Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

neither obama or mccain feel my pain

Stilted...is that a good word?

Finally, the crowd can show some expression...

spot on review Craig.

Hey Champ,

Not a Game changer! lol

Bear

Wiki on Tiller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiller

Even Bennett and Castellanos say Obama won on CNN...

Funny comment...Carville said that it's obvious that they don't cotton one another...Bennett said if that's the case can they at least show it?

No surprise Buchanan thinks McCain won though Obama showed himself well.

Obamas working the crowd...where are the McCains?

Yep, the drying paint debate.

tt

The Palin-lookalike queuing up for Obama handshake...

Thanks Jamie...I thought a tiller had something to do with farm equipment

Point well taken Craig. What are the points of these "debates" if they are sterilized and there is no opportunity for true dialogue between the candidates? This is the direction our presidential elections are headed. Sterile, boring, with little that the campaigns themselves can do to affect meaningful change for the campaigns themselves.

*L* Ivy.

tt

Didn't fix any of the serious problems. Too bad they didn't get any good sex questions, gays/abortion. It would have kept me from snoozing.

So then, what was "Tea for the Tillerman" about? (Love that album)

Here's where those endless Obama/Clinton debates are paying off. This seems like child's play compared to those bruising encounters. One more debate and then two weeks to VICTORY!

yep, I think we are all ready for a shower to rub-off that george bush smell...

Craig

The undecided, decided that they could not decide

I have a cpl of friends that are Reagan D's on the fence. I'm going to quote Jamie's oct,7,2008 pm post (if it is ok with you Jamie) to them, it's not argumentative, makes you sit up and think,they just called and said the debate sucked----did not watch all of it, nothing knew, boring.

Fox is having a tough time trying to spin this one for McCain.

Greta was speechless - and started talking some nonsense about how it didn't matter what she thought.

Bear,

You Till the ground but you use a harrow. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrow

ivy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_J6hCCQ_ng

Watch Keith Olbermann. It's good tonight.

The Tillerman

Normally, the tillerman is the man in charge of the tiller, the steersman who steers the boat. If the vessel is a ship you're more likely to have a wheel, which is in the charge of the helmsman.

The man at the wheel
Was made to feel,
Contempt for the wildest blow-ow-ow,
Though it often appeared
When the gale had cleared
That he'd been in his bunk below.

SoetorObama and Odinga together - that would be interesting. Do the Repubs have the video? What did SoetorObama say about the USA when he was in Kenya (2006)?

This would fit into the Repubs plan to take SoetorObama down:

Un-American, anti-American and even not-American.

ivy...cat also wrote The First Cut is the Deepest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBccr-aLu4I&NR=1

I always felt he was an original...

It's not Obama's Plan. Not Bush's Plan.

And it's NOT McCain's Plan.

It's Biden's Plan.

“His running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, said rich Americans should be patriotic and pay more taxes. A more idiotic statement has never been uttered! But then he also said [two weeks ago] that people in financial trouble should be able to renegotiate their interest and the principal on their housing loans. The idea of renegotiating how much you borrowed is a novel approach that should thrill the banks."

http://www.americasnewspaper.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&id=1FA5D79BDEDA4A1F87363E9CCD7E3A14&tier=4

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obama-wins-another-draw.html#comment-156188

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obama-wins-another-draw.html#comment-156190

Savoring both of those...thank you.

Early CNN Poll Numbers

Best Performance

O 54
M 30

Favorables
O 64 - 34
M 51 - 46

The GOP was ripping Biden for that idea. And now some of them will jump on the McCain bandwagon.

Some conservatives will reject "McCain's Plan" - which is not McCain's plan.

Oh God, there's another debate? What's the point?

I actually think McCain did well, despite his nervousness. He floated a lot of ideas, though it sounded like he was pulling everything he possibly could out of his posterior. Obama did really poorly, but not poorly enough to make any difference.

Terrible debate. Mr Brokaw and company did a disservice to the candidates by not allowing the town meeting to in fact be one.

GORDO, you can doctor up audio on video. Not reliable evidence of anything. Got something else ?

"That one" getting attention...That One may be a Big One...disrespectful and dismissive...very no-class moment for McCain.

Craig..C –

You and George Steph (ABC news sometimes good) have to much in common…. Beyond your Carter days the Dem blood has pooled in your vision

Craig, MSM and bush haters are so blinded and the CNN polls.
The unofficial Fl Poll shows McCain improved.

The Next Debate will turn the corner as experience says do not peak to soon.

