Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

More cowbell

Speaking of agendas can someone explain this to me ?

"Where does a lot of that earmark money end up, anyway? [...] You've heard about, um, these -- some of these pet projects they really don't make a whole lot of sense, and sometimes these dollars they go to projects having little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not!"

Sarha Palin her October 24th speech on special-needs children

Not that anyone on this site would do something so ridiculous, but for the guy with the Palin H'ween "decoration" on his house

a) shame on you

b) you're not helping/promoting "the unity" candidate

What is wrong with people?

I'll give you this, Anselm. I think women were blindsided by the viciousness of the attacks.

Mean while back at the EPA & the Interior Dept.

With time short, Bush pushes EPA to relax power-plant rule

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/54841.html

Green light for changes to endangered list
Interior Department assessment finds no big negatives; activists angry

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27407328/

Republicans have a death wish. Democrats could have saved a lot of campaign money if they had known the Republicans were going to be "the stupid" this year.

"The Republican: Arguably, Kirk Schuring’s strongest weapon is the endorsement of retiring Rep. Ralph Regula, the second-longest-serving Republican member of the House. The 83-year-old’s endorsement has a lot of clout in this district. Schuring, a state senator, narrowly won the GOP primary. Since then, a series of financial questions have eroded his favorability ratings. He raised $130,000 for an exploratory committee when considering replacing Regula, well over the FEC’s $5,000 limit, and had $5,000 in tax liens. Schuring also alienated his political base in Canton, Ohio, when he joked at a rally that if he held an event in Canton, he might get shot at."

I am so happy -- a Democrat will be representing this District.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/27/down-the-homestretch-ohios-16th-district-open-seat/

Way to go , George, forget everything you've heard or read (OK, heard) about climate change - go brown. Moron.

If Ak's had their way, "Uncle Ted" would be our Senator forever. As I posted before, I was talking to a friend from the Phillipines , and she told me how much the poorer peoples LOVED the Marco's. Because even though the Marcos were stealing the country blind, they gave geniously to charities, and built several "free schools" and hospitals for the poor. You ask most people up here about Ted Stevens, and the first thing that will come out of their mouths is "But he's done so much for this state."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165081

Bridge to nowhere, perhaps?

If stupidity was gold, Palin would never have to shop that consignment store again.

rosie, he certainly did. He's Ak's Bob Byrd. Of course Bob wasn't so stupid.

Well, so much for good economic news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/business/economy/29econ.html?hp

Consumer confidence at record low level.

I think he was feeling a little bullet-proof.

"With time short, Bush pushes EPA to relax power-plant rule"

God only knows what back room deals will be made between Novembet and January.

CQ makes headlines in Ohio
CQ Politics re-rates the race for Ohio's 16th
By David DeWitt, PolitickerOH.com Reporter

Congressional Quarterly Politics has re-rated the race for Ohio's 16th Congressional District from "No Clear Favorite" to "Leans Democratic."

http://www.politickeroh.com/daviddewitt/cq-politics-re-rates-race-ohios-16th

Shrub should walk away November 5th (taking Dick with him) and not do anything else. He is the opposite of Midas

Pogo,
Consumer confidence at an all time low.....That is by far the best indicator I have that this is the time to buy into the market...... Smart money always acts against the herd.

KGC,
Are you kiddin me...the current congress needs him to shield them in case they have to make some more bonehead crisis recovery moves.....:)

Jax-Ubi-soft and Ubi-soft/Montreal. Some of the hottest and best video games are coming from them.

Video games are a great play....no doubt....very recession proof....

"God only knows what back room deals will be made between Novembet and January."

Patsi..... Diane Rehm's second hour was about that topic.....

it was stated that Clinton made many regulatory changes during his last days in office..... but many of them had been in the pipe works for months and were reviewed by experts beforehand.....

OTOH.... Bush is pushing forth new regulations over night before experts have a chance to discuss them.....

it should be noted that Bush wanted to get rid of many of Clinton's last changes, but was successful at overturning only 3% of them.....
god only knows what havoc the Bush/Cheney cabal will wreak in these last months.....

Mid-range resturants also. TGIFridays, Chili's , Outback Steakhouse. As a longtime waitress, I can tell you these places are very recession proof, too.
When the economy is soft, people who would normally go to Sulllivans or Simon and Seaforts go to Outback or Lone Star. When it's all good, people who would normally go to Denny's, go to Applebee's instead.

Renee -- Yes, these next few months will be treacherous. I just pray that the new administration digs deep to find the executive order type changes that have been quietly going on for the past eight years. AND that the new president is willing to put a stop to the executive power grab already in place.

@patsi-especially that tricky one about whether VP is executive or legislative or both according to whose ass it covers.

jax, probably good advice.

rosie, VP is executive - Legislative role is ceremonial except in case of a tie.

Jax

If the Democratic wave (flash flood) happens, this Congress is done. The Democrats will wait until the next session to do anything. Shrub should pack up and start practicing German or Spanish -whatever they speak where he is going.

Whatever policy decisions need to be made in the next two months, Nancy P can do it.

If Obama just goes back to 2000 in terms of the constitution etc, - his administration will still be a success.

But wasn't that part of Cheney's argument during the, I think it was the Libby thing, that he didn't have to turn over papers 'cos he was also part of the legislative? I thought he used that to stonewall on something like that.

He made the argument, it was rejected. The executive privilege exception was applied.

KGC,
I'm just trying to point out that during this latest crisis the congressional leadership and Bush have been in lock-step. You watch.....when people really start to analyze this knee jerk gov't response they are going to realize that we were all taken.....then everyone will point to Bush and completely forget how complicit this current congress was....just wait....it won't take long

"Shrub should walk away November 5th (taking Dick with him) and not do anything else."

kgc, how about right now, this very minute?

p & vp, just quietly slip out the back door, no questions asked. you can even keep the swiss bank acct.

