Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

A question for Liberals.

If paying higher taxes is the correct thing so to fund your favorite social program(s), then why do Liberals complain when they learn they will not be receiving a tax refund? Or should they receive a tax refund, why do they accept it, why not sign it back over to treasury, or assign it over to some charity?

The local television anchor asked if Obama was a Marxist.

Joe rightfully asked if she was joking.

I wouldn't go back either. Those are Fox News tactics.

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Jack----OSH-----made a large pot of this, and froze in 4 diff containers, goes a long way, a very cheap,but very good imo.

single recipe----Round meat ( pot roast) and 1-2 large soup bones

2 lbs meat, that you wash and place in a pot with cilantro, 1 large onion, 1-3 tomatoes, salt to taste, let simmer till meats is tender,them you put in vegies, 2-3 large zuchinni, i cut them up in round slices, 3 large corn on the cob cut in 1/2, carrots, and cabbage ( jack is right make you soups fresh and crunchy sliced cabbage is the ticket) you can eat this (mexican style soup) with rice and lemons, or with out that i like.the trick of it is the water i use about 1/4-to 1/3 gal.

Mexican rice.....my way

1 large cup of brown rice----don't like the starch in white, open up one can of corn, one can of peas and drain fluid do not throw away put in an other cup, dice 1 large onion, dice 1 large tomato or 2, a little cilantro, and a little tomato sauce (i use a little salsa) about 2-3 large spoons and set aside-------put in a frying pan little oil,,any then put in the rice-----hey where you going,,,,,,watch that rice it cooks fast,,,don't make me come over there,,,,,turn the rice over and over until it gets a little brown, then put in the 3 spoons of salsa of sauce, keep turning the rice until it stops sizzling then put in the liquid from the corn and the peas and 2 more cups of water. then add all the rest of,,,cover on low heat until all water evaporates,,,,,,,you can put this in the soup above or like do with any other meal---i like it with fish.

both are very cheap and goes a long way----hope you like it

Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 26, 2008 1:11 PM

oh heck, new thread. and just when i was working up a diatribe to bruce the naif about his "...uncontrolled Republican fiscal policy, a policy built on greed and nothing but greed" that we dems can be just as greedy as them reps... and just as uncontrolled too!

Stone age man was the most or one of the most successful of 9 hominids that lived----a little herb aint all bad

i think that they were the first to coin the phrase-----Sup dude----or sup rez :)

Solar- Thanks for the recipes!! Will definitely make the soup this week. What do you have on the side with it? Any interest in a recipe for the best apple crisp you'll ever have?

"It's a sad state of affairs when a race gets so lopsided that only the candidate who probably won't win bothers to answer tough media questions."

It's too bad the media never asked the tough questions back when it made a difference. Now it's too late. We'll just have to wait and see.

Craig, you didn't really think anything was going to change at this point anyway, did you?

Solar- what is your favorite hot sauce? Favorite salsa?

"Any interest in a recipe for the best apple crisp you'll ever have?"

Sea, Yes! Share it.

Patd--thanks for the heads up on the new thread,

it has happened quite a few times, and i felt lost in the begging, if i didn't know better i would think that Craig did it on purpose,,,but i do

On this thread---all i can say it's about time the R;s are in this position,,,,,it did not feel good when Gore and Kerry did the last minn. shuffle

both obama and biden respond to, and effectively mock, the Marx-Socialist stuff in their speeches. if it's worth including in their stump scripts, why is it off limits to be asked about it?

OSH

Need recipe immediately. I'm into the holiday food recipes on my blog. All contributions welcome

As far as Socialism goes, I like the 8 hour day, 40 hour week, two weeks vacation a year, seven holidays, social security, disability, cost of living raises etc. Now if we could only get universal health care 60 years after the rest of the Western world ...

OSH--once again the Whiskey guy was right on valentine,,,but only a few drops for the flavor,,one large bottle lasts for 6 mos. or more

Salsa------when i can't steal it from my bro the decan's restaurant i but a cheap ( thick ) salsa from cost-co, them when ever i make steak and eggs for myself i let the steak stick to the bottom of the frying pan put in some of the salsa and a little water, it tastes very good and stretches the amount of salsa, that is why i look for the thick one, and it doesn;t have to be eaten so fast like homemade ones cos of no preservative

Patd-----yeah i like to cook but not clean up,,,my wife the little italiano a (moji) croation in self defense cooks all the same stuff that i do, so i don't mind cleaning so much nnow-------now cutting the grass is another story-----she complained severall time how i cut it,,, one or two little skirmishes about it, then i turned over the lawn mower to her--------i haven't cut the grass more that 10-12 times in 10-12 year haha

"both obama and biden respond to, and effectively mock, the Marx-Socialist stuff in their speeches. if it's worth including in their stump scripts, why is it off limits to be asked about it?"

Craig, that's what one must do if you want to be seen as standing up to Fox in a contested market.

I don't know why they didn't just buy the station, use it for infomercials up through election day, and then sell it. Goodness knows they have the cash to do it--and it would add meaning to charges that they've bought the election.

Sad affair when the Obama Campaign applies selective censorship – but very Gibb and smart ! After all stay in control and do not let good questions get asked - that only a month ago could be the difference.

The Barbara West questions you refer to where fair and I do not understand why Bidden got so crotchety and testy. If he had a good answer then Barbara gave him what is really a soft ball pitch that he should have hit out of the park.

How could Joe Biden be that unprepared? What an arrogant response – Joe the home depot guy – get real

But NO! Biden knows that it was a fair question that deserves a thoughtful answer. Biden blew a chance in this market to win over some Independents – But hey I guess they do not think they need more.

And Craig – is it the WFTV is banned or that they need to put a collar on Joe!

OSH---forgot, I don't have anything on the side with the soup,, its a full meal---what i do is have 4-6 corn tortillias and make a taco or 2 from the meat pour a little salsa and eat it,,,bu i think that you would enjoy putting a little rice in the bottom of the bowl, and have that with your soup

joe klein wrote a salacious novel about a candidate he covered and then lied about it -- but i still don't think he should have been banned -- just goes to show that the left and right are no different when it comes to muzzling the press when it suits them

"The Barbara West questions you refer to where fair "

Oh come on Ping,

She did nothing but parrot right wing talking points. They were grandstanding conservative drivel and could have been asked by a pull the string Ann Coulter doll ... totally brain dead newsreading blond bimbo.

If they are expected to answer legitimate conservative questions at least get someone to ask them who sounds as if they might have gotten past the fourth grade.

Oh and just for the record, I don't like it when liberal types ask loaded left wing questions laden with slanted adjectives. It is equally stupid.

craig, were you referring to "primary colors"?

"Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama"

*loud applause & some Schadenfreude*

tt

"Klein asks intelligent important questions"

The same Joe Klein who mocked Al Gore in 2000?

yes, patd

Brain – Disdain Yes - Only for arrogant behavior that Biden demonstrated.
(go back and find any personal attack from me to Obama? no way - I do however disagre with his policy)

He was out of line, maybe he did not get enough sleep – or he has true disdain for us Southern people?

And yes her question could have been better prepared to get to the point – but he should have been prepared as the questions are out there.

She should have rasied the same concern but using my language.

Sen Biden – Are you not concerned that a continued drive to allow social policy to override sound fiscal policy will only continue the damage to our economy, That this continued failure to abide by the fundamentals of our economic system is the wrong direction?

Sen Biden – How will you pay for the excessive spending that Barack is proposing.

Now these questions DEMAND an answer – so yes Barbara blew it and allowed him off the hook with no follow up.

Slavery can come in a number of different forms. One can be a slave to your work, to someone, to a substances, food, religion almost anything. In most cases you would not to be a slave to anything or anyone, but there are ways to make one a slave without them even becoming aware of it. Drug dealers and pimps are great at making individuals into slaves. The promises of money, glamor, love, affection, belonging, the allure of happiness, euphoric bless, a way of making your troubles disappear is more than some people can turn away from. If you were to tell these people such promises are filled with deceitful lies, and what very well may happen is a life full of misery and despair, they probably wouldn't believe you. More than likely they would tell you they are a much stronger person than that, "I know when to quit.", but as we all know that is rarely ever the case.

