Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

"Polls, pundits and bookies give the edge to Barack Obama."

which is why it may be closer than expected. "entitlement and inevitability claims" cause complacency, lower turnout because win is expected, people make third party vote b/c tho't not to matter, whose true believer base works hardest and so on.....

I may go ahead and cast an early vote toward the end of this week. I waited last week, and kept checking the polls in Tennessee. They remain double digit for McCain. One gave him a 20 point lead. I'll continue to watch this week, and if they tighten noticeably, I'll vote for the Democratic ticket. Otherwise it's Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente.

I have tried to get my daughter in Ohio to vote early -- she's an Obama voter -- because I think Ohio is going to be nightmarish. But she is one of those people who loves to turn out on election day.

"these uncommitted voters are overwhelmingly independent,...- They look a lot like the older white voters who broke against Obama at the last minute in the final dozen or so Democratic primaries"

Just like it's been all along.

"which is why it may be closer than expected"

It ain't over 'til it's over.

"Ayers Flap Drove Powell to Obama"

An excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway.

How to Read the Constitution
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122445985683948619.html

words to the wise http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1078254/Dont-cocky-Obama-warns-supporters-surges-ahead-McCain-final-TV-debate.html

Some GOP insiders say McCain has botched campaign to win Florida

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-gopangst1908oct19,0,4081829.story?page=1

Sweet Potato Pie -

today's fl poll
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_JELLY_BEAN_ELECTION_FLOL-?SITE=FLTAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Democrats have made a lot of about the Bush tax cuts and how they favor the so-called rich, but everyone who has paid into federal taxes received a cut in the amount of federal taxes. So should the Bush tax cuts be allowed expire, January 2009, you will see a reduction in your take home pay, and no one knows exactly what that reduction will amount to. If this does take place, it will take months for the new Congress to write and approve a new tax bill, in the mean time expect to see less take home pay. If you want to see several different opinions of this just Google, "The Bush tax cuts", omitting the " ", and I am sure you'll find at least one article you can side with no matter whose party values you cling to.

"But as far as Obama is concerned, Monday is Election Day. The campaign is flooding the zone this week with high-profile events -- including rallies in Miami, Lake Worth, Tampa and Orlando headlined by the nominee -- to make its early voting pitch on local television in practically every Florida media market."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html

"Ayers Flap Drove Powell to Obama"

An excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway.

Posted by: chloe | October 20, 2008 6:43 AM

Thank you Chloe! My thoughts exactly, but then again.....It is politics....

Powell supports Obama. This was a given and certainly no surprise, at least no surprise to me that is. Powell has always been more inline with Obama than with McCain, and Powell is still bitter about his performance before the UN over the Iraq war, and Powell see more of his life story in Obama's life story.

Anselm -

"Because of opposition to these measures from some in Congress, they were implemented as temporary tax cuts, all of which will expire by January 1, 2011. "

Anon -- you reported extensively on Tennessee turnout....have you heard anything new about the polls?

you mean if an excuse hadnt popped up Powell would have been unable to have endorsed?

I can see him sitting in his study, wringing his hands, just hoping for some excuse to vote for obama......

"I can see him sitting in his study, wringing his hands, just hoping for some excuse to vote for obama......"

Sturge, You know that's not what I meant.
He was going to endorse him regardless (once he was sure he was going to win anyway).

But it was just a handy way to rationalize to anyone who had any doubts that he was doing the right thing (without question).

At the same time, he used it to take a stand against 'dirty politics', which he knows that no one likes. That makes him look like some kind of proponent for all that's right. (So what if both sides have used dirty politics to get where they are anyway. ) Puleeze

I'm not faulting Powell. I respect him. But he didn't need an excuse in order to endorse.

Did anyone truly believe Powell was going to support a Republican after he left his Sec. of State position?

well, I dont respect him so much, but I s'pose you got a pernt there......

Patsi -

I haven't looked at Tenn. in the last few days . Today is when the wave starts to rise up everywhere. As I've looked at these stories about early voting the pattern is that the numbers have risen as the early voting moves along. With the record breaking start , one can only assume that this will really be off the charts.

Anon,

I think we are both right in different ways.

The central provisions of these landmark tax bills are scheduled to expire over the next five years, which means that taxes will rise dramatically for most taxpayers. Between now and January 1, 2011 (five short years away),

*
Tax rates will rise substantially in each tax bracket, some by 450 basis points;
*
Low-income taxpayers will see the 10-percent tax bracket disappear, and they will have to pay taxes at the 15-percent rate;
*
Married taxpayers will see the marriage penalty return;
*
Taxpayers with children will lose 50 percent of their child tax credits;
*
Taxes on dividends will increase beginning on January 1, 2009;
*
Taxes on capital gains will increase, also beginning on January 1, 2009; and
*
Federal death taxes will come back to life in 2011, after fading down to nothing in 2010.

I'm certainly not a fan of Clarence Thomas's, but thought that was a powerful speech he gave to the Manhattan Institue (linked above in wsj piece). I should have quoted these with the link:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed . . . ."

"......at least originalism has the advantage of being legate and, I might add, impartial."

"I think we are both right in different ways."

Ha! Yes!!
Ain't that always the truth.
Good Anselm!

This story broke yesterday -

Lobbyist helped protect Freddie from regulation
GOP firm was hired to kill legislation

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081020/BUSINESS01/810200360

This is bad news for Mitch McConnell -

Nine of the 17 targeted Republican senators did not sign Hagel's letter: Sens. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Christopher "Kit" Bond and Jim Talent of Missouri, Conrad Burns of Montana, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and George Allen of Virginia. Aside from the nine, 20 other Republican senators did not sign Hagel's letter.

Here the People Rule
By WILLIAM KRISTOL
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/opinion/20kristol.html?hp

chloe,

Thanks for sharing that article.

sobering
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/20/globalisation-economy-imf-india-africa

"Those who will pay the heaviest price for the foolhardiness of deregulated financial capitalism are among those who are least responsible, as Brazil's President Lula angrily pointed out last week. The shockwaves of the west's banking crisis will shipwreck more vulnerable countries. In developing countries, people don't have the resources - welfare provision, savings, insurance - to tide them over a crisis. Instead, they go hungry, homeless - and they die. Across Africa and Asia, countries are bracing themselves for multiple hits, with falls in aid already threatened and a likely decline in the remittances that buoy up their economies - in the UK, the immigration minister Phil Woolas is already signalling a harder line on immigration. Fear of global recession is bringing commodity prices down and will reduce the demand for luxury products such as flowers, green beans and hot holidays. The anger among developing countries will spread. Our worries about jobs and pensions pale in comparison with the fallout on the billions who will not be able to feed or educate their children."

Chloe,

Reading the article you posted above in the Tennessean, and I got a chuckle when i saw these 3 names linked together: Olympia Snowe of Maine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and George Allen of Virginia. Such odd bed-fellows politicians make.

Anselm, that was Anon's link (I think). I haven't read it yet. :)

"Report: 60 Million People You'd Never Talk To Voting For Other Guy"

"The 110-page document reveals that these strangers share a fundamental vision of our nation's future, a vision that shockingly runs completely counter to your own and is furthermore embodied by the candidate whom you could not in a million years fathom being the leader of the free world. Even more frightening, the report says, is that their votes count just as much as yours."

http://www.theonion.com:80/content/news/report_60_million_people_youd

BTW, its the Onion

Jack

Morning Joe goes down on the Governor of Alaska.

"Now for some fancy pageant walkin' "

Craig-n
So the other name for today is - No trust in the Polls !

What element will turn those undecided?

Is Obama buiding a new foundaton that will weather the next days or is it a facade that will be blown over?

Hey forget the Colin Powell endorsement

This is much bigger.

" When asked why the spaceships will appear, Prophet boldly says that:

One of the many reasons why they will do this is to show support for Presidential candidate Barack Obama. This will be done so people will know that Obama is the best choice to lead America through the troublesome times to come. "

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

Obama in Otown today with Hillary.

I signed up to ask questions... Do you think I will get the call?

Wonder how many will show ? Will he gain on the 100K ?

Jack
Prophet Nowey has disputed that claim

Question beyond Tax Cuts

What is the opinion on Tax Rebates?
If 95% of people get a cut and almost 50% do not pay anything at all - Then that almost 50% gets a check?

This is the redistribution Barack is bringing to us?

Maybe I retire?

Jack, I loved that article you posted from the Onion. Unbelievable! They addressed it all.

"The report also confirmed that even if you were able to communicate with these other citizens, your passion and conviction would never be enough to convince them not to vote for their candidate, just as they would never be able to convince you not to vote for your candidate, and just as nobody can convince anybody else that what they believe to be right is wrong, regardless of how clear the evidence to the contrary may be.

The report maintained that, during your purely hypothetical discussion, both of you would come off as smug, narrow-minded, or downright ignorant if you tried to criticize the other candidate's positions on key issues such as abortion and gay rights. The ensuing argument would only further cement both of your feelings of disgust toward the other candidate.

And yet incredibly, sources said, neither one of you would technically be wrong.

...you prefer conversing with those who validate your opinions and give you a sense of self-satisfaction."

Hmm, 38-deg on our porch this morning here in Columbia. No frost today, but it will probably be a little colder tonight. Too bad--the tomatoes are really doing well now that we're through with the summer heat.

I should probably bring the staghorn fern in for the winter, and our daughter made a really interesting planter with a whole hodgepodge of plant life, lots of it epiphytic, along with corals she found while beachcombing in Florida.

She's marvelously creative but is cursed by the residuals of the malnutrition she experienced as an infant.

"This will be done so people will know that Obama is the best choice to lead America through the troublesome times to come. "

or we could just find out the old fashion way. Wait and see.

Here is the question I submitted.

Someone please ask Sen Obama - how 90+% get a tax break and over 40+% already pay NO TAX.

Then this means the Barack Government will send Checks to those 40+% in addition to his other entitlements?

Who is going to pay for this and still create jobs?

ORLANDO SENTINEL - you endorsed him so get the facts

Is this Socialism?

No wonder Barack openly ridiculed Sen McCain when McCain expressed support for the Fundamentals of our economy which are Capitalism, Free Enterprise and rewards for success.

Good morning all!
Just came across this link- Newsweek Debunks "Kill Him" Rumors; Obama Knew They Were Bogus Before Debate

http://townhall.com/blog/g/d6015910-e505-49fc-804f-b6e72dc84405

Flatus, I was complaining it was cold this morning and it's 52. I hate being cold (just like your tomatoes).

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161106

But did all those Ohio plumbers have a license?

I think not

Jack

"Knew They Were Bogus Before Debate"

That didn't surprise you did it Sea? :)

The license was beside the point. Nothing to do with it.

Ping

I'm glad that the story is false, I was really worried about Aliens taking over our government. Especially Nazi aliens.
;-P

Jack

He can get a license and buy that business if he so desires. The answer to the question was still important to him no matter what. And it was his right to ask it, whether you like it or not.

The SF Chronicle has a good article on appointment of judges up and down the federal court system and the impact of each candidate.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/19/MNES13IOES.DTL&tsp=1

"Nazi aliens"

The worst kind!

Katherine, I think it was you over the weekend that asked if anyone had seen W?? Did you see it. If so, what did you think?

Chloe

I haven't seen it yet, but am looking forward to it.

Here is the fatal error in Mr. Krugman’s argument – which is a central talking point of the Obama campaign – which this writer then confirms Mr. Paul Krugman is on step with his role in the Obama efforts.

This is the false statement

“Mr. McCain claims that Mr. Obama’s policies would lead to economic disaster. But President Bush’s policies have already led to disaster — and whatever he may say, Mr. McCain proposes continuing Mr. Bush’s policies in all essential respects, and he shares Mr. Bush’s anti-government, anti-regulation philosophy.” Says Paul Krugman

Nothing could be further from the truth - McCain fiscal policy is NOT Bush. Bush was complacent at best and allowed social policy to overrule sound fiscal policy.

Barack Obama is this failed policy on steroids.

WARNING – Wake up the chickens

Barack campiagn is Facade not foundation – he is a contradiction. Or a foundation to socialistic future that has failed everytime aound the world.

Chloe

You don't need a lisence to own the business. You Hire your lisened plumber. You need him to pull permits. Then you hire a bunch of people to work under him and do most of the work.

BTW several of Obama's proposals will cost Joe the Plumber money before he makes one penny in income. They will hit him harder than it will the large corporations.

Jack

"You don't need a lisence to own the business. You Hire your lisened plumber"

I know that Jack. I know lots of contractors and people that work for them. It's a couple million others that refuse to understand that.

This is a comparison of the comparisons of the tax plans

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/competing-tax-plans-two-perspectives/

Joe-and-Obama

What about the tax argument and the claim that Obama’s tax plan would hit Plumber harder if enacted? That stands up, according to the Tax Foundation.

If his adjusted gross income was $280,000, he would pay $773 more in taxes under an Obama plan.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/17/joe-the-plumber-under-attack-mccain-to-the-rescue/

"Those are the facts chloe, your snottiness doesn't change the fact that "Joe the Plumber" would pay less taxes under Obama's plan than McCain's."

Not if his dream of growing a successful business came to fruition.

Hello North Dakota -

http://www.pollster.com/polls/nd/08-nd-pres-ge-mvo.php

"Obama's more immediate impact would be on the lower courts, where the federal judiciary does most of its nuts-and-bolts work."

So glad you posted this article, KGC. The fed court appointments are so damned important, and they are constantly overlooked.

"It's a couple million others that refuse to understand that."

Sorry, It just seems to be repeated by people who should know better, like Krugman, They aren't a part of the real world

Time for me to play at contractor, I is a real one I'm licenced, I passed the test, It was open book, but I passed.
I will be playing electrician without a licence later today but SSShhhhhh, nobody needs to know.

Jack

Big day for Obama propels him to 5.4-point lead over McCain—49.8% to 44.4%

UTICA, New York – Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 5.4-point lead over Republican John McCain in the race for president, halting McCain’s recent gains as the contest heads into its final weeks, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.

Obama now leads McCain 49.8% to 44.4%. McCain trailed Obama by 2.7 points in polling released yesterday.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1598

Sweet Potato Pie -

Brain - Broken record? Then Get your Boy Barack to say something other then his primary talking points!!

I am less concerned about the tax side - which is problematic - then the liberal socialistic elements that are in fact Barack - and the candy coating snake oil that he is selling -

More noise to confuse people to his actual records and who he is....

Now is he building a New Self and move to the middle or is this the campaign facade knowing people want Change -

so Barack is a chameleon (lizard that changes color) in his all out highly funded efforts to buy the election

Nothing as ugly?

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/angry-left-protest-cnt-sarah-palin-in.html

Bush the First used to talk about a New World Order --

Looks like it's coming:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1020/p01s01-usec.html

And Brain - do the homework - get out the Macro Economics

If we allow Social Policy to override sound Fiscal policy as it has regardless of who is in office - OK the old gaurd Republicans - there ya happy Brain?

This will flush our economy further down the toilet!

Then go plant your garden - maybe you can get some potting soil and big buckets for your balcony in NYC?

Barack = Continue and increased failed fiscal policy - PERIOD

Patsi

The most compelling argument for Obama is the judiciary.

Folks, when copying and pasting poll numbers into our threads PLEASE include the undecided/not sure numbers. For instance, in the ZOGBY poll cited above the undecided vote is 5.8% -- about the same as Obama's 5.4 point lead.

Pollsters unfairly get a bad rap when we focus on the brightline match-up numbers with no reference to the undediceds who could change the outcome if they break hard in one direction. When that happens, the pollsters get blamed. But the fault lies with reporting that omits the undecided caveat. In other words, a poll that shows the ultimate loser ahead was still an accurate poll if the undecideds measured in that poll were the "deciding" factor. It's not the pollster's fault if we ignore that possibility.

today on blistersyeahbutchannel

Pity Poor Americans at this time

Yes, KGC -- that's the bottom line. And I just have to hope he gets good economic advice. Because he's gonna need it.

Ping...

What do you call almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money bailing out Wall Street and the Banks?

Isn't that Socialism?

And there is video out there where a congressman was told in a closed door meeting at the White House by Bush that if they didn't pass his Social Bailout he would declare Martial Law.

I believe he said several congressmen were told that.

Privatize Profit and Socialize Debt.

Is this your view of sound fiscal policy, sure sounds like it.

Anon-P
Cool morning in Otwon - you going to see Barack?

YES you could call it Socialism.
But how did we get there?

The first step was allowing social policy = easy housing - to override sound economic and fiscal policy.
This was aggressively pushed by the government - OK no names on who pushed -- we all know.

Barack is more of the same change in FUNDAMENTALS and will push even more social policy that will override sound fiscal policy.

We all want front line Healthcare and housing - but you can not kill the goose that lays the egg

Shapiro in Salon "Turning Indiana Blue"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/20/indiana/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161107

Ping, This has existed for years. Working Heads of Household with children under a certain amount in income receive funds to bring them up to the poverty level.

so did bush buy the elections? or just steal 'em.......

"In other words, a poll that shows the ultimate loser ahead was still an accurate poll if the undecideds measured in that poll were the "deciding" factor. It's not the pollster's fault if we ignore that possibility." Craig Crawford

Yeah what happened to the Keith ranking that included the undecideds

KGC, i really liked the "Keith" number, was a good way to highlight this factor, doesn't he still do them?

Craig

Don't know. I have not heard it since the primaries.

"so did bush buy the elections? or just steal 'em"

Maybe he paid someone to steal it for 'em.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161141

Sea, One thing to consider about the various "bad actors" at events is that there are times when they are dirty tricksters who either on their own out of some sense of fun or (rarely) at campaign direction show up to make the other side look bad. I make it a point to question any photographic "evidence" because it is so easy to fake.

This is one of the reasons, you often don't see these people on the news unless there was someway for the news crew to determine that they actually do support the opposition.

KGC, IMO Keith is an articulate porcinus horribilis who uses his intelligence maliciously. That people accept his claim that he is a journalist rather than an entertainer is a tribute to the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

Imagine spending half a billion for a job that pays in the hundred thousands.......very weird.

bully pulpit, indeed.......

Dog,

I simply corrected the factual error that existed at the time of my post.

There are lots of places that we can change tax policy. IMO, eliminating the idiocy of calling socially desirable inheritance taxes 'death taxes' is a place to start. And, it's time to disallow business deductions for golden parachutes that exceed severance pays for other professionals. And to start looking at taxation of wealth being expatriated from our country. And...

Craig,

Keith hasn't done the Keith number for a while...I remember him making some on air reference to regretting the term towards the tail end of the primary campaign...

Patsi,

What is the gas situation like in TN these days? Have things fully recovered from the Hurricane issues?

Sturgeone,

It's easier justifying paying that much for the ability to be the most powerful man in the world instead of spending hundreds of dollars to a stripper who will use alcohol and a little friction to create the impression that this hottie actually has a thing for you...

If Obama is to deliver all his promises he'll need to look for more revenue that just going after those who make over $250,000.

Question: If you would look at your IRS 1040 form, can anyone tell me which line will be used to to determine if one is considered above the Obama's "Rich" line of $250,000.

Line 7. Wages, salaries, tips, etc.
Line 22. Includes line 7 through 21, Total income.
Line 37. Adjusted gross income.

All 3 lines can and often are different. So which one will Obama chose?

yeah, but............

"Imagine spending half a billion for a job that pays in the hundred thousands.......very weird."

Sturg, there are BIG bucks behind his campaign.

His spokespeople like pointing out how many small contributors his campaign has gathered implying it is a grass roots effort that has amassed all his hundreds of millions.

Nonsense. His thousands and thousands of small contributions, while significant, are overshadowed by the great big bucks provided by special interests.

Bear -- the hurricane fallout we had involved lines at the gas pumps. Personally, it also involved family from Houston and Cincinnati having to leave their homes and come to Nashville because of power failures.

One thing that lingered -- my nephew in Houston was out wading in water, putting up more sandbags and helping a couple of neighbors. By the time he got to Tennessee, he was starting to get sick, and it turned out to be a bacterial infection that the doctors said was probably from the toxic waters. It took him a couple of weeks to get over it.

Oops -- Bear -- I never did really answer your gas question. There were lines for about a week, then it eased up. Supposedly, part of the reason for the shortage was that when people heard there might be a shortage, everyone started filling up every vehicle they had.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161167

Flatus, The term "death taxes" is one of those nails on blackboard items for me. Inheritance Taxes were among the few along with tariffs approved by the founders because they so ardently opposed the hereditary wealth and position of the privileged Europeans.

There is room for improvement in relation to indexing of capital gains and protection of family owned businesses, but for the most part, the bottom 90% of the population doesn't pay a dime in "death taxes" because of the huge exemption.

This is just another example of the Conservatives giving negative names to things to totally distort the reality and fool people into supporting something that only benefits a small group of very wealthy people.

bear.....never mind all that......tell me more about that stripper............

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 10:43 AM

Well put. I don't watch Keith except if Craig is on

Patsi,

Is TN serviced by the Colonial pipeline? This pipeline was responsible for the shortages in GA, SC, NC.

"...it turned out to be a bacterial infection that the doctors said was probably from the toxic waters. "

I hope they reported it to the CDC.

Map of the World According to Sarah Palin

http://www.dinglebum.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/the-world-according-to-americans.jpg

Sturg,

I refuse to partake in any endeavor which requires me to pay money to tease and frustrate myself to no decent end...unless I am in the role of tortured sports fan...plus, once you visit that type of establishment in Montreal, Tijuana or anywhere in Asia, you can't go to a club in the states...

Patsi,

I hope he's doing better now. I can't help but wonder what the long term environmental impact will be in that area...Since Texans aren't big on environmental safety, I doubt many will care...

Ping and anyone interested...

d.k. raed whom I have a link for on my site which I can not get to since its blocked here did a post on what Joe the Plumber's taxes would be.

She does taxes for small business's that fall into the $250,000 dollar range. See what she had to say about what Joe's taxes would be if you really want to know.

Later tonight I will post a link to the post she did as well after I get home from work. She also said in her post that she hasn't been called in to the IRS for audits of anyone's returns she has done.

"This is just another example of the Conservatives giving negative names to things"

Exactly right, Jamie. "Partial birth abortion" topping the list.

Joe Biden, "Obama will be tested within the first 6 months." Somehow I don't find that reassuring.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

"Is TN serviced by the Colonial pipeline? "

I don't know -- but I did hear that a gas line that services the other areas with shortages also affected us...

" hope he's doing better now."

Bear -- he is fine now. I think his problem was that this was his first hurricane -- and he didn't know about the toxic waters they bring in....although I noticed the neighbors he was helping never mentioned it and let him go out and do the wading...:)

Interesting Time story on the so called Bradley effect and what the real issues were in that govs race.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/the_bradley_effect_reconsidere.html

"...Then Get your Boy Barack..."

Dear Ping Pong--

Just a line to let you know that your sheets have been laundered (with bleach, as you insisted); the eyeholes have been mended; and your robe has been rebraided.

Drop by any time to pick everything up.

the red and black robe?

Nice article KC, is it possible that the tax (plumber joe) issue is the equivalence of the 1982 gun control issue for some areas? Maybe, but the Obama campaign coffer is a nice playing field leveler for any last minute spark issue by McCain imo.

Even if there is some "Bradley effect" -- I think that the new voters will more than counter it.

Rez

I think the McCain campaign is looking for the "gun control" issue. So far the gun control issue is the economy. Plus everyone hates Shrub. Shrub's ratings are even lower and even more people think the country is on the wrong track.

I'm surprised that anyone is voting for a Republican.
Where are the Jack Kemps and Christy Todd Whitmans..very quiet this cycle. It will be interesting to see how the goopers fix themselves after the election.

If they turn to losers like Newt, they are imo finished but if they look to the more reasonable centrists voices they might have a change to come back as a party. Whitman has her own pac as to some of the more moderate voices.

Whiteman originally called her pac my party too
http://www.mypartytoo.com/

Now the Republican Leadership Council
http://www.republican-leadership.com/

O (2) & M => 8/N

M & B (1) => 8/A

B (1) & ? => 8/E

What about a poll you pay to take? The disposable coffee cups for McCain at 7-11 are running low, while nary an Obama cup has been taken. Then again, I live in a very red area of a red state. However, Obama supporters get their morning joe from Starbucks.

First my apologies for slipping into a colloquial use of a term that may for some with a prejudicial ignorance have the appearance of a slur.

For those that know the Ping – they know nothing of a slur was intended. That I have respect for Barack and his desires but strongly disagree with his platform and ‘ology! He is going the wrong road to get there!

To those that do not know the Ping and have open minds they will understand.

For those that jump to conclusions and find their own hate, then apply it....then please have a nice day.

Da Ping

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161191

Patsi,

I would bet that a lot of the locals he was helping wouldn't have thought the waters were bad if the local government let people return to the areas...

Plus, just looking at everything going on with the Natural gas drilling in this area, it doesn't take much to distract people from the potential pollution issues. At least in the case of the drilling, money was used to distract...

Blue,

I can't imaging buying coffee at 7/11...maybe that really moves the poll data you speak of...

BTW, have you seen King Tut yet?

pogo, what think ye esquire-wise? notice any changes in fee-making in your neck of the chambers?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/19/AR2008101901397.html?hpid=sec-business

I knew you meant no slur with the comment, Ping. Whoever responded doesn't know anything about you.

"If they turn to losers like Newt, they are imo finished but if they look to the more reasonable centrists voices they might have a change to come back as a party."

KGC,

My guess is that they will mark time until after the first year while giving the new all-powerful-in-their-own-minds Democrats all the rope they need to create a new, ultra-left governmental troika that will be nowhere close to the centrist government that most Americans want.

At that point, a young Republican will suddenly emerge, waving the 2010 version of the Sayings of Newt, and the Democratic majority in the House will be gone.

Bear -- the water my nephew was in was the night of and morning after the hurricane. And I think his neighbors are older, while he's in his 30s....so they were probably just glad to have a guy with a strong back. :)

blue, the latest jelly bean poll count is linked in my 7:07 post. can't remember whether they also had to buy to vote. interesting dynamic to consider. new twist on buying votes.

"If they turn to losers like Newt,"

KC,
I don't remember the source or the exact quote, but during the race to legislate the 700 B, Newt apparently was sandbagging McCain by publicly supporting the vote while opposing it in the shadows. I think he see's Palin as a weak frontrunner in 12/16.

Ping....
isn't it amazing to watch some on the left fight hate with hate.....
those of us that know you..... luv you.....

KGC..... the Dems will eventually overreach..... when one party controls everything...... as it looks like the Dems are about to do..... they always go too far and become corrupt..... it's human nature..... nothing is static.... it's always changing.....

I'm proud of my beloved Red Sox this morning...... I honestly didn't think they'd make it past the Angels..... what a fun ride I had this season.....
now go Rays!..... beat the Phillies!..... :0)

"...go Rays!..... beat the Phillies!.." Bless you, Renee.

I claim loyalty to three teams--Cleveland Indians. the Rays, and the Brooklyn Dodgers. Go Rays!

just in case anyone assumed I was adding to the slur on old Pinger:

Henri-Marie Beyle (January 23, 1783 – March 23, 1842), better known by his pen name Stendhal, was a 19th-century French writer. Known for his acute analysis of his characters' psychology, he is considered one of the earliest and foremost practitioners of realism in his novel Le Rouge et le Noir (The Red and the Black, 1830)

First my apologies for slipping into a colloquial use of a term that may for some with a prejudicial ignorance have the appearance of a slur."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161199

Ping,

That used to be such a common expression and I NEVER connected it with race. I have almost slipped before, then changed it to your 'guy' because I know everything we say since this election began leads to assumptions and accusations of racism. I understood exactly how you used it, but I knew someone somewhere (that doesn't know you) would say something.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161127

Geez all the guy said was a simple comment on more people getting a tax break and you go all postal. Take a chill pill babe

Ping....
isn't it amazing to watch some on the left fight hate with hate.....
those of us that know you..... luv you.....

Posted by: RebelliousRenee | October 20, 2008 12:50 PM

Puhleez... are you actually suggesting that "the left" has cornered the market on hate? Have you been awake the past 8 years? It takes 2 wings for a bird to fly and there is plenty of hate being tossed around, even by people who complain about it.

Flatus
"At that point, a young Republican will suddenly emerge, waving the 2010 version of the Sayings of Newt, and the Democratic majority in the House will be gone." Flatus

Now there's a gloomy thought.

"the Dems will eventually overreach..... when one party controls everything...... as it looks like the Dems are about to do..... they always go too far and become corrupt..... it's human nature..... nothing is static.... it's always changing....".RR

Based on what I have seen here and there. I don't think we will be waiting long.

Rez
I hope Newt is left with only Faux News as his audience.

Does anyone have some interesting or unusual tips for saving money on grocery shopping or food in general? I want to write about it the local paper.

Seahag and chloe can scoff all they want, but nothing as ugly has EVER been deployed against McCain or another Republican this cycle.
This is what Powell was speaking about.

======================

Nope, but BO DID against Hillary & Bill all thru the primaries ...

KGC-
Tip from the Ping....

Eat a Fried Bologna Sandwich (the some what official sandwich of Crawfordslisters) before shopping.
This will curve the desire to buy to much
Also you might think healthy
Buy the store brands - Publix has a great brand that cost less but great quality

I would like to inform all of you, who are saying. "Only uneducated racist, are voting for McCain. " I am a 53 year old Black Woman, who is very educated. And I am voting for McCain\Palin. I will not vote for someone, who is unqualified, simply because he shares my skin tone. It's people like you who make it hard to keep race out of this election. And you talk about all the negativity, coming from McCain rallies, well let me tell you something I witnessed at an Obama rally. You see I went a couple of times, to listen to him, to make sure that I was giving him a fair shake. I seen men and women, wearing t-shirts, that called Gov. Palin a C--T, and ones that called her a PUCK-Fu--er. Now as I've already said I am Black, and I was more offended, by a women being called those things, than I was ever at being called a Ni--er. Obama, has only done one thing, he has managed to bring racism, right back into the fore front, so now everyone is once again taking sides. As far as Powell, supporting Obama, this might have mattered before, but I don't think people really care now. If anything I think it might help McCain more, because Republicans will see this as just another Black man, voting for Obama, simply because he's Black. And I think it may cause White People to really change their minds about him as well.

Two days after the election is the world wide "Blog Blast For Peace". Anyone with a blog can participate. For information, you can go to my place today at

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

or at the originator's

http://mimiwrites.blogspot.com/

lol . . Deja vu

Ping

I have friends that are R's and they like you are gentlemen, weather you offended someone or not, is not as important as your concern for another persons feelings,,,,,,i wish that more here would follow that example,,,,,,,,and more from the extreme left, and the extreme right that is what i call reaching acrose the isle ------it looks like you officialy started eliminate hate week by your example,,,,,kudos.

" but during the race to legislate the 700 B, Newt apparently was sandbagging McCain by publicly supporting the vote while opposing it in the shadows. I think he see's Palin as a weak frontrunner in 12/16."

Rez -- that sounds like a good possibility. I do think Newt's power is history, but he's still a snake in the grass. And I like to try and keep up on what new BS he is spouting. Grover Norquist is another snake that continues to slither around the edges of power. And he worries me even more. His "starve the beast" theory is in play right now.

"now go Rays!..... beat the Phillies!..... "

I'm not really following baseball (since the Dodgers left Brooklyn...) -- but may I add, Go Titans!

"a young Republican will suddenly emerge, waving the 2010 version of the Sayings of Newt, and the Democratic majority in the House will be gone." Flatus"

I heard a commentator on NPR today saying that behind closed doors, many Dems are hoping they don't get as many seats as they are publically hoping for....they say they'll be on the spot for things promised but impossible to enact if they do.

Here are the current 7-Eleven national poll results

http://www.7-election.com/

Ping
Thanks
Last night on the Food Channel's show Diners, Drive-ins and Dives --they featured a fried baloney sandwich. It looked pretty good. You are right...never go grocery shopping hungry.

Store brands are a great tip. So far my favorite tip is "Eat Less!"

Jamie,
One of two things, either McCain supporters don't drink much coffee or stop in at 7-11s. Also, I guess Obama fans are Dunkin' Donuts (NE fave) people and fill up there instead of 7-11.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161219

KGC, There are obvious ones such as using coupons, getting a supermarket card and use it, look for the loss leaders and stock up. Buy paper products in bulk. If you have a small family, form a buying group and use places such as Costco by dividing up the purchases. Dry goods can be bought in extra large sizes and stored in large canisters. Set up a storage area to take advantage of canned good sales. Buy store brands.

One of the cheapest things to do: Learn to cook. I can make pilaf from scratch just as fast as "rice a roni", have a much larger quantity at 1/3 the price. You can come close on time for almost everything packaged and frozen for convenience.

Jamie

Thanks --great ideas! The buying club for costco is a wonderful tip.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 10:43 AM

Hey Jamie, I agree with you there, I was just pointing out that it can be ugly on both sides. You pretty well covered the cheap eats topic too. When I saw KGC's post I thought I would give her a few tips (being a single mom of 4 I got so good at it I could always ask someone to eat with us if they happened to stop in) but you beat me to the punch and added a few I hadn't considered!

Patsi....
the Titans this year are awesome!....
they're the only NFL team left that's undefeated so far this season....

I get to stay up late again tonight to watch my beloved Patriots play the Denver Broncos on Monday Night Football..... Rick is taking the week off to do some stuff around the house..... so we can sleep in late all week long.......

I've never had a fried baloney sandwich..... gotta try me one....

Oh the excitement !! Barack only 4 blocks from my Downtown Orlando office !!!

Maybe I can get some photo's? Will be interesting to see what pandering he does here. More stories to the facade - Come on MR BARACK, Just come out and say it again - I want to give more to more people without regard to the fiscal sound nature of a policy. So vote for me - afterall I can buy more ad's since I backed out of my promise - Oh surprise.

Barack doing something different then his words just words...

But for real Hillary will be there also !!! Barack is moving closer to her policy.. at least for now

There goes my usually simple ride home

Re: Jamie's posting of the 7/11 poll:

Poor Senator McCain. If he's doing that poorly among 7/11 customers, just imagine what his numbers would be like among the Starbuck's crowd.

Postum was favored by the Mormons and others who do not use caffeine. Usual canard from the low information bully poster.

Mormons mourning Postum: a consumer culture post

By William Morris | 12.17.07

My youngest sister recently shared the distressing news that the toasted wheat drink Postum has been discontinued. Created by Seventh-day Adventist health foods icon C.W. Post, the drink would appear to be a victim of the continued caffeinization of America. From what I can tell from Internet searches and anecdotal evidence, it would seem that the only people that drank it are Mormons, health food nuts (although Postum was hurt in this market by alternative toasted grain drinks that aren’t quite so American and mass-produced), and coffee lovers that were forced to go with a non-caffeine and/or gentler-on-the-stomach hot drink because of health issues.

" My point was that Postum was something favored by the elderly. "

ROFL -- Get your AARP card yet?

“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

So this is a reason to vote for Obama? Say it ain't so Joe!

Wow - My Post was accepted by NYT !!
Holly Cow...

Maybe the Social Policy over sound Fiscal Policy is hitting a note !!

Several comments along this same concern

"...to test the mettle of this guy."

If someone is going to test his mettle, he'd best head for Parris Island and do some serious mettle building.

wait...
Barack will see if they would sit down and have some herbal tea first. made from a renewable source that is Eco freindly

More from Joe - opps the truth does slip out - biden later..

So when McCain is elected no test as they know they response !!

McCain = Sound fiscal policy - no test from those that want to destroy our country.

I am heading down now to ask Barack is thoughts

Obama has $500 million to spend on this election? I'm all for spreading the wealth now. Gimme some money, Obama!

Re: Seattle speech

Bowmanc,

I still love and respect my guy, Joe Biden, but what in the world was that all about?

If he's trying to manage expectations, it might be wise to wait until November 5th before putting out that particular message.

Ed,

maybe it was something he heard at the Home Depot when he was talking to Joe the ParkingLot guy.

Hi gang. Here's a great quote that just went up on Gawker today that's right on point with Craig's post:

"To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. 'Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?'" — Humorist David Sedaris on supposedly 'undecided' voters.

I don't even respect Colin Powell, but I have to say it seems to me it's very possible he didn't feel he needed an excuse to endorse Barack, and simply answered a question about his reasons. Why all the hubbub about an excuse? O thers weren't suspected of having an excuse.

I think and have always thought Mama Bush bought the election for her little boy. She is on record as being willing to do just about anything to protect her "men."

Patsi and KGC - bless you for emphasizing the importance of the federal judiciary when deciding for whom to vote. That was one of the reasons Powell gave, wasn't it? Everyone who thinks McCain can't do much damage should contemplate the idea of a scotus filled with repubs, pro-lifers, and corporate friends FOR THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS OR SO.

Did anyone see the voter in NC say he had changed his mind and would vote Obama? His last name was Fanning - wonder if he's the husband of the witch who wouldn't shake Obama's hand. If so, maybe he was mortified by her disgusting behaviour - should have been.

Valet Parking at Home Depot. Too funny.

I was thinking more about the guy that retrieves the shopping carts. Probably has good info for Joe the Senator.

Powell is trying to rehab his reputation.

It is just amazing how he was vilified by democrats for his UN performance, but now that he has endorsed Obama all is forgotten and he has his Mojo back.

By the way, just so you stop and think when you read some of the clowns writing in the MSM these days:

Joe Klein on MTP during Bush V. Gore, talking about Social Security:

KLEIN (5/6/00): The—the concern I have about the Gore campaign is that he has learned one lesson and he's kind of becoming a one-trick pony.

RUSSERT: Attack. Attack. Attack.

KLEIN: Attack. Attack.

RUSSERT: Governor Bush put forward a Social Security plan calling for a partial privatizing, and he attacks, saying that is risky...Why, why—why does Gore just auto-, almost knee-jerk, attack, attack, attack?

KLEIN: Well, because it's—it's, you know, scaring people about Social Security and Medicare has worked for the Democrats since time immemorial.

These are new to me - sorry if they're stale. I thought you might enjoy some light-hearted foolery.

1. The roundest knight at King Arthur's round table was Sir Cumference. He acquired his size from too much pi.

2. I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian.

3. She was only a whisky maker, but he loved her still.

4. A rubber band pistol was confiscated from algebra class because it was a weapon of math disruption.

5. The butcher backed into the meat grinder and got a little behind in his work.

6. No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

7. A dog gave birth to puppies near the road and was cited for littering.

8. A grenade thrown into a kitchen in France would result in Linoleum Blownapart.

9. Two silk worms had a race. They ended up in a tie.

10. Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

11. A hole has been found in the nudist camp wall. The police are looking into it.

12. Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

13. Two hats were hanging on a hat rack in the hallway. One hat said to the other, 'You stay here, I'll go on a head.'

14. I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.

15. A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.'

16. A small boy swallowed some coins and was taken to a hospital. When his grandmother telephoned to ask how he was, a nurse said, 'No change yet.'

17. A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.

18. It's not that the man did not know how to juggle, he just didn't have the balls to do it.

19. The short fortune-teller who escaped from prison was a small medium at large.

20. The man who survived mustard gas and pepper spray is now a seasoned veteran.

21. A backward poet writes inverse.

22. In democracy it's your vote that counts. In feudalism it's your count that votes.

23. When cannibals ate a missionary, they got a taste of religion.

24. Don't join dangerous cults: Practice safe sects!

Good comparison graph of the last month of Bush Gore election and then a graph of this one. The graph for this election is a lot more constant

The State of the Race
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/10/the_state_of_the_race_1.html

ROFL, Bethy -- my ex-husband loves those word plays, and I'll send those along to him....

Undecided is the current winner in Mo.
Obama lost one point from last week and McCain three
Undecided pool grows larger

"Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

-Joe Biden

Guaranteeing an international crisis? Un-fucking-believable. So long America; it was nice while it lasted.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161259

Corey,

What are you going to do with the 25 cents?

I'd love to hear the liberal apologists explain how they can vote in clear conscience for a guy who guarantees an "international crisis". How would he know? Hmmmm...

Here's the link on Joe the Plumbers taxes. But first a short excerpt.

"I've estimated that in order for any Obama Tax Plan increase to even begin to impact you, Joe, your prospective business would have to be generating gross sales revenue of around $2million/year. Using industry standard expense figures, your direct costs would be about 70%, or $1.4million, leaving $600K to cover 10% avg overhead expenses (=$200K) and 2 employees at $75K each (=$150K) ... which would leave you a net taxable business income of $250K."

http://redheadedwisdom.blogspot.com/search/label/Joe%27s%20free%20tax%20lesson

I believe she knows what she's talking about. Read it and see the lies that Joe the Plumber is telling.

Hey, where's your tin hat now, AP? Dem VP candidate is guaranteeing crises.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

What a waste of time attacking a guy who wants to buy a business he knows makes $250,000. The lengths the left will go for the politics of personal destruction.

The liar is the person putting words in the plumbers mouth.

Poor Liddy,

The weight of the world on her shoulders.

"If Elizabeth Dole loses, it will be the first time since 1952 that a Bush or a Dole is not holding major elective office, either as a governor, senator, congressman, or president. (Prescott Bush was elected to the US Senate in '52)."-First Read MSNBC

Here's. . to hoping her knees buckle.

Tonight’s Poll
Whose endorsement is more persuasive to you?
Colin Powell 48%
Joe the Plumber 52%
This is not a scientific poll
Lou Dobbs CNN

Speaking of liars

A standing Military on our streets. I'm sure the founding fathers would like to see that.

You know I guess I'm just Un-American and come from an Anti-American part of the country.

You will get the type of Government you deserve so please vote for McCain.

Vote with the Racist, Bigoted, Fascist Republicans. Our country is already Dead and this is not the country I was born in over sixty years ago.

Here's to Liddy losing -- AND Saxby, Mitch, Norm -- to name a few.

Vote with the Racist, Bigoted, Fascist Republicans. Our country is already Dead and this is not the country I was born in over sixty years ago.

Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 7:20 PM

Leave.

Anon, why don't you just go ahead and send the Gitmo guys for Joe the Plumber? He deserves to be waterboarded for opening his mouth.

60 years ago no major party would nominate a black.
60 years ago women were not represented in legislatures nor were blacks, Hispanics, or Asians.
60 years ago the civil rights of many were denied
60 years ago women and minorities were denied entrance to many institutions.

The eight years of George Bush have not erased these gains.
Bush has mangled the spirit of the constitution but Obama supported him.

LOL-oops...he gotcha.

You realize Joe Biden is prepping us for another war with his comments, right, AP? Most likely in starting in Iran and escalating into a global conflict. He's GUARANTEEING it.

I don't support McCain, and I'm not asking you to do so. Just realize that the powers-that-be don't give a damn about party politics.

Naw. It'll be with Pakistan.

Mike Smircohnish (or however you spell his name) said today on Hardball that he is going to vote Dem for the first time sense becoming a Rep. 'cos he believes O will go after Osama and Al-Swarhiri, unlike Mc. who will just concentrate on Iraq/Iran.

Champ

My money is on Putin. Only 2 ways for Putin to stay in power. 1. buy everbody off, which is what he has been doing. 2. stoke those patriotic /nationalistic fires by starting a war.
With the oil prices going down he is running out of money so war it is.
Get your radiation testing kit.

Jack

Pakistan? Are we going to save this young freedom fighter?
Was he was looking for Osama.
American Arrested in Pakistan to Remain in Jail

Monday, October 20, 2008

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A Pakistani court has ordered an American detained for two more weeks after he was accused of trying to enter a militant stronghold near the Afghan border, police said Monday.

This extended the detention of 20-year-old Jude Kenan of Raleigh, North Carolina

Watches lame poster stuggle to stay relevant
laughs as he fails again.

"While we're talking about the evils of socialism ..... why not discuss Sarah Palin's tax on oil company profits so she could send a nice fat check to every Alaskan?

Isn't that income redistribution? Looks like a glaring example of "sharing the wealth" to me."

No matter what you think of Biden, and I usually like him a lot, that statement was dumb and poorly timed. Especially the second part of it, how people will have to support Obama's decision even though they may not agree with it.

That was just part of the deal for letting them drill up here. I can't complain about it.

This is the whole thing, and all I can say is: Joe! STFU!

“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

Why don't you read the post patsi instead of just running your mouth.

Or could it be you don't like reading other independent woman's views?

Isn't that income redistribution?

That's right Anon. They ripped off 25% of the population and spread the wealth to everyone.

And when they finish building there fence on the border you won't be able to leave. Walls don't only keep people out, they keep people in.

What independent woman?
your pet attack accountant?

ROTFLMAO

LOL

the back channelers are in rare for tonight

Jack

And when they finish building there fence on the border you won't be able to leave. Walls don't only keep people out, they keep people in

Can I help you pack. Don't get trapped.
I have box for your hat

John Kerry Makes Crack About McCain Wearing Adult Diapers...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-backing-s.html

CNN
Biden releases some of his medical record.

Campbell Brown said "McCain has released the most medical records of the presidential candidates. Obama sent a note from his doctor saying he was healty but look at the lies JFK told."

Dr. Sanjay Gupta "Biden is withholding information"

flomax lolololololol

Remember we have Anon and we have Anon-P.. Two different people... I think

Ping

Do you have a trailmix report from the rally?
Can you link to you comment in the NYTimes or at least copy here?

Read.

http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/0.html

Joe Biden’s biggest gaffe yet: An international crisis coming. Joe guarantees it. It will be a test of the new inexperienced guy. And we will need patience with Obama. Is he trying to throw this election?? I thought that would be something the Republican’s would say, not the VP running mate. Joe was right about one thing and that is Hillary would have been a better running mate. Also just heard Joe has had several aneurysms noted in his medical history. Maybe one is already leaking.

IMO, Powell’s endorsement was nothing special. Powell lost my respect when he, the most credible, not just military, member of the Bush admin sold this war as being necessary. It is embarrassing to rewatch that little show he put on for all of us on the weapons labs. It really sounded a little dumb at the time but it was coming from a person that we/both parties respected. Powell was used and he most likely even knew it then but did it anyway.

Now, when it seems pretty likely that Obama is going to be the next President, Powell comes out with his endorsement. Another chicken move. And he will be an advisor. What advice will he give now? Maybe he will be more comfortable talking to another bro. Of course we still broke that pottery barn over there in Iraq and as Powell said “we broke it now we have to fix it”

Obama was one of the only one’s in his crew who was right about the war. He now has all these people who were dead wrong about the war with and supporting him. And those of you who think Obama should be the “one” because of his feelings about the war are impressed with this??? Is that a little hypocritical?

After listening to Powell on MTP, he has to be a Democrat. Why has he ever represented himself as a Republican? Whatever best serves him at the time?

Also when Joe Q Public/plumber or whatever, representing middle class American, initially not asking for all this attention even if he has taken advantage of it, asks Obama a simple hypothetical question, he gets slaughtered by the liberal press and the Obama team. Instead of realizing his dream career, Joe will most likely find himself with no job or in jail. Maybe after they get through with him he will more likely to be able to take advantage of Obama’s economic policies.

Carol, I'm back. Had to take a break to do yard work, I hope for the last time this year.

Evenin', all.

Good lord.

Biden's "gaffe"? Where is what he said wrong? I like Biden, think he's pretty bright, and an pretty sure his take on Palin's actions being contrary to her words is not so far from the mark How abou t it Ping - what's your take?

Sorry Pats, but Biden made a good point badly - Palin is complaining about Obama suggesting taxing corporations (and the financial elite - although I think $250k is a pretty low threshold) to support mere citizens while she does the same thing.
And is it just me, or do this week's polls have a lot more red in them?

Rodney Dangerfield joke:

"I went to a Chinese restaurant last night and when I opened my fortune cookie it had the check of the table next to me. I turned to the guy and said, 'I've got your check." He said, "Thanks!"

Pogo

The Biden remark is the one saying the US will be attacked if Obama is elected because other nations will want to "test his mettle."

Jamie, what would I do with 25 cents? Call comeone who cares?

Pogo -- I still think what Biden had to say was dumb....

"Any other points you care to make from your HS freshman reading list? "

ROFL --let's hear your reading list....I'd be very interested. side from My Pet Goat, of course....

Is there anything you can buy for $.25

'slaughtered by the liberal press and the Obama team"

Carol,
I won't argue the media went after this guy. They do that with everyone imo. But who and what was said by the Obama campaign? I must of missed that.

Ping doing a few things with daugther,, will update from Obama rally in a few....

Biden: Joe’s not a ‘real’ plumber
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14632.html

UhOh. G Man,

Obama has to go to HI to see his sick Grandma. When will the onslaught of your nutty buddies start. Maybe he's there to 'shrub' some more. LOL

Patsi, I think the way he phrased it was dumb. I think he should jump on Palin for taking a position as attack dog against Obsma on a subject that her feet are of clay on. btw, he could easily have praised her for raising the severance tax (or whatever they call that tx in AK) and plowing it back into the populace and pointed out that what she is doing "[t]here in Alaska" is a direct approach to what she is calling socialist. I don't agree that on a national level such an approach is the right way to "redistribute" wealth (remember that tax rebate stimulus package last spring?) - but taxing corporate profits and plowing it back into the populace through social programs is something I can - and do - support.

Have things been unpleasant here today or something?

kc - now that remark was dumb - and Patsi, if that's the one you were referring to as dumb, we are in full agreement, It was dumb not because something will likely happen that WILL test his mettle, but because it sounds like it will happen TO test his mettle. I was confused - the "socialist" comment was the one that was quoted above and appeared to be the one that was being commented on.

For $0.25 cents you can a large gun ball out of one of those machines at the mall but it will cost about $1600 to get you crown fixed after you chew it for a while.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161333

I've been getting a giggle out of all the moaning and groaning over the 50 million Barack raised. People forget how many human beings we have in this country. That amount of monie is a quarter for every man and woman over 18. That's actually quite cheap and hardly "buying an election".

Posted by: ct | October 20, 2008 8:59 PM

Very good.

"Is there anything you can buy for $.25"

2 bite size hershey bars at Quicktrip.

Jack

I get a giggle at how you can rationalize absolutely anything to conform with your ideological perspective.

I never said he was buying an election. I just said I wanted some of that money. It's just hard when you hear how bad the economy is and how people going broke and then you hear how much money McCain and Obama raise for the campaigns each month.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161347

wanna be specific champ? Hard to tell what you're responding to.

After Biden made his comments about Obama last night he said, "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/uncommitted-demographics-a-cam.html#comment-161344

Jamie, I think it says that (1) a lot of little people in this country were absolutely disgusted with McCain's recent misteps on the economic bail out, the debate, and the Campaign's nasty turn.

(2) A lot of people are working in unity to elect change. Its worth it to that many citizens. Thats called a mandate for change.

Don't you think ?

I think if Congress and McCain had really wanted campaign reform, they would have really done something to close the loop. At least Obama has used this lack of reform legally and above board.

Pogo -- I didn't equate the Biden statement with anything Palin said. So maybe there's something I missed. And as far as the socialist shit -- haven't Democrats been accused of being socialists for decades? Why hang Palin for the accusation?

By the way -- I was emailed a YouTube of the intro to Larry Flint's Palin-lookalike porn flick earlier today. Another male "liberal" former friend of mine who thought it funny.

Something's sick.

that was supposed to be gum balls not gun ball.

Jamie, I thought I heard 150 million?

People clinging to religion and gun balls.

"a lot of little people in this country "

Uh?

KGC

if you will loan me a nickle I can buy cornbread mix at Aldi's.

Jack

It was $150 million. Does that bump that 25 cents up to 75 cents now?

"I thought I heard 150 million?"

Obama raises stunning $150 million in September
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-19-obama-fundraising_N.htm?csp=34

Corey,

with 6 bits I can buy a can of beans to go with my corn bread.

Yep, at some time, if this crisis is realized we may need the gun ball machine at the mall and you would definitely not want to chew one.

Jack

No problem here's a nickle.

Rasmussen Poll

McCain ahead again in Florida

...in high school we could buy a condom for a quarter in the little nearby restaurant's john...the old kind with a little thumbnail porn-portrait adorning the packaging. Only God knows how many teenage pregnancies occurred because those were horribly inefficient rubbers..."damn thing got a hole in it!".

"You can buy a Top Ramen for 25 cents."

........and if you are "joe the plumber" you can pull that quarter out of your ass.

Patsi - see how two people like use who see eye to eye on so much hear one thing and think something entirely different? I didn't hear Biden's comment until I read it here, but the first thing I thought when I heard Palin's comments about Obama's economic plans in the wake of the Joe the Plumber's helper comments was " what a fuckin* hypocrite.

Ping

Nice pics -great report from the trail.
So what's going to happen in Florida?
Are you ready to make a prediction?

Here's the article about the Biden comment:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

Obama has raised $604M total from 3.1M donors - what's that, about $20 per?

I predict that McCain will pull Florida.

It will be difficult as Barack does very will in hitting the buttons of people - Making his plans sound easy - and most people do not take the time to understand the impact and consequences of his policy

I am looking at the video-- HILLARY was the Star !! I brought my daughter down to see Hillary - but got there to late - and it was a small area that was set up - maybe up to 8K people in the bleacher surrond.

I guess Barack has now agreed to pay the Clinton Bill with all the money he has raised since he backed of another promise.

Wonder Why ?

Ummmm

Let's see. It's $150M for a single month. And it's not money being spent to convince each of the 300M citizens of our country, but just the handful of likely voters who are uncommitted. So how much does that amount to per vote? Something like $50 a piece? I call that buying an election.

KGC - was the "nickel" to call someone who cares?

Some fundamentals of our economy must be OK if a candidate can pull in 604 mil. That is a record isn't it.

Pogo, new math??

OK, I'm not really going to say much about this - It doesn't warrant it. but here, thake Biden's words ...

"Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

and change it to

"Watch, we're gonna see an international crisis that will test the mettle of this guy."

... and it doesn't strike me as all that outlandish. In fact, I tend to agree with the second statement - considering the economic mess that Biden take dabout after that staement, I say bet on it.

The nickle was so Jack could have corn bread with his beans!

Typekey hates me again. I lost my key. Anyway for the animal lovers, here is your Awwww how cute story for the day

http://web.me.com/syl/Sylweb/Chip.html

Flatus, LOL. Make that just under $200. There''s a reason I'm a lawyer and not an accountant or an engineer.

err the nickel was so Jack could have corn bread with his beans....I don't know what he would do with a nickle

Local coverage - if you want to see the event...

http://www.cfnews13.com/

Pogo, the real point is that he's stressing that the average donation is much smaller than that (he must be using the median not the mean, which is fine). But, there's no doubt that there's a large number of _very_ large contributions filling his coffers.

Very cute Jamie. Over 10 years ago my neighbor rescued a baby squirrel after an ice storm. She raised the squirrel and Stinky squirrel stayed around the neighborhood for a long time.

I don't have a typekey. I do it the old fashioned way type it in and if I am lucky I can do it only once, usually not.

Flatus,
Also in this market - Orlando - We are getting many of the "Other" campaign attacks. I forgot the name - John McCain is getting swift boated !!

From Abortion to Healthcare - Abominations of the truth all in support of Barack Obama

So add those dollars

no argument there, flatus. mean, median, mode - who can keep all that straight anyway? I'm a big fan of using the mean when the sample is large - and 3.1 M is a pretty large sample.

KGC

If I take your nickle and my quarter I can buy a box of cornbread mix at Aldis. I for got though I need an egg and a little milk, so if you could lend me an egg and a cup of milk I would share.

BTW was trying to see if I could put together a meal for a quarter a person , can't quite do it but for 50 cents I think I can.

Tip for survival
To make your reheated vegtable soup tast fresh add some shredded cabbage to it.
That is from my mother who lived on her $400 a month SS check until 3 years ago when she had to move in with her daughter.

Jack

Why I think McCain wins Florida..

McCain now leads in two polls and overall 2 pt diff with over 4% declared undecided

The trend is in John McCain favor
His strategy is last news cycle
People will start to question Barack Obama when the time comes to vote
Ausie Ballet

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html

I hope Obama's grandma gets to see it if her grandson wins. She is very ill.

jack .........youre saying the old girl had some social security?

eh?

Ping, I know FL is your bailiwick, but do you just see McCain winning mowtly just there, or do you see him running the table on the contested states and winning the election?

Yep Sturge, I just noticed that.
LOL

It is bed time

Later

Jack

gas was down to $2.23 a gal. It has been dropping 4 to 5 cents a day at this rate it will be a buck fifty by election day.

Jack

Brain - You are correct - however in the Middle Class Black vote in this area they are questioning and not just voting a straight ticket. Economic elements play greater then just race for my colleagues. I am seeing many fellow middle class blacks speak up now, very interesting. They see the pandering that is Barack.

But you are correct - so a McCain win will be very interesting and difficult.

People are starting to question….. Something the MSM has not vetted correctly and possible their love affair with Barack will back fire. Not putting him through the fire early leaves him vulnerable.

Lets see what happens

Ping, I think it will be interesting from here on out - I agree the deal isn't sealed yet, but I'm not sure McCain is the answer the voters who question Obama are looking for.

Jack
thanks for the tip from your Mom
and $.50 a person is pretty good.

Well all, g'night. I've had a long couple of days and have had enough of this one.

Pogo - agreed - 3rd party?
I did hear few comments tonight in that regard - but obvious overall most energetic for Barack Obama

I really enjoyed the rally today, Nice people, very diverse, good weather. To hear Barack win or lose is a historical moment. One I want to make sure my daughter heard and understands – By the way if she could vote she would cancel me out!

I do see the economic drivers as much stronger then race. In fact I think most open minded are getting over the race question – but why is it brought up?

Like I just did?

I am going to follow Pogo....
I am Traveling to my San Juan PR office tomorrow...

Good night and best to all

Jamie - loved the chip pics. Will you keep him inside and get him all his shots,etc? I can't imagine letting him go. When we were very little we saved a baby squirrel and named him Nicodemis (I had just read a story re the real one and thought he was nice) but eventually he died. I know exactly where we buried him.

In CA, they wouldn't let you keep him. There have been some pretty traumatic stories re people who have had wild animals taken from them on after caring for them for years.

Ping - I agree that not vetting Obama has left him vulnerable, but all the rumors about him have really raised the bar on what will hurt him.

No one has admitted to having read The Name of the Rose - does that mean it's considered just a trendy book?

I keep thinking how Sarah Palin says Obama "pals around with terrorists...". She is running as an understudy to a man who served under a terrorist.
Every student of history knows how Kissinger and Nixon went crazy and unleashed the 1972 Christmas bombings which blew up Bach Mai Hospital in Hanoi. Over the years the US has denied specifically targeting that hospital filled with children, many recovering from injuries sustained from lesser US bombings. Believe what you will.
I Google-Earthed Hanoi and discovered that although Hanoi is a huge city with a Chicago-like population, the old Hanoi Hilton Prison and Bach Mai Hospital are fairly close to each other. No doubt McCain and his fellow prisoners heard the jets as they dropped the massive ordnance squarely on top of Bach Mai Hospital, and cheered as loudly as they dared...in the genocide game, thier buddies had their backs.

Here's Barack Obama's family tree, courtesy of Chicago Sun-Times.

http://www.suntimes.com/images/cds/special/family_tree.html

NEW THREAD

Tried to keep post short -- more at link.
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Berg: "Obama & DNC Admit all Allegations"

"According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.

Just what were some of the admissions that Berg asserts Barack Obama and the DNC have, at least procedurally, admitted to?

Admit you were born in Kenya.

Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.

Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.

Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.

Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombosa, Kenya.

Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.

Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.

Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.

Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.

Admit you were not born in Hawaii.

Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia.

Admit you never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S.
Citizenship status.

Admit you are not a “natural born” United States citizen.

Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a “natural born” United States Citizen.

Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/berg-obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations.html