Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

good morning, craig. "starts" typo in 2nd paragraph.

voices from the past with pasts:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_re_us/disgraced_ex_congressman

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/11/john.edwards/

I keep wondering if GWB will do something stupid in the next ten weeks, just to complete his reign of incompetence.

and here is harry's reply:

Dear Mrs. Roosevelt:

I am sorry that I have been so long in thanking you for the little donkey which you sent me for my desk.

He certainly is in a typical mulish attitude and, as the President used to say, when I have a hard decision to make I will look at him, think of you and the President, and then try to make the best decision.

Sincerely yours,

[truman library archives]

mr. d,
if? more like when?

"... Once having decided something, the obstinate little donkey kept his sense of humor and determination going against great pressure."

Thanks for that adorable story Craig. It's the little things that count. :)

Yeah. I guess it is when. Another thing. How much of a f**k up do you need to be in order to not have credibility? Why does Bill Kristol have a forum at the NY Times? Shouldn't neo-conservatism be a discredited political philosophy, sort of like isolationism and communism?

you're looking perky this morning, chloe. pull up a chair. grab a warm, fresh from the oven cinnamon roll, steaming cuppa, and join mr. d and me in our musings.

Thanks Pat.
You are always so sweet, and I've always appreciated it.
But I don't think I can do this anymore.
Have a good one. :)

"I don't think I can do this anymore."

but, chloe, we need you.

the neo-cons made it possible for a LOT of money to be made available for "stashing away" by various neo-connish entities.......over the last 8 years.......they'll wait till something happens (even if they have to make it happen) and the "public" begs them to return and save them........It's still a mess, and it aint going away just cause w did his business and is out the door.....

"....it aint going away just cause w did his business and is out the door....."

sturge, the smell that lingers after one does their business

ooo-ooo, that SMELL.........

--Lynnard Skynnard (?)

Stuborn Donkey....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172392

I to am very concerned that Bush will do something at a min complacent again - as which lack of action allowed this crisis - and give into the highly rated congress - again.

But a donkey can not change the facts - but can rewrite the words just words of the story

Can't you smell that smell? It is now surronding !!!

skynnard, sturge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L07W8W_RZJM

Well, Stinky and I are now great grandparents. The child is exceptionally beautiful and totally without peer in the realm of babydom.

Maybe Stinky and I will have a glass of champagne this afternoon offering a toast to Autumn Kim, and to her parents who have indeed created a marvelous baby.

I'd like to see someone do a study of Thom Friedman's "brilliant" observations and suggestions on both American foreign policy and economics. He seems to flip between nation building and not with ease.

Chloe......"Hang in there......"

http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/14639.JPG

And yes, I fully expect Bush to pull a lot of things between now and January. The problem will be that most will be under the table. Just like his environmental impact.

Congrats on little Autumn Kim, Flatus!

mornin' all.

Yes, Ping. Still POed about the election, I see. Unable to defend the indefensible, you begin throwing the indefensible's poo. Wear goggles and wash your hands. Good morning.

Craig you sure that donkey was Roosevelt's? Reminds me of Bush.

just like the past 8 years, he's going to do for the next 2 months exactly whatever he and the chain-man CAN do.........and even some things they can't....I hope someone is watching closely.

yep.

Watched a show about Lee Atwater (what a piece of work he was) on PBS last night. There were interviews from a very young W during 41's campaign. Not much of a drawl and he was actually quite well-spoken. What in the heck happened? W's "doofus" personality is just a sham?

Also a clip of young Karl Rove wearing those giant, plastic 80's eyeglasses; if he had gelled his already-thinning hair, he would've looked very "Flock of Seagulls."

Did Howard Dean have some work done?

Flatus -
Congrats to the new Grand's !!! A beautiful name - Autumn Kim.....

The world smiles

Happy grandparent-ing! Cheers!

"Congrats on little Autumn Kim, Flatus! "

Thank you, Patsi. I have a feeling that another trip to Korea is going to be on the agenda!

Criag - a grade of A for the day showing the diversity -

Pogo - Nope - Mixed feelings - I Hope The Obama that caught my attention shows up..

These are very interesting times...

Hey - Bush was so complacent at least Obama will be honest about his bad policy. Yup Obama has brought in all new faces to surrond himself....

So if his trend continues - he will soon be centric.

He wants to be in office more then one term - so I am on his radar..

John McCain on Jay --- Was great..

Off to my evil world........

Ping, Bush was a lot of things, but complacent? Maybe with respect to Cheney's agendaand to the wishes of his constituent groups, but from my perspective he aggressively pushed his priorities to and through a complcaent (or perhaps complicit) congress. His failures were not from his complacency IMHO. And we both hope the Obama that inspired 9 states that voted for W in '04 to flip to blue not only shows up but puts up.

flatus, congrats - big year. New kid, new grandkid. Life is good, no?

Here's the best part of a good wiki on Mrs Roosevelt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt#Public_Life_Before_the_White_House

It talks about a 1933 New Yorker cartoon of Mrs Roosevelt checking on miners underground in a coal mine. I remember the cartoon well as it was in one of the saved New Yorkers that were always available in our house.

This Bush-bit is simply astonishing, considering how he allowed aides to trash talk the Clintons as they were leaving the White House:

"Bush also said that before he met with the president-elect, he called former President Clinton to recall a similar meeting the two had after Bush was elected.

"I said `Bill, I'm getting ready to meet with the new president and I remember how gracious you were to me,'" Bush said. "'I hope I can be as gracious to President-elect Obama as you were to me.'"

Flatus
Congratulations to you and Stinky -great!

In California we are moving on to discuss the gov's race -18 months away.

"U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein is the early favorite on the Democratic side of the 2010 race for governor, and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman is attracting attention in a likely battle for the GOP nomination, a new Field Poll shows."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/12/MN35142JQL.DTL&tsp=1

http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/usa2001/hyde_park2001/17jul2001e/mvc-007f.jpg

Here's that cartoon, flatus.

"Flatus, congrats - big year. New kid, new grandkid. Life is good, no?"

Indeed! Even better than the above tally--four new grandkids, now this great grand kid, and another great grand daughter due in January. Overwhelming to say the least.

'This Bush-bit is simply astonishing, considering how he allowed aides to trash talk the Clintons as they were leaving the White House:' Patsi

Brad Blakeman and Fox was repeating the ridiculous story all last week and saying what a gracious guy Shrub is ...made me throw up a little

RFK Jr. wrote a piece that I saved a year or so ago. It was about the vitriol against Eleanor Roosevent, and Hillary Clinton. I loved the article so much, because my mother used to get a massive case of outrage when people started in about Mrs. Roosevelt, one of Mom's personal heroes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/hillary-haters-and-the-ro_b_76573.html

Flatus

Congrats on the new grand baby

Looks like you need to shop for a bigger dinning room table for those family get togethers.

Jack

"Is she close enough geographically for you and S to see her grow up?"

No, Dog, she's in our Korean branch of the family so that will be difficult.

And a thanks to KGC and Ping and others as well. Isn't it wonderful how a new baby makes us all feel good?

Flatus...welcome to your beautiful grand baby...how wonderful.