Jax

No argument here. Only Congress has a lower approval rating -except - no one blames their own rep -it's always the other guy. I thought Congress did not do its job during the recent crisis. Only Henry Waxman has been seriously pursuing discussions of the causes (and government's role) of the economic crisis. Congress AGAIN allowed Shrub -the worst president ever- to stampede them into an action that benefited a few. I have no respect for Congress except for a few. I thought Senator Shelby was good. The House republicans may have had some good points, but on balance whatever they did was for political advantage -the House Republicans are the worst. I hope they all lose.

Patd,
It's nice to think that we could put it all behind us. Do you think that this new kinder and gentler congress will allow that......I don't think so.....I think it will drag on....hearings....subpeonas.....they'll do no more real business than they did before.....

p & vp, just quietly slip out the back door, no questions asked. you can even keep the swiss bank acct.

Posted by: patd | October 28, 2008 2:26 PM

We should send notes to the Whitehouse telling Shrub -it's ok to leave early - no one will mind.

KGC,
Well maybe they were but I can say that during this last
crisis the blue dogs and some repubs were the only voice of reason. Regardless of the motives it was the right thing to do. I just wish that they hadn't caved in.....

While we all were waiting for then next poll -

The Earth is in the midst of the sixth mass extinction of both plants and animals, with nearly 50 percent of all species disappearing, scientists say.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081020171454.htm

I know i've been doing my best to wipe out this damn species of ants at my warehouse....where are those damn scientists when i need them...

Regardless of the outcome of the pres. election, the Congress should consider only those bills backed by Bushco that it deems vital to national security (including the economy), and to the extent that they take the country down a road contrary to that set out by Obama, the bills should never make it to the floor.

btw, we had our first snow of the season today - didn't stick of course, but an annoyance nonetheless. Plus, we're gonna freeze our keisters off at LP's soccer game tonight.

jax, yep, all the good bug killers have been banned.

pogo ------------------------

".. show me one example of a forged BC successfully submitted to obtain a passport."

If the forged BC was successfully submitted, it would not be known that the BC was forged.

The "best" crime is the crime that goes undetected.

"that he didn't have to turn over papers 'cos he was also part of the legislative? I thought he used that to stonewall on something like that."

I thought the same thing, Rosie...

Pogo -- are we sure Cheney hasn't pulled a lot more power than it appears at first glance?

"We should send notes to the Whitehouse telling Shrub -it's ok to leave early - no one will mind."

ROFL! Excellent idea, KGC.

"The "best" crime is the crime that goes undetected."

Dick Cheney

"The "best" crime is the crime that goes undetected."

Gordo -- I have a great project for you. Investigate McCain's possible 1964 car accident.

You know things are bad when this is the best endorsement McCain can trot out for the press to meet...

McCain gains backing of Joe the Plumber

By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer – 3 mins ago

COLUMBUS, Ohio – "Joe the Plumber endorsed Republican John McCain for president on Tuesday and agreed that a vote for Democratic candidate Barack Obama would be "a vote for the death of Israel.".....

"...Fame brought media scrutiny to Wurzelbacher, who turned out to be an unlicensed plumber with unpaid back taxes."

Poor John....

Look at the bright side. Once this election is over, Gordo can go back to mowing the grassy knoll for clues.

Patsi -- I have a great project for you. Investigate SoetorObama's 1981 trip to Pakistan.

Cheney has done a remarkable job of stonewalling the investigations - including "losing" about a year's worth of e-mails - and let me tell you, that's hard to do these days. But it is my recollection that the legislative privilege claim was rejected.

Ah, the perfect crime, at last. Gordo, your rantings have become a joke. Now who's making excuses? Lack of evidence proves that the crime either was not committed or that if the crime was committed the evidence of the crime has eluded detection. Either way, your argument boils down to the innuendo and nothing else that it has always been. Let's try again - show me one instance where a forged or altered birth certificate was used to obtain a passport, then was discovered to have been improperly used (hint, you probably can't - INS doesn't keep the BC). Look, you don't seem to understand that I'm not saying what did or didn't happen - I'm saying that you don't have any evidence that what you're saying happened actually happened.

Jamie / Pogo

I think we need more cowbell

I know one thing for sure, these last eight years have made Chris Matthews very....sensitive about the roll of the VP.

TMP has a great chart of where things stand compared to 2000 and 2004.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/_rcp_2004result_2004rcp_now.php

Gordo-I'm sure you could find out ton's of shady stuff about Cheney. Do him for a while. You are good at digging stuff up and I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for most of it.

One would think that Cindy McKinney would be running stronger in her home state of Georgia.

And the vote for the "hottest" Senatorial candidate goes to Scott Kleeb. WOW. Hell, I'd vote for him even if he was a Repug.... Excuse me while I take my pulse.

http://www.theseminal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/kleeb1.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27297066@N05/2851487631/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165131

Jamie, I think GORDO will continue his life's ambition of trying to present Barack Obama as the ultimate Manchurian Candidate and push the idea of having him arrested as a secret CYLON agent sent here to infiltrate Planet Earth... The tin foil antennae must come in handy!

yeah but Cynthia McKinney was a controversial politician even in her own Congressional District which is quite liberal. I am not at all surprised to see her doing poorly in Georgia, though I would be curious to know how she is doing in her former Congressional district.

