Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PHi-Eihzhk

Craig.... I hate it when you change the subject whenever we're having a good conversation....

and just for you I'll mention a word or two about your topic......

Clinton....... Obama...... :0)

Me, too, Renee. Now I feel compelled to repost my last 2. Here's one.

OSH - I'm done with Gordo and his SO rap. Of course Berg's on the steps of the SCOTUS - you don't think they''d let him in the building do you? Be interesting to see who's there to hear him other than the school kids standing in line to see their 3 minutes of whatever argument is taking place when they fle into the gallery.

McCain has lost Joe the Plumber !

Here''s the other.

I saw a repeat of the end of this interview between Shepard Smith and Joe the Plumber and almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/foxs-shepard-smith-forced_n_138674.html

JTP - avatar of the McCain camp - strong opinions about things he's almost completely uninformed about - and doesn't even know what his candidate's position on the issue is while he's on his "Maybe I'm A Foreign Policy Expert, But Anyway, You Should Go Out And Get Your Own Opinions On Things Instead Of Listening To Mine, Even Though I'm Going To Keep Opining If You Give Me Half A Chance, And Anyway, I Don't Even Really Know What John McCain's Position Is On Anything Anyway, And Probably I Should Be Snaking A Sink Trap Or Something, Instead Of Dragging Myself All Over The Country Making Statements Which I Then Sort Of Disavow A Few Minutes Later Anyway, Who Knows?" Tour of 2008!"

Oh, and on your new topic, Craig - Obama may be many things, but he's apparently not a fool. Something tellsme he won't need those unlimited minutes to talk with Bill after January.

Anon - he's lost his support or he just can't find him?

McCain is feeding his "honor" into a wood chipper in Ohio as I type.
Ping must have written the speech he's using that word again "fundamental".

hey all, me and andrew making a video today of the FIVE MOST MEMORABLE MOMENTS in this election, including the primaries --- your suggestions are most welcome . . .

Joe the Plumber is getting a advertising gig as the NEW Mr. Clean...he needs an agent, not a small business.

I liked Clinton last night...his talk of the oil companies, price of gas, etc. Exxon made over $14 billion last quarter! Drill, baby, drill...they sure have done a great job in screwing us all!

Reposting-
Anon- love the Clancy brothers. We'll be cranking them up and hoisting our Guinness tomorrow night!

Pogo- you're right, it will be interesting to see who and if anybody shows.

Oh good god, Ping and the "fundamentals" of our economy. I think if we just took the "funda" out of the equation it would be more accurate!

Rule 25 in Craig Crawford's The Politics of Life:
"The Powerful Never Give Up Control - It Must Be Taken Away"

That's why Obama's got 200,000 people on the ground in Fla.

The Tim Russert attack on Clinton over the driver's licenses for undocumented workers -where all the other candidates (sic) jumped on her.

Is Joe the Plumber really going to be the new Mr. Clean? If that's so, Procter and Gamble products will no longer be purchased by me.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-cash-lead-produces-a-bi.html#comment-165913

Flatus, I know what the Kool-aid context means, but I don't understand what it had to do with Barack Obama's excellent half hour television buy.

"The Powerful Never Give Up Control - It Must Be Taken Away"

What ever happened to "The Society of the Cincinnati?"

Oops, wonder if Hannity has seen this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/francis-fukuyama-endorses_n_139139.html

Fukuyama endorses Obama.

or this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/29/AR2008102903199.html?nav=hcmodule

Will continues his crticism of McCain.

Some people consider these guys to mean something in conservative circles.

ET

I fabricated the advertising gig...but he sure does look like Mr. Clean and I am surprised an ad agency hasn't noticed that...

craig, how about the revenge of the polls? msnbc when the nh results came in....
or the tweety leg tingle?

Question, has there been any gauging of Obama support since his biographical 1/2 hour program was broadcast? I sense that his numbers would have to go up; it was THAT good.

And to Craig, I would say the moment it became clear that Obama had no serious intention of even considering Hillary Clinton to be his running mate as one of those moments, maybe not the 5 most memorable, but still... why not make it the 50 the most memorable??? :D

Craig, obviously the JTP moment between Obama and Joe is No. 1 on the list.

Pogo...listening to Hannity these days is really comic fun...he better get that blood pressure under control.

Ooh, ooh, pat is right about the Tweety leg tingle moment.

Rudee and the phone calls -especially the NRA

The moronic parsing of the Hucksterbee Christmas ad

The naming of Sarah Palin (my pick in the CQ vp derby)

All this talk about sailing ships and whales brings to mind a recent discovery. For a blog article I was researching the HMS Bounty. If you are feeling particularly adventurous, you too can sail aboard this famous ship for one day or for a whole cruise to the mutineers destination of Pitcairn

http://www.tallshipbounty.org/sail-bounty/passages.php

Bon Voyage

In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. polls released this morning, Obama leads 52 percent to 45 percent among likely voters in Nevada, 52 to 46 percent in North Carolina, 51 percent to 47 percent in Ohio, and 55 percent to 43 percent in Pennsylvania.
In Arizona, McCain leads 53 percent to 46 percent.
The surveys were conducted Oct. 23-28 and have margins of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points in Arizona, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and 4 percentage points in Nevada and North Carolina.

Blondie, I almost hate to say it, but I hope not. I saw one minute of H&C last night, and Hannity was about to blow a gasket - he wouldn't let either of his guests finish a sentence - neither one of them was ranting enough for him. He has become an absolute joke. He's really just a parody of himself now. I can't believe that anyone with more than half a brain takes anything he says seriously.

CC
The Clinton driver's license question.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166009

Never has one person done so much to turn "friends" and "fight" into dirty words. There is emphasis. There is repetition for effect. Then there is blood from the ears of your listeners every time you open your mouth.

craig....if you can make room for a sixth moment...Jessie Jackson and the hand motion of robbing Mr. Obama of his family jewels.

CC
Lieberman whispering into McCain's ear to correct his misstatements aobut the different factions in Iraq.

Craig,

The Hillary Clinton "tears" speech that almost turned the tide for her. Just so once and for all people can be reminded that she was tearing up in sadness for what has been done to America not crying for herself.

I gave up watching MSNBC (except when Craig is on) a looooong time ago....

patd is onto something........ I remember people posting here about the abject look of shock on both Olbermann's and Matthews' faces as the NH primary results came in.....

and Craig..... you and Andrew do a fabulous job with the videos..... KUDOS!

Given the how long this thing has been , you guys might want to go for a Top Ten.

"We are the ones we've been waiting for," Obama said. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you."

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

We are all Leaders Now!
Who will follow?

I wish I could say it's good to see that not everyone is hurting as theeconomy slows...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR2008103001401.html?hpid=topnews

... but I somehow just can't bring myself to find any joy in seeing Exxon acheive record profits as the economy tanks.

A collage of Republican primary moments - "who let the dogs out" ; who doesn't believe in evolution; who wants to crawl into the Reagan crypt,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166018

AC

For well over 200 years one President has stepped down and "returned to the farm" while another peacefully assumed the job. They might not have wanted to depart, but they did without revolution or riot. Not bad. Not bad at all. Cincinnatus would proably approve.

This kind of puts the Exxon profits picture in context:

"The third quarter results also included a $170 million charge to cover a punitive damages award from the oil spill that took place when the oil tanker Exxon Valdez ran aground in Alaska in March 1989. The set aside for the hotly contested damage award is barely more than 1 percent of the company's profits this quarter. Exxon has set aside $460 million for the Valdez damages so far this year."

good stuff for the Memorable Moments list, keep 'em comin

Society of the Cincinnati

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Cincinnati

Jamie....
the HMS Bounty spent a couple of years in the shipyard of Booth Bay Harbor Maine.....

Rick and I saw her 3 times while she was there...... each time we gave a hefty donation for her restoration and came home with numerous souvenirs...... hats, t-shirts, mugs, ect. ect..... we LOVE that ship!

KC has hit on a classic - the hands up of the Repug candidates who don't believe in evolution.

The new Bounty is a bit larger than the original, and a bit more modern as well.

http://www.tallshipbounty.org/the-ship/statistics.php

"Flatus, I know what the Kool-aid context means, but I don't understand what it had to do with Barack Obama's excellent half hour television buy."

ET, absolutely nothing. I wouldn't watch him for two minutes, much less a half hour.

It had to do with the 200,000 foot soldiers in Florida.That's a lot of Kool-Aid.

"...he needs an agent, not a small business."

Joe the Plumber is being represented by the Bobby Roberts Agency in Nashville, managed by singer Aaron Tippin (with hits like "You've Got to Stand For Something or You'll Fall for Anything" -- and his latest "Drill Now")....

After showing the candidates just three points apart yesterday, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll on Thursday returns to the range that has defined the race for over a month. It’s Obama by five, 51% to 46%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Another collage: the charges of racism against the Clinton's, an orchestrated, cascading series concluding with the false presentation of President Clinton's remarks about Jesse Jackson run for president.

The moments of the campaign should be divided into actual moments and media creations.

Headline in New Mexico --

Obama Wins!

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10851708

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166022

patd

That would be good. A montage of the most outrageous gush from supposedly responsible news people. Olbermann on Convention night was particularly fulsome in a slurpy sort of way.

Blondie, Hannity has been calling the 2001 recession the Clinton recession for 7 years now - wonder if this will shut him the hell up?

http://norris.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/consumers-drag-economy-down/?hp

Fat chance - he's too stupid.

Craig
#1
Sept. 15th. The October surprise 2 weeks early.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166050

Flatus I didn't realize you were so closed minded. I am disappointed. I even watch McInsane drool on and on in the debates, even though I didn't like the guy.

I don't know if it's directly related, but does the death of Tim Russert fit into one of those major moments?

"Blondie, I almost hate to say it, but I hope not. I saw one minute of H&C last night, and Hannity was about to blow a gasket - he wouldn't let either of his guests finish a sentence - neither one of them was ranting enough for him. "

True, Pogo. Hannity is probably afraid of the Fairness Doctrine....and the death of right wing talk radio...