I believe HRC did channel and copy Eleanor in her wonderful style of sending notes and remembering special times? HRC has a great reputation for doing so...

I have often wondered why the dems did get stuck with a donkey as they are more wishy washy than stubborn. Cupid would have been a better mascot. Make love, not war.

Obama to allow lobbyists on transition team

PRESS DEMOCRAT NEWS SERVICES
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081112/NEWS08/811120372/1350?Title=Obama_to_allow_lobbyists_on__transition_team

well that didn't take long

I think Kristol is worse than a parody. I think Kristol and his crowd contribute to a dangerous kind of group think. The current climate is so susceptible to misinformation becoming "coventional wisdom." Things that were never said or were misreported, events that never happened or that have been distorted, become widely repeated as fact. This is not owned solely by neocons and wing nuts, though they are the worst of the lot.

Congratulations Flatus and Stinky! Will the wee one get a "breezy" nickname?

Congratulations, Flatus.

"I have often wondered why the dems did get stuck with a donkey "

I agree, BlondeW! I love elephants and it pisses me off that the Republicans get to use those fabulous animals as their mascot.

Patsi, BW

I believe we can blame the cartoonist Thomas Nast

Patsi

My farmer is moving back to the Memphis area to start a CSA for next year --I think they are calling it Delta Sol --I'll post more information as I get it. His name is Brandon Pugh and he grew up in the area and has been traveling around the country learning about new ways to farm and now he is returning home. I highly recommend a "farm share" experience for everyone.

Senator Franken
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/106625/why_al_franken_will_be_minnesota%27s_next_senator/

Norm Coleman is the unworthy and slimy place holder of Senator Wellstone's seat. Franken will have to everything steam cleaned.

Will Norm have to give his veneers back?

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/11/11/al-gore-colin-powell-caroline-kennedy-in-obamas-administration.htm

gossip, whispers and rumors

HEHEH. The best laid plans of mice and men ...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15530.html

Apparently Bush's crack legal advisors overlooked this little ditty until too late. I hope Obama and Congress have teams compiling lists of every boneheaded regulation Bushco finalized less than 60 days before Oct. 3 (if I understand the CRA timeframes and date of Congress' adjournment correctly) and have JRs prepped to reverse them. If Congress reconvenes to try and pass a bailout for the automakers, they would need to look at everyything within 60 days of that adjournment.

Thanks KGC...I see Bingaman is mentioned as well as Richardson...they were the first in New Mexico to throw their support to Obama. Rewards to a party of jackasses, I suppose. Time for change? Yep, the mascot goes first!

"Will the wee one get a "breezy" nickname?"

Ivy, I think we will reserve the nicknames for the domestic side of the family--I know something would get lost in translation should the names leak out. (Can't believe I just said that--but I did!)

And, now, Stinky has told me to get off my butt and go rake leaves. Sigh.

Poll tests Specter-Matthews race in 2010

As my colleague Michael Calderone teased earlier, a new poll out shows MSNBC gabber Chris Matthews running competitively against Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), who is up for re-election in 2010.

The poll, conducted by the automated firm Public Policy Polling, shows Specter leading Matthews 40 to 27 percent in a hypothetical matchup, with 33 percent of voters undecided. Matthews, however, would bleed a lot of Democratic support: 30 percent of Democrats said they would vote for Specter over Matthews.

The poll also showed only 31 percent of African-American voters supporting Matthews, an ominously low total. Specter wins 25 percent of the black vote in the poll, while 44 percent are undecided.

“Arlen Specter would definitely start out as the favorite if Chris Matthews challenged him,” said Public Policy Polling president Dean Debnam. “But this poll provides clear evidence that a Matthews candidacy is not a non-starter.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/1108/Specter_tops_Matthews_in_PA.html?showall

Thomas Nast...

Interesting, Jack...fascinating story...

ROFL, Flatus!

Jack...the colors for dems and repugs used to be reversed. Blue for repugs, red for dems, but it was changed for communist reasons : ) Again, we know of the origin of the reference, but how did it continue to stick? Beast of burden, no more. Stubborn and mule headed? Obstinate and unmoving? The elephant should not be represent the party of sham. Too noble and intelligent...I agree with Patsi.

KGC -- The WSJ has the long knives out for Franken.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122644940271419147.html

Nast was a mugwump.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172442

Flatus, lol! Btw, do you compost your leaves?

BlondeW -- after Jack posted that Nast info, I tracked down this bit of history:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/06/history_of_the.php

Also -- Blonde -- Tennessee can be a frustrating place to live. (There's a saying here, "It could be worse. We could be Alabama.)

But Tennessee has a wonderful elephant sanctuary. Here's some of the ones they's saved:

http://www.elephants.com/bios.htm

Thanks, Patsi...from the article --

"Although the Democrats have never officially adopted the donkey as a party symbol, we have used various donkey designs on publications over the years. The Republicans have actually adopted the elephant as their official symbol and use their design widely."

Makes sense the repugs would act on adopting the elephant...and the dems not willing to do so with the donkey. Pin the tail on the donkey used to be a favorite childhood game for me...is that game still around?

Patsi

The Wall St Journal is criticizing the Franken campaign for acting like the Shrub Republicans....how droll...instead making sure every voe counts.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172452

LOL. Patsi, and in Alabama, we used to say "Thank god for Mississippi - keeps us from being last in everything"

KGC -- I thought the same thing when I read that piece of garbage about the recount. But as the piece you linked points out -- there is a paper trail. Life will be good if Coleman and Chambliss are OUT.

Elephants really should not be Republicans. Elephants are sensitive, intelligent, and have the good sense to be organized as a matriarchy. That doesn't describe any Republican I know.

Congratulations Flatus,

If one must be a great grandparent then getting the most beautiful and peerless infant the realm of babydom is a good exchange.

Welcome to the world Autumn Kim.

Too bad the WSJ is following the now traditional gooper innuendo campaign - we can't show that anything is wrong with the recount or that the Franken camp has done anything to affect the results, so we'll just suggest that the corrections made so far are patisan and untruthful, impugn the guy overseeing it as a partisan hack and throw in ACORN for good measure - that ought to call the recount into question.

the neo-cronies are patient and take a very long view of global affairs....remember how long ago they came up with this PNAC crap and tried to foist it off on whomever was in there at the time.......but they had to wait for the bush.......and Kristol is just a mouthpiece for them.....assured of a job, he will continue to spout.....and they will wait.....

hat-tip to Anon-P

Flatus, Congratus........kids are jake with me, all the way..........

Patsi

Chambliss and Coleman two who should NEVER been elected in the first place

I noticed John Edwards first public appearance went well as it was very controlled...no questions of the affair. It was reported that Elizabeth Edwards is not wearing her wedding ring. Maybe Mudcat knows more....

Flatus -- Congratulations on your new great grandchild. That is lovely news. Children are a joy and give us all hope for the future. Welcome, Autumn Kim!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172453

Kids still love to play "pin the tail on the donkey" although we modify it now -- put the nose on the clown, the nose on the jack-o-lantern, tail on the pig. I think Dover Publications had a retro donkey game in one of their recent catalogs.

