Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Go Obama!!

Boy Craig in about 12 hours you've gone from saying Obama sounds like a communist to sounding like a Jesus freak. Dramamine anyone?

You just noticed Obama supporters are cultish lemmings and that Obama exploits that, Craig?

...and then Coach Knight threw a chair at the guy.

The thing that makes it less scary but ickier when Obama does it is still the "bitter" comment. I can't know what's in his heart, but based on that one comment, it sure seems like joining that church in Chicago was a matter of political expedience.

I don't care if he's Christian, another religion or an atheist, but comments like that from him don't scare me the way they would from a right-wingnut, it just seems to me that he's pandering.

Again, it's the GOoPers who are the biggest Bible-thumpers and they are the ones with the biggest problem about "spreading the wealth." If they had to choose, their real god would be the almighty dollar and not the Almighty.

What first amendment?

Anti-tax author banned from selling his advice
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_us/tax_rebel_injunction

Errrr

Craig, Ever heard of The Righteous Brothers? They got their name from someone in an early crowd yelling, "That's righteous brothers".

In that context it has nothing to do with religion and more to do power and beauty.

Some of us who are voting for Obama are doing it because McFailin is a worse choice, not because we are "mindless lemmings."

Funny Jamie I heard the use of the word righteous in the same way you heard it, not religious at all. But I guess those looking to find fault will always spin accordingly.

Soul and Inspiration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDyOulteViU

Some of us who are voting for Obama are doing it because McFailin is a worse choice, not because we are "mindless lemmings."

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Now parrot another trite nickname for the GOP ticket like a good soldier.

well lookie there, i brought Jamie and Brian together in common denunciation of my post. my work here is done.

"I feel like WE got a righteous wind at OUR backs here." As in, the time is right for all of us to move forward and bring about positive change.

To take back our country and ensure a better future for all of us.

I am personally secular, Craig -- lapsed Catholic who attended both parochial and public schools. Feel religion should not have the place it does in politics, particularly conservative Republican politics, where it is used as a litmus test and a weapon and to divide as much as to assemble.

I am very comfortable with Obama's language, and do not find anything about his quote "scary."

Although maybe it's dog whistling to the religious among his supporters: come out and make a difference with me.

I am voting FOR Obama as well as against what McCain represents.

dog hussein lemming dog

CHANGE WHAT?

LOL@Craig

Oh we've been on good terms for at least two months now Craig! :)

I didn't see it as a religious comment either. I'm a atheist, but I use the word "God" quite often, as in "swear to" and "damn it". It's just the language we learn in America.

We sometimes still bristle a bit, but he finally figured out which buttons not to press if he didn't want to see the crockery flying.

I still don't adore Obama but he's growing into the job, seems to have a lot of good advice that he is actually taking, and is a hell of a lot better than the sclerotic and dysfunctional alternative.

Speaking of pandering, I hope to hell Obama drops the phony accents when he assumes office. I can't take it anymore. He threw in some street talk when he was solidifying blacks early on, now he's looking for the rural vote and he's dropping g's faster than a drunken chess player.

Craig -

Righteous could be the street usage. As in good. I know Jan and Dean were using it once upon a time.

As in "Man that's one Righteous Ride".

Incidentally: 35,000!

Did he bring out loaves and fishes too? Or levitate? Cast out any demons? Any lepers in evidence?

Anything else we missed?

Craig Crawford - The unity pundit.

"dog hussein lemming dog"

Are we back to that old saw now?

"They think he is a righteous dude!" - The school secretary telling the principal how kids feel about Ferris Bueller

Craig,

Considering that you live in the D.C. area, I figured you would fall on your knees and pray that any righteous wind would come in and blow away the stench that has hovered over your city for the last 8 years...

On a different note,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/arizona-gop-in-desperate_b_136701.html

Something tells me Obama could do some damage in AZ...

Well, I guess if the New Joshua can't use "righteous" nobody can. FISA vote, anybody?

Craig.....Brian and Jamie have been getting along for quite some time now. Where have you been???

well lookie there, i brought Jamie and Brian together in common denunciation of my post. my work here is done.

Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 23, 2008 12:47 PM

HOW DARE you question our fearless leader! Call the thought police!

It's fun to watch the lemmings scramble to rationalize His (with a capital 'H', of course) quasi-religious baloney. The Word of Obama. Thanks be to Obama. Woooo!

Speaking of 1 to 10's .....

McCain is on his Roto Rooter tour, and the big O has a Righteous Wind.

Patsi,

I won't worry unless he delivers his innaugural speech in pidgin Hawaiian slang. :-) My pet peeve is saying "tuh" instead of "to".

Given all his linguistic influences from flat Kansan to Hawaii to Philippines, to Ivy League to Chicago, to black church, he probably slips into whichever accent happens to be closest.

If you supported Obama too, you wouldn't get any flack here, Craig. LOL!

"Brian and Jamie have been getting along for quite some time now. Where have you been??? -- Posted by: Corey"

yes yes i know, it's been a pleasure to watch. just had to take a bow on a day they joined hands to jump on me :-)

Patsi,

Drunken chess players dropping their G's?

I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't get that...

Perhaps dropping more G's than a that Charles Barkley at a craps table is better?

Righteous wind at our backs here? I hope they didn't serve beans last night! LOL!

That's terble, Bear! Really, terble!

My favorite Charles Barkley quote was when he used the word "surreal" in a sentence. He said he didn't know what it meant, but he heard someone say it before and it sounded cool.

Arizona will be decided by who goes to the polls. If it is the elderly snow birds and those wanting to pull for the favorite son, then it will go McCain. If it is the Governor and Obama's GOTV driving the Hispanic and growing yuppies fleeing California vote to the polls, then Obama could take it.

Considering the Republicans wanted to carve Reagan's head on Mount Rushmore just a few short years ago ...... The whole idolatry attack doesn't wash very well.

Bear, just picturing a drunk trying to play chess. Should probably have said drunken chess player dropping pawns....:)

But I like Barkley at the craps table.

Jamie: "My pet peeve is saying "tuh" instead of "to".

Same here.

They all do that language thing -- and it made me grind my teeth equally when Hillary got into that mode.

Craig- are you gonna let Chris M. outlast you this election?

perhaps i should have noted that last night i watched Pier Paolo Pasolini's "The Gospel According to St. Matthew" -- so maybe i'm hyper attuned to religiosity today

Sorry,

That reference is a little lost on me because one of my really good friends is a chess savant and he could be drunk and high enough to be unable to stand, but put a chess board in front of him and he was Kasparov...I couldn't beat him when I was dead sober and using a chess simulator so I quit playing actually...lol

Corey, I'd recommend standing upwind.

And it is all about the youth vote. I remember Joe S. really making Andrea Mitchell mad in 2004 by being so sure that the youth wouldn't come out. They didn't.

At least Hillary was quoting a lyric from a hymn, but hearing her say "I Aint in No Way Tarred" instead of Tired did make me wince. :-)

I probably shouldn't say anything. My roots are so confused, that pronunciation could end up anywhere.

The Greenspan testimony is starting to sound a lot like Rice at the 9/11 hearings.

Craig,

Interesting timing to you post considering that today's rerun of West Wing on Bravo deals with Vinnick's blowing off the Jesus freaks in his church and declaring he hasn't been to church in years...if memory serves...he lost right?

From the last thread:

"Pardon me Gordo, but you're obsessed."

Posted by Pogo

Gee Pogo, 'ya think?

Spot on post !!!!

Craig
Great post!! Obama makes me uneasy much of the time.When I hear him speak, unlike most here,he sounds to much like some of those phony preachers I worked with at G.M....Thanks for your honest thought provoking blog posts......

ET, yes, and I try.

Craig- I always thought that was so funny last time, "cos Chris M. is a good, what, 10-15yrs older than you, and you left while he was still bouncing up and down in seat and looking fresh as a first grader.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162404

Brian, funny post. When I was 18, (1977) I tried going to college. I had a long bus ride and a long history of motion sickness. I would be sick each day by the time I finally made it to the University of Minnesota. Only one day did I have to get off the bus to "upchuck" and that was the day I decided to take Dramamine to see if it would control the daily sickness I would experience. :-) U of M was too large and cumbersome for me and I didn't fit in well with the huge lecture halls and the like. It wasn't til 1985 that I finally did a few years of community college and then attended The Evergreen State College where I received both a Bachelor's Degree and a Master's Degree in Public Administration. I often wonder if Dramamine was my downfall during my first college attempt :-)

Obama's lead widens in latest Ipsos/McClatchy poll

A new Ipsos/McClatchy poll out Tuesday found:

* Obama, the Democrat, supported by 50 percent of likely voters.

* McCain, the Republican, supported by 42 percent.

* Independent candidate Ralph Nader supported by 1 percent.

Libertarian candidate Bob Barr didn't register enough support to count. Another 7 percent of likely voters didn't support any of those candidates or didn't know whom they supported.

The Ipsos/McClatchy poll of 773 likely voters was taken last Thursday through Monday. It has an error margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Blue, spot on!

Champ that was a magnificent cheap shot against those of us who are supporting Obama.

More than 750 people cast advance ballots on Wednesday, the first day of advance voting in Sedgwick County. That's nearly double the number who voted on the first day of advance voting four years ago.

Wichita, Kansas

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162416

Craig? You post reads uncharacteristically defensive and snarky. Am I reading it wrong? I am with you on wishing all these religious proclamations would just cease, but you have to admit that Brian's post particularly did point out a rather 180 degree turn from the issue raised in this thread from the previous one. Not a criticism; just an acknowledgment.

just playin with them, euro. no snarkiness intended

"That reference is a little lost on me because one of my really good friends is a chess savant and he could be drunk and high enough to be unable to stand, but put a chess board in front of him and he was Kasparov"

Funny -- I've seen some drunks who couldn't have done so....but they weren't savants.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162423

Patsi I see your point, but as much as I was PASSIONATELY for Hillary, I thought she did much of the same to change how she spoke depending on the region she was campaigning in.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162445

Backtracking?

*ducks*

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162455

rosiethecat, i'm not following you with the Chris M posts. to what does the madam refer?

Craig- I always thought that was so funny last time, "cos Chris M. is a good, what, 10-15yrs older than you, and you left while he was still bouncing up and down in seat and looking fresh as a first grader.

Oops, sorry for the dble post

Tom in Euro -

Here , here.

righteous, definition, as noun:

1. characterized by uprightness or morality: a righteous observance of the law.
2. morally right or justifiable: righteous indignation.
3. acting in an upright, moral way; virtuous: a righteous and godly person.
4. Slang. absolutely genuine or wonderful: some righteous playing by a jazz great.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/righteous

maybe righteous in the fourth sense?

Tom said: "but as much as I was PASSIONATELY for Hillary, I thought she did much of the same to change how she spoke depending on the region she was campaigning in."

Agree, Tom. That's why I posted this:

"They all do that language thing -- and it made me grind my teeth equally when Hillary got into that mode."

Posted by: Patsi | October 23, 2008 1:09 PM

backtracking? ah mebbe you guys have talked me down to a 5.2 on my squeamish meter

no prob about double post rosie, but i didn't understand it either time

The last election. Chris was up ALL night long, and everyone was dropping like flies around him. You put in a good running, you stayed up pretty late,(not sure how long 'cos of the funky time difference).but alas, you gave it up also.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162445

Pasolini? Wow, I first saw "Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma" showing at a theatre within the University of Minnesota. Was I ever shocked! I actually bought the DVD and watched it again. Still as shocking, still as disturbing, and still a strong commentary on the hypocrisy of religious piety and the excesses of Italy's historical fascism.

I was going to buy Cantebury Tales, but I have held off because if it's Passolini it's GOT to be excessive, albeit that is part of the genius of his work. I am still undecided if I will buy it or not.

On a sad note -

William Shatner, armchair psychotherapist, says in a new YouTube video that former shipmate George Takei must have some sort of "psychosis" because Takei harbors a long-standing grudge against him ... about which Shatner goes on for a good four minutes.

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2008/10/william_shatner_bolding_diagno.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162474

ah ok, now i get it. well i am not a big fan of working election nights -- talk about 'everything has been said, but not everybody has said it'

GORDO you'll want to watch that Shatner clip.

pogo ---------------------------

Continuing our discussion from the previous thread.
-----------------------
"... american citizen who was born an american citizen on u.s. soil - and there doesn't seem to be much of a dispute over that ..."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/spread-the-wealth-wins-votes.html#comment-162391
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No dispute? What about Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya?
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"All persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States ... One of the most complicated areas of US citizenship law involves the passage of citizenship to children born outside the US to one or more US citizen parents. ... there is one important office that only natural born citizens can hold – the presidency ...

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14."

http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
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Barry/Barack DOB: August 4, 1961

Stanley Ann DOB: November 29, 1942

She was 18+ years old -- did not meet the five year requirement if he was born outside the US. No passage of citizenship.
=====
Understand the importance of the Mercer Island, WA visit in August 1961 by Stanley Ann and baby Barry?

Shatner was just being pissy 'cos he was the only cast member that wasn't invited to his wedding.

Heather Wilson (R) NM = 50's gym teacher

don't know about those others, Euro, but Pasolini's "Gospel" is one of the most straghtforward, almost documentary-like accounts of the life of Jesus (perhaps because Pasolini was an atheist)

Craig, same cringe here. Must be a southern thang. Not much use of the word righteous in the Bible Belt without that religious connotation. Now in a Chicago jazz club, maybe so.

4 polls out today showing Obama with double digits in PA. McCain better start looking elsewhere.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162484

amen, pogo, i'm back to a 5.5

GORDO -
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–noun
1. the domination of one's thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea, image, desire, etc.
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3. the state of being obsessed.
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I assume that Governor palin and Congresswoman bachmann despise the "anti-American" Sermon on the Mount" ("The Beatitudes", for my Roman Catholic friends), and all that business about loaves and fishes, and giving your cloak to the poor, love your enemy, etc. No doubt, they think it's very commie-istic to spout such anti-Croesus and defeatist propaganda, and that Jesus was a Muslim terrorist, commie agitator, and unrepentant feminazi.

Calvinists have traditionally thought that the riches indicate the favor (Grace, as they put it) of God. I don't know that this is still a popular idea among Calvinists. The UCC certainly seems to be more sympathetic to poor people than were the Covenanters from which they eventually evolved. Traditionally, Calvinists are also determinists (fatalists) like the Moslems and commies. ~( :>0)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162486

snicker, snort, Craig.

Craig how high does your cringe meter go when you hear Palin speaking about god?

Oh! CW Bachmann accused Chis M. of setting a trap for her! Her words, honest.

Yeah Gordo, shut up and bow to the Master.

"Craig how high does your cringe meter go when you hear Palin speaking about god?"

here's my answer: http://homepages.wmich.edu/~p3carney/Crusades/CS010471.jpg

Springtime for Hitler
By Josh Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/239410.php

well i gotta run, somebody look up Lincoln's quote about how it's better to be "on God's side" instead of thinking God is on yours, or something like that. it'll make me feel less squeamish

Jesus wasn't just a Jew.

Jesus was, is, and forever shall be, a Jew.

If Judaism is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for the Assemblies of God and Southern Baptists.

Craig not sure what your answer means.

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 23, 2008 11:05 AM :
"PS - The poor widow that gave so much was also taken care of by her community - not a government"

1. Where do you find this information ?
2. It is interesting, but not relevant.
3. Tacit in your statement is a denial that the US is a community.
4. You republicans are supposed to oppose community, because communities stifle 'rugged individualism'.
5. When are you republicans finally going to start taking care of all the widows and orphans that you want to take off welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security ??? What's your pledge, big shot ?

It's a picture of the Crusades=10

Tnx Rosie!

Champ is one's for you -

http://www.ragtimepiano.ca/images/sourgrapes.jpg

Craig,
I'm with you on this as well. It sure raised my eyebrows. I doubt that the BO faihtful or the religious right have an issue with comments like that. Nice to know that there are a few pragmatists that do.

Lessons learned well from the R's

Lessons learned from the republicans,religion is what moves the majority of the country,,,,,,,yes he is pandering, i hope that is all if he reads the bible like GW we are in for a bumpy ride, power of $ and religion is what the bible teaches( the meek will never inherit). Obama will out do the teacher---the rev, W,,,,he learned his lessons well,,i don't think that he will distribute the wealth,,,maybe yours and mine, but not his?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/am-polls-show-surprisingly-large-leads.html

It's a twofer -
The Ferris Bueller / Evangelical vote.

Grace: Oh, he's very popular Ed. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.

I wonder if the good rev. W's mil $ house that he inherited from his flock is completed, bet no one but the maid lives there?

"A righteous wind at our back"

Isn't that Mid '60s Surfer talk ?

sure it is....welcome to the faithful....laughs

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right”

Abraham Lincoln

The Republicans have a larger problem than Obama as president. They need to begin thinking about what faction they'll join when the purges begin in the Republican Party. Because Voo-Doo economics is dead.

Craig,

You want us to read Lincoln ?

Don't you know that Lincoln was so anti-American that he instituted the income tax to destroy us ? ~( :>0)

So is the Constitution.

atticus,
they haven't invented a type of economics that will save with all the new spending that's on its way....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162512

I thought it was to pay the bills for the Civil War. Good liberal Republican ... pay the bills and take care of the poor people.

Amazing how the two parties have completely switched constituents.

Atticus Finch, Esq.,

I suspect that you mean doo-doo economics. Voodoo economics is what they call it before the doo-doo hits the pan. They are both closely related to trickle down economics.

Bwt, are you feeling flush these days ?

Forty years ago, Richard Nixon made a remarkable marketing discovery. By exploiting America's divisions -- divisions over Vietnam, divisions over cultural change and, above all, racial divisions -- he was able to reinvent the Republican brand. The party of plutocrats was repackaged as the party of the "silent majority," the regular guys -- white guys, it went without saying -- who didn't like the social changes taking place.

It was a winning formula. And the great thing was that the new packaging didn't require any change in the product's actual contents -- in fact, the GOP was able to keep winning elections even as its actual policies became more pro-plutocrat, and less favorable to working Americans, than ever.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/384332_krugman22.html?source=mypi

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d

Yesterday we were going on about "truth is stranger than fiction". There is a new movie coming out "Changeling" starring Angelina Jolie about a true story from late 1920s Los Angeles. Truth really took a major vacation from the probable with Christine Collins and the changes her case made in California law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Changeling_(2008_film)

Who to choose?

In Germany, there was a jewish family that had a catholic maid, while home alone with the families only child, the maid decides that she did not want the child(5-6 years old) to go to hell, so she baptizes the him, i did not know that this could be done by anyone, and without holy water (hey every time that i drink water im baptizing myself), anyway after mass one sunday she bragged about a new convert to the priest.The cathlic church took the child away from the jewish familly------after a few days the family went to the bishop and demanded the son back-----the bishop said no way, they willl keep the child,,,,,,,thinking that he had another 2 converts the bishop told the family that if they converted to the catholic faith that they could have their son back,,,,they refused and never saw their son again,,,,,,they sent the boy away.
either way they loose,,,,,they chose the church,,,,,other churches have gods also, how did they know that theirs was the right choice?

I know that my brother the catholic decan, if given the choice between his family 4 of them and his church he would choose the
church, cos he told me that he would choose the church over me or my bro's during a heated conversation that religion always does.

I totally disagree that the word "righteous" is religious talk. It just means justice, and good. Evil is a religious word and politicians have been throwing around the word "evil" like it just means "bad" for years. I didn't hear anyone complaining about that being religious. Evil is a purely religious word. Good vs. evil is biblical, not logical. Some people like myself don't even believe in evil, but we believe in righteousness.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/spread-the-wealth-wins-votes.html#comment-162476

Dearest Xrep… (and thank goodness you departed if indeed you ever have been)

I was reading your delightful post at the end of the last thread. I find concern for your negative and bitter elements but is consistent with your ex-republican status -- with your approach this may not be good for your health – I would avoid calling you new-Dem. Fortunately the majority of Dem’s I know do not represent your biter distain and actually enjoy a productive argument.

Oh I digress…

So to answer your question – Historians and Theologians would be the source – Talk about separation of Church and state…. But to much for this thread.

Also your blanket statement that Republicans do not care for the welfare of individuals is so the negative smear campaign statement of hate and ignorance – so sad – I feel sorry for your lack of understanding and failed use to label a group without knowing the facts.

Will keep an eye out for a more responsive post other then one with a foundation of odium. (I think that was a Flatus word)

Solar,
That's just sad......but there are alot of people like that and they are becoming more political as well....it's a virtual lock that we will be less free tomorrow than we are today.

The twist on VooDoo / DooDoo is -

Karl Rove made being a "C" student a virtue. That there was some kind of wisdom in mediocrity.

The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity.
James F. Cooper

Atticus....
no doubt...mediocrity is our new virtue...at the expense of excellence

Jamie,

Yes, Lincoln seemed to care about the underclass. The last Republican president of noble character was Chester A. Arthur. I believe that he was denied the nomination of his party as a result of his scupulous honesty.

I categorize TD as member of the Bullmoose Party.

Hey, thanks!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/165128

Damn polls.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/10/this_race_goes_to_11.html?hpid=topnews

;-)

Brain -
How about this +1 and deal. No question what is yours if itis this -1

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/spread-the-wealth-wins-votes.html#comment-162364

The same so-called Liberals who have bemoaned past Republican manipulative practices defend and rationalize the use of similar techniques by their own candidates, as if to assert it's not the method that is objectionable, but he objective itself. The worst aspect of this phenomenon is that there is nothing ironic about it.

Bear you have the prize for the day with that link.

Gordo,

I got my meds so i'll play :)

1) not agreeing he was born anywhere besides HI
2) but if so, i.e. Kenya, then according to the cite you linked,
the next sentence following: "with five of the years after the age of 14."
reads:
"Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child."

Hey, thanks!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/165128

Posted by: Troll | October 23, 2008 2:55 PM

Obviously Mr. Samuelson is under the mistaken assumption that America's youth is actually getting an education and not frittering away the prime of their lives on myspace and facebook in an orgy of unprecedented self-absorption.

How 'bout some Kinks?

Celluloid Heroes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDd-MtRFvRA

I'm all for the newest generation paying taxes to pay for the benefits of aging baby boomers, just like I paid the benefits for my parents generation, that's how the system works.

Champ you seem to have the position that the past 8 years have been some sort of crowning achievement .

"not frittering away the prime of their lives on myspace and facebook in an orgy of unprecedented self-absorption."

Champ is there a better time to fritter?

As far a self absorbtion, Hey they got us boomers as a guide. Gonna be hard to be more self absorbed than a boomer.

Jack

"...Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope: In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation, a belief in things not seen, a belief that there are better days ahead.

I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

I believe we can provide jobs for the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs, and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices and meet the challenges that face us.

America, tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do, if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as president. And John Edwards will be sworn in as vice president. And this country will reclaim it's promise. And out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come.

Thank you very much, everybody.

God bless you. Thank you. "

Sure sounds religious to me. By the way, the quote is from His 2004 address before the Democratic Convention.

Here ya go Champ suck on this -

Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.
Fulton J. Sheen

Brian,
The problem with that system is that your parent's generation paid very little into it. Not compared to what they take out. You and I will probably pay more than we receive back and our kids will pay alot for us and receive almost nothing for themselves.....kind of hard for them to get excited about that.

One of the brightest stars in the economic universe ..... ladies and gentelmen, McDonald's.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/mcdonalds-3q-profit-jumps_n_137118.html

Flatus

That is funny.

And yes Obama uses a lot of preacher speak in his speeches. I don't know if he is a true believer or he has just hung around all the preacher and preacher wannabes that inhabit the dogooding business.

Jack

Please, Craig, "righteous" means "morally correct" (you could look it up); it doesn't mean Godly, though that it another meaning that I suppose is popular in your neck of the woods. I'm a liberal elite atheist, and I'm a righteous one.

Rezdog --------------

I know. So were his parents married? He says they were. If it's proven that he was born in Kenya, then he can say they were not.

That's why ALL documents need to be released. He is using the legal system to keep his "hidden" past a secret.

If he has nothing to hide -- what is he hiding? He is hiding info that would show that he does not meet the Constitutional requirements for POTUS.

There is more: multiple citizenships, etc.

I have no problem paying in more than I will receive back, there is a reason it's called SOCIAL Security.

Pogo

McD's has become the breakfast place for the wife and I on our Saturday mornings out. We used to go to several different local restaurants. But we have been cutting back

What has walmart been doing, they are another indicator of bad times.

Jack

speaking of cutting back
Better get some beans on to cook.

Jack

Brian,
I've maxed out for years and know I'll never see it back. They'll have a means test by the time I get there and they'll penalize me for taking care of my own retirement...yeah!!!!.Lucky me..:)

So, what difference does it make where he was born?
NONE by your own admission.

Marriage records are public documents go find theirs.

It's funny you never include that next sentence when you quote that legal cite. Actually it's not funny, it's makes perfect sense inre: Pogo's comment about intent.

As far a self absorbtion, Hey they got us boomers as a guide. Gonna be hard to be more self absorbed than a boomer.

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 23, 2008 3:10 PM

That's why I posted a boomer pop-song. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Jack,

Stopped by our local Wachovia this morning. Commiserated with the tellers, wishing them 'good fortune'. One told me she has a good friend working at the major Catholic hospital in Columbia. Her friend told her that the hospital has cut two positions held by 20-year employees; sayonara. People are very nervous here.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162542

Well it probably doesn't help that the treasury has been ripping off the surpluss from the Boomers' SS payments to cover the deficit for decades.

Hmm, Atticus, let's see... negation of the Constitution, war-mongering, fear-mongering, corporate welfare, squandering of resources, rampant manipulation, ideological warfare...yeah, the last 8 years were fantastic! Let's HOPE the next 8 are better, because that's about all we have left. If only we had a savior, a grand orator, to save us from all this earthly turmoil. Not Jesus, though, because religion is evil! I prefer a secular deity.

ping pong,

1. Re your crocodile tears and concern about my health. You don't mean it, as shown by your characterizing as 'hate' my holding you accountable for your words. Save your fibs for your family.

2. I asked for your source on the quip that the poor widow was cared for by her community. Your failure to name any of the alleged historians or theologians shows that your original assertion was mere bs.

3. I also see that you decline to step up to the plate for poor people, just as I suspected you would. So much for your concern for the poor widow, and the underclass that she represents. How very republican of you.

The municipal employees that opted out of Social Security here in Texas have done extremely well when compared to the ones that stayed with SS. 5-8 times better

G Man,

Did you ever hear of or see that kid's toy/game; "Whac- A-Mole"?

Hi G Mole!

Craig: no nuance needed today - that was a stupid post.

Careful Craig....can a party excommunicate you?

Here's a chant for your next rally:

"What are we going to do?"

"CHANGE!"

"What are we going to CHANGE?"

"We're not quite sure yet!"

"How are we going to CHANGE it?"

"We were waiting for you to tell us!"

"I'm all for the newest generation paying taxes to pay for the benefits of aging baby boomers, just like I paid the benefits for my parents generation, that's how the system works. "

I never minded paying into SS, knowing it was being paid out to an earlier generation, either. But I've been a little surprised at some of the next generation who really do resent it.

But I figure I'm doing my part , as was noted earier -- with no health insurance I probably won't live to collect anything anyway. (That's only a sort-of joke...)

A new low for Brad Blakeman, and that's saying something!

GOP Strategist On Palin's Clothing Allowance: Real Outrage Is "Obama Taking A 767 Campaign Plane To Visit Grandma" (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/gop-strategist-on-palins_n_137226.html

Rezdog --------------

"So, what difference does it make where he was born?"

Try reading the citizenship law again. Marriage status, citizenship status of parents, age of US citizen parent at time of birth, etc., all matter.

It's about the passage of citizenship if the child is born outside the US.

Champ: I admit, the change message can be a bit annoying at times, but it's proven to be absolutely effective. Obama has not moved from his one-word message since day one - and that is why he is winning. Unlike McCain, Obama has not had to reshift the narrative over and over again. For a good account of the ups and downs of the Mac message, see this fascinating profile from the Times Sunday magazine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/magazine/26mccain-t.html

Also: I happen to think change is a bit better than the relentless POW self-aggrandizing we get from McCain.

Country first! Oh, by the way, did you know they broke my bones, my friends, but they never broke my spirit? Country first! Sometimes we're going to disagree, that's what happens when you've got a team of mavericks. Country first.

See, my friend, we can go back and forth on this.

Patsi,
You know you don't have to have insurance to pay for medical care...My doctor actually excepts checks...and cash

"Well it probably doesn't help that the treasury has been ripping off the surpluss from the Boomers' SS payments to cover the deficit for decades."

That's right, Jamie....and of course, when Gore talked about locking that door, the media turned him into a buffoon.

" If it's proven that he was born in Kenya,"

Gordo, make up your mind. I thought you were touting some other place where he was born. Have we now switched to Kenya?

I'll agree it's an effective manipulative technique, PU, so much so that McCain is even trying to use it himself. I'm not as concerned with the practices of politics so much as I am with the erosion of our rights and civil liberties, coupled with the deification of human beings and the unquestioning adulation of them. I could continue with that with which I'm concerned, but, alas, I have some more important things to do than saving our Great Republic at the moment. Good day.

Yeah, trader, if I get cancer or some shit I'll ask if they'll take a check.

Brian,

I didn't look at the video--just read enough of the article to get a gist of it.

Why are you outraged at Blakeman? Is it true that he's taking 'his' 767? On the face of it, does sound a little over the top.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162497

and don't forget, xrepublican, Jesus was a community organizer

Flatus

I talked to my sister last week, she works as a cardiac care nurse. Business is slow. People are putting off going to the hospital. Even the cardiac unit that you would think would be mostly recession proof. After all if you have a heart attack what are you gonna do? I guess stay home and see if you die.

Jack

Patsi,
I'm sure that they will. Probably give you a good deal too......

Probably give you a good deal too......

Spoken like some one who is healthy, or has good insurance.

When you pay cash you pay full price. The insurance companies get major discounts.
Under a previous insurance plan I had to pay for my doctor visit $176.00 and the blood work up @ around $500, My current insurance pays for it they pay 75 to the doctor and $80 for the blood workup.
No discount for paying cash you just get screwed.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-righteous-wind-claim-ov.html#comment-162571

Flatus who said I was outraged, I think it's funny watching the likes of Blakeman scraping the bottom of the barrel. Very little outrages me these days, I'll leave that up to you! I'm sure a lot of you repugs are going to be spending the next two years finding things to be outraged about, get used to it.

SolarCrete,

Your reference is to the 1856 kidnapping of 6 year old Egardo Mortara from his parent's home in Bologna, Italy (a papal state at that time) by soldiers of Pope pius ix.

The Mortara boy was held in the Papal quarters for 10 years. The strenuous entreaties of embassies from Britain, France, and other countries failed to secure his release. Pope pius was quoted as saying that he loved the boy and was raising him as his own son. While Garibaldi later put an end to such egregious predation of little boys by pius, the Piedmontese troops and agents were unable to find young Edgardo. Around 1870, Mortara was 'put into orders' and smuggled to a monatery in Belgium. He met his family again around the turn of the 20th Century, when he was over 40 years old, and several times after that.

Edgardo Mortara died in Belgium in 1940, as the nazis were crushing Belgium underheel.

The Mortara case proves the ability of women to perform sacramental rites in the Roman Catholic Church. The legal argument that pius had a compelling interest in removing Edgardo from his non-Catholic family is based on an alleged baptism, successfully performed by a teen-aged girl.

Gordo, sorry, I didn't see your 1:43 post until now.

Let me 'splain something to you. Berg is the plaintiff. The burden of proof is his. He has asserted that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg has the burden of proving that. Try as he may, he can't shift that burden to Obama. Others, Obama included, have asserted Obama was born in HI. Obama travels internationally, presumably under a U.S. passport, and if that is the case enjoys the presumption that the passport was issued properly. I've read the texasdarlin' site stuff, excerpted below:

"Update 2, 10/12/08 10:40 AM ET: Since originally posting this story Saturday, Atty. Philip Berg’s office informed us that they cannot discuss this matter due to pending litigation, which is understandable. They also informed us that Berg is NOT collaborating with Ed Hale, moderator of a site, “Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain” and host of a radio show. We have had no direct contact with Ed Hale, and have no idea whether he’s truthful or not. Whether or not the “tip” we received is accurate, only time will tell. At this time, we have no further independent verification. However, the reason we published this story and the reason we will keep the story on this blog is that the language in Berg’s filing — which is a matter of public record — is specific about the Kenyan birth place, and we assume that the claim is based on something besides wishful thinking.

Update 1, 10/11/08: Please note that the information about the Kenyan BC is based on a tip that has not yet been verified. The information about the lawsuit is confirmed, and was taken from the court record."

And I read a lot of the nonsense that was posted at some of the sites you provided before. They, too, were based on supposition.

Gordo, do you know what the term "has not been verified" means? Do you know what the term "we assume" means?

Now here's an interesting fact - Berg filed a Motion for Summary Judgment in his case yesterday - based on faulty grounds and which will be denied. What was not attached? The Kenyan BC referred to in the texasdarlin site 12 days ago and aassumed to have been sent to Berg. That leads me to conclude 2 things - the unverified tip about the BC was not correct and Berg has nothing to prove his assertions about it.

At this point, Phillip Berg has proved nothing, Oh he claims to know something at odds with what others have said they know, and at odds with a document he (well, you, actually) claim is altered. But let us know when Berg actually has something that supports his assertions. Then we can talk about what is rather than what may be.

Continue to check the EDPa website - it may help you understand what's going on.

Jack,

There was a front page Times article a couple of days ago saying people were cutting down on their prescription meds. Like taking every other dose, or making value judgments as to whether the med is really important.

Docs aren't pleased as more severe illness will probably result with the ultimate cost being much higher than the skipped doses.