ET...perhaps Craig can do a memorial segment...Tubbs would need to be included!

Or maybe the Hall of Shame...Spitzer and Edwards....

Renee,

I will say KO has gotten to the point that Bud? did in Wall Street...he was so consumed with succeeding in his quixotic quest that it changed him...though not irreparably...

Craig,

It seems that many conservatives were impressed with Obama's speech on race and his Iowa acceptance speech so a clip of one would work...if you use the Iowa speech, I beg you to throw in the Howard Dean scream too!

patsi...same on his radio show...panting, raging.

Pogo,

I just read the Fukayama endorsement and I love how he blames Bush for waging an unnecessary war when he was a chief advocate for it...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166059

ET

The event that made the most change in the election was probably the writers' strike that shut down the comedy shows, particularly SNL. Clinton's fortunes turned around and almost stopped Obama with that SNL skit making fun of the media adoration of Obama.

I think one of the moments would have to be the gathering of Donna Brazile and the DNC in Florida to deny Floridians 1/2 vote each for delegate selection. A lesbian friend of mine still refuses to vote Obama because of this, which I think is silly, but that sentiment is out there, though thankfully less than before.

And of course, McCain's pandering to Hillary Clinton supporters and choosing Palin to show he understands women's issues. The fact he chose someone who is the antithesis of Clinton seemed not to matter, nor the fact that she is Bush in drag, but hey, he made a semi-historic decision.

ET, why in the world should I, or, indeed, anybody watch a self-serving infomercial? I'd just as soon watch half an hour on the riddex plus.

Another, bit more detailed, take on the latest economic numbers.

http://norris.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/consumers-drag-economy-down/?hp

Tom -- I think several of us are sick of hearing Obama drop those "g's" in his continuing attempt to relate to the great unwashed God & Gun worshipping bigots.

pogo...I thought you were talking about paper towels for a moment -- new Bounty is a bit larger than the original

Yes Jamie, I totally agree... I was a bit disappointed at the debate where Hillary made reference of maybe Barack needing a pillow. It didn't go down well. I hoped she'd come out grinning and lift up a pillow and give to Obama and say 'well we really do want you to be comfortable'... or something that would have been more light-hearted but still made the point of media bias in the primary

flatus, Riddex works only on their half hour infomericials in my experience. The bugs at Deep Creek Lake seem to love it, as do the WV mice.

blondie, LOL.

craig...one more...the bodacious Rev. Wright.

Bear,
Laughs.....Rats on a sinking ship.....we'll see more of it.....

It may have just been "great minds with a single thought", but I still get a kick when some comment here gets echoed on MSNBC. Last night I called the Obama commercial the "amber waves of grain" speech and Scarborough called it that tomorrow.

That really was a great piece. It had more positive buttons and images than a telethon money pitch. The producers should be proud.

Would Elizabeth Edwards get an HHS appointment?

ET, why in the world should I, or, indeed, anybody watch a self-serving infomercial? I'd just as soon watch half an hour on the riddex plus.

Posted by: Flatus | October 30, 2008 11:28 AM

O c'mon Flatus, since when has any politician's message not had a bit of self-serving aspect to it? Did you refuse to watch the biographical video of Bill Clinton who still believed "in a place called Hope"? You are here to discuss politics but don't even bother to listen to what the guy had to say in the video? All you can do then is make assumptions about what he said. For someone who is quite intellectually I find this quite weak and lazy.

Are you really still that bitter about the nomination?

Can I ask someting probabaly (very) touchy?

I see everyone calling Johny Mac: Mc Failin or McInsane or DOA.
People calling Palin all kind of names.
I remember people calling HRC: Hitlary and so forth..

My question: why is it then not done to call Obama: Osama or by his middle name Hussein?

Is this another double standard?

Just wondering.......

Certainly appreciate the response. I should have included that it was a rhetorical question concerning Craigs Post. Your research, I'm sure, has shown that sometimes the powerful reject the power for nobler ideals.

Out for a bike ride.

excuses for any typos.

pogo -----------------

"I'm done with Gordo and his SO rap."

Expected this. You are UNABLE to effectively respond to :

"OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN"

By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
October 29, 2008

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

So, you give up? Can't knock down what Vieira wrote in that article.
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Pogo, you have never understood what Berg is doing. You are not able to stop thinking like a lawyer. Berg knows that the legal system is not favorable to his efforts -- he has known that from the beginning. He knew that people (like you) would ridicule. Can you figure out what Berg is trying to accomplish? It's not complicated.

Animal Control is Ping?

Bear, Fukuyama is like the rest of them - perfectly willing to turn on a dime to avoid looking bad and conveniently forgetting their own pivotal roles in crafting today's disasters. But if McCain can't get the neocons and the red meat repug comentators, he's gonna have a hard time getting enough of those vote things to beat Obama.

Jason,
I think that it's a good representaion of what we can expect for the next few years....you know bipartisan and getting along and all that.....how can any pragmatist not be skeptical when you have a daily view of the staunchest supporters....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166072

ET

That is what she should have done, but I think at that point she was still more than a little hurt over the imbalance of people she thought respected her.

Obama won fair and square even with the provable help of the media simply because of mistakes made by her campaign and the fact that they didn't take advantage of her sense of humor.

Gordo...berg should let the election happen and extort Obama for some hush money. Makes more sense.

"McCain's pandering to Hillary Clinton supporters and choosing Palin to show he understands women's issues. The fact he chose someone who is the antithesis of Clinton seemed not to matter, nor the fact that she is Bush in drag, but hey, he made a semi-historic decision. "

On this I think you are wrong, Tom. Hillary's supporters -- democrats, at least -- were not the support he needed. He need two things: the religious right base and the REP women who had been turned off by the sexism in the media, and turned their votes to Hillary. Those were the women he hoped to attract, and indeed, many of them did come back to the R-side.

Over a week before the choice I told my sister that if McCain really wanted to get his base rallied, he should pick Palin. The religious base was completely lethargic prior to that. People keep saying she cost him the election...that's BS -- without her rallying that base, McCain would have been toast long ago.

Oh GORDO shut it already. You talk to Pogo as if he doesn't have a brain in his head. He is highly educated and is able to see both the forest and the trees. Perhaps you'd like to tell us what you do and what your background is?

Pogo in my Political Economy and Social Change program at Evergreen, we were instructed to read George Will because, even though a conservative, he was considered a highly intellectual political analyst. We all read pieces by members of the left. So while Will is truly a conservative, he does not fall behind a partisan candidate just because of their party, or so it seems to me.

ETom....
that's really not a fair comparison...... I bet you watched those debates to hopefullly see Obama stick it to McCain.....

we watched it because Rick wanted to..... I really liked the way it ended seamlessly into a live statement by Obama in Florida...... but I never for an instance forgot that it was nothing more than an over the top paid for informercial...... promising way more than I think can be accomplished because of a lack of money.....

I also can't stand it when any presidential candidate talks about education and that they will "fix it"...... education is paid for by local communities.... the only thing the federal government has managed to do for it in the last 50 years is give it unfunded mandates.... which has weakened our public schools, IMO.....

ET, understand the difference between refusing to watch and declining to do so. In fact, I decline to watch any such presentation. They add nothing to my ability to differentiate between candidates beyond their ability to squander funds on polemics to their own sagacity.

Yes, I am still that bitter about the nomination; the Democratic process was subverted by a cabal of Chicago neo-thugs.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166088

Blond, spot on ! It's the American way... :)

Patsi interesting analysis! I hadn't really given that aspect any thought. Could it be that it was both -- placating angry Clinton supporters and also revitalizing demoralized religious righters?

Renee,
Couldn't agree more on ed...You could cut the Dept of education by 90% and noone would notice...except for some bureaucrats and lobbyists in DC

You should have the Tina Fey/Palin "Global warming is God hugging us closer", then the rifle pose...

I understand Flatus, but I think it would be worth you watching to hear the stories of struggling Americans. It's really excellent. You have the right to be bitter, but do you feel you garner more by not being open to the message he is offering? I assume you will not vote for him. Do you find McCain a more acceptable candidate to be President? Understand I have been there during this election cycle and seriously considered voting 3rd party and even more seriously, writing in Hillary's name. At the end of the day, I couldn't NOT vote for the Democratic nominee, especially after Hillary's speeches on why people SHOULD support him.

I wish you'd at least watch the first 10 minutes of the video. I'd love to know your reaction....

nominations closing at noon for Most Memorable Moments of 2008 campaign -- get yours in -- thanks to those who played, good stuff here

Obama Ed policy -
Turn off the TV, and read to your kids.

Smart very smart.

Euro,

I'm sure this is how the Republicans saw the video...

Harvester of Sorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTgDKK8Z-E

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166091

I see your point Renee... I will make a confession. The third debate was boring as can be. But I wanted to see demeanor, style and viewpoints and to be honest, i wasn't sure Obama could hold his own against McCain's challenges to him and so it won me over more. If McCain could have gotten out of the classic republican rhetoric which really is about lack of regulations and wealth concentration staying in the top, I could certainly have considered him. Hell, I was so mad in the primary that I said I was going to vote for him.
I just couldn't.

There is one aspect where I would say McCain is better than Obama and that would be crime and punishment. It's one place where I am probably far more conservative than liberal. I am a firm believer of "do the crime, you do the time" and "let the punishment fit the crime". I think the Republicans are much better on demanding these standards be upheld against criminal activity.

21.7% Of Households In Top Local TV Markets Watched Obama Infomercial

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/217-of-households-in-top-local-tv-markets-watched-obama-infomercial/

I think the tearing up of Hillary after the MSM had totally written her off and right before the NH primary was a defining moment. Also the whole issue of racism and sexism permeating the race. Those both have to be major issues.

Then there is the total economic meltdown which has highly enhanced Obama's position in the election.