ET-What about Rom Emmanuel? He has those bedroom eyes. "sigh"

Yes, Patsi, you've been invited on a voyage of discovery - to try and discover what Gordo already claims to know. And without even the courtesy of providing a convenient link. You might start your journey at Larry Johnson's NoQuarter site - it may be the epicenter of the SoetorObama universe. Have a nice trip.

The Fix by Chris Cillizza

Should Republicans Cut Bait?

With each passing day the political outlook seems to worsen for Republicans.

Barack Obama appears to be consolidating his electoral college edge over John McCain while Republicans are playing defense in the Senate and the House. Neutral observers are now predicting Republican losses of eight or more seats in the Senate and 20-plus seats in the House.

Faced with such a dire landscape, David Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush and now a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, penned an op-ed in the Post's Outlook section on Sunday that made the case that the party must throw McCain over the side to save itself.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/should_republicans_cut_bait.html?hpid=topnews

The suggestion by Frum is basically "if you're winning, you're a good Republican> If you aren't, we'll toss you under the bus"... It's too bad that there is that little loyalty shown to the current party leader.

Polls show Obama making big gains with Jewish voters

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15611&Itemid=86

rosie, Emmanuel is a cool guy... but Scott... someone help me register quick in Nevada... :-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165147

I'd rather do an LSD trip that the treacherous route you are suggesting POGO.... and no I don't do drugs...

The VP is the President of the Senate, i.e., the presiding officer. The title implies that the incumbent can preside over sessions when that individual wishes. Implicit in presiding is recognizing speakers and applying rules as to when a member is out-of-order. That implies a more meaningful role than a mandatory presence when the electoral votes are being opened and when a tie-breaker is needed.

The vice president is not allowed to preside when the president is being tried. Quite logical as the presidency devolves to the vice president. That would most certainly result in a conflict of interest.

I can understand why a president would not want the VP as part of the legislature--something about keeping one's enemies close at hand. Perhaps that's one of the reasons why the VP's senatorial presence is not often imposed.

And, it's clear from the separation of powers imposed by the Constitution that the vice president can not be an active member of both the executive branch and the legislature. So, to my reading, if a vice president should insist on strong prerogatives as the Senate's presiding officer, the individual would forfeit any day-to-day role in the executive branch.

My thoughts are guided by Article I, Section 3, and Article II, Section 1:
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm

*UCK MLB
IMPEACH SELIG

Palin to Release Medical Information Early This Week

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-to-releas.html

?@champ

pogo -----------

"... I'm saying that you don't have any evidence that what you're saying happened actually happened."

The evidence is that SoetorObama refuses to show the American people the SAME BC that he used to obtain a passport. A hardcopy BC would be closely examined. The TRUTH would be revealed.

Why go into Federal court to fight a request to see a certified hardcopy BC? Because he dare not show the TRUTH. It's all about his "hidden" past.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165143

I'm not much for Battlestar Galactica, can I call David Tennant and the blue police box instead? If he is unavailable how about Capt. Jack and Torchwood?

ET

Speaking of Barrowman, have you seen his new video "What About Us?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBe22HYEbe0

Bud Selig, the "commissioner" of Major League Baseball. He and Fox (Newscorp) have officially ruined baseball. Again.

Patsi and other female,

When Hillary was treated with such ill regard by her own party during the primary, we Republicans knew what was in store for Sarah Palin. If you were going to eat your own alive, what treatment would befall the enemy? I found this story in the Philadelphia Inquirer written by a feminist that goes to my very point of females losing the battle of respect. When you sit idly by and accept abuse of one of your own, just because you view her as 'one of them', then don't complain when you become the target of such abuse.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/33319499.html

Night three did it with the half-hour delay followed by incredibly bad field conditions and lousy umpiring. Supposedly TV viewership was the lowest in World Series history.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165153

Tom, good decision.

Gordo, because he was sued there - he didn't go to federal court to fight anything, he wasa dragged there. You are a legal naif. Failure to produce what YOU think is damning is not proof of ANYONE'S guilt (using criminal terms, but you get the drift). Consider this for one moment - there are 2 individuals (actually there were about 15 or even more at one time) whose standing probably would have passed muster in Berg's suit and who would, if the suit were successful, stand to benefit directly if Berg's allegations were true. Many of them are lawyers. Why do you suppose none of them joined in that suit? Surely if there were any potential merit to the suit, at least ONE of them would have taken a shot.

patsi, you should take gordo up on his invite to '81 pakistan visit. the articles in the pakistani/arab news that google found were pretty fascinating reading with or without an interest in bho.
only trouble is the feeling that somebody/ies out there lurking over your shoulder while perusing those links. and who knows how many cookies my computer consumed on the trip.
'course if you just wait awhile there'll be a book or two released sometime around inauguration... money to be made by long lost friends and relatives coming out of the woodwork. to say nothing of the inevitable malcontent or spurned sycophant from the campaign seeking venegence. ahh, the human condition.

That's OK, Flatus. Selig has taught a young but dwindling generation of baseball fans that the game is rigged, it's money that's important, and rules can be manipulated on a whim. It's a valuable lesson. Thanks, Bud!

Flatus,
I'm not saying that I don't agree that the VP should focus on one or the other but I'm reading the sections that you reference and I don't see any limitations on the VP other than his non-vote in the senate except for a tie. Are we reading the same constitution?

flatus & champ - on Mike & Mike this morning they were discussing Selig's decision last night. Apparently he had looked at the weather, discussed the situation with both clubs, decided to try and get the game in with the understanding that it would not be awarded through a rain shortened outcome, and both clubs were on board.