McCain will tell Obama and the Country will understand that HEY BARACK you are not running against Bush....... And in fact you are the dangerous one. Barack you are more of the same.....

The other tell tale is HOW FAST the MSM came to declare Obama the winner… OH MY what a rush….. Thank God they are not the American People

Ivy Green --- McCain was working the crowd but the camera for some reason could not shake the tingle up its leg for Obamination

Biden:

"What's caused this is the failure to have regulation so that, in fact -- John talks about these CEOs getting these big bailout packages. Well, why didn't he support the legislation we have been proposing that says that if you're going to declare bankruptcy, you've got to throw the CEO in the mix as well as everybody else? Why didn't he support the proposals that we have to allow in bankruptcy a federal bankruptcy judge to renegotiate the principal of your mortgage? "

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/17/132815/331

CNN is playing up the fact that Cindy McCain didn't shake the hands of either Obama and that both McCain's left the stage early.

Rezdog---------------

This is not new info - hints have been put out for months. We will know soon.

FACT -- NOW We know why Obama did not want to debate McCain in Town Hall.

McCain will improve in Florida - No Doubt

The people will not listen to the MainStreamEntertainment networks. God thay have been so Bad after the debate -
Which validates McCain

Hey GORDO,

What about Bill Ayers? That's the ticket you need to expose. Or maybe Tony Rezko. Have you got anything about him?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obama-wins-another-draw.html#comment-156199

Flatus, i must defend Brokaw -- this format was what the campaigns wanted. This is the problem with media figures agreeing to moderate these debates -- and why i wish they wouldn't do it under these conditions. The moderator gets blamed for trying to enforce the rules that the campaigns had insisted upon, even though it's the candidates who try to break their own rules. An impossible situation for the moderator. When this happens, the moderator ought to say, "OK guys, you don't want to follow the rules that your aides forced upon me? Fine. From here on there are no rules. Start debating."

McCain's Plan?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/emortgage

Sept. 24, 2008 - in an article - not written by McCain.

Bear- Get TIVO CNN IS WRONG - I just replayed it and on the ABC feed she was warm to Sen Obama

CNN is wrong.... AGAIN Hey was it Racheal

Obama shook Cindy's hand.

I am looking forward to the audience on the next debate. It's in NYC, I think. So much for these boring Volunteers.

One of my republican's friends has as his facebook status

"I would have bought a bigger house had I known McCain would by my mortgage"

lol

Fred Thompson on Fox doesn't look so hot tonight...

I rewound it...Cindy didn't shake Michelle's hand.

okay...now that the debate cameras are off, it will be back to poop slinging on the trail.

Good night all...plenty of material for night terrors. I think the plan of McCain and Obama is to put us all to sleep so we don't care about the massive problems.

"OK guys, you don't want to follow the rules that your aides forced upon me? Fine. From here on there are no rules. Start debating."

Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 7, 2008 11:17 PM

That would be awesome... no time limit; let it go all night or until both candidates say, "Ok, let's call it a night".

I'm sure the National Review guy who thought Gov. Palin was winking at him is dreaming of a cat fight next...at least there would be some emotion in that contest.

Me was wrong (as far as I can tell from far away) in saying before McCain is extrovert...he's also an introvert...in his case, the name-mixing up is less age-related forgetfulness, and more an introverted trait. I say both Prez candidates are intro- while both VP candidates are extro- for whatever that's worth...

Craig --- You still there.

Then DEFEND why a true Journalist would delcare a WINNER in the first 30 words following the debate...

That is BS - That is NO JOURNALIST

George S - now a loser-- I think you know him and in general I have always liked his style but tonight - he is way out of line

Defend JOURNALIST talking more about how some one looked vs digging into policy and the facts which are only found in historical votes and actions not words just words

I await....

Craig,

Why is it that only the Republicans are standing in front of candidate signs in the spin room, or is fox in a different spot?

what is all this crap about McCain not working the crowd afterwards? i watched him doing so on CSPAN. they didn't leave right away

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obama-wins-another-draw.html#comment-156203

I stand corrected...

Craig - That is CNN, MSN(oBama)C, networks

THIS IS MY POINT

Thank you

"what is all this crap about McCain " By Craig Crawford

It is the Distraction of FACTS - which does no one any good.

We are in trouble as a Nation

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/obama-wins-another-draw.html#comment-156223

Mea culpa again...