The campaign that would never die... despite DEM leaders demanding Hillary quit.

Women fainting at Obama rallies? :D

TINA FEY, Saturday Night Live and Amy Poehler...

That's all my nominations...

and Craig's excellent daily analyses here and on television... (and radio?).

Oh yeah, the case of the Crawford hair controversy. Did he, or didn't he? Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

:-)

I am over participating today, sorry gang... I am soon outta here. I just wanted to say one more thing. I am rather disappointed that only 21.7% of the households watched Barack's video.

Have to go... bye all

ok..... let's see if I can make it under the wire.....

since a lot of focus is on the great state of Alaska at the moment.....

how about any one clip of Gravel's numerous funny quips during the Democratic primary debates....... some of them were priceless!......

if you decide to use one..... you and Andrew pick your favorite...

Gordo, Viera is a bright guy - and his arguments are compelling - they just don't comport with the law. He may legitimately disagree with the law of standing, which in the end killed Berg's suit, but calling the decision hogwash doesn't change the fact that it is bsed on the judge's reading of that law, and the judge is the one who wears that black robe. If Viera's opinions are correct, the Circuit court will agree with him and reverse the Berg dismissal. Viera would likely have been a much better advocate for your cause and would have stood a much better chance of success in the case. Plus, he's in the 4th Circuit, which is a remarkably conservitive circuit.

You kill me, you accuse me of failing to suspend thinking like a lawyer, then throw an article by a lawyer at me, phrased in legalthink throughout, and accuse me of being unable to respond to that article although I haven't seen it until now. I'm not through with the issue - I'm through with your extralegal parsing of an issue that is legal to its core. I don't have the time to do a point by point refutation of Viera's points, but I will say that the major legal argument he makes is pretty poor analysis because it assumes without demonstrating that contrary to the finding of the judge, that the issue of Obama's citizenship has been seriously questioned sufficiently to shift the burden to Obama - and uses burden shifiting legal principles that on their face do not apply to a candidate for office.

And FWIW, I would actually like to see Obama lay the issue to rest, but I disagree that the issue of his standing to constitutionally hold the office has been suffieiciently raised to shift the burden as Viera asserts, if the case is reversed and remanded to proceed on the merits, but then there are always at least 2 sides to every legal issue, and at least one side is always wrong.

lunch

Tomorrow, according to sources, Al and Tipper Gore will be stumping for Obama in West Palm and Ft. Lauderdale. It's the first time he's campaigned in Florida for president since 2000. While he's campaigned in the Sunshine State since 2000, he's not done so for a presidential candidate since he himself was running.

Obama's hero is Micheal Jordan, one thing Jordan did was "bring it in the 4th quarter". This is bringing it in the 4th quarter.

"Could it be that it was both -- placating angry Clinton supporters and also revitalizing demoralized religious righters?"

Tom -- I doubt they ever thought that hard line Democratic women would vote for McCain because of Palin.

But I can name you five women just in my acquaintence who either were indies or Republicans who had planned on not voting until Palin came along. AND all those women, every single one, decided AFTER the BS about Palin's pregnant daughter.

And just an aside, some of the black feminists I know were the most angered over Palin's initial treatment about an unwed pregnant daughter. They have felt the ugly comments about unwed mothers more than any other group. (These women voted Obama, that's not my point...just shows you, though that you can despise someone's politics and still see an ugly side to the discourse.)

Craig really stirred up something. Even with my conversion to an Obama supporter and with the admission that Clinton's campaign was flawed in many respects, I am surprise at just how angry I still am at the various members of the media. That all white, NO GIRLZ BOYZ ONLY club of misogynistic rats really pissed me off.

Matthews at least has had the good grace to admit he might have been in error. I never again will watch Olbermann with the same respect after that "commentary" he did about HIllary. I have gone back to watching him when something interesting seems possible, but otherwise it is now Campbell Brown.

Have a good evening everyone!

"...every single one, decided AFTER the BS about Palin's pregnant daughter. "

Good for them. Gestures, even hollow ones, are important.

Jamie...please remember, Matthews also grabbed Ellen's breast while dancing with her on her show. He appears to be a sexually confused man.

Rejecting Fred Hiatt's post partisan unity plea
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/29/AR2008102903545.html

"This is the Post Partisan Unity Schtick. And it leads to, at best, nothing but adoption of Republicanism on a smaller scale. It leads to the Iraq Debacle, the disastrous Bush economic policy and so on. We tried it their way for the past 8 years. Any right thinking progressive must reject this. Of course, if you do not have actual views on issues, then this is just right for you. Some will think you are reasonable. I find the view ignorant and stupid."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/30/111054/17

This picture is just too telling via A. Sullivan -

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/30/image001.jpg

Palin's speech at the convention was the best....it did get my attention, but she is no Hillary Clinton. A successful evangelical, not a successful woman. There is a difference and the more exposure she got, the more apparent the difference became. She didn't satisfy the dem hunger for woman...and quite frankly, upset many a stomach. I chose anorexia over a diet of Palin.

Bonde,

I don't think that grope was intentional. He doesn't have O'Reilley's reputation for that sort of thing. At least he has the good grace to be a bit ashamed of himself when it is pointed out where he crossed the line. The apology may fall a little shy of genuine, but at least he makes one.

"Smart people will follow. People who care about their country and guiding it safely into the future."

Typical Repuclican group-think cheerleading. Love it or leave it.

Jamie....
I've been watching Campbell Brown lately also.....

and I feel exactly the same way..... although I will lie to pollsters..... I've never been rude to anyone calling on behalf of any candidate.... except one.....

a young man called about a month ago advocating for Obama..... I chose to read him the riot act concerning women's feelings about the candidate and the DNC over the primary with Hillary..... I wanted him to understand how mad it made some of us with the hope that he would be one male who'd stop and think before opening his mouth about women....

then I remembered it's hard to persuade someone with anger and I softened and told him I would vote for Obama and thanked him for his volunteer work....
he thanked me and said he'd think about what I'd said.....

well.... I've wasted the whole morning playing on this machine.....
time for me to get at least some work done today......

"Matthews also grabbed Ellen's breast while dancing with her on her show. He appears to be a sexually confused man."

No kidding, Blonde -- and remember how he got that thrill in his pants listening to Obama....he's seriously confused!

the moment Obama flipped the African American vote

The Intrade Presidential Futures Market Race by State tightened again this week, with just five days until the election. With Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, and Nevada still up for grabs, Barak Obama still does not have a lock on the election. However, traditionally-Republican states have begun to soften. Georgia, North & South Dakota, and Montana -- all states that are typically solid Republican strongholds -- have drifted from solid Republican predictors to "too close to call."

This may be bad news for John McCain, but the trends so far don't suggest an Obama "mandate" like some have previously predicted. As the vast majority of voters traditionally decide their Presidential choice no later than three days prior to the election, we should know something more definitive Sunday morning. As an early read from the campaigns, watch for John McCain to start touting down-ticket races as a sign they believe they have lost. On the Democratic side, watch for the Obama campaign to start adding additional campaign stops, especially in Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, or Florida if they think the race is going to be close.

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

" It seems the primary voters chose Obama (we can solve problems together) over Clinton (I can solve your problems for you)."

Actually, he did not win the popular vote, dog. But aside from that, you have twisted both candidates' messages into simplistic rhetoric.

Anon --"Tomorrow, according to sources, Al and Tipper Gore will be stumping for Obama in West Palm and Ft. Lauderdale."

I wonder if they will introduce him as the "former next President of the United States."

We shall see what happens these next four years. We'll see if just electing this man makes the world, including the Middle East, love us. We'll see if we are out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We'll see if there is much "change" in health care, decent education for all. And we'll see if the new Joshua has delivered us from evil.

Having said that -- I think it will depend on what money has been behind him all along, and what they decide to do.

Campaign turning point moments to remember:

1. The juxtaposition of Senator Obama giving his speech in Berlin while Senator McCain was upstaged by someone knocking over a display behind him in a grocery store. This was a defining moment, as one was presidential and one was pathetic.

2. Senator McCain's assertion that the fundamentals of the economy were strong, proving to most folks that he was out of touch.

3. Senator McCain's wondering around the platform at the second debate, looking demented.

I think the most important thing that happened during the entire campaign is when Republicans realized they had no candidate to offer so they might as well let McCain take the fall.

Wrong Patsi,

I think republicans happened to see that this was a lost during the primaries and they sacrificed John so that Mitt Ronney could go after 4 years of the yes-we-can chant ....
They only made one miscalculation: Sarah Palin..... They dodn´t know John would choose her and she would be the new face of the repugs.....

To be Continued

Damn, I´m still here.....

Wrong Patsi,

I think republicans happened to see that this was a lost during the primaries and they sacrificed John so that Mitt Ronney could go after 4 years of the yes-we-can chant ....
They only made one miscalculation: Sarah Palin..... They didn´t know John would choose her and she would be the new face of the repugs.....

To be Continued

Damn, I´m still here.....

Maybe you are misremembering that Obama's campaign was launched on the quasi-religious premise that he was the new Joshua, set to lead the masses to the Promise Land.

The fact that those who didn't worship at the alter are considered less American than the acolytes is, however, quite disturbing. Religious right fundies to the right of me, Obama-worshiping fundies to the left.

Obama will most assuredly be better than John McCain or any other Republican. But he better hit the ground running. 'Cause he's sure sold himself as America's Savior.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1001/campaign-media

Pew says "Poor John McCain, the media really does hate him."

Interesting point, Jason. It will be fascinating to see the right and moderate wings of the Republican party battle for control.

Maybe you are misremembering that Obama's campaign was launched on the quasi-religious premise that he was the new Joshua, set to lead the masses to the Promise Land.

The fact that those who didn't worship at the alter are considered less American than the acolytes is, however, quite disturbing. Religious right fundies to the right of me, Obama-worshiping fundies to the left.

Obama will most assuredly be better than John McCain or any other Republican. But he better hit the ground running. 'Cause he's sure sold himself as America's Savior.