Anselm,

Hillary's problem was that too many people remembered that her husband, though a great president, cost them a Gore victory, because of his exploits which brought out the moralistic Freakus de Jesus in great numbers. He also gave W the dumbfuck the platform to run as the one to "restore dignity to the White House"

Throw in that people didn't like HRC, called her a lesbian and all the other slurs during her time as first lady and she already had high negatives.

Once it became clear during this campaign season that she took victory for granted and started out very slowly, the activist base, who were still pissed she wouldn't admit error with her Iraq war vote, were ready to get behind whatever viable option there was that wasn't HRC.

I am still shocked that she didn't learn anything from Lieberman in 2006.

As for Palin, you should realize that if the party's elitist base couldn't get behind a qualified but flawed candidate in HRC, there was no way on earth they could get behind a DFR in Palin...

McCain's possible 1964 car accident.

How can you have a possible definitive anything? Either it happened or it didn't happen.

Apparently you aren't familiar with Selig's documented tendency to lie, pogo. I stopped watching baseball because of dumb ____ like this: I should have known better.

Jax,

I should have added the subsequent sections of Article I, the ones that delineate congressional responsibilities. Those duties and the executive branch duties in Article II are mutually exclusive. So, a member of one is Constitutionally unable to perform the duties of the other.

Bear,

Apparently you didn't read the article. It has to do with the rise in disrespect directed towards women. Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton are just examples of that disrespect.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165162

Nice video Jamie... I want to buy Torchwood on DVD, but money's tight. Eventually though..

Champ,

Remember Selig sold used cars...that's how he made his money to buy the Brewers.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165173

Bear, I disagree with why Gore lost the election. I think he had a piss poor campaign manager who pushed him to keep Clinton out of the campaign. Bill Clinton was still very much popular as witnessed by the large number of the public who felt he was the victim of a witch hunt..

You are correct that I didn't read it...I was just offering my 2 cents..which if invested in the NYSE January 1 would be worth 1.2 cents now...lol

I'm very familiar with Selig, bear. It's all about him, all the time. He was channeling the arrogant spirit of GWB at the press conference last night.

Sarah Palin disrespects gays and women as far as I am concerned. How can you Anselm, a self-identifed Gay man, support this anti-feminist woman who wants to constitutionally deny Gays the right to marry? You would sell out your own individual rights for the support of your party? That's scary.

Euro,

Valid point...I think she was scared to energize evangelicals to vote against Gore, which they did anyway because W. sent a shiver up their stigmata laden legs...

Personally, as a female, I hate this talk of "sexism" and "disrespect for women" It's BS. The only times I was dissapointed in Hillery was the few times she tried to play victim. Women can take it and should take like, dare I say, like the men do. It only makes us look weak if we complain about being picked on every time we get out feelings hurt or things don't go out way. I'm happy to say that the women on this blog are strong non-whiners, and that the men respect us enough to not hold back.

Anyway, I am just hoping that this election turns out the way that the pundits and the polls suggest, and I TRULY hope that the DEMS get at least a 60 seat Senate majority. Since the Dems will probably lose seats in 2010, I would like to see the new administration, assuming that it WILL be Democratic, to work with Congress to get as much work done in the first year, year and a half before their numbers weaken. If they take decision action that turns around the economy and improves our standing on the world stage, it could even mean Dems could retain or even gain some Senate seats in 2010, though I do think that is a tall order.

"When you sit idly by and accept abuse of one of your own, just because you view her as 'one of them', then don't complain when you become the target of such abuse."

Don't be stupid, Anselm. We didn't sit idly by. I not only protested Hillary's treatment, but Sarah Palin's as well. Furthermore, don't try to drag feminism into your agenda. We've already had men try to beat us in line with Roe v Wade. So you're in over your head.

Where were you when Larry Craig got dragged through the mud?

Flatus,
The VP holds a unique position and I believe that he can participate in both branches. If they didn't intend that then they wouldn't have made the position of President of the Senate. They clearly had more in mind than simply tie breaker. This is evidenced by the fact that there is Senate President pro-tempore. They clearly expect the VP to preside over the senate proceedings. As far as exectuive privilege goes it should apply only to the executive branch discussions.

Larry Craig isn't gay, Patsi. He said so himself.

"only trouble is the feeling that somebody/ies out there lurking over your shoulder while perusing those links. and who knows how many cookies my computer consumed on the trip."

patd -- I've already warned my son in DC that my name may come across his desk at some point. He just laughed and said he'd already warned his colleagues about his mother.

Good one rosie... I have to say I think Hillary was very strong... and I have no doubt at all that the tears in NH were anything but genuine... And it was only a second of losing her self-disciplined self-control.

Although the primary is past and I am FULLY for Barack Obama, I still love this video because it calls out the sexism that was prevalent in the primaries. Not to say that the Clinton campaign didn't make major blunders, but that the MSM certainly were much more critical of her than Obama during this period....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

Obama/Biden 2008

OFF TO BED... my job just wears me out !!!

Actually, Gore DID win.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165169

Is Pakistan a nice place to visit this time of the year? :D

pogo ----------------

Pakistan Trip
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Obama's College Trip to Pakistan

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

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"... because he was sued there - he didn't go to federal court to fight anything, he wasa dragged there."

Exactly my point. SoetorObama will not show a certified hardcopy BC to the American people. So what to do? Just accept his word and some altered COLB images on three sites?

You are not the slightest bit suspicious? You believe everything SoetorObama says?

If he has nothing to hide, then what is he hiding?

"Sarah Palin disrespects gays and women as far as I am concerned."

I'd be interested in exactly what policies she put in place in Alaska that reflect her personal views.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165133

Jeez, now am I ever glad I never bought that Victoria Jackson makeup kit !

None, yet, but remember, she hasn't been gov. very long.