Blonde Wino
No ring and apparently living apart...
http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/11/10/article/elizabeth_edwards_back_to_battle_for_health_care

But she spoke publicly about healthcare issues this week and was great.

Thanks, Diva. Thanks, KGC.

Off to work...2008 sure will be a year to remember for the dems...alas, an elephant never forgets, but a jackass is forever.

Good article on Elizabeth, KGC-- maybe she'll be a part of the health care repair team.

Tenth Anniversary Jackass Calendar

http://www.jackass.net/

Morning all, just enjoying a cuppa and catching up on Listers.

I think it was mentioned here last week, but I was watching CNN 2 days ago and they were talking about Obama's appearance last Friday. They said he looked great all throughout the campaign, but he looked visibly tired on Friday. They said that was 2 days after his big security briefing. I think he realized what he is in for. It won't be an easy job.

ivy...thanks...they have a caption contest!

Cute Calendar. I submitted a caption.

Chole

you can't go ---who is going to interpret for me when i mangle the english language----and you can't cheyenne with you

Flatus, congatulations

Hi all... This is off topic and yet fits in the whole notion of disillusionment with government and war...

http://www.opb.org/radio/archives/2007/04/there_was_no_ch_1.php

On this link you can hear a radio interview with one of the survivors from Jonestown. He is a vietnam vet and became part of Jonestown because of his anger at the US government and wanted to support a communal vision for the future. The man watched his 1 year old son and wife being killed with cyanide. He also extrapolates the anger he felt with the same anger over 9/11, the patriot act, and the surrender of our civil liberties (so that's the connection I have made). The man is quite articulate... but listening to some of this can be quite disturbing. But he was there, in the midst of it all, and it's a history that is worth knowing.

Flatus
At first, I was going to make a crack about spoiling the the child, but as I slid down the thread I see you've had some degree of practice already.

Cheers to you and yours.

Blue -
I watched the Atwater program as well , and seeing it I had another small marker that an era has really ended with Obama's election.

Stabbing Ed Rollins in the back, and then begging him for help at the end. How Republican.

IBM Hired to Develop Power-Line Broadband

The system works by using standard power lines to carry a radio-frequency signal in the magnetic field that surrounds the wires. The signal is continuously amplified by low-priced repeater boxes clamped to the lines. When an electricity customer signs up for broadband services, the supplier mails out a special modem that is plugged into the wall outlet where the computer is plugged in. Pricing starts at $29.95 a month, International Broadband says.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122644998675019183.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Wednesday lifted restrictions on the Navy's use of sonar in training exercises off the California coast, a defeat for environmental groups who say the sonar can harm whales.

The court, in its first decision of the term, voted 5-4 that the Navy needs to conduct realistic training exercises to respond to potential threats by enemy submarines.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ifiaOAaDtMvC-0eCfFr3aLRLXgYAD94DFKH00

Anon

Thanks for the link on electric cos and broadband. The technology has been around a long time, glad to see it is going to be commercially available. Competition is good.

Memories -campaign of 2004 Both Kerry and Shrub promise free broadband!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/09/kerry_broadband.html

Explore Ancient Rome With Google Earth

Through the magic of Google Earth you can now travel back in time to see Ancient Rome and all of its architecture in full 3D. The feature was developed by the Rome Reborn Project which aims to recreate a 3D representation of the ancient city of Rome from the year 320 AD, at the peak of the city's development

http://www.pcworld.com/article/153730/explore_ancient_rome_with_google_earth.html

KGC-

I'm still waiting on my "Free Lunch".

Space Urine to be Recycled into Drinking Water

"There's five containers of waste water from the Russian toilet to start the regeneration system going," said Magnus.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=123576&catid=4

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172477

Jamie, if you win let us know! lol

Unbelievable! The $700 billion bailout is also being used to finance the gluttonous credit card industry. Talk about targeting the money to the wrong sector. I am appalled.

DON'T BE A SLAVE TO YOUR MASTERCARD! - My personal mantra

The Tang Syndrome -

I posted the Urine to drinking water story because it contains yet another example of government spending. And how it can be spun. If I was the ghost of Lee Atwater, I could use it to ridcule someone. Take something people know absolutely zero about, that involves a bodily function, and uses taxpayer money. It's perfect political ammo.

But buried in the article here's what this thing is supposed to do :
"This system can recover moisture exhaled in the crew's breath, evaporated sweat, water used for washing, and, yes, urine. And make it pure enough to drink."

If you think that Tang is the only thing the space program has given us, think again.

I enjoyed the post, Craig. Thanks.

Before we leave the wistful remembrances of FDR, let's paws for a moment for Fala. "Biting Barney" notwithstanding, the Scottie dog as a symbol of hope and peace at Christmas stems in part from Fala's constant presence throughout the war at FDR's side. He is celebrated each November during "Fala Day" in Warm Springs, GA.

http://www.warmspringsga.com/calendarofevents.htm#nov

In defense of Barney, I don't think he's "a biter" by nature. I fault the handler for the recent incident...Barney's stance was sending a clear "don't touch" signal, but the handler permitted the approach anyway. In past years, Barney has participated in the annual children's' party with no incident. Scotties, by the way, shed little, and therefore make good allergy-dogs.

Anon,
lol, that crazy survival guy that gets dropped into the unknown and has a week to find his way out always ends up drinking his urine, filtered one way or another of course. Obviously NASA has the most sophisticated methods.

anon - Lee Atwater came off as the smarmiest of the smarmy. Karl Rove took good notes. But, did you notice how much more well-spoken W was at the time? Adopted the Texas persona for political expedience just like Papa Bush, I suppose. Only saw a head-shot of Rove, but I could just imagine him wearing parachute pants, playing a key-tar.

Let's hope Obama finds a place for someone as smart as Elizabeth Edwards on his team.

Why does GM need a bailout? If AIG has insured them with credit swaps & AIG is already getting a gov't handout, isn't GM lining it's corporate pockets with tinfoil so it can haul off a double-helping of shrimp from the party? Everyone seems to think this is an all-you-can-eat buffet.

"I watched the Atwater program as well , and seeing it I had another small marker that an era has really ended "

I fear it has merely expanded to include more of the population. Personal destruction is the norm now.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172491

Given the number of people now on earth, it wouldn't be too far fetched in the future to have each home providing its own "water" supply.

Hi to eprof2 & ty! Long time, no post.

If anyone has a better grasp of the AIG/GM credit swap issue, and that would probably be most of you, why does GM need the gov't handout if they've already covered their nut through AIG?

jamie - I refuse to wear a "still suit" a la the Dune trilogy.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172496

Ivy, I concur about Scotties. They are wonderful dogs unless you want a cat as well. Keeping Scotty from mistaking Furball for a little badger and doing to her what Scotties are bred to do to badgers would take some intense training. :-)

They are very devoted and sweet tempered dogs with the family they have adopted as their own. They make rather unobtrusive guard dogs because they are so fiercely protective, have a lot of muscle, and unusually long canines with a powerful jaw. .... a robber might be mistaken for a badger as well. :-)

Mr. D: Something like this maybe??

Changing the rules in the final days

As the Bush administration heads for the exit, it is leaving behind a not-so-welcome gift to the nation in the form of new regulations that aren't in the national interest and will hamstring the new leadership in Washington for months, if not years.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/story/767478.html

blue,

No Spice for you!!!

Blue -
I tried to muster some sympathy for Atwater, but all in all I was just impressed by his Karma.

As for Bush, cocaine makes smooth talkers of us all. That greasy complexion, and the glassy eyes. He was speedin' a thousand miles an hour.

Mmmm, melange.

The Havanese is a wonderful breed of dog; good for allergy-sufferers, too. Doubt one would ever show up at a shelter, though.

anon - Really? I figured that stuff would just mess up folks. Whatever the case, he did seem to have a lot better handle on things than during his time in office.

Now, Atwater was the one who seemed to be about 3 shades of crazy. Big mouth, no self-edit button, wearing blinders, no soul. Sad, really.

As Craig pushes for 70,000 words by Dec. 1st, I think it would be helpful to pitch in, and offer a few he might want to use :

cephalopods -

Blue -
Oh it'll fry people, but for a while they're firing on all cylinders. Most of those clips of him were from the late 80's. His current state of mind has that classic "burnt-out" quality to it.

Seeing Mary Matlin as his assistant - Perfect training for selling a war out of Cheney's office.

Corey - I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the exhaustion Obama was showing was a response to the security briefing as much as it was to the year of campaigning that he's just undergone. Most of us have the capacity to muster up reserves of energy in short bursts, but eventually the effort catches up with us. Now if he walked out of the briefing looking as if he'd been run over by a truck . . . that's a different matter altogether.

Pogo

And don't forget his grandmpther had just died too,

With both her death and the final sprint of the campaign happening at the same time, I'm surprised he was still walking.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172505

viv, check my post upthread from this morning - Congress can reverse those regs implemented within the past couple of months and going forward to the swearing in ceremony.

I knew there was a reasaon I didn't really want to be an astronaut . . . and it wasn't the Tang.

yeah jack - I'd probably be a candidate for about a week of sleep.

One other thing, if there is something so devastating in the security briefing then maybe it is time to tell the rest of so we can be prepared.

Jack

I thought Obama looked a little tired, but I didn't see extreme exhaustion. He'd had about enough time after the election to have the adrenaline ease off.

My theory about the Obama "look" -

They took him into a room to measure him for the saddle that only works for riding tigers.

Pogo -
Tang has disappeared from the supermarket here.

Anon, figures - even my kid doesn't like the stuff.

Anon

Maybe, it just hit home for him that people expect him to fix this mess, yesterday.

Jack

The weight of the presidency,,from one to another has always been a heavy one-----the weight of bush 43 is probably a little like if you have a son that has had his own way for 8 years and now doesn't know what to do about all the (grave) mistakes he has made,,and now dumps them on your lap----you have to correct these mistakes cos it involves the rest of the family (country) and it will harm them for the rest of their lives it you don't-----im glad that he is going to have some grown ups in his admin??

Anon

Riding the tiger is easy.
It is putting the saddle on, that is the trick. Pity the poor sob that gets that fun job.

Jack

I understand the pragmatism of holding off on some of the big priorities for the President-elect and his associates, but how can one tackle the economy and not directly deal with health care reform at the same time? I am not disputing the difficulties, but putting health care on the sidelines is not a good move, no matter what House Democratic leader Steny Hoyer told reporters:
"obviously, we are not going to be able to do health care reform in the first month or two."

The Obama Adminstration must SEIZE THE MOMENT and push forward, quickly and forcibly. The longer they wait, the greater the resistance they will confront.

Here's an article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7724019.stm

Jack -

LOL -
It's gonna take a big sack of cat nip.

Acid attack on Afghan schoolgirls
Schoolgirl in hospital after two men on a motorbike threw acid on her in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008
It is not clear who carried out the attack

Attackers in Afghanistan have sprayed acid in the faces of at least 15 girls near a school in Kandahar, police say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm

Words fail me.

From a comment on a chart of the commodities market.

My nomination for Quote of the day.

"The chart above reflects the old school cliche: Markets eat like a bird, but shit like a bear . . ."

To see the chart and comment
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/crb-roundtrip/

Jack

T. Boone Pickens on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart tonight.

From that same site :
"Go for a business that any idiot can run - because sooner or later, any idiot probably is going to run it. -Peter Lynch"

Words should fail you on this one as well, anon....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/13yearold-rape-victim-sto_n_140242.html

Sometimes courage is just going to school -

Atifa said she did not know why anyone would have attacked her and the others.

"I don't know why they did it," she said. "Kandahar is not safe. But we can't stay at home, we want an education."

Does anyone on this blog work?....Everytime I pop on for a quick look its the same people.....laughs

These cases are just more examples of females being considered property, Anon. There are thousands of such every day throughout the world.

Yes Patsi -

Jack -
We're all on Social Security

anon,
laughs....I guess that would explain alot.

We are just a bunch of kids blogging from our parents basement.

Jack -
I tried soaps once, but my interest in the Burgess Shale over came them -

"Yet, their existence is a paradox: the fossils have been buried deep in the Earth’s crust and heated to over 300°C (~600 °F), before being thrust up by tectonic forces to form a mountainous ridge in the Rockies. Usually such extreme conditions are thought to destroy fossils. But, in the Burgess Shale the most exquisite detail of soft tissues has been preserved."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081112074906.htm

Wayne how's Garth ?

Jane had a little post yesterday about that very subject -
( Jane has ....... a masters' degree in film business from USC, produced major motion pictures and wrote a best selling book.)

Sarah Palin seems to have a special place in her heart for bloggers:

Ms. Palin directed most of her media criticism at liberal bloggers, whom she twice called, “those bloggers in their parents’ basement just talkin’ garbage.”

http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/11/uh-sarahyou-sure-you-want-to-go-there/

Down in Florida when we decided to run 'reclaimed' water to every dwelling in town, we had to come to grips with irrigating every blade of grass, washing our streets and sidewalks, putting out fires, and washing our cars with potty water.

It took lots of public meetings and testimony by experts, but we finally convinced people that the stuff was safe enough to drink. In fact, a number of houses had been connected to it by mistake with no ill effects to the residents.

It also helped having people realize that the water we currently drink is not 'new' water--it's been recycled umpteen million times over the past billions of years. In the past couple of hundred years, we decided it would be nice cleaning it up before we drink it--and that's what we do.

The astro- and cosmonauts are smart people. They'll get beyond the psychological barrier to drinking purified potty water.

To all those kind people who graciously offered Stinky and me your congratulations, I say Thank You! Your good wishes mean more than you can know.

Flatus

Flatus -
Is that near Tampa ?

London - The era of "cheap oil" is definitely over and prices could again soar, to as much as 200 dollars per barrel, the International Energy Agency (IEA) warned Wednesday. "One thing is certain. While market imbalances will feed volatility, the era of cheap oil is over," said IEA Executive Director Nobuo Tanaka in London Wednesday.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/241335,era-of-cheap-oil-is-over-says-leading-energy-body.html

"Does anyone on this blog work?...."

jax, for some of us here, this is work.

We are just a bunch of kids blogging from our parents basement.

Besides, pajamas are all I own.

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

Adam Smith
The Wealth of Nations, Book I, Chapter X

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LG Display, Sharp, and Chunghwa Picture Tubes agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges for participating in a liquid crystal display price-fixing conspiracy and pay $585 million in fines, the U.S. Department of Justice announced Wednesday.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10095219-92.html

re writers and cats:

'...Robertson Davies tried to nail down the attraction with his oft-quoted: "Authors like cats because they are such quiet, loveable, wise creatures, and cats like authors for the same reasons." Oft-quoted by authors on their websites trying to justify their obsession, I might add.

Perhaps it's just that cat people are generally more … what? bonkers?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2008/nov/12/writers-and-cats

. . . shows what Palin knows - both of my parents are dead and I haven't worn pajamas for 38 years.

anon, I always chuckle at price fixing lawsuits when I drive past half a dozen gas stations whose prices are all within 5 cents per gallon of each other, irrespective of brand or supplier.

"How would Sarah feel if someone called her an ignorant, freeloading bubble headed piece of trailer park trash"

Actually those were some of the milder things she was called. Not to mention that blow up sex doll that was selling on line. All just in good fun.

I see the Dow is close to apoplectic this week - down about 10% so far. Wonderful

Don't forget the upcoming porno movie- Nailin' Palin.

Patd- I work at home and am resting my feet when I check in.

Anon, it was Pinellas County (St Pete/Clearwater area). The project started in like '93 and took a couple of years to do.

Patsi, I thought her presentation on Greta's show was worth the watch. Although I disagree with her politics, I think she's the genuine article.

anon, you might enjoy this.
"Attack of the Tiny Particles - be slightly afraid"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/nov/12/nanotechnology-pollution

flatus, she may be the genuine article, but politics aside, I sure wouldn't want to see her in the White House.

I don't want to see her in the White House either. But I firmly believe that gender based name calling is a part of the big picture that involves women as property, excusing spousal abuse, stoning rape victims and denying girls an education. To say it isn't one would have to believe that racist language is not harmful to the black community and homophobic language does no harm to the gay community.

patd, I spent a couple of days last winter at a seminar on nanotechnology in Ann Arbor. That article is almost entirely consistent with what I heard there. Nanotech and the paeticles that they manufacture and use in various products are in a sense the first new substances that have been introduced into the commercial world since the rise of toxic tort class action lawsuits, and the first product that may have deleterious effects that are wholly unknown but are capable of observation and testing before their widespread use, and aside from their use in cosmetics or drugs, are practically wholly unregulated unless they are introduced into some product that is regulated. (Microwaves were thought to be of similar character, but they aren't properly a product). That aside, nanotech is absolutely fascinating stuff on an almost unimaginably small scale.

"Don't forget the upcoming porno movie- Nailin' Palin."

Yes, and that film portrays a threesome between a state governor, a US Senator, and the US Secretary of State.

Cute.

Patsi, I suppose there was sexism motivating some of the criticism of Palin - but as for me, from the perspective of the content of her speech during the campaign and various reports of basic stuff she said that was simply wrong, she struck me as the dimmer of the bulbs in a box of 2.

Well, I'll be running along now. Everyone have a wonderful evening.

Pogo -- calling someone a dim bulb is genderless.

Seymour Hersh already has whistle blowers lined up for Bush's departure:

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/11/obama_wiretap

Victimhood is when people keep quiet in the face of bigotry. And as far as gay name calling goes, I will tell you that language equating the gay population with pedophelia has done terrible damage. That is the kind of name calling and branding that forges public opinion. Why do you think the Prop 8 crowd suddenly started worrying about "the children"?

The right has been brilliant demonizing people by destroying with words: "feminists," "liberals," and the rest. If this is a brave new world, we better not imitate them.

"Victimhood is when people keep quiet in the face of bigotry. And as far as gay name calling goes, I will tell you that language equating the gay population with pedophelia has done terrible damage"

Patsi
What a powerful statement!! True,just ask any gay person who wants to adopt in Florida! Terrible things said become facts to people who are looking for weapons against you,it doesn't matter if there true or false.....I'm still mistified at the breakdown of who voted for Prop 8 in California?Religion again used as an excuse to practice bigotry and deny gay people there civil rights...

Patsi

I worked with a man who was a very bigoted toward gays.

He didn't know who Fred Phelps was and the morning radio show was talking about him. So I told him that Fred was against homosexuals and he said "hey that's alright, I am too."
I then told him that Phelps went out and picketed funerals of people who died of AIDs.
He thought about it a minute and Said " Somebody ought to shoot that bastard."

Fred goes so far beyond the bounds of decency that he is easy to counter.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172581

The mans ignorance is amazing,
I don't know why but it always takes me by surprise.

Jack

Tony

Class is a better way to predict voting on issues like prop 8 or women's issues as far as that goes.

Jack

"He thought about it a minute and Said " Somebody ought to shoot that bastard."

Yes-- that's the reaction I get about Phelps. My sister in KS tells me that even her most conservative religious friends think he should be arrested.

Yes, Tony -- I think the adoption end of this is the most evil of all. Some of the best parents I know are gay couples, and when you consider the children in need of homes -- well, it is just abominable.

Tony---you don't have to agree,,,

End Religion and you will end 98% of all problems!

Religions are divisive and quarrelsome,,,,,,they are a form of one upmanship cos they depend on separating the---saved---from the ---damned----the true believers from the heretics, the in group from the out group...even religious liberals (and political party) play the game of we are more tolerant than you. further more as systems of doctrine, symbolism, and behavior, religions harden into institutions that must command loyalty and be defended and kept--pure-- and because all belief if fervent hope and acover up for doubt and uncertainty,,religions must make converts,,,,the more people who agree with us, the less naggiing insecurity abou our position????

One thing that I heard from a friend in LA is that she believes the anti-Prop 8 people counted on a big Democratic turnout and didn't work as hard as they should have. And she includes herself in that assessment. I still don't think Pop 8 is legal.

That would be "Prop 8".....

In the catholic church blacks were not wanted until other religions started converting them to their side----then all of a sudden blacks were gods children also----- there were no churches for the latin community or the blacks to practice their faith cos god did not want them in the churches of the pure---because of the bible ----the gay community will be the last ones that receive equality -----the bible says so--they will not go against the bible until there is a political force that are non beleivers---when???---all people that are tolerant of other religions are just enablers ----to say i have respect for other peoples religions, as long as they respect for mine imo are just fooling themselves,,, all religons by their own teachings are the only ones,,,when and at what time do you see all of us belonging to one faith----the true faith

The Vatican is answerable for much in this world.

Solar -- you and I should have a conversation about the universe, and where I told my mother I came from....when I was about 3 and a half years old.

Congrats Flatus!

Flatus - My congratulations, also, on the entry into your family and the earth's family of little Autumn Kim. It's hard to think that she is half a world away, but I know you'll find a way to see her. Lucky little girl and lucky family!

I especially welcome the news because I will be welcoming a new grand-nephew in January, and Autumn Kim reminds me of how exciting it is to have one of those itty bitty critters to hold.

His four-year-old big brudder and I are arguing re his name. I say 'acorn' and Alex says it should be ' eeyew'-
fun even before he's born!

