Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Hello?

That's a lot of pressure being first...I'll leave it to others from here on... :)

Palin is practicing for secession.
Or she didn't want to say anything but thinks Bush is incompetent and is protecting her state.

According to a CNN reporter sent to the island, the Russians may have more to complain about our people dumping their garbage in the strait and it floats to the Russian side.

It's a friggin wonder she even knows who Putin is.

Ivy Green,

We should give Russia the phone number to the New Jersey Governor's mansion so they can commiserate...lol

Julie, from the last thread...

John McCain hates the New York Times, but I guarantee he reads it every day. Who cares if the paper is partisan. If you have a particular view point, you are going to read your news that fits that world view...it's the reason Republican's watch Fox News...

Democrats: Be careful of what you wish for! The dumbing down has been so thorough that a lot of people will think Palin "won" the debate if she just shows up and doesn't pass out on the stage. Reports out of Alaska indicate she has won several debates in her quest for public office and she didn't become governor by shear default. Personally, I hope she falls flat on her face and we can then enjoy more SNL skits with Tina Fey for the remaining four weeks before the election. But, I'm cautious, especially in the face of all this dumbing down going on by the Republicans.

CINDY ADAMS explains how Palin is being prepped:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09302008/gossip/cindy/prepping_palin_for_the_podium_131319.htm

And BTW Julie my mother managed to raise 4 children, run a house, have a job and actually read the paper every morning. I guess she was a super woman!

eprof2: It's amazing, isn't it? And we all remember Bush41 won with Quayle at his side....

Are we in Pottersvilles yet? lol

I can't stop laughing to this...could this be a debate preview?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72uJVMP5I38

Eprof:
I used to have enormous respect for you. With your above paragraph posting. Not any longer...

American Samoa

Guam

St. John

U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega

July 2007

Gordo,

I'll bite. What? Are they going to be allowed to vote in pres election now?

NO. Documents and photographs.

Ok have input the whole thing on google and nothing comes up.. Whaaaaaaat?

Indonesia

Polls open at 6:00 A.M. for absentee voting here in Ohio. The game is on.

Come, Watson, come! The game is afoot :-)

Dex,
The game is on - yes
So is acorn and voter fraud.. one day registration and vote same day with no verification..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/26/us.russian.planes/index.html

She can order the refueling planes that are under the ANG to refuel the fighters that escort the planes away. Those planes are used by the Federal govt but she is also Commander of the ANG and can use them in her state.
''Besides our federally directed missions, as a unit of the Alaska National Guard, the 168 ARW is an asset of the Governor of Alaska and as such, the Governor can direct the unit to respond to emergencies declared or missions required within the State. ''

http://www.akeiel.ang.af.mil/history.htm

Thnx all for the well wishes everyone, surely and greatly appreciated.
My dissertation focuses on Derivatives and hedge funds....

Now back to matters at hand:
I hope Sarah P can pull it off on Thursday. Just to get more spunk into the election cycle. It is becoming so boring. And eventhough Johnny Mac did a good job during the 1st debate, BO outdid him by his mere presence. BO has that, and for Johnny Mac to win a debate he has to bluntly ousthine BO and that means talking, and taking over the spotlight, by rattling BO.
How do you rattle BO: By challenging eveything he says and overpowering every sentence he makes. Interrupt him. The moment you interrupt BO he shakes and that is what Johnny Mac has to do....

Sarah?
Sarah should just be composed and if she doesn´t know something be gracious to say that, that is something she has not yet delved into. It will make her look fragile and can help...Biden should watch it and not spill the beans too much. Joe is in the drivers seat but shouldn´t take the wheel.....And that can be difficult for the guy :-)

Am really hoping Thursday will be good.....

"It will make her look fragile and can help.."

Gross and sexist.

Craig

It seems you left out the part were they said since has been govornor there has been 20 "fly overs" It seems they use many different terms to discribe it.

But they do play a cat and mouse game in the air. I wonder what is was like during the cold war days. ???

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps Did you ever see "Red Dawn"

Bru-u-u-u-ce and Billy team up for OBAMA:

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/springsteen-joel-team-up-for-obama/195308

craig''' can you name one politician that has'nt said a dumb thing at one time or another
i think it is a insult to alaskans to say that they
elected a dumb govenor ''i don't believe that
would happen ' give the lady a chance ''judging her
on one bad interview where she was nervous and
trying to hard is not really fair
she's not hillary clinton'' but she's sure as hell not a dan quayle

Mr. Frum noted the difficulty that Dan Quayle, who was elected vice president in 1988, had in recovering from an early set of mistakes that led him to be ridiculed as an intellectual lightweight. “The story of Dan Quayle is he did probably 1,000 smart things as vice president, but his image was locked in and it was very difficult to turn around,” he said. “And Dan Quayle never in his life has performed as badly as Sarah Palin in the last month.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/us/politics/30palin.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=sarah%20Palin,%20Dan%20Quayle&st=cse&oref=slogin

Jason.......nailhead squarely hit.

well i guess grandpa could read

too bad danny boy did'nt inherit a higher IQ along
with his money and influence

I'm getting a funny feeling I'm influencing your blog posts, Craig, seeing as how I said the same thing here 2 days ago.

Just as long as Obama doesn't allow Billy Joel to drive the campaign bus.

Dan Quayle thought Murphy Brown was a real person.

As dumb as Palin sounds lately, nothing will ever top Quayle improperly correcting school children as to the proper spelling of 'potato'.

From late last blog:

Jamie - your recipe sure sounded good, but we don't find it easy to get jonathans or winesaps down here. There's only one place we go to and they don't always have them.

I'm sorry but I don't need to call anybody names when I comment on Sarah Palin, even Sarah Palin. I squirm and want to yell something (but I don't) when I hear her meandering all over with the sentence she started - and then doesn't complete..

For whatever reason, I think in complete sentences almost always. Perhaps most people do - I don't know. I try to use complete sentences here but occasionally allow myself to use fragments for emphasis or humor or horror. I have seen very few incomplete sentences here, and I think most of them have been from typing too fast. I'm an English teacher and I love to hear a completed thought.

Ms Palin has trouble completing her thoughts, either because she is nervous or because she thinks in a disjointed fashion.

What ever the reason for her inability to really say something cogent, she should be able to speak in complete sentences. As it is, she comes across to me like a lightweight Gracie Allen. VP may not be the top job but it is a job and I can't believe she could hold up her end.

""But what you’re talking about, I think, value here, what my position is on homosexuality and you can pray it away, because I think that was the title that was listed on that bulletin. And you know, I don’t know what prayers are worthy of being prayed. I don’t know what prayers are going to be asked and answered.""

You may think you understand what she means, but you are doing the work here. She is not clear. She has started 5 different sentences in that first "sentence' and completed not one.

Bear - I almost always agree with you, but I cannot see much of a thought process. I see her react to the word homosexuality and realize that she's gotta be careful here. She also knows that prayer is a dangerous word and that value is a good word but she doesn't even use them well. She mentions her gay friend beautifully and makes a good point. She can't seem to do that with serious political points ""Where is Putin's head????"" Just because I think I know wht she means doesn't mean I'm interpreting it right.

I don't like what appear to be her politics, and I don't like or trust what she seems to hear when others are talking about matters that concern our world.

I understand what her many fans like about her, but liking someone and giving them credit for being competent at really really serious business are two totally different things. We don't need to accept her as capable just because she's a woman. There are many many many super intelligent women out there who really are capable of doing this job and others like it.

As I said, I don't need to call her names. I know exactly why I'm not impressed with her, and I think I know why so many people do like her. I also think I know why her fans get upset with things that are said here. I'm sorry her fans are angry about all this and feel attacked, but I cannot defend Sarah Palin.

Posted by: bethyboo | October 1, 2008

To be fair, beth, I think Palin is just out of her league, rather than lacking inintellectual capacity. I would like to think there is some minimum standard of competency for her to ascend to the governorship of a state.

dog eye
i was being a smartass sorry about that'
it just violates my sense of fair play as an american
when someone isn't given a chance and everyone
piles on just because they see a political opening
to their advantage.i am not a republican or democrat
and yes i'm on watch steering up the river'still have
a week to go before i get off and go home

Champ there is a minimum standard for serving as governor, it is called winning an election.

To be fair, beth, I think Palin is just out of her league, rather than lacking inintellectual capacity.

Posted by: champ | October 1, 2008 4:41 AM

I think this is very clearly put Champ and have to say, I very much agree with your statement. Couldn´t have said it better.

champ
what league is palin out of ?'that league of fools
we have in washington now ? hell
that's good enough reason to vote for her
right there

warren; 11:01 pm previous thread.............."real chance for improvement". You know Warren, hope really does - spring eternal - and at the beginning of this campaign, I felt like that, because I wanted so badly to get rid of this very, very criminal administration. I want to thank you for trying to describe what you hope the change will entail, I really do appreciate that you made the effort, but I think I've become so cynical about what I've seen and heard and read - some here - that I'm not sure I could be convinced that this congress will be any different than the last, especially after what I saw this week-end. It seems as though everything is just "payback". It's like Pelosi is waiting for Obama to hit the WH so she can say something like, " we'll show you what rubber stamping is all about", nobody cares about the people anymore, and the people just keep letting it happen..................................................

Solar; Thanks.... I heard that Willie Nelson made a remark on his 75th birthday, "I've outlived my dick". I'm beginning to think it applies to me as well, only in the feminine, of course. These guys are so bad, I can't get excited about electing either one. I believe in the democratic platform, but I'm not into shredding people the way that is being done now. It makes me very sad and angry that this is what my party of many, many years has morphed into.............................................

Rita

was'nt that obama's big theme in the primaries
he's not a washington insider'' he'll bring a new
perspective '' a new kind of politcs'''
well that went to hell in a handbasket

mqw,

The league of which Palin is out is a league of manipulative ability. The only good reason I can assert for voting for the McCain ticket is divided government, which is actually a very compelling reason.

If you want to vote for a Republican with integrity, understanding of our economy and the operations of the Fed and money supply, and with the courage to challenge the D.C. establishment, not to mention what I believe to be a rational foreign policy philosophy, then vote for Ron Paul. He was the best hope we had, and he was marginalized and ridiculed by the media and his own party. Unfortunate, but not surprising.

Oft-maligned Tucker Carlson said it best (and I'm paraphrasing slightly): "The only presidential candidate who has zero interest in controlling other people's lives is Ron Paul".

Thanks DEV

@Champ: I have to be honest. I never ever even took the time to look at Ron Paul....
And that is sad. I never gave him an chance, but maybe I can still catch up o his beliefs etc.... he was out of the media limlight.

"...he [Ron Paul] was out of the media limlight."

Of course he was. All by design.

Read his wiki. Impressive guy, and a man of integrity, from what I've gathered.

Ron Paul Schools Ben Bernanke Yet Again 2-27-08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldETRlhiXk

-Many people deify Bernanke because they don't understand economics. Bernanke ain't fooling Ron Paul! Youtube has tons of clips of Ron Paul making a fool out of Bernanke. Gotta love it.

Bethy posted: "As I said, I don't need to call her names. "

and Rita:

"I'm not into shredding people the way that is being done now. It makes me very sad and angry that this is what my party of many, many years has morphed into."

Very good thoughts. Kudos to both. We seem to be evolving downward in a rabid manner and at a rapid rate.

I've been saddened to see how many people use gender-based attack labels to disparage a political candidate, no matter the issue differences.

I know this: I vigorously disagree with Clarence Thomas, and that in no way gives me the right to use the N-word when referring to him.

And I believe this: If people resort to sexist terminology when they are extremely opposed to a female's politics, they will ultimately do the same with class, race, religious differences and sexual preference. The low road begins to seem an all too familiar route.

Hello, Pats.......good to see you........all traffic currently being shunted to the low road......it's the roman way.

Before I get to work, here is a good article that reminds me of why we need to do away with the electoral collage.

http://www.slate.com/id/2201071/

Oops. Forgot to mention this. If you live in a non-swing state, please consider voting Green. Here's where my Tennessee vote will go: McKinney/Clemente.

"Cynthia McKinney served six terms in the U.S. Congress and two terms in the Georgia General Assembly. She is a global human rights and peace activist with a substantial voting record supporting women. Rosa Clemente is a community organizer and journalist who was one of the founders and primary organizers of the first national Hip Hop political convention. Their "Power to the People" campaign goal is to ensure that public policy reflects the Green Party values of ecological wisdom, social justice, grassroots democracy, and nonviolence.

Cynthia McKinney has been a steadfast supporter of full reproductive rights for women throughout her legislative career, including funding for contraception and UN family planning, and opposition to “abstinence only” sex education. Rosa Clemente has been an outspoken advocate on issues affecting people of color, particularly women, and has directed her campaign toward the 48% of young people who don't vote, to encourage participation in the electoral process."

Hey Patsi
Excellent voting choice for you in Tenn.I will pass along this added choice to my Grandmother's niece Pat.Pat also lives in Tenn and asked me weeks ago who can I vote for now that Hillary isn't running.Your points on sexism morphing into other forms of bigotry,dully noted and I agree.....

gov palin is no rep mckinney

from the guardian last week:
"The Centre for Biological Diversity awarded Palin its Rubber Dodo award for her insistence - despite evidence to the contrary - that the polar bear population was rising across the Arctic. The Arizona thinktank condemned the Alaska governor as a "global warming denier".
"Governor Palin has waged a deceptive, dangerous, and costly battle against the polar bear," Kieran Suckling, the centre's director, said. "Her position on global warming is so extreme, she makes Dick Cheney look like an Al Gore devotee."

and more today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/01/sarahpalin.climatechange

So, the fact that I can see the moon from my front porch doesn't mean I'm part of NASA?

If Palin is a complete disaster tomorrow night, it only helps if that loses votes for McCain...and sends PUMAites running back to Obama.

All of this disingenous support for Palin's comments is just ridiculous and it reminds me...I used to have a sliding glass door and my cat wood run into it once in awhile...and then immediately go into kitty-bathing mode because clearly, she meant to do that. Kind of like trying to reproduce a noise on a leather couch that has caused folks to look your way. Only this time, something really stinks.

Speaking of stench...Not that I miss her, but hearing Mike Barnacle referred to as a "limosine liberal" made me realize that (M)ann has been pleasantly absent.

"And I believe this: If people resort to sexist terminology when they are extremely opposed to a female's politics, they will ultimately do the same with class, race, religious differences and sexual preference. The low road begins to seem an all too familiar route."

Well said, Patsi. The overnight non-hate bait-speech has been alive and well here.

If there is anything that drives me to distraction it is when a commenter will make sweeping allegations against another human being without once acknowledging the other person's humanity.

Hmm, McKinney, I'll have to check to see if she's on the ballot down here.

Sadly, Fey is better as Palin than Palin is as Palin. Palin is a huge evangelical success, however...she followed the instructions to infiltrating the political arena by first entering politics via the PTA. Then she moved into local politics as mayor than as governor. Not my cup of tea, but she is a success within her peer group. She followed the correct path and she also has gone forth and multiplied. Again, not my cup of tea, but it is her America, too. She will get the evangelical vote for smirking McCain who has not followed the evangelical path. Anyone who believes brains over faith are better in her case, better understand the religious draw of Palin.

She is one ripe fruit of the evangelical tree.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152917

Hey Solar
I thank you for this post,you so get it!! I think you contribute much and wish you posted more,the air seems fresher here when your around!! A Fan

All I know is that the Cowboys would have won on Sunday if they would have gotten the ball more to "T.O."

The thing about Palin is that Tina Fey doesn't have to do much of anything...it just points out the ridiculousness of the possiblity of her being prez...because I can see McCain being sidelined by health problems at the very least. One scary sitch.

"...Steve Smirnoff, the Russian Federation's honorary consul in Anchorage, said Palin never accepted his invitation to open a dialogue with Alaska's neighbor."

"Officials at the British Embassy, when asked to confirm Palin office records that showed she had met with their ambassador, contacted the McCain-Palin campaign to inform it that the meeting had never occurred."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_on_el_pr/palin_foreign_policy

in re solar's post: relying for any purpose whatever on the length of time one has spent posting here (or even referring to it) is the province of a perennial dumbass.

a commenter of one week's time has as much to say as any with the longest history here.....just because someone has stayed in one place for a long time doesnt offer any guarantee of sagacity and is not an indication of any sort that a poster is not a negativistic
deadhead.

Sturg, how are you consistently so wise so early in the morning?

Flate.....it's the espresso.......

I got the feeling yesterday that this place had turned into people wanting to know exactly where people stand. Either you are a Democrat and support Obama, You are a Republican and support McCain, or you are an independent. But, don't come here and post links that clearly support one candidate and then proclaim yourself to be an independent.

Bethy, your 4:34 was an excellent review of Gov Palin's candidacy to date, and of her groping for ways to express herself.

I'm inclined to wait longer before judging her intellectual prowess. A couple of weeks ago Doris Kearns was on Imus. She described a conversation she had with Palin ante candidacy. She was favorably impressed.

I trust both you and Kearns. That's why I'm going to wait longer.

the declaration of independents...........lol

We the people...

"But, don't come here and post links that clearly support one candidate and then proclaim yourself to be an independent. "

Corey, if those links present reasoned thought concluding that one candidate is worthy of favorable consideration, I see nothing wrong with such a link. Indeed, that's how conscientious independents sort through the process.

But, if the links are just press releases from the candidate or their shills, I agree with you.

Weedy people, in ordure to form a more perfect onion, do, etc etc.......

Flatus, I don't care people post here. I was referring to if a person posts links to articles that are in direct contrast to what they claim their political alliance to be. People were getting upset about that.

Sturg

In case that you did not see a previous post, I thank you for the Ancient History Source Book site, and the sites within.

I mean, I don't care what people post here.

solar.....i did see that, thanks for the thanks, and glad you liked it.....

Gwen Ifil new book on BHO. And she to be moderator for thursday night debate. Biased?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/a_debate_moderator_in_the_tank.html

To illustrate my point: In the movie "Clerks" some guy walks in the Kwik-Mart and berates Dante in front of a bunch of customers because Dante sells cigarettes and cigarettes kill people. All the customers get mad at Dante for selling cigarettes. Afterwards, the guy who started the ruckus offers all the customers free packs of gum. It turns out that he was a gum salesman.

Julie-Do you think? Who isn't biased in "journalism" today. If she had written a book about Sarah Palin the Obambis would be crying it's not FAIR!

Julie- the Gwen thing- just another example that Obama and Co. need a little"extra help".

Liza...I agree with you, however, my concern about Gwen is how effective of a debate moderator is she? Who do we really think is good at the helm of the debate? I guess we can only be thankful that it is not Keith O.

Piece on Ifill

http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/story/819201.html

A couple of sentences from the article...

She had never done a debate before that and admitted she was nervous. The 2004 experience and work before a live audience during a recent swing of “Washington Week” shows done on the road have toughened her up.

Some PBS viewers complained about Ifill’s facial expressions following Palin’s speech to the Republican convention. Those viewers apparently believed Ifill didn’t seem sufficiently excited

It's unfornate that all of the O friends on MoJo, MSN and the rest can't call for McCain to quit like they did with Hillary. O's "ahead" right? He should just quit. Well they are in a barnburner now and it is quite entertaining. I don't think O could win a fight in the elementary school yard and it remains to be seen who will be the last one standing.

Champ, Jason

I have never felt that voting for a third party was throwing my vote away, I have always felt that I have voted for someone, not for the lesser of two evils. I have never been this stressed out, and Jason Ron Paul (you will find) has all of the qualities that you say your parents have followed in their lives, and passed on to you. I live in Il---what Patsi said is a determination that I have made already, and I would like others to consider in order to bring more people R's and D's to the center,if their numbers grow tremendously like I suspect they will, maybe both parties will listen more carefully, like they just did this week on the no vote for the bail out. About the bail out someone said ( Lou Dobbs?) that giving everyone 1Mil. would be cheaper and would be spending from the bottom up????????

How do you know when you are both intellect, and smart's?, an intellectual person knows it, and is self assured about it, does not flaunt it, shares it. What some are doing and saying about Palin is wha I call a person that is intellectual, but not to smart, Palin has to have some smarts to get to where she is, I hope she shows up and creams Bidden (maybe I'll go get him half drunk) that's how pissed off some news people, and some on this blog are making us not too untelgent people.

Corey,

Everyone in the Dallas area says T.O. got the ball way to much. They wonder why Barber and especially Felix Jones got so few touches...

another wise guy:

Thoughts are free and subject to no rule. On them rests the freedom of man, and they tower above the light of nature...create a new heaven, a new firmament, a new source of energy from which new arts flow."

---Philippus Theophrastus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim,

Champ, Jason

I have never felt that voting for a third party was throwing my vote away

No vote is ever thrown away...sometimes lost, sometimes not used, sometimes not counted and certainly not worth one full vote under the electoral college. How dare anyone say please vote, but vote within the two party system? Your vote is your own and I do not believe the vote can be tossed away.

Don't Know Palin (Sarah Palin song)

Description:

Thomas Jefferson didn't speak of an intelligent citizenry, but rather an "informed" citizenry. With a cameo from Christine Lavin, this new David Ippolito parody asks the question, "Who knows right-wing Conservative, anti-choice, abstinence-only sex education, anti-birth control funding, gun-owning, hunter, moose-burger-eatin', pro-oil-drilling, ex-pageant contestant, Fun parody... 2-year governor of Alaska... Sarah Palin?" Sung by Angie McKnight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OClkx5pUx80

I got the feeling yesterday that this place had turned into people wanting to know exactly where people stand.

Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | October 1, 2008 8:16 AM

Fascist governments do the same thing before they begin executing people.

Morning peeps, great news out this morning from Quinnipiac:

Obama +15 in PA
Obama + 8 in Ohio
Obama +8 in Florida

The Franklin/Marshal Poll also has Obama +7 in PA

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

OUTSTANDING!

"Fascist governments do the same thing before they begin executing people."

champ, let's be fair now. some non-fascist governments do that too.

Quinnipiac: McCain Collapses in Key Swing States
A combination of factors -- the first presidential debate, Gov. Sarah Palin's sagging favorability and more voter confidence in Sen. Barack Obama's ability to handle the economy -- are propelling Obama to wider likely voter leads over Sen. John McCain in three key swing states, according to new Quinnipiac polls.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/01/quinnipiac_mccain_collapses_in_key_swing_states.html

Ron Paul Grills Ben Bernanke on Rate Cuts Driving Inflation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyzXRE1_fW8&feature=related

Learn something today.

Somebody ought to tell the McCain Campaign that the two forward Air Force Bases (Galena and McGrath in Alaska) used to scramble aircraft when the TU-95 Bears came over on radar penetration tests have been closed for a number of years. The military pulled the interceptors out sometime in the mid-1990s. Actually, it might be a good idea to tell the campaign that the Distant Early Warning (DEW) Line was shut down in the 1970s, too.

ADB

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/palins-northern-exposure.html#comment-152997

Bethy

Any firm, crisp apple will do. You actually want them slightly on the green side. If the apple is too juicy or mushy, the apple butter tends to separate.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps Did you ever see "Red Dawn"

Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | October 1, 2008 2:16 AM

Dude get SERIOUS .. as if RED DAWN resembles anything like real world. The only thing it had going for itself was Patrick Swayze.

Tom,

Do filling stations in Europe make the bulk of their profit from snacks, drinks, and cigarettes, as do those in the States?

Hey Tony

Thanks for the thanks---I heard that some place before. Don't sweat the small stuff, get some thicker skin ( I'll give you some on mine) I think it's going to be getting pretty rough in here,the closer it gets to election day-----watch out duck here comes another one.

MSNBC just said among new voters Obama 61%, McCain 30%

It's like Christmas today!

Corey g'dammit! Here I thought I was so original to mention Murphy Brown and now scanning down the messages I see you beat me too it :-)

Has anyone ever head Christine Lavin's song "Dear Dan"? very good stuff.

Champ, yes, well I mean I do. I get less than 1 euro cent per litre and I have to pay immediately if someone drives off.

Champ

Thanks--Ron Paul video, will watch it when I can pay close attention to it.

My pleasure, Solar.

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation."

-John Adams

"A Flawed but Arguable Comparison"

That clause makes no sense. Besides, Obama isn't even president yet; you've already ascribed a legacy to him?

Did you read the piece champ or you just finding flaw without the facts yet again?

And Champ the truth the matter is when elected, as the first black to be elected president Obama will automatically take on legendary status. I'm sure you will poo poo that but that happens to be the truth, just as it would have been had Hillary been elected the first female prez.

If the guy can't even compose a coherent title, why bother to read the rest of his article?

"leg·end (ljnd) n.

1.c. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times."

You said it better than I.

McCain on TV now, I think he's working very hard not to come off so angry, without the anger though he just seems to be shrinking before our eyes.

first black in an office -legendary status? Like Ron Dellums, Doug Wilder or that clown from Detriot?

First black senator since reconstruction and if it weren't for his affair with Baba WaWa no one would remember him

stuff it, sock.
"During the Nixon years, Brooke opposed repeated Administration attempts to close down the Legal Services Corporation, the Job Corps, the Office of Economic Opportunity and to weaken the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission - all foundational elements of President Lyndon Johnson's Great Society." [wiki]
and he will also be remembered as the first republican to tell tricky dick to resign.

The personal nature of the attacks could be counter-productive if she manages to exceed expectations in the debate.

Her biggest problem is that she didn't have Hillary and Biden to educate her in a dozen debates.

That's Palin I'm talking about of course..

today from Threadgills

Obama like Reagan?

Mourning in America

Reagan would be proud!
If you read the Senate bill without knowing who wrote it, you'd swear it was the Republican's. If this is a further example of the "new" Democratic Party, progressive's may as well pack their bags and leave. The further into this election we go, the further away we get from our goals.

What form of help does this bill offer to the middle class? Again we're expected to wait for the trickle down effect.

re sen brooke, an interview in wapo 2007...fascinating

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/07/DI2007020701453.html

Voters are deeply divided over the terms of the government's $700 billion economic rescue package but overwhelmingly fear that the House's rejection of the measure on Monday could deepen the country's financial woes, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002336.html

Need some advice from one of our computer whizzes.

I was surfing and got a popup saying that a file was trying to communicate with a site spe.atdmt.com. I didn't authorize and got out of there, but the file on my computer was

javascript:parent.payload4565

Any clue what this is?

patd

I apologize for an inapproriate slam at Senator Brooke

All you Bill fans should tune into MSNBC, he's campaigning in Florida for Obama.

More than likely it's a tracking cookie Jamie.

There are currently two bills being worked on in the House as alternatives to the Paulson-Obama bill. The first is the DeFazio bill, which is intended to fix the banking system by providing, not a bailout, but insolvency relief. The second is being put together by Rep. David Scott and Rep. Doggett, with the aid of economist James K. Galbraith, and is intended to help ordinary people by creating a modern version of the Home Owner's Loan Corporation (HOLC) to take over mortgages and keep people in their homes with reasonable serviceable mortgages.

Also working to turn these bills into something that helps all Americans are Rep. Elijah Cummings and Rep. Lloyd Doggett.

Each bill by itself is incomplete, together with some work they could make a good, complete, humane solution to financial and economic meltdown which is also acceptable to enough Republicans to pass.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/01/bill-forming-in-the-house-one-last-chance-to-replace-the-paulson-bill-with-a-good-bill/

Too bad there is no similar leadership in the Senate.

It is funny but I actually feel sorry for Sarah. I mean McCain is more at fault for putting her in this awful and humiliating position. Just had a big fight with a rabid Obama supporter who truly hates her and feels she is a horrible woman. I don't understand that sentiment as a woman. While I don't support her views I want her to do a decent job Thursday.at the debate. Maybe it is my social work background and empathy for another woman.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/palins-northern-exposure.html#comment-153037

Julie,

Gwen Ifil has been a respected journalist for decades. She is one of the fairest, most unbiased interviewers either candidate could hope for. In her books and commentary, she will take sides, but in her professional capacity, she is one of the best there is and is enormously respected by her cohorts.

http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=212144

Jamie:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/794939.html

Do you routinely use things like Sbybot S&D or Spyware Blaster? Price is right on both of them (free).

Big Dawg is tearing up that Florida audience for Obama. It's easy to forget how good he is, until you see him in action again. He just talks to people. It's beautiful.

bill clinton campaigning for obama''
we know he doesn't really mean it

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/palins-northern-exposure.html#comment-153072

Champ, typed and erased what I felt like saying. The title is perfectly understandable.

Thank you for continuing to speak out against the fraud that is the "bailout bill", KGC.

The two pending alternatives you cite sound much more reasonable. Let's hope the public's fear isn't exploited before due consideration is made.

If the guy can't even compose a coherent title, why bother to read the rest of his article?

Posted by: champ | October 1, 2008 11:11 AM

Champ be nice buddy...

My reaction also was "wtf do Reagan and Obama have in common?" But I haven't read his piece and I can't agree or disagree unless I take the time to read it. Only fair eh?

Hi gang,

don't know if anyone will remember me its been a long time since I last posted, I used to comment occassionally here and on some of the regulars blogs but then my sons came home from Iraq and one of them has had some serious Post Tramatic Stress that put anything and everything else on hold. Recently he's been better thanks to wonderful VA doctors, my other son has been redeployed, so I am back to being a stressed Mom with time to blog =0) missed reading everyone here and have caught up on some recent posts, noticed some of the old gang has disapeared though, hope they are all good. I'll check out the blogroll and get back to commenting soon =o)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/palins-northern-exposure.html#comment-153086

I have Vista as well as McAfee security and HP total care. A lot of things can create conflicts. This one might have snuck through somehow (I probably said yes when I should have said no).

Anyway, should I delete it?

Champ

Get with the program ~~~~~~~~~~~
It's a rescue bill now.

sure delete it, but don't empty the recycle bin till your sure you don't need it.

watched parts of obama's and mccain's
bail-out'' rescue''give money away speeches
they were identical'word for word '
the taxpayer will be protected
the taxpayer will get their money back
what'' they will have that money spent four times over
before the ink dries on it
they talk like we will get a dividend check
tal about pie in the sky

Flautus

Of course some people think you know who is wonderful too
and a tribute to human kind

Listen, Jamie; I respect contributions you've made in the past, less so recently. The only reason I mention it is because I frequently avoid commenting on posts of yours with which I take issue, out of appreciation for the posts you've made which I do feel are valuable, and so that I won't contribute any more negativity than I already have. If you don't feel such concessions are necessary, that's fine; I'll make more of an effort to be more critical. As it stands now, I will remain as deferential as I can, but be aware that my grace has its limits. And yes, I'm aware of the irony of that statement.

Make that
Flatus

". As it stands now, I will remain as deferential as I can, but be aware that my grace has its limits."

Jamie consider yourself warned! LOL

Sorry, O'Brien...I mean KGC. "Rescue Bill". Got it.

^1984 reference. It's a book that apparently either no one has read, or everyone has forgotten.

why shouldn't she be criticized for her religious believes, she's the one who brought them into the town square!

Jamie, I'd dump it.

I have a question to throw out for anyone who can answer. Yesterday, McCain muttered something about the Treasury having a Trillion dollars that they could spend w/out Congressional permission. Did anyone else catch that and does anyone know to what he was refering?

BTW if you want to have some fun, when someone bitches that Sarah is being attacked for her religious beliefs, steer the conversation to Islam and see how they react!

"why shouldn't she be criticized for her religious believes, she's the one who brought them into the town square!"

Case proved.

Can Gwen Ifill be a impartial, neutral unbiased moderator? Imus has his doubts.

http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/imus-questions-ifills-veracity/

Flatus because someone's beliefs are religious doesn't make them immune to criticism when they effect public policy.

Except for the increase in the FDIC limits to $250,000, the "rescue" bill is pretty much the same as the "bailout" bill. Amazing what changing one word will do for a political situation. Marshall McLuhan would be proud of the congressional leadership on this "old wine in new bottles" bill being voted on tonight in the Senate and who knows when in the House. Massage the message until it works!

Rosiethecat

Some feel the fed already has the tools to take care of bank insolvency and the bailout Er I mean rescue is just a perk of the waning days of Shrubian economics.

The Fed pumped a wad of cash into the markets Monday after the bailout failed.

Rosiethecat

The Federal Reserve on Monday announced that it was providing more liquidity into global money markets to ease recent strains. The Fed said it was boosting the size of its auctions of liquidity to commercial banks and the size of its swap agreements from a number of foreign central banks to $620 billion from $290 billion.

this may help with the explanation
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fed-pumps-more-dollars-global/story.aspx?guid={15C23F93-3C39-4F6D-AFF2-9345CDF61917}&dist=msr_1

Oh please Flatus, you're using Palin's religious believes to deflect criticism, a common repug trick.

The indoctrination of America's youth—specifically those under 12 by the new savior at his website—sieg heil
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/kidshome

"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all."....

-John F. Kennedy
September 12, 1960, address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/40/story_4080_1.html

and the video of this wonderful statement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAvHHTt2czU

Attorneys believe Rezko is talking to prosecutors

By MIKE ROBINSON – 1 day ago

CHICAGO (AP) — Convicted political fixer Antoin "Tony" Rezko has been quietly visiting Chicago's federal courthouse, setting off speculation that he may be spilling secrets to prosecutors in return for a lenient sentence.

Prosecutors investigating Gov. Rod Blagojevich's administration would plainly like to hear what Rezko knows, and there is plenty of incentive to talk.

"Jail is horrible and Tony Rezko has just two options," says Jay Stewart, executive director of the Better Government Association. "One option is to do nothing and get a full sentence. The other is to cooperate with prosecutors."

I don't understand how Evangelicals get away with the whole "not getting taxed 'cos they are a religion and they are supposed to stay away from politics" thing.
I've taken a friend of my to church from time to time {she can't drive due to TBI) and she goes to an Evangelical church. They are VERY political, especially up here in AK. They flat out tell people who to vote or not vote for.

This one is good... Very historical and engaging

Separation of Church & State: Keep your gods hands off....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLx8YLCxQEA&NR=1

Ministers to that in the lower 48
Ministers to Defy I.R.S. by Endorsing Candidates

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: September 25, 2008

Defying a federal tax law they consider unjust, 33 ministers across the country will take to their pulpits this Sunday and publicly endorse a candidate for president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26preach.html?partner=rssuserland

Wasn't such a problem when Rev Wright did it.
Insulted the Clintons from the pulpit. There was a lot of cheering then.

Hey nanny, I noticed that you were posting after I sent mine. Sorry about that! I'm tired... still dieting... LOL... HOpe you are doing well...

xoxoxoxo

I also hope that Sarah Palin does well in the debate for several reasons. After women have gained credibility as political candidates through the efforts of Hillary Clinton and others, I would hate to see those gains negated by Sarah Palin. Since Hillary Clinton has been set up to take the blame for a potential Obama loss, I would hate to see that Palin would be blamed for a McCain loss. Only the ghoulish like to watch fish being shot in a barrel, so I hope she will be able to hold her own so that watching this debate is not too uncomfortable.

Barack Obama almost made the same mistake as McCain if he had picked Tim Kaine to be his vp nominee. Both candidates have made political choices and the Palin choice for McCain accomplished what he needed which was to unite the base and make them enthusiastic from the convention to the election. The problem now is that the important issues of the day favor Obama and the democrats and even though McCain is trying to assume some control of events, his own party is undermining his efforts.

If Sarah Palin does well or at least OK in the debate, it will not persuade any voters either way. What it will do is to keep women candidates of both parties credible as potential presidential candidates. Which in the end is a huge step forward.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26preach.html?partner=rssuserland

Wasn't such a problem when Rev Wright did it.
Insulted the Clintons from the pulpit. There was a lot of cheering then.

Posted by: Hypocritta | October 1, 2008 1:40 PM

NOT BY ME...

we shouldn't judge obama on his longtime attendence
in that radical left wing church or his crazy ass ex preacher'or judge him on his sweetheart business
deals and quid pro qou with convicted felon rezko.
or his spotty voting record in the ill. senate'' oh no that
would be wrong''
but for palin anything goes' her religion 'family
nothing off limits there
could it be because she's a female politician
with a family '''double standards'''' hypocrisy
the new face of the democratic party

There is a differance between insulting a person and endoricng them for a political office. And who are we to complain to up here? The Gov.?

hey euro tom
thanks for the spelling lesson the other day
reminded me i had a spell check button
now i can be almost as smart as you think you are

oh I was just at the doctor yesterday and the blood sugar is very good, the blood pressure is down and so I can say I am doing fine! I am pleased !!! You know, the reason I decided to diet was to feel better, be a little lighter on my feet and legs, but mostly to avoid having to being with insulin. I still want to eat all the bad things but I keep reminding myself this is about my life and my health and that's more important.

I am tired, today was a BUSY fricken day at work, and tomorrow I have 3 orders coming in which I must stock and blah blah blah.. so I think I will sleep early.

Hope you are doing good...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/palins-northern-exposure.html#comment-153117

I didn't say she wasn't opinionated. She very definitely is. What I said that in the role of a moderator or interviewer, she is a total professional and her opinions will not infect the questions she directs at the debaters.

Wright endorsed from the pulpit as did a number of other ministers during the primary on Obama's behalf

Complain to the IRS, until otherwise you are still a part of the US

We wonder if Rosiethecat is sincere about her questions since she thinks she already has the answers

It's not okay for any church to become involved in politics. And under W., politics became involved in religion when he decided( and the Rep, congress) decided to give Federal money to faith based charities. In God We Trust, huh?

Spin Of The Day Postings
New York Times Managing Editor Admits Pre-War Failings
Source: The Plank (blog),The New Republic, September 30, 2008
"The managing editor of the New York Times, Jill Abramson, has admitted in a lengthy review of Bob Woodward's latest book that the Times failed to publish enough front-page articles questioning the prewar intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Midway through her 3,000-plus word review of "The War Within," Bob Woodward's latest book about George W. Bush's presidency, Abramson writes, "In 'Plan of Attack' Woodward acknowledges an error of his own: he admits he should have pushed The Washington Post to publish a front-page article about the flimsiness of the intelligence on W.M.D. I was Washington bureau chief for The Times while this was happening, and I failed to push hard enough for an almost identical, skeptical article, written by James Risen. This was a period when there were too many credulous accounts of the administration's claims about Iraq's W.M.D. (including some published in The Times and The Post)." Abramson admitted that at the time she "failed to grasp" the importance and the urgency of Risen's article."

To me there is no improvement in the media, they are having a big pity party. They are doing the same crap job on the "rescue plan."

jamie, re your tech problem. probably only a coincidence but my 'puter went into some crazy looping and resisted shutting down when i linked to the realclear site julie posted at 8:43 re ifill. finally cut everything off and chilled. no doubt trying to play gordo's am.samoa/indonesia early morning game didn't help either.... got enticed down spooky rabbit holes and some of those pakistani links are really scary. all's clear now ....knocking on virtual wood and crossing my pixels... but who knows what kind of cookies i picked up along the way.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/palins-northern-exposure.html#comment-153116

I'm sorry, flatus, but I don't think your case is proved by that post at all. Sarah Palin is very open about her religious beliefs and, while she has every right to be so open, it is also the right of the American public to NOT have the policies that could flow from her beliefs enacted into law. The fact of her belief does not dictate that others believe similarly, and it certainly shold not dictate their behavior.

I neither like nor dislike Sarah Palin, but I stand firmly with those who are appalled by her selection to run for VP alongside McCain. She isn't prepared, and she isn't qualified. I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for both of them. It looks as though it's very difficult for them to make a step that isn't harmful to their desires.

Then school me, 'cos apparently you have the knowledge and know-how.

All 4 candidates claim to be Christian, just so you know.

"In a July 2008 speech, Obama announced a plan to establish a Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. It would expand upon President Bush's faith-based initiative..."

http://pewforum.org/religion08/compare.php?Issue=Faith__Based_Initiatives

"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." -Barack Obama

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

Obviously there is a double standard concerning Obama and Palin.
"Shhhhh! We just have to get him elected, and THEN he will do the right thing!"

kudos, champ. That was a good 'un.

y'all keep talking about "bailout bill" and "rescue bill" being bad... are you knocking the big dawg again for not loving bho enough while he's stumping in florida?

He's sharin' the love with Biden.

I have never seen McCain, Obama or Biden make any attempt to insert their faith into the law of the land. I'm not sure the same is true of Palin, and as long as I have any reason to be concerned about how she might blend religion and government, she is not an option for my vote. McCain's willingness to choose her as his VP running mate places him outside the limits of my voting endurance.

The way McCain unwisely thrust himself into the unfolding financial crisis, whereby he appeared unsettled and unpresidential gave me pause. It alarmed George Will who found McC's behavior troubling, which pogo referenced in an earlier post, and I too was chastened by his words and demeanor.

In fairness I must also turn a critical eye on Obama whose conduct and temperament have troubled me greatly during the primaries, where Obama repeatedly looked manifestly unpresidential. I could point to the many occasions that he ingrained my negative impression, yet one had a unique duality that spoke to the heart of Obama's character. When he uttered three sneering words to Hillary; 'You're likable enough." So telling were those three simple words that they echo still in my mind with disquieting effect, "your likable enough," caused Puss [Frank Rich} to jump out of his boots and write an extraordinary rebuke by this easily documented Clinton hater. Rich wrote in his column that this act conveyed, and I quote; a disturbing "cruelty" that made Rich uneasy about Obama's character.

Obama has repeatedly shown that he has a very thin skin, and his reserved bearing only veneers his propensity to engage in actions that are often unseemly and shallow. While I have raised an eyebrow over McC's recent behavior and found him wanting, I see little evidence of a critical eye and equal calibration by BO's supporters.

PUMA - "Obama, a weak man for tough times."

toast

Some legislators are trying to get the inclusion in the bail out (rescue) bill that would allow bankruptcy judges to modify mortgages on principal residents. The banking industry is having a caniption fit.

Currently the law allows judges to modify secondary homes (i.e. if bankrupt, McCain could get modifications on six of his seven homes) but does not allow for the original family home. Another case of the rich have ways of getting richer not allowed to the ordinary citizen.

Might be a good idea to write to your Congress Critters that failure to get this relief for main street means no relief for Wall Street.

Poll: Obama Makes Gains with Women, Hits New High

Propelled by concerns over the financial crisis and a return of support from female voters, Barack Obama has opened a formidable 7-point lead over John McCain, reaching the 50% threshold among likely voters for the first time in the general campaign for President, according to a new TIME poll.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1846065,00.html

nanny,

The response to your refutation is my original assertion. You can equivocate all you like; it's all up there in black and white.

Spare us toast, you showed your true self yesterday, we know exactly where you are coming from.

the bankruptcy cram down is dead
"Why wasn't this reform in the original bill? Clyburn cited White House opposition in his remarks, but, in fact, Clyburn is soft-footing significant opposition to a bankruptcy reform drop-in from one of their own - Barack Obama. Last Wednesday, speaking to reporters in Florida, Obama dampened the possibilities of bankruptcy making it into the bailout package when he said, "Issues like bankruptcy reform, which are very important to Democrats, is probably something that we shouldn't try to do in this piece of legislation." Obama went on to say that even the economic stimulus proposal was "not necessarily something that we should have in this package."

But the House is working on two measures which could provide real assistance to distressed homeowners.

"Rep. DeFazio

Rep. DeFazio

There are currently two bills being worked on in the House as alternatives to the Paulson-Obama bill. The first is the DeFazio bill, which is intended to fix the banking system by providing, not a bailout, but insolvency relief. The second is being put together by Rep. David Scott and Rep. Doggett, with the aid of economist James K. Galbraith, and is intended to help ordinary people by creating a modern version of the Home Owner's Loan Corporation (HOLC) to take over mortgages and keep people in their homes with reasonable serviceable mortgages. "
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/01/bill-forming-in-the-house-one-last-chance-to-replace-the-paulson-bill-with-a-good-bill/

More leadership and possibilities in the House than in the Senate.

This is what I sent Senators Murray and Cantwell. I'll send it to my house member as well

Currently bankruptcy judges cannot modify mortgage agreements for the principal home of a petitioner even though they could do it for secondary mortgages for wealthy people owning multiple homes. Since bankruptcy for the average citizen is the result of job loss or extreme medical bills, this is depriving them of their only asset.

Given the job losses, lack of comprehensive health care, and reduction in buying power of most citizens, this is a vital piece of legislation that should be included in the bail out/rescue.

No relief for main street means no relief for Wall Street.

I enjoy your writing, toast. Well-composed. Don't mind the guy who ends sentences with prepositions and doesn't understand the proper use of homonyms.

IMO the "cramdown" is a last resort and if it were all the Democrats could get great. We need reform of the Biden Bankrupcy bill that's for sure.

However, there are other much better programs for distressed homeowners. HLOC is one and another working with banks participating in the bailout to restructure the mortgages is another.

The Republicans are getting exactly what they want in the bailout, so far the Democrats are getting zilch.

IMO Democrats should go for the best policy for distressed homeowners, not what is acceptable to Republicans.

Here's a novel idea: Repeal the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and the Bankruptcy Bill of 2005, and then you can have your SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS.

grouchy old man!

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=videonetwork&maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralObject=873527229

No wonder they hate him in Iowa.

wrong URL on that last post, here's the correct one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-testy-with-de_n_130801.html

Happy NEW YEAR!!
Craig just catching up after the close of our fiscal year..

OK the post today.. Boring but on track with the MSM - Maybe you did not see Jack on TV this morning putting little Joe in his place !!

Maybe the hand of corp. ge is going to come down on the entertainers and try to bring some Journalism back.

Go JACK if you can bring some reality from the la la land that is most of the cable outlets

CRAIG - your grade very poor - now if you qualified it.... Hey go ask Biden should he stop breathing and stay away from corn syrup. Now that was a winner

Champ

So many misssed possibilities for resolving the crisis. What has Paulson been doing since he became secy of treasury. I hope he isn't getting a bonus. (Don't laugh some gov't agencies have a bonus program)

The most insulting part of this whole business - that crap line
"who could have predicted." Well wasn't that his f--king job?"

Can't wait to see the final senate bill. ~~~~~~~~~~~~

NEW THREAD

The final Senate bill will include a free cookie for every American. "Eat your cookie and stfu."

Biden should withdraw immediately.

Keep up the good work. I've said enough today.

Traveling today so I was stuck with only CNN at ATL. Of course they had a few min of McCain and then at least 30 min of Obama (OK – I am not the clock or photo police but many people noted)

What struck me about Obama is the duplicitous nature – and how he can get by with this failure of consistent and logical. What is interesting is if one removes their own logical and responsible act of common sense thought – Obama might make sense - You just have to throw out half of what he says.

Obama is moving closer and closer to John McCain. This is supported by his course of action CHANGE in many areas. I just have to tune out the lies and half truths that he states when framing the problem.

Which means I must also ignore his character and try to find how he really will act IF elected. Which answers to that I do not even think Obama could answer.

Jamie, I don't pretend to know anything special about bankruptcy. If what you say is the case, why can't the person going through bankruptcy declare his or her automobile as the primary dwelling and the B&M as the secondary? One absurdity deserves another.

Get rid of the usury, and we will get rid of many of the potential bankruptcies--which would do a wonderful job of unclogging a court system faced with tens of thousands of unnecessary cases.

Patsi; 6:43 am ................ Hi Patsi, glad to hear from you, thanks..............................................................

blueINdallas; 7:50 am ................"Has been pleasantly absent", I think she's become as much of an embarrassment to the repugs as to women everywhere, and they only drag her out when they really need a pit bull, don't they?.........................................

Blonde wino; 9:41 am ........."no vote is ever thrown away", Blondie, sometimes you say the most amazing things. There it is, right in front of our faces, and we can't see it for the squabbling. GOOD FOR YOU........

Jane; 12:31 pm ................ "I don't understand that sentiment, as a woman". Jane, that's because you sound like a FREE-thinker, not a RABID supporter.....

eprof2; 1:19 pm ........ By raising the FDIC to 250,000. it makes what I said the other day about, all the merging making these companies too big to fail, all too true. Now the FDIC will have to bail them out and that will kill us insurance wise, don't you think? ..............................

blistersyeahbutchannel; 11:55 am ..................."you'd swear it was the republicans bill". They really do sound the same, don't they. It's terribly frightening, at least to me. And our side has the unmitigated gall to say that McCain will be 4 more years.............................

jo; 1:40 pm .............."If Sarah Palin does OK in the debate", Thanks for that Jo, I get so angry at the density of it all sometimes that I can't spit it out properly. I haven't heard any of her interviews and I guess I'll wait until after the debate to pass my humble judgement. I don't like her religious stance, but it doesn't seem to have affected her governing in Alaska, for whatever that's worth..................................................................

rosiethecat; 2:00 pm ....................... " It's not OK for any churches to become involved in politics", You are so right, it's never OK, besides I thought church was somewhere you went to hide from the tax man...........

Sturgeone; ................ What happened when the romans started to take the low road? Didn't the empire start to crumble and we all know who won don't we.......

Rita

patd:

Granted, Palin hasn't exactly shone in her CBS interviews this week!!

There's an interesting bit of comment/analysis on her capablity vis-a-vis the VP debate here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR_JFpD02D0

The pubdit in this clip recommends that she find any excuse to pull out of the debate!!

But I've also seen a bit of comment suggesting that Palin's ignorance may come over as 'refreshing'.

It'll be interesting to see how her 'unpretentious' lack of competency plays out among the great masses / independents.

I mean, some pundits criticise Obama for being too cool and intellectual - I guess by that logic someone who is anti-intellectual (or comes across that way) might appeal to a lot of independent voters?

Pretty high risk strategy going into a live debate tho - play dumb and hope the public love you for it!

Thoughts?

LOL. How's this for a pre-debate pep talk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR_JFpD02D0

[In which pundit declares that Palin is so shakey on policy her best strategy is to make up an excuse - any excuse - and pull out of the VP debate!!]

oops posted that link twice...