up.

HOUSTON (Reuters) — U.S. oil demand for the first 10 months of 2008 fell at rates not seen since the recessions of the early 1980s, the American Petroleum Institute said Wednesday.

U.S. petroleum deliveries — a measure of demand — averaged just 19.6 million barrels per day (bpd) in the January-October period, lowest since 2000 and down 5% from the same period in 2007.

It was the sharpest demand drop since the early 1980s, API said.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html

the only time we've ever bought a Chrysler product was a 1984 small Dodge Ram truck (they don't make them anymore)..... it was my truck and since I work at home, it lasted a long time..... I thought it was wonderful that an American car company made such a trouble free vehicle..... then I found out it had a Mitsubishi engine in it.....

Jamie..... MSNBC is nothing but a crapfest!

RR,

The way the Clinton coverage is going I'm expecting them to drag in Scrawny Coulter as a character reference. :-)

Well my laugh cup runneth over, the mental picture of WiskeyJ
bobtailin' in Mo., and TraderJ in a PT Cruiser in the Euro Zone ........ well that's a cartoon for the evening. I'll put that one on the Tivo in my head.

PT Cruisers = Neon with a better body

TraderJ -
Let me guess ;

You're 6'4" ?

Right now is the time that i start looking at the auctions,,,,,have had very good luck with the cost and quality,,,,,,this time im going to wait until late january ---looking to pick up a cpl of dump truck for a great price,,and maybe a backhoe in the bargain-------there is going to be concrete forms galore, will be looking in the Michigan and indiana areas-----if i see a big mobile crane i will forget all, and buy the crane-------it is a one man operation,,,and always in demand.

Anon,
I have to stretch to make 5" 11".....I'm not a real Texan...I'm a transplanted Floridian.

jaxtrader --------------------

"... derogatory nicknames."

Derogatory? What is his legal name ---Soetoro or Obama ? I combine the two -- SoetorObama.
------------------------------------------
Lolo Soetoro, was Stanley Ann's (Dunham - mother) second husband. It's believed that BHO was adopted by Lolo and his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro.

BHO lived in Indonesia from about the age six to ten. At ten, he returned to HI to live with his grandparents.
--------------
Indonesian School Record:

Name - Barry Soetoro

Nationality - Indonesian

Religion - Islam

http://countusout.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barrysoetoro.jpg?w=340&h=427

=======================
"I realize that alot of the names and references are just payback for Bush bashing ..."

I am NOT a Repub. PUMA

Hey a little MSNBC gossip

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/media/19abrams.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

A Former Anchor, Dan Abrams, to Form a Consulting Firm

"The firm, Abrams Research, may resemble a narrowly focused version of “expert network” firms that connect investors to industry experts. Journalists and bloggers retained and paid by the firm could consult with corporations, conduct media training sessions, or conduct investigative reporting for corporate clients...............
...... He said he was especially interested in connecting bloggers with businesses that had trouble dealing with online media. ."

Jack

lol
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175139

Jax you stepped into it.

Jack

Solar

It is a time to invest a little money if you have it and up grade to better equipment.

I like the crane idea. much easier then lugging those forms all over the jobsite.

Jack

Gordo,
I know the whole reasoning....to me it's still a dig and its meant to be demeaning. I don't think it helps your message.

It's ok do what you like.....it's just my opinion

Daschle, a former Senate majority leader, would head the agency that will handle the incoming administration's efforts to expand health insurance coverage, a Democratic source says.

Now I remember, Tom Daschle is all about change. So is his wife the lobbyist. Lots of old Washington faces starting to show up.

The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

TraderJ -

The first image was 6' 4 " and 250 in that PT.

Foreign automakers are also suffering from lower U.S. sales. Japanese automaker Toyota Motor Corp. said Wednesday it will reduce production in the U.S. It will stop production at all plants in the U.S. and Canada for two extra days next month in addition to the regular holiday work stoppage. Toyota also said it would cut about half of 500 temporary workers at a plant in Georgetown, Ky., by March, company spokeswoman Kayo Doi said.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/apwire/1f2c3c4cef604fdacc1145170374ae88.htm

Ford closed at $1.30 today.

note: it's already tomorrow in this australian article.
http://news.theage.com.au/world/bill-clinton-to-help-wife-get-state-job-20081120-6br3.html

"Bill Clinton reportedly has agreed to help his wife's vetting process for the secretary of state position by releasing the names of several major donors to his charitable foundation.

He also will submit future foundation activities and paid speeches to a strict ethics review, said Democrats knowledgeable about the discussions.

They also said that Clinton would step away from day-to-day responsibility for his foundation while his wife serves and would alert the State Department to his speaking schedule and any new sources of income.

Since Senator Clinton has emerged as a top contender for the state job, currently held by Condoleezza Rice, her husband's international business deals and the fundraising he has done for his foundation and presidential library have come under careful review by Obama's transition team.

Bill Clinton had indicated earlier that he would be willing to significantly increase the transparency of those activities if it would boost Hillary Clinton's chances of getting the job.

A team of lawyers is representing the Clintons in negotiations with Obama officials, in talks which have taken place this week at a law firm in Washington."