Posted by: Patsi | October 30, 2008 12:50 PM

To quote Queen Oprah: " He´s the One". " I can feel..he´s the one".....

Sad!...So sad!

Patsi,
I know that I considered it lost before the primary ever got here to Texas. I'm a serious fiscal conservative and quickly found myself on the outisde looking in with both parties.....problem is I don't see anyone in either party picking up the fiscal banner anytime soon

pogo ---------------

SoetorObama has a "hidden" past. Why not just show everyone the certified documents that prove he is Constitutionally qualified for POTUS? Because those documents (or lack of) would prove that he has been living a lie for more than 30 years. He refuses to voluntarily show the American people something as basic as a certified hardcopy BC. Do you know enough about his past to understand why he must keep the documents (those that exist) secret? The revealed TRUTH would be devastating!

He is probably an "illegal" who has has been using an illegal name (BHO) for about 30 years. I know that seems fantastic -- beyond belief. Connect the dots.

Craig- How about the incredulous moment when the media, JJ. Jr. and some other players made Bill Clinton out to be a racist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27456138/

When both plans look bad my only real choice is to vote for gridlock.....Looks like that plan will not play out well either.....Laughs

Patsi and others....

Exhibit A:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/30/win-lose-palin-going-away/

There are some women who have done a rather fine job this year Maddow, Couric, and now Campbell Brown :

"The information in this ad is so ridiculously misleading, and yet Senator Dole is standing by it and continuing to raise questions about Hagan's so-called godlessness on the campaign trail," Brown said. "Is this really what it has come down to? We are fighting two wars, our economy is a disaster, and Senator Dole's message to voters is to falsely accuse her opponent of not believing in God?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/campbell-brown-rips-doles_n_139197.html

The "shafts of grain" shot in the Obama infomercial reminded me of similar images in "Dances With Wolves."

In that movie, the viewer was coaxed into being proud of John Dunbar (Kevin Costner) and ashamed of the soldiers (Charles Rocket, et.al.) and, by extension, the U.S. government's policy toward Native Americans.

Maybe those who were angered by Mrs. Obama's "first time I'm proud of America" moment had an epiphany of sorts if they made the same connection, recalling John Dunbar's inclination to meet with/understand Kicking Bird (Graham Greene) and seeing Senator Obama as one willing to learn and be inclusive, while identifying Mr. Bush and Senator McCain as reactionary relics.

GORDO,

Considering the presumption of innocence and the burden on the petitioner to prove a case, you should have to prove its fake, not Obama proving that it's not, especially if he has already met the burdens to be listed on every states primary and general election ballots.

All the daily tracking polls are snapping back , and McCain is still frozen around 43.

This is interesting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/study-nbc-news-doesnt-fol_n_139162.html

Terry McAuliff sure can talk up a storm. How does anyone stay that UP in every appearance. It makes you smile just to watch him.

" There is a matriarchy in a large percentage of the black community and they have heard insults such as the ones thrown at Palin. They don't have to like her to understand her and resent outsiders butting in to their business."

Very true, Jamie. This whole unwed-moms-are-dirt crap doesn't go over big with most of them. Theyre sick of hearing it.

Glad you posted that Huff-Po Campbell Brown piece, Anon. Liddy needs to go, now.

More proof of the Republican crack-up -

More executives sold on Obama

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-27-prez-money_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

I'm amazed by the incredible amount of public interest in Sarah Palin. Good or bad, she's become somewhat of a pop icon. People are dressing like her to be and/or mock her all at the same time.

For instance, I found this video on dressing like Palin:

http://www.mindbites.com/lesson/668-how-to-dress-like-sarah-palin

Latest polls on California's Prop 8

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/prop-8-toss-up.html

Need a no vote on this one.

"This is interesting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/study-nbc-news-doesnt-fol_n_139162.html"

VERY interesting, Bear -- and after reading that, it makes me wonder a little less about the fact that I've sometimes felt pundits were taking two opposing positions when they appeared on, for example, Matthews' show, and on an NBC broadcast.

Patsi,

Did you link this yesterday?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/campaign-sign-o.html

Patsi -
Campbell Brown has done a good job, too bad Countdown is creaming her. Keith beat Bill-o again on Tuesday night.

The New Republican Party is going to be Palin with a mob of GORDO's & plumbers, behind her, wandering off into the political wilderness searching for a septic tank to pump.

If Lieberman loses his committee chairmanships, these are the new power players: It would be good news for Washington with Patty Murray

http://www.politickerwa.com/wallyedgewa/2486/if-dems-ditch-lieberman-murray-could-move

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166155

Gordo, echo.

The king of the anti-Obama forces, limpballs, made a point in the 30 seconds I listened to him on the way back from lunch (it's the time between when the garage blocks Sirius and the time I get out of the car). He was talking about the BC issue and said, (correctly for once IMHO) that if you can't convince people that Obama isn't an American citizen - and you cna't - you're wasting your time and should be talking about the issues. Of course he still labors under the misconception that on the issues, voters will favor McCain over Obama, but you get the point.

Bear, that presumption of innocence thing applies to criminal cases, and I don't know of an analog of it in constitutional cases that allege lack of constitutional qualification for anything not based in statutary requirements (where a rebuttable presumption of compliance applies), but the rest of your comment is dead on. Since it's what I've been arguing futilely for the past week, I don't expect to see any difference in Gordo's obsessive posting about SO as a result of your pointing it out..

Bear -- no, the picture I linked was that one with the Confederate flag...the redneck one is pretty funny. Bush has even pissed them off....

This is another interesting link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eugene-jarecki/the-straight-talk-train-w_b_139218.html

"It would be good news for Washington with Patty Murray"

I'd love to see Patty shove Joe out of his seat! Fingers crossed. But Joe will not go gently....

"The New Republican Party is going to be Palin with a mob of GORDO's & plumbers, behind her, wandering off into the political wilderness searching for a septic tank to pump."

Possibly so, Anon. But I think that the road the campaign has taken on both sides, and the role Palin was brought in to play, have pushed her more to the right than she was before. I always saw her as a fundie who didn't push that agenda too hard. Not like a lot of them. Now, I think she will.

Bear --------------

"... if he has already met the burdens to be listed on every states primary and general election ballots."

There is NO mechanism for checking the credentials of a person running for POTUS. None. The DNC is in on this fraud. The DNC tells everyone that he has "natural" born status. That's where it ends -- with the DNC. Are you aware that the DNC joined SoetorObama in fighting the Berg lawsuit?

There is no way to get a look at the documents -- everything is sealed. SoetorObama will not even show the hardcopy COLB that he claims was used for the site COLB images. Why? Because the hardcopy COLB info doesn't match the web COLBs. The web COLBs have been photoshopped.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm having a hard time staying out of the Halloween candy. Luckily I bought a lot....because I've been dipping into the mini-Butterfingers and Kit-Kats.

jason, re your 11:34, because they would be called racists.
as for your plea of help in your heart of hearts you don't really want to go....you feel our love, you have become one with us. *cue eerie music*

"I think several of us are sick of hearing Obama drop those "g's" in his continuing attempt to relate to the great unwashed God & Gun worshipping bigots."

patsi, "od" and "un" bigots?

craig, is it too late to include maxwell smart exhorting the lame to walk moment?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166178

I wish CNN would switch Lou Dobbs and Campbell Brown.

GORDO,

Your focus is short sighted if you say only the DNC is perpetrating this fraud.

If the RNC, the Green Party, the Libertarians, the Communists, Socialists and every other fringe party have not taken up legal arms to discredit another candidate's status as a natural born citizen of this country, a major pillar of eligibility for POTUS, then they are in fact concurring with his status as such and are accepting of his ability to run.

If their is a fraud being committed, they are complicit in that act.

Patsi,

I've become a Twix fiend and may have to enter rehab

pat,

craig, is it too late to include maxwell smart exhorting the lame to walk moment?

RFL

It's interesting that Prop 8 is so close yet Obama is a blowout
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/30/MNPR13QI21.DTL&tsp=1

Everyone is getting ready to party -our long national nightmare will be ALMOST over. Shrub should sign a pledge to do nothing without the approval of the president elect.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/29/MNTS13QMEJ.DTL&type=politics

Re Jason's 11:34, I think the very negative reaction to any opposition calling Obama "Osama" or using Hussein is that it is so closly tied to the idea ot terrorism. While the person doing the name calling may be using it because they are prejudiced against him as a black man, the terrorist connotation is worse simply because of the lives lost on 9/11 and in the subsequent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Intimating that McCain may be severely over the hill and fading or that he is nothing but a Bush clone may be mean, but that isn't the same as saying he would be a traitor to America or murder thousands of Americans if he became President.

CC - Most memorable: Hil'ry on the floor of the Dem convention.

Exxon....qtr - $14 billion profit CBS.....qtr- $14 Billion loss......laughs...I love it...

"It's interesting that Prop 8 is so close yet Obama is a blowout "

That is strange, KGC. I didn't realize until now that Prop 8 had much support....damn!

craig, here's just the campaign button for your candidacy. they also have yard signs.
http://www.cloudstar.com//966E5914346B451EB3784E0BC160F9DA.asp?sc_id=DB2D2074C8774FB480F61C8B459975D8&p_key=ED40F19A21044BACBE0D6BB1456EE88A&path=Home+%3E+Wag+More+Bark+Less+%3E+Campaign+For+Change
maybe in a pundit's case, it should be "more wags less barks"

"Are you aware that the DNC joined SoetorObama in fighting the Berg lawsuit?"

This is, of course, a lie. Berg sued the DNC and Obama (and the FEC).

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/1/

Obama and the DNC filed a joint Motion to dismiss and memorandum in support - based on lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Berg joined Obama and the DNC - see para. 12 of the Complaint.

Never let the facts stand between yourself and a good argument.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166155

Craig, how about the moment GORDO uncovered the secret background of Barack Obama and his plans to take over the United States as a manchurian candidate?

Bear -----------

Without proof (All documents are sealed -- can't get proof.), people and groups are very reluctant to go any where near this subject. It's about RIDICULE. I put the word in caps because that's how the game is played against anyone who dares mention his citizenship status.

Why does he hide a certified hardcopy BC from the American people? Because he has to keep his "hidden" past hidden!

Jax-I'm gonna start calling you "catfish". :)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166199

I get more dizzy watching GORDO's Obama posts going round in circles than I did watching 3 seasons of Lynda Carter spinning around on her television portrayal of WONDER WOMAN...

Btw, Lynda Carter rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4p8_ZSE04s

"The Bush Administration's Midnight Regulations"

Critics Say Proposed Rules Would Hurt Consumers, Environment, Safety

The Bush administration is trying to push through a wave of new regulations despite a promise by the White House to ban last-ditch rule-making in the waning days of the presidency, say watchdog groups and experts."

ETC....

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6146929&page=1

Bolton's May 9, 2008 memo here:

http://www.ombwatch.org/regs/PDFs/BoltenMemo050908.pdf

These folks won't stop until the very last second!

tt

Yeah Gordo-musn't let the American people know about all the terrible and nefarious things he did between ages 1 and 8.

SPIN SPIN SUGAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4p8_ZSE04s

wrong link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PZw-mAALY

Hey ET! Do you have any Electro Woman and PowerGirl from the Kroft Supershow? How 'bout Bigfoot and Wild Boy? Ah, memories.

Rosie,
Laughs....Believe me...I've been called much worse....I really like catfish pontchatrain....awesome....:)

Hope you're not prone to nosebleeds, Tom.

OMG ... ELECTRO WOMAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZQ9RJM1Q4

With Lost in Space sound effects!

Thanks for the links tiptoe.

People need to let the Bush administration know, they can leave early and no one will think less of them.

pogo ---------------

If the DNC had not been in on the fraud, the DNC would have cooperated with Berg to get to the TRUTH. Instead, the DNC went along with the cover-up. The DNC has fought every bit as hard as SoetorObama to keep his past hidden. Why? Because Dean and others have no choice at this point. The DNC and SoetorObama are both guilty of a massive fraud. They have to lie and use the legal system to hide the TRUTH.

Rosie, now I Remember why I hated this show. It was DYNA GIRL... So if ELECTRO WOMAN is Hillary, Dyna Girl could be Sarah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6hv8s-GvSk

Electra Woman and Dyna Girl? People at the fun site I go to love to cap that show.

"I get more dizzy watching GORDO's Obama posts "

Just skip right over 'em, Tom -- Gordo never seems to want to delve into Obama's telecom connections or backtracking on issues, so I don't pay attention to him.

ET-be careful or you're gonna get me tripping down memory lane.
Jax-you just have fun with it, just remember to buy us all a tall one when you hit it big.

Rosie,
We don't need to wait for that....I'll but you a tall one whenever you want.....Damn...it's only 1:40 ct.....I'm thirsty....:)

Does anyone remember ISIS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNMJRFGuXL0

you know this is a lot more fun than politics and we have GORDO to thank for that.

Thanks GORD!

Enough with Gordo. The Salon article below was just mentioned on Thom Hartmann show. Apparently W did one of his signing statements to allow military action against US citizens in the event of civil unrest on Nov 5 (Guy Fawkes Day in England featured in movie V for Vendetta). Anyone for martial law and riots in the street? Cue spooky music.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/

It's only 10:30 AK time, I'm still working on my coffee. I guess I'll just add a little some-somethin' and call it good. {MMMM....Baileys)

I wonder if Deidre Hall looks back fondly on that job?

And to top it off... one of my VERY favourites !!!

SHAZAM !!!!

To SEEK JUSTICE FOR ALL....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDKiCS8S2Hs

Jamie,
Just to verify, police already have that ability, National Guard require a governors approval and the actual regular military requires the President signature....Is that what this was?

Bear- That was actually her twin sister. She "died" on Days.
OOH-OOH ET! What about that hottie that played Shazam? David Grey?

Rosie,
Yuo're up in AK....i'd love to Flyfishing up there and maybe shoot a couple of those prairie chickens or grouse whatever they are called up there....i've heard that they taste incredible

bad quality but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W47JApPYKLM&feature=related

ptarmigan-and the fishing is incredible. Nothing like fishing when there are bald eagles fishing out there with you. Beautiful.

Renee,
I caught your coments about the NH prim. Thx. Interesting and completely understandable. My only thought is that many people in different areas have gotten pounded by callers and probably resounded as you did. However, wasn't NH the only state poll that was way off to the end result? Too long ago and too many polls in my brain. lol

I was goggling to see if any of the pollsters themselves have offered an explanation. Can't find much. I guess we will never really know. I'm sure in the years to come they will be writing books on the subject. Maybe you can be an informant. :-) Also , in the future, I'm sure any time one's candidate is behind on the polls, "remember NH" will be the rallying cry.

Rosie,
I've heard....I mostly go to Wyoming/Montana for fishing and grouse and its great .....but I've heard that once you do AK all of the rest pale in comparison.

Rosie,

You mean that was Marlenna's twin sister who died on Days...at the hands of the Salem strangler...

http://www.soapcentral.com/days/ftrees/index.php#profiles

If you want to check out the various family trees, have at that link, but I caution you, reading the federal budget is easier.

"SoetorObama will not even show the hardcopy COLB that he claims was used for the site COLB images."

Gordo,

Who do you want him to show it to? Should he stop by your house between speeches? How about one of those Olympic torch tours hitting major cities from coast to coast?

Somebody had to hold the damn thing if only long enough to scan it into the computer. How many people are in on this conspiracy? Why have there been no leaks? What nefarious goals are they perpetrating?

I'm a little old for digging a bomb shelter. Would just stocking up on a six month supply of food satisfy any requirements for the future evil yet to come with the plot for world dominion?

And then ... one of the early morning kid pleasures...

When Captain America Throws his mighty shield.

Gotta go, little dinner party here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpufNT8I-SU

Fascinating... the conservative magazine THE ECONOMIST endorses Barack Obama

The Economist Announces Wholehearted Endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for President of The United States of America

Last update: 9:10 a.m. EDT Oct. 30, 2008
NEW YORK, Oct 30, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Magazine: America should take a chance
For all the shortcomings of the campaign, both John McCain and Barack Obama offer hope of national redemption. Now America has to choose between them. The Economist does not have a vote, but if it did, it would cast it for Mr Obama.

The magazine announced its endorsement "wholeheartedly", but acknowledged it viewed Mr Obama as "a gamble". Given Mr Obama's inexperience, the lack of clarity about some of his beliefs and the prospect of a stridently Democratic Congress, voting for him is a risk. But, the magazine argued in an editorial to be published in the November 1st issue of the magazine, it is a risk America should take, given the steep road ahead.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/The-Economist-Announces-Wholehearted-Endorsement/story.aspx?guid=%7B731BF2A3-10E0-4390-A87E-7A67684908FB%7D

Jamie...

I not only wrote about that, but have mentioned it here many, many times and like now I'm sure everyone still thinks I'm nuts and wear a tin foil hat.

It can happen here and if a few hundred or so people are killed the rest will fall in line like sheep.

Bear-that was Deirdra Halls real life twin that played Electro Woman. The same one that died, yes, at the hands of the Salem Strangler.
Jax- I've only been through those other states on my way up here, and I do remember that they had their own charm. I'd love to see an antilope that would be too cool.

No Deidre Hall played Electro Woman...

"Sigh" Ok, I yield. I coulda sworn that was her sister, though.

Her sister actually played her sister on Days...I thought she did the double role thing...lol

Jax

I would have to dig into it, but the problem is that Congress passed a law that Bush signed but in signing it, he also issued a signing statement that said I don't like this part of the law and I won't enforce it. It is a nasty little habit that he has been perpetrating on the American public for the past 8 years (more SS that all other previous presidents combined).

Now it would have to go through the courts and eventually to the Supremes. It is all part of his Imperial Presidency perpetrated with the aid of his lap dog stacking of the Justice Department and his Supreme Court appointments.

Won't be around tomorrow so Happy Halloween with
Bobby 'Boris' Pickett & the Cryptkickers

Monster Mash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJSW_7YLVs

Andrea Hall played a Electro Woman's double... it gets all in the family

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166234

So who is going to do the killing? Outgoing Bush loyalists? Frustrated losing Republicans? Out of work KKK members? Invading Moslems from Canada's LIttle Mosque on the Prairie? You, Berg and the tin foil crew?

Jamie,
I read the article...very interesting....According to the article congress was very complicit with this...almost offering no oppostion whatsoever and passing with large bipartisan support....do you think they all expect something? Bush will have limited time to use this....it'll be interesting to see if BO gets rid of it....it will tell me alot about him.

Jamie -------

"Who do you want him to show it to?"

That's an important question. The DNC is in on this fraud. It's a unique situation.

This is from the Vieira article:

"If he continues to dodge the issue, Obama will be dogged with this question every day of his purported “Presidency.” And inevitably the truth will out. For the issue is too simple, the evidence (or lack of it) too accessible. Either Obama can prove that he is “a natural born Citizen” who has not renounced his citizenship; or he cannot. And he will not be allowed to slip through with some doctored “birth certificate” generated long after the alleged fact. On a matter this important, Americans will demand that, before its authenticity is accepted, any supposed documentary evidence of that sort be subjected to reproducible forensic analyses conducted by reputable, independent investigators and laboratories above any suspicion of being influenced by or colluding with any public official, bureaucracy, political party, or other special-interest organization whatsoever."

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

Sure, Gordo. Great story. Can't wait for the ending.

Gordo

Benjamin Franklin was a very wise man which is why I think you have more than one loose screw.

"Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead".

Then there is a much later equally true quote. "Given a choice between conspiracy and stupidity, stupidity is always the most likely".

"The ordinary word in English is "Muslim", pronounced /'mʊs.lɪm/ or /'mʌz.ləm/. The word is pronounced /'mʊslɪm/ in Arabic. It is sometimes spelled "Moslem", which some regard as offensive"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim

Pogo, Gordo
What is the protocol for proving citizenship for the presidency. Surely its more in depth than producing
a photo-copy BC and a passport...?

The ultimate zombie dance: Thriller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un3-Hb9wF9s

pogo ------------

If Obots are confident that SoetorObama is Constitutionally qualified, then why not call on him to release the documents? Because Obots have doubts, but just don't care. Time to toss that old Constitution thing in the trash can. Right, Pogo?

GORDO.

I have doubts that you are a voting citizen of the US. Your frequent usage of websites that appear to be Israeli or other NON American origins makes me question your fitness to question our election process, for any candidate.

You need to prove that you are not only a citizen, but not a felon, eligible to vote before we should entertain any further your demands on any American candidates ability to run for any office.

McCain going after the school kid vote...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/mccain-camp-busses-in-sch_n_139300.html

McCain Camp Buses In School Kids To Fill Crowd

White nationalists' exploit different methods, like new media. And they don't litter.

"Supremacists who used to express their loathing for blacks, gays, Jews and other minorities with fists and fire now post fliers, blog online, ramble on talk radio, commune at invitation-only white-power concerts and gather for subdued ceremonies with subtle messages,. . "

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/top_story/20081029_A_NEW_WAY_OF_HATE.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166231

Jamie, good luck - been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Viera is talking into his hat - if America gave a crap there would be an outcry now. Hear anything ? Is that a mouse in the corner? Fact is, McCain will be able to meet the standing requirement after the EC selects obama as president. Until then, no one has suffered a cognizable injury in fact. The issue of standing notwithstanding, the Fed Courts are constrained by the case and controversy provision of Art.III, Sec. 2 of the Constitution, which Berg has implicitly asked them to ignore, and which Viera, bright as he is, has similarly ignored. See, it may be inefficient, but unless McCain loses, he hasn't suffered an injury sufficient to meet the case and controversy requirement. Federal courts can't proceed on an "if this happens I will be harmed" basis, which is what Berg has asked them to do.

Jamie: It's kind of dark in the youtube video but if you look closely you can see that Michael Jackson is wearing Sarah Palin's jacket ... or was she wearing HIS jacket the other day?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

pogo,gordo
Surely OB has had to undergo the military TS clearance vetting. Wouldn't that have turned up any
inconsistencies with his citizenship. I don't know what members of congress have to go through but to hear any real intelligence I would think that they have to go through the same vetting process.

jaxtrader--------------

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166250

Difficult to believe, but there is none. It's a HUGE flaw in the system. SoetorObama and the DNC are taking advantage of this.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166249

Okay. I'll go with Muslim. Either way, "Little Mosque on the Prairie" is a great award winning show

http://www.cbc.ca/littlemosque/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0923293/

Engaging the Clintons - Obama's first venture in diplomacy.

I still don't get why THEY need HIM. Not when he hasn't one yet. Not when he hasn't had the chance to prove himself in office.

Gordo, Pogo
So let me get this straight.....there is no official vetting system to prove that the requirements are met to be eligible to run for president?

Looks like college costs are going to go up even more...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/education/2008328993_college30.html

Gordo, you and Berg (and Viera) are the ones asking that the Constitution be thrown in the trash can. Assuming you are right and the facts bear out your suspicions, Obama has no duty to prove he's a natural born citizen until he tries to assume the office. Could he before then if he chose? Sure. He would say he has - he certainly has done more than the Constitution requires(which is nothing of a candidate for office). We'll see how meritorious this is when and if Obama is elected. Until then, you'll have to content yourself with your delusions.

jax, therein lies the rub. There doesn't appear to be one - at least I'm not aware of one. It would appear the avenue of redress would be through the Courts. Berg has probably hit upon the right approach, but in his zeal to prove a conspiracy (a problem with conspiracy theorists - they see conspiracies where they do and do not exist) he has the wrong parties at issue (the DNC and FEC aren't proper parties to a constitutional challenge to a constitutionally ineligible president) and his suit is untimely.

In Sarah Palin's defense, I think I know why they spent big $$$ to dress her. Take a look at this from her days as Guv in Alaska ...

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/460/slide_460_11041_large.jpg

pogo---------------

"if America gave a crap there would be an outcry now."

Not many people know about this. Most have no idea about SoetorObama's past. They know almost nothing about him.

The idea that he would try something like this is just too fantastic for most to accept. It works to his advantage.

How simple to authorize the release of a certified hardcopy BC. But he refuses. Berg and others are in court trying to force him to show a BC.

Good News for No on 8
By Jessica Garrison
October 23, 2008
While California voters remain closely divided on the question of gay marriage, a majority oppose a measure to ban it, according to a poll released Wednesday by the Public Policy Institute of California.

But the poll also found that support for Proposition 8, which would amend the state Constitution to disallow same-sex marriage, has gained somewhat since a similar survey was taken in late August. The latest results show 44% in favor and 52% opposed, with a margin of sampling error of 3 percentage points
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-gaymarriage23-2008oct23,0,65703.story

Proof that too much HuffPo makes people crazy:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/10/29/1029bbdeaths.html

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/top_story/20081029_A_NEW_WAY_OF_HATE.html

Rez,

The only consolation is that time is against them. The whole make up of the population is changing. Obama is very much an expression of the changing face of America.

I'm always struck by McCain's almost all white rallies compared to Obamas rainbow crowd. It made me wonder about the folks here.

If you held an extended family get together with all the brothers, sisters, in-laws, children, grandchildren, significant others, boyfirends, girlfriends etc. would the crowd be mixed races?

I'm not a conspriacy nut at all. I don't know enough about this to have any valid argument at all....
I just remember the speed at which the media discovered that Joe the plumber didn't have an official plumbers license.
just off the cuff.....You'd think that issue right or wrong carries a little more importance....
Why are only fringe players looking at it?

"If you held an extended family get together with all the brothers, sisters, in-laws, children, grandchildren, significant others, boyfirends, girlfriends etc. would the crowd be mixed races?"

Quite a few hispanics in my family.

jax, Obama has in all likelihood done a number of things that require that he produce a verified copy of his BC. Obtaining a passport is the first thing that comes to mind - and registering with Selective Service may require that as well, but I can't state that for sure - it having been more than a few years since I had the pleasure of registering. If he has a security clearance the FBI has conducted a background investigation on him, and I can tell you that they are thorough. This whole thing boils down to "because there are rumors circulating on the internet that if true may indicate that Obama is not qualified to serve as president, we demand that he prove he's a natural born citizen." Don't think that's what it's about? Read the Complaint. I'm not making his stuff up.

Pogo,
I'm just really surprised that there isn't a full blown in-depth screening by someone for anyone seeking the presidency. I have a full TS (Navy 20 yrs) and I can tell you that they are thorough. It took over 6 mos to complete and the renewal's took 3 mos.
How could we not do the same for the Com in Chief

if I gathered all my extended family together..... with the exception of a few significant others.... we'd all be French Canadian....

oh man..... I am soooo screwed!....... ;)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166269

Patsi: That story is sad. I think it took more than Huffpost to put her over the top.

Pogo & Gordo-Is it common for the the public to have access to candidates college records?

renee,
You'd be fine down here on the Tex/La Coast. Lots of Cajuns down here.....great food...music

Patsi,

Our crowd looks like a miniature United Nations. I haven't checked on recent developments but with the last roll call we had one black, a couple of Hispanics, and a Navaho. There were rumors of an Asian component, but that one is still in the works. :-)

Gordo, more people than you know are aware of this stupid issue. How many listeners do Limpballs and Hannity have? They've both discussed this - I've heard them myself, and I don't listen much. How many lawyers are there in this country who read all manner of publications that have had reports of this? I've seen blurbs on it in three publications that I can recall. Think any of those lawyers are associated with the RNC? Think the McCain campaign isn't aware of this? It's been on the cable newsers and on the 6:30 broadcast newsers as well. Why hasn't Fox News made a big deal about it? They love McCain and hate Obama. What about the Swiftboat liars? They worked like hell to derail Kerry's campaign based on lies, and they were gearing up to oppose Obama - and lord knows they have the money to buy a few ads to raise the issue to at least a level that Joe Sixpack would know about it and start screaming. The fact is, aside from a few paranoids out there, people don't consider it sufficiently meritorious to give a crap.

Jamie,

My guess (wasn't my article) is that the kids he referred to all have extended families that include many ethnic groups and gays. They're just too naive, stupid, and/or in denial to recognize it. Seems I remember reading that Hitler had Jewish ancestry.

Palin needs to learn that it is "The Democratic Party" not Democrat party or as she phrases "far left democrat party".

jax, that's the point in part - you know about your TS, but not many others do. Fact is, we have no idea who has been screened by whom for what purposes. And it is uncommon for anyone to have easy access to anyone else's college records absent a release from the pperson whose records are at issue. Privacy is a big deal in education, medicine, etc. A much bigger deal than most people understand. If I had a kid by my ex (I don't) and I did not have CUSTODY (as opposed to visitation rights) and I didn't have a court order granting me access to my kid's records, I couldn't even get a copy of my kid's grades even though I would be the kid's biological parent.

October 30th, Jump on Jamie's spelling day. lol

Navajo, not Navaho

http://www.navajo.org/

Jamie -- do gypsies count? When the gypsies came through our little town every summer, my dad was one of the few who gave them work and food...he said it was because there had always been talk in his family about some gypsy blood....figured some might be long lost European relatives....:)

jamie, thanks for the salon article.

anon-para, yes you certainly did alert us to this sometime ago. here's the conclusion of that salon piece.

"UPDATE II: There's no need to start manufacturing all sorts of scare scenarios about Bush canceling elections or the imminent declaration of martial law or anything of that sort. None of that is going to happen with a single brigade and it's unlikely in the extreme that they'd be announcing these deployments if they had activated any such plans. The point is that the deployment is a very dangerous precedent, quite possibly illegal, and a radical abandonment of an important democratic safeguard. As always with first steps of this sort, the danger lies in how the power can be abused in the future." [Glenn Greenwald]

*cue more spooky music*

Rez - there were rumors that Hitler's grandmother became pregnant while working as a servant in a Jewish household, but those rumors have not, to my knowledge at least, been proved.

pogo--------------

"and registering with Selective Service may require that"

Did he register? That's one of the questions. He refuses to release any documentation confirming a registration.
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"because there are rumors circulating on the internet"

Is it a rumor that he would rather go into Federal court to fight a lawsuit than authorize the release of a certified hardcopy BC?
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You are trying to defend SoetorObama on the BC issue using the argument that people don't care. It's about the CONSTITUTION. Apparently, you consider keeping his BC secret more important than the Constitution. Right?

Jump on Rez day

I don't think the navaJo had an alphabet until the Spanish donated theirs. :-)

Great undecodable language but they didn't need to learn to spell.

I think the efforts to link Hitler to a Jewish background comes from the desire to blame EVERYTHING on the Jews.

Yes ... I'm speaking from experience. LOL (I'm also being a bit facetious.)

" I think it took more than Huffpost to put her over the top. "

ROFL -- Ya think?

hey Jamie..... lookie what I found....
according to wikipedia..... your spelling of "Navaho" is acceptable.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_people

Go down to Window rock and tell them they're misspelling their name. :-)

Gordo

Have you demanded that any other President PROVE he had the right to be President? Have you demanded McCain's birth certificat? I know Congress passed a law to specifically state that McCain qualified being born in Panama, but have you seen the birth certificate.

If a similar suit has not been filed against all the others living Presidents then it is just a nuisance suit because you don't like him being black.

Kinda makes you wish Gordo could be transported back in time so he could trace Adolf's ancestry, huh, Karen?

Come to think of it. Palin and Biden MIGHT become President. Have their birth certificates been demanded?

Actually, many now prefer Diné .

Well if you are going to insist that out of courtesy they be called what they want to be called, we will never get anywhere. :-)

Gordo, if he's elected, talk to me about the Constitution. That event will change everything. I've pointed out in more detail than someone with your intelligence needs two separate reasons why the Constitution doesn't support your position, but since that is not what you want to hear you've mischaracterized what I've said. I'm not defending Obama; I'm looking at the issue from the perspective of a lawyer, applying the Constitution upon which you supposedly base your rantings (and relying on Berg for the basis of those Constitutional underpinnings is a fool's errand), pointing out the things that you (and Berg) are ignoring, and coming to a conclusion you can't accept as correct. So be it. You are obsessed. If you can't address the analysis I've provided other than by linking to articles written by others that don't address those points, why not just STFU instead of echoing your previous comments ad nauseum?

lol@Jamie And in my younger days when I could defend myself and/or run fast, I had a few choice names that I've referred to some of the Navajo I've run around with.

Rez.....

I don't care what you call 'em...... they are the best weavers in the world!

RR, That they are!

"you don't like him being black"

come on, jamie, be fair. gordo doesn't like him because he's an alleged friend-of-terrorists indonesian, so-called dnc conspirator and flagrant user of several aliases and nom(s?) d'plume. never got a feeling ole gordo was a racist... maybe a tad obsessive-compulsivist tho.

Jamie-------------

The McCain issue has been looked into -- really no comparison.

SoetorObama's situation is totally different. He has an extremely complex history. And he REFUSES to provide documents that prove he is Constitutionally qualified. Why? Because he can not !!!

True and the silver work sand paintings are gorgeous. So much to learn so little time.

It's the little things that make you want to live forever.

Navajo, huh? Suits me. I figure people can spell their names however they like.

I think I'll take a trip to La Hoya. I hear there are wonderful views of the Pacific there. LOL

Everyone have a good evening. As for me, I'm outta here.

patd

racist because he is black. racist because he might be muslim. racist because of the Indonesian connection. It doesn't matter how you slice it. He is a racist.

If that weren't true, the exact same demands would have been made of everyone in line for the office and all those who have served.

"The McCain issue has been looked into -- really no comparison."

What a crock - seen his BC? Got a link to a website with a copy of it on it? I demand to see it. I think he was born outside the Canal Zone. There are rumors on the internet to that effect. I demand to see a certified copy.

Now I am gone.

"Actually, many now prefer Diné "

Funny you should mention that, Rez...I just titled something I wrote, Dreams of the Diné ....

Pogo

Way back when I was a long distance operator (when such jobs still existed), I love to get calls from back east asking for burchered pronunciations of La Jolla, Sepulveda, or La Cienega,

All this talk of Navajo reminds me of what a loss it is that Tony Hillerman has passed away. Wonderful, wonderful writer.

pogo--------------

Why don't you just admit it? You really don't care that SoetorObama does not meet the Constitutional requirements for POTUS. You consider the "natural" born part unimportant. Right?

Patsi,

I hate it when that happens ;-)

I use to help print and sell t-shirts for my nephew. I remember getting chastised by some "buzzed" Navajo girl for having "Navajo Nation" instead of "Diné Nation" on it. That's one reason it pops in my mind.

Patsi: LOL!! You're right, I think we should put Gordo on Hitler's trail right now!

FWIW, we always heard that Hitler's grandmother was Jewish.

Other folklore suggests that Hitler was pissed at art school educators that were predominately Jewish and did not allow him into art school. I always wondered what would have happened if Hitler had got into the art school of his choice. It’s eerily similar to George W. Bush wanting to be commissioner of MLB. Perhaps if we had allowed him to do that job there wouldn't be thousands and thousands of people dead and a once prosperous economy in ruins. SIGH.

Put GORDO on the trail to find what is left of the shame in the McCain campaign...after an appearance like this, they think we should let them lead...what a wussbag

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/rick-sanchez-v-michael-go_n_139357.html

Pogo,

Good stuff.

"Obama has no duty to prove he's a natural born citizen until he tries to assume the office. Could he before then if he chose? Sure. He would say he has - he certainly has done more than the Constitution requires(which is nothing of a candidate for office). We'll see how meritorious this is when and if Obama is elected. Until then, you'll have to content yourself with your delusions."

Wow, we've got a lot of stuff lined up for GORDO.

Frankly, I've always wondered about cattle mutilations. You think the McCain camp has any evidence about Obama's role in those? Did those poor bovines have the goods on Obama and his birth certificate?

Bear------------

Remember what your father said about Zbignew? Zbig has big plans.

Well it seems that the "pro-Gordo" faction is a small minority here. He certainly does have a friend or two. But then, if you asked them whom they were supporting, they would absolutely not be in favor of Barack Obama. Not that they are all for McInsane, but it seems the "true believers" want to see Obama demonized to the point where he is unelectable. Fortunately, these tactics have not worked so far.

GORDO: Speaking of Jewish stuff ... I NEVER liked Zbig. Remember the infamous "You people" remark about Jews? I think he is a creep and his daughter isn't much better.

And no matter what, you have the absolute right to investigate anything you want to.

Annually, most Americans are lucky to enjoy two or three weeks of vacation—four weeks if they're exceptionally lucky. President George W. Bush, however, has a slightly more lenient employer. As of mid-August, President Bush has traveled to his Crawford, Texas, ranch 74 times, according to CBS Radio correspondent Mark Knoller, who has unofficially tracked presidential vacations since 1992. His stays have totaled 466 days (and counting), including a five-week vacation in 2005, the longest presidential holiday in nearly four decades.

Cattle mutilations is a perfect inquiry for G-man, Karen. And crop circles, while he's in cattle country.

I feel for you Bear, blue.

McCain Ahead of Obama in Texas; 23 Percent Believe Obama Is Muslim, Poll Shows

When asked to identify Obama's religion, 45 percent of respondents accurately identified him as Protestant, however 23 percent erroneously identified him as Muslim.

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2008/10/30/politics_poll/

McCain moment ..... "Is Joe the plumber here ? Where's Joe ? " Tick Tick Tick .... Joe's not here ? Well you're all Joe the plumber !"

Losing your #1 campaign prop . Now that incompetence we can all believe in.

Where's a plumber when you need one ?

" But then, if you asked them whom they were supporting, they would absolutely not be in favor of Barack Obama. Not that they are all for McInsane, but it seems the "true believers" want to see Obama demonized to the point where he is unelectable."

Tom, Tom -- must you jump on this "if you don't love Obama you must hate America" thing?

So what if some people enjoy his posts? Some people like anon-paranoid's posts, while I think he buys his tin foil hats the same place Gordo gets his.

Ashley Todd well know McCain supporter has agreed the to treatment for her mental condition.

GORDO -

Your move.

Where's a plumber when you need one ?

Isn't Joe/Sam more of a plumber's helper! :-)

"As of mid-August, President Bush has traveled to his Crawford, Texas, ranch 74 times, "

Bear -- and remember that when -- on August 8, 2001 he received information about a potential attack, he shrugged it off and went to Crawford. I've never understood why that wasn't screamed from the highest rafters.

Just got back from Indiana, and catching up with all the fun going on today---congrats, Rodney can we all get along would be proud :)

We were in the mayors office in gary indiana, workin with a 501- are planning to put up more than 200 homes, these homes will be the solarcrete homes. they are going small homes that the first time buyer will get the states help to buy them,,,we are trying to get the monthly house payments around what they pay now for their apartments,,,

The atty. that i was talking to is going to vote for obama,,,,i knew that he would bring up joe the plumber so i thought up a joke on the way there,,,he liked it.

Joe the plumer

A plumber attended to a leaking faucet at the attorneys house. After a two-minute job the plumber demanded $150.

The attorney exclaimed, i don't charge this amount even though I am a surgeon.

The plumber replied, i agree, you are right. I too, didn't either, when I was a lawyer. That's why I switched to plumbing!

surgeon=atty

Patsi,

I agree about the ignored memo...Bush should have been impeached after that came to light...

Rezdog,

In a strange bit of irony, there is only one Republican candidate for any office that I have seen identify themselves as such on the DFW airwaves and it's a black guy looking to be reelected to the TX Supreme Court.

Cornyn has run some corny/folksy ads and even though he is safe, he hasn't used the word Republican once.

Wow -- Kay Hagen's response to Liddy Dole's sleazoid ad is GOOD! Anyone see it on Tweety & Friends?

Liddy probably just wants to stay in the senate so she doesn't have to be around her husband, who must be viagra-ed to the max.

Well it looks like we found a way how to get the immigrants to go back home------with the economy souring there are not enough jobs for them to do----const, is down,,,,landscaping also.

In Il, today law goes into effect, that the banks can't foreclose on home owners----4b arrives for home assistance

Think that liddy dole's typ of republican women, that has been front and center is over---thats what im also glasd about,,,i hope that i never see phillis _______forgot her last name

Phillis Schaffly

Anyone wondering why Dole is struggling...

1. She has only spent 33 days in the state in the last 2 years.
2. Her campaign bus isn't even registered in NC...

http://www.kayhagan.com/blog/a-picture-worth-only-three-words

Obama and the Politics of Crowds

The masses greeting the candidate on the trail are a sign of great unease.
"There is something odd -- and dare I say novel -- in American politics about the crowds that have been greeting Barack Obama on his campaign trail. Hitherto, crowds have not been a prominent feature of American politics. We associate them with the temper of Third World societies. We think of places like Argentina and Egypt and Iran, of multitudes brought together by their zeal for a Peron or a Nasser or a Khomeini. In these kinds of societies, the crowd comes forth to affirm its faith in a redeemer: a man who would set the world right."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533157015082889.html

Poll gives McCain lead in Fla. early voting

"Democrats are beaming that their party is outperforming the Republicans in early voting, releasing numbers Wednesday that show registrants of their party ahead 54 percent to 30 percent among the 1.4 million voters who have gone to the polls early."

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881029048

Just a little article I wrote for a local magazine. They asked how I chose writing as a profession:

http://www.hernashville.com/her/game-changer

Cute article - Presidential automobiles

http://comcast.vehix.com/automotive/Article.aspx?artid=15B000000000033&cid=44

Passages

If Bush hadn't totally screwed up the country, the youngsters and fan types wouldn't be out there greeting a savior. Even we more sedate inclined still have a little flutter over either Hillay or Barack getting in there and taking out the garbage.

CBS NYT Poll -

The Democratic nominee now leads his Republican rival by 11 percentage points, 52 percent to 41 percent, among likely voters nationwide.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/30/opinion/polls/main4559179.shtml

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obamas-powerful-phone-call.html#comment-166113
Jamie
I so totally had this happen to me today.I had a call from my aunt asking me about who she should vote for.Aunt Kathy doesn't like Obama or McCain.I told her that I was voting for Obama and not because I liked him but because the idea of more failed Republican policies and war was intolerable.I found myself going over the primary again and the media Obama love and I really started getting loud and angry again.Good news my aunt and uncle now will both vote Obama Tuesday here in Florida, so it was worth a bit of revisited anger!

Where's a plumber when you need one ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/mccain-camp-busses-in-sch_n_139300.html

These people can't even produce a prop, how can they protect of from evil doers ?

It's raining!!!!!!!!!! Most of the trees haven't lost their leaves yet, and leaves haven't even turned colors - it smells so good out there. I can't stand it.

Pass @ 6:32

Thanks for the article, but that's a "poll" ...... here's hard numbers from the Sec. of State out of Fla.

Florida
(in-person & absentee returned)

2008 Total Early Vote as of 10/30
2,872,459

Dem
46.0%
Rep
38.2%
No/Oth
15.8%

Ballot
Absentee
40.9%
In-person
59.1%

2008 Early Vote / 2004 Total Vote
37.6%

2004
% Early
(Ass.Press)
36.1%

The Republicans are losing by an 8 point gap in Fla., and there's 24 more hrs. of early voting still left.
Historically Republicans are the early voters.

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

Solar - here's another reason for you to "dislike'
Phyllis Schaffly - she used to be ...probably still is cuz why would she change... in favor of putting nuns in the old long conservatie habits.

NPR tonight said that 300,000 people a day are voting in Fla. Fla. polls will be open 12 hours tomorrow, and :

The governor's order was endorsed in Miami-Dade and Broward, the state's two most populous counties. In Dade, the weekend voting hours will be 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday, and 1-5 p.m Sunday. In Broward, the weekend hours will be 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. each day.

Every vote from now on is a new record for early voting.

wow, did i ever screw up, got my times confused and missed olbermann. somehow was thinkin it was 9pm. oh well. bet i'm in the dog house.

Does he accept groveling? He's having a ball talking to Rachel so maybe you won't be too missed.

We were discussing wind farms a couple of days ago. New problem. They can't be built where there is bat migration. Apparently the force of the air movement destroys the lungs and kills the bats.

The trouble with having the ability to change your environment is that it messes with someone or something else.

Today the Prince of Taxes, called people who did not want to pay extra taxes, and spread their wealth around selfish. Well Obama, I have a question for you. You spent 3 million dollars on an ad, that did not say anything new, why didn't you take that money, and help people, who are losing their jobs,or their homes? Then you might actually be a man of your words. But, wait I guess you just want to spread everyone else's wealth around ,not yours.

mebbe so, jamie. not sure i would if i were he. i hate to admit it, but i was in the bathtub when i was supposed to be going to the studio.

Clinton just wants to feel needed, like most people.
http://www.entertonement.com/collections/6310/Clinton-Stumps-for-Obama-in-Florida

Craig
Sorry that happened.I have done similar things also,try and explain and I'm sure all will be well.Its seems to me your nothing if not professional and I'm sure sure those who no you at NBC will understand......

$5,000 Donation to Obama Raises Questions about Investigation into Joe the Plumber

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/30/ohio-officials-5000-donation-to-obama-raises-questions-about-investigation-into-joe-the-plumber/

Patsi, I enjoyed reading your article about how you got into writing. Have you ever had any regrets? Although, I don't know why you would, you're so good at what you do. I just didn't know you were an artist too.

"Officials say Barack Obama's campaign has approached Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel about possibly serving as White House chief of staff if Obama wins the presidential election. They spoke of the contact Thursday as the marathon presidential race entered its final, frenzied stretch with a Democratic tilt."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081030/D9453QE00.html

Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff?

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081030/Campaign.Rdp/

"When did we become a police state?"

"What if I told you that we already have police check points? I’m not talking about borders. I’m not talking about sobriety check points. I’m talking about honest to goodness “let me see your papers” check points complete with dogs, up to one hundred miles from the nearest border."

Well worth reading and watching the video. See link.

http://loc.rousefamily.com/leftofcentrist/?p=1897

In the interest of future problems. REMEMBER to set you clocks backward Saturday night.

Fall Back
Fall Back
Fall Back

Note to Craig: Don't do the falling part

Bethy -hi

Every time that Schaffly was on tv, it reminded me of sister mary adrianne,,,what a nightmare, even now, once in awhile i can hear voice,looked jus
tlike that she devil schafflly,,,what i noticed about the women like schaffly( and most repulican womenon tv) was the suggested hatefulness, and how mean they could get at any given moment, very low key but watch out----thats why i like it when you yell---YIPEEEEE it's raining---i kike the rain too--as long as it does not rain on my concrete when its fresh :-((

Tony---did you pick up on the post(3-4 threads ago) that i wrote to you in regards to the cold win that i sent your way?

AP

Those 100 mile check points have existed for years. They exist both for illegal aliens (Particularly checking bus passengers) drugs, gang members and as agricultural checks to prevent certain foods and pests from entering the state.

They really are benign unless you are one of the bad guys and they serve a useful purpose. I've been through them dozens of times. People who make the trip from the border all the time are even friendly with the ICE guys they know. The Hispanics who just want to live and work don't like the gangs and drugs either.

The check points on the Nevada and Oregon points are searching mainly for contraband.

Solar - I grew up several blocks from Webster College in Webster Groves, MO. When I was pretty little and we would walk up to the Ben Franklin store (HA! we loved it!) I would always smile at the groups of nuns we passed in their black habits - Lorreto's - and they NEVER even looked at me, much less smiled. It always made me feel hurt - I was trying to be nice. Later I found out about Custody of the Eyes - now I wonder if any of those nuns was as mean as they all looked. What a stupid rule.

Hey Solar
Yes I did!! I have been dually chastened by you with the cool breezes, even this am,56 degrees! Shrinkage,yes that's a problem! HA HA.Your Bad but good,very good.I'm from Flint, Michigan but you would never know it now.I like it Hot,95 degree's is A-Ok,humidity bring it on...How's things MR?Business looking up? Tony

Bethy---everybody has a nun nightmare story---but some are pretty nice----sister may john the babtist was our favorite---she was very tall, our football couch, and loved to play practical jokes on other nuns with us----i think she was an authentic person---she gave up a very rich life to be a nun and made up for the wich in a habit.

Tony---Business is a little slow but promising for the next year, we are job sharing and it looks like it is working out,,sometimes my workers find side jobs that they share, and need my organizational help---had to let one of them go---i liked him, but he showed up drunk on the job site,,i will let him think about it for a cpl of wks, and give him another chance, but just one,,,,,thanks for asking, stay good.

Oh Patsi
Your not the only one hitting the Halloween candy, I've been on a Snickers high for two days! I bet your granddaughter will have fun in her costume....

Hey Chloe
How you doing?Hope your good! You ever watch the show Ugly Betty?Its very good and funny....

NEW THREAD

Jamie...

Did you read the article and watch the video?

Craig...

Did David Letterman fill in for you? LOL...LOL...LOL...

I don't see this as sexist, but some may - sorry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9BmNuqeiQ