I'd just like to mention that presidential debates are now, by virtue of the BI-partisan, as opposed to non-partisan, "Commission on Presidential Debates." As you probably know, these guys usurped power over the debates from the League of Women Voters, who had the temerity to not take any shit from the two parties. So, because they insisted on fairness and openness -- such as a greater willingness to allow third party candidates -- they were marginalized and this new corporation managed exclusively by the Democrat and Republican parties, took control. The Wikipedia entry is quite informative.

I guess I was watching the wrong channel (MSNBC) which focused on the Obamas (of course).

"KEATING ECONOMICS: John McCain & The Making of a Financial Crisis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_922988

Too bad Obama didn't give the link to this.

tt

Those "insta-reax" meters, which I haven't even seen, just the concept of them being broadcast simultaneously on the screen with the debate, REALLY piss me off big time. I'm trying to find a citation of that experiment Jamie.

Seems like the Pegler guy that Palin quoted about small town values also talked about Robert F. Kennedy, saying as RFK contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/governor-palins-reading-l_b_126478.html

Puts in perspective the talk about Obama being a traitor and the kill him exhortations at Republican rallies now...

I suspect that the Rodney King riots will seem like a pillow fight in comparison were they to get their wish.

It is the actions of the Main Street Entertainers (in the role of MSM) that are so idiotically driven by the commercialization of their networks and personal drive that cause someone like me to go off the deep end – They are only lower then the Government now in place

I am sorry but what happened to true Journalism -- I think it died with Frank Reynolds.

Craig – You can save the day and my sanity !

Posted by: Mike Farrace Author Profile Page | October 7, 2008 11:28 PM

Right on, Mike.

"Craig --- DEFEND why a true Journalist would delcare a WINNER -- posted by Ping Pong"

it's my political analysis, ping -- which is ALL i do. McCain needed an overwhelming victory to change the political course of this race, and he didn't get it. Therefore, Obama wins by not losing. I never address the question of who OUGHT to win debates, or elections. My self-established job description is only to say who IS winning. Nothing more, even when I think the one who ought to win isn't.

Sorry -- my first sentence on that last post was incomplete. What I meant to say was, the debates are now completely controlled by the two major parties, which explains all the goofy rules and illogical constraints. Nobody wants to commit a gaffe, even though the people would rather wade through some gaffes and mistakes and get to the true nature of the candidates' positions.

Here's your "insta-reax" B.S. Basic pyschology; 50 year-old studies.

Asch conformity experiments

The Asch conformity experiments, which were published in the 1950s, were a series of studies that starkly demonstrated the power of conformity in groups.

...It is important to note that the questions asked in this study were very easy. In a control group, with no pressure to conform to an erroneous view, only 1 subject out of 35 ever gave an incorrect answer. However, when surrounded by individuals all voicing an incorrect answer, participants provided incorrect responses on a high proportion of the questions (37%). 75% of the participants gave an incorrect answer to at least one question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments

The thing that both parties do not realize is that with an economy like this, no one wants to hear their bullsh*t......

The spinners would be well advised to ease up on the bullsh*t charges........there are factual differences between these two candidates.....let's stick to those instead of rumor mongering and belittling.

A cheap shots by McCain on hair plugs......was very telling of his character. (imo) not my kind of person...."that one" did McCain actually mean that "black guy over there without a name"....what was McCain trying to accomplish with that?

Obviously, my bias shows, but I do believe that these issues need to be considered. If for nothing more then an creating a working idea of mutual respect.

Don't you guys feel like it's finally OK for a candidate to talk turkey? If the Internet has done one thing, it's empowered people to seek and find. I am convinced it is this very thing that has inoculated Obama, in particular, from the Rovian tactics of 2000 and 2004. I remember back when I was an ecommerce executive for a retailer in the '90s that all the consultancies were saying that the Internet would become like an appliance -- used everyday and taken for granted. Finally, it has happened. People can find out things, and the truth will set you free.

Craig,

As such a fan of Machiavelli, what is it in McCain that leads you to conclude he's the one who ought to win? I think Niccolo would look at Obama much more favorably than Sen. McCain.

Ping,

In an age where impressions and visuals matter more than policy positions, how could you not conclude that McCain failed.

The first question was a stump speech for McCain, Obama used it as a teaching moment.

The second questioner, the black guy, McCain talked down to him, the you never heard of fannie or freddie before this, implying if he even owned a house it was subprime...McCain forgot his name. I don't remember Obama's answer but he appeared more empathetic.

McCain still gives off an air of anger that he wasn't just handed the keys to the white house. He clearly shows a contempt for his opponent that the skilled politicians I have seen hide it better. The only time I remember Reagan being that grumpy is in NH in 1980 when he was paying for the microphone and when he was yelling at commies.

I heard in France they had one of those no-holds barred marathon debates.

C. Amanpour said it was fascinating.

Senator McCain scored a few points, initially, in that he addressed the questioners by name, something Senator Obama did not do until late in the "debate."

Senator McCain lost points, however, because almost each time he told a lie, he said "my friends." And I quickly grew tired of hearing that tired old snake oil salesman-like phrase.

And Senator McCain's snide dismissal of Senator Obama was unbecoming, revealing his mean, little nature.

but hey, Ping, i thought Palin won her debate and apparently polls proved me wrong. so maybe polls will vindicate McCain on this one. i just call what i see -- but i am due for a new eyeglass prescription

I agree with the posters who think the knob-turning is pure crap. I'll tell you where that came from -- a marketing guy who said, "hey, we're showing the same stuff as the other guy. What can we do to suck in the audience." That's all it is.

Power of Conformity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGo3OeVzSMM&feature=related

Keith wasn't watching C-Span either.

Warren -- Yeah, exactly. What we need is a debate modeled after the prize fights of the '20s and '30s -- a knock down, drag out battle with unlimited rounds that ends when somebody's face hits the mat.

Warren,

At those French debates, do the candidates bring their wives and mistresses or just wives? lol

Tiptoe, and people with open minds not blinded by hate for Bush…

Like the Internet one can buy a Domain, Place Crap on Wikipedia, or create a video - regardless of facts.

The Fact is Keating is like the runners of Freddie and Fannie which points to the DEMS AGAIN. If the American People can get the facts this will back fire.

Be Careful- the actions which drove to the political and Social Policy over riding sound fiscal policy is the burden of the DEMS – Chris D, Barney F and watch out OBAMA is the owner of continuing that FAILED FISCAL POLICY.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM

The accounting Fraud pointed to in your slanders attempt will point to 3 DEMS.

TIPTOE the Obama forces might get by with this if people do not get all of the facts. This is a continuation of the Obamination of this election.

McCain is the only candidate to call for strict enforcement today –

"What's the difference between O.J. Simpson and Clay Aiken? O.J.'s not coming out any time soon!" - Jay Leno

I think it's much more insidious Mike. I usually do.

Ping,

Community Reinvestment Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Relation_to_2008_financial_crisis

" i thought Palin won her debate and apparently polls proved me wrong."

It was the Sally Field on the surfboard image that got to you.

You forgot to get your anti-cute vaccination.

First murder/suicide I've heard of during this recession. Here comes the 1930's again.

"6 Die Family murder-suicide Los Angeles"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZciOn5yt28

tt

Pong what you fail to realize, as do many others is the reason Obama keeps winning these debates is because the public wants to him win. American has rejected the GOP party and they just want to know it's "ok" to vote for Obama. Obama has now shown twice that he has the makings of a president. That's all Obama has to do to win at this point, come off presidental.

Relax Ping. Panic doesn't suit you.

Craig and all - Tonight the Ping wins..
I had Catfish, Greens, cornbread and some good wine for dinner!!!

My point for Journalist – not Editorial writers – is to get the facts.
All of the reviews I saw jumped so fast to kiss Barack Obama with superficial elements it made me sick

This does not happen –
Hey George S – Tell my why you think Obama won based on substance – not on hokie pokie bla bla…

By the way – I still think GS is one of the better ones out there – he was just allowing his natural self to be exposed

well, folks, i've had enough. enjoyed debate debating with ya. as a parting gift for our McCain fans, take heart -- this race is bound to tighten again. i well remember the kerry boom during debate season. one thing we've learned in the prez biz: winning debates does not win elections

tt

A 90 year old woman shot her self to death because she was about to lose her home of approx 40 years - Ohio

sorry to say, this is just the beginning

IMO McCain may have also tamped down the enthusiasm of his base by proposing "yet another bailout". How do you think the talk radio crowd tomorrow morning will be reacting to another 300 billion to buy up bad mortgages?

Thanks, Craig.

Champ -- I wish I was smarter because I feel deeply that all Americans should have a realistic shot at owning a home and I can't figure out how we can make this a reality. I think the Community Reinvestment Act is a good thing at its core. Think about it -- people are born, they live their lives and then they die. Is it so crazy to think that, with all the abundance in our land, we as a group of liberated and intelligent people could at least create a social system where people who do their part can be provided a reasonable way to buy a place to live that is theirs for life?

Bear -
I think when the ausie ballet comes around - People will share McCains Anger.

I am Angry - I have studied the issue and worked to get the facts which today is very difficult. So who knows what I am working with... But the theme for our Country to improve is
FIRST no easy button SORRY
Second - the current Government - REP And DEM have grossly failed us. We Can NOT allow this failed policy to continue, and every fact and indication is Barack is this same policy. I do not think him to be evil, I think he is naïve and wears rose color glasses

Why are you old time Barack supporters not pissed at him as he has shifted a country mile, He agrees more with John McCain now then ever

Yes, unlikely_burrito, unfortunately this is only the beginning.

tt

Not good news for McCain. Of course, I knew that before the debate.

Good night Craig

Thank you for the debate site. tonight.

Couldn't agree more, Mike. Here's the problem. If you, or anyone else, could own a home and some property free and clear for the rest of your days, you'd be free, and not beholden to the government, and that's the last thing government wants. Government needs you to be a slave, and the chains that bind you are property taxes and debt. It really is as simple as that.

Most Americans think they own a home when really they own a mortgage. There in lies a difference of reality. Home "ownership" reported....BS....that was home loans reported....

Until true becomes facts, nothing will change or improve.

Have a wonderful evening...oh my it's tomorrow....ciao!

U_birrito.
Why would a home owner of 40 years have a debt? More to the story.

If a bad loan - then shame on trying to not hold Dems with some accountability.

"Retirement Savings Lose $2 Trillion in 15 Months"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100703358.html?hpid=topnews

We ole folks will never be able to live long enough to make up the loss.

tt

Not to beat this dead horse, but Keith and Pat B are saying McCain left the hall early, to the chagrin of audience who wanted to interact with him...small things can matter...

AIG sent it's execs to a resort south of L.A. after the bailout???

i always install java updates bear

Champ -- Well said. I don't have a problem with the taxes, though -- a necessary evil. Plus, the prop taxes are always county or city and, Lord knows, those pay for things we really use, rather than stupid wars, stupid bridges and "rescues" which include week-long holidays at fancy-ass spas.

What does the ausie ballet have to do with this?

Tiptoe,

Isn't that $2 trillion in 15 days?

Thanks Mike. Have a good night.

Woman who shot herself in Ohio story below.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/03/eviction.suicide.attempt/index.html

Arevederchi, you all. Fun spending time with you.

Gramps just threw Palin under the bus. Left her hanging.
The beauty queen's been grubbing around hammering on Ayers et al all week and Gramps didn't even go there. What a let down. He better get himself a food taster.

Just install it, they don't take up that much space.

Me too, Mike and all...bye for now...

Bear:

Craig never revealed who he thought should win tonight's debate. He was speaking generally.

(We all know Craig's in the tank for Obama after that initial MSNBC special...hah!! Just kidding. I gave Craig a lot of shit during the Primary for being in the tank for Clinton - but that was because I am in the tank for Obama.)

Bear, that's just the headline. I dunno.

tt

champ, even if a person owns a house outright, they still owe yearly taxes which are always in the thousands.

tt

Funny (ha ha) that McCain's first choice for Treasury is an Obama supporter.

Thanks anon for the link.

tt

French Debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R54Jq3D7Ck

Wow...Royal is hot!!

It went 2 hours and 40 minutes.

http://www.beauxvoyages.com/Articles/French-Presidential-Debate.html

haha tt! Yeah right.

i said that Tip, part of the point I was making.

gawd yes...as soon as it was over I told my wife that this debate was much more boring than any Gore/Bush or Kerry/Bush debate...I was longing for the days of the "concealed transponder" wired to Bush's back...tonight, the whole thing just followed form...but when McCain again praised the "success of the surge" , I wished that Obama would have just quoted Frank Rich's remarks of a week or two ago in which Rich wrote something about calling for praise for one's self after fixing something which your actions and advocacy of actions broke in the first place.

Ping:

Why did Obama win on substance?

Foreign Policy.

Obama presented a way forward. He takes a comprehensive approach that puts the focus back on the war on terrorism and rebuilding our alliances. Becuase of his opposition to the Iraq War - unpopular both here and aboad. Obama will immediately "turn the page" on Bush.

McCain demonstrated that he is obsessed with Iraq and his attempt to "speak softly" is belied by his record, his nature and his worldview.

What it comes down to with Mr. McSame is greed. In order for there to be more money available to him, he has to kill off others who would grab a handful. By keeping the war going, he kills off our soldiers. By dropping taxes, he cuts money needed to repair our infrastructure, so more bridges collapse and more people die. Meanwhile, with him in the White House, he could siphon off money just as Bush did, shrugging his shoulders when pressed on the point of the disappearing billions that no one can account for.

craig already commented on this , but I want to weigh in also...McCain,Obama and their wives stuck around a helluva long time schmoozing and shaking hands and posing for many photos shot with the people's cell phone cameras.
i wondered why they stayed so long; they had had plenty of time to speak to everyone present...where did anybody get the idea any of them cut out early? This is an outrage. It was all there on CSpan....

Champ,

tt is right on. You need to move to the rez away from all those issues.

BUt find yourself with a whole new set. lol

OR move to AK with Sarah Palin as the goverrnator.

McCain has plenty of money.

I think he does put Country First. The only problem is that he thinks that doubling down on the same failed policies of the last 8 years will improve our circumstances.

Well not exactly the same - he will make sure we don't fund any more studies re: the mating habits of bears...
But that is not the kind of fundamental change this Country needs right now.

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama made strides toward easing voters' concerns about his candidacy in Tuesday night's debate. John McCain, despite raising pointed questions about his rival's readiness, didn't create the game-changing moment he'll need between now and Election Day.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/ap_on_el_pr/debate_analysis

warren,

Of everyone here, you make the strongest yet most reasonable/rational arguments for your candidate, and do it consistently. In my opinion, of course. Nice job.

Gracias.

I have been following Obama for awhile. Ever since he made that 2004 speech - I have been making sure to catch him whenever he was on Charlie Rose or MTP.

And he is one of the most intelligent and gifted politicians out there.

He also has a lot of intangible qualities that no candidate can match. Huge grassroots movement, ability to energize (and organize) a whole new generation re: politics, and he will be the first black President. Which says a lot about the state of Democracy in America (as we are try to spread this throughout the world).

Careful Warren! Champ is like a venus fly trap, entices with a sweet smell and then traps you in it's deadly clutches.

I'm not scared.

Polls at MSNBC, CBS, USA Today, CNN, Forbes, and the Wall Street Journal all say Obama won....by margins from 76-20% to 52-48%. Of the six polls, only one was anywhere near close.

I think Fox was about 86% to 12% for McCain.

But what struck me - was the lack of energy in the GOP partisan guests. They all seemed a bit defeated. Of course Hannity was still fired up - but Robert Gibbs really got under his skin. It was pretty good.

Given Hannity some of his own "guilt by association" medicine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/robert-gibbs-confronts-ha_n_132842.html

Posted by: warren Author Profile Page | October 8, 2008 1:06 AM

You lost me there, but duly noted.

I hear ya champ. The intangibles don't play well with all crowds.

But he is damn smart!!

It was sad. McCain just needs to retire and go back to AZ with the good wishes of a grateful nation.

good night all.

Less than a month away from Nov. 4.

Rez

That is why I hope he does not take the "gloves off" and go dirty. I don't think it will be enough to win - and will only tarnish his image.

But he probably will. Americans will forgive and forget.

Criag
I wonder why you have not posted a comment on the latest BUZZ regarding Nancy Pelosi Video that NBC & SNL pulled from their website for a number of hours and then returned they only problem is that the "CENSORED" the video it is not longer the same as what appeared live on saturday.

Now i am sure you and your fellow reporters and bloggers would be on in "FINGERS" if they did that to a SNL Sarah Palin Video.

Come on Criag checl it out and comment

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

Asian Stocks Tumble After Wall Street Drop

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/business/09markets.html?hp

Man, I see that

Damn, no internet news about Asia markets yet

cnn is reporting on it live right now Rez, i'm off to bed, night.

later

My Republican brother-in-law has asked me to stop sending him materials comparing Obama and McCain.
Why?
He is voting for Obama.

Independents are moving toward Obama as well.

McCain is turning into a 72 year-old baby seal.

McCain lost ..... the "That one" comment is his legacy of this night.

http://www.thatone08.com/

I think we need to evaluate our candidates on something other than debates if they are going to be so self-serving. Of course, I never got anything much from them anyway, but it's obvious these have not been productive. Too bad since so many look forward to them.

Has anybody counted how many one and two day stories there have been? In the long run I suspect most people make their choices according to their leanings, not because one guy said something and the other said no he didn't.

KGC - the only sound I hear is the river a couple of hundred feet away. We figure Sonora Pass was probably closed for a few hours Saturday in the rain/snow - or did I already say that?