Obama has figured out a way to make you believe your life is going to be so much better under his leadership. Through is charismatic charm, articulate speeches, youthful appearance, Obama has promised to give away $100's of billion to everyone, well not everyone the so-called rich won't be seeing any benefits, create millions of jobs, life is going to be good under his rule. He has made so many promises of free money, and has proposed so many new opportunities that it is very enticing and hard not to fall victim to this scheme. Who is going to turn down free, free anything, especially when the country is going through a tough economic crisis? And the longer we receive the free whatevers, the more we think it is do us. After period of time has gone by and you are still receiving the free give aways, your mind will be convinced that you actually did something to deserve it, you earned this free gift. When this happens you have unintentionally become a slave to a government who's only hold over you is promises of more free stuff to come. But when the free promises don't show up or they get cut off unexpectedly, prematurely, the one who made all the promises has his own problems. Obama's problems have started before he has even become President, how does he fulfill all the promises? The voters are believing the free stuff will start arriving shortly after he is crowned president, but it will take many years even with a Democrat Congress, as it takes years to build re-tool plants, become energy independent, place social programs into operation, and voters may not be very patient with person who has promised them so much and is slow to deliver.

Then too there is always Iraq and Afghanistan. I would not be very surprised to learn we are not only withdrawing our troops from Iraq, but forfeiting on our commitments in Afghanistan. Is this what Joe Biden meant when he said, "Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he’s gonna have to make some really tough decisions, I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history, and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s gonna happen."

Jamie -- Ouch

Barbara is acutally a very nice person that maybe was not prepared for such a response. They both, Barbara and Joe have a responsibility - then they both blew it.. But please Bimbo? You do not know her

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164005

Ping,
"so yes Barbara blew it and allowed him off the hook with no
follow up."

I wouldn't be so hard on her, at least she had the balls to ask. Something none of the so-called male news reporters would dare ask old Joe. So lets give Barbara a pat on the back for getting Joe's hair plugs frizz-up a bit, maybe just maybe this will cause some of the male news report to grow a set in the very short time that remains.

Solar- Something we all agree on - Cholula! I guess we use too much, we go through a bottle about every month. I'm going with the corn tortillas, that sounds fabulous.

Apple Crisp- for a happy home filled with love
8? baking apples( cortland, granny smith, northern spy are imo the best, but hard to find) - peeled and cut up- enough to nicely fill a 9 in. pie pan or 9 in. casserole
Mix together :
1 cup flour
1 cup sugar
1 tsp. cinnamon

Quickly beat 1 egg and add to mixture- don't worry it doesn't blend thoroughly
Cover apples with mixture.
Melt 1 stick butter and pour over mixture.
Bake at 350 for 35 to 45 minutes. You'll know when its done- nice color , crispy parts, mmh. Enjoy

hope you like it Jamie. I have a recipe I cook on Christmas Eve- Fruites de la Mer, good and simple if you would like.

If we stop the wars & giving money to other nations, and if we stop redistributing the wealth to the wealthy like Bush just did to Wall Street and big banking, we'll do just fine with funding middle class American proposals.

Ya know, Bush is a socialist. He just socialized Wall Street and big banks.

tt

Jamie -- I've got some amazing holiday recipes that I stole from my sister -- I'll try to put some together for you!

Anslem----I just love what u said

Slavery can come in a number of different forms. One can be a slave to your work, to someone, to a substances, food, religion almost anything. In most cases you would not to be a slave to anything or anyone, but there are ways to make one a slave without them even becoming aware of it. Drug dealers and pimps are great at making individuals into slaves. The promises of money, glamor, love, affection, belonging, the allure of happiness, euphoric bless, a way of making your troubles disappear is more than some people can turn away from. If you were to tell these people such promises are filled with deceitful lies, and what very well may happen is a life full of misery and despair, they probably wouldn't believe you. More than likely they would tell you they are a much stronger person than that, "I know when to quit.", but as we all know that is rarely ever the case.

You have just described the Reagan-bush-cheney era much better that anyone here so far,,,,,its you story and im stickin u with it,,,,you r a nice guy but,,,,,you have to be a little bit of a slave not to see what a blind man can see-----you guys had it all a fucked it up,,,that about says it all for me,i know i know-----bill C got a B J from monica-----that all you guys have u know

Jamie,
"Oh and just for the record, I don't like it when liberal types ask loaded left wing questions laden with slanted adjectives. It is equally stupid."

Really? And when was the last time you ever voice your displeasure with the mongrels who make-up the Liberal news media. Where were you on CNN's Drew Griffin's total distortion of Bryon York's' report in the National Reviews regarding Sarah Palin.

Griffin: "The National Review" had a story saying that, you know, I can't tell if Sarah Palin is "incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, or all of the above."

Oh, and for all the clothes police....evidently Palin has been thugged into going back to her own wardrobe.

Patsi, do you wear your own wardrobe?

tt

SolarCrete,

Good, then prepare for higher taxes, as Obama's freebie give away administration will be coming to you in the form of pay higher taxes. But you could beat them at their own game, all you have to do is cough up some more of your tax dollars. Obama will thank you for it.

Joe Klein was thrown off the McCain plane for a book he wrote in 1996?

Did Joe had a parachute? I hope he had time to read the owners manual on the way down.

OSH

A real depression era dish, as told to me by my mother. No doubt to remind me there worse meals than the one before me.

Fried bread dough and water gravy

Ingredients
flour
grease
water
salt
sour dough starter.

Mix flour , salt, water and sour dough starter and set the dough aside to work. After it raises push it back down then let it raise again.

heat a skillet and add enough grease to coat the bottom of the skillet form the dough into ball the size of walnuts. Flatten the ball and put in the heated skillet. let brown the flip over and brown on the other side.

For the gravy add grease to the skillet add enough flour to make a thick paste cook for a few min. then add water bring to a boil and cook until thick.

To serve pour gravy over the bread.

Jack

Interesting NPR article on the GOP after Bush:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95968435

Anselm

You weren't around during the primaries around here. Admitedly I was defending Clinton but it was because of the gross slanting by the media that was just brutal to her because of backing Obama.

My politics tend to be moderate moving left and right of center depending on the issue. If I had seen the the news item you mention, I would probably mention it.

Now I do think that Palin is totally unprepared to be VP and while the humor and satire have been pretty rough, I don't think that the majority of the questions she has been asked that I have seen have been out of line. Certainly the Couric interview wasn't all that difficult for anyone who knew anything about the job she is seeking.

Ping

You are right. I apologize for the "bimbo". Let's go with lightweight.

Anslem

it is very simple for me-----i won't go back and forth about the details of this or that------in this case it is not needed,it is not a hidden fact that the tax cuts have not helped me, or anyone else----the tax cut that were given to me was just sucked up by,higher food prices, higher gas, etc etc, and as a small buz corp. i have very little work-----thank u mr. Capitalist all the time-----now a would like to get fu---d by someone a little diff the D's, i don't thin that there is very much diff between the two-----but maybe i can get a little kiss along the way-----bush did not even whisper in my ear---he just molested me along with you,,,but u go ahead and pretend

Interesting events.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D942BBS00&show_article=1

Sunday 538 numbers

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

349.9 Obama

ET still closest at 349.

"Patsi, do you wear your own wardrobe?"

As a matter of fact I do, tt -- and were I running for public office I would have to borrow money to keep from being ridiculed by a bunch of fools about my cheap wardrobe.

Disdain should be reserved for the men and women of the Republican Party that broke our country. How do we fix it? We can't turn on the GOP and say, "You broke it, you bought it." They have been looting our society since January, 20, 1981, the blackest day in American history.