"The only times I was dissapointed in Hillery was the few times she tried to play victim. Women can take it and should take like, dare I say, like the men do. It only makes us look weak if we complain about being picked on every time we get out feelings hurt or things don't go out way. I'm happy to say that the women on this blog are strong non-whiners, and that the men respect us enough to not hold back."

I won't even touch that belief. But does it go for gays and blacks when referred to in racists or homophobic terms?

Impeach Earl Warren

So what exactly made it sexist?

Treating someone differently because they are black, is racists, treating someone differenly because they are gay is homophobic, but treating someone the same because they are female is sexist? I don't understand.

champ, the comments were reported by the Mikes to have come from both the clubs and Selig. I just stated what I heard. I couldn't care less - baseball is my least favorite major spectator sport.

flatus, interesting conversation about the Art. I and Art. II powers and limitations. Dim though it is, my recollection is that there is a judicially recognized division of the FUNCTIONS of the legislature and the executive, and one branch cannot delegate its constitutionally prescribed functions to the other branch (or to the judiciary). I don't think the issue of whether an individual (aside from the VP acting in his capacity as Pres. of the Senate) can occupy positions in both branches of government simultaneously has ever been addressed. It is an interesting question to ponder. And the scope of the VP's power as president of the senate is similarly vague - beyond presiding over the senate and voting in the case of a tie, I believe it is limited by senate rules, and could presumably be expanded, but it could not include giving the VP the power to vote beyond what the Constitution provides. Inteesting.

ET,

What laws as governor or as a city mayor has she passed where she has disrespected gays or women? Same sex marriages is banned in 47 states, Alaska is just one of them. That is not disrespecting gays. If that was the case you Democrats better start have a lot of governor seats that need cleaning house. I don't believe in same sex marriages as do a number of gays, and as do most Americans. Civil unions a resounding yes, marriages no. In fact if you actually took the time to review Palin's record you wouldn't be making such foolish statements. So what you are really suggesting it is OK to disrespect someone just because they have a different viewpoint that the one you hold? Is this ideology all coming from the tolerant, fair and open mindedness found in the Netherlands you keep preaching to us about? Beliefs such as those were fathered in Germany prior to WWII.

Pogo, looking at other 'customs' developed over time, the actual implementation of those Articles seems malleable.

Reading the Founders' correspondence would be instructive.

"but treating someone the same because they are female is sexist? I don't understand."

Rosie -- You said you were a waitress many years. Do you believe you have always been treated like a male?

I'm happy to say that the women on this blog are strong non-whiners, and that the men respect us enough to not hold back."

Does that include Brains despairing remarks he made to you not so long ago? There is only 1 Patsi here isn't there?

Gordo, the American people haven't asked for anything and Obama hasn't said anything. Any skepticism I might have is irrelevant, and the rantings of a nut like Berg don't raise my skepticism. I do know that I don't believe a thing Berg says unless presented with irrefutable proof that what he has asserted is the only possible version of the truth on the matter. His history leads me to that position. Unlike you, I don't swallow what either of them says hook, line and sinker, and unlike you, I do not believe there is any requirement that anyone parade a verified BC around the country to prove they were born in Hawaii. And neither do I think Berg had any noble purpose in mind when he brought his suit - but purpose aside, Obama's lawyers had every obligation to challenge the suit if in their independent judgment it lacked merit. They thought so, they did what any lawyer in their position would, and the court agreed.

Tell Patsi about Obama's Pakistan trip - I don't care.

"Tell Patsi about Obama's Pakistan trip - I don't care. "

Actually, Pogo -- does Gordo's challange include a free trip to Pakistan? I'd like a vacation. I'll stop and ask about Obama in the hotel coffee shop. They no doubt recall him being there with Che. :)

Does Jim Webb support gay marriage? The democrats have a long list of those opposing. Why didn't you support Kucinich?

Patsi-Nooo, but guys DO tend to smack each other on the ass now and then.

but guys DO tend to smack each other on the ass now and then.

It is not the smacking you see on TV that matters, it is the pinching and palming you don't see.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/measuring-the-democratic-wave.html#comment-165178

I'll be buying the series and I'm looking forward to the five episode mini series next year. Jack is a great character and they handle his rampant any port in a storm sexuality with the definite preference for men very well. There was a rumor going around that they were going to tone things down to get younger viewers, but Barrowman and the producers have said absolutely not as it would destroy the character and the show.

:) tell us about the pinching and palming.

palming? is that anything like pawing?

pogo ----------------

"... I do not believe there is any requirement that anyone parade a verified BC around the country to prove they were born in Hawaii."

This is not about Berg. Why do you continue to talk about Berg? It's a diversion from the real question - what is SoetorObama hidding?

There is a Constitutional requirement that he have "natural" born citizenship status. He refuses to show any proof other than an altered COLB image on three sites. If he had the proof, he would show the proof.

Are you aware that a Hawaiian BC/COLB does not mean that the person was born in HI? That could ONE of the reasons the site COLBs were altered.

could be ONE

Where's my ticket to Karachi, Gordo? And I'd like a hotel near the bay.

Wow...gotta love this market.....keep runnin.....we gotta get there and dump before cap gains increase hits.....then into the mattress for awhile....laughs

Tsk, jaxtrader, such a bottom feeder :)

":) tell us about the pinching and palming."

I only worked as a waitress one night, Rosie. When I was in college. A businessman stuck his hand down my sundress and I poured a pitcher of beer in his lap.

Rosie,
I get it right so seldom...please let me enjoy this....:)

One issue voter? A no issue voter. Winning is all that counts.