Been running around all day. In case no one put up the link, if you would like the Democratic Caucus to dump Lieberman, Jane Hamsher has a petition going.

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/petition/nomorejoe

Jamie -- what do you think Obama's support for Lieberman is about? The old friendship?

Patsi

The Vatican should be answerable to much-----but in modern time it is beyond me how intelligent, educated people believe in the bible----i no longer find that most are so busy providing food for their families that they have no time for education them selves---i should talk huh,i can hardy put what is in my head into writing on this blog---but i intend to try to tell the 6000 lurkers the truth about what i do know about true history---religion, races----i love all,,and since i feel that the true path to equality is education,,,i will try---not just what one learns in school,,but what is not learned in school,,,christmass is coming up, and hardly anyone that i know how it (the truth) came to be----at one time it was outlawed by the church------ AND i would love to hear your little alien baby story---i knew that there was sompin funny about u-:-)))

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172586

Hey Solar
Oh but I do agree with your comment!! I just look at all the people who have been killed and maimed in the world in the name of religion!! I grew up a Mormon being threatened that I wouldn't meet my loved ones at the Temple if I didn't stay in line... Of course being gay was intolerable...Oh how I let them control my thoughts...NO MORE!!!

Silver's take on the Prop 8 vote:

"But the notion that Prop 8 passed because of the Obama turnout surge is silly. Exit polls suggest that first-time voters -- the vast majority of whom were driven to turn out by Obama (he won 83 percent [!] of their votes) -- voted against Prop 8 by a 62-38 margin. More experienced voters voted for the measure 56-44, however, providing for its passage."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html

Helen Thomas Returns To White

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-inZNvPyzE

Rezdog
Thanks for that Silver link!! I still think the older more experienced voters that supported Prop 8 used religion and the Bible to bolster there need to practice bigotry against gay people! I agree though time will take care of this injustice....

That was great, Rez -- thanks!!!!

Solar- so sorry for your troubles.

Oops, Tony39, sorry honestly.

Tony

did you see patsi's post ---she is not from around here---she is from another world----get her to tell us which one---i don't have the nerve to ask her myself-------we are all way out in outer space---and are all aliens ---aren't we-----the earth is already in space----we just don't think in terms of whole things----that is another thing that religions teaches us to do think in individual pieces not whole parts---------i doubt that many people know how many senses that we truly have---smell, touch, hearing, etc etc----we only have ONE----touch-----seeing hearing smelling is just a high degree of touching-----since they all have to touch vibrations in the air in order to accomplish the given task that they want---you only have one body---that has 2 arms, 2 legs,,etc,,,not seperate parts of a body---they are all of one body---there is only one species of humans right now---not more than one----one,, but we are taught that there are many diff people thru what they call races---there only one race----the horse race they have us in----the politicians,,, reporters,,etc they need the horse race in order to survive????

OSH----don't understand this-----solar so sorry for your troubles???im a pretty happy guy most of the time,,almost all of the time,,,,ive had to be,,,as most positive people that i know,,,im just a little pissed sometimes all, but not in bad i hate everything way---but in i can't do anything more way

ROFL Solar -- no not another planet...but similar to what you were talking about the other day.

I started going out and sitting on the chicken house every morning VERY early -- around daybreak, when I was about three or four. Mom said she asked me one morning what I was staring up at the sky about. I told her I kept wondering why I came down to "this place." She asked, "From where?" I said, "From when I was a spark."

She thought my religious grandma had been talking and asked, "You thought you were an angel"

I said, "No, a spark."

She asked, "You mean a star?"

A said NO A SPARK!"

And so I believe that sparks make up the universe, and we all started and will end as universal sparks.

Hello Solar, I know you are a happy one, you were conversing with Tonyb39, he wrote something sad, and I mistakenly wrote Solar, then apologized.

Sorry for going on a rant--

Solar- no problem

I saw the perfect t-shirt tonight. It read:

"I probably don't like you either"

Be sure to get one for the C-Lister on your Christmas list this year!

A couple of good guitar pickers on CMA Awards right now -- Brad Paisley and Keith Urban....

Lieberman will stay...just watch...

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002985547

Patsi----- AND i would love to hear your little alien baby story---i knew that there was sompin funny about u-:-)))

I love your story--even at three you had people scratching their heads about your idea of the world------i think that all humans---all living things on earth are spiritual----even little kids---i love the scene in one of the King Kong movies,,i think the newest one---where kong sits atop his mountain and looks up at the night sky with all the stars---he seems to be thinking---fuckin ay im part of all this

Solar -- I think everyone and everything is energy, pure and simple. I saw the energy leave my mother when she died. Flat out saw it.

Solar-being an atheist myself, I would (and do) blame many of the worlds problems on the 'one up-manship' of religion, but I also think that some people NEED religion. Life isn't always easy, and I think some people need the 'hope' that they are not alone in the universe, and that situations will get better. Haveing hope is better than just being scared, at least for some.

Please let this one be first of many

Bone Marrow transplant may have cured AIDS

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3622389,00.html

OMG, Jamie! Where can we go to donate bone marrow?

oh, just one of what we all are, Pelly... drops of water in the deep blue motion of a sunlit sea... but it seems that some of the drops sparkle... some of the drops DO sparkle...".

There is a National Bone Marrow Bank. It hurts like three kinds of hell. but you are there for anyone who you could be a match for.

Well, I'd be willing to see if my marrow would be of help to anyone...so I'll check it out. My generation's version of "pass it on."

Patsi---i agree with you 100and 10% it is that simple we are energy---i also had a similar expeirence ,,,an Irish friend of mine( he was half hillbilly---half human) that i loved like a brother died in my arms and his wifes, i felt his energy (spark leave) his wife did not feel anything she said----that colD ##$** never did---his name was sailer---still talk to him too onct in a while

:)

Jamie that's nice,,,where does it come from?

Yep, Solar. My mom died lying on my lap and I not only felt the energy/spirit go, I saw it. It was like a wisp of smoke. Only not smoke.

Rosie--people don't need religion to cling to ----they need their family's ----on this O had it perfect,,,the sooner that they go to church and feel good on sunday,,, on monday they are out doing the things that have caused them to go to church, to pray to feel guilty, to feel good about feeling guilty,,,and if that makes sense ill go to mass this sunday haha what they need is to feel all that surround them is all part of them,,, good and bad---the good will win out

I'm so sorry Patsi. I only hope that it was an easy passing for your mother.

Solar- what about people that don't have many or any friends or family to cling to? Not everyone is strong. Not to say only weak people are religious, before anyone gets mad. But If you don't have family and no friends and there is no God? That is really,really alone.

Tell me the truth-- u can u know----NO ONE---ever tells his/her priest, or what ever he is called THE TRUTH---they tell him the half lies that makes him able to charge u $---in diff forms,,,did i tell u that u can buy my way into heaven if you buy enough candles for me----yeah what are they now 1 buck per i don't know, but light a whole shit load of em cos it going to take a bunch of em

Oh, don't be sorry, Rosie. It was the way we'd all want to move on. She was 83, in good health except for a heart condition. She celebrated Christmas with her family, modeled a fabulous white suit from my sister, played card games with her grand kids until after midnight, ate everything bad for her that evening, including Hot Mexican Dip -- and got up sick in the night. Died from a heart attack before the medics arrived. But just feeling sick, no pain. We should all be so lucky.

But here's the kicker. Earlier that night she said to me, "You know, it's been exactly ten years since I celebrated Christmas with your father."

Yeah, but you're a Catholic, and therefore going to Hell anyway. Now, Baptist, you don't even have to buy a candle. You give 10 % of your income and ask God Himself for forgiveness and you're good to go.

"That is really,really alone."

Yes...it is...but I know exactly what will happen to me at that moment -- I will shoot right back into the cosmos.

I think sometimes people know, and sometimes...they a just ready. My Grandpa told my Grandma the day he died that it was their last day together. He'd been sick, and I think he was just tired.

"Now, Baptist, you don't even have to buy a candle. "

ROFL!

Well, got some people coming by so have to see you all later!

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust... and Einstein proved that all matter is energy.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172602
Hey Sea
Thanks! I learned much and I'm very happy now.T

Rosie---THAT is my whole point----one is never alone if one feels that everything, every part makes a whole-----that person is alone because he has been give the feeling that he has only his family---if he was given the feeling that he is part of you and me,,,,and that aborigine,and that mountain, and that ocean (not 7 of em just the one real one) would he feel lonely then?? once again religion does not make us feel a togetherness it makes us feel --your god is a phony, and mine is not----look up Deuteronamy,,,i think 13 it tell u that you have to kill your own mother, wife, son. if they have a diff god than u do---how in the world can this make anybody happy,,,,they only tell (preach) you the sweet stuff that is in the bible-----and that is what angers me----we demand proof of everything--except whats in the bible???

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/11/a-memorable-transition.html#comment-172398

Hey Chloe
What's up?I'm sad if your sad! Come on back and talk about it...I care as do many here...

That's why I like the Shito religion of Japan. It is a mixture of nature worship and ansestor worship. No 'my god is better than your god' stuff, and they believe that their family is ALWAYS with them. It's a NICE religion that plays well with others.

But there is nothing a aggrivating as someone using the bible as proof of itself. "But the Bible says...." as if that is the be all, end all, ipso facto.

But Rosie... as a Baptist, there's no dancin! Hell, there's no sex cos people would THINK yer dancin :)

Rosie---that is why that part of the world took so long to catch up to the western word----they practiced their religions,, while the west, and europe educated themselves in the sciences -- i believe in what B Espinosa believed in and was run out of town----i also get this teaching (feelings) from evolution,, cosmology(don't understand it all---but i have time too try -----if i can truly feel what i say a part of a whole some day---im ready to go----Tao is pretty good, i also like the philosophy of Vedanta, (Hinduism) but they are still religion to some extent

tylenol-it's ok as long as the lights are out and you don't enjoy it :
Solar-Tao is a philosophy. I think you have to actually worship something for it to be a religion.

So metaphysical tonight! I think all of the posts tonight show why there are religions, period. We wonder and try to explain. That's because we have a desire for knowledge and understanding, maybe because we are just nosy, or because we feel safer when we "know', or because it's just a human imperative - shoot, even other animals seem to want to check out the un-known.

To me the enemy is dogma and the organizing and sorting of explanations. It amazes me that the Catholic church even uses the word dogma to designate its dictates.

Out of our desire to understand has come the power to control the world. That's one of the reasons I enjoyed the book The Name of the Rose so much - it's a true history lesson re things done in the name of religion BY
churches.

That's why I voted for Obama - to keep churches from making our laws, and secondarily to keep any of our governments from forming the dogma of churches. If
Obama does let churches/dogma ease its way further
into the government. I will work to defeat him as much as I can. That includes the supreme court and any other venue.

If you haven't read The Name of the Rose, you should give it a go. It is SO much more that the movie. It isn't Tolstoy or Dickens or Twain or Shakespeare, but it doesn't have to be.

Religion/Church isn't that bad!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_fe_st/odd_sex_challenge;_ylt=An0HsX1kwN2YVVKsm4X.qPxxFb8C

Chloe - what was that about??????? You can't just dump us like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did people come to this country in the first place? Religious freedom.

When it or anything is tought it some what becomes a religion...in the books that i have read,,,even talking about them takes you away from your true self----that is why the monks went away into caves and such---i don't think that very many really feels these teaching all the way,,,but in one of the books it says something like this(i have been misqouating them all night but---- i would rather die 10 years to soon,,,than die 10 minuets too late if i can release my true self,,,,i talked about it all night ---now im going straight to ????oh no not heaven :-) thanks

Corey-so that they could practice their religion freely. That Is different than religious freedom. Do you really think that the Puritans tolerated people that worshiped other than they did?

Corey
yeah they did---but that was only a small part of it-----those particular people also were escaping for their lives, cos of politics ,,,it took a while to get here but it was planned by a few for a few,,,not the country that they escaped from-----religious freedom,,,,good cover for the rest that came after for land and,,,,,,night

Well, that's what I meant. Practice their religion freely. My Dad always proclaimed himself to be an aethiest. 7-8 years, he was in the hospital and very sick. He thought he was going to die. He was very worried. He asked me Mom if she would talk to her pastor and ask him to come to the hospital and bapitize him, since my Dad had never been baptized before. I felt right then that no matter what my Dad had said in the past, he some belief in him. I mean, he wanted to be baptized.

There's an old saying that there are no atheists in fox-holes.

Once that the people escaped from religious persecution and landed here----the ships that brought them here whent back and brought the others ---the religious ones in america,,assimilated in their new country----when the others got here it was the start of the original free markets

My step-grandma was very religious. She went to the same church we did. She was well-liked and well-respected in our church. However, when she died, she left my Mom and her 4 sisters out of her will. She only had her biological children in her will. That dramatically changed my opinion of her. It also made me realize that just because she went to church every Sunday, didn't make her a good person on it's own.

Rosie, did you ever see the movie "Dogma"?

That also begs the question: If one converts in a moment of fear- is that truely faith, or just covering your ass? I've had people ask me if I should'nt 'believe' just is case I'm wrong. How hypocritical would that be?

Rosie, you will enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UDoIBgiUAQ&feature=related

Corey-I kinda watched it. I was drunk and on a date. I was 'preoccupied'.

ill get together names dates times ----not to prove one thing or the other------just cos the truth is out there, there is so much information (history) that need s to be told----not by me,,, i don't have a need to be right---once again, i think that for the most part--we are not in the know about the whole truth,, and it is just what i have recorded years,,,,,,read, and,,,now there are a lot of sources that one can go to----all the sciences now talk to each other and confirm their findings,,,,it was a little more confusing before----there are names and dates now available that was not before

One of Buckley's little pet words:

Main Entry: ter·gi·ver·sa·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌtər-ˌji-vər-ˈsā-shən, -ˌgi-; ˌtər-ji-(ˌ)vər-\
Function: noun
Date: 1570
1 : evasion of straightforward action or clear-cut statement : equivocation
2 : desertion of a cause, position, party, or faith

My friend did the same thing watching the movie "Colors". Except he wasn't drunk at the time. LOL!

Rosie

in a fox hole---there are no gays. no women, etc, etc, just u and the one that is going to save your life,, or you his---never heard of religious person kick an atheist out of one--

What's the main difference between a christian and an atheist?
Most atheists don't care if someone is a christian.

Rosie

Corey-I kinda watched it. I was drunk and on a date. I was 'preoccupied'.

Now that thar was funny

I'm outie. Everyone have a nice night!

Godless Heaten Night on Trail Mix. Blasphemy abound!

Heathens, also.

This should help, Champ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-1p8vw-750

Champ

i guess i resemble both those remarks----a heaten, and a heathen---but do like your tao---but don't talk to me too much if your spellen is going to look like mine

Hi Sturg--saw your blog---i like---tried to leave a message but----that clancy looks, and sounds like a nice person,,,,once knew a clancy---we didn't get along too well,,no big deal

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Patsi,

Contact your local bloodbank. They will take your blood and send it to be analyzed. This information is then stored in a data base. If you are a match for any number of uses (platelets, marrow donation, etc.) you will be contacted to see if you are willing to undergo the procedure.

The more people in the bank, the more likely they will find potential matches.

Here is the website with all the information on testing, donation, and risks.

http://www.marrow.org/

Tao doesn't belong to anyone.

It's just amusing to me, Solar, that liberals pride themselves on their 'tolerance' and 'open-mindedness', and then ridicule the Christian faith and adherents of it.

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Rosie,

You really, really really need an "n" in Shinto. lol

Jamie, almost 30 years ago my cousin Danny had Leukemia. He was very sick. His brother Scott donated bone marrow and saved his life.

Well since you put it that way Champ yes,,,but not all liberals,,,most i think are just part of that go along to get along thing---i do know some that are not judgmental at all--just caring,,,,the others don't even know that tolerance is judging ,,,maybe im wrong,,,not my tao either but i like em just the same---question---i can;t remember before biblical times there were 300-400 laws of ????? all having to do with morals etc,,and it had all of the ten commandments,,bueler bueler , anyone, anyone?

163 mishvot. Deuteronomy is Judaism. John 3:16.

I'd like to be very clear on this - I am not ridiculing
Christians or any other religious group, or atheists or other believers of anything. I might disagree with them or even dislike them, but I do not ridicule them. I may be flabbergasted at their ability to believe whatever. I do not find them to be ridiculous - some of their beliefs, maybe.

I think life is very hard and scary for most people, and whatever helps them get thru it is fine with me, so i don't think they're ridiculous. They are often hateful and mean etc, but ideas and behaviour are not people.

If I hate anyone, it is the man who made that Cornerstone Speech, but that's easy to say since he's dead.

I don't feel I blaspheme altho I'm sure many would disagree. I consider myself not an atheist but a heretic and a claster of icons. I don't know all the answers, but I believe in questions. I'm a adherent of Voltaire's saying re defending free speech.

The ultimate rule for a free and progressive society is the Golden Rule.

"an adherent", not 'a adherent'

A day in the life of a jazz musician:

http://www.jamiecullum.com/journal/view/24

Crap! According to the site, I'm too old to donate, Jamie. Looks to me they'd take anyone who was willing and had healthy blood.

Emergency advice needed:

My sister just found a baby owl in her fireplace. The bird rescue center, which is very good here, is closed.
Jamie or Kgc , if you're here, any words of wisdom?
I told her to call her friend who is an animal representative and get some advice, but I sure wished Jamie was here!

Bethy -- Has she checked about an emergency animal hospital? We have one here in Nashville, and I've used it several times.

If she can't find an emergency facility, I'd guess she should put the owl in a box with a towel, maybe some sticks, and a little meat or something to eat if he/she can do it. Also, I wonder if there's a parent owl outside looking for the baby. (Probably too dangerous to put it outside again, even in the box, just in case of predators though.)

Thanks, Patsi - She got a call back from the bird rescue center and they told her how to capture it, and put it in a box, and take it in tomorrow am, but she opted to leave it in the fireplace. It has glass doors on it and the room is dark - right now the bird's eyes are closed but it had been watching her. She's afraid if she tries to capture the owl it will hurt itself.

She was going to call the er animal hospital if she hadn't received that call back. The bird rescue center here is really good. and dedicated.

This owl is a little bigger than a cockatiel - poor little thing. My sister had been hearing scratching noises but thought it was just the dog - HA! Some dog!

Just heard from my sister again - another person from the brc called her who lives in the area. She volunteered to come get the bird right now and will do so. We figure the first woman could tell how worried my sister was and called the second one. Those are good people. So the sage of the baby owl who fell down a chimney comes to a relieved end!

Wow -- what fantastic people! I'm impressed with the bird rescue team! And what a good thing that the little guy will (hopefully) be fine!

Bethy, let us know if they identify the species. Might be a saw whet owl...sounds like some dedicated volunteers they have there...

1. Mr. Crete,

There are 613 'commandments' in the 5 books of Moses. Many of them encourage feasts, celebrations, commemorations, and remind us to be grateful, kind, and chipper, etc. Other rules tell us not to have sex with our children or sacrifice them, or cheat people, worship race, beasts, carvings, people, or money, or . Almost all of it is now considered common sense, although it wasn't so common 3,500 years ago. Athenians and Romans were still sacrificing people to rocks 1,800 years later. Germans, Boers, and Hutus were still worshipping race 3,500 years later.

2. a. I donated blood yesterday for the 1st time in 8 1/2 years. Apparently, they now know that the sort of cancer I had (Bladder TIS) is not spread by blood.

b. It is far better to give than to receive.

3. I am playing already hookey from my plan to avoid the internet for a few weeks. 1 day. Such will power !

"I am playing already hookey from my plan to avoid the internet for a few weeks. 1 day. Such will power !"

Well, X -- from what I just read, if you ever want to work for the government, you better give up the internet forever. They are tracking down eveyone's names even on message boards. Sure glad I've always admitted who I am.

And I do mean "screen names" -- like xrepublican.

Uh Oh..... Think they will believe Mr and Mrs Ping Pong?

Well, as I understand it, they won't have to "believe" it. They'll know. God I am so glad I never went anon! ROFL!

Can't wait until anon paranoid finds out they'll find him....

A young woman and her boyfriend went and rescued the baby owl - a screech owl, apparently - not long after they called.

My sister said it took a little work to put the towel over the bird - it tried to escape - but there was no real problem. The woman hugged the owl to her chest for a minute, and said, 'My, you ARE a little one, aren't you? My sister got to pat the head and even kiss the baby's head - she is a mixture of maternal and animal love.

Our whole family is pretty bad that way, but she's the maniac.

She said the owl's feathers were really soft and fluffy.
She had tried once before to put a screen on the chimney but somehow it didn't work out. Now it is definitely going on.

Yes the bird rescue center does really good work - they must check the answering machine like clockwork.
Sonoma County is such a mix of rural and city that we really do need animal saving people. The marine mammal center over on the coast is in the world news every so often, saving and working on their specialty.

Bethy, thanks for the owl update. I checked here even before viewing the new thread. Let us know of any more news...especially if they give it a name!