The apple crisp looks good. My aunt Ruth would substitute oatmeal for some of the flour and maybe even add more her apple crisp was very oat meal. Made a great breakfast dish with cold milk..

Jack

Jamie,

As usual you didn't answer the question. And you wonder why I think you are a LLIL.. OK I'll drop the Lilywhite "L" Maybe you are just an LIL.

A clothing story. http://tinyurl.com/pantsuitdiva

OOps

US attack in Syria

Anselm

You are the one who set up the straw man argument. I didn't see the event you described so I could hardly respond to it.

Cost of living raises? Haven't seen those in about 4-5 years. They told us it was in the budget this year, we never got them.

Patsi,

Thanks. I'll take all the recipes I can get. This time of year, I do a lot of gifting with food of various kinds as well as putting them on the blog.

OSH

My email is webthings@comcast.net

I'll take any recipes anyone wants to send along

SolarCrete

Well then you should have no problem when the Bush tax cuts expire. Funny most people I know who are married saw their taxes lowered while Bush was in office. Marriage penalty tax ring a bell? But you being a big fan of higher taxes will embrace seeing this slip underneath the waves.

Disdain should be reserved for the men and women of the Republican Party that broke our country. How do we fix it? We can't turn on the GOP and say, "You broke it, you bought it." They have been looting our society since January, 20, 1981, the blackest day in American history.

While i whole heartedly agree with this sentiment,,,,it works ok until the R's have the power again, and then the same thoughts towards the D,s are voiced------us guys in the middle are getting it from the right and the left,,,,i hope that obama reaches out his hand like he said-----i doubt it with all the favors that he owes to the same corps that got us here in the first place,,,,team mentality, greed, and f u i got mine.thanks,

Wow Jack, that's quite a meal! When I asked for a recession proof recipe, I was thinking maybe something a little less authentic! My mother grew up on lard and bread dipped in chicory, if there was no squirrel, rabbit or deer. She's been thinking a lot about those times the last few weeks. Oranges and nuts were their Christmas presents, walking the tracks for coal. I'm so proud of my parents, they really are the greatest generation aren't they?

It is a sad state of affairs , Craig, when you aren't drinking the proper flavor of Koolaid.

Jack

Next thing you'll hear: McCain Throws Momma From The Train!

What's the best way for the Repubs to destroy the Dem Party? Allow SoetorObama to win. After he is in office, the Repubs would suddenly discover (they had the info long before election day) documents which prove with 100% certainty that he is Constitutionally ineligible. The Repubs would demand that SoetorObama resign along with all the other Dems who have gone along with the fraud. But that's not all, the Repubs would then want all the Dems involved in this scheme to be prosecuted and sent to prison. If SoetorObama did not follow the proper procedure after returning to the US from Indonesia, he is an "illegal" alien. After serving a long prison sentence, he would be deported.

This scenario allows the Repubs to avoid dealing the "mess" the country is facing. In two years, the Repubs would take over the House and Senate with huge majorities and in four years easily win the Presidency.

Jamie,

And you host a blog? Very simple, even for a LIL. lol Here is a hint. Try Google, "CNN griffin palin" . Always convenient to use the old Ostrich symptom when confronted with facts we rather not see.

I'll be glad to check it out Anselm. I'll let you know what I think of the questins. I have never avoided hearing the other side of any argument, despite your constant rudeness, disdain, and invective.

Great. We've bombed a Syrian village.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/26/syria-iraq-helicopter-attack

Maureen Dowd Reacts to Being Tossed From McCain Plane

Please say it ain't so. Not the do nothing diva of the so to be extinct NYT. With any luck Frank Rich can't be far behind.

Brain - Maybe a thousand times I have asked - but no response? Why?

Still no answers to many of my questions.

I guess like Joe Biden might say or think. I am not worthy?

Anslem:

You know what rings a bell for me is-----Savings and loans fiasco of bush41, Reagans tax on the middle class working class---the tax on unemployment checks,,,its a tax no matter how y spin it, black water dick fu---n cheney. enron,black water,this bail out,,,are u blind or ? what bush did to the constitution, and much more,,,my only hope now is that now that the D's have seen how its done , they will put their twist to it and fu---k some more, after all u 2 are in competition.

I'm in on this thread late, but I can just imagine how Mc would have responded if a televised, supposedly 'serious' newsperson asked him if he really fathered a part black child out of wedlock.

Chloe said it all---when the media had the opportunity to ask tough questions--they didn't.. Kind of late now.Although once Obama's elected and the media continues to be denied access to him, they'll begin to turn. There's huge gaps in this guy's biography and I suspect there will be a great deal of buyer's remorse once the curtain is pulled back.

Rosie- that question is not even close. No comparison. way off

Ah I am getting an answer by the behavior and Words Just Words of Barack - he is moving his agenda towards mine !!!

No that says something

Jack, I find the one-sided posting scarier than the fighting on Friday. Besides, if I was a candidate, I wouldn't do what McCain did to Dowd. I'd get the reporter on the plane and up in the air and then hand them a parachute and say, "This is where you get off."

that should be not that the D's won't do the same to us as the R's

Anselm......I can only suppose that you will be as miserable for the next 8 years and the democrats have been for the last 8 years.......

too bad............( lol )

LOL

Corey that is just mean. But now that I think about it............
I do have this little list.

Jack

that's "as" the democrats....etc but you probably got the gist, anyway........

Poor Maureen.

I don't think I'd let anybody from the Times on my plane if they did a number on Stinky like they did on Ms McCain.

corey.......what? no cost of living raise? damn, I guess you shoulda put on those 3 little pieces of tape on the doors afterall..........

Ok, fair enough. But I guess my point is that it is still just one of nasty little tricks out of Rove's playbook that shouldn't have anymore consideration than some of the alligations made by some of the more...ah, imaginative posters. I mean she might as well asked him if it was true he ate puppies.

Jack, I know a guy on the internet and people used to joke that he had a "to-be-killed" list. Not that he really did, mind you.

Anselm

I watched Part 1 of the Griffin Palin interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCyyIrWs73M

None of the questions were out of line. In fact, she sounded better than any other interview I've seen of her. She held her ground well, presented the conservative case, and while her answers didn't have a lot of depth, they were coherant and forceful.

Did something go horribly wront in part 2? I haven't watched it yet.

Yea Flatus she probably couldn't afford a ticket home
and to be stranded in a hotel in Pittsburg..............

Such cruelty

Jack

The govt COLA increase for social security recipients was probably one of the Bush administration's better fiscal decisions. I have little doubt that much of the increase of funds received by the pensioners will go directly to help their children and grandchildren in meaningful ways.

the ATM girl in pittsburgh wasnt Dowd, was it??

Sturge, many years ago at work we weren't paid a lot. But, we had semi-annual bonuses to make up for that. Usually, 6-10% in April and 15-17% in October. Then people decided that they wanted more money in their check each week since bonus money was "at risk" money, not guaranteed. So, they increased our pay each week, lowered our bonuses. Bonuses became small, but we got them on a quarterly basis. But, they were performance-driven. Which made them smaller. Last year, they cut our weekly pay between $2.50 and over $3.00 per hour and ended the quarterly bonuses. Cost of living raises in July ended about 4 or 5 years ago.

ROFL@Bob Barr

"A vote for John McCain is a wasted vote," says Barr. Barr says Sen. McCain "never appealed to the fiscal conservatives because of his record of increasing the size and power of government. John McCain's refusal to stand up against the bailout tore the wheels right off the so-called 'Straight Talk Express' bus!" "If you want your vote to count, and go towards a leader dedicated to lowering taxes, cutting spending, and drastically reducing the size of government, then you still have a choice in 2008. That choice is Bob Barr," says Barr.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164090

Flatus, If the COLA comes through it will be about $50 - 60. Then the price charged for Medicare will go up which will wipe out the majority of that so they may get an additional $20.

No, Jamie, there's no increase in our medicare this year. So, all the increase will be in our pockets.