Bow,
I keep hoping but I have to admit......it's starting to look grim for any new faces.......My next door neighbor....big lib dem told me that he thinks BO doesn't know many people to turn to.

here's the ap hrc sos story (1 hour ago)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5izQosMtCfjNjE1uAP6fQV2BZ_qWwD94I74P80

GM and Credit Default Swaps

The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation reports that there are over $65bn in credit default swaps naming GM as the reference credit. According to its most recent financial statements, GM has a total of $36 to 38bn in outstanding long-term debt, the kind associated with CDSs. Obviously not all of the protection buyers hold GM debt. There is a lot of money bet against GM’s survival, and the holders of that protection have a real reason to want GM to fail. I’d call that gambling, and I explain why in this diary. It’s important to note that the losses won’t affect GM. Only the protection sellers will have to pay off the bets.

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1884

Jax,

I don't understand, he has about a couple million friends on Facebook.

looks like it boils down to
1. bill gives up donor list, she gets sos
or
2. powers that be don't want hrc to accept sos offer and promise sen chair of notable stature/interest

Jaxtrader

It looks to me as if he is putting his Illinois and campaign folks in the White house and Kitchen cabinet. He is drawing on the Clinton old hands and deputies to handle the Washington and world wide connections.

It actually isn't a bad idea ... Hit the ground running with people who know their way around while keeping your trusted people close for advice and in as deputies in training.

Get a couple of years under their belts and they will be the "Obama old hands" for the next four to six years as the original cabinet goes on about their business if they desire to do so.

I found a good song that discribes how the Reps. are feeling about now. Listen to the words and ignore the cute baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS3yE5mnLdM

Change -

That Waxman / Dingell fight is about change. Digby has it nailed along with several others :

Matt Stoller wrote a piece yesterday about the fight over the Energy and Commerce Committee chairmanship between John Dingell and Henry Waxman and he points out that the outcome of this is probably far more important to a progressive agenda than all this sturm and drang about Lieberman and he's right. Waxman is an effective, green progressive and he knows how to get things done. Dingel is an elder who is discredited by his relationship with the auto industry and the NRA. If pragmatic change rather than milquetoast status quo bipartisanship is what people voted for, this is where the action is.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/backing-waxman-by-digby-matt-stoller.html

It's "Divinity" day in sturgeonville.....

http://i.timeinc.net/recipes/i/recipes/sl/00/12/divinity-candy-sl-258139-l.jpg

Like the candy?

candy.......cookie........I dont know what you'd call it exactly......but it's Divinity Inc.

My Great-Gram used to make it, but you can't make it on really humid days or it falls. White divinity.

Don't much care for it, but it always sounded good especially in "The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe"

I hope Bill Richardson gets SOS if Hillary dosen't go for it.

http://gmfactsandfiction.com/
Hey all
I just received an e-mail from GM asking me to take a look at this sight....

"Beginning to look like the concept of Hillary as SOS is falling apart."

No doubt. The media has always loved the Clinton drama and intrigue. We have to listen to some of it all over again. imo Its a bad choice, not for the Clintons' political capabilities, but for all the baggage associated with having to work with them. It's never easy dealing with those two.

Eric Holder ...not so much
http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/eric-holder-four-more-years-of-depravity-at-doj/

As U.S. Attorney in Washington, D.C., Eric Holder sought to raise marijuana penalties and restore mandatory minimum penalties for drug crimes. From the Washington Times, December 5, 1996 (via Lexis.com):

Eric Holder yesterday said he will seek to make marijuana distribution in the District a felony and reinstate mandatory-minimum sentences for convicted drug dealers. Mr. Holder,...said the D.C. Council's vote a year ago to repeal mandatory minimums was "misguided," leading to a backlog in the court system. He also warned that the city is on the verge of an explosion in violence associated with the sale and use of marijuana.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/11/18/21472/416

So far not impressed with the picks. I presume Daschle's wife will no longer lobby......:) or his son and his wife too!

That donor list is more of a secret than Obama's BC! lol

hillary might have leaked it so it would be known it was offered.......I doubt she wants the position, but the hub-bub doesnt do her any harm............

I'm going with Joan Walsh. That woman has more insight and brains in her little finger than all of the other commentators and pundits rolled up in an oily grease spot.

Trust Obama to pick the people that will do the job he wants them to do and stop trying to undermine his choices with all the backstabbing.

The biggest problem with having 24 hour cable news, with big stories on heavy rotation is that anything longer than two days feels as if it has been going on forever.

The concept of Clinton as SoS has only been out there for a week. Whoever leaked on the Obama team (probably to try to get some reaction) should be given a basement office for the duration for not realizing that there shouldn't have been anything more than 48 hours between the leak and the appointment.

That 48 hour decision cycle should be added as a corollary to the dump bad news on Friday night rule.

Oldseahag, began reading you song list and expected to see

Louis Prima-Just A Gigolo-I Ain't Got Nobody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MZhLO3rAY&feature=related

Otherwise a nice repertoire.

"Walkin After Midnight- Patsy Cline- Had a tough time with this pick. Patsy's voice is SO sexy in Crazy, but really just makes you wanna cry in your beer. Walking is more about pent up energy"

Wow -- Sea -- as a music person, I hand it to you -- that is spot on.

teehee-"hay"

Every one is always so ga-ga about Patsi, but what about Patti?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ek3eCbfqp0

The Pointer Sisters - Slow Hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVOt2LK2Gg

"Patsi.....
making fun of Barry's suit on a blog is one thing.....
but actually being rude to him in person is definitely assholic behavior in my book...."

Yeah -- Renee -- I wish I could remember that whole story -- but it was truly ugly. And as I recall, devastated him.

Today's archeology news that ties in with the Jesus discussion

Herod Family tombs found

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-science/20081030/SCIENCE-US-ISRAEL-ARCHAEOLOGY/

Rosie

Patti's voice is beautiful and clear but Patsy's voice has emotion and power. I feel Patsy has lost her lover where as Patti is singing a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRNdap-ioNM

Jack

"I like the look of PT Cruisers, but they do suck to ride in..."

Tom -- a friend of mine rented one and said it was the WORST!

king of the jews: King Herod's song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb_9uH-ELJE

"Yesterday it was Htchens. Today it is sleezebag Dick Morris. I can just see some staffer being told ... Go find someone totally biased with a burning hatred for Hillary Clinton so that we can quote them every ten minutes."

It is to the point of being hysteria.

Jamie

Jamie ---nice find on Herods Family tombs_______in the article they quote the bible,,and in doing so, they don't give one all of the information on Herod-----he was a very deeply disturbed genius,,,,and a great architect and builder,,,truly a visionary with a twisted mind??

Jack Elliott, Pete Seeger, & Malvina Reynolds - Woody's Rag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbuvfMAjfXY

It's just like someone who starts chewing gum when they quit smoking, Patsi. They don't know what else to do with their mouths now that the election is over.

"They don't know what else to do with their mouths now that the election is over"

LOL

Point !

Jack

"Kerry was and still remains my first choice. I do find it a bit disturbing that the Clintons have hired a team of lawyers to negotiate the vetting process, not a good sign. "

Why the surprise? It's been about destroying the Clintons all along.

"the Dashle announcement "

What a joke. Let's investigate Daschle AND his wife.

Well, face it Patsi. Until these trophy wives start doing something besides just being arm candy, there's nothing to investigate.

Jesus cont.

The Masada was scarcely the end of the Jewish military-messianic life style.Continuously re created by the practical exigencies of colonialism and poverty, the revollutuonary impulse burst forth again sixty years after Masada, in an even more spectacular messianic drama. In 132, Bar Kochva---"Son of a Star" organized a force of 2000,000 men and set up and independent Jewish state that endured for three years. ( u would think that this was important----i believe that facts like these is why Jewish scholars argue with each other) anyway---Because of Bar Kochva's miraculous victories, Akiba, the chief rabbi of Jerusalem, hailed him as messiah. The people reported seeing Bar Kochva mounted on a lion.????? Not since Hannibal had the Romans faced a military opponent of such daring. he fought in the front ranks and at the most dangerous points
Awhole Roman legion leveled 1,000 vilages, killed 500, 000 people, and shipped thousands more abroad as slaves, Generations of embittered Jewish scholars thereafter spoke ruefully of Bar Kochva as the " son of a lie" who had duped them into losing their homeland.

History shows that Jewish military-messianic lifestyle was an adaptive ( u think !!) It did not succeed in restoring David's Kingdom ( this is what it is all about folks),,,rather, it resulted in the complete loss of the territorial integrity of the Jewish state. For the next 8 hundred years the Jews were a subordinate minority no matter where they lived. Does this mean that military messianism was a capricious, impractical, even maniacal lifestyle? Are we to conclude along with Josephus and those who later condemned Bar Kochva that the Jews lost their homeland because they let the messianic will-o -the-wisp dupe them into attacking the invincible power of Rome? I think not.

The Jewish revolution against Rome was caused by the inequities of Roman colonialism, not by Jewish military messianism . We cannot judge the Romans as more "practical" "realistic" simply because they were the victors. Bosth sides went to war for practical and mundane reasons. Suppose George Washington had lost the American Revolutionary war. Would we then want to conclude that the Continental Army was the victim of an irrational lifestyle consciousness dedicated to the will-0-the-wisp called "freedom"?

One more and im going to change the heading----maybe in spanish Jesus--continued---HUH :-)

Careless Love / Odetta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOGXiYruaug

Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting.

---Alan Dean Foster, "To the Vanishing Point"

"Well, face it Patsi. Until these trophy wives start doing something besides just being arm candy, there's nothing to investigate."

I wouldn't call Daschle's lobbyist wife a trophy....

Rosie

Daschle's wife is a lobbiest mostly in the transportation industry.

It is Daschle him self who seems to have troublesome connections

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/11/daschles_lobbyist_wife_might_c.html?nav=rss_blog

Jack

odetta - Water Boy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSDeROnTq64

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First I do not desire ill on anyone.

I have worked with and negotiated contracts with Teamsters and other Unions to great success for both parties.

Those that are in non union car companies are not worried about there jobs right now. This is not a commentary just a fact

Jamie -
You are right on and this was my point on the social program elements - when I say be honest about what is to be accomplished. No American should have to worry about healthcare - but it does require a two way commentment to good health.

Put it all together - if we are going to go to a National Healthcare Safety net then this will help the auto industry.

Also on the individual transaction level BANKS ARE LOANING MONEY.

The big issue now is the big issues like BONDS

Wednesday, June 18, 2003
More stuff the Argus Leader won't print
While Randell Beck continues to spin excuses for the Argus Leader refusal to fully cover the Linda Daschle lobbying issue,

Lobbying may now be considered a Daschle family profession. The Senator and Mrs. Daschle's son Nathan was a lobbyist for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees before taking a position at the Washington lobbying firm of Covington and Burling. Covington and Burling represents Microsoft, Merck, and the Washington Post among others.
The Daschles' daughter-in-law, Jill Gimmel Daschle, has started her own lobbying firm, JD Consulting, which will lobby with Sullivan & Baldick. Jill was a finance director for the 2000 re-election campaign of Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA). She moved on to New Hampshire Gov. Jeanne Shaheen's 2002 senate campaign as a fundraiser.

Argus Leader readers who want to see what the Argus won’t print should also check a 5/26/2002 WorldNetDaily column by David Freddoso titled, “Mrs. Daschle’s lucrative lobbying”. The conflict of interest is explained this way:

The income Mrs. Daschle ultimately derives from her clients also enters the Daschle family budget, improving Sen. Daschle's finances as he considers actions that will affect these clients. The exact amount Mrs. Daschle earns from her lobbying activities remains unknown, since the senator told Human Events he will not make their joint tax return public.

Ted Stevens has gone down a series of tubes.......

Odetta Gordons sings God's Gonna Cut You Down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnFSjBC4dQA

LOL

apost on Ted Stevens
Then my post of the song " Gods gonna cut you down"

Works for me

Jack

another God gets revenge song.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2pJp9ACg8

McCain wins Missouri!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_el_pr/missouri_president;_ylt=Ag.iXtBr3NI_yJoaWte5IrayFz4D

I see some bible ref:

So here you go

We are each responsible for our own conduct. Galatians 6:5

The Stevens story
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=akuwZeN2VM8o&refer=home

Oh in case you have been watching American news, you might have missed that the Chinese premier was in Cuba to announce a many multi million dollar investment in Cuban industry, agriculture, and port recovery from the hurricane system. Now he's on his way to South America

But that's okay. We don't trade with Cuba or any of those other commies, and the Chinese will buy our automobile companies if we don't want them.

Corey,

That makes it official for Sheila as the winner of the electoral college contest.

"Posted by: Jamie | November 19, 2008 7:53 PM"

Here we go.....gonna be interesting to see this one go down....

It'll also be interesting to see how much money the Daschle family can suck out of the new administration.

Jamie
Better the Chinese then Chavez or Russia....

take the money and nationalize?

Jamie

As one of the owners of GM, I think a partnership with the Chinese is just what we need. We could move all of our production to China(it's not like you could tell the difference anyway) Then we would take back our dominance in the world. We might have to keep making a line of pickup here. You have to have something to hang a flag on for commercials. Maybe the Vet or a Cadillac. But there is no need to get carried away.
See , Dubya was right, This ownership stuff gives you a whole different look on things.

Jack

While I think the auto executives shouldn't be handed the money unless a whole lot of strings are attached, I find it amazing that when it is white collar jobs at risk, the money just flows hand over fist.

When it is blue collar jobs and middle class families, all of sudden the treasury is empty.

here ya go.. i used to LOVE al green's version, but man oh man, Tina just KNOCKS it outa the park!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHcwI3qRo0g

Daschle:

"Transparency. We cannot fix our problems until we can see them more clearly."

Oh, it's clear to me now....

"Universal Coverage. Increase access through health vouchers and coverage."

And getting clearer by the minute....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvs5pqf-DMA&feature=PlayList&p=CDFEA6D52E5CC0EC&index=17

Remember what the Rabbit of bad home loans did to our economy -

What appears so safe and cute.... WATCH OUT

Now image if we continue with the big monsters to allow bad fiscal policy to continue. At some point water will reach its level....

- Medical Malpractice. Make it easier for physicians to make the best decisions, and protect them from frivolous legal actions.

I wonder what Elizabeth Edwards thinks about this?
Let me know when the medical associations do a better job of self policing

Sock Drawer- What is the impact of defensive medicine? How many extra tests?

Most imporatant is we must continue the innovation and advancements. We can not STOP NOW and have the same technology 20 years from now.

Healthcare innovation is a Global Cause - and must continue

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I've looked the list on healthcare over 3 or 4 times and it is very clear to me. Tom Daschle has never worried about healthcare. Mos tlikely never paid a premium in his life imo

Jack

"Healthcare innovation is a Global Cause - and must continue"

LOL
Another thing we pay for and the rest of the world enjoy.

ack

"You can't make this shit up, so funny!"

I know! It's almost like she's being made into a quasi-religious leader -- with a cult following!

Just catching up, I might of missed it, but was surprised that no one listed Peggy Lee's "Fever" as a "hot"song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGb5IweiYG8&feature=related

"Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case - Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey - US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 - for a conference of the nine Justices. ... If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled. The conference is scheduled for December 5, 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.

The case originally sought, pre-election, to have the names of Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero removed from New Jersey ballots, ..."

http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/19/us-supreme-court-schedules-full-conference-to-discuss-nj-citizen-suit-challenging-obama-eligibility/

Good ideas for sexy songs.

Frances Townsend in Obama's admin - really?

I think we have another failing of the media - did we get the straight info on the bill for the bail-out? I don't remember hearing anything re the real wording of the bill, and now it seems there were no strings attached.

I think we need some people who know how to write bills clearly and openly, and people in the media who will get the bills and put them into real English for us.
I'm tired of hearing that a bill was poorly written and allowed for abuses.

I've got 2 links of some of my favorite turn-on "songs" - they're knda heavy classical - sorry - and the first video isn't particularly sexy, but it's the music.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVDLTke2Yno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdb94HbyRko&NR=1

Ping----on cnn --the Rick Sanchez show----they showed pres. bush at some gathering of diplomats---there was one in front of bush and one behind him,,,while they stepped forward to greet the others that were waiting to shake their hands-------the one that was in front of bush was greeted by all and they all shook his hand,,,,the same for the one in the rear-----now bush was in the middle, and not a one of them offered to shake his hand-----he walked on with his head hung down in shame-----now normally i would feel a little sadness for someone that just whent thru what pres. whent thru,,,i felt nothing for that man---he looked pitiful. He deserved their scorn

You would think that the R' would just hang their collective heads in just a little shame for the shit they got us into----go ahead and keep saying how Obama will mess things up,but a picture is worth a thousand words

Thank you Patsi, I was just thinking of songs that if you're dancing, you just might slip into some grinding and round about then say "Come on babe, let's go home"

Solar - Show me one post where I say Obama will mess things up?
Just one...
I post warnings of concern -

I have shown where the policy barack (nancy, Harry, Barney.... not stopped by bush) supported - opps or did he vote present - like driving home loans outside of sound fiscal policy !! which is the primary straw that broke the back.

Lets see what happens......

And now only Barack will know what Bush knows - and you can already see the impact

Animal Control- not quite sure what you mean by saying you expected that on my list. But I would put that on a list of bar songs to play near closing when everybody is buzzed and happy!

"like driving home loans outside of sound fiscal policy !! which is the primary straw that broke the back"

Sorry Ping, the government didn't provide any straw. The industry did that all on it's little lonesome.

Jack.

Ping---sorry if that is not accurate ----but the rest stands,,,

Jack,
OK, I will agree that some in the industry feel for the push, desire and failed policy of the Gov't to drive bad home loans - Now why did they do it?

I agree they should have told Barney and Chris to shove it - but the did not - and Bush was complacent - barack was a Jr Sen. watching and taking it all in...

Hope he learned

I think her name is Alicia Stewart----very very good,,,she used to fill in for Ko a lot----she is now at NPR,,,if she is around more often it will help msnbc,,,

In my travels and interaction with non americans - they do not take us a serious by any means as we think they take us.
The number one reaction world wide of McCain vs Obama was - who cares, then the runner up was Obama - then McCain.

The American press only related for the most part the runner up results

maybe Allison Stewart--

that would be fell for the push.... caved in

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175245

Ping the only thing the government is responsible for is not stopping the out of control self interest at all levels and the out of control greed at all levels. The all started outside the regulated banking industry. But in the end the hyperbubble and the ham handed management has affected all.

Jack

Brain... US election is big news regardless and No doubt bigger news for Obama’s win. Which I agree – it is HUGE for many reasons we have all discussed.

My point stands as American we are more self absorbed with our own importance vs the reality of opinion.

Also - I see it was KO so I KO'd the video as i was not looking for satiric entertainment. KO is just the opposite of Shawn Hannity

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/auto-bailout-a-test-drive-for.html#comment-175253

That should have read "out of control conflict of interest"

Jack

Jesus cont,

In culture, as in nature, systems that are the product of selective forces frequently fail to survive,,not because they are defective or irrational, but because they encounter other systems that are better adapted and more powerful. The cult of the vengeful messiah, like cargo cults, was adapted to the practical exigencies of a colonial struggle. I was extremely successful as a means of mobilizing mass resistance in the absence of a formal apparatus for raising and training an army. The zealots should not be judged for having been duped unless it can be shown that the probability of their defeat was so great at the outset that no amount of effort could ever have led to any result other than the one that history now reveals.But there is no way of proving that the zealot-bandits could have predicted that their defeat was inevitable. History reveals with equal finality that Judas of Galilee was right and the Caesars wrong about the alleged invincibility of the Roman Empire.. The Roman Empire was not only eventually destroyed ,,but the people who destroyed it were colonials like the Jews, and bvastly inferior to the Romans in numbers, equipment, and military skills.

Almost by definition, revolution means that an exploited population must take desperate measures against great odds to oveerthrow its oppressors . Clases,,races, and nations usually accept the challenge of such odds not because they are duped by irrational ideologies, but because the alternatives are abhorrent enough to make even the great risks worth while. That is the reason why the Jewish military-messianic consciousness underwhen a great expansion at the time of Christ.

To the extent that the cult of the vengeful messiah was rooted in the practical struggle against Roman colonialism, the cult of the peaceful messiah assumes the guise of an apparently inscrutable paradox. The peaceful messiah of Christendom came at a most improbable moment i the 180 year trajectory of the war against Rome. The Jesus cult developed while the military-messianic consciousness was still accelerating, expanding, soaring toward the untarnished ecstacy of Jahweh's grace. Its timing seems all wrong. In 30 a.d. no major obstacle to the zealot-bandit revolutionary impulse had yet been encountered. The temple was intact and was the scene of great annual pilgrimages. Judas of Gallilee's sons were alive. The terror of Masada was as yet unimagined. Why should the Jews have yearned for a peaceful messiah so many years befor the military-messianic dream had anointed Manahem and Bar Kochva?? Why surrender Palestine to the Roman overlords when Roman power had not so much as nicked the edge of Jahweh's sacred shield?? Why a new covenant while the old one was still capable of twice shaking the Roman Empire??

The Secret of the Prince of peace --------------The dream work of Western civilization is not fundamentally different form the dreamworks of other peoples. Only a knowledge of practical circumstances is needed to penetrate it's mysteries

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Jack

Tell that to the Nobel prize winners from France. oOr the English Spanish team that just did the first stell cell created trachea transplant yesterday.

You are being more than a little parochial.

The Right Wing in this country likes to yammer on about America has the best medical care. It has fast medical care for elective procedures but not the best on preventive or well care and no good care for those who can't afford it. Take a look at our rankings in infant mortality and longevity. We are good, but for millions of our citizens health care is non existant.

OSH

Now that the children are all in bed.
I take it that this wasn't on your list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFpvRMIIEM

Hey, It's a love song, well sorta.

Jack

Oldseahag,

Meant nothing by it. I commented because when I began to read your list Louie Prima came to mind. Guess I didn't phrase my comment properly.

I think I just like the tempo of his music. Oh well.

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Jamie
I absolutely love your comment!! I have been thinking about this all day.Grace my business partner is a Republican and she had no problem with the white collar Wall Street bailout but when it comes to blue collar workers,well they just make to much money!! No handouts....

Animal --thanks once again----cut the tomato vines and hung them up---about 30 of em---they get ripe a few at a time which is great

Jack

A little something from Chuck Berry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZkO5oI_z0Y

Solar - very interesting... Your compliation?

http://photoroe.smugmug.com/gallery/6585019_E23TH#420717650_UCtBt
photo of the week....

Night time for me...

Solar - I agree with the possibility of Allison Stewart's helping msnbc, but I'm not sure she isn't aimed at the political death of the Clinton's, which seems to be the raison d'etre of msnbc. She used to align herself with KO when at the station.

Karl Rove was just on Fox telling Hannity that he thought Obama's picks were very very good, with possible exception of Emanuel - but that he was making good choices.

Solar, Happy to help.

Buon Appetito

Animal Control- I like it too! Have had a lot of fun singing that song at the end of the night! My old neighborhood bar was owned by an old Italian who sang Irish tenor, used to be a singing waiter in NY where he met his wife who was a burlesque dancer. Anyways, he weighed about 325 and would sometimes sing to us al, that song and others like Old New York. Lots of fun at that bar, used to go out and swing dance in the parking lot cause the bar was too small,but the paving used to hurt when I'd fall on my head.

Anyways,sorry didn't mean anything myself, just didn't understand the connection I guess. I was thinking of hot songs.

Good Night All. Have a nice evening.

Brain - no doubt he is a Star... Also I have no pain - sorry to disappoint but I am not bitter, in fact I find it all very interesting.
As a former Poly Sci major, or just study ...

And social justice is not owned because you are registered as a dem.
I am very concerned of failed possible fiscal policy

And as I have said before I also share in the pride of the accomplishment made by Barack - if it is mine to share....

Regardless..
My eggs are not in someone else basket....

Night Jamie...

And Brain -- I do look forward to catching up with the dinner - It will be an interesting discussion that I hope we both respect and enjoy - finding common ground and also areas to disagree.

Best to all - off to rest...

Jack-LOL, didn't have it on that list, but I would put it on the near closing the bar when everyone is buzzed and happy list!

from ---taped programs---mostly from anthropology information,,,,the new (old ) dead sea scrolls that were found are so informative in their writings that they back up theory's that were laughed at before -----the bible etc....a little more to go on who jesus really was---------the lurkers will read all of this and pass on to others----my contribution to stopping false history that has hurt us since------------a long time ago

Solar

I've still got tomatoes from my method. "go out the night of a killing frost and pick them by the light of a flashlight". I could have left them on the vine for a few more weeks the weather man lied. but they have been ripening at just about the right speed. I will have some for thanks giving but they will be gone by Christmas.
I've had tomatoes for christmas before but not this year.

Jack

I have not gone into the "natural born" requirement for POTUS.

Leo Donofrio argues (he's not alone) that SoetorObama does not qualify as "natural born" even if he was born in HI. That's because SoetorObama had dual citizenship (from his father -- UK and Colonies Subject/National) at birth.

US citizen is not the same as "natural born" citizen.

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Oldseahag, sounds like fun. I must have gone to the wrong bars. Your head sounds OK to me.

Thanks, sometimes I wonder. I don't swing dance doing flips anymore though, gotta retain what little I've got.

Gordo

My mama told me I wasn't born, I was hatched.
under a cabbage leaf.

So tell me something, doesn't that natural born clause discriminate against folks delivered by C section. After all It wasn't their fault.

so was Obama delivered C-section? I don't think that is a reason to kick him out he cain't help what his mama did.

Jack

Good night all--have fun.

Jack---i forgot i also took your advise and put in the too small ones i a plastic coffee can that i have with the jalapeno jucie from a large can along with carrots, onions , and cactus,,,nice little side to whatever..if they ripen too fast ill cut them up and add them also----nothing goes to waste if i can help it,,thanks

i meant to ask u if u make your own pinto beans for refried frejoles ,,,when it is at the soup stage before i fry them i put in some tomatoes and onions and a little cilantro, and make for a tasty soup-----i save the bacon greese and refry in that it tastes better than restaurant ones

If you're gonna lie G Man, get it right, it would be PE ObamaSoetoro. Donofrio's suit will be dismissed. So who cares what he thinks.

YO CHAMP----when r u going to relieve me----im getting a little tired of this night watch??

Road kill chili,
for hippies,
not vegitarian hippies

A pound of fresh road kill, or substitute a 1 lb of cheap ground turkey
3 table spoons or more depending on how spicy you want it of chili powder.
1 teaspoon of cumin
1/2 onion chopped
2 or3 cloves of garlic, mashed in one of those mashers.
1/2 bell pepper chopped
1 can of tomatoes and chilis, kind of like the Rotel ones but look for cheaper ones.
some v8 juice for a little liquid, if you have an open bottle in the fridg. like I did tonight.
or a small can of tomato sauce and water

Combine the meat spices onion and bell pepper. Cook until meat is almost done make sure the meat is crumbly. Add tomatoes and liquid bring to a boil then turn down the heat and simmer.
stir it once it a while but then you know that or soon will learn.

Put 2 cups of brown rice on to cook according to directions on the package.

Serve the chili in a soupbowl over a 1/2 cup of the brown rice. you could have more rice if you like it.

Jack

Solar

I tend to just eat whole beans cooked with a little hamm or meat flavoring of some kind.
When we were young my mother flavored the beans with the bacon rind or the ham rind. We were a bit poor. The meat skins didn't taste bad and we ate them but some times not all the pig hair was removed and a little stubble would kinda scratch as it went down the throat.

I really loved the beans they served at school. they had real chunks of ham in them. I had never seen that before.

Jack

This made me laugh : "he's not alone". Well, maybe not, but they'd all fit into one small psych ward.

A metaphor : You can get into a car, but if you don't know how to drive, you aren't going anywhere. These defectives can get into courthouses, but they aren't going anywhere. You see, any damn fool can pay his $20 and lay any dingbat paper down on the court clerk's counter.

" That makes it official for Sheila as the winner of the electoral college contest. "

The import of this isn't lost on me. Since CS was the first one to post with young Mr. Crawford. I find the whole thing quite satisfying.

"You see, any damn fool can pay his $20 and lay any dingbat paper down on the court clerk's counter."

Xrep, That is always something to remember. I've had to remind several of the temp places of that when the tried to short my check for some reason.
I told one idiot that was shorting me $15 that all it took was $35 dollars to file a law suite and if he didn't believe I would spend $35 to get $15 then he had better think again. When put that way they have always paid up, so far.

Jack

Seen a 30.00.00 drop in my electric bill---have been shutting off anything that does not to be on ,, microwave,,it makes no sense to me to keep it on 23 hours during the day----i think that actual time use is about 20 minn or less on any given day,,,this and the toaster,any kitchen appliance is unplugged until used now

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You must be a cheap date then.

Jack

Solar

And if it'slike mine, it is not like the clock works.

Jack

last song of the night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTf5qvS0Lo

Jack--

that is so true,,,i have done it myself---but i have a friend that used to own a wharehoused GM machine part in st joe michigan,,,,they owed him and 3 other partners over a million dollars and would not pay up----he had over 4 million in inventory of theirs and rented another place to store it all in,,meanwhile he paid 28.00 to lien ---after 2 years they finally got paid only about 80% of it but all it took was 28.00bucks,,,and the lawyer fees ,,,he now owns the mortgage co, and my partner---first one i ever had,,,know him for 18 years or so

What does karl rove know about good choices ?

im, a
Cheap date------my wife asked my to take her to an expensive place---so i took her to a gas station-------and that officer is how the fight started-----

Rezdog--------------------

"... it would be PE ObamaSoetoro."

I'm using his legal (probably) name as a starting point, not his birth name. Sometime in his teens, he went back to BHO. Did he have his name legally changed to BHO? That's why Berg has tried to get:

"Certified copies of any Court Orders or legal documents changing Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama."

" That makes it official for Sheila as the winner of the electoral college contest. "

I will be filing papers in D.C. federal court to have this "so-called contest" thoroughly investigated. This is clearly a plot by the Obama forces to make "conventional wisdom" look silly, and grossly misinformed.
Just take the results from Missouri, we all know that it's "America's Bellwether ", and these returns are just not possible. I would remind the readers here that I am the man who forced The Great Arkansas River Vicksburg and Gulf and Steamship Company into receivership.

Vans Go Green: Novel Spoiler Design Reduces Fuel Consumption

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — .................... US researchers have designed a new rear spoiler for bluff-backed vehicles that can reduce drag and lift significantly.
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The team's calculations suggest that the spoiler can reduce drag by 5% and switch lift from positive to negative at 67 mph. Given that more than two-thirds of a vehicle's power is consumed overcoming drag at highway driving speeds, this could translate into a significant fuel saving of up to several miles per gallon. This could amount to a saving of several hundred dollars a year depending on mileage as well as a concomitant reduction in carbon emissions.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081110153704.htm

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Our biggest oilfield is in our own gas tanks.

SolarCrete,
In my opinion, the Judean rebels of 66 - 72 committed errors that made Roman victory inevitable. 1. They tried to hold every acre, but to do so, were forced to spread the troops too thin. 2. After the first battle, they committed to a tactic of holing up in forts, and daring the Romans to attack. Forts can be strong points or traps. The Romans picked them off one fort at a time. 3. Disunity among the various rebel factions proved to be worse for the cause of freedom than the Roman arms were. 4. The Judeans routed a Roman legion in the very 1st engagement, nearly annihilating it. This was accomplished by mobile war, using fast light infantry, probably including a high % of slingers. In most parts of Israel a slinger doesn't have to carry ammo to the battlefield, whereas legionnaires had to trudge along carry massive packs. A sufficiently large body of fast light infantry could harass a legion from dawn 'til dusk, until the legionnaires dropped from fatigue. The key would be to avoid being inextricably caught in close combat. Around this time, fast light infantry temporarily destroyed Roman power in Britain. The Romans had to bring in 4 legions to re-conquer the tiny population of Britain. Judea, on the other hand, could muster 200,000 militia men and women, conceivably necessitating a like number of Romans to subdue the land, iow, 70 % of the entire Roman army. What a break that would have been for Britain, Pontus, the Germans, and the Parthians.

XR - I've heard Rove make some other evaluations re both dems and repubs that I have completely agreed with. I suspect the man just likes to talk about politics and smart moves - he needs another career now. He has to prove to everyone now he has judgement, and I think he can tell who is good at the same game.

Solar - I surf and always check to see who is speaking and which show is on. I wandered who the woman was talking and she turned out to be from the Cleveland Plain Dealer. I gave her a couple of listens to her words, and she wasn't lethal about HRC so listened to her and Allison for a few minutes. I steer clear of KO and Tweety and Schuster and Contessa etc.

Gordo, There's that word "probably" again. We know his father was BHO and who his mother was. Most everything else you mention is just your speculations or you wouldn't use conditional parts of speech.

whskyJack,

Yessir. And when you filed, you could include all court costs, including filing fee, and transport, and the ammount you'd spent to subpoena all your friends as witnesses.

Remember when these same republicans used to demand legal reform to stop all the frivolous lawsuits that are jamming our courts ?

I'd love it if one of the Judges would say, "You've wasted the time of 7 different courts now with this a nonsense, and in all 7 have lost on summary judgements. You haven't produced a shred of evidence that Senator Obama is anyone other than who he says he is. Therefore, I find that you are wasting this court's time, and am having you bound over for arraignment. Bailiff, take these men to the holding cell."

Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security Secretary?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/19/transition.wrap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Citigroup Inc faced a crisis of confidence on Wednesday as investors questioned the survival prospects of the U.S. banking giant, and its shares tumbled 23 percent to a 13-year low.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4AI91420081120?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

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As I said a few days ago, in a storm when things start coming apart .............. they fly around and smash into other things.

"It Could Be Structured By Cows And We Would Rate It": How The Ratings Agencies Helped Cause The Financial Crisis.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/it_could_be_structured_by_cows.php

Thank you Phil Gramm.

bethyboo,

I guess you are more patient than I am. I stopped listening to anything rove might say 2 years ago, when he was yapping about what a terrific SoD rumdumb was. " Possibly the best we've ever had ! "

Maybe rove is a little less of a lying hound today.

Rezdog ---------------------

Indonesian School Record:

Name - Barry Soetoro

Nationality - Indonesian

Religion - Islam

http://countusout.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barrysoetoro.jpg?w=340&h=427

Indonesian School Record:

Name - Barry Soetoro

Nationality - Indonesian

Religion - Islam

If these 'documents' are certified, and their author supplied a deposition regarding what they, in fact, mean, then they might be of interest to a court. Otherwise, they are just more unsubstantiated rumors.

So, GORDO, do you have Mr. Soetoro's affidavit ?

Has there been a depostion ?

What exactly is the status of these rumors ? Do you have makers of these Indonesian papers here to testify in court ?

the hell with barry soetoro.....I wanna see Barry MANILOW's birth certificate...............

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Orly Taitz says another 16 lawsuits are expected to be filled soon.

XRepub -

Your account of the slingers harassing the the legionaries reminded me of Hattin, 1,100 years later. July , no water and Saladin's forces making life miserable for Guy of Lusignan .

Anon,

Yes, and the Crusaders were also heavily encumbered like Romans.

Alexander nearly annihilated his army in Transoxiana the same way.

GORDO,
Did you think I wouldn't notice that you didn't answer the question ?

Who wrote these documents ?
Will he testify ?
Is there an affidsavit ?
Has he been deposed ?

xrepublican --------------

Are you serious?

How much do you actually know about SoetorObama's "un-hidden" past?
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You can listen to Orly Taitz on the Peter Boyles radio show at this link: (click on November 19, 2008 7:00 am)

http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html

XR - it's not patience because I never heard Rove talk when he ran things. He's got less job security now his plan to take over USA failed.

I personally think he looks like a kid who wasn't easily accepted by other kids - he flat looks like a "sissy" - and who developed talents and techniques for manipulation. I think he's a bit of a gambler who plays his own game of virtual politics, kinda like everyone here betting on the electoral college vote.

I have heard him make some really partisan comments which are boring because they are so
derivative - but I've also heard him be spot on.

I suspect he likes to imagine himself as knowing how to play the game better than anyone else and can see the other side's arguments. I'm interested in that person's take on things. He's for sure not going to change my mind.

GORDO,
I notice that you again fail to answer the only important question.

Has the author of these alleged documents given an affidavit or been deposed ?

GORDO, you and your heros can't get anything done without answering the questions I have repeatedly asked you.

bethyboo,

He loved playing big shot and bully. Doesn't seem like the genius anymore, does he ?

XR - nope. He's just another pundit, but better at it than a lot of the goofs they keep trotting out to see who clicks and who doesn't. I wonder if he might have some anger at some of the repubs....HA! Wouldn't that be turn about is fair play???????????????

"the hell with barry soetoro.....I wanna see Barry MANILOW's birth certificate..............."

ROFL. Me too.

Tracking the pirates money:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-19/whos-funding-the-pirates/

Antiwar groups fear Barack Obama may create hawkish Cabinet

Activists note that most of the candidates for top security posts voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq or otherwise supported launching the war....

Perhaps, what you bought isn't what is being delivered..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-19/whos-funding-the-pirates/

patsi, now why does that not surprise me.

btw, will daschle's wife and the spice of the other cabine nominees make the same promises of disclosure and pre-approval of speeches that the dawg has made? you betcha not.

bill, hon, please hold on to the list til after the confirmation. some folks on it won't want their names bandied about in vain.