OSH----forgot to tell you to put in potato''s in the soup lots of em (6-7)
cut in half's add salt to taste------ill catch up with the threads later,see u

There is a difference between being sexually abused and being treated in a , as you are refering to it, "sexist manner". And you never answered my question about what exactly was sexist about the ways Hillary and Palin were treated.

What happened to auctioning off Sarah's wardrobe?

Solar! I'm glad you are back! I love your posts -- keep 'em coming.

Hey Solar! I was worried for a while we wouldn't hear you again. Please join facebook. Me n' EuroTom would love you to join us!

"And you never answered my question about what exactly was sexist about the ways Hillary and Palin were treated."

Well, let's see. T-shirts calling them c**ts, commentators saying Hillary just reminded men of their first ex-wives, Hillary nutcrackers on sale in airports, a Sarah Palin blow-up doll suggesting men F**k her in the a$$.

(Sorry Solar -- had to use the %$#$%.)

That's just starters. How about the photoshopped picture of Palin's 17 year old daughter made up to look like a whore, with the caption :Like Mother Like Daughter?

There's plenty more.

Those are just the fringers. The same ones that make fun of Obama being black and McCain for being old. The fringers have to go after something. Is it nice? Not at all. Is that sexists? Yeah. But I was under the imprestion that you thought that the MEDIA was being sexists.

A number of reporters said Palin should stay home with her special needs child.

The rumors on dKos Palin's daughter was really the mother of Trig. Followed by criticisms of Palin's behavior during her pregnancy.

To name two sexist themes from the media.

"But I was under the imprestion that you thought that the MEDIA was being sexists."

Olbermann suggested that someone should take Hillary Clinton “into a room and only he comes out.” His attack reached a new low in its threat of violence.

Chris Matthews called Hillary a “she-devil” and “witchy” and lamented that the reason she was a United States Senator and candidate for president was that her “husband messed around. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win [the Senate race] on her merit.”

Evening - not caught up - just a stop by between meetings -- Going from the evil corp word to the community side that we hope will still get some gifts after the tax changes......

So Has the Obama camp declared victory !!

Early voting has them over the top!!

http://www.truveo.com/Newt-Gingrich-on-sexist-attacks-against-Sarah/id/3432450347

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html

hi all--

I was just talking to someone who said that they had heard from some republicans that the US mortgaged our nuclear power plants to china to raise the money to pay for the bailout.

Is that even possible? Did anyone else hear that?

Patsi

Lets not forget Obama's sweetiem remark , or his periodically remark.
Jesse JacksonJr comment that HRC cried because she was worried about her makeup, Obama's other cochair Mirrel Mcpeak(sp?) with his crying fits remark

All of these from within the campaign and just off the top of my head.

Jack

And this article on Chris Matthews.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804160002

The Media is so caught up with sexist attacks -

2 questions on ads today... If I am allowed to ask?

Is LA Times holding back on a video of Barack with a Former PLO member - Now the point is not so much Barack with the PLO anti Jewish effort - but the continued bias of the Media... Is it true LA times is holding back release of the video?

2nd - Is it true that Bills supported by Barack allowed and protected the cruel death of live birth late term abortions?

The measure of future performance is best determined by actual historical actions.

So if any of this stuff has been vetted earlier, sorry......

Good News is Bad News for Barack.

What will that last news cycle bring?

TB

Most nuclear power plants are privately owned by various Electric utilities. So no they financed the bailout the oldfashion way. They printed money and floated a check or two.

Jack

Fact check - the first one can be seen as sexist, but the second is just like something GORDO would pull up, fringer blather.
Patsi-Olbermann could have said the same thing about a man-dosen't seem sexist
As for Chris M. he defended Hillary against people calling her "shrill" time and time again, noting that it is hard for females to speak loudly without it kind of going up a notch. I do not in what context he used those terms He may have been complementing on her fighting spirit. I don't know.

McCain reminds me of the E Trade baby, he took his extra coin and rented Bobo the Clown. And under estimated the creepiness.

People criticizing Obama?

*Plugs ears* La La La La La! I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU!

Well, my job isn't to persuade you that sexism existed in the campaign, Rosie. So, we'll just have to disagree. I won't argue with a flat-earther.....just kidding. :)

http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall_of_shame/index.html

Patsi

You did remind me why I was so pissed with the Obama people.

Jack

2nd - Is it true that Bills supported by Barack allowed and protected the cruel death of live birth late term abortions?

Ping, A law Barack voted for that involved other issues did not include the provision that a physician had to attempt to save a live birth in an abortion. The reason it was not in the law was because Illinois ALREADY had such a law in effect and it wasn't necessary. So this charge is completely false.

Ping Pong,

That video you speak of references Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html

Seems that McCain funded his work so I'm not sure why they want the video out unless if it's to see if Bill Ayers is in it...

To the second question, was fact checked here...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

'Well, my job isn't to persuade you that sexism existed in the campaign, '

To anyone who watched this election through the primary, denying that there wasn't sexism practiced by the media is to deny the obvious. And what's wrong with pointing that out. (You could hardly call it whining.) Women didn't get to where we are today without making demands for equal treatment.

If you want to see (and be entertained at the same hime) how far women have come since the 1700's, go see the Keira Knightly movie, The Duchess. It fit right in with what we've been talking about here and show's how far women have come in the last 250 years. It reminds you how important equality is.

Jack--

Thanks for answering Jack. That's what I thought. I had already argued the point, but he was so insistent I just thought
I'd ask.

Factcheck-Thank you, the Gengrich interview is exacly what I was talking about. Screaming "sexism" just because you don't like what you hear or are asked the hard questions.
Patsi- see above. I don't like women to try to hid behind their sex. It weakens us.
And the world isn't flat, there is a big hole up here at the pole that nazis and aliens live in :p

corey........."Can you hear me now?"

Rosie,

The included video is pretty long, but the offenses were numerous. Here is a blog article I wrote during the primaries about the treatment of Clinton

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/04/eighty-eight-years.html

" I don't like women to try to hid behind their sex. It weakens us."

I trhink we are such worlds apart on this that there's no need for conversation. Party on.

Rosie, Here is another one about women and the vote that I wrote for a movie review. If you have never seen "Iron Jawed Angels", it is a very good HBO movie

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-women-got-vote.html

This article from April has many good examples of sexist remarks about women in power.

Conservative commentators turn to sexist remarks
"Matthews can also be credited with the following chauvinistic remarks: "Clinton gave a 'barn-burner speech,' which is harder to give for a woman; it can grate on some men when they listen to it - fingers on a blackboard."
http://www.desertdispatch.com/onset?db=desertdispatch&id=275&template=article.html

Rosie - I'm with the others - the media was very sexist and allowed all the pols to be so as well. KO is and was completely unhinged - he spent almost his entire hour several times railing against and about Hillary, making nasty insinuations and accusations. If his criticisms of her had been more realistic, I'd have been able to listen, but I had already become VERY bored with his rambling special comments. I haven't listened to him for months, never expect to again. Teutonic rages have no part in my life. I grew up with them but don't have to tolerate them anymore forever.

As for the rest of them, Leno's crack about Hillary giving lap dances and the jokes about f**king Palin on the Daily Show = there are NO equivalent comments about any of the men. The rumors about Obama being gay? Not from any of the msm.

Understand - I LOVE MEN! (btw, that includes gays and all in between.)I also face facts and it has been more acceptable for men to make sexual remarks re women, and women , I think, tend to keep such remarks quiet and non public, altho that is changing. The men here (well, most of them) are so delightful because they can see what others can't.

I can't see any of the women in msm making an on air comment re a man's ass or noting what side he dresses on, but a woman's cleavage is a fair topic.

I say again that I love men - the sexism some of them can't seem to slough off is just sad, but it does exist - actually even with women against women.

KGC - There just had a crawl on the Weather channel warning people about the rain this weekend, and how especially slick the roads will be since it's been so dry.
And it's snowing all over back east!!!!!

Champ - what did Selig do exactly? My bil maintains that tv ruins all sports because of the money and what will be done to get the money.

Rosiethecat

The media is on the side of Democrats at the moment but
that can all change in an instant. Your failure to recognize sexism is what will allow the media to continue to be useless tools. It's ok when it is used against people you don't like.
Don't come around complaining when it is used against people you do like.

MILF - really?

"It's ok when it is used against people you don't like."

fact check, yes! I used to love watching Olberman go on his rants against Bush. Then when he did it to Hillary, it wasnt funny anymore. That's when i realized how right your statement is.

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Rez,

I'm hanging on to that one. Which reminds me. I suppose our Grand Poobah will be working that night. I'll have champagne on ice if anyone wants to gather and party.

From TD Blog
-------------------
"No Wonder The Times is Hiding the Tape..

Does Video Show Ayers, Dohrn, and Khalidi at 2003 Party with Obamas?

When a major newspaper has possession of video of a newsworthy event, and that video could affect the way people vote in an upcoming Presidential Election, but the paper withholds that evidence from the public because it could negatively impact the candidate that paper has endorsed — IS THAT ETHICAL?"

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/la-times-abandons-code-of-ethics/

"Its ok when its used against people you don't like"
fact check
I agree!! I watched Chris Mathews for years until the primary! I didn't like it when he started his slide into cheer leading for Obama along with non-stop tirades against Hillary....Ditto Chloe on KO.....I have never went back to MSNBC and don't ever intend too...

Whatever happens, I hope my election night will involve an ice cream sundae. Not that I wanna celebrate becoming as old as Jack Benny. I can hear you, Sturge. I just can't hear everyone hear. LOL!

Good evening all.

Solar- LOL, I did the same thing twice the other day, thanks for the addition! I don't know if you read my post to you so I'll say again that you are a kind, sweet friend, thank you for coming to my defense but wished you didn't go through all that grief , it's not worth it.

Jamie- Your post on your blog was terrific, started to watch the video but couldn't finish it , too painful. I remember the point in time when that was on hillaryspeakforme.com, it seemed to solidify her base, as did the "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" video. It was a discouraging time but they helped to instill a bit of hope during that terrible period. Oh well.

Hear? I mean, HERE!

Your bil sums it up nicely, beth. So does this article:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20081028_Phil_Sheridan__Tainted_by_television.html

Solar
Did you blow that cool breeze down here from Illinois?It was chilly here today.Pal...Ha Ha. You better stick around,that's right,you heard me,you better!

Corey,

We could all gather and do THIS to YOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_hBzAtk2Rg

Solar- p.s. Don't leave think about leaving!!

Sorry, mean't to write- don't even think about leaving!

Thanks for that link Rez -- can't decide who I want to see go down in flames more, Coleman or Chamblis. Or maybe McConnell -- so many a-holes, so little time.

Watching Suddenly Last Summer -- and while everyone is killer in the film, I am loving Mercedes McCambridge. Jamie -- have you seen this lately? Think about the two characters she played in the big Liz films, Summer and Giant....she was fabulous as Luz in Giant.

But I digress....

Patsi

I want Chamblis to go down. Coleman I can leave or take and McConnell and is little smirk would be iceing on the cake.

Jack

Jack -- I'm not sure why Coleman pisses me off worse than most. Maybe because he took Paul Wellstone's seat.

"Keith and Margret Carlson "

Given the choice between Suddenly Last Summer and Keith Olberman, I'll take Tennessee Williams.

Patsi,

I love Mercedes McCambridge, particularly in Giant. If you ever want to see her tearing up the scenery, try to find "Lightening Strikes Twice". In many ways it is a very flawed film, but she completely steals the movie

http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=686

Lightening Strikes Twice looks amazing, Jamie -- and you're right -- it appears to be difficult to find.
Mercedes McCambridge -- one of the best.

Patsi,

I fell in love with Richard Todd when I was seven and he did three movies for Disney. It became a matter of great importance to see him in every single movie he made which is why I actually saw Lightening Strikes Twice.

For all the ragging Ronald Reagan took as a "B" actor, I knew there was a time when he was really quite good beacause of a Richard Todd movie, "The Hasty Heart".

I know what whacking off is. But I never see much action, the right hand gets it all.

"Keith and Margret Carlson are such sexists, don't they realize that whack job is a sexual slander, they are so blind to it!"

You forgot to say, "Rez" -- or to whom you direct your ingratiating comments.

Margaret Carlson who slept with people she reports on -she is a problem for serious reporters everywhere. As for Olbermann - the left's OReilly. Most would rather have a decent, honest press corp without OReilly or Olbermann

" fell in love with Richard Todd when I was seven"

Jamie -- I had forgotten that name...and in looking him up rememberd A Man Called Peter and some of the rest. Very interesting guy, and I was fascinated that he was the original pick for the Bond movies!

So what's the story on Margaret Carlson? I've never heard anything about her and wondered why she shows up only occasionally, tho never particularly cared for her.

And what's about Mary Landrieu? The last I heard about her, she was supposed to be doing fine - even posted about her.

I love this. Rachel is calling UT the McCain territory line. This is one of the two states (Idaho the other) that I guaranteed Obama would NOT take. :-)

Everybody go vote. I really, really want a tsunami!!!

Yup - your numbers +1....
Lets close it out now....

You on?

What is mine if it is 380 or less?

Patsi

It is the way bigots behave when they have an approving audience. What can you say.

He is what he is.

Jack

? This was your numbers from last week?

Make an offer - I check back in about 45 Min....

Romney '12

"still made from lead based alloys? "

ROFL....if that's as high as your leg goes....uh....

DW just asked me and I didn't have a good answer.

What the difference, if any, between battleground and toss-up states?

Anyone?

And swing state is a determinative for winning.

thx

Patsi,

I loved A Man Called Peter, but had occasion to mention Todd back in May because of the film "Dam Busters". It was the anniversary of the original WW II raid and he was at the commemoration:

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/05/bouncing-along.html

Rez

Toss up is just that it can go anyway.

A battle ground state is one that is being contested by both candidates. It may be a tossup or it may lean one way or the other.

A swing state is one that historically does not vote for any one party but changes back and forth.

A swing state can be a tossup but not always and is usually a battle ground state.

Jack

Jack,

I will pass that along to the wifey. thx.

btw, I assumed "swing'" was along the lines of "swing vote" in a decision.

Here'e that link on that great GOP "socialist" (tax-redistributor) Ronald Reagan.

"Gergen also noted that the Reagan administration was responsible for enacting the Earned Income Tax Credit, an extremely successful redistribution program which returns money to the working poor."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Gergen_Reagan_supported_redistributed_wealth_program_1028.html

I guess "swing' fits better with the historical aspect otherwise any state could be deemed a swing one

Ping - Stays true -- Mccain 272 !!

Brain - you can be like Obama and CHANGE your answer... It is ok..

Good Night All

Rez

I guess a swing voter would be like a swing state

Just on the micro level instead of the Macro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgAfRX_jdJw

That's one guy who's cashing his 15 minutes ticket. What was is that Don king use to say. "Only in America"

Keith, and many of his guests, engage in serious, adult conversations and do not talk down to the audience. Just last night, for instance, Chris Hayes talked of schadenfreude, a reaction unlikely to be mentioned on O'Reilly's show, let alone David Gregory's. He has developed a coterie of interesting, informative, well-spoken guests. Through bad times (when Bush had an approval rating above 32) and through good times (when it became more likely that Democrats would prevail in the 2008 election) Keith has been unafraid to tell the truth, to challenge the pretenders and to express the outrage so many of us have felt. And he has never insulted us by presenting Ed Rodgers, who returned to Chris Matthews' show tonight after a long, welcome absence.

NEW THREAD

Sorry, ben - we'll have to disagree on this point. I used to think KO was great,too, altho I always thought his special comments were a little boring and definitely badly written. There were times when I also thought his 'worst person' choices were a little empty.

I also thought his segments about weird things was very boring. But I did like his choice of words and the fact that he was blunt and open re his dislike of Bush.
I really thought he was fabulous and tolerated the things I didn't particularly enjoy.
Then his un-balance broke lose. I don't think he has adult comversations - all he talks about is how great Obama is and how bad Hillary and Bill are and how everyone else is even worse. He doesn't have guests who will disagree with him strongly.

Of course, I could be wrong about that because I haven't heard him for months, except for the things people here mention.

As for, schadenfreude, I used the word here a while ago, and Dennis Miller (ugh!) is quite familiar with it.
That doesn't make for adult conversation for me. Adult conversation should have a mind open to other points of view such as we are having here, and a desire to learn and grow. KO is running in placewith just one idea.

I'm happy for you that you can still derive enjoyment from his talking. I just can't, and I'm really sorry because I did at one time really respect his fairness and judgement.

I'm not trying to be snarky here - just disagreeing with you.