Sturge
No, Dowd was the mugger.
The girl didn't really confess that is just a story being put out by the liberal media to protect one of their own.
http://www.absolutelyfriggintrue,com/dowd\\B//

Jack

read the link out loud, don't click it

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164085

Rosie

He doesn't eat puppies?

Jack

Well that's an omen of sorts.

Archie Poehler born Saturday Night (Live)

Mother Amy and son doing well.

Here's a news link on why mommy missed the show.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tvguide/385023_tvgif25.html

the way amy was bouncing around last week, I figured the baby would pop out on the set.......

Flatus,

That's good news. I hadn't received notice on mine yet and was just going by news reports.

The reason that there are so many immigrants from mexico is that there is no where else to go-----the politicians take turns at bleeding the country, it is a very rich country that could provide for its masses easily---the politicians, the mafia's, gangs, high food prices, etc, are not letting anyone breath over there, if it gets to be the same here where will we go to feed our hungry, Canada?,,,we need both party to work together, or we will have that slave population that a Anslem attributes to the D's,,,that is why i reacted so strongly to his post,,,,for those that say this can not happen,,,,,we will see, Obama has no idea what he is going to be responsible for------i hope that he has some balls to be his own man, even if it only means one term---but i somehow doubt it?????

solar.....your post to anselm was a home run, by the way.......outa the park and across the street behind.....

"You know we don't usually get this type of right winger here. "

I was thinking the same thing. A little unusual balance. Interesting.

"There's huge gaps in this guy's biography and I suspect there will be a great deal of buyer's remorse once the curtain is pulled back." ubns 3:26 PM

Truer words...

Sturg----thanks

It is not my intent to be right, in politics i don't know if this is possible, but if i were looking for a bzns partner, it just would not be the R's at this time, my devil ( if people can say my god) r they blind, it is just my team against yours,,,,,,not very pleasing for us in the minor leagues,,,but coming from you I don't feel so bad for over posting again, thanks

Jamie- I forgot a tsp. of baking soda, sorry. I forget to add it sometimes too.

"Ya cant call yourself a maverick when all you've been the last 8 years is a Sidekick."

--Biden on McCain.

lol

Sarah Palin: "All dressed up and no place to go."

--Donna Brazille

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164023

The mainstream media is as liberal as the conservative corporations that own them

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164065

GORDO's still around?

NovaB... spot on, including that fateful day that has sent us downward for so long (with a rather short respite during the Clinton years).

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164045

and something our host has long forgotten:

No sense of decency???

Power in hands of few replaces liberty for all

"On those nights when they were young, they smoked pot in the streets and listened to Dylan in the car and dreamed of the risks they'd take.

But now, as Baby Boomers grow old, they welcome those police surveillance cameras on the light poles outside their homes, thinking the cameras make them safe. And they rush toward the warm embrace of big government and promised security."

"....the times are changing, and the Boomers should consider the costs and consequences of what they're being offered by our politicians....."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-bd-boomersoct26,0,4031465.column

I wasn't born back then.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164105

Ashelm is soo right wing that if he wasn't Gay, he'd hate the homosexuals as well... Then again, maybe he does already. I know a lot of right-wing self-loathing "fags"...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164115

Chloe! Welcome back !

I watched a show on John Wilkes Booth late last night. He was shocked to find out that people didn't think he was a hero after killing Lincoln.

If I knew what YHM meant. I might understand the sentence. :-)

British Prison authorities to use cult de-programming techniques on terrorist prisoners

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1077861/Muslim-fanatic-prisoners-programmed-using-controversial-techniques-cure-beliefs.html

Interesting approach. Sure beats torture.

Sturgeone; 9:23 from an earlier thread............. "any system that relys on humans is doomed", human nature, ain't it a bitch. Quoting Donna Bazile however, is beneath you, she's probably the least credible there is........... Later Sturge................................................

Champ; 3:42 pm from an earlier thread......"How are we going to change it - we're waiting for you to tell us", Good luck to Ron Paul, Champ, I've decided to forego this disasterous facade, and I'm really praying that Pelosi won't be able to institute the "Fairness Doctrine", otherwise it's goodbye to free speech, but we knew all along that this NEW democratic party is just a carbon copy of what's been there for 10 years only this time if you complain, you're called a racist....

To: Patsi, Chloe. Carol, Bethyboo, Viv, Sea , Flatus, Jason, Solar and any other FREE thinkers out there, that I missed, sorry for that. Good Luck, hang in there, and when I get back from across the pond if you're still around and allowed free speech, I've got your back......

Mr. Crawford; Once more, Thank You for the forum to vent our feelings and our thoughts and your surrogate Jamie is a wealth of knowledge and capability ............

Rita

You have mail!

Rita, I'm not a free thinker, but I'm very reasonable. LOL!

PP--be safe

"Because we are in a financial crisis of monumental proportion. The role of government is to intervene when a nation is in crisis. A home owner's loan corporation was instituted in the Great Depression. They went out and they bought people's mortgages and over time, people were able then to pay back those mortgages"...

John Mc CAIN on Meet the Press today. From what I've read he went out on a limb in this statement especially on the role of government. Most of the partisan Repugs on the blog would totally disagree with him. It seems Mc CAIN was saying that socialism works.

Thanks Rita. Hope we hear from you while you're gone too, though. Enjoy!

"I'm really praying that Pelosi won't be able to institute the "Fairness Doctrine", otherwise it's goodbye to free speech"....

Rita, I like a lot of what you write, but you are wrong on the Fairness Doctrine.

"The Fairness Doctrine was introduced in the U.S. in 1949 (Report on Editorializing by Broadcast Licensees, 13 F.C.C. 1246 [1949]). The doctrine remained a matter of general policy, and was applied on a case-by-case basis until 1967, when certain provisions of the doctrine were incorporated into FCC regulations.[3] It did not require equal time for opposing views, but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials."

It has no impact on free speech. In fact, it increased access to ensure free speech. The airwaves are owned by the public and the corporations who run them are charged with the responsibility of maintaining those airwaves "in the public interest, convenience and necessity."

Here is one commentary by Democracy Now ! host Amy Goodman
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/11/461

From FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting"

Extra! January/February 2005

The Fairness Doctrine
How we lost it, and why we need it back

By Steve Rendall

A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a...frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others.... It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount.

— U.S. Supreme Court, upholding the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 1969.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2053

ET, Read about Herbert Hover and the great depresssion. He was against too much intervention or coercion by the government. People ended up thinking he did nothing to help them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Clark_Hoover

ET - Balance -- Balance.

Fairness - in those days the number of media outlets was Radio and Newspaper.

If you support such a law then expand it to all Media.

And Hey - if this had been in place maybe the Entertainers would not have shot themselves - and McCain would not be where he put himself

Rita - Thank you Mr and Mrs Crawford - Your Boy Craig is a pretty unique and cool dude.

Do not just thank the Dad.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164085

LOL

and he does it with a straight face.

Amazing

Jack

" your surrogate Jamie "

Rita, Thanks for the promotion (?), but Craig is a sweet person I'm met once.

Same old same old from blistersyeahbutchannel

From Inappropriate to Inane
We thought Obama didn't care about blame
It was Post Partisan solutions
fueled by selfless notions
But It Was All Part of A Game

The fascinating thing about Hoover is that he was quite a humanitarian when it came to saving Belgians from certain starvation...

"On August 4, 1914 Belgium had been overrun by the German army heading for Paris via Belgium. King Albert and his army had stood up to the larger German forces with such resistance that their acts of bravery became legendary.

Belgium was blockaded by the British and occupied by a German army. Over seven million Belgians faced certain starvation.

"Hoover undertook an unprecedented relief effort as head of the Commission for the Relief of Belgium (CRB). The CRB became, in effect, an independent republic of relief, with its own flag, navy, factories, mills and railroads. Its $12-million-a-month budget was supplied by voluntary donations and government grants."

The Belgians still have much love for him. It is the 50th year since the Belgium hosted the World's Fair, known as Expo '58. 1958 Hoover served as the United States representative to the World’s Fair in Brussels, Belgium - his last official act.

Interestingly enough, the website so completely devoted to Hoover actually is a .be website meaning it is a Belgian website.

http://www.rememberinghoover.be/Biography.htm

I think if Hoover had embraced MORE government intervention in the Great Depression he would have been a hero to Americans instead of being viewed as a failure and Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have never been elected President. I used to think Hoover was cold hearted, but it is clear he wasn't. However, he was a slave to his notion that government shouldn't intervene during crises and in that he showed the deficit of Republican ideology. He could have been a great President.

A question for Conservatives:

When are you going to drop the ludicrous assertion that Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility? Nobody likes tax-and-spend liberals, but I haven't met anyone fond of borrow-and-spend conservatives, either.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164139

Ping, the balance was there when corporations were not allowed to own too much media organizations within a single market. Unfortunately, your party has decimated those rules as well.

Now I am off to watch Battlestar Galactica and then back to bed. It's past 10 pm here and tomorrow morning comes EARLY!

Hugs to all...

billip, I actually like "tax and spend" because it helps the people. One of my best friends has a bumper sticker on her car that says "I gladly pay taxes. America is worth it". Same here in BE... even though they are very high, I am still better off than when I was in the USA.

Ping

Unfortunately, the Republicans put through a telecommunications law that allowed almost free rein as to the number of radio stations, TV stations, and newspapers a person or group of people could own in a single market.

With no fairness doctrine and unlimited outlets, there are areas of the country have little opposing thought. If someone doesn't have access to cable channels or computer internet, they might never see or hear an idea from the other side of the spectrum.

Courtesy of the Republicans and thier media campaign donors, free speech took quite a beating.

billp - go back and read all the posts.
I agree with you - but Bush has an R by his name but his behavior in fiscal matters was poor.

Bush was complacent at best. He did not stand up and call for accountablitity. As I posted before - I think some back room compromise with the likes of Chris and Barney...

Jamie - Where?
The views in those areas reflect the population. The consumer driven aspects can not be disputed.

"Unfortunately, the Republicans put through a telecommunications law that allowed almost free rein as to the number of radio stations, TV stations, and newspapers a person or group of people could own in a single market."

Worth repeating. This opened the doors for a lot of sanctioned BS, from the banning of the Dixie Chicks to group think op/ed pages.

Funny lines here:

Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much.

Roosevelt's running mate John Nance Garner accused Hoover of "leading the country down the path of socialism."

Hoover did a lot of good, but it was almost all forgotten.

Ping

Where? The whole of the United States. It is money as free speech. If a multi millionaire can come in and buy the newspaper, local tv station, cable company, AM and FM radio stations ... all of which present only one version of the news as programmed or slanted by that owner, it has nothing to do with consumer driven desires.

The old bill limited the number of outlets i.e. if there were only one each of radio, tv and newspaper outlet then no single entity could own them all. That allowed for competition and local desires. In areas with two radio stations the station A's ownership had to be different that station B. Again, competition and local desires. This is no longer true.

Republicans only really like competition when they are able to stack the deck.

"... a person’s friends and associates have long been recognized as a critical and relevant factor in assessing their suitability for public service. One’s associations and relationships provide invaluable insights into that person’s judgement, integrity and loyalty. They can also provide a window into a candidate’s social and ideological comfort zones.

Since there is no requirement for a candidate for high elective office — such as the presidency of the United States — to undergo a national security background investigation, such vetting is left to the voting public. ... Unfortunately the voters have only public information, or that which the candidates choose to disclose, upon which to base their decision."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/26/national-security-concerns-regarding-the-candidacy-of-senator-barack-obama-for-the-presidency-of-the-united-states/

We have the same problem up here... media giants that own tv, radio and dailies. And most major cities only have 1 daily, so... fair and balanced is a thing of the past. The internet has actually helped -- for instance, I log onto Toronto Star in order to get my "wish I'd said that" fix. My local paper is owned by Canwest Global, a rightwing org that owns a tv network, a radio network, countless newpapers across the country, and a news-service, meaning every item sent out from their news service has this nasty little right wing ideology going for it. The other (CTV) is owned by BCE Enterprices (Bell), which owns not only the network, but a satellite company and a vast telecommunications network (phones, cells, internet) and also right-leaning. Our national broadcast network (CBC) has, historically, been slightly left-of-center, but with a conservative government (even in a minority situation), they get to choose the director of the CBC. The ONLY left of center daily, in the country, is the Toronto Star (my salvation). Situation stinks!

Just did more phone banking. It's so satisfying to know that your candidate is about to win. It's been a long haul, but in nine days, we will be talking about a President-elect Barack Obama. And finally, the presidential record will be 43 to 1, with white men finally losing a race.

From Wikipedia:

In an August 13, 2008 telephone poll released by Scott Rasmussen, 47% of 1,000 likely voters supported a government requirement that broadcasters offer equal amounts of liberal and conservative commentary, while 39% opposed such a requirement. In the same poll, 57% opposed, and only 31% favored, requiring Internet web sites and bloggers that offer political commentary to present opposing points of view. By a margin of 71%-20% the respondents agreed that it is "possible for just about any political view to be heard in today’s media" (including the Internet, newspapers, cable TV and satellite radio), but only half the sample said they had followed recent news stories about the Fairness Doctrine closely. (The margin of error had a 95% chance of being within ± 3%.)

Barack Obama has expressed his opposition to the Fairness Doctrine.

Obama's half-caucasian, Mr. D, but you already knew that. Sure, he looks more black than white I suppose, but it's color that's important, right?

When you describe someone like him as being half black and half white in a police lineup, I'll make note of that.

We'll see what a friend of the black community he is when he attempts to reform the drug laws and criminal justice system. I'll start holding my breath in 9 days.

Jamie - They are profit centers -well besides NPR - and if people do not like what they hear - they do not listen and a big group says - no more money you are off the air

Bill Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996, with a smile on his face.

More confidence in him than anything the McCain/Palin ticket would offer.

I want to have 9 more days of reading your incessant narcissistic bullshit, it contributes so much to the discussion.

I don't have to explain shit to you, loser. You must have me confused with someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

Ok, will turn profanity off now; sorry gang.

Jamie, I am So sorry, that is baking POWDER not soda. I've been irritated with mhy mother for years, she always leaves something out of the recipe. I thought at one point that she just really didn't want to give out all the secrets. Well, I'm learning that isn't the case. Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Once again, I'm sorry.

As if you owned, or have even ever touched a shovel.

Your tax-dollars at work, building baseball stadiums for billionaires:

Outside The Lines: Yankee Stadium Controversy
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3665106&categoryId=3286128

Ping,

Don't look now, but your knee is jerking again.
It doesn't work that way. I worked for a radio station for five years. They are rarely owned to make a profit. Many of the owners of the licenses are actually in the advertising business. Even the very successful stations are lucky to break even. The money is in the advertising booked on the station or as a deduction for other enterprises. Sometimes it is just vanity and the desire to put your opinion out into the stratosphere.

Yes you want the ratings because the ratings drive the advertising dollars national and local, but if you own both radio stations then 100% of the ratings is 100%.

I don't particularly favor the "equal time" provision, but I definitely support the limited ownership provision that was wiped out.

If SoetorObama wins -- the Constitution loses.

For at least one reason, he is Constitutionally unqualified for the office of POTUS.

We have his word and a photoshopped COLB image on three sites. There is a reason he refuses to make public documents which would show that he has "natural" born citizenship status. He has no proof, because there is no proof. The documents requested by Berg would show that he is at most a "naturalized" citizen. It's very likey that he actually is an "illegal". You believe that's not possible? Do some research. The DNC and some members of Congress (CMcC) are deeply involved in this fraud.

Thanks Sea

I got the changes

Apple has donated one million dollars to help defeat Prop 8 in California. (Google has also donated considerable.)

Prop 8 backers tried to thug companies, saying they would release anti-prop 8 corporate donors' names as enemies of traditional marriage unless the company also donated to pro-prop 8.

The day after the threat, Apple announced it was giving a million. Kudos to Mac!

http://www.macworld.com/article/136372/apple_proposition8.html

Banks using bail out money to buy banks and pay bonuses

http://finance.comcast.net/www/news.html?x=http://76.96.38.13/data/news/2008/10/25/1097491.xml

Ah Champ, I understand your frustration. You've lost and your party has no vision. Enjoy your years in the wilderness. But at least you'll be lead by someone, Palin, who lives in it.

No frustration here, GOP isn't my party. I hope Obama is a good president. That's all I can do.

It will be fun watching all the starry-eyed dreaming liberals rationalize and apologize for all the unfulfilled promises in the next 4 years, because your candidate sure has made plenty. That was cool how your VP candidate guaranteed an international crisis in less than 9 months, WWIII is going to be so exciting. Have fun at the victory party.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164169

Only a white liberal could make such an asinine statement.

Clue for the clueless
crack vrs powder

Jack

LOL Jack, one has to love friends of the black community who have no black friends. Is that irony? It's hard to tell these days.

Champ

If you don't dress up in the cute little skirt and shake pompoms your a Republican, didn't you know that?

Jack

...just found out recently.

Jack, did you see that post the other day about the differnce between the people at the Obama and McCain rallies? The poster said the people at the Obama rally looked like people they saw at the grocery store. The McCain rally was full of old white men. That's fine and all, except when I realized that one day I'll be an old white man.

I wish Shrub would leave office early -taking The Big Prick with him of course. I could live with President Nancy P for a couple of months. I cannot believe the crap Shrub keeps pulling -- attacking Syria?

Champ

I've come to the conclusion that in this postmodern world irony is dead.

Jack

"With white men finally losing a race"....

Incendiary comment MD...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164156

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164190

Maybe that is the repug's attempt at an October surprise KGC?

Many interview questions that are getting asked on a daily basis in this campaign fall into the no-win "When did you stop beating your wife?" class of baited entertainment, passing as journalism.

I did not suck my teeth at Joe Biden's response. I cheered. I treasure a candid response from a candidate. His resistance to routinely jumping through hoops for some Florida TV station is not the disclosure of national missile codes. It was a blow for rational discourse.

Far from being evasive, the good senator is known to opine freely. Calling out a disingenuous 'info-tainment' specialist actually is somehow reassuring.

ET

Sort of ..."sorry to leave you with such a mess but gotta go--last flight to Uruguay ..surprise you're it NOW"

It's a true statement, unless you can point to one of the 43 as being something other. An Obama election will open the presidency to gender and minorities for ever more.

Corey

And the sad thing is he then went to the coffee house and told his little white buddies about the experience.

The other thing is he wasn't in South florida or in an area with a lot of southeast Asians. Republicans look different there.

Jack

I don't know if anybody heard the news, but the San Francisco 49'ers are thinking about offering Condoleeza Rice a high profile job with their organization.

We are still a divided country, Jack?

In that context MD yes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164196

Anselm, we will all pay higher taxes to pay off the $10 trillion repug spending spree. Most of it when into rich repug's pockets. Repugs broke it, just like they did in the 1930s, and Democrats will have to clean up behind them, just like they did in the 1930s.

Didn't you get the memo? The GOP has neutered itself, rendered itself impotent. With 28 years of fiscal policy aimed at plundering a nation, and seemingly so an entire world, the only plank left in the party platform is that old favorite fear and hate. The GOP wrecked an entire world's economy. Imagine that. Now, get off the planet!

We still need a gallows on the national mall. March every one of these repug criminals up it and let them dance on a short rope.

Christian right steps up attacks on Obama
Conservative activists escalate 'doom and gloom' rhetoric as Nov. 4 nears

By Eric Gorski and Rachel Zoll
AP Religion Writers
The Associated Press
October 25, 2008

(with an additional comic relief ending tagged on)

http://eurotom.blogspot.com/

If the 49'ers think hiring Condi-liar is going to get them a new stadium - it could explain a lot about the Yorks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Condoleezza-Rice-up-for-front-office-position-wi;_ylt=An6WyckRj65n8bILLA1uWIiX2bYF?urn=nfl,117401

ROFL! Patsi!

Released: October 26, 2008

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 49.4%, McCain 44.1%

McCain gains as race continues to tighten
There is no question that this race continues to tighten and that McCain is finding his message again,” said Pollster John Zogby. “It is after all about the economy and that is how McCain tightened it up the last time. I have said over and over again, when he focuses on extraneous issues, he screws up. In today's single day of polling, it was 49% to 46% in favor of Obama. McCain has moved his own numbers each of the three days and Obama has gone down from 54% to 50% to 49%. I have alluded before to this strange, magnetic pull that brings Obama down to 48% or 49%, a danger zone for him. McCain's gains are among white voters, where he now leads by 12 points, and with men, where he again has a healthy lead. There is still a lot of campaign to go. A lot of campaign to go.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1611

Talk about fantasy football --Condi Rice -the head of the Players Union. Not gonna happen.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1611

I was just reading about the Zogby poll. Thoughts ?

What will the last news cycle be?

Will it start in Orlando mid week when big dog and Obama show up?

Craig - can you get me and my daugther a ticket?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164199

We are, but the question is how are we divided. IMO it is not simplistic nor are the ways to unite us.

Jack

Patsi -- That was classic !!!

But Brain did get off the hook as he did register using the ACORN model in several other locations and showed he voted early and often

"That's fine and all, except when I realized that one day I'll be an old white man."

Corey, if you think that's bad, consider this: When you are, I won't.

The Polls - Zogby's Sunday Talk Play
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 08:55:58 AM EST

The only thing worth mentioning today in the polling is the laughs we get watching John Zogby's attempts to get mentioned on the Sunday Talk shows. As I have declared for years now, John Zogby is a clown, not a pollster. His guiding priniciple as a "pollster" is to come up with the result that is most likely to get him publicity. He does not fail us this morning as he has a big move for McCain. It will be interesting to see who besides Fox bites.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/26/95558/327

Thanks Katherine... Now I am really back to bed...

Later all

Corey, KGC

She has pictures, it is the only explaination. Poppy Bush has friends and he will bail jr. out one more time.

Jack

McCain is a coward because he doesn't have the balls to tell Obama to his face he's a socialist or a communist like he insinuates at his and Palin's rally's.

He also betrayed the troops, his brothers and sisters in uniform when he didn't speak out against Bush's signing statement on the torture bill that basically said he would ignore the law and do as he wanted to.

McCain also voted against a bill that would have outlawed civilian agencies from interrogating prisoners in our custody or using torture on them.

Now I wonder if he also didn't betray his brothers in uniform when he was a prisoner and made propaganda tapes for the enemy during his imprisonment in Vietnam.

But then like I said he's a coward.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-palin-orlando-102608,0,4179515.story

Do we need some attention down here....

A person calling himself Anon calling someone a coward, see what I mean champ? Irony is dead.

Jack

I wonder if anyone has the balls to ask McCain if he's a Fascist since he's supported corporations ever since he's been in office.

Or would that be out of line since it appears that it was not out of line to ask Joe Biden if Obama was a Marxist.

Also how is Joe Biden an elitist since his net worth is slightly under two hundred thousand and the McCains is well over one hundred million and Palin's is over a million.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164218

Ping pong

I hope you know the back roads. they are going to have all the roads blocked off for official travel in your neck of the woods

Jack

Cory

I can't remember who it was but it was a national figure , who said about the 2 candidates, in almost everything that mattered to him both of the candidates would be a welcome change to what is going on now. That is what I've noticed. All the rest is just an individuals opinion on which one they believe will be the best.

Jack

AP - Hope you are doing well.
McCain would love a softball question like that.... Corp have created both the innovations and jobs that make our global economy happen

Corey

Sometime things take us quick. Back about the time your friend graduated HS, a friend of mine found out I was back visiting my mom. He stopped by and wanted to scrounge through my junkyard for some motorcycle parts. we talked for an hour of so and he went on his way. A month or so later I was down and saw his sister. It turned out that Jim was dead. He had been treated for ulcers when he had liver cancer. by the time he got to a real doctor all they could do is send him home where he died 3 weeks later.

Kinda makes you do a wtf at the time

Jack

Jack -
I got the back roads of downtown covered.

And by the way - it is getting into the great time to live here in Orlando. The weather is wonderful, the downtown is coming alive.

Craig have to get you out of the BHill area next time you come to town.

Going to watch SPORTS UCF and also RAYS

You should listen to some of the Obot callers to radio shows. They must be the most clueless people on the planet.

An example of the power of MSM to manipulate public opinion.

You never know when things will happen. "That One" drew 100, 000 at his rally? Impressive!

Wow GORDO, For a while there I thought maybe you were a 'bot, but I guess I wrong. You didn't say anything about O's birth certificate. Do you have any thing in the works? I like stuff about Wackehutt and Blackwater if you have any good links for that.

"Craig your thread is also wrong on the facts, "

Makes me wonder why you waste your precious time here, Brain.

From TD Blog
-------------------
"Now some people claim that if Obama is declared Ineligible by the Courts under Article II there will be serious Civil Disorder, “worse than South Central LA”, and they could be right. After all, there are those who will try to whip up that kind of Disorder.

I don’t say it will happen but it could and it has. In 1861 they didn’t have gunship helicopters, or 6,000 rpm rotary cannon, etc, etc. What can a gunship do to an urban neighborhood? I know the answer, if you don’t, you don’t want to. Remember, if it happens, either way around, it was Barack Hussein Obama II and the DNC who caused it."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/can-you-say-reconstruction/

OSH---

something has been bothering me about that rice recipe----i forgot to mention to put in half a can of the corn and half of the peas when you put in the water. now it's complete.

Rosie, the parents of the leader of Blackwater were the original owners of the place I work at. His Father, Ed Prince, died 6-7 months before I started at Prince Corp. The Prince family were great owners. They really cared about their employees. We had lots of perks when we worked for them. Free lunches and donuts every Saturday. By free lunches, I mean, pizza, stromboli, lasagna, sandwiches etc... When Mrs. Prince sold the company to Johnson Controls she gave all of us employees a big check as well. If I remember right, my check from her was for over $1,100. It was after Mrs. Prince sold the company that things started going downhill. We went from being a private company to being a public company. We now had stockholders to worry about. By the way, when Mr. Prince died, his son Erik took the money he received and started Blackwater.

SolatCrete, do you have a good recipe for mango salsa? I had a friend that made that for me a couple of times, but alas, she has flown away. So if you do, may I have it? Please?

Obama's authenicated Birth Certificate is on the Obama "Fight the Smears" website if anyone cares to see it.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Example of logic according to GORDO:
God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is blind
Ergo, Stevie Wonder is God

http://www.jem-music.net/home/blog.php

Rosie, scroll down through the middle of the page until you hit the August 8th post. This singer seems to think Stevie Wonder is God.

"Yo semi-redskin, you got the tazor fully charged up? It's going to be one of those nights."

Good to see you are in full violence mode.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164233

Patsi

That reminds me
Did you hear about the historian that proved Homer didn't write the Iliad?

Seems it was written by some other Greek, with the same name

Jack

Oh gawd, you hitting the cheap gin again.

Rosie

I don't but will see if i can get one for you, i never even tasted one made from mangos.

Oh that's right Patsi, I forgot you're into T-Bird ,or was it wild I. lol

INTERVIEW WITH GOD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap46wThyBnA

Corey-That was....hmmm, weird. It was almost like reading soft porn. Any way, thanks and thanks for the info on Blackwater.
Solar-if you EVER have a chance to try it, do. It's very yummy!

I am a 53 year old AA women, who has always been a Democrat. But, not this year, I can not and will not vote for the candidate, that The DNC picked to be it's nominee. I am so sick of Obama supporter's crying about how negative the McCain\Palin ticket is. Well, let me tell you something. I was and still am a proud supporter, of HRC,the way Obama supporters, and CNN, and MSNBC talked about her was a disgrace. And Obama, and The DNC, did nothing about it. Now they are talking about Gov. Palin, with the same hate. Iwill be voting for McCain\Palin, for the following reasons.1) The DNC, does not own my vote. 2) Obama, is very inexperienced. 3) Obama, is a sexist and a racist. 4) He has already gone back on promises he made . But, people are to stupid to realize this. He agreed with McCain, on campaign funding, but changed his mind. He said he would vote against F.I.S.A., but he voted for it. He said people would get tax refunds from the Gov., but when pushed about people who don't work and don't pay taxes getting refunds, he changed his mind again and said well you have to work to get it. This man lies to you, and you are to stupid to see it. . All of you calling him a black President, are wrong skin tone does not make you Black, Hell blacks didn't even think he was Black enough. And for any man to tell you he's for everybody,and then let the racist and sexist remarks come from his campaign, is just as bad as anyone else. And the fifth, and final reason I won't vote for him, is because his supporters called me ever name in the book, because I supported HRC, and not him. I can not vote for someone, who is going to set back race problems another fifty years, because people think they are owed a Black President.

lol

Life in jr high, some folks never grow up.

Jack

Lampe

Relax, it is a done deal. Jesus Himself couldn't get elected on the republican ticket after the economic world collapsed around them.
So what if Obama turns out to be daffy duck. He is ours we gotta love him.

Jack

I thought the Deists died out in favor of a much more "involved" God. And that evangelical God gets into everything!

Obama Adviser, Axelrod, Fills a Role That Exceeds His Title

lol
Now that is news.

Jack

Jack

Are you playing around or did you not know that there were probably several "Homers" relaying ancient stories

http://www.online-literature.com/homer/

Rosie

Depends on the evangelical I suspect.

Jack

politically pissed wrote:
Sturgeone; 9:23 from an earlier thread............. "any system that relys on humans is doomed", human nature, ain't it a bitch. Quoting Donna Bazile however, is beneath you, she's probably the least credible there is........... Later Sturge................................................

the line was what I liked, no matter who said it.....but it happened to be Donna Brazille so I gave her the credit.

Sarah Palin: All dressed up and no where to go.

It's a great line.

"You are a strange person, Rez."

Dang Patsi, can't a person join in on the unPC conversation around here? I wasn't being as mean and nasty as it can get here.

Jamie

Yes it was a joke.
But I'm not surprised that the works attributed to "Homer" may have had more than one author. Different times do different ways
Michael Angelo didn't do all of his paintings. He had a large shop with many Journeymen and apprentices helping.

Jack

and there are rumored to have been 5 or 6 Moseses.

But only one Charlton Heston

My all-time favorite SNL moment when was a 20 year-old Eddie Murphy asked James Coburn for advice on how to get the bartender to serve him alcohol at the show afterparty. James Coburn said, "It's simple. You just say to the bartender, "I'd like a beer." Eddie Murphy said, "I don't drink beer." James Coburn asked him, "What do you drink?" "Thunderbird." replied Eddie. The scene ended with Eddie finally saying, "Give me some Thunderbird....dammit!"

i really don't want to relax, as you say. If Obama wins, your cankiss your asses good-bye. Biden, already told you he is going to be tested, and we are not going to like the way he handles it. I'd say it's pretty bad when your number 2 man you are going to suck, even before you really suck.

The real Moses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyEcMG5bDs

Anybody watching D. L. Hughley Breaks the news? It is funny.

Rezdog ------------

Thanks for your 9:27 post. I know what you are doing, but that's OK -- just gives me another reason to say:

If SoetorObama had an authentic COLB, he would not just post an image on a web site. The reason the public can only see an image is because he does not have an authentic hardcopy, What you see on the FTS site and two others is a photoshopped image.

A COLB is not enough -- we need to see a certified hardcopy BC.
================

Phil Berg will be on the Bill Cunningham radio show -- it's on now.

The problem is Lampe what can you do about it?
I got to be honest ther is no way I can kiss my ass anymore, too much Arthor itis to have that much flex. So I'll just have to hunker down and ride out the storm.

Got any good survival ideas or recipes for surviving the coming storm?

Jack

Why not invest in a bomb shelter? I'm sure some here would do that if McCain were to somehow win.

Anyone catch Joy Behar on Larry King, she cuts through the crap real quick.

To paraphrase:

I getting tired of this "Joe the Plumber" deal!

First, he's not a licensed plumber,Second, the Obama tax plan will help him. and lastly, his name really isn't even Joe. LOL

country boy can survive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

New Gallup poll shows 75% of U.S. Jews plan to vote Obama

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031176.html

Well your choices maybe as follows. A Jesus Freak, as you call her, or Satan Himself .

i always now where i stand with satan---a jesus freak is more scary.

LOL@SolarCrete

"Gateway Pundit avers that Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times confirmed to him in a telephone call that his newspaper has a videotape of Barack Obama at an event with Rashid Khalidi at which Israel-bashing takes place.According to Wallsten the evening not surprisingly turned into a classic Jew-bash:

"During the dinner a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, "then you will never see a day of peace." One speaker likened "Zionist settlers on the West Bank" to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been "blinded by ideology."

Barack Obama also praised the former PLO operative during the event.

So the public will be denied access to this information that could damage Obama."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/the_public_must_never_see_this.html

It's all well and good to TALK about a video tape, but I didn't see no video tape.

The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYYXaEQsAfA

"Palin pushes McCain staff aside as blame game begins"

"“She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone,” said this McCain adviser. “She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family, or anyone else.”

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/26/palin-pushes-mccain-staff-aside-as-blame-game-begins/

*hee-hee*

tt

Solar

I not a feared of either one.

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil for I'm the meanest mother in the whole damned valley

Jack

Gordo,

Good Luck with that!

J McCain is proof that there is no devil,he tried to sell his soul to him????

Obama is proof that here is a devil, the devil bought his?????

Im confused.

Psst Solar. I think she's actually GORDO's angry black female persona.

Jack -------im with you in that dark valley-------just a little bit behind you,,,,,,,you go ahead,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,immmmmm still he----re.

Solar

Politicians souls are cheap, it's a buyers market. I believe it is running 10 to 1. That is 10 politician souls for one pimps.

Jack

You know that is another thing---a frikin snake with an apple that talks-------i wish i had one of those talkin snakes could make a lot of $.

Solar the reason McCain can't sell his soul is he doesn't have one.
Which brings up the question, where did Obama find the soul he sold?

Jack

Now rosie----im not on the juice

*blowing kisses*

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor

"... the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, ... .

The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

Jack you are good------u solved that one in real fast time

sorry if i offended anyone with all this talk but,

the devil made me do it------night

Solar

Mondays a work day, I didn't win the lottery so it is an early up and attem.

mañana mi amigo

Jack

Solar- Got that change. .Thanks. Poor Jamie, I did that to her twice today.

"the source told WND confidentially"

G Man,

Corci's book sales must be flat

G Man, give us a logical explanation for this if you think he was born elsewhere:

WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

Hey Mudcat, How bout those mountaineers' sense of humor!

On Wednesday, Milbank, to his "surprise," found an estimated 12,000 people lined up to participate in a rally at the Richmond Coliseum for Senator Obama, "the leader of anti-America America."

"You guys are at an Obama rally," he told four young adult attendees, "so you're probably anti-America."

"We're probably communists," responds one. "I'm a terrorist," his counterpart asserts. A third concurs, and the three share a celebratory "fist bump."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/22/AR2008102203511_2.html?hpid=opinionsbox1%C3%A2%C2%8A%C2%82=AR%E2%8A%82=AR

Lame Gordo Lame

"The parents, grandparents or who ever had that listed in the newspaper. Happens all the time. Doesn't mean he was born in Hawaii."

Maybe as news piece but not under a vital stat column.

Sorry, Virginia Hokies or Cavaliers :-)

Hey Mudcat & Pogo,

How bout those Hokies/Cavs sense of humor!

On Wednesday, Milbank, to his "surprise," found an estimated 12,000 people lined up to participate in a rally at the Richmond Coliseum for Senator Obama, "the leader of anti-America America."

"You guys are at an Obama rally," he told four young adult attendees, "so you're probably anti-America."

"We're probably communists," responds one. "I'm a terrorist," his counterpart asserts. A third concurs, and the three share a celebratory "fist bump."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/22/AR2008102203511_2.html?hpid=opinionsbox1%C3%A2%C2%8A%C2%82=AR%E2%8A%82=AR

Rezdog--------------

If he has a Hawaiian BC, then the vital stats office could provide the info to the newspaper. That is correct about Hawaii giving out of state /country births a BC. Lost the link, I'll look for it.

Craig,

Don't know who was first but Dana's got his Vblog going.

The real Virginia

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/10/23/VI2008102300700.html

Gordo,
The newspaper gathers that info from the gov. sources, not from parents etc.

Rezdog-------------

Read what I wrote about the BCs being issued to children not born in Hawaii or the US. I'm looking for the link. I'll find it - give me time.

Rezdog-------------

From TD blog
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“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”

So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/

Gordo,

Forget about BCs and COLBs. I'm a logical mind. Most of the time I have no independent knowledge about a lot of things, however I can reason things out. This is one of those times.

Just given the fact that the local Honolulu newspaper, the paper of record, published a notice in their vital stats section notifying his birth goes a long a way with me. Much more than most others explanations you could provide.

These papers gather their information about births, deaths, marriages, divorces, etc.from local government sources which in turn gets that info thru the normal legal informational channels, and not from private individuals unless of course the notices are either a paid piece or of important local news.

Unless there is an extreme example, they do not scour the world for news (stats) of local interest. And given it was 1961 and the pace that information moved makes the possibility of that HI newspaper reporting on the birth of someone elsewhere in the world really non-existent.

So given that and only that I would have to rationally conclude that he was born there in HI despite anything you could say.

Now on to the next mole!

Your link:

"WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

Rezdog -------------

That newspaper info is NOT new. Been known for months. The Obots try to say it proves HI birth. It does not.

Did you read about"[ §338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State"?

The pieces of the puzzle are being found and a picture is forming.

Know why I've been mentioning Mercer Island, WA?

Rezdog --------------

Have you suddenly developed a reading comprehension problem because you don't like what you are reading?

Connect the dots.

SoetorObama was born in Kenya. Stanley Ann flew back to HI. The birth was registered ([ §338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State) in HI and baby Barry had a HI certificate. The announcement was placed in the newspaper by whoever does that in HI.

Good morning from sunny, though very cold, Amsterdam!

Quote:
"It's a sad state of affairs when a race gets so lopsided that only the candidate who probably won't win bothers to answer tough media questions." End quote

I would say Craig: prepare for president Barrack Obama and the way the presidency will be run!.... This is a sneek peak at what our next four years will be..... Enjoy :-). If he doesn´t care to answer now;one guess what he will do once he takes the oath at january 20th...

Craig, when are we going to have our little poll here?
Who will vote for who....... I think it is exciting....(-:

I can not vote for someone, who is going to set back race problems another fifty years, because people think they are owed a Black President.

Posted by: Lampe | October 26, 2008 9:50 PM

This is a very touchy remark.
But I have to say that there is a small legion of AA´s that are very staunch against BO, the way he used his heritage and used the race card.... But anyway, we´ll see once he is elected how it will pan out.

Lampe, I feel u, but would want to urge you, not to vote......instead of voting for McCain/Palin. The reasons not to vote for the republican ticket are numerous....

Jason is right, Lampe. Don't cast a vote for McCain, please. Vote for Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente.