Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PHi-Eihzhk

Craig.... I hate it when you change the subject whenever we're having a good conversation....

and just for you I'll mention a word or two about your topic......

Clinton....... Obama...... :0)

Me, too, Renee. Now I feel compelled to repost my last 2. Here's one.

OSH - I'm done with Gordo and his SO rap. Of course Berg's on the steps of the SCOTUS - you don't think they''d let him in the building do you? Be interesting to see who's there to hear him other than the school kids standing in line to see their 3 minutes of whatever argument is taking place when they fle into the gallery.

McCain has lost Joe the Plumber !

Here''s the other.

I saw a repeat of the end of this interview between Shepard Smith and Joe the Plumber and almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/foxs-shepard-smith-forced_n_138674.html

JTP - avatar of the McCain camp - strong opinions about things he's almost completely uninformed about - and doesn't even know what his candidate's position on the issue is while he's on his "Maybe I'm A Foreign Policy Expert, But Anyway, You Should Go Out And Get Your Own Opinions On Things Instead Of Listening To Mine, Even Though I'm Going To Keep Opining If You Give Me Half A Chance, And Anyway, I Don't Even Really Know What John McCain's Position Is On Anything Anyway, And Probably I Should Be Snaking A Sink Trap Or Something, Instead Of Dragging Myself All Over The Country Making Statements Which I Then Sort Of Disavow A Few Minutes Later Anyway, Who Knows?" Tour of 2008!"

Oh, and on your new topic, Craig - Obama may be many things, but he's apparently not a fool. Something tellsme he won't need those unlimited minutes to talk with Bill after January.

Anon - he's lost his support or he just can't find him?

McCain is feeding his "honor" into a wood chipper in Ohio as I type.
Ping must have written the speech he's using that word again "fundamental".

hey all, me and andrew making a video today of the FIVE MOST MEMORABLE MOMENTS in this election, including the primaries --- your suggestions are most welcome . . .

Joe the Plumber is getting a advertising gig as the NEW Mr. Clean...he needs an agent, not a small business.

I liked Clinton last night...his talk of the oil companies, price of gas, etc. Exxon made over $14 billion last quarter! Drill, baby, drill...they sure have done a great job in screwing us all!

Reposting-
Anon- love the Clancy brothers. We'll be cranking them up and hoisting our Guinness tomorrow night!

Pogo- you're right, it will be interesting to see who and if anybody shows.

Oh good god, Ping and the "fundamentals" of our economy. I think if we just took the "funda" out of the equation it would be more accurate!

Rule 25 in Craig Crawford's The Politics of Life:
"The Powerful Never Give Up Control - It Must Be Taken Away"

That's why Obama's got 200,000 people on the ground in Fla.

The Tim Russert attack on Clinton over the driver's licenses for undocumented workers -where all the other candidates (sic) jumped on her.

Is Joe the Plumber really going to be the new Mr. Clean? If that's so, Procter and Gamble products will no longer be purchased by me.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-cash-lead-produces-a-bi.html#comment-165913

Flatus, I know what the Kool-aid context means, but I don't understand what it had to do with Barack Obama's excellent half hour television buy.

"The Powerful Never Give Up Control - It Must Be Taken Away"

What ever happened to "The Society of the Cincinnati?"

Oops, wonder if Hannity has seen this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/francis-fukuyama-endorses_n_139139.html

Fukuyama endorses Obama.

or this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/29/AR2008102903199.html?nav=hcmodule

Will continues his crticism of McCain.

Some people consider these guys to mean something in conservative circles.

ET

I fabricated the advertising gig...but he sure does look like Mr. Clean and I am surprised an ad agency hasn't noticed that...

craig, how about the revenge of the polls? msnbc when the nh results came in....
or the tweety leg tingle?

Question, has there been any gauging of Obama support since his biographical 1/2 hour program was broadcast? I sense that his numbers would have to go up; it was THAT good.

And to Craig, I would say the moment it became clear that Obama had no serious intention of even considering Hillary Clinton to be his running mate as one of those moments, maybe not the 5 most memorable, but still... why not make it the 50 the most memorable??? :D

Craig, obviously the JTP moment between Obama and Joe is No. 1 on the list.

Pogo...listening to Hannity these days is really comic fun...he better get that blood pressure under control.

Ooh, ooh, pat is right about the Tweety leg tingle moment.

Rudee and the phone calls -especially the NRA

The moronic parsing of the Hucksterbee Christmas ad

The naming of Sarah Palin (my pick in the CQ vp derby)

All this talk about sailing ships and whales brings to mind a recent discovery. For a blog article I was researching the HMS Bounty. If you are feeling particularly adventurous, you too can sail aboard this famous ship for one day or for a whole cruise to the mutineers destination of Pitcairn

http://www.tallshipbounty.org/sail-bounty/passages.php

Bon Voyage

In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. polls released this morning, Obama leads 52 percent to 45 percent among likely voters in Nevada, 52 to 46 percent in North Carolina, 51 percent to 47 percent in Ohio, and 55 percent to 43 percent in Pennsylvania.
In Arizona, McCain leads 53 percent to 46 percent.
The surveys were conducted Oct. 23-28 and have margins of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points in Arizona, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and 4 percentage points in Nevada and North Carolina.

Blondie, I almost hate to say it, but I hope not. I saw one minute of H&C last night, and Hannity was about to blow a gasket - he wouldn't let either of his guests finish a sentence - neither one of them was ranting enough for him. He has become an absolute joke. He's really just a parody of himself now. I can't believe that anyone with more than half a brain takes anything he says seriously.

CC
The Clinton driver's license question.

Today's thread on The BackChannel Blog
Leadership by dnd
http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166009

Never has one person done so much to turn "friends" and "fight" into dirty words. There is emphasis. There is repetition for effect. Then there is blood from the ears of your listeners every time you open your mouth.

craig....if you can make room for a sixth moment...Jessie Jackson and the hand motion of robbing Mr. Obama of his family jewels.

CC
Lieberman whispering into McCain's ear to correct his misstatements aobut the different factions in Iraq.

Craig,

The Hillary Clinton "tears" speech that almost turned the tide for her. Just so once and for all people can be reminded that she was tearing up in sadness for what has been done to America not crying for herself.

I gave up watching MSNBC (except when Craig is on) a looooong time ago....

patd is onto something........ I remember people posting here about the abject look of shock on both Olbermann's and Matthews' faces as the NH primary results came in.....

and Craig..... you and Andrew do a fabulous job with the videos..... KUDOS!

Given the how long this thing has been , you guys might want to go for a Top Ten.

"We are the ones we've been waiting for," Obama said. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you."

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

We are all Leaders Now!
Who will follow?

I wish I could say it's good to see that not everyone is hurting as theeconomy slows...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR2008103001401.html?hpid=topnews

... but I somehow just can't bring myself to find any joy in seeing Exxon acheive record profits as the economy tanks.

A collage of Republican primary moments - "who let the dogs out" ; who doesn't believe in evolution; who wants to crawl into the Reagan crypt,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166018

AC

For well over 200 years one President has stepped down and "returned to the farm" while another peacefully assumed the job. They might not have wanted to depart, but they did without revolution or riot. Not bad. Not bad at all. Cincinnatus would proably approve.

This kind of puts the Exxon profits picture in context:

"The third quarter results also included a $170 million charge to cover a punitive damages award from the oil spill that took place when the oil tanker Exxon Valdez ran aground in Alaska in March 1989. The set aside for the hotly contested damage award is barely more than 1 percent of the company's profits this quarter. Exxon has set aside $460 million for the Valdez damages so far this year."

good stuff for the Memorable Moments list, keep 'em comin

Society of the Cincinnati

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Cincinnati

Jamie....
the HMS Bounty spent a couple of years in the shipyard of Booth Bay Harbor Maine.....

Rick and I saw her 3 times while she was there...... each time we gave a hefty donation for her restoration and came home with numerous souvenirs...... hats, t-shirts, mugs, ect. ect..... we LOVE that ship!

KC has hit on a classic - the hands up of the Repug candidates who don't believe in evolution.

The new Bounty is a bit larger than the original, and a bit more modern as well.

http://www.tallshipbounty.org/the-ship/statistics.php

"Flatus, I know what the Kool-aid context means, but I don't understand what it had to do with Barack Obama's excellent half hour television buy."

ET, absolutely nothing. I wouldn't watch him for two minutes, much less a half hour.

It had to do with the 200,000 foot soldiers in Florida.That's a lot of Kool-Aid.

"...he needs an agent, not a small business."

Joe the Plumber is being represented by the Bobby Roberts Agency in Nashville, managed by singer Aaron Tippin (with hits like "You've Got to Stand For Something or You'll Fall for Anything" -- and his latest "Drill Now")....

After showing the candidates just three points apart yesterday, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll on Thursday returns to the range that has defined the race for over a month. It’s Obama by five, 51% to 46%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Another collage: the charges of racism against the Clinton's, an orchestrated, cascading series concluding with the false presentation of President Clinton's remarks about Jesse Jackson run for president.

The moments of the campaign should be divided into actual moments and media creations.

Headline in New Mexico --

Obama Wins!

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10851708

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166022

patd

That would be good. A montage of the most outrageous gush from supposedly responsible news people. Olbermann on Convention night was particularly fulsome in a slurpy sort of way.

Blondie, Hannity has been calling the 2001 recession the Clinton recession for 7 years now - wonder if this will shut him the hell up?

http://norris.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/consumers-drag-economy-down/?hp

Fat chance - he's too stupid.

Craig
#1
Sept. 15th. The October surprise 2 weeks early.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166050

Flatus I didn't realize you were so closed minded. I am disappointed. I even watch McInsane drool on and on in the debates, even though I didn't like the guy.

I don't know if it's directly related, but does the death of Tim Russert fit into one of those major moments?

"Blondie, I almost hate to say it, but I hope not. I saw one minute of H&C last night, and Hannity was about to blow a gasket - he wouldn't let either of his guests finish a sentence - neither one of them was ranting enough for him. "

True, Pogo. Hannity is probably afraid of the Fairness Doctrine....and the death of right wing talk radio...

ET...perhaps Craig can do a memorial segment...Tubbs would need to be included!

Or maybe the Hall of Shame...Spitzer and Edwards....

Renee,

I will say KO has gotten to the point that Bud? did in Wall Street...he was so consumed with succeeding in his quixotic quest that it changed him...though not irreparably...

Craig,

It seems that many conservatives were impressed with Obama's speech on race and his Iowa acceptance speech so a clip of one would work...if you use the Iowa speech, I beg you to throw in the Howard Dean scream too!

patsi...same on his radio show...panting, raging.

Pogo,

I just read the Fukayama endorsement and I love how he blames Bush for waging an unnecessary war when he was a chief advocate for it...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166059

ET

The event that made the most change in the election was probably the writers' strike that shut down the comedy shows, particularly SNL. Clinton's fortunes turned around and almost stopped Obama with that SNL skit making fun of the media adoration of Obama.

I think one of the moments would have to be the gathering of Donna Brazile and the DNC in Florida to deny Floridians 1/2 vote each for delegate selection. A lesbian friend of mine still refuses to vote Obama because of this, which I think is silly, but that sentiment is out there, though thankfully less than before.

And of course, McCain's pandering to Hillary Clinton supporters and choosing Palin to show he understands women's issues. The fact he chose someone who is the antithesis of Clinton seemed not to matter, nor the fact that she is Bush in drag, but hey, he made a semi-historic decision.

ET, why in the world should I, or, indeed, anybody watch a self-serving infomercial? I'd just as soon watch half an hour on the riddex plus.

Another, bit more detailed, take on the latest economic numbers.

http://norris.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/consumers-drag-economy-down/?hp

Tom -- I think several of us are sick of hearing Obama drop those "g's" in his continuing attempt to relate to the great unwashed God & Gun worshipping bigots.

pogo...I thought you were talking about paper towels for a moment -- new Bounty is a bit larger than the original

Yes Jamie, I totally agree... I was a bit disappointed at the debate where Hillary made reference of maybe Barack needing a pillow. It didn't go down well. I hoped she'd come out grinning and lift up a pillow and give to Obama and say 'well we really do want you to be comfortable'... or something that would have been more light-hearted but still made the point of media bias in the primary

flatus, Riddex works only on their half hour infomericials in my experience. The bugs at Deep Creek Lake seem to love it, as do the WV mice.

blondie, LOL.

craig...one more...the bodacious Rev. Wright.

Bear,
Laughs.....Rats on a sinking ship.....we'll see more of it.....

It may have just been "great minds with a single thought", but I still get a kick when some comment here gets echoed on MSNBC. Last night I called the Obama commercial the "amber waves of grain" speech and Scarborough called it that tomorrow.

That really was a great piece. It had more positive buttons and images than a telethon money pitch. The producers should be proud.

Would Elizabeth Edwards get an HHS appointment?

ET, why in the world should I, or, indeed, anybody watch a self-serving infomercial? I'd just as soon watch half an hour on the riddex plus.

Posted by: Flatus | October 30, 2008 11:28 AM

O c'mon Flatus, since when has any politician's message not had a bit of self-serving aspect to it? Did you refuse to watch the biographical video of Bill Clinton who still believed "in a place called Hope"? You are here to discuss politics but don't even bother to listen to what the guy had to say in the video? All you can do then is make assumptions about what he said. For someone who is quite intellectually I find this quite weak and lazy.

Are you really still that bitter about the nomination?

Can I ask someting probabaly (very) touchy?

I see everyone calling Johny Mac: Mc Failin or McInsane or DOA.
People calling Palin all kind of names.
I remember people calling HRC: Hitlary and so forth..

My question: why is it then not done to call Obama: Osama or by his middle name Hussein?

Is this another double standard?

Just wondering.......

Certainly appreciate the response. I should have included that it was a rhetorical question concerning Craigs Post. Your research, I'm sure, has shown that sometimes the powerful reject the power for nobler ideals.

Out for a bike ride.

excuses for any typos.

pogo -----------------

"I'm done with Gordo and his SO rap."

Expected this. You are UNABLE to effectively respond to :

"OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN"

By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
October 29, 2008

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

So, you give up? Can't knock down what Vieira wrote in that article.
==============
Pogo, you have never understood what Berg is doing. You are not able to stop thinking like a lawyer. Berg knows that the legal system is not favorable to his efforts -- he has known that from the beginning. He knew that people (like you) would ridicule. Can you figure out what Berg is trying to accomplish? It's not complicated.

Animal Control is Ping?

Bear, Fukuyama is like the rest of them - perfectly willing to turn on a dime to avoid looking bad and conveniently forgetting their own pivotal roles in crafting today's disasters. But if McCain can't get the neocons and the red meat repug comentators, he's gonna have a hard time getting enough of those vote things to beat Obama.

Jason,
I think that it's a good representaion of what we can expect for the next few years....you know bipartisan and getting along and all that.....how can any pragmatist not be skeptical when you have a daily view of the staunchest supporters....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166072

ET

That is what she should have done, but I think at that point she was still more than a little hurt over the imbalance of people she thought respected her.

Obama won fair and square even with the provable help of the media simply because of mistakes made by her campaign and the fact that they didn't take advantage of her sense of humor.

Gordo...berg should let the election happen and extort Obama for some hush money. Makes more sense.

"McCain's pandering to Hillary Clinton supporters and choosing Palin to show he understands women's issues. The fact he chose someone who is the antithesis of Clinton seemed not to matter, nor the fact that she is Bush in drag, but hey, he made a semi-historic decision. "

On this I think you are wrong, Tom. Hillary's supporters -- democrats, at least -- were not the support he needed. He need two things: the religious right base and the REP women who had been turned off by the sexism in the media, and turned their votes to Hillary. Those were the women he hoped to attract, and indeed, many of them did come back to the R-side.

Over a week before the choice I told my sister that if McCain really wanted to get his base rallied, he should pick Palin. The religious base was completely lethargic prior to that. People keep saying she cost him the election...that's BS -- without her rallying that base, McCain would have been toast long ago.

Oh GORDO shut it already. You talk to Pogo as if he doesn't have a brain in his head. He is highly educated and is able to see both the forest and the trees. Perhaps you'd like to tell us what you do and what your background is?

Pogo in my Political Economy and Social Change program at Evergreen, we were instructed to read George Will because, even though a conservative, he was considered a highly intellectual political analyst. We all read pieces by members of the left. So while Will is truly a conservative, he does not fall behind a partisan candidate just because of their party, or so it seems to me.

ETom....
that's really not a fair comparison...... I bet you watched those debates to hopefullly see Obama stick it to McCain.....

we watched it because Rick wanted to..... I really liked the way it ended seamlessly into a live statement by Obama in Florida...... but I never for an instance forgot that it was nothing more than an over the top paid for informercial...... promising way more than I think can be accomplished because of a lack of money.....

I also can't stand it when any presidential candidate talks about education and that they will "fix it"...... education is paid for by local communities.... the only thing the federal government has managed to do for it in the last 50 years is give it unfunded mandates.... which has weakened our public schools, IMO.....

ET, understand the difference between refusing to watch and declining to do so. In fact, I decline to watch any such presentation. They add nothing to my ability to differentiate between candidates beyond their ability to squander funds on polemics to their own sagacity.

Yes, I am still that bitter about the nomination; the Democratic process was subverted by a cabal of Chicago neo-thugs.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166088

Blond, spot on ! It's the American way... :)

Patsi interesting analysis! I hadn't really given that aspect any thought. Could it be that it was both -- placating angry Clinton supporters and also revitalizing demoralized religious righters?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166050

Yeah searching the web to back up Palin's absurd claims about what the VP does takes up a lot of time I bet.

Renee,
Couldn't agree more on ed...You could cut the Dept of education by 90% and noone would notice...except for some bureaucrats and lobbyists in DC

You should have the Tina Fey/Palin "Global warming is God hugging us closer", then the rifle pose...

I understand Flatus, but I think it would be worth you watching to hear the stories of struggling Americans. It's really excellent. You have the right to be bitter, but do you feel you garner more by not being open to the message he is offering? I assume you will not vote for him. Do you find McCain a more acceptable candidate to be President? Understand I have been there during this election cycle and seriously considered voting 3rd party and even more seriously, writing in Hillary's name. At the end of the day, I couldn't NOT vote for the Democratic nominee, especially after Hillary's speeches on why people SHOULD support him.

I wish you'd at least watch the first 10 minutes of the video. I'd love to know your reaction....

nominations closing at noon for Most Memorable Moments of 2008 campaign -- get yours in -- thanks to those who played, good stuff here

Obama Ed policy -
Turn off the TV, and read to your kids.

Smart very smart.

Euro,

I'm sure this is how the Republicans saw the video...

Harvester of Sorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTgDKK8Z-E

We are all Leaders Now!
Who will follow?

Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | October 30, 2008 11:04 AM

Smart people will follow. People who care about their country and guiding it safely into the future.

You can do what you like.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166091

I see your point Renee... I will make a confession. The third debate was boring as can be. But I wanted to see demeanor, style and viewpoints and to be honest, i wasn't sure Obama could hold his own against McCain's challenges to him and so it won me over more. If McCain could have gotten out of the classic republican rhetoric which really is about lack of regulations and wealth concentration staying in the top, I could certainly have considered him. Hell, I was so mad in the primary that I said I was going to vote for him.
I just couldn't.

There is one aspect where I would say McCain is better than Obama and that would be crime and punishment. It's one place where I am probably far more conservative than liberal. I am a firm believer of "do the crime, you do the time" and "let the punishment fit the crime". I think the Republicans are much better on demanding these standards be upheld against criminal activity.

21.7% Of Households In Top Local TV Markets Watched Obama Infomercial

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/217-of-households-in-top-local-tv-markets-watched-obama-infomercial/

I think the tearing up of Hillary after the MSM had totally written her off and right before the NH primary was a defining moment. Also the whole issue of racism and sexism permeating the race. Those both have to be major issues.

Then there is the total economic meltdown which has highly enhanced Obama's position in the election.

The campaign that would never die... despite DEM leaders demanding Hillary quit.

Women fainting at Obama rallies? :D

TINA FEY, Saturday Night Live and Amy Poehler...

That's all my nominations...

and Craig's excellent daily analyses here and on television... (and radio?).

Oh yeah, the case of the Crawford hair controversy. Did he, or didn't he? Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

:-)

I am over participating today, sorry gang... I am soon outta here. I just wanted to say one more thing. I am rather disappointed that only 21.7% of the households watched Barack's video.

Have to go... bye all

Tom: re viewing the Obama spot live: plz don't forget about youtube. Many more will see it over the next few days.

ok..... let's see if I can make it under the wire.....

since a lot of focus is on the great state of Alaska at the moment.....

how about any one clip of Gravel's numerous funny quips during the Democratic primary debates....... some of them were priceless!......

if you decide to use one..... you and Andrew pick your favorite...

Gordo, Viera is a bright guy - and his arguments are compelling - they just don't comport with the law. He may legitimately disagree with the law of standing, which in the end killed Berg's suit, but calling the decision hogwash doesn't change the fact that it is bsed on the judge's reading of that law, and the judge is the one who wears that black robe. If Viera's opinions are correct, the Circuit court will agree with him and reverse the Berg dismissal. Viera would likely have been a much better advocate for your cause and would have stood a much better chance of success in the case. Plus, he's in the 4th Circuit, which is a remarkably conservitive circuit.

You kill me, you accuse me of failing to suspend thinking like a lawyer, then throw an article by a lawyer at me, phrased in legalthink throughout, and accuse me of being unable to respond to that article although I haven't seen it until now. I'm not through with the issue - I'm through with your extralegal parsing of an issue that is legal to its core. I don't have the time to do a point by point refutation of Viera's points, but I will say that the major legal argument he makes is pretty poor analysis because it assumes without demonstrating that contrary to the finding of the judge, that the issue of Obama's citizenship has been seriously questioned sufficiently to shift the burden to Obama - and uses burden shifiting legal principles that on their face do not apply to a candidate for office.

And FWIW, I would actually like to see Obama lay the issue to rest, but I disagree that the issue of his standing to constitutionally hold the office has been suffieiciently raised to shift the burden as Viera asserts, if the case is reversed and remanded to proceed on the merits, but then there are always at least 2 sides to every legal issue, and at least one side is always wrong.

lunch

Tomorrow, according to sources, Al and Tipper Gore will be stumping for Obama in West Palm and Ft. Lauderdale. It's the first time he's campaigned in Florida for president since 2000. While he's campaigned in the Sunshine State since 2000, he's not done so for a presidential candidate since he himself was running.

Obama's hero is Micheal Jordan, one thing Jordan did was "bring it in the 4th quarter". This is bringing it in the 4th quarter.

"Could it be that it was both -- placating angry Clinton supporters and also revitalizing demoralized religious righters?"

Tom -- I doubt they ever thought that hard line Democratic women would vote for McCain because of Palin.

But I can name you five women just in my acquaintence who either were indies or Republicans who had planned on not voting until Palin came along. AND all those women, every single one, decided AFTER the BS about Palin's pregnant daughter.

And just an aside, some of the black feminists I know were the most angered over Palin's initial treatment about an unwed pregnant daughter. They have felt the ugly comments about unwed mothers more than any other group. (These women voted Obama, that's not my point...just shows you, though that you can despise someone's politics and still see an ugly side to the discourse.)

Craig really stirred up something. Even with my conversion to an Obama supporter and with the admission that Clinton's campaign was flawed in many respects, I am surprise at just how angry I still am at the various members of the media. That all white, NO GIRLZ BOYZ ONLY club of misogynistic rats really pissed me off.

Matthews at least has had the good grace to admit he might have been in error. I never again will watch Olbermann with the same respect after that "commentary" he did about HIllary. I have gone back to watching him when something interesting seems possible, but otherwise it is now Campbell Brown.

Have a good evening everyone!

"...every single one, decided AFTER the BS about Palin's pregnant daughter. "

Good for them. Gestures, even hollow ones, are important.

Jamie...please remember, Matthews also grabbed Ellen's breast while dancing with her on her show. He appears to be a sexually confused man.

Rejecting Fred Hiatt's post partisan unity plea
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/29/AR2008102903545.html

"This is the Post Partisan Unity Schtick. And it leads to, at best, nothing but adoption of Republicanism on a smaller scale. It leads to the Iraq Debacle, the disastrous Bush economic policy and so on. We tried it their way for the past 8 years. Any right thinking progressive must reject this. Of course, if you do not have actual views on issues, then this is just right for you. Some will think you are reasonable. I find the view ignorant and stupid."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/30/111054/17

The chimney repairers are just finishing. Mom has been watching
Obama speak on CNN or MSNBC.

I am listening to my mom praise Obama to the chimney guy, telling him
about Obama's wonderful parents and grandparents and how well spoken
and well educated and intelligent he is. (They seem to be having a
good conversation, although I cannot hear him. But sounds like he's
interested and has not shut her down.)

This from my mother, who told me 2-3 months ago that she was not
going to vote for president, at all, and was yelling at the TV
anytime Obama appeared. She was a Hillary supporter and hated that
Obama won the primaries.

She says my aunt in Indiana will never vote for a black person, and
so she does not ask this aunt about politics. I am wondering what we
might hear from this aunt after the election.

This picture is just too telling via A. Sullivan -

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/30/image001.jpg

Palin's speech at the convention was the best....it did get my attention, but she is no Hillary Clinton. A successful evangelical, not a successful woman. There is a difference and the more exposure she got, the more apparent the difference became. She didn't satisfy the dem hunger for woman...and quite frankly, upset many a stomach. I chose anorexia over a diet of Palin.

Bonde,

I don't think that grope was intentional. He doesn't have O'Reilley's reputation for that sort of thing. At least he has the good grace to be a bit ashamed of himself when it is pointed out where he crossed the line. The apology may fall a little shy of genuine, but at least he makes one.

"Smart people will follow. People who care about their country and guiding it safely into the future."

Typical Repuclican group-think cheerleading. Love it or leave it.

Jamie....
I've been watching Campbell Brown lately also.....

and I feel exactly the same way..... although I will lie to pollsters..... I've never been rude to anyone calling on behalf of any candidate.... except one.....

a young man called about a month ago advocating for Obama..... I chose to read him the riot act concerning women's feelings about the candidate and the DNC over the primary with Hillary..... I wanted him to understand how mad it made some of us with the hope that he would be one male who'd stop and think before opening his mouth about women....

then I remembered it's hard to persuade someone with anger and I softened and told him I would vote for Obama and thanked him for his volunteer work....
he thanked me and said he'd think about what I'd said.....

well.... I've wasted the whole morning playing on this machine.....
time for me to get at least some work done today......

"Matthews also grabbed Ellen's breast while dancing with her on her show. He appears to be a sexually confused man."

No kidding, Blonde -- and remember how he got that thrill in his pants listening to Obama....he's seriously confused!

Posted by: dog's eye view | October 30, 2008 11:50 AM

blistersyeahbutchannel appreciates your readership but not the lifting of quotes out of context.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166040

If you are the one you've been waiting for -following along behind yourself shouldn't be a problem -much like a dog chasing his tail.

Patsi: do you not think so? It seems the primary voters chose Obama (we can solve problems together) over Clinton (I can solve your problems for you).

the moment Obama flipped the African American vote

The Intrade Presidential Futures Market Race by State tightened again this week, with just five days until the election. With Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, and Nevada still up for grabs, Barak Obama still does not have a lock on the election. However, traditionally-Republican states have begun to soften. Georgia, North & South Dakota, and Montana -- all states that are typically solid Republican strongholds -- have drifted from solid Republican predictors to "too close to call."

This may be bad news for John McCain, but the trends so far don't suggest an Obama "mandate" like some have previously predicted. As the vast majority of voters traditionally decide their Presidential choice no later than three days prior to the election, we should know something more definitive Sunday morning. As an early read from the campaigns, watch for John McCain to start touting down-ticket races as a sign they believe they have lost. On the Democratic side, watch for the Obama campaign to start adding additional campaign stops, especially in Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, or Florida if they think the race is going to be close.

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166111

yeah, sure, right.

"some of the black feminists I know were the most angered over Palin's initial treatment about an unwed pregnant daughter. They have felt the ugly comments about unwed mothers more than any other group."

And i won't even bother to point out what's so awful about that statement, I think it's fairly obvious.

" It seems the primary voters chose Obama (we can solve problems together) over Clinton (I can solve your problems for you)."

Actually, he did not win the popular vote, dog. But aside from that, you have twisted both candidates' messages into simplistic rhetoric.

Anon --"Tomorrow, according to sources, Al and Tipper Gore will be stumping for Obama in West Palm and Ft. Lauderdale."

I wonder if they will introduce him as the "former next President of the United States."

We shall see what happens these next four years. We'll see if just electing this man makes the world, including the Middle East, love us. We'll see if we are out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We'll see if there is much "change" in health care, decent education for all. And we'll see if the new Joshua has delivered us from evil.

Having said that -- I think it will depend on what money has been behind him all along, and what they decide to do.

Campaign turning point moments to remember:

1. The juxtaposition of Senator Obama giving his speech in Berlin while Senator McCain was upstaged by someone knocking over a display behind him in a grocery store. This was a defining moment, as one was presidential and one was pathetic.

2. Senator McCain's assertion that the fundamentals of the economy were strong, proving to most folks that he was out of touch.

3. Senator McCain's wondering around the platform at the second debate, looking demented.

""some of the black feminists I know were the most angered over Palin's initial treatment about an unwed pregnant daughter. They have felt the ugly comments about unwed mothers more than any other group."

And i won't even bother to point out what's so awful about that statement, I think it's fairly obvious. "

Brian, you are not merely stupid, but spectacularly moronic.

Yes, we can vs. Yes, she can. And people did chant the "she can" at several rallies.

World of difference there to me.

What am I misremembering, Patsi?

I think the most important thing that happened during the entire campaign is when Republicans realized they had no candidate to offer so they might as well let McCain take the fall.

Wrong Patsi,

I think republicans happened to see that this was a lost during the primaries and they sacrificed John so that Mitt Ronney could go after 4 years of the yes-we-can chant ....
They only made one miscalculation: Sarah Palin..... They dodn´t know John would choose her and she would be the new face of the repugs.....

To be Continued

Damn, I´m still here.....

Wrong Patsi,

I think republicans happened to see that this was a lost during the primaries and they sacrificed John so that Mitt Ronney could go after 4 years of the yes-we-can chant ....
They only made one miscalculation: Sarah Palin..... They didn´t know John would choose her and she would be the new face of the repugs.....

To be Continued

Damn, I´m still here.....

Maybe you are misremembering that Obama's campaign was launched on the quasi-religious premise that he was the new Joshua, set to lead the masses to the Promise Land.

The fact that those who didn't worship at the alter are considered less American than the acolytes is, however, quite disturbing. Religious right fundies to the right of me, Obama-worshiping fundies to the left.

Obama will most assuredly be better than John McCain or any other Republican. But he better hit the ground running. 'Cause he's sure sold himself as America's Savior.

Obama Beating McCain on Voter Outreach
Majority of swing-state voters have heard from Obama’s campaign

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111625/Obama-Beating-McCain-Voter-Outreach.aspx

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1001/campaign-media

Pew says "Poor John McCain, the media really does hate him."

Interesting point, Jason. It will be fascinating to see the right and moderate wings of the Republican party battle for control.

Maybe you are misremembering that Obama's campaign was launched on the quasi-religious premise that he was the new Joshua, set to lead the masses to the Promise Land.

The fact that those who didn't worship at the alter are considered less American than the acolytes is, however, quite disturbing. Religious right fundies to the right of me, Obama-worshiping fundies to the left.

Obama will most assuredly be better than John McCain or any other Republican. But he better hit the ground running. 'Cause he's sure sold himself as America's Savior.

Posted by: Patsi | October 30, 2008 12:50 PM

To quote Queen Oprah: " He´s the One". " I can feel..he´s the one".....

Sad!...So sad!

Patsi,
I know that I considered it lost before the primary ever got here to Texas. I'm a serious fiscal conservative and quickly found myself on the outisde looking in with both parties.....problem is I don't see anyone in either party picking up the fiscal banner anytime soon

Patsi: you've worn your Joshua meme into the ground.

And enough with the leftist fundies. If he was running again, I would be voting for Barack Obama AND John Warner for Virginia senate. And would have a lot of company.

The only people I ever hear talk about "Messiah" and "Savior" are Obama detractors.

Ciao for now. Going to go early vote. Taking a book -- line can be long.

pogo ---------------

SoetorObama has a "hidden" past. Why not just show everyone the certified documents that prove he is Constitutionally qualified for POTUS? Because those documents (or lack of) would prove that he has been living a lie for more than 30 years. He refuses to voluntarily show the American people something as basic as a certified hardcopy BC. Do you know enough about his past to understand why he must keep the documents (those that exist) secret? The revealed TRUTH would be devastating!

He is probably an "illegal" who has has been using an illegal name (BHO) for about 30 years. I know that seems fantastic -- beyond belief. Connect the dots.

How can you be a serious fiscal conservative and vote for the repugs? Talk about not making sense.

Craig- How about the incredulous moment when the media, JJ. Jr. and some other players made Bill Clinton out to be a racist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27456138/

When both plans look bad my only real choice is to vote for gridlock.....Looks like that plan will not play out well either.....Laughs

The only people I ever hear talk about "Messiah" and "Savior" are Obama detractors.

Ciao for now. Going to go early vote. Taking a book -- line can be long.

Posted by: dog's eye view | October 30, 2008 12:58 PM

Stay good DEV and have a good vote!
But I do not agree with you, you know how many people see him as their saviour.
Come on DEV... The good thing is: he WILL win. the bad thing is: People will probably be outraged when he doesn´t cater to their needs, and most importantly the AA´s will be devestated...And that is my main concern.

can someone please send me home......

Patsi and others....

Exhibit A:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/30/win-lose-palin-going-away/

Gallup Daily: Obama Lead Among Likely Voters 5 to 7 Points
Now up 50% to 45% in traditional model

PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama holds a statistically significant lead over John McCain in both Gallup likely voter models, according to Oct. 27-29 Gallup Poll Daily tracking. In the traditional model, which defines likely voters based on current voting intention and past voting behavior, Obama holds a 50% to 45% lead. In the expanded model, in which only current voting intentions are considered, his lead is 51% to 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111658/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Lead-Among-Likely-Voters-Points.aspx

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166131

No Brian. It isn't obvious. I understand exactly what Patsi meant and I've heard similar statements from black women myself, usually from the grandmothers that are trying to help straighten out a daughter's life and help with the grandchildren. There is a matriarchy in a large percentage of the black community and they have heard insults such as the ones thrown at Palin. They don't have to like her to understand her and resent outsiders butting in to their business.

There are some women who have done a rather fine job this year Maddow, Couric, and now Campbell Brown :

"The information in this ad is so ridiculously misleading, and yet Senator Dole is standing by it and continuing to raise questions about Hagan's so-called godlessness on the campaign trail," Brown said. "Is this really what it has come down to? We are fighting two wars, our economy is a disaster, and Senator Dole's message to voters is to falsely accuse her opponent of not believing in God?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/campbell-brown-rips-doles_n_139197.html

The "shafts of grain" shot in the Obama infomercial reminded me of similar images in "Dances With Wolves."

In that movie, the viewer was coaxed into being proud of John Dunbar (Kevin Costner) and ashamed of the soldiers (Charles Rocket, et.al.) and, by extension, the U.S. government's policy toward Native Americans.

Maybe those who were angered by Mrs. Obama's "first time I'm proud of America" moment had an epiphany of sorts if they made the same connection, recalling John Dunbar's inclination to meet with/understand Kicking Bird (Graham Greene) and seeing Senator Obama as one willing to learn and be inclusive, while identifying Mr. Bush and Senator McCain as reactionary relics.

GORDO,

Considering the presumption of innocence and the burden on the petitioner to prove a case, you should have to prove its fake, not Obama proving that it's not, especially if he has already met the burdens to be listed on every states primary and general election ballots.

Sen. Bond Warns Palin Crowd That Obama Wants Judges Who Empathize With “The Gay”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/30/politics/fromtheroad/entry4558204.shtml?tag=rightRail;rightRailInner

All the daily tracking polls are snapping back , and McCain is still frozen around 43.

This is interesting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/study-nbc-news-doesnt-fol_